Wednesday, June 3, 2009 #1

[Unleashed]

This all started because a poster asked if they could give a nickname to Lois because that is her name also. It was as simple as that. Then everybody started getting smart mouthed.

Maybe you're just being "played". You know, "weird fun".

JMO

[legalmania]

You are so right!
I would hope if they implemented this it would be a whole new way of doing things. I wouldn't mind volunteering my time in an orphanage. Really.
JMO

the camp I was talking about not orphanedge during or after World War II was spotless that was some of he conditions, it had to be clean their beds had to be made their clothes clean and pressed and ready for work after breakfast. It was very successful , they even taught them how to save money from their paychecks then the war ended and it was discontinued.

[saywhat04]

It is too bad that it is not easier to terminate parental rights. There are a lot of American prospective parents spending enormous amounts of time, money and effort to adopt children from other countries who could be providing excellent homes for American children currently in pretty bad situations.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I agree. If I ruled the world, parents would have just about exactly ONE shot to get it right. I realize parenting is on-the-job-training, but if you don't go into the job with the basics -- a sense of responsibility, selflessness, morals, ethics, a working brain -- then I don't have a lot patience or sympathy. Children deserve better. That's the long and short of it, imo.

[legalmania]

Maybe you're just being "played". You know, "weird fun".

JMO

Nobody can play me because I'm a player and a player never gets played.

[Oregongal]

I remember how shocked I was at the time, that Cindy would presume to command GOD to make Caylee a guardian angel and assign her to watch over other children. I don't know whether or not that is part of God's plan - maybe God wants Caylee to play and have fun in Heaven rather than immediately get working on Cindy's task - but I seriously doubt God is required to do whatever Cindy tells Him to do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinion

Amen, Kat....AMEN!!!
:thumbsup:
:wub:

[legalmania]

Sounds like a baby sale to me.
That's not a good thing in my book.:thumb down:
JMO

Well it is a baby blackmarket and there is even attorneys involved but because of the three day rule even an attorney can't do anything. I mean the people can sue but they know they'll never see the money. Even surrogates are doing it. That's why their going to other countries.

[Dovey]

It is too bad that it is not easier to terminate parental rights. There are a lot of American prospective parents spending enormous amounts of time, money and effort to adopt children from other countries who could be providing excellent homes for American children currently in pretty bad situations.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

You are so right. I had to sign off with my neighbors and my town because they wanted to start an adoption agency out of thier home to adopt Korean orphans. They were not in it for the $$ they were doing it for the orphans. I asked them why they didn't choose to do American children and they said it's so difficult and so expensive. They have 3 adopted children from Korea.

[seeing_eye]

Man, got a couple hours?

Since you brought up pet adoption, I am encouraged by one small thing. I donate to a fabulous animal organization in Utah, so I get regular newsletters and magazines from them. You'd be amazed at how adopting older and special needs pets is catching on. :smile:

OT: Three of my four foster dogs are 15 years old and one is totally blind. Most of the volunteer foster moms prefer to foster younger dogs and/or puppies. I prefer the seniors because they are usually pretty fragile and need lots of tlc. I can empathize with them too since I'm also old (but not quite so fragile yet). The old ones are probably permanent fosters since no one wants to adopt them.

[legalmania]

Ok Guys....I'm having a real identity crisis. My real name is Lois (from Minnesota) and the name is uncommon enough to make me cringe every time I read the hate about her. We need to come up with a new nic for her.:thumbdown:


Here is he post I was talking about.

[legalmania]

Do you happen to have a link to this "camp or orphanage during or after World War II"? :confused:

No it was on sixty minutes about a year ago, I just can't remember, sorry.

[saywhat04]

The Anthony's has two shots at this and they both failed. Cindy and Casey are so much alike, Caylee didn't have a chance. The child would have grown up just like the both of them.
Everything said and done was in front of Caylee. The stealing, the arguing, the screaming and the physical violence. Caylee would have thought life was all about taking and would have not known what giving was all about. Responsibility would have been tough for her too. Cindy never made Casey or Lee take any responsibility for any of their actions and she always fixed it when they were young. Now that they are of adult age and she can't fix it, she lies to get them out of huge problems. Murder is not a problem, it's a sickness.
JMO

Caylee would've either "learned from the masters" and become like them, or if she was innately a better person than her family with a spirit that had the potential to transcend all the nastiness around her, imo, she would have been crushed by the raging dysfunction of her caretakers. I'm not sure which would have been worse.

But ... we'll never know.

For Caylee :rose:

[saywhat04]

OT: Three of my four foster dogs are 15 years old and one is totally blind. Most of the volunteer foster moms prefer to foster younger dogs and/or puppies. I prefer the seniors because they are usually pretty fragile and need lots of tlc. I can empathize with them too since I'm also old (but not quite so fragile yet). The old ones are probably permanent fosters since no one wants to adopt them.

I'm handing out roses tonite, to special folks. :rose:

:wub:

[saywhat04]

Off to bed, friends. :patriot:

[Katprint]

Well it is a baby blackmarket and there is even attorneys involved but because of the three day rule even an attorney can't do anything. I mean the people can sue but they know they'll never see the money. Even surrogates are doing it. That's why their going to other countries.
Philosophically, I have no problem with the birth mother changing her mind. Not even if she is a contractual surrogate rather than the run-of-the-mill unmarried pregnant mother who had agreed to put her child up for adoption. Also, sometimes the father of a child being given up for adoption will change HIS mind (possibly due to pressure by the paternal grandparents.) Courts enforcing contractual obligations to hand over children in exchange for money even if the parents have had a change of heart simply sounds too much like selling human beings.

All of the adoption attorneys of my acquaintance use an escrow service where the adopting parents deposit the money to reimburse medical bills and living expenses for the birth mother and/or any applicable surrogacy fees. The escrow service holds the money until the adoption judgment is final and then pays the money to the birth mother. If for whatever reason the adoption judgment doesn't happen within a certain amount of time, like 6 months after the baby is born, the escrow service gives money back to the adopting parents. Someone would have to be a fool, or desperate beyond rational thought, to simply hand over thousands of dollars in cash to some stranger.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[ttcRider]

Off to bed, friends. :patriot:

Good night Say! wow, haven't said that in ages. haha :wub:

[Dovey]

There is always the foster program and it's quite rigirous to get qualified for. Last summer my neighbor's who are childless were approved. They received a 13 yr old last summer, her mom was a drug addict.
She came to my door and wanted to know if I had any summer work she could do for me. She seemed nice and so I tried to help her and I hired her for $15.00 an hour to landscape my yard beds. After several weeks my neighbors had to send her back. She lied, stealed and sold things from their home.

Look before you leap.

[CelticDawn]

This all started because a poster asked if they could give a nickname to Lois because that is her name also. It was as simple as that. Then everybody started getting smart mouthed.

THAT Lois already HAS an appripriate nickname :lol: :lol:


or hasnt everybody heard????

[Oregongal]

Hi all :seeya:
For all of you who have praying for me, wishing for me, gifting me with so much love and support....
I've barely been able to check in and try and see what's going on with all my friends here and what's been happening with the case.
Why?
Because for all your prayers, wishing and loving me have brought me to a point where I keep saying...if it wasn't God, I wouldn't believe it....because this house is now on the market.
Last Friday I talked to and started the process of selling this house with a couple of friends (realtor) of my home BFF. She contacted them, they contacted me and whew!... in less than a week, we (the wonderful realtor angels that came into my life at just the right moment...have had 7 people come thru, 1 offer on the table, more prospective buyers/investors coming thru tomorrow.
When I talk to Keisha, my realtor tomorrow, I will find out what came of today's showing. It looks like we will be deciding on several offers.
Everything is working like you all wouldn't believe.
Thank you, thank you!!!!
BUT...don't stop, I love and appreciate you all so much and until this whole rollarcoaster ride is over, I still need you all.
:wub:

I know I owe a couple of peeps emails...I WILL get to you. :wub:

[Unleashed]

Nobody can play me because I'm a player and a player never gets played.

Okay, then. As long as you're sure. :wink:

[CelticDawn]

I am gonna have me a late night snack and go to bd
<I can get away with it cause Hubbie is out of town for a couple of days>

There is still CRACKLIN BREAD!

....and I know.....bad for me....but it came out SOOO GOOD!!!

BOTH batches!

nite Yall

Be safe!

Much love!

[Dick Tracy]

Hi all :seeya:
For all of you who have praying for me, wishing for me, gifting me with so much love and support....
I've barely been able to check in and try and see what's going on with all my friends here and what's been happening with the case.
Why?
Because for all your prayers, wishing and loving me have brought me to a point where I keep saying...if it wasn't God, I wouldn't believe it....because this house is now on the market.
Last Friday I talked to and started the process of selling this house with a couple of friends (realtor) of my home BFF. She contacted them, they contacted me and whew!... in less than a week, we (the wonderful realtor angels that came into my life at just the right moment...have had 7 people come thru, 1 offer on the table, more prospective buyers/investors coming thru tomorrow.
When I talk to Keisha, my realtor tomorrow, I will find out what came of today's showing. It looks like we will be deciding on several offers.
Everything is working like you all wouldn't believe.
Thank you, thank you!!!!
BUT...don't stop, I love and appreciate you all so much and until this whole rollarcoaster ride is over, I still need you all.
:wub:

I know I owe a couple of peeps emails...I WILL get to you. :wub:

I pray for you every night OG.. That is good news!! All it took was a massive prayer request from that one night 4 weeks ago. It's all good!!!!!

[legalmania]

Philosophically, I have no problem with the birth mother changing her mind. Not even if she is a contractual surrogate rather than the run-of-the-mill unmarried pregnant mother who had agreed to put her child up for adoption. Also, sometimes the father of a child being given up for adoption will change HIS mind (possibly due to pressure by the paternal grandparents.) Courts enforcing contractual obligations to hand over children in exchange for money even if the parents have had a change of heart simply sounds too much like selling human beings.

All of the adoption attorneys of my acquaintance use an escrow service where the adopting parents deposit the money to reimburse medical bills and living expenses for the birth mother and/or any applicable surrogacy fees. The escrow service holds the money until the adoption judgment is final and then pays the money to the birth mother. If for whatever reason the adoption judgment doesn't happen within a certain amount of time, like 6 months after the baby is born, the escrow service gives money back to the adopting parents. Someone would have to be a fool, or desperate beyond rational thought, to simply hand over thousands of dollars in cash to some stranger.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Their not fools just desperate, when you try everything and nothing has worked you get desperate. You start trusting the wrong people. I've seen it where the mother threatens to leave if she doesn't get money. These poor people. I think the one that sticks out the most was baby Lisa , I think that is what her name was. Where after two years the father said he was never told he had a baby and won custody after these people had put their heart and soul into this child. The little girl was screaming for what she had come to know as her mother.

[legalmania]

Hi all :seeya:
For all of you who have praying for me, wishing for me, gifting me with so much love and support....
I've barely been able to check in and try and see what's going on with all my friends here and what's been happening with the case.
Why?
Because for all your prayers, wishing and loving me have brought me to a point where I keep saying...if it wasn't God, I wouldn't believe it....because this house is now on the market.
Last Friday I talked to and started the process of selling this house with a couple of friends (realtor) of my home BFF. She contacted them, they contacted me and whew!... in less than a week, we (the wonderful realtor angels that came into my life at just the right moment...have had 7 people come thru, 1 offer on the table, more prospective buyers/investors coming thru tomorrow.
When I talk to Keisha, my realtor tomorrow, I will find out what came of today's showing. It looks like we will be deciding on several offers.
Everything is working like you all wouldn't believe.
Thank you, thank you!!!!
BUT...don't stop, I love and appreciate you all so much and until this whole rollarcoaster ride is over, I still need you all.
:wub:

I know I owe a couple of peeps emails...I WILL get to you. :wub:

Are you going to end up with enough profit to get something for yourself?

[imc_e]

OG, thanks so much for taking the time to send me a note with a hug.

I don't need to know how much money you make off your house,
thats very personal.

We just went through the same thing..and its actually better after the move.

Good luck to you, it really sounds good! :smile:

[legalmania]

I got to go have a good night.

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[Unleashed]

We knew He would do it for you, OG! This is just wonderful news!!!

Prayer works wonders

For OG :rose:

[Unleashed]

Are you going to end up with enough profit to get something for yourself?

:thumbdown::thumbdown: NOYB!

IMO

[seeing_eye]

I'm handing out roses tonite, to special folks. :rose:

:wub:

Aaaaw, thanks bunches, Saywhat.

[seeing_eye]

Hi all :seeya:
For all of you who have praying for me, wishing for me, gifting me with so much love and support....
I've barely been able to check in and try and see what's going on with all my friends here and what's been happening with the case.
Why?
Because for all your prayers, wishing and loving me have brought me to a point where I keep saying...if it wasn't God, I wouldn't believe it....because this house is now on the market.
Last Friday I talked to and started the process of selling this house with a couple of friends (realtor) of my home BFF. She contacted them, they contacted me and whew!... in less than a week, we (the wonderful realtor angels that came into my life at just the right moment...have had 7 people come thru, 1 offer on the table, more prospective buyers/investors coming thru tomorrow.
When I talk to Keisha, my realtor tomorrow, I will find out what came of today's showing. It looks like we will be deciding on several offers.
Everything is working like you all wouldn't believe.
Thank you, thank you!!!!
BUT...don't stop, I love and appreciate you all so much and until this whole rollarcoaster ride is over, I still need you all.
:wub:

I know I owe a couple of peeps emails...I WILL get to you. :wub:

Good luck, OG with everything. Keep us updated because we care.

[Oregongal]

I pray for you every night OG.. That is good news!! All it took was a massive prayer request from that one night 4 weeks ago. It's all good!!!!!

It is DT, it is.
:wub:

[Dovey]

With more medical knowledge more women are able to use IVF instead of adoption. It's not an easy progress, as my DD went through 1 1/2 years of hormone shots. 2 survived for 4 weeks and we lost 1 but we have 1 wonderful beautiful granddaughter.

Knowing how this was a very long difficult process, I do not know how the A's can be so cruel to Caylee. It's very hard for me to understand how they can destroy a memorial to a beautiful child. Do they just not feel and have emotions like someone normal?

[Oregongal]

Are you going to end up with enough profit to get something for yourself?

If everything goes as planned....yes, darlin I will.
:thumbsup:
I am in total control of this whole thing, not the ex. His role will just be signing papers. I have a reference to an attorney, will be calling him tomorrow...who will help me without wanting up front money. He may even be willing to do what I need to do pro bono.
Next thing to pray for. Even tho the divorce decree calls for each of to divide the profit of selling the house...after all fees and such of course, in half...I feel that he should get half, minus the $13,000 extra he accrued when he refied, that I never saw a dime of, and the$4,000 that he has been court ordered to pay me for the value of the classic Camaro we owned together. Hopefully the attorney may only have to write a letter to the ex and the ex won't fight it.

[Dovey]

If they go for a "mental" defense they sure have not made any arrangements for any Psyche exams that I have come across.
Of course there is several months left but Baez has been on this case since December and he's not saying anything but my clients innocent.
If she is innocent I would think he wouldn't play the "mental" defense card. Just sayin...
"mental" what? Cruelty throughout her life?
JMO

I really don't think any medical records could be released so maybe this might be the defense. Annie said in her statement how Casey said she need to go away to get mental help.

Could this be the defense?

[Oregongal]

We knew He would do it for you, OG! This is just wonderful news!!!

Yes we did sweetie and yes it is.
:wub:

[Mayasmimi]

This is the reason why people have such a hard time waiting for an infant. These true stories come out and all these childless couples are gun shy. I have watched many of specials on this very same story.
The same scenario. The child is 2-3 years old and they are vindictive and violent. I feel bad for the children as I do the adults because they become what their environment was at a very young age.:sad:
JMO

You should meet my brother. He knows. I know, through him. He did the best he could.

RIP sweet Lawrence Fobes King.

[Oregongal]

Prayer works wonders

For OG :rose:

Thank you darlin, my most fave flower!
:wub:

[Oregongal]

Good luck, OG with everything. Keep us updated because we care.

Thank you seeing, I will be keeping you all updated as I can.
I will try and post something for you all everyday since you all are walking this path with me.
:wub::wub:

[Oregongal]

I got to go have a good night.

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Good night my music lady, sleep well.
:wub:

[Mayasmimi]

If everything goes as planned....yes, darlin I will.
:thumbsup:
I am in total control of this whole thing, not the ex. His role will just be signing papers. I have a reference to an attorney, will be calling him tomorrow...who will help me without wanting up front money. He may even be willing to do what I need to do pro bono.
Next thing to pray for. Even tho the divorce decree calls for each of to divide the profit of selling the house...after all fees and such of course, in half...I feel that he should get half, minus the $13,000 extra he accrued when he refied, that I never saw a dime of, and the$4,000 that he has been court ordered to pay me for the value of the classic Camaro we owned together. Hopefully the attorney may only have to write a letter to the ex and the ex won't fight it.

Girl....if feel for you, but you don't even know. Try $400,000+.....GONE, with not one decent explanation. "I don't know" doesn't really do it for me. Thank God you figured it out. Sadly, I didn't. Marriage (of course) done and bankrupt. I'd pray, if I thought it would help you. I need to go to Mass. Geesh. I am still cranky, after nearly two years.

Hope all goes well. I wish only great things for you.:smile:

[Oregongal]

If they go for a "mental" defense they sure have not made any arrangements for any Psyche exams that I have come across.
Of course there is several months left but Baez has been on this case since December and he's not saying anything but my clients innocent.
If she is innocent I would think he wouldn't play the "mental" defense card. Just sayin...
"mental" what? Cruelty throughout her life?
JMO

You are so right Dianna, they have pretty well closed themselves off from any mental defect and/or insanity defense.
I do believe tho, when (thinking positive here) Casey is convicted, that is when AL will step in and bring up anything and everything that could have affected Casey 'mentally' thru out her life as she brings in any and all mitigating circumstances of Casey's life, upbringing, etc, to save her from the DP.
The mental anything will probably not be the defense, but it sure will be part of the penalty phase. That's when doors of the Anthony's closets will fly open and all the skeletons will come leaping out and dancing like crazy. They will be freed.
Where's that dancing guy when I need him?
:laugh:

[Mayasmimi]

http://www.rhapsody.com/playlistcentral/playlistdetail?playlistId=ply.11937268

[MiamiNice1]

Hi all
For all of you who have praying for me, wishing for me, gifting me with so much love and support....
I've barely been able to check in and try and see what's going on with all my friends here and what's been happening with the case.
Why?
Because for all your prayers, wishing and loving me have brought me to a point where I keep saying...if it wasn't God, I wouldn't believe it....because this house is now on the market.
Last Friday I talked to and started the process of selling this house with a couple of friends (realtor) of my home BFF. She contacted them, they contacted me and whew!... in less than a week, we (the wonderful realtor angels that came into my life at just the right moment...have had 7 people come thru, 1 offer on the table, more prospective buyers/investors coming thru tomorrow.
When I talk to Keisha, my realtor tomorrow, I will find out what came of today's showing. It looks like we will be deciding on several offers.
Everything is working like you all wouldn't believe.
Thank you, thank you!!!!
BUT...don't stop, I love and appreciate you all so much and until this whole rollarcoaster ride is over, I still need you all.
:wub:

I know I owe a couple of peeps emails...I WILL get to you.

Wow! I was about to sign off when I had the pleasure of reading this, OG!!!

So glad you gave us this wonderful update! This has absolutely made my WEEK! Prayers help to move God's hands and this is just the best news EVER! :thumbsup:

I must get to bed now, Good night, and it is nice to go to sleep knowing you are being taken care of ! :wub:

[Oregongal]

I really don't think any medical records could be released so maybe this might be the defense. Annie said in her statement how Casey said she need to go away to get mental help.

Could this be the defense?

As soon as I read that statement of Annie's, my immediate thought was, Casey knew Annie had a script for Xanex. She played this, I need help, I need to be put away act in hopes that Annie would possibly say, here honey, I have something that will help you.
Annie was very iffy and closed mouthed when any questions were asked of her about Xanex.
I kinda think that she has a legitimate reason, medically or emotionally to have a script for Xanex thru her doc.
She's not only jumpy about someone knowing why she needs Xanex, but I also feel she may have given Casey...when C came and cried to her about feeling like she was having a breakdown, etc...and now Annie is also scared to death that maybe the couple of Xanex she gave to Casey, thinking she was just helping her BFF to calm down......could be the cause of Caylee's death.
And Annie has realized how much Casey played her.
Annie will be very interesting when she is on the witness stand for the pros. I just have a feeling she will tell more than she's told now because by then the emotions that she's holding onto right now will have been bubbling and bubbling til they explode all thru the courtroom.
I have a feeling that Annie D and Tony L will be the star prosecution witnesses at trial.
I don't this little story of Casey being all mental will carry alot of weight to help the defense in any way.

[Oregongal]

Girl....if feel for you, but you don't even know. Try $400,000+.....GONE, with not one decent explanation. "I don't know" doesn't really do it for me. Thank God you figured it out. Sadly, I didn't. Marriage (of course) done and bankrupt. I'd pray, if I thought it would help you. I need to go to Mass. Geesh. I am still cranky, after nearly two years.

Hope all goes well. I wish only great things for you.:smile:

Maya sweetie,
I am so sorry. I feel you pain. I will be praying for you and the great things that will in time be coming your way too.
You said you are two years into the post divorce, lost everything, that rotten *******, where are you God? time.
I am over 5 yrs into it. I locked him out, it took 3 yrs for us to get divorced, then add the 2 1/2 yrs finally divorced.
You will get past this. It may take awhile...I'm the perfect example, but pray darlin, don't lose your faith. Everything else you are feeling is normal, horrible, normal. It will get better!!!!
Hang in there sweetie. You have friends here. You do have God.
Time does really make a difference. It doesn't heal all wounds, but it makes a huge difference in how you will feel when you get to my point in time. And I'm sure there are others here who have walked our path even longer and they would say the same.
(((Hugs Maya)))
:wub:

[Oregongal]

http://www.rhapsody.com/playlistcentral/playlistdetail?playlistId=ply.11937268

OMG the '70s!!! I love it!
:thumbup:

[Oregongal]

Wow! I was about to sign off when I had the pleasure of reading this, OG!!!

So glad you gave us this wonderful update! This has absolutely made my WEEK! Prayers help to move God's hands and this is just the best news EVER! :thumbsup:

I must get to bed now, Good night, and it is nice to go to sleep knowing you are being taken care of ! :wub:

Good night sweet friend, sleep well.
:wub:

[Oregongal]

Hi Oregongal...
Now after reading this it's all coming together as I see it.
When the dust is settled, in comes AL to the rescue....:sneaky:
Either way she's burnt toast in my opinion.
JMO

Yep, Dianna, da di di dah! in rides the 'Angel of Death Row'!!!!
It will be interesting to see her prepare for this trial, filing motions, getting depos, looking deep into Casey and the rest of the Ant's life.
With us getting every Sunshine Law allowed documents et al, we will be at some point in the game, see all the AL collects about the Ant's. How much she uses in court :shrug:
As much as I dislike them, as much as I see they are all troubled one way or another. As much as I hate the way they have forgotten Caylee, yet use her name to profit. Not only $$$, but they have also profited by filling some need in them to be in the camara, media's eye.
I am also fascinated by them and their dysfunction and...and....geez, what? Craziness?
LOL
I am curious and nosey and truly interested in learning thru this family, this case, to want to know the names of those skeletons that come leaping out of the closet as AL does her digging.
:wink:

[Oregongal]

Oh Lord...This is going to take 4-ever!
He said, she said. Taking Cindy's depo for that one I would pay to see.:tonguewag:
JMO

Ya never know, it may not take too long. Perhaps the Ant's will be so afraid of what AL may discover, they could go begging Casey to take a deal.
Hmmmm, nah, won't happen. :wink:
I can't help but dream tho.:wink:
You won't have to pay to see....it will be out there for us to see in one doc dump or another....for free!
LOL

[Oregongal]

Have to say good night all.
Sleep well.
:wub: