Friday, June 5, 2009 #1

[desmom]

One year ago today.....June 5, 2008

Cindy Anthony’s Birthday – the last time Lee Anthony believes he saw Caylee page 41 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1641627/Anthony-Lee---Statement

Troy Brown’s Birthday – Amy, Ricardo, Troy and other friends went out – no Casey. Page 10 http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/tb092308.pdf

No text messages between Casey and Amy documented http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

[Sun]

Good morning Desmom! Time is just flying by so fast.

[vagal]

Good Morning Everyone.
I may not post much but I do read or try to read every post to keep up. I have been following this since the call that Cindy made to the police...Thank everyone for all the links and great info for us to follow.

Only have one question. Does anyone know when the judge is going to make the ruling about the video. Please excuse the spelling. Not enough coffee yet.

[Sun]

Good Morning Everyone.
I may not post much but I do read or try to read every post to keep up. I have been following this since the call that Cindy made to the police...Thank everyone for all the links and great info for us to follow.

Only have one question. Does anyone know when the judge is going to make the ruling about the video. Please excuse the spelling. Not enough coffee yet.

Good morning Vagal. No word yet about the jail video. Someone from the media did file a Motion on June 1, so there will likely be a court date set sometime in the future. I remember Lyon and LKB saying that they wouldn't be available before June 22 for a hearing, even though Judge Strickland indicated that he could most likely fit in an earlier date on his court docket.

[desmom]

Good Morning All!

We have received a lot of information in the doc dumps. I do not recall seeing anything from the FBI except for preliminary reports with notations final reports to follow.

I know the FBI's (and any other agency that is not a Florida agency) reports do not fall under the FL Sunshine Laws until they are given to the prosecution. Wouldn't the pros. have the final reports by now?

I want to know what the stain was in the trunk of the car, the results of the tests performed on the maggots, if the duct tape found on Caylee has the same thread pattern as the duct tape on the gas can, was the laundry bag the item at the scene that directly connected the crime scene to the Anthony home?

Also, I think LE has done interviews with more than the major players in Caylee's life. Have we seen a transcript for Mallory?

jmo

[Sun]

Good Morning All!

We have received a lot of information in the doc dumps. I do not recall seeing anything from the FBI except for preliminary reports with notations final reports to follow.

I know the FBI's (and any other agency that is not a Florida agency) reports do not fall under the FL Sunshine Laws until they are given to the prosecution. Wouldn't the pros. have the final reports by now?

I want to know what the stain was in the trunk of the car, the results of the tests performed on the maggots, if the duct tape found on Caylee has the same thread pattern as the duct tape on the gas can, was the laundry bag the item at the scene that directly connected the crime scene to the Anthony home?

Also, I think LE has done interviews with more than the major players in Caylee's life. Have we seen a transcript for Mallory?

jmo

Desmon, I have never seen a transcript or listened to an audio for an interview with Mallory. And, Mallory was said to be with Lee when he went looking for Casey on July 2nd or 3rd.

Ah, the FBI stuff... Baez hasn't yet figured out how to get his hands on that stuff either. LOL If the FBI has not yet finished with their investigation, they may not release anything, as in reports or writings to the State. I am interested in any toxicology results obtained from any maggots/pupua.

[Sun]

Desmom, I am also quite curious to find out what the immediate need was for LE to immediately fingerprint George and Cindy just after Caylee's remains were found. It just makes me think that a latent or partials were found on something that day, as specific tests were conducted to rule them out on the duct tape. (but no mention of Casey's prints were ruled out). This stuff is probably all still with the FBI, and I think that we'll hear more of it come trial day.

[AMS]

Desmon, I have never seen a transcript or listened to an audio for an interview with Mallory. And, Mallory was said to be with Lee when he went looking for Casey on July 2nd or 3rd.

Ah, the FBI stuff... Baez hasn't yet figured out how to get his hands on that stuff either. LOL If the FBI has not yet finished with their investigation, they may not release anything, as in reports or writings to the State. I am interested in any toxicology results obtained from any maggots/pupua.

Good morning all. Glad the board survived some afternoon turbulence yesterday. :wink:

I have never seen anything from Mallory either. This has been bothering me for some reason. Mallory has been a major part of the Ant family. I would think she would have lots of info to share. As LKL says - WEIRD.

imo

[sammy62]

Good Morning Everyone.
I may not post much but I do read or try to read every post to keep up. I have been following this since the call that Cindy made to the police...Thank everyone for all the links and great info for us to follow.

Only have one question. Does anyone know when the judge is going to make the ruling about the video. Please excuse the spelling. Not enough coffee yet.

good morning. Nice test for us...this early in the morning. I couldn't find a misspelled word. LOL :tonguewag:

[Or_is_it?]

Especially since they thought they could sneak over to the memorial site without getting caught. Again???:scared:
JMO

There is no bottom low with the Anthony's. What is this compulsion to lie? Major things, minor things. I've never seen anything like it.

[Or_is_it?]

Good morning Vagal. No word yet about the jail video. Someone from the media did file a Motion on June 1, so there will likely be a court date set sometime in the future. I remember Lyon and LKB saying that they wouldn't be available before June 22 for a hearing, even though Judge Strickland indicated that he could most likely fit in an earlier date on his court docket.

Anyone know the new date Mitnick was returning to court. TIA!

[margaritaville]

Desmon, I have never seen a transcript or listened to an audio for an interview with Mallory. And, Mallory was said to be with Lee when he went looking for Casey on July 2nd or 3rd.

Ah, the FBI stuff... Baez hasn't yet figured out how to get his hands on that stuff either. LOL If the FBI has not yet finished with their investigation, they may not release anything, as in reports or writings to the State. I am interested in any toxicology results obtained from any maggots/pupua.

How long does it take to conduct these tests? I have often heard a "six month" time line but am not sure if that is accurate.

If it is, the results should be getting back anytime now....

[Sun]

There is no bottom low with the Anthony's. What is this compulsion to lie? Major things, minor things. I've never seen anything like it.

I would guess that LE has to deal with folks such as this on a regular basis. Probably many aren't as bad as the Anthony clan. What I find very unusual, is that the Anthonys appear to be getting their attorneys to also lie.

[desmom]

Desmon, I have never seen a transcript or listened to an audio for an interview with Mallory. And, Mallory was said to be with Lee when he went looking for Casey on July 2nd or 3rd.

Ah, the FBI stuff... Baez hasn't yet figured out how to get his hands on that stuff either. LOL If the FBI has not yet finished with their investigation, they may not release anything, as in reports or writings to the State. I am interested in any toxicology results obtained from any maggots/pupua.

I forgot about Mallory being with Lee. IIRC, Mallory sent text messages or called Casey for Lee because Casey was ignoring Lee's messages/calls.

The events of July 3rd confuse me. In the depo, Cindy said she went to Universal to pick up Caylee because Casey said Caylee was at Universal. When Cindy arrived at Universal, she called Casey and Casey said they were not there. Also around the July 4th time line, Casey told Cindy they were in J'ville but Cindy sent Lee looking for Casey in the bars on July 3.

Why would Cindy send Lee out looking for Casey in Orlando bars if Casey was in J'ville? Why would Cindy go to Universal if they were in J'ville?

jmo

[Or_is_it?]

How long does it take to conduct these tests? I have often heard a "six month" time line but am not sure if that is accurate.

If it is, the results should be getting back anytime now....

Well there's several variables. There's the actual conducting of the tests and then there's the interpretation of the tests. After that there's the formal write up of the conclusions. With no court date set or a date set which was always likely for it to be pushed back the FBI's priorities and work load are adjusted accordingly.

Although not formally pushed back, this case isn't going for a while. The FBI has no priority with this case and is using their manpower elsewhere IMO.

[Unleashed]

good morning. Nice test for us...this early in the morning. I couldn't find a misspelled word. LOL :tonguewag:

No coffee for me yet, I couldn't find anything even if I tried!

Morning, all. :seeya:

[desmom]

Anyone know the new date Mitnick was returning to court. TIA!

I do not see anything listed on the case calendar for the civil suit.

[AMS]

I see LE is going to interview the Ant's in the cross-stealing, car-chasing event. What are people's thoughts on what will happen to the Ant's?


imo

[Sun]

Anyone know the new date Mitnick was returning to court. TIA!

I check the Orange County Clerk of Courts every day, and so far no court date has been set. Here are the latest entries on their records.

6/1/2009 Motion To Stay OR DEFER THE CIVIL CASE UNTIL RESOLUTION OF THE PENDING CRIMINAL CASE
6/1/2009 Motion to Dismiss (RENEWED) THE PLTFS AMENDED COMPLAINT & MOTION FOR SANCTIONS
6/3/2009 Letter
6/3/2009 Order Granting Motion to Amend COMPLAINT

[Or_is_it?]

I check the Orange County Clerk of Courts every day, and so far no court date has been set. Here are the latest entries on their records.

6/1/2009 Motion To Stay OR DEFER THE CIVIL CASE UNTIL RESOLUTION OF THE PENDING CRIMINAL CASE
6/1/2009 Motion to Dismiss (RENEWED) THE PLTFS AMENDED COMPLAINT & MOTION FOR SANCTIONS
6/3/2009 Letter
6/3/2009 Order Granting Motion to Amend COMPLAINT

Thanks Sun and Desmom.

I didn't know about the above motions filed. The above are Casey's lawyer I'm assuming.

My guess it's going to be awhile. Rodriguez seemed to have a pretty full docket and IIRC he had another engagement somewhere to be part of a panel or something.

[cassidy]

Also, I think LE has done interviews with more than the major players in Caylee's life. Have we seen a transcript for Mallory?

jmo

We really don't know much about Mallory, do we? Except that she and her Mom are involved with the "foundation". Isn't her Mom on the board? The media seems to steer clear of them/

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

I forgot about Mallory being with Lee. IIRC, Mallory sent text messages or called Casey for Lee because Casey was ignoring Lee's messages/calls.

The events of July 3rd confuse me. In the depo, Cindy said she went to Universal to pick up Caylee because Casey said Caylee was at Universal. When Cindy arrived at Universal, she called Casey and Casey said they were not there. Also around the July 4th time line, Casey told Cindy they were in J'ville but Cindy sent Lee looking for Casey in the bars on July 3.

Why would Cindy send Lee out looking for Casey in Orlando bars if Casey was in J'ville? Why would Cindy go to Universal if they were in J'ville?

jmo

G'morning!!

IMO, Cindy is holding something back.

Did Cindy go to Universal on her own? Surely, Casey didn't ask her to come there and pick Caylee up. One, Casey didn't work there. Two, Caylee was gone.

Cindy was on a mission to get Caylee. She drove over to Universal. Calls Casey. Then what? Casey says Caylee is not there anymore so Cindy just leaves? I think Cindy went to pick up Caylee and found out Casey didn't work there.

This is why she writes her 'My Caylee is Missing' mypost post on the same day.

And then sends detective Lee to look for her.

[Sun]

I forgot about Mallory being with Lee. IIRC, Mallory sent text messages or called Casey for Lee because Casey was ignoring Lee's messages/calls.

The events of July 3rd confuse me. In the depo, Cindy said she went to Universal to pick up Caylee because Casey said Caylee was at Universal. When Cindy arrived at Universal, she called Casey and Casey said they were not there. Also around the July 4th time line, Casey told Cindy they were in J'ville but Cindy sent Lee looking for Casey in the bars on July 3.

Why would Cindy send Lee out looking for Casey in Orlando bars if Casey was in J'ville? Why would Cindy go to Universal if they were in J'ville?

jmo

Are you really asking "why" Cindy would do the things that she does? LOL Why would Cindy & George do yard work, replace or reset pavers under Caylee's playhouse, during the first week of July? That has to be one of the hottest weeks of the summer. And why did neither Cindy or George call 911 when they smelled the car?

[msgatorslayer]

I see LE is going to interview the Ant's in the cross-stealing, car-chasing event. What are people's thoughts on what will happen to the Ant's?


imo

I doubt anything will happen to them. Unless Lois has some proof and captured it on tape.

[Sun]

chuckles ....why Cindy does and says some of the stuff that she has, is a mystery to me. No matter how hard I try, I just can't think like she does.

[toadii]

The quote below is from the official "buy-a-bear" website.
It must be too soon to publish the invited/disinvited list with the*only the purest in heart * type participation requirement.
I hope all goes well for those who can attend the JBP memorial. Cindy does not like to take a backseat and this memorial preempts what she may/may not be planning. Remember she claims to have kept the BD cake and presents from last year, which could well provide props for her next performance of unconditional love.

"At this time the Anthony's will not be holding a vigil for Caylee in June. We may be planning one for her birthday in August. Please watch the website for further details"

[Sun]

Thanks Sun and Desmom.

I didn't know about the above motions filed. The above are Casey's lawyer I'm assuming.

My guess it's going to be awhile. Rodriguez seemed to have a pretty full docket and IIRC he had another engagement somewhere to be part of a panel or something.

Yes, Kasen is once again trying to get the Civil Case dismissed or stayed until after the Criminal Case. Since he has a counter-claim against ZG, I just wonder if that might allow Judge Rodriguez to deny staying the Civil Case. If Kasen doesn't come up with any better reasons to dismiss, than he did in the last hearing, he's going to lose that motion.

[shellzbi]

I see LE is going to interview the Ant's in the cross-stealing, car-chasing event. What are people's thoughts on what will happen to the Ant's?


imo

Good Morning, The Ant's should have had there hands slapped by LE back in July when this whole mess came to light.

They are IMO the most annoying and lying group of people. They have hindered this case from the very start of this whole circus.

I'd love to see Cindy finally get her just desserts.

Greedy , Money Hungry. That's the Anthony Family. JMO.

[EverMoth]

Desmom, I am also quite curious to find out what the immediate need was for LE to immediately fingerprint George and Cindy just after Caylee's remains were found. It just makes me think that a latent or partials were found on something that day, as specific tests were conducted to rule them out on the duct tape. (but no mention of Casey's prints were ruled out). This stuff is probably all still with the FBI, and I think that we'll hear more of it come trial day.

GM everyone! This is what I think too. I found it highly suspicious when everyone in the family was named and found to be excluded except Casey. No mention of her at all. I would think, if she would have been excluded, her name would have been mentioned. This tells me she isn't excluded.

Anyone know if the results pertaining to Casey could have been sealed?

[doradoll]

G'morning!!

IMO, Cindy is holding something back.

Did Cindy go to Universal on her own? Surely, Casey didn't ask her to come there and pick Caylee up. One, Casey didn't work there. Two, Caylee was gone.

Cindy was on a mission to get Caylee. She drove over to Universal. Calls Casey. Then what? Casey says Caylee is not there anymore so Cindy just leaves? I think Cindy went to pick up Caylee and found out Casey didn't work there.

This is why she writes her 'My Caylee is Missing' mypost post on the same day.

And then sends detective Lee to look for her.

she used this tactic (getting Cindy out of the house) often, so that she could get into the house undetected.....she would tell Cindy that she would have Caylee here or there, only to leave Cindy a text or call that plans had changed

I am no Cindy fan, but I can see why she penned that note that day.

[doradoll]

btw, did anyone look into the comma spacing intrigue of yesterday?

[EverMoth]

btw, did anyone look into the comma spacing intrigue of yesterday?

Someone must have because Comma Spacer is now banned.

[msgatorslayer]

she used this tactic (getting Cindy out of the house) often, so that she could get into the house undetected.....she would tell Cindy that she would have Caylee here or there, only to leave Cindy a text or call that plans had changed

I am no Cindy fan, but I can see why she penned that note that day.

Right! But to lead Cindy to Universal? Does she know that her Mom really is that stupid?:confused: If I was in the same shoes, no way would I ask my Mom to come to my fake job.

[breezie]

We really don't know much about Mallory, do we? Except that she and her Mom are involved with the "foundation". Isn't her Mom on the board? The media seems to steer clear of them/

JMO


we know that she refers to herself as *Mally Boo*

[msgatorslayer]

Good morning...:seeya:
She carries so many lies maybe she forgot she didn't work there.:sneaky:
JMO

Funny!:laugh:

[Pam1569]

I do not see anything listed on the case calendar for the civil suit.

GM des

Didn't Judge Rodriguez say that Mitnik would have to send someone everyday to the courthouse to check the case calendar in case there might be an opening for him to apply for the new motion hearing then, because his (the judge) was full for the rest of the month. But there is always cancellations and that he could possible find one and have his slipped in then?

Also just a question about the criminal case. I know I heard that LKB and AL couldn't be present until the week of June 22nd, but didn't Strickland, before calling the attorneys to the bench say that they could be at the next hearing via the phone?

[*MoonRider*]

One year ago today.....June 5, 2008

Cindy Anthony’s Birthday – the last time Lee Anthony believes he saw Caylee page 41 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1641627/Anthony-Lee---Statement

Troy Brown’s Birthday – Amy, Ricardo, Troy and other friends went out – no Casey. Page 10 http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/tb092308.pdf

No text messages between Casey and Amy documented http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Casey not texting Amy for an entire day is unusual especially with a party going on. Do we know where she was? Cindy thinks so highly of herself she took a whole week off of work to celebrate her birthday. Wonder what she has planned for today?

[apothecary]

G'morning!!

IMO, Cindy is holding something back.

Did Cindy go to Universal on her own? Surely, Casey didn't ask her to come there and pick Caylee up. One, Casey didn't work there. Two, Caylee was gone.

Cindy was on a mission to get Caylee. She drove over to Universal. Calls Casey. Then what? Casey says Caylee is not there anymore so Cindy just leaves? I think Cindy went to pick up Caylee and found out Casey didn't work there.

This is why she writes her 'My Caylee is Missing' mypost post on the same day.

And then sends detective Lee to look for her.

That same day Jesse receives a message from Casey to ignore any incoming calls from her parents.She said she would explain some time when she was drunk.About this time Cindy phones a friend of Casey's and tells him Casey is a psychopath.That weekend they redo their yard possibly looking for something..Something is brewing here.

[Pam1569]

Right! But to lead Cindy to Universal? Does she know that her Mom really is that stupid?:confused: If I was in the same shoes, no way would I ask my Mom to come to my fake job.

GM msgator, Yes I do think that OC believes that she is the smartest one in that family, because she has pulled the wool over there eyes so many times. Even when she was confronted by Cindy over a lie she must have made another lie to explain this is what really happened just like she is trying to do now. jmo But imo it just isn't going to work in the criminal case. OC is not going to win this with lies she will be made to finally get to pay the consequence of lying.

ETA: does anyone have R. Grund e-mail? TIA
ETA: Thunder storms are back. Be back in a little bit.

[Sun]

Casey not texting Amy for an entire day is unusual especially with a party going on. Do we know where she was? Cindy thinks so highly of herself she took a whole week off of work to celebrate her birthday. Wonder what she has planned for today?

Loved your statement that "Cindy thinks so highly of herself"! Was that the date that Lee said that he last saw Caylee?

[doradoll]

Right! But to lead Cindy to Universal? Does she know that her Mom really is that stupid?:confused: If I was in the same shoes, no way would I ask my Mom to come to my fake job.


well, of course, Cindy couldn't get to her "office" without clearance...Casey, herself, had to bamboozle her way in thru the security guard while she had her own police escort

I think she told Cindy that they were visiting the park as guests (you know you get free tickets when you "work" there) and she could meet her at such and such place. Universal is more than just a contained park. There are surrounding restaurants, concert halls etc nearby.

[Sun]

GM des

Didn't Judge Rodriguez say that Mitnik would have to send someone everyday to the courthouse to check the case calendar in case there might be an opening for him to apply for the new motion hearing then, because his (the judge) was full for the rest of the month. But there is always cancellations and that he could possible find one and have his slipped in then?

Also just a question about the criminal case. I know I heard that LKB and AL couldn't be present until the week of June 22nd, but didn't Strickland, before calling the attorneys to the bench say that they could be at the next hearing via the phone?

I suspect that Conway is going to make it as difficult as he can, for Mitnik to find a court date any time in the near future. Conway is going to try to delay, delay, delay hoping that Kasen will be able to get the renewed Motion to Dismiss or Motion to Stay heard first.

[doradoll]

That same day Jesse receives a message from Casey to ignore any incoming calls from her parents.She said she would explain some time when she was drunk.About this time Cindy phones a friend of Casey's and tells him Casey is a psychopath.That weekend they redo their yard possibly looking for something..Something is brewing here.

my opinion of the yard redo is that it was probably preplanned for the time they had off

george was one of those "project" guys....he liked to clean the cars and he liked to work in the yard, doing projects...he seemed to take pride in it and they focused it around Caylee's needs, it seems; a little girl's playground

how sad; she should be playing in the pool today, singing her songs

[breezie]

I suspect that Conway is going to make it as difficult as he can, for Mitnik to find a court date any time in the near future. Conway is going to try to delay, delay, delay hoping that Kasen will be able to get the renewed Motion to Dismiss or Motion to Stay heard first.

I think Judge R is on to Conway. After his no-show in his courtroom, but he shows up with the Anthonys at Casey's hearing a couple of days later? I think Conway is going to have to face Judge R's music.

[Myka]

:rolleyes:

so...I am going through my mail and we have a few casinos here and they send out mailers with coupons and what not. I open one mailer this morning and one of the casinos is opening up a new cafe called the.....

drum roll plzzzzzzzz..

The C & G Cafe.....

hubby asked if they serve chili LOL

[Sun]

I think Judge R is on to Conway. After his no-show in his courtroom, but he shows up with the Anthonys at Casey's hearing a couple of days later? I think Conway is going to have to face Judge R's music.

I am guessing that both Judge Rodriguez and Mitnik have come to the realization that Conway is having difficulties controling his clients, Cindy and George. Breezie, you are so right... one day they will have to face Judge Rodriguez's music!

[Unleashed]

GM msgator, Yes I do think that OC believes that she is the smartest one in that family, because she has pulled the wool over there eyes so many times. Even when she was confronted by Cindy over a lie she must have made another lie to explain this is what really happened just like she is trying to do now. jmo But imo it just isn't going to work in the criminal case. OC is not going to win this with lies she will be made to finally get to pay the consequence of lying.

ETA: does anyone have R. Grund e-mail? TIA
ETA: Thunder storms are back. Be back in a little bit.

Pam, I'm not sure if his personal email is on here, but you can reach him thru it.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=85212505&blogId=492886162


IMO

[Sun]

I just had a wicked thought. Do you suppose that Morgan/Mitnik might have a birthday surprise for Cindy today?

[Patty437]

We really don't know much about Mallory, do we? Except that she and her Mom are involved with the "foundation". Isn't her Mom on the board? The media seems to steer clear of them/

JMO

I thought, way back when, that Mallory was pregnant when all this started. Am I wrong?

[Pam1569]

I suspect that Conway is going to make it as difficult as he can, for Mitnik to find a court date any time in the near future. Conway is going to try to delay, delay, delay hoping that Kasen will be able to get the renewed Motion to Dismiss or Motion to Stay heard first.

GM Sun, I think that Kassen isn't going to get very far with his motion to stay until the criminal case is heard. jmo And if BC tries to make another medical excuse for not being there I do think Rodriquez with have a lot to say about that. Or even if BC tries to say that the Anthony's again are having emotional problems do to it being the month of Caylee's demise just isn't going to work. imo But I know that JK, BC and JB are going to try and stall everything for as long as they can. jmo

[JHP]

I thought, way back when, that Mallory was pregnant when all this started. Am I wrong?


If she was, the babys afraid to come out.

[Pam1569]

Pam, I'm not sure if his personal email is on here, but you can reach him thru it.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=85212505&blogId=492886162


IMO

TY Unleashed much appreciated. :smile:

[Unleashed]

If she was, the babys afraid to come out.


:scared:

:lol: !!!snort!!! :lol:

imo

[sammy62]

If she was, the babys afraid to come out.

good one...however sad but true:thumbdown:

[Sun]

GM Sun, I think that Kassen isn't going to get very far with his motion to stay until the criminal case is heard. jmo And if BC tries to make another medical excuse for not being there I do think Rodriquez with have a lot to say about that. Or even if BC tries to say that the Anthony's again are having emotional problems do to it being the month of Caylee's demise just isn't going to work. imo But I know that JK, BC and JB are going to try and stall everything for as long as they can. jmo

I wonder if Cindy has learned her lesson about claiming a medical issue as to the reason why she can't be deposed? Afterall, if she did get "proof" of this, then couldn't that "proof" be reason for her medical license to be pulled? LOL... I think that the last think that Cindy would do, is go to a doctor and get evaluated. JMO

I would be surprised if BConway tries to use a medical excuse for himself, two times in a row. Very surprised. But, I agree with you, "stall" is the name of their game.

[EverMoth]

I would be surprised if BConway tries to use a medical excuse for himself, two times in a row. Very surprised. But, I agree with you, "stall" is the name of their game.


I agree. Imo, the drums are starting to beat and they WILL have to face the music.

[Pam1569]

I wonder if Cindy has learned her lesson about claiming a medical issue as to the reason why she can't be deposed? Afterall, if she did get "proof" of this, then couldn't that "proof" be reason for her medical license to be pulled? LOL... I think that the last think that Cindy would do, is go to a doctor and get evaluated. JMO

I would be surprised if BConway tries to use a medical excuse for himself, two times in a row. Very surprised. But, I agree with you, "stall" is the name of their game.

Sun, I doubt that Cindy thinks she needs her nursing license any more since she has now got the Foundation going. But I also doubt that the license would be renewed without the Florida Nursing board being involved since she has admitted on TV that she has thought of suicide and not gotten medical help and just based it on her faith that has gotten her though it. jmo

[lyndano"i"]

Sorry OT here but I may have missed it. I heard at some point that Lisa Bloom was thinking of helping the OC.....now I see her program on In Session is gone! Anyone? Thanks in advance, sorry to go OT.....you guys keep me so informed. You are a great group.:smile::thumbsup:

[Unleashed]

I suspect that Conway is going to make it as difficult as he can, for Mitnik to find a court date any time in the near future. Conway is going to try to delay, delay, delay hoping that Kasen will be able to get the renewed Motion to Dismiss or Motion to Stay heard first.


Another pizza/beer party in the future??


JMO

[Sun]

Sun, I doubt that Cindy thinks she needs her nursing license any more since she has now got the Foundation going. But I also doubt that the license would be renewed without the Florida Nursing board being involved since she has admitted on TV that she has thought of suicide and not gotten medical help and just based it on her faith that has gotten her though it. jmo

My memory is shaky on this, but I think that Cindy may have renewed her Florida license in Mar?Apr?May of this year when it became due. Not quite sure where to find this info again though.

[Sandy001]

Good Morning All!

We have received a lot of information in the doc dumps. I do not recall seeing anything from the FBI except for preliminary reports with notations final reports to follow.

I know the FBI's (and any other agency that is not a Florida agency) reports do not fall under the FL Sunshine Laws until they are given to the prosecution. Wouldn't the pros. have the final reports by now?

I want to know what the stain was in the trunk of the car, the results of the tests performed on the maggots, if the duct tape found on Caylee has the same thread pattern as the duct tape on the gas can, was the laundry bag the item at the scene that directly connected the crime scene to the Anthony home?

Also, I think LE has done interviews with more than the major players in Caylee's life. Have we seen a transcript for Mallory?

jmo I am not sure of the time limit for turning over Discovery to the defense, but I am sure we don't get the information before the defense does. If the defense delays the trial date,will that extend the timeline that the prosecution has to turn over Discovery to them?

I have to wonder if Baez has received his Discovery from the FBI yet. Somehow I don't see the FBI being intimidated by him.

[Pam1569]

My memory is shaky on this, but I think that Cindy may have renewed her Florida license in Mar?Apr?May of this year when it became due. Not quite sure where to find this info again though.

Sun, Your right she did just renew her license and it doesn't expire until April 30, 2011

http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/IRM00PRAES/PRASINDI.ASP?LicId=94605&ProfNBR=1701

Well I guess she thinks that she is going to have to fall back on her nursing when the foundation doesn't work out. jmo

[martha]

Good morning everyone. I don;t think g and c or planing on working anymore. they have the foundation and they will have a book deal and a movie deal. I think they know they or going to make a lot of money and will not have to work anymore. so sad. Caylee's story will keep them all up the rest of their lives. God bless little Caylee. I pray I will see justice for Caylee but I am not sure I will. so many lawyers to fight for casey to be set free. Life is not always fair.jmho

[Sandy001]

Desmom, I am also quite curious to find out what the immediate need was for LE to immediately fingerprint George and Cindy just after Caylee's remains were found. It just makes me think that a latent or partials were found on something that day, as specific tests were conducted to rule them out on the duct tape. (but no mention of Casey's prints were ruled out). This stuff is probably all still with the FBI, and I think that we'll hear more of it come trial day.
I think there were printts on the duct tape or the bags also. The fact that Baez so loudly claims there were none just means that the FBI hasn't told him about them - not that there were no prints on the tape. I believe the defense also loudly claims there was no heart sticker either. But then Baez's credibility is below zero with me. He's like Cindy and Casey....if his lips are moving, he's lying.

[Sun]

Sun, Your right she did just renew her license and it doesn't expire until April 30, 2011

http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/IRM00PRAES/PRASINDI.ASP?LicId=94605&ProfNBR=1701

Well I guess she thinks that she is going to have to fall back on her nursing when the foundation doesn't work out. jmo

Thanks so much for looking this up! I had no idea of where to look. I hate it when details become fuzzy in my mind, and now this one is crystal clear again!

I sure wouldn't want Cindy working for me, along side of me, or on me. LOL

[Lapis]

I think there were printts on the duct tape or the bags also. The fact that Baez so loudly claims there were none just means that the FBI hasn't told him about them - not that there were no prints on the tape. I believe the defense also loudly claims there was no heart sticker either. But then Baez's credibility is below zero with me. He's like Cindy and Casey....if his lips are moving, he's lying.

The prints were taken immediately to rule them out should there be any prints on the evidence found at the scene. LE will not know if there are any until they analyze the evidence. IIRC there has been a report saying there were no latent prints on the duct tape. JMO

[Sandy001]

Thanks so much for looking this up! I had no idea of where to look. I hate it when details become fuzzy in my mind, and now this one is crystal clear again!

I sure wouldn't want Cindy working for me, along side of me, or on me. LOLOr having her for a boss. Aren't nurses supposed to have compassion and empathy for people, not just her daughter. She sure doesn't seem to have any compassion for George - I bet she treats her dogs better than she treats George. jmo

[Sandy001]

Did Baez really say "You will learn to respect me?" If so, did he say how long it would take? I don't respect him yet, and wonder when it will be that I lose my mind and respect him. I need to reserve a room in a mental hospital in anticipation of respecting him. :scared:TIA Any "respect" I had for him were dashed when he started demanding discovery on a murder BEFORE she was charged. He should have been screaming for discovery for her fraud charges but he never even considered those charges.

[Unleashed]

Did Baez really say "You will learn to respect me?" If so, did he say how long it would take? I don't respect him yet, and wonder when it will be that I lose my mind and respect him. I need to reserve a room in a mental hospital in anticipation of respecting him. :scared:TIA

You may be too late. Many of us reserved months ago.:thumbup:

JMO

[court~critic1®]

The only proof other than Lois' et al word will be the location where George claims through Brad Conway to have been almost run over. If it were in a neighborhood other than the Anthonys' neighborhood, and was in the neighborhood Lois claims to have been hemmed in by the Milsteads and Anthonys, then clearly Lois is telling the truth. The Anthonys will have some 'splaining to do. Also, although the State Trooper did nothing to help the situation, apparently refusing to help because the "Anthonys have been through enough" surely he made a report of it. If he didn't, why not? Another Cain? Derelection of duty? Or, as usual, protecting George and Cindy Anthony. That brings up the question why are the Anthonys made of teflon? A police officer takes an oath to uphold the law, not to uphold the law according to his own opinion.

Also, if Milstead did, as reported, have a flashing light on top of his vehicle, that is clearly a violation of Florida law. Why wasn't he apprehended? Another teflon couple? Something funny is going on here with the LE and the Anthonys being able to lie, steal, harrass, threaten, and now assault, with impunity. I would hope someone can give a reasonable answer, but I doubt it. They are being protected for some reason. Why?



You are so right!!!! I have wondered this for a very long time myself.

Surely they can't or won't use the excuse "they are greiving grandparents".

I have yet to see them grieve in any way, shape, or form. Other then to plead for money. Shame on the LE. I am losing any respect I had for the LE in Orlando. Sorry to say. :thumbdown:

[Sandy001]

I do not see anything listed on the case calendar for the civil suit.
I think Conway submarined that with his injured back. Delay, delay, delay

[Daffodil]

The prints were taken immediately to rule them out should there be any prints on the evidence found at the scene. LE will not know if there are any until they analyze the evidence. IIRC there has been a report saying there were no latent prints on the duct tape. JMO


Hi Lapis,

What would happen if it was determined that Caylee died prior to the date on the arrest warrant? I know the date they used was June 16th or later. What would happen if Cindy was on the stand and said that Caylee died on the 15th and it was an accident?

Would they have to aquit her based on their arrest warrant date and issue a new arrest warrant and start all over?

Thanks!

[Daffodil]

Or having her for a boss. Aren't nurses supposed to have compassion and empathy for people, not just her daughter. She sure doesn't seem to have any compassion for George - I bet she treats her dogs better than she treats George. jmo



I really want to know what her coworkers really thought of her.

[Sandy001]

I see LE is going to interview the Ant's in the cross-stealing, car-chasing event. What are people's thoughts on what will happen to the Ant's?


imo They will lie and get away with it again imo.

[Sandy001]

G'morning!!

IMO, Cindy is holding something back.

Did Cindy go to Universal on her own? Surely, Casey didn't ask her to come there and pick Caylee up. One, Casey didn't work there. Two, Caylee was gone.

Cindy was on a mission to get Caylee. She drove over to Universal. Calls Casey. Then what? Casey says Caylee is not there anymore so Cindy just leaves? I think Cindy went to pick up Caylee and found out Casey didn't work there.

This is why she writes her 'My Caylee is Missing' mypost post on the same day.

And then sends detective Lee to look for her. I don't know if she went to Universal or not, but she could not have gotten past the guard. So she would call Casey's phne to tell her to tell the guards to let Cindy in. So Casey would have told her the Jacksonville lie. Most companies do NOT let you take yourchildren to your work and Universal obviously has security guards to boot.

[shelkobe]

If she was, the babys afraid to come out.
Bwahahahaha!

[Lapis]

Hi Lapis,

What would happen if it was determined that Caylee died prior to the date on the arrest warrant? I know the date they used was June 16th or later. What would happen if Cindy was on the stand and said that Caylee died on the 15th and it was an accident?

Would they have to aquit her based on their arrest warrant date and issue a new arrest warrant and start all over?

Thanks!

I don't know how things are worded in Fla. In NJ the indictment usually reads "on or about", so this doesn't become an issue. It would be difficult for Cindy to now claim June 15 as she has been all over the place including under oath in the civil trial saying the last day they (George and Casey) saw Caylee was June 16. Remember her deposition will also be taken in the criminal trial so she really can't come out with a new story at the time of trial or she will be charged with perjury. If she tells this story at the deposition, they can move to amend the indictment to reflect the true date. JMO

[Daffodil]

I don't know how things are worded in Fla. In NJ the indictment usually reads "on or about", so this doesn't become an issue. It would be difficult for Cindy to now claim June 15 as she has been all over the place including under oath in the civil trial saying the last day they (George and Casey) saw Caylee was June 16. Remember her deposition will also be taken in the criminal trial so she really can't come out with a new story at the time of trial or she will be charged with perjury. If she tells this story at the deposition, they can move to amend the indictment to reflect the true date. JMO


Thanks Lapis!! I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us.


So, are all witnesses deposed prior to trial? I never knew that. Actually, I never gave it a thought that any witness would be deposed prior to trial. I guess that tells you a lot about me!

[Lapis]

Thanks Lapis!! I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us.


So, are all witnesses deposed prior to trial? I never knew that. Actually, I never gave it a thought that any witness would be deposed prior to trial. I guess that tells you a lot about me!

In Fla they have very liberal discovery rules so that witnesses can be deposed in criminal cases. This is not true in other states. I know its not true in NJ and according to Katprint it is not true in California. JMO

[Sandy001]

The only proof other than Lois' et al word will be the location where George claims through Brad Conway to have been almost run over. If it were in a neighborhood other than the Anthonys' neighborhood, and was in the neighborhood Lois claims to have been hemmed in by the Milsteads and Anthonys, then clearly Lois is telling the truth. The Anthonys will have some 'splaining to do. Also, although the State Trooper did nothing to help the situation, apparently refusing to help because the "Anthonys have been through enough" surely he made a report of it. If he didn't, why not? Another Cain? Derelection of duty? Or, as usual, protecting George and Cindy Anthony. That brings up the question why are the Anthonys made of teflon? A police officer takes an oath to uphold the law, not to uphold the law according to his own opinion.
Also, if Milstead did, as reported, have a flashing light on top of his vehicle, that is clearly a violation of Florida law. Why wasn't he apprehended? Another teflon couple? Something funny is going on here with the LE and the Anthonys being able to lie, steal, harrass, threaten, and now assault, with impunity. I would hope someone can give a reasonable answer, but I doubt it. They are being protected for some reason. Why?Could Cindy have pulled the "grieving ggrandmother" routine like she did with GVS to avoid answering any questions? They have video of both George AND Milstead assaulting people, but I guess that trooper was upholding the law according to the Anthonys.

Surely he could have figured out if Milstead had the strobe lights or not. The picture clearly showed something of that nature.

[Daffodil]

In Fla they have very liberal discovery rules so that witnesses can be deposed in criminal cases. This is not true in other states. I know its not true in NJ and according to Katprint it is not true in California. JMO

I feel like I am bugging you too much. But.......why would they need to depose a witness? I understand certain circumstances like a witness is too far away or a child. Is it just to make sure that they know what the witness will say and to make sure they don't change thier story?

[CelticDawn]

Could Cindy have pulled the "grieving ggrandmother" routine like she did with GVS to avoid answering any questions? They have video of both George AND Milstead assaulting people, but I guess that trooper was upholding the law according to the Anthonys.

Surely he could have figured out if Milstead had the strobe lights or not. The picture clearly showed something of that nature.

I get SO SICK of watching these people play LE and everybody with any authority to shut them down......

BUT, after growing up around and being in what some might call a LE family,....I take some comfort in KNOWING that for every badA** in the world, there is somebody that they WILL offend that is BADDER and will one day do something about them.

Sad state of affairs, but that is the world of crimminals. :mad:

[Pam1569]

Didn't Mitnik say he preferred not to do this via Telephone?:confused:
Or was that is respect to the hearing that day when (cough cough, clear throught) Conway called in sick.:sneaky:
JMO

Hi Dianna, Mitnik did say in court that BC didn't want to do the hearing by phone and that was when he hurt his back.

But I referring to the criminal case that LKB and AL might do there next hearing via phone.

[Sandy001]

Good morning everyone. I don;t think g and c or planing on working anymore. they have the foundation and they will have a book deal and a movie deal. I think they know they or going to make a lot of money and will not have to work anymore. so sad. Caylee's story will keep them all up the rest of their lives. God bless little Caylee. I pray I will see justice for Caylee but I am not sure I will. so many lawyers to fight for casey to be set free. Life is not always fair.jmho I am not into reading that kind of fiction. We can only hope that what happened to Scott Peterson's family will happen to her. They were actively searching for someone to broker a book deal for Scott's side of the story but there were no takers. Karma DOES happen.

[Lapis]

I feel like I am bugging you too much. But.......why would they need to depose a witness? I understand certain circumstances like a witness is too far away or a child. Is it just to make sure that they know what the witness will say and to make sure they don't change thier story?

If I am reading the rules correctly there are certain witnesses that must be deposed. Arrangements can be made relative to out of state witnesses. I would imagine if they fail to appear they cannot testify at trial. Child witnesses are treated with special care depending upon their age, but they can be deposed. A deposition is actually less traumatic than at trial and can actually serve to orient the child to the process. A deposition can be used in various ways. I always found it useful in evaluating how effective a witness will be in front of a jury. It is a way to determine what people will say. At trial it can be used for impeachment purposes. Should a witness die it can be used as his/her testimony at trial. JMO

[Daffodil]

If I am reading the rules correctly there are certain witnesses that must be deposed. Arrangements can be made relative to out of state witnesses. I would imagine if they fail to appear they cannot testify at trial. Child witnesses are treated with special care depending upon their age, but they can be deposed. A deposition is actually less traumatic than at trial and can actually serve to orient the child to the process. A deposition can be used in various ways. I always found it useful in evaluating how effective a witness will be in front of a jury. It is a way to determine what people will say. At trial it can be used for impeachment purposes. Should a witness die it can be used as his/her testimony at trial. JMO



Thank you again!!!

[penguinlady]

Here is an odd thought...MAYBE the Milsteads are the "Amber Fry" of this whole thing with the Anthony's. Like turning States Evidence or something.

Just a passing thought and probably way off base.

IMO
K

[Daffodil]

Here is an odd thought...MAYBE the Milsteads are the "Amber Fry" of this whole thing with the Anthony's. Like turning States Evidence or something.

Just a passing thought and probably way off base.

IMO
K


Wouldn't that be great. Unfortunately, I don't think so.

[Sandy001]

If George is telling the truth about the night of the wooden cross heist, maybe he should have let Lois and her buddy run him down.:biggrinjester:
JMOO If George and Milstead DID block her car, I can clearly see where anyone would be fearful of them. Could George have deliberately walked in front of her car to keep them from leavingand to let his "muscle" (Milstead) deal with her? If so, that is clearly a violation of her civil rights imo

[AMS]

A couple of days ago a poster (can't remeember who) said they received a response from Representative Alan Grayson's office regarding the $500,000 missing children fund he wanted to establish in Caylee's name.

A copy of the letter he is sending out is linked here.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/alan-grayson-none-of-the-500000-going-to-cindy-and-george/


imo

[Sandy001]

The reason why I don't believe this occurred is, why would they call 911 in a panic and then attempt to run him down. They were looking for the sheriffs to arrive. Makes a lot of sense to me. Eh?
JMO

Color me a tad confused. I hope you mean that you don't believe she tried to run George down.

[Sandy001]

Here is an odd thought...MAYBE the Milsteads are the "Amber Fry" of this whole thing with the Anthony's. Like turning States Evidence or something.

Just a passing thought and probably way off base.

IMO
K
I don't think so either and Amber also had the audio tapes that backed up everything she testified to. I don't believe that G&C thought for a minute that someone would see them pull up the cross. They were seen and that really p'd them off. And you KNOW what happens if you don't believe or cross the Anthonys!!!

[Pam1569]

Oh, Baden and Lyon. I missed a few posts there, Pam.
Thanx. Whats wrong with me today.:blushing:

Dianna, Nothing is wrong with you. Everything in this case just keeps getting more and more frustrating with all these delays with the civil and criminal case. :sneaky:

[trich]

I feel like I am bugging you too much. But.......why would they need to depose a witness? I understand certain circumstances like a witness is too far away or a child. Is it just to make sure that they know what the witness will say and to make sure they don't change thier story?

Isn't there a saying in the law:

Goes something like:
Don't ask any question that you don't already know the answer to.

?????

[desmom]

New Anthony Attorney To Formally Enter Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/19668661/detail.html

Lyon said her first priority will be to prove the evidence against Casey Anthony does not warrant the state seeking the death penalty.

[Daffodil]

Isn't there a saying in the law:

Goes something like:
Don't ask any question that you don't already know the answer to.

?????



I have always heard that. It's a good thing to keep in the back of my head even though I'm not a layer

[Sun]

New Anthony Attorney To Formally Enter Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/19668661/detail.html

Lyon said her first priority will be to prove the evidence against Casey Anthony does not warrant the state seeking the death penalty.

JMO, that is her only priority. I think that Baez is using Lyon, just as he used Lenamon.

[enigma™]

New Anthony Attorney To Formally Enter Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/19668661/detail.html

Lyon said her first priority will be to prove the evidence against Casey Anthony does not warrant the state seeking the death penalty.

From the article: "In a motion, Chicago attorney Andrea Lyon included a copy of her bar certificate from the state of Michigan".

Michigan? I thought she practiced in IL, or does she have certificates from several states?

[ANSWERS]

The prints were taken immediately to rule them out should there be any prints on the evidence found at the scene. LE will not know if there are any until they analyze the evidence. IIRC there has been a report saying there were no latent prints on the duct tape. JMO

Hi everyone - first post here. Been lurking for a while, but wanted to comment on this one.

I did read where it said no latent prints, which raised a flag in my mind.

Latent prints are non visible prints. What they did not say was anything about "impressed prints" or "patent prints." My guess would be there were some patent prints (impression left on the sticky or maybe even in blood or other medium which was visible at examination.

[CelticDawn]

Isn't there a saying in the law:

Goes something like:
Don't ask any question that you don't already know the answer to.

?????

Unfortunately....for SOME people, the truth CHANGES...Like the Anthonys for example?....


Prosecutors need to LOCK their witnesses into their statements when prepping a case....People change their minds about testifying....about what they believe.....lots of reasons.....IF they are going to lie, they had better get their lies straight in that deposition and KEEP their lies straight when they get on the stand.

[trich]

I get SO SICK of watching these people play LE and everybody with any authority to shut them down......

BUT, after growing up around and being in what some might call a LE family,....I take some comfort in KNOWING that for every badA** in the world, there is somebody that they WILL offend that is BADDER and will one day do something about them.

Sad state of affairs, but that is the world of crimminals. :mad:

This is why I stated in another thread(Is casey getting special treatment) that IMO it is the Anthonys that are getting special treatment.
Seems like their bad behavior just gets worse and worse and they are never held accountable.
Yes I know that seems to be the way of the Anthonys...their attitude is that they are ENTITLED.
But why does LE seem to feel the same way?

[sydney]

[QUOTE=msgatorslayer;13171232]G'morning!!
This is why she writes her 'My Caylee is Missing' mypost post on the same day.

[QUOTE]

snipped by me. if you guys have discussed this, i apologize but it's really hard to keep up with you.

iirc cindy said in her post that she did all kinds of things for caylee, (seems to me she was insinuating she took better care of that child than casey) including paying her medical bills.

however, in her depo she said she never paid any medical bills for caylee.

anyone remember that?

[101Spots]

New Anthony Attorney To Formally Enter Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/19668661/detail.html

Lyon said her first priority will be to prove the evidence against Casey Anthony does not warrant the state seeking the death penalty.

Soooooooo....... Here's a dumb question.

Say she writes up something like Lenamon did.

Does she expect the state to just say, "Well, dang, Ms. Lyon, you're right! We'll just go for LWOP. Thanks for bringing that to our attention."

Or does she expect the judge to say, "Tsk, tsk, Prosecution. Take the DP off the table and don't pull that one on me again."

Or does she wait for the penalty phase of the trial, ship out her brief [which never seem to be very ~brief~ if you get my drift], toss it at the jury, and say, "LWOP! LWOP! Repeat after me: LWOP!"

Or does the prosecution just read and laugh?

Since LE put the DP back on the table, I can't imagine they would be easily swayed to take it off again. What's the point of rushing to do this "first priority" if it won't be looked at until later?

Sorry - I'm having a hard time understanding why it's a first priority kinda thing.

Or maybe Bozo told her that's all she can do in *his* case?

:confused:

[Sandy001]

Here's an interview with George - remember the George who never goes over to Suburban?) where he claims the original memorial was starting to "snell." It also states that the memorial was NOT on private property.

You can see the drop down from teh road and it's easy to see how that bag could have possibly been partially under water

[CelticDawn]

This is why I stated in another thread(Is casey getting special treatment) that IMO it is the Anthonys that are getting special treatment.
Seems like their bad behavior just gets worse and worse and they are never held accountable.
Yes I know that seems to be the way of the Anthonys...their attitude is that they are ENTITLED.
But why does LE seem to feel the same way?

I have talked to lots of people about this case....LE,,, attorneys, etc.....even clergy....and
Some believe that they(LE) are circumventing the Sunshine Law (which can REALLY mess up a case in some opinions)....and that they are giving the whole lot enough rope to hang themselves.

Some think that they just have so little to work with because GEORGE and some of the people with which he asociates are just as conniving as the OCSD and DID get rid of more evidence than we know.

I PERSONALLY think that some of it is ineptness.....sloppiness (as per cain)....and trying to save face because the remains werent found sooner because of said ineptness and sloppiness.

[Katprint]

Hi everyone - first post here. Been lurking for a while, but wanted to comment on this one.

I did read where it said no latent prints, which raised a flag in my mind.

Latent prints are non visible prints. What they did not say was anything about "impressed prints" or "patent prints." My guess would be there were some patent prints (impression left on the sticky or maybe even in blood or other medium which was visible at examination.
Respectfully, my recollection of the FBI Latent Print lab report is completely different from yours and Lapis'. I thought the lab said they first performed a close visual inspection of the duct tape looking for patent i.e. visible-to-the-naked-eye fingerprints, and that was when they discovered the sticker adhesive in the shape of a heart. I thought the lab was intending to perform additional tests to discover any latent i.e. invisible-to-the-naked-eye fingerprints.

I recall decades ago when the Los Angeles police were hunting "The Night Stalker" (Richard Ramirez), they used a special procedure where latent prints were enhanced by using vaporized Super Glue inside a hermetically sealed tent. The results were far superior to the ordinary fingerprint dusting powder generally in use at that time. I am not sure what the latest state-of-the-art technique is now - maybe something involving varying light wavelengths and computer analysis. However, I know for certain that there have been technological advances in making invisible traces become visible.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[*MoonRider*]

Hi everyone - first post here. Been lurking for a while, but wanted to comment on this one.

I did read where it said no latent prints, which raised a flag in my mind.

Latent prints are non visible prints. What they did not say was anything about "impressed prints" or "patent prints." My guess would be there were some patent prints (impression left on the sticky or maybe even in blood or other medium which was visible at examination.

Welcome to the boards. :seeya: I sure hope you are right.

[Unleashed]

Hi everyone - first post here. Been lurking for a while, but wanted to comment on this one.

I did read where it said no latent prints, which raised a flag in my mind.

Latent prints are non visible prints. What they did not say was anything about "impressed prints" or "patent prints." My guess would be there were some patent prints (impression left on the sticky or maybe even in blood or other medium which was visible at examination.

Thank you and welcome, ANSWERS. :seeya:


You beat me to my question, I was just going to google for the difference. :thumbup:

[saywhat04]

If she was, the babys afraid to come out.

..... :lol: .....

[Unleashed]

Simple yes or no question from a not-knowing Canadian.
Do Sunshine laws only apply to crimes against children?

TIA

jmo

[saywhat04]

Did Baez really say "You will learn to respect me?" If so, did he say how long it would take? I don't respect him yet, and wonder when it will be that I lose my mind and respect him. I need to reserve a room in a mental hospital in anticipation of respecting him. :scared:TIA

..... :laugh: .....

[KP1935]

I recall decades ago when the Los Angeles police were hunting "The Night Stalker" (Richard Ramirez), they used a special procedure where latent prints were enhanced by using vaporized Super Glue inside a hermetically sealed tent.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

This sounds like what Eddie Murphy did in the first Beverly Hills Cop, inside a turtles habitat. He used a glue cap and found fingerprints on a matchbook, but hey, that's just the movies! :laugh:

[AMS]

Simple yes or no question from a not-knowing Canadian.
Do Sunshine laws only apply to crimes against children?

TIA

jmo

From a not-knowing American who had to look it up.....NO.

The Florida Sunshine Law is a series of laws designed to guarantee that the public has access to the public records of governmental bodies in Florida.

http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Florida_Sunshine_Law

We are going to Canada on vacation this summer...maybe I'll see you. I'll look for a blogger...

imo

[shelkobe]

Simple yes or no question from a not-knowing Canadian.
Do Sunshine laws only apply to crimes against children?

TIA

jmo
No, Sunshine Laws have nothing to do with a particular case, but are designed to provide more openness and transparency in gov't. as a whole.

[Barbara fl.]

Simple yes or no question from a not-knowing Canadian.
Do Sunshine laws only apply to crimes against children?

TIA

jmo



Good afternoon all,

No, Sunshine Laws are for everything that comes to trial....The laws do not apply to cases settled out of court....only if it is intended to go to trial .....


I happen to love Florida's Sunshine Laws.....

[ttcRider]

Simple yes or no question from a not-knowing Canadian.
Do Sunshine laws only apply to crimes against children?

TIA

jmo

good question Un! clap clap clap! :thumbup:

[ladeebug565]

Good morning all. Glad the board survived some afternoon turbulence yesterday. :wink:

I have never seen anything from Mallory either. This has been bothering me for some reason. Mallory has been a major part of the Ant family. I would think she would have lots of info to share. As LKL says - WEIRD.

imo

The Anthony's haven't figured out a way to pin this on Mallory yet. We'll hear more about her when they do.

[Daffodil]

This is why I stated in another thread(Is casey getting special treatment) that IMO it is the Anthonys that are getting special treatment.
Seems like their bad behavior just gets worse and worse and they are never held accountable.
Yes I know that seems to be the way of the Anthonys...their attitude is that they are ENTITLED.
But why does LE seem to feel the same way?



I never looked at it like they were getting special treatment. I'm sure there are some special folders with their names on them that LE has. that is why it doesn't really bother me. But if they get away with it...........................then we need to find out why.

I would be very, very upset if they were not charged for all the laws they broke.

[Sandy001]

Here's an interview with George - remember the George who never goes over to Suburban?) where he claims the original memorial was starting to "snell." It also states that the memorial was NOT on private property.

You can see the drop down from teh road and it's easy to see how that bag could have possibly been partially under water

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/052709caylee_memorial_taken_down

forgive me for forgetting the link. Old Timers disease

[CelticDawn]

OMG! WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

children are constantly being brutalized!!...neglected!!!.....


Down here...I just heard about an 8 YEAR OLD that was SHOT and NOT TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL FOR 2 DAYS (until he "complained"!!!
http://www.wdsu.com/news/19667668/detail.html

There HAS TO be a way to tell when parents are just total FREAKS and have them FIXED before they reproduce!!!! :mad: :sad:

oh the FRUSTRATION of it all!!!!!

I guess I am just too wimpish and sensitive but....**!!**

[Daffodil]

[QUOTE=msgatorslayer;13171232]G'morning!!
This is why she writes her 'My Caylee is Missing' mypost post on the same day.

[QUOTE]

snipped by me. if you guys have discussed this, i apologize but it's really hard to keep up with you.

iirc cindy said in her post that she did all kinds of things for caylee, (seems to me she was insinuating she took better care of that child than casey) including paying her medical bills.

however, in her depo she said she never paid any medical bills for caylee.

anyone remember that?


I do remember it but not exactly. In Cindy's mind..."medical bills" are not the same thing as "medical insurance". So she probably has both Casey and Caylle covered one way or another. And she probably pays that. Since we have heard that Caylee was never sick, there were probably only bills for physicals and well visits if they even did those. For some reason, I don't think they did. After all, Cindy was a nurse, what could be better than that?

[seeing_eye]

snipped by me. if you guys have discussed this, i apologize but it's really hard to keep up with you.

iirc cindy said in her post that she did all kinds of things for caylee, (seems to me she was insinuating she took better care of that child than casey) including paying her medical bills.

however, in her depo she said she never paid any medical bills for caylee.

anyone remember that?

Yes, I remember that. It was one of many, many, many, many (too many to count) blatant and outright lies that has come from Cindy's mouth.

[Pam1569]

Respectfully, my recollection of the FBI Latent Print lab report is completely different from yours and Lapis'. I thought the lab said they first performed a close visual inspection of the duct tape looking for patent i.e. visible-to-the-naked-eye fingerprints, and that was when they discovered the sticker adhesive in the shape of a heart. I thought the lab was intending to perform additional tests to discover any latent i.e. invisible-to-the-naked-eye fingerprints.

I recall decades ago when the Los Angeles police were hunting "The Night Stalker" (Richard Ramirez), they used a special procedure where latent prints were enhanced by using vaporized Super Glue inside a hermetically sealed tent. The results were far superior to the ordinary fingerprint dusting powder generally in use at that time. I am not sure what the latest state-of-the-art technique is now - maybe something involving varying light wavelengths and computer analysis. However, I know for certain that there have been technological advances in making invisible traces become visible.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Hi Katprint, I tried to find the first report about no visible prints but couldn't locate it. But I did find the one to where they found no latent prints belonging to George, Cindy or Lee. But no mention of not finding OC's latent prints.

Page 55 and 56
http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740657/detail.html

[CelticDawn]

Good afternoon all,

No, Sunshine Laws are for everything that comes to trial....The laws do not apply to cases settled out of court....only if it is intended to go to trial .....


I happen to love Florida's Sunshine Laws.....

I think the Sunshine Laws are good in most cases,....but LE Prosecutors are sometimes SHACKLED by these laws.....The CRIMMINALS will use EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK when they are being investigated and will use every resource....be they public connections to street thugs to get off.....whereas THE GOOD GUYS have to show their hand!

I admit I LOVE knowing things about this case thanks to the sunshine Laws but I also see that downside.

[kjt200]

I have a question for our outstanding attorneys......................

Is there a maximum time limit for a trial to begin in the defense waives the right to a speedy trial?

I mean geez.............................Can the defense add and subtract attorneys, delay depositions, file and file and file additional motions and keep the trial at bay for what? 1 year? 2? 5? forever? When and how does the clock actually stop on trial delays?

Thanks for answering my question............Oh,,happy birthday Cindy, maybe you can wish for a big ole dose of honesty on your special day...................

[ladeebug565]

I see LE is going to interview the Ant's in the cross-stealing, car-chasing event. What are people's thoughts on what will happen to the Ant's?


imo

My thoughts....I can't understand why they would be upset that people are erecting mini-monuments to their murdered grandchild. What is their purpose in removing the items? Well, for starters, they want to control all-things-Caylee for their fake foundation. There is no money to be made on strangers (and I use the term loosely with Lois and Dakota) paying tribute to Caylee. If people want to pay tribute, the Anthony's want to be able to get a few schillings from it lest they need to return to work. Another reason, they don't want to be reminded just how close to their home that dear little baby's remains were found. :sneaky:

[cassidy]

[QUOTE=sydney;13171895][QUOTE=msgatorslayer;13171232]G'morning!!
This is why she writes her 'My Caylee is Missing' mypost post on the same day.




I do remember it but not exactly. In Cindy's mind..."medical bills" are not the same thing as "medical insurance". So she probably has both Casey and Caylle covered one way or another. And she probably pays that. Since we have heard that Caylee was never sick, there were probably only bills for physicals and well visits if they even did those. For some reason, I don't think they did. After all, Cindy was a nurse, what could be better than that?

Wonder if we will ever hear from Caylee's pediatrician? He/she would know who paid for Caylee's well baby visits, what kind of insurance they had and who actually took Caylee to the appointments.

JMO

[sydney]

[QUOTE=sydney;13171895][QUOTE=msgatorslayer;13171232]G'morning!!
This is why she writes her 'My Caylee is Missing' mypost post on the same day.




I do remember it but not exactly. In Cindy's mind..."medical bills" are not the same thing as "medical insurance". So she probably has both Casey and Caylle covered one way or another. And she probably pays that. Since we have heard that Caylee was never sick, there were probably only bills for physicals and well visits if they even did those. For some reason, I don't think they did. After all, Cindy was a nurse, what could be better than that?

who paid the hospital and doctor bills for when casey was pregnant? i mean, if casey was "working", one would think she had insurance to cover it. does anyone know? i had thought that was what cindy was referring to, but i could be wrong.

did cindy consider herself a nurse? i thought she was a nurse manager (managing nurses, not actually being one).

thanks.

[Sandy001]

[QUOTE=sydney;13171895][QUOTE=msgatorslayer;13171232]G'morning!!
This is why she writes her 'My Caylee is Missing' mypost post on the same day.




I do remember it but not exactly. In Cindy's mind..."medical bills" are not the same thing as "medical insurance". So she probably has both Casey and Caylle covered one way or another. And she probably pays that. Since we have heard that Caylee was never sick, there were probably only bills for physicals and well visits if they even did those. For some reason, I don't think they did. After all, Cindy was a nurse, what could be better than that? I don't know FL laws on Medicaid or welfare, but I know you can't get either here unless you reveal the name of the father (so the county can go after the father for the expenses. Cindy was hell bent on Caylee NOT having a father (I think she wanted Caylee all to herself), Cindy would obviously had to be willing to pay for those things herself. I don't know if she could put Caylee on her insurance as she didn't have custody or guardianship of Caylee - she just had POSSESSION of the child.

[CelticDawn]

My thoughts....I can't understand why they would be upset that people are erecting mini-monuments to their murdered grandchild. What is their purpose in removing the items? Well, for starters, they want to control all-things-Caylee for their fake foundation. There is no money to be made on strangers (and I use the term loosely with Lois and Dakota) paying tribute to Caylee. If people want to pay tribute, the Anthony's want to be able to get a few schillings from it lest they need to return to work. Another reason, they don't want to be reminded just how close to their home that dear little baby's remains were found. :sneaky:

I admit....this is cruel....but BECAUSE OF HOW THEY ACT AND WHAT THEY DO....I believe they NEED to be reminded of just how close Caylee's remains were to THEIR HOME every single day until they stop acting like a**** and start thinking about what is right and seeking justice for the one that they (the SUPERIOR ONES) FAILED TO PROTECT.....They need to KNOW that DESPITE THEIR IRREVERENCE.....PEOPLE ARE THINKING OF CAYLEE ....AND THAT THEY ARE NOT the center of attention.

end-rant.

[Unleashed]

From a not-knowing American who had to look it up.....NO.

The Florida Sunshine Law is a series of laws designed to guarantee that the public has access to the public records of governmental bodies in Florida.

http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Florida_Sunshine_Law

We are going to Canada on vacation this summer...maybe I'll see you. I'll look for a blogger...

imo

Thanks for the info, AMS and all who answered, it just sounded like something that would be developed for children. Everytime I see it I think of Caylee singing.:crying:

While you're here visiting, I'm easy to find. I'll be the one in the Igloo.:wink:

jmo

[margaritaville]

My thoughts....I can't understand why they would be upset that people are erecting mini-monuments to their murdered grandchild. What is their purpose in removing the items? Well, for starters, they want to control all-things-Caylee for their fake foundation. There is no money to be made on strangers (and I use the term loosely with Lois and Dakota) paying tribute to Caylee. If people want to pay tribute, the Anthony's want to be able to get a few schillings from it lest they need to return to work. Another reason, they don't want to be reminded just how close to their home that dear little baby's remains were found. :sneaky:


Hummm. i think it is much simpler then that. i think they don't like it because they want everyone to forget about Caylee and start paying more attention to Casey.

Remember at Caylee's memorial what George said? that proved it to me.....

Quote:
Casey deserves prayer. She deserves understanding, she deserves love [and] she deserves letters. Take the time to write a letter to her. It could just say, "Hi Casey, I am thinking about you today." If you can do it for me, I would love it if you could do it for my son, for Cindy [and] if you can do it for Caylee."

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/hundreds-gather-for-caylee-anthony-memorial-service.html

[ttcRider]

Thanks for the info, AMS, it just sounded like something that would be developed for children. Everytime I see it I think of Caylee singing.:crying:

While you're here visiting, I'm easy to find. I'll be the one in the Igloo.:wink:

Don't mind her bears, they're really friendly. :wink:

[margaritaville]

[QUOTE=Daffodil;13171998][QUOTE=sydney;13171895]

who paid the hospital and doctor bills for when casey was pregnant? i mean, if casey was "working", one would think she had insurance to cover it. does anyone know? i had thought that was what cindy was referring to, but i could be wrong.

did cindy consider herself a nurse? i thought she was a nurse manager (managing nurses, not actually being one).

thanks.

Was she on medical assistance back then?

If not maybe she had her and was billed for it and just never paid it??

JMO

[martha]

I admit....this is cruel....but BECAUSE OF HOW THEY ACT AND WHAT THEY DO....I believe they NEED to be reminded of just how close Caylee's remains were to THEIR HOME every single day until they stop acting like a**** and start thinking about what is right and seeking justice for the one that they (the SUPERIOR ONES) FAILED TO PROTECT.....They need to KNOW that DESPITE THEIR IRREVERENCE.....PEOPLE ARE THINKING OF CAYLEE ....AND THAT THEY ARE NOT the center of attention.

end-rant.You or such a smart lady and I T A with you on all your post. Sometime I just can;t post what I really think it would get me banned for good. I am so sick of the an;s and the lawyers for casey why do they want to defend a person like casey? I would never defend a child killer. jmho

[Unleashed]

Don't mind her bears, they're really friendly. :wink:

Polar bears, eh?

How are we celebrating the big BD??

jmo

[sydney]

[QUOTE=sydney;13172014][QUOTE=Daffodil;13171998]

Was she on medical assistance back then?

If not maybe she had her and was billed for it and just never paid it??

JMO

that's what i don't know. what i'm trying to say is, if casey had no medical insurance through her job, wouldn't that kinda hint that she wasn't working? i believe most people enjoy that benefit through their employer (at least back then). i guess the argument could be made that casey elected not to take it, but that would have been irresponsible, seeing as how she was pregnant and all.

anyone know?

tia

[Chardonnay]

Hummm. i think it is much simpler then that. i think they don't like it because they want everyone to forget about Caylee and start paying more attention to Casey.

Remember at Caylee's memorial what George said? that proved it to me.....

Quote:
Casey deserves prayer. She deserves understanding, she deserves love [and] she deserves letters. Take the time to write a letter to her. It could just say, "Hi Casey, I am thinking about you today." If you can do it for me, I would love it if you could do it for my son, for Cindy [and] if you can do it for Caylee."

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/hundreds-gather-for-caylee-anthony-memorial-service.html

I don't know how to "bold", but that was down right disgusting for GA say what he did. Many things said at Caylee's memorial were disgusting.

[martha]

My thoughts....I can't understand why they would be upset that people are erecting mini-monuments to their murdered grandchild. What is their purpose in removing the items? Well, for starters, they want to control all-things-Caylee for their fake foundation. There is no money to be made on strangers (and I use the term loosely with Lois and Dakota) paying tribute to Caylee. If people want to pay tribute, the Anthony's want to be able to get a few schillings from it lest they need to return to work. Another reason, they don't want to be reminded just how close to their home that dear little baby's remains were found. :sneaky:I can;t understand it. why would you care if someone was setting up a mem.for your grandchild that had been murdered? I would love for other people to be thinking about my child.I would be so prowd they loved her and thought about her. I did not like g any more after I seen him throw out things sent to caylee. Most people would just be thankful for the love everyone is showing for Caylee. no g and c and lee want everyone to believe casey and help get her out of jail and send them money.jmho

[ladeebug565]

[QUOTE=sydney;13171895][QUOTE=msgatorslayer;13171232]G'morning!!
This is why she writes her 'My Caylee is Missing' mypost post on the same day.




I do remember it but not exactly. In Cindy's mind..."medical bills" are not the same thing as "medical insurance". So she probably has both Casey and Caylle covered one way or another. And she probably pays that. Since we have heard that Caylee was never sick, there were probably only bills for physicals and well visits if they even did those. For some reason, I don't think they did. After all, Cindy was a nurse, what could be better than that?

I haven't seen many employer-sponsored medical policies that cover grandchildren unless the grandparent has legal guardianship. Will Caylee's medical records come to light? Casey said that she never even had a cold, very healthy child. Could it be that she didn't get well-baby check-ups and vaccinations?

[sydney]

[QUOTE=Daffodil;13171998][QUOTE=sydney;13171895]

I haven't seen many employer-sponsored medical policies that cover grandchildren unless the grandparent has legal guardianship. Will Caylee's medical records come to light? Casey said that she never even had a cold, very healthy child. Could it be that she didn't get well-baby check-ups and vaccinations?

begs the question, again - did casey have medical insurance through her employer? one would think that, if she did, her child would be covered. if she had no medical insurance: 1. who paid those bills and 2. wouldn't that have been a clue that she really wasn't working?

[ladeebug565]

[QUOTE=margaritaville;13172042][QUOTE=sydney;13172014]

that's what i don't know. what i'm trying to say is, if casey had no medical insurance through her job, wouldn't that kinda hint that she wasn't working? i believe most people enjoy that benefit through their employer (at least back then). i guess the argument could be made that casey elected not to take it, but that would have been irresponsible, seeing as how she was pregnant and all.

anyone know?

tia

I checked Universal's website and they offer a very nice benefit package, including health, life and dependent life insurance, and child care. Too bad that Casey didn't work there. Sounds like a pretty good employer.

[CelticDawn]

Hey

Is today Cindy's Birthday...???


Maybe we should send her E-Cards.
show that we fat maggoty lazy bloggers with no life are really decent people.......?????

[sydney]

[QUOTE=sydney;13172062][QUOTE=margaritaville;13172042]

I checked Universal's website and they offer a very nice benefit package, including health, life and dependent life insurance, and child care. Too bad that Casey didn't work there. Sounds like a pretty good employer.

(i don't know why my name showed up when i was quoting you).....so, why do you suppose cindy never asked why casey would have to hire a nanny when universal had all those great benefits? why do you think cindy wouldn't have even asked if universal provided any benefits at all? did cindy really not care what casey did with that child, even though she seems to act like she was the REAL mother? whenever my kid got a job, i sure would ask them if the benefits were good, at the very least.

all these questions we'll never get answers to, i guess

[Barbara fl.]

[QUOTE=ladeebug565;13172068][QUOTE=Daffodil;13171998]

begs the question, again - did casey have medical insurance through her employer? one would think that, if she did, her child would be covered. if she had no medical insurance: 1. who paid those bills and 2. wouldn't that have been a clue that she really wasn't working?

Not necessarily, medical coverage for yourself and a child is very expensive and if her job was just taking pictures of tourists, she could not have been making to much money, it probably would have taken almost her whole paycheck for coverage...So Cindy probably foot the bill for Caylee's shots as well as for everything else....I bet she never asked Casey for a cent.....

But ME, I would have known if my child (who lived in the same house as me) hadn't worked in 2 years....She would have been contributing something.....and what about the taxes....Casey was entitled to the earned income credit, so she would have received a refund each year of Caylee's life....I would expect Cindy to have at least inquired about it......the whole thing is so weird.....and hard to understand.....

[CelticDawn]

[QUOTE=sydney;13172086][QUOTE=ladeebug565;13172068]

Not necessarily, medical coverage for yourself and a child is very expensive and if her job was just taking pictures of tourists, she could not have been making to much money, it probably would have taken almost her whole paycheck for coverage...So Cindy probably foot the bill for Caylee's shots as well as for everything else....I bet she never asked Casey for a cent.....

But ME, I would have known if my child (who lived in the same house as me) hadn't worked in 2 years....She would have been contributing something.....and what about the taxes....Casey was entitled to the earned income credit, so she would have received a refund each year of Caylee's life....I would expect Cindy to have at least inquired about it......the whole thing is so weird.....and hard to understand.....

I understand ONE THING about these people.

THEY LIE.

no matter what.

[Barbara fl.]

Hey

Is today Cindy's Birthday...???


Maybe we should send her E-Cards.
show that we fat maggoty lazy bloggers with no life are really decent people.......?????



Yah, I'll send her a birthday card alright....I just can not find one that is fitting enough....:sneaky:

[sydney]

But ME, I would have known if my child (who lived in the same house as me) hadn't worked in 2 years....She would have been contributing something.....and what about the taxes....Casey was entitled to the earned income credit, so she would have received a refund each year of Caylee's life....I would expect Cindy to have at least inquired about it......the whole thing is so weird.....and hard to understand.....

(we're having quote problems again).

i agree. i can't understand why g&c knew and asked NOTHING about casey and caylee's doings.

[Edith2]

Yah, I'll send her a birthday card alright....I just can not find one that is fitting enough....:sneaky:

How about "Hellmark" cards? When you don't care enough, send the very worst :wink:

[Barbara fl.]

(we're having quote problems again).

i agree. i can't understand why g&c knew and asked NOTHING about casey and caylee's doings.


Your right....what's going on with our posts, my name is on some that I didn't post and teh posts I am answering are not the same poster's? :laugh:...

I sure hope everyone stay's on topic and don't get us banned by mistake....:wink:

[sydney]

How about "Hellmark" cards? When you don't care enough, send the very worst :wink:

:laugh: LOVE IT

[Lapis]

[QUOTE=sydney;13172062][QUOTE=margaritaville;13172042]

I checked Universal's website and they offer a very nice benefit package, including health, life and dependent life insurance, and child care. Too bad that Casey didn't work there. Sounds like a pretty good employer.

It would seem to me that it may depend upon your position. Somehow I doubt they pay the kids who operate the rides during the summer benefits. JMO

[sydney]

It would seem to me that it may depend upon your position. Somehow I doubt they pay the kids who operate the rides during the summer benefits. JMO

(i hope i'm quoting the right person)

but didn't casey insinuate that she had an executive-type position - event planner or something like that?

please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

thanks.

[penguinlady]

[QUOTE=margaritaville;13172042][QUOTE=sydney;13172014]

that's what i don't know. what i'm trying to say is, if casey had no medical insurance through her job, wouldn't that kinda hint that she wasn't working? i believe most people enjoy that benefit through their employer (at least back then). i guess the argument could be made that casey elected not to take it, but that would have been irresponsible, seeing as how she was pregnant and all.

anyone know?

tia

I know when I was that age (many moons ago!) if I worked a job that offered insurance and I had to pay for it, I didn't get it. I would rather have the money because at 21,22,23 you don't think of getting sick enough to use it.

I am sure that Universal offers insurance but it might not be free.

IMO
K!

[sydney]

I know when I was that age (many moons ago!) if I worked a job that offered insurance and I had to pay for it, I didn't get it. I would rather have the money because at 21,22,23 you don't think of getting sick enough to use it.

I am sure that Universal offers insurance but it might not be free.

IMO
K!

i agree with you there but, would you have gotten it if you had a child and lived at home with your folks? i would have.

[Unleashed]

Yah, I'll send her a birthday card alright....I just can not find one that is fitting enough....:sneaky:


Good thing it's not the OC's BD, nothing fits her much anymore.:wink:

imo

[ANSWERS]

Respectfully, my recollection of the FBI Latent Print lab report is completely different from yours and Lapis'. I thought the lab said they first performed a close visual inspection of the duct tape looking for patent i.e. visible-to-the-naked-eye fingerprints, and that was when they discovered the sticker adhesive in the shape of a heart. I thought the lab was intending to perform additional tests to discover any latent i.e. invisible-to-the-naked-eye fingerprints.

<snipped>

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

My point was they didn't say there wern't any Patent or Plastic (a friction ridge impression from a finger or palm <or toe/foot> deposited in a material that retains the shape of the ridge detail) prints.

Many times what is not said by the FBI is more important than what they do release.

[breezie]

[QUOTE=Daffodil;13171998][QUOTE=sydney;13171895]

who paid the hospital and doctor bills for when casey was pregnant? i mean, if casey was "working", one would think she had insurance to cover it. does anyone know? i had thought that was what cindy was referring to, but i could be wrong.

did cindy consider herself a nurse? i thought she was a nurse manager (managing nurses, not actually being one).

thanks.

Casey was working for Kodak/Color Vision when Caylee was born, so she could have had insurance. She stopped showing up for work (and was subsequently fired) a few months after Caylee was born.

[Lapis]

(i hope i'm quoting the right person)

but didn't casey insinuate that she had an executive-type position - event planner or something like that?

please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

thanks.

But when Caylee was born she worked taking pictures at the rides IIRC. In addition, the days of a company picking up the tab for you and your family are long gone. Nowadays, the employer pays a portion and you pay a portion and if you have a family you pick up the tab for your family. That can be expensive. JMO

[ANSWERS]

Sure, Cindy probably did pull out the "Grieving Grandmother" routine out of her bag of tricks. Why not? It's always worked before. I'd prefer to see her as the grieving arrested accomplice after the fact, or lying to LE, or interferring with an investigation, or destroying evidence, or obstructing justice or maybe all of them. But IMO it wouldn't matter because the cops think that "The Anthonys have been through enough.
TEFLON PEOPLE:cursing:

I don't believe LE feel like the Anthonys have been through enough, but are protecting their case. If the Anthonys are arrested on criminal charges, it puts them in the position to plead the 5th and I don't believe at this point LE can risk that. I would not mind Milstead being arrested for impersonating a police officer again though. There is nothing to prevent that.

[penguinlady]

i agree with you there but, would you have gotten it if you had a child and lived at home with your folks? i would have.

I did live with my parents off and on during that time and yes, I would have gotten insurance if I had a child. But if she didn't have it before she got pregnant then when she did get pregnant it would have been for a pre-existing condition and not usually covered.

Of course after Caylee was born the baby would have been covered.

IMO
K

[sydney]

But when Caylee was born she worked taking pictures at the rides IIRC. In addition, the days of a company picking up the tab for you and your family are long gone. Nowadays, the employer pays a portion and you pay a portion and if you have a family you pick up the tab for your family. That can be expensive. JMO

thanks. i didn't know the job situation but i sure am familiar with the insurance prices, even if the employer helps pay!

[sydney]

I did live with my parents off and on during that time and yes, I would have gotten insurance if I had a child. But if she didn't have it before she got pregnant then when she did get pregnant it would have been for a pre-existing condition and not usually covered.

Of course after Caylee was born the baby would have been covered.

IMO
K

i'm not sure about that - it used to be like that but things may have changed. like i didn't know that you could add your significant other to your insurance and not be married to them. at least that's what it's like in illinois here.

[penguinlady]

i'm not sure about that - it used to be like that but things may have changed. like i didn't know that you could add your significant other to your insurance and not be married to them. at least that's what it's like in illinois here.

Not here in Florida. At least not the company I (or dh) works at. I can't speak for all companies though!

IMO
K

[Chardonnay]

Was the question ever answered by a poster earlier, sorry forgot who, about if there is a time limit when this case will go to trial? Like 1-5 years, becuz of all the possible delays by the defense? Will the defense depose all of the state's witnesses?

[sydney]

But in Florida, if you are supoenaed as a witness at a criminal trial, you can't plead the Fifth because you are automatically given immunity from prosecution for anything you say under oath. It's FL law. IMO it would be better to go ahead and arrest them if there is cause, and they will get immunity for anything they say under oath, but not immunity from what evidence or statements made otherwise.

i'm not clear on this - if you are not arrested first, are subpoenaed and testify and perjure yourself, are you still protected from prosecution?

thanks.

[Lapis]

Was the question ever answered by a poster earlier, sorry forgot who, about if there is a time limit when this case will go to trial? Like 1-5 years, becuz of all the possible delays by the defense? Will the defense depose all of the state's witnesses?

The court will do status conferences from time to time to check on the process of the discovery. As long as the attorneys are working diligently on the discovery (and that does not mean 24/7) they will allow them the time they need to prepare their case. I suspect that they will attempt to depose all of the witnesses. JMO

[Chardonnay]

Thanks Lapis !

[CelticDawn]

I say THROW THEM IN JAIL and LOSE THEIR PAPERWORK!!!

....for at least 18 hours......

[need2no]

Hey

Is today Cindy's Birthday...???


Maybe we should send her E-Cards.
show that we fat maggoty lazy bloggers with no life are really decent people.......?????



:lol:

Yes, we are kind, despite her assessment of us bloggers....so in honor of Cindy on her day:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/BIRTHDAYHAT.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/Anthony-cindyHEADSHOT-1-1.gif

[ANSWERS]

I don't know how to "bold", but that was down right disgusting for GA say what he did. Many things said at Caylee's memorial were disgusting.

The ENTIRE memorial was disgusting to me. It showed such a total lack of caring and respect for Caylee which made me sick.

Their playing the KC apologists was so uncouth and disrespectful of Caylee. They have acted for a long time like they just want to forget about Caylee and turned their focus to getting KC off.

[ANSWERS]

But in Florida, if you are supoenaed as a witness at a criminal trial, you can't plead the Fifth because you are automatically given immunity from prosecution for anything you say under oath. It's FL law. IMO it would be better to go ahead and arrest them if there is cause, and they will get immunity for anything they say under oath, but not immunity from what evidence or statements made otherwise.

They are not given immunity from depositions if I read the statutes correctly. I am not sure about the "automatically given immunity from prosecution in the trial." If that were the case they would not have had their attorney trying to get them immunity from prosecution.

[coffee1950j]

How about "Hellmark" cards? When you don't care enough, send the very worst :wink:

I found QUITE a few here that I would LOVE to send her.

http://www.funegreets.com/insults/index.html

IMO, she deserves them all.

I actually loved the "3 wise monkeys" one.

[crimeq]

A couple of days ago a poster (can't remeember who) said they received a response from Representative Alan Grayson's office regarding the $500,000 missing children fund he wanted to establish in Caylee's name.

A copy of the letter he is sending out is linked here.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/alan-grayson-none-of-the-500000-going-to-cindy-and-george/


imo

I received that letter, too. Looks like lots of us wrote to Grayson :-) I still wish he wouldn't name it after Casey, though. He seems not to have gotten the point.

[breezie]

They are not given immunity from depositions if I read the statutes correctly. I am not sure about the "automatically given immunity from prosecution in the trial." If that were the case they would not have had their attorney trying to get them immunity from prosecution.

but they only get one chance, right? Baez already deposed Tony Lazzaro, so LKB or Lyons can't get a do-over, krect?

[Lapis]

I received that letter, too. Looks like lots of us wrote to Grayson :-) I still wish he wouldn't name it after Casey, though. He seems not to have gotten the point.

I don't understand what difference it makes. The funds will be going to LE to help with the problem. Given the number of missing children we have heard about just in the time this case has been pending seems like a good use of public funds. JMO

[Barbara fl.]

[QUOTE=sydney;13172062][QUOTE=margaritaville;13172042]

I know when I was that age (many moons ago!) if I worked a job that offered insurance and I had to pay for it, I didn't get it. I would rather have the money because at 21,22,23 you don't think of getting sick enough to use it.

I am sure that Universal offers insurance but it might not be free.

IMO
K!


If it's offered, it's not free.....if it was free, they would just give it...but like Lapis stated...I doubt that the small workers get any benefits....if they just run the rides etc., they wouldn't be able to afford medical in any case.....

[Barbara fl.]

I say THROW THEM IN JAIL and LOSE THEIR PAPERWORK!!!

....for at least 18 hours......



I love it.....:laugh:

[Sun]

For those here who are wondering about Casey last wages. And, I'm guessing that she didn't have any wages in the 3rd quarter of 2005, as she would have possibly been off for the birth of Caylee.

Event Imaging Solutions - 3201 e colonial dr, orlando fl
4th quarter 2005 Wages $1,408
1st quarter 2006 Wages $2,518

copies of amscot check cashing records work paychecks
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf

[Barbara fl.]

The ENTIRE memorial was disgusting to me. It showed such a total lack of caring and respect for Caylee which made me sick.

Their playing the KC apologists was so uncouth and disrespectful of Caylee. They have acted for a long time like they just want to forget about Caylee and turned their focus to getting KC off.



That's how I see it also, they have forgotten about little Caylee...They are probably blaming Caylee for the trouble Case is in.....That's just how sick they are.....

[Barbara fl.]

For those here who are wondering about Casey last wages. And, I'm guessing that she didn't have any wages in the 3rd quarter of 2005, as she would have possibly been off for the birth of Caylee.

Event Imaging Solutions - 3201 e colonial dr, orlando fl
4th quarter 2005 Wages $1,408
1st quarter 2006 Wages $2,518

copies of amscot check cashing records work paychecks
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf



So if we take the 1st quarter of 2006 (which is the largest amount and devide 12 weeks into 2518.00...Casey made aprox 200.00 per week....even if that was part time wages (30 hrs a wk), it would be minimum wage....so I doubt that she would have medical coverage for Caylee.....However with a wage such as this, she would have been entitled to the "earned income credit" at the end of the year, and would have received aprox 5,000.00,

Does anyone know if Cindy claimed Caylee as a dependent....(we know George didn't because he didn't work)....?

[Barbara fl.]

Hellllo....Is anyone here but me? Where did everyone go?

[penguinlady]

I'm here! I hate it when the board is slooooow :angry:

IMO!
K!

[Daffodil]

I received that letter, too. Looks like lots of us wrote to Grayson :-) I still wish he wouldn't name it after Casey, though. He seems not to have gotten the point.



I also received his letter. What concerns me is the fact that he said the money would not be going to her family. It would be going to a charity (can't remember exact wording). Does he reaize the A's have a foundation?

[True2Blues]

I found QUITE a few here that I would LOVE to send her.

http://www.funegreets.com/insults/index.html

IMO, she deserves them all.

I actually loved the "3 wise monkeys" one.

At least you can find it in your heart to want to send her a card! LOL

I just can't bring myself to care. The closest I can get is wondering how she'd take it if she knew my husband looked at a picture of her and thought she was in her early 60's, and I know that's just not nice. :sneaky:

[sammy62]

I received that letter, too. Looks like lots of us wrote to Grayson :-) I still wish he wouldn't name it after Casey, though. He seems not to have gotten the point.

my concern about this letter...it says nothing will go to c&g...but they are hiding behind kidfinders.:thumbdown:

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Sun
For those here who are wondering about Casey last wages. And, I'm guessing that she didn't have any wages in the 3rd quarter of 2005, as she would have possibly been off for the birth of Caylee.

Event Imaging Solutions - 3201 e colonial dr, orlando fl
4th quarter 2005 Wages $1,408
1st quarter 2006 Wages $2,518

copies of amscot check cashing records work paychecks
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf

So if we take the 1st quarter of 2006 (which is the largest amount and devide 12 weeks into 2518.00...Casey made aprox 200.00 per week....even if that was part time wages (30 hrs a wk), it would be minimum wage....so I doubt that she would have medical coverage for Caylee.....However with a wage such as this, she would have been entitled to the "earned income credit" at the end of the year, and would have received aprox 5,000.00,

Does anyone know if Cindy claimed Caylee as a dependent....(we know George didn't because he didn't work)....?

I've seen no "verified" info on just who may have claimed Caylee as a dependent. I do recall Cindy saying that she didn't, but we all know that she lies about everything. LOL

[crimeq]

Didn't Mitnik say he preferred not to do this via Telephone?:confused:
Or was that is respect to the hearing that day when (cough cough, clear throught) Conway called in sick.:sneaky:
JMO

I'm suspicious of Brad's sudden muscle spasm--but, giving him the benefit of the doubt--I've had some back problems, surgeries, pain, etc. and it's no fun. If in severe pain, I wouldn't want to do a phone session either, because I'd be concerned that I might not perform my best work.

[haveaniceday]

For those here who are wondering about Casey last wages. And, I'm guessing that she didn't have any wages in the 3rd quarter of 2005, as she would have possibly been off for the birth of Caylee.

Event Imaging Solutions - 3201 e colonial dr, orlando fl
4th quarter 2005 Wages $1,408
1st quarter 2006 Wages $2,518

copies of amscot check cashing records work paychecks
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf

There is a check written to Casey from Lee and Ruth Anthony.
Was Lee Married?????

[Sun]

There is a check written to Casey from Lee and Ruth Anthony.
Was Lee Married?????

Lee and Ruth are George's parents from Ft. Myers.

[Sun]

Did you also notice the forged check on Cindy's account, written and signed by Casey?

[haveaniceday]

Lee and Ruth are George's parents from Ft. Myers.

Thank you very much

[haveaniceday]

Did you also notice the forged check on Cindy's account, written and signed by Casey?
I thought the same thing.
Is it true?

[Lapis]

my concern about this letter...it says nothing will go to c&g...but they are hiding behind kidfinders.:thumbdown:

The money is going to an organization called "A Child is Missing". If you go to their website, they are a national organization. They work with LE to set up a phone network to help find children, the elderly and disabled. They have success stories dating back to 2002. The money will be used to set up the system in this congressman's district. The money is not going to kidfinders or the anthonys. JMO

[Chardonnay]

Did you also notice the forged check on Cindy's account, written and signed by Casey?

It just floors me how CA defends the OC, even after these 2 forged checks just days apart. I still think that's what the fight was about on Father's Day. I'd choke my daughter too if she stole from me and my family.

[Sun]

I thought the same thing.
Is it true?

Casey actually forged three of Cindy's checks, all within a few days. Amscot refused to cash the third one.

[CelticDawn]

It just floors me how CA defends the OC, even after these 2 forged checks just days apart. I still think that's what the fight was about on Father's Day. I'd choke my daughter too if she stole from me and my family.

Ya know....
I HATE theivery

I HATE lying


I REALLY REALLY hate people that would steal from family


I find it absolutely ABHORRENT that one would steal from OLD PEOPLE LIVING IN A RETIREMENT HOME!!!

Oh WTH....I cant stand casey OR her immediate family!!!

[Sun]

There is also a few entries on what may be a credit card of Cindy's. Mostly for dining out, but I noticed a couple of entries the Western Union... and I wonder if that was Casey's way of stealing a little cash?

[Sandy001]

[QUOTE=Daffodil;13171998][QUOTE=sydney;13171895]

I haven't seen many employer-sponsored medical policies that cover grandchildren unless the grandparent has legal guardianship. Will Caylee's medical records come to light? Casey said that she never even had a cold, very healthy child. Could it be that she didn't get well-baby check-ups and vaccinations? I think that is quite possible. Casey doesn't strike me as a responsible parent. Could that be whiy Caylee wasn't in any preschool - no vaccinations? I don't think Caylee had a lot of socialization skills - she was too isolated. She probably NEEDED some form of preschool

[Sandy001]

But in Florida, if you are supoenaed as a witness at a criminal trial, you can't plead the Fifth because you are automatically given immunity from prosecution for anything you say under oath. It's FL law. IMO it would be better to go ahead and arrest them if there is cause, and they will get immunity for anything they say under oath, but not immunity from what evidence or statements made otherwise.
But are you automatically granted immunity fromother crimes - like assault?

[Sandy001]

There is a check written to Casey from Lee and Ruth Anthony.
Was Lee Married????? I bbelieve those are George's parents

[Sandy001]

http://www.wesh.com/news/19668661/detail.html

Isn't it nice that Andrea has entered the case A WEEK AFTER she was allowed to speak in court?a Cart before the horse again.

[desmom]

New Casey Attorney Files Paperwork; Witness Being Re-Questioned
http://www.wftv.com/news/19670350/detail.html

New Anthony Attorney To Formally Enter Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/19668661/detail.html

Meanwhile, in the civil case against Casey Anthony, her lawyer is now asking the judge to delay the defamation case until after her death penalty trial is over.

[Daffodil]

[QUOTE=ladeebug565;13172068][QUOTE=Daffodil;13171998] I think that is quite possible. Casey doesn't strike me as a responsible parent. Could that be whiy Caylee wasn't in any preschool - no vaccinations? I don't think Caylee had a lot of socialization skills - she was too isolated. She probably NEEDED some form of preschool



As far as I know, she was too young for preschool. Preschool usually starts at 3 years old and she never made it to her 3rd birthday. We didn't need vaccination info for preschool but did need it for public kindergarden.

As far as not a lot of socialization skills, I know too little about her to make that call. The videos might lead you to that especially the breakfast one. But, come on, whoever was taping her didn't even interact with. And I think that is the problem. If they didn't interact with her on video what would make us believe they intereacted with her when the camera was off.


Boy the quoting is all messed up. Some quotes say they were by me and they weren't. Now it looks like I quoted myself but it was another poster that I was quoting.

[101Spots]

http://www.wesh.com/news/19668661/detail.html

Isn't it nice that Andrea has entered the case A WEEK AFTER she was allowed to speak in court?a Cart before the horse again.

Au contraire. Judge gave her a "Welcome to Florida" slapdown when she *tried* to talk.

:lol:

[sydney]

(i hope i'm not talking to myself - well, if i am, i'm sure i'll make sense to at least ONE person)

someone else and i (i am so bad at remembering names) were discussing this "casey had caylee as a result of a one night stand vs. not admitting to that and saying the father had died", blah blah blah.

if it is indeed true that the father had died, why was child paternity never established? and what about child support and insurance for the baby? here in ILL inois (thank you blago, for making me PROUD to live here) fathers not only have to pay support, but also carry the child on their insurance. not only that, they are required to carry a life insurance policy naming the child as beneficiary in case something happens to the father.

i forgot when they said he died, but i believe it was after caylee was born - not sure how long after. if i'm mistaken, please someone correct me. i still think the "father is dead" thing preserves the family "integrity" instead of admitting it was a one night stand. but part of me wonders, if it was a case of knowing the father and having a relationship with him, why didn't cindy (or casey) go after him to preserve caylee's rights?

anyone?

thanks.

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/news/19668661/detail.html

Isn't it nice that Andrea has entered the case A WEEK AFTER she was allowed to speak in court?a Cart before the horse again.

I noticed that Lyon didn't file papers on the day of the last court, like Baez said would be done. It was the following day. And, then a few days later, filed something supplemental to the court (don't quite know what that was about).

[Sun]

5/29/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED ANDREA D. LYON
5/29/2009 A NOTICE OF CERTIFICATION FILED
6/4/2009 A SUPPLEMENTAL TO VERIFIED MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE

Seems to me that whatever Lyon filed on 5/29, it wasn't complete enough for Judge Strickland.

[Sandy001]

New Casey Attorney Files Paperwork; Witness Being Re-Questioned
http://www.wftv.com/news/19670350/detail.html

New Anthony Attorney To Formally Enter Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/19668661/detail.html

Meanwhile, in the civil case against Casey Anthony, her lawyer is now asking the judge to delay the defamation case until after her death penalty trial is over.
The Judge has already deniedthat request at least once.

Personally, I don't think they should. ZG's damages occured long before the murder charges were leveled. Her damages were ongoing from that time. Why does SHE have to wait for justice while Casey and her team stalls? ZG's damages occurred with/without the murder charge - remember her damages stem from her being called a nanny and kidnapper. Maybe Baez should just go for that speedy trial - I wish Milstead could answer that motion by saying "Get off your posterior and get the trial over with."

I know - because Casey is SPECIAL and deserves special treatment. ZG is not claiming a wrongful death suit. She is claiming that her name was trashed because of what KC told the police in a missing child case, not a death case.

[Sun]

The Judge has already deniedthat request at least once.

Personally, I don't think they should. ZG's damages occured long before the murder charges were leveled. Her damages were ongoing from that time. Why does SHE have to wait for justice while Casey and her team stalls? ZG's damages occurred with/without the murder charge - remember her damages stem from her being called a nanny and kidnapper. Maybe Baez should just go for that speedy trial - I wish Milstead could answer that motion by saying "Get off your posterior and get the trial over with."

I know - because Casey is SPECIAL and deserves special treatment. ZG is not claiming a wrongful death suit. She is claiming that her name was trashed because of what KC told the police in a missing child case, not a death case.

chuckles... did you see the very last sentence? Guess that Kasen's isn't too good at getting a court date. LOL I'm going to start praying that Morgan/Mitnik can manage to get a much, much sooner court date squeezed in, so Judge Rodriguez can rule on all of the Compel to Answer Questions Motions.

[Sun]

I am wondering something. Casey earlier filed a counter-claim against ZG. Would ZG have any rights to a speed trial to hear this? Does it even work that way in a Civil Case?

[Neffy]

New Casey Attorney Files Paperwork; Witness Being Re-Questioned
http://www.wftv.com/news/19670350/detail.html

New Anthony Attorney To Formally Enter Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/19668661/detail.html

Meanwhile, in the civil case against Casey Anthony, her lawyer is now asking the judge to delay the defamation case until after her death penalty trial is over.

I thought Florida law did not permit for requestioning after a deposition was entered. I don't recall the terminology but a big deal was made of BAEZ not being DP qualified yet continued to give depos. Perhaps there is a time frame exclusion as this person gave a deposition before the DP was on the table. Hmmmm not sure.

[sydney]

I thought Florida law did not permit for requestioning after a deposition was entered. I don't recall the terminology but a big deal was made of BAEZ not being DP qualified yet continued to give depos. Perhaps there is a time frame exclusion as this person gave a deposition before the DP was on the table. Hmmmm not sure.

iirc, it is possible that they would have to be done over, because baez is not a death-qualified attorney.

anyone?

[Sun]

(i hope i'm not talking to myself - well, if i am, i'm sure i'll make sense to at least ONE person)

someone else and i (i am so bad at remembering names) were discussing this "casey had caylee as a result of a one night stand vs. not admitting to that and saying the father had died", blah blah blah.

if it is indeed true that the father had died, why was child paternity never established? and what about child support and insurance for the baby? here in ILL inois (thank you blago, for making me PROUD to live here) fathers not only have to pay support, but also carry the child on their insurance. not only that, they are required to carry a life insurance policy naming the child as beneficiary in case something happens to the father.

i forgot when they said he died, but i believe it was after caylee was born - not sure how long after. if i'm mistaken, please someone correct me. i still think the "father is dead" thing preserves the family "integrity" instead of admitting it was a one night stand. but part of me wonders, if it was a case of knowing the father and having a relationship with him, why didn't cindy (or casey) go after him to preserve caylee's rights?

anyone?

thanks.

For one, I don't believe anything that comes out of Casey's lips.

[sydney]

For one, I don't believe anything that comes out of Casey's lips.

agreed. but do you think she told this to g&c and they did not INSIST that she take him to court for paternity, etc, and just bought it lock, stock and barrel?

(nevermind - i realize what a stoopid question THAT was)

[Pruddennce]

(i hope i'm quoting the right person)

but didn't casey insinuate that she had an executive-type position - event planner or something like that?

please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

thanks.

she lied to everyone that she was an event planner. she had not worked since she abandoned her job. and she never had an executive/event planner position. she created and sent bogus emails to herself from her 'boss' regarding events she had to attend. (if Cindy questioned her about staying out all nite, she had her bogus emails to throw at her).

George, in one of his LE/FBI states he was suspicious of the emails. hindsight? or was there discussion in the home, challenging those emails, confronting her?

no one will ever know. they are all liars.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Sandy001]

chuckles... did you see the very last sentence? Guess that Kasen's isn't too good at getting a court date. LOL I'm going to start praying that Morgan/Mitnik can manage to get a much, much sooner court date squeezed in, so Judge Rodriguez can rule on all of the Compel to Answer Questions Motions. I do think that Casey is very superficial in choosing her attornies.


And....Casey's commissary account can be attached to pay a civil claim so there still may be a way for ZG to get some justice.

[Sun]

LE has interviewed LP, Rob Dick and Tracy, I believe. However, I don't recall ever seeing their interviews in the Discovery. Did I miss them somehow?

[Sandy001]

she lied to everyone that she was an event planner. she had not worked since she abandoned her job. and she never had an executive/event planner position. she created and sent bogus emails to herself from her 'boss' regarding events she had to attend. (if Cindy questioned her about staying out all nite, she had her bogus emails to throw at her).

George, in one of his LE/FBI states he was suspicious of the emails. hindsight? or was there discussion in the home, challenging those emails, confronting her?

no one will ever know. they are all liars.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....* I have to wonder. George DOES appear to tell the truth when he is under oath. That must really FRY Cindy - the one area where she doesn't control him.

[Sun]

agreed. but do you think she told this to g&c and they did not INSIST that she take him to court for paternity, etc, and just bought it lock, stock and barrel?

(nevermind - i realize what a stoopid question THAT was)

I wish I still had the link to this. The sheet that showed dates of all the 911 calls from the Anthony home. IIRC, there were at least four verbal/domestic during the summer of 2005. Perhaps the Anthony family was discussing who the father might be?

[Sandy001]

LE has interviewed LP, Rob Dick and Tracy, I believe. However, I don't recall ever seeing their interviews in the Discovery. Did I miss them somehow? If you did, I think everyone did. I don't think those are released yet. I want to hear LP's deposition with Mitnik.

[Sun]

I have to wonder. George DOES appear to tell the truth when he is under oath. That must really FRY Cindy - the one area where she doesn't control him.

George sure wasn't telling the truth in the depo with Mitnik. He was under oath. However, Cindy had set up her own video camera. LOL

[Sun]

thank you. could be. or could they be expressing their displeasure over her habits?

there are no transcripts of those calls though, is that correct?

No transcripts in the Discovery, and that is where I saw the page showing all the calls over the last few years. Just the dates, and very brief classification of the call. You can't really even tell who called 911, or for whom, just that LE responded to the Anthony home.

[Sandy001]

George sure wasn't telling the truth in the depo with Mitnik. He was under oath. However, Cindy had set up her own video camera. LOLBut Cindy was there with him wasn't she? He was honest in his first intgerviews with police and FBI. He was probably honest in his Grand Jury testimony also. If he wasn't I doubt seriously they would have gotten the indictment.

[need2no]

I wish I still had the link to this. The sheet that showed dates of all the 911 calls from the Anthony home. IIRC, there were at least four verbal/domestic during the summer of 2005. Perhaps the Anthony family was discussing who the father might be?

Here you go:

11/1/03 criminal mischief, report taken

2/5/04 rescue, turned over to fire dept.

4/21/05 verbal disturbance, no report taken

4/30/05 general disturbance (loud party, disorderly person), no report taken

5/29/05 general disturbance, no report taken

6/26/06 stolen vehicle, report taken

[sydney]

thank you, need.

[Pruddennce]

(i hope i'm not talking to myself - well, if i am, i'm sure i'll make sense to at least ONE person)

someone else and i (i am so bad at remembering names) were discussing this "casey had caylee as a result of a one night stand vs. not admitting to that and saying the father had died", blah blah blah.

if it is indeed true that the father had died, why was child paternity never established? and what about child support and insurance for the baby? here in ILL inois (thank you blago, for making me PROUD to live here) fathers not only have to pay support, but also carry the child on their insurance. not only that, they are required to carry a life insurance policy naming the child as beneficiary in case something happens to the father.

i forgot when they said he died, but i believe it was after caylee was born - not sure how long after. if i'm mistaken, please someone correct me. i still think the "father is dead" thing preserves the family "integrity" instead of admitting it was a one night stand. but part of me wonders, if it was a case of knowing the father and having a relationship with him, why didn't cindy (or casey) go after him to preserve caylee's rights?

anyone?

thanks.

once again, the anthony and their lies:

Casey claims 'the father' was contributing in another manner, a trust, before he 'died'. if so, there will be a papertrail.

family services interviewed Casey in jail and then at home with her mother. family services asks about the father and if the father's family should be advised....she says they are in italy. :D

if you wish to read the interview of lies with family services, here it is:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43228283.PDF

Cindy sits right there and listens to Casey talk about her Seasonal job at Universal and how OCSO has got it all wrong. she has a job there.

??????

can you imagine? lying to family services? LE already established in less than 24 hours she didnt have a job there and she admitted that in her LE interview....on audio.

guess she didnt care because she knew Caylee was never returning to the home which would cause her worry about custody or having Caylee place with family services.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Sun
LE has interviewed LP, Rob Dick and Tracy, I believe. However, I don't recall ever seeing their interviews in the Discovery. Did I miss them somehow?
If you did, I think everyone did. I don't think those are released yet. I want to hear LP's deposition with Mitnik.

Did Rob Dick earlier indicate that he heard the Jay Blanchard Park story from Casey during one of their drives to Baez's office? Can anyone remember? ....something is just really bugging me about that story, and who knew it first, and when.

[Pruddennce]

No transcripts in the Discovery, and that is where I saw the page showing all the calls over the last few years. Just the dates, and very brief classification of the call. You can't really even tell who called 911, or for whom, just that LE responded to the Anthony home.

hi sun,

Summary for calls for service is here: scroll down, dated August 27th

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Sun
George sure wasn't telling the truth in the depo with Mitnik. He was under oath. However, Cindy had set up her own video camera. LOL

But Cindy was there with him wasn't she? He was honest in his first intgerviews with police and FBI. He was probably honest in his Grand Jury testimony also. If he wasn't I doubt seriously they would have gotten the indictment.

Cindy was not allowed to be present during George's depo. She was taken to a separate room, ....however her video camera could likely have intimidated George.

[Pruddennce]

Did Rob Dick earlier indicate that he heard the Jay Blanchard Park story from Casey during one of their drives to Baez's office? Can anyone remember? ....something is just really bugging me about that story, and who knew it first, and when.

it is my understanding she told it to Lee who told it to the Anthonys who told it to LE....Cindy tells LE/FBI the Blanchard story....its on one of the videos.

in Lee's deposition, he mentions it. again. also in one of his jailhouse calls, Casey and Lee talk about blanchard park and her phone, blah blah, but not the 'story' of the 'arm twisting'. Cindy tells that story in her LE/FBI interview.

without plowing thru his depo, they played portions of it on NG...here is the transcript:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ng.01.html

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[sydney]

Pru, thank you for that link.

all i can say is wow.

can this be used in the criminal trial?

thanks again

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Sandy001
But Cindy was there with him wasn't she? He was honest in his first intgerviews with police and FBI. He was probably honest in his Grand Jury testimony also. If he wasn't I doubt seriously they would have gotten the indictment.

Oh, I have to disagree, as I believe that George told some lies to LE/FBI ....which are easier today to pick out, than they were back when he gave his interviews. Unfortunately, we don't know what was said to the Grand Jury, ...but those folks are probably sharp enough to realize that a Father could easily lie in an effort to try to protect his daughter from a Murder One charge. It's pretty easy to tell when George is lying.... and if he's lying in regards to Casey, the Jury could read this as Casey did something and her Father is lying to try to protect her.

[Sun]

Here you go:

11/1/03 criminal mischief, report taken

2/5/04 rescue, turned over to fire dept.

4/21/05 verbal disturbance, no report taken

4/30/05 general disturbance (loud party, disorderly person), no report taken

5/29/05 general disturbance, no report taken

6/26/06 stolen vehicle, report taken

Thank you! That is exactly what I was referring to.

[nothingnew]

I don't believe LE feel like the Anthonys have been through enough, but are protecting their case. If the Anthonys are arrested on criminal charges, it puts them in the position to plead the 5th and I don't believe at this point LE can risk that. I would not mind Milstead being arrested for impersonating a police officer again though. There is nothing to prevent that.

Is it absolutely necessary to have the anthony's testify at the trial? Couldn't they just bring in Shirley Plesea and the staff from the facility where the grandfather lived to prove the last day Caylee was seen alive? And then fill in the blanks with Amy, TonE, Jesse etc.I don't see any benefit to having the family included in the trial. Liars, layers and bears-yuck!

[Sun]

once again, the anthony and their lies:

Casey claims 'the father' was contributing in another manner, a trust, before he 'died'. if so, there will be a papertrail.

family services interviewed Casey in jail and then at home with her mother. family services asks about the father and if the father's family should be advised....she says they are in italy. :D

if you wish to read the interview of lies with family services, here it is:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43228283.PDF

Cindy sits right there and listens to Casey talk about her Seasonal job at Universal and how OCSO has got it all wrong. she has a job there.

??????

can you imagine? lying to family services? LE already established in less than 24 hours she didnt have a job there and she admitted that in her LE interview....on audio.

guess she didnt care because she knew Caylee was never returning to the home which would cause her worry about custody or having Caylee place with family services.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Pru, Family Services will testify at Casey's trial. Their observations will have an impact on the jury, and mostly back up some details that LE will testify about. Family Services findings may be one of the reasons that the Death Penalty is one the table (won't it?)

[seeing_eye]

(i hope i'm not talking to myself - well, if i am, i'm sure i'll make sense to at least ONE person)

someone else and i (i am so bad at remembering names) were discussing this "casey had caylee as a result of a one night stand vs. not admitting to that and saying the father had died", blah blah blah.

if it is indeed true that the father had died, why was child paternity never established? and what about child support and insurance for the baby? here in ILL inois (thank you blago, for making me PROUD to live here) fathers not only have to pay support, but also carry the child on their insurance. not only that, they are required to carry a life insurance policy naming the child as beneficiary in case something happens to the father.

i forgot when they said he died, but i believe it was after caylee was born - not sure how long after. if i'm mistaken, please someone correct me. i still think the "father is dead" thing preserves the family "integrity" instead of admitting it was a one night stand. but part of me wonders, if it was a case of knowing the father and having a relationship with him, why didn't cindy (or casey) go after him to preserve caylee's rights?

anyone?

thanks.

IMO, and this is MOO, based on many things I've read about the case and which I do not recall where I read them, I believe Casey made up the story about a "dead daddy," And I also disbelieve the story by either Casey or Cindy or both that the "dead daddy" had set up a trust fund for Caylee. I think the reason for all these stories is because Casey doesn't know who the father of Caylee is and Casey and/or the family doesn't want the world to know how many times Casey had unprotected casual sex.

[sammy62]

The money is going to an organization called "A Child is Missing". If you go to their website, they are a national organization. They work with LE to set up a phone network to help find children, the elderly and disabled. They have success stories dating back to 2002. The money will be used to set up the system in this congressman's district. The money is not going to kidfinders or the anthonys. JMO

thanks Lapis. I didn't do my homework. :tongueside:

[Sun]

Pru, you have a pretty good understanding of the Jay Blanchard Park version. Here are some of my notes. I am just wondering how Cindy could have "known" the story on July 30, when would Casey have been able to tell this to her? Casey was in jail until Aug 21. I've watched those jail videos, and haven't ever seen Casey tell the story to Lee. Did I miss it? Was it edited out, perhaps?

I decided to go back and re-listen to Cindy's interviews with the FBI. Part 4, about 18 minutes into it. Or, Part 5-about 11 minutes into it. -----on 7/30/2008 Cindy tells the FBI that Lee told her, that Casey told him, "that Zani's Sister took Caylee and that Zany pushed Casey to the ground and threatened. Listen itch, I'm going to teach you a lesson, you are not getting Caylee back. ....all this happened on June 14th."
http://www.wftv.com/video/18036192/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18049738/index.html

Also on the 7/30 FBI video, Cindy then goes on to say, "Lee got the JBP version either on a phone conversation or a jail video"...just a few days before today. Part 9, 31 minutes into it.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18051811/index.html


In Lee's depo, he indicated that the very first time that Casey told him that story was during the time that she was first out on bail. Lee said this numerous times throught his depo. (Note that Lee couldn't remember the date, but I looked it up and Casey walked out of the jail for the first time on Aug 21.) Part 4, 19 minutes into it.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18813649/index.html

Casey Anthony Walked Out of Jail Today on $500,000 Bail © Cindy Adams
Aug 21, 2008 -- Caylee Anthony's mother, Casey, left jail today for her parents' home released on $500,000 bail posted by famed bounty hunter Leonard Padilla. The 22-year-old mother of Caylee Anthony, Casey Anthony, left her jail cell today for her parents’ home. Tony Padilla, a California bail bondsman, nephew of television bounty hunter, Leonard Padilla, posted her $500,000
bail.
http://crime.suite101.com/article.cfm/caylee_anthonys_mother_released_from_jail

Inmate Visitors Log, (shown in the following link), shows that Casey had not yet been released out on bond before Cindy gave the interview to the FBI. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-07/41281080.pdf

[*MoonRider*]

Pru, you have a pretty good understanding of the Jay Blanchard Park version. Here are some of my notes. I am just wondering how Cindy could have "known" the story on July 30, when would Casey have been able to tell this to her? Casey was in jail until Aug 21. I've watched those jail videos, and haven't ever seen Casey tell the story to Lee. Did I miss it? Was it edited out, perhaps?

I decided to go back and re-listen to Cindy's interviews with the FBI. Part 4, about 18 minutes into it. Or, Part 5-about 11 minutes into it. -----on 7/30/2008 Cindy tells the FBI that Lee told her, that Casey told him, "that Zani's Sister took Caylee and that Zany pushed Casey to the ground and threatened. Listen itch, I'm going to teach you a lesson, you are not getting Caylee back. ....all this happened on June 14th."
http://www.wftv.com/video/18036192/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18049738/index.html

Also on the 7/30 FBI video, Cindy then goes on to say, "Lee got the JBP version either on a phone conversation or a jail video"...just a few days before today. Part 9, 31 minutes into it.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18051811/index.html


In Lee's depo, he indicated that the very first time that Casey told him that story was during the time that she was first out on bail. Lee said this numerous times throught his depo. (Note that Lee couldn't remember the date, but I looked it up and Casey walked out of the jail for the first time on Aug 21.) Part 4, 19 minutes into it.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18813649/index.html

Casey Anthony Walked Out of Jail Today on $500,000 Bail © Cindy Adams
Aug 21, 2008 -- Caylee Anthony's mother, Casey, left jail today for her parents' home released on $500,000 bail posted by famed bounty hunter Leonard Padilla. The 22-year-old mother of Caylee Anthony, Casey Anthony, left her jail cell today for her parents’ home. Tony Padilla, a California bail bondsman, nephew of television bounty hunter, Leonard Padilla, posted her $500,000
bail.
http://crime.suite101.com/article.cfm/caylee_anthonys_mother_released_from_jail

Inmate Visitors Log, (shown in the following link), shows that Casey had not yet been released out on bond before Cindy gave the interview to the FBI. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-07/41281080.pdf

That has been bugging me for a long time. Obviously we are missing a jailhouse video visitation or phone call with Lee in our docs. The Blanchard Park story originated while Casey was incarcerated, so there must be a recording of the conversation they have not released. :shrug:

[Sun]

That has been bugging me for a long time. Obviously we are missing a jailhouse video visitation or phone call with Lee in our docs. The Blanchard Park story originated while Casey was incarcerated, so there must be a recording of the conversation they have not released. :shrug:

Or, perhaps Casey wasn't the author of the JBP story????? Or, it could be a missed phone call, or a piece of a video too.

[Pruddennce]

Pru, Family Services will testify at Casey's trial. There observations will have an impact on the jury, and mostly back up some details that LE will testify about. Family Services findings may be one of the reasons that the Death Penalty is one the table (won't it?)

yes, I do believe they will be called and the testimony will have a huge impact. most notably their observations, if it is allowed in, in their entirety....that she was 'detached' from Caylee and referred to Caylee as 'that child'.

its interesting because the interviews were before her remains were found. Casey was maintaining the original lie a month later that she told to OCSO. IMO, the DP was put back on the table because of tangible evidence we have yet to see.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Sun]

yes, I do believe they will be called and the testimony will have a huge impact. most notably their observations, if it is allowed in, in their entirety....that she was 'detached' from Caylee and referred to Caylee as 'that child'.

its interesting because the interviews were before her remains were found. Casey was maintaining the original lie a month later that she told to OCSO. IMO, the DP was put back on the table because of tangible evidence we have yet to see.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

ITA. Casey continuing to tell the same lies over a month after she was initially arrested, is a biggie, IMO.

[Sun]

yes, I do believe they will be called and the testimony will have a huge impact. most notably their observations, if it is allowed in, in their entirety....that she was 'detached' from Caylee and referred to Caylee as 'that child'.

its interesting because the interviews were before her remains were found. Casey was maintaining the original lie a month later that she told to OCSO. IMO, the DP was put back on the table because of tangible evidence we have yet to see.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Can you remember the Child & Families employee's name?

[Pruddennce]

That has been bugging me for a long time. Obviously we are missing a jailhouse video visitation or phone call with Lee in our docs. The Blanchard Park story originated while Casey was incarcerated, so there must be a recording of the conversation they have not released. :shrug:

or....she wrote it down in her 'msgs to the family'.

cell phone records texts indicate they were exchanging msgs thru Baez and 'dont let the press know about any letters': August 8th text message:

Cindy's phone:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/02%20Forensic%20Cell%20Phone%20Report(1).pdf

page 5 thru 6

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Pruddennce]

Can you remember the Child & Families employee's name?

Sun, there are several names for the visits.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43228283.PDF

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Sun]

Child and Families, (Procknow and Murray) met with Casey in the Jail on Jan 9 2009. For around 30 minutes.

[Unleashed]

Yes, it is a Florida statute. If you are supoenaed to testify in a criminal trial, you are immune from prosecution for anything you may testify to, so long as it is not perjury, for which you can be prosecuted. It is limited use immunity. IMO the Anthonys were attempting to gain immunity for the lies they had already told and actions they had already taken. They were afraid they would be prosecuted for that. I will look up and cite the provision for you.

By the same token, if you are slandered in a trial by a person under oath, you cannot sue because the law assumes that a person is truthful under oath. In my experience, most times they are not.

MyCharlie, a hypothetical, far-fetched scenario:

I am testifying in the trial of Tom Smith, who has been charged with fraud. I testify that while I was waiting outside the bank for Tom as he was commiting the fraudulent act, I shot and killed Fred Brown. This has absolutely nothing to do with Tom's case.

Do I have immunity for the killing of Fred Brown?


IMO

ETA This is a completely fictional scenario, I didn't kill anyone.

[Leo's Mom]

**snipped**

I decided to go back and re-listen to Cindy's interviews with the FBI. Part 4, about 18 minutes into it. Or, Part 5-about 11 minutes into it. -----on 7/30/2008 Cindy tells the FBI that Lee told her, that Casey told him, "that Zani's Sister took Caylee and that Zany pushed Casey to the ground and threatened. Listen itch, I'm going to teach you a lesson, you are not getting Caylee back. ....all this happened on June 14th."
http://www.wftv.com/video/18036192/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18049738/index.html




I hope I quoted this OK.

IMO, Cindy could be the originator of this "version" of what happened to Caylee. Esp, if there is no jail house video to back up what she says about Lee hearing the story from Casey, and with Lee contradicting when he heard this "version". Once Casey came home from jail the first time, they got her up to speed on the JBP story.

The dialogue could very well be something similar to what transpired during the BIG fight, with Cindy being the one threatening to teach Casey a lesson.

Could there be some truth to the Anthony lies? :wink: IMO.

They come across as a truly twisted family. IMO.

[sammy62]

Or, perhaps Casey wasn't the author of the JBP story????? Or, it could be a missed phone call, or a piece of a video too.

Maybe Casey and Biaz dreamed it up. Was he her attorney by then? Bozo could have informed the family