June 6, 7

[Dick Tracy]

- June 6, 2009 -

Remember our Veterans in the Armed Forces all over the world that gave the ultimate sacrifice at Normandy on this day. D-Day.

[desmom]

Thank you Dick Tracy. :patriot:




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One year ago today - June 6, 2008

Amy totals her car. Casey told Amy “her boy from work sent her to Fusion to check on her daughter”. Page 11 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642949/Huizenga-Amy---Statement

Text Messages: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy > Casey: Got a shift.

Casey > Amy 06/06 9:09 p.m.: What time do you get off tonight?

Amy > Casey: Hopefully a little after 10.

Casey > Amy 06/06 9:46 p.m.: I came into work. Huge mistake. I tried to help setup for an event and got roped into staying a few hours.

Amy > Casey: Good thing I worked then! When are you done?

Amy > Casey: Done now.

Amy > Casey: I think I’m just going to head downtown. Lemme know when you get out.

Ricardo cooked. Casey was coming for dinner. She was late, he kept dinner warm. She canceled because she said she had to work. Later, Ricardo saw photos on myspace of her at Fusians. She said she had never been there, but later said she was there looking for her bosses daughter. Page 8 – 9 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement

[Sun]

Good morning Desmom! How easily all those lies seem to spew from Casey's lips.

[desmom]

Good morning Desmom! How easily all those lies seem to spew from Casey's lips.

Yep and she did not seem to worried about sticking to her story because she would later post pics on myspace that contradicted what she had said.

jmo

[Sun]

Yep and she did not seem to worried about sticking to her story because she would later post pics on myspace that contradicted what she had said.

jmo

I am still shocked at how easily she just forged Amy's checks and stole money from her.

[Explorer]

I cant believe that casey had Amy on the line for that long. If you know someone lies question everything.

[Explorer]

Maybe because they were so young but when 2 +2 dont add up dont trust them. Ever!

[Explorer]

Hi everyone Im recovering from a prom last night:scared:

[Explorer]

What I dont understand is why Amy fell for the sleepwalking bit:confused::mad:

[Explorer]

The only reason that I can think of why casey anthonys friends knew she was a liar and put up with it and overlooks it is because she was fun to be around. Party girls are fun to be around.

[Sun]

The only reason that I can think of why casey anthonys friends knew she was a liar and put up with it and overlooks it is because she was fun to be around. Party girls are fun to be around.

Casey did seem to like drama around her.

[desmom]

The sleepwalking bit confused me too unless Amy had a history of sleepwalking.

Amy and Casey started hanging out together in February 2008. After Casey started dating Tone in May 2008, Amy did not see or hear much from Casey. IMO, the Amy/Casey best friendship was still in the infancy stage.

I think Amy probably knew Casey was telling Ricardo lies, but she could explain those lies away with a relationship on the rocks.

jmo

[Explorer]

Her friend knew she was a liar but they didnt think she would lie to them.

[Explorer]

That just floors me that she would tell Amy the most bizarre story about sleep walking and Amy didnt step back and say Hey wait a minuite that sounds CRAZY.

[Elle]

What I dont understand is why Amy fell for the sleepwalking bit:confused::mad:


IIRC, Amy had taken Ambien or some sort of sleep med. Maybe she went with believing it because of the medicine, and thought maybe it could be a side effect or something. Bottom line IMO, is she really liked Casey and I think she just did not want to believe that she took it. idk.

imo

[MoonFlwr]

Hi everyone Im recovering from a prom last night:scared:

lol! How was it?!

Thanks for the new thread, Dick Tracey.

[Explorer]

lol! How was it?!

Thanks for the new thread, Dick Tracey.

My nerves are damaged:biggrin: I found a false eyelash stuck to the kitchen floor and I thought it was a bug and I tried to kill it:biggrin:

[Explorer]

IIRC, Amy had taken Ambien or some sort of sleep med. Maybe she went with believing it because of the medicine, and thought maybe it could be a side effect or something. Bottom line IMO, is she really liked Casey and I think she just did not want to believe that she took it. idk.

imo

I think thats it. casey anthony charmed her friends into thinking she really cared about them. A way to get them to trust her.

[Sun]

The sleepwalking bit confused me too unless Amy had a history of sleepwalking.

Amy and Casey started hanging out together in February 2008. After Casey started dating Tone in May 2008, Amy did not see or hear much from Casey. IMO, the Amy/Casey best friendship was still in the infancy stage.

I think Amy probably knew Casey was telling Ricardo lies, but she could explain those lies away with a relationship on the rocks.

jmo

I am unclear on just how Casey even met Amy. Did they just start hanging out together, because Amy was a friend of Ricardo's, and Casey had begun to date Ricardo? Was it through Ricardo that Amy and Casey became friends?

[MoonFlwr]

My nerves are damaged:biggrin: I found a false eyelash stuck to the kitchen floor and I thought it was a bug and I tried to kill it:biggrin:

O/T *giggle* Glad you survived it!

Sun: Agree with you...how easily the lies fall from Casey's lips.

I wonder if Casey learned lying through modelling or if it is part of her make-up, or both...or...*shrug*

[Sun]

O/T *giggle* Glad you survived it!

Sun: Agree with you...how easily the lies fall from Casey's lips.

I wonder if Casey learned lying through modelling or if it is part of her make-up, or both...or...*shrug*

It is quite likely that Casey may have learned to tell lies, from George. George seems to have a history of lying also. Like father, like daughter.

[desmom]

I am unclear on just how Casey even met Amy. Did they just start hanging out together, because Amy was a friend of Ricardo's, and Casey had begun to date Ricardo? Was it through Ricardo that Amy and Casey became friends?

page 77 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080890/Casey-Anthony-Court-Documents-Part-3

Amy told LE she apparently met Casey in 2007 when Casey attended a party Amy had. Amy did not recall meeting her at the party. Amy left to work for a cruise ship for six months. When she returned, Casey "got pretty close with my group of friends" and she was dating one of Amy's temp roommates...IMO, Ricardo.

[desmom]

New court documents in Casey Anthony case
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/06/new-court-documents-in-casey-a.html

Also new in the case:

- WKMG filed a motion opposing the defense's request to seal the jailhouse video taken of Casey Anthony as she saw news coverage that a child's remains has been found near her parent's home.

[adair]

Good Morning Everyone!!

I have been a bit out of touch.....have i missed anything?

[Sun]

page 77 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080890/Casey-Anthony-Court-Documents-Part-3

Amy told LE she apparently met Casey in 2007 when Casey attended a party Amy had. Amy did not recall meeting her at the party. Amy left to work for a cruise ship for six months. When she returned, Casey "got pretty close with my group of friends" and she was dating one of Amy's temp roommates...IMO, Ricardo.

Thanks so much for this. I guess that I just come from the old school, and that women in their 20s forming a best friend relationship so quickly is just a bit odd.

[Sun]

- WKMG filed a motion opposing the defense's request to seal the jailhouse video taken of Casey Anthony as she saw news coverage that a child's remains has been found near her parent's home.

WKMG is which channel? (can you tell that I'm not from the Orlando area?) I know it's not channel 9, that one is WFTV. LOL

[AMS]

New court documents in Casey Anthony case
http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/06/new-court-documents-in-casey-a.html

Also new in the case:

- WKMG filed a motion opposing the defense's request to seal the jailhouse video taken of Casey Anthony as she saw news coverage that a child's remains has been found near her parent's home.

Thanks des. Have you heard if any of the other media outlets have filed motions on the video?

Good morning everyone!

imo

[AMS]

- WKMG filed a motion opposing the defense's request to seal the jailhouse video taken of Casey Anthony as she saw news coverage that a child's remains has been found near her parent's home.

WKMG is which channel? (can you tell that I'm not from the Orlando area?) I know it's not channel 9, that one is WFTV. LOL

Hi Sun,
WKMG is Local 6 (www.clickorlando.com)

imo

[Sun]

Thanks AMS!

I'm hoping that one of the media will make available to us the actaul amended motions that Baez has filed, as well as any happening in the Civil Case lately. Nothing much seems to happen on the weekends though.

[Elle]

It is quite likely that Casey may have learned to tell lies, from George. George seems to have a history of lying also. Like father, like daughter.


I believe George fancies himself as crafty. I believe he is a covert manipulator. I believe he is always trying to work people, play them. I do not by it, I do not trust him, at all. A snake in the grass imo.

[sammy62]

It is quite likely that Casey may have learned to tell lies, from George. George seems to have a history of lying also. Like father, like daughter.

good morning everyone. Rainy in Minnesota (yayyyy)

Can you imagine a household of liers. The fights must have been horrendous.

[AMS]

I believe George fancies himself as crafty. I believe he is a covert manipulator. I believe he is always trying to work people, play them. I do not by it, I do not trust him, at all. A snake in the grass imo.

I have been all over the place during the last year with what I feel about George. I am now at the point where ITA with you....I do not trust him at all.

imo

[Sun]

I believe George fancies himself as crafty. I believe he is a covert manipulator. I believe he is always trying to work people, play them. I do not by it, I do not trust him, at all. A snake in the grass imo.

Jesse has said that Casey is much like a chamelion, and I also see a bit of that in George. He seems to change according to the people around him.

[CRRJJ]

The only reason that I can think of why casey anthonys friends knew she was a liar and put up with it and overlooks it is because she was fun to be around. Party girls are fun to be around.

Good morning all. I just wonder if Casey was so much like her mother that the reason people put up with her was because she, too, was a domineering, manipulative, intimidating piece of work.
Maybe it was easier (and safer) to put up with her lies, stealing, etc. than to stand up to her. JMOO

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I hope all of you or going to have a good day. It is hot in miss. I guess we have nothing new in this case. Is c and g staying close to home now days.Guess they or in their back yard getting a tan. I don;t see how they can sit out there and look at all of Caylee;s stuff. I can just see her playing in that back yard. I will never understand why g and c searched their back yard the very first thing.They both knew something had happened to Caylee and Casey did it.jmho

[martha]

Jesse has said that Casey is much like a chamelion, and I also see a bit of that in George. He seems to change according to the people around him.

ITa with you he is one way one day and then he changes when he is with someone elce. I think he is a player.jmho

[Tornado]

What I dont understand is why Amy fell for the sleepwalking bit:confused::mad:

Good morning, ITA- I would think that even at their age, to be told that you were up sleep walking in the night bad enough that you lost money, would send off some serious alarm signals in Amy's head.

[msgatorslayer]

Thank you Dick Tracy. :patriot:

Ricardo cooked. Casey was coming for dinner. She was late, he kept dinner warm. She canceled because she said she had to work. Later, Ricardo saw photos on myspace of her at Fusians. She said she had never been there, but later said she was there looking for her bosses daughter. Page 8 – 9 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement

BOLDED BY ME!

So, Casey has a pattern of lying about going to Fusions to look forDaughter's.:wink:

With friends like her, who needs enemies? She had multiple people on standby for any given night until she could figure out, IMO, IF her parents would babysit, and what she really wanted to do.

Poor Ricardo, cooking dinner for her, waiting for her, and she totally dissed him. Only for him to find out later she was lying about why she didn't show up.

G'morning, everyone!!!

[Sun]

I have been all over the place during the last year with what I feel about George. I am now at the point where ITA with you....I do not trust him at all.

imo

I remember the feeling that I had about George, after I finished reading the first 400 page Doc Dump. It was one of "was George somehow involved?" I couldn't rule him out, but what I read there. I had no doubt in my mind then, that Casey was completely involved in the killing of Caylee. At that time, I just could rule out the possiblity of George also being involved in some manner.

At Casey's Bond Hearing, I watched how Casey responded when George was on the stand, and compared it to how Casey responded when Cindy was on the stand. There was a remarkable difference. And, I also compared Casey's reaction to how she was with LE.

[msgatorslayer]

good morning everyone. Rainy in Minnesota (yayyyy)

Can you imagine a household of liers. The fights must have been horrendous.

I think in the Anthony household, one gets the hammer for telling the truth. :tongueside:

[trich]

My nerves are damaged:biggrin: I found a false eyelash stuck to the kitchen floor and I thought it was a bug and I tried to kill it:biggrin:

Now that is funny....you made my day!!!!

Brought back memories.:biggrin:

[sammy62]

I think in the Anthony household, one gets the hammer for telling the truth. :tongueside:

I'll take my peaceful boring house anyday. :wub:

[msgatorslayer]

I'll take my peaceful boring house anyday. :wub:

Same here!:thumbsup:

I used to have a set of neighbors that lived on drama. So glad I don't like next to them anymore. It's a way of life for some. If nothing is going on, they're bored.

[AMS]

Caylee Anthony - The Latest News On The Case

Here's a good summary of the week if anyone is just checking in.

http://www.bloggernews.net/121153


imo

[Sun]

Same here!:thumbsup:

I used to have a set of neighbors that lived on drama. So glad I don't like next to them anymore. It's a way of life for some. If nothing is going on, they're bored.

I thank the Lord every single day, for having the wonderful neighbors that I have. I cannot imagine living in the same neighborhood as the Anthonys. It would be hell.

[EverMoth]

Caylee Anthony - The Latest News On The Case

Here's a good summary of the week if anyone is just checking in.

http://www.bloggernews.net/121153


imo

GM all!

Thx for posting the blog. This is taken from the blog:
Casey has filed a complaint against Casey Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, with the Florida Bar Association. The private investigator is claiming that Baez instructed him not to call 911 if he discovered the body of the baby.

Whoa! I suspected that Baez, the Ants, et. al. knew she was dead and exactly where to find her. This could be a potential bombshell. I didn't know that Mr. Casey had filed this complaint. I wonder why LE isn't all over this.

Also, it says in the blog:
Apparently last week a court order was signed by the judge ordering him to turn over his cell phone records but he claims he has not yet received the request. He has agreed to do so but he is refusing to turn over all of them despite the court order. He says any records that are related to his work with Anthony or her attorney is confidential and he will not release them.

Is there any way around this? Are the phone records firmly sealed through client confidentiality or can the judge supoena them regardless if it is felt they are significant to the case?

[Sun]

GM all!

Thx for posting the blog. This is taken from the blog:
Casey has filed a complaint against Casey Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, with the Florida Bar Association. The private investigator is claiming that Baez instructed him not to call 911 if he discovered the body of the baby.

Whoa! I suspected that Baez, the Ants, et. al. knew she was dead and exactly where to find her. This could be a potential bombshell. I didn't know that Mr. Casey had filed this complaint. I wonder why LE isn't all over this.

Also, it says in the blog:
Apparently last week a court order was signed by the judge ordering him to turn over his cell phone records but he claims he has not yet received the request. He has agreed to do so but he is refusing to turn over all of them despite the court order. He says any records that are related to his work with Anthony or her attorney is confidential and he will not release them.

Is there any way around this? Are the phone records firmly sealed through client confidentiality or can the judge supoena them regardless if it is felt they are significant to the case?

Did Baez fail to properly notice DCasey as to that Motion for phone records? Or did DCasey just fail to appear when the Motion was argued? I expect that DCasey is going to stall, delay, delay, delay, just like he has done in giving a depo in the Civil Case. DCasey is very deep in hot water, and he knows it. I suspect that he'll be losing his PI license before this is all done.

[EverMoth]

Did Baez fail to properly notice DCasey as to that Motion for phone records? Or did DCasey just fail to appear when the Motion was argued? I expect that DCasey is going to stall, delay, delay, delay, just like he has done in giving a depo in the Civil Case. DCasey is very deep in hot water, and he knows it. I suspect that he'll be losing his PI license before this is all done.

Yes, it does seem like he is in deep doo-doo. But it appears that Baez is neck deep in quicksand as well. I remember when seeing Casey nosing around at the dump site poking away at the ground trying to find the body. I felt certain that Caylee's demise was already known and some kind of cover up was going on. I hope all of this comes out.

[Sun]

Is there any legal privilege for a PI and a client? (client being Casey or Cindy & George)

I know there is for an attorney and a client. But would that legal privilege extend also to a PI (and because DCasey was employed by Baez, how would that factor in?)

There was a stretch of time where the Anthonys were not represented by counsel, NeJame was gone and Conway didn't come on board until around the date that Caylee's remains were found by Kronk. I'm thinking that legally there is no legal privilege that can be claimed in regards to the time that DCasey was working for the Anthonys (as they are not attornies).

Do I believe that Baez is entitled to all of DCasey's phone records? Absolutely not! LOL However DCasey wasn't in court to object, so Judge Strickland just gave Baez what he was asking for. LOL

[EverMoth]

Is there any legal privilege for a PI and a client? (client being Casey or Cindy & George)

I know there is for an attorney and a client. But would that legal privilege extend also to a PI (and because DCasey was employed by Baez, how would that factor in?)

There was a stretch of time where the Anthonys were not represented by counsel, NeJame was gone and Conway didn't come on board until around the date that Caylee's remains were found by Kronk. I'm thinking that legally there is no legal privilege that can be claimed in regards to the time that DCasey was working for the Anthonys (as they are not attornies).

Do I believe that Baez is entitled to all of DCasey's phone records? Absolutely not! LOL However DCasey wasn't in court to object, so Judge Strickland just gave Baez what he was asking for. LOL

I wish I knew more about the law regarding PI/client confidentiality. My gut feeling tells me it doesn't exist in this case. It's not like a physician or a lawyer. But what could phone records reveal anyway? It wouldn't be out of the norm for him to be placing and receiving calls from anyone involved in the case. But Baez's comment about not calling LE if the body is found seems very strange.

[Sun]

Yes, it does seem like he is in deep doo-doo. But it appears that Baez is neck deep in quicksand as well. I remember when seeing Casey nosing around at the dump site poking away at the ground trying to find the body. I felt certain that Caylee's demise was already known and some kind of cover up was going on. I hope all of this comes out.

The fact that DCasey filed a Bar Complaint again Baez, and now Baez is wanting DCasey's phone records just smells to me. When the players begin taking actions like these, we are bound to see the fallout. They are all sinking in that quicksand. What comes out will be added to the pile of nails that will build Casey's coffin.

[Sun]

I wish I knew more about the law regarding PI/client confidentiality. My gut feeling tells me it doesn't exist in this case. It's not like a physician or a lawyer. But what could phone records reveal anyway? It wouldn't be out of the norm for him to be placing and receiving calls from anyone involved in the case. But Baez's comment about not calling LE if the body is found seems very strange.

I've thought about this. Locating the body would have likely hurt the Defense. However, it's my opinion that Casey has thrown a web of lies towards Baez, and he may have had some doubts as to just what the truth was. Maybe Baez really, really, really wanted to just KNOW if the remains were (for sure). I do recall a time that Baez and DCasey visited Casey in the jail. What purpose would that have been for?

[Barbara fl.]

What I dont understand is why Amy fell for the sleepwalking bit:confused::mad:



That always troubled me...Amy has to be a little naive....I can not think of too many people that would buy that story...in fact I can not think of anyone....

[EverMoth]

The fact that DCasey filed a Bar Complaint again Baez, and now Baez is wanting DCasey's phone records just smells to me. When the players begin taking actions like these, we are bound to see the fallout. They are all sinking in that quicksand. What comes out will be added to the pile of nails that will build Casey's coffin.

ITA. The whole stinking mess is so convoluted at this point there is no way out or through it. I think the case could is imploding. I see a defense scrambling for a strategy to actually defend this. There is a mountain of evidence and now there is a a new call-the-shots attorney who isn't sex-smitten like JB and has probably sized Casey up pretty well by now.

A competent attorney, unlike JB, would certainly understand the weak position they are in. It is possible that, at this point, Ms. Lyon feels the only way to get the DP off the table would be a plea deal. I can't personally think of any other way the Angel of Death could be certain of this without a plea.

Her passion for removing the DP would indicate that she would ONLY be thinking about this outcome for her client. If a plea is the only way to achieve that, she would naturally devote her passion to getting that plea. And, if that happens or is happening behind the scenes, it might not be pretty for Casey.

Ms. Lyon has been know to be nasty to witnesses, therefore she has that in her. I don't believe she is afraid of Casey at all. I believe Ms. Lyon would get in Casey's face real fast with some jaw-dropping straight talk about life and death if that is what she needs to do to get a plea. I also feel that if she can't get a plea, she might quit the case.

If there is any way, apart from a plea deal, that would give a good change for the DP to go away, I'd like to hear it as, imo, there is no other defense strategy. I sense desperation on the part of of the defense, behind the scenes chaos, vehement differences in how to try the case, etc. etc. All is JMO.

[EverMoth]

I've thought about this. Locating the body would have likely hurt the Defense. However, it's my opinion that Casey has thrown a web of lies towards Baez, and he may have had some doubts as to just what the truth was. Maybe Baez really, really, really wanted to just KNOW if the remains were (for sure). I do recall a time that Baez and DCasey visited Casey in the jail. What purpose would that have been for?

What stands out to me is that they knew remains existed and they knew where to find them.

[Barbara fl.]

I wish I knew more about the law regarding PI/client confidentiality. My gut feeling tells me it doesn't exist in this case. It's not like a physician or a lawyer. But what could phone records reveal anyway? It wouldn't be out of the norm for him to be placing and receiving calls from anyone involved in the case. But Baez's comment about not calling LE if the body is found seems very strange.

Good morning all,

I know that they have a phone service in Florida that you buy a phone for 20.00 and buy minutes....they do not ask you for your name or anything because I bought one for my granddaughter until I was able to trust her with a regular cell phone....

I would assume (I could be wrong) that a PI would not use his own phone for these type of things, it's too simple to just buy a phone and nothing can be traced back to you....

My personal belief is that it was Lee on the other end of that phone....

[Barbara fl.]

What stands out to me is that they knew remains existed and they knew where to find them.


They knew from day one that Caylee was no longer alive...all the rest was just a cover up for Casey.....They (the Anthony's) wanted to make sure that body was never found, they just didn't know how to go about it....they assumed that without a body, no jury would convict....

Notice how the Anthony's were not in shock over the remains being found....they went out to dinner and enjoyed every morsel of it....I don't know of ANYONE that would have an appitite after just finding out that your grandchild's body was just found.....they would have had to carry me away.....

[Sun]

What stands out to me is that they knew remains existed and they knew where to find them.

And, I believe that the Jury will hear that. At least I hope so.

[EverMoth]

Good morning all,

I know that they have a phone service in Florida that you buy a phone for 20.00 and buy minutes....they do not ask you for your name or anything because I bought one for my granddaughter until I was able to trust her with a regular cell phone....

I would assume (I could be wrong) that a PI would not use his own phone for these type of things, it's too simple to just buy a phone and nothing can be traced back to you....

My personal belief is that it was Lee on the other end of that phone....

I wondered if it could have been Lee. Even if the phone records were released what could they show? That Lee had called Mr. Casey? I don't see how the phone records could be significant. But if JB knew where the remains were before they were actually discovered, wouldn't that be huge?

[Sun]

They knew from day one that Caylee was no longer alive...all the rest was just a cover up for Casey.....They (the Anthony's) wanted to make sure that body was never found, they just didn't know how to go about it....they assumed that without a body, no jury would convict....

Notice how the Anthony's were not in shock over the remains being found....they went out to dinner and enjoyed every morsel of it....I don't know of ANYONE that would have an appitite after just finding out that your grandchild's body was just found.....they would have had to carry me away.....

chuckles... Judge Strickland wasn't about the let Baez/Casey go out and travel in secret (when she was out on bond). The media were keeping a very close eye on the Anthonys also. All those protestors were keeping everyone holed up inside the Anthony home. LOL

[EverMoth]

They knew from day one that Caylee was no longer alive...all the rest was just a cover up for Casey.....They (the Anthony's) wanted to make sure that body was never found, they just didn't know how to go about it....they assumed that without a body, no jury would convict....

Notice how the Anthony's were not in shock over the remains being found....they went out to dinner and enjoyed every morsel of it....I don't know of ANYONE that would have an appitite after just finding out that your grandchild's body was just found.....they would have had to carry me away.....

Yes, exactly! We all observed that. There was no surprise. And I wonder what would have happened had Mr. Casey actually found the body when he was poking around. What would they have done with it? If JB instructed him not to call LE what was he planning to do with the body? Move it so it wouldn't be found?

So, Mr. Casey filed a complaint against JB for telling him not to call LE if a body was discovered. Why isn't this signficant to LE? I would think it would be explosive since it clearly shows that the defense, et al, knew she was dead and knew where she was dumped. I don't understand why much more hasn't been made of this.

[Daffodil]

The fact that DCasey filed a Bar Complaint again Baez, and now Baez is wanting DCasey's phone records just smells to me. When the players begin taking actions like these, we are bound to see the fallout. They are all sinking in that quicksand. What comes out will be added to the pile of nails that will build Casey's coffin.



And this is why I think the defense is so irresponsible. They clearly are going after everty little thing that bothers them whether it will relate to the trail or not. Example: the video of Casey in medical, the prosecution doesn't even plan on using it. It sounds like JB is like the A's, ready for a fight at every chance he gets. Maybe things will change with Lyons on board now.

[Barbara fl.]

ITA. The whole stinking mess is so convoluted at this point there is no way out or through it. I think the case could is imploding. I see a defense scrambling for a strategy to actually defend this. There is a mountain of evidence and now there is a a new call-the-shots attorney who isn't sex-smitten like JB and has probably sized Casey up pretty well by now.

A competent attorney, unlike JB, would certainly understand the weak position they are in. It is possible that, at this point, Ms. Lyon feels the only way to get the DP off the table would be a plea deal. I can't personally think of any other way the Angel of Death could be certain of this without a plea.

Her passion for removing the DP would indicate that she would ONLY be thinking about this outcome for her client. If a plea is the only way to achieve that, she would naturally devote her passion to getting that plea. And, if that happens or is happening behind the scenes, it might not be pretty for Casey.

Ms. Lyon has been know to be nasty to witnesses, therefore she has that in her. I don't believe she is afraid of Casey at all. I believe Ms. Lyon would get in Casey's face real fast with some jaw-dropping straight talk about life and death if that is what she needs to do to get a plea. I also feel that if she can't get a plea, she might quit the case.

If there is any way, apart from a plea deal, that would give a good change for the DP to go away, I'd like to hear it as, imo, there is no other defense strategy. I sense desperation on the part of of the defense, behind the scenes chaos, vehement differences in how to try the case, etc. etc. All is JMO.

That could also be why Cindy was upset at the hearing...never saw her like that before.....but didn't Lenamom try that and left because Baez wouldn't have it?....I just doubt that Casey would agree to such a thing..she is too thick headed....and I think that Casey actually believes that she will win.....

But Baez and LKB and the rest have got to know that there is NO defense here...and if they don't think quick, Casey may very well get that needle.....

[Barbara fl.]

Yes, exactly! We all observed that. There was no surprise. And I wonder what would have happened had Mr. Casey actually found the body when he was poking around. What would they have done with it? If JB instructed him not to call LE what was he planning to do with the body? Move it so it wouldn't be found?

So, Mr. Casey filed a complaint against JB for telling him not to call LE if a body was discovered. Why isn't this signficant to LE? I would think it would be explosive since it clearly shows that the defense, et al, knew she was dead and knew where she was dumped. I don't understand why much more hasn't been made of this.


Could be that LE is waiting to get proof of this....they probably need more than hearsay...But I personally believe it....the very last thing that Baez or LKB wanted was a body to surface.....because their defense was going to be that Calee was still alive....therefore I believe that the body would have been buried deep somewhere for a private funeral after the trial.....JMO

[EverMoth]

That could also be why Cindy was upset at the hearing...never saw her like that before.....but didn't Lenamom try that and left because Baez wouldn't have it?....I just doubt that Casey would agree to such a thing..she is too thick headed....and I think that Casey actually believes that she will win.....

But Baez and LKB and the rest have got to know that there is NO defense here...and if they don't think quick, Casey may very well get that needle.....

Thx Barb - I was wondering if anyone else had similar thoughts. I began thinking along these lines when I observed this difference in Cindy. I also got goosebumps at the look in Casey's eyes when she was looking at Ms. Lyons. I just "knew" the dynamic of the defense team had radically changed. If Casey will not talk, imo, she will get the needle. So I sense deep conflict behind the scenes here. AL is no dummy. She's an accomplished attorney - far above the likes of JB. There is NO WAY, imo, that she is going to let this sham of a defense team ruin her chances of getting the DP off the table. IMO

[Barbara fl.]

chuckles... Judge Strickland wasn't about the let Baez/Casey go out and travel in secret (when she was out on bond). The media were keeping a very close eye on the Anthonys also. All those protestors were keeping everyone holed up inside the Anthony home. LOL


That is the reason that they couldn't have moved the body in any case....but I think they would have tried someway....

It also could have been why the Anthony's were so upset with all the memorials set up in front of their house prior to Caylee being found....BUT, had they allowed it to continue, they probably could have snuck out the back way during the night and move (what they thought to be just a bag) and hide the remains....but they did need to know exactly were it was....

And whose to say that they didn't wonder down there during the wee hours of the morning when no one was around but just couldn't find it....I guess they needed Casey but she was in jail or had that braclet around that ankle of hers...

[EverMoth]

Could be that LE is waiting to get proof of this....they probably need more than hearsay...But I personally believe it....the very last thing that Baez or LKB wanted was a body to surface.....because their defense was going to be that Calee was still alive....therefore I believe that the body would have been buried deep somewhere for a private funeral after the trial.....JMO

I believe it too. I pray that LE does get the proof they need. If this does come out, JB might well be looking at plea bargaining his way out of prison through throwing his client under the bus, which is where she needs to be. imo

[Sun]

That could also be why Cindy was upset at the hearing...never saw her like that before.....but didn't Lenamom try that and left because Baez wouldn't have it?....I just doubt that Casey would agree to such a thing..she is too thick headed....and I think that Casey actually believes that she will win.....

But Baez and LKB and the rest have got to know that there is NO defense here...and if they don't think quick, Casey may very well get that needle.....

Baez may have picked Lyon, because she may be able to keep the needle out of Casey's arm, after Casey is found Guilty. Personally, I don't care is Casey spends the rest of her life in prison, or if she is put to death.

I think that Baez first wants Lyon to try to get the State to remove the death penalty from this case, just like he used Lenamon for this purpose back in Oct/Nov of 2008. Baez thinks that this is HIS case, and he's not going to let Lyon come in and take over. Perhaps the Florida Bar may eventually change this. LOL

[Sun]

For some reason, I decided to go back and re-watch an old court hearing. This is the one where Casey was "made" to attend, and delayed for a bit so that Casey could be brought from the jail.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18440731/index.html

[Barbara fl.]

I wondered if it could have been Lee. Even if the phone records were released what could they show? That Lee had called Mr. Casey? I don't see how the phone records could be significant. But if JB knew where the remains were before they were actually discovered, wouldn't that be huge?

I do believe that Casey was looking for the remains and was being guided by someone on that phone...however, I do not believe that it is against the law in Florida for someone to know of a crime and not devulge it to LE....I know at one time it wasn't, but I'm not sure about now.....maybe one of our lawyer posters could give us their input on it....

[Barbara fl.]

Baez may have picked Lyon, because she may be able to keep the needle out of Casey's arm, after Casey is found Guilty. Personally, I don't care is Casey spends the rest of her life in prison, or if she is put to death.

I think that Baez first wants Lyon to try to get the State to remove the death penalty from this case, just like he used Lenamon for this purpose back in Oct/Nov of 2008. Baez thinks that this is HIS case, and he's not going to let Lyon come in and take over. Perhaps the Florida Bar may eventually change this. LOL

I too, do not care if she gets the DP or spends the rest of her life in jail....

I never liked the DP...but only because I don't like to think of death as a punishment....It's something that we all will be doing one day, lol...and it seems that it lets them off too easy....Let her rot in jail....as long as she never sees daylight again.....

[EverMoth]

I do believe that Casey was looking for the remains and was being guided by someone on that phone...however, I do not believe that it is against the law in Florida for someone to know of a crime and not devulge it to LE....I know at one time it wasn't, but I'm not sure about now.....maybe one of our lawyer posters could give us their input on it....

Wow. But, if true, this shows that Casey was guilting of dumping her daughter and confiding that to others who, based on her input, began a search to find the body.

[Sun]

I don't attach much meaning into Cindy's "performance" at the last court hearing. Remember, that she just in the days prior, spoke at a vigil for Haliegh....perhaps Cindy was trying out some of the emotions that she saw them exhibiting. IMO, it was just another one of Cindy's poor performances, and I wasn't buying any of it.

I doubt very much that the Defense attorneys are speaking with the Anthonys about anything, unless it is through their attorney Conway.

[Sun]

I do believe that Casey was looking for the remains and was being guided by someone on that phone...however, I do not believe that it is against the law in Florida for someone to know of a crime and not devulge it to LE....I know at one time it wasn't, but I'm not sure about now.....maybe one of our lawyer posters could give us their input on it....

Since PI Casey holds a PI license, he may be held to a certain standard in this issue. I believe that they have some ethical rules. As do attorneys.

I think that the State is going to focus on getting a conviction of the killer of Caylee. There may be "other players" that also will go down eventually. LOL At least I hope so!

[Sun]

Something that I really wish that the media would provide, is Casey's Inmate Visitor's Log from Jan 26th through the present.

One thing that I would like to see, is if Kasen has ever visited Casey in the jail. He's not shown on any logs leading up to Jan 26th. Is he really representing Casey, or is he just a "puppet" that Baez is using?

[Dick Tracy]

Good Morning All!

Does anyone have a link to a TRANSCRIPT of a jailhouse visit where Lee visits Casey, and there is a question and answer of sorts where Lee asks her if it was "like before", and she says, yes, like before but not exactly.

I know the video is out there, but I can't bring myself to watch it.

HELP.. I believe this is where Casey passes to Lee what happened, as well as the location of Caylee.

Thanks, and good morning again!

[martha]

That always troubled me...Amy has to be a little naive....I can not think of too many people that would buy that story...in fact I can not think of anyone....You or so right no one would buy that story. Was amy on ambin? now when some people take that they do thing they do not remember. They getup and cook and go out and don;t rem.it.ha. It don;t do everyone that way but some people it does. That is the only reason I could think of that amy would even think she did that. No one does things they don;t rem.when they get up and I don;t think amy has a history of sleep walking. I am not sure she was taken ambin.jmho

[martha]

I too, do not care if she gets the DP or spends the rest of her life in jail....

I never liked the DP...but only because I don't like to think of death as a punishment....It's something that we all will be doing one day, lol...and it seems that it lets them off too easy....Let her rot in jail....as long as she never sees daylight again.....ITA with you the death pen.is to good for someone that kills another person or child. She should spend the rest of her life in prison. Did susan smith get lwop? I sure hope she did.I sure hope casey get lwop too. If casey did not do this then who did? 31 days and she never told anyone Caylee is missing boy she sure did not love Caylee like most mothers love their children. When or the courts and everyone start taking up for our children that or getting murdered everyday? jmho

[martha]

o/t I feel so sorry for the family of the bride that her hubby let her drown and he only gets one year. what is wrong with our system? You would get more than that for robing someone. He as much as just shot her. in fact it was worse than being shot.jmho

[martha]

I am sorry everyone but when I get Caylee on my mind and get on here and hear how her lawyers may play this in court and get her of I just get so mad and then I start to rant. I wish I would not let it get to me so bad but it does. Just like all the other children that or killed I hope everyone of them get lwop. It seems we always have some lawyers that will come in and help them get of. I know in my heart that one day God will take care of it but here on earth it just burnes me up.I am sure I need to ask for forgivens everyday. Had Caylee been my gb I would still be crying every day and sever second of the day. I could not be doing like c and g and lee. They have all known the truth since day one.or day 31 jmho

[KP1935]

o/t I feel so sorry for the family of the bride that her hubby let her drown and he only gets one year. what is wrong with our system? You would get more than that for robing someone. He as much as just shot her. in fact it was worse than being shot.jmho

Two things about the case...1) It happened in Australia, so "our" system didn't have control of it. 2) From what I've seen (I saw the Dateline thing about 4 months ago and briefly saw Matt Lauer talking about it yesterday), the husband flew back to Australia and plead guilty to manslaughter, so either the Australian couts offered him a plea deal, or they didn't charge him with murder. Had this been in the states, easily murder 1, too much evidence pointing to him.

Ok, back on topic.

[gaelicpeas]

Good Morning All!

Does anyone have a link to a TRANSCRIPT of a jailhouse visit where Lee visits Casey, and there is a question and answer of sorts where Lee asks her if it was "like before", and she says, yes, like before but not exactly.

I know the video is out there, but I can't bring myself to watch it.

HELP.. I believe this is where Casey passes to Lee what happened, as well as the location of Caylee.

Thanks, and good morning again!I am not sure exactly what you are looking for, but this link has transcripts of lots of things:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcripts.htm

[gaelicpeas]

This link also has all the video visits:

http://www.cfnews13.com/Features/Caylee/Video/default.aspx?refresh=1

[desmom]

Good Morning All!

Does anyone have a link to a TRANSCRIPT of a jailhouse visit where Lee visits Casey, and there is a question and answer of sorts where Lee asks her if it was "like before", and she says, yes, like before but not exactly.

I know the video is out there, but I can't bring myself to watch it.

HELP.. I believe this is where Casey passes to Lee what happened, as well as the location of Caylee.

Thanks, and good morning again!

Hmmm, I am not sure there is a complete transcript. I found this article....

Could Zenaida Gonzalez have been Code for Caylee Anthony’s Location and Not Just a Nanny’s Name?
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/

[EverMoth]

I am sorry everyone but when I get Caylee on my mind and get on here and hear how her lawyers may play this in court and get her of I just get so mad and then I start to rant. I wish I would not let it get to me so bad but it does. Just like all the other children that or killed I hope everyone of them get lwop. It seems we always have some lawyers that will come in and help them get of. I know in my heart that one day God will take care of it but here on earth it just burnes me up.I am sure I need to ask for forgivens everyday. Had Caylee been my gb I would still be crying every day and sever second of the day. I could not be doing like c and g and lee. They have all known the truth since day one.or day 31 jmho

Martha, I feel the same way as you do. There is something about this particular case that provokes horrific anger in me.

I personally don't think the lawyers have a chance in he!! of getting Casey "off". If she is willing to take a plea deal then Ms. Lyon will be able to get the DP removed. But, imo, that is the only scenario I can see where anything would be removed from this case. The defense doesn't even know what to do with the case. They appear to be running in circles blowing smoke out of their azzes. JMO, but they seem confused, lacking of confidence. They remind me of the client they are trying to defend.

[EverMoth]

Hmmm, I am not sure there is a complete transcript. I found this article....

Could Zenaida Gonzalez have been Code for Caylee Anthony’s Location and Not Just a Nanny’s Name?
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/


OMG! The land map shows that, indeed, the white pages list the last names of the two individuals that border the property of where Caylee's body was dumped are "Gonzalea" and "Zenaida". OMG! OMG! Nice sleuthing on someone's behalf.

So, in addition to that, the real ZG, who is suing Casey, just happened to be at the Sawgrass filling out an rental app - the very same apt. complex Casey hung out at?

WTF?? :confused:

[saywhat04]

BOLDED BY ME!

So, Casey has a pattern of lying about going to Fusions to look for Daughter's. :wink:

With friends like her, who needs enemies? She had multiple people on standby for any given night until she could figure out, IMO, IF her parents would babysit, and what she really wanted to do.

Poor Ricardo, cooking dinner for her, waiting for her, and she totally dissed him. Only for him to find out later she was lying about why she didn't show up.

G'morning, everyone!!!

Good morning!

Bolding mine ...

I agree with this. Imo, the OC's friends spent too much time listening to her words and not enough time focused on her actions. She was dazzling them with bullchit, in other words, but her actions rarely matched her words. When words and actions don't match, it's a huge red flag you're dealing with an untrustworthy individual.

Casey was very disrespectful to her friends -- an A family trait, it seems. If her friends had demanded she treat them with respect (meet her commitments to them, not keep them hanging while she ran a game on them, etc.), many of them would've learned early on she couldn't be trusted and to avoid her.

[EverMoth]

Casey was very disrespectful to her friends -- an A family trait, it seems. If her friends had demanded she treat them with respect (meet her commitments to them, not keep them hanging while she ran a game on them, etc.), many of them would've learned early on she couldn't be trusted and to avoid her.


Morning saywhat :seeya:

imo, if her friends would have demanded respect from Casey she would have dropped them without batting an eye and quickly found other "friends" who would give her the Narcisstic supply she craved and lived for. That's the thing with people like that, others are useful only as long as they are supplying the narc drug. Once that hit dries up, that person is quickly and easily discarded and a new sucker is found. ick! Hate this person!

[Dick Tracy]

OMG! The land map shows that, indeed, the white pages list the last names of the two individuals that border the property of where Caylee's body was dumped are "Gonzalea" and "Zenaida". OMG! OMG! Nice sleuthing on someone's behalf.

So, in addition to that, the real ZG, who is suing Casey, just happened to be at the Sawgrass filling out an rental app - the very same apt. complex Casey hung out at?

WTF?? :confused:

GOOD MORNING!

I saw that link a few weeks ago. However, I don't think Casey was that smart to be able to give clues that would pinpoint Caylee's remains. It's valid reasoning, but I think it's a stretch.

[EverMoth]

GOOD MORNING!

I saw that link a few weeks ago. However, I don't think Casey was that smart to be able to give clues that would pinpoint Caylee's remains. It's valid reasoning, but I think it's a stretch.

One HUGE coincidence, though! I mean what are the odds of that? I do agree that, in some ways, Casey is as dumb as a stick but she is very crafty and smart in other ways. JMO. But you are probably right about this. Interesting though!

[saywhat04]

Morning saywhat :seeya:

imo, if her friends would have demanded respect from Casey she would have dropped them without batting an eye and quickly found other "friends" who would give her the Narcisstic supply she craved and lived for. That's the thing with people like that, others are useful only as long as they are supplying the narc drug. Once that hit dries up, that person is quickly and easily discarded and a new sucker is found. ick! Hate this person!

Howdy, Ever. :seeya:

I agree. And in fact, the OC did seem to cycle through friends fairly quickly. I just hope some of her nicer friends (thinking Jesse and Amy in particular) have learned a thing or two about human behavior and won't get caught up with any more *Caseys*. Ugh.

[EverMoth]

Howdy, Ever. :seeya:

I agree. And in fact, the OC did seem to cycle through friends fairly quickly. I just hope some of her nicer friends (thinking Jesse and Amy in particular) have learned a thing or two about human behavior and won't get caught up with any more *Caseys*. Ugh.

I certainly hope so too. These types of people can be incredibly hard, if not impossible, to read.

[AlohaRainbow]

*snip*

One year ago today - June 6, 2008

Amy totals her car. Casey told Amy “her boy from work sent her to Fusion to check on her daughter”. Page 11 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642949/Huizenga-Amy---Statement
*snip*
Ricardo cooked. Casey was coming for dinner. She was late, he kept dinner warm. She canceled because she said she had to work. Later, Ricardo saw photos on myspace of her at Fusians. She said she had never been there, but later said she was there looking for her bosses daughter. Page 8 – 9 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement
thanks desmom for posting these "one year ago today" posts... not only a reminder of what was happening, but always some new info for me (as i haven't had a chance to read all the docs that have been dumped).

so... very interesting that casey lied in early june about going (being sent) to fusian to locate someone ... similar to her later lie that she went to fusian to try to locate invisi-nanny. :cursing: it's unbelievable how easily lies just slip off her tongue :tongueside:

[ttcRider]

GOOD MORNING!

I saw that link a few weeks ago. However, I don't think Casey was that smart to be able to give clues that would pinpoint Caylee's remains. It's valid reasoning, but I think it's a stretch.

I have to agree with you, I just can't give her THAT much credit.

[martha]

Martha, I feel the same way as you do. There is something about this particular case that provokes horrific anger in me.

I personally don't think the lawyers have a chance in he!! of getting Casey "off". If she is willing to take a plea deal then Ms. Lyon will be able to get the DP removed. But, imo, that is the only scenario I can see where anything would be removed from this case. The defense doesn't even know what to do with the case. They appear to be running in circles blowing smoke out of their azzes. JMO, but they seem confused, lacking of confidence. They remind me of the client they are trying to defend.ITA with you and I sure hope she don;t get away with this. Caylee was a sweet little girl not even 3 yet and her life was just taken away from her with out a reason or anything that we can understand. I think she was beganing to talk and she was getting bigger and casey could not keep given her stuff to make her sleep and put her in the trunk so she had to do something elce. I think cindy made casey so mad that night of the fight she took it out on Caylee. I think Caylee had taken her place with c and g and she did not like that one bit. It makes me wondeer if there is anything in this world that would make casey tell the truth since she has never told the truth in the past. I think jb and the other lawyers or telling casey she will get out of this. I think c and g want to see casey but I don;t think she wants to see them. casey don;t love them anymore than she loved Caylee.jmho

[Unleashed]

My nerves are damaged:biggrin: I found a false eyelash stuck to the kitchen floor and I thought it was a bug and I tried to kill it:biggrin:

:lol:

I have alerted the SPCFE. They will be visiting you shortly to remove all false eyelashes remaining in the home in order to prevent any further cruelty.

JMO

[ttcRider]

:lol:

I have alerted the SPCFE. They will be visiting you shortly to remove all false eyelashes remaining in the home in order to prevent any further cruelty.

JMO

You know what they say, theres no such thing as just one fake eyelash... I'd be worried about an investation! :laugh:

[EverMoth]

ITA with you and I sure hope she don;t get away with this. Caylee was a sweet little girl not even 3 yet and her life was just taken away from her with out a reason or anything that we can understand. I think she was beganing to talk and she was getting bigger and casey could not keep given her stuff to make her sleep and put her in the trunk so she had to do something elce. I think cindy made casey so mad that night of the fight she took it out on Caylee. I think Caylee had taken her place with c and g and she did not like that one bit. It makes me wondeer if there is anything in this world that would make casey tell the truth since she has never told the truth in the past. I think jb and the other lawyers or telling casey she will get out of this. I think c and g want to see casey but I don;t think she wants to see them. casey don;t love them anymore than she loved Caylee.jmho


I can almost see her yanking Caylee by the arm and pulling her out of the house on that night of the argument. Did she terrorize that baby before killing her? Did she scream and shout obscenities at her? My mind is filled with so many horrific images I can hardly bear it.

There might not be anything that would get Casey to tell the truth. If she is afraid to die, then maybe she would be willing to plea out. But it would depend on someone being able to tell her that, in no uncertain terms, she will die unless she confesses. Then perhaps Ms. Lyon wil be able to get the DP off the table and Casey will live. But who knows. Casey is also the type that could well go to the lethal injection chamber without saying a word. Miserable excuse for a human being. And that poor little dead baby. My heart breaks for little Caylee. No one seems to care about her in the midst of all of this.

[Unleashed]

I can almost see her yanking Caylee by the arm and pulling her out of the house on that night of the argument. Did she terrorize that baby before killing her? Did she scream and shout obscenities at her? My mind is filled with so many horrific images I can hardly bear it.

There might not be anything that would get Casey to tell the truth. If she is afraid to die, then maybe she would be willing to plea out. But it would depend on someone being able to tell her that, in no uncertain terms, she will die unless she confesses. Then perhaps Ms. Lyon wil be able to get the DP off the table and Casey will live. But who knows. Casey is also the type that could well go to the lethal injection chamber without saying a word. Miserable excuse for a human being. And that poor little dead baby. My heart breaks for little Caylee. No one seems to care about her in the midst of all of this.

EverMoth, I too have visualized that exact scene. I get more angry at the OC every time I do, it just breaks my heart to think what Caylee may have been subjected to.

I can see Casey going for her extended nap, basically thumbing her nose at everyone, saying "and now you'll NEVER know. :cursing:

jmo

[AMS]

:lol:

I have alerted the SPCFE. They will be visiting you shortly to remove all false eyelashes remaining in the home in order to prevent any further cruelty.

JMO

Maybe we should start a foundation....:wink:

imo

[EverMoth]

EverMoth, I too have visualized that exact scene. I get more angry at the OC every time I do, it just breaks my heart to think what Caylee may have been subjected to.

I can see Casey going for her extended nap, basically thumbing her nose at everyone, saying "and now you'll NEVER know. :cursing:

jmo

Yes, horrible horrible tragedy. Too bad FL doesn't do the electric chair. The needle seems to good of a punishment for her. LWOP might be a most fitting punishment but I've already talked a lot about that on this board. I just want to see her suffer - whatever it is that would make her suffer to the degree that Caylee angel suffered.

Monstrous woman. :flamemad:

[Unleashed]

Maybe we should start a foundation....:wink:

imo


Fundation, AMS. Fundation. :tonguewag:

JMO

[ttcRider]

Maybe we should start a foundation....:wink:

imo

A false eyelash rescue org. :lol:

[saywhat04]

A false eyelash rescue org. :lol:

We'll need to find some tiny stuffed bears with very long eyelashes to sell. I mean, give away. :sneaky:

[AMS]

We'll need to find some tiny stuffed bears with very long eyelashes to sell. I mean, give away. :sneaky:

Found the bear. We're in business :laugh:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Southern-Belle-Bear-With-Potpourri-Long-Eyelashes-Cute_W0QQitemZ390053568608QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ200 90521?IMSfp=TL090521181007r21267


imo

[Sandy001]

Good morning all. I just wonder if Casey was so much like her mother that the reason people put up with her was because she, too, was a domineering, manipulative, intimidating piece of work.
Maybe it was easier (and safer) to put up with her lies, stealing, etc. than to stand up to her. JMOO
I wonder if Casey's friend ignored her lying becuase of the stories of her "horrible" mother. Cindy does not appear to be very popular with Casey's friends. Casey was constantly lying about her home/work situation - agbout how her dad was treating her, her parent's health, etc. They could have just felt sorry for her. Whenever I hear stories about how HORRIBLE someone's life is, I have a tendency to run away from them. Few people have it as BAD as some people seem to paint.

[Sandy001]

Did Baez fail to properly notice DCasey as to that Motion for phone records? Or did DCasey just fail to appear when the Motion was argued? I expect that DCasey is going to stall, delay, delay, delay, just like he has done in giving a depo in the Civil Case. DCasey is very deep in hot water, and he knows it. I suspect that he'll be losing his PI license before this is all done. I think the Anthonys or Baez has thrown DC under the bus about that search he did in November. I strong suspect he is trying to hold his own against hte "Save Casey at all Costs" team.

[Sandy001]

That always troubled me...Amy has to be a little naive....I can not think of too many people that would buy that story...in fact I can not think of anyone....Yes, but Amy and Casey are very yound adults and do not benefit from trhe wisdom of age. It might have just been easier to buy the excuse than to dig deeper into it.

[saywhat04]

Found the bear. We're in business :laugh:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Southern-Belle-Bear-With-Potpourri-Long-Eyelashes-Cute_W0QQitemZ390053568608QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ200 90521?IMSfp=TL090521181007r21267


imo

Perfect! :thumbsup:

[jammies]

That always troubled me...Amy has to be a little naive....I can not think of too many people that would buy that story...in fact I can not think of anyone....


Seems the friendships Casey had were all based on partying and hooking up with "boys". All fake and superficial. IMO, Amy was "prey" for Casey. She saw that Amy was naive and vulnerable and used those characteristics to her advantage.

[martha]

I have a gs that is 16 and a gd that is 18 and I sit and listen to them talk and tell about their friends and what they say and I try to tell them not to believe every thing they tell them so of the things I can tell or not the truth. Young people want to believe their friends. I can see the difference in the 16 and the 18 year old and how they talk and what they believe. Casey;s friends or people she run around with or older and they prob.knew she was lying but just did not say anythig to her. casey did not stay with the same people very long anyway.jmho

[TunaMelt]

I think the Anthonys or Baez has thrown DC under the bus about that search he did in November. I strong suspect he is trying to hold his own against hte "Save Casey at all Costs" team.

My bet is that Dominic Casey could throw Cindy Anthony under the bus -- but not without incriminating himself.

[GIGI4256]

Terror in the family is on LMN right now. Reminds me of the As. JMO

[Unleashed]

My bet is that Dominic Casey could throw Cindy Anthony under the bus -- but not without incriminating himself.

I'm going to ask about immunity again. If he is subpoenaed to testifty, does he receive immunity?

jmo

[CelticDawn]

My bet is that Dominic Casey could throw Cindy Anthony under the bus -- but not without incriminating himself.

I still think that they FOUND caylees body...

Yes, as despicable and lowdown and just plain evil as that sounds....I think that they were VIDEOING to try and "PROVE" that there was NO BODY at that scene at that time....Reason?....to be able to say to a jury that SOMEONE ELSE PUT THE BODY THERE...

They are bad bad sick sick people....and would have gone with that ruse had they not been outed.

[AMS]

Casey Anthony: Jose Baez casting new doubts on meter reader

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-jose-baez-casting-new-doubts-on-meter-reader.html


Don't know if this has been posted or not.

imo

[farrahrani]

I still think that they FOUND caylees body...

Yes, as despicable and lowdown and just plain evil as that sounds....I think that they were VIDEOING to try and "PROVE" that there was NO BODY at that scene at that time....Reason?....to be able to say to a jury that SOMEONE ELSE PUT THE BODY THERE...

They are bad bad sick sick people....and would have gone with that ruse had they not been outed.


Anything is possible at this point. It may have been that he was sent to tape the area in an effort to prove the body wasn't there and actually found it by accident. Since Casey is not exactly known for her honesty, I can see her telling Jose, 'OMG, IF I actually did that, do you think I'd be stupid enough to put her so close to home?'

If he found Cayless' remains by accident when sent to videotape empty area, it's possible he was legally intimidated by Biaz, and is trying to now find away around it. I dunno at this point. Or it could be there is nothing of significance in any of this, and that his (D. Casey) efforts to avoid contact with LE or the court are a smokescreen to distract from more relevent events with the case.

IMO

[sammy62]

Casey Anthony: Jose Baez casting new doubts on meter reader

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-jose-baez-casting-new-doubts-on-meter-reader.html


Don't know if this has been posted or not.

imo

:cursing: that just makes me soooo angry. In the Nevaha case, they are now trying to blame the fishermen who found his body. Whats wrong with people.

[Ckrdpast]

for some reason Kronk made my hinkey meter go off
heres a thought--

Baez "inferred" that someone was listening to him and casey while meeting at the jail (Richardson's depo) maybe She did confess to him and told him where the body was and someone was listening to them--remember the rumor that Roy's friend or girlfriend worked at the jail--and perhaps overheard something and told Roy where to search?

if that is proven perhaps by Kronk's telephone records, then the evidence gained (the body and everything that came with it) is tossed out...

without that evidence-would they still seek the death penalty?

and just how would "the court" handle that little piece of information?

just thinking about that makes my head spin!

[Sandy001]

for some reason Kronk made my hinkey meter go off
heres a thought--

Baez "inferred" that someone was listening to him and casey while meeting at the jail (Richardson's depo) maybe She did confess to him and told him where the body was and someone was listening to them--remember the rumor that Roy's friend or girlfriend worked at the jail--and perhaps overheard something and told Roy where to search?

if that is proven perhaps by Kronk's telephone records, then the evidence gained (the body and everything that came with it) is tossed out...

without that evidence-would they still seek the death penalty?



and just how would "the court" handle that little piece of information?

just thinking about that makes my head spin!

Most atty/client meeting areas have no access for eavesdropping altho I am sure Baez will try to claim that. They meet behind closed doors - no opportunity to overhear anything. That doesn't preclude Baez from lying; it just makes him look like the whiner he is. Jails don't WANT to mess with the atty/client prifvilege. But, if Baez and KC were discussing anything in an unsecured area, all bets are off.

If the defense claims they were eavesdropped on, it would be Baez's problem to prove that. And, should Kronk have a g/f who works at the jail, Baez will have to prove that she was in that area at the same time that he was visiting Casey. I think that's too much work for Baez to do. He really does strike me as a very lazy man - expecting the prosecution to do the work for him. The Judge even told him to do his own work.

[Sandy001]

Martha, I feel the same way as you do. There is something about this particular case that provokes horrific anger in me.

I personally don't think the lawyers have a chance in he!! of getting Casey "off". If she is willing to take a plea deal then Ms. Lyon will be able to get the DP removed. But, imo, that is the only scenario I can see where anything would be removed from this case. The defense doesn't even know what to do with the case. They appear to be running in circles blowing smoke out of their azzes. JMO, but they seem confused, lacking of confidence. They remind me of the client they are trying to defend.

Ditto here

[AMS]

:cursing: that just makes me soooo angry. In the Nevaha case, they are now trying to blame the fishermen who found his body. Whats wrong with people.

Oh no!!! I had not heard that one. :cursing:


imo

[Sandy001]

I can almost see her yanking Caylee by the arm and pulling her out of the house on that night of the argument. Did she terrorize that baby before killing her? Did she scream and shout obscenities at her? My mind is filled with so many horrific images I can hardly bear it.

There might not be anything that would get Casey to tell the truth. If she is afraid to die, then maybe she would be willing to plea out. But it would depend on someone being able to tell her that, in no uncertain terms, she will die unless she confesses. Then perhaps Ms. Lyon wil be able to get the DP off the table and Casey will live. But who knows. Casey is also the type that could well go to the lethal injection chamber without saying a word. Miserable excuse for a human being. And that poor little dead baby. My heart breaks for little Caylee. No one seems to care about her in the midst of all of this.

IMO Casey doesn't believe that ANYONE would put her to death so she is not even entertaining that idea. She thinks she can fool anyone and she will be able to pull the wool over everyone's eyes including the jury. She has the same attitude that Scott Peterson had - too good looking to be put to death. No history of violence. Middle class person. Alleged good family. Yep, no way they will be put to death.

[desmom]

for some reason Kronk made my hinkey meter go off
heres a thought--

Baez "inferred" that someone was listening to him and casey while meeting at the jail (Richardson's depo) maybe She did confess to him and told him where the body was and someone was listening to them--remember the rumor that Roy's friend or girlfriend worked at the jail--and perhaps overheard something and told Roy where to search?

if that is proven perhaps by Kronk's telephone records, then the evidence gained (the body and everything that came with it) is tossed out...

without that evidence-would they still seek the death penalty?

and just how would "the court" handle that little piece of information?

just thinking about that makes my head spin!

JB asked Richardson, "So it never got back to you, either early on in July and any time from when Ms. Anthony was first incarcerated until today, that I had voiced concerns about clicking in - - the intercom clicking in the jail?"

IF JB was so darn concern with clicking noises on the intercom, why the heck did he not put it in writing? He has no problems writing motions, why didn't he write a letter documenting the date and times of these clicking incidents?

As for Kronk...if someone did tell him that is where the body was, why did he wait from until December to return to that area?

I think if anyone had a heads up as to where the body was, it was Dominic Casey. I want to know what Dominic wrote in his complaint to the FL bar regarding JB. Now that will be an interesting read....imo

ETA ~ gotta shut down. power went off and I am running on auxiliary back-up. Hopefully I will be able to check in later.

[Unleashed]

for some reason Kronk made my hinkey meter go off
heres a thought--

Baez "inferred" that someone was listening to him and casey while meeting at the jail (Richardson's depo) maybe She did confess to him and told him where the body was and someone was listening to them--remember the rumor that Roy's friend or girlfriend worked at the jail--and perhaps overheard something and told Roy where to search?

if that is proven perhaps by Kronk's telephone records, then the evidence gained (the body and everything that came with it) is tossed out...

without that evidence-would they still seek the death penalty?

and just how would "the court" handle that little piece of information?

just thinking about that makes my head spin!


I'm only going to guess here.

I believe the evidence that caused the DP to be put back on the table came directly from the body. (sorry, Caylee). The heart sticker, blanket, laundry bag, garbage bags, duct tape, possible fingerprints, everything. No body = none of that evidence is admissible.

However, the hair with the death band, IMO concludes Caylee was in the trunk dead. No question in my mind.

Now to prove who killed her and put her there.

Everybody stand back, the bus is coming.

ALL JMO

[Sandy001]

JB asked Richardson, "So it never got back to you, either early on in July and any time from when Ms. Anthony was first incarcerated until today, that I had voiced concerns about clicking in - - the intercom clicking in the jail?"

IMO a sneaky attempt to get into the depo what Baez wants out in the public, nothing more.

IF JB was so darn concern with clicking noises on the intercom, why the heck did he not put it in writing? He has no problems writing motions, why didn't he write a letter documenting the date and times of these clicking incidents?

There are avenues in which to pursue this within the jail hierarchy. Why did Baez never address this. Also, has any other lawyer ever complained about these "clicking" sounds from the intercom? I doubt there was any clicking sound at all - just more smokescreen by the defense

As for Kronk...if someone did tell him that is where the body was, why did he wait from until December to return to that area?

For sure. If Kronk was so worried about it, why did he not go there on his own rather than wait until he was reassigned to that area. It's pretty clear he didn't think it was any big deal. Then, in December, he looked mroe closely at it

I think if anyone had a heads up as to where the body was, it was Dominic Casey. I want to know what Dominic wrote in his complaint to the FL bar regarding JB. Now that will be an interesting read....imo

ETA ~ gotta shut down. power went off and I am running on auxiliary back-up. Hopefully I will be able to check in later.


Green are my comments.

[girlspell]

IMO Casey doesn't believe that ANYONE would put her to death so she is not even entertaining that idea. She thinks she can fool anyone and she will be able to pull the wool over everyone's eyes including the jury. She has the same attitude that Scott Peterson had - too good looking to be put to death. No history of violence. Middle class person. Alleged good family. Yep, no way they will be put to death.

I agree. But I don't think she will get the DP. Nobody even knows how Carylee died. Nobody knows if it was an accident or planned. So right there, no DP. The only reason it was put up was to try and get a plea deal out of her. She didn't bite. We were darn lucky with Peterson. That quirky jury of his just went for it. A fluke. Not going to happen again. A jury with a lot of sense will convict her, but if were lucky, life sentence.

[enigma™]

It is my belief that 31 days will remove any and all reasonable doubt. Casey is never going to see the great outdoors again, and justly so. What she did to that beautiful child, well I have no words. She will be punished, here on earth and in the great beyond.

[Sandy001]

I'm only going to guess here.

I believe the evidence that caused the DP to be put back on the table came directly from the body. (sorry, Caylee). The heart sticker, blanket, laundry bag, garbage bags, duct tape, possible fingerprints, everything. No body = none of that evidence is admissible.

However, the hair with the death band, IMO concludes Caylee was in the trunk dead. No question in my mind.

Now to prove who killed her and put her there.

Everybody stand back, the bus is coming.

ALL JMO

The BIG question is - who puts duct tape on the mouth of an person who is still dead? Who puts a heart sticker on duct tape anyway.
Clearly there is no reason to put duct tape on a dead body.

You know I don't CARE if Henry Lee found 7,000 hairs in the trunk. It only takes one hair with a death band on it to show death. Maybe KC put Caylee in the trunk to sleep when she was partying or when she had no sitter. There was a death band on ONE hair and the child turned up dead. This is not rocket science. She could have been put in the hair multiple times prior to the time she was in there dead.

OR Henry Lee is trying to manufacture evidence once again. How the mighty have fallen.

[djmsmom]

Most atty/client meeting areas have no access for eavesdropping altho I am sure Baez will try to claim that. They meet behind closed doors - no opportunity to overhear anything. That doesn't preclude Baez from lying; it just makes him look like the whiner he is. Jails don't WANT to mess with the atty/client prifvilege. But, if Baez and KC were discussing anything in an unsecured area, all bets are off.

If the defense claims they were eavesdropped on, it would be Baez's problem to prove that. And, should Kronk have a g/f who works at the jail, Baez will have to prove that she was in that area at the same time that he was visiting Casey. I think that's too much work for Baez to do. He really does strike me as a very lazy man - expecting the prosecution to do the work for him. The Judge even told him to do his own work.
But if JB tries to say that he and Casey was overheard, then he would have to admit that casey did kill Caylee and that she was the one who put the body there. I thought the defence couldn't defend a client who they know is guilty.

[coffee1950j]

Anyone watching E! right now?

They are showing the 15 most notorious women. Among them are Susan Smith, Karla Faye Tucker, Betty Broderick, etc. and guess who is #1?

CMA of course!

They are up to #4 so if you tune in now you will catch the ending.

[Sandy001]

I agree. But I don't think she will get the DP. Nobody even knows how Carylee died. Nobody knows if it was an accident or planned. So right there, no DP. The only reason it was put up was to try and get a plea deal out of her. She didn't bite. We were darn lucky with Peterson. That quirky jury of his just went for it. A fluke. Not going to happen again. A jury with a lot of sense will convict her, but if were lucky, life sentence. True, but we do know several things. we KNOW that Caylee did not die of natural causes - she wasn't sick. There are only four methods of death - natural, accidental, suicide and homicide. Suicide is out due to KC's ago. The only way she won't get the death penalty is if she pleads accidental and she and the defense have been denying accidental from day one. And, without ANY evidence of an accident, the jury will not be instructed in manslaughter. Geragos TRIED to get that in Scott's trial, but the Judge pointed out that NOTHING was there to show it was an accident.

And then, again, WHO PUTS DUCT TAPE OVER THE MOUTH OF A DEAD CHILD????? Plus there's that pesky 31 days.

I disagree that Peterson had a quirky jury. He had a jury that listened to the evidence and decided accordingly. Juries are not as stupid as these arrogant defendents and lawyers think they are. jmo

[Ckrdpast]

But if JB tries to say that he and Casey was overheard, then he would have to admit that casey did kill Caylee and that she was the one who put the body there. I thought the defence couldn't defend a client who they know is guilty.

everyone is entitled to a defense-- i think most defense attorneys dont want to know

[martha]

Anyone watching E! right now?

They are showing the 15 most notorious women. Among them are Susan Smith, Karla Faye Tucker, Betty Broderick, etc. and guess who is #1?

CMA of course!

They are up to #4 so if you tune in now you will catch the ending.Oh I did not see that but that is great. I am glad she is no 1 on that list. jmho

[martha]

The BIG question is - who puts duct tape on the mouth of an person who is still dead? Who puts a heart sticker on duct tape anyway.
Clearly there is no reason to put duct tape on a dead body.

You know I don't CARE if Henry Lee found 7,000 hairs in the trunk. It only takes one hair with a death band on it to show death. Maybe KC put Caylee in the trunk to sleep when she was partying or when she had no sitter. There was a death band on ONE hair and the child turned up dead. This is not rocket science. She could have been put in the hair multiple times prior to the time she was in there dead.

OR Henry Lee is trying to manufacture evidence once again. How the mighty have fallen.ITA with you and henry lee is a joke. jmho

[CelticDawn]

It is my belief that 31 days will remove any and all reasonable doubt. Casey is never going to see the great outdoors again, and justly so. What she did to that beautiful child, well I have no words. She will be punished, here on earth and in the great beyond.

I HOPE the jury is reasonable...

VERY Special place in hell for that one


IMO

[CelticDawn]

ITA with you and henry lee is a joke. jmho

Lee has proved himself to be a conniving charlitan in MY book.....I just cant help but think that since he got CAUGHT in the Spectr case.....what DIDNT he get caught doing.....Those are courts of law and active investigations and justice as well as peoples lives are at stake and LYING on the part of "expert' and officers of the court has NO PLACE THERE.

[farrahrani]

I agree. But I don't think she will get the DP. Nobody even knows how Carylee died. Nobody knows if it was an accident or planned. So right there, no DP. The only reason it was put up was to try and get a plea deal out of her. She didn't bite. We were darn lucky with Peterson. That quirky jury of his just went for it. A fluke. Not going to happen again. A jury with a lot of sense will convict her, but if were lucky, life sentence.


Bolding is mine.

That's rather unusual reasoning. And the baby's name was CAYLEE.

It can't be an accident, it would have been reported. None of these crazy lies spanning over a YEAR'S time. In this past year, the OC would have come out with a story of an accident, if it meant saving her own azz.

It was put up, and you're right, she didn't bite. Now that there is a body, and no way for the defense to cast doubt on the actual demise of the victimized child, the DP is back up. The ME's reasoning on the death of such a small child usually runs like this:

No identifiable injuries, no previous reported medical conditions, body abandoned in secluded area = homicide. (suicide automatically ruled out as the victim was a two year old baby)

Last person to see her alive, her momster. That is reason enough to put the DP on the table. Casey has nothing left to bargain with. She had the chance to reveal the baby's location for a burial and brushed it off. She has nothing to offer the pros. If Lyons can get her to change her story in time, or make a deal to plead guilty for LWOP, that is the ONLY way she will avoid DP.

[Chardonnay]

Am I the only one here that can watch the jailhouse videos over and over and over? NG is a repeat of the Ants and the OC at the jail.. I can pick up on so much body language each time. I've read and seen, that when a person is lying, they look to their left a lot. I notice it with OC, and I remember Scott Peterson doing it while being interviewd by Diane Sawyer in his house.

[Alone]

It is my belief that 31 days will remove any and all reasonable doubt. Casey is never going to see the great outdoors again, and justly so. What she did to that beautiful child, well I have no words. She will be punished, here on earth and in the great beyond.

But it wasn't 31 days, was it?

[saywhat04]

Am I the only one here that can watch the jailhouse videos over and over and over? NG is a repeat of the Ants and the OC at the jail.. I can pick up on so much body language each time. I've read and seen, that when a person is lying, they look to their left a lot. I notice it with OC, and I remember Scott Peterson doing it while being interviewd by Diane Sawyer in his house.

I wasn't able to watch them all the way through even once, and when I see the "highlights" come up on NG, I mute the TV. I really can't stand to hear or watch any of the Anthonys. I read their statements, interviews, depos whenever possible rather than watch them. They make me want to throw something. I sit and yell at the TV or my laptop monitor. It ain't healthy for me. :mad:

[msgatorslayer]

I agree. But I don't think she will get the DP. Nobody even knows how Carylee died. Nobody knows if it was an accident or planned. So right there, no DP. The only reason it was put up was to try and get a plea deal out of her. She didn't bite. We were darn lucky with Peterson. That quirky jury of his just went for it. A fluke. Not going to happen again. A jury with a lot of sense will convict her, but if were lucky, life sentence.

Caylee didn't die naturally. If an accident happened, most people would call 911 to get help in trying to save the life of their child. Not play hide and seek with the body before finally double bagging it and dropping it off in the woods to be forgotten about.

COD is not needed to know that Caylee was murdered. I think the state can and will use Casey's puter searches for 'missing children', 'chloroform', and 'neck breaking' to show it was premeditated.

Florida is the easiest state to get a DP sentence in. Only the majority of the jurors need to vote for it. If 7 of the 12 think Casey should die for her crimes against her Daughter, then she will.

Evening, everyone. Where is everyone? I notice it has been very slow here today!!

[msgatorslayer]

Anyone watching E! right now?

They are showing the 15 most notorious women. Among them are Susan Smith, Karla Faye Tucker, Betty Broderick, etc. and guess who is #1?

CMA of course!

They are up to #4 so if you tune in now you will catch the ending.

I just checked Youtube and someone has been uploading them but they haven't gotten them all up yet. Part 5 is the last one available and it is #11 on the list - Mary Winkler.

[bchand]

Anyone watching E! right now?

They are showing the 15 most notorious women. Among them are Susan Smith, Karla Faye Tucker, Betty Broderick, etc. and guess who is #1?

CMA of course!

They are up to #4 so if you tune in now you will catch the ending.

I didn't see it but I'll bet Cindy is so jealous !!!

[bchand]

I just checked Youtube and someone has been uploading them but they haven't gotten them all up yet. Part 5 is the last one available and it is #11 on the list - Mary Winkler.

This is up now - about Casey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Oi8X1Zug0

[crimeq]

Thank you Dick Tracy. :patriot:




____________________________________


One year ago today - June 6, 2008

Amy totals her car. Casey told Amy “her boy from work sent her to Fusion to check on her daughter”. Page 11 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642949/Huizenga-Amy---Statement

Text Messages: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy > Casey: Got a shift.

Casey > Amy 06/06 9:09 p.m.: What time do you get off tonight?

Amy > Casey: Hopefully a little after 10.

Casey > Amy 06/06 9:46 p.m.: I came into work. Huge mistake. I tried to help setup for an event and got roped into staying a few hours.

Amy > Casey: Good thing I worked then! When are you done?

Amy > Casey: Done now.

Amy > Casey: I think I’m just going to head downtown. Lemme know when you get out.

Ricardo cooked. Casey was coming for dinner. She was late, he kept dinner warm. She canceled because she said she had to work. Later, Ricardo saw photos on myspace of her at Fusians. She said she had never been there, but later said she was there looking for her bosses daughter. Page 8 – 9 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement

Someone posted at one time that Peter Benevides has a daughter Casey's age. Remember there's a "little bit" of truth in Casey's lies.

I still think she was doing some kind of work that was shady, and had the Universal story as a cover-up. She spent too much time and energy talking about "work" to not actually have some kind of job, I think. And Peter Benevides putting up the reward money is just too strange, IMO. I think they were connected in some way.

[enigma™]

But it wasn't 31 days, was it?


Indeed it was - 31 days before Caylee was reported to be missing.

[sammy62]

Am I the only one here that can watch the jailhouse videos over and over and over? NG is a repeat of the Ants and the OC at the jail.. I can pick up on so much body language each time. I've read and seen, that when a person is lying, they look to their left a lot. I notice it with OC, and I remember Scott Peterson doing it while being interviewd by Diane Sawyer in his house.

I watch all the videos over and over. Every time I listen to the interviews I learn something new. I even listen to the depos over again.

I'm a blogger with no life...but not a maggot.:ohmy:

[MrsHudson]

I believe George fancies himself as crafty. I believe he is a covert manipulator. I believe he is always trying to work people, play them. I do not by it, I do not trust him, at all. A snake in the grass imo.

He is a manipulator. I think he's good at laying guilt trips. Ever notice that when he feels cornered he accuses people of "not caring" about him? He told this to Morgan and the media, "You don't care about me or my wife...you don't care about my grand daugher." Actually I don't care about him but so what. Why would a grown man whine about strangers not "caring" about him?" I can just imagine him using that line on Cindy and Casey, "you don't care about me." Yep George has his own ways of manipulating people.

[msgatorslayer]

This is up now - about Casey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Oi8X1Zug0

TY - Wonder if the Anthony's have watched it, lol. For their Daughter to not only be linked with all those other women but to come out being #1.

Mr. Gator looked over and seen what I was watching. He says he going to have me arrested for stalking CMA. :tongueside:

[Unleashed]

I didn't see it but I'll bet Cindy is so jealous !!!

I would think she'd be so proud. Her daughter is NUMBER 1!!!!


MOO

[Alone]

Indeed it was - 31 days before Caylee was reported to be missing.

Iirc and imo, the first police reports said that Casey claimed Caylee was missing since June 9th, and that the date was changed by Cindy because of the Father's Day video?

Imo, the June 15th date is a lie promoted by the Anthonys. I believe that the police reports are correct in stating the June 9th date was the first date given.

I mean no offense, but I feel that anyone that goes along with the June 15th day is helping advance a major lie and possibly improve Casey's case. I think that everyone that wants justice for Caylee should reject this lie, and should stand firm on the original date given by the Anthonys, June 9th.

[Chardonnay]

I watch all the videos over and over. Every time I listen to the interviews I learn something new. I even listen to the depos over again.

I'm a blogger with no life...but not a maggot.:ohmy:

What is our obsession Sammy? I need to find a FLB support group that only discusses the Caylee board. I may not post every day, but I read here almost 16/7.... I guess I'm considered a Caylee Blogger-Alholic.

[sammy62]

What is our obsession Sammy? I need to find a FLB support group that only discusses the Caylee board. I may not post every day, but I read here almost 16/7.... I guess I'm considered a Caylee Blogger-Alholic.

flb? not sure what that is?

[101Spots]

Iirc and imo, the first police reports said that Casey claimed Caylee was missing since June 9th, and that the date was changed by Cindy because of the Father's Day video?

Imo, the June 15th date is a lie promoted by the Anthonys. I believe that the police reports are correct in stating the June 9th date was the first date given.

I mean no offense, but I feel that anyone that goes along with the June 15th day is helping advance a major lie and possibly improve Casey's case. I think that everyone that wants justice for Caylee should reject this lie, and should stand firm on the original date given by the Anthonys, June 9th.

OK, I'll bite. How do you explain the confirmed-by-witnesses-and-LE video tape of Caylee with the great grandfather at the LTC home on June 15th if she went missing on the 9th?

I think Casey pulled several away-overnights starting on the 9th, which inspired the original statements that Caylee was "gone" since the 9th. However, there is visual evidence she was alive in Cindy's care on the 15th.

[Alone]

OK, I'll bite. How do you explain the confirmed-by-witnesses-and-LE video tape of Caylee with the great grandfather at the LTC home on June 15th if she went missing on the 9th?

I think Casey pulled several away-overnights starting on the 9th, which inspired the original statements that Caylee was "gone" since the 9th. However, there is visual evidence she was alive in Cindy's care on the 15th.


As usual, I made myself as clear as mud. So I'll respectfully clarify myself and go back into lurking.

What I was trying to say, imo, was that any time anyone says that Caylee was missing after June 15th that I feel they also need to stand strongly on the point that Casey first claimed that Caylee disappeared on the 9th.

Yet for some reason, many people seem to overlook this integral part of the case. I mean, the Anthonys LIED about the date that Caylee disappeared and are seemingly getting away with it.

I agree that Caylee was filmed on Father's Day, but I also want to always hold all the Anthonys responsible for this major cover-up.

If we go by the very first police reports, the Anthonys claimed no one had seen Caylee since June 9th. Although she was definitely alive after that date, it seems that so many people have forgotten this lie and are letting everyone forget that the Anthonys changed the date on everyone once the video came to light.

[crimeq]

[QUOTE=crimeq;13174967]Someone posted at one time that Peter Benevides has a daughter Casey's age. Remember there's a "little bit" of truth in Casey's lies.

I still think she was doing some kind of work that was shady, and had the Universal story as a cover-up. She spent too much time and energy talking about "work" to not actually have some kind of job, I think. And Peter Benevides putting up the reward money is just too strange, IMO. I think they were connected in some way.[/QUOTE)


I don't know if PB has a daughter but it is possibility. I believe his son was a soccer star at the Uof Rhode Island and is about the same age as Lee. PB's ex partner has a daughter the same age as Casey.

PB daughter's wedding photo was posted online. She is Casey's age.

[101Spots]

As usual, I made myself as clear as mud. So I'll respectfully clarify myself and go back into lurking.

What I was trying to say, imo, was that any time anyone says that Caylee was missing after June 15th that I feel they also need to stand strongly on the point that Casey first claimed that Caylee disappeared on the 9th.

Yet for some reason, many people seem to overlook this integral part of the case. I mean, the Anthonys LIED about the date that Caylee disappeared and are seemingly getting away with it.

I agree that Caylee was filmed on Father's Day, but I also want to always hold all the Anthonys responsible for this major cover-up.

If we go by the very first police reports, the Anthonys claimed no one had seen Caylee since June 9th. Although she was definitely alive after that date, it seems that so many people have forgotten this lie and are letting everyone forget that the Anthonys changed the date on everyone once the video came to light.

There is evidence (Casey's texts and other testiphony) that as of the 9th, Casey took Caylee off and stayed at "friends" places that week (Ricardo? Please don't make me look it up.), rather than returning home. Even though she did allow Cindy to have Caylee on the 15th, I believe that this was the first and only time since the 9th that the family had seen Caylee. Hence the reason they all claimed the 8th/9th as the last they had seen Caylee.

Yes, they lied. But I think the *big* date for them was the 9th. Another fight? I don't know what set this off.

Curiouser and curiouser.......

[Chardonnay]

flb? not sure what that is?

Flat Lazy Blogger, as CA thinks we are.

[101Spots]

Flat Lazy Blogger, as CA thinks we are.

I know that's a typo, but it amused me greatly!

:biggrin:

[sammy62]

Flat Lazy Blogger, as CA thinks we are.

for my part she is right. but I'm not a maggot. lol

[Chardonnay]

I know that's a typo, but it amused me greatly!

:biggrin:

Oppps! LOL!

[Chardonnay]

for my part she is right. but I'm not a maggot. lol

I often wonder what names she called GA & OC in a fit of rage.

[101Spots]

I often wonder what names she called GA & OC in a fit of rage.

I don't find Cindy particularly creative. She'd probably say something like, "#$%^&," or $%^&*," possibly "!@#$#@#$%&*()."

[Chardonnay]

I don't find Cindy particularly creative. She'd probably say something like, "#$%^&," or $%^&*," possibly "!@#$#@#$%&*()."

Yup, I think you're right, with a few more #*$&@) !!! and #($)@_@": !! And a few maggots thrown in..

[kOOkie1]

I agree that the 31 days of not reporting Caylee missing is what is ultimately going to put Casey away. I just dont see how the defense will be able to explain that away. Who does that???..When you really get down to it.. she still was not the one that reported her missing.
IMO, even without any other evidence, that will be the thorn in their side.
I remember when I first heard about Caylee missing back in July and the whole Nanny story..it was the not being reported for 31 days that had me knowing Casey was involved. I knew something was not right. Once the Jury hears that..the rest of the goodies they get from the State will just be confirmation of guilt.
I do wonder though if she will get the DP:confused:..but, LWP is fine with me!!

[sammy62]

I don't find Cindy particularly creative. She'd probably say something like, "#$%^&," or $%^&*," possibly "!@#$#@#$%&*()."

:laugh: too funny:laugh:

[sammy62]

nite all. see you tomorrow:sleep:

[seeing_eye]

Flat Lazy Blogger, as CA thinks we are.

I'm a lazy blogger with no life, but I'm definitely NOT flat!! :laugh:

[*MoonRider*]

Why is it whenever I can't sleep (strong thunderstorms) this place is empty?

[seeing_eye]

Why is it whenever I can't sleep (strong thunderstorms) this place is empty?

I'm still here, but probably not for much longer.

[Amy]

I agree that the 31 days of not reporting Caylee missing is what is ultimately going to put Casey away. I just dont see how the defense will be able to explain that away. Who does that???..When you really get down to it.. she still was not the one that reported her missing.
IMO, even without any other evidence, that will be the thorn in their side.
I remember when I first heard about Caylee missing back in July and the whole Nanny story..it was the not being reported for 31 days that had me knowing Casey was involved. I knew something was not right. Once the Jury hears that..the rest of the goodies they get from the State will just be confirmation of guilt.
I do wonder though if she will get the DP:confused:..but, LWP is fine with me!!

I'd rather it be LWOP, I don't think she should ever be up for parole.

[Amy]

I wonder if Casey's friend ignored her lying becuase of the stories of her "horrible" mother. Cindy does not appear to be very popular with Casey's friends. Casey was constantly lying about her home/work situation - agbout how her dad was treating her, her parent's health, etc. They could have just felt sorry for her. Whenever I hear stories about how HORRIBLE someone's life is, I have a tendency to run away from them. Few people have it as BAD as some people seem to paint.

It's always interesting to hear "the rest of the story" ---what the other people in the life of a sob-story teller have to say about the same situations.

[kOOkie1]

I'd rather it be LWOP, I don't think she should ever be up for parole.

OOPs..thats what I meant as well!!!...I def. dont want her to seee the light of day..ever!

[Amy]

Casey Anthony: Jose Baez casting new doubts on meter reader

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-jose-baez-casting-new-doubts-on-meter-reader.html


Don't know if this has been posted or not.

imo

Guess that's what defense attorneys are paid to do. Wonder how much Jose is getting paid?

But, as in another case, where evidently on some message board, or possibly in the papers' comment sections where the person to discover the body is being burned @ the stake--people aren't going to want to alert authorities about bodies that are found. Who wants to be slung thru the mud and have people make horrible accusations about you? And then have some attorney add to the rumors and innuendos and insults by trying to throw you under his client's bus?

Now I want to throw up.

[Amy]

Same here!:thumbsup:

I used to have a set of neighbors that lived on drama. So glad I don't like next to them anymore. It's a way of life for some. If nothing is going on, they're bored.

My kids' niece is the same way. If she doesn't have everyone in her world in an uproar, she is slacking!!! And, she could give the A's a really good run for their money on the lying thing!!! :cursing: Fortunately, so far, her babies are still alive and well.

[Amy]

Caylee Anthony - The Latest News On The Case

Here's a good summary of the week if anyone is just checking in.

http://www.bloggernews.net/121153


imo

Thanks for the link.

What I find interesting is that, except for posters on message boards, no one seems to connect Lois Peters to previous conflict w/the A's. I haven't read any news articles where any of this is mentioned. Maybe only message board posters think the link betwixt the parties is interesting. Heck, maybe I'm the only one, lol.

[Amy]

I wish I knew more about the law regarding PI/client confidentiality. My gut feeling tells me it doesn't exist in this case. It's not like a physician or a lawyer. But what could phone records reveal anyway? It wouldn't be out of the norm for him to be placing and receiving calls from anyone involved in the case. But Baez's comment about not calling LE if the body is found seems very strange.

Evidently there is something called "work product" which is what a PI would have for a lawyer who hired him. The problem I see here is that the snooping around by D Casey was in December. @ the time this came out, Baez was hollering how this was a work product and D Casey was obligated to keep his mouth shut (paraphrasing.) But, records showed that the contract between Baez and D Casey expired around Oct 1 (don't recall the exact date) and D Casey evidently was hired by the A's in January? However it is, whatever he was doing or found could not be work product for Baez as their contract was over. And, it was before the A's hired him? And, I don't know if regular persons can have a work product privilege anyway?

[kOOkie1]

Guess that's what defense attorneys are paid to do. Wonder how much Jose is getting paid?

But, as in another case, where evidently on some message board, or possibly in the papers' comment sections where the person to discover the body is being burned @ the stake--people aren't going to want to alert authorities about bodies that are found. Who wants to be slung thru the mud and have people make horrible accusations about you? And then have some attorney add to the rumors and innuendos and insults by trying to throw you under his client's bus?

Now I want to throw up.

I know..it's disgusting and down-right a sinful-shame. I cannot even imagine finding the body of a child and how I would be forever changed.
How terrible it is that some are never found and laid to proper rest..how tormented their family must stay:(
Baez has made Kronk appear suspicious since the beginning..
I am grateful Kronk was persistent! If this spot was a sorta "hang-out" for young people..can you imagine if it had been one of them that found a dead child:crying:

[5swab5]

He is a manipulator. I think he's good at laying guilt trips. Ever notice that when he feels cornered he accuses people of "not caring" about him? He told this to Morgan and the media, "You don't care about me or my wife...you don't care about my grand daugher." Actually I don't care about him but so what. Why would a grown man whine about strangers not "caring" about him?" I can just imagine him using that line on Cindy and Casey, "you don't care about me." Yep George has his own ways of manipulating people.

I almost said that George is his own worst enemy.
But I thought better of it.

He is "sleeping with the enemy". MOO

[Amy]

Yes, exactly! We all observed that. There was no surprise. And I wonder what would have happened had Mr. Casey actually found the body when he was poking around. What would they have done with it? If JB instructed him not to call LE what was he planning to do with the body? Move it so it wouldn't be found?

So, Mr. Casey filed a complaint against JB for telling him not to call LE if a body was discovered. Why isn't this signficant to LE? I would think it would be explosive since it clearly shows that the defense, et al, knew she was dead and knew where she was dumped. I don't understand why much more hasn't been made of this.

IMO, just because we haven't heard a lot from LE and the prosecution doesn't mean they didn't take notice. They are holding stuff pretty much close to the vest all along, and I don't think they have released some of the very incriminating evidence they have in the doc dumps. Maybe we will hear how big a deal of this was to the case during the trial.

[Dick Tracy]

IMO, just because we haven't heard a lot from LE and the prosecution doesn't mean they didn't take notice. They are holding stuff pretty much close to the vest all along, and I don't think they have released some of the very incriminating evidence they have in the doc dumps. Maybe we will hear how big a deal of this was to the case during the trial.

Hi Amy,

I've been saying that all along. I think they have a 100% link with forensic evidence tying the car to the body, or Casey to the crime scene. ITA that they don't have to play all their cards all at once.

[Amy]

I don't attach much meaning into Cindy's "performance" at the last court hearing. Remember, that she just in the days prior, spoke at a vigil for Haliegh....perhaps Cindy was trying out some of the emotions that she saw them exhibiting. IMO, it was just another one of Cindy's poor performances, and I wasn't buying any of it.

I doubt very much that the Defense attorneys are speaking with the Anthonys about anything, unless it is through their attorney Conway.

I don't know how much communication a lawyer would have to have w/parents who foot his bill for the defense of their child, but for sure they have to know up front that the lawyer is defending the defendant, and the only one the lawyer has to consider is the defendant. Sometimes I have even seen where the lawyer will go so far as to say something to the effect that, if the parents are guilty of anything, too bad for them, if that would help his client.

But, since the A's aren't the ones footing the bill, I guess, just because they are his client's parents, Baez and the defense team would not have any obligation to keep the A's up on anything they are doing and thinking. But, some one on the team might be "nice enough" to update them on things like, what having AL on the team could mean.

[kOOkie1]

Hi Amy,

I've been saying that all along. I think they have a 100% link with forensic evidence tying the car to the body, or Casey to the crime scene. ITA that they don't have to play all their cards all at once.

I agree..
They have not reporting her daughter missing for 31 days..decomp tying the body to the car Casey was driving..no babysitter..evidence tying items from the home to the items found with her body.
I really dont see how the defense can even raise any reasonable doubt.

[5swab5]

Hi Amy,

I've been saying that all along. I think they have a 100% link with forensic evidence tying the car to the body, or Casey to the crime scene. ITA that they don't have to play all their cards all at once.


I agree!

The ONLY thing the defense has in their back pocket is that tired old adage..."tried in the press". Guess what, IF true...???...George and Cindy are Casey's worst nightmare.

I ask you...WHERE are the champions for that poor baby, except on the internet? The GMom & GPop from he!! saw to it that THOSE people were excluded from Caylee's Memorial. THAT should have been the ONE day for Caylee. JUST CayLee! But NO. They couldn't even do that!

:beer: chitlins: :beer: .........Have one on me Casey. I know you are hating that you look worse everyday, but your "mom" is looking better. MOO

KARMA!!!!

[Amy]

I have to ask myself, Is there another side to their story. I am confused because Casey and Cindy both have the same one.:confused: I am looking forward to the closet to be open and the moth balls rolling out. "6" disturbance calls within a short period of time at the Anthony home and not once a report was filed. That in itself is strange. You would think if these officers were called out as many times as they were, they clearly knew "the Anthony's."
They usually get tired and tell people like this, if they get any more calls, someones going to jail.
I sure would like to know what their neighbors know about them.
jmo

Cindy's lies seem to be based on what Casey told her. Mostly, @ first, she was saying "Casey said this" "Casey told me that..." type of thing. What Casey has to say hasn't been public knowledge (and only to her attorney) since the LE interviews, so I would guess Cindy is still going on the original lies-about work, about nanny, etc etc etc.

[5swab5]

Cindy's lies seem to be based on what Casey told her. Mostly, @ first, she was saying "Casey said this" "Casey told me that..." type of thing. What Casey has to say hasn't been public knowledge (and only to her attorney) since the LE interviews, so I would guess Cindy is still going on the original lies-about work, about nanny, etc etc etc.

At the very least Cindy needs to give up the line about Casey was working. Cindy may have known that Casey blew her money up in smoke for a long time.....but to even try to fake out people into believing that Casey ever hit a lick at a snake...is insulting our intelligence.

We ALL know Casey didn't have A job, now Cindy is trying to make it sound like that she had TWO. We are not idiots, neither are jurors.

Sometimes...when you have an idiot as a kid, you just cut your losses and move on. Lord knows the "Anthonys" are MEGA-BUCKS better off after Caylee's murder, than they were before. I fully expect them to prosper even more, before this is all said and done.

SHAME ON THEM!

MOO

[Dick Tracy]

Cindy's lies seem to be based on what Casey told her. Mostly, @ first, she was saying "Casey said this" "Casey told me that..." type of thing. What Casey has to say hasn't been public knowledge (and only to her attorney) since the LE interviews, so I would guess Cindy is still going on the original lies-about work, about nanny, etc etc etc.

Again, I agree also with your statement. At first, other than the dreadful smell coming from the car, they were totally in the dark about what had happened to Caylee and I believe that they were trying very hard to believe everything that Casey had to say.

I say that only because I've re-watched the initial jailhouse visit with Cindy and George and the OC. In that visit, Cindy is doing her best to pull information out of Casey, that will get Caylee back. You can tell she's trying to be gentle and at the same time being very direct with Casey. I think they truly believed that there was a ZFG and Caylee was with her.

How soon after did Cindy realize what had happened and went into full coverup mode?

[Dick Tracy]

I agree..
They have not reporting her daughter missing for 31 days..decomp tying the body to the car Casey was driving..no babysitter..evidence tying items from the home to the items found with her body.
I really dont see how the defense can even raise any reasonable doubt.

Me neither. But they'll try. They'll do all the usual things - sloppy police work, the Orange County Jail stuff, challenge the forensics, bring in their own expert witnesses.

I believe that in the end, Linda Burdick and the state of Florida will find her guilty of Murder in the first degree, and justic will be served for Caylee finally.

[Dick Tracy]

Cindy is one big liar face from day one to date. She's trying to save her Casey's azz. In the beginning she was sharing everything that Casey was telling her which made no sense to me. Story changed 3 times in one single interview and she was trying to blend all 3 stories together and insisted it made sense to her. She even went as far as saying she (Cindy) is absolutely not a violent person. On father's day when she and Casey had that huge fight, she actually tried to choke Casey.:rolleyes:
It appeared to me she was really trying to help them in the beginning. Thereafter, I think she knew these stories were all lies so she chose to start lying for Casey. The car being taken. The car smelling like a damn dead body was in it. The old pizza made it smell that way. What a great mother Casey was an on and on.
The depo was atrocious and frankly she really made an azz out of herself. Cindy and George continue making fools out of themselves and no one is saying a word to them. WHY is that.
jmo

I agree. She's trying to save her kids butt. And she's doing everything she can to do so, including lying if necessary. But in the beginning, other than the smell in the car, they somewhat believed this hogwash story that Casey had spun. I say somewhat, because I think Cindy had her doubts, but stuck by the story Casey was telling.

[5swab5]

I agree. She's trying to save her kids butt. And she's doing everything she can to do so, including lying if necessary. But in the beginning, other than the smell in the car, they somewhat believed this hogwash story that Casey had spun. I say somewhat, because I think Cindy had her doubts, but stuck by the story Casey was telling.



IF Cindy believed Casey...in the beginning...or otherwise...

Why did Cindy launder the pants out of the "dead body car"?

Why did Cindy not give up Caylee's hairbrush, but substitute another?

Unless I am crazy........Cindy knew from JUMP STREET! MOO

[Dick Tracy]

IF Cindy believed Casey...in the beginning...or otherwise...

Why did Cindy launder the pants out of the "dead body car"?

Why did Cindy not give up Caylee's hairbrush, but substitute another?

Unless I am crazy........Cindy knew from JUMP STREET! MOO


Why did Cindy launder the pants? Because they smelled.
I am unsure of when the date is in regards to hairbrush evidence collection. Was it before the first jail house visit?

[desmom]

Good Morning All!

Wow only 5 pages of posts for yesterday. Maybe I should have started a weekend thread instead of a thread for Saturday.

One year ago today.......June 7, 2008

Amy moves into Ricardo’s. Casey was there. Page 11 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642949/Huizenga-Amy---Statement

Text messages between Casey and Amy: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy to Casey: I heart you.

Casey > Amy 06/07 5:19 a.m. You know I’m here.. always!

Amy to Casey: I hit a guardrail. Thank god I’m OK and I didn’t get a DUI. My car is f***ed. I’ll find out how bad in the morning. I think my nose bleed from the air bag. This bites.

Casey to Amy 06/07 5:19 a.m.: Hunny I’m glad you’re ok! Jesus. That message scared the crap out of me.

Casey to Amy: 06/07 5:19 a.m.: Hunny I’m glad you’re ok! Jesus. That message scared the crap out me me. [sent twice]

Amy to Casey: Please call and wake me up when you get up. I need to talk. I messed up real bad. I need my friend.

Amy to Casey: I love you.

Casey to Amy 06/07 5:20 a.m.: I love you too! I'm glad you’re ok!
KC AH Thanks. Go back to sleep. I’ll talk to you tom. I’m pretty sure I’m fine. I’ll know when I wake up. Hopefully I can fix this tom.

Casey and Caylee spend the night at Ricardo’s. They arrived at 11:00 p.m. page 10 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement

Cindy and George were at the beach per part 1 of Cindy’s FBI interview. http://www.wftv.com/video/18035355/index.html

[GossipGirl]

I'm so glad you put this up, I pop over here now and again but as I don't follow this case daily, I feel bad asking if there's any news or a quick recap of some facts. The links are tiring to plow through, and you seem to have a handle on the case.
Thanks
GG

[haveaniceday]

I agree that the 31 days of not reporting Caylee missing is what is ultimately going to put Casey away. I just dont see how the defense will be able to explain that away. Who does that???..When you really get down to it.. she still was not the one that reported her missing.
IMO, even without any other evidence, that will be the thorn in their side.
I remember when I first heard about Caylee missing back in July and the whole Nanny story..it was the not being reported for 31 days that had me knowing Casey was involved. I knew something was not right. Once the Jury hears that..the rest of the goodies they get from the State will just be confirmation of guilt.
I do wonder though if she will get the DP:confused:..but, LWP is fine with me!!

All the defense has to do is cause doubt in one juror's mind.
IMO that is what they are doing. If one juror has any doubt that someone else was involved in the murder, the OC walks.
That is why Jb, Cindy etc. are naming Kronk, Jesse and Amy as suspects

[Bala]

I agree that the 31 days of not reporting Caylee missing is what is ultimately going to put Casey away. I just dont see how the defense will be able to explain that away. Who does that???..When you really get down to it.. she still was not the one that reported her missing.
IMO, even without any other evidence, that will be the thorn in their side.
I remember when I first heard about Caylee missing back in July and the whole Nanny story..it was the not being reported for 31 days that had me knowing Casey was involved. I knew something was not right. Once the Jury hears that..the rest of the goodies they get from the State will just be confirmation of guilt.
I do wonder though if she will get the DP:confused:..but, LWP is fine with me!!

My first question to Casey and the most telling along with the 31 days is Why did you assume Caylee had been abducted? If I showed up at my sitters and no one was anywhere to be found for hours I'd think there had been an accident or something a long those lines. I'd be calling every hospital and police station I could think of. It says a lot that she didn't. Only one explanation she knew exactly where Caylee was. IN THE TRUNK OF HER CAR.

[Sun]

Do we know if Casey and Caylee were at the Anthony home the morning of June 7th? Or there when George and Cindy left to go to the beach? I'm just a little confused about this day. IIRC, George and Cindy really didn't spend all that long at the beach that day.

[Sun]

My first question to Casey and the most telling along with the 31 days is Why did you assume Caylee had been abducted? If I showed up at my sitters and no one was anywhere to be found for hours I'd think there had been an accident or something a long those lines. I'd be calling every hospital and police station I could think of. It says a lot that she didn't. Only one explanation she knew exactly where Caylee was. IN THE TRUNK OF HER CAR.

Bala, you have very good reasoning. This is probably exactly what the Jury members will be thinking too.

[Sun]

Good Morning All!

Wow only 5 pages of posts for yesterday. Maybe I should have started a weekend thread instead of a thread for Saturday.

One year ago today.......June 7, 2008

Amy moves into Ricardo’s. Casey was there. Page 11 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642949/Huizenga-Amy---Statement

Text messages between Casey and Amy: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy to Casey: I heart you.

Casey > Amy 06/07 5:19 a.m. You know I’m here.. always!

Amy to Casey: I hit a guardrail. Thank god I’m OK and I didn’t get a DUI. My car is f***ed. I’ll find out how bad in the morning. I think my nose bleed from the air bag. This bites.

Casey to Amy 06/07 5:19 a.m.: Hunny I’m glad you’re ok! Jesus. That message scared the crap out of me.

Casey to Amy: 06/07 5:19 a.m.: Hunny I’m glad you’re ok! Jesus. That message scared the crap out me me. [sent twice]

Amy to Casey: Please call and wake me up when you get up. I need to talk. I messed up real bad. I need my friend.

Amy to Casey: I love you.

Casey to Amy 06/07 5:20 a.m.: I love you too! I'm glad you’re ok!
KC AH Thanks. Go back to sleep. I’ll talk to you tom. I’m pretty sure I’m fine. I’ll know when I wake up. Hopefully I can fix this tom.

Casey and Caylee spend the night at Ricardo’s. They arrived at 11:00 p.m. page 10 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement

Cindy and George were at the beach per part 1 of Cindy’s FBI interview. http://www.wftv.com/video/18035355/index.html

Maybe epass records might show the exact time that George and Cindy traveled to and from the beach?

[AMS]

I'm so glad you put this up, I pop over here now and again but as I don't follow this case daily, I feel bad asking if there's any news or a quick recap of some facts. The links are tiring to plow through, and you seem to have a handle on the case.
Thanks
GG

Morning GossipGirl. This recaps the week pretty well.

http://www.bloggernews.net/121153

imo

[Sun]

All the defense has to do is cause doubt in one juror's mind.
IMO that is what they are doing. If one juror has any doubt that someone else was involved in the murder, the OC walks.
That is why Jb, Cindy etc. are naming Kronk, Jesse and Amy as suspects

I think that the more and more that the Anthonys and the defense points fingers elsewhere (with no evidence to back up their words/lies), it leaves an even stronger impression that Casey is guilty.

[desmom]

Do we know if Casey and Caylee were at the Anthony home the morning of June 7th? Or there when George and Cindy left to go to the beach? I'm just a little confused about this day. IIRC, George and Cindy really didn't spend all that long at the beach that day.

Cindy talked about the trip to the beach in the audio interview...I think that was with the FBI. I don't know if she stated what time they left for the beach without going back and watching the tape...please don't make me watch it again.

jmo

[msgatorslayer]

I think that the more and more that the Anthonys and the defense points fingers elsewhere (with no evidence to back up their words/lies), it leaves an even stronger impression that Casey is guilty.

ITA - No matter who they try to throw under the bus Casey's statement to LE doesn't back it up. "The Nanny did it'. The one that, Casey's known for years. She tells LE all about the nanny's family. Even what type of cell phone plans she'd had through the years, lmao.

If 31 days of the kidnapper being away with Caylee wasn't enough, Mommy Dearest was then wasting additional time leading LE on wild goose chases.

G'morning, all.

[Sun]

Cindy talked about the trip to the beach in the audio interview...I think that was with the FBI. I don't know if she stated what time they left for the beach without going back and watching the tape...please don't make me watch it again.

jmo

Don't watch it again! LOL IIRC, Cindy doesn't say the times on that interview. ...I'm thinking this info was maybe gathered from epass records, but I haven't found those just yet to be certain.

[Sun]

10:37 a.m. to 15:42 p.m. is what the epass records are showing for the June 7th beach trip.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2447626/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Epass-records-Released-Nov-06-08

[desmom]

What the heck is an Epass? TIA

[msgatorslayer]

What the heck is an Epass? TIA

An Epass is like a debit card for paying tolls. You pay for a transponder and put money into your account.

[desmom]

An Epass is like a debit card for paying tolls. You pay for a transponder and put money into your account.

Thanks. We do not have toll roads around here...just cornfields.

[Sun]

I don't understand why George and Cindy would exclude Casey and Caylee from their beach trip (especially Caylee). It makes me think that Casey may have refused to go, and also refused to let them take Caylee too.

June 7th was a Saturday.

[msgatorslayer]

Thanks. We do not have toll roads around here...just cornfields.

Lucky you. Smooth driving, there.

You get a small discount on tolls by using the pass and you don't have to stop at the toll booths. Just drive through the Epass lane and the transponder deducts the toll from your account.

There has been countless problems with the system though. IMO, someone like Baez can even argue the records are unreliable.

[Bala]

When it comes to our fear for our children we tend to work off instinct. If true when Zanny didn't show with Caylee, Casey's first instinct would have been Oh my god was there an accident or is Caylee sick and Zanny had to take her to the hospital. I just don't get why Casey would think Zanny abducted her. It makes no sense. Casey's phone records show no phone calls to hospitals or police to check if there was an accident or Caylee or Zanny had taken ill or been in an accident. I just can't see the defense getting past that.

[Sun]

Thanks. We do not have toll roads around here...just cornfields.

LOL... I understand quite well desmom! I grew up in Illiniois, I'm a farmer's daughter! Way back in the days when it took an entire family to put in the crops, and to tend them, and to harvest them. I don't miss this days (well not much).

[msgatorslayer]

When it comes to our fear for our children we tend to work off instinct. If true when Zanny didn't show with Caylee, Casey's first instinct would have been Oh my god was there an accident or is Caylee sick and Zanny had to take her to the hospital. I just don't get why Casey would think Zanny abducted her. It makes no sense. Casey's phone records show no phone calls to hospitals or police to check if there was an accident or Caylee or Zanny had taken ill or been in an accident. I just can't see the defense getting past that.

The defense has many obstacles.

There was a local trial I kept up with last week. The defense didn't bother with opening statements and called no witnesses. There was nothing to defend. His client was guilty.

I wish the Anthony case could be so simple.

We're gonna listen to weeks worth of words that have no substance.

[AMS]

Lucky you. Smooth driving, there.

You get a small discount on tolls by using the pass and you don't have to stop at the toll booths. Just drive through the Epass lane and the transponder deducts the toll from your account.

There has been countless problems with the system though. IMO, someone like Baez can even argue the records are unreliable.

Yep - we drove from WI to MA last Xmas. The Epass was supposed to work in 4 states. We never got billed for any part of the trip. That was a good thing :biggrin: but shows the system is whacky.

imo

[adair]

[QUOTE=Sus2;13175212][QUOTE=crimeq;13175042]

I agree with you. There is something shady about this whole group. I also think she was "employed" for cash part of that time. Even if her clothes were not expensive, she still had to be spending more than was in the Caylee's piggy bank. The cell text msg. service is very expensive here.


(snipped for space)

I do not know which cell company oc had, but with my plan, I pay $5.00 for 250 text messages, and i think for $10 its unlimited.

[Amy]

All the defense has to do is cause doubt in one juror's mind.
IMO that is what they are doing. If one juror has any doubt that someone else was involved in the murder, the OC walks.
That is why Jb, Cindy etc. are naming Kronk, Jesse and Amy as suspects

I don't think she walks. Most likely it would be a hung jury, and they would be looking @ a second trial. I THINK that it would have to be more than just one voting for acquittal for her to walk. But, I'm not a lawyer and don't know FL laws and might be mistaken. :wink:

[msgatorslayer]

[QUOTE=Sus2;13175212][QUOTE=crimeq;13175042]

I agree with you. There is something shady about this whole group. I also think she was "employed" for cash part of that time. Even if her clothes were not expensive, she still had to be spending more than was in the Caylee's piggy bank. The cell text msg. service is very expensive here.


(snipped for space)

I do not know which cell company oc had, but with my plan, I pay $5.00 for 250 text messages, and i think for $10 its unlimited.

She had a very expensive plan. Her phone bills were between $300-$500. {shakes head}

[Explorer]

Hi everyone I hope coldwater doesnt mind but I feel I must explain the deceased eyelash caper before I get arrested by the cosmetics police. This prom was months in the planning. I travelled the country side for shoes dress bag etc. Five minuites before we are leaving the house to go her dates house promgirl decides shes going to apply false eyelashes:scared: For the first time:scared: and then says mom help me with these. Her dates entire family is waiting for us at his house for a photo shoot:scared:. We finally get in the car and promgirl is TUGGING ON HER EYEBALLS. Then yesterday I found the dead eyelash on the floor.

[msgatorslayer]

Yep - we drove from WI to MA last Xmas. The Epass was supposed to work in 4 states. We never got billed for any part of the trip. That was a good thing :biggrin: but shows the system is whacky.

imo

People have had their licenses suspended here for faulty Epass records.

My FIL even got a pic in the mail of what looked like his scooter. Saying that he didn't pay a toll. Why anyone, more so, my FIL, would be taking a scooter on a road at 60-70 mph is unknown. He uses it to drive through his neighborhood.

He had the pic blown up and proved it wasn't his tag on the back of it.

[desmom]

I don't understand why George and Cindy would exclude Casey and Caylee from their beach trip (especially Caylee). It makes me think that Casey may have refused to go, and also refused to let them take Caylee too.

June 7th was a Saturday.

Your post tickled something in my brain....I finally found it. :D

What the heck was this trip about? Did they really go?

Email from Shirley Plesea to her sister 6/05/08: page 8 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811544/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-013

"I called Cindy, she doesn't sound good, sounds depressed. But she said they got their pool ready last Sunday, so she has some time in it. Didn't give me a reason fro going to Ft. Myers. Just said she "didn't feel like going". She actually didn't sound like she wanted to talk--about anything."


page 9:

"Cindy was doing fine, supporting the house, saving etc till George got them into debt with the online gambling. Getting credit cards to cover the loses, then running up credit bills. Cindy used a lot of her savings and took an equity loan on the house, so she has 2 big payments on the house. She used the rest of her 401 K to play catch up on the car ins. and the other bills. Since George came back he's had at least 3 or 4 jobs. He's supposed to pay his car payment, the telephone and electricity bills. He gets behind on those even. Cindy saw a counselor, she told her to not support Casey and Caylee. Cindy said I can't let them be out on the street."

[Barbara fl.]

Hi everyone I hope coldwater doesnt mind but I feel I must explain the deceased eyelash caper before I get arrested by the cosmetics police. This prom was months in the planning. I travelled the country side for shoes dress bag etc. Five minuites before we are leaving the house to go her dates house promgirl decides shes going to apply false eyelashes:scared: For the first time:scared: and then says mom help me with these. Her dates entire family is waiting for us at his house for a photo shoot:scared:. We finally get in the car and promgirl is TUGGING ON HER EYEBALLS. Then yesterday I found the dead eyelash on the floor.


Good morning all,

I can visualize that story...I would put that eyelash in her album, that will be something for her to remember and show her daghter one day....

[desmom]

Page 39 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811544/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-013

Email from Shirley Plesea to Rick dated August 13, 2008:

"Dear Rick, I read all the letters. I agree with most of what you said. I know she won't believe any of until she sees that little body or Casey says where she is.

I made her upset the last note I wrote. So what does she think we can do? If they are so sure Caylee is kidnapped, what does she think we can do to find her--look in Myrtle Beach, - or in Mt. Dora?......"

IMO, Shirley knew as early as 8/13 Caylee suspected was deceased. It also sounds like Cindy was giving the family heck for not looking for a kidnapped Caylee. IIRC, Shirley lives in Mt. Dora and Rick lives in Myrtle Beach.

My heart goes out to Shirley. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Your post tickled something in my brain....I finally found it. :D

What the heck was this trip about? Did they really go?

Email from Shirley Plesea to her sister 6/05/08: page 8 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811544/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-013

"I called Cindy, she doesn't sound good, sounds depressed. But she said they got their pool ready last Sunday, so she has some time in it. Didn't give me a reason fro going to Ft. Myers. Just said she "didn't feel like going". She actually didn't sound like she wanted to talk--about anything."


page 9:

"Cindy was doing fine, supporting the house, saving etc till George got them into debt with the online gambling. Getting credit cards to cover the loses, then running up credit bills. Cindy used a lot of her savings and took an equity loan on the house, so she has 2 big payments on the house. She used the rest of her 401 K to play catch up on the car ins. and the other bills. Since George came back he's had at least 3 or 4 jobs. He's supposed to pay his car payment, the telephone and electricity bills. He gets behind on those even. Cindy saw a counselor, she told her to not support Casey and Caylee. Cindy said I can't let them be out on the street."


I thought about something last night...If Cindy is riding on a guilt trip for fighting with Casey the night before Caylee went missing...then Cindy's mother must be feeling twice as guilty because the fight was due to her telling Cindy about the money that Casey had stolen.....

Also, I was watching that tape (once again) on the NG show and when Cindy asked Casey if she ever had Caylee spend the night at TonE's, Casey responded with "No" and went on to say "I wouldn't leave Casey with just anyone"....Didn't Cindy find that to be odd seeing as Casey was trying to convince everyone that she left Caylee with a "non existant nanny".....?

[Sun]

Shirley has been a great source for providing little details that Cindy really doesn't want anyone to know. Bless her. Her insight into Cindy is going to save Cindy from Baez's bus (I think).

[kingfish]

In Florida, the vote does not have to be unanimous to recommend the death penalty.

[kingfish]

In Florida, a simple 7-5 majority can yield a death sentence and a jury's recommendation of life in prison can be overridden by a judge in certain circumstances.

[Amy]

ITA - No matter who they try to throw under the bus Casey's statement to LE doesn't back it up. "The Nanny did it'. The one that, Casey's known for years. She tells LE all about the nanny's family. Even what type of cell phone plans she'd had through the years, lmao.

If 31 days of the kidnapper being away with Caylee wasn't enough, Mommy Dearest was then wasting additional time leading LE on wild goose chases.

G'morning, all.

If I were on the jury, once I heard 31 days before reporting, it would be an uphill climb for the defense to make me think anything other than that her mother killed her.

If the defense decided to run w/the nanny did it, they would have a hard time convincing me that there was a nanny if grandparents did not know WHO she was, WHERE she was, and how to contact her. Estranged families--the grandparents might not know. The daughter and granddaughter living in the house--IF there had been a nanny, they would have had that info. AND THEN, if they persisted on the nanny story, I would not believe for one nanosecond that a grandmother would actually have contact info, and not use it to attempt to find the d/gd, AND to take 9 months to reveal this info--NOT to LE, but to a lawyer in a civil trial!!!! Nope, by the time this would come out, I would not believe a word of what the grandmother would have to say, and would think of what she is doing/saying appears to be a coverup for the daughter.

It would just take a heck of a lot to get me past the 31 days. And I'm betting that the prosecution has a whole lot more up their sleeve than they have had to release to the public. And I'm thinking the defense is grasping @ straws, because they KNOW the 31 days will be nigh onto impossible for jurors to dismiss. IMO

[Sun]

In Florida, the vote does not have to be unanimous to recommend the death penalty.

And, this may be one thing that Lyon hasn't yet encountered in her history of representing clients... does anyone know if Lyon has successfully argued against the death penalty in a FL courtroom?

[Amy]

Thanks. We do not have toll roads around here...just cornfields.

I hear ya, cornfields (well, more wheat fields) here in KS!!! I KNOW there is a toll road around Wichita, but haven't been on it, don't know where it came from, nor where it leads to!!

Glad you asked the question, there is another case in MI where there was mention of eCards, and here, I had tho't eCards were something only in FL. I knew it had something to do w/toll roads, just didn't remember what!

[Dick Tracy]

I thought about something last night...If Cindy is riding on a guilt trip for fighting with Casey the night before Caylee went missing...then Cindy's mother must be feeling twice as guilty because the fight was due to her telling Cindy about the money that Casey had stolen.....

Also, I was watching that tape (once again) on the NG show and when Cindy asked Casey if she ever had Caylee spend the night at TonE's, Casey responded with "No" and went on to say "I wouldn't leave Casey with just anyone"....Didn't Cindy find that to be odd seeing as Casey was trying to convince everyone that she left Caylee with a "non existant nanny".....?


Morning Barb,

I watched those tapes again also, and ITA. The first jailhouse visit made between them is odd also. I truly felt that Cindy was doing her best to extract information from Casey about Zanny, the non-existent Nanny. And also in that jailhouse visit, Cindy is questioning her and saying some things don't make any sense, "Why didn't she come back and get the car. That doesn't make any sense."

Casey at that point was weary from telling so many different lies, and she just whined "Mom", while wiping her face from the tears.

It's between this first interview and day X where Cindy half-heartedly believes that ZANNY took the baby, and she's still trying to locate her.

After day X, Cindy knows what happened, and knows Caylee isn't coming back.

[msgatorslayer]

And, this may be one thing that Lyon hasn't yet encountered in her history of representing clients... does anyone know if Lyon has successfully argued against the death penalty in a FL courtroom?

I don't know the answer to that.

I do know that monsters such as Smith and Couey would not have been given a death sentence under another states rules. As there were jurors in both cases who voted for life.

[desmom]

page 47 August 20, 2008 Cindy A writes to brother Rick P http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811544/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-013

"...You are so fixated on the sitter, get over the sitter. Just because I have no pictures of her, it doesn't mean she doesn't exist. I do have pictures of the apartment, I've given things that belong to the sitter to the police..."

Yet in the July 25 9:00 a.m. jail visit video, Cindy and Casey discussed the photo of Caylee with the drums in Zanny's apartment. Casey said Zanny had a drum set. When Cindy asks again is that Zanny's apartment and said she knows who apartment it is, Casey finally admits it is Ricardo's apartment and it is set up a lot like Zanny's apartment. 2:30 http://www.wftv.com/video/18205452/index.html

While looking for the video, I found several message boards stating in Cindy's video interview with the FBI she told them the night all Casey's friends came to the house she showed them pictures including one Cindy said was Zanny's apartment. Amy told her that was not Zanny's apartment, it was Ricardo's apartment. IIRC, the friends gathered at the A's a day or two after Casey's arrest.

If that is correct, Cindy knew that pic of Caylee with the drums was not Zanny's apartment since approximately July 18, yet she tells her brother Rick she has pics of the apartment. Also if Cindy believed "the nanny took Caylee" story, why would she tell Rick to get over the sitter? Wouldn't the sitter be her main focus?

jmo

[Sun]

page 47 August 20, 2008 Cindy A writes to brother Rick P http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811544/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-013

"...You are so fixated on the sitter, get over the sitter. Just because I have no pictures of her, it doesn't mean she doesn't exist. I do have pictures of the apartment, I've given things that belong to the sitter to the police..."

Yet in the July 25 9:00 a.m. jail visit video, Cindy and Casey discussed the photo of Caylee with the drums in Zanny's apartment. Casey said Zanny had a drum set. When Cindy asks again is that Zanny's apartment and said she knows who apartment it is, Casey finally admits it is Ricardo's apartment and it is set up a lot like Zanny's apartment. 2:30 http://www.wftv.com/video/18205452/index.html

While looking for the video, I found several message boards stating in Cindy's video interview with the FBI she told them the night all Casey's friends came to the house she showed them pictures including one Cindy said was Zanny's apartment. Amy told her that was not Zanny's apartment, it was Ricardo's apartment. IIRC, the friends gathered at the A's a day or two after Casey's arrest.

If that is correct, Cindy knew that pic of Caylee with the drums was not Zanny's apartment since approximately July 18, yet she tells her brother Rick she has pics of the apartment. Also if Cindy believed "the nanny took Caylee" story, why would she tell Rick to get over the sitter? Wouldn't the sitter be her main focus?

jmo

Cindy just can't stand to be wrong, or for Rick to point out that she is wrong. And, Cindy will lie, lie, lie, before she will let anyone say that she is wrong about anything. JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Morning Barb,

I watched those tapes again also, and ITA. The first jailhouse visit made between them is odd also. I truly felt that Cindy was doing her best to extract information from Casey about Zanny, the non-existent Nanny. And also in that jailhouse visit, Cindy is questioning her and saying some things don't make any sense, "Why didn't she come back and get the car. That doesn't make any sense."

Casey at that point was weary from telling so many different lies, and she just whined "Mom", while wiping her face from the tears.

It's between this first interview and day X where Cindy half-heartedly believes that ZANNY took the baby, and she's still trying to locate her.

After day X, Cindy knows what happened, and knows Caylee isn't coming back.


I think it was more of a case where Cindy was hoping against hope that Casey was for once in her life telling the truth....it was probably those few days that kept Cindy and George praying that it wasn't true....but deep down they knew what had happened and tha Caylee was never coming back....

Then once Casey was released the very first time, the family knew for sure and tried to play it off to the media in hope to save Casey from the inevitable...I truly believe that Lee, Cindy and George made a pack to try and convince the world that Caylee was still alive....but then Kronk came along.....(thank God for him) because we would still be hearing that there were sightings of Caylee.....

Now they are all at a loss......

[Sun]

Cindy kept trying to lead LE on wild goose chases, with false "tips" and such. I've never seen anything like this, but LE just kept letting her go on with it. .....and it was so funny when Baez stated in court, that he'd only received Discovery in regards to two ZGs, and he wanted all the rest of the ZGs that LE had investigated. Clearely, LE didn't waste many resources on trying to track down a ficticious Zanny the Nanny.

[Barbara fl.]

page 47 August 20, 2008 Cindy A writes to brother Rick P http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811544/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-013

"...You are so fixated on the sitter, get over the sitter. Just because I have no pictures of her, it doesn't mean she doesn't exist. I do have pictures of the apartment, I've given things that belong to the sitter to the police..."

Yet in the July 25 9:00 a.m. jail visit video, Cindy and Casey discussed the photo of Caylee with the drums in Zanny's apartment. Casey said Zanny had a drum set. When Cindy asks again is that Zanny's apartment and said she knows who apartment it is, Casey finally admits it is Ricardo's apartment and it is set up a lot like Zanny's apartment. 2:30 http://www.wftv.com/video/18205452/index.html

While looking for the video, I found several message boards stating in Cindy's video interview with the FBI she told them the night all Casey's friends came to the house she showed them pictures including one Cindy said was Zanny's apartment. Amy told her that was not Zanny's apartment, it was Ricardo's apartment. IIRC, the friends gathered at the A's a day or two after Casey's arrest.

If that is correct, Cindy knew that pic of Caylee with the drums was not Zanny's apartment since approximately July 18, yet she tells her brother Rick she has pics of the apartment. Also if Cindy believed "the nanny took Caylee" story, why would she tell Rick to get over the sitter? Wouldn't the sitter be her main focus?

jmo


And had Cindy not said to Casey in the jail video "I know whose apt this is" Casey would have kept saying that it was Zany's....but Cindy sort of gave her a warning not to keep saying it was Zany's because she knew whose apt it really was.....So Casey's only comeback was that their apt's are simular.....Ya right.....

Casey did not have an answer to anything....and it kills me that all she kept saying was that LE wouldn't listen to what she was saying......What was she saying? Nothing, that was the problem....what ever she was saying was all lies.....But Cindy and George went along with that as well......This family is so transparent it's ridiculous.....

[Dick Tracy]

I think it was more of a case where Cindy was hoping against hope that Casey was for once in her life telling the truth....it was probably those few days that kept Cindy and George praying that it wasn't true....but deep down they knew what had happened and tha Caylee was never coming back....

Then once Casey was released the very first time, the family knew for sure and tried to play it off to the media in hope to save Casey from the inevitable...I truly believe that Lee, Cindy and George made a pack to try and convince the world that Caylee was still alive....but then Kronk came along.....(thank God for him) because we would still be hearing that there were sightings of Caylee.....

Now they are all at a loss......

"Honey I need to see in your eyes." - Casey had a hard time with that one.

[Sun]

Someone please, please correct me if I've gotten these dates mixed up.

LPadilla had his Little Econ River dive event on Nov 13. Which seemed to create a public display of anger and outrage by George and Cindy. Nov 14th, DCasey called JHoover and told him to meet him the next morning to go and look for a dead Caylee. .....anyone think that someone wanted verification that Caylee's remains were still at the Suburban Drive site?

And, on the 14th didn't the Anthonys tell media that they would have a big announcement on the following Monday?

[Barbara fl.]

Cindy kept trying to lead LE on wild goose chases, with false "tips" and such. I've never seen anything like this, but LE just kept letting her go on with it. .....and it was so funny when Baez stated in court, that he'd only received Discovery in regards to two ZGs, and he wanted all the rest of the ZGs that LE had investigated. Clearely, LE didn't waste many resources on trying to track down a ficticious Zanny the Nanny.

I guess after all the lies that Casey had told and the odor in the car and not reporting your child missing for 31 days, was enough to let LE know not to bother looking any further....they were looking right at the murderer and they were holding all the evidence they needed....

That is why, the defense is not going to be able to come up with a believeable defense....They will probably try anything at all (no matter how rediculous) to play on that one lone juror that would probably believe anything someone tells them.....(that's the juror that will make this a hung jury)....however Casey will never get out either way...because if that should happen the second go round Casey would have to go with legal aide (because no high profile lawyer would touch this case after the first trial)..and she wont have the experts etc., etc.,

So no matter what happens in this trial....Casey will never get out of prison.....

[Amy]

When it comes to our fear for our children we tend to work off instinct. If true when Zanny didn't show with Caylee, Casey's first instinct would have been Oh my god was there an accident or is Caylee sick and Zanny had to take her to the hospital. I just don't get why Casey would think Zanny abducted her. It makes no sense. Casey's phone records show no phone calls to hospitals or police to check if there was an accident or Caylee or Zanny had taken ill or been in an accident. I just can't see the defense getting past that.

And, even if I were on the outs w/my Mom, if I couldn't find one of my kids, I would certainly be calling her, OMG, I can't find my baby nor the babysitter!!!! And, if I hadn't already tho't of calling hospitals and police and such, my Mom would probably direct me to start that up. Tell me to get home right away and we'd start calling. Abduction of my baby whilst in the care of the nanny whom I trusted for so long, and where there was nothing prior that would make me think she would up and take off with my baby would NEVER cross my mind!!!

Of course, she then changed to the abduction in the park, where OBVIOUSLY it was an abduction w/threats and all that. So, of course, no calls to check on accidents and such.

I just don't see where the defense can get around the first story. And, then, to try to call in the SECOND story--nope, they are falling in a deep well on that. There is absolutely nothing about either story that would hold water, IMO.

[Tornado]

And had Cindy not said to Casey in the jail video "I know whose apt this is" Casey would have kept saying that it was Zany's....but Cindy sort of gave her a warning not to keep saying it was Zany's because she knew whose apt it really was.....So Casey's only comeback was that their apt's are simular.....Ya right.....

Casey did not have an answer to anything....and it kills me that all she kept saying was that LE wouldn't listen to what she was saying......What was she saying? Nothing, that was the problem....what ever she was saying was all lies.....But Cindy and George went along with that as well......This family is so transparent it's ridiculous.....

Bolding mine, after this much time of listening to how the OC communicates, I wonder if talking in code is the norm for her and if so, in her mind she was thinking she was giving information to then but no one knows how to talk to her. I listen to jailhouse tapes of conversation between OC and Lee and the entire thing is code talking.

[Barbara fl.]

"Honey I need to see in your eyes." - Casey had a hard time with that one.


And Casey certainly knew just what her mother meant....And I believe that is the very reason that Casey doesn't want to see her family...she knows her mother will see right thru her.....However, what Casey is not realizing right now is that Cindy and George and Lee will continue to stand behind her no matter what....(which is sick as far as I'm concerned)......

[CelticDawn]

Yep and she did not seem to worried about sticking to her story because she would later post pics on myspace that contradicted what she had said.

jmo

Maybe her events were ...errr "dates" (I think they call them) at Fusians or some other sleaze joint...???

[Amy]

Your post tickled something in my brain....I finally found it. :D

What the heck was this trip about? Did they really go?

Email from Shirley Plesea to her sister 6/05/08: page 8 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811544/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-013

"I called Cindy, she doesn't sound good, sounds depressed. But she said they got their pool ready last Sunday, so she has some time in it. Didn't give me a reason fro going to Ft. Myers. Just said she "didn't feel like going". She actually didn't sound like she wanted to talk--about anything."


page 9:

"Cindy was doing fine, supporting the house, saving etc till George got them into debt with the online gambling. Getting credit cards to cover the loses, then running up credit bills. Cindy used a lot of her savings and took an equity loan on the house, so she has 2 big payments on the house. She used the rest of her 401 K to play catch up on the car ins. and the other bills. Since George came back he's had at least 3 or 4 jobs. He's supposed to pay his car payment, the telephone and electricity bills. He gets behind on those even. Cindy saw a counselor, she told her to not support Casey and Caylee. Cindy said I can't let them be out on the street."

The reason I couldn't find Shirley's comment about Cindy's going to her MIL (well, NOT going as planned) was because I was looking in her LE interview!!!

So, the week Cindy had off was in June? I was thinking her birthday was like June 6 or so. I was also thinking that Casey and Caylee were gone SOMEWHERE around that time, because I was thinking I had read (from something of Shirley's) that Cindy had waited all day for Casey to bring Caylee by for her birthday, but didn't. I also remember that the week Cindy took off (around her birthday) she did not go to MIL's as planned, but was waiting for Casey to bring Caylee by. Then, she and George say, Caylee was with them for that week, and Cindy tells LE they went shopping--@ Publix.

So, from all that, it does seem that Casey and Caylee were also gone for a part of June also, @ least the first part that included Cindy's week off for her birthday. It's been so long ago, I can't remember all the details. I don't know--maybe it was when Casey was supposedly on an out of town trip for her work? Altho, it does seem odd that she would have Caylee stay w/the nanny whilst she was out of town, instead of being w/Cindy and George. Seeing as how this was before the big blow up when Casey left to "bond" w/Caylee. IIRC, IMO.

[Tornado]

The reason I couldn't find Shirley's comment about Cindy's going to her MIL (well, NOT going as planned) was because I was looking in her LE interview!!!

So, the week Cindy had off was in June? I was thinking her birthday was like June 6 or so. I was also thinking that Casey and Caylee were gone SOMEWHERE around that time, because I was thinking I had read (from something of Shirley's) that Cindy had waited all day for Casey to bring Caylee by for her birthday, but didn't. I also remember that the week Cindy took off (around her birthday) she did not go to MIL's as planned, but was waiting for Casey to bring Caylee by. Then, she and George say, Caylee was with them for that week, and Cindy tells LE they went shopping--@ Publix.

So, from all that, it does seem that Casey and Caylee were also gone for a part of June also, @ least the first part that included Cindy's week off for her birthday. It's been so long ago, I can't remember all the details. I don't know--maybe it was when Casey was supposedly on an out of town trip for her work? Altho, it does seem odd that she would have Caylee stay w/the nanny whilst she was out of town, instead of being w/Cindy and George. Seeing as how this was before the big blow up when Casey left to "bond" w/Caylee. IIRC, IMO.

IIRC- it has been stated that KC actually move to Tone's on the 9th of June. ITA though that it seems as if things were moving downhill between KC and CA at the beginning of June.

[Bala]

Does anyone know if Cindy is still seeing a therapist and if so can the state subpoena her file? No one can hold this pain inside. Their has to be someone that George or Cindy have told their suspicions to. Image the nightmare these people have when they close their eyes. You can fool yourself when your awake but you can't fool your dreams.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Barbara fl.
And had Cindy not said to Casey in the jail video "I know whose apt this is" Casey would have kept saying that it was Zany's....but Cindy sort of gave her a warning not to keep saying it was Zany's because she knew whose apt it really was.....So Casey's only comeback was that their apt's are simular.....Ya right.....

Casey did not have an answer to anything....and it kills me that all she kept saying was that LE wouldn't listen to what she was saying......What was she saying? Nothing, that was the problem....what ever she was saying was all lies.....But Cindy and George went along with that as well......This family is so transparent it's ridiculous.....

The Anthonys sure didn't raise her right. They allowed Casey to lie to them, without dealing out consequences that worked to curb the bad habit of lying.

[Pam1569]

Found this in a search for Andrea Lyon cases in Florida

http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2003/3mer/1ami/2003-0931.mer.ami.pdf

On page 13 + 14
In light of that focus, a basic rule of representation in
capital cases is to avoid taking a position in the guilt phase
that could compromise arguments for leniency in the sentencing
phase. “Ideally, the theory of the trial must complement,
support, and lay the groundwork for the theory of mitigation. Consistency is crucial because * * * counsel
risks losing credibility by making an unconvincing argument
in the first phase that the defendant did not commit the
crime, then attempting to show in the penalty phase why the
client committed the crime.” ABA Death Penalty Guidelines
10.11 cmt. (31 Hofstra L. Rev. at 1059) (internal quotation
marks and footnote omitted); see id. at 10.10.1 cmt. (31
Hofstra L. Rev. at 1047-1048); Scott E. Sundby, The Capital
Jury and Absolution: The Intersection of Trial Strategy,
Remorse, and the Death Penalty, 83 Cornell L. Rev. 1557,
1558-1559 (1998); Streib, supra, at 409; White, supra, at 356-
358; Goodpaster, supra, at 329. In the words of one attorney,
“[i]t is not good to put on a ‘he didn’t do it’ defense and a
‘he is sorry he did it’ mitigation. This just does not work.
The jury will give the death penalty to the client and, in
essence, the attorney.” Andrea D. Lyon, Defending the
Death Penalty Case: What Makes Death Different?, 42
Mercer L. Rev. 695, 708 (1991); see Lingar, 176 F.3d at 459.

bolding by me. If these are her words to a defense of a DP case then JB is going to have to follow. imo If I am reading this wrong please let me know. TIA

[Amy]

And had Cindy not said to Casey in the jail video "I know whose apt this is" Casey would have kept saying that it was Zany's....but Cindy sort of gave her a warning not to keep saying it was Zany's because she knew whose apt it really was.....So Casey's only comeback was that their apt's are simular.....Ya right.....

Casey did not have an answer to anything....and it kills me that all she kept saying was that LE wouldn't listen to what she was saying......What was she saying? Nothing, that was the problem....what ever she was saying was all lies.....But Cindy and George went along with that as well......This family is so transparent it's ridiculous.....

Her problem was that LE WAS listening to what she was saying, and when they checked out (the first day) that there was no job @ universal, there was NO TRACE of a nanny, they didn't have to keep "listening" to the lies she was spewing, and they didn't need to re-check stuff like the job and nanny---they already had information that proved they were not true. IMO

[Dick Tracy]

And had Cindy not said to Casey in the jail video "I know whose apt this is" Casey would have kept saying that it was Zany's....but Cindy sort of gave her a warning not to keep saying it was Zany's because she knew whose apt it really was.....So Casey's only comeback was that their apt's are simular.....Ya right.....

Casey did not have an answer to anything....and it kills me that all she kept saying was that LE wouldn't listen to what she was saying......What was she saying? Nothing, that was the problem....what ever she was saying was all lies.....But Cindy and George went along with that as well......This family is so transparent it's ridiculous.....


*** My bold.

And at that point, Casey was wearing from telling so many different stories and lies. You could see it in her face, tired of trying to remember this story, and that story, and making sure they all meshed.