6/6 to 6/8

[aproudmom]

One Timeline I give up they all have different times

They are also asking that the driver of a box-style green minivan seen at Hollywood Elementary School between the hours of 6 and 7 p.m. contact authorities. Both drivers are considered possible witnesses in the kidnapping case.

The FBI joined local authorities in Monroe,Michigan for the search of 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchanan. The girl was reported missing around 8 p.m. on Sunday, May 24.

The Monroe County Sheriff's Office issued an Amber Alert at 8:15 p.m.


Wish they had ask him the time he got the call but they can pull cell records and sure they are or have already
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090604/NEWS02/906040366/0/SPORTS04

MONROE — After getting a phone call from distraught Jennifer Buchanan telling him that her daughter, Nevaeh, was missing, George Kennedy said he immediately went to the girl's North Macomb Street neighborhood to look for the 5-year-old.

He said he had used the car of his girlfriend's mother to take friends to the county inmate dormitory about 7:15 p.m. May 24 to visit their friend. He said he went to the motel and to a nearby gas station, where he believes he appeared on video. He went back to the dormitory and took his friends to their home.


8 or 8:30 can someone get the time right ya think
Nevaeh was reported missing about 8:30 p.m. :confused:

May 24 after her mother, Jennifer Buchanan, 24, couldn't find her in their apartment parking lot, where she was last seen playing on a scooter.

[n/t]

man who found Nevaeh full interview 9 minutes he said the sides were hard as a rock only the middle was able to chip away at..really starting to get to him now..I hope he gets some help from a pastor or someone grown men hurt also and he said it all it is finally hitting him.:sad:

http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=10486200&nav=menu34_2
Fishermen very distraught who found girl's body

I saw him on NG last night and he choked up a couple of times. When he recalled his own children being Nevaeh's age and putting them on the school bus on their first day of kindergarten, I started to bawl.

Nevaeh will never get to ride a school bus or walk with her friends to school on that first day of kindergarten. So very sad. :rose:

[Mel]

I hope I'm not repeating something posted earlier since I haven't read back through the whole thread, but check this out! :scared:

"Investigators returned to the steep river's edge Friday to look for more evidence.

The FBI said some type of cement was found on top of the body, which appeared to be buried in a shallow grave.

"It's a little more sophisticated than just dumping a body," said Andrew Arena, the lead FBI Investigator in the case,.

A key piece of evidence collected at the site is a 90-pound bag of cement.

Only a few stores in the area sell 90-pound bags of cement. The Kuhlman Cement Company, which is located behind the home of the person of interest George Kennedy, sells 90-pound bags of cement.

Also, it appears that the fence outside the cement company was recently cut."

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19662141/detail.html

:ohmy:

this, along with a screwy timeline - i don't know what to think anymore

[Mel]

I am sure it was not 2 hours she waited to call LE. I thought it was about a half hour after looking?

i thought it was 45 minutes, also...i'm completely confused now...if Nevaeh actually went missing around 6:30 pm, then i think GK has an alibi at that time....wonder what Roy Lee Smith was doing around 6:30 pm.....

it doesn't make sense to wait an hour & 45 minutes, to call LE, imo...:confused:

[aproudmom]

Sorry if this is a repost guess I could be reading way to much into this statement why would anyone have a vendetta of the family:confused:


Ms. Lawson wished the killer would have attacked one of the adult family members if Nevaeh's slaying was the result of some vendetta.

Sixteen sheets of paper were separately attached to the memorial's awning yesterday. Each are copies of the same message, asking why Michigan doesn't have the death penalty.

Many believe Nevaeh suffered the fate of a demented killer who may still be on the loose.

"I don't know how to take it," Mr. Lawson said. "It would take one of the most sickest, disturbed people out there to take a 5-year-old, kill her, and encase her in concrete."

Though it's unclear if the girl was molested, Mr. Lawson said he and other family members would gladly testify on behalf of stronger laws for sex offenders.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090606/NEWS16/906060377

Authorities said concrete covered the body in a shallow grave, but the body was not encased in the substance

Mr. Bickley kicked loose the fresh concrete he had been standing on to discover a patch of a child's skin.

Mr. Bickley said he used his shoe to loosen the concrete he had been standing on while casting from the bank. He said concrete covered about a 2 1/2-feet by about 1 1/2-feet area that was about a foot from the water.

"It was almost like somebody poured it and it leveled. It was very crudely applied. At least the top of it was," he said.

They said they immediately called 911 and waited about two hours for the sheriff's detectives to arrive. They left the scene and were interviewed later Thursday night by FBI agents and investigators.

Mr. Bickley said remnants of a fire were at the fishing area, which was below a steep bank.

Both men said they saw a partially burned latex surgical glove near it.

He also recalled seeing a dark colored, small pickup parked along the road when he drove past the area two days after Nevaeh was reported missing.

Neither Sheriff Crutchfield nor Mr. Arena would discuss any evidence that was recovered.


2 1/2 feet how could that cover a child how tall was she?waited 2 hours for someone to respond fgs I figured they would have rushed there going 100 mph getting a tip like that...that had to be a horrible wait for those 2 men...omg had not heard those reports of stuff they saw has anyone else seen it reported????????I hope some one screwed up big time and left more than they thought there and they find them soon

[n/t]

The Amber Alert states:

"The child was last seen at 8:15 p.m. on 5/24/2009"

http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/servlet/AmberExternalFCServlet?act=retAmberCase&amberId=6928



But then again we have articles saying she was last seen at 6:30 pm.


Didn't GK say he was fishing with his new girlfriend? :unsure:

[n/t]

GK has a new girlfriend

Mom calls him when Nevaeh went missing. Why?

Timeline is screwy

GK's story changed from dropping off some friends to going fishing with girlfriend? When did he go fishing?

Regarding the vendetta theory posted up there by aproudmom, could it be GK was living at the home with them and grandma kicked him out. GK found JB no longer of use so he gets himself a new girlfriend but is enraged that he was kicked out and did this to Nevaeh to get back at grandma and mom?

Was mom trying to soften him up when she said he was like a father figure to Nevaeh in hopes that he would not harm her? Was she trying to defend him because she knew that he could possibly be the one who had Nevaeh? Is that why she failed the LDT? Maybe she knew he was somehow involved?

[aproudmom]

SORRY guys I have not went through every post so I am catching up was not in all day/last night so I am just seeing these reports this is GREAT NEWS to me..I think they will catch this person I did see a post on Monroe news were someone posted a concrete place..this was a few hours ago

"It's a little more sophisticated than just dumping a body," said Andrew Arena, the lead FBI Investigator in the case,.

A key piece of evidence collected at the site is a 90-pound bag of cement

Only a few stores in the area sell 90-pound bags of cement. The Kuhlman Cement Company, which is located behind the home of the person of interest George Kennedy, sells 90-pound bags of cement.

Also, it appears that the fence outside the cement company was recently cut.

Police Search for Nevaeh's Killer video on side looking for another truck
http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Police-Search-for-Nevaehs-Killer/fFEMT9cZFEeBAFg2_uC6-g.cspx

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19662141/detail.html

[tia marie]

SORRY guys I have not went through every post so I am catching up was not in all day/last night so I am just seeing these reports this is GREAT NEWS to me..I think they will catch this person I did see a post on Monroe news were someone posted a concrete place..this was a few hours ago

"It's a little more sophisticated than just dumping a body," said Andrew Arena, the lead FBI Investigator in the case,.

A key piece of evidence collected at the site is a 90-pound bag of cement

Only a few stores in the area sell 90-pound bags of cement. The Kuhlman Cement Company, which is located behind the home of the person of interest George Kennedy, sells 90-pound bags of cement.

Also, it appears that the fence outside the cement company was recently cut.

Police Search for Nevaeh's Killer video on side looking for another truck
http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Police-Search-for-Nevaehs-Killer/fFEMT9cZFEeBAFg2_uC6-g.cspx

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19662141/detail.html

Thanks for the links. This is good news. That 90 lb bag of cement may just help catch the killer. Let's hope.

[aproudmom]

The Amber Alert states:

"The child was last seen at 8:15 p.m. on 5/24/2009"

http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/servlet/AmberExternalFCServlet?act=retAmberCase&amberId=6928



But then again we have articles saying she was last seen at 6:30 pm.


Didn't GK say he was fishing with his new girlfriend? :unsure:

I am not real sure cause it has changed at first he said he dropped her off and went to take as friend somewhere then the fishing story and now I AM TOTALLY LOST she went missing at 6:30 from what JB said but he said he took a friend somewhere at 7 using his G/F moms car so just when did they help her search:confused:

[k_can004]

What an upstanding citizens that mother is, this is why I stopped practicing criminal law because I use to have to face people like that. You can't change a child molester. They will always be a child molester. I think we are to lenient with them. They should get life and have to stay with the general population in prison stop protecting them, they don't have any feelings when it comes to somebody to young and weak to fight them. Or give them the choice of castration.


I sooo totally agree... the FIRST offense should be given a MANDATORY LIFE sentence

[aproudmom]

Thanks for the links. This is good news. That 90 lb bag of cement may just help catch the killer. Let's hope.

has anyone see just how steep this is it is a video ..says HOW CRIME MAY HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT...it is really steep to get down that bank..also that man really needs to see someone he broke down on this video also..

http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19673153/index.html

[~jomomma~]

morning all!

i'm glad to see i'm not the only one confused on the timeline!

we don't know if JB and Nevaeh went to the store around 3:30 when the mom upstairs said Nevaeh left.

so...was Nevaeh running around by herself, not checked on, from then until 6:30 or so when JB says the little girl came and told her Nevaeh was riding in the street? JB said this little girl spent the night with them the night before. JB said she had a friend there when this little girl came to tell her.

if the last time Nevaeh was seen was around 3:30, who knows who did this. maybe this little girl came back around around 6:15 or so to take her scooter home and found it laying there....with Nevaeh nowhere around.

geesh!

as far as the concrete, if it was poorly mixed (which i've read it was mixed with the river water....can't remember if i read that here or at MT forum) it wasn't going to be strong to begin with.

i'm thinking that the middle (where Guy says started crumbling) started to raise up and become even weaker was due to the decomp gasses. he said it was 'soft' there and would move up and down when he put pressure on it.

[aproudmom]

I sooo totally agree... the FIRST offense should be given a MANDATORY LIFE sentence

heck k they don't even use the freaking 3 strikes your out that Mark Lunsford got passed..I have no doubt she was taken for a reason and really don't even want to think about it...but why give RSO 3 TIMES:cursing:

Not that I am saying it is him or any RSO just saying they should not have 3 times before they are put away forever..

[k_can004]

heck k they don't even use the freaking 3 strikes your out that Mark Lunsford got passed..I have no doubt she was taken for a reason and really don't even want to think about it...but why give RSO 3 TIMES:cursing:

Not that I am saying it is him or any RSO just saying they should not have 3 times before they are put away forever..

IMO there is NO place in our society for these scum of the earth pedo's... it just makes me sick to know that there are so many out there living among us and our children, right freakin next door in some cases.

[~jomomma~]

I am not real sure cause it has changed at first he said he dropped her off and went to take as friend somewhere then the fishing story and now I AM TOTALLY LOST she went missing at 6:30 from what JB said but he said he took a friend somewhere at 7 using his G/F moms car so just when did they help her search:confused:

but see? the term 'went missing' is being used for the 6:30 time. i'm thinking that's just when JB couldn't find her. she could've been missing way before 6:30 (when the little girl supposedly came to JB)

[aproudmom]

morning all!

i'm glad to see i'm not the only one confused on the timeline!

we don't know if JB and Nevaeh went to the store around 3:30 when the mom upstairs said Nevaeh left.

so...was Nevaeh running around by herself, not checked on, from then until 6:30 or so when JB says the little girl came and told her Nevaeh was riding in the street? JB said this little girl spent the night with them the night before. JB said she had a friend there when this little girl came to tell her.

if the last time Nevaeh was seen was around 3:30, who knows who did this. maybe this little girl came back around around 6:15 or so to take her scooter home and found it laying there....with Nevaeh nowhere around.

geesh!

as far as the concrete, if it was poorly mixed (which i've read it was mixed with the river water....can't remember if i read that here or at MT forum) it wasn't going to be strong to begin with.

i'm thinking that the middle (where Guy says started crumbling) started to raise up and become even weaker was due to the decomp gasses. he said it was 'soft' there and would move up and down when he put pressure on it.

has anyone heard from this little girls mother or seen her or anything the only one I have seen is the little boys step father saying she ate with them at 3 something he never mentioned a little girl at all unless I missed it

also was thinking of the gasses I think I am going to call around today and ask about 90 pound bags if they usually carry them...got me wondering cause I moved a year ago and did some outside work and never got 90 pounds of concrete the quick dry stuff is what I also used for my porches we built and put in..anyone else know if it is not normally sold in 90 pounds?

[CC I See]

heck k they don't even use the freaking 3 strikes your out that Mark Lunsford got passed..I have no doubt she was taken for a reason and really don't even want to think about it...but why give RSO 3 TIMES:cursing:

Not that I am saying it is him or any RSO just saying they should not have 3 times before they are put away forever..

There are some crimes that are so heinous that one time and they they should be out, for life. Sexual predators should be at the top of the list right along with serial killers.

[febreze]

cement must have been hidden if the fishermen didn't notice it , perhaps the killer planned to return and add more cement to the grave. if a beer can was found in the grave hopefully there are finger prints on it.
who is this Georges girlfriend he went fishing with, haven't heard anything about her except she is his alibi. would be interesting to hear an interview with her.

[~jomomma~]

has anyone heard from this little girls mother or seen her or anything the only one I have seen is the little boys step father saying she ate with them at 3 something he never mentioned a little girl at all unless I missed it

also was thinking of the gasses I think I am going to call around today and ask about 90 pound bags if they usually carry them...got me wondering cause I moved a year ago and did some outside work and never got 90 pounds of concrete the quick dry stuff is what I also used for my porches we built and put in..anyone else know if it is not normally sold in 90 pounds?

just googled Lowes LOL

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=160030-286-110190&lpage=none

Application: Steps
Concrete Type: Other
Bag Weight (lbs.): 90.0
Coverage Area (Sq. Feet): 0.6
Coverage Thickness: 2 In. Or Greater
Working Time: 30-60 Minutes
ASTM Specs: Astm C 387

[aproudmom]

One thing that makes me wonder if GK had anything to do with her kidnapping a death I am really wondering if he really had anything to do with it unless I have missed something that is not to much time if we go with her timeline of 6:30:confused:

LD test yes he failed a couple questions but so did the mom

he had 2 alibis his G/F and a friend I heard they did take poly's but not confirmed..but he said he dropped his friend off at 7pm when did she call him if at 6:30 seems that is not to much time to help in searching for her and why would he leave at 7pm after she still had not been found if he was Daddy G. or he could have been called after 7 since she did not call the law until 8 something

next he went straight to his motel to talk to LE knowing he was in trouble why not run?

THE BIG one they said yesterday they did not have Nevaeh's killer..or killers so what does that mean they know this person is still out there if they thought or had enough on GK why would they have to look for a killer he is already in jail

[n/t]

but see? the term 'went missing' is being used for the 6:30 time. i'm thinking that's just when JB couldn't find her. she could've been missing way before 6:30 (when the little girl supposedly came to JB)

The articles I've read say "last seen" at 6:30.

Nevaeh Buchanan was last seen at 6:30 p.m. Sunday at 1166 N. Macomb Street in Monroe. The Amber Alert was issued a few hours later.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19556544/detail.html


The Amber Alert says 8:15....I'm guessing it was either a typo or that's the time the mom reported her missing.

[n/t]

cement must have been hidden if the fishermen didn't notice it , perhaps the killer planned to return and add more cement to the grave. if a beer can was found in the grave hopefully there are finger prints on it.
who is this Georges girlfriend he went fishing with, haven't heard anything about her except she is his alibi. would be interesting to hear an interview with her.

You're right. He didn't say anything about the cement bag. But then again, he was probably so freaked out that he may have not noticed it.

[aproudmom]

just googled Lowes LOL

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=160030-286-110190&lpage=none

Application: Steps
Concrete Type: Other
Bag Weight (lbs.): 90.0
Coverage Area (Sq. Feet): 0.6
Coverage Thickness: 2 In. Or Greater
Working Time: 30-60 Minutes
ASTM Specs: Astm C 387

thanks jo..so Lowe's does carry it can not remember the place they reported they called and they did not carry it..does not mean it was bought I guess at the places they have called...it does not say all stores I guess just says a few stores only carry it

Only a few stores in the area sell 90-pound bags of cement. The Kuhlman Cement Company, which is located behind the home of the person of interest George Kennedy, sells 90-pound bags of cement

[~jomomma~]

The articles I've read say "last seen" at 6:30.

Nevaeh Buchanan was last seen at 6:30 p.m. Sunday at 1166 N. Macomb Street in Monroe. The Amber Alert was issued a few hours later.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/19556544/detail.html


The Amber Alert says 8:15....I'm guessing it was either a typo or that's the time the mom reported her missing.

i believe that you read it....i just don't know if it's true! :biggrin:

morning n/t....so happy i'm not sitting at work today

[~jomomma~]

thanks jo..so Lowe's does carry it can not remember the place they reported they called and they did not carry it..does not mean it was bought I guess at the places they have called...it does not say all stores I guess just says a few stores only carry it

Only a few stores in the area sell 90-pound bags of cement. The Kuhlman Cement Company, which is located behind the home of the person of interest George Kennedy, sells 90-pound bags of cement

i just googled lowe's...i would imagine there's not a lowe's in monroe. i'd think they'd have to travel into toledo (right across the MI line).

Kuhlman sounds the most convenient to me. do they do retail tho?
or was it stolen from there (if it was there)

[~jomomma~]

You're right. He didn't say anything about the cement bag. But then again, he was probably so freaked out that he may have not noticed it.

yeah...if it was thrown into the bushes, i'm sure he wouldn't have noticed it. sounds like they gathered up their tackle and went back up to the road as quick as they could.

i would've been getting sick, if it was me :sad:

especially with his description of all the flies *gag*

[n/t]

i believe that you read it....i just don't know if it's true! :biggrin:

morning n/t....so happy i'm not sitting at work today

:wub:

I don't know if I believe it either. I have a feeling mommy may have dozed off for an afternoon nap and when the little girl went to the door is when she realized Nevaeh was missing (6:30ish?)

I honestly don't think she has anything to do with her murder but she is hiding stuff and that's why she's coming across as suspicious. She reminds me of Tara McDonald (Tori's mom). We all thought she was involved and it turns out she's not. Tara failed the LDT also. BTW...Tori's memorial is today at 1:00. It will be livestreamed.:sad:

[n/t]

yeah...if it was thrown into the bushes, i'm sure he wouldn't have noticed it. sounds like they gathered up their tackle and went back up to the road as quick as they could.

i would've been getting sick, if it was me :sad:

especially with his description of all the flies *gag*

I really feel for them. I broke down listening to him last night on NG. His poor dad too.:sad:

Who is that kid they showed describing the scene?

[~jomomma~]

I really feel for them. I broke down listening to him last night on NG. His poor dad too.:sad:

Who is that kid they showed describing the scene?

i wondered that too when i saw it. maybe that's his 15 yr old son? (that i thought was initially reported was with him but that was wrong....it was Guy and his father)

[aproudmom]

ok so when did she call him is my question and he said he went fishing several days before she went missing and cut himself then and he parked his van there 2 days before she went missing and used his G/F mothers car......funny he does not say he took a poly or maybe they just did not add it in this interview from jail...

He said he had used the car of his girlfriend's mother to take friends to the county inmate dormitory about 7:15 p.m. May 24 to visit their friend. He said he went to the motel and to a nearby gas station, where he believes he appeared on video. He went back to the dormitory and took his friends to their home.

fishing several days before Nevaeh vanished

He said he parked the van May 22 — two days before Nevaeh vanished — at the home of his girlfriend's mother on North Monroe Street after state troopers cited him for driving it without a valid registration.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090604/NEWS02/906040366/0/SPORTS04

[cantstandnuts]

I feel terrible for her. There are thousands of parents who have let their children play outside (and looking at the apartment complex it seems like it really would be more in their parking lot) and not been on the stoop with them. I do not blame them all for anything that happened to their kids, just as i don't blame the parents like Mark Klaas or the Smarts for their children being taken from their beds.
(snipped)



I respect your opinion, but there is a huge difference between a child being taken from their bed in the "safety" of their home and a very young child outside alone who's IMO, just a sitting duck for a predator. I know kids can go missing in a second, but to just put them out there is ridiculous and should never happen, because parents should know better. To do any less than be outside with a 5 year old is simply taking a gamble with the life of that child and is simply unacceptable.

[cantstandnuts]

Honestly I don't know what to think! It just seems so unemotional, and as if she was talking about some lost inanimate possession instead of her daughter. The second part of the statement sounds to me like this whole thing (searching for Nevaeh) is an inconvenience. MOO

Well, we could be wrong, but I agree with you that she seems to be saying she just wants to get back to life as normal. :huh:

[aproudmom]

this is a interview with someone from Ace hardware but he sold 6/ 60 pounds not 90 the day she went missing it shows the bags not sure if it is the same brand or what but they do not carry the 90

Just go to Nevaeh updates and it is that video
http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19660006/index.html

[aproudmom]

i wondered that too when i saw it. maybe that's his 15 yr old son? (that i thought was initially reported was with him but that was wrong....it was Guy and his father)

the 15yr old was not there it was his father and his grandfather who went fishing and found her

[iluvmua]

I think there should be a law that if a person is a registered sex offender that they HAVE to be castrated.

and that they should be given life sentences after the first offense.

[aproudmom]

ok here we see Kmart so he says they were only telling him that she was at Kmart

Easter said he learned of Nevaeh's disappearance when he was called by a girlfriend who lives at the Charlotte Arms Apartments, where the girl had disappeared while playing alone in the parking lot. His girlfriend said she needed a ride to the store, saying the apartment complex was abuzz over the missing girl, he said.

"I had a hard time thinking in my head," Easter said of the questioning.

He told authorities he had been at Kmart that night. He said investigators tried to pin him down, acting like Nevaeh was at the store with her mother that day.

"They kept telling me, 'you followed her out of Kmart,' said.

[aproudmom]

I think there should be a law that if a person is a registered sex offender that they HAVE to be castrated.

and that they should be given life sentences after the first offense.

AMEN I second that

[aproudmom]

Does anyone know how to check Vinelink???just seen this but not sure how to use it to check it and confirm it If true he has been taken back to the DOC


On vinelink it shows that Kennedy was transfered to Agency Michigan DOC Address 1:Grandview Plaza Building Address 2:P.O. Box 30003 City:Lansing State/Province:MI Zip Code:48909 CountyOC Phone517) 373-0270.

[tia marie]

Did I read the link correctly, it took two hours once LE was called to get to the scene. Those fishermen had to wait two hours for LE to show up?

[aproudmom]

Looking for a white sunama truck. seen parked in the area also I am not so sure I could walk right down to were they located her would be way to hard for me I could maybe get to the guardrail if that ..also noticed Grandma Sherry is not happy with the father of Nevaeh and his family..but guess that happens when they are not all on the same page and she is angry she needs to just focus on grieving and forget about everything else at this point she feels she can not hold her head up .IMO

http://www.wxyz.com/mostpopular/story/Police-Search-for-Nevaehs-Killer/fFEMT9cZFEeBAFg2_uC6-g.cspx?p=Comments

[EverMoth]

[/B]

Mr. Bickley said remnants of a fire were at the fishing area, which was below a steep bank.

Both men said they saw a partially burned latex surgical glove near it.
[/B]

Good morning. Remnants of a fire and a partially burned latex surgical glove? If that is relevant to the case, what could that possibly mean? I shudder to think.

[aproudmom]

I guess I need to put these in links thread..after this one I will...I just forget to go there and like when we just add a link on here as long as it is not 3 pages long..sorry if been posted but very sad


http://www.monroenews.com/article/20090605/NEWS01/306059994

When you think of what happened here, it makes me sick," he continued. "You can’t believe it until you see it. It’s terrible."
At the top of the hill a gathering of folks decided to stand in a circle and hold hands. They prayed and spoke of healing and thanked the community for all its support. Then Ms. Feaganes, a mother of three, broke down and cried on the shoulder of a stranger.

The area is well-known to local fishermen and is not clearly visible from the road. That’s why theorists and police believe the person who killed Nevaeh was someone familiar with the area.
"It was someone who was here before," Mr. Lovett said. "They’ve been to this spot before."

[aproudmom]

I need to vent a little so sorry but I am sick and tired of people not checking certain facts that could ruin someones life..1/ just reading the man that found her body was a RSO NOT...then I read several hinkey meters are going off that it just so happens him and his elderly father ended up in that spot since they never fished in that area before...

THIS MAKES ME SICK I could understand these things being said if they are backed with a link or proof this is just what is going on in Casey Anthony's case they seem to want to throw the meter reader under the bus...this is why I think people do not come forward in fear that they will be hung and lies and rumors will start...this man IMO and his father ended up in that spot for a reason..not because they are guilty of sh**...

Thanks needed to get that out I have seen the man on many interviews he is hurting and thank you God for sending him to that area that he did drive by there everyday and he even said he had seen people fishing at that spot...and his father was in for a 2 week trip to visit...OFGS some are so cruel this man had his feet on top of this child he called 911 he waited 2 hours on them to arrive and some want to say it is very odd he would find her...whatever..:angry:

FYI not anyone on this forum on others

[aproudmom]

any one hear this I had awhile back but never again until they found her in cement..

Nevaeh's family members told the Detroit affiliate that they are even more suspicious now of George Kennedy, a 39-year-old registered sex offenderand friend of Nevaeh's mother, who has been named a person of interest by Monroe County police.

Kennedy, who is jailed on probation violations for simply being associated with a child, works with cement in the area where the body was found, according to the family's statements to WXYZ.:ohmy:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7764316&page=2

[FallenAngel♥]

I think there should be a law that if a person is a registered sex offender that they HAVE to be castrated.

and that they should be given life sentences after the first offense.

Amen............ITA

[spiritwolf46]

I need to vent a little so sorry but I am sick and tired of people not checking certain facts that could ruin someones life..1/ just reading the man that found her body was a RSO NOT...then I read several hinkey meters are going off that it just so happens him and his elderly father ended up in that spot since they never fished in that area before...

THIS MAKES ME SICK I could understand these things being said if they are backed with a link or proof this is just what is going on in Casey Anthony's case they seem to want to throw the meter reader under the bus...this is why I think people do not come forward in fear that they will be hung and lies and rumors will start...this man IMO and his father ended up in that spot for a reason..not because they are guilty of sh**...

Thanks needed to get that out I have seen the man on many interviews he is hurting and thank you God for sending him to that area that he did drive by there everyday and he even said he had seen people fishing at that spot...and his father was in for a 2 week trip to visit...OFGS some are so cruel this man had his feet on top of this child he called 911 he waited 2 hours on them to arrive and some want to say it is very odd he would find her...whatever..:angry:

FYI not anyone on this forum on others


Aproudmom, thank you for posting this. ITA with all that you said. Seems no one can be a good samaritan (sp?) not can someone literally stumble on a body and call 911 with out scrutiny and criticism. Makes me sick as well. This man sis nothing wrong. IF they find out differently, then so be it, but for now, he did NOTHING wrong!

[GentleBreeze]

I need to vent a little so sorry but I am sick and tired of people not checking certain facts that could ruin someones life..1/ just reading the man that found her body was a RSO NOT...then I read several hinkey meters are going off that it just so happens him and his elderly father ended up in that spot since they never fished in that area before...

THIS MAKES ME SICK I could understand these things being said if they are backed with a link or proof this is just what is going on in Casey Anthony's case they seem to want to throw the meter reader under the bus...this is why I think people do not come forward in fear that they will be hung and lies and rumors will start...this man IMO and his father ended up in that spot for a reason..not because they are guilty of sh**...

Thanks needed to get that out I have seen the man on many interviews he is hurting and thank you God for sending him to that area that he did drive by there everyday and he even said he had seen people fishing at that spot...and his father was in for a 2 week trip to visit...OFGS some are so cruel this man had his feet on top of this child he called 911 he waited 2 hours on them to arrive and some want to say it is very odd he would find her...whatever..:angry:

FYI not anyone on this forum on others

It is the typical "meter reader" bashing all over again.

These men are heroes to me. They located Nevaeh and she is no longer out there alone discarded like trash.

But I thought he said he and his dad fished for about two hours up and down the bank before he found Nevaeh?

imo

[aproudmom]

Aproudmom, thank you for posting this. ITA with all that you said. Seems no one can be a good samaritan (sp?) not can someone literally stumble on a body and call 911 with out scrutiny and criticism. Makes me sick as well. This man sis nothing wrong. IF they find out differently, then so be it, but for now, he did NOTHING wrong!

It just really upset me I even went and checked what a few were saying and there was no such record from that state..I know we all have opinions but this is just someone that went fishing with his elderly father who was in from Tenn and fgs he is falling apart every time I see him talk it gets worse..his boot was on this child how would anyone feel then just imagine getting on some forum unlike this one and read those things..sad sad sad and like you said if he did something I would be thinking different but he was being called a SO and just so everyone knows a certain site I do not follow even checked it out and corrected the people I will just say BLINK and that site is full of lies so if Blink says it is untrue you can bet it is and it was totally uncalled for and a lie like I said I went and looked..so I just needed to vent...and it felt better to get it out..I just read he does not care about any reward no amount of money will bring him comfort of what him and his father saw...so he is not out for the bucks he was ask by a reporter about it and pretty much looked like he wanted to smack her for even asking at this time....all JMO

[Intermeist]

I would be interested to hear from people at the store, to find out if Nevaeh and her mother were in the store between 3:45 and 6:30. Mom said when she made her initial search, she walked around and stopped at the store. Why would she go to the store if she had already gone? I guess it's possible that it was to ask if they had seen her girl, but I would think she would have mentioned that. Without that information, there's no proof they actually went and Nevaeh could actually have been outside since 3:45. I don't think LE has a true timeline yet. Mom is aware of the public opinion of her parenting skills, and perhaps whenever she was asked anything pertaining to time, she fudged to make herself look better. I also think that this crime could have been planned well in advance. The bag of cement could have been taken to the site and hidden before the kidnapping, making the time needed to commit this absolutely horrendous crime much shorter. Just some thoughts on my mind, even though it disgusts me to think of it at all.

[CatBallou]

I need to vent a little so sorry but I am sick and tired of people not checking certain facts that could ruin someones life..1/ just reading the man that found her body was a RSO NOT...then I read several hinkey meters are going off that it just so happens him and his elderly father ended up in that spot since they never fished in that area before...

THIS MAKES ME SICK I could understand these things being said if they are backed with a link or proof this is just what is going on in Casey Anthony's case they seem to want to throw the meter reader under the bus...this is why I think people do not come forward in fear that they will be hung and lies and rumors will start...this man IMO and his father ended up in that spot for a reason..not because they are guilty of sh**...

Thanks needed to get that out I have seen the man on many interviews he is hurting and thank you God for sending him to that area that he did drive by there everyday and he even said he had seen people fishing at that spot...and his father was in for a 2 week trip to visit...OFGS some are so cruel this man had his feet on top of this child he called 911 he waited 2 hours on them to arrive and some want to say it is very odd he would find her...whatever..:angry:

FYI not anyone on this forum on others

ITA but it is the start of the defense case blaming anyone except the defendant, there is not even a suspect and the naysayers are already making a mountain out of a mole hill because the man and his father decided to fish there instead of going to the lake because it was windy.

It makes one afraid to report something they find.

[kitty1182]

any one hear this I had awhile back but never again until they found her in cement..

Nevaeh's family members told the Detroit affiliate that they are even more suspicious now of George Kennedy, a 39-year-old registered sex offenderand friend of Nevaeh's mother, who has been named a person of interest by Monroe County police.

Kennedy, who is jailed on probation violations for simply being associated with a child, works with cement in the area where the body was found, according to the family's statements to WXYZ.:ohmy:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7764316&page=2

I think he needs to be questioned a lot more.....

[aproudmom]

The little boys that called her his Best friend
Johnny Morse, left, and Austin Kuhn, both 8, live in the same Monroe apartment complex as 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchanan. "She's with God," Johnny said of Nevaeh. "She's in my heart forever," Austin said.

The two children had played inside the boy's apartment most of the afternoon, then Nevaeh left with her mother, Jennifer Buchanan.

"She left our house at 3:30, 3:45," said Kuhn, who lives one floor up from Nevaeh's apartment in the Charlotte Arms complex in Monroe. She said the Buchanans had to go to the store.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090606/NEWS05/906060405/0/NEWS05

[aproudmom]

First of all sorry for my blow up and venting this is not about me just made me sick reading stuff anyway I am not so sure I could see my child I would send another family member in to ID..maybe it is just me but not knowing just what condition she is in I am afraid they will not understand they may not want to remember her sweet little face in that manner...JMO though

I-want-to-see-her-one-more-time-

Monroe -- The mother of 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchanan said today she is overwhelmed by uncertainty as she awaits further autopsy tests on a body found near the River Raisin that authorities say resembles her daughter.

"I want to see her one more time no matter what," Jennifer Buchanan said. "I'm hoping that it is completely over."

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090605/METRO/906050439/Nevaeh-s-mom---I-want-to-see-her-one-more-time-

[bama__angel]

First of all sorry for my blow up and venting this is not about me just made me sick reading stuff anyway I am not so sure I could see my child I would send another family member in to ID..maybe it is just me but not knowing just what condition she is in I am afraid they will not understand they may not want to remember her sweet little face in that manner...JMO though

I-want-to-see-her-one-more-time-

Monroe -- The mother of 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchanan said today she is overwhelmed by uncertainty as she awaits further autopsy tests on a body found near the River Raisin that authorities say resembles her daughter.

"I want to see her one more time no matter what," Jennifer Buchanan said. "I'm hoping that it is completely over."

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090605/METRO/906050439/Nevaeh-s-mom---I-want-to-see-her-one-more-time-



I have thought about this so many times since my children were born.....I would have to see my child....There is no way I couldnt....I would have to see and be able to touch at least their face or hand...

I pray for God to give this family strength and peace of mind and hope....

[titanfan217]

morning all!

i'm glad to see i'm not the only one confused on the timeline!

we don't know if JB and Nevaeh went to the store around 3:30 when the mom upstairs said Nevaeh left.

so...was Nevaeh running around by herself, not checked on, from then until 6:30 or so when JB says the little girl came and told her Nevaeh was riding in the street? JB said this little girl spent the night with them the night before. JB said she had a friend there when this little girl came to tell her.

if the last time Nevaeh was seen was around 3:30, who knows who did this. maybe this little girl came back around around 6:15 or so to take her scooter home and found it laying there....with Nevaeh nowhere around.

geesh!

as far as the concrete, if it was poorly mixed (which i've read it was mixed with the river water....can't remember if i read that here or at MT forum) it wasn't going to be strong to begin with.

i'm thinking that the middle (where Guy says started crumbling) started to raise up and become even weaker was due to the decomp gasses. he said it was 'soft' there and would move up and down when he put pressure on it.


Was "3:30" about the time that her mother said she came in & changed clothes & went up to see her friend, or was that later?

[VC2]

i thought it was 45 minutes, also...i'm completely confused now...if Nevaeh actually went missing around 6:30 pm, then i think GK has an alibi at that time....wonder what Roy Lee Smith was doing around 6:30 pm.....

it doesn't make sense to wait an hour & 45 minutes, to call LE, imo...:confused:

Not only that, if she waited almost 2 hours in that situation, she likely would have been interrogated every day for hours and certainly that info would have become public.

The newspapers get things wrong all the time. The only thing you can rely on is quotes from LE or video of quotes from LE. Amber Alert i think you proved was wrong time (or let me rephrase, that it was issued but not necessarily immediately by LE. they may have taken an hour or two to ask questions, to assume it was GK for example before issuing)

I simply do not believe that she waited anywhere close to 2 hours, i can see a half hour calling neveah, looking around the complex or checking at friends of neveahs in it..but not 2 hours because the people in the complex would have mentioned it and been outraged to the media

IMO

[VC2]

Sorry if this is a repost guess I could be reading way to much into this statement why would anyone have a vendetta of the family:confused:


Ms. Lawson wished the killer would have attacked one of the adult family members if Nevaeh's slaying was the result of some vendetta.

Sixteen sheets of paper were separately attached to the memorial's awning yesterday. Each are copies of the same message, asking why Michigan doesn't have the death penalty.

Many believe Nevaeh suffered the fate of a demented killer who may still be on the loose.

"I don't know how to take it," Mr. Lawson said. "It would take one of the most sickest, disturbed people out there to take a 5-year-old, kill her, and encase her in concrete."

Though it's unclear if the girl was molested, Mr. Lawson said he and other family members would gladly testify on behalf of stronger laws for sex offenders.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090606/NEWS16/906060377

Authorities said concrete covered the body in a shallow grave, but the body was not encased in the substance

Mr. Bickley kicked loose the fresh concrete he had been standing on to discover a patch of a child's skin.

Mr. Bickley said he used his shoe to loosen the concrete he had been standing on while casting from the bank. He said concrete covered about a 2 1/2-feet by about 1 1/2-feet area that was about a foot from the water.

"It was almost like somebody poured it and it leveled. It was very crudely applied. At least the top of it was," he said.

They said they immediately called 911 and waited about two hours for the sheriff's detectives to arrive. They left the scene and were interviewed later Thursday night by FBI agents and investigators.

Mr. Bickley said remnants of a fire were at the fishing area, which was below a steep bank.

Both men said they saw a partially burned latex surgical glove near it.

He also recalled seeing a dark colored, small pickup parked along the road when he drove past the area two days after Nevaeh was reported missing.

Neither Sheriff Crutchfield nor Mr. Arena would discuss any evidence that was recovered.


2 1/2 feet how could that cover a child how tall was she?waited 2 hours for someone to respond fgs I figured they would have rushed there going 100 mph getting a tip like that...that had to be a horrible wait for those 2 men...omg had not heard those reports of stuff they saw has anyone else seen it reported????????I hope some one screwed up big time and left more than they thought there and they find them soon

I really really don't like this info.

This guy was methodical and had premeditated the abduction and killing of some little child. This was not a creep who just did it on the spur of the moment and had never offended before, whoever did it is organized and evil. It puts GK further away from it imo, this isnot the the type who grabs a teen and rapes her behind a gas station - plus he would have known he would be the first POI and with broken parole heading back to jail even if he didn't do it let alone did so...

this guy:
1. Planned to cover the grave in cement
2. Used a remote place that only locals would know
3. Buried her clothes with her...smart, better than putting them in a dumpster or something.
4. lit a fire to burn anything he didn't bury there..or spent enough time to have a bbq or something.
5. used latex gloves (praying that doesnt mean condoms too) to ensure no prints
6. the cement..anyone would have been aware of a shallow looking grave, but who would think a patch of cement on a bank is a grave. if the poor guy hadnt been sitting on it and it crumbled a little and mixed better then it could have stayed for years.

I bet this guy is intelligent, older, has offended numerous times, and are there any other missing children in that area?

IMO

[Peaches]

I need to vent a little so sorry but I am sick and tired of people not checking certain facts that could ruin someones life..1/ just reading the man that found her body was a RSO NOT...then I read several hinkey meters are going off that it just so happens him and his elderly father ended up in that spot since they never fished in that area before...

THIS MAKES ME SICK I could understand these things being said if they are backed with a link or proof this is just what is going on in Casey Anthony's case they seem to want to throw the meter reader under the bus...this is why I think people do not come forward in fear that they will be hung and lies and rumors will start...this man IMO and his father ended up in that spot for a reason..not because they are guilty of sh**...

Thanks needed to get that out I have seen the man on many interviews he is hurting and thank you God for sending him to that area that he did drive by there everyday and he even said he had seen people fishing at that spot...and his father was in for a 2 week trip to visit...OFGS some are so cruel this man had his feet on top of this child he called 911 he waited 2 hours on them to arrive and some want to say it is very odd he would find her...whatever..:angry:

FYI not anyone on this forum on others


Your post is right on target.

MOO is that this man and his father did nothing except "go fishing."

Thank God Nevaeh was found when evidence could be collected.

Let's just hope that the person responsible will soon be arrested and convicted! :cursing:

[kitty1182]

I have thought about this so many times since my children were born.....I would have to see my child....There is no way I couldnt....I would have to see and be able to touch at least their face or hand...

I pray for God to give this family strength and peace of mind and hope....

I would have to see too...:sad:

[VC2]

First of all sorry for my blow up and venting this is not about me just made me sick reading stuff anyway I am not so sure I could see my child I would send another family member in to ID..maybe it is just me but not knowing just what condition she is in I am afraid they will not understand they may not want to remember her sweet little face in that manner...JMO though

I-want-to-see-her-one-more-time-

Monroe -- The mother of 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchanan said today she is overwhelmed by uncertainty as she awaits further autopsy tests on a body found near the River Raisin that authorities say resembles her daughter.

"I want to see her one more time no matter what," Jennifer Buchanan said. "I'm hoping that it is completely over."

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090605/METRO/906050439/Nevaeh-s-mom---I-want-to-see-her-one-more-time-

I would have to see too. I know its not a child, but my neighbor can't understand how if one of my strays gets hit on the road, i am able to not only pick them up but wash them and wrap them in a warm towel before burial. One night i was so hysterical i called the cops at midnight and begged them to come dig a grave, i couldn't get the shovel to break ground...which they did because i told them i was just holding peanuts broken little body in my arms and couldn't put her down until she was buried. And for me they are my children.

As far as wanting to finally be over, i totally understand that too. Right now its only nearly certain it is neveah's body. We are certain, LE is certain but they cant be sure 100% because the ID has not been made. That leaves that tiny bit of hope that i think is harder to deal with in these circumstances because you know its false hope than when they finally say yes it is Neveah, the prints match, the dna matches or dental (which they dont have) etc. You are ready to grieve completely but are in a weird limbo

IMO

[dulcinea]

ok here we see Kmart so he says they were only telling him that she was at Kmart

Easter said he learned of Nevaeh's disappearance when he was called by a girlfriend who lives at the Charlotte Arms Apartments, where the girl had disappeared while playing alone in the parking lot. His girlfriend said she needed a ride to the store, saying the apartment complex was abuzz over the missing girl, he said.

"I had a hard time thinking in my head," Easter said of the questioning.

He told authorities he had been at Kmart that night. He said investigators tried to pin him down, acting like Nevaeh was at the store with her mother that day.

"They kept telling me, 'you followed her out of Kmart,' said.


I'm going to be a pain and ask for a link to this article. ;) This is the first I am hearing about Kmart other than reading comments posted by locals, which I take with a large grain of salt. TIA.

[Dunlurken]

Why would anyone pour cement over the body? That's just too wierd. It appears as though she wasn't "encased" which I thought initially.

some criminals are just dumb. Actually, all of them are.

[VC2]

Why would anyone pour cement over the body? That's just too wierd. It appears as though she wasn't "encased" which I thought initially.

some criminals are just dumb. Actually, all of them are.

So that what happened did.

The two people who found her were fishing for a couple of hours sitting right on top of her. They would never have thought it was a grave until the cement started to crumble where it was continuously walked on and the odor and flies got worse.

If he had been smarter about the mix or made the grave deeper and covered it with more earth before the concrete the gases probably would not have weakened the middle as much and she would have been under that concrete slab for years.

Just burying her, it shows the earth is disturbed, anyone who stumbled on it would suspect a possible grave and it would be easy to check if it was or not.

I think he was dumb but not dumb in the stupid way, it had a chance of working if he had made the concrete either thicker or better mixed. as it was, people fished on her for hours and thought the concrete was to stop some erosion

IMO

[Amy]

GK has a new girlfriend

Mom calls him when Nevaeh went missing. Why?

Timeline is screwy

GK's story changed from dropping off some friends to going fishing with girlfriend? When did he go fishing?

Regarding the vendetta theory posted up there by aproudmom, could it be GK was living at the home with them and grandma kicked him out. GK found JB no longer of use so he gets himself a new girlfriend but is enraged that he was kicked out and did this to Nevaeh to get back at grandma and mom?

Was mom trying to soften him up when she said he was like a father figure to Nevaeh in hopes that he would not harm her? Was she trying to defend him because she knew that he could possibly be the one who had Nevaeh? Is that why she failed the LDT? Maybe she knew he was somehow involved?

I haven't read where GK addressed the bf/gf aspect of his relationship w/JB--but JB adamantly denies it was anything other than friendship.

As far as one time saying he was fishing w/his gf and another talking about chaufeurring friends, wonder which he said first, and what the timeline on THAT was. But, it seems if he was taking friends around, that would be fairly easily confirmed. Reports are that his alibi was confirmed by 2 people, but I never heard WHICH alibi.

Both JB and Gk failed parts of their LDT--wonder if either of the above was part of what was failed?

As for living @ JB's, it would seem that he would have had the motel address anyway--because as a sex offender, he could not have an address of where a child lives. I wonder if his po knew about the relationship (regardless of what KIND of relationship) between GK and JB--and what GK did that the po had been trying to get him revoked.

[Amy]

morning all!

i'm glad to see i'm not the only one confused on the timeline!



so...was Nevaeh running around by herself, not checked on, from then until 6:30 or so when JB says the little girl came and told her Nevaeh was riding in the street? JB said this little girl spent the night with them the night before. JB said she had a friend there when this little girl came to tell her.

if the last time Nevaeh was seen was around 3:30, who knows who did this. maybe this little girl came back around around 6:15 or so to take her scooter home and found it laying there....with Nevaeh nowhere around.

geesh!

as far as the concrete, if it was poorly mixed (which i've read it was mixed with the river water....can't remember if i read that here or at MT forum) it wasn't going to be strong to begin with.

i'm thinking that the middle (where Guy says started crumbling) started to raise up and become even weaker was due to the decomp gasses. he said it was 'soft' there and would move up and down when he put pressure on it.


I know the neighbor upstairs said JB and Neveah left about 3:30 to go to the store. Wonder WHAT store? Does JB have a car to go to a store outside the neighborhood? I recall a local who posted in the past who had checked out (or knew) that there is only a quick shop in the area, and it closes @ 2 on Sundays?

So, they left the neighbor's about 3:30, JB says Neveah changed clothes about 3:45 and went to visit someone in the apt complex. Again, I was thinking the same friend, but his mom never said Neveah came back to her place.

Honestly, from the times I actually heard JB speak, it sounds like 3:45 was the last time she saw her. I know there were articles (@ least 1) that indicated JB had admonished Neveah to not ride in the road, but NEVER, in any time I heard HER talk, did she indicate that (altho, I sure could have missed it, as I do not get to every link.)

Another curious thing: the little girl stayed w/them the night before? So, did she go w/JB and Neveah to the neighbor's? There was no mention from either JB or the neighbor that another little girl was there, just JB and Neveah. So, the little girl who stayed the night with them---did she leave w/Neveah after she changed her clothes about 3:45? Odd that we haven't heard from this little girl's mom, to confirm that her daughter spent the night with Neveah, and presumably that day--Sunday.

What it boils down to, from all that I have been able to figure out is that Neveah left about 3:45, and the next time JB checked on her would be about 6:30 when the little girl (if there was one) came to say that Neveah was riding in the road. Whether there was another little girl or not, it seem that JB did not check on Neveah's whereabouts for almost 3 hours. IMO.

IMO, someone could have taken Neveah as early as 3:45 or 3:50. @ least it looks that way.

[Amy]

heck k they don't even use the freaking 3 strikes your out that Mark Lunsford got passed..I have no doubt she was taken for a reason and really don't even want to think about it...but why give RSO 3 TIMES:cursing:

Not that I am saying it is him or any RSO just saying they should not have 3 times before they are put away forever..

The 3 strikes thing was in effect even back when Polly Klass was taken. Like so many other things, I think it was on "hold" because, of course, we might be stepping on the "rights" of CRIMINALS.

I am sure there might have been occasions when the 3 strikes was utilized, but generally, I don't see it.

[Amy]

has anyone heard from this little girls mother or seen her or anything the only one I have seen is the little boys step father saying she ate with them at 3 something he never mentioned a little girl at all unless I missed it

also was thinking of the gasses I think I am going to call around today and ask about 90 pound bags if they usually carry them...got me wondering cause I moved a year ago and did some outside work and never got 90 pounds of concrete the quick dry stuff is what I also used for my porches we built and put in..anyone else know if it is not normally sold in 90 pounds?


I haven't looked @ wts of things like this, altho I do know I used QuickCrete some years ago. 90 seems an odd number (but it must be true, if a bag that size was found.) 50 lbs sounds more reasonable, and one would think the next would be 100. I don't know, maybe the lesser sizes have odd amounts, too. Like 23# or 42# or something like that.

[Amy]

ok here we see Kmart so he says they were only telling him that she was at Kmart

Easter said he learned of Nevaeh's disappearance when he was called by a girlfriend who lives at the Charlotte Arms Apartments, where the girl had disappeared while playing alone in the parking lot. His girlfriend said she needed a ride to the store, saying the apartment complex was abuzz over the missing girl, he said.

"I had a hard time thinking in my head," Easter said of the questioning.

He told authorities he had been at Kmart that night. He said investigators tried to pin him down, acting like Nevaeh was at the store with her mother that day.

"They kept telling me, 'you followed her out of Kmart,' said.

So, I wonder, DID JB and Neveah go to a store after leaving the neighbors? Go home and change clothes about 3:45, then off to the store? KMart? Then, when they got home, Neveah was outside playing? I don't think this would be true @ all. Never does JB mention going to a store. In fact, in the radio interview, she specifically says Neveah went back upstairs after changing clothes. Why would she leave that out? And, if she HAD gone to the store w/Neveah, the timeline would have started whatever time they got home--and there would not have been any discussion about playing upstairs earlier in the day. IMO, of course.

[Amy]

Does anyone know how to check Vinelink???just seen this but not sure how to use it to check it and confirm it If true he has been taken back to the DOC


On vinelink it shows that Kennedy was transfered to Agency Michigan DOC Address 1:Grandview Plaza Building Address 2:P.O. Box 30003 City:Lansing State/Province:MI Zip Code:48909 CountyOC Phone517) 373-0270.

I wonder if he had any court appearances, or if they just returned him. I know he said he wasn't going to fight being revoked. Of course, they have had 13 days in which to have a court hearing.

[Amy]

Good morning. Remnants of a fire and a partially burned latex surgical glove? If that is relevant to the case, what could that possibly mean? I shudder to think.

I think latex gloves are used pretty much by most criminals to prevent their fingerprints being left @ a crime scene. Even if they aren't a good fit it would be much easier to do things with a latex glove than any other kind.

So, hopefully, latex gloves were only used to prevent leaving fingerprints. But, perhaps the perps haven't been watching the same shows I have--where they turn the glove wrong side out and get fingerprints off the gloves.

[Amy]

I guess I need to put these in links thread..after this one I will...I just forget to go there and like when we just add a link on here as long as it is not 3 pages long..sorry if been posted but very sad


http://www.monroenews.com/article/20090605/NEWS01/306059994

When you think of what happened here, it makes me sick," he continued. "You can’t believe it until you see it. It’s terrible."
At the top of the hill a gathering of folks decided to stand in a circle and hold hands. They prayed and spoke of healing and thanked the community for all its support. Then Ms. Feaganes, a mother of three, broke down and cried on the shoulder of a stranger.

The area is well-known to local fishermen and is not clearly visible from the road. That’s why theorists and police believe the person who killed Nevaeh was someone familiar with the area.
"It was someone who was here before," Mr. Lovett said. "They’ve been to this spot before."

I appreciate the links on the current page. A little quicker reference @ the moment for what the poster is talking about.

What a sad, sad, ending. I really feel sorry for the fishermen. But, their discovery did bring an end to where Neveah is.

[sunstar]

So, I wonder, DID JB and Neveah go to a store after leaving the neighbors? Go home and change clothes about 3:45, then off to the store? KMart? Then, when they got home, Neveah was outside playing? I don't think this would be true @ all. Never does JB mention going to a store. In fact, in the radio interview, she specifically says Neveah went back upstairs after changing clothes. Why would she leave that out? And, if she HAD gone to the store w/Neveah, the timeline would have started whatever time they got home--and there would not have been any discussion about playing upstairs earlier in the day. IMO, of course.

Hi! K-Mart has surveillance cameras which could confirm if JB & Nevaeh were ever in the store that day. I recall reading that one of the first places JB started looking for her was at the store. I too am beginning to think Nevaeh "went missing" way before the 6:30pm time that was given when she was supposedly seen in the parking lot with her scooter. MOO

[Amy]

any one hear this I had awhile back but never again until they found her in cement..

Nevaeh's family members told the Detroit affiliate that they are even more suspicious now of George Kennedy, a 39-year-old registered sex offenderand friend of Nevaeh's mother, who has been named a person of interest by Monroe County police.

Kennedy, who is jailed on probation violations for simply being associated with a child, works with cement in the area where the body was found, according to the family's statements to WXYZ.:ohmy:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7764316&page=2

Neveah's family members--I wonder if that would include JB, cuz the last I read/heard what she had to say, she was still saying, no way would GK, Neveah's "father figure" do this. I'm still boggled by the fact that Sherry, who has custody of Neveah, would allow her to be around a RSO under any conditions (well, the fact that JB saw no problem boggled my mind, too.) If the RSO was MY BROTHER, or MY UNCLE or even MY DAD--he would NOT be around my children, even w/me in the room.

[Amy]

I would be interested to hear from people at the store, to find out if Nevaeh and her mother were in the store between 3:45 and 6:30. Mom said when she made her initial search, she walked around and stopped at the store. Why would she go to the store if she had already gone? I guess it's possible that it was to ask if they had seen her girl, but I would think she would have mentioned that. Without that information, there's no proof they actually went and Nevaeh could actually have been outside since 3:45. I don't think LE has a true timeline yet. Mom is aware of the public opinion of her parenting skills, and perhaps whenever she was asked anything pertaining to time, she fudged to make herself look better. I also think that this crime could have been planned well in advance. The bag of cement could have been taken to the site and hidden before the kidnapping, making the time needed to commit this absolutely horrendous crime much shorter. Just some thoughts on my mind, even though it disgusts me to think of it at all.

How far is Kmart from the apartment complex? I can't remember the poster's nic, but s/he said the store within walking distance is a convenience store that closed @ 2pm on Sundays. So, why would she walk to a store that is closed? And had been since before Neveah was missing? Unless she tho't Neveah would not know/understand about the store being closed.

After the interview w/Easter, where he mentions LE was trying to say he followed Neveah out of Kmart---I wonder, do they have video or information from clerks that they went to Kmart on Sunday? And what time? Well before 3:45 (because she was eating lunch w/a friend @ 3pm) or after JB and Neveah left the neighbor's @ 3:30? Or, was this just one of the LE "techniques" to try to trip Easter up and get a confession?

[LILMANMAX]

My eyes are blurred from reading so much here and MT. The little girl who came and told JB that Nevaeh was in the road with the scooter, has this been verified by LE.
I for the life of me cannot find that info.

Does anyone know? TIA

[titanfan217]

I haven't looked @ wts of things like this, altho I do know I used QuickCrete some years ago. 90 seems an odd number (but it must be true, if a bag that size was found.) 50 lbs sounds more reasonable, and one would think the next would be 100. I don't know, maybe the lesser sizes have odd amounts, too. Like 23# or 42# or something like that.


Actually, it doesn't surprise me. They probably reduced the amount & the cost the same.

Used to get 10 lb. cat liter -- now it's 8 lb.

[LILMANMAX]

Actually, it doesn't surprise me. They probably reduced the amount & the cost the same.

Used to get 10 lb. cat liter -- now it's 8 lb.

Good point.
Just like ice cream - use to be 1/2 gallon, now it is 1.5 qts. And a higher price to boot.

[titanfan217]

Tomorrow afternoon, I think I'll try to set up a spreadsheet with the times that we have.

If anyone has specific ones that should be included, please PM me.



Off to enjoy a little of the outdoors.

[VC2]

Does any one remember why Easter was ruled out by the judge?

I find it interesting he was burning "receipts" at 5 in the morning the day after the abduction, and the perp had burned evidence he had with him at the gravesite. I could see remembering he had receipts from the store where he got latex gloves or that showed he was near the complex around the time neveah was abducted.

Then again its summer, if i was awake i suppose i would light a fire outside to so some burning at that hour rather than in the heat of the day :confused:

[sunstar]

Does any one remember why Easter was ruled out by the judge?

I find it interesting he was burning "receipts" at 5 in the morning the day after the abduction, and the perp had burned evidence he had with him at the gravesite. I could see remembering he had receipts from the store where he got latex gloves or that showed he was near the complex around the time neveah was abducted.

Then again its summer, if i was awake i suppose i would light a fire outside to so some burning at that hour rather than in the heat of the day :confused:

I find burning receipts kind of odd, no matter what time of day. Most people usually tear them up or toss them in the trash as is if it was a cash sale. :shrug: MOO

[Casecase]

How far is Kmart from the apartment complex? I can't remember the poster's nic, but s/he said the store within walking distance is a convenience store that closed @ 2pm on Sundays. So, why would she walk to a store that is closed? And had been since before Neveah was missing? Unless she tho't Neveah would not know/understand about the store being closed.

After the interview w/Easter, where he mentions LE was trying to say he followed Neveah out of Kmart---I wonder, do they have video or information from clerks that they went to Kmart on Sunday? And what time? Well before 3:45 (because she was eating lunch w/a friend @ 3pm) or after JB and Neveah left the neighbor's @ 3:30? Or, was this just one of the LE "techniques" to try to trip Easter up and get a confession?

Kmart is close. Maybe a mile if you're driving.


IMO

[Amy]

My eyes are blurred from reading so much here and MT. The little girl who came and told JB that Nevaeh was in the road with the scooter, has this been verified by LE.
I for the life of me cannot find that info.

Does anyone know? TIA

I also have not heard anything about the little girl except from what JB has said. Haven't seen anything from LE about questioning her--altho I am pretty sure there was reports that they had talked to two little boys, who evidently weren't out @ the time she disappeared, so am not sure what the relevance was for them to talk to them.

[Amy]

Kmart is close. Maybe a mile if you're driving.


IMO

Thanks. The way I was reading, it seemed JB "walked" to the store several times. Would she walk the mile to Kmart, or is this in reference to the nearby convenience store? Or, does she have a car? Whether she does or not, it always says "walked" to the store. Just something that makes me wonder.

[sunstar]

Thanks. The way I was reading, it seemed JB "walked" to the store several times. Would she walk the mile to Kmart, or is this in reference to the nearby convenience store? Or, does she have a car? Whether she does or not, it always says "walked" to the store. Just something that makes me wonder.

I'd think it would be the convenience store, especially if she was taking Nevaeh with her. A mile one way is a long distance with a 5 y/o in tow. MOO

[AmndaRcknwth]

Where are we getting that James Easter was burning receipts?

[baywench]

I'm at work so I just jumped on real fast...does anyone else think maybe gk and the guy that was burning the receipts may have done it together? All of a sudden I just had a feeling. jmo

[Amy]

I'd think it would be the convenience store, especially if she was taking Nevaeh with her. A mile one way is a long distance with a 5 y/o in tow. MOO

That's what I was thinking--and no one has mentioned cars, so don't know if she had one available to her that day to go to Kmart. The way I read some of the posts, it seems that they had gone to Kmart, but I never read that in any of the articles.

In fact, the first I heard about Kmart was in the interview w/Easter. And, it could very well be LE was just trying to trick him by talking about JB and Neveah being in Kmart. And, even if they were, it would have to have been well before 3, as that was when she was eating w/her friend, and it would seem they had probably played before that.

[Amy]

Where are we getting that James Easter was burning receipts?

It was in the news articles explaining why he was taken in for questioning. I hadn't read 5 am before, but it was reported that he was burning receipts in the night, after Neveah was gone.


http://www.monroenews.com/article/20...WS01/905319997 (http://www.monroenews.com/article/20090531/NEWS01/905319997)

[sunstar]

I'm at work so I just jumped on real fast...does anyone else think maybe gk and the guy that was burning the receipts may have done it together? All of a sudden I just had a feeling. jmo

The latest I can find on Easter (from 6/1) was that he'd been ruled out as a suspect.

Accused arsonist ruled out in Nevaeh's disappearance, judge says

Monroe -- A man whose backyard authorities dug up Sunday and was held on unrelated arson charges is no longer a person of interest in the case of missing 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchanan, a judge said today.

Police arrested 64-year-old James Easter, one of three named persons of interest, over the weekend. An arraignment was held this afternoon after he allegedly burned less than $200 in property and was unable to pay a $250 cash bond after being jailed.

"I've been informed by both the prosecutor's office and the sheriff's office that he is no longer a person of interest," District Judge Jack Vitale said at Easter's arraignment.

more at: http://www.detnews.com/article/20090601/METRO/906010391/1410/METRO01/Accused-arsonist-ruled-out-in-Nevaeh-s-disappearance--judge-says

[sunstar]

That's what I was thinking--and no one has mentioned cars, so don't know if she had one available to her that day to go to Kmart. The way I read some of the posts, it seems that they had gone to Kmart, but I never read that in any of the articles.

In fact, the first I heard about Kmart was in the interview w/Easter. And, it could very well be LE was just trying to trick him by talking about JB and Neveah being in Kmart. And, even if they were, it would have to have been well before 3, as that was when she was eating w/her friend, and it would seem they had probably played before that.

I read that KMart was a command post for searchers but beyond that, nothing. Of course I could've missed an article! :shrug:

[AmndaRcknwth]

It was in the news articles explaining why he was taken in for questioning. I hadn't read 5 am before, but it was reported that he was burning receipts in the night, after Neveah was gone.


http://www.monroenews.com/article/20...WS01/905319997 (http://www.monroenews.com/article/20090531/NEWS01/905319997)

TY for finding that Amy.

But it doesn't say receipts. It only says:

One of the updates the sheriff provided today was that a man by the name of James Easter has been designated a "person of interest" and was taken to Monroe County jail on unrelated charges. The sheriff would not confirm Mr. Easter's age or address or pending charges until after the initial arraignment takes place later today before the weekend judge on duty.

However, the sheriff said the suspicious activity report involved Mr. Easter being dropped off at his home in the Monroe area about 5 a.m. Friday and then a few minutes later starting to burn some items outside.

Officers then checked into the situation.


Nothing about receipts. Just "items"

[AmndaRcknwth]

I don't think it has anything to do with Kennedy, Smith or Easter.

[baywench]

The latest I can find on Easter (from 6/1) was that he'd been ruled out as a suspect.

Accused arsonist ruled out in Nevaeh's disappearance, judge says

Monroe -- A man whose backyard authorities dug up Sunday and was held on unrelated arson charges is no longer a person of interest in the case of missing 5-year-old Nevaeh Buchanan, a judge said today.

Police arrested 64-year-old James Easter, one of three named persons of interest, over the weekend. An arraignment was held this afternoon after he allegedly burned less than $200 in property and was unable to pay a $250 cash bond after being jailed.

"I've been informed by both the prosecutor's office and the sheriff's office that he is no longer a person of interest," District Judge Jack Vitale said at Easter's arraignment.

more at: http://www.detnews.com/article/20090601/METRO/906010391/1410/METRO01/Accused-arsonist-ruled-out-in-Nevaeh-s-disappearance--judge-says

Thanks SS....I swear with each case I post on my memory gets worse. I refuse to think it's age :wink:

[sunstar]

Thanks SS....I swear with each case I post on my memory gets worse. I refuse to think it's age :wink:

And try following more than one case at a time and you'll really be confused ~ like I am sometimes!! :biggrin:

[Casecase]

TY for finding that Amy.

But it doesn't say receipts. It only says:

One of the updates the sheriff provided today was that a man by the name of James Easter has been designated a "person of interest" and was taken to Monroe County jail on unrelated charges. The sheriff would not confirm Mr. Easter's age or address or pending charges until after the initial arraignment takes place later today before the weekend judge on duty.

However, the sheriff said the suspicious activity report involved Mr. Easter being dropped off at his home in the Monroe area about 5 a.m. Friday and then a few minutes later starting to burn some items outside.

Officers then checked into the situation.


Nothing about receipts. Just "items"


I was starting to think I was losing it because I remembered reading something about receipts, too. I found the article:

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090603/NEWS16/906039997/0/OPINION


IMO

[Dunlurken]

And try following more than one case at a time and you'll really be confused ~ like I am sometimes!! :biggrin:

Yeah, I thought I wound up on the "other" board where the guy left the gloves, etc. out on the road and was burning the receipt for the red spray paint can. Who am I; where am I? LOL.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I was starting to think I was losing it because I remembered reading something about receipts, too. I found the article:

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090603/NEWS16/906039997/0/OPINION


IMO

TYVM. That is really strange. Very strange.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Yeah, I thought I wound up on the "other" board where the guy left the gloves, etc. out on the road and was burning the receipt for the red spray paint can. Who am I; where am I? LOL.

LOL, I'm pretty sure this is why I started saving pics...

[sunstar]

Yeah, I thought I wound up on the "other" board where the guy left the gloves, etc. out on the road and was burning the receipt for the red spray paint can. Who am I; where am I? LOL.

I know exactly what you mean!! :smile:

[Hannibal]

it's not one of the sex offenders we have heard about...
I think it's an unsub.Someone who lives in the area who the child had lived/was seen but wasn't one of those we know about.
I don't think it's a convicted sex offender at all.
But someone who fantasized about the child, maybe who watched her and who saw her alone that day and decided to take advantage of the situation.

I do think people need to watch all the rumormongering particularly as it involved witnesses as it might discourage people from being witnesses in the future if they feel they would be wrongfully accused or have their names dragged through the mud.

:cursing:

[Texas48]

GK has a new girlfriend

Mom calls him when Nevaeh went missing. Why?

Timeline is screwy

GK's story changed from dropping off some friends to going fishing with girlfriend? When did he go fishing?

Regarding the vendetta theory posted up there by aproudmom, could it be GK was living at the home with them and grandma kicked him out. GK found JB no longer of use so he gets himself a new girlfriend but is enraged that he was kicked out and did this to Nevaeh to get back at grandma and mom?

Was mom trying to soften him up when she said he was like a father figure to Nevaeh in hopes that he would not harm her? Was she trying to defend him because she knew that he could possibly be the one who had Nevaeh? Is that why she failed the LDT? Maybe she knew he was somehow involved?

So many of your thoughts and questions are in my head n/t......I have even tried to push out the thought that this innocent baby girl's mother knows more than she was telling from the very first.....
I try my best not to judge without proof/facts but some of her words keep coming back and something just doesn't feel right...that ole *gut* feeling. kwim?
I don't want to hear or find out that another mother is involved in a child's murder.
My post and thoughts are my opinions only.:sad:

[Texas48]

it's not one of the sex offenders we have heard about...
I think it's an unsub.Someone who lives in the area who the child had lived/was seen but wasn't one of those we know about.
I don't think it's a convicted sex offender at all.
But someone who fantasized about the child, maybe who watched her and who saw her alone that day and decided to take advantage of the situation.

I do think people need to watch all the rumormongering particularly as it involved witnesses as it might discourage people from being witnesses in the future if they feel they would be wrongfully accused or have their names dragged through the mud.

:cursing: Bolded is mine...Excellent post..

[kitty1182]

I still have a bad feeling about this Kennedy guy..MO

[baywench]

I still have a bad feeling about this Kennedy guy..MO


Me too. It just seems like it would be a huge concidence that the Mom would have a sex offender boyfriend, and she called him, and he lives near a concrete plant but someone else entirely took her. Also, I understand what everyone is saying about the rumor thing but we're not doing it on this board. Everyone is really good about that. Especially on this thread. Some threads posters are asking for links constantly and that gets annoying. So....cheers to ya'll

[Mel]

Good morning. Remnants of a fire and a partially burned latex surgical glove? If that is relevant to the case, what could that possibly mean? I shudder to think.

this might be relevant to the case, but i know that it's not uncommon to find these type of gloves at fishing holes/spots...

eta..i also think it's possible Nevaeh was rolled down the steep hill.....i don't see someone carrying her down...it's just so steep...they may have rolled the bag of cement down also...

[Mel]

I don't think it has anything to do with Kennedy, Smith or Easter.

i tend to agree...Smith bugs me, but you're probably right...

[sunstar]

I still have a bad feeling about this Kennedy guy..MO

Hi kitty! :smile: I do too, and even though it may be he didn't harm Nevaeh himself, he may know who did ~ maybe by just telling the wrong person about her. MOO

[gogo]

You thought it originally because NG and JMV reported crap. first she was in the water NG askes ME what will the water do to dna etc. . She was not thrown in the water. "encased in cement" anything for Nancy and Jane to sensationalize. POssibly the kidnapper/murderer did not bury her for days. had plenty of time . She might have been alive for days as was Jessica Lunsford, God forbid. I hope the autopsy will reveal that to us through her stomach contents. Hope mom remembers the childs last meal. The thoughts are rattling in my brain. again, all over again. The poor Caylees, Haleighs, Jessicas and now this child. God help them. Why would anyone pour cement over the body? That's just too wierd. It appears as though she wasn't "encased" which I thought initially.

some criminals are just dumb. Actually, all of them are.

[VC2]

it's not one of the sex offenders we have heard about...
I think it's an unsub.Someone who lives in the area who the child had lived/was seen but wasn't one of those we know about.
I don't think it's a convicted sex offender at all.
But someone who fantasized about the child, maybe who watched her and who saw her alone that day and decided to take advantage of the situation.

I do think people need to watch all the rumormongering particularly as it involved witnesses as it might discourage people from being witnesses in the future if they feel they would be wrongfully accused or have their names dragged through the mud.

:cursing:

well i agree that i think its an unsub too.

None of the ones we know of seem sophisticated enough for that crime scene. (easter is an exception in that he is old enough but if its him imo its a complete fluke that he was picked up at all for questioning even and probably is not)

i know ppl call it weird to use the cement etc. but it seems to me this really was a methodical planned abduction done by someone who has abducted and raped little children before and probably murdered them.

I wonder if there are other patches of cement in places, be it monroe or other places in the country bc ppl do move over the years. That seems more like a signature Some serial killers repeatedly, leave psychological markers, called a signature. Signatures include posing, concealing victims, or inserting objects in the bodies after death for the killers gratification. As a killer needs to punish and degrade victims intensifies as they may develop unique preferences. to me:
http://karisable.com/crserial1.htm

I am willing to be surprised but i don't think GK who has never shown a preference for little children, or the other SO who also hasn't, had anything whatsoever to do with it.

Also, imo the reason the police chief said the killer is still out in the community is they know this, and once the body was found the way it was, i bet there is a fear of another abduction/murder. This guy will not stop and i expect that police around the country are combing their files for anyone who fits this type of grave scene.

Unfortunately it is often the really stupid ones who get caught. If this guy has not murdered before i am sure he has molested little girls before

IMO

[Mel]

Where are we getting that James Easter was burning receipts?

i was wondering the same thing:confused:
he told the Judge he was burning cardboard...

[VC2]

imo i don't think anyone needs to tell some evil creep about a little girl, they can find them so easily on their own. They smell the vulnerable ones just by looking at them, doesn't matter if they see them with their parent or not, they can tell the ones who might be emotionally neglected

Sex offenders themselves are known for considering the ones who molest little children as evil creeps. I mean people like GK would consider themselves different from them and want nothing to do with them imo. Look at the one whom he was friends with...it sure wasn't someone who went after little ones. We make a mistake if we lump them all in together.

The reason we are talking about and suspicious of GK etc. is simply that he is an SO but if he did it, it would be like a heterosexual suddenly raping people of their own sex. it happens but sexual preference is why SO's can't be cured and its pretty rare that a preference goes from a 15 year old teen to a 5 year old baby, and then to murder as well. Plus he knew if anything happened to neveah of all people he would be back in prison to serve out the rest of his sentence lickety split innocent of it or not because LE would know he was friends with a woman who had a child. If he wanted to rape and murder a little child, i think he would go for one that he could stalk but have no connection to

We don't have other names so he is who we discuss.

ETA i am NOT defending GK as an SO, just saying he is not a little girl molester in his past and even so's have their own ranking system.

How many children under 9 have disappeared within a 100 miles of Monroe? Anyone have a place to discover?

[sunstar]

well i agree that i think its an unsub too.

None of the ones we know of seem sophisticated enough for that crime scene. (easter is an exception in that he is old enough but if its him imo its a complete fluke that he was picked up at all for questioning even and probably is not)

i know ppl call it weird to use the cement etc. but it seems to me this really was a methodical planned abduction done by someone who has abducted and raped little children before and probably murdered them.

I wonder if there are other patches of cement in places, be it monroe or other places in the country bc ppl do move over the years. That seems more like a signature to me:
http://karisable.com/crserial1.htm

I am willing to be surprised but i don't think GK who has never shown a preference for little children, or the other SO who also hasn't, had anything whatsoever to do with it.

Also, imo the reason the police chief said the killer is still out in the community is they know this, and once the body was found the way it was, i bet there is a fear of another abduction/murder. This guy will not stop and i expect that police around the country are combing their files for anyone who fits this type of grave scene.

Unfortunately it is often the really stupid ones who get caught. If this guy has not murdered before i am sure he has molested little girls before

IMO

(bolding mine)

I am really leaning toward ruling him & Smith out as the actual murderer(s) because of this, since most SO stay with the same age group as victims. I still believe though that it may be someone GK and/or RS know and told about Nevaeh since it just seems too coincidental that JB knows these guys and her daughter is abducted and murdered. I also believe it was planned and whoever the perp is either had the bag of concrete prior to the murder or could even work with concrete at his job. MOO

eta ~ I just read your last post #114, and appreciate the insight.

[Mel]

TYVM. That is really strange. Very strange.

yes, i agree....he's been cleared though, it sounds like...did i read he's an arsonist?? (sp)....he probably gets his kicks from burning things in the fire ring outside..makes sense, i guess

from the quote below, by Sheriff Crutchfield, i think it's safe to say for sure, that Nevaeh went missing betw 6 & 7 pm that Sunday evening...

“We are also asking that anyone who was at the Hollywood School playground between 6 p.m. and 7 p.m. May 24 to contact us,” he said.

(from the link Casecase posted above)

[Mel]

snipped from VC2's post

How many children under 9 have disappeared within a 100 miles of Monroe? Anyone have a place to discover?

good question...i wouldn't know where to start though

[~jomomma~]

My eyes are blurred from reading so much here and MT. The little girl who came and told JB that Nevaeh was in the road with the scooter, has this been verified by LE.
I for the life of me cannot find that info.

Does anyone know? TIA

not that i've seen or heard! this is one of the things that's really bugging me. JB also said she had a friend there at that time. has THAT been verified? we certainly haven't heard from that person either. :mellow:

[Mel]

update - if this has been posted, sorry for the repeat...

http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19673182/index.html

it shows the video is about the Grandma, but it's not....reporter at the scene today..

possible evidence found on land & in the water...

[VC2]

(bolding mine)

I am really leaning toward ruling him & Smith out as the actual murderer(s) because of this, since most SO stay with the same age group as victims. I still believe though that it may be someone GK and/or RS know and told about Nevaeh since it just seems too coincidental that JB knows these guys and her daughter is abducted and murdered. I also believe it was planned and whoever the perp is either had the bag of concrete prior to the murder or could even work with concrete at his job. MOO

eta ~ I just read your last post #114, and appreciate the insight.

I agree the coincedence is a bit freaky, but as the saying goes, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. There is also nothing scarier than thinking the perp of something like this is a stranger. If it is someone who we can fit into the relationship of the family then it feels safer since of course none of us would have those sort of ppl around. (the of course was a little sarcastic, i doubt very much the van damm's had an inkling of westerfield their neighbor or that btk's friends and churchmembers had an inkling of him, or ted bundy's. or John Gacy, sometimes you just don't know even if they are a family member)

Until her body showed up i was prepared to think it was possibly GK or a friend of his, but now...imo its wide open to the worst sort of all, either a serial child rapist or serial killer and even if it is someone who the family knows, it will be a case of "omg i never imagined it could be xxx" no matter their history with LE on other charges.

its interesting that we have not heard of any requestioning of JB or GK or the other guy. i know gk is back to serve the rest of his sentence now but ...if they thought it was someone who was known to the mom i imagine she would have been requestioned just to get ideas on who else might have had access to cement or or or.

what he did with the body has been a game changer. not bc it is so disgusting but bc it immediately changes the profile imo.

[sunstar]

I agree the coincedence is a bit freaky, but as the saying goes, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. There is also nothing scarier than thinking the perp of something like this is a stranger. If it is someone who we can fit into the relationship of the family then it feels safer since of course none of us would have those sort of ppl around. (the of course was a little sarcastic, i doubt very much the van damm's had an inkling of westerfield their neighbor or that btk's friends and churchmembers had an inkling of him, or ted bundy's. or John Gacy, sometimes you just don't know even if they are a family member)

Until her body showed up i was prepared to think it was possibly GK or a friend of his, but now...imo its wide open to the worst sort of all, either a serial child rapist or serial killer and even if it is someone who the family knows, it will be a case of "omg i never imagined it could be xxx" no matter their history with LE on other charges.

its interesting that we have not heard of any requestioning of JB or GK or the other guy. i know gk is back to serve the rest of his sentence now but ...if they thought it was someone who was known to the mom i imagine she would have been requestioned just to get ideas on who else might have had access to cement or or or.

what he did with the body has been a game changer. not bc it is so disgusting but bc it immediately changes the profile imo.
I still criticize JB for associating with RSOs but at the same time, if GK is the perp, what good did this do him ~ he's back in prison on a parole violation and a suspect in Nevaeh's murder. He sure had to know he'd be a suspect because of his past history. So in a way, he's too obvious. However, we don't know everyone he associated with or maybe this could just be a big coincidence, and it is someone totally unrelated to either JB or him. And let's not forget the strangest case yet ~ the little girl in CA assaulted & murdered (allegedly) by a woman! :scared: MOO

[~jomomma~]

update - if this has been posted, sorry for the repeat...

http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/19673182/index.html

it shows the video is about the Grandma, but it's not....reporter at the scene today..

possible evidence found on land & in the water...

thanks mel!

so, it's sounding promising that they're finding more evidence!
and....they took JB in for more questioning? that is GREAT!!

cuz, i'm not believing her stories. :sneaky:

[~jomomma~]

foxtoledo just reported that the autopsy is complete

[VC2]

thanks mel!

so, it's sounding promising that they're finding more evidence!
and....they took JB in for more questioning? that is GREAT!!

cuz, i'm not believing her stories. :sneaky:

i cant watch video, did they say they "took her in" as in they detained her, or did they just want to ask her more questions? or since autopsy complete, could it have been so she could see Neveah at the same time as ansering questions?

I mentioned i was surprised they had not already, so yes glad they did.i do not think it means she was responsible (unless she wasnt sexually assaulted, which would be shocking). i just think that the profile has changed from some yo yo who would be an obvious thought, to someone different and all sorts of new questions need to be asked about who she knows, who they know, about family members who might work with cement, etc etc.

IMO
eta and one reason i feel that JB has nothing to do with it unless it was "just" a beating, is that it makes no sense...no motive, her mom had custody. Another is i think she is far to stupid to have come up with this mode of disposal.

[VC2]

I still criticize JB for associating with RSOs but at the same time, if GK is the perp, what good did this do him ~ he's back in prison on a parole violation and a suspect in Nevaeh's murder. He sure had to know he'd be a suspect because of his past history. So in a way, he's too obvious. However, we don't know everyone he associated with or maybe this could just be a big coincidence, and it is someone totally unrelated to either JB or him. And let's not forget the strangest case yet ~ the little girl in CA assaulted & murdered (allegedly) by a woman! :scared: MOO

yep! and tori's case, two creeps - motive sexual assault allegedly, one a woman-not the mom everyone was sure did it (again one i disagreed on bc i saw zero motive, a time line that made no sense for it to be her and just bc of not being perfect parents and ppl ,,,no motive again). the ppl who do this to little kids unless its truly a within family thing where the lies are so obvious generally right away, history of abuse etc etc. are a special evil breed who don't need to have a motive beyond their wish to torture, rape and kill a child.

IMO

[aproudmom]

I'm going to be a pain and ask for a link to this article. ;) This is the first I am hearing about Kmart other than reading comments posted by locals, which I take with a large grain of salt. TIA.

sorry just got back on had enough for a day anyway sorry I usually do have the link if you look at most of my post but sorry I am going to have to be a pain cause I do not want to weed through everything I have read to find a link that could or could not be true there are so many stories it would be nice to see ONE that matches.

I WILL PUT IMO..I can not and really do not feel like ready anymore at this point until it is the real facts...IT WAS NOT IN A COMMENT AREA I can remember that much it

Sorry may look tomorrow for it but if you look at some interviews of EASTER HE IS THE ONE THAT SAID IT he took his G/F somewhere that day and LE kept asking him if he saw her at KMART that day and blah blah blah..not being a butt just at this point I have read so much I don't know what to believe no one is on the right page at this point

[aproudmom]

I'm going to be a pain and ask for a link to this article. ;) This is the first I am hearing about Kmart other than reading comments posted by locals, which I take with a large grain of salt. TIA.

It was his words if you look at his statements he also goes into more detail he said they tried to box him in by asking IF he did it how would he lure a child away and he said park by some nail salon??DONT ASK ME and have a KIT-KAT candy bar...so the below is his words not from a comment section I am not sure if this was when he talked to the judge or when he said he wanted a apology

Originally Posted by aproudmom
ok here we see Kmart so he says they were only telling him that she was at Kmart

Easter said he learned of Nevaeh's disappearance when he was called by a girlfriend who lives at the Charlotte Arms Apartments, where the girl had disappeared while playing alone in the parking lot. His girlfriend said she needed a ride to the store, saying the apartment complex was abuzz over the missing girl, he said.

"I had a hard time thinking in my head," Easter said of the questioning.

He told authorities he had been at Kmart that night. He said investigators tried to pin him down, acting like Nevaeh was at the store with her mother that day.

"They kept telling me, 'you followed her out of Kmart,' said.

[VC2]

we say neveah never had a chance, which may or may not be true..but as we are thinking of all these evil cases, i just read one which shows that there are some killers who never had a chance to become anything else either.

This case here, Joshua Andrews, is in a nutshell what happens to many of these people as children and twists them forever into the very type of people who caused their pain. http://karisable.com/crandrews.htm In April 1982, Joshua Andrews, was 2 months old when his father, Maurice Andrews, was accused of killing 2 men during the robbery of a jewelry store in Beaumont, Texas. His son's visited him on Texas' death row until he was fatally stabbed by another death row inmate in April 1995.

When Joshua Andrews was 8, he received 3rd-degree burns on his face when a neighbor boy threw gasoline on him and lighted a match. His vocal cords were scorched, and doctors had to make him a new ear. "We prayed and prayed and prayed," she said. "He woke up one day and said, 'Mommy, I'm hungry.' I just cried, because his voice had come back."

He was teased by other children, who called him "crispy critter" and other names. He was later known as "Scarface." His mother recalls the fire was the turning point for a son who was a normal boy prior to that tragedy.

As a 9 year old, he tried to help his mother when her 3rd husband chased her down a street with a butcher knife His juvenile arrest record started at age 12.

One thing i agree wtih JVM on, until we address the roots of the problem we won't be able to change the results. Children need to be given extensive therapy if they have been sexually molested, horrifically abused or show signs of trouble early. The government needs to make it free of charge because its a heck of a lot cheaper than these people killing or raping or molesting or all 3 later on. For some, the bough bends, for others it breaks. for most it bends but they need just as much helping dealing with it as those who break..but the ones who break cause further evil.

Changing the laws now is important but it is VITAL that we start trying to change the children who grow into these people. The laws cannot stop the ones until they get caught.

I am TIRED of the broken, the murdered, the assaulted children and until we start trying to undo the damage these creeps cause we will keep having them. Most are made not born, made through abuse that stunts consciences in little ones bc they learned they can't care about anyone or anything, it hurts to much..made through hate and evil that destroys any soul in them, made because they learn what they live and have never learned anything but poverty and violence and twistedness from their caregivers. Made because there was no one to help, no one to actually care. Gangs get their members partly because so many of them have no real family to speak of, not anyone you would call "family" as we know it but the gang offers a family. People who seem to want them and care about them.

sorry for my rant but read that story..its not as bad as many but i think it has so many elements of what the root causes are...and even turning her child into police could not change it. I wonder if years of therapy from a young age would have

[Amy]

Thanks SS....I swear with each case I post on my memory gets worse. I refuse to think it's age :wink:

I'm the "oldest" @ work, and occasionally worry when I can't remember something, or get somethings confused. Then, the 20 and 30 y/o coworkers up and do the same thing, and I feel a lot better. Heck, I remember (believe it or not, lol) even when I also was in my 20's and 30's and having "memory" problems. It was explained to me then, that there was so much information overload, it was not unusual for about everybody to have problems. And, now, 20+ years later, just look how much MORE information there is to overload our minds!!!!

And, add to that, you are probably following more than one case, each case has its portion of rumors and downright lies. And the similarities make it easy to confuse one case w/the other.

(Hope you feel better now--not to worry about age, it's just information overload!!!! :wink:)

[aproudmom]

OK thanks to my fellow poster who ask for a link about what Easter said now I am in GOOGLE mode once again was really trying hard not to and just watch my shows I have missed this week but darn thanks now I have to find some links...lol:biggrin: If you noticed in my earlier post it said Easter was only told she was at KMART I have NOT posted she was..so not even sure why a link was so important since I posted what he said LE was asking him the night they talked to him or arrested him just by this link you can clearly see he wants someone to get down on hands and knees and beg him to forgive them..IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN they were looking for a missing child and he was in that area he was burning stuff they had every right to be very suspicious funny now he was made to sleep on floors I SEE HIM TRYING TO GET SOME BUCKS but wonder if he has filed a report yet.:thumbdown: all JMO of course..OK off to watch my show the bachelorette hope this helps I think this is were the KMART came in not so much that JB was there for sure just that EASTER and his G/F was

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090603/NEWS16/906039997

MONROE — The 64-year-old grandfather who was questioned and then cleared in the disappearance of Nevaeh Buchanan told The Blade Tuesday he was wrongly targeted by police and forced to sleep on the floor in a jail cell.

I park where they found the scooter, they used that for the thing to say I must have been the one because the scooter was near where I parked,” he said.

Mr. Easter said he drove to the apartment complex in the days after the girl’s disappearance to pick up his girlfriend, Janie Austin, a resident of the complex, because she needed a ride to go shopping. He said that visit may have raised the suspicions of investigators

He said he presented receipts for purchases he made at Kmart, Wal-Mart, and Lowe’s on the days in question.
“They showed dates where I was,” he said.

After being dropped after questioning, Mr. Easter said he went into his duplex, peeked outside to make sure they were gone, and waited about 10 minutes to go outside to start a fire in a pit in the backyard.

I happened to gather some of the receipts because they were through looking at them,” and because he wanted to have a little fire in his fire ring, he decided to burn them inside a TV dinner box, he said.

Monroe County Sheriff’s Capt. Dan Motylinski said he was unaware of the conditions in which authorities left Mr. Easter’s home after their search and that if Mr. Easter has issues with the way the search was conducted or his treatment while in custody at the jail, he can make a complaint with the sheriff’s office.

[Amy]

You thought it originally because NG and JMV reported crap. first she was in the water NG askes ME what will the water do to dna etc. . She was not thrown in the water. "encased in cement" anything for Nancy and Jane to sensationalize. POssibly the kidnapper/murderer did not bury her for days. had plenty of time . She might have been alive for days as was Jessica Lunsford, God forbid. I hope the autopsy will reveal that to us through her stomach contents. Hope mom remembers the childs last meal. The thoughts are rattling in my brain. again, all over again. The poor Caylees, Haleighs, Jessicas and now this child. God help them.

I do hate it when NG and the others "get it wrong." NG is the worst, tho. Times are when one of the TH's will make a correction--and very politely, tactfully IMO--and she either bites their heads off or ignores what they said entirely. And then, the next day and the next day ad nauseum, she continues to repeat the incorrect info. Not all the time, but plenty of the times. I don't watch JVM much @ all, so don't know about her correcting misinformation she has put out.

I really do think that, as investigative reporters or whatever they are supposed to be, that they would read up, keep up, and check out all the information. But, I guess, since they are listed as entertainment shows.......

[Amy]

it's not one of the sex offenders we have heard about...
I think it's an unsub.Someone who lives in the area who the child had lived/was seen but wasn't one of those we know about.
I don't think it's a convicted sex offender at all.
But someone who fantasized about the child, maybe who watched her and who saw her alone that day and decided to take advantage of the situation.

I do think people need to watch all the rumormongering particularly as it involved witnesses as it might discourage people from being witnesses in the future if they feel they would be wrongfully accused or have their names dragged through the mud.

:cursing:

Been trying to figure out what unsub stands for. I figure it's unknown something or other? TIA

[doctor_J]

Amy, I think it's unknown subject -- from the show "Criminal Minds".

[aproudmom]

I'm going to be a pain and ask for a link to this article. ;) This is the first I am hearing about Kmart other than reading comments posted by locals, which I take with a large grain of salt. TIA.

dul please except my apology if I sounded rude about the link it was just that I am not one that likes to spread rumors and it was not from a comment area...and it was what EASTER said himself and I usually do have the link if you look at my postings..I think at the time I posted that which was my last one of the day I was way into overload of my brain and could not read another thing about how this child was found and what some forums were saying about the man who found her so I got off line and spent time with my boys..sorry if you felt I was dodging your question on a link..I was not in such a good mood but I think I did the right thing and just logged off for awhile..anyway I will look but in this he is once again talking about Kmart and in the one I posted earlier he said they told him JB and Nevaeh was at Kmart not that they were FORSURE..so I am not sure I think ALOT of locals ran with that statement and just assume she was there the neighbors statements makes it sound as if she left for awhile then some sound like they left..so I AM LOST sorry again but thanks a lot for wanting a darn link..LOL :tonguewag:...jmo

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090603/NEWS16/906039997

[VC2]

I do hate it when NG and the others "get it wrong." NG is the worst, tho. Times are when one of the TH's will make a correction--and very politely, tactfully IMO--and she either bites their heads off or ignores what they said entirely. And then, the next day and the next day ad nauseum, she continues to repeat the incorrect info. Not all the time, but plenty of the times. I don't watch JVM much @ all, so don't know about her correcting misinformation she has put out.

I really do think that, as investigative reporters or whatever they are supposed to be, that they would read up, keep up, and check out all the information. But, I guess, since they are listed as entertainment shows.......

Nancy is the furthest thing from an investigative reporter there is. She repeats incorrect info over and over on purpose imo bc it is more sensational. If someone actually tries to put facts in she twists it or gets angry.

I watch her when there is a case i am interested in, muting her and her panel, and turning the volume on for the interviews with LE or with ppl involved or a reporter. Otherwise its nothing but entertainment, sad entertainment bc itgives out so much false info.

JVM really is more what her show is named "issues" and she often will stop panelists either from falsehoods or just innuendo which is unfair. Example sandra cantu and haleigh cummings, in both guests talked about "trailer trash" types and she blasted them for suggesting ppl who live in trailer parks are trash.

friday she has a fascinating piece on what i was sort of addressing but differently, 70% of all inmates have drug or alcohol addictions. If we started to really work on getting help for those people BEFORE the drugs turned them into evyerhting from drunk drivers to crack addicts to pcp users who end up literally biting their childs eyes out, the overcrowding and cost of jails would be halved. Compare the cost of expanding treatment programs in the areas needed...often poverty stricken, no way they can afford in house rehab, no insurance etc. to the cost of housing them because the drugs turned them into people who did evil things. cost financially only and cost to the community in reduction of burglaries, murders and other crimes.

IMO

[aproudmom]

Can anyone confirm what they are reporting is true..video on side:crying: omg if true they traced a beer can and are saying she was nude but clothes buried with her..this is just why I had to stop earlier..it just seems to get worse if this was left by her killer they took time to drink a freaking beer...OFGS..No matter what this person knew that area knew were they were going and I am starting to wonder if perhaps this person did not have this spot ready...does not look to be a huge hole at all..how would they know that someone would not spot a car IMO there was no car right there to risky for anyone unless they really wanted her to be found this is a known fishing spot so I wonder if anyone had fished there in the past 11 or so days..surely they would come forward if they had nothing to do with it..I pray they catch this EVIL MONSTER OR MONSTERS

video on side
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/090605_nevaeh_friday

[moonlite]

I don't think it has anything to do with Kennedy, Smith or Easter.

Greetings"
Amanda"

I agree with you!!! I don't think it was either of them. I'm waiting to hear what the autopsy report shows? We don't know for sure how Nevaeh was murder.

Moonlite

[moonlite]

Can anyone confirm what they are reporting is true..video on side:crying: omg if true they traced a beer can and are saying she was nude but clothes buried with her..this is just why I had to stop earlier..it just seems to get worse if this was left by her killer they took time to drink a freaking beer...OFGS..No matter what this person knew that area knew were they were going and I am starting to wonder if perhaps this person did not have this spot ready...does not look to be a huge hole at all..how would they know that someone would not spot a car IMO there was no car right there to risky for anyone unless they really wanted her to be found this is a known fishing spot so I wonder if anyone had fished there in the past 11 or so days..surely they would come forward if they had nothing to do with it..I pray they catch this EVIL MONSTER OR MONSTERS

video on side
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/090605_nevaeh_friday

Greetings'
Aproudmom"

I heard it too. I'm not sure how accurate the news person is though? If it is true' it does follow along with premeditation. I still think it was a person known to Nevaeh. I disagree with the concept that the killers methods are sophisticated. By the way Nevaeh was buried only shows the killer has remorse and guilt and wanted her to be found.
Maybe the placement of the clothes if it is true; is a cover to make it look like a perp?

I guess we shall all learn more once the autopsy report comes back?
I don't believe the killer or killer's are that smart, if they left evidence at the scene.IMO

Moonlite

[5swab5]

Man O' Man,

I can't even imagine the false leads + the irreverent shrapnel that the poor police are having to sift through.

The place sounds like it is way off the beaten track. Just the place for anyone to accidentally leave a beer can behind, and find themselves in DEEP poop. Littering is bad, but still...gotta be a bunch of locals sweatin' 'bout now.

[5swab5]

Greetings'
Aproudmom"

I heard it too. I'm not sure how accurate the news person is though? If it is true' it does follow along with premeditation. I still think it was a person known to Nevaeh. I disagree with the concept that the killers methods are sophisticated. By the way Nevaeh was buried only shows the killer has remorse and guilt and wanted her to be found.
Maybe the placement of the clothes if it is true; is a cover to make it look like a perp?

I guess we shall all learn more once the autopsy report comes back?
I don't believe the killer or killer's are that smart, if they left evidence at the scene.IMO

Moonlite

I was thinking that whoever buried her was trying to finally protect her. The concrete is NUTZ! Why not toss her in the river. Someone was trying TOO late to protect that child from harm.

TWO people, would be my guess.

RIP NevaeH. :rose:

[aproudmom]

I do not think JB went to Kmart they have video cameras so that one I am saying IMO no it never happened..did she leave who knows but why did she never say her and Nevaeh went here or there not one time does she say she left that apartment that day..IMO a rumor

story one/ a friend came and said Nevaeh was in the parking lot she got up went down and she was gone her scooter was there this friend stayed the night has anyone confirmed it so far I have not heard from her parents..

Story two/ she was playing at apartment even confirmed that she told Nevaeh's father that also he ask her why she did not walk her there cause she has a mind of a 10yr old she said..

Story three/ she came in changed clothes went to a friends apartment no mention of the little girl at all telling her she was in the road...

feel free to add to her statements cause I sure can not keep up with them...is this mom on some I FORGOT PILL or what

neighbors said she was at their place pretty much all afternoon no mention of this little girl who stayed the night per JB statement were was this little girl at???playing in the road??they said she ate there and JB came and got her..is this the same boy that said he tried to save her from Daddy G?? so from 3:30 ish I am guessing no one saw Nevaeh until JB was looking for her around 6:30 ish..am I correct??TIA



“She left our house at 3:30, 3:45,” said Austin Kuhn's mother, Crystal Kuhn, 33, who lives a floor up from Nevaeh’s apartment. “They had to go to the store.”


The two children had played inside the boy’s apartment most of the afternoon, then Nevaeh left with her mother, Jennifer Buchanan, Kuhn said.
http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036

[need2no]

I do not think JB went to Kmart they have video cameras so that one I am saying IMO no it never happened..did she leave who knows but why did she never say her and Nevaeh went here or there not one time does she say she left that apartment that day..IMO a rumor

story one/ a friend came and said Nevaeh was in the parking lot she got up went down and she was gone her scooter was there this friend stayed the night has anyone confirmed it so far I have not heard from her parents..

Story two/ she was playing at apartment even confirmed that she told Nevaeh's father that also he ask her why she did not walk her there cause she has a mind of a 10yr old she said..

Story three/ she came in changed clothes went to a friends apartment no mention of the little girl at all telling her she was in the road...

feel free to add to her statements cause I sure can not keep up with them...is this mom on some I FORGOT PILL or what

neighbors said she was at their place pretty much all afternoon no mention of this little girl who stayed the night per JB statement were was this little girl at???playing in the road??they said she ate there and JB came and got her..is this the same boy that said he tried to save her from Daddy G?? so from 3:30 ish I am guessing no one saw Nevaeh until JB was looking for her around 6:30 ish..am I correct??TIA



“She left our house at 3:30, 3:45,” said Austin Kuhn's mother, Crystal Kuhn, 33, who lives a floor up from Nevaeh’s apartment. “They had to go to the store.”


The two children had played inside the boy’s apartment most of the afternoon, then Nevaeh left with her mother, Jennifer Buchanan, Kuhn said.
http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036

BUCHANAN: Exactly 6:30 PM, the little girl came in that had stayed the night with me and my daughter. Her and her mother was -- her mother was inside my house. The little girl was outside playing with my daughter, along with a few other kids. The little girl came in, and she said, Nevaeh`s outside, riding her scooter in the road, but it`s a parking lot. And I went out there to tell her not to ride it in the road or parking lot, and she`s -- she was gone. I couldn`t find her. I yelled for her. I hadn`t seen the scooter, at that point. I was looking at least 30 to 45 minutes until I actually noticed the scooter.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/02/ng.01.html

[VC2]

Here are a couple of unsolveds i found:

MONROE-Police Chief Robert,
, Wesche said today that "many
aduJts and young people" are being
questioned in the murder of
Renee Freer, 8, whose bludgeond
body was found Wednesday
light in the woods near her
home.
http://www.officialcoldcaseinvestigations.com/showthread.php?p=20462

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9051489
another one with a bizarre location. wonder if anyone in monroe lived in constatine at the time, her body was found in a cemetary:

Constantine police are investigating a murder after finding the body of an 11 year old girl in a cemetery.

They say Jodi Christine Parrack never made it home after playing with some friends and was found by a group of people, including her mother.

Since Constantine is a small community, so they're relying on just about any tip a person can bring in.

Police say Jodi was last seen around 4:45 Thursday afternoon and was found dead in the cemetery around 10:30.

IMO a little old but.....

[moonlite]

this might be relevant to the case, but i know that it's not uncommon to find these type of gloves at fishing holes/spots...

eta..i also think it's possible Nevaeh was rolled down the steep hill.....i don't see someone carrying her down...it's just so steep...they may have rolled the bag of cement down also...

Greetings'
Mel"

Don't you think if Nevaeh was rolled down a hill there might appear trauma to the body? Now were also assuming she was not alive at the time by river bank? But we don't know until the autopsy report comes back. I think the initial reports so far has been no obvious signs of trauma?

Moonlite

[Essence]

So hard to know who killed this little one. It seems that she had so many perverts in her life; and no telling who else THEY introduced her to along the way. One thing for sure, whoever did do it; they need to pay with their own life!

[Amy]

Can anyone confirm what they are reporting is true..video on side:crying: omg if true they traced a beer can and are saying she was nude but clothes buried with her..this is just why I had to stop earlier..it just seems to get worse if this was left by her killer they took time to drink a freaking beer...OFGS..No matter what this person knew that area knew were they were going and I am starting to wonder if perhaps this person did not have this spot ready...does not look to be a huge hole at all..how would they know that someone would not spot a car IMO there was no car right there to risky for anyone unless they really wanted her to be found this is a known fishing spot so I wonder if anyone had fished there in the past 11 or so days..surely they would come forward if they had nothing to do with it..I pray they catch this EVIL MONSTER OR MONSTERS

video on side
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/090605_nevaeh_friday


I would be reluctant to come forward, even tho I am innocent, for fear that I would be the target of LE or the public in trying to make me the fall guy for the murder.

As for the beer can, what if it is a can the murderer found laying around, and picked it up with his gloved hands and placed it in the grave or cement or wherever it was? It wouldn't have HIS prints on it, and LE would be run ragged trying to find out whose it is. And, if it is identified, some poor fellow who had nothing to do with anything might become the suspect. Or, it could be from the perp.

[dulcinea]

sorry just got back on had enough for a day anyway sorry I usually do have the link if you look at most of my post but sorry I am going to have to be a pain cause I do not want to weed through everything I have read to find a link that could or could not be true there are so many stories it would be nice to see ONE that matches.

I WILL PUT IMO..I can not and really do not feel like ready anymore at this point until it is the real facts...IT WAS NOT IN A COMMENT AREA I can remember that much it

Sorry may look tomorrow for it but if you look at some interviews of EASTER HE IS THE ONE THAT SAID IT he took his G/F somewhere that day and LE kept asking him if he saw her at KMART that day and blah blah blah..not being a butt just at this point I have read so much I don't know what to believe no one is on the right page at this point


No problem! I know you are a responsible poster who usually includes the links. I just thought it was really strange to read about Kmart on the "local site" and then see it here. I thought I'd missed something. It was the first I'd heard about it and I wanted to know if it was just a rumor or if there was more to it because as far as I could remember JB never mentioned anything about Kmart. I am so confused as to how everything fits together. IMO, her version of the timeline doesn't make sense, but there are so many contradictions in almost everything that comes out in this case that I've stopped trying to figure it all out. I have my suspicions about her because I can't make sense of her timeline and if this Kmart detail was new it was going to add to the suspicions. I am at a loss as to where Kmart fits into this and why LE would pose this question to a POI if she was never there, but then again nothing is making sense to me. As you say, it would be nice to see at least two articles agree with each other on the details. Why is everything so convoluted in this case? Is it poor media or something else?

[dulcinea]

I would be reluctant to come forward, even tho I am innocent, for fear that I would be the target of LE or the public in trying to make me the fall guy for the murder.

As for the beer can, what if it is a can the murderer found laying around, and picked it up with his gloved hands and placed it in the grave or cement or wherever it was? It wouldn't have HIS prints on it, and LE would be run ragged trying to find out whose it is. And, if it is identified, some poor fellow who had nothing to do with anything might become the suspect. Or, it could be from the perp.

I've had similar thoughts about the beer can. Who is to say it wasn't already there? I also wonder about the fire, if they can determine how long ago it burned. We used to fish along the river all the time and build a fire. I don't think it's that uncommon, but I am from middle -of-nowhere Michigan. I am curious to know how much of this evidence is directly related to the case and how much was already there at the scene. I have tremendous faith in the Michigan State Crime Lab and I'm sure they will sort it all out.

[Amy]

I do not think JB went to Kmart they have video cameras so that one I am saying IMO no it never happened..did she leave who knows but why did she never say her and Nevaeh went here or there not one time does she say she left that apartment that day..IMO a rumor

story one/ a friend came and said Nevaeh was in the parking lot she got up went down and she was gone her scooter was there this friend stayed the night has anyone confirmed it so far I have not heard from her parents..

Story two/ she was playing at apartment even confirmed that she told Nevaeh's father that also he ask her why she did not walk her there cause she has a mind of a 10yr old she said..

Story three/ she came in changed clothes went to a friends apartment no mention of the little girl at all telling her she was in the road...

feel free to add to her statements cause I sure can not keep up with them...is this mom on some I FORGOT PILL or what

neighbors said she was at their place pretty much all afternoon no mention of this little girl who stayed the night per JB statement were was this little girl at???playing in the road??they said she ate there and JB came and got her..is this the same boy that said he tried to save her from Daddy G?? so from 3:30 ish I am guessing no one saw Nevaeh until JB was looking for her around 6:30 ish..am I correct??TIA



“She left our house at 3:30, 3:45,” said Austin Kuhn's mother, Crystal Kuhn, 33, who lives a floor up from Nevaeh’s apartment. “They had to go to the store.”


The two children had played inside the boy’s apartment most of the afternoon, then Nevaeh left with her mother, Jennifer Buchanan, Kuhn said.
http://www.freep.com/article/20090605/NEWS05/90605036

I had the same question about the girl that supposedly spent the night--was she also playing w/the neighbor boy? His mom makes no mention of that. Did the little girl go home in the morning? If so, what was the purpose of saying she had stayed the night? I would guess LE has already checked w/her about what went on.

I'm w/you. In all that I have read and heard on the videos, it really looks to me like JB had not seen nor checked on Neveah once she left the apartment after changing clothes about 3:45. IMO

There again, was NO mention of going to ANY store after JB and Neveah left the neighbors' apt about 3:30. Wonder why she would tell the neighbor that, and then not go? (Cuz I would think she would mention that, if they had.) Maybe because the little girl's mom came over and she visited instead?

[shadowdiana]

Greetings'
Mel"

Don't you think if Nevaeh was rolled down a hill there might appear trauma to the body? Now were also assuming she was not alive at the time by river bank? But we don't know until the autopsy report comes back. I think the initial reports so far has been no obvious signs of trauma?

Moonlite

There may well be no evidence of trauma if the body was rolled down post mortem.
No bruising, etc would occur.
And the bank is steep, but bot that far down. And it was grassy = soft. IMO

[moonlite]

[QUOTE=5swab5;13175217]I was thinking that whoever buried her was trying to finally protect her. The concrete is NUTZ! Why not toss her in the river. Someone was trying TOO late to protect that child from harm.

TWO people, would be my guess.

Greetings'
5Swab5'

You very well could be right!! I agree there might be more than one person involved.
To me the concrete only says; remorse for what has happened.
The person or persons are not very smart to bury a body by a river where the concrete could possibly not set up right. IMO, that is so not sophisticated.
I do think it's significant that Nevaeh's was buried where she was by the water. I think the killer is making a big statement by doing that. I mean water is a symbol of purity and cleanliness.

Moonlite

[Amy]

No problem! I know you are a responsible poster who usually includes the links. I just thought it was really strange to read about Kmart on the "local site" and then see it here. I thought I'd missed something. It was the first I'd heard about it and I wanted to know if it was just a rumor or if there was more to it because as far as I could remember JB never mentioned anything about Kmart. I am so confused as to how everything fits together. IMO, her version of the timeline doesn't make sense, but there are so many contradictions in almost everything that comes out in this case that I've stopped trying to figure it all out. I have my suspicions about her because I can't make sense of her timeline and if this Kmart detail was new it was going to add to the suspicions. I am at a loss as to where Kmart fits into this and why LE would pose this question to a POI if she was never there, but then again nothing is making sense to me. As you say, it would be nice to see at least two articles agree with each other on the details. Why is everything so convoluted in this case? Is it poor media or something else?

I remember reading the article, it was quoting Easter. From what I read, I think LE saw that he had gone to Kmart (maybe even had the info from the neighbor that JB was going to the store when they left her place) and just was trying to trick him into some sort of confession.

That is the only mention I had seen of Kmart, actually. Never read about it in any article. In the ones I went back to review, the only time Kmart is mentioned in those was that Easter had been there, and had receipts. But never anything about JB and Neveah being @ Kmart, not even as rumor or as "a source close to the case'/family" thing.

[aproudmom]

Just looking through old links and guess I missed this one FYI she did not get out of jail until Jan 2009 also does anyone remember the name of the little girl that said she saw a bad man get her..IIRC it was not a common name but can not find it anywhere I know I saw it 1 time but on NG the father gave a name of the little girl and it was like Lisa or something very common he said that is what JB told him....also do we know anything about this Savannah Gray GK G/F I can not find her on anything..


We're all in a waiting game right now," said Buchanan, who has been unemployed since losing her job caring for elderly nuns last year. "I don't see her just running off. She's never done that before."

http://www.freep.com/article/20090526/NEWS05/90526013/Where+s+Nevaeh?+Mom+s+boyfriend+quizzed+

[dulcinea]

dul please except my apology if I sounded rude about the link it was just that I am not one that likes to spread rumors and it was not from a comment area...and it was what EASTER said himself and I usually do have the link if you look at my postings..I think at the time I posted that which was my last one of the day I was way into overload of my brain and could not read another thing about how this child was found and what some forums were saying about the man who found her so I got off line and spent time with my boys..sorry if you felt I was dodging your question on a link..I was not in such a good mood but I think I did the right thing and just logged off for awhile..anyway I will look but in this he is once again talking about Kmart and in the one I posted earlier he said they told him JB and Nevaeh was at Kmart not that they were FORSURE..so I am not sure I think ALOT of locals ran with that statement and just assume she was there the neighbors statements makes it sound as if she left for awhile then some sound like they left..so I AM LOST sorry again but thanks a lot for wanting a darn link..LOL :tonguewag:...jmo

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090603/NEWS16/906039997


No apology needed. I just wanted to see for myself what was said in entirety in reference to Kmart (other than what the locals said) because I'd never read it anywhere. It wasn't making any sense and I'm still not quite sure what it has to do with anything. Maybe they were just trying to trip him up, but if JB and Nevaeh were never at Kmart I don't know why it would. That's what I was trying to confirm, that they were at the store, because I didn't recall JB ever saying they had gone there. I thought maybe it was a missing piece to the enigma of a timeline.

[aproudmom]

I remember reading the article, it was quoting Easter. From what I read, I think LE saw that he had gone to Kmart (maybe even had the info from the neighbor that JB was going to the store when they left her place) and just was trying to trick him into some sort of confession.

That is the only mention I had seen of Kmart, actually. Never read about it in any article. In the ones I went back to review, the only time Kmart is mentioned in those was that Easter had been there, and had receipts. But never anything about JB and Neveah being @ Kmart, not even as rumor or as "a source close to the case'/family" thing.

that is what I am guessing also cause all the stores he was at would have video or they do around here..plus JB has never said she left with her to go to the store at all so I am guessing they were just doing all they could to see if he would break and admit to something..this is very common during a investigation to make them think they have something..and he is the one saying they went to Kmart they being him and his G/F

[moonlite]

There may well be no evidence of trauma if the body was rolled down post mortem.
No bruising, etc would occur.
And the bank is steep, but bot that far down. And it was grassy = soft. IMO

Greetings'
Shadowdiana"


You very well could be right!! But logic would say'IMO there would be scraps and bruising. I think more likely than not she was carried if there was no out ward sign? I think we all need to see what the autopsy results are.IMO

Moonlite

[5swab5]

[QUOTE=5swab5;13175217]I was thinking that whoever buried her was trying to finally protect her. The concrete is NUTZ! Why not toss her in the river. Someone was trying TOO late to protect that child from harm.

TWO people, would be my guess.

Greetings'
5Swab5'

You very well could be right!! I agree there might be more than one person involved.
To me the concrete only says; remorse for what has happened.
The person or persons are not very smart to bury a body by a river where the concrete could possibly not set up right. IMO, that is so not sophisticated.
I do think it's significant that Nevaeh's was buried where she was by the water. I think the killer is making a big statement by doing that. I mean water is a symbol of purity and cleanliness.

Moonlite

Two people also implies someone VERY, VERY close to NevaeH. I hope I am wrong.

Night All.
U2..NevaeH :rose: Laci & Connor will show you the ropes. XXOO

[aproudmom]

Well heck sorry found her interview it is the 2nd video says suspect in Nevaeh's case has alibi this is pretty much what she said about that day so smith picked them up and took them back to his motel..guess I am lost once again she says not one thing about him and her looking for this child but he did when he talked to the media from jail....so who do you believe..and this house is the one his van was parked at I do remember that much..I think I got most of it right was trying to listen and type it..OMG sure hope she does not have kids also...if you just go to the link you will not see it that one will be RS mother at the top of the little video it has a few videos just click on the one I quoted above

Reporter:
She is an alibi for George Kennedy.
His girlfriend Savannah Gray.
And she say Kennedy was with her almost the entire day five year old Neveah Buchanan disappeared.

Savannah:
"all day, until 7:30 ish

Reporter:
Kennedy is a person of interest in the disappearance.
Savannah says she woke up with Kennedy Sunday morning at her home in Monroe and she was with him until 7:30 Sunday night when he left for just 30 minutes to give a friend a ride.

Little Neveah disappeared around 6:15.

So do you think he had anything to do with it or impossible?

Savannah:
Umm, no, I do not think he did, he didn't seem like he was that type of guy to do anything like that, so

Reporter:
And he was with you?

Savannah:
Yeah he was with me.

Reporter:
As for the bloody shorts and towel found in Kennedy's motel room, Savannah says the blood is hers. And the bloody multi tool found inside the van Kennedy was driving?

Savannah:
"he uses it for fishing and I know what one, I know what knife you are talking about, I know what you are talking about"

Reporter:
And the blood?

Savannah:
"Yeah, it is his blood or it has to be a fish's guts"

Reporter:
When George Kennedy came back to her home around 8pm Roy Lee Smith came by later that night around 10 because the couple needed a ride back to Kennedy's motel

When Smith dropped them off police were waiting at the motel with questions.

Savannah:
"They were saying, like, me and George had something to do with it. And I was, like, no, I wouldn't never have nothing to do with nothing, something like that

Reporter:
But you think he couldn't have had anything to do with it?

Savannah:
"He coudn't have. I was with him that day."

Reporter:
Savannah says police brought both her and Kennedy to jail for questioning.
She was released at about 3:30 Monday morning.

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Two-Persons-of-Interest-Have-Alibis/IqNogN2dEEWJwzaoKjIGOw.cspx

[5swab5]

Well heck sorry found her interview it is the 2nd video says suspect in Nevaeh's case has alibi this is pretty much what she said about that day so smith picked them up and took them back to his motel..guess I am lost once again she says not one thing about him and her looking for this child but he did when he talked to the media from jail....so who do you believe..and this house is the one his van was parked at I do remember that much..I think I got most of it right was trying to listen and type it..OMG sure hope she does not have kids also...if you just go to the link you will not see it that one will be RS mother at the top of the little video it has a few videos just click on the one I quoted above

Reporter:
She is an alibi for George Kennedy.
His girlfriend Savannah Gray.
And she say Kennedy was with her almost the entire day five year old Neveah Buchanan disappeared.

Savannah:
"all day, until 7:30 ish

Reporter:
Kennedy is a person of interest in the disappearance.
Savannah says she woke up with Kennedy Sunday morning at her home in Monroe and she was with him until 7:30 Sunday night when he left for just 30 minutes to give a friend a ride.

Little Neveah disappeared around 6:15.

So do you think he had anything to do with it or impossible?

Savannah:
Umm, no, I do not think he did, he didn't seem like he was that type of guy to do anything like that, so

Reporter:
And he was with you?

Savannah:
Yeah he was with me.

Reporter:
As for the bloody shorts and towel found in Kennedy's motel room, Savannah says the blood is hers. And the bloody multi tool found inside the van Kennedy was driving?

Savannah:
"he uses it for fishing and I know what one, I know what knife you are talking about, I know what you are talking about"

Reporter:
And the blood?

Savannah:
"Yeah, it is his blood or it has to be a fish's guts"

Reporter:
When George Kennedy came back to her home around 8pm Roy Lee Smith came by later that night around 10 because the couple needed a ride back to Kennedy's motel

When Smith dropped them off police were waiting at the motel with questions.

Savannah:
"They were saying, like, me and George had something to do with it. And I was, like, no, I wouldn't never have nothing to do with nothing, something like that

Reporter:
But you think he couldn't have had anything to do with it?

Savannah:
"He coudn't have. I was with him that day."

Reporter:
Savannah says police brought both her and Kennedy to jail for questioning.
She was released at about 3:30 Monday morning.

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Two-Persons-of-Interest-Have-Alibis/IqNogN2dEEWJwzaoKjIGOw.cspx

Thanks for the reminder.

HE may or may not have been THE one, but with a mom like that...NevaeH never stood a chance. IMO

[aproudmom]

I would be reluctant to come forward, even tho I am innocent, for fear that I would be the target of LE or the public in trying to make me the fall guy for the murder.

As for the beer can, what if it is a can the murderer found laying around, and picked it up with his gloved hands and placed it in the grave or cement or wherever it was? It wouldn't have HIS prints on it, and LE would be run ragged trying to find out whose it is. And, if it is identified, some poor fellow who had nothing to do with anything might become the suspect. Or, it could be from the perp.

I guess I was saying if she had been there since the night she went missing would someone else not have seen the concrete also or a smell I would have thought if someone just like these 2 stumbled across something they would call 911 also..I am just wondering was she there 11 or 12 days ago..if this is a fishing spot I would think someone would have been there since that night..but maybe they did not pay attention or there was no smell at that point...and agree I would be afraid to come forward for one I have already seen this guy slammed on forums as to why he ended up at that spot and so on...and that is a lot of the reason people do not come forward not just cause they are afraid of LE..look at the Anthony case they are blaming everyone but the real killer IMO..I really do not think LE is out to arrest everyone in Monroe they have ask about 2 vans so far have we heard anything? I think they ask if anyone seen anything between 5/11 pm that night to please call no matter how small they may think the tip is and sorry this EASTER guy he deserves what he got he admits he watched them leave and then went out to burn receipts since they saw them already BIG FLAG to me he did that to himself IMO they were looking for a missing child and he was at the apartments parked close to her bike then he goes in for questioning dropped off and with in 10 minutes he is burning crap I am glad they arrested him and checked his place if he had not been sneaky about things they would never have came back more than likely..so he needs to go get his blankly and suck his thumb and shut up he has kids and grand-kids would he not want the same done if it had been one of them...NOT directed at you Amy just saying IMO LE has not arrested and named people POI for no reason..

[aproudmom]

LE presser and JB interview on the 26th...omg know wonder no I have not seen him yes I have talked to him O wait yes I did talk to him no I have not seen him O wait I think I finally got it I did call him after she was missing.OK she needs some truth serum IMO:rolleyes:

I know she had to be out of it from missing her child but we all know she was trying so hard not to make herself look bad she knew when she talked to him she was not going to fool anyone..and it just made her look like a liar..she has changed her story GK and his G/F interviews are nothing alike seems she forgot she helped him search for Nevaeh...this only makes me angry because minutes are precious in these cases and you do not wait 2 hours to call 911 to report your child missing..most are dead with in 3...her timeline does not add up..nor does Savannah's match hers she said they were at her place until 10 and Roy Smith took them to the motel and cops were waiting for them...at no time does the G/F say they looked for her unlike GK and JB and why would a RSO Roy Smith take them back to the motel if he knew the law was there and he was not to be around any other felon and he was also a RSO makes no since if JB did call him either his G/F has it wrong or JB and GK..SHE THOUGHT maybe he saw her wondering around on the side of the road or something so that is why she called him I am not saying he did a thing to tell you the truth I have thought he did not do anything to her but all the changes in stories makes them all look like liars and the TRUTH DOES NOT CHANGE :rolleyes:

Also on her missing posters on this video it says last time seen 8pm at very end of video they have to be going by when LE was called or I would guess anyway..
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090526/NEWS02/905269997/-1/OPINION02


She said another little girl and her mother had stayed over in her apartment, and the two girls had been outside playing in the parking lot for 30-40 minutes when the other little girl came in to tell Ms. Buchanan that Nevaeh was “riding her scooter in the road,” which Ms. Buchanan said meant the parking lot.

She went out to tell Nevaeh not to do that, and was unable to find her.

She became scared when she found the scooter after more than a half hour of searching and called police to report the child missing.

She is that comfortable with him. I don’t want to point any fingers, but I’m pretty sure that she would. We’ve known him for a quite awhile,” Ms. Buchanan said. She said she called Kennedy about 8 p.m. Sunday to tell him the police wanted to talk to him.

[aproudmom]

Amid suspicion and public scorn, Jennifer Buchanan denies killing her daughter
http://www.freep.com/article/20090607/NEWS05/906070501/0/NEWS06
She begins to tell the story of the final moments when, she says, she thought Nevaeh went off to play with a friend

[aproudmom]

Question is this the dad and son where she was playing I know the little boys name is Austin right? and someone has a comment and their name says RIP Nevaeh..this looks like the guy who was crying on TV the night she was found...

http://www.myspace.com/austis_daddy

[Mel]

Man O' Man,

I can't even imagine the false leads + the irreverent shrapnel that the poor police are having to sift through.

The place sounds like it is way off the beaten track. Just the place for anyone to accidentally leave a beer can behind, and find themselves in DEEP poop. Littering is bad, but still...gotta be a bunch of locals sweatin' 'bout now.

i agree with you...i'm sure locals who've fished there are "sweatin"....i work at a large fishing area, & i see it all the time (daily).... people build small fires on the banks, leave beer cans/bottles, those latex gloves, fishing lures, bait, empty cig packs, etc......

i don't see a perp taking the time to sit around, build a fire, & drink a beer...i think the person was in a hurry...jmo

[Mel]

Greetings'
Mel"

Don't you think if Nevaeh was rolled down a hill there might appear trauma to the body? Now were also assuming she was not alive at the time by river bank? But we don't know until the autopsy report comes back. I think the initial reports so far has been no obvious signs of trauma?

Moonlite

there wouldn't necessarily be trauma, imo....one report stated some hair was found at the scene...i just think it's possible that if she had been rolled down the hill, some of her hair may have caught onto some limbs/sticks/grass....we don't know it was Nevaeh's hair though...i'm just speculating the possibilities..

[aproudmom]

OMG I am sickened by some of the sick twisted people that get on the net...here is online memory page for her..a couple left horrible comments:cursing:

http://nevaeh-buchanan.gonetoosoon.org/

[Mel]

Amid suspicion and public scorn, Jennifer Buchanan denies killing her daughter
http://www.freep.com/article/20090607/NEWS05/906070501/0/NEWS06
She begins to tell the story of the final moments when, she says, she thought Nevaeh went off to play with a friend

so the last time JB actually saw Nevaeh was around 6:30...THEN 20 min later the "tattletale" came to the door & said Nevaeh was riding her scooter in the road....JB looked for 30 to 45 min for her...this makes sense, since Sheriff Crutchfield wanted anyone who saw anything betw 6 & 7 pm to call LE.....

so the timing is making more sense to me...LE was called around 8 pm, give or take a few minutes...

[liberty11]

Was Jennifer ordered at any time to pay child support to her mom since she had custody of Nevaeh?

[iluvmua]

I'm confused: Jennifer waited 2 hours to call 911?:confused:

or was it somebody else who called 911?

[annalyzer]

Now, I know as I'm writing this that I'm going to get bombarded with posts that tell me I'm nuts and no one else sees any problem ect...ect...

I'm OK with that and prepared for that.

I just clicked on this link above and it shows this supposed 35 year old man clearly posing for the computer camera (like I've seen a thousand times) and right next to him is his young son with no shirt on.

If this doesn't smack of covert child porn to me I don't know what does. If I was investigating child porn and those people who promote, own and produce it I would definitely be wanting to get this guy involved in some dialogue through his face page.

And I already know what posts are coming my way..."Well, my boys go around the house with no shirt on all the time", ..."Well I' can see if it was a picture of his daughter and him but it's his son", ..."I don't see anything wrong with that picture my mom has pictures of me nude on a bearskin rug".

Before you answer with a post take a good long look at that photo, (there's actually 2 photos with this same child like this) and ask yourself if you were purposely posing for the computer camera to show off your young child on the INTERNET wouldn't you want him to have a shirt on?

I'd be keeping an eye on this crying man.

Oh my I have to agree. Especially since the kid has a knit hat on and the father a heavy sweatshirt it just makes the kid having no shirt on stand out that much more.

[febreze]

Now, I know as I'm writing this that I'm going to get bombarded with posts that tell me I'm nuts and no one else sees any problem ect...ect...

I'm OK with that and prepared for that.

I just clicked on this link above and it shows this supposed 35 year old man clearly posing for the computer camera (like I've seen a thousand times) and right next to him is his young son with no shirt on.

If this doesn't smack of covert child porn to me I don't know what does. If I was investigating child porn and those people who promote, own and produce it I would definitely be wanting to get this guy involved in some dialogue through his face page.

And I already know what posts are coming my way..."Well, my boys go around the house with no shirt on all the time", ..."Well I' can see if it was a picture of his daughter and him but it's his son", ..."I don't see anything wrong with that picture my mom has pictures of me nude on a bearskin rug".

Before you answer with a post take a good long look at that photo, (there's actually 2 photos with this same child like this) and ask yourself if you were purposely posing for the computer camera to show off your young child on the INTERNET wouldn't you want him to have a shirt on?

I'd be keeping an eye on this crying man.

not going to give you backlash because i happen to agree with you, i posted way back after this father was out yelling and crying that there is something about him i just don't like. i realize people get upset at a time like this that is only normal but, the way he was so loud and almost screaming just gave me a odd feeling about him.

[febreze]

I'm searching for any video links of this guy from the news crying and carrying on... (I want to barf), If there's any chance you have some? Thanks in advance.

to find a link to that but, couldn't , i know i also saw it on Nancy Grace a couple times, this guy just doesn't sit right with me, i would really like to know where he was durn the time she went missing.

[AmndaRcknwth]

It is saved here, but I have no clue where the orig is.

Aaron Baker's part starts at 1:53
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Nevaeh%20Buchanan/?action=view&current=046.flv

[febreze]

It is saved here, but I have no clue where the orig is.

Aaron Baker's part starts at 1:53
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Nevaeh%20Buchanan/?action=view&current=046.flv

be another interview with him, i watched this ,it is not the one i saw, he was yelling this was his son's best friend and he misses her and will for the rest of his life, he went on for awhile but, he was actually yelling and it was just kind of odd the way he carried on.

[playnice]

be another interview with him, i watched this ,it is not the one i saw, he was yelling this was his son's best friend and he misses her and will for the rest of his life, he went on for awhile but, he was actually yelling and it was just kind of odd the way he carried on.

I think thats the one I saw on NG. I figured he was just in shock.
He knew this little girl well and he now has a little boy that he has to try to explain why his little friend will never be back again. Double whammy for him. I dont think he had time to process it let alone trying to help his kid process it to.

[Abbie]

GK has a new girlfriend

Mom calls him when Nevaeh went missing. Why?

Timeline is screwy

GK's story changed from dropping off some friends to going fishing with girlfriend? When did he go fishing?

Regarding the vendetta theory posted up there by aproudmom, could it be GK was living at the home with them and grandma kicked him out. GK found JB no longer of use so he gets himself a new girlfriend but is enraged that he was kicked out and did this to Nevaeh to get back at grandma and mom?

Was mom trying to soften him up when she said he was like a father figure to Nevaeh in hopes that he would not harm her? Was she trying to defend him because she knew that he could possibly be the one who had Nevaeh? Is that why she failed the LDT? Maybe she knew he was somehow involved?

Well. I hope the new girlfriend doesn't get too attached to GK cos I have a feeling he is going to be going to jail for a long time.

[need2no]

Question is this the dad and son where she was playing I know the little boys name is Austin right? and someone has a comment and their name says RIP Nevaeh..this looks like the guy who was crying on TV the night she was found...

http://www.myspace.com/austis_daddy


Here's the video of the guy crying on TV...they don't look the same to me, but he does say Nevaeh played with his son everyday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YFiFxUGFyw

[~jomomma~]

Well. I hope the new girlfriend doesn't get too attached to GK cos I have a feeling he is going to be going to jail for a long time.

video of Savanna Gray (sp)....GK's alibi

whoa! :unsure:

http://br.truveo.com/videosuspect-in-nevaeh-buchanan-case-has-alibi/id/469837484

[~jomomma~]

It is saved here, but I have no clue where the orig is.

Aaron Baker's part starts at 1:53
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Nevaeh%20Buchanan/?action=view&current=046.flv

thanks

he states 'she ate her last meal with him (his son) at 3:30 in the afternoon'

:unsure:

[Mel]

video of Savanna Gray (sp)....GK's alibi

whoa! :unsure:

http://br.truveo.com/videosuspect-in-nevaeh-buchanan-case-has-alibi/id/469837484

thanks for the link, jo:smile:

i want to know where Roy Lee Smith was, betw 6 & 7, the evening Nevaeh went missing!!!!!...his name pops up in the news report too

[Mel]

I think thats the one I saw on NG. I figured he was just in shock.
He knew this little girl well and he now has a little boy that he has to try to explain why his little friend will never be back again. Double whammy for him. I dont think he had time to process it let alone trying to help his kid process it to.

i agree...from what i understand, this man was speaking at some type of vigil for Nevaeh..could be why he raised his voice, while talking...i don't think he had anything to do with this...

[GentleBreeze]

thanks

he states 'she ate her last meal with him (his son) at 3:30 in the afternoon'

:unsure:

How does he know when her last meal was?:ohmy:

imo

[Mel]

thanks mel!

so, it's sounding promising that they're finding more evidence!
and....they took JB in for more questioning? that is GREAT!!

cuz, i'm not believing her stories. :sneaky:

i'll be honest....i'd be surprised if GK is the perp, but i don't think i'd be all that surprised if it was JB:sad:

something that caught my attention, & please don't ask for a link, cuz i'll never find it...i believe JB's brother said this ... something along the line of 'the person that did this, should be punished severely, no matter who it is"......i thought that was an odd statement

[Mel]

How in the world does a woman like that get mixed up with these kind of guys?

All I can say is that GK is VERY good at picking out his women. You can tell right off that this poor little Savanna Gray is just one of these simple, nieve young women and she just most likely believes what ever is told to her and now here she is hooking up with two R.S.O.

She should consider herself VERY lucky she is out of that relationship (I think she is). From what the parole officer had been documenting, sounds like he is a manipulative, mean man who likes to abuse women.

i got the impression she didn't know he was a RSO...i also got the impression she was high on something, not that it matters...

[GentleBreeze]

Kinda let the cat out of the bag there didn't he???

I want to give this man the benefit of a doubt and I do know there are men who do display emotions very easily but something about it just unnerved me for some reason. Seemed a little too dramatic but maybe its because the monster or monsters who did this have not been revealed yet and it makes me suspicious of every male that comes out to speak.

imo

[Mel]

How does he know when her last meal was?:ohmy:

imo

it's possible it's something that JB mentioned to him....maybe?

[Myka]

How in the world does a woman like that get mixed up with these kind of guys?

All I can say is that GK is VERY good at picking out his women. You can tell right off that this poor little Savanna Gray is just one of these simple, nieve young women and she just most likely believes what ever is told to her and now here she is hooking up with two R.S.O.

She should consider herself VERY lucky she is out of that relationship (I think she is). From what the parole officer had been documenting, sounds like he is a manipulative, mean man who likes to abuse women.

has she visited her SO boyfriend in jail yet?

[Myka]

i got the impression she didn't know he was a RSO...i also got the impression she was high on something, not that it matters...


I noticed in the video of her, she can't stand still..looks like she fidgits alot and her answers aren't very clear. She reminds me of Fl Child Bride Misty Cummings

[Mel]

Was Jennifer ordered at any time to pay child support to her mom since she had custody of Nevaeh?

i haven't heard anything about that...both Nevaeh & JB had been living w/the grandmother for, i think i read, 2 or 3 months...

[Mel]

I noticed in the video of her, she can't stand still..looks like she fidgits alot and her answers aren't very clear. She reminds me of Fl Child Bride Misty Cummings

lol, my very first thought was "man, she's on some kind of pain pills"...just the way she talked....& btw, i've thought the same thing about Misty too:sneaky:

[Myka]

lol, my very first thought was "man, she's on some kind of pain pills"...just the way she talked....& btw, i've thought the same thing about Misty too:sneaky:

:laugh: I thought the same

was she friends with JB?

[Mel]

Could very well be that she was high and I didn't pick up on it. Funny how each person's experiences help them to detect things with other people. I have experience (lots of it) with sex offenders, particularly child sex offenders. I can spot a weirdo a mile off and usually I'm dead on the money with him.

A friend of mine was raised by a closet alcoholic and she is able to spot an alcoholic from a mile while I stand there clueless!

It has to be something about the common body language, things they say and do, different tiny little habits that they share that people pick up on that alerts them to stay away.

I don't have any experience with anyone that is high on anything but pot and time and time again I have had friends say the same thing you did "Oh she sure was high" and I just don't have a clue. (Unless I know the person really well and they are acting way out of character).

Interesting observation.

there's so many "functioning" alcoholics...i like my beer, but i don't think i could ever be able to tell if one was an alcoholic, unless i knew they drank heavily, or missed a lot of work...i like my pot occasionally also, but other than a person's eyes, i wouldn't be able to tell if someone was high, really.....i have two friends that abuse Lortab, & GK's girlfriend reminded me of them...i can spot a crack head a mile away though...close family member is one:glare:

[sunstar]

I find it interesting Easter was burning receipts and/or cardboard ......
and a burned latex glove is found at the burial site.
Coincidence?
Maybe just a coincidence. It's possible, imo, the perp buried her at night and could've had a fire there for light, and disposing of evidence, like the glove. Fortunately the cement bag didn't get burned too. MOO

[Mel]

i cant watch video, did they say they "took her in" as in they detained her, or did they just want to ask her more questions? or since autopsy complete, could it have been so she could see Neveah at the same time as ansering questions?

I mentioned i was surprised they had not already, so yes glad they did.i do not think it means she was responsible (unless she wasnt sexually assaulted, which would be shocking). i just think that the profile has changed from some yo yo who would be an obvious thought, to someone different and all sorts of new questions need to be asked about who she knows, who they know, about family members who might work with cement, etc etc.

IMO
eta and one reason i feel that JB has nothing to do with it unless it was "just" a beating, is that it makes no sense...no motive, her mom had custody. Another is i think she is far to stupid to have come up with this mode of disposal.

in that report, it was said JB "was questioned again this afternoon" (which was yesterday)...nothing was said about taking her in for futher questioning, just that she was questioned again...

i don't really think JB is involved either, but as i already posted, i would be surprised if GK is involved, but not all that suprised if we find out JB is....(i guess my thoughts stem from so many parents that kill their own children)

[sunstar]

Amid suspicion and public scorn, Jennifer Buchanan denies killing her daughter
http://www.freep.com/article/20090607/NEWS05/906070501/0/NEWS06
She begins to tell the story of the final moments when, she says, she thought Nevaeh went off to play with a friend

And why was her 5 y/o daughter always playing upstairs with this 8 y/o boy ~ and who else was there? :mad: She also goes on to talk about Nevaeh's "beauty" ~ well, that photo with the candles by it does make her look much older. MOO

[Mel]

I remember reading the article, it was quoting Easter. From what I read, I think LE saw that he had gone to Kmart (maybe even had the info from the neighbor that JB was going to the store when they left her place) and just was trying to trick him into some sort of confession.

That is the only mention I had seen of Kmart, actually. Never read about it in any article. In the ones I went back to review, the only time Kmart is mentioned in those was that Easter had been there, and had receipts. But never anything about JB and Neveah being @ Kmart, not even as rumor or as "a source close to the case'/family" thing.

same here...i've not heard anything about JB & Nevaeh going to K-Mart...Easter kind of hints about it though, like maybe they did go...i mean, he says LE was puttin the screws to him about maybe he was watching Nevaeh at K-Mart......maybe that's the store that JB & Nevaeh went to around 3:30'ish....maybe when they got back, Nevaeh then changed her clothes & went back outside....Nevaeh could have been in & out more than once while playing, & finally went back out around 6:30....THEN 20 minutes later the tattletale comes to the door about Nevaeh in the road on her scooter...JB looks for 30-45 minutes...there you have the 8:00'ish time for the call to LE...

i think i've got this down now, in my head....(i used the word "maybe" a lot, huh...lol)

[sunstar]

same here...i've not heard anything about JB & Nevaeh going to K-Mart...Easter kind of hints about it though, like maybe they did go...i mean, he says LE was puttin the screws to him about maybe he was watching Nevaeh at K-Mart......maybe that's the store that JB & Nevaeh went to around 3:30'ish....maybe when they got back, Nevaeh then changed her clothes & went back outside....Nevaeh could have been in & out more than once while playing, & finally went back out around 6:30....THEN 20 minutes later the tattletale comes to the door about Nevaeh in the road on her scooter...JB looks for 30-45 minutes...there you have the 8:00'ish time for the call to LE...

i think i've got this down now, in my head....(i used the word "maybe" a lot, huh...lol)

I think you've done a great job with the timeline! The time between the "tattletale" reporting Nevaeh in the parking lot (approximately 6:50pm) plus 30-45 minutes of JB looking for her still comes up a little short of 8:00pm but I don't think she knows exactly what time anything happened other than she missed her tv show while having to be bothered looking for Nevaeh. MOO

[Amy]

be another interview with him, i watched this ,it is not the one i saw, he was yelling this was his son's best friend and he misses her and will for the rest of his life, he went on for awhile but, he was actually yelling and it was just kind of odd the way he carried on.

I didn't watch it, but I do remember several posters commenting on his actions. That does seem to be a bit "out there" even if Nevaeh was his son's best friend. IMO

[Amy]

video of Savanna Gray (sp)....GK's alibi

whoa! :unsure:

http://br.truveo.com/videosuspect-in-nevaeh-buchanan-case-has-alibi/id/469837484

So, there is the conflict in statements. She says, when GK came back from searching, he was with Smith. That doesn't at all say that she was searching with GK, as he says in his interviews. (Maybe that was one of the questions he failed on his poly?)

Also, she mentions fishing, but she does NOT say that is where they were until GK left @ 7:30 to take some friends somewhere. Of course, she doesn't say WHAT they were doing all that time. But, since she mentioned how the knife was bloody from fishing and all that, that she would have said, he used it when we went fishing TODAY, IMO.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I want to give this man the benefit of a doubt and I do know there are men who do display emotions very easily but something about it just unnerved me for some reason. Seemed a little too dramatic but maybe its because the monster or monsters who did this have not been revealed yet and it makes me suspicious of every male that comes out to speak.

imo

I get what you mean...

But-- look at the KungFu/Karate teacher in the Sandra Cantu case. He was crucified, and he had nothing to do with it. So were several other neighbors.

I don't think Aaron Baker has anything to do with this.

I still think it's going to end up being someone not mentioned yet.

[Amy]

Kinda let the cat out of the bag there didn't he???

Not really. We figured out her last meal was 3 or 3:30 (most likely 3) because the boy's mother and I think JB both mentioned she ate with them then. And, JB never said anything about their eating again before Nevaeh went missing.

[VC2]

And why was her 5 y/o daughter always playing upstairs with this 8 y/o boy ~ and who else was there? :mad: She also goes on to talk about Nevaeh's "beauty" ~ well, that photo with the candles by it does make her look much older. MOO

umm what is a problem with her playing with a best friend a lot? I used to play at my best friends lots of times. Not like he was her only friend, the night before a little girlfriend of hers spent the night.

[tia marie]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525333,00.html

[Amy]

Anyone know if the Charolette Arms apartment complex has garages that go with them? Sometimes there are a whole row of garages that go with an apartment?

Why aren't the police looking into this guy??

Search that garage if there is one. He admits he was there when she was, now I'm going to start with the "maybes' and it will drive me nuts.

Perhaps they have already looked into him? Seems there were seveal neighbors who indicated @ least some apartments had been searched more than once, and that neighbors have also been questioned more than once. Just because LE hasn't told us exactly who they might be looking @ (just that they have cleared 3 men, so far, and the killer is still out there) doesn't mean they don't have their sights on someone in particular. IMO

[Amy]

has she visited her SO boyfriend in jail yet?

I don't know if she visited him while he was in jail, but there were posts (w/links) yesterday I think where he has been returned to prison already on his parole violations. Don't know if there is a process time that people can't visit since this is a return visit. I would think so, as it has been a while since he was last residing in prison.

[sunstar]

i haven't heard anything about that...both Nevaeh & JB had been living w/the grandmother for, i think i read, 2 or 3 months...

I thought the grandmother had been given custody while JB was in jail on the home invasion charges and just 2-3 months ago JB came to live there (after being released??)? What I was curious about though is she on parole, or not? :shrug: MOO

[sunstar]

I don't know if she visited him while he was in jail, but there were posts (w/links) yesterday I think where he has been returned to prison already on his parole violations. Don't know if there is a process time that people can't visit since this is a return visit. I would think so, as it has been a while since he was last residing in prison.

Does MI have a law where ex-cons can't visit prison inmates? Some states do. MOO

[sunstar]

umm what is a problem with her playing with a best friend a lot? I used to play at my best friends lots of times. Not like he was her only friend, the night before a little girlfriend of hers spent the night.

Oh, it just reminded me of another case that never made the national headlines, but a little girl was murdered while visiting 3 boys at a house where she played often. A relative of the boys who had been released from prison and was living there in a trailer killed her. That's all. MOO

[Amy]

same here...i've not heard anything about JB & Nevaeh going to K-Mart...Easter kind of hints about it though, like maybe they did go...i mean, he says LE was puttin the screws to him about maybe he was watching Nevaeh at K-Mart......maybe that's the store that JB & Nevaeh went to around 3:30'ish....maybe when they got back, Nevaeh then changed her clothes & went back outside....Nevaeh could have been in & out more than once while playing, & finally went back out around 6:30....THEN 20 minutes later the tattletale comes to the door about Nevaeh in the road on her scooter...JB looks for 30-45 minutes...there you have the 8:00'ish time for the call to LE...

i think i've got this down now, in my head....(i used the word "maybe" a lot, huh...lol)

This makes sense--if JB and Nevaeh went to a store--cuz she never mentions that they had. Guess maybe she is starting from when they got home (if they did go) and Nevaeh had to change clothes. But, if the little girl had just that moment seen Nevaeh in the parking lot, that gave the perp only minutes (the time it took for JB to get her shoes?) to take her.

[Amy]

I thought the grandmother had been given custody while JB was in jail on the home invasion charges and just 2-3 months ago JB came to live there (after being released??)? What I was curious about though is she on parole, or not? :shrug: MOO

The report I read said Sherry Buchanan has custody of Nevaeh, which I took to be that custody has not yet been returned to JB. Hmmm. Nothing has ever been mentioned about parole. I don't recall how long her sentence was to be, or whether or not she served the whole time. Being on parole might be a reason to not have custody returned yet, or maybe a judge thinks she shouldn't have custody even if she is not on parole. Or, maybe they just hadn't gotten around to the paperwork.

That's a good question, about parole, but haven't a clue how to go about finding out. If she IS still on parole, most likely she would have also been breaking it, by the company she was keeping (not necessarily an RSO, but a convicted felon.)??

[Amy]

Does MI have a law where ex-cons can't visit prison inmates? Some states do. MOO

I don't know. I guess that would affect JB visiting him. I don't know about the current gf, tho. She doesn't have a record, or @ least I haven't read about one. (Could have missed it, tho.)

[sunstar]

The report I read said Sherry Buchanan has custody of Nevaeh, which I took to be that custody has not yet been returned to JB. Hmmm. Nothing has ever been mentioned about parole. I don't recall how long her sentence was to be, or whether or not she served the whole time. Being on parole might be a reason to not have custody returned yet, or maybe a judge thinks she shouldn't have custody even if she is not on parole. Or, maybe they just hadn't gotten around to the paperwork.

That's a good question, about parole, but haven't a clue how to go about finding out. If she IS still on parole, most likely she would have also been breaking it, by the company she was keeping (not necessarily an RSO, but a convicted felon.)??
That's what I was getting at. It seems a short sentence for home invasion, unless she turned on her accomplice and got a shorter sentence. GK is back in prison for violating parole for the same offense, right? I was also thinking of her saying in this latest article that she committed the home invasion to support a drug habit, and if she isn't on parole, could she be using again? Just trying to figure out why her statements are inconsistent and who may have taken & killed Nevaeh. MOO

[sunstar]

Good afternoon sunstar.
The way I understand the law, anyone who has a felony on record can not have visitation rights to a prisoner. No valid picture ID, no visitation.
JMO

That's what I understood too. Some states do issue a picture ID card though in place of a driver's license. :wink:

[titanfan217]

I think you've done a great job with the timeline! The time between the "tattletale" reporting Nevaeh in the parking lot (approximately 6:50pm) plus 30-45 minutes of JB looking for her still comes up a little short of 8:00pm but I don't think she knows exactly what time anything happened other than she missed her tv show while having to be bothered looking for Nevaeh. MOO


From the article I read this morning, it seems that JB had said she had walked to "the store" and that she had walked back that way. Could that mean her daughter had gone with her or thought her daughter might have been looking for her?

Why would JB call the little friend "tattletale"? Wouldn't she want to know if her daughter was in danger?

[Amy]

From the article I read this morning, it seems that JB had said she had walked to "the store" and that she had walked back that way. Could that mean her daughter had gone with her or thought her daughter might have been looking for her?

When she was explaining what she did before calling LE, she said she walked to the store twice. I can see a 5 y/o thinking she'd walk to a corner store (which is the one I think she was referring to, as Kmart is too far) where she has walked before w/mom or grandma. Maybe JB was thinking maybe Nevaeh might have walked to the store.

[sunstar]

From the article I read this morning, it seems that JB had said she had walked to "the store" and that she had walked back that way. Could that mean her daughter had gone with her or thought her daughter might have been looking for her?

Why would JB call the little friend "tattletale"? Wouldn't she want to know if her daughter was in danger?

That last part got me too. Playing in the street or an apartment complex parking lot isn't safe, mainly the possibility of being hit by a car. It sounded to me like an annoyance to JB that she had to get up off the couch, miss her tv show, to go outside and get Nevaeh. So if she was angry or annoyed, the little girl became a 'tattletale'. MOO

[VC2]

Oh, it just reminded me of another case that never made the national headlines, but a little girl was murdered while visiting 3 boys at a house where she played often. A relative of the boys who had been released from prison and was living there in a trailer killed her. That's all. MOO

ah ok, i couldnt figure out the mad face at her playing with her friend a lot :D but hey it happens if they are visiting little boys or little girls, just like sandra cantu would was the "best friend" of MH's daughter

i do agree with some that the dad seems very emotional over this..rather odd but then he also sees the pain his son is in so its probably that. i hope. just reading the story of Ian Huntley who killed 2 little girls in england, one reason police were a little suspicious of him at first was that 1. he had told them he saw the girls pass his house, and 2. seemed very emotionally involved in the case, so it is a legitimate red flag

[dulcinea]

That's what I was getting at. It seems a short sentence for home invasion, unless she turned on her accomplice and got a shorter sentence. GK is back in prison for violating parole for the same offense, right? I was also thinking of her saying in this latest article that she committed the home invasion to support a drug habit, and if she isn't on parole, could she be using again? Just trying to figure out why her statements are inconsistent and who may have taken & killed Nevaeh. MOO

Three "friends" of mine (they no longer are after what happened) were arrested for MULTIPLE counts of home invasion as well as unlawfully driving away a vehicle. This was in the state of Michigan and all of them were roughly the same age as Jennifer was. Their sentence? BOOT CAMP for 3 months! I couldn't believe it-two felonies! They were also required to pay some sort of restitution, wear a tether, and perform community service, but what a joke! They all deserved prison time. So I guess I am not surprised Jennifer didn't serve a lot of time.

If I remember correctly, one of the very early articles stated JB and GK met at a parole/probation office. Of course who really knows? So many of the "facts" in this case have turned out to be false.

[dulcinea]

Good afternoon sunstar.
The way I understand the law, anyone who has a felony on record can not have visitation rights to a prisoner. No valid picture ID, no visitation.
JMO

So are you saying felons cannot have a driver's license? TIA for the clarification.

[Adalena935]

I think it's possible the mother was selling the child to support her drug habit. Why else would she not only hang out with convicted pedophiles, but call them her friends and then defend them.

I believe this could have been occuring for some time before the poor child's death.

[sunstar]

Three "friends" of mine (they no longer are after what happened) were arrested for MULTIPLE counts of home invasion as well as unlawfully driving away a vehicle. This was in the state of Michigan and all of them were roughly the same age as Jennifer was. Their sentence? BOOT CAMP for 3 months! I couldn't believe it-two felonies! They were also required to pay some sort of restitution, wear a tether, and perform community service, but what a joke! They all deserved prison time. So I guess I am not surprised Jennifer didn't serve a lot of time.

If I remember correctly, one of the very early articles stated JB and GK met at a parole/probation office. Of course who really knows? So many of the "facts" in this case have turned out to be false.
Thanks for the information! I'm totally unfamiliar with MI laws and I couldn't figure out just how much time she'd served for the home invasion, but it seems she just got out about 3 mo. ago. And if she was still on parole/probation she'd be subject to drug testing. :shrug: MOO

[Adalena935]

So are you saying felons cannot have a driver's license? TIA for the clarification.

The poster you replied to said ID. You'd have to check by state but here's an example.

http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-1627_8668_53359_53361-213197--,00.html

[Hannibal]

have been selling the child might have violated coldwater's recent warnings...
So they need to watch what they are saying.

I wouldn't condemm the mother without proof.

Like I said earlier I don't think any of these sex offenders mentioned are involved.

I think it's an unsub.

As most sex offenders have their dna in the system it wouldn't surprise me that this perps's dna isn't and the police will have to figure out some way to match him to the the dna on the child's body.

[Ice Cycle]

This case is kind of baffling and kind of reminds me of the Haleigh case in that caretaker's are almost as bad as the suspects.
Also it is difficult to believe that whoever did this was just a passer byer as they would of had no way of knowing when she would of would not be out there unattended, that is unless it was not a abnormal occurrence. The thing is even if it was one of the SO friends they at least would of had a excuse if the Mom came out and she saw them talking to her. It makes me think that her being outside unattended was not a one time deal. MO

[tia marie]

This case is kind of baffling and kind of reminds me of the Haleigh case in that caretaker's are almost as bad as the suspects.
Also it is difficult to believe that whoever did this was just a passer byer as they would of had no way of knowing when she would of would not be out there unattended, that is unless it was not a abnormal occurrence. The thing is even if it was one of the SO friends they at least would of had a excuse if the Mom came out and she saw them talking to her. It makes me think that her being outside unattended was not a one time deal. MO

I agree with you, I think this little girl had a lot of freedom, and the similarties to the Haleigh case is right on.

[sunstar]

This case is kind of baffling and kind of reminds me of the Haleigh case in that caretaker's are almost as bad as the suspects.
Also it is difficult to believe that whoever did this was just a passer byer as they would of had no way of knowing when she would of would not be out there unattended, that is unless it was not a abnormal occurrence. The thing is even if it was one of the SO friends they at least would of had a excuse if the Mom came out and she saw them talking to her. It makes me think that her being outside unattended was not a one time deal. MO

I have been thinking the same thing, comparing the two cases. I also think this person had watched her, knew she was often out playing alone and took advantage of the opportunity. It still could be somebody known to JB or GK. MOO

[Ice Cycle]

Just from reading about all of the children that were out & about in the apartment complex that day, it sounds like it was general practice to let the kids be out playing without adult supervision. Otherwise, the little girl that spent the night, the tattletale, or the little boy from upstairs would have had adults outside with them and then this whole situation could have been avoided. But apparently, there were NO adults outside.:sneaky:

Hello and Welcome, Yeah I am not clear on that whole scenario with the child who told if it was the same one she was at the apartment with earlier and how did this child know she was out there playing. Something I must of missed.

[~jomomma~]

i don't know if this has been posted, if so, sorry

funny, the family says they are waiting to get the DNA results and still holding out hope that it's not Nevaeh

Jennifers myspace says PLEASE HELP FIND NEVAEHS KILLER!

http://www.myspace.com/407347679


:sneaky:

[ann10]

Question is this the dad and son where she was playing I know the little boys name is Austin right? and someone has a comment and their name says RIP Nevaeh..this looks like the guy who was crying on TV the night she was found...

http://www.myspace.com/austis_daddy


This picture really is very odd. It gives me a sick feeling. imo.

[tammym]

i don't know if this has been posted, if so, sorry

funny, the family says they are waiting to get the DNA results and still holding out hope that it's not Nevaeh

Jennifers myspace says PLEASE HELP FIND NEVAEHS KILLER!

http://www.myspace.com/407347679


:sneaky:
But that says last login 6/2 Nevaeh wasn't located yet was she??

[tammym]

If you go in on Myspace and change the words in the
block (don't know what its' called) where JB says..
PLEASE HELP FIND NEVAEHS KILLER!
Would the login info reflect the date you wrote that?

Sorry I don't have a Myspace so I am clueless!

[~jomomma~]

i don't know. i don't have a myspace either

[sunstar]

If you go in on Myspace and change the words in the
block (don't know what its' called) where JB says..
PLEASE HELP FIND NEVAEHS KILLER!
Would the login info reflect the date you wrote that?

Sorry I don't have a Myspace so I am clueless!

Yes because you'd have to log-in to change anything on your page.

I found the name she gave herself (with $$$) there kind of interesting too. MOO

[sunstar]

I believe it was either someone JB knows or someone that hung around and knew JB didn't pay attention to her little girl and her whereabouts. Someone that knew JB was associating with RSO and that is who LE would focus on.
It may be a pedophile living in the complex who has focused in on Nevaeh for the last 2-3 months since they just moved in with Grandma. A person with no record.:glare:
It is also strange to me that there are many children that live in that large complex, with a playground and Nevaeh moves in barely 2-3 months and she was abducted.
jmo
I found the last part you mentioned rather interesting too. After seeing a few videos, it appears to be a well kept up complex. I had thought Nevaeh lived there before JB moved in 2-3 months ago though. MOO

[tammym]

It will show you when you last logged in. So if it shows JB logged in on 06/02/09 that would be her very last log in. You can not change wording without it showing your last log in...
Nevaeh's body was found on June 4th, last Thursday.:ohmy:
Hmmm well how did she know Nevaeh was murdered then?
Clairvoyant, I don't think so.

Very strange imo.

[tammym]

Yes because you'd have to log-in to change anything on your page.

I found the name she gave herself (with $$$) there kind of interesting too. MOO
I appreciate the info, did Jennifer have a job?

[sunstar]

Hmmm well how did she know Nevaeh was murdered then?
Clairvoyant, I don't think so.

Very strange imo.

Statistically it could be something she just felt, but to put it in print on myspace seems unusual, imo. I'd be so grief stricken I wouldn't even be thinking about logging in there. :crying: MOO

[sunstar]

I appreciate the info, did Jennifer have a job?

I don't recall that being mentioned. Good question! :shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

I don't recall that being mentioned. Good question! :shrug:

I read somewhere she was unemployed and had previously worked taking care of two elderly nuns.

I think that was JB they were talking about.

imo

[sunstar]

No mother wants to face the thought that her baby is DEAD....
JMO

Exactly! :scared:

[sunstar]

I read somewhere she was unemployed and had previously worked taking care of two elderly nuns.

I think that was JB they were talking about.

imo

Thanks! :smile: I hadn't read anything about her working now either.

[tammym]

Sorry if already posted but here JB speaks, I wonder if the room in the video is hers and Nevaeh's?
She says she hold out hope.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/subindex/news

[sunstar]

Sorry if already posted but here JB speaks, I wonder if the room in the video is hers and Nevaeh's?
She says she hold out hope.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/subindex/news

Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before. Yes, it looks like a bedroom with a lot of clothes and stuff piled on top of the mattress.

[sunstar]

I think JB knows a hell of a lot more than she has revealed or she has heard something telling in her little circle of Gypsy's, tramp, thieves, RSO's and pedophiles...:mad:
She is obviously not an angel of a mother herself with her felony home invasion chit. Low life!!!
JMO

Well, the home invasions were to support her drug habit, according to an article I read today. :unsure: MOO

[liberty11]

Woah. The myspace status and date are very strange... If my child was missing there is no way I would just think "oh my baby is gone, they must have been killed... Let's find the KILLER!" I would be thinking "FIND MY BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!" :angry:

That just makes no sense to me. None. And I am not one who has even suspected her yet... Crazy.

:confused:

[Intermeist]

Sorry if already posted but here JB speaks, I wonder if the room in the video is hers and Nevaeh's?
She says she hold out hope.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/subindex/news

That's a huge red flag to me. That interview was after the body was found and she's saying she still has hope because there's no proof yet it's her...and yet two days before the body is found, she puts "Help find Nevaeh's killer" on her Myspace page? CREEPY!

[tammym]

Woah. The myspace status and date are very strange... If my child was missing there is no way I would just think "oh my baby is gone, they must have been killed... Let's find the KILLER!" I would be thinking "FIND MY BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!" :angry:

That just makes no sense to me. None. And I am not one who has even suspected her yet... Crazy.

:confused:
Excellent point!!

You would certainly want to find your child and bring them home, that would be the most urgent thing to worry about.

[tammym]

That's a huge red flag to me. That interview was after the body was found and she's saying she still has hope because there's no proof yet it's her...and yet two days before the body is found, she puts "Help find Nevaeh's killer" on her Myspace page? CREEPY!
Yes and she said 'someone may have taken her'...Isn't that a given? :confused:

[sunstar]

That's a huge red flag to me. That interview was after the body was found and she's saying she still has hope because there's no proof yet it's her...and yet two days before the body is found, she puts "Help find Nevaeh's killer" on her Myspace page? CREEPY!

It's so strange, I hope LE is checking with myspace to see just who logged in ~ like to make sure someone else didn't have access to her p/w. :sneaky: MOO

[sunstar]

Excellent point!!

You would certainly want to find your child and bring them home, that would be the most urgent thing to worry about.

Like I said earlier, the last thing I'd think of would be to post a comment like that on myspace. I'd still be praying my child would be found alive! MOO

[Intermeist]

Question is this the dad and son where she was playing I know the little boys name is Austin right? and someone has a comment and their name says RIP Nevaeh..this looks like the guy who was crying on TV the night she was found...

http://www.myspace.com/austis_daddy

Probably means nothing, but when I saw Jennifer's Myspace name...$$MSS.BOSS$$...it reminded me that Aaron's background on his Myspace page is all pictures of money...?????

[sunstar]

Probably means nothing, but when I saw Jennifer's Myspace name...$$MSS.BOSS$$...it reminded me that Aaron's background on his Myspace page is all pictures of money...?????

I noticed that too! :wink: