Wednesday, June 3, 2009 #1

[Dovey]

Woudn't it be great to see Cindy and George called to testify in chains after this lastest developement. Hopefully they get charged and all be guilty. They have no right to stop, steal a memorial to Caylee. After all who is Caylee to them? Their support of Casey proves they knew the day they got Casey's car with the smell of death and looking in their backyard for a body they totally knew Caylee was dead by Casey and not a Nanny, Zanny the Nanny.

Give it up C,G and Lee Anthony, most of the public knows what you have and what you are doing. I do think Casey will not get a fair trial because of what the A's have done and all the A's should be charged for obstruction.

[desmom]

Anthony P.I. Won't Hand Over Records
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19648782/detail.html

He said he will not release any phone records relating to his work with Anthony or her attorneys, claiming such information is confidential.

Color me confused :confused:

Is there such thing as private investigator/client privilege?

When DC was working for Casey wasn't he also working for JB? Wouldn't his phone records be part of his contract with Casey and JB?

TIA

ETA ~ The article also says Casey later filed a complaint with the Florida Bar against Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, claiming that Baez told him not to call 911 if he discovered Caylee's body.

[Sandy001]

Oozes it, for sure. I'm repeatedly stunned at how adolescent both she and George behave. It's no wonder 22 year-old Casey sat in jail on that video visitation with her face screwed up in a pout and her hand raised in a fist. And it's no wonder the best nearly 30 year-old Lee could do by way of a tribute to his dead niece was wailing "C M A" and kissing his wrist.

Heck, I've seen many adolescents with more mature, appropriate, and genuine behavior than these 4. It's just stunning. I have seen five year olds more mature than the Anthony$

[CelticDawn]

Woudn't it be great to see Cindy and George called to testify in chains after this lastest developement. Hopefully they get charged and all be guilty. They have no right to stop, steal a memorial to Caylee. After all who is Caylee to them? Their support of Casey proves they knew the day they got Casey's car with the smell of death and looking in their backyard for a body they totally knew Caylee was dead by Casey and not a Nanny, Zanny the Nanny.

Give it up C,G and Lee Anthony, most of the public knows what you have and what you are doing. I do think Casey will not get a fair trial because of what the A's have done and all the A's should be charged for obstruction.

I feel like you do Dovey....but being a good catholic I FEAR everytime I start wanting to see them all in jail....ON THE TELE...IN ORANGE JUMPSUITS (or whatever colour they use).....and TOO BAD conway doesnt do anything illegan and get himself arrested TOO!!!......I admit...I WISH TI but deep down I know I should be ashamed of myself.

[Dick Tracy]

I have a few email addresses out there.....and I WILL put any answers I get from Cindy on ebay!!!.....I have children (LIVE CHILDREN) and could use the money!!!

I'm thinking of going to Orlando when the trial starts, and sell BOZO the Waterboy t-shirts, with an image of our favorite defense attorney made to look like Bozo the Clown on the front.

Now that I've spilled the beans on my little plan, if you see someone down there selling those, its not me.

[saywhat04]

Flabbergasted! Why would someone want a yearbook of Casey. Is it her original? I thought she did not graduate. Funny. I wonder if it's hers and what students wrote in it. Too many weirds out there.

LOL

BG

It's not even hers. It's some random yearbook from when she went to high school -- some other student's apparently.

Can't believe anyone would pay $500 for it. I smell a rat. I mean a squirrel. No, wait. Pizza! :sneaky:

[martha]

I am sorry about what I said about the year book I guess cindy got it.I am sure no one would give a penny to see a picture of me. I just can;t look at casey now after what I think she has done. I will be the one praying for forgiveness if she did not do this. I love everyone and I don;t mean to put anyone down but when I think about a mother that would hurt her baby it really gets to me. forgive me folks.jmho

[Sandy001]

Uh, sorry, I don't have a mouse. :crying: try CTL C to copy it and CTL V to past it Be sure to highlight it before you copy it, tho.

[legalmania]

Hi all, been out sick for a week. Trying to catch up w/posts.

Did someone really buy the yearbook? Sort of confused here.

I enjoyed reading many posts, had to lurk and read. Lots of laughs. TY

BG

Gee sorry to hear you were sick it wasn't the swine flu I hope? Somebody supposedly sold a yearbook with Casey pictures in it for I think $ 500, I bet Cindy is gonna have all of Casey's stuff on e-bay tomorrow.

[Sun]

Anthony P.I. Won't Hand Over Records
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19648782/detail.html

He said he will not release any phone records relating to his work with Anthony or her attorneys, claiming such information is confidential.

Color me confused :confused:

Is there such thing as private investigator/client privilege?

When DC was working for Casey wasn't he also working for JB? Wouldn't his phone records be part of his contract with Casey and JB?

TIA

ETA ~ The article also says Casey later filed a complaint with the Florida Bar against Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, claiming that Baez told him not to call 911 if he discovered Caylee's body.

What happened to the high-powered attorney Chaney Mason that was said to be representing DCasey back in March 2009 in regards to the Civil Case? Has DCasey now hired yet another attorney?

[saywhat04]

try CTL C to copy it and CTL V to past it Be sure to highlight it before you copy it, tho.

Where'd missinglink run off to? Hope she knew I was kidding with the BFF's remark. :wub:

[Sandy001]

Me too! And AL's reaction. :w00t: OMH

Do you think the Anthonys are embarrassed? I seriously doubt it. You have to have ethics to be embarrassed. Cindy doesn't consdier anything she does as embarrassing imo - check out her "performance" at the ZG deposition. A normal person would have been humiliated imo

[Sun]

Gee sorry to hear you were sick it wasn't the swine flu I hope? Somebody supposedly sold a yearbook with Casey pictures in it for I think $ 500, I bet Cindy is gonna have all of Casey's stuff on e-bay tomorrow.

I would bet some big money that Cindy would get suspended from eBay quickly if she tries this.

[legalmania]

try CTL C to copy it and CTL V to past it Be sure to highlight it before you copy it, tho.

adding on make sure you click on you url. First if there is anything on your url block and erase and then click and control v.

[Unleashed]

I feel like you do Dovey....but being a good catholic I FEAR everytime I start wanting to see them all in jail....ON THE TELE...IN ORANGE JUMPSUITS (or whatever colour they use).....and TOO BAD conway doesnt do anything illegan and get himself arrested TOO!!!......I admit...I WISH TI but deep down I know I should be ashamed of myself.

Next time you start to worry, CD, picture Cindy destroying a cross. Who do you think is going to get the harsher judgement when the time comes? I'm not a catholic, sometimes I'm not even so good. But I would not DARE mess with a cross.:scared:

JMO

[Sandy001]

I've heard you can (if you have a link, pls post.. all of mine were destroyed and I'd really like to replace them). tia
Ditto - I lost mine in a fire

[really3997]

I'm thinking of going to Orlando when the trial starts, and sell BOZO the Waterboy t-shirts, with an image of our favorite defense attorney made to look like Bozo the Clown on the front.

Now that I've spilled the beans on my little plan, if you see someone down there selling those, its not me.

Well I was thinking of going the court house with my Tshirt. "I am a sad fat blogger and all I got is this t-shirt" Of course green in color

[BobbysGirl]

What is real sad is that there are, IMO, so many sick people including the A family that have no care, respect, dignity for little Caylee. An innocent child being used and abused and exploited in her death.

IMO that is the ultimate disgrace of humanity. Let alone a small child. Yes, Caylee was alone. In real life. Her mother never cared.

The A's should be ashamed of themselves. I doubt they never and will never get a grip on what was done. Nor what they have done with all their lies, deceit and half truths. And, the phrase "never say never" does not apply here. Just like child predators and sex offenders. They cannot be re-habed.

IMHO

BG

[Ckrdpast]

What happened to the high-powered attorney Chaney Mason that was said to be representing DCasey back in March 2009 in regards to the Civil Case? Has DCasey now hired yet another attorney?


Dominic Casey's attorney

Diana M Tennis, Esq.
http://www.tennislaw.com/Home_Page.html

[Dovey]

When I think of how hard it is for some to have children I can't help but wonder how these grandparents are throwing Caylee under. I live beside a couple who have 3 adopted children and I also live across the street from another couple who adopted a child.

I've also been through IVF with my child. We are so grateful for our grandchildren however means they arrived.

I just can't believe how these Anthony's are unhuman as grandparents.

At least I as well as most will love and never forget Caylee. It's a shame her very own grandparents have choosen another path for remembering Caylee.

:rose:

[BobbysGirl]

I am sorry about what I said about the year book I guess cindy got it.I am sure no one would give a penny to see a picture of me. I just can;t look at casey now after what I think she has done. I will be the one praying for forgiveness if she did not do this. I love everyone and I don;t mean to put anyone down but when I think about a mother that would hurt her baby it really gets to me. forgive me folks.jmho

Martha, no need for apology/forgiveness. You have a beautiful heart.

BG

[Sun]

Anthony P.I. Won't Hand Over Records
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19648782/detail.html

He said he will not release any phone records relating to his work with Anthony or her attorneys, claiming such information is confidential.

Sun, color me confused too! Casey/Baez asked for this info from DCasey. DCasey is claiming that he will not turn over any phone records relating to Casey or her attorneys? ....does this make any sense?

Color me confused :confused:

Is there such thing as private investigator/client privilege?

When DC was working for Casey wasn't he also working for JB? Wouldn't his phone records be part of his contract with Casey and JB?

TIA

ETA ~ The article also says Casey later filed a complaint with the Florida Bar against Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, claiming that Baez told him not to call 911 if he discovered Caylee's body.

Shouldn't DCasey or his attorney have been in court last week when the Motion was argued?

[BobbysGirl]

Gee sorry to hear you were sick it wasn't the swine flu I hope? Somebody supposedly sold a yearbook with Casey pictures in it for I think $ 500, I bet Cindy is gonna have all of Casey's stuff on e-bay tomorrow.

I would not doubt that. Obvious, they not making any money off the Bears.

O/T Thank you for concern. Bronchitis. Been over 15 yrs since I had this crud. Been on codeine. YUK. Hate that stuff.

BG

[CelticDawn]

Next time you start to worry, CD, picture Cindy destroying a cross. Who do you think is going to get the harsher judgement when the time comes? I'm not a catholic, sometimes I'm not even so good. But I would not DARE mess with a cross.:scared:

JMO

I would NEVER want cindy anywhere around me....even INSIDE of a church...!!! The holy water might boil and scald everybody there....and the roof might fall in!!!


I know some think I am silly.....but I BELIEVE that there IS PURE EVIL.....and Casey and Cindy were free range evil.....

With any good fortune, Casey is in her box never to be free to do anybody else anything.....I dont see those "NICE ROOMATES' of hers letting her get away with much.

[legalmania]

I'm thinking the accurate description would be 1 bedroom and 3 large closets.

Lots of builders seem to be cramming as many bedrooms as possible, no matter how small, into homes these days (as in, the last what -- couple of decades maybe?). Guess it's what buyers want, but I always wonder what sort of furniture is being jammed into those tiny rooms. Seems like you'd need Classy Closets or whatever to come in and custom-build furniture up against the walls just to allow for moving around in those tiny rooms. Might work for a baby, but for older kids, adults ... office space? Yikes.

That's why I need my 3300sq ft. I've got a coffee table that I'm trying to get in the world book of records it's 16 ft long and weights over 500 pounds. It's in the shape of the state of Florida. I have many bruises.

[BobbysGirl]

I would NEVER want cindy anywhere around me....even INSIDE of a church...!!! The holy water might boil and scald everybody there....and the roof might fall in!!!


I know some think I am silly.....but I BELIEVE that there IS PURE EVIL.....and Casey and Cindy were free range evil.....

With any good fortune, Casey is in her box never to be free to do anybody else anything.....I dont see those "NICE ROOMATES' of hers letting her get away with much.

I so agree w/ your last 2 statements. About time.
Her ex roomies won't allow it. IMO

BG

[BobbysGirl]

I so agree w/ your last 2 statements. About time.
Her ex roomies won't allow it. IMO

BG

oooooooooops. I thought the codiene wore off.

BBL Gotta fix Bobby food. :)

BG

[legalmania]

I would not doubt that. Obvious, they not making any money off the Bears.

O/T Thank you for concern. Bronchitis. Been over 15 yrs since I had this crud. Been on codeine. YUK. Hate that stuff.

BG

Oh I know how you feel I have a lung disease myself, they thought it was asthma when I was a kid, but they said they don't know what I have, I've never smoked. I'm on morphine it doesn't even affect me. I've been a government experiment since I was born. Stay well.

[Sun]

Excuse me, but I do not follow this thread every day and go back to skim prev posts to catch up. I missed seeing this, if it was already posted.

Has a request for delay of trial been put forth?

Do you know if a new date has been set?

Thanks much for the info.

CJ

No formal request to the court. Though the newest attorney Lyon, did broadcast to the media/public that this trial would NOT be happening in October.

[Sandy001]

Excuse me, but I do not follow this thread every day and go back to skim prev posts to catch up. I missed seeing this, if it was already posted.

Has a request for delay of trial been put forth?

Do you know if a new date has been set?

Thanks much for the info.

CJ

I don't think they've filed a motion to delay the trial yet.

[Ckrdpast]

No formal request to the court. Though the newest attorney Lyon, did broadcast to the media/public that this trial would NOT be happening in October.


i was watching the higbee trial on trutv yesterday--LKB was a guest and she said it would probably go to trial June 2010

[legalmania]

Excuse me, but I do not follow this thread every day and go back to skim prev posts to catch up. I missed seeing this, if it was already posted.

Has a request for delay of trial been put forth?

Do you know if a new date has been set?

Thanks much for the info.

CJ

I believe Baez put in a motion to waive speedy trial, soon after Caylee's body was found.

[Steps]

When I think of how hard it is for some to have children I can't help but wonder how these grandparents are throwing Caylee under. I live beside a couple who have 3 adopted children and I also live across the street from another couple who adopted a child.

I've also been through IVF with my child. We are so grateful for our grandchildren however means they arrived.

I just can't believe how these Anthony's are unhuman as grandparents.

At least I as well as most will love and never forget Caylee. It's a shame her very own grandparents have choosen another path for remembering Caylee.

:rose:

I understand how you feel, Dovey! As the grandmother of 2 adopted children I realize how sad it is that there are alot of families that would have loved to given Caylee a wonderful life. It's a shame that Casey didn't seek counseling before she allowed her mother to talk her into keeping a child that she never wanted.

[True2Blues]

I don't think they've filed a motion to delay the trial yet.

If they work the Jose way they will do a lot of posturing first, and no real action.

[SandyO]

i was watching the higbee trial on trutv yesterday--LKB was a guest and she said it would probably go to trial June 2010

ANOTHER year! At least Casey languishes in jail during this time and she isn't out on bail enjoying her freedom. This is another glitch in our justice system in my opinion --- that it takes so long to get a case to trial. I've always heard the defense likes delay and that it gives them a better chance.

[legalmania]

ANOTHER year! At least Casey languishes in jail during this time and she isn't out on bail enjoying her freedom. This is another glitch in our justice system in my opinion --- that it takes so long to get a case to trial. I've always heard the defense likes delay and that it gives them a better chance.


Geeze they really have nothing. Maybe there having someone's face reconstructed to come up with a zanny.

[Sun]

i was watching the higbee trial on trutv yesterday--LKB was a guest and she said it would probably go to trial June 2010

Unless "Professor" Lyon is planning on taking time off from her teaching, a Summer trial date sounds likely. 2011 or 2012 is more likely than 2010, IMO.

[Ckrdpast]

Unless "Professor" Lyon is planning on taking time off from her teaching, a Summer trial date sounds likely. 2011 or 2012 is more likely than 2010, IMO.

doesnt she have a couple of classes of budding law students? im sure they will do alot extra assignments for her

[legalmania]

That is the only way they will find one. I wish they would tighten up Cindy's face a little so she could not make faces -


Like some of the women out in California that have a constant smile with the matching duck lips?

[CelticDawn]

Hello Annie - I can understand that. A former manager of mine in Corporate Security in a MidWestern Bank was a retired Detective in the Detroit Police department. He had trained at Quantico and had/has many friends in the FBI. When Ted Bundy was executed, one of his FBI friends faxed him a photo of Bundy dead.

I saw the photo and asked him why he kept it. He told me "Well, when you spend your life chasing the Devil - when the Devil finally gets his "Due" - it a measure of satisfaction."

I understood that then and I understand that now.

CJ
Oh wow....My husband trained at quantico too!...

He has his own "demons'....after seeing so much....having to get into the heads of so many lowlifes......I will be SO GLAD when he retires....although it wont be a TRUE retirement....He plans to continue his education and write ....and still consult!! (I personally wish he would just sit around and be lazy.....basket weave....forget all the Dark spirits he has encountered)

[legalmania]

doesnt she have a couple of classes of budding law students? im sure they will do alot extra assignments for her

I wonder if Baez still has his class? His students have got to be thinking gee is this guy know what he's talking about?

[marshmallow]

I wonder if Baez still has his class? His students have got to be thinking gee is this guy know what he's talking about?



I'm not sure Baez has ever had any class.

good question though, I hadn't thought about him possibly still teaching.

[101Spots]

I'm not sure Baez has ever had any class.

good question though, I hadn't thought about him possibly still teaching.

:lol:.......:lol:.........:lol:

<snort>

[Sun]

I'm not sure Baez has ever had any class.

good question though, I hadn't thought about him possibly still teaching.

Baez sure didn't seem to benefit from his own students, ...wonder why? LOL

Didn't Lyon mention to the media that she had already exposed her students to this case?

[bluwaters]

Casey Anthony: Will George and Cindy be charged?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-will-george-and-cindy-be-charged.html

[legalmania]

Baez sure didn't seem to benefit from his own students, ...wonder why? LOL

Didn't Lyon mention to the media that she had already exposed her students to this case?

What her students live in the congo? How could they not be exposed to this case?

[vagal]

Does anyone know when they are expected back in court? Maybe for the judges ruling on the tape.

[really3997]

Casey Anthony: Will George and Cindy be charged?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-will-george-and-cindy-be-charged.html

Fingers crossed

[Sun]

Does anyone know when they are expected back in court? Maybe for the judges ruling on the tape.

Lyon and LKB were not available any earlier than June 22. No date has yet been set.

[AMS]

Fingers crossed

really - is the memorial growing in size again?

Thanks.

imo

[really3997]

really - is the memorial growing in size again?

Thanks.

imo

nothing has been put up as of yet.

[bluwaters]

Fingers crossed
There you are!:seeya:
I was worried that you might be getting chased around the neighborhood today :w00t:
Whew-
glad to see that Officer Mertz hasn't pulled you over...:chicken:

[CelticDawn]

Fingers crossed

You know????...If it didnt involve that Lois woman......It might go somewhere



Did they get any vid of the actual CHASE on their cellphones?.....






<I WISH CONWAY WOULD SHUT UP!!!!!>

[desmom]

Unless "Professor" Lyon is planning on taking time off from her teaching, a Summer trial date sounds likely. 2011 or 2012 is more likely than 2010, IMO.

She must take a leave of absence or something for trials because she was on George Ryan's defense team. His trial was 7 months long. He was found guilty in April 2006. jmo

[Dovey]

I understand how you feel, Dovey! As the grandmother of 2 adopted children I realize how sad it is that there are alot of families that would have loved to given Caylee a wonderful life. It's a shame that Casey didn't seek counseling before she allowed her mother to talk her into keeping a child that she never wanted.

I'm sure you love yours with your whole heart. I know these parents do also. I'm sure if IVF didn't work out adoption was the next avenue and I know I would have loved then however I was blessed with a grandchild.
A big TY and God Bless your grandchildren.

[legalmania]

Hello, legal mania! Been awhile since we posted "together".

"Delay" works for both the Prosecution and the Defense. The Prosecution, I think, cannot ask for a Delay. When the Defense asks for a "Speedy Trial" the Pros has to jump through hoops to be ready - they have no choice.

This case rests entirely on circumstantial evidence (as many cases do). The Pros must cross all their T's and dot all their i's to be able to win a conviction. So a "delay" can work for both sides.

Delays are frustrating for us Trial Watchers. I vividly remember the 2 year delay in bringing Phil Spector to trial. I would think that Courts set a time limit for "New Attorneys" to familiarize themselves with the case.

I do not know that time limit - but I would surmise that it is NOT indefinite.

CJ

I guess you forgot I know all about the hurry up and wait court system. Remember I worked as a paralegal for the d.a. I thought Baez waived his speedy trial rights? I only know about South Florida but there is a shortage of judges. You got judges doing criminal and probate. It's ridiculous. I think the prosecution has some really strong evidence. I get worried sometimes when these doc reports come out because I can see some juror finding reasonable doubt.

[Unleashed]

Fingers crossed

Lee over Cindy. Both hands.

[really3997]

There you are!:seeya:
I was worried that you might be getting chased around the neighborhood today :w00t:
Whew-
glad to see that Officer Mertz hasn't pulled you over...:chicken:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeH8uV6ptcQ

Here what I think the A's house was like after the chase

[bluwaters]

Obstruction of Justice is only concerned with a person who has 'obstructed' LE in obtaining data in the case involved.

The excessive interviews in the Press do not constitute "Obstruction". Law Enforcement do not concern themselves with these "Opinions". If it is ever found AND verified that the Anthonys lied during the investigation - then and only then can the Anthonys can be charged with "Obstruction".
This is not about obstruction.
This refers to the incident on Monday night...

ETA: Women file complaint about car chase involving George and Cindy Anthony
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-anthony-chase-060209,0,317536.story

[EverMoth]

I understand how you feel, Dovey! As the grandmother of 2 adopted children I realize how sad it is that there are alot of families that would have loved to given Caylee a wonderful life. It's a shame that Casey didn't seek counseling before she allowed her mother to talk her into keeping a child that she never wanted.

It's just a shame that the baby was even born in the first place. IMO, Casey is coniving and evil enough to have kept the baby just so she would have some bargaining power on Cindy (to put it mildly) IMO

[legalmania]

You know????...If it didn't involve that Lois woman......It might go somewhere



Did they get any video of the actual CHASE on their cellphones?.....






<I WISH CONWAY WOULD SHUT UP!!!!!>

I think unfortunately it will be the A's word against the other parties word.

[CelticDawn]

She must take a leave of absence or something for trials because she was on George Ryan's defense team. His trial was 7 months long. He was found guilty in April 2006. jmo

Also....she could still have her class....Its not like some undergrad class.....The group could do a field oriented class...

[CelticDawn]

I think unfortunately it will be the A's word against the other parties word.

You know....as much as I cant stand the Anthonys...going into their neighborhood is kinda tacky.....and then come to find out it was LOIS and a friend......

[legalmania]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeH8uV6ptcQ

Here what I think the A's house was like after the chase


No it was more like this

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[bluwaters]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeH8uV6ptcQ

Here what I think the A's house was like after the chase
:rolling santa:

Well, please keep us informed, but be careful. :smile:

[really3997]

You know....as much as I cant stand the Anthonys...going into their neighborhood is kinda tacky.....and then come to find out it was LOIS and a friend......

I agree to a point, however it was what people wanted to know. Just happened to be the wrong person lurking. If it was someone not involved with them prior it would have been a totally different story. But who chases cars someone guilty of something JMO

[MiamiNice1]

You've missed nothing today except a yearbook from Casey's high school just supposedly sold on eBay for $499.99.

Other than that, we're just continuing discussion of that dang jail video tape from December 11th, and chuckling over the Midnight Ride of the Ricardos and Mertz's last night. :biggrin:
Catching up but had to comment on "the Midnight Ride of the Ricardos and Mertz's" - .....:lol:.......:thumbsup:

[legalmania]

LOL! No, My Dear, I didn't forget your knowledge of the Criminal Justice System. I'm sorry if you misread my post - My Bad. I need your input as I do not know the Florida System. As far as I have seen/read - all the evidence is circumstantial. Tough Go for any Prosecutor.

You have always helped me to understand the "Court"

Thank You

CJ

Any time CJ, but actually I quit the criminal system, I wanted to kill everybody so I changed to civil, but I moved to Georgia because south Florida has become the arm pit of the United States. So now I'm in a little town in Georgia helping the senior citizens with their wills, social security and teaching computer. I only ask for my cost but they are more than generous. It snows here and is so peaceful and cheaper. To look out my window and see hills instead of flat concrete is so refreshing.

[CelticDawn]

I agree to a point, however it was what people wanted to know. Just happened to be the wrong person lurking. If it was someone not involved with them prior it would have been a totally different story. But who chases cars someone guilty of something JMO
I just think people cruising their neighborhood is kinda tacky.....Going TO the memorial where her body was found could be done in a different way....at a different time.....(but what were THEY doing there if they didnt go there <as per george>???...How did they KNOW they were there???....So many questions

Yeah...I agree with you....people wanted to know.....but LOIS, considering her history with the anthonys..... had NO BUSINESS going anywhere near their neighborhood.....and there are PLENTY of places to put up Memorials of caylee....Heck, I am all the way in Louisiana and my kids planted a tree on our property for her!

[really3997]

I just think people cruising their neighborhood is kinda tacky.....Going TO the memorial where her body was found could be done in a different way....at a different time.....(but what were THEY doing there if they didnt go there <as per george>???...How did they KNOW they were there???....So many questions

Yeah...I agree with you....people wanted to know.....but LOIS, considering her history with the anthonys..... had NO BUSINESS going anywhere near their neighborhood.....and there are PLENTY of places to put up Memorials of caylee....Heck, I am all the way in Louisiana and my kids planted a tree on our property for her!

:crying: but you guys want me too

[EverMoth]

Good catch EverMoth. Good catch. Now that sounds like Casey. (manipulator)
JMO

Master manipulator, liar, child killer. Dimbulb.

[CelticDawn]

It's just a shame that the baby was even born in the first place. IMO, Casey is coniving and evil enough to have kept the baby just so she would have some bargaining power on Cindy (to put it mildly) IMO

I have to disagree with you on that part.....It is a shame that caylee was born INTO THAT DEN OF DEMONS.....but EVERY LIFE HAS A PURPOSE.....and I do believe that despite the horrific way that caylees life probably was....and the terrible and untimely way of her demise, her life serves a great purpose.....we are here discussing her for a purpose....Many other 'bloggers" etc are following this case for a reason.....Some of us may be learning valuable lessons from caylees life and death....Others may be teaching others something based on caylees life and death

.....and I will stop rambling now.....

[True2Blues]

Prof. Lyons - Also said Casey was innocent.

Prof. Lyons - She said she did not know anything nad had not read anything about the case.

Prof. Lyons - Now she has exposed her students to the case without knowing anything about it.

What is going on with her? Sound like she has only talked to Baez about his girl and not looked at any evidence.

She'll fit right in with the defense team then.

[gaelicpeas]

I understand how you feel, Dovey! As the grandmother of 2 adopted children I realize how sad it is that there are alot of families that would have loved to given Caylee a wonderful life. It's a shame that Casey didn't seek counseling before she allowed her mother to talk her into keeping a child that she never wanted.I am way behind... but anyway, many posters have said that the Anthonys should have focused their foundation on families who have had children murdered by family members.

But, I think it would be better to start a foundation that would somehow encourage women who have babies and don't really want to be mothers... to have a foundation that would encourage them to place the baby for adoption. There are so many people that want to be parents that can't be, for whatever reason.

[EverMoth]

Originally Posted by saywhat04
Oozes it, for sure. I'm repeatedly stunned at how adolescent both she and George behave. It's no wonder 22 year-old Casey sat in jail on that video visitation with her face screwed up in a pout and her hand raised in a fist. And it's no wonder the best nearly 30 year-old Lee could do by way of a tribute to his dead niece was wailing "C M A" and kissing his wrist.

my bold

Interesting - I always thought that Lee was secretly referring to Casey - her intials are also CMA.

[CelticDawn]

:crying: but you guys want me too

but YOU dont harrass them.....not that Lois was either....but LOIS SHOULD HAVE KNOWN TO STAY OUT OF THERE!!!



Sorry....thats now how I emant it.....

ETA.....AND BY what were they doing there?...I meant george and company....How did they know what they "needed to destroy" if they hadnt been there and been aware.....It was NOT on THEIR property so they had NO BUSINESS being there...

[djmsmom]

I just think people cruising their neighborhood is kinda tacky.....Going TO the memorial where her body was found could be done in a different way....at a different time.....(but what were THEY doing there if they didnt go there <as per george>???...How did they KNOW they were there???....So many questions

Yeah...I agree with you....people wanted to know.....but LOIS, considering her history with the anthonys..... had NO BUSINESS going anywhere near their neighborhood.....and there are PLENTY of places to put up Memorials of caylee....Heck, I am all the way in Louisiana and my kids planted a tree on our property for her!

I don't think they knew it was C and G doing it. They might have wanted to catch vandals in the act. Considering the amount of stuff left at the first memorial there are many people who wanted to mark the place where poor Caylee was found.

[BobbysGirl]

You know....as much as I cant stand the Anthonys...going into their neighborhood is kinda tacky.....and then come to find out it was LOIS and a friend......

HI CD,

I know little of Lois. May I ask how old Dakota is. I rem seeing something of her on the news.

TIA

BG

[bluwaters]

:crying: but you guys want me too
not to worry really...
you have a valid reason to be there, school and all...
and, you are a resident of the area...

It's Milstead cruising up and down with his fake policeman toy lights that really creeps me out! :scared:

[EverMoth]

I have to disagree with you on that part.....It is a shame that caylee was born INTO THAT DEN OF DEMONS.....but EVERY LIFE HAS A PURPOSE.....and I do believe that despite the horrific way that caylees life probably was....and the terrible and untimely way of her demise, her life serves a great purpose.....we are here discussing her for a purpose....Many other 'bloggers" etc are following this case for a reason.....Some of us may be learning valuable lessons from caylees life and death....Others may be teaching others something based on caylees life and death

.....and I will stop rambling now.....

Well said. Thanks for getting me to think and feel a little deeper. What you are saying is true. I'm just not sure I want to be learning these types of lessons as a result of such a tragic little life and horrible death. Can you imagine being killed by your mother? I wonder what Casey was like with her in private - "the little snot".

[Unleashed]

:crying: but you guys want me too

Don't forget, really, you'll have us for company!! We've got your back.:thumbup:

[MiamiNice1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeH8uV6ptcQ

Here what I think the A's house was like after the chase

Tears of laughter - you killed me with this!!!

I don't know if you saw my earlier post mentioning how I literally laughed out loud last night when you referred to the Anthonys/Milsteads as Lucy, Ricky, Fred and Ethel!!!

:laugh:................:lol:.................... :thumbsup:

[gaelicpeas]

Maybe our government needs to put out some public service announcements to the effect of "If you don't want your baby, there are many people who DO want your baby. Please consider adoption." There are just too many babies being murdered by their parents.

[Unleashed]

Originally Posted by saywhat04
Oozes it, for sure. I'm repeatedly stunned at how adolescent both she and George behave. It's no wonder 22 year-old Casey sat in jail on that video visitation with her face screwed up in a pout and her hand raised in a fist. And it's no wonder the best nearly 30 year-old Lee could do by way of a tribute to his dead niece was wailing "C M A" and kissing his wrist.

my bold

Interesting - I always thought that Lee was secretly referring to Casey - her intials are also CMA.

Nobody can convince me he wasn't saying Cover My *** to Casey.

[True2Blues]

I don't think they knew it was C and G doing it. They might have wanted to catch vandals in the act. Considering the amount of stuff left at the first memorial there are many people who wanted to mark the place where poor Caylee was found.

No matter whether Lois gets along with the A's or not, she has as much right to be on a public street as anyone else. She wasn't at the A home and she wasn't harassing them in any way. The A's and the Milsteads were doing the harassing.

[really3997]

but YOU dont harrass them.....not that Lois was either....but LOIS SHOULD HAVE KNOWN TO STAY OUT OF THERE!!!



Sorry....thats now how I emant it.....

ETA.....AND BY what were they doing there?...I meant george and company....How did they know what they "needed to destroy" if they hadnt been there and been aware.....It was NOT on THEIR property so they had NO BUSINESS being there...

no worries I knew what you meant:wub:As far as RICKY and LUCY hello there is only one memorial that they didn't touch that was their own. The Hour of Power with the rolling Billboard at the entrance. There is no shame to these people. JMO

[really3997]

not to worry really...
you have a valid reason to be there, school and all...
and, you are a resident of the area...

It's Milstead cruising up and down with his fake policeman toy lights that really creeps me out! :scared:

Uh oh...Last day of school was today

[BobbysGirl]

She'll fit right in with the defense team then.

Hi T2B

I have a ? It is bugging me and have no link. I was watching HLN , JVM or NG after the hearing. I saw Lyon on TV saying 'if she is innocent'. blah blah. I caught that and immediate wrote what I thought I heard her say.

I am curious about Lyon. She has some things going on in her head. I am a people, body language watcher. Also, watched the hearing on TruTV. After the hearing and they all got up, to leave, Baez put his hand on Caseys back as they were ready to exit. I also saw Baez, start to put his hand on her back again and he drew his arm back. I said to self, "Watch out, Baez, they got your back" All IMO and recollection.

TIA

BG

[bluwaters]

I don't think they knew it was C and G doing it. They might have wanted to catch vandals in the act. Considering the amount of stuff left at the first memorial there are many people who wanted to mark the place where poor Caylee was found.
You know, I think that they did think that it was C&G and hoped to catch them. Lois even said she yelled something like Gotcha! when they snapped the photo of George. Lois' story is a bit different in each interview as well. The interview she gave to the OS is not as dramatic as the one she gave to WESH.
In the first, she sees something in Cindy's hand and then Cindy closes the trunk.
Later, Lois sees Cindy take the cross.

I don't think that this little diversion will result in charges against anyone. If I were Lois, I would be concerned about CPS questioning why Dakota was with her on a stake out! What was she thinking?

Still, Lois did expose the A's in yet another lie - we can't bear to go down there and she make it look very likely that the A's are lying when they say they don't know who took the memorial down.

I think that they are all losers with a capital L in this caper! :rolleyes:

[gaelicpeas]

Maybe I am off base here.. but we know this family is dysfunctional. Can we not, as a group, do something to further the colllective goal of finding some good out of this mess? I say we lobby our legislators for something along the lines of "Don't harm your baby. We HAVE people that will adopt them!" What do you think?

[101Spots]

but YOU dont harrass them.....not that Lois was either....but LOIS SHOULD HAVE KNOWN TO STAY OUT OF THERE!!!



Sorry....thats now how I emant it.....

ETA.....AND BY what were they doing there?...I meant george and company....How did they know what they "needed to destroy" if they hadnt been there and been aware.....It was NOT on THEIR property so they had NO BUSINESS being there...

Lois was wrong. She had to know that her actions would antagonize the Anthonys.

The Anthonys were wronger. They had no business taking down the memorial.

The Milsteads were wrongest. He should not have flashing pseudo-police lights.

MOO.

[EverMoth]

Nobody can convince me he wasn't saying Cover My *** to Casey.

Wow. I never thought of anything like that. The way he said it though. . .it sounded like a message in code. Every initial forcefully pronounced with a pause after each initial. I remember feeling it to be very strange and didn't think he was referring to Caylee.

[legalmania]

I pretty well got that from what she said at the news conference the other day. "Several months before she gets finished with all motions"..:huh:
I knew there would be major stalling after she came on board.:rolleyes:
JMO

She needs time to prepare bla bla bla. Baez is doing it on purpose he's doing things to delay this case. Well the judge is going to put his foot down and set a date for them.

[bluwaters]

While the Anthony's and the Milstead's are out chasing cars and stealing wooden crosses, who's minding the store for missing children. :sneaky:
What a bunch of phonies!!! They could have been doing something constructive in the time they were planning there neighborhood heist.
JMO
There is a young woman just about Casey's age missing right now in Orlando yet they don't seem to be involved in helping with that search.
Maybe they'll take the boat out tomorrow and look around, ya think?
That poor girl's parents are beside themselves too.

[Unleashed]

I have to disagree with you on that part.....It is a shame that caylee was born INTO THAT DEN OF DEMONS.....but EVERY LIFE HAS A PURPOSE.....and I do believe that despite the horrific way that caylees life probably was....and the terrible and untimely way of her demise, her life serves a great purpose.....we are here discussing her for a purpose....Many other 'bloggers" etc are following this case for a reason.....Some of us may be learning valuable lessons from caylees life and death....Others may be teaching others something based on caylees life and death

.....and I will stop rambling now.....

Know what it taught me, CD?

Being on these boards has taught me that there is much love out there for a little girl that we have not even met.
We have come together and through our commitment to justice we have made a difference - ask LK.
We have shared laughter, anger, tears, hope and despair. And ultimately, heartbreak.
Despite what I may think of others sometimes, I have learned that the majority are good.
I thank Caylee for that.

:rose: RIP, baby girl.

[saywhat04]

Originally Posted by saywhat04
Oozes it, for sure. I'm repeatedly stunned at how adolescent both she and George behave. It's no wonder 22 year-old Casey sat in jail on that video visitation with her face screwed up in a pout and her hand raised in a fist. And it's no wonder the best nearly 30 year-old Lee could do by way of a tribute to his dead niece was wailing "C M A" and kissing his wrist.

my bold

Interesting - I always thought that Lee was secretly referring to Casey - her intials are also CMA.

So are his mother's. He claims he was addressing all 3, for whatever squirrely reason. My point was that whatever the hell he was doing, he made a roaring spectacle of himself, because the whole family is adolescent and inappropriate, regardless of the situation. I cringe every time I remember his performance at that "memorial for Caylee." Gawd. :tongueside:

[Lapis]

Why wouldn't JB address this at the time it occured? Lapis, if he doesn't file some kind of complaint at the time, doesn't this hurt his chances of proving that it happened?

I had to leave for a while. If this has already been addressed I am sorry. According to the deposition I would suspect he reported it to the guard on duty and it has not been passed up the chain of command. But the rights belong to Casey and her attorney cannot waive them. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

That's an excellent Idea and I would get involved.
Thank you for responding, Dianna. There is just so much media and worldwide focus on this case. Surely we can find something here to do some good with.

[True2Blues]

Hi T2B

I have a ? It is bugging me and have no link. I was watching HLN , JVM or NG after the hearing. I saw Lyon on TV saying 'if she is innocent'. blah blah. I caught that and immediate wrote what I thought I heard her say.

I am curious about Lyon. She has some things going on in her head. I am a people, body language watcher. Also, watched the hearing on TruTV. After the hearing and they all got up, to leave, Baez put his hand on Caseys back as they were ready to exit. I also saw Baez, start to put his hand on her back again and he drew his arm back. I said to self, "Watch out, Baez, they got your back" All IMO and recollection.

TIA

BG

I don't know anything about Lyon. I can't even imagine why she's involving herself in this case. She's the new addition and I think everyone is curious about her. I don't know much about body language either, but when Baez puts a hand on Casey all it says to me is that it's something he's way too comfortable and familiar with concerning a client.

[EverMoth]

So are his mother's. He claims he was addressing all 3, for whatever squirrely reason. My point was that whatever the hell he was doing, he made a roaring spectacle of himself, because the whole family is adolescent and inappropriate, regardless of the situation. I cringe every time I remember his performance at that "memorial for Caylee." Gawd. :tongueside:

I felt the same way. I haven't seen a lot of comments about Lee on here. He obviously knows Casey was involved, imo. He acts like the two of them are joined at the hip.

[EverMoth]

I don't know anything about Lyon. I can't even imagine why she's involving herself in this case. She's the new addition and I think everyone is curious about her. I don't know much about body language either, but when Baez puts a hand on Casey all it says to me is that it's something he's way too comfortable and familiar with concerning a client.

AL's involvement could have something with her book coming out - "Angel of Death". . . :ohmy:

[gaelicpeas]

Okay, folks, I will try again. I got one response before to my post. There are literally TONS of people involved in this case.. involved, I mean, as people like us.. people who really don't have any personal involvement in this case, but we feel outraged. I personally feel that the justice system will take care of the perp in this case. In the meantime, is there something WE can do as a community to lessen the likelihood of something like this occurring in the future?? Can we write to our state and federal legislators asking them to do major media coverage of missing children and telling mothers that there ARE options. There ARE people willing to adopt their children.

This is just such a huge case.. so much publicity. There HAS to be something good that comes of this. IMO, this is one thing that could work. JMO

[AMS]

Okay, folks, I will try again. I got one response before to my post. There are literally TONS of people involved in this case.. involved, I mean, as people like us.. people who really don't have any personal involvement in this case, but we feel outraged. I personally feel that the justice system will take care of the perp in this case. In the meantime, is there something WE can do as a community to lessen the likelihood of something like this occurring in the future?? Can we write to our state and federal legislators asking them to do major media coverage of missing children and telling mothers that there ARE options. There ARE people willing to adopt their children.

This is just such a huge case.. so much publicity. There HAS to be something good that comes of this. IMO, this is one thing that could work. JMO

Hi - I think this is a great idea!! I have to run to pick up my DD right now. Count me in for the brainstorming and action.

imo

[True2Blues]

AL's involvement could have something with her book coming out - "Angel of Death". . . :ohmy:

I'd think association with that bunch would be publicity she could do without, but maybe she thinks it's a great idea.

There are some attorneys who are so against the DP that they'll defend any Evil creature. Maybe she's one of those?

[gaelicpeas]

I will keep trying.. .It is clear that the Anthonys are not going to do anything really beneficial. They are out to make money.

So, is there some way that we, as the public, can turn this case into something that will really help? Can we get a message out to dead-beat mothers that there IS an alternative?

[gaelicpeas]

Hi - I think this is a great idea!! I have to run to pick up my DD right now. Count me in for the brainstorming and action.

imo
Thanks, AMS. I really think we could put our collective pull into doing something worthwhile here.

[legalmania]

Okay, folks, I will try again. I got one response before to my post. There are literally TONS of people involved in this case.. involved, I mean, as people like us.. people who really don't have any personal involvement in this case, but we feel outraged. I personally feel that the justice system will take care of the perp in this case. In the meantime, is there something WE can do as a community to lessen the likelihood of something like this occurring in the future?? Can we write to our state and federal legislators asking them to do major media coverage of missing children and telling mothers that there ARE options. There ARE people willing to adopt their children.

This is just such a huge case.. so much publicity. There HAS to be something good that comes of this. IMO, this is one thing that could work. JMO

Of course there is a foundation called the National Center for Missing and exploited children, they were known as the Adam Walsh foundation the very first missing children network you can volunteer, your time. Go to their website and read. Look how many missing faces.
www.ncmec.org

[saywhat04]

Maybe I am off base here.. but we know this family is dysfunctional. Can we not, as a group, do something to further the colllective goal of finding some good out of this mess? I say we lobby our legislators for something along the lines of "Don't harm your baby. We HAVE people that will adopt them!" What do you think?

Honestly, gaelicpeas, I think people who harm babies would tune us out.

Do you think Cindy Anthony and her superiority complex would've allowed another family to take Caylee?

Do you think Ronald Cummings would allow Haleigh and his little boy to be adopted?

Do you think Nevaeh Buchanan's mother, whose BFFs are sex offenders, would have put her baby up for adoption?

How about Melissa Huckaby? Sandra Cantu's accused murderer has her own young child.

I could go on and on, obviously. Point is, imo, the people least equipped to raise children are exactly the people who would rarely, if ever, give their children to healthy couples to raise. It isn't about the children ... it's about them.

[gaelicpeas]

Of course their is a foundation called the National Center for Missing and exploited children, they were known as the Adam Walsh foundation the very first missing children network you can volunteer, your time. Go to their website and read.
www.ncmec.orgNo, I understand there are very reputable foundations around for missing children. I am thinking more in the line of some major national messages telling mothers that there ARE alternatives.. that people ARE willling to adopt.. that just because they are in a dead-end situation, that there ARE people willing to help.

Something that will help prevent babies BEING missing... something that gives these mothers, whatever their issues are, an alternative to place their babies elsewhere.

[saywhat04]

I felt the same way. I haven't seen a lot of comments about Lee on here. He obviously knows Casey was involved, imo. He acts like the two of them are joined at the hip.

You shoulda been here the day of Cindy's all-about-Cindy tribute to her dead granddaughter and the next few days. Plenty of comments about Lee at that time. :laugh:

[EverMoth]

I'd think association with that bunch would be publicity she could do without, but maybe she thinks it's a great idea.

There are some attorneys who are so against the DP that they'll defend any Evil creature. Maybe she's one of those?

In her anti-DP stance, she strikes me as a total zealot, a fanatic who has made getting the DP off of the table for her clients. It could well be that, seeing the incompetence of JB and the three ring circus that was characterizing the case, she took it on knowing that, without her, Casey might well go to her death.

[CelticDawn]

I'm sorry Celtic, but if there was ever an argument to be made for keeping abortion on demand legal for the first 12 weeks, it's Casey Anthony.

That little girl would have been better off never having been born.

Call me a monster, call me what you will, but to be born to be nothing more than a pawn between mom and grandma is just wrong.


You aren't a monster....I just believe that her life has meaning.....more meaning than those entities she lived with .....

....and I may not believe in abortion.....but I don't believe it should be illegal....I believe that should be between a woman and her circumstances and her God......Not my call or the governments call to make for anybody except myself.

[gaelicpeas]

Honestly, gaelicpeas, I think people who harm babies would tune us out.

Do you think Cindy Anthony and her superiority complex would've allowed another family to take Caylee?

Do you think Ronald Cummings would allow Haleigh and his little boy to be adopted?

Do you think Nevaeh Buchanan's mother, whose BFFs are sex offenders, would have put her baby up for adoption?

How about Melissa Huckaby? Sandra Cantu's accused murderer has her own young child.

I could go on and on, obviously. Point is, imo, the people least equipped to raise children are exactly the people who would rarely, if ever, give their children to healthy couples to raise. It isn't about the children ... it's about them.You make some good points, Say.

I am just saying, if we could save even SOME of these babies, it would be a good thing. I would imagine that some mothers/fathers might reconsider if they felt there were other options. JMO, and doing some serious thinking about all of this.

[saywhat04]

No, I understand there are very reputable foundations around for missing children. I am thinking more in the line of some major national messages telling mothers that there ARE alternatives.. that people ARE willling to adopt.. that just because they are in a dead-end situation, that there ARE people willing to help.

Something that will help prevent babies BEING missing... something that gives these mothers, whatever their issues are, an alternative to place their babies elsewhere.

I hear your frustration, but you're making a huge leap, imo, assuming these mothers are simply looking for someone to take their kids off their hands. It's apparently a whole lot more complicated than that.

[EverMoth]

No, I understand there are very reputable foundations around for missing children. I am thinking more in the line of some major national messages telling mothers that there ARE alternatives.. that people ARE willling to adopt.. that just because they are in a dead-end situation, that there ARE people willing to help.

Something that will help prevent babies BEING missing... something that gives these mothers, whatever their issues are, an alternative to place their babies elsewhere.

I admire your passion about this, Gaelic, and I agree that in many many cases this option would save a lot of little lives.

With Casey, however, I don't think this would have made any difference at all. IIRC, she did consider adoption with a friend of hers but then she had Cindy to contend with. The f*cked up dynamics in that family would have prevented any intervening by a healthy outside source. IMO

[Daffodil]

I just think people cruising their neighborhood is kinda tacky.....Going TO the memorial where her body was found could be done in a different way....at a different time.....(but what were THEY doing there if they didnt go there <as per george>???...How did they KNOW they were there???....So many questions

Yeah...I agree with you....people wanted to know.....but LOIS, considering her history with the anthonys..... had NO BUSINESS going anywhere near their neighborhood.....and there are PLENTY of places to put up Memorials of caylee....Heck, I am all the way in Louisiana and my kids planted a tree on our property for her!


I really don't like Lois. I don't like the Anthony's. I don't like the Millsteads. No matter whether it was Lois or someone else, wrong is wrong. If it was someone we respected, we really shouldn't judge them differently. Supposedly, the A's and M's (with flashing blue lights) chased someone in their neighborhood. When are the Anthony's going to just stop the madness? If what I read is true, then Millstead should be arrested for impersonating an officer (again). And I think the A's should also be arrested. What if it was the press lurking and waiting to see who was removing the memorials? How sick and I mean how sick to the core can the A's be to remove a cross honoring their dead grandchild?

God forbid, if I was them, I would think that strangers honoring my grandchild would give me some kind of comfort rather than a thorn in my side.




Celtic Dawn: I no way mean to be jumping all over your post. I just jumped in.
/

[BobbysGirl]

31 days

Justice will be done for Caylee Marie Anthony.

No Baez, LKB or Ms Lyon can do or say to refute it. IMO

BG

[True2Blues]

Honestly, gaelicpeas, I think people who harm babies would tune us out.

Do you think Cindy Anthony and her superiority complex would've allowed another family to take Caylee?

Do you think Ronald Cummings would allow Haleigh and his little boy to be adopted?

Do you think Nevaeh Buchanan's mother, whose BFFs are sex offenders, would have put her baby up for adoption?

How about Melissa Huckaby? Sandra Cantu's accused murderer has her own young child.

I could go on and on, obviously. Point is, imo, the people least equipped to raise children are exactly the people who would rarely, if ever, give their children to healthy couples to raise. It isn't about the children ... it's about them.

Unfortunately you have a point. I know a woman who forced her daughter to keep a child who was a product of date rape, because "It's my grandchild." She ruined lives by doing that, but she was selfish and thinking only of herself, like so many people.

To some a child is income, another one to get public assistance for, or just something everyone has and you put up with it. I've known a couple who did it to keep a husband/boyfriend.

In my city there are bill boards about adoption and where to go. They've been up as long as I remember, and there are still babies killed here, like everywhere. Some people are unreachable.

[gaelicpeas]

I hear your frustration, but you're making a huge leap, imo, assuming these mothers are simply looking for someone to take their kids off their hands. It's apparently a whole lot more complicated than that.
I agree there are other issues. However, if we could make it easier for these mothers to absolve themselves of responsibility for their babies, then maybe we could save some of these babies.

I know there was that situation in New Mexico, I believe, where they made a law that any child could be dropped off at a hospital and the state would take care of the child. Well, they had to drop that law because people all over were dropping their children off. But there has to be some kind of compromise. We really can't keep sacrificing the children of the future to these a**holes. JMO

[saywhat04]

I admire our passion about this, Gaelic, and I agree that in many many cases this option would save a lot of little lives.

With Casey, however, I don't think this would have made any difference at all. IIRC, she did consider adoption with a friend of hers but then she had Cindy to contend with. The f*cked up dynamics in that family would have prevented any intervening by a healthy outside source. IMO

Yep. And I think this is more often the case than not, unfortunately. Too bad we don't have to earn a degree to raise children. Any old immoral moron can make a baby, keep that baby, and ruin that baby's life, or worse. No questions asked. Once you have a child, that child is your property to do with as you wish.

I don't like to dwell on this too much. Makes me nuts. :angry:

[True2Blues]

I really don't like Lois. I don't like the Anthony's. I don't like the Millsteads. No matter whether it was Lois or someone else, wrong is wrong. If it was someone we respected, we really shouldn't judge them differently. Supposedly, the A's and M's (with flashing blue lights) chased someone in their neighborhood. When are the Anthony's going to just stop the madness? If what I read is true, then Millstead should be arrested for impersonating an officer (again). And I think the A's should also be arrested. What if it was the press lurking and waiting to see who was removing the memorials? How sick and I mean how sick to the core can the A's be to remove a cross honoring their dead grandchild?

God forbid, if I was them, I would think that strangers honoring my grandchild would give me some kind of comfort rather than a thorn in my side.




Celtic Dawn: I no way mean to be jumping all over your post. I just jumped in.
/


What if that chase had ended in an accident that took a life? The A's and Co. are completely out of control and police need to snap them into reality before they hurt someone.

[gaelicpeas]

I admire your passion about this, Gaelic, and I agree that in many many cases this option would save a lot of little lives.

With Casey, however, I don't think this would have made any difference at all. IIRC, she did consider adoption with a friend of hers but then she had Cindy to contend with. The f*cked up dynamics in that family would have prevented any intervening by a healthy outside source. IMO
You are probably right.. however, if this message was out there.. that our government will accept ANY child under a certain age and make sure it gets care.. then maybe some children will be saved. JMO

[CelticDawn]

I really don't like Lois. I don't like the Anthony's. I don't like the Millsteads. No matter whether it was Lois or someone else, wrong is wrong. If it was someone we respected, we really shouldn't judge them differently. Supposedly, the A's and M's (with flashing blue lights) chased someone in their neighborhood. When are the Anthony's going to just stop the madness? If what I read is true, then Millstead should be arrested for impersonating an officer (again). And I think the A's should also be arrested. What if it was the press lurking and waiting to see who was removing the memorials? How sick and I mean how sick to the core can the A's be to remove a cross honoring their dead grandchild?

God forbid, if I was them, I would think that strangers honoring my grandchild would give me some kind of comfort rather than a thorn in my side.




Celtic Dawn: I no way mean to be jumping all over your post. I just jumped in.
/

no biggie....I just think that they all are a bunch of pond scum.....attorneys included....

[saywhat04]

I agree there are other issues. However, if we could make it easier for these mothers to absolve themselves of responsibility for their babies, then maybe we could save some of these babies.

I know there was that situation in New Mexico, I believe, where they made a law that any child could be dropped off at a hospital and the state would take care of the child. Well, they had to drop that law because people all over were dropping their children off. But there has to be some kind of compromise. We really can't keep sacrificing the children of the future to these a**holes. JMO

... and then there are all the children already in the system, foster homes, group homes, institutional settings. It's depressing.

[True2Blues]

In her anti-DP stance, she strikes me as a total zealot, a fanatic who has made getting the DP off of the table for her clients. It could well be that, seeing the incompetence of JB and the three ring circus that was characterizing the case, she took it on knowing that, without her, Casey might well go to her death.

I did not know that! That would explain a lot. More concerned with the life of murderers than with justice for the victims. Not a type I admire, obviously, but an explanation of why a respected person would involve themselves with this case.

Important information to have, Thank You.

[gaelicpeas]

... and then there are all the children already in the system, foster homes, group homes, institutional settings. It's depressing.you are right...

ugh...

What are our choices? We can either give up, or try to do something.

[kanzz]

Ditto - I lost mine in a fire

That was it for me, too. Devastating, huh?

[True2Blues]

You are probably right.. however, if this message was out there.. that our government will accept ANY child under a certain age and make sure it gets care.. then maybe some children will be saved. JMO

Those laws are made by the state and several do have them.

[Daffodil]

Okay, folks, I will try again. I got one response before to my post. There are literally TONS of people involved in this case.. involved, I mean, as people like us.. people who really don't have any personal involvement in this case, but we feel outraged. I personally feel that the justice system will take care of the perp in this case. In the meantime, is there something WE can do as a community to lessen the likelihood of something like this occurring in the future?? Can we write to our state and federal legislators asking them to do major media coverage of missing children and telling mothers that there ARE options. There ARE people willing to adopt their children.

This is just such a huge case.. so much publicity. There HAS to be something good that comes of this. IMO, this is one thing that could work. JMO


I would definitely be in on it. Maybe you should start a new thread so we can discuss it there otherwise we might not be able to stay up to date with it.

[BobbysGirl]

What if that chase had ended in an accident that took a life? The A's and Co. are completely out of control and police need to snap them into reality before they hurt someone.

TY for this post. So true. Out of control and beyond reasonable. No doubt in my mind.

Scares the heck out of me when I see neighborhood children daily ages 1-7 and 4-5 of them playing in the street and neighborhood and no adult out side.

And one wonders how, why a child gets snatched up, hurt, killed whatever. Makes me ill. I can complain here about it but not to the parents. Not to the police.

Some parent has a 'justified excuse and lie' as to why.

BG

[EverMoth]

I did not know that! That would explain a lot. More concerned with the life of murderers than with justice for the victims. Not a type I admire, obviously, but an explanation of why a respected person would involve themselves with this case.

Important information to have, Thank You.

Yes, her life's mission is about getting rid of the DP for people. From what I've seen, she usually takes the "bad parenting", "unhealthy conditioning" strategy. She'll pick apart the client's past and ask the court for mercy after demonstrating that her client was a product of early upbringing and, therefore, should be spared. Something like that. Which is probably what she will do in this case as well. Something tells me she's never met anyone like the Ant family before. Now THAT would be book fodder.

[legalmania]

No, I understand there are very reputable foundations around for missing children. I am thinking more in the line of some major national messages telling mothers that there ARE alternatives.. that people ARE willing to adopt.. that just because they are in a dead-end situation, that there ARE people willing to help.

Something that will help prevent babies BEING missing... something that gives these mothers, whatever their issues are, an alternative to place their babies elsewhere.

It takes so long to get anything done in Washington so much red tape. When Adam Walsh went missing the F.B.I. would look for your missing car but not your missing kid. Believe it or not a lot of laws have been passed like the sex offender laws. They are coming out with devices that you can track your kids from your phone or computer. It's not going to happen over night, but it is slowly progressing. I just moved to Georgia and I immediately found out where the child molesters were, we only have one and I have a Birdseye view from my window. I warned all the neighbors with kids who he was and I gave them all photos. Get to know your neighbors and get to know their kids let them know you will be there for them. I let all the teenagers know if they get in trouble they can come to me. Because of my legal background I know what to do and I will keep them safe.

[Katprint]

<respectfully snipped>
In my city there are bill boards about adoption and where to go. They've been up as long as I remember, and there are still babies killed here, like everywhere. Some people are unreachable.
I can't remember which state it was - Minnesota or Michigan, I think - that had a law allowing parents to surrender their children of any age at hospitals, police stations, etc. The state had to change their law, because parents were coming from out of state to drop off their unruly teenagers which was not exactly what the law was intended for.

In California, there is a "Safe Surrender Baby Law" that permits parents to surrender their infants up to three days old at any hospital emergency room or fire station, no questions asked. The parents don't even need to give their names. "No Shame, No Blame, No Names" is one of the slogans being used. http://www.modbee.com/local/story/535916.html If the infant is older than three days then I guess it just has to remain at risk of being murdered by a mother suffering severe postpartum depression/psychosis. NOTE: Even normal people who are deprived of sleep for 7 days in a row can become medically psychotic, regardless of whether the cause is methamphetamine abuse or a colicky baby. Their rational mind basically shuts itself down even though their body remains technically conscious. I would like to see the California law changed to allow at risk parents to surrender babies up to 6 months old if the parents think they might possibly commit infanticide if they don't get a break.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[saywhat04]

you are right...

ugh...

What are our choices? We can either give up, or try to do something.


I hear ya. Giving up isn't an option. But the problem is overwhelming. And I don't have a lot of answers. There are lots of great people doing great work for kids out there. But as long as the wrong people keep procreating, we're peddling backwards. Our system isn't geared toward the best interests of the children, but rather toward the rights of the birth parents, no matter how bad they are. And many if not most couples looking to adopt, aren't looking to adopt kids who are already so seriously screwed up by their families of origin they have no shot at being "normal."

I think these problems should be addressed at their source, as well -- people having children who SHOULD NOT have children. :mad:

[Unleashed]

I think it's an awesome idea, gp. Look what we fat, lonely, sad bloggers have accomplished in the past several months. There is power in the keyboard.

I'd say LET'S UNLEASH THE KEYBOARDS!!!!! but it would blow my cover.

JMO

[Daffodil]

You make some good points, Say.

I am just saying, if we could save even SOME of these babies, it would be a good thing. I would imagine that some mothers/fathers might reconsider if they felt there were other options. JMO, and doing some serious thinking about all of this.



Saywhat is probably right somewhat. If Casey decided to give Caylee up for adoption, even when she was 2 years old, Cindy would probably sue for guarianship as the grandmother.

BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE CANNOT TRY TO SAVE JUST ONE CHILD!!!

If we can come up with a way to save just one child, it is worth it.

I would imagine that everyone is serious about this. It will take time to come up with a good program. I would definitely like to be in on this.

[True2Blues]

Yes, her life's mission is about getting rid of the DP for people. From what I've seen, she usually takes the "bad parenting", "unhealthy conditioning" strategy. She'll pick apart the client's past and ask the court for mercy after demonstrating that her client was a product of early upbringing and, therefore, should be spared. Something like that. Which is probably what she will do in this case as well. Something tells me she's never met anyone like the Ant family before. Now THAT would be book fodder.

Ah yes, the opponent of personal responsibility. Singing the same song as their client: It's somebody else's fault. They do get me het up! In the end, the decision to murder comes down to one person only and that's the responsible party, IMO.

I have no doubt that the A's were appalling parents, but they didn't make Casey a killer. They've done a lot of despicable things, but they didn't set an example by killing someone and saying "It's okay to do this kids!"

I may to have my BP checked before this trial! LOL

[legalmania]

I think it's an awesome idea, gp. Look what we fat, lonely, sad bloggers have accomplished in the past several months. There is power in the keyboard.

Speak for yourself some of us are not fat or lonely and surely not sad, I do this for Caylee so she knows she is loved and missed. I have a full life and if I don't walk away from it and come play on the computer I will be miserable.

[EverMoth]

Ah yes, the opponent of personal responsibility. Singing the same song as their client: It's somebody else's fault. They do get me het up! In the end, the decision to murder comes down to one person only and that's the responsible party, IMO.

I have no doubt that the A's were appalling parents, but they didn't make Casey a killer. They've done a lot of despicable things, but they didn't set an example by killing someone and saying "It's okay to do this kids!"

I may to have my BP checked before this trial! LOL

:thumbup: My upbringing was far from a bowl of cherries and I never killed anyone. I couldn't agree with you more. I think Ms Lyon has a God complex. JMO

[saywhat04]

Speak for yourself some of us are not fat or lonely and surely not sad, I do this for Caylee so she knows she is loved and missed. I have a full life and if I don't walk away from it and come play on the computer I will be miserable.

Do you seriously not recognize tongue-in-cheek comments, or are you about to start "playing" people again this evening? :confused:

[Daffodil]

You are probably right.. however, if this message was out there.. that our government will accept ANY child under a certain age and make sure it gets care.. then maybe some children will be saved. JMO

I'm sure people are already aware of that. I'm also not so sure it should be government. A non-profit would be better. I have heard too many horror stories about children in state custody.

THE MESSAGE SHOULD BE THAT IT IS OKAY. It is okay if you need to hand your child over to "safehouse" (for lack of a better name) then you should not feel bad about it. We need to remove the shame. I have no idea how to do that.

[True2Blues]

I can't remember which state it was - Minnesota or Michigan, I think - that had a law allowing parents to surrender their children of any age at hospitals, police stations, etc. The state had to change their law, because parents were coming from out of state to drop off their unruly teenagers which was not exactly what the law was intended for.

In California, there is a "Safe Surrender Baby Law" that permits parents to surrender their infants up to three days old at any hospital emergency room or fire station, no questions asked. The parents don't even need to give their names. "No Shame, No Blame, No Names" is one of the slogans being used. http://www.modbee.com/local/story/535916.html If the infant is older than three days then I guess it just has to remain at risk of being murdered by a mother suffering severe postpartum depression/psychosis. NOTE: Even normal people who are deprived of sleep for 7 days in a row can become medically psychotic, regardless of whether the cause is methamphetamine abuse or a colicky baby. Their rational mind basically shuts itself down even though their body remains technically conscious. I would like to see the California law changed to allow at risk parents to surrender babies up to 6 months old if the parents think they might possibly commit infanticide if they don't get a break.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

It was Nebraska. I know, I live here. Of all the children left off, not one was an infant or newborn. They've amended the 'Safe Haven' law to age 3 and under now. People drove from across the country to drop off 12 and 13 year olds (one from Georgia was taken by Boys Town, because they didn't want to send him back with his loony Mother.) teenage children with serious behavioral problems, and one man who decided he didn't want to take care of his 7 children now that his wife was dead. For some mysterious reason, not one of these irresponsible, dead beat losers, was willing to surrender any of these children when they were infants. They went ahead and messed up their lives first. It's deplorable.

[EverMoth]

I'm sure people are already aware of that. I'm also not so sure it should be government. A non-profit would be better. I have heard too many horror stories about children in state custody.

THE MESSAGE SHOULD BE THAT IT IS OKAY. It is okay if you need to hand your child over to "safehouse" (for lack of a better name) then you should not feel bad about it. We need to remove the shame. I have no idea how to do that.

Well, lobbying for safe haven laws in your own state might be a start. Not sure this is something the Fed should mandate for every state, though. Perhaps. But safe haven laws would be a sure way to help. It would definitely save lives. Too many babies end up in dumpsters, alleys and the like. Too many children are products of being abused, neglected and murdered. Too many children having children.

[True2Blues]

I'm sure people are already aware of that. I'm also not so sure it should be government. A non-profit would be better. I have heard too many horror stories about children in state custody.

THE MESSAGE SHOULD BE THAT IT IS OKAY. It is okay if you need to hand your child over to "safehouse" (for lack of a better name) then you should not feel bad about it. We need to remove the shame. I have no idea how to do that.

The government has to be involved, because the children, when given up, will become legal wards of the state.

[EverMoth]

It was Nebraska. I know, I live here. Of all the children left off, not one was an infant or newborn. They've amended the 'Safe Haven' law to age 3 and under now. People drove from across the country to drop off 12 and 13 year olds (one from Georgia was taken by Boys Town, because they didn't want to send him back with his loony Mother.) teenage children with serious behavioral problems, and one man who decided he didn't want to take care of his 7 children now that his wife was dead. For some mysterious reason, not one of these irresponsible, dead beat losers, was willing to surrender any of these children when they were infants. They went ahead and messed up their lives first. It's deplorable.

OT

sorry, can't resist. GO BIG RED!!!

I was born and raised in Nebraska. Lincoln. But live in CA now.

[legalmania]

Do you seriously not recognize tongue-in-cheek comments, or are you about to start "playing" people again this evening? :confused:

Yes I do and I don't think it's necessary because there are people out there who suffer from some of the conditions that you think are not hurtful and take so lightly.

[EverMoth]

The government has to be involved, because the children, when given up, will become legal wards of the state.

True - but it could be either the state govt. or the Fed. Depends on whether it is state legislation only or if the Fed mandates it for all states.

[imc_e]

Yes I do and I don't think it's necessary because there are people out there who suffer from some of the conditions that you think are not hurtful and take so lightly.

We suffer from life in general, slightly overweight, a bit lonely,

BUT I don't mind tongue in cheek comments and humor on the forum.

If you don't like what someone posts, you have the choice to ignore it.

We could use a song, legal.

Have a good night, :seeya:

[legalmania]

The government has to be involved, because the children, when given up, will become legal wards of the state.

I can't remember what President it was but he started these camps for children ages 12 to 18 ( guessing)I think and he feed them and gave them a place to sleep and clothes but they all had to work. I think it was either during or after World War II because so many children's parents were off to war and they were either homeless or orphaned.

[BobbysGirl]

Speak for yourself some of us are not fat or lonely and surely not sad, I do this for Caylee so she knows she is loved and missed. I have a full life and if I don't walk away from it and come play on the computer I will be miserable.

legalmania, I like your post and sig.

I am here for Caylee. I can get drawn up into some of the drama. Heck, only human.

This is about Caylee and Justice.
Nothing more or less.

I get exhausted reading/hearing about the children that are lost, kidnapped, murdered.

Breaks my heart.

Time out for r&r.

:rose: Caylee will have her justice.

Let the spiters be spited. IMO


BG


(not intended for the posters here)

[ttcRider]

Yes I do and I don't think it's necessary because there are people out there who suffer from some of the conditions that you think are not hurtful and take so lightly.

Boy you werent worried about being hurtful last night.. :glare:

[saywhat04]

It was Nebraska. I know, I live here. Of all the children left off, not one was an infant or newborn. They've amended the 'Safe Haven' law to age 3 and under now. People drove from across the country to drop off 12 and 13 year olds (one from Georgia was taken by Boys Town, because they didn't want to send him back with his loony Mother.) teenage children with serious behavioral problems, and one man who decided he didn't want to take care of his 7 children now that his wife was dead. For some mysterious reason, not one of these irresponsible, dead beat losers, was willing to surrender any of these children when they were infants. They went ahead and messed up their lives first. It's deplorable.

That's a huge problem, from what I've seen. The kids who are given up by their parents are older children, "damaged goods." A majority of folks looking to adopt are looking for babies or toddlers, still cute, and not too damaged by their birth parents.

[True2Blues]

OT

sorry, can't resist. GO BIG RED!!!

I was born and raised in Nebraska. Lincoln. But live in CA now.


I hate Big Red Football! :laugh::w00t::wink: I know it's the official state religion, but it just never converted me. LOL

Sorry o/t

[Pruddennce]

I really don't like Lois. I don't like the Anthony's. I don't like the Millsteads. No matter whether it was Lois or someone else, wrong is wrong. If it was someone we respected, we really shouldn't judge them differently. Supposedly, the A's and M's (with flashing blue lights) chased someone in their neighborhood. When are the Anthony's going to just stop the madness? If what I read is true, then Millstead should be arrested for impersonating an officer (again). And I think the A's should also be arrested. What if it was the press lurking and waiting to see who was removing the memorials? How sick and I mean how sick to the core can the A's be to remove a cross honoring their dead grandchild?

God forbid, if I was them, I would think that strangers honoring my grandchild would give me some kind of comfort rather than a thorn in my side.




Celtic Dawn: I no way mean to be jumping all over your post. I just jumped in.
/

great post Daf. I dont know this Lois, only of her, I tend to skip the peripheral corneys like her who wish to make a point.

IMO, it boils down to one thing: simple remembrances should not be on their mind as a negative gesture. what bothers them, IMO, is that it represents a burial ground and that will never go away. never.

they dont want to have to think about the triple bag that held their dead granddaughter's BONES. well, outta sight, outta mind.....time to relocate.....which I dont see happening....

instead, the anthony want to 'control their surroundings'...well, last time I looked, they arent living on an island. they live among other human beings....

which, at this point, IMO, they have failed to blend in. they DO belong on an island. talking to coconuts.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[True2Blues]

That's a huge problem, from what I've seen. The kids who are given up by their parents are older children, "damaged goods." A majority of folks looking to adopt are looking for babies or toddlers, still cute, and not too damaged by their birth parents.

It's amazing. It's not like Birth Control is unknown or hard to get, yet unwanted children are born every minute of every day. Neglected and abused and then when they start turning into troubled adults, the parents want to hand the 'problem' off to someone else.

We need a serious revival of Personal Responsibility in this country.

[EverMoth]

I hate Big Red Football! :laugh::w00t::wink: I know it's the official state religion, but it just never converted me. LOL

Sorry o/t

sorry o/t (just one more time, never again, promise)

My dad was into football and, when I went to college, Nebraska took the national title two years in a row. I got utterly addicted to football and have remained that way ever since.

[gaelicpeas]

I can't remember which state it was - Minnesota or Michigan, I think - that had a law allowing parents to surrender their children of any age at hospitals, police stations, etc. The state had to change their law, because parents were coming from out of state to drop off their unruly teenagers which was not exactly what the law was intended for.

In California, there is a "Safe Surrender Baby Law" that permits parents to surrender their infants up to three days old at any hospital emergency room or fire station, no questions asked. The parents don't even need to give their names. "No Shame, No Blame, No Names" is one of the slogans being used. http://www.modbee.com/local/story/535916.html If the infant is older than three days then I guess it just has to remain at risk of being murdered by a mother suffering severe postpartum depression/psychosis. NOTE: Even normal people who are deprived of sleep for 7 days in a row can become medically psychotic, regardless of whether the cause is methamphetamine abuse or a colicky baby. Their rational mind basically shuts itself down even though their body remains technically conscious. I would like to see the California law changed to allow at risk parents to surrender babies up to 6 months old if the parents think they might possibly commit infanticide if they don't get a break.

Katprint
Always only my own opinionsThanks, Katprint, for your post. I am glad to see there are some efforts being made. Obviously, we, the public, can't prevent everything.. but hopefully we can make some changes that will help save our little ones.

[True2Blues]

great post Daf. I dont know this Lois, only of her, I tend to skip the peripheral corneys like her who wish to make a point.

IMO, it boils down to one thing: simple remembrances should not be on their mind as a negative gesture. what bothers them, IMO, is that it represents a burial ground and that will never go away. never.

they dont want to have to think about the triple bag that held their dead granddaughter's BONES. well, outta sight, outta mind.....time to relocate.....which I dont see happening....

instead, the anthony want to 'control their surroundings'...well, last time I looked, they arent living on an island. they live among other human beings....

which, at this point, IMO, they have failed to blend in. they DO belong on an island. talking to coconuts.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I'd be willing to contribute to buying an island for them. One far, far away that they could be dropped on, with no means of returning to civilization.

[Daffodil]

I can't remember what President it was but he started these camps for children ages 12 to 18 ( guessing)I think and he feed them and gave them a place to sleep and clothes but they all had to work. I think it was either during or after World War II because so many children's parents were off to war and they were either homeless or orphaned.

That sounds familiar. I think it was a mistake when the government got rid of all orphanages. Some may have been he--. But you don't throw the whole bushel out to get rid of one bad apple. I think I got that right. Anyhow, orphanages allowed a place for people to volunteer without a full commitment. Being a foster parent is no walk in the park. I applaud all those wonderful foster parents out there. But what I keep hearing is that children go from home to home to home. There is no stability. At least an orphanage offered some stability. Knowing they had a roof over their head and a meal. But knowing that it would remain constant would be better than always moving to a new family. In an orphanage, they could create friendships with other children that were long lasting.

It is a lot easier to get good vounteers to work at an orpahage than to find good people for the long haul of becoming a foster parent.

[legalmania]

We suffer from life in general, slightly overweight, a bit lonely,

BUT I don't mind tongue in cheek comments and humor on the forum.

If you don't like what someone posts, you have the choice to ignore it.

We could use a song, legal.

Have a good night, :seeya:

Your got it, if you're feeling blue this song is for you.

----------------
Now playing: Mariah Carey - Anytime You Need A Friend (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/mariah_carey/track/anytime_you_need_a_friend)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[gaelicpeas]

I think it's an awesome idea, gp. Look what we fat, lonely, sad bloggers have accomplished in the past several months. There is power in the keyboard.thanks, Annie. Yes, we can make something happen....

[saywhat04]

Yes I do and I don't think it's necessary because there are people out there who suffer from some of the conditions that you think are not hurtful and take so lightly.

Please spare us the holier-than-thou routine, okay? It NEVER FAILS to cause problems here. Is that your intent? Just tell us now and we can all skip and scroll.

[Sandy001]

Casey Anthony: Will George and Cindy be charged?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-will-george-and-cindy-be-charged.html There are multiple examples of George putting his hands on people who are on public property. I sense a pattern here. I sure hope they never gave him back his gun. I don't think HE would use it, but I think Cindy or Dennis would. George does not seem to have the temperment of a former law enforcement officer. They are supposed to keep their anger in check. George must have missed that class. I know the officers in our town are constantly being given seminars on anger management and how to deal with people sensitively.

[bluwaters]

I can't remember which state it was - Minnesota or Michigan, I think - that had a law allowing parents to surrender their children of any age at hospitals, police stations, etc. The state had to change their law, because parents were coming from out of state to drop off their unruly teenagers which was not exactly what the law was intended for.

In California, there is a "Safe Surrender Baby Law" that permits parents to surrender their infants up to three days old at any hospital emergency room or fire station, no questions asked. The parents don't even need to give their names. "No Shame, No Blame, No Names" is one of the slogans being used. http://www.modbee.com/local/story/535916.html If the infant is older than three days then I guess it just has to remain at risk of being murdered by a mother suffering severe postpartum depression/psychosis. NOTE: Even normal people who are deprived of sleep for 7 days in a row can become medically psychotic, regardless of whether the cause is methamphetamine abuse or a colicky baby. Their rational mind basically shuts itself down even though their body remains technically conscious. I would like to see the California law changed to allow at risk parents to surrender babies up to 6 months old if the parents think they might possibly commit infanticide if they don't get a break.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Hi KatPrint,
We do have a similar law in FL for dropping off a newborn up to 3 days old. Yet, a newborn was just discovered in Orlando in a box on the side of the road. Thankfully, she is OK.

There is information at this link for those that wish to find out more.
It is not up to date, however.

Infant Safe Haven Laws
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/safehaven.cfm

[gaelicpeas]

Saywhat is probably right somewhat. If Casey decided to give Caylee up for adoption, even when she was 2 years old, Cindy would probably sue for guarianship as the grandmother.

BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE CANNOT TRY TO SAVE JUST ONE CHILD!!!

If we can come up with a way to save just one child, it is worth it.

I would imagine that everyone is serious about this. It will take time to come up with a good program. I would definitely like to be in on this.
I agree, Daffodil.. there is no way that we can save every child. But if there is some way to make a difference, it is worth it in my opinion.

[Daffodil]

It's amazing. It's not like Birth Control is unknown or hard to get, yet unwanted children are born every minute of every day. Neglected and abused and then when they start turning into troubled adults, the parents want to hand the 'problem' off to someone else.

We need a serious revival of Personal Responsibility in this country.


Yes, we do!!!! Standing up and applauding.


How do we do it?

[saywhat04]

It's amazing. It's not like Birth Control is unknown or hard to get, yet unwanted children are born every minute of every day. Neglected and abused and then when they start turning into troubled adults, the parents want to hand the 'problem' off to someone else.

We need a serious revival of Personal Responsibility in this country.

Bolding mine. Hear, hear! :thumbup:

[Sandy001]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeH8uV6ptcQ

Here what I think the A's house was like after the chase Funny but somehow I don't think Cindy is CAPABLE of giving ANYONE the SILENT treatment.

[gaelicpeas]

I'm sure people are already aware of that. I'm also not so sure it should be government. A non-profit would be better. I have heard too many horror stories about children in state custody.

THE MESSAGE SHOULD BE THAT IT IS OKAY. It is okay if you need to hand your child over to "safehouse" (for lack of a better name) then you should not feel bad about it. We need to remove the shame. I have no idea how to do that.I don't know how, either. The only thing I can come up with is public service announcements.

The best way to change public behavior is to make something "unthinkable" or "not cool". Give people options.. make it clear that people WANT to adopt babies.

[imc_e]

Your got it, if you're feeling blue this song is for you.

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I appreciate that.

Its been a really hard week for hubby and me, we lost our very best friend suddenly 5 days ago, and he was our heart. :sad:

Thanks for the song.

[saywhat04]

Hi KatPrint,
We do have a similar law in FL for dropping off a newborn up to 3 days old. Yet, a newborn was just discovered in Orlando in a box on the side of the road. Thankfully, she is OK.

There is information at this link for those that wish to find out more.
It is not up to date, however.

Infant Safe Haven Laws
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/safehaven.cfm

Like I said upthread, there appears to be a whole lot more to the situation than just providing a safe place to drop a child off. First order of business, imo, is putting the children FIRST. I don't think very many people even understand the concept.

[gaelicpeas]

It was Nebraska. I know, I live here. Of all the children left off, not one was an infant or newborn. They've amended the 'Safe Haven' law to age 3 and under now. People drove from across the country to drop off 12 and 13 year olds (one from Georgia was taken by Boys Town, because they didn't want to send him back with his loony Mother.) teenage children with serious behavioral problems, and one man who decided he didn't want to take care of his 7 children now that his wife was dead. For some mysterious reason, not one of these irresponsible, dead beat losers, was willing to surrender any of these children when they were infants. They went ahead and messed up their lives first. It's deplorable.Yes, I thought it was Nebraska.

What is deplorable to me is that Nebraska is the ONLY state that ever had this law, if even for a short period. There has to be a way to make this work... maybe allow your child to be dropped off with some minimal financial ramifications. I don't know....

[saywhat04]

I appreciate that.

Its been a really hard week for hubby and me, we lost our very best friend suddenly 5 days ago, and he was our heart. :sad:

Thanks for the song.

Oh, I'm so sorry, C_E. :sad:

For your best friend :rose:

[True2Blues]

[/B]


Yes, we do!!!! Standing up and applauding.


How do we do it?

That's a good question. There's an entire generation out there who have been raised to believe that they are 'entitled' to everything and responsible for nothing. Changing the way children are raised could help. Instill some pride and accountability. Of course, no one wants to be told how to raise their children and that won't help all the troubled kids who are born.:shrug: I wish I had an answer.

[legalmania]

Boy you werent worried about being hurtful last night.. :glare:

Some of you poster just can't let go I wasn't hurtful at all I was just siding with the Anthony's that everybody should leave them alone and now I'm saying leave me alone. There is an ignore button that can be used by all.

[Sandy001]

I just think people cruising their neighborhood is kinda tacky.....Going TO the memorial where her body was found could be done in a different way....at a different time.....(but what were THEY doing there if they didnt go there <as per george>???...How did they KNOW they were there???....So many questions

Yeah...I agree with you....people wanted to know.....but LOIS, considering her history with the anthonys..... had NO BUSINESS going anywhere near their neighborhood.....and there are PLENTY of places to put up Memorials of caylee....Heck, I am all the way in Louisiana and my kids planted a tree on our property for her!

Not only would they HAVE to go there to know a memorial was still being put up, they would have to do it on a fairly regular basis. This is not a one-time occurrence. Wish the media would ask George HOW he knew it was there when he announced on national TV that he NEVER went there. Do you think he would go ballistic?

That road goes NOWHERE but to the school. To my knowledge G&C have no children of school age.

[gaelicpeas]

Well, lobbying for safe haven laws in your own state might be a start. Not sure this is something the Fed should mandate for every state, though. Perhaps. But safe haven laws would be a sure way to help. It would definitely save lives. Too many babies end up in dumpsters, alleys and the like. Too many children are products of being abused, neglected and murdered. Too many children having children.yes... there has to be a better way.. we have adults living off the government because they are getting government benefits for their children, and then we have people killing their babies because they don't want to deal with them. Somewhere in there we must find a better common ground.

[legalmania]

I appreciate that.

Its been a really hard week for hubby and me, we lost our very best friend suddenly 5 days ago, and he was our heart. :sad:

Thanks for the song.

Oh I'm so sorry, I know how that feels. It takes a long time to get over losing a good friend. I know I lost a friend about 3 years ago and I still get mad at myself because I couldn't help him.

[imc_e]

Oh, I'm so sorry, C_E. :sad:

For your best friend :rose:


Thank you..so much. Its so hard. I have not even been able to post it.


The loss is so deep.

For Jimmy :rose:

[bluwaters]

Not only would they HAVE to go there to know a memorial was still being put up, they would have to do it on a fairly regular basis. This is not a one-time occurrence. Wish the media would ask George HOW he knew it was there when he announced on national TV that he NEVER went there. Do you think he would go ballistic?

That road goes NOWHERE but to the school. To my knowledge G&C have no children of school age.

Caylee would have been enrolled there this coming fall in their PreK 4 program. :crying:

[CelticDawn]

Funny but somehow I don't think Cindy is CAPABLE of giving ANYONE the SILENT treatment.

If that woman had to keep her trap shut for any length of time ....she would stroke out!!!....I am amazed that she shuts up in those hearings.....<I STILL think Conway might have a shock collar on her when shes there :lol:>

[bluwaters]

Thank you..so much. Its so hard. I have not even been able to post it.


The loss is so deep.

For Jimmy :rose:
I am so sorry. :rose:

[gaelicpeas]

That's a huge problem, from what I've seen. The kids who are given up by their parents are older children, "damaged goods." A majority of folks looking to adopt are looking for babies or toddlers, still cute, and not too damaged by their birth parents.Interesting point.. much like people adopting dogs or cats.. they want them as puppies or kittens... SIGH.

I am not making a judgment call here. If I were to adopt a baby, or a puppy, or a kitten.. I would probably choose a younger one over an older one. Unfortunately, there are so many choices.

Cripes.. why can't people just take care of what they procreate?????

[Sandy001]

Originally Posted by saywhat04
Oozes it, for sure. I'm repeatedly stunned at how adolescent both she and George behave. It's no wonder 22 year-old Casey sat in jail on that video visitation with her face screwed up in a pout and her hand raised in a fist. And it's no wonder the best nearly 30 year-old Lee could do by way of a tribute to his dead niece was wailing "C M A" and kissing his wrist.

my bold

Interesting - I always thought that Lee was secretly referring to Casey - her intials are also CMA.I thought so also - particularly when he claimed CMA was a role model and or a hero to him - I can't remember his exact words but they certainly didn't apply to a dead child, but to a living person. That was totally disgusting to me.

[EverMoth]

There are multiple examples of George putting his hands on people who are on public property. I sense a pattern here. I sure hope they never gave him back his gun. I don't think HE would use it, but I think Cindy or Dennis would. George does not seem to have the temperment of a former law enforcement officer. They are supposed to keep their anger in check. George must have missed that class. I know the officers in our town are constantly being given seminars on anger management and how to deal with people sensitively.

Someone posted earlier today that George threw his father through a plate glass window. Wonder what that was all about.

[sammy62]

Ok Guys....I'm having a real identity crisis. My real name is Lois (from Minnesota) and the name is uncommon enough to make me cringe every time I read the hate about her. We need to come up with a new nic for her.:thumbdown:

[legalmania]

yes... there has to be a better way.. we have adults living off the government because they are getting government benefits for their children, and then we have people killing their babies because they don't want to deal with them. Somewhere in there we must find a better common ground.

You know what really makes me mad is where is all this lottery money going? In Florida they said it would be spent on education and then they said special education now they don't even say. We could really do something with that money, but nobody questions where it goes.

[Daffodil]

Yes, I thought it was Nebraska.

What is deplorable to me is that Nebraska is the ONLY state that ever had this law, if even for a short period. There has to be a way to make this work... maybe allow your child to be dropped off with some minimal financial ramifications. I don't know....

Why did they stop doing it? Probably couldn't afford to do it. That is what is really heartbreaking. Our government cannot find the money to make the world a little safer for some children. But they can afford to cover medical, dental, schooling, etc. for illegal aliens. What a shame.

[saywhat04]

Thank you..so much. Its so hard. I have not even been able to post it.


The loss is so deep.

For Jimmy :rose:

For Jimmy :rose:

:wub:

[legalmania]

Ok Guys....I'm having a real identity crisis. My real name is Lois (from Minnesota) and the name is uncommon enough to make me cringe every time I read the hate about her. We need to come up with a new nic for her.:thumbdown:

Well the name I have in mind will get me banned.

[EverMoth]

I appreciate that.

Its been a really hard week for hubby and me, we lost our very best friend suddenly 5 days ago, and he was our heart. :sad:

Thanks for the song.

I'm so very sorry for your pain and the family of your friend. May he/she rest in peace.

:rose:

[saywhat04]

Ok Guys....I'm having a real identity crisis. My real name is Lois (from Minnesota) and the name is uncommon enough to make me cringe every time I read the hate about her. We need to come up with a new nic for her.:thumbdown:

HowLoWillSheGo? :laugh:

[Daffodil]

Thank you..so much. Its so hard. I have not even been able to post it.


The loss is so deep.

For Jimmy :rose:

I'm sorry for your loss. My prayers for you and your family, as well as his.

[EverMoth]

Ok Guys....I'm having a real identity crisis. My real name is Lois (from Minnesota) and the name is uncommon enough to make me cringe every time I read the hate about her. We need to come up with a new nic for her.:thumbdown:

How about blowus? :lol:

[Sandy001]

Maybe our government needs to put out some public service announcements to the effect of "If you don't want your baby, there are many people who DO want your baby. Please consider adoption." There are just too many babies being murdered by their parents.Several states have laws now where, if you don't want your baby (or small child) you can drop them at a hospital or fire station with no fear of prosecution. Unfortunately, I don't think it would have helped Caylee. I believe in my heart of hearts that Casey murdered Caylee to get back at Cindy. AS my mother used to say - cutting off her nose to spite her face.

[True2Blues]

Yes, I thought it was Nebraska.

What is deplorable to me is that Nebraska is the ONLY state that ever had this law, if even for a short period. There has to be a way to make this work... maybe allow your child to be dropped off with some minimal financial ramifications. I don't know....


Anyone can walk into child services and give up their parental rights completely. They just don't want to do it. It's not like a teenager isn't going to know their name and parents names, but people still don't want to bother. They end up on the streets.

Newborns and infants up to three years of age can still be left at a hospital or fire station with paramedics, no questions asked here. Yet, babies are still murdered, left in the garbage, and the lucky ones taken from abusive homes here. How much effort is it to take a baby to the hospital, hand it over and leave? They don't care and a garbage bag and dumpster are closer and easier. That is just unbelievable.

My niece had a miracle baby last year and will never have another. What she had to go through just to have this one child, who was so desperately wanted, boggles the mind. Meanwhile, people who throw living, breathing, beings into the garbage don't use birth control and breed like rabbits. Go Figure.

[gaelicpeas]

That sounds familiar. I think it was a mistake when the government got rid of all orphanages. Some may have been he--. But you don't throw the whole bushel out to get rid of one bad apple. I think I got that right. Anyhow, orphanages allowed a place for people to volunteer without a full commitment. Being a foster parent is no walk in the park. I applaud all those wonderful foster parents out there. But what I keep hearing is that children go from home to home to home. There is no stability. At least an orphanage offered some stability. Knowing they had a roof over their head and a meal. But knowing that it would remain constant would be better than always moving to a new family. In an orphanage, they could create friendships with other children that were long lasting.

It is a lot easier to get good vounteers to work at an orpahage than to find good people for the long haul of becoming a foster parent.Interesting thoughts, Daffodil.

And then you hear all these horror stories of people being foster parents to children just to make money.

Maybe we need to forget the efforts for children and go after these frickin' deadbeat adults who are milking the system!

(sorry, I seem to have gotten carried away tonight)

[Daffodil]

You know what really makes me mad is where is all this lottery money going? In Florida they said it would be spent on education and then they said special education now they don't even say. We could really do something with that money, but nobody questions where it goes.

Good point. I think we all have asked that question at one time or another. The government knows it would be too hard for one person to dig up the info they need for that answer.

[MiamiNice1]

Hi KatPrint,
We do have a similar law in FL for dropping off a newborn up to 3 days old. Yet, a newborn was just discovered in Orlando in a box on the side of the road. Thankfully, she is OK.

There is information at this link for those that wish to find out more.
It is not up to date, however.

Infant Safe Haven Laws
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/safehaven.cfm

I'm glad you cited Florida in this blu. My problem is that when someone DOES drop off a child or leave a child abandoned, the authorities use the news media to try to find the person who left the child! They want information and tips from anyone who might know someone who just had a baby.

This is a pet peeve of mine - If they have Safe Haven Laws, then why do they question?? I would imagine it would make people fearful of doing this! :sad:

[saywhat04]

Interesting point.. much like people adopting dogs or cats.. they want them as puppies or kittens... SIGH.

I am not making a judgment call here. If I were to adopt a baby, or a puppy, or a kitten.. I would probably choose a younger one over an older one. Unfortunately, there are so many choices.

Cripes.. why can't people just take care of what they procreate?????

Man, got a couple hours?

Since you brought up pet adoption, I am encouraged by one small thing. I donate to a fabulous animal organization in Utah, so I get regular newsletters and magazines from them. You'd be amazed at how adopting older and special needs pets is catching on. :smile:

[gaelicpeas]

Hi KatPrint,
We do have a similar law in FL for dropping off a newborn up to 3 days old. Yet, a newborn was just discovered in Orlando in a box on the side of the road. Thankfully, she is OK.

There is information at this link for those that wish to find out more.
It is not up to date, however.

Infant Safe Haven Laws
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/safehaven.cfmThanks, blu..

[True2Blues]

Several states have laws now where, if you don't want your baby (or small child) you can drop them at a hospital or fire station with no fear of prosecution. Unfortunately, I don't think it would have helped Caylee. I believe in my heart of hearts that Casey murdered Caylee to get back at Cindy. AS my mother used to say - cutting off her nose to spite her face.

Cindy wouldn't have let Caylee go. She had decided Casey was going to be supermom, whether Casey wanted it or not.

[gaelicpeas]

[/B]


Yes, we do!!!! Standing up and applauding.


How do we do it?Good question.. I have no idea what the anwer is, though.

[Sandy001]

Lois, Milsteads, As - what a bunch. Lois knew who was stealing the signs so she was looking for trouble, A's were stealing signs not on their property, Milstead with his police lights and chasing people. It is too bad they can't spend a week in jail in cells next to each other. How do you think Lois KNEW who was stealing the signs? Did she call Cindy "just to chat"? Don't forget George announced on National TV that he never went there. She may have suspected they were the ones, but she could NOT have KNOWN.

[saywhat04]

I'm glad you cited Florida in this blu. My problem is that when someone DOES drop off a child or leave a child abandoned, the authorities use the news media to try to find the person who left the child! They want information and tips from anyone who might know someone who just had a baby.

This is a pet peeve of mine - If they have Safe Haven Laws, then why do they question?? I would imagine it would make people fearful of doing this! :sad:

Exactly! And why, exactly, are we looking for the person who just unloaded their child? Why aren't we immediately beginning the search for suitable adoptive parents?

[Unleashed]

Well the name I have in mind will get me banned.


C'mon, legal. What is it???

JMO

[legalmania]

One of our posters is hurting and so I usually play a song for Caylee to make sure she is aware we all still love and miss her, but tonight I'm hoping Caylee can grab the hand of a man named Jimmy and show him what a beautiful place he's at, go play and dance and justice is yours baby girl.:rose: This song is dedicated to the both of them.

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[Sandy001]

There is a young woman just about Casey's age missing right now in Orlando yet they don't seem to be involved in helping with that search.
Maybe they'll take the boat out tomorrow and look around, ya think?
That poor girl's parents are beside themselves too.
A perfect case for KidFinders to insert themselves into the case.

Do you think they'll get any fishing done?

[saywhat04]

Cindy wouldn't have let Caylee go. She had decided Casey was going to be supermom, whether Casey wanted it or not.

And don't forget ... none of us maggots, parasites and leeches would ever in a million years be worthy of raising an Anthony.

[CelticDawn]

Ok Guys....I'm having a real identity crisis. My real name is Lois (from Minnesota) and the name is uncommon enough to make me cringe every time I read the hate about her. We need to come up with a new nic for her.:thumbdown:

Your name aint "Lowest".......its Lois! And Im pretty sure you dont fit that description....<Youd have to see to believe> (I hope God dont punish me for that)

[Pruddennce]

Some of you poster just can't let go I wasn't hurtful at all I was just siding with the Anthony's that everybody should leave them alone and now I'm saying leave me alone. There is an ignore button that can be used by all.

I dont understand. was there an intrusion on the anthony home? did someone knock on their door and were not welcome there?

as I understand it, there is and has been a memorial site where the remains were found. which is not unusual in cases of murdered victims. accident victims who lost their lives are honored in a similar fashion by loved ones who miss them, by acquaintances, by strangers.

whats the problem? who is bothering the anthonys?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[legalmania]

C'mon, legal. What is it???

JMO

O.k. Kojutso Sekusso

[Pruddennce]

I thought so also - particularly when he claimed CMA was a role model and or a hero to him - I can't remember his exact words but they certainly didn't apply to a dead child, but to a living person. That was totally disgusting to me.

equally horrid with Cindy stating:

Caylee’s life may have been short lived on this earth but her life will not have ended without a purpose.

what does that mean? the child was not yet 3 years old :confused:

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[CelticDawn]

Remember the movie "Annie?" That's a lot of the problem I believe is we have NO MORE orphanages. This is not some "Old fashion" thought.
They need to start building them with all the children that are being murdered and thrown in the trash like garbage.:mad:
I realize they have "safe havens" for mother and children but when the mother NO longer wants their children they should have something rather than a law that says drop them off at a hospital IF they are under 2.
True2blue, do you remember the people who came down from Wisconsin and dropped their kids off at a hospital in Nebraska and the oldest one was 17? (after they came out with that new law in NE) That's when they put a stop to it and changed the law regarding age. So, if your under 2 you're worth salvaging.:rolleyes:
Perhaps if they had open orphanages again Casey may have been so angry she would have possibly just dropped Caylee off in front instead of murdering her.
Then we have rubber lip Cindy who compared her to OLD pizza!:cursing:
JMO

from what I have read...Orphanages were snake pits....cruel and hateful people ran most of them.

[EverMoth]

See all you great people later. :seeya:

[Sandy001]

Okay, folks, I will try again. I got one response before to my post. There are literally TONS of people involved in this case.. involved, I mean, as people like us.. people who really don't have any personal involvement in this case, but we feel outraged. I personally feel that the justice system will take care of the perp in this case. In the meantime, is there something WE can do as a community to lessen the likelihood of something like this occurring in the future?? Can we write to our state and federal legislators asking them to do major media coverage of missing children and telling mothers that there ARE options. There ARE people willing to adopt their children.



This is just such a huge case.. so much publicity. There HAS to be something good that comes of this. IMO, this is one thing that could work. JMO
I think more than giving a child up for adoption, what would benefit parents the most is a "relief center." I have yet to find a parent who has not been "at their wit's end" at one point in their life. There need to be drop-in centers where, when you just "can't take it any more," you could drop off your child for a few hours. I know there is one here nad it's a great place for the kids and a break for the parents. And it's FREE!!!

[Daffodil]

from what I have read...Orphanages were snake pits....cruel and hateful people ran most of them.



I have heard about horrible orphanages as well as pretty good ones.


Maybe we need orphanages again.

I meet so many wonderful mothers through volunteering at the school. It seems to me that these same moms would be willing to volunteer at orphanages if they knew it would take wonderful loving, caring moms like them to make it work.

Maybe we could try to bring back orphanages.

[Daffodil]

I think more than giving a child up for adoption, what would benefit parents the most is a "relief center." I have yet to find a parent who has not been "at their wit's end" at one point in their life. There need to be drop-in centers where, when you just "can't take it any more," you could drop off your child for a few hours. I know there is one here nad it's a great place for the kids and a break for the parents. And it's FREE!!!

That sounds great. I thought of that but thought it might be impossible to do. I know some would take advantage of it too.

Do you have a link to it?

[saywhat04]

It is not even dark in CA - just enough already. Good Night, neighbor.

Nevada here. Still light out. :seeya:

[Pruddennce]

Lordy! Did Cindy actually say this? What "purpose" does she suppose the murder of this Baby has? I want Cindy to define "purpose".

yes CJ, SHE wrote the obituary....gawd

http://cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2009/2/9/caylee_anthonys_obituary_as_written_by_cindy_antho ny.html



IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[legalmania]

{bolding mine} I hear you, Friend. I moved (last Sept) from the Detroit Metro Area to North Carolina. Instead of hearing screaming fights and Police Sirens at night...I now hear .... crickets.

So refreshing, indeed.

CJ

Yes it's beautiful isn't it the birds here sing so beautiful. I've haven't seen a plane in months. I'm going to record the woods and my roommate is going to put it in his music, don't ask me how, but I'm so proud of him he just got a contract for his music in a short film that may go worldwide, So I think I may be losing a roommate. My Uncle just moved to North Carolina from Islip NY. He loves it also.

[Sandy001]

Honestly, gaelicpeas, I think people who harm babies would tune us out.

Do you think Cindy Anthony and her superiority complex would've allowed another family to take Caylee?

Do you think Ronald Cummings would allow Haleigh and his little boy to be adopted?]

Do you think Nevaeh Buchanan's mother, whose BFFs are sex offenders, would have put her baby up for adoption?

How about Melissa Huckaby? Sandra Cantu's accused murderer has her own young child.

I could go on and on, obviously. Point is, imo, the people least equipped to raise children are exactly the people who would rarely, if ever, give their children to healthy couples to raise. It isn't about the children ... it's about them.

There has been no report on whether Ronald Cummings ever abused his children. Just the claims of a non-custodial parent and her attorney.

Neveah Buchanan's mother did not have custody of her daughter according to the biological father. The grandmother did.

Melissa Huckaby is not being charged with any inpropriety with her own child. She appears to pick on other people's children.

[gaelicpeas]

I think more than giving a child up for adoption, what would benefit parents the most is a "relief center." I have yet to find a parent who has not been "at their wit's end" at one point in their life. There need to be drop-in centers where, when you just "can't take it any more," you could drop off your child for a few hours. I know there is one here nad it's a great place for the kids and a break for the parents. And it's FREE!!!Good idea, Sandy. I know they have similar places for caregivers of older adults.

[imc_e]

One of our posters is hurting and so I usually play a song for Caylee to make sure she is aware we all still love and miss her, but tonight I'm hoping Caylee can grab the hand of a man named Jimmy and show him what a beautiful place he's at, go play and dance and justice is yours baby girl.:rose: This song is dedicated to the both of them.

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Now playing: Eric Clapton - Tears in Heaven (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/eric_clapton/track/tears_in_heaven)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

Thank you so much.

And thanks to my friends here who have shared kind words with me tonight.

Caylee definately has another friend in heaven.
I talked to him about the case, and he would have looked for her up there.

Thanks to you all :rose:

[saywhat04]

There has been no report on whether Ronald Cummings ever abused his children. Just the claims of a non-custodial parent and her attorney.

Neveah Buchanan's mother did not have custody of her daughter according to the biological father. The grandmother did.

Melissa Huckaby is not being charged with any inpropriety with her own child. She appears to pick on other people's children.

You missed my point. Or ... we have entirely different views on what constitutes healthy parenting. My view is leaving your kids with your 17 year old girlfriend doesn't qualify as healthy parenting. Nor does having convicted sex offenders around your 5 year-old daughter. Nor does doing unspeakable things to someone else's daughter. Imo, children deserve a whole hell of a lot more than any of those 3 have to offer.

[legalmania]

I dont understand. was there an intrusion on the anthony home? did someone knock on their door and were not welcome there?

as I understand it, there is and has been a memorial site where the remains were found. which is not unusual in cases of murdered victims. accident victims who lost their lives are honored in a similar fashion by loved ones who miss them, by acquaintances, by strangers.

whats the problem? who is bothering the anthonys?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I am on my knees begging please drop it. Maybe this song will help

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[True2Blues]

And don't forget ... none of us maggots, parasites and leeches would ever in a million years be worthy of raising an Anthony.

That too! LOL

[Sandy001]

great post Daf. I dont know this Lois, only of her, I tend to skip the peripheral corneys like her who wish to make a point.

IMO, it boils down to one thing: simple remembrances should not be on their mind as a negative gesture. what bothers them, IMO, is that it represents a burial ground and that will never go away. never.

they dont want to have to think about the triple bag that held their dead granddaughter's BONES. well, outta sight, outta mind.....time to relocate.....which I dont see happening....

instead, the anthony want to 'control their surroundings'...well, last time I looked, they arent living on an island. they live among other human beings....

which, at this point, IMO, they have failed to blend in. they DO belong on an island. talking to coconuts.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence....*

They are only negative because the Great Goddess Cindy says they are negative. There are some things that are in bad taste, but a spontaneous memorial is not one of them.

jmoo

[djmsmom]

Well the name I have in mind will get me banned.

and would that be a bad thing?

[Sandy001]

The government has to be involved, because the children, when given up, will become legal wards of the state. Now THAT scares me. I know there are good foster care homes, but I have heard more horror stories about foster care than good ones. And, personally, I think the state should stay out of it. I know, if you call CPS as a frustrated parent, they will come and take your child away and arrest you. Not the proper solution.

A better solution would be good parenting classes for the parents imo

[CelticDawn]

Daffodil and Diana....I would GLADLY volunteer to take a child into my own home (I already have 5)....

I would volunteer if there were orphanages....My problem is that I know I would get too attached though.


strange though how some people would not give up a child BECAUSE OF WHAT PEOPLE WOULD THINK....yet they would keep them treat them horribly......That appears to be the case with cindy not letting casey give caylee a chance (if that really is true).....and There is one in my family....but we all take care of the boy....the whole family...

[legalmania]

That was not nice. :no: You want us to leave you alone, and yet you make nasty comments like this?!

You told us earlier to put you on ignore. How 'bout you just put US all on ignore and talk to yourself?

What did I say?

[Daffodil]

Daffodil and Diana....I would GLADLY volunteer to take a child into my own home (I already have 5)....

I would volunteer if there were orphanages....My problem is that I know I would get too attached though.


strange though how some people would not give up a child BECAUSE OF WHAT PEOPLE WOULD THINK....yet they would keep them treat them horribly......That appears to be the case with cindy not letting casey give caylee a chance (if that really is true).....and There is one in my family....but we all take care of the boy....the whole family...

I go back and forth between this site and craigslist. I am addicted to looking for art and furniture and garden items. I just looked at a listing where someone is looking for an item. When I looked at the listing, there was a picture of a baby around 1 year old. What the heck is wrong with people? Haven't they heard the craigslist horror stories? It is practically advertising for something wrong to happen. I flagged that post.

[True2Blues]

Remember the movie "Annie?" That's a lot of the problem I believe is we have NO MORE orphanages. This is not some "Old fashion" thought.
They need to start building them with all the children that are being murdered and thrown in the trash like garbage.:mad:
I realize they have "safe havens" for mother and children but when the mother NO longer wants their children they should have something rather than a law that says drop them off at a hospital IF they are under 2.
True2blue, do you remember the people who came down from Wisconsin and dropped their kids off at a hospital in Nebraska and the oldest one was 17? (after they came out with that new law in NE) That's when they put a stop to it and changed the law regarding age. So, if your under 2 you're worth salvaging.:rolleyes:
Perhaps if they had open orphanages again Casey may have been so angry she would have possibly just dropped Caylee off in front instead of murdering her.
Then we have rubber lip Cindy who compared her to OLD pizza!:cursing:
JMO

Hi Dianna. I remember all the loons who wanted to get rid of their children. They just got the youngest of the 7 children that man didn't want because his wife had died, adopted this past week.

I'm not sure orphanages are such a bad idea either. Stability is important to children, it can't be any worse than being passed from foster home to foster home. There is always that picture of someone leaving a baby in a basket on the step, and someone coming out and taking it in.

[Daffodil]

Hi Dianna. I remember all the loons who wanted to get rid of their children. They just got the youngest of the 7 children that man didn't want because his wife had died, adopted this past week.

I'm not sure orphanages are such a bad idea either. Stability is important to children, it can't be any worse than being passed from foster home to foster home. There is always that picture of someone leaving a baby in a basket on the step, and someone coming out and taking it in.

It sounds like we all think orphanages need to be brought back. But there need to be strict rules about who and how they are run.

[Katprint]

yes CJ, SHE wrote the obituary....gawd

http://cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2009/2/9/caylee_anthonys_obituary_as_written_by_cindy_antho ny.html

<respectfully snipped>
I remember how shocked I was at the time, that Cindy would presume to command GOD to make Caylee a guardian angel and assign her to watch over other children. I don't know whether or not that is part of God's plan - maybe God wants Caylee to play and have fun in Heaven rather than immediately get working on Cindy's task - but I seriously doubt God is required to do whatever Cindy tells Him to do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinion

[Daffodil]

I remember how shocked I was at the time, that Cindy would presume to command GOD to make Caylee a guardian angel and assign her to watch over other children. I don't know whether or not that is part of God's plan - maybe God wants Caylee to play and have fun in Heaven rather than immediately get working on Cindy's task - but I seriously doubt God is required to do whatever Cindy tells Him to do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinion



And thank goodness for that!!! What a comfort to hear that!!!


Good night all!!! I do hope we can continue the momemtum going.

[Sandy001]

I don't know how, either. The only thing I can come up with is public service announcements.

The best way to change public behavior is to make something "unthinkable" or "not cool". Give people options.. make it clear that people WANT to adopt babies.

Keep the government out of it as much as possible. Watch a movie called Witch Hunt. It's a documentary and it's excellent. A woman I know was a social worker when this was going on and it caused her to get OUT OF social work. It's a hideous example of what can go wrong when zealots and the government join hands.

[CelticDawn]

Well the name I have in mind will get me banned.

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Oh come on Yall ALL be nice!!!


not aimed at anybody cause I really loke all of yall ....


just BE NICE!!! EVERYBODY!!!

[Katprint]

You missed my point. Or ... we have entirely different views on what constitutes healthy parenting. My view is leaving your kids with your 17 year old girlfriend doesn't qualify as healthy parenting. Nor does having convicted sex offenders around your 5 year-old daughter. Nor does doing unspeakable things to someone else's daughter. Imo, children deserve a whole hell of a lot more than any of those 3 have to offer.
It is too bad that it is not easier to terminate parental rights. There are a lot of American prospective parents spending enormous amounts of time, money and effort to adopt children from other countries who could be providing excellent homes for American children currently in pretty bad situations.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[KittyMom]

I have a very close friend who entered a children's home at age 7 and decided to leave at age 18. She'll tell you that have a home with parents and siblings would've been ideal. But, the child's home saved her life. She went on to work with DFACS and saw for herself the horror of rotating foster homes. She has stated that having that stable environment is what helps a kid develop a foundation. The uncertainty and insecurity are more apt to scar a child deeply.

[True2Blues]

Now THAT scares me. I know there are good foster care homes, but I have heard more horror stories about foster care than good ones. And, personally, I think the state should stay out of it. I know, if you call CPS as a frustrated parent, they will come and take your child away and arrest you. Not the proper solution.

A better solution would be good parenting classes for the parents imo

The state is made responsible for abandoned children. They provide for their food, clothes and medical care. Unless private citizens start leaping forward and offering to take on that responsibility individually, the state will have to carry that burden. Someone's got to do it.

[CelticDawn]

There are a lot of parents out there that are afraid of what other people would think if they gave up their child. Maybe now a days it's a little different. In Casey's case there was very few that seen Caylee with Casey because Caylee was always at the house and Casey was out partying. All Casey had to do was give the child up and do what she does best and lie through her teeth. When someone asked about Caylee she could tell them, NANNY, NANNY, NANNY and no one would know the difference.

Casey was so jealous and selfish of the relationship between her mother and Caylee she figured if "I" don't want Caylee, no one will have her. (Especially my mother):sad:
JMO

THOSW PEOPLE are so full of grandiose delusion that they probably believed that even though THEY didnt really want caylee....nobody ELSE was worthy of raising anyone with their 'superior genes".....


.....It amazes me....Cindy DENIED that a 7 month pregnant casey was pregnant.....why couldnt they just keep up that ruse until casey 'had surgery to fix the problem"????


they disgust me in every sense of the word!!!!

[True2Blues]

I have a very close friend who entered a children's home at age 7 and decided to leave at age 18. She'll tell you that have a home with parents and siblings would've been ideal. But, the child's home saved her life. She went on to work with DFACS and saw for herself the horror of rotating foster homes. She has stated that having that stable environment is what helps a kid develop a foundation. The uncertainty and insecurity are more apt to scar a child deeply.

Too bad no one wants to listen to people like your friend. Maybe then they could get investors for children's homes, instead of private prisons. Thanks for sharing that information.

[Dovey]

I guess there hasn't been a doc dump again today....geeze when will we see another.
Hiding out here from the political board before I need a new dress...
Anyone think we will get a doc dump this week?

[True2Blues]

It sounds like we all think orphanages need to be brought back. But there need to be strict rules about who and how they are run.

Careful and constant monitoring too, but the money for that has to come from somewhere.

Maybe they should take the state aid from people who have children they can't afford to support, and tell them to do it themselves. Then they could turn that money over to take care of abandoned children.

(Like the government could actually get anything like that arranged in this century.)

[legalmania]

???????????????????????????


Oh come on Yall ALL be nice!!!


not aimed at anybody cause I really loke all of yall ....


just BE NICE!!! EVERYBODY!!!

This all started because a poster asked if they could give a nickname to Lois because that is her name also. It was as simple as that. Then everybody started getting smart mouthed.

[sammy62]

Your name aint "Lowest".......its Lois! And Im pretty sure you dont fit that description....<Youd have to see to believe> (I hope God dont punish me for that)

The "no teeth" was the first clue.



Identifying as Sammy with smiley teeth. And way to lazy to go out at night. I have a big problem with her saying the signs are for Caylee. Its just a power struggle. I don't remember who was the poster...but they planted a tree in their town for Caylee. Thats true memorializing..

Prayers for Jimmy, his family and our friend.

Night all...I'm off to bed.

[Dovey]

Being we are on the subject of adoption, I'd like to know how many are aware of Homechildren? Please PM me on this topic I'd be especially interested in all the Canadian responses.

[legalmania]

It is too bad that it is not easier to terminate parental rights. There are a lot of American prospective parents spending enormous amounts of time, money and effort to adopt children from other countries who could be providing excellent homes for American children currently in pretty bad situations.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

You know what they're doing now don't you? Their promising the people the baby and the people pay all the medical bills and then pay the mother, but the law says the mother has up to three days to take the baby back. So they say they change their minds get anywhere from 10k up and these poor women who want a baby so badly get nothing.