Laurean said, "I loved her." (Maria)

[bkwits]

When he was arrested in Mexico, Cesar Laurean, when asked if he killed Maria, said "I loved her."

He has been quoted as saying that to more than one person, hasn't he?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/16/marine.slaying/

[GentleBreeze]

When he was arrested in Mexico, Cesar Laurean, when asked if he killed Maria, said "I loved her."

He has been quoted as saying that to more than one person, hasn't he?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/16/marine.slaying/

I am not sure what you mean. He told the media that were there during his arrest. Who else has he told other than that one time?

imo

[GentleBreeze]

From the link above.

"At the time, a Mexican reporter asked Laurean whether he had killed Lauterbach."

[bkwits]

From the link above.

"At the time, a Mexican reporter asked Laurean whether he had killed Lauterbach."


Yes, it was an associated press reporter. I was thinking he told LE in Onslow County also, but I am prob mistaken on that.

Anyway, he seems to have been 'carrying a torch" for Maria, whether or not she cared for him.

IMO

[GentleBreeze]

#138 06-06-2009, 12:04 PM
Lyndawitha"Y
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Mississauga,Canada
Posts: 5,209

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleBreeze
Well there are other sites besides this one that do still discuss it. There is still no evidence that he cheated and the media was very focused on this case for months. Long enough to certainly nose around and uncover it. Just like in over a year and a half there is no proof that he had sexual contact with Maria.
Marines are to love their fellow Marines as a sister or brother.

imo

No proof..hum..We haven't had a trial yet have we?...No, so of course us public don't have proof...

Having said that tho, it really isn't a giant leap to speculate some of these accusations of cheating..or had some sort of relationship with Maria. If he was a squared away marine, loyal to his wife..good father and honourable man...then ya just have to ask...Why would he behave this way, beating a women with child to death..bury them in his backyard, burn them up??? flea the country leaving his wife and child behind????Frankly, I see most these actions as "Consiousness of Guilt"..or else why??? Is he just a sicko..enjoys such activities??

Im not here to argue whether he was baby's father..he wasn't, as it is now proven by dna..the BIG BUT tho, was what he thought or felt when he did the deed... Just my outside and objective view point..

LMS
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That is the point that we have not reached yet. We do not know if he beat her as you say and there wasn't a beating to begin with, imo. A beating means multiple repeated blows. The ME said Maria died from blunt force trauma not multiple blunt force trauma and the autopsy drawings show that she was struck once to the side of the head.

Until the trial is held and all evidence entered then we will not know the answers to any of this. I think he knew completely the child wasn't is. He has his own child and he knows how long a pregnancy last and she had already recanted the due date way back the first of November over a month before she came to his home.

If he had wanted to burn Maria up then he would not have put dirt over her body first and then made a bonfire on top of it and only have two bonfires throughout the entire time. Maria's weight was still substantial when found. Hudson and Brown both said her charred remains were found. LE can be seen when they are heaving to try to get her up and out of the makeshift grave. Even the State has not charged him with desecrating a body.

So I am just going to wait on this case. I have always felt there are many things unknown and until they are known it really remains a mystery to me as to what really happened, by whom and why. I sure don't think it was premeditated. No one plans out to make sure they murder their victim in their very home with their wife expected home soon and they sure don't panic and bury the body in the backyard when the Marine base has 156,000 acres there and a lot of it remote at his beckoning call.

This case is interesting to me due to the fact that I just do not see first degree murder in this case so I am very interested in seeing what McNeil's theory is going to be and if Laurean testifies in his own behalf since he has no priors before these charges.

imo

[Lyndawitha"Y]

#138 06-06-2009, 12:04 PM
Lyndawitha"Y
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Mississauga,Canada
Posts: 5,209

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleBreeze
Well there are other sites besides this one that do still discuss it. There is still no evidence that he cheated and the media was very focused on this case for months. Long enough to certainly nose around and uncover it. Just like in over a year and a half there is no proof that he had sexual contact with Maria.
Marines are to love their fellow Marines as a sister or brother.

imo

No proof..hum..We haven't had a trial yet have we?...No, so of course us public don't have proof...

Having said that tho, it really isn't a giant leap to speculate some of these accusations of cheating..or had some sort of relationship with Maria. If he was a squared away marine, loyal to his wife..good father and honourable man...then ya just have to ask...Why would he behave this way, beating a women with child to death..bury them in his backyard, burn them up??? flea the country leaving his wife and child behind????Frankly, I see most these actions as "Consiousness of Guilt"..or else why??? Is he just a sicko..enjoys such activities??

Im not here to argue whether he was baby's father..he wasn't, as it is now proven by dna..the BIG BUT tho, was what he thought or felt when he did the deed... Just my outside and objective view point..

LMS
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That is the point that we have not reached yet. We do not know if he beat her as you say and there wasn't a beating to begin with, imo. A beating means multiple repeated blows. The ME said Maria died from blunt force trauma not multiple blunt force trauma and the autopsy drawings show that she was struck once to the side of the head.
Until the trial is held and all evidence entered then we will not know the answers to any of this. I think he knew completely the child wasn't is. He has his own child and he knows how long a pregnancy last and she had already recanted the due date way back the first of November over a month before she came to his home.

If he had wanted to burn Maria up then he would not have put dirt over her body first and then made a bonfire on top of it and only have two bonfires throughout the entire time. Maria's weight was still substantial when found. Hudson and Brown both said her charred remains were found. LE can be seen when they are heaving to try to get her up and out of the makeshift grave. Even the State has not charged him with desecrating a body.

So I am just going to wait on this case. I have always felt there are many things unknown and until they are known it really remains a mystery to me as to what really happened, by whom and why. I sure don't think it was premeditated. No one plans out to make sure they murder their victim in their very home with their wife expected home soon and they sure don't panic and bury the body in the backyard when the Marine base has 156,000 acres there and a lot of it remote at his beckoning call.

This case is interesting to me due to the fact that I just do not see first degree murder in this case so I am very interested in seeing what McNeil's theory is going to be and if Laurean testifies in his own behalf since he has no priors before these charges.

imo

Underlining..to respond, gentle.....I guess I only recall from so so long ago..that in Cesar's house that blood had been detected on the walls..( painted over..by the house-owners..aka Laurean's)..I could be wrong..but blood splatter doesnt occur with just plain strangulation..so just maybe I assumed some sort of beating..Geesh she died from whatever assault..why split hairs at this point??
I am just asking???..WE do not have testimony..we dont have a trial yet..but what we do have is one dead female nearly full-term pregnant Marine..dead..buried shallowly..covered..and burned by fire..apparantly with fellow friends and marines in attendance...

Please try not to be so reactive..My point of my post was..those claiming evidence or not evidence..and I commented on "Consciousness of Guilt Behaviors"...take it or leave it..it certainly isnt Controversial..is it????..at least IMO

LMS
Now I get why the last thread was locked..

[bkwits]

Underlining..to respond, gentle.....I guess I only recall from so so long ago..that in Cesar's house that blood had been detected on the walls..( painted over..by the house-owners..aka Laurean's)..I could be wrong..but blood splatter doesnt occur with just plain strangulation..so just maybe I assumed some sort of beating..Geesh she died from whatever assault..why split hairs at this point??
I am just asking???..WE do not have testimony..we dont have a trial yet..but what we do have is one dead female nearly full-term pregnant Marine..dead..buried shallowly..covered..and burned by fire..apparantly with fellow friends and marines in attendance...

Please try not to be so reactive..My point of my post was..those claiming evidence or not evidence..and I commented on "Consciousness of Guilt Behaviors"...take it or leave it..it certainly isnt Controversial..is it????..at least IMO

LMS
Now I get why the last thread was locked..

I'll have to look whether it was one blow or several, but he did also cut her throat. He said (to his wife or in the note, IIRC) that she cut her own throat. Forensic investigators say that was impossible for her to do so.

IMO, there was a relationship between Cesar and Maria, whether the sex was consensual or not. I also surmise that Cesar was obsessed with Maria.

IMO

[baywench]

#138 06-06-2009, 12:04 PM
Lyndawitha"Y
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Mississauga,Canada
Posts: 5,209

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleBreeze
Well there are other sites besides this one that do still discuss it. There is still no evidence that he cheated and the media was very focused on this case for months. Long enough to certainly nose around and uncover it. Just like in over a year and a half there is no proof that he had sexual contact with Maria.
Marines are to love their fellow Marines as a sister or brother.

imo

No proof..hum..We haven't had a trial yet have we?...No, so of course us public don't have proof...

Having said that tho, it really isn't a giant leap to speculate some of these accusations of cheating..or had some sort of relationship with Maria. If he was a squared away marine, loyal to his wife..good father and honourable man...then ya just have to ask...Why would he behave this way, beating a women with child to death..bury them in his backyard, burn them up??? flea the country leaving his wife and child behind????Frankly, I see most these actions as "Consiousness of Guilt"..or else why??? Is he just a sicko..enjoys such activities??

Im not here to argue whether he was baby's father..he wasn't, as it is now proven by dna..the BIG BUT tho, was what he thought or felt when he did the deed... Just my outside and objective view point..

LMS
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That is the point that we have not reached yet. We do not know if he beat her as you say and there wasn't a beating to begin with, imo. A beating means multiple repeated blows. The ME said Maria died from blunt force trauma not multiple blunt force trauma and the autopsy drawings show that she was struck once to the side of the head.

Until the trial is held and all evidence entered then we will not know the answers to any of this. I think he knew completely the child wasn't is. He has his own child and he knows how long a pregnancy last and she had already recanted the due date way back the first of November over a month before she came to his home.

If he had wanted to burn Maria up then he would not have put dirt over her body first and then made a bonfire on top of it and only have two bonfires throughout the entire time. Maria's weight was still substantial when found. Hudson and Brown both said her charred remains were found. LE can be seen when they are heaving to try to get her up and out of the makeshift grave. Even the State has not charged him with desecrating a body.

So I am just going to wait on this case. I have always felt there are many things unknown and until they are known it really remains a mystery to me as to what really happened, by whom and why. I sure don't think it was premeditated. No one plans out to make sure they murder their victim in their very home with their wife expected home soon and they sure don't panic and bury the body in the backyard when the Marine base has 156,000 acres there and a lot of it remote at his beckoning call.

This case is interesting to me due to the fact that I just do not see first degree murder in this case so I am very interested in seeing what McNeil's theory is going to be and if Laurean testifies in his own behalf since he has no priors before these charges.

imo

Although the circumstances leading up to the murder are not considered relevant by some, I must disagree. This situation did not just spontaneously combust...imo it was a long, simmering fire that for whatever reason exploded on that night. So many emotions and so much stress on all three of them. I hope we learn in the trial what reallly happened. I am not all convinced that Christina didn't do it or have a part in it. No way did she not know after the fact. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Underlining..to respond, gentle.....I guess I only recall from so so long ago..that in Cesar's house that blood had been detected on the walls..( painted over..by the house-owners..aka Laurean's)..I could be wrong..but blood splatter doesn't occur with just plain strangulation..so just maybe I assumed some sort of beating..Geesh she died from whatever assault..why split hairs at this point??
I am just asking???..WE do not have testimony..we don't have a trial yet..but what we do have is one dead female nearly full-term pregnant Marine..dead..buried shallowly..covered..and burned by fire..apparantly with fellow friends and marines in attendance...

Please try not to be so reactive..My point of my post was..those claiming evidence or not evidence..and I commented on "Consciousness of Guilt Behaviors"...take it or leave it..it certainly isn't Controversial..is it????..at least IMO

LMS
Now I get why the last thread was locked..

I am not trying to split hairs, sorry if you got that impression. The ME did not state in the autopsy that she was repeatedly struck or beaten. That is all I am saying.

No he did not strangle her that I am aware of. She died from blunt force trauma. A blow to the side of her head which would cause blood spatter.

I don't know how much blood was really there. Capt. Sutherland told Greta it would take a trained legal eye to see it. He said as a trained police officer he could see it but he doubted if his wife would.

imo

[bkwits]

I am not trying to split hairs, sorry if you got that impression. The ME did not state in the autopsy that she was repeatedly struck or beaten. That is all I am saying.

No he did not strangle her that I am aware of. She died from blunt force trauma. A blow to the side of her head which would cause blood spatter.

I don't know how much blood was really there. Capt. Sutherland told Greta it would take a trained legal eye to see it. He said as a trained police officer he could see it but he doubted if his wife would.

imo

And he cut her throat. There would be blood from that, but prob not spatter.

IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Although the circumstances leading up to the murder are not considered relevant by some, I must disagree. This situation did not just spontaneously combust...imo it was a long, simmering fire that for whatever reason exploded on that night. So many emotions and so much stress on all three of them. I hope we learn in the trial what really happened. I am not all convinced that Christina didn't do it or have a part in it. No way did she not know after the fact. jmo

ITA! I really do not know what happened that day but I do believe as you that this was months on end of pent up emotions.

I too want to know what happen. From all I have read, they never even had contact with each other after they moved Maria to another department way back in May.

Why that day?
Why go there at all, ever?
Who is the father?
Why does he still not come forward?
Why come there twice?
Why El Paso?
What ignited the explosive argument and imo I think there was one.
Was someone else there?
How could CL have done this then cleaned it all up, discarded the body, vehicle and cleaned himself up and not even be home when Christina arrived home at 7 pm?

and on and on..........:confused::shrug:

imo

[GentleBreeze]

And he cut her throat. There would be blood from that, but prob not spatter.

IMO

Do we know that was done before her death? I thought the ME could not say with any degree of medical certainty whether it happened before or after.

imo

[bkwits]

Do we know that was done before her death? I thought the ME could not say with any degree of medical certainty whether it happened before or after.

imo

Post Mortem for sure according to ME.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

morning guys..well, it seems my original post 's point got lost completely, and got side tracked on detail about type of attack, blood or no blood, about COD....
My original point was to his actions and behaviors post murder..what he did, what he said, and the likely hood of his fear that he was in fact the baby's father...which then goes to a motive...
It turns out he is NOT the father, (isnt heinsight great?) so some are now questioning if he either had a relationship, had raped her, etc...which then goes to Christina then is the bad person..asking for this..She falsely claimed she was raped..and so on....Actually, the tone by some seem to infer..hummmm"Blame the Victim"..

Sometimes typing your thoughts just doesnt get translated the way it was meant..sorry if I confused you..

LMS

[bkwits]

morning guys..well, it seems my original post 's point got lost completely, and got side tracked on detail about type of attack, blood or no blood, about COD....
My original point was to his actions and behaviors post murder..what he did, what he said, and the likely hood of his fear that he was in fact the baby's father...which then goes to a motive...
It turns out he is NOT the father, (isnt heinsight great?) so some are now questioning if he either had a relationship, had raped her, etc...which then goes to Christina then is the bad person..asking for this..She falsely claimed she was raped..and so on....Actually, the tone by some seem to infer..hummmm"Blame the Victim"..

Sometimes typing your thoughts just doesnt get translated the way it was meant..sorry if I confused you..

LMS

Yes, I got the point but got sidetracked. Sorry, but I did mention that Laurean claimed that "I loved her" referring to Maria. Regardless of and why he killed Maria (IMO he did), he actions afterward do not reflect those of a decent person, let alone one with the qualities of a good Marine.

Laurean said in his note that Maria cut her own throat. If so why didn't he stand up like a man and call 911, to get help for her?

But LE believes, and so do I, that Laurean cut her throast after she died so he could say she did it. It wasn't deep enough to kill her anywy. The cause of death was that she was bashed in the head

He did not do anything to help her. He further humiliated her by placing her body (with her unborn child) in a nasty backyard pit. Later he had a bonfire party with his friends, (hoping her body would be burned to a crisp, no doubt).

When authorities investigated Maria's disappearance, he denied, denied, denied casuing her family to be frantic as she was about to give birth (they thought).

When LE was closing in, he ran to Mexico like the coward that he is.

He left his wife and child to face the music.

Oh, I almost forgot. After he murdered Maria, he used her bank card to access funds for traveling money.

Not a nice guy, huh?
IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Post Mortem for sure according to ME.

Good day, bkwits.

Do you have a handy link for that? There was much discussion at the time that the ME gave his opinion that he "thought" it was after death but could not be certain.

IIRC, that was discussed at length at the time because anytime a ME cannot be certain it leaves open that it could have been done prior to death.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I found the autopsy report, bkwts.

The ME says the knife wound "MAY HAVE" been after death.

Anytime they state it that way they are not certain.

http://video.onset.freedom.com/jdn/jz5t7u-lauterbachautopsy.pdf

imo

[AlohaRainbow]

is there supposed to be a court appearance today?
i thought i remembered something was postponed from the end of may until june 8??

[AlohaRainbow]

yes today at 2:00

http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/47164977.html

thanks!!!!

[KittyMom]

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/5305736/

Marine facing NC murder charge appears in court
This is a pretty good site for updates.

[KittyMom]

Maybe his bulletproof vest makes him look "poofy". :glare:

[KittyMom]

Does anyone know if the military keeps a DNA database of servicemen?

[AlohaRainbow]

he did not have a bulletproof vest on his face!!!:sneaky: LOL his face even looked fatter, dontcha think?

i'm at my lunch break at work... any links to photos of today's events??

[GentleBreeze]

Does anyone know if the military keeps a DNA database of servicemen?

Yes, all of their DNA profiles are on file in Washington DC.

They use it only to be able to identify the deceased soldier/sailor or Marine should they die in an act of war.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

he did not have a bulletproof vest on his face!!!:sneaky: LOL his face even looked fatter, dontcha think?

He has put on some weight since we last saw him when he was arrested in Mexico over a year ago. He is certainly not overweight. I was surprised to see he looked in pretty good shape and he was walking very upright. I guess his old Marine Corps habits are still there in his stride.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Here is a picture of Laurean and McNeil

http://www.jdnews.com/sections/article/gallery/?pic=1&id=64680

[bkwits]

he did not have a bulletproof vest on his face!!!:sneaky: LOL his face even looked fatter, dontcha think?


Maybe the food is good in Onslow County jail. IMO

Wonder his defense will be since he pled not guilty.

[AlohaRainbow]

Here is a picture of Laurean and McNeil

http://www.jdnews.com/sections/article/gallery/?pic=1&id=64680
thanks for posting the photo
did anyone who watched the live stream notice if christine was there for the hearing?
it's such a shocking crime... wonder if mcneil will ask for a change of venue...
i'm really curious about what cesar's defense will be...

[GentleBreeze]

thanks for posting the photo
did anyone who watched the live stream notice if christine was there for the hearing?
it's such a shocking crime... wonder if mcneil will ask for a change of venue...
i'm really curious about what cesar's defense will be...

Aloha, yes he is asking for one. McNeil is wanting the New Bern area and Hudson wants it to be in Wilmington.

I am sure Christina was there unless CL asked her not to come. Since she has made it a point to see him not only in Mexico but since he has returned I have no doubt she is standing beside him as he goes through all of this.

imo

[KittyMom]

Yes, all of their DNA profiles are on file in Washington DC.

They use it only to be able to identify the deceased soldier/sailor or Marine should they die in an act of war.

imoo

I remember that the military asked for samples of the baby after the investigators were done. I'm wondering if they are trying to determine the baby's father.

[KittyMom]

he did not have a bulletproof vest on his face!!!:sneaky: LOL his face even looked fatter, dontcha think?

lol...yes, his entire body was fat. No time to run or hike it off.

[GentleBreeze]

lol...yes, his entire body was fat. No time to run or hike it off.

I didn't see where he was fat. In his military photo he has a full face.

He did seem to have broadened out through the shoulders, chest and upper arms though but I read that when he was in Mexico he kept up his workout regiment even when on the lam. Since he is lock downed 23 hours a day now I think he still does sit ups and push ups in his jail cell.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I remember that the military asked for samples of the baby after the investigators were done. I'm wondering if they are trying to determine the baby's father.

The Department of the Defense is the one that did the paternal testing on CL. Since he was still considered a Marine at the time, even when he returned, and before his discharge they would be the department to do it. Yes, you are right they are the ones that also ran the DNA profile of Gabriel, not the local ME. The Armed Services pathology department did additional tests and a second autopsy on both Maria and Gabriel.

They decided to wait until CL was back in NC before taking his DNA that proved he was not the father.

imo

[bkwits]

Aloha, yes he is asking for one. McNeil is wanting the New Bern area and Hudson wants it to be in Wilmington.

I am sure Christina was there unless CL asked her not to come. Since she has made it a point to see him not only in Mexico but since he has returned I have no doubt she is standing beside him as he goes through all of this.

imo

How romantic. It must be true love. :closedeyes:

IMO

[Ninja108]

I still don't buy that Christina knows nothing about what happened or didn't play a part in it. Call me crazy but a woman who stands by a man who raped,killed and burned someone is either just as evil as him or has a screw loose.

[Tokyo Rose]

Here is a picture of Laurean and McNeil

http://www.jdnews.com/sections/article/gallery/?pic=1&id=64680


GEEZ, from this photo does anyone think he has the mumps??:confused:

Either that or he's packing on some pounds!!:biggrin:

[Tokyo Rose]

I still don't buy that Christina knows nothing about what happened or didn't play a part in it. Call me crazy but a woman who stands by a man who raped,killed and burned someone is either just as evil as him or has a screw loose.

Maybe she does have a screw loose for continuing to love a cold blooded murderer, but she's not the one sitting in jail getting fat.:rolleyes:

You know other women have stood by their men and not been involved in their crimes. Just take a look at Bundy's wife.:scared:

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

The Department of the Defense is the one that did the paternal testing on CL. Since he was still considered a Marine at the time, even when he returned, and before his discharge they would be the department to do it. Yes, you are right they are the ones that also ran the DNA profile of Gabriel, not the local ME. The Armed Services pathology department did additional tests and a second autopsy on both Maria and Gabriel.

They decided to wait until CL was back in NC before taking his DNA that proved he was not the father.

imo

I've posted this a few times before that the state served a warrant on Cesar when he returned for his DNA.

Those test results are not released and are probably for use at trial.

jmo

[dgfred]

GEEZ, from this photo does anyone think he has the mumps??:confused:

Either that or he's packing on some pounds!!:biggrin:

Hope it's not the 'swine flu' :scared: , he was down in the ignition country.

[GentleBreeze]

GEEZ, from this photo does anyone think he has the mumps??:confused:

Either that or he's packing on some pounds!!:biggrin:

Doesn't look that much different than when he was in the Marine Corps before he went to Mexico imo. The loose fitting jumpsuit makes him look heavier. I bet he is still working out in his jail cell. He has broaden quite a bit through his shoulders.

Now he has gained some of his weight back since his arrest in Mexico but then he needed to add on a few pounds. He looked gaunt when they first arrested him there. Maybe Mexico fed him well.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I've posted this a few times before that the state served a warrant on Cesar when he returned for his DNA.

Those test results are not released and are probably for use at trial.

jmo

Kitty was talking about the baby's DNA profile and Laurean's DNA and both were done by the DOD.

"I remember that the military asked for samples of the baby after the investigators were done. I'm wondering if they are trying to determine the baby's father." Quote:KittyMom
__________________

mo

[GentleBreeze]

Here is another picture of Laurean.

http://www.jdnews.com/sections/article/gallery/?pic=1&id=63729

[dgfred]

Dang, he sure isn't some big strapping Marine is he?

[Tokyo Rose]

Dang, he sure isn't some big strapping Marine is he?

He's more like a little chubby dough boy. I still don't believe Maria would have had anything to do with him. With all the good looking, single military men on a base, why would she?? I would think she would want someone in a unit with prestige like special operations.

I bet that made Cesar really want her when she turned him down. I think he became obsessed with her. She was so pretty.

JMO

[bkwits]

He's more like a little chubby dough boy. I still don't believe Maria would have had anything to do with him. With all the good looking, single military men on a base, why would she?? I would think she would want someone in a unit with prestige like special operations.

I bet that made Cesar really want her when she turned him down. I think he became obsessed with her. She was so pretty.

JMO

Well, I also think that Cesar was probably obsessed with Maria. Cesar has said that Maria asked him for money to be able to go to El Paso. The big mystery is -- why was she going to El Paso?

I think the defining fact is that Cesar killed Maria and buried her in HIS backyard. From what I have read about stalker obsessions, they like to keep the victims close to them in order to control the victim (even after death). IMO

[Tokyo Rose]

Maybe she told Cesar she was going to El Paso to be with another man, and asked for some money to help her with the trip. After all, he owes her for letting him off the hook on the rape charges when she leaves. She could have signed her death warrant when she told him that. If he couldn't have her no one could, so he killed her and buried her close to him in his back yard.

JMO

[bkwits]

Maybe she told Cesar she was going to El Paso to be with another man, and asked for some money to help her with the trip. After all, he owes her for letting him off the hook on the rape charges when she leaves. She could have signed her death warrant when she told him that. If he couldn't have her no one could, so he killed her and buried her close to him in his back yard.

JMO

I don't know about the other man, but I think just the fact that she was leaving was enough to set him off. I do believe that Cesar raped her. She did report the rape BEFORE she was pregnant so that wasn't the reason that she said rape. Many rape victims convince themselves that they brought this on themselves, especially if it is an acquaintance rape. Maybe Maria felt safer with Cesar since she was months pregnant. Surely no one would rape a very, very pregnant woman ---WRONG. Cesar fantasized about pregnant women (or woman). I truly think that Cesar was obsessed with Maria. When caught he said he "loved her."

IMO

[Beau Zach]

Maybe she told Cesar she was going to El Paso to be with another man, and asked for some money to help her with the trip. After all, he owes her for letting him off the hook on the rape charges when she leaves. She could have signed her death warrant when she told him that. If he couldn't have her no one could, so he killed her and buried her close to him in his back yard.

JMO

This sounds very plausible. I think you have probably hit the nail on the head.