June 8, 9

[Katprint]

Isnt there a plant that smells like human decomp (saw it on csi, so it must be true~LOL)

JB will probably say that kc bought that plant and left it in her trunk.

jmo
I assume you are joking. Sometimes it's difficult to tell when people are being sarcastic because their tone of voice does not come across in their writing.

If I were Baez, I would not want to introduce yet another invisible, never-seen-by-anyone-but-Casey, no-receipts-showing-payment, cannot-be-found-now piece of evidence. The invisi-nanny (and her long-vacant apartment, her pretend sibling, etc.), the un-job, the pretend cell phone with the invisi-nanny's phone number that Casey left on her desk at her un-job, and all the rest of that is enough already! WHERE did Casey get that plant? WHEN did she? WHY did she i.e. What was she going to do with it? Where was she going to put it? HOW did she i.e. how did she pay for it with no job and no money? None of the stolen checks or credit cards show such a purchase.

Seriously, I think spilled spoiled milk - or spoiled meat juice from a leaky meat package in a grocery bag or some other spoiled stinky food cleaned up with multiple cleaning products that combined to make chloroform compounds - is a better story. Especially since there is already a witness (TonE) that Casey was stealing groceries from her parents' refrigerator and transporting them in her car so that provides an additional explanation why things might not be completely sealed like they should be.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[saywhat04]

What an insult to the jurors intelligence if they present a defense like this! Car "smelled like a dam dead body" according to Cindy, cadaver dogs hit on the trunk and Caylee is dead.

The defense is going to have to be really careful that they don't completely "turn off" the jury during this trial.

I agree. I don't like to have my intelligence insulted, while on jury duty or any other time. :glare:

[Sandy001]

Lavinia! - Well by golly, that sums it up very nicely. IF (and it will never happen) she was somehow by acquitted, she could never go back to her old circle of friends.


imo that wouldn't bother her at all. There are plenty of other party people she would and could connect with. Friends, family, etc. are not important to her unless SHE benefits from them.

I see no evidence of her EVER having any really long-term friends anyway.

[saywhat04]

Yep and don't forget the Marine stationed in 29 Palms.

Casey appeared to have just one talent or skill -- hooking men. She treated it like a job ... like a hobby ... like a leisure time activity. Seems she did the one thing she was proficient at, 24/7.

[saywhat04]

In my mean little world, I want that car inside the courtroom. I want Casey and Co. to enjoy the results of her endeavors. I want her to have to wear that smell back to the jail each day and Baez to have to wear it home each night. I'm feeling very mean today. :sneaky:

Oooh, but I like it. Let the entire courtroom, including G&C, sit in that smell for a day. Yep. Very effective, imo.

(Of course, if a few of us here actually do make it to Or Lawn Doe for the trial, I'm not so sure I like your idea so much ...)

[Sandy001]

I see t-shirt opportunities!!! :drool: Be careful, be very careful. I see Cindy suing ,since only CINDY is allowed to make money off the death of her grandchild (as if money could replace a child's life.)

[Sandy001]

OMG! A set of five checks maybe? Numbers 141-146?

I wanna visit Fusian, and eat some of the great sushi! Not sure, but I heard Fusians went out of business. See what Casey has single-handedly done for Florida?

[Sandy001]

Well I'd prefer eating crab cakes to rattlesnake steak, definitely.

So -- what are the featured menus for the Amscot Gal, and the Tow Truck Guy, and the Blockbuster Boy?

Remember that hors'd'oeuvres are already handled -- pork rinds, poptarts (isn't she just :sneaky:), so plan accordingly Complimentary clothes pins for the noses will be given to all.

[ish]

I don't think that Casey thinks, feels, or processes things quite the same way that normal people do. Casey is going to say that anyone could have done anything to the car after Jun 27th. Casey will maintain that Jesse or Zanny was out to frame her. Just wait and see. The action in the courtroom may get quite heated around this issue.

i say pump it thru the vents in her cell, let her live with it the rest of her life. But sadly she drove around that way for days, do you think she was bothered? I don't, she ditched the car so no one else would smell it.

[Sandy001]

Morning Jammies.

I spent time yesterday going through some of Casey's friends statements to LE. Many of Casey's friends from her old group - the Daly brothers, Brittany Schieber, Christ Stutz...all said Casey was a great mom. Several of them attended Caylee's 2nd birthday party and only seen Caylee a few times after the party. The majority of these friends were friendships that began back in high school.

Sometime after Caylee turned 2, Casey started to drift away from this group and moved on to a new group of friends... Ricardo, Troy, Amy. I think it is a pretty normal thing. A lot happens between 18 - 22 years old. Some go off to college, some have children and responsibility... tastes and priorities change.

In the beginning, I think Casey took Caylee with her when she was around her Amy, Ricardo and crew. I think overall this group did not have a problem with Caylee being around.There would be times their outings would not be appropriate for a 2 year old..i.e. bar hopping and Casey would either leave Caylee with Cindy/George or she would have to stay home with Caylee.

Casey then moves on to another new group ... Tone & friends. I think this group did not have a problem with Caylee being around either. I do think they realized the apartment of 2-3 college guys was not an ideal situation for a soon to be 3 year old. Casey must have realized it also because Caylee was only there a few times.

I think Casey was envious of Amy, Ricardo, Troy, Tone and friends' freedom to go and come as they please. I wonder if Cindy was also pushing Casey to accept more responsibility for Caylee i.e. find a sitter because I am not watching her every night, you are her mother so be her mother etc.

As an infant, Caylee would have been easy to haul around - Casey could park her in her infant seat and she would always know where Caylee was. Also, at that age, they do not talk. Soon to be 3 year olds do not park well. In fact, I do not think you can park a soon to be 3 year old...it just goes against their nature. And talk, boy can they talk.

Caylee was becoming a thorn in Casey's side. I think Casey saw Caylee as a barrier. I think a combination of things lead to whatever happened to Caylee, but I think the final straw was when Casey could not go to PR. Could Casey have asked her mom on June 15 to keep Caylee so she could go to PR and Cindy said no?

just thinking out loud and jmo And 3 year olds share information with EVERYONE, too. To me, when George said that Caylee didn't talk about Zanny spoke volumes. Said that there was NO ZANNY.

[ttcRider]

... from Myrtle Beach wearing my new bathing suit.

Is there only a weekly thread for this case since there's not so much news happening right now? Do we know when to expect another doc dump? Have G and C committed any new crimes under cover of darkness since I've been away?

Hi to all my IS friends. :seeya:

Hey mmmmmmm! I just got here myself, trying to catch up. :wub:

[Sandy001]

From what I've seen, some of the Orlando reporters/media are quite good at their jobs. They sure seem to put in lots and lots of hours, just to get the stories. I think that they also have recognized at how inexperienced Baez is, and have got him to talk way, way more than an attorney should ever talk. Baez, himself, went on camera the night of December 11th, and disclosed that Casey had received a sedative.
I would think that Baez's disclosure of the "sedative' was much more a violation of Casey's medical rights than anything that the correctional officers did to her.

[Sandy001]

Wasn't it the State that was in the courtroom late last year, asking the Judge for a Gag Order? And, Baez objected. And, the media objected.

Is Baez now objecting to too much media coverage, simply because it shows his client only in a very, very negative light?

I recall quite clearly, KBelich asking Baez on the night of Dec 11th, if Casey had received a sedative, and Baez opened up HIS BIG MOUTH and said that Casey had received a sedative. ....just because the press asks a question, doesn't really mean that they know it is a fact, but maybe she just simply "tricked" Baez into disclosing this info. Baez sure doesn't seem to like KBelich much. LOL
In the Gospel according to Baez, it's only wrong if it doesn't paint Casey as the perfect, mom, daughter and girl friend. Sorry Jose, you are NOT the law in Florida.

[Sun]

i say pump it thru the vents in her cell, let her live with it the rest of her life. But sadly she drove around that way for days, do you think she was bothered? I don't, she ditched the car so no one else would smell it.

Uh, once you get that odor in your nostrils, you can smell it for days and possibly even weeks. You can shower, scrub, scrub, scrub, put on brand new clothes/shoes, and still smell the odor. It just doesn't go away.

I wouldn't wish this smell on a Jury or anyone in the audience.

[Unleashed]

... from Myrtle Beach wearing my new bathing suit.

Is there only a weekly thread for this case since there's not so much news happening right now? Do we know when to expect another doc dump? Have G and C committed any new crimes under cover of darkness since I've been away?

Hi to all my IS friends. :seeya:

:seeya: Missy, we miss you bad.

No doc dump in sight that I've heard of, and the Ants haven't done anything too ridiculous of late. Except breathing a sigh of relief that they weren't charged for that latest escapade.

Hurry home!

JMO

[Sandy001]

the will call it *junk science*... but mainly they will try to have it suppressed as evidence at trial as new and untested. Baez will whine and whine and whine. I don't even think the prosecution NEEDS the air samples - it's just the icing on the cake. I think they have PLENTY without it. So let Baez whine and whine - just like he is doing with the video. All it does is call more attention to it.

The Judge may very well allow the air sample results into the recored on a limited basis - using it to show the "reasonableness" of the state's investigation. To show that LE was indeed on the right tract in pursuing the case against Casey.
Either way is a win for the prosecution. Wouldn't you love to see Baez whine and whine and whine about the air samples, then have the prosecution NOT enter them into evidence?

[Sandy001]

Could this be a hint? http://www.wesh.com/news/17314603/detail.html

"I have not been given any information about the University of Tennessee or the Body Farm or whatever they are calling themselves nowdays," Baez said. "I don't even know if they have any evidence."

:lol: Guess he doesn't watch the news and he never heard of Patricia Cornwell and her book. Odd that he doesn't know about them considering his employment history with Lexus-Nexus (or whatever they are calling themselves nowdays.

[Katprint]

I would think that Baez's disclosure of the "sedative' was much more a violation of Casey's medical rights than anything that the correctional officers did to her.
Not if Baez had Casey's permission to strategically disclose that information to make her appear more sympathetic. The patient legally controls who is permitted to disclose what information and to whom. A partial voluntary disclosure does not waive all privacy rights.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Sun]

I would think that Baez's disclosure of the "sedative' was much more a violation of Casey's medical rights than anything that the correctional officers did to her.

Or at the very least Casey's right to client/attorney privacy. I was never really all that interested in seeing the jail video, and was quite satisfied with the LE depos of Unser and Richardson describing Casey's reactions. Baez didn't rush to the jail on Nov 13th when the divers were in the Little Econ River and made a find. Baez did rush to the jail though on Dec 11th. hmmmm??? Is Baez's reaction, or lack of, just as important as Casey's?

And, on Nov 14th, DCasey called JHoover and arranged to meet early on Nov 15th to search on Suburban Drive. Did someone get all nervous about the event of LPadilla's on Nov 13th?

[Sandy001]

Seems to me that Baez is uneducated and quite dumb about the way to get things from the FBI. Perhaps he should be deposing some of the State's witnesses, and not just sitting back and expecting the State to drop everything in his lap.Maybe he has never heard of the FBI or whatever they are calling themselves nowdays.

[martha]

anything new happened on this case? I have been gone and am way behind again. gd had to have 4 wisdom teeth out yesterday. I have not been able to watch the news and I can always come here and you sweet posters will keep me up to date. miss you all.jmho

[Sandy001]

Bolding mine ...

How about if whenever someone hits the lever above George or Lee, it dunks Cindy instead? :laugh:

What a GREAT idea. I bet George would LOVE that one.

[Katprint]

Uh, once you get that odor in your nostrils, you can smell it for days and possibly even weeks. You can shower, scrub, scrub, scrub, put on brand new clothes/shoes, and still smell the odor. It just doesn't go away.

I wouldn't wish this smell on a Jury or anyone in the audience.
My mother died (of natural causes) in her home one evening and my brother discovered her body early the next morning. We had to hire a special decontamination-type cleaning team to remove the odor. That was my first experience with human decomp smell, and I only smelled the residual smell after the body had already been removed - probably the same as caused Casey's car to smell. I would never have expected the smell to be so strong after less than 10 hours. OTOH, like Caylee, my mother died in warm summer weather so maybe that makes the moist/smelly part of the decomposition (the deterioration of the mucous membranes IIRC) happen faster.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[saywhat04]

anything new happened on this case? I have been gone and am way behind again. gd had to have 4 wisdom teeth out yesterday. I have not been able to watch the news and I can always come here and you sweet posters will keep me up to date. miss you all.jmho

Nothing new at all, martha, except the Ants won't be charged for their midnight cross-mangling caper last week with the Milsteads.

[Unleashed]

I assume you are joking. Sometimes it's difficult to tell when people are being sarcastic because their tone of voice does not come across in their writing.

If I were Baez, I would not want to introduce yet another invisible, never-seen-by-anyone-but-Casey, no-receipts-showing-payment, cannot-be-found-now piece of evidence. The invisi-nanny (and her long-vacant apartment, her pretend sibling, etc.), the un-job, the pretend cell phone with the invisi-nanny's phone number that Casey left on her desk at her un-job, and all the rest of that is enough already! WHERE did Casey get that plant? WHEN did she? WHY did she i.e. What was she going to do with it? Where was she going to put it? HOW did she i.e. how did she pay for it with no job and no money? None of the stolen checks or credit cards show such a purchase.

Seriously, I think spilled spoiled milk - or spoiled meat juice from a leaky meat package in a grocery bag or some other spoiled stinky food cleaned up with multiple cleaning products that combined to make chloroform compounds - is a better story. Especially since there is already a witness (TonE) that Casey was stealing groceries from her parents' refrigerator and transporting them in her car so that provides an additional explanation why things might not be completely sealed like they should be.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Kat, do they really want to offer yet another theory? Granted, spoiled milk smells terrible, but I don't think it can be compared to the smell of a dead body.

JMO

[Sandy001]

Didn't Baez recently describe KBelich's channel 9 as a "tabloid" tv news channel? Can't recall where I heard that. Baez refers to any new media that doesn't agree with him 100% a "tabloid." I hope he realizes that Channel 9 is NOT a tabloid and he's going to have to deal with the tough questions - if not now, than certainly in court and afterwards. If not, he should resign from the BAR immediately.

[KP1935]

Not if Baez had Casey's permission to strategically disclose that information to make her appear more sympathetic. The patient legally controls who is permitted to disclose what information and to whom. A partial voluntary disclosure does not waive all privacy rights.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Kat,
If he DIDN'T have permission to disclose it, are we looking at an appeallable offense with regards to the bumbling attorney that is Jose Baez? Or would the OC have had to bring up the offense at the time?

[Sandy001]

Yep, roll up the windows, let it sit in a black asphalt parking lot for a couple of weeks and then bring in the jury. jmo Why not just have the manufactured chemicals they use to train cadaver dogs?

[Sandy001]

Hi all!
I always thought that too Des, Casey was looking for a hubby. She was trying to be the "perfect" girlfriend, helping with his business, doing laundry, cleaning and cooking. I often wonder if TonE didn't want any children, or had an issue with raising someone else's child. Who know what he talked to Casey about during those late night phone calls.

I think Casey was looking for a man as a way out of her home. Her domesticity sure scared off Morales quick. If she married, she wouldn't have to work (hopefully) and could continue on with HER life (to hell with HIM)

[Dick Tracy]

They could do a "wave" every time Baez gets up to speak.

You mean the WAVE, that started at the University of Washington! Yeah, I could see that happening.

We could bring this country out of debt, I'm telling you. The Casey Anthony Trial, brought to you by Dentyne, Dannies Pork Rinds, and O2 Bottled Water. God, think of the sponsors!

[Sun]

Why not just have the manufactured chemicals they use to train cadaver dogs?

Is the "scent" used for cadaver dog training, even detectible by the human nose?

[Katprint]

Kat, do they really want to offer yet another theory? Granted, spoiled milk smells terrible, but I don't think it can be compared to the smell of a dead body.

JMO
You bring up a few good points:

1) They will need jurors who never smelled a dead body; and
2) They will need to win a motion in limine precluding unscientific, unquantifiable opinion testimony concerning how dead bodies smell much worse than anything else.

However, they definitely need to come up with a better story for the source of the smell. The odor of old pizza is a matter of common experience like the sound of a baby crying or the taste of Jello chocolate pudding. The jury might well end up viewing Casey's car, which I understand still stinks although presumably not nearly as much now that the carpeting etc. has been removed, and they simply will not believe that the smell could have come from pizza.

By contrast, a story about spoiled milk and/or spoiled meat plus multiple cleaning products might persuade someone who does not have personal experience or otherwise know how much worse human decomposition smells.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Sandy001]

What an insult to the jurors intelligence if they present a defense like this! Car "smelled like a dam dead body" according to Cindy, cadaver dogs hit on the trunk and Caylee is dead.

The defense is going to have to be really careful that they don't completely "turn off" the jury during this trial.

Lee also commented on the awful smell in the car. Cindy later claimed that it was a ruse to get the cops out there. So, toss out Cindy and the dogS. You still have the cops, George, the towyard owner, and Lee. That's a LOT of circumstantial evidence to overcome right there - and that's without Cindy and more than one dog. George even elaborated on it and how he knew what it was. No way Baez can get around that. jmo.

[Sun]

I think Casey was looking for a man as a way out of her home. Her domesticity sure scared off Morales quick. If she married, she wouldn't have to work (hopefully) and could continue on with HER life (to hell with HIM)

Yes, Casey did appear to be "shopping" for a way out of the Anthony home. Ricardo was the stay-at-home-and-party type of guy, rarely took Casey out and showed her off. That wasn't feeding her need for attention, IMO. However, Tony seemed to be a more exciting type of guy, and Casey was already trying out his last name. I think that being with Tony was much more exciting to Casey, and gave her a feeling of superiority/importance. Poor Tony, he had no idea of what liar and thief she really was. Or murderer.

[ish]

Uh, once you get that odor in your nostrils, you can smell it for days and possibly even weeks. You can shower, scrub, scrub, scrub, put on brand new clothes/shoes, and still smell the odor. It just doesn't go away.

I wouldn't wish this smell on a Jury or anyone in the audience.

maybe that's why Casey asked Jesse to use his shower, she could still smell that stink, and wanted to get it off her.

she needed a shower after they found Caylee also, maybe that triggered the sensory memory of that odor and she wanted to cleanse herself of it.

[Sandy001]

Kat,
If he DIDN'T have permission to disclose it, are we looking at an appeallable offense with regards to the bumbling attorney that is Jose Baez? Or would the OC have had to bring up the offense at the time?

I think that they would have to prove that this particular disclosure would have affected the outcome of the trial to get anything overturned. A mistake doesn't necessarily mean that the one mistake made a substantial difference in the trial. And the case would have to a mistrial WITH prejudice - meaning that it couldn't be retried. Otherwise, it would be retried (most likely with a similar outcome. Casey would remain where she was (in jail) until the outcome of a second trial.

[taylor63]

Nothing new at all, martha, except the Ants won't be charged for their midnight cross-mangling caper last week with the Milsteads.

Has law enforcement given a reason as to why they won't be charged?

[Sun]

Lee also commented on the awful smell in the car. Cindy later claimed that it was a ruse to get the cops out there. So, toss out Cindy and the dogS. You still have the cops, George, the towyard owner, and Lee. That's a LOT of circumstantial evidence to overcome right there - and that's without Cindy and more than one dog. George even elaborated on it and how he knew what it was. No way Baez can get around that. jmo.

George and Cindy both lie. With this in mind, has it ever crossed your mind that George might wonder if Cindy is involved in Caylee's death, or that Cindy might wonder if George is involved? With both of them saying that Casey's car smelled of a dead body, they would both be placing the blame for the killing away from each other.

Immediately after Caylee's remains were found, LE required George and Cindy to provide DNA and fingerprints. This leads me to think that LE may have also had suspicions.

[FallenAngel♥]

Could this be a hint? http://www.wesh.com/news/17314603/detail.html

"I have not been given any information about the University of Tennessee or the Body Farm or whatever they are calling themselves nowdays," Baez said. "I don't even know if they have any evidence."

:lol:

omg lol...Baez is a real piece of work. Now he's trying to act like the body farms the bad guys. Does he know how bad this makes him look?

Baez should say the car was stolen but he sure shouldn't fight the science because it will come back and bite him on the rear end.

[ish]

Lee also commented on the awful smell in the car. Cindy later claimed that it was a ruse to get the cops out there. So, toss out Cindy and the dogS. You still have the cops, George, the towyard owner, and Lee. That's a LOT of circumstantial evidence to overcome right there - and that's without Cindy and more than one dog. George even elaborated on it and how he knew what it was. No way Baez can get around that. jmo.

Yes and Casey told him it started around Cindy's Bday (June 5th I think)
Lee knew that was BS cause George would have smelled it when he cleaned the cars. My suspicion is Casey was trying to coincide the date with a day previous to Caylee being missing so that the smell could not be attributed to a dead Caylee. At that time they were under the impression Caylee was last seen alive June 9, so June 5 was a good date to pick. When it was revealed that Caylee was indeed alive on June 15, that worked even better for Casey, but the issue of why George and Cindy never noticed the odor between 6/5 and 6/15 when her car was still at Hopespring Dr is a problem.

[Lavinia]

I was a huge In Living Color fan, and every time I hear the OC use one of her multi-syllable words, I think of the Damon Wayans character, Oswald Bates. :lol:

http://www.ibeatyou.com/competition/e7f71e/best-in-living-color-skit/entry/dabb68/damon-wayans-as-oswald-bates

Yay, a fun blast from the past and the characterization resembelates to the supremeness that which is the spirochete festering OC. :tongueside:

[Katprint]

Kat,
If he DIDN'T have permission to disclose it, are we looking at an appeallable offense with regards to the bumbling attorney that is Jose Baez? Or would the OC have had to bring up the offense at the time?
Since the trial has not yet started, this is the sort of thing that can be weeded out during voir dire of the jury. So it is unlikely to be appealable in that regard. It is solely between Casey and Baez at this point; they are the only ones who know whether permission was given during the attorney-client meetings.

Also, Baez has a good argument that he has implied authority (and probably express authority) to take whatever actions and to disclose whatever information that he decides will benefit Casey's interests. By way of example, generally an attorney has permission to do whatever he feels needs to be done, in his judgment, except sometimes an attorney's retainer agreement will include a clause limiting an attorney's ability to spend more than a certain amount (e.g. $1000, $1500, $2000 or whatever) without prior approval from the client for that expense. So if I send an investigator out to take a witness statement and I expect that will cost $200, I can incur that expense on behalf the client without needing to inform the client in advance. However, if I need to take the deposition of a crucial witness who is in the military and has subsequently been deployed to Afghanistan and that will cost $5,000 then I need to get the client's permission for that. If Casey didn't say, "Don't tell anyone that I received a sedative." and Baez felt it was in Casey's best interests to reveal this to make her appear more sympathetic to the public, rather than someone uncaring that her child's remains had been discovered instead of an alive child being located, then he is probably OK from a legal ethics point of view.

By contrast, the jail staff does not have any legal right to disclose anything about Casey's medical condition to anyone and particularly not to law enforcement (as opposed to maybe disclosing it to a 9-1-1 operator if Casey was having some sort of medical emergency that could not be handled by the jail's medical clinic.)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Sandy001]

Is the "scent" used for cadaver dog training, even detectible by the human nose? I remember reading that cadaver dogs are trained for the smells of the two chemicals that are produced by the decomposition of HUMAN flesh - putricene and cadaverene. I am not positive on the spelling but my understanding is that those two chemicals can be manufactured. I should have bookmarked it, but I didn't.

[martha]

Nothing new at all, martha, except the Ants won't be charged for their midnight cross-mangling caper last week with the Milsteads.Boy the a;s can get away with anything they do. I am sure casey has got away with so very much until she thinks she will get away with this. I have no way of knowing what really happened to Caylee but i do want justice for her. I will always believe the an;s knew from the day they got the car that Caylee was dead. The only one we know of being with her is casey so I am just praying for justice for Caylee. It looks like it will be a long time before a trial. casey is in jail and that is where she needs to be.jmho

[ish]

Baez will whine and whine and whine. I don't even think the prosecution NEEDS the air samples - it's just the icing on the cake. I think they have PLENTY without it. So let Baez whine and whine - just like he is doing with the video. All it does is call more attention to it.

The Judge may very well allow the air sample results into the recored on a limited basis - using it to show the "reasonableness" of the state's investigation. To show that LE was indeed on the right tract in pursuing the case against Casey.
Either way is a win for the prosecution. Wouldn't you love to see Baez whine and whine and whine about the air samples, then have the prosecution NOT enter them into evidence?

I think we should all be thankful that Jose chose his career as a Defense Attorney, can you imagine if he were a prosecutor!!!

[Sun]

maybe that's why Casey asked Jesse to use his shower, she could still smell that stink, and wanted to get it off her.

she needed a shower after they found Caylee also, maybe that triggered the sensory memory of that odor and she wanted to cleanse herself of it.

EXACTLY!

And, what also comes to mind is George getting sick and throwing up in his interview with LE. (in my mind, George's behavior just leaves me suspicious).

[Lavinia]

I agree. I don't like to have my intelligence insulted, while on jury duty or any other time. :glare:

Yeah, well your Momma dresses your intelligence funny. :tonguewag:

[Dick Tracy]

Lee also commented on the awful smell in the car. Cindy later claimed that it was a ruse to get the cops out there. So, toss out Cindy and the dogS. You still have the cops, George, the towyard owner, and Lee. That's a LOT of circumstantial evidence to overcome right there - and that's without Cindy and more than one dog. George even elaborated on it and how he knew what it was. No way Baez can get around that. jmo.

**bolding

Cindy later claimed she spoke about the smell as a ruse to get LE out to the residence FASTER? This is I didn't now. Is this in an INTERVIEW somewhere? I'd like to read about it.

[ish]

EXACTLY!

And, what also comes to mind is George getting sick and throwing up in his interview with LE. (in my mind, George's behavior just leaves me suspicious).

smelling a dead body would be bad enough to me, knowing that smell is the remains of a loved one... I can't even imagine.

[ish]

**bolding

Cindy later claimed she spoke about the smell as a ruse to get LE out to the residence FASTER? This is I didn't now. Is this in an INTERVIEW somewhere? I'd like to read about it.

I can't remember the specific interviews, but I did hear her say that, it was one of the ones they did early on. may have been mentioned on Larry King also, I will try to find the transcript and let you know.

[Dick Tracy]

EXACTLY!

And, what also comes to mind is George getting sick and throwing up in his interview with LE. (in my mind, George's behavior just leaves me suspicious).

That smell could have gotten into her clothes as well. So she had to ditch her clothes somewhere, you think ? Does that tie in to buying more clothes at Target, to replace some that were in her car?

[Mandymax]

EXACTLY!

And, what also comes to mind is George getting sick and throwing up in his interview with LE. (in my mind, George's behavior just leaves me suspicious).

It always stuck in my mind that because George became ill at the conclusion of his interview, it was more of an "Oh, dear God, my daughter really did kill my granddaughter, it's now sinking in, and I just turned her over to police" reaction rather than having been prompted by any specific thing. Some have speculated that he was shown photos that made him ill, but I don't recall that - I thought it was after everything was wrapped up.

Casey just continues to fascinate me. Think about it - her own family, all her friends, everyone KNEW that she was a master liar. And yet they all still wanted to be around her and clamored for her attention. What was it about her that drew everyone to her even when they knew what she was really like?

As always, my own opinion.

[TunaMelt]

smelling a dead body would be bad enough to me, knowing that smell is the remains of a loved one... I can't even imagine.

And that's a completely reasonable response, ish.

Just knowing that KC drove around with the body in the car, smelling it, having the smell on her, knowing who and what is in the trunk -- that alone is enough to tell me that KC Anthony is only marginally human.

[KP1935]

I think that they would have to prove that this particular disclosure would have affected the outcome of the trial to get anything overturned. A mistake doesn't necessarily mean that the one mistake made a substantial difference in the trial. And the case would have to a mistrial WITH prejudice - meaning that it couldn't be retried. Otherwise, it would be retried (most likely with a similar outcome. Casey would remain where she was (in jail) until the outcome of a second trial.

Thanks. I was just thinking with the way Baez is handling this case, it could just be another of many errors 'ole Jose has against him.

[martha]

And that's a completely reasonable response, ish.

Just knowing that KC drove around with the body in the car, smelling it, having the smell on her, knowing who and what is in the trunk -- that alone is enough to tell me that KC Anthony is only marginally human.
ITA with you I can;t understand how she could have done that. I have not got passed the 31 days yet but then when I think of her driving around with the baby in the trunk knowing she was dead just really tears me up. The first thing most mothers do when a child get hurt is run them to the doc or hospital. What kind of person is casey? I don;t think she can feel real love for anyone. Can g and c and even lee not see that she don;t even love them. She was trying to find a man to take care of her and get out of the house with her mom and dad. She knew she could get one to take care of her but she did not think she could get one that would take care of Caylee. Caylee was in her way of all she planed to do.Oh I just can;t stand to think of this it just breaks my heart. jmho

[KP1935]

Since the trial has not yet started, this is the sort of thing that can be weeded out during voir dire of the jury.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

<snipped for space>

Thanks Kat. I love how you use examples to explain the ins/outs of the process. It makes it much easier to follow.

[Sandy001]

**bolding

Cindy later claimed she spoke about the smell as a ruse to get LE out to the residence FASTER? This is I didn't now. Is this in an INTERVIEW somewhere? I'd like to read about it. I don't have a link (HELP?) but I do recall her saying this when confronted by her original "it smelled like there was a dead body in the damn car" statement. A typical liar's response. Lie some more.

I found this on cadaver dogs "Dogs must be trained as trailing dogs and air-scenting dogs. Trailing dogs follow a scent that has fallen on the ground. These dogs can pick out a human, or in the case of Cadaver dogs, a decomposing human's scent that was carried on a breeze, or "fallen" from a person carrying a body to it's location. Air-scenting is similar to trailing, but an air-scenting dog must be able to pick the scent out of a breeze and follow it to the source.

(If I saved every link I used, my computer would surely crash. Like it's owner, it's seen better days and has a limited amount of memory.)

Special chemicals are used to simulate the scent of decomposing human flesh in training Cadaver dogs. Unlike simulated narcotic smells, or other training scents, simulated cadaver smells are not available to anyone but a certified training facility. "

http://dogs.about.com/cs/searchandrescue/a/cadaver_dogs.htm

IIRC, Cadaver dogs are VERY specialized and have a good success rate.

[Chardonnay]

That smell could have gotten into her clothes as well. So she had to ditch her clothes somewhere, you think ? Does that tie in to buying more clothes at Target, to replace some that were in her car?

Yup, and the grey pants she left in the car, CA washed immediately.

[Sandy001]

It always stuck in my mind that because George became ill at the conclusion of his interview, it was more of an "Oh, dear God, my daughter really did kill my granddaughter, it's now sinking in, and I just turned her over to police" reaction rather than having been prompted by any specific thing. Some have speculated that he was shown photos that made him ill, but I don't recall that - I thought it was after everything was wrapped up.

Casey just continues to fascinate me. Think about it - her own family, all her friends, everyone KNEW that she was a master liar. And yet they all still wanted to be around her and clamored for her attention. What was it about her that drew everyone to her even when they knew what she was really like?

As always, my own opinion.Maybe it was her fearless abandon...lol. Of course, prior to this disappearance of Caylee, it was just things done in very bad taste (moo) and nothing illegal. But then, again moo, she crossed that line.

[5boxersmom]

Hi everyone.

Are we ever going to get more docs? :biggrin:

[Sun]

Originally Posted by ish
smelling a dead body would be bad enough to me, knowing that smell is the remains of a loved one... I can't even imagine

Yes, George reacting physically ill to a memory is what I thought his reaction was.

[Sandy001]

Thanks. I was just thinking with the way Baez is handling this case, it could just be another of many errors 'ole Jose has against him. So far, I can't see any of his errors being enough to overturn a trial. His judgment however, is very poor, and leave me to believe that he has more vested in this case than "the case of his career." My reasoning for those thoughts are simply his poor judgment. He isn't just operating (moo) with the best interest of his client. If that were his true motivation, he would be SCREAMING accident. He is much too involved with his client in some manner imo.

He sounds more like a client defending himself, than a paid, "trained" legal mind. Again moo.

[Sandy001]

Hi everyone.

Are we ever going to get more docs? :biggrin: Of course we are. But Baez has to be given them first I think.

[ish]

And that's a completely reasonable response, ish.

Just knowing that KC drove around with the body in the car, smelling it, having the smell on her, knowing who and what is in the trunk -- that alone is enough to tell me that KC Anthony is only marginally human.


she tells her friend its a dead squirrel plastered to the frame of her car..nice respect for her daughter,,, and Cindy decides her grand daughter's remains stink like rotted pizza. Lee laughs when recalling how his dad had to drive home with the windows down and his head hanging out in order to bear the smell that now permeates the family garage.

George does muster the decency to vomit on recalling the stench his grand daughter's remains left in the car. on the whole a real nice bunch of people.

[breezie]

Of course we are. But Baez has to be given them first I think.

But do we have to wait until he understandsthem!? :thumbdown:

[ish]

I don't have a link (HELP?) but I do recall her saying this when confronted by her original "it smelled like there was a dead body in the damn car" statement. A typical liar's response. Lie some more.

I found this on cadaver dogs "Dogs must be trained as trailing dogs and air-scenting dogs. Trailing dogs follow a scent that has fallen on the ground. These dogs can pick out a human, or in the case of Cadaver dogs, a decomposing human's scent that was carried on a breeze, or "fallen" from a person carrying a body to it's location. Air-scenting is similar to trailing, but an air-scenting dog must be able to pick the scent out of a breeze and follow it to the source.

(If I saved every link I used, my computer would surely crash. Like it's owner, it's seen better days and has a limited amount of memory.)

Special chemicals are used to simulate the scent of decomposing human flesh in training Cadaver dogs. Unlike simulated narcotic smells, or other training scents, simulated cadaver smells are not available to anyone but a certified training facility. "

http://dogs.about.com/cs/searchandrescue/a/cadaver_dogs.htm

IIRC, Cadaver dogs are VERY specialized and have a good success rate.

I can't remember exactly where she made that statement but I recall it was made. She was explaining that she just said "whatever she had to to get them there quicker"

[ish]

I don't have a link (HELP?) but I do recall her saying this when confronted by her original "it smelled like there was a dead body in the damn car" statement. A typical liar's response. Lie some more.

I found this on cadaver dogs "Dogs must be trained as trailing dogs and air-scenting dogs. Trailing dogs follow a scent that has fallen on the ground. These dogs can pick out a human, or in the case of Cadaver dogs, a decomposing human's scent that was carried on a breeze, or "fallen" from a person carrying a body to it's location. Air-scenting is similar to trailing, but an air-scenting dog must be able to pick the scent out of a breeze and follow it to the source.

(If I saved every link I used, my computer would surely crash. Like it's owner, it's seen better days and has a limited amount of memory.)

Special chemicals are used to simulate the scent of decomposing human flesh in training Cadaver dogs. Unlike simulated narcotic smells, or other training scents, simulated cadaver smells are not available to anyone but a certified training facility. "

http://dogs.about.com/cs/searchandrescue/a/cadaver_dogs.htm

IIRC, Cadaver dogs are VERY specialized and have a good success rate.

oh boy I can hear it now, Baez will say some one put those chemicals on Casey's car to frame her. Jesse was a sheriff's officer, did he have any contacts to the K9 squad. Henry Lee will make much of this!!!!

[nanieliz]

[QUOTE=desmom;13177464]One year ago today......June 8, 2008

Casey and Caylee leave Ricardo’s apartment late morning after spending the night. Ricardo talked to Casey later in the day. She was at home. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement


Thanks Desmom,Every day i think..we're one day closer. I wonder if any of the A's are as effected. Actually someone should send a daily reminder like this to CA,just so she knows what PRP was doing every day,leading up to,that day,and the days following. When it's wrote out in front of you it's more powerful I think.


NanieLiz

[coffee1950j]

But do we have to wait until he understandsthem!? :thumbdown:

IMO, not enough time in eternity for that!

[crimeq]

I was just looking at those pics. http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19105250/detail.html

pics #20 - 23

Toddler tantrums: hitting, biting -- maybe this is why Casey was looking up "self-defense" on the computer :lol:

[crimeq]

Hi all!
I always thought that too Des, Casey was looking for a hubby. She was trying to be the "perfect" girlfriend, helping with his business, doing laundry, cleaning and cooking. I often wonder if TonE didn't want any children, or had an issue with raising someone else's child. Who know what he talked to Casey about during those late night phone calls.

Yes, that was Casey's perfect way out of the house, IMO. Move out from mommy&daddy's and in with hubby.

[Unleashed]

Yes, George reacting physically ill to a memory is what I thought his reaction was.

I had thought it was some of the raunchy photos. :confused:


JMO

[Lavinia]

But do we have to wait until he understandsthem!? :thumbdown:

Tick-tock, tick-tock...:read:

[ish]

Toddler tantrums: hitting, biting -- maybe this is why Casey was looking up "self-defense" on the computer :lol:

well she did say Caylee was almost as big as she is. Casey loves to remark on how little she is.

[breezie]

well she did say Caylee was almost as big as she is. Casey LOVED to remark on how little she is.

<My change in bold>

PRP (Pork Rind Princess) ain't so little anymore!

[Sun]

well she did say Caylee was almost as big as she is. Casey loves to remark on how little she is.

And, Casey tries to cram herself into clothes that are 2-3 size too small for her too!

[seeing_eye]

But do we have to wait until he understandsthem!? :thumbdown:

Or even till he reads them?? :scared:

[Unleashed]

Or even till he reads them?? :scared:

Got a link that says he can read?


JMO

[farrahrani]

It always stuck in my mind that because George became ill at the conclusion of his interview, it was more of an "Oh, dear God, my daughter really did kill my granddaughter, it's now sinking in, and I just turned her over to police" reaction rather than having been prompted by any specific thing. Some have speculated that he was shown photos that made him ill, but I don't recall that - I thought it was after everything was wrapped up.

Casey just continues to fascinate me. Think about it - her own family, all her friends, everyone KNEW that she was a master liar. And yet they all still wanted to be around her and clamored for her attention. What was it about her that drew everyone to her even when they knew what she was really like?

As always, my own opinion.

Bolding is mine.

I somehow don't think that anyone was 'clamoring' for her attention. Remember, she had a reputation for being dishonest. I think that all her social visits and invites to parties and whatever were initiated by HER. Someone who texts and has a cell phone bill that huge is not sitting around waiting for it to ring, IMO.

I just think she envied the party lifestyle and gravitated toward TonE's friends and clung to them and tried to immerse herself in it as much as possible. Look at how often she messaged people about parties at Fusian. And at how many people she urged to show up there. It looks more like she was trying to make herself be TonE's personal promoter, and stay on top of that crowd. Even TonE himself had a joke at her expense, telling her he wasn't coming back from New York, hardly the kind of thing someone devoted to his girlfriend would do, even if it was meant as a good humored joke. It just seems that even though Casey viewed people as disposable, (see how easily she switched groups of friends) she was much more eager to contact them, than they her.

IMO

[MissElainyS]

It always stuck in my mind that because George became ill at the conclusion of his interview, it was more of an "Oh, dear God, my daughter really did kill my granddaughter, it's now sinking in, and I just turned her over to police" reaction rather than having been prompted by any specific thing. Some have speculated that he was shown photos that made him ill, but I don't recall that - I thought it was after everything was wrapped up.

Casey just continues to fascinate me. Think about it - her own family, all her friends, everyone KNEW that she was a master liar. And yet they all still wanted to be around her and clamored for her attention. What was it about her that drew everyone to her even when they knew what she was really like?

As always, my own opinion.

I think that the reason why everyone including her own family clamored for her attention was because she fits the profile of a sociopath and they are expert at making people feel guilt or fear, conning or charming people and using whatever weapons available to get what she wanted including using her daughter as a weapon against her mother and father. They were probably on some level very frightened of being cut off from their daughter and then their granddaughter after she was born, if they rocked her boat or upset her in any way. I also think that she used herself as a weapon (as in "I will cut you off if you don't do this or that for me". There are plenty of websites that explain the signs of a sociopath and they all say that sociopaths are expert at manipulation, conning and using guilt or fear tactics are the first three.

I agree with you on the reasoning behind George getting ill during the interview. I think George still gets sick when he allows that thought to creep into his mind.

[crimeq]

That smell could have gotten into her clothes as well. So she had to ditch her clothes somewhere, you think ? Does that tie in to buying more clothes at Target, to replace some that were in her car?

I've wondered about this too, Dick. Casey left her slacks in the car and Cindy washed them. What about the other clothing she was wearing? Why wasn't it all together? If she got rid of blouse, undies, etc., why would she leave the slacks in the car?

[Sandy001]

oh boy I can hear it now, Baez will say some one put those chemicals on Casey's car to frame her. Jesse was a sheriff's officer, did he have any contacts to the K9 squad. Henry Lee will make much of this!!!!I really don't think Henry Lee will have any impact on this case. Don't forget, his expertise is blood spatter and I don't think there's any blood spatter in this case so far. Henry Lee also sold himself to the highest bidder and lost a huge amount of respect because of his behavior in Michael Peterson (spewing ketchup) and his "performance" in Spectr imo.

His so-called "finding" of multiple hairs in the trunk does NOTHING to prove there was no death band on the hair that was submitted for testing. All his finding (if it is legit) shows me is that Caylee was placed in that trunk multiple times BEFORE her murder.

[Unleashed]

I really don't think Henry Lee will have any impact on this case. Don't forget, his expertise is blood spatter and I don't think there's any blood spatter in this case so far. Henry Lee also sold himself to the highest bidder and lost a huge amount of respect because of his behavior in Michael Peterson (spewing ketchup) and his "performance" in Spectr imo.

His so-called "finding" of multiple hairs in the trunk does NOTHING to prove there was no death band on the hair that was submitted for testing. All his finding (if it is legit) shows me is that Caylee was placed in that trunk multiple times BEFORE her murder.

Sandy has it ever been confirmed who the extra hairs he supposedly found belonged to?

[EverMoth]

I've been thinking about Caylee and what she would've been like. I remember always hearing about the terrible twos. I never saw changes at 2 but did note behavior changes at 3. In fact, my middle baby was always such a good baby. She hardly ever cried, was very affectionate. She was just an "easy" baby. Until she turned 3. Suddenly, it was like she was possessed. She would throw these fits with screaming and laying in the floor kicking her feet. I was so scared something was terribly wrong with her. I remember a close friend just laughing at me. It only lasted 4 or 5 months but WOWSERS.

When children go through that phase along with potty training, it can be a very trying time for a mom. You just can't reason with the child. You really have to be very patient. Somehow I don't see Casey having the emotional/behavioral maturity to handle a potty training child experimenting with being independent.

Hi everyone! Been so busy lately haven't had time to read or respond to anything. I'm playing catch up.

This post caught my eye because I have oftened thought the same thing - and Caylee was almost three so she would have been just at the age where that behavior begins. So many times I have had mind forms about Casey shaking Caylee, screaming at her and threatening her. Although we probably will never know for sure, my guess is that she was emotionally and psychologically abusive to the child. Physically too in ways of yanking, dragging her around roughly, etc. Poor little Caylee. :sad:

[EverMoth]

If Baez goes after the car, I think pros should roll that sucker into the courtroom and let the jury figure out if they're smelling decomp or pizza. :sneaky:


LOL! I just got that image very vividly and it made me laugh. Regarding the pizza - iirc, there was no pizza in the box. It was empty - just some grease stains.

[Dick Tracy]

I've wondered about this too, Dick. Casey left her slacks in the car and Cindy washed them. What about the other clothing she was wearing? Why wasn't it all together? If she got rid of blouse, undies, etc., why would she leave the slacks in the car?

Well, the slacks were the last thing George saw her wearing when he claims he saw her leave with Caylee at 12:50pm on the 16th.

Although I don't have much experience with human decomp, and don't want to have any thank you - I would think anything like woven material, or clothing inside the car (if she was using the car for her temporary 2 week wardrobe 16-30 June) would get that smell in them, and she'd have to ditch them.

Cindy claims later it was from pizza.. How much pizza was recovered from the trunk of the car? A whole pie? - ETA Okay no pizza.

[TunaMelt]

I had thought it was some of the raunchy photos. :confused:


JMO

So did I, Unleashed.
There were some really awful photos of his darling daughter that he was shown/saw that nauseated him.

That's my memory of why he got sick....

[EverMoth]

That smell could have gotten into her clothes as well. So she had to ditch her clothes somewhere, you think ? Does that tie in to buying more clothes at Target, to replace some that were in her car?

Didn't Cindy WASH a pair of Casey's pants that were in the car that smelled like decomp? I thought I remembered hearing that. I think as soon as Cindy smelled that smell she "knew", gut level, that Caylee was dead and Casey was involved. I think it was a cover up from then on out. Not calling 911 immediately when noticing the smell and going back to work instead is insane. imo

[TunaMelt]

Bolding is mine.

I somehow don't think that anyone was 'clamoring' for her attention. Remember, she had a reputation for being dishonest. I think that all her social visits and invites to parties and whatever were initiated by HER. Someone who texts and has a cell phone bill that huge is not sitting around waiting for it to ring, IMO.

I just think she envied the party lifestyle and gravitated toward TonE's friends and clung to them and tried to immerse herself in it as much as possible. Look at how often she messaged people about parties at Fusian. And at how many people she urged to show up there. It looks more like she was trying to make herself be TonE's personal promoter, and stay on top of that crowd. Even TonE himself had a joke at her expense, telling her he wasn't coming back from New York, hardly the kind of thing someone devoted to his girlfriend would do, even if it was meant as a good humored joke. It just seems that even though Casey viewed people as disposable, (see how easily she switched groups of friends) she was much more eager to contact them, than they her.

IMO

I agree.

I don't think she was sought out. I think she sought others out.

And when they got tired of her, when she got caught at lying or cheating or stealing, she moved on to another group of people.

I don't think she was Miss Popularity at all. I'd call her a hanger-on kind of person. Someone on the fringes of the group.

[EverMoth]

Well, the slacks were the last thing George saw her wearing when he claims he saw her leave with Caylee at 12:50pm on the 16th.

Although I don't have much experience with human decomp, and don't want to have any thank you - I would think anything like woven material, or clothing inside the car (if she was using the car for her temporary 2 week wardrobe 16-30 June) would get that smell in them, and she'd have to ditch them.

Cindy claims later it was from pizza.. How much pizza was recovered from the trunk of the car? A whole pie? - ETA Okay no pizza.

When my father was still alive he had a male friend named Fran who was a mortician. Occasionally, Fran would call my dad to go on "a run" which meant to go pick up a corpse. He would call my dad for help if it was a particularly difficult one. Dad got the call one day to pick up an old man who had died. He had been dead for over a week. My dad returned from that job and we could all smell it on him. What was worse, he had accidentally touched the corpse's toe and the smell lingered on his hand for two weeks. It was very strong for the first few days. No matter how much my dad showered it wouldn't go away. I guess it just wears off eventually.

[ish]

Sandy has it ever been confirmed who the extra hairs he supposedly found belonged to?

finding extra hairs is nothing unusual, my sister and three nieces stayed with me for three days a few weeks ago, they all have long hair, mine is short. Despite doing laundry, vacuuming, dusting and mopping over the weeks since, I still find the occasional long hair on the sink(even though its been washed multiple times!!) on the kitchen counter etc. I suspect I'll continue to find them sporadically for a while.

[ish]

I agree.

I don't think she was sought out. I think she sought others out.

And when they got tired of her, when she got caught at lying or cheating or stealing, she moved on to another group of people.

I don't think she was Miss Popularity at all. I'd call her a hanger-on kind of person. Someone on the fringes of the group.

you'll notice when she "dropped off the face of the earth for a few weeks" those friends were not so concerned that they bothered to contact her family to see if she and or Caylee were okay. If my good friend and her child suddenly were "unavailable" for a period of time and I was on friendly terms with the parents I think I might contact them just to see of everything is okay, especially if they lived with the parents.

[Unleashed]

you'll notice when she "dropped off the face of the earth for a few weeks" those friends were not so concerned that they bothered to contact her family to see if she and or Caylee were okay. If my good friend and her child suddenly were "unavailable" for a period of time and I was on friendly terms with the parents I think I might contact them just to see of everything is okay, especially if they lived with the parents.

Maybe they were just as glad she wasn't around. Why rock the boat?


JMO

[ish]

Bolding is mine.

I somehow don't think that anyone was 'clamoring' for her attention. Remember, she had a reputation for being dishonest. I think that all her social visits and invites to parties and whatever were initiated by HER. Someone who texts and has a cell phone bill that huge is not sitting around waiting for it to ring, IMO.

I just think she envied the party lifestyle and gravitated toward TonE's friends and clung to them and tried to immerse herself in it as much as possible. Look at how often she messaged people about parties at Fusian. And at how many people she urged to show up there. It looks more like she was trying to make herself be TonE's personal promoter, and stay on top of that crowd. Even TonE himself had a joke at her expense, telling her he wasn't coming back from New York, hardly the kind of thing someone devoted to his girlfriend would do, even if it was meant as a good humored joke. It just seems that even though Casey viewed people as disposable, (see how easily she switched groups of friends) she was much more eager to contact them, than they her.

IMO

We shouldn't forget that TonE and Casey had only been dating since right around the middle of May, prior to that it was only an internet realtionship (IM chatting etc). He met Caylee I think 2 or three times.
How serious was it really, I mean it certainly didn't take much for TonE to come to the conclusion that everything he was hearing about Casey was true. He had to suspect that half of what he heard from her directly was a lie, I mean the working from home, never going in to work, none of it really makes sense when you analyze it. All of her friends susupected she lied about it. But I doubt he cared, he was getting laid, she was keeping the house clean and cooking. What I found odd was when he went to NY to visit family he didn't let her stay at his place, I wonder if he knew she was tooling around all week in his car. She was a temporary thing he knew it and she did too, that is why she was looking to get to CA and see Mark Hawkins and also why she was working William Waters.

[ish]

Maybe they were just as glad she wasn't around. Why rock the boat?


JMO

Amy said she was "always talking" that would get on my last nerve...

[eastside joe]

It always stuck in my mind that because George became ill at the conclusion of his interview, it was more of an "Oh, dear God, my daughter really did kill my granddaughter, it's now sinking in, and I just turned her over to police" reaction rather than having been prompted by any specific thing. Some have speculated that he was shown photos that made him ill, but I don't recall that - I thought it was after everything was wrapped up.

Casey just continues to fascinate me. Think about it - her own family, all her friends, everyone KNEW that she was a master liar. And yet they all still wanted to be around her and clamored for her attention. What was it about her that drew everyone to her even when they knew what she was really like?

As always, my own opinion.

I don't believe all her friends wanted to clamor around her, that is why she was constantly finding new groups to hang with so I believe that is inaccurate.

With regards to George, IMO he became physically ill after recalling in his own mind the smell of death and thinking about that smell made him vomit.

[Dick Tracy]

When my father was still alive he had a male friend named Fran who was a mortician. Occasionally, Fran would call my dad to go on "a run" which meant to go pick up a corpse. He would call my dad for help if it was a particularly difficult one. Dad got the call one day to pick up an old man who had died. He had been dead for over a week. My dad returned from that job and we could all smell it on him. What was worse, he had accidentally touched the corpse's toe and the smell lingered on his hand for two weeks. It was very strong for the first few days. No matter how much my dad showered it wouldn't go away. I guess it just wears off eventually.

WHOAH! That's gruesome. :w00t:

[Dick Tracy]

We shouldn't forget that TonE and Casey had only been dating since right around the middle of May, prior to that it was only an internet realtionship (IM chatting etc). He met Caylee I think 2 or three times.
How serious was it really, I mean it certainly didn't take much for TonE to come to the conclusion that everything he was hearing about Casey was true. He had to suspect that half of what he heard from her directly was a lie, I mean the working from home, never going in to work, none of it really makes sense when you analyze it. All of her friends susupected she lied about it. But I doubt he cared, he was getting laid, she was keeping the house clean and cooking. What I found odd was when he went to NY to visit family he didn't let her stay at his place, I wonder if he knew she was tooling around all week in his car. She was a temporary thing he knew it and she did too, that is why she was looking to get to CA and see Mark Hawkins and also why she was working William Waters.

Her Plan B.

[TunaMelt]

She told the last group she had $15,000 in the bank, her dad was going to buy her a new car, the parents were going to give her the house, she had been to college, she had an amazing job where she could work from home - she painted an image opposite from what she was. She had a lie to cover every thing. She cleaned the house, did the laundry, cooked, lotsa sex - what more could a young guy want.

Notice no one was taken enough with her lies to let her live in their apt alone while they were on vacation.

Good point, LOL.

And about her parents giving her the house, just how crazy-arsed a lie is that anyway? That one's always bugged me: I mean, her friends at that moment must have wondered just how that was going to come about, and why. My first question to her would be "WHY" are they giving you the house, KC? That's a pretty extreme gift for a middle class family like those Anthonys.

All this great stuff coming to a girl who never graduated from high school and didn't have the sense to use contraceptives, and couldn't remember the name of her child's father.

Sure, KC.
Sure.
:thumbdown:

[margaritaville]

I don't believe all her friends wanted to clamor around her, that is why she was constantly finding new groups to hang with so I believe that is inaccurate.

With regards to George, IMO he became physically ill after recalling in his own mind the smell of death and thinking about that smell made him vomit.


bolding mine:

Was that while he was talking with LE?
I thought he vomited because of the nasty pictures of Casey they were showing him......
Hmmm I guess I will have to re-visit that interview.

MOO

[gogo]

(I love tuna melts on english muffins.) lol As for the house, even it was true, how would she pay, insurance, taxes, water an sewerage, plus utilities? who the heck would believe her? also wasn't there a mortgage also to pay? Did Amy believe her? I wonder. Good point, LOL.

And about her parents giving her the house, just how crazy-arsed a lie is that anyway? That one's always bugged me: I mean, her friends at that moment must have wondered just how that was going to come about, and why. My first question to her would be "WHY" are they giving you the house, KC? That's a pretty extreme gift for a middle class family like those Anthonys.

All this great stuff coming to a girl who never graduated from high school and didn't have the sense to use contraceptives, and couldn't remember the name of her child's father.

Sure, KC.
Sure.
:thumbdown:

[Unleashed]

bolding mine:

Was that while he was talking with LE?
I thought he vomited because of the nasty pictures of Casey they were showing him......Hmmm I guess I will have to re-visit that interview.

MOO
my bold

Good, that makes three of us. I tried to look, maybe you'll have better luck.

JMO

[legalmania]

She told the last group she had $15,000 in the bank, her dad was going to buy her a new car, the parents were going to give her the house, she had been to college, she had an amazing job where she could work from home - she painted an image opposite from what she was. She had a lie to cover every thing. She cleaned the house, did the laundry, cooked, lotsa sex - what more could a young guy want.

Notice no one was taken enough with her lies to let her live in their apt alone while they were on vacation.

Well there is only one conclusion you can come to:

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[101Spots]

Her Plan B.

She'd been through how many men? Probably more like Plan Q.

[legalmania]

That smell could have gotten into her clothes as well. So she had to ditch her clothes somewhere, you think ? Does that tie in to buying more clothes at Target, to replace some that were in her car?


Does anyone remember what the date was that she left the car at the video store?

[ConchGirl]

Does anyone remember what the date was that she left the car at the video store?

June 27th.

[Dells]

Isnt there a plant that smells like human decomp (saw it on csi, so it must be true~LOL)

JB will probably say that kc bought that plant and left it in her trunk.


jmo

If JB goes that route, then he will have to produce the plant, the receipt from when Casey bought the plant, and any video surveillance from the store where Casey bought the plant (if they have any) in order to make it believable.:sneaky: He's got nothing.

[crimeq]

bolding mine:

Was that while he was talking with LE?
I thought he vomited because of the nasty pictures of Casey they were showing him......
Hmmm I guess I will have to re-visit that interview.

MOO

IIRC, it was when he was shown the pictures that he felt sick and left the room. But the enormity could have hit him at any time during that interview, IMO, and it could have made him sick.

[legalmania]

June 27th.

I know this has been discussed but the prosecution has to put Casey and Caylee in that car at the same time, what proof does the prosecution have that Caylee was with Casey through June 27? Doesn't the phone records lose her for a couple of days?

[ish]

If JB goes that route, then he will have to produce the plant, the receipt from when Casey bought the plant, and any video surveillance from the store where Casey bought the plant (if they have any) in order to make it believable.:sneaky: He's got nothing.

he probably bought the seeds, planted one and is trying to delay the trial til it grows and he can present it as evidence!!:laugh:

[Sun]

IIRC, it was when he was shown the pictures that he felt sick and left the room. But the enormity could have hit him at any time during that interview, IMO, and it could have made him sick.

If anyone can find a link to the interview, please post it. I remember LE briefly mentioning some 1200+ pics, but just don't remember anyone ever showing them to George. My memory isn't what it once was though.

[crimeq]

(I love tuna melts on english muffins.) lol As for the house, even it was true, how would she pay, insurance, taxes, water an sewerage, plus utilities? who the heck would believe her? also wasn't there a mortgage also to pay? Did Amy believe her? I wonder.

Amy had already submitted a change of address to the US Postal Service. This, coupled with her believing Casey when she told her she must have misplaced her hundreds of dollars when she was sleepwalking, makes me think Amy is very gullible.

[legalmania]

If JB goes that route, then he will have to produce the plant, the receipt from when Casey bought the plant, and any video surveillance from the store where Casey bought the plant (if they have any) in order to make it believable.:sneaky: He's got nothing.

If it exists it would probably not be in a store, who would want a plant near or around their house or store that smells like human decomposition?

[crimeq]

If anyone can find a link to the interview, please post it. I remember LE briefly mentioning some 1200+ pics, but just don't remember anyone ever showing them to George. My memory isn't what it once was though.

Sun, I'm just pulling this from memory too, but I think they showed him one picture and told him they had 1200+ like it. I'm not one of the great links-meisters on this forum (and kudos to them for being able to lay hands on whatever is needed, time after time after time!).

[Chardonnay]

If anyone can find a link to the interview, please post it. I remember LE briefly mentioning some 1200+ pics, but just don't remember anyone ever showing them to George. My memory isn't what it once was though.

Not sure if it would be here, on part 7 of GA's interview with the FBI.. I don't have the patience to watch it, becuz of the constant buffering, and I don't know how to fix it. Nor can I find the transcripts. Let me know if you watch it and if it's the one.. tia

http://www.wftv.com/video/18035029/index.html

[ish]

IIRC, it was when he was shown the pictures that he felt sick and left the room. But the enormity could have hit him at any time during that interview, IMO, and it could have made him sick.

I think it was just the stress of the whole situation and remembering the smell that made him sick enough to vomit

George went to LE that day without Lee or Cindy knowing, LE told him they were going to release some tapes to the public and asked him if he wanted to listen to them first and did he want Lee there. He did and LE called Lee asked him to come down and pretended that they had called George also. George got sick while they were waiting for Lee. I think the tapes were the 911 calls and perhaps the phone call from Casey that first night she was arrested. for more detail this is in the July 24 interview with George, Yuri Melich and John Allen.

[ConchGirl]

Not sure if it would be here, on part 7 of GA's interview with the FBI.. I don't have the patience to watch it, becuz of the constant buffering, and I don't know how to fix it. Nor can I find the transcripts. Let me know if you watch it and if it's the one.. tia

http://www.wftv.com/video/18035029/index.html
Color me confused but I think it was during the Orange County LE interview before they released the 911 tape. I can't find the link. imo

[legalmania]

Not sure if it would be here, on part 7 of GA's interview with the FBI.. I don't have the patience to watch it, becuz of the constant buffering, and I don't know how to fix it. Nor can I find the transcripts. Let me know if you watch it and if it's the one.. tia

http://www.wftv.com/video/18035029/index.html

It works o.k but I don't have the patience to sit for 36 minutes and listen to a q&a about Casey.

[saywhat04]

my bold

Good, that makes three of us. I tried to look, maybe you'll have better luck.

JMO

Here's my recollection. LE mentioned pictures to George, and that they were or had been "out there" for everyone to see. At no point during that conversation or interview, though, do I remember George actually being shown pictures. Toward the end of the interview, IIRC after they had called Middle Finger to come down to the station (and George didn't want him to know he was there), George started feeling sick and ended up out back throwing up.

So my recollection is that pictures of the odious one were mentioned, and then at some point not too long after that George got sick. But I don't think anyone knows conclusively what made him sick -- whether LE showed him some of the photos, or he became overwhelmed by the enormity of the situation, or he remembered the stain and the smell.

[legalmania]

Color me confused but I think it was during the Orange County LE interview before they released the 911 tape. I can't find the link. imo

What color is confused anyway?

[101Spots]

Here's my recollection. LE mentioned pictures to George, and that they were or had been "out there" for everyone to see. At no point during that conversation or interview, though, do I remember George actually being shown pictures. Toward the end of the interview, IIRC after they had called Middle Finger to come down to the station (and George didn't want him to know he was there), George started feeling sick and ended up out back throwing up.

So my recollection is that pictures of the odious one were mentioned, and then at some point not too long after that George got sick. But I don't think anyone knows conclusively what made him sick -- whether LE showed him some of the photos, or he became overwhelmed by the enormity of the situation, or he remembered the stain and the smell.

I'll second this recollection.

[ish]

Not sure if it would be here, on part 7 of GA's interview with the FBI.. I don't have the patience to watch it, becuz of the constant buffering, and I don't know how to fix it. Nor can I find the transcripts. Let me know if you watch it and if it's the one.. tia

http://www.wftv.com/video/18035029/index.html

do a search for the transcript, easier to read it than watch.. July 24 interview with LE. I searched yahoo and it came right up.

[gaelicpeas]

I think it was just the stress of the whole situation and remembering the smell that made him sick enough to vomit

George went to LE that day without Lee or Cindy knowing, LE told him they were going to release some tapes to the public and asked him if he wanted to listen to them first and did he want Lee there. He did and LE called Lee asked him to come down and pretended that they had called George also. George got sick while they were waiting for Lee. I think the tapes were the 911 calls and perhaps the phone call from Casey that first night she was arrested. for more detail this is in the July 24 interview with George, Yuri Melich and John Allen.I don't know if this is where it is, but here is the July 24 interview with George:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

[Chardonnay]

Color me confused but I think it was during the Orange County LE interview before they released the 911 tape. I can't find the link. imo

Ahhhh okay... Sorry.. I'm more confused than you !

[gaelicpeas]

That cfnews13 site has pretty much everything, I think, in case anyone is interested..... just go to their site and click on the Casey Anthony case.

[Sandy001]

She probably had extra clothes in the car in a bag of some sort that wouldn't smell. Cindy knew exactly what she was doing by washing the clothes left in the car. That is why she told George to go to work and she would take care of it.

Didn't someone comment in one of the discovery dumps that the car looked like someone had been living in it? I think that is where she was when she left home and before she could move in with the next male victim.

[Barbara fl.]

I know this has been discussed but the prosecution has to put Casey and Caylee in that car at the same time, what proof does the prosecution have that Caylee was with Casey through June 27? Doesn't the phone records lose her for a couple of days?

And if they can't?

[TunaMelt]

Here's my recollection. LE mentioned pictures to George, and that they were or had been "out there" for everyone to see. At no point during that conversation or interview, though, do I remember George actually being shown pictures. Toward the end of the interview, IIRC after they had called Middle Finger to come down to the station (and George didn't want him to know he was there), George started feeling sick and ended up out back throwing up.

So my recollection is that pictures of the odious one were mentioned, and then at some point not too long after that George got sick. But I don't think anyone knows conclusively what made him sick -- whether LE showed him some of the photos, or he became overwhelmed by the enormity of the situation, or he remembered the stain and the smell.

That's it exactly.
:thumbup:

[Barbara fl.]

he probably bought the seeds, planted one and is trying to delay the trial til it grows and he can present it as evidence!!:laugh:



I love your way of thinking....:laugh:

[legalmania]

Didn't someone comment in one of the discovery dumps that the car looked like someone had been living in it? I think that is where she was when she left home and before she could move in with the next male victim.

If the smell was that bad the cloths would have picked up the odor. I thought Cindy washed a pair of pants because they were dirty. Why wouldn't she do a whole load?

[ish]

I don't know if this is where it is, but here is the July 24 interview with George:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

that's it right around page 50 thru 58-59

[gaelicpeas]

Actually, I was just re-reading the end of George's interview, and they are talking about Baez, and how George doesn't think he is handling the case properly. Soon after that he gets sick...

[ish]

I love your way of thinking....:laugh:

you know what they say "great minds think alike"

[Sandy001]

Jane Velez-Mitchell lwill be covering the stolen cross episode. Can't wait to hear this one.

Also they brought up the fact that Casey losing it when she heard about the recovery would help the DEFENSE as it showed emotion. They are right about that so why is Baez fighting so hard????

[legalmania]

And if they can't?



They got a problem.

[Sandy001]

If the smell was that bad the cloths would have picked up the odor. I thought Cindy washed a pair of pants because they were dirty. Why wouldn't she do a whole load?

Maybe Casey's clothes weren't IN the car when the body was. Could she have left them at Tony's? Cindy, with a background in nursing would probably have a good idea of how to get rid of that odor.

[ish]

That's it exactly.
:thumbup:

I don't think the pictures are going to turn out to be too much, mostly party pictures, maybe some skin showing. I think the point LE was trying to make and they do spell this out in one interview, out of all those pictures of Casey and her friends and associates and of Caylee, there is not one of Zenaida or anyone who would be considered a nanny. 1200 and even Jesse said casey deleted hundreds more, and not one of the nanny, not her hand or foot or back of the head, nothing. She watched caylee for a long time and not one photo...weird.

[legalmania]

Maybe Casey's clothes weren't IN the car when the body was. Could she have left them at Tony's? Cindy, with a background in nursing would probably have a good idea of how to get rid of that odor.

I don't know somebody just said the car looked like somebody was living in it. Somebody else said she was in between boyfriends?

[Barbara fl.]

They got a problem.

But if it is proven that Caylee was in the trunk (scientific evidence) it wouldn't be likely that anyone would have seen the two together while Casey was driving.....

Had the car been reported stolen during that time, that would be a different story...(but it wasn't) and Casey was the last known person to be in that car....TonE stated that Casey was the one who left the car at Amscot, I would think that would be proof enough that the body was in the car while Casey was also.....

JMO

But not having direct proof of them being in the car together doesn't seem that important....it was Casey's car and it was her daughter, and she didn't report her daughter missing and the odor of death was in the trunk of the car....which was abandoned by Casey....

Really...what more proof would someone need? The average murder is nor committed in front of an audience.....

I honestly do not think it will be a problem....I could be wrong though....

[Pruddennce]

I don't know if this is where it is, but here is the July 24 interview with George:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

the reference about 1200 pics is there.....page 46

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036330/2008-0724-Police-Interview-George-Anthony

someone asked about GA getting sick....its here, no apparent reason leading up to him getting sick: at the end of the doc....

this is also the interview where he wants Lee down there, but DOESNT WANT LEE TO KNOW HE IS ALREADY THERE....and suggests a reason for them to tell Lee that they would like him to stop in: page 58

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036330/2008-0724-Police-Interview-George-Anthony

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[legalmania]

But if it is proven that Caylee was in the trunk (scientific evidence) it wouldn't be likely that anyone would have seen the two together while Casey was driving.....

Had the car been reported stolen during that time, that would be a different story...(but it wasn't) and Casey was the last known person to be in that car....TonE stated that Casey was the one who left the car at Amscot, I would think that would be proof enough that the body was in the car while Casey was also.....

JMO

But not having direct proof of them being in the car together doesn't seem that important....it was Casey's car and it was her daughter, and she didn't report her daughter missing and the odor of death was in the trunk of the car....which was abandoned by Casey....

Really...what more proof would someone need? The average murder is nor committed in front of an audience.....

I honestly do not think it will be a problem....I could be wrong though....

It's a good point but like you say it could be wrong because suppose there are prints or hairs from somebody else. Can it be a total conclusion that Casey was the only one who ever drove that car. Suppose there is a witness who can say they saw somebody else driving that car, during that time. It' just to weird that she wouldn't report her missing.

[legalmania]

Actually, I was just re-reading the end of George's interview, and they are talking about Baez, and how George doesn't think he is handling the case properly. Soon after that he gets sick...

That is a common reaction when speaking about Baez.

[Lapis]

But if it is proven that Caylee was in the trunk (scientific evidence) it wouldn't be likely that anyone would have seen the two together while Casey was driving.....

Had the car been reported stolen during that time, that would be a different story...(but it wasn't) and Casey was the last known person to be in that car....TonE stated that Casey was the one who left the car at Amscot, I would think that would be proof enough that the body was in the car while Casey was also.....

JMO

But not having direct proof of them being in the car together doesn't seem that important....it was Casey's car and it was her daughter, and she didn't report her daughter missing and the odor of death was in the trunk of the car....which was abandoned by Casey....

Really...what more proof would someone need? The average murder is nor committed in front of an audience.....

I honestly do not think it will be a problem....I could be wrong though....

Just thinking here....didn't Casey drive Tone's car for a week and Amy's for a week. During that time, where was her car? Did anyone else have access?

[TunaMelt]

I don't think the pictures are going to turn out to be too much, mostly party pictures, maybe some skin showing. I think the point LE was trying to make and they do spell this out in one interview, out of all those pictures of Casey and her friends and associates and of Caylee, there is not one of Zenaida or anyone who would be considered a nanny. 1200 and even Jesse said casey deleted hundreds more, and not one of the nanny, not her hand or foot or back of the head, nothing. She watched caylee for a long time and not one photo...weird.

ish, it looks like you are correct.

I just reread the pages 45-47 and LE was talking about the fact that there were no pics of Zenaida in those 1200 pictures.

When I read it before, and watched the video before, I got the impression it was the mention of the photos that made George sick. It seems like it might be the whole experience like others are saying.

[legalmania]

Just thinking here....didn't Casey drive Tone's car for a week and Amy's for a week. During that time, where was her car? Did anyone else have access?

It's things like that, that make me worry, because some juror could find that reasonable enough not to put her to sleep forever.
Why didn't anybody report a smelly car?

[saywhat04]

I don't think the pictures are going to turn out to be too much, mostly party pictures, maybe some skin showing. I think the point LE was trying to make and they do spell this out in one interview, out of all those pictures of Casey and her friends and associates and of Caylee, there is not one of Zenaida or anyone who would be considered a nanny. 1200 and even Jesse said casey deleted hundreds more, and not one of the nanny, not her hand or foot or back of the head, nothing. She watched caylee for a long time and not one photo...weird.

Bolding mine ...

I think the point LE was trying to make with George during that particular interview was that the world was quickly discovering just how odious Casey was, and therefore, it was serving no purpose for him (or Cindy) to continue to try to hide the truth about their daughter.

[Pruddennce]

If the smell was that bad the cloths would have picked up the odor. I thought Cindy washed a pair of pants because they were dirty. Why wouldn't she do a whole load?

Cindy claimed there was only one piece of clothing in the car: THE PANTS and she washed them because they smelled. she said she removed them and washed them and they were hanging in Casey's closet.

she washed them PRIOR TO washing all of the other clothing that were retrieved from tony's apartment. she claimed she waited to wash all of those clothes.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

page 31


Q: when you said the slacks smelt nasty are you talking about like...

CINDY: just smoke

Q: body odor or...

CINDY: they just...everything kind of took the smell of the car.

Q: Okay Okay

CINDY: I mean they just had an odor.

first she says smoke, then she says the car, then she says AN ODOR.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[101Spots]

Just thinking here....didn't Casey drive Tone's car for a week and Amy's for a week. During that time, where was her car? Did anyone else have access?

IIRC, Casey dropped her car off June 27 and went home with TonE. When he left the 1st week of July, she drove his Jeep. He came home, Amy left for PR, and she drove Amy's car. A convenient sequence. Lucky her.

[legalmania]

Cindy claimed there was only one piece of clothing in the car: THE PANTS and she washed them because they smelled. she said she removed them and washed them and they were hanging in Casey's closet.

she washed them PRIOR TO washing all of the other clothing that were retrieved from tony's apartment. she claimed she waited to wash all of those clothes.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

page 31


Q: when you said the slacks smelt nasty are you talking about like...

CINDY: just smoke

Q: body odor or...

CINDY: they just...everything kind of took the smell of the car.

Q: Okay Okay

CINDY: I mean they just had an odor.

first she says smoke, then she says the car, then she says AN ODOR.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Well did tony say the clothes smelt?

[frances1]

the reference about 1200 pics is there.....page 46

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036330/2008-0724-Police-Interview-George-Anthony

someone asked about GA getting sick....its here, no apparent reason leading up to him getting sick: at the end of the doc....

this is also the interview where he wants Lee down there, but DOESNT WANT LEE TO KNOW HE IS ALREADY THERE....and suggests a reason for them to tell Lee that they would like him to stop in: page 58

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036330/2008-0724-Police-Interview-George-Anthony

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Do these people ever do anything just straight up? Why all the cloak and dagger?

[Sun]

Cindy claimed there was only one piece of clothing in the car: THE PANTS and she washed them because they smelled. she said she removed them and washed them and they were hanging in Casey's closet.

she washed them PRIOR TO washing all of the other clothing that were retrieved from tony's apartment. she claimed she waited to wash all of those clothes.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

page 31


Q: when you said the slacks smelt nasty are you talking about like...

CINDY: just smoke

Q: body odor or...

CINDY: they just...everything kind of took the smell of the car.

Q: Okay Okay

CINDY: I mean they just had an odor.

first she says smoke, then she says the car, then she says AN ODOR.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I just can't trust Cindy to tell the truth about anything. LOL I wonder if a Jury will feel the same way by the end of the trial?

[Sandy001]

But if it is proven that Caylee was in the trunk (scientific evidence) it wouldn't be likely that anyone would have seen the two together while Casey was driving.....

Had the car been reported stolen during that time, that would be a different story...(but it wasn't) and Casey was the last known person to be in that car....TonE stated that Casey was the one who left the car at Amscot, I would think that would be proof enough that the body was in the car while Casey was also.....

JMO

But not having direct proof of them being in the car together doesn't seem that important....it was Casey's car and it was her daughter, and she didn't report her daughter missing and the odor of death was in the trunk of the car....which was abandoned by Casey....

Really...what more proof would someone need? The average murder is nor committed in front of an audience.....

I honestly do not think it will be a problem....I could be wrong though....

I'm with you on this. Casey never reported the car stolen but she set it up to be stolen imo. That minor detail will fry her unless G&C volunteer to go under that bus and admit and THEY used the car. I know Casey tried to say her DAD ran over a squirrel, but I don't think George ever admitted that. There was no question that the car was in her possession when George discovered the gas cans in the trunk. Someone else using Caey's car is not a REASONABLE doubt imo

[Pruddennce]

Well did tony say the clothes smelt?


he didnt mention anything. I dont believe he was asked about her clothes.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[sunstar]

Just thinking here....didn't Casey drive Tone's car for a week and Amy's for a week. During that time, where was her car? Did anyone else have access?

Hi! I thought she was driving Amy's car while Amy was on vacation which would've been after her car was left at Amscot and would've been in July. MOO

[Sandy001]

It's things like that, that make me worry, because some juror could find that reasonable enough not to put her to sleep forever.
Why didn't anybody report a smelly car?

Wasn't it parked NEXT TO a dumpster? Maybe no one went over to that area frequently and, even if they did, they might just have thought the smell came from the dumpster.

[taylor63]

Didn't Cindy WASH a pair of Casey's pants that were in the car that smelled like decomp? I thought I remembered hearing that. I think as soon as Cindy smelled that smell she "knew", gut level, that Caylee was dead and Casey was involved. I think it was a cover up from then on out. Not calling 911 immediately when noticing the smell and going back to work instead is insane. imo


I agree. If this had happened in Texas where I live,I think the parents might be charged as an accessory after the fact.

[Dells]

Just thinking here....didn't Casey drive Tone's car for a week and Amy's for a week. During that time, where was her car? Did anyone else have access?

I think that at that time she had already abandoned her car. So it was either at the parking lot at Amscott or else the tow yard, I think. :shrug:

[sunstar]

Wasn't it parked NEXT TO a dumpster? Maybe no one went over to that area frequently and, even if they did, they might just have thought the smell came from the dumpster.

Yes it sure was and I think that's exactly why she parked it there so the smell could be confused with the trash in the dumpster. :smile:


I see Nancy can't stay away from her favorite topic ~ Casey! And there's nothing that's really earth shattering going on today. :laugh:

[Sun]

Just thinking here....didn't Casey drive Tone's car for a week and Amy's for a week. During that time, where was her car? Did anyone else have access?

IIRC, Casey's car was parked at the Amscot from June 27 through June 30. It was towed to Johnson's and was in the towyard from June 30 until July 15th.

Tony's trip to New York was around June 30 until July 5th, I think, and Casey had full access to Tony's jeep during that time. Casey also had full access to Amy's car from ?? until July 15. (I can't remember the exact date that Amy left on her PR trip).

[desmom]

you'll notice when she "dropped off the face of the earth for a few weeks" those friends were not so concerned that they bothered to contact her family to see if she and or Caylee were okay. If my good friend and her child suddenly were "unavailable" for a period of time and I was on friendly terms with the parents I think I might contact them just to see of everything is okay, especially if they lived with the parents.

She had almost daily contact with Amy, she called Ricardo a couple of times and Troy too I believe. They also saw her posting pics from Fusians on her myspace/facebook pages.

IMO, when they said "she dropped off the face of the earth", they were saying they did not see much of her.

[saywhat04]

Well, Mark Klaas on NG just gave some credence to the A's behavior in removing the memorials at the dump site, by saying he hated the site where Polly was recovered. Argh.

[legalmania]

he didnt mention anything. I dont believe he was asked about her clothes.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

That's weird, death is a smell you just can't miss when I'm driving I can smell it.

[AMS]

Next on NG - a handwriting analyst analyzes the OC's handwriting.

imo

[Pruddennce]

Do these people ever do anything just straight up? Why all the cloak and dagger?

IMO,..because this the anthony modus operandi.....they lie and connive instead of talking straight up to one another.......I appreciate how GA and his underhand behaviour backfires without him realizing it....

LIE FOR ME GUYS.....and LE does so they can get Lee there.....

he didnt want Lee giving Cindy a head's up on what he was going to be hearing, the 911 calls. he didnt want to listen all by himself.

Cindy will not accept one fact: Caylee was not in her daughter's care from June 16th to July 15th. according to Cindy, the case began when LE got it. not when Casey left the home with Caylee and states matter of factly, THIRTY ONE DAYS...chilling 911 responses from Casey.....simply chilling.

after re-reading GA's statement, I see why he felt all barfed up anticipating listening to 'the calls'.....IMO he already knew Casey was nonchalant on the call and Cindy was livid about her casual responses to such a grave situation.

I would be barfing too....he already knew Casey's voice/demeanor/content matter of responses was going to be EVIDENCE......and she made no attempt to 'show concern or upset'...

CHILLING.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[AMS]

Handwritng analyst on NG - regarding the OC's handwriting:

Spacial picture extremenly crowded. No space between lines and words. Suggests this is a woman who does not have clear boundaries and cannot see the reality of others. Look at the oversized letters in the small space allowed...narcissist. Lives in own fantasy world. Makes up own rules. Cannot understand the difference between right and wrong.

imo

[legalmania]

Wasn't it parked NEXT TO a dumpster? Maybe no one went over to that area frequently and, even if they did, they might just have thought the smell came from the dumpster.

I don't know I know it was at the video store I don't remember any dumpster there, but maybe at the junk yard. I was at a junk yard looking at my friends totaled car and right next to it was this car and these weird bugs and I asked the guy if somebody died in that car and he said yes two girls.

[Repunzel]

New Member here...I have followed this case since the first batch of 911 calls by Cindy...I know you've prolly heard that one before...but honestly I have...so hopefully I won't ask a bunch of stupid questions.

Have been on a couple other boards and they have either gone clicky or they seldom talk about the case...I know it has been slow but...

As you may be able to tell from my name...I am blonde...so don't be to hard on me...:wink::wink::wink:

[desmom]

New Member here...I have followed this case since the first batch of 911 calls by Cindy...I know you've prolly heard that one before...but honestly I have...so hopefully I won't ask a bunch of stupid questions.

Have been on a couple other boards and they have either gone clicky or they seldom talk about the case...I know it has been slow but...

As you may be able to tell from my name...I am blonde...so don't be to hard on me...:wink::wink::wink:

Welcome to the Boards!

[trich]

Handwritng analyst on NG - regarding the OC's handwriting:

Spacial picture extremenly crowded. No space between lines and words. Suggests this is a woman who does not have clear boundaries and cannot see the reality of others. Look at the oversized letters in the small space allowed...narcissist. Lives in own fantasy world. Makes up own rules. Cannot understand the difference between right and wrong.

imo

Shoot I or you or anyone could come up with that considering all we know about Casey.....
I don't for a minute believe that her writing tells anyone all that......it is her behavior not her writing . IMO
Everything that the "expert" said we all know . LOL

[legalmania]

I agree. If this had happened in Texas where I live,I think the parents might be charged as an accessory after the fact.

Well Jeb Bush changed the laws in Florida drastically it's almost like the wild west. I had to get out of there. If you didn't carry a gun you were putting your life in somebody else's hands.

[Repunzel]

Shoot I or you or anyone could come up with that considering all we know about Casey.....
I don't for a minute believe that her writing tells anyone all that......it is her behavior not her writing . IMO
Everything that the "expert" said we all know . LOL


I was just about to say the same thing...anyone who has followed this case could have made that stuff up...GEZZZ...

[sunstar]

Handwritng analyst on NG - regarding the OC's handwriting:

Spacial picture extremenly crowded. No space between lines and words. Suggests this is a woman who does not have clear boundaries and cannot see the reality of others. Look at the oversized letters in the small space allowed...narcissist. Lives in own fantasy world. Makes up own rules. Cannot understand the difference between right and wrong.

imo

I thought it was quite fitting with what most think about Casey. Like we could've said the same things! MOO

[desmom]

I don't know I know it was at the video store I don't remember any dumpster there, but maybe at the junk yard. I was at a junk yard looking at my friends totaled car and right next to it was this car and these weird bugs and I asked the guy if somebody died in that car and he said yes two girls.

Gary Ridgeway, tow truck driver page 3 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643180/Ridgeway-Gary---Statement

Gary: They reported they had a car on the side. I had the private property removal sheet filled out. The car itself was parked next to the dumpster.

LE: Uh-hum (affirmative)

Gary: Near there, nosed in.

LE: Right.

Gary: Being a front wheel drive car I checked to see if it was unlocked because sometimes you can put them in neutral and move them, but it was locked.

LE: Right

Farther down the page, LE asked if he noticed a odor coming from the car. Gary said no, but he was recovering from a cold and if it did smell he probably would not have noticed.

jmo

[AMS]

Caylee Anthony – Grandparents Escape Prosecution

http://www.bloggernews.net/121182


imo

[Dells]

New Member here...I have followed this case since the first batch of 911 calls by Cindy...I know you've prolly heard that one before...but honestly I have...so hopefully I won't ask a bunch of stupid questions.

Have been on a couple other boards and they have either gone clicky or they seldom talk about the case...I know it has been slow but...

As you may be able to tell from my name...I am blonde...so don't be to hard on me...:wink:

Welcome to the boards! :seeya: This is a great board and I think you will love it here. Glad to have you posting w/us.:smile:

[legalmania]

New Member here...I have followed this case since the first batch of 911 calls by Cindy...I know you've prolly heard that one before...but honestly I have...so hopefully I won't ask a bunch of stupid questions.

Have been on a couple other boards and they have either gone clicky or they seldom talk about the case...I know it has been slow but...

As you may be able to tell from my name...I am blonde...so don't be to hard on me...:wink::wink::wink:

That reminds me of something is it Repunzel, Repunzel lend me your ear?

[legalmania]

Gary Ridgeway, tow truck driver page 3 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643180/Ridgeway-Gary---Statement

Gary: They reported they had a car on the side. I had the private property removal sheet filled out. The car itself was parked next to the dumpster.

LE: Uh-hum (affirmative)

Gary: Near there, nosed in.

LE: Right.

Gary: Being a front wheel drive car I checked to see if it was unlocked because sometimes you can put them in neutral and move them, but it was locked.

LE: Right

Farther down the page, LE asked if he noticed a odor coming from the car. Gary said no, but he was recovering from a cold and if it did smell he probably would not have noticed.

jmo

I think I could have a nose full of grease and still smell it.

[desmom]

I think I could have a nose full of grease and still smell it.

If there are any men posting on the board, I apologize.

IMO, a woman would notice, a man would assume the odor was coming from the dumpster and never give it a second thought.

[ttcRider]

That reminds me of something is it Repunzel, Repunzel lend me your ear?

I think its 'Let down your golden hair' haha

[desmom]

We need a doc dump! I want to know about the maggots, did the duct tape found on Caylee's mouth have any markings that matched the duct tape on the gas can, did the laundry bag at the scene have any flaws in the material that match the laundry bag found at the house, I want to read Mallory's interview, see the JC Penney 6/27 video of Casey and Tone.......

Can anyone thing of anything else?

[legalmania]

I think its 'Let down your golden hair' haha

Who the heck lent their ear? Oh wait that was the Tyson v. Holyfield fight.

[legalmania]

We need a doc dump! I want to know about the maggots, did the duct tape found on Caylee's mouth have any markings that matched the duct tape on the gas can, did the laundry bag at the scene have any flaws in the material that match the laundry bag found at the house, I want to read Mallory's interview, see the JC Penney 6/27 video of Casey and Tone.......

I just killed a fly you want me to send the remains?

[desmom]

I just killed a fly you want me to send the remains?

Only if you can connect the fly to Casey's car. :tonguewag:

[legalmania]

Only if you can connect the fly to Casey's car. :tonguewag:

That I don't even think Dr. Lee could do.

[legalmania]

Baez must be on line because I feel like I'm gonna be sick.

[saywhat04]

I think its 'Let down your golden hair' haha

Isn't it also Rapunzel (with an "a" after the R)?? :huh:

[Dells]

We need a doc dump! I want to know about the maggots, did the duct tape found on Caylee's mouth have any markings that matched the duct tape on the gas can, did the laundry bag at the scene have any flaws in the material that match the laundry bag found at the house, I want to read Mallory's interview, see the JC Penney 6/27 video of Casey and Tone.......

Can anyone thing of anything else?

I'd like to see the text messages between TonE and Casey the night of the 15th into the 16th of June.

I'd also like to see the surveillance video of Casey abandoning her car at the Amscott parking lot.

I think there is plenty that we haven't seen yet, and I bet some of it is very incriminating towards Casey. There's a very important reason that the DP is back on the table and I don't think we have seen that reason yet. I think the evidence that we have is pretty damaging, but I think there is a bombshell in the evidence that we haven't seen yet.

[ttcRider]

Isn't it also Rapunzel (with an "a" after the R)?? :huh:

I think you are right... The story use to creep me out to be honest. :blushing: as told by my german Oma that is.. She probably changed the story around so I wouldnt want long hair. :laugh:

[legalmania]

I'd like to see the text messages between TonE and Casey the night of the 15th into the 16th of June.

I'd also like to see the surveillance video of Casey abandoning her car at the Amscott parking lot.

I think there is plenty that we haven't seen yet, and I bet some of it is very incriminating towards Casey. There's a very important reason that the DP is back on the table and I don't think we have seen that reason yet. I think the evidence that we have is pretty damaging, but I think there is a bombshell in the evidence that we haven't seen yet.

One thing the DP is make Baez get off his pony and realize he's not big enough to ride the big horse yet.

[desmom]

I'd like to see the text messages between TonE and Casey the night of the 15th into the 16th of June.

I'd also like to see the surveillance video of Casey abandoning her car at the Amscott parking lot.

I think there is plenty that we haven't seen yet, and I bet some of it is very incriminating towards Casey. There's a very important reason that the DP is back on the table and I don't think we have seen that reason yet. I think the evidence that we have is pretty damaging, but I think there is a bombshell in the evidence that we haven't seen yet.

Hmm, surveillance video from Amscot may be interesting. Could Casey have used the dumpster at Amscot? Did she drive the car into the parking lot or did 2 guys push in to the lot as Casey reported? Cindy said Casey told her she left a note on the car. Did she?

jmo

[saywhat04]

I think you are right... The story use to creep me out to be honest. :blushing: as told by my german Oma that is.. She probably changed the story around so I wouldnt want long hair. :laugh:

I don't remember the details, but I think she lets down her hair out a window so some dude can use it as a ladder to climb up to her in her tower. :loveeyes:

[summer]

I think it's "Friends, Romans and Countrymen lend me your ears" from one of Shakespeare's plays.

Hi everyone. I'm new. :wub:

[ttcRider]

I think it's "Friends, Romans and Countrymen lend me your ears" from one of Shakespeare's plays.

Hi everyone. I'm new. :wub:

Summer came early this year!! :wink:
Welcome to the boards Summer.

[legalmania]

Well Caylee my little angel it's time for me to say goodnight, and dedicate a song for you. We all love your little face and miss your little laugh. Go play there are a lot of good souls all around you. Justice is yours baby girl.

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[ttcRider]

I don't remember the details, but I think she lets down her hair out a window so some dude can use it as a ladder to climb up to her in her tower. :loveeyes:

whats the creep factor on that one?? No wonder Oma was trying to scare me!! :laugh:

[legalmania]

I think it's "Friends, Romans and Countrymen lend me your ears" from one of Shakespeare's plays.

Hi everyone. I'm new. :wub:

Thanks that would have kept me up trying to remember. I guess Mike Tyson took that way to seriously.

[Repunzel]

Welcome to the boards! :seeya: This is a great board and I think you will love it here. Glad to have you posting w/us.:smile:

Thank you....thank you!!!

[summer]

Summer came early this year!! :wink:
Welcome to the boards Summer.

Thanks ttc! I've been reading here for a while and you're all so gently funny and adorable I decided to sign up. :)

[Repunzel]

I think its 'Let down your golden hair' haha

That's the one!!!
:tonguewag::tonguewag::tonguewag:
I love that little icon...LOL

[101Spots]

I think it's "Friends, Romans and Countrymen lend me your ears" from one of Shakespeare's plays.

Hi everyone. I'm new. :wub:

Julius Ceasar.

Hi, Summer. I'm old. :seeya:

[crimeq]

Well, Mark Klaas on NG just gave some credence to the A's behavior in removing the memorials at the dump site, by saying he hated the site where Polly was recovered. Argh.

So why don't the Ants just go public and explain that it hurts them to remember that place, ask the people not to leave memorials there, and set up an appropriate place for people to pay homage to Caylee's memory? Why do they go like criminals, under cover of darkness, to tear down and destroy what well-meaning people have left in memory of their murdered granddaughter?

It's NOT THAT HARD!

[crimeq]

Next on NG - a handwriting analyst analyzes the OC's handwriting.

imo

Oh good, I've been curious about this :-)

[legalmania]

Hmm, surveillance video from Amscot may be interesting. Could Casey have used the dumpster at Amscot? Did she drive the car into the parking lot or did 2 guys push in to the lot as Casey reported? Cindy said Casey told her she left a note on the car. Did she?

jmo

And another thing in three days nobody parked next to that car and smelled something? or didn't the person running the register go out to the car and try to see who it belonged to? Wouldn't they have been a witness to a note? Or people pushing a car?

[saywhat04]

Julius Ceasar.

Hi, Summer. I'm old. :seeya:

You may be old, but you're a gen-u-wine HOOT! :laugh:

(Welcome, summer. :smile:)

[Pruddennce]

That's weird, death is a smell you just can't miss when I'm driving I can smell it.

Casey had detergent in her car. I believe she did some wash. (the domestic goddess she is, at least in front of Tony and friends).....

The pants in the car: I think they were tossed in the back of the car the end of May, the last time she claimed "WORK NITE" and went to the 'anything but clothes party'....which Cindy found out about and confronted her about. (Casey told Amy about her mother finding the pic on the computer). She was babysitting caylee that nite and was livid that Casey lied (imagine that).

Secondly, the date mixup:

Cindy states she stayed overnite in Mt Dora (with her mother), on the 7th of June, came home the 8th. She claims Caylee was home with her on the 9th, she was NOT out all nite with Casey. But she doesnt say Casey wasnt out all nite.

Reason for that lie: because there was a blowup, and she doesnt want to talk about it. two blowups, one more significant than the other.....she returns with caylee after her overnite stay at Ricardo's on the 9th....but on the 15th she does not.

Cindy lied outright about the 9th because in her mind, she was covering up the fact they were at odds. she didnt want LE to 'catch on' as to why Casey left the house on the 9th with Caylee and didnt return all nite.

then, well, Cindy begins the tale of Nanny et al and her travels as told to her by the literary master, Casey......its quite a disconnect since she outright lied about Caylee being out overnite on the 9th.

and so the coverup begins.....

http://www.wftv.com/video/17565512/index.html

it should be noted it WAS an exhausting exercise in deception....Cindy trying her best to avoid the erroneous weekend of June 8th as being the last time she saw Caylee...well, it was a similar situation....SHE LEFT on the 9th and Cindy had no clue where she was......she returned for a few more days with caylee, Cindy was able to take Caylee for the day on the 15th, (last time) and she never returned.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[saywhat04]

So why don't the Ants just go public and explain that it hurts them to remember that place, ask the people not to leave memorials there, and set up an appropriate place for people to pay homage to Caylee's memory? Why do they go like criminals, under cover of darkness, to tear down and destroy what well-meaning people have left in memory of their murdered granddaughter?

It's NOT THAT HARD!

It is when you consider everyone outside the doors of your home the enemy, and when you're arrogant and feel superior to all the maggots, parasites and leeches.

To ask honestly and politely would indicate respect for others. That's not how they do things at the House of Anthony.

[crimeq]

I think its 'Let down your golden hair' haha

Or, Kookie, Kookie, lend me your comb! Now that goes back ....

[101Spots]

You may be old, but you're a gen-u-wine HOOT! :laugh:

(Welcome, summer. :smile:)

Awww, thanks. :blushing:

Gen-u-wine, huh? ..........um, wine.......... BRB. I'm suddenly thirsty.

[ttcRider]

Awww, thanks. :blushing:

Gen-u-wine, huh? ..........um, wine.......... BRB. I'm suddenly thirsty.

Since you're up.... :wub:

[sunstar]

If there are any men posting on the board, I apologize.

IMO, a woman would notice, a man would assume the odor was coming from the dumpster and never give it a second thought.

I think that's exactly what happened. Also, by the time GA picked up the car at the tow yard, it had been sitting out in the hot sun for two more weeks and the odor had gotten stronger, imo.

[legalmania]

Awww, thanks. :blushing:

Gen-u-wine, huh? ..........um, wine.......... BRB. I'm suddenly thirsty.

Ya but can you turn water into wine?

[Repunzel]

Actually it was suppose to be Rapunzel...I didn't notice in all the excitement of joining the board...can someone change it???

:sad::sad::sad:

[101Spots]

Casey had detergent in her car. I believe she did some wash. (the domestic goddess she is, at least in front of Tony and friends).....

The pants in the car: I think they were tossed in the back of the car the end of May, the last time she claimed "WORK NITE" and went to the 'anything but clothes party'....which Cindy found out about and confronted her about. (Casey told Amy about her mother finding the pic on the computer). She was babysitting caylee that nite and was livid that Casey lied (imagine that).

Secondly, the date mixup:

Cindy states she stayed overnite in Mt Dora (with her mother), on the 7th of June, came home the 8th. She claims Caylee was home with her on the 9th, she was NOT out all nite with Casey. But she doesnt say Casey wasnt out all nite.

Reason for that lie: because there was a blowup, and she doesnt want to talk about it. two blowups, one more significant than the other.....she returns with caylee after her overnite stay at Ricardo's on the 9th....but on the 15th she does not.

Cindy lied outright about the 9th because in her mind, she was covering up the fact they were at odds. she didnt want LE to 'catch on' as to why Casey left the house on the 9th with Caylee and didnt return all nite.

then, well, Cindy begins the tale of Nanny et al and her travels as told to her by the literary master, Casey......its quite a disconnect since she outright lied about Caylee being out overnite on the 9th.

and so the coverup begins.....

http://www.wftv.com/video/17565512/index.html

it should be noted it WAS an exhausting exercise in deception....Cindy trying her best to avoid the erroneous weekend of June 8th as being the last time she saw Caylee...well, it was a similar situation....SHE LEFT on the 9th and Cindy had no clue where she was......she returned for a few more days with caylee, Cindy was able to take Caylee for the day on the 15th, (last time) and she never returned.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on ma
ggot evidence.....*

I believe this was what Lee was referring to when he asked Casey "Is this like the last time?"

[101Spots]

Since you're up.... :wub:

Here you are. Full glass OK, I assume?

[legalmania]

Actually it was suppose to be Rapunzel...I didn't notice in all the excitement of joining the board...can someone change it???

:sad::sad::sad:
Sorry Repunzel you don't know yet I have a certain weirdness there is no cure.

[101Spots]

Ya but can you turn water into wine?

Sure. A few grapes, a little yeast, some sugar.......

Oh, you meant instantly? Nope, not my department.

[Repunzel]

Sorry Repunzel you don't know yet I have a certain weirdness there is no cure.

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll pay...I promise!!!!

[legalmania]

Actually it was suppose to be Rapunzel...I didn't notice in all the excitement of joining the board...can someone change it???

:sad::sad::sad:

You're only five in you can either re-register or ask CW if it's open.

[101Spots]

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll pay...I promise!!!!


**NEVER** say that aloud. The Milsteads might be listening. Soon you'll see flashing lights in your rear-view mirror, then......... <shudder>

[legalmania]

Sure. A few grapes, a little yeast, some sugar.......

Oh, you meant instantly? Nope, not my department.

I think the department of Agriculture handles it now.

[saywhat04]

Actually it was suppose to be Rapunzel...I didn't notice in all the excitement of joining the board...can someone change it???

:sad::sad:

Nope. No worries. :smile:

[Chardonnay]

**NEVER** say that aloud. The Milsteads might be listening. Soon you'll see flashing lights in your rear-view mirror, then......... <shudder>

101... You always crack me up !!!! Can you share your funny pills with me!!

You guys were right about the handwriting guy, we all knew that about KC along time ago.. Also, NG didn't want to hear MK say he didn't like Polly's memorial site. I can understand. But the Ant's didn't have to drive by Caylee's. No place for them to go in that direction.

[Rapunzel]

**NEVER** say that aloud. The Milsteads might be listening. Soon you'll see flashing lights in your rear-view mirror, then......... <shudder>

Your right...I think I see them coming...yep...they heard about money changing hands....

OK Fixed...happy, happy, joy, joy...
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[Dells]

I think it's "Friends, Romans and Countrymen lend me your ears" from one of Shakespeare's plays.

Hi everyone. I'm new. :wub:

Welcome to the boards! :seeya: Glad to have you here posting w/us!

[legalmania]

Ut oh their here gotta go: oh my gosh is that Jeffery Dahmer in the video




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[101Spots]

Your right...I think I see them coming...yep...they heard about money changing hands....

OK Fixed...happy, happy, joy, joy...
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Hey, I found your happy dance on youtube.

Happy Dance (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/thhappy-dance.gif)

You're cute in overalls.

[saywhat04]

Your right...I think I see them coming...yep...they heard about money changing hands....

OK Fixed...happy, happy, joy, joy...
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Oh, cool! Way to go!

[Rapunzel]

Hey, I found your happy dance on youtube.

Happy Dance (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/thhappy-dance.gif)

You're cute in overalls.


Yeah, but that's a really bad picture of me...:smile::smile::smile:

[101Spots]

Morning is scheduled to come early tomorrow, so I'm off. Night all!

:seeya:

[Rapunzel]

Night Spots...thanks for your help...not...just kidding...good to meet ya!!!

[seeing_eye]

Actually it was suppose to be Rapunzel...I didn't notice in all the excitement of joining the board...can someone change it???

:sad::sad:

Welcome to the board, Repunzel. I don't know if there is a way to change your nic, but I don't think you need to. We all know what you meant.

BTW, I've been on other message boards and I think this is the best one. We have really good people here (and funny ones too). Well, come to think of it, we occasionally have 1 or 2 not so good, but haven't seen too much of them lately. :scared:

[crimeq]

whats the creep factor on that one?? No wonder Oma was trying to scare me!! :laugh:

Traditional fairy tales are scary; Grimm's are scary and grim. Nightmare stuff, wooooooooooooo :scared:

[cassidy]

Or, Kookie, Kookie, lend me your comb! Now that goes back ....

77 Sunset Strip !
Are we playing trivia or is there nothing new in this case?

Can we expect another doc dump anytime soon?

[Rapunzel]

Welcome to the board, Repunzel. I don't know if there is a way to change your nic, but I don't think you need to. We all know what you meant.

BTW, I've been on other message boards and I think this is the best one. We have really good people here (and funny ones too). Well, come to think of it, we occasionally have 1 or 2 not so good, but haven't seen too much of them lately. :scared:


Thanks...I kind of have a warped sense of humor also...
I got it changed just registered again with my other email...

[Rapunzel]

Traditional fairy tales are scary; Grimm's are scary and grim. Nightmare stuff, wooooooooooooo :scared:


Sorry, didn't mean to scare you.....BOO!!!!!!!!

[seeing_eye]

Handwritng analyst on NG - regarding the OC's handwriting:

Spacial picture extremenly crowded. No space between lines and words. Suggests this is a woman who does not have clear boundaries and cannot see the reality of others. Look at the oversized letters in the small space allowed...narcissist. Lives in own fantasy world. Makes up own rules. Cannot understand the difference between right and wrong.

imo

<Bolding mine>

Does that mean this handwriting analyzer is saying Casey is legally insane and doesn't know right from wrong? :scared: I sure hope not!

[summer4meplz]

I think it's "Friends, Romans and Countrymen lend me your ears" from one of Shakespeare's plays.

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welcome summer........:biggrin:

[crimeq]

77 Sunset Strip !
Are we playing trivia or is there nothing new in this case?

Can we expect another doc dump anytime soon?

:lol::lol: Doc dump would be very good for all of us.

[Rapunzel]

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Does that mean this handwriting analyzer is saying Casey is legally insane and doesn't know right from wrong? :scared: I sure hope not!

Even if that were true...to late for that defense.

[Rapunzel]

I can see the court using hand writing experts for comparing samples of KC's handwriting, but not her mental state.

[crimeq]

I can see the court using hand writing experts for comparing samples of KC's handwriting, but not her mental state.

Emphasis on this board seems to be that we all knew about Casey what the handwriting expert said about her writing--and that's true, we've been analyzing Casey since Day 31.

The handwriting analyst probably hasn't focused on Casey 24/7 like we do here, so I think the analysis is valid.

Or the handwriting analyst has been reading here :mellow:

[Rapunzel]

Emphasis on this board seems to be that we all knew about Casey what the handwriting expert said about her writing--and that's true, we've been analyzing Casey since Day 31.

The handwriting analyst probably hasn't focused on Casey 24/7 like we do here, so I think the analysis is valid.

Or the handwriting analyst has been reading here :mellow:


I think the latter...LOL

[Amy]

I know this has been discussed but the prosecution has to put Casey and Caylee in that car at the same time, what proof does the prosecution have that Caylee was with Casey through June 27? Doesn't the phone records lose her for a couple of days?

I'm a bit behind, so this has probably already been addressed. Caylee wasn't with Casey thru June 27. She was killed late the 15th or sometime on the 16th, toted around in the car a couple of days until the smell of her body decomposing became too much for her mom who then dumped her. That would have taken her to June 18 or 19, but not thru June 27.

[Amy]

I think it was just the stress of the whole situation and remembering the smell that made him sick enough to vomit

George went to LE that day without Lee or Cindy knowing, LE told him they were going to release some tapes to the public and asked him if he wanted to listen to them first and did he want Lee there. He did and LE called Lee asked him to come down and pretended that they had called George also. George got sick while they were waiting for Lee. I think the tapes were the 911 calls and perhaps the phone call from Casey that first night she was arrested. for more detail this is in the July 24 interview with George, Yuri Melich and John Allen.

I always tho't his wanting to vomit was with his remembering the smell as he was talking to the detectives. But, that's just how I remember it.

[Amy]

Jane Velez-Mitchell lwill be covering the stolen cross episode. Can't wait to hear this one.

Also they brought up the fact that Casey losing it when she heard about the recovery would help the DEFENSE as it showed emotion. They are right about that so why is Baez fighting so hard????

I don't think it will help the defense. I am sure the prosecution (if they even plan to use it) would show the difference between Dec 11 and the time it was shown on tv about bones being found in Blanchard Park. Absolutely no reaction to the Blanchard Park episode. But, on Dec 11, before there was any proof of ID, even before there was anything but speculation on the part of the press about whether these were human bones, bones of a small child--she was reacting in a big way.

If I were to compare the two episodes as a juror, I'm pretty sure I would think, hmmm, no reaction to the first report. Big reaction to second report, before particulars could be addressed by LE---seems that she KNOWS whose "remains" would be found there!!!! IMO

[Amy]

Maybe Casey's clothes weren't IN the car when the body was. Could she have left them at Tony's? Cindy, with a background in nursing would probably have a good idea of how to get rid of that odor.

They don't teach us about removing dead body odor in nursing school. If the person dies in the hospital, the body isn't around long enough to permeate every thing. If a decomposed body is found, it goes to the morgue, not to the hospital proper nor a clinic, so the nurses do not have to know how to get rid of that smell. Even the nurses in Home Health don't, their job does not include cleaning the house after a patient has died.

[Dick Tracy]

Maybe Casey's clothes weren't IN the car when the body was. Could she have left them at Tony's? Cindy, with a background in nursing would probably have a good idea of how to get rid of that odor.

According to what I've been reading, IT'S REALLY HARD to get rid of that odor. The car smelled with or without Caylee's decomposing body in the trunk.

[Dick Tracy]

New Member here...I have followed this case since the first batch of 911 calls by Cindy...I know you've prolly heard that one before...but honestly I have...so hopefully I won't ask a bunch of stupid questions.

Have been on a couple other boards and they have either gone clicky or they seldom talk about the case...I know it has been slow but...

As you may be able to tell from my name...I am blonde...so don't be to hard on me...:wink::wink::wink:

Well as I recall right, Blondes have more fun, right?
Welcome to the Board!

[Amy]

Handwritng analyst on NG - regarding the OC's handwriting:

Spacial picture extremenly crowded. No space between lines and words. Suggests this is a woman who does not have clear boundaries and cannot see the reality of others. Look at the oversized letters in the small space allowed...narcissist. Lives in own fantasy world. Makes up own rules. Cannot understand the difference between right and wrong.

imo

I watched him. I think he lives in an ivory tower somewhere. A person who does not know right from wrong does not know s/he should cover up for the crime committed. If she didn't know that a dead Caylee was wrong on all accounts, she would have sauntered up to her parents' house, tell Cindy Caylee's in the car, and let Cindy or George go to get a dead Caylee. Or, when Cindy would call, she'd say, well, Caylee is.....wherever she died....go ahead and go pick her up. Nope--she hid Caylee where she tho't no one would find her, and lived up her life, lying to her mom about who was taking care of Caylee. IMO

I hope the A's and everyone on "the team" and anyone associated w/them, like the Milstead were all doing something else and didnt catch that episode. That's all Baez would need.....oh, I just had a tho't---wonder if this fellow will become the latest person to join "the team"

[Dick Tracy]

I think it's "Friends, Romans and Countrymen lend me your ears" from one of Shakespeare's plays.

Hi everyone. I'm new. :wub:

Welcome to the INSESSION Board Summer. :drool: