Friday, June 5, 2009 #1

[CelticDawn]

Here you go:

11/1/03 criminal mischief, report taken

2/5/04 rescue, turned over to fire dept.

4/21/05 verbal disturbance, no report taken

4/30/05 general disturbance (loud party, disorderly person), no report taken

5/29/05 general disturbance, no report taken

6/26/06 stolen vehicle, report taken



These people have been loons for a while......It didnt JUST start....
....and WHEN did they come down from Ohio???.....

[Sun]

I hope I quoted this OK.

IMO, Cindy could be the originator of this "version" of what happened to Caylee. Esp, if there is no jail house video to back up what she says about Lee hearing the story from Casey, and with Lee contradicting when he heard this "version". Once Casey came home from jail the first time, they got her up to speed on the JBP story.

The dialogue could very well be something similar to what transpired during the BIG fight, with Cindy being the one threatening to teach Casey a lesson.

Could there be some truth to the Anthony lies? :wink: IMO.

They come across as a truly twisted family. IMO.

Yes, quite the twisted family! I've also wondered if Cindy couldn't have been the originator of the JBP verson. ...for some reason, when Casey was first out on bail, the entire Anthony family wanted to get this story out to the media (by Lee telling LP, Casey telling RobDick I think). ....it didn't leak out to the media until that time, did it?

[Sun]

Maybe Casey and Biaz dreamed it up. Was he her attorney by then? Bozo could have informed the family

That is a possibility. For some reason though, the entire Anthony family wanted the media to know this version.

[crimeq]

I don't understand what difference it makes. The funds will be going to LE to help with the problem. Given the number of missing children we have heard about just in the time this case has been pending seems like a good use of public funds. JMO

I think using Caylee's name as a "missing child" reflects sympathy back to Cindy and George, which may put money in their pocket from contributions totheir own foundation. I don't want them to profit from Caylee's murder.

[Sandy001]

George sure wasn't telling the truth in the depo with Mitnik. He was under oath. However, Cindy had set up her own video camera. LOL I have to wonder if Cindy thought she looked attractive in that session. I am sure she went home, turned on her video and thought - "we showed them. I am so much smarter than anyone else." She refused to even listen to what her atty told her.

[*MoonRider*]

or....she wrote it down in her 'msgs to the family'.

cell phone records texts indicate they were exchanging msgs thru Baez and 'dont let the press know about any letters': August 8th text message:

Cindy's phone:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/02%20Forensic%20Cell%20Phone%20Report(1).pdf

page 5 thru 6

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Cindy mentioned BP story on 7/30 to FBI and George on 7/31. The messages from Casey was not until 8/3 imo

[AnnInOhio]

IMO, and this is MOO, based on many things I've read about the case and which I do not recall where I read them, I believe Casey made up the story about a "dead daddy," And I also disbelieve the story by either Casey or Cindy or both that the "dead daddy" had set up a trust fund for Caylee. I think the reason for all these stories is because Casey doesn't know who the father of Caylee is and Casey and/or the family doesn't want the world to know how many times Casey had unprotected casual sex.

If there really was a known "dead daddy", there is no way a family as financially strapped as the Anthonys wouldn't have filed for SS survivorship money for Caylee which she could probably have collected until she was at least 18. If there was a trust fund its probably gone to pay for Casey's defense.

[*MoonRider*]

Casey Anthony's defense team outline reason for cell phone requests
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-cell-phone-records050509,0,3367516.story

[Sandy001]

once again, the anthony and their lies:

Casey claims 'the father' was contributing in another manner, a trust, before he 'died'. if so, there will be a papertrail.

family services interviewed Casey in jail and then at home with her mother. family services asks about the father and if the father's family should be advised....she says they are in italy. :D

if you wish to read the interview of lies with family services, here it is:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43228283.PDF

Cindy sits right there and listens to Casey talk about her Seasonal job at Universal and how OCSO has got it all wrong. she has a job there.

??????

can you imagine? lying to family services? LE already established in less than 24 hours she didnt have a job there and she admitted that in her LE interview....on audio.

guess she didnt care because she knew Caylee was never returning to the home which would cause her worry about custody or having Caylee place with family services.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....* Cindy didn't WANT the father in the picture. She specifically wanted to maintain control of this child. The father, the family claimed died in a car wreck and lived in another state (several different states were mentioned. The trust fund for Caylee is a new claim, never originally made. The father allegedly died on his way to Caylee's 2nd birthday in one version. He had also married.

In CA you cannot get ANY assistance for your child without naming the father. The Anthonys never made any attempt to involve the father in the child's live ever. Of course, if there was a known father and his family, they would have had some rights involving Caylee. I don't think Cindy would stand for that. jmo

[gaelicpeas]

"Casey Anthony's defense team outline reason for cell phone requests"

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-cell-phone-records050509,0,3367516.story

[Sandy001]

Yes, quite the twisted family! I've also wondered if Cindy couldn't have been the originator of the JBP verson. ...for some reason, when Casey was first out on bail, the entire Anthony family wanted to get this story out to the media (by Lee telling LP, Casey telling RobDick I think). ....it didn't leak out to the media until that time, did it?
The JBP story did not come out in the beginning. IT was a later modification. And resulted in the "invisible script," the invisible nanny's invisible sister, invisible mother, and invisible step-father. I find it amazing that Florida has so MANY invisible people.

[Sun]

Cindy mentioned BP story on 7/30 to FBI and George on 7/31. The messages from Casey was not until 8/3 imo

Thanks! Mitnik asked George about it (and George flat out lied that he knew absolutely nothing and had never heard about it ever). Dill/Morgan asked Cindy about it, and ...I can't even remember her answer. Morgan asked Lee about it, quite a few times, and Lee was absolutely sure that he first heard of the story during the very first time that Casey was out on bail (August 21 through Aug 28/29).

Perhaps this will all become clear to me at the trial. For now, it just seems like another twisted lie of the Anthonys.

[BlueHeron]

Maybe Casey and Biaz dreamed it up. Was he her attorney by then? Bozo could have informed the family

IIRC (and I probably don't, so somebody please correct me), the A's do not ever say in their LE interviews that kc dropped Caylee at the sitter's apartment and went to work. Perhaps she told lee & Ca the BP story first (on 7/15), and then told LE something completely different later?

[Sandy001]

"Casey Anthony's defense team outline reason for cell phone requests"

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-cell-phone-records050509,0,3367516.story

For Huizenga, the defense wants records between March 2008 and February 2009. Anthony and her friend were in "constant communication" before and after Caylee disappeared.

For Grund, the defense is asking for records from March 2008 and February 2009. Grund spoke to potential witnesses before and after Caylee's disappearance.

I think this is also overbroad. What happened before Caylee went missing doesn't prove anything. How can they "speak" to witnesses BEFORE an event occurs? Bozo just wants to drag everone else thru the mud. jmo

Grund and Casey broke up in 2006 (I believe). All I can see Jose doing is saying that because Amy or Grund EVER spoke to anyone who knew Casey, that makes them a suspect.

GMAB

[sammy62]

"Casey Anthony's defense team outline reason for cell phone requests"

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-cell-phone-records050509,0,3367516.story

I would like to smack Bozo on the head. This poor guy was doing his civic duty. "In [Baez's] mind, Roy Kronk is ... as suspect as anything that Casey Anthony has said or done," Hornsby said.

[url]http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/caylee_and_casey_anthony/index.html

[crimeq]

There is also a few entries on what may be a credit card of Cindy's. Mostly for dining out, but I noticed a couple of entries the Western Union... and I wonder if that was Casey's way of stealing a little cash?

I wonder how Casey learned all these tricks about using others' credit cards and check routing numbers. That's why I think she may have been involved with Peter Benevides at some point, maybe working for his telemarketing company (a scam). Telemarketers take CC numbers and check routing info over the phone constantly.

Now, maybe I'm just not clever in this regard, but I wouldn't know how to take the routing numbers or CC numbers and use them for my own purposes, without leaving a huge trail. So maybe Casey learned the "next steps" in the scam game from an operation like that.

Just speculating.

[Sun]

For Huizenga, the defense wants records between March 2008 and February 2009. Anthony and her friend were in "constant communication" before and after Caylee disappeared.

For Grund, the defense is asking for records from March 2008 and February 2009. Grund spoke to potential witnesses before and after Caylee's disappearance.

I think this is also overbroad. What happened before Caylee went missing doesn't prove anything. How can they "speak" to witnesses BEFORE an event occurs? Bozo just wants to drag everone else thru the mud. jmo

Grund and Casey broke up in 2006 (I believe). All I can see Jose doing is saying that because Amy or Grund EVER spoke to anyone who knew Casey, that makes them a suspect.

GMAB

Of course it's overbroad. Baez sure didn't listen carefully to Judge Strickland, in the last court hearing. Baez wants all/every phone number called, and Judge Strickland wasn't leaning for that, was he?

[sammy62]

I wonder how Casey learned all these tricks about using others' credit cards and check routing numbers. That's why I think she may have been involved with Peter Benevides at some point, maybe working for his telemarketing company (a scam). Telemarketers take CC numbers and check routing info over the phone constantly.

Now, maybe I'm just not clever in this regard, but I wouldn't know how to take the routing numbers or CC numbers and use them for my own purposes, without leaving a huge trail. So maybe Casey learned the "next steps" in the scam game from an operation like that.

Just speculating.

If you have the routing numbers, can't you order checks from the flyers in the paper or current.

[Sandy001]

Did Rob Dick earlier indicate that he heard the Jay Blanchard Park story from Casey during one of their drives to Baez's office? Can anyone remember? ....something is just really bugging me about that story, and who knew it first, and when.

The fact that the JB Park story was not made public until it was done by LP and RD tells me that it originated at that time, not before. Remember, KC was arrested pdq after her original lies. So any other story she came up with would have to be on the jail tapes or on a phone call from the jail. Those are documented. I think it all came up just to try to pull the wool over the LP crew. I don't think KC or Cindy or even George ever mentioned it to LE prior to that. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Isn't a kidnapping scenario a much more sympathetic scenario to the Anthony family than "I left my baby in a stairwell" scenario? Then G&C can pretend to fear for their lives, and George can tell the media they are "watching" the kidnappers.

[Sun]

The fact that the JB Park story was not made public until it was done by LP and RD tells me that it originated at that time, not before. Remember, KC was arrested pdq after her original lies. So any other story she came up with would have to be on the jail tapes or on a phone call from the jail. Those are documented. I think it all came up just to try to pull the wool over the LP crew. I don't think KC or Cindy or even George ever mentioned it to LE prior to that. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Isn't a kidnapping scenario a much more sympathetic scenario to the Anthony family than "I left my baby in a stairwell" scenario? Then G&C can pretend to fear for their lives, and George can tell the media they are "watching" the kidnappers.

Cindy did speak of the Jay Blanchard version in her 7/30 depo with the FBI. Several times. (FBI sure kept this one from being leaked...LOL, because we didn't learn of it until after LP told it to the media later in Aug/Sept I think)

[Neffy]

For Huizenga, the defense wants records between March 2008 and February 2009. Anthony and her friend were in "constant communication" before and after Caylee disappeared.

For Grund, the defense is asking for records from March 2008 and February 2009. Grund spoke to potential witnesses before and after Caylee's disappearance.

I think this is also overbroad. What happened before Caylee went missing doesn't prove anything. How can they "speak" to witnesses BEFORE an event occurs? Bozo just wants to drag everone else thru the mud. jmo

Grund and Casey broke up in 2006 (I believe). All I can see Jose doing is saying that because Amy or Grund EVER spoke to anyone who knew Casey, that makes them a suspect.

GMAB

Baez's reasoning is for it to be premeditated takes before thought. Although Strickland didn't elaborate on it to much he did say a few words that "premeditated" can mean only "minutes" or something to that affect. Yes Baez is REACHING with this line of reasoning for that huge time frame. It will be narrowed down as long as the attorney's keep fighting Baez I believe they will prevail.

[sammy62]

The fact that the JB Park story was not made public until it was done by LP and RD tells me that it originated at that time, not before. Remember, KC was arrested pdq after her original lies. So any other story she came up with would have to be on the jail tapes or on a phone call from the jail. Those are documented. I think it all came up just to try to pull the wool over the LP crew. I don't think KC or Cindy or even George ever mentioned it to LE prior to that. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Isn't a kidnapping scenario a much more sympathetic scenario to the Anthony family than "I left my baby in a stairwell" scenario? Then G&C can pretend to fear for their lives, and George can tell the media they are "watching" the kidnappers.

I was thinking about that scenario the other night. I know that Casey is young....but wouldn't you protect a two year old, before you would protect your family of adults. That story isn't going to do her any good either.

[Katprint]

That has been bugging me for a long time. Obviously we are missing a jailhouse video visitation or phone call with Lee in our docs. The Blanchard Park story originated while Casey was incarcerated, so there must be a recording of the conversation they have not released. :shrug:
Alternatively the Blanchard Park story was passed along from inside the jail to outside the jail by Baez. Not that we will ever get a straight story from Cindy, George or Lee about what Baez has told them even though that would not be protected by any privilege whatsoever. There is no "confidential witness-attorney communication" privilege.

Anything that any witness is told by anyone who is not that particular witness' attorney (including attorneys for other people but not the witness) is discoverable, but normally it must be discovered from the witness rather than the attorney who spoke to the witness. It is very rare that the attorney representing a defendant can be compelled to testify against his client and/or to directly disclose his privileged attorney work product like that. That the witness is expected to testify untruthfully (aka commit perjury) about their conversations with the attorney is probably not sufficient grounds for such an exception.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Sandy001]

Pru, you have a pretty good understanding of the Jay Blanchard Park version. Here are some of my notes. I am just wondering how Cindy could have "known" the story on July 30, when would Casey have been able to tell this to her? Casey was in jail until Aug 21. I've watched those jail videos, and haven't ever seen Casey tell the story to Lee. Did I miss it? Was it edited out, perhaps?

I decided to go back and re-listen to Cindy's interviews with the FBI. Part 4, about 18 minutes into it. Or, Part 5-about 11 minutes into it. -----on 7/30/2008 Cindy tells the FBI that Lee told her, that Casey told him, "that Zani's Sister took Caylee and that Zany pushed Casey to the ground and threatened. Listen itch, I'm going to teach you a lesson, you are not getting Caylee back. ....all this happened on June 14th."
http://www.wftv.com/video/18036192/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18049738/index.html

Also on the 7/30 FBI video, Cindy then goes on to say, "Lee got the JBP version either on a phone conversation or a jail video"...just a few days before today. Part 9, 31 minutes into it.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18051811/index.html


In Lee's depo, he indicated that the very first time that Casey told him that story was during the time that she was first out on bail. Lee said this numerous times throught his depo. (Note that Lee couldn't remember the date, but I looked it up and Casey walked out of the jail for the first time on Aug 21.) Part 4, 19 minutes into it.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18813649/index.html

Casey Anthony Walked Out of Jail Today on $500,000 Bail © Cindy Adams
Aug 21, 2008 -- Caylee Anthony's mother, Casey, left jail today for her parents' home released on $500,000 bail posted by famed bounty hunter Leonard Padilla. The 22-year-old mother of Caylee Anthony, Casey Anthony, left her jail cell today for her parents’ home. Tony Padilla, a California bail bondsman, nephew of television bounty hunter, Leonard Padilla, posted her $500,000
bail.
http://crime.suite101.com/article.cfm/caylee_anthonys_mother_released_from_jail

Inmate Visitors Log, (shown in the following link), shows that Casey had not yet been released out on bond before Cindy gave the interview to the FBI. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-07/41281080.pdfCaylee wasn't even missing on June14th. Wasn't it the 15th that Caylee and Cindy visited Cindy's father?

[seeing_eye]

Cindy was not allowed to be present during George's depo. She was taken to a separate room, ....however her video camera could likely have intimidated George.

I don't know why Cindy needed her own video camera. The lawyers were videotaping it already. Why have 2 tapes?

[Chardonnay]

Got a question... When this finally gets to trial in a few years, and when the Antho-Liars get on the stand, what will happen when the Prosecution asks their questions, and they all say they don't remember what they said back in 08. I know the Pros will refer back to their depos, but what if they say they didn't remember saying that, or what they said to the LE/FBI.. What happens then? It's kinda like taking the 5th..? Know what I'm trying ask? Am I making any sense? This scenerio keeps running thru my mind.

[CelticDawn]

If there really was a known "dead daddy", there is no way a family as financially strapped as the Anthonys wouldn't have filed for SS survivorship money for Caylee which she could probably have collected until she was at least 18. If there was a trust fund its probably gone to pay for Casey's defense.

If there was a known "dead daddy" he could have ben as shiftless as Casey and not HAD any money paid into social security FOR a survivor.....Maybe THAT is what they are hiding.

[enigma™]

I don't know why Cindy needed her own video camera. The lawyers were videotaping it already. Why have 2 tapes?


I believe Cindy wanted to tape the attorneys doing the questioning, where the attorneys were taping the one being questioned.

[Sandy001]

Cindy mentioned BP story on 7/30 to FBI and George on 7/31. The messages from Casey was not until 8/3 imo
Still, the name ZG was out there for at least two weeks before this story came to light. I believe the civil suit ZG also drives a car similar to the one described by the family in the kidnapping. She also had NY plates and Casey's ZG had ties to NC and NY.

[Neffy]

"Casey Anthony's defense team outline reason for cell phone requests"

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-cell-phone-records050509,0,3367516.story


I didn't see this post. Baez doesn't even mention his "premeditated" reasoning that he used in court if this article is accurate.

Good Grief. IMO, this will never fly like this let alone if he did use his premeditated stance.

[crimeq]

If there really was a known "dead daddy", there is no way a family as financially strapped as the Anthonys wouldn't have filed for SS survivorship money for Caylee which she could probably have collected until she was at least 18. If there was a trust fund its probably gone to pay for Casey's defense.

Absolutely. If there was a known daddy, Cindy would have gone after his wallet in a heartbeat.

So there isn't a known daddy, IMO.

[crimeq]

Cindy didn't WANT the father in the picture. She specifically wanted to maintain control of this child. The father, the family claimed died in a car wreck and lived in another state (several different states were mentioned. The trust fund for Caylee is a new claim, never originally made. The father allegedly died on his way to Caylee's 2nd birthday in one version. He had also married.

In CA you cannot get ANY assistance for your child without naming the father. The Anthonys never made any attempt to involve the father in the child's live ever. Of course, if there was a known father and his family, they would have had some rights involving Caylee. I don't think Cindy would stand for that. jmo

I think Cindy would have picked child support, money, over total control. I see her looking for any way to turn a buck. Add into that, she was probably PO'd her virgin daughter gave birth, and she'd want some retribution on the responsible father.

Casey doesn't know who the father is--creating a "dead father" was more palatable to Cindy to explain the situation.

[crimeq]

Cindy didn't WANT the father in the picture. She specifically wanted to maintain control of this child. The father, the family claimed died in a car wreck and lived in another state (several different states were mentioned. The trust fund for Caylee is a new claim, never originally made. The father allegedly died on his way to Caylee's 2nd birthday in one version. He had also married.

In CA you cannot get ANY assistance for your child without naming the father. The Anthonys never made any attempt to involve the father in the child's live ever. Of course, if there was a known father and his family, they would have had some rights involving Caylee. I don't think Cindy would stand for that. jmo

And that second birthday party was all females--I think I remember Lee stating it was weird, all females, no guys--so was Caylee's father really invited?

And was Casey ready to introduce this "stranger" to all her girlfriends, on that occassion? If so, there should have been great expectations of her girlfriend attendees, none of which have been mentioned in the depos.

[Sun]

Caylee wasn't even missing on June14th. Wasn't it the 15th that Caylee and Cindy visited Cindy's father?

Yes, you are correct. I just quoted word-for-word what Cindy told the FBI in her interview.

[crimeq]

If you have the routing numbers, can't you order checks from the flyers in the paper or current.

Probably so. That gives unlimited access. See, I just don't have a mind for criminal behavior :wink:

[Chardonnay]

And that second birthday party was all females--I think I remember Lee stating it was weird, all females, no guys--so was Caylee's father really invited?

And was Casey ready to introduce this "stranger" to all her girlfriends, on that occassion? If so, there should have been great expectations of her girlfriend attendees, none of which have been mentioned in the depos.

Hmmmmm....And no Zanny the Nanny at Caylee's all girl birthday party???

[sammy62]

And that second birthday party was all females--I think I remember Lee stating it was weird, all females, no guys--so was Caylee's father really invited?

And was Casey ready to introduce this "stranger" to all her girlfriends, on that occassion? If so, there should have been great expectations of her girlfriend attendees, none of which have been mentioned in the depos.

I think I heard some guys were there....I'll go look

[Sandy001]

Baez's reasoning is for it to be premeditated takes before thought. Although Strickland didn't elaborate on it to much he did say a few words that "premeditated" can mean only "minutes" or something to that affect. Yes Baez is REACHING with this line of reasoning for that huge time frame. It will be narrowed down as long as the attorney's keep fighting Baez I believe they will prevail. Premeditation can be only a few minutes before the crim occurred. Baez is gonna try to link the chloroform to them - watch

[Sandy001]

Of course it's overbroad. Baez sure didn't listen carefully to Judge Strickland, in the last court hearing. Baez wants all/every phone number called, and Judge Strickland wasn't leaning for that, was he?
It's pretty clear that Baez is so busy talking in court that he doesn't LISTEN> That, too, will come back to haunt him

Who, in their right mind let this joke of an atty teach a class on preparing for trial? I woud demand my money back.

[crimeq]

Got a question... When this finally gets to trial in a few years, and when the Antho-Liars get on the stand, what will happen when the Prosecution asks their questions, and they all say they don't remember what they said back in 08. I know the Pros will refer back to their depos, but what if they say they didn't remember saying that, or what they said to the LE/FBI.. What happens then? It's kinda like taking the 5th..? Know what I'm trying ask? Am I making any sense? This scenerio keeps running thru my mind.

We've already had a preview of that, when Morgan showed tapes to Cindy of her testimony, and she stopped him and said something about that being the worst day of her life, why would he do that to her, blah, blah, blah. I suspect we'll get lots of responses from her (and George) that they were in shock and are not responsible for some of their answers.

Hopefully prosecution attornies will be as good as Morgan at drilling that down :-)

Cindy and George are going to have to answer questions. No way around it.

[crimeq]

Hmmmmm....And no Zanny the Nanny at Caylee's all girl birthday party???

Right! Also very interesting, huh :wink:

[Sun]

We've already had a preview of that, when Morgan showed tapes to Cindy of her testimony, and she stopped him and said something about that being the worst day of her life, why would he do that to her, blah, blah, blah. I suspect we'll get lots of responses from her (and George) that they were in shock and are not responsible for some of their answers.

Hopefully prosecution attornies will be as good as Morgan at drilling that down :-)

Cindy and George are going to have to answer questions. No way around it.

I imagine that Cindy will once again go on-and-on about no food, no sleep, blah blah blah

[Sandy001]

I found this on another site. I hope the link works. It's pretty funny
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x251/syndy_dog/private/cmemorial.jpg

[seeing_eye]

The JBP story did not come out in the beginning. IT was a later modification. And resulted in the "invisible script," the invisible nanny's invisible sister, invisible mother, and invisible step-father. I find it amazing that Florida has so MANY invisible people.

Maybe there's something in the water. :confused:

[CelticDawn]

I found this on another site. I hope the link works. It's pretty funny
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x251/syndy_dog/private/cmemorial.jpg

THAT IS A SHAME!!!




:lol: :lol:

[Chardonnay]

We've already had a preview of that, when Morgan showed tapes to Cindy of her testimony, and she stopped him and said something about that being the worst day of her life, why would he do that to her, blah, blah, blah. I suspect we'll get lots of responses from her (and George) that they were in shock and are not responsible for some of their answers.

Hopefully prosecution attornies will be as good as Morgan at drilling that down :-)

Cindy and George are going to have to answer questions. No way around it.

Good to know there will be no way around them answering the questions.

[TunaMelt]

I don't know why Cindy needed her own video camera. The lawyers were videotaping it already. Why have 2 tapes?

I think the "everyone's out to get us" Cindy and George Anthony wanted to have their own tape of the depositions, because they figured Morgan and Mitnick might edit their copy.

Unreal.

:rolleyes:

[desmom]

I think Cindy would have picked child support, money, over total control. I see her looking for any way to turn a buck. Add into that, she was probably PO'd her virgin daughter gave birth, and she'd want some retribution on the responsible father.

Casey doesn't know who the father is--creating a "dead father" was more palatable to Cindy to explain the situation.

Bingo!

Her friends passed on to LE the stories Casey had told them about Caylee's father...it was a friend of Lee's home on holiday, a security guard at Universal, a tourist at Universal, an old friend who lives out of state, he is in the military.....

jmo

[Pam1569]

I think the "everyone's out to get us" Cindy and George Anthony wanted to have their own tape of the depositions, because they figured Morgan and Mitnick might edit their copy.

Unreal.

:rolleyes:

Hi Tuna, I sure that this is one of their reason, but if they see dollars all the time maybe they think that they can use this in a movie when OC is convicted. Just disgusting that they can live off the died granddaughter and not blink an eye about it. :cursing:

[seeing_eye]

I wonder how Casey learned all these tricks about using others' credit cards and check routing numbers. That's why I think she may have been involved with Peter Benevides at some point, maybe working for his telemarketing company (a scam). Telemarketers take CC numbers and check routing info over the phone constantly.

Now, maybe I'm just not clever in this regard, but I wouldn't know how to take the routing numbers or CC numbers and use them for my own purposes, without leaving a huge trail. So maybe Casey learned the "next steps" in the scam game from an operation like that.

Just speculating.

I think Casey learned all these scam tricks from her dear ole Dad. It seems he is proficient in them.

[Chardonnay]

I think Casey learned all these scam tricks from her dear ole Dad. It seems he is proficient in them.

Ahhhhh !! Good one and I think you're right. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[seeing_eye]

Of course it's overbroad. Baez sure didn't listen carefully to Judge Strickland, in the last court hearing. Baez wants all/every phone number called, and Judge Strickland wasn't leaning for that, was he?

If I understood the judge correctly, I think he wanted Baez to change his motion to exclude people not affiliated with the case. In other words, he didn't think Baez needed to see phone records from pizza delivery men, etc. I may be wrong. My memory is bad.

[EverMoth]

Still, the name ZG was out there for at least two weeks before this story came to light. I believe the civil suit ZG also drives a car similar to the one described by the family in the kidnapping. She also had NY plates and Casey's ZG had ties to NC and
NY.

Good Eve!

I heard it somewhere that Casey might have been at the Sawgrass the day ZG put a rental app in. And, if true, Casey might have formulated the whole ZG story at that time after getting some basic info on ZG.

I remember, when Casey repeated ZG's name to LE, she used all three of ZGs names with a pause after each name - as if she were reciting it instead of telling it. I pictured her participating in a spelling bee. She sounded like a person concentrating to spell the word right. Not confident. JMO

[Neffy]

If there really was a known "dead daddy", there is no way a family as financially strapped as the Anthonys wouldn't have filed for SS survivorship money for Caylee which she could probably have collected until she was at least 18. If there was a trust fund its probably gone to pay for Casey's defense.

*rubs eyes blinks and rubs eyes again*

:seeya: Too long Girl! Welcome Back!!!

And Agreed regarding the money.

[Sandy001]

Bingo!

Her friends passed on to LE the stories Casey had told them about Caylee's father...it was a friend of Lee's home on holiday, a security guard at Universal, a tourist at Universal, an old friend who lives out of state, he is in the military.....

jmo Musical fathers? oh BTW, didn't Cindy claim to have the obituary for the father. Must be with her addys and phones for ZG.

The "real" ZG clearly had a driver's license - she had a car. Do the Anthonys really think that the FBI woudn't have access to the information of EVERY ZG who had a license?

[seeing_eye]

I believe Cindy wanted to tape the attorneys doing the questioning, where the attorneys were taping the one being questioned.

Well, in that case, they must have the tape of the attorney giving George the Lee? Wonder when we'll get to see that?

[Neffy]

Well, in that case, they must have the tape of the attorney giving George the Lee? Wonder when we'll get to see that?

The Lee :laugh::laugh:

[saywhat04]

Well, well, well! What do we have here. Looks like the Anthony's have about 6 events that creeped out of their closet. Oops!
jmo

The past calls for service to LE are a significant piece of the puzzle of the brewing pot of trouble at the House of Anthony, imo. Let's face it ... most normal functioning families living in the middle class suburbs, parents still married, kids still living at home ... don't log that many calls to law enforcement over a two-three year period. Sumting was wong and getting wonger.

[Sandy001]

Good Eve!

I heard it somewhere that Casey might have been at the Sawgrass the day ZG put a rental app in. And, if true, Casey might have formulated the whole ZG story at that time after getting some basic info on ZG.

I remember, when Casey repeated ZG's name to LE, she used all three of ZGs names with a pause after each name - as if she were reciting it instead of telling it. I pictured her participating in a spelling bee. She sounded like a person concentrating to spell the word right. Not confident. JMO Haven't you noticed how KC adds a middle name to all of her "friends." She refers to a Jeff Hopkins with a son Zachary who introduced her to ZFG. There IS a Jeff Hopkins but with a different middle name who knows KC from HS I believe and he even lives in Jacksonville where the mythical JH lives. However he doesn't have a son and never heard of ZFG. So, of course, LE has the WRONG JH.

[frances1]

The past calls for service to LE are a significant piece of the puzzle of the brewing pot of trouble at the House of Anthony, imo. Let's face it ... most normal functioning families living in the middle class suburbs, parents still married, kids still living at home ... don't log that many calls to law enforcement over a two-three year period. Sumting was wong and getting wonger.

You are so right, saywhat. I wish some enterprising young reporter would do an interview with a long-time neighbor.

[Sun]

I saw something today while browsing through some of the Discovery associated with Child and Families (Procknow). He made a short mention of LE wanting to do a voice stress test of Casey. I am so curious if LE ever did this, and if so if we will ever hear the results of it.

[EverMoth]

Haven't you noticed how KC adds a middle name to all of her "friends." She refers to a Jeff Hopkins with a son Zachary who introduced her to ZFG. There IS a Jeff Hopkins but with a different middle name who knows KC from HS I believe and he even lives in Jacksonville where the mythical JH lives. However he doesn't have a son and never heard of ZFG. So, of course, LE has the WRONG JH.

:rolleyes: I hadn't noticed her doing that but I did notice she did it with ZG. Is it just her fabricated friends or does she refer to, for example, Amy as all three of her names?

In any case, Casey showed stupidity when she decided to use the name ZG - a highly unusual name. How many Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez's are there anyway? LE could only find one. Is it a just a huge cooincidence that this ZG was at the sawgrass filling out a rental app - the same apt compex where Casey spent time yet ?Casey points to an entirely different ZG? I think not. Casey isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, imo. Probably intelligent enough in certain areas but stick dumb in many others. jmo

[Sun]

The past calls for service to LE are a significant piece of the puzzle of the brewing pot of trouble at the House of Anthony, imo. Let's face it ... most normal functioning families living in the middle class suburbs, parents still married, kids still living at home ... don't log that many calls to law enforcement over a two-three year period. Sumting was wong and getting wonger.

From what I have seen of the Anthonys behavior, I don't classify them as middle class. Their behavior, their dress/appearance, their statements just reek of low class trashy non-educated folks. One of their neighbors went so far as to describe Casey as a foul-mouthed spoiled brat.

[seeing_eye]

From what I have seen of the Anthonys behavior, I don't classify them as middle class. Their behavior, their dress/appearance, their statements just reek of low class trashy non-educated folks. One of their neighbors went so far as to describe Casey as a foul-mouthed spoiled brat.

Well, Casey is certainly foul mouthed. I think she learned it from Cindy. I can't imagine parents talking like that in front of their children.

[cuddlyrunner]

About time we had another doc dump!!


(OT-it's 2.20 am over here, why can't teenage boys come home quietly from the pub and not insist on cooking themselves vast quantities of food???)

[Pruddennce]

Cindy did speak of the Jay Blanchard version in her 7/30 depo with the FBI. Several times. (FBI sure kept this one from being leaked...LOL, because we didn't learn of it until after LP told it to the media later in Aug/Sept I think)

and that story IMO is irrelevant. Casey didnt tell LE that version. she stopped talking to them after she was arrested.

LE/FBI didnt bat an eye with regard to the 'new and improved version' being told on her behalf by the family. let her come forward and talk to LE/FBI, oh and she agreed she would, but never did. even up to the day of her arrest for murder: "she would entertain their questions with her attorney present, she is not opposed to that." baez shows up, doesnt happen.

IMO, this version wont make it into the courtroom. Ill be surprised if Nanny Z makes it into the courtroom as her defense.

what will be even more interesting to hear about is her picture snapping hobby....hundreds of pics of Caylee on her webpage, (and lots suddenly deleted during the missing period), yet not one picture taken of the person who SUPPOSEDLY spent the most time with Caylee: ZFG. I truly dont believe they are going to stick with that particular defense.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Pruddennce]

The past calls for service to LE are a significant piece of the puzzle of the brewing pot of trouble at the House of Anthony, imo. Let's face it ... most normal functioning families living in the middle class suburbs, parents still married, kids still living at home ... don't log that many calls to law enforcement over a two-three year period. Sumting was wong and getting wonger.

yes, saywhat, for instance Stolen Vehicle on 6/26/06.

interesting.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Unleashed]

No, if you are not asked about your murdering Fred Brown and if it is not material to the case of your assisting Tom Smith in his bank robbery it would not come up. FL statute 914.04 does not give one blanket immunity. However, if your murdering Fred was a part of the bank robbery job, you would not be called to the stand because you would be a murder defendant and the state can't call you. If your own lawyer called you to testify, it would be highly unusual because you would be open to cross. You would not be subpoenaed by the state and therefore you would not have immunity. It is limited use immunity which is LIMITED to the case at hand. If you just blurt out your murder confession, then you do not have immunity for it. If you should commit perjury about the bank robbery, you can be prosecuted for that.

As I understand it, the reason for this limited use immunity is that without it, everyone would just take the Fifth, since the US Constitution protects us from testifying against ourselves. If one testifies against oneself with immunity, in a particular circumstance only, it satisfies the Constitutional requirements.

But rest easy. I won't tell anyone about your confessing to Fred Brown's murder!!!! I heard nothing. But I'm happy to report that Fred only had a flesh wound, recovered and said that you acted in self defense. :rolleyes:


Well DANG!! There goes my plan. Guess I go to plan B.

Thanks for the info.:thumbup:

[ruth66]

At one point, Cindy told LE that she had been to a lawyer to have papers drawn up to appoint her as guardian of Caylee should anything happen that Casey was unable to take care of her. She even told LE the name of the lawyer, who denied all knowledge of it.

I believe that if that were actually the case, that Cindy went to a lawyer to be appointed guardian in the event of Casey's death, it would require a death certificate of the father or a document signed by him agreeing to Cindy being appointed guardian. Even if he were dead, I think it would require his parents, if living, to agree to the arrangement.
In fact, I think that if the father and/or his parents are living, they have a good case of wrongful death against Casey, amd maybe fraud if she lied to him about the baby. In today's world, unmarried parents have rights to children equal to married parents. And I believe the Anthonys knew that so they did not advise the father of Caylee's birth, being unwilling to share her with her paternal family.


Does anyone recall if Cindy told LE this tale during the interview in which she about flipped a lid when she was asked to swear that the testimony she gave was the truth and nothing but the truth. Or was it that the she flipped when they told her it was recorded?

I am curious as to the purpose of this particular lie. With Cindy there is always a hidden agenda.

[EverMoth]

and that story IMO is irrelevant. Casey didnt tell LE that version. she stopped talking to them after she was arrested.

LE/FBI didnt bat an eye with regard to the 'new and improved version' being told on her behalf by the family. let her come forward and talk to LE/FBI, oh and she agreed she would, but never did. even up to the day of her arrest for murder: "she would entertain their questions with her attorney present, she is not opposed to that." baez shows up, doesnt happen.

IMO, this version wont make it into the courtroom. Ill be surprised if Nanny Z makes it into the courtroom as her defense.

what will be even more interesting to hear about is her picture snapping hobby....hundreds of pics of Caylee on her webpage, (and lots suddenly deleted during the missing period), yet not one picture taken of the person who SUPPOSEDLY spent the most time with Caylee: ZFG. I truly dont believe they are going to stick with that particular defense.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Truly a thought provoking post, Pru and, again, I want to thank you for your contribution. What do you think the defense strategy is going to be? I'd value hearing you speak to that.

I see a defense trying to figure out what they are going to do as they look at the mountain of evidence and with a new call-the-shots attorney who isn't sex-smitten like JB and has probably sized Casey up pretty well by now.

A competent attorney, unlike JB, would certainly understand the weak position they are in. It is possible that Ms. Lyon feels the only way to get the DP off the table would be a plea deal. I can't personally think of any other way the Angel of Death could be certain of this without a plea.

Her passion for removing the DP would indicate that she would ONLY be thinking about this outcome for her client. If a plea is the only way to achieve that, she would naturally devote her passion to getting that plea. And, if that happens or is happening behind the scenes, it might not be pretty for Casey.

Ms. Lyon has been know to be nasty to witnesses, therefore she has that in her. I don't believe she is afraid of Casey at all. I believe Ms. Lyon would get in Casey's face real fast with some jaw-dropping straight talk about life and death if that is what she needs to do to get a plea. I also feel that if she can't get a plea, she might quit the case.

If there is any way, apart from a plea deal, that would give a good change for the DP to go away, I'd like to hear it.

[KittyMom]

Bingo!

Her friends passed on to LE the stories Casey had told them about Caylee's father...it was a friend of Lee's home on holiday, a security guard at Universal, a tourist at Universal, an old friend who lives out of state, he is in the military.....

jmo

...he's Mr. Invisible...

:laugh:

[Pruddennce]

The first time I heard the Blanchard Park version was from Padilla on Nancy Grace. He said that Casey told that version to Rob Dick during their forays to Baez's office. It doesn't mean it was the first time it was told, just the first time I heard it.


yes, I read posters comments about LP with regard to that story. personally, I do not think its relevant at this point in time. she had 3 opportunities to tell LE that story. she didnt.

'sawgrass didnt work out' for her parents' consumption...WHAT! an empty apt!....ok mom, here's the REAL STORY....Casey places herself as a witness to her daughter being 'taken'....OFGS....in a public place, with no weapons, an arm twist, and she was just, well SHOCKED....lol

so the park story developed....she talked of her phone being 'lost' there, and blah blah blah....her parents believed that story was more plausible than sawgrass?

none of this was told to LE and she had an opportunity to do so, WITH or WITHOUT her attorney. she refused. she sent the family troop out to deliver her new and improved lie.

reflect back: every time Cindy talked to casey, she delivered the next lie to the media on her behalf along with laments....Casey refers to herself as a victim in a jailhouse visit: Cindy tells the media Casey is a victim ....she takes what Casey says as her OWN opinion because:

IMO....

Cindy is scared of whatever Casey is hanging over her head...she will say anything, do anything, to suppress Casey's vengeance... *one lies the other one swears to it*...<--GAME OVER.

the wind has changed between these two psychopaths.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Sun]

and that story IMO is irrelevant. Casey didnt tell LE that version. she stopped talking to them after she was arrested.

LE/FBI didnt bat an eye with regard to the 'new and improved version' being told on her behalf by the family. let her come forward and talk to LE/FBI, oh and she agreed she would, but never did. even up to the day of her arrest for murder: "she would entertain their questions with her attorney present, she is not opposed to that." baez shows up, doesnt happen.

IMO, this version wont make it into the courtroom. Ill be surprised if Nanny Z makes it into the courtroom as her defense.

what will be even more interesting to hear about is her picture snapping hobby....hundreds of pics of Caylee on her webpage, (and lots suddenly deleted during the missing period), yet not one picture taken of the person who SUPPOSEDLY spent the most time with Caylee: ZFG. I truly dont believe they are going to stick with that particular defense.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I agree about that story being irrelevant... and tend to think that it was a story thought up by the Anthonys, or conveyed by Casey through some means that has not been disclosed to us. A story meant to do who-knows-what.

I think that the State has got quite a lot of stuff that points to Casey's guilt. Yes, those photos, and lack of a single photo of Zanny, will have an impact.

I am curious to find out what testing results the FBI will divulge eventually. Sounds like the Defense wants to flush this out sooner rather than later.

[weeds]

Has this been posted?

I didn't realize they would be questioning a witness on Monday.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19670350/detail.html

[Pruddennce]

Does anyone recall if Cindy told LE this tale during the interview in which she about flipped a lid when she was asked to swear that the testimony she gave was the truth and nothing but the truth. Or was it that the she flipped when they told her it was recorded?

I am curious as to the purpose of this particular lie. With Cindy there is always a hidden agenda.

handwritten page 2108

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

Cindy had a problem "swearing to the truth"....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[seeing_eye]

...he's Mr. Invisible...

:laugh:

Invisible baby daddy, invisible nanny - it's too bad she didn't also have invisible parents! :w00t:

[~Dramatica~]

Has this been posted?

I didn't realize they would be questioning a witness on Monday.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19670350/detail.html

Welcome weeds. Jose already questioned this witness once. I think he's grasping at straws. jmo

[bchand]

handwritten page 2108

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

Cindy had a problem "swearing to the truth"....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Ugh that just reminded me of how easily she was able to smear Amy, Tony & Ricardo.

AND reconfirms my opinion that she didn't and doesn't know what the he$$ she's talking about.

[summer4meplz]

You are so right, saywhat. I wish some enterprising young reporter would do an interview with a long-time neighbor.

Hi Frances,,,,you've seen the Dickens interview haven't you? just in case..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk&feature=channel_page

[ruth66]

handwritten page 2108

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

Cindy had a problem "swearing to the truth"....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Thanks Pru! That was a preview of what was to come. Now we all know that Cindy has a very difficult time with "truth". Come to find out all of the A's have a difficult time with the truth.

[EverMoth]

Cindy is scared of whatever Casey is hanging over her head...she will say anything, do anything, to suppress Casey's vengeance... *one lies the other one swears to it*...<--GAME OVER.

the wind has changed between these two psychopaths.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

I couldn't agree more. I have felt, for awhile now, that the secrets in that household are so hideous that grandparents would thrown their baby Caylee under the bus in order to save their psychopathic dauther. Could George be Caylee's father? Was Cindy verbally and physically abusive to Casey throughout her life? Were Casey and Lee more than just brother and Sister? I do believe Casey is holding something over their heads. We don't know what but, if AL decides she is going to go forward with a "have-mercy-Casey-is-the-product-of-bad-upbringing defense, ALL of this will come out. All of it. jmo

[Pruddennce]

Ugh that just reminded me of how easily she was able to smear Amy, Tony & Ricardo.

AND reconfirms my opinion that she didn't and doesn't know what the he$$ she's talking about.

and lied and lied and lied:

that interview includes Cindy's lies about her 'thinking' Casey was in Jacksonville. She found out on July 3rd that she was NOT in Jacksonville. Cindy sent Lee out to find her. He didnt physically find her, but he tracked her down as being local. and of course Cindy was told that.

but she continues on with the "I thought she was in Jacksonville' story in this interview, never ONCE mentioning that Lee found out she was not.

she layered the lie even more about 'what she knew' by saying 'she thought she was in Jacksonville the day they found the car'....

and people wonder why she is the most detested woman in the history of a murdered child case...and of course why she DIDNT WANT TO SWEAR SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH, because she wasnt.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Adonna]

[QUOTE=Daffodil;13171998][QUOTE=sydney;13171895] I don't know FL laws on Medicaid or welfare, but I know you can't get either here unless you reveal the name of the father (so the county can go after the father for the expenses. Cindy was hell bent on Caylee NOT having a father (I think she wanted Caylee all to herself), Cindy would obviously had to be willing to pay for those things herself. I don't know if she could put Caylee on her insurance as she didn't have custody or guardianship of Caylee - she just had POSSESSION of the child.

I'm just getting around to reading the forum today. I don't know if Cindy could put Caylee on her work insurance or not, but I do know that grandparents can take out insurance on grandchildren. Gerber (as in the baby food product company) had or has such a program for grandparents to insure their grandkids. So, it's possible other insurance companies have such a program. BTW one doesn't need custody to do so. JMO

[seeing_eye]

I know this is off topic but I'm new here and don't know what's allowed, but I love your motto at the bottom of your posts about adopting shelter animals. I have a wonderful furry friend that I adopted from a shelter and he is the smartest and sweetest dog I've ever had. I'm so lucky to have found him. :biggrin:

I always love hearing from someone who saved a life from a shelter. :wub: Right now I'm a foster mom to 5 rescued dogs (I can handle them - they're small). I wish I could rescue them all, but I know that I can't. I do have 2 personal dogs as well.

To keep this on topic, I worry about the welfare of the Anthony's two little dogs. I can't imagine it would be good even for dogs in that household!

[djmsmom]

I was just wondering, even though nobody can get in the OC's mind, how she thought it was going to play out. Did she really think that LE would continue to search for ZG. She seemed so calm walking through Universal hallways knowing there was no office. I imagine that's how she was used to doing at home "proving her lies untill they gave up". Then oh darn lost the other cell phone with ZG's calls on it. And she never imagined that LE would continue to follow every trail till the end result. Did she even think how stupid she sounded when she took them to Universal because she was trying to think of places Caylee might remember?
Being a parent, hearing this come from your child, I would be screaming to have her in mental health. I truely believe she is insane, but have no doubts she knew right from wrong.
Then facing murder charges she starts a affair with her lawyer. And continues to hold her head high and play victim.
If she would beat the charges and once again be free, I would think she could be capable of anything. JMOO

[farrahrani]

[QUOTE=Sandy001;13172019][QUOTE=Daffodil;13171998]

I'm just getting around to reading the forum today. I don't know if Cindy could put Caylee on her work insurance or not, but I do know that grandparents can take out insurance on grandchildren. Gerber (as in the baby food product company) had or has such a program for grandparents to insure their grandkids. So, it's possible other insurance companies have such a program. BTW one doesn't need custody to do so. JMO


Isn't the Gerber insurance LIFE insurance?

I'm wondering what they did for insurance for this child also, though it isn't really important to the case, unless its a point of contention between Cindy and Casey. It's possible she had the child on her work insurance, I can't see Cindy allowing the baby to go for years without health care, it reflects badly on her. And we know by now how important to her, her image is.

[EverMoth]

I know this is off topic but I'm new here and don't know what's allowed, but I love your motto at the bottom of your posts about adopting shelter animals. I have a wonderful furry friend that I adopted from a shelter and he is the smartest and sweetest dog I've ever had. I'm so lucky to have found him. :biggrin:


Awwwww. . .that stole my heart. :wub:

[seeing_eye]

I was just wondering, even though nobody can get in the OC's mind, how she thought it was going to play out. Did she really think that LE would continue to search for ZG. She seemed so calm walking through Universal hallways knowing there was no office. I imagine that's how she was used to doing at home "proving her lies untill they gave up". Then oh darn lost the other cell phone with ZG's calls on it. And she never imagined that LE would continue to follow every trail till the end result. Did she even think how stupid she sounded when she took them to Universal because she was trying to think of places Caylee might remember?
Being a parent, hearing this come from your child, I would be screaming to have her in mental health. I truely believe she is insane, but have no doubts she knew right from wrong.
Then facing murder charges she starts a affair with her lawyer. And continues to hold her head high and play victim.
If she would beat the charges and once again be free, I would think she could be capable of anything. JMOO

If Casey goes free, she may go through with her plan to get rid of George and Cindy. MOO

[Adonna]

[QUOTE=Adonna;13173376][QUOTE=Sandy001;13172019]


Isn't the Gerber insurance LIFE insurance?

I'm wondering what they did for insurance for this child also, though it isn't really important to the case, unless its a point of contention between Cindy and Casey. It's possible she had the child on her work insurance, I can't see Cindy allowing the baby to go for years without health care, it reflects badly on her. And we know by now how important to her, her image is.

I just went to the Gerber site to read it and it does cover accidental death too. I would put in the link, but I don't know how to put one in the forum.

[~Dramatica~]

I was just wondering, even though nobody can get in the OC's mind, how she thought it was going to play out. Did she really think that LE would continue to search for ZG. She seemed so calm walking through Universal hallways knowing there was no office. I imagine that's how she was used to doing at home "proving her lies untill they gave up". Then oh darn lost the other cell phone with ZG's calls on it. And she never imagined that LE would continue to follow every trail till the end result. Did she even think how stupid she sounded when she took them to Universal because she was trying to think of places Caylee might remember?
Being a parent, hearing this come from your child, I would be screaming to have her in mental health. I truely believe she is insane, but have no doubts she knew right from wrong.
Then facing murder charges she starts a affair with her lawyer. And continues to hold her head high and play victim.
If she would beat the charges and once again be free, I would think she could be capable of anything. JMOO

The whole time LE was questioning her she knew that Caylee was in a garbage bag in the woods. :crying:

[seeing_eye]

I just went to the Gerber site to read it and it does cover accidental death too. I would put in the link, but I don't know how to put one in the forum.

I think everyone was wondering about medical insurance for Caylee.

[Katprint]

If Casey goes free, she may go through with her plan to get rid of George and Cindy. MOO
Oh, I don't know. They are not as weak and helpless as a two year old baby, and there are two of them and only one of her. Also, it would be much tougher to stuff both of them in a laundry hamper then double bag them in trash bags then stuff them in her car trunk to dump their bodies, and I just don't think Casey is willing to work that hard. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if someone ends up getting rid of someone, however.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Adonna]

I think everyone was wondering about medical insurance for Caylee.

IMHO Cindy most likely had insurance on Caylee, but I could be wrong of course.

[seeing_eye]

Oh, I don't know. They are not as weak and helpless as a two year old baby, and there are two of them and only one of her. Also, it would be much tougher to stuff both of them in a laundry hamper then double bag them in trash bags then stuff them in her car trunk to dump their bodies, and I just don't think Casey is willing to work that hard. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if someone ends up getting rid of someone, however.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

You're right, Katprint. I obviously hadn't thought that completely through. I forgot about how Casey hates hard work.

[Chardonnay]

Hmmm...Wonder if GA took CA to the Ritz for her birthday and had more crab puffs?

[EverMoth]

I was just wondering, even though nobody can get in the OC's mind, how she thought it was going to play out. Did she really think that LE would continue to search for ZG. She seemed so calm walking through Universal hallways knowing there was no office. I imagine that's how she was used to doing at home "proving her lies untill they gave up". Then oh darn lost the other cell phone with ZG's calls on it. And she never imagined that LE would continue to follow every trail till the end result. Did she even think how stupid she sounded when she took them to Universal because she was trying to think of places Caylee might remember?
Being a parent, hearing this come from your child, I would be screaming to have her in mental health. I truely believe she is insane, but have no doubts she knew right from wrong.
Then facing murder charges she starts a affair with her lawyer. And continues to hold her head high and play victim.
If she would beat the charges and once again be free, I would think she could be capable of anything. JMOO

IMO, Casey has a combination of personality disorders and mental illnesses. She is a real screwed up individal.

Because she is unable to perceive anything other than herself and her own mind, she wouldn't have a clue that throughout all of her lying, changing stories, leading LE on a goose place to a phantom place of employment and contradicting herself all over the place, that what was really happening is that she was leaving a steady stream of bread crumbs all the way to the witch's hut.

In this case, her Narcissism (among other things) convicted her. A "normal" person who has done something wrong or is trying to cover something up, would always be looking at it from the other person's point of view. Casey, imo, is 100% self possessed. She lives in the world of her mind, her thoughts, her ideas, her wants, her needs, HER HER HER. Cindy's face is like a mirror to her. Any "love" she sees in Cindy is love for herself and whatever she likes about herself that Cindy might be reflecting in the moment. JMO of course.

[Adonna]

Hmmm...Wonder if GA took CA to the Ritz for her birthday and had more crab puffs?

CRAB PUFFS would seem appropriate! :thumbsup:

[Sun]

[QUOTE=Adonna;13173376][QUOTE=Sandy001;13172019]


Isn't the Gerber insurance LIFE insurance?

I'm wondering what they did for insurance for this child also, though it isn't really important to the case, unless its a point of contention between Cindy and Casey. It's possible she had the child on her work insurance, I can't see Cindy allowing the baby to go for years without health care, it reflects badly on her. And we know by now how important to her, her image is.

Casey told the DCF worker that Caylee first had BlueCross then she switched her to something else (I can't remember this name). So Casey was telling the DCF worker that Caylee was insured. ....of course we know that everything out of Casey's lips is a lie.

[Sun]

The whole time LE was questioning her she knew that Caylee was in a garbage bag in the woods. :crying:

Exactly! JMOT

[Chardonnay]

[QUOTE=farrahrani;13173400][QUOTE=Adonna;13173376]

Casey told the DCF worker that Caylee first had BlueCross then she switched her to something else (I can't remember this name). So Casey was telling the DCF worker that Caylee was insured. ....of course we know that everything out of Casey's lips is a lie.

Typical Casey, to embellish the fact that Caylee first had Blue Cross then it was bought out by Cigna... Why not just say Caylee was covered by Cigna? ARGH !!

[AnnInOhio]

I didn't see this post. Baez doesn't even mention his "premeditated" reasoning that he used in court if this article is accurate.

Good Grief. IMO, this will never fly like this let alone if he did use his premeditated stance.

Guess there's a reason why Baez isn't certified to handle a death penalty case, eh? Have missed ya, Neffy!

[djmsmom]

[QUOTE=Sun;13173482][QUOTE=farrahrani;13173400]

Typical Casey, to embellish the fact that Caylee first had Blue Cross then it was bought out by Cigna... Why not just say Caylee was covered by Cigna? ARGH !!

Which means she didn't have ins.

[crimeq]

Bingo!

Her friends passed on to LE the stories Casey had told them about Caylee's father...it was a friend of Lee's home on holiday, a security guard at Universal, a tourist at Universal, an old friend who lives out of state, he is in the military.....

jmo

Right, which probably means it could be any one of them. She doesn't know who Caylee's father is, and that's a terrible embarrassment to Cindy about her virgin daughter.

[~Dramatica~]

Right, which probably means it could be any one of them. She doesn't know who Caylee's father is, and that's a terrible embarrassment to Cindy about her virgin daughter.
I thought it was the immaculate conception :shrug:

[EverMoth]

Right, which probably means it could be any one of them. She doesn't know who Caylee's father is, and that's a terrible embarrassment to Cindy about her virgin daughter.


Yes, that could well be. Or maybe they are all well aware of who the father is and that is one of the skeletons in the closet that can't come out at any cost.

[Chardonnay]

???? Farr didn't post this..I did. Wassssuppp??

Originally Posted by farrahrani

Typical Casey, to embellish the fact that Caylee first had Blue Cross then it was bought out by Cigna... Why not just say Caylee was covered by Cigna? ARGH !!

[EverMoth]

???? Farr didn't post this..I did. Wassssuppp??

Originally Posted by farrahrani

Typical Casey, to embellish the fact that Caylee first had Blue Cross then it was bought out by Cigna... Why not just say Caylee was covered by Cigna? ARGH !!


Something must be up because someone earlier this afternoon was saying that her posts were getting mixed up with someone else's.

[crimeq]

Does anyone recall if Cindy told LE this tale during the interview in which she about flipped a lid when she was asked to swear that the testimony she gave was the truth and nothing but the truth. Or was it that the she flipped when they told her it was recorded?

I am curious as to the purpose of this particular lie. With Cindy there is always a hidden agenda.

I loved her reaction to that interview--so very telling. "What? Nobody told me this was UNDER OATH!" She was as good as swearing to the truth that she'd just told lies and was fully aware of it, and had done so purposely. IMO.

[Chardonnay]

Something must be up because someone earlier this afternoon was saying that her posts were getting mixed up with someone else's.

LKL: Weird !!!!

[Daffodil]

IMO, Casey has a combination of personality disorders and mental illnesses. She is a real screwed up individal.

Because she is unable to perceive anything other than herself and her own mind, she wouldn't have a clue that throughout all of her lying, changing stories, leading LE on a goose place to a phantom place of employment and contradicting herself all over the place, that what was really happening is that she was leaving a steady stream of bread crumbs all the way to the witch's hut.

In this case, her Narcissism (among other things) convicted her. A "normal" person who has done something wrong or is trying to cover something up, would always be looking at it from the other person's point of view. Casey, imo, is 100% self possessed. She lives in the world of her mind, her thoughts, her ideas, her wants, her needs, HER HER HER. Cindy's face is like a mirror to her. Any "love" she sees in Cindy is love for herself and whatever she likes about herself that Cindy might be reflecting in the moment. JMO of course.



I really think Casey is the way she is because of her parents. Look at them. They really had to screw Casey up real bad. Nevertheless, that did not make her kill her daughter. I'm sure there are plenty of peope out there who grew up with worse parents and made good out of their lives.

[Daffodil]

Something must be up because someone earlier this afternoon was saying that her posts were getting mixed up with someone else's.


It is messed up. There are quotes out there that I never made.

[~Dramatica~]

LKL: Weird !!!!

:lol: My new favorite saying.

[Chardonnay]

Mine too Drama!

[Dick Tracy]

The fact that none of the Anthony's and Casey herself never came forward or offered to clear themselves with a lie detector test is damning. Doesn't anyone think so?

HOT QUESTION OF THE NIGHT: DID CAYLEE DIE AT NIGHT OR DURING THE DAY.

SUPPORT YOUR ANSWER.

[gaelicpeas]

I loved her reaction to that interview--so very telling. "What? Nobody told me this was UNDER OATH!" She was as good as swearing to the truth that she'd just told lies and was fully aware of it, and had done so purposely. IMO.Like mother, like daughter.. they both think ahead about 10 minutes...

[gaelicpeas]

The fact that none of the Anthony's and Casey herself never came forward or offered to clear themselves with a lie detector test is damning. Doesn't anyone think so?

HOT QUESTION OF THE NIGHT: DID CAYLEE DIE AT NIGHT OR DURING THE DAY.

SUPPORT YOUR ANSWER.No idea... but I am going with the theory that Caylee died the night of the 16th, while Casey and TonE were watching videos...

[Chardonnay]

The fact that none of the Anthony's and Casey herself never came forward or offered to clear themselves with a lie detector test is damning. Doesn't anyone think so?

HOT QUESTION OF THE NIGHT: DID CAYLEE DIE AT NIGHT OR DURING THE DAY.

SUPPORT YOUR ANSWER.

My bet, Sweet Caylee died the night of Father's Day. After the fight, KC put the duct tape over Caylee's mouth and nose to quiet her down after she got in the car. No way do I believe it was during the next day. Too many holes in GA's story. And in OC's story, dropping of Caylee at Sawgrass between 9a-1p... jmo

[seeing_eye]

The fact that none of the Anthony's and Casey herself never came forward or offered to clear themselves with a lie detector test is damning. Doesn't anyone think so?

HOT QUESTION OF THE NIGHT: DID CAYLEE DIE AT NIGHT OR DURING THE DAY.

SUPPORT YOUR ANSWER.

I believe Casey killed Caylee during the daylight on the 16th at the house while G&C were at work. She then hid the body in the yard till the day the neighbor saw her back her car into the garage. That's when she put the body in the trunk.

[gaelicpeas]

I believe Casey killed Caylee during the daylight on the 16th at the house while G&C were at work. She then hid the body in the yard till the day the neighbor saw her back her car into the garage. That's when she put the body in the trunk.This is pretty much my theory, too.

[Dick Tracy]

Very interesting answers....

I think George Anthony truly did see Casey and Caylee as he stated. It was practically minutes after this blew out that he announced that. So he's not covering something else up. Too early for the Lemming to figure an alibi that quickly for Casey. and besides, he truly wanted his granddaughter just home safe and sound. He may have had the date mixed up, but he knows the last time he remembers seeing her. Just my opinion though.

So, I'm thinking she died during the afternoon of the 16th.

[legalmania]

Hey Caylee well baby girl as usual we miss and love you, somebody took another little girl from her family, so I hope you and your friends can help her cross over, her mommy wasn't a very good person either. So I'm going to dedicate this to you and her, her name is Neveah. Justice will prevail.

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[Dick Tracy]

I believe Casey killed Caylee during the daylight on the 16th at the house while G&C were at work. She then hid the body in the yard till the day the neighbor saw her back her car into the garage. That's when she put the body in the trunk.

HMMMMM.... What hour of the afternoon you thinking there??

[seeing_eye]

HMMMMM.... What hour of the afternoon you thinking there??

I have no idea. My brain's asleep and my body's about to follow.