Monday, June 1st thru 14th

[Ice Cycle]

Hope I did this right it's my first thread started.
I also hope they are able to sort though this and convict he (or whoever) did this.

[Ontario]

I had asked this on the weekend, but he has been in jail for a couple of weeks now, and we are not hearing anything about the parents (his), I am only wondering if they might try to talk him into saying that he is guilty and avoid this mess and expenses as he has no fund, like Mark Hacking's Mom and Dad and Family did!

Tks!!

[Ice Cycle]

I had asked this on the weekend, but he has been in jail for a couple of weeks now, and we are not hearing anything about the parents (his), I am only wondering if they might try to talk him into saying that he is guilty and avoid this mess and expenses as he has no fund, like Mark Hacking's Mom and Dad and Family did!

Tks!!

Good Day All,

Just MO and could be wrong but somehow don't see him ever confessing to this. It is kind of odd the parents haven't spoke
out at all. Regardless of what they have done or not done I am certain this has been hard for them to grasp also.
But you would of thought by now they would of said something, if not for at least their grandchildren. Maybe now acting under Attorney advise.

[DeeN]

have caused such a commotion by talking to the media, and don't want to go there.

However, I still think that they should issue some sort of statement regarding the horrible loss of their grandchildren and daughter inlaw !

Sheesh.:mad:



Good Day All,

Just MO and could be wrong but somehow don't see him ever confessing to this. It is kind of odd the parents haven't spoke
out at all. Regardless of what they have done or not done I am certain this has been hard for them to grasp also.
But you would of thought by now they would of said something, if not for at least their grandchildren. Maybe now acting under Attorney advise.

[Amy]

Good Day All,

Just MO and could be wrong but somehow don't see him ever confessing to this. It is kind of odd the parents haven't spoke
out at all. Regardless of what they have done or not done I am certain this has been hard for them to grasp also.
But you would of thought by now they would of said something, if not for at least their grandchildren. Maybe now acting under Attorney advise.

I think both families are being very, very smart, whether they are not talking of their own accord, or if they aren't talking because of legal advise. The only person I have seen is the cousin of Sheri's and he is emphatic in correcting NG, saying he is NOT a family spokesperson. Even so, he has been very low-key, that is, the several times I saw him on NG.

[Ontario]

From what I have read and heard the only thing they are talking about right now is Tara and the relationship they had with her in the family. Other than that they have not commented on whether they believe their son did this or not.
JMO

Do you mean they knew about Tara (she is the girlfriend correct) or she had a friendship with his family also?? Help me out friends please?

[Ice Cycle]

have caused such a commotion by talking to the media, and don't want to go there.

However, I still think that they should issue some sort of statement regarding the horrible loss of their grandchildren and daughter inlaw !

Sheesh.:mad:

Yes and that is what I meant either issue or a one time statement, certainly not a Anthony repeat.

[sunstar]

Nancy Grace is talking about Coleman tonight. :smile: She started about halfway through her show at the bottom of the hour.

[sunstar]

I just watched NG. The stripper mistress, excuse me ex-hostess at a strip club, has told LE that CC said he was divorcing Sheri, and that they had already planned a wedding date. At trial, she will be another Amber Freying a grotesque sociopath. I doubt after hearing that, and then about the phone call to her the night of the murders, and then CC changing his email address and sending her email the day after, that the jury will have much sympathy for CC. Even NG's guest defense attorney kept hedging about the rigor showing that the murders took place a few hours before CC says he left for the gym. The defense attorney only wanted to focus on the finding the "mad man" who sent the threatening letters. If that's the thing that the defense will focus on, as Marc Klass responded about CC, "He's toast..."

I heard him. It was Alex Sanchez trying to change the subject with Nancy by going off on the threatening letters and not answering her questions about rigor mortis. After listening to him, I really wondering what road CC's defense will take? Will the ME be all wrong about the TOD, and LE "rushed to judgement"? MOO

[Musterion]

Hi everyone,

Is Tara standing by Chris? I'm hearing conflicting stories. Does anyone know? Or do we just surmise, 'no', because she went to LE?

IMO.
M.

[darcie]

Accused killer Coleman gets visitors in jail

Chris Coleman, the father accused of killing his wife and two sons, has had a few visitors since being locked up at the Monroe County Jail.

Almost all of them, with one exception, are related to him.

Coleman's mother and father, Ronald and Connie Coleman. visited May 24. His brother and sister-in-law visited Sunday, according to records provided by the Monroe County Sheriff's Department through a Freedom of Information Act request.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/4F714E13EDD08A79862575C8007A29B2?OpenDocument:bigg rin:

[Leanne Weich]

I just watched NG. The stripper mistress, excuse me ex-hostess at a strip club, has told LE that CC said he was divorcing Sheri, and that they had already planned a wedding date. At trial, she will be another Amber Freying a grotesque sociopath. I doubt after hearing that, and then about the phone call to her the night of the murders, and then CC changing his email address and sending her email the day after, that the jury will have much sympathy for CC. Even NG's guest defense attorney kept hedging about the rigor showing that the murders took place a few hours before CC says he left for the gym. The defense attorney only wanted to focus on the finding the "mad man" who sent the threatening letters. If that's the thing that the defense will focus on, as Marc Klass responded about CC, "He's toast..."

I don't think it's fair to compare Amber and Tara. Amber didn't know Scott was married and when she found out, she went to LE. Tara, not only knew Chris was married, she was Sherri's friend. No comparison, imo.

[Musterion]

I don't think it's fair to compare Amber and Tara. Amber didn't know Scott was married and when she found out, she went to LE. Tara, not only knew Chris was married, she was Sherri's friend. No comparison, imo.

Hi Leanne, my friend! How have you been?

I think this case is probably one of the most disturbing and despicable I have run across in a long time. If ever.

Christopher Vaughn comes close for murdering his wife, 34-year-old Kimberly Vaughn and her children, Abigayle, 12, Cassandra, 11, and Blake, 8 in 2007. Shot to death in their SUV in Illinois.

You are right, IMO, that the difference between Amber Frey and Tara, is that Frey was not known to be a 'good' friend to the deceased.

Tara knew better. She did go to the police with information, but, she knew, for months that she was betraying her friend.

Now, what do we look 'forward' to? Tara becomes a millionaire with a book deal? Goes on 'Oprah'? I pray she silently slips into a quiet life.

IMO.
M.

Sheri:rose:
Gavin:rose:
Garret::rose:

[annalyzer]

Monday, Jun. 01, 2009

Latest Coleman revelation: He admitted to affair with wife's 'good friend'
Talked to girlfriend before wife, sons died

COLUMBIA -- In the hours before Christopher Coleman's wife and two sons were found strangled in their Columbia home, Coleman talked long distance to a girlfriend in Florida he planned to marry, according to search warrant records filed Friday.

Coleman planned to divorce his wife by June 14 and marry his wife's "good friend" Tara Lintz, 31, of St. Petersburg, Fla., next year, according to the records that became available after legal action filed by the Belleville News-Democrat in Monroe County Circuit Court.

Coleman has been charged with first-degree murder in the May 5 ligature strangulations of his wife, Sheri Coleman, 31, and their sons Garett, 11, and Gavin, 9. The 32-year-old former head of security for the Joyce Meyer Ministries is being held in Monroe County Jail without bond.


The records reveal the following:

• During an interview with homicide investigators from the St. Petersburg Police Department, Lintz admitted having a sexual relationship with Christopher Coleman, 32, since November. Lintz said Coleman planned to divorce Sheri Coleman by June 14. The relationship started several weeks after Sheri Coleman signed off the family's deed to their $230,000 home at 2854 Robert Drive in Columbia on Oct. 6.

• Lintz told police Coleman told her that he did not commit the homicides and that he had an alibi.

• Coleman told investigators from the Major Case Squad that he denied committing the homicides but admitted having a sexual relationship with Lintz.

• The last login date of Sheri Coleman's MySpace account was May 4 -- the day before her body was found. The time of the login was not known. Lintz was listed as a friend on Sheri Coleman's MySpace account.

• Sheri Coleman's friends told police that she recently closed her Facebook account because she received threats possibly related to death threats she had received at her residence.

"Sheri also reported to friends that there were unauthorized changes to her Facebook account without her knowledge," the records stated.

• Lintz told Florida officers that Christopher Coleman was receiving death threats and that he had e-mailed Lintz pictures of the threatening letter to her Gmail account.

• Lintz admitted having "explicit communication" with Christopher Coleman by using her Blackberry, which can transport instant images, and her Facebook account.

• Christopher Coleman's father, the Rev. Ronald Coleman, told an investigator that Lintz was a "good friend" of Sheri Coleman.

• When investigators first contacted Lintz, she was already aware of the homicides, which were widely publicized. She told police she had spoken to Christopher Coleman the evening of May 4.

Search warrant records were also released Wednesday. Those records showed that detectives found an orange piece of twine with a noose tied on one end near the Jefferson Barracks Bridge that resembled twine used to tie four bales of straw found behind the Colemans' home.

Those warrants also showed that Sheri Coleman was found naked and face down in bed. Rigor mortis, which stiffens a corpse and usually occurs after two or three hours, had set in, the records showed.

He also described messages spray-painted in red paint across the walls. Laced with obscenities, they appear to have been directed at Sheri Coleman and include "punished" in the downstairs dining room, "***** paid" or "u have paid" in an upstairs room and "I saw you leave, (expletive) you, I am always watching" in the kitchen.

Coleman told Columbia police that he had gone to a gym to workout, leaving the house about 5:45 a.m. Before 7 a.m., he called the Columbia police to report that he could not reach his family and ask that they check in on them.

Christopher Coleman resigned from his security job after consultation with a Joyce Meyer Ministries official concerning an alleged violation of the religious group's "moral policy."

Mike Cole, an employee of Joyce Meyer Ministries, in April "provided a list of names as well as photos of people that have threatened Coleman and other Joyce Meyer Ministries employees and who Coleman stated he believed could be responsible for the threats" the Coleman family had received.

Maj. Jeff Connor of the Granite City Police Department, commander of the Major Case Squad assigned to the Coleman family homicides, said Friday he would not comment on evidence.

http://www.bnd.com/372/story/788300.html

[Leanne Weich]

Hey Must. Yep, this case is as disturbing as the Vaughn murders. Has hde been brought to trial yet?

Let's hope Tara isn't feted over this and that she takes the high road now (even though that will probably seem counter-intuitive considering she didn't seem to find much wrong with sleeping with her friend's husband) and doesn't seek the limelight.

[darcie]

I find this, *snipped from the post and link provided by annalyzer, (thank you by the way), interesting. I am glad that they have friends verifying this. I know on the St. Louis Post Dispatch comment section, there has been lot of rumbling about Sheri's having plans to move out of the home and into a friends home. I have never read that in a link though. I am on the fence about Sheri's possibly knowing about the affair. I think if she did, she just found out...and it wasn't something she was o-kay with ( as Scott Peterson claimed with Laci).

But it will be interesting to see who HAD gotten on her face book page. Was it Chris, or was it Tara? and I wonder what had been changed.

*snipped*

• Sheri Coleman's friends told police that she recently closed her Facebook account because she received threats possibly related to death threats she had received at her residence.

"Sheri also reported to friends that there were unauthorized changes to her Facebook account without her knowledge," the records stated.

http://www.bnd.com/372/story/788300.html

[aproudmom]

I had asked this on the weekend, but he has been in jail for a couple of weeks now, and we are not hearing anything about the parents (his), I am only wondering if they might try to talk him into saying that he is guilty and avoid this mess and expenses as he has no fund, like Mark Hacking's Mom and Dad and Family did!

Tks!!

I could not look them in the eyes after doing this so maybe he does not want to see them..

[Amy]

I find this, *snipped from the post and link provided by annalyzer, (thank you by the way), interesting. I am glad that they have friends verifying this. I know on the St. Louis Post Dispatch comment section, there has been lot of rumbling about Sheri's having plans to move out of the home and into a friends home. I have never read that in a link though. I am on the fence about Sheri's possibly knowing about the affair. I think if she did, she just found out...and it wasn't something she was o-kay with ( as Scott Peterson claimed with Laci).

But it will be interesting to see who HAD gotten on her face book page. Was it Chris, or was it Tara? and I wonder what had been changed.

*snipped*

• Sheri Coleman's friends told police that she recently closed her Facebook account because she received threats possibly related to death threats she had received at her residence.

"Sheri also reported to friends that there were unauthorized changes to her Facebook account without her knowledge," the records stated.

http://www.bnd.com/372/story/788300.html
Nearly @ the bottom of the article:

Mike Cole, an employee of Joyce Meyer Ministries, in April "provided a list of names as well as photos of people that have threatened Coleman and other Joyce Meyer Ministries employees and who Coleman stated he believed could be responsible for the threats" the Coleman family had received.

Wonder to whom he provided this list? To LE? Did he just up and provide this information to them or was this a list he compiled for LE for an investigation they were making in response to CC's reporting the threats?

LE says they aren't commenting on evidence, so wonder who gave this info to the reporter? And, the last part--"who Coleman stated he believed could be responsible"---does this mean CC thinks this fellow Cole is responsible, or is he saying people on the list could be responsible?

[aproudmom]

I don't think it's fair to compare Amber and Tara. Amber didn't know Scott was married and when she found out, she went to LE. Tara, not only knew Chris was married, she was Sherri's friend. No comparison, imo.

ITA for one Amber was mislead by him she did not know he was married and she was NOT SP friend who was a friend on her myspace...BIG DIFFRENCE IMO

[omsk99]

If he (CC) was indeed planning on filing for divorce on June 14, why murder his family? Just blows my mind - it surely can't be because of child support! :flamemad:

[Ice Cycle]

If he (CC) was indeed planning on filing for divorce on June 14, why murder his family? Just blows my mind - it surely can't be because of child support! :flamemad:

This is a mystery to me also and I believe it has to be more than that. Of course it is also only the girl's word that he planned to marry her at all. I have said before that I wonder if Sherri found out and their was a argument and she either threatened to leave and or
make it known to JM.- Not that it would not be justified. Just wondering if he was concerned about appearances.

[dgfred]

This is a mystery to me also and I believe it has to be more than that. Of course it is also only the girl's word that he planned to marry her at all. I have said before that I wonder if Sherri found out and their was a argument and she either threatened to leave and or
make it known to JM.- Not that it would not be justified. Just wondering if he was concerned about appearances.

I feel like the divorce might have been 'in the works' and that something forced his hand... like she found out about the affair or had found out about financial misdeeds... he panicked and this happened.

[bkwits]

This is a mystery to me also and I believe it has to be more than that. Of course it is also only the girl's word that he planned to marry her at all. I have said before that I wonder if Sherri found out and their was a argument and she either threatened to leave and or
make it known to JM.- Not that it would not be justified. Just wondering if he was concerned about appearances.

If I were a betting person, I would bet a few bucks that CC told Tara about the divorce and that he would marry her. I don't see that she has good reason to lie at this point, He had very good reasons to lie or make promises. He wanted to hang on to Tara.

I had been thinking along those same lines that maybe CC had talked about divorce that night or Sheri found out or suspected that he was cheating on her, hence the argument. It seemed though, that CC just wanted a new life, so he "wiped the slate clean." Ugh what a monster.

IMO

[bkwits]

This is a mystery to me also and I believe it has to be more than that. Of course it is also only the girl's word that he planned to marry her at all. I have said before that I wonder if Sherri found out and their was a argument and she either threatened to leave and or
make it known to JM.- Not that it would not be justified. Just wondering if he was concerned about appearances.

:sad:
My late husband used to say that we can't make sense out of an irrational act.

[Ontario]

That's exactly what he was concerned about IMO. Remember he is a preacher's son and worked for a ministry. Divorce would have shamed him and the family. Nope. Just get rid of them, instead.

Totally agree, remember Mark Hacking he killed his wife Lori on the Sunday night after they had a fight and she knew he was not going to college, and she was going to tell his Father what he had done, and he was I guess afraid of his Father so he killed her, this way she could not tell his Father, and he made a big mess trying to devert the police in thinking she had gone missing after her morning Monday jog, when he had done the terrible deed the night before!! It all comes out in the wash!!

[sunstar]

Looks like (right now) the family doesn't plan to turn this into an "Anthony" case. With all this evidence it seems like it may be a pretty normal clean, cut, dry case. This family is the total opposite of the trash coming out of Florida. (The Anthony's)

However, the girlfriend Tara is a stripper in a club and she's use to being in the lime light, if you will. As soon as the media gets hold of her it wouldn't surprise me she retains an attorney (Gloria Allred) no doubt. She may even go as far as talk shows, Oprah, LKL and the rest of them. The girl needs to make money and this will be her way out of stripping. I think her biggest mistake would be visiting Coleman in jail or having anything to do with him. Maybe a book in the end. Usually happens that way.:read:
JMO

OMG :scared: I sure hope we don't have to see her on tv shows! She's already betrayed her "friend" Sheri, and I wouldn't want Sheri's family to have to see this woman become some sort of celebrity. MOO

[hacamila]

Does anyone have a link to Sheri Coleman's MySpace page?

[Musterion]

Does anyone have a link to Sheri Coleman's MySpace page?

Hi hacamila,

Welcome to the boards.

Here is the link but this is all you can view of it:

http://www.myspace.com/littlesheric

It's just so sad to look at her happy face.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

True or not? :(

GRACE: Straight out to Marlaina Schiavo, joining us from St. Petersburg, Florida, also on the story. Marlaina, what can you tell me about this woman, Tara Lintz?
(ON THE PHONE)
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Well, I can tell you, Nancy, that she is still working at a dog track. She`s a cocktail waitress.
GRACE: Whoa. Whoa. What? She`s where?
SCHIAVO: She`s working at a local racetrack down here in St. Petersburg. She`s a cocktail waitress. I actually went into her place of work yesterday, and I approached her to talk to her. She shied away. Not shockingly. But did not want to speak at all whatsoever.
And her demeanor at work, honestly, wasn`t — wasn`t different. I mean she seems — and she was smiling. She was talking to people. And that`s pretty much what I observed.
GRACE: So her high school friend is dead, murdered, cops say by her lover. Two little boys murdered in their own beds. And she`s smiling and serving cocktails, no problem?
SCHIAVO: She didn`t seem to have a problem. I was in there for about 40 minutes just checking out the scene and looking at the establishment itself and watching her a little bit just waiting to talk to her, and she didn`t seem troubled in any way, shape, or form.

http://www.primewriter.com/blog/?p=2251

[Musterion]

{{WOW}}
Thanx Must!:seeya:

Welcome, Dianna, :)

[Amy]

If he (CC) was indeed planning on filing for divorce on June 14, why murder his family? Just blows my mind - it surely can't be because of child support! :flamemad:

Perhaps this was what the 3am fight was about? Possibly he approached Sheri about a divorce, and she wasn't interested? Or, maybe she had knew things about him that would come out in a divorce, that he didn't want to come out? Like bringing the fact that he was having an affair to the JMM? And, that would be ironic-as that little tidbit came out, anyway.

[Amy]

True or not? :(

GRACE: Straight out to Marlaina Schiavo, joining us from St. Petersburg, Florida, also on the story. Marlaina, what can you tell me about this woman, Tara Lintz?
(ON THE PHONE)
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Well, I can tell you, Nancy, that she is still working at a dog track. She`s a cocktail waitress.
GRACE: Whoa. Whoa. What? She`s where?
SCHIAVO: She`s working at a local racetrack down here in St. Petersburg. She`s a cocktail waitress. I actually went into her place of work yesterday, and I approached her to talk to her. She shied away. Not shockingly. But did not want to speak at all whatsoever.
And her demeanor at work, honestly, wasn`t — wasn`t different. I mean she seems — and she was smiling. She was talking to people. And that`s pretty much what I observed.
GRACE: So her high school friend is dead, murdered, cops say by her lover. Two little boys murdered in their own beds. And she`s smiling and serving cocktails, no problem?
SCHIAVO: She didn`t seem to have a problem. I was in there for about 40 minutes just checking out the scene and looking at the establishment itself and watching her a little bit just waiting to talk to her, and she didn`t seem troubled in any way, shape, or form.

http://www.primewriter.com/blog/?p=2251

If my BFF from high school were to be murdered today, I would be upset. I might try to take a day off from work, but most likely would try to take time off where I could attend the funeral. Unless it is the death of someone in the IMMEDIATE family--which does not even include aunts, uncles and cousins, most places of employment don't give people time off. Since the bills have to be paid, most of us have to continue to work. And, if our work requires us to smile and laugh (and I would think it would be important for a waitress of ANY kind, as they depend on tips a lot) then, that is what we do.

NG might be in a financial place where she could take indefinite time off for the death (no matter how it occured) of a friend from high school, but most of us do not have that luxury. It has been how many weeks now? Almost a month. I do imagine the woman had to return to work, if she was even allowed any time off in the first place. And, just because she was smiling and laughing doesn't necessarily mean her heart was in it--but it is pretty much required of her job. IMO

[scbeach]

If my BFF from high school were to be murdered today, I would be upset. I might try to take a day off from work, but most likely would try to take time off where I could attend the funeral. Unless it is the death of someone in the IMMEDIATE family--which does not even include aunts, uncles and cousins, most places of employment don't give people time off. Since the bills have to be paid, most of us have to continue to work. And, if our work requires us to smile and laugh (and I would think it would be important for a waitress of ANY kind, as they depend on tips a lot) then, that is what we do.

NG might be in a financial place where she could take indefinite time off for the death (no matter how it occured) of a friend from high school, but most of us do not have that luxury. It has been how many weeks now? Almost a month. I do imagine the woman had to return to work, if she was even allowed any time off in the first place. And, just because she was smiling and laughing doesn't necessarily mean her heart was in it--but it is pretty much required of her job. IMO

ITA. I thought the same things when I heard this on NG.

[Leanne Weich]

I agree! Her working seemingly without problem is the one thing I don't have against her. Gotta work to keep a roof over your head and, while at work, gotta wear the "work mask".

Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you. However, if my lover was arrested for murdering my friend when he was planning to marry me, I think I'd be such a wreck I wouldn't be able to work even if I needed the money - let alone do so with a smile plastered on my face.

[Kip]

I can understand that. I have a biddy who lost his wife unexpectedly 2 weeks ago during a surgery on her knee. He is in shock and dealing with 2 kids. He has had to go back to work as a server at Denny's this week and is pulling it off.
I would think I would be a total wreck too but I guess some are able to just do what they need to do. Just not something I am willing to add to the list of things that I don't like and don't trust about that woman.
All do respect to your point of view tho!

Gosh, that's an awful situation - I'm so sorry about your friend's wife.

I agree with you on your general point - I can't hold it against Tara that she's gone back to work. Most people have to keep working to pay their rent and put food on the table.

[Snail]

I have to say, I do not think the husband just "snapped". The threatening letters and emails months before the murders are evidence of premeditation.
It is possible he was planning the murders all along, and then something set him off (her finding out about the affair) that made him go through with it.....But it is just as possible that there was no incident immediately before the murders. He may have just finally decided it was time to go through with the plan.

[Snail]

I agree with you. This Coleman snapped when he began to sleep with Tara in my opinion. They say he called Tara before the murders and after the murders. (according to their timeline)
Perhaps he contacted her to make sure everything was good between them so he decided to just do it and get it done. It had been 6 months already that these (alleged) threatening letters and e-mails came into their lives. He had told Tara he was getting the divorce and would marry her in January, 2010. 6 months had already passed and if I remember, it takes at least one year to have your divorce finalized.
He had this murder planned.
What I don't know and wonder about is if Coleman was originally planning to murder his children. Was that also premeditated.:confused:
JMO


The whole situation is incomprehensible to me, but the murder of children.....ugh.......I also am terribly confused by that. If the threats included treats against the children, then that too was premeditated. If not, maybe it was a decision he made right in the moment. To make it more believable? I don't know. Maybe he thought the boys would burden his new relationship? So sad!

[Marcia3]

I have to say, I do not think the husband just "snapped". The threatening letters and emails months before the murders are evidence of premeditation.
It is possible he was planning the murders all along, and then something set him off (her finding out about the affair) that made him go through with it.....But it is just as possible that there was no incident immediately before the murders. He may have just finally decided it was time to go through with the plan.


ITA, absolutely. He planned this, and tried to get away with it, and of course he failed, IMO. June 14 was looming, he was supposed to be divorcing his wife. IMO he killed his sons either because he thought it would look more like a "stranger" crime or because one or both of them saw their mother being murdered or saw her after she was dead.

How can some people put no value at all on the lives of others, but value their own life so much?

[darcie]

I found a forum (which i haven't had a chance to read) ...but I didn't know if i could post the link? It's been talked about the the Belleville News comment section and the St. Louis Post dispatch

Anyone know if I could post it?

[Snail]

Monday, Jun. 01, 2009



Coleman told Columbia police that he had gone to a gym to workout, leaving the house about 5:45 a.m. Before 7 a.m., he called the Columbia police to report that he could not reach his family and ask that they check in on them.


http://www.bnd.com/372/story/788300.html

respectfully snipped :)

What Coleman reports is ridiculous! There is only an hour and 15 minutes between when he left and called police. He clearly called the police because he didn't want to be the one who "found" the bodies. Put yourself in that situation: If I couldn't get a hold of my family by phone and I became concerned, I would stop my workout, and go check on them myself before calling police. I would probably wait longer than an hour and 15 minutes before becoming concerned. Sometimes my family doesn't answer the phone and I get freaked out, but it would take longer to get police involved. again, why did he not just go check on them himself?

[Marcia3]

respectfully snipped :)

What Coleman reports is ridiculous! There is only an hour and 15 minutes between when he left and called police. He clearly called the police because he didn't want to be the one who "found" the bodies. Put yourself in that situation: If I couldn't get a hold of my family by phone and I became concerned, I would stop my workout, and go check on them myself before calling police. I would probably wait longer than an hour and 15 minutes before becoming concerned. Sometimes my family doesn't answer the phone and I get freaked out, but it would take longer to get police involved. again, why did he not just go check on them himself?

He sure didn't think this through, did he? Who calls LE for a wellness check after an hour and 15 minutes? For that matter, who goes off to the gym that early in the morning to work out when they've been receiving threats from some unknown source?

Of course, that all becomes plain when you consider that Coleman didn't need to protect his family from the outside world. They needed protection from him...IMO.

[CC I See]

Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you. However, if my lover was arrested for murdering my friend when he was planning to marry me, I think I'd be such a wreck I wouldn't be able to work even if I needed the money - let alone do so with a smile plastered on my face.

Maybe because that means you have a conscience and know the pain it caused your friend. Some people don't have one and don't care about what they do to cause pain to others. If she was going to marry a man she stole from her friend, then that says a lot right there.

[CarolinaStar]

< Respectfully Snipped>

NG might be in a financial place where she could take indefinite time off for the death (no matter how it occured) of a friend from high school, but most of us do not have that luxury. It has been how many weeks now? Almost a month. I do imagine the woman had to return to work, if she was even allowed any time off in the first place. And, just because she was smiling and laughing doesn't necessarily mean her heart was in it--but it is pretty much required of her job. IMO

And you actually think this adulterous hussy would know what the RIGHT thing to do in a situation like this one? IMO, her judgment is seriously impaired and ,further, I think any employer in this case would grant an extended leave of absence to an employee with this baggage attached to her. Ooops! I forgot they probably wouldn't know right from wrong at a bar at a dog track either! JMOO

[sunstar]

ITA...What would be worse for her is if she decided to stick it out with that pizz poor excuse for a man. (Coleman)
No one would have her and she would ultimately be standing alone like the rest of them lifers and men on death row who have girlfriends and new wives. That really slays me and I always wonder what makes them tick.
Tara is cooperating with LE however, so it doesn't look like she is or will be supporting this murderer. I firmly believe no matter what Coleman told Tara before he killed Sheri and their two boys and right after, she knows he killed them.
Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy!!! He'll pay for what he did to his wife and two boys...:mad:
JMHO

Yes, at least she has enough sense to know that she needs to cooperate with LE or they'll suspect she was involved in the murders, or at least planning along with Coleman. MOO

[Nellie]

Perhaps this was what the 3am fight was about? Possibly he approached Sheri about a divorce, and she wasn't interested? Or, maybe she had knew things about him that would come out in a divorce, that he didn't want to come out? Like bringing the fact that he was having an affair to the JMM? And, that would be ironic-as that little tidbit came out, anyway.

Well, he said he talked to Tara the night before. Where? When? Where was Sheri when he was on the phone with Tara? Maybe Sheri caught him on the phone and confronted him......

[sunstar]

respectfully snipped :)

What Coleman reports is ridiculous! There is only an hour and 15 minutes between when he left and called police. He clearly called the police because he didn't want to be the one who "found" the bodies. Put yourself in that situation: If I couldn't get a hold of my family by phone and I became concerned, I would stop my workout, and go check on them myself before calling police. I would probably wait longer than an hour and 15 minutes before becoming concerned. Sometimes my family doesn't answer the phone and I get freaked out, but it would take longer to get police involved. again, why did he not just go check on them himself?

I think this is one of the things that put up a red flag for LE almost immediately. It just doesn't make any sense. And what was with that unlocked (open) window in the back of the house? If you were receiving threats that could lead to the murder of your family, you'd make sure the house was secure! A pit bull or rottweiler would be a good idea also! :biggrin: MOO

[Nellie]

If my BFF from high school were to be murdered today, I would be upset. I might try to take a day off from work, but most likely would try to take time off where I could attend the funeral. Unless it is the death of someone in the IMMEDIATE family--which does not even include aunts, uncles and cousins, most places of employment don't give people time off. Since the bills have to be paid, most of us have to continue to work. And, if our work requires us to smile and laugh (and I would think it would be important for a waitress of ANY kind, as they depend on tips a lot) then, that is what we do.

NG might be in a financial place where she could take indefinite time off for the death (no matter how it occured) of a friend from high school, but most of us do not have that luxury. It has been how many weeks now? Almost a month. I do imagine the woman had to return to work, if she was even allowed any time off in the first place. And, just because she was smiling and laughing doesn't necessarily mean her heart was in it--but it is pretty much required of her job. IMO

I agree. I'm not sure what NG expects her to be doing, but I'm sure she doesn't have the luxury of locking herself away in her house. And, quite frankly, you have to put on a "happy face" when at work, so that doesn't mean anything. Since she's down in Florida, her clientele probably doesn't even know she's connected to such a case. A girl's gotta work....can't agree with NG's fury over her working and smile while she's doing it. And while Tara was messing with a married man, I will blame Chris for his own actions of murder until or unless I hear Tara was more involved.

[sunstar]

Perhaps this was what the 3am fight was about? Possibly he approached Sheri about a divorce, and she wasn't interested? Or, maybe she had knew things about him that would come out in a divorce, that he didn't want to come out? Like bringing the fact that he was having an affair to the JMM? And, that would be ironic-as that little tidbit came out, anyway.

I don't think he ever intended to get a divorce, but that was just something he told the mistress and instead was planning to get rid of (murder) his existing family. So, he invents the threats, probably knowing as the husband he'd be the first suspect. MOO

[sunstar]

Maybe because that means you have a conscience and know the pain it caused your friend. Some people don't have one and don't care about what they do to cause pain to others. If she was going to marry a man she stole from her friend, then that says a lot right there.

I don't understand what the issue is with the mistress supposedly smiling and showing no reaction while she's at work now. She was, after all, having an affair with her friend's husband, so now that Sheri and the kids are dead, she's going to be grieving over their deaths? The only thing I could see her being upset about is that he's in jail accused of 3 murders and their romantic summer vacation and wedding are "off". MOO

[Musterion]

Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you. However, if my lover was arrested for murdering my friend when he was planning to marry me, I think I'd be such a wreck I wouldn't be able to work even if I needed the money - let alone do so with a smile plastered on my face.

I agree.

I was, also, thinking in terms of her personal protection. She is probably one of the most disliked women in the U.S. right now.

Which leads me to another thought. If the stalker hated Chris so badly that he had to kill his wife and sons, and if the stalker, as he alluded to, knew every move Chris made, then why wouldn't Tara be in danger?

Killing Chris' lover and exposing Chris to public humiliation and shame, loss of reputation, divorce would probably have hurt Chris Coleman worse than losing his family to death.

IMO.
M.

[bkwits]

At little OT.

Another IL man tried to kill his whole family and himself. He set the house on fire and killed his wife and 11year old child plus himself. Two other children escaped. The man left a note.

This gets so depressing.

IMO

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/06/3rd-family-member-in-arlington-heights-fire-dies.html

[sunstar]

I agree.

I was, also, thinking in terms of her personal protection. She is probably one of the most disliked women in the U.S. right now.

Which leads me to another thought. If the stalker hated Chris so badly that he had to kill his wife and sons, and if the stalker, as he alluded to, knew every move Chris made, then why wouldn't Tara be in danger?

Killing Chris' lover and exposing Chris to public humiliation and shame, loss of reputation, divorce would probably have hurt Chris Coleman worse than losing his family to death.

IMO.
M.

But if the "stalker" had planned it so Coleman would look like the #1 suspect, then it would defeat the purpose if he were to strike now that Coleman's in jail. I don't think the mistress is in any danger, since the "stalker" and Coleman are one in the same, imo. :smile:

[Musterion]

I agree. I'm not sure what NG expects her to be doing, but I'm sure she doesn't have the luxury of locking herself away in her house. And, quite frankly, you have to put on a "happy face" when at work, so that doesn't mean anything. Since she's down in Florida, her clientele probably doesn't even know she's connected to such a case. A girl's gotta work....can't agree with NG's fury over her working and smile while she's doing it. And while Tara was messing with a married man, I will blame Chris for his own actions of murder until or unless I hear Tara was more involved.

Hi Nellie,

I think, when tragedy strikes the every day normal person it isn't advertised all over the media, so that might add a different element to Tara's situation.

I would be surprised if her customers did not know about her involvement with Chris.

If the media has been following her every move, as NG's reporter is, it would be almost impossible for whoever lives near her, works near her, shops near her to not know her association with Sheri Coleman and her boys' murders.

And, I would guess that most of the paying news programs/magazines have given her offers to speak to them. If she hasn't taken anyone up on that, good for her, but it might be tempting to her to tell her side of the story while getting out of a line of work she may not want to be in.

It's all so sad.

IMO.
M.

[aproudmom]

:sad:
My late husband used to say that we can't make sense out of an irrational act.

Very smart man your husband was

[darcie]

No coroner's inquest in Columbia triple murders; Coleman remains in jail

http://www.bnd.com/372/story/794373.html

*snipped*

The final word as to cause of death in the triple murder of Sheri Coleman and her two sons will come after several weeks when toxicological reports are returned.

But because autopsies were conducted on the three victims, investigators know the victims were murdered by ligature strangulation May 5.

----

I also wanted to post the forum I spoke about a few posts back. I looked at it, but doesn't seem like much as far as information that we don't have. Maybe you all will find something different and interesting posted on it.
cccc.forumotion.net

[girlspell]

The whole situation is incomprehensible to me, but the murder of children.....ugh.......I also am terribly confused by that. If the threats included treats against the children, then that too was premeditated. If not, maybe it was a decision he made right in the moment. To make it more believable? I don't know. Maybe he thought the boys would burden his new relationship? So sad!

There have been several incidents in which the "other person" did not want to be saddled with kids from the marriage. Susan Smith killed her kids, because her hoped for lover didn't want the kids around anymore Casey's last boyfriend didn't want to be stuck with a small child. You hear more of this from women who kill their kids. Most of the time, they will have custody. But it does happen with Dads too. He wanted a "clean sweep". By God, he did...:sad:

[bkwits]

Very smart man your husband was


Thank you. He was a lifetime Mensa member. I miss him. :wub:

[bkwits]

There have been several incidents in which the "other person" did not want to be saddled with kids from the marriage. Susan Smith killed her kids, because her hoped for lover didn't want the kids around anymore Casey's last boyfriend didn't want to be stuck with a small child. You hear more of this from women who kill their kids. Most of the time, they will have custody. But it does happen with Dads too. He wanted a "clean sweep". By God, he did...:sad:

Diane Downs, in Ore or Wash, was another mom who shot her kids, because of a man who didn't want to be a "daddy." One daughter survived, though was in very bad shape for a long time. She had to testify against her mom. I read Ann Rule's book and saw the movie.

The guy didn't seem like a bad egg. He was appalled that Downs had done this I don't think he was even that seriously interested in her to begin with. He said he liked the kids, but he just didn't want to be a dad. He didn't have kids of his own either.

One interesting and heartwarming note. The DA and his wife adopted the surviving daughter of Diane Downs.

[Kip]

Diane Downs, in Ore or Wash, was another mom who shot her kids, because of a man who didn't want to be a "daddy." One daughter survived, though was in very bad shape for a long time. She had to testify against her mom. I read Ann Rule's book and saw the movie.

The guy didn't seem like a bad egg. He was appalled that Downs had done this I don't think he was even that seriously interested in her to begin with. He said he liked the kids, but he just didn't want to be a dad. He didn't have kids of his own either.

One interesting and heartwarming note. The DA and his wife adopted the surviving daughter of Diane Downs.

Yes...a very heartwarming story. Two of Diane Downs children survived. Her son was left a paraplegic - he too was adopted by the prosecutor and his wife. I believe both children have graduated college.

Re the Coleman murders...I'm very interested to hear what the toxicology reports will say. On another board there was talk that Sheri had called a friend that night and said that for the first time in their marriage, Chris had cooked dinner that night, so the speculation was that he possibly drugged Sheri and the kids.

[darcie]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/DABE650267542738862575CB0063ABB9?OpenDocument

Judge extends order protecting Sheri Coleman's assets

An attorney representing the family of Sheri Coleman said a judge granted a motion today extending a court order protecting her assets.

“We are working with Mr. Coleman's attorney to get some sort of agreed order,” said Jack Carey, a Belleville lawyer.

[bkwits]

Yes...a very heartwarming story. Two of Diane Downs children survived. Her son was left a paraplegic - he too was adopted by the prosecutor and his wife. I believe both children have graduated college.

Re the Coleman murders...I'm very interested to hear what the toxicology reports will say. On another board there was talk that Sheri had called a friend that night and said that for the first time in their marriage, Chris had cooked dinner that night, so the speculation was that he possibly drugged Sheri and the kids.

Thanks Kip, my memory was faulty on this one. You may be interested to know that Downs was just denied parole after 25 years in prison. She still denies she shot the children, and continues to weave fantastic contradictory stories. I also forgot that she escaped prison years ago. She is now in a CA prison.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008487068_webdianedowns09m.html

Scroll down to read about Downs.

IMO

[Kip]

{wow} I hadn't heard or seen that. We need a link, Kip.:huh:
jmo

Don't have a link. It was on the St Louis Today site - it the comments after the articles (and there are 1000+ comments after some of those articles). I have to say that there was a lot of information that came out there days before it was published in the media - the spray paint, the items LE found along the road, the fact that Sheri and the boys were strangled, the girlfriend in Florida. I posted some of those here as rumors at the time and they were later confirmed.

So for now, the "last supper" is only a rumor.

[Kip]

Well, it makes a lot of sense to me.:unsure: This woulds eliminate a huge struggle. What thread was it (if you don't mind) Do you have that?
JMO

I couldn't find it -- but there are so many posts to wade through -- I did find a copy of it on another forum:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3778275&postcount=91

Again, it's only a rumor at this point. This is the only case I can recall where so many rumors have turned out to be true.

[Ice Cycle]

No coroner's inquest in Columbia triple murders; Coleman remains in jail

http://www.bnd.com/372/story/794373.html

*snipped*

The final word as to cause of death in the triple murder of Sheri Coleman and her two sons will come after several weeks when toxicological reports are returned.

But because autopsies were conducted on the three victims, investigators know the victims were murdered by ligature strangulation May 5.

----

I also wanted to post the forum I spoke about a few posts back. I looked at it, but doesn't seem like much as far as information that we don't have. Maybe you all will find something different and interesting posted on it.
cccc.forumotion.net

I would think the toxicological reports should not take that much longer since this was done over a month ago but I wonder if they will reveal the results.

[Musterion]

"As some of you know Sheri was a friend of mine from High School."

http://www.chipandco.com/?p=759

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

"Company Description:
Executive Innovations (E.I.) will be a start-up Limited Liability Company in Columbia, Illinois. Executive Innovations is a full-service electronic security systems integrator and remote surveillance monitoring company. E.I. provides security analysis, systems design, equipment purchase, installation, and integration for off-site video monitoring. E.I. revenue is generated from both recurring video monitoring fees and systems installations. The monitoring advantages offered by E.I. to its clients include: the elimination of false alarms, immediate notification to law enforcement, description and physical location of perpetrator(s) to law enforcement during the crime, 24/7 on-site digital image recording and storage, alarm indicator points for ease of reviewing incidents and significant."

http://www.gobignetwork.com/profiles/Chris-Coleman2.aspx

LLC MANAGERS

Entity Name EXECUTIVE INNOVATIONS LLC File Number 02658739
Name Address
COLEMAN, CHRISTOPHER E. 2854 ROBERT DRIVE, COLUMBIA, IL - 62236
COLEMAN, SHERI 2854 ROBERT DRIVE, COLUMBIA, IL - 62236

http://www.ilsos.gov/corporatellc/CorporateLlcController?command=mms&fileNbr=02658739&type=MGR

IMO.
M.

[Kip]

"As some of you know Sheri was a friend of mine from High School."

http://www.chipandco.com/?p=759

IMO.
M.

Links to police reports at that site. Thanks, Musterion!

[sunstar]

Re the Coleman murders...I'm very interested to hear what the toxicology reports will say. On another board there was talk that Sheri had called a friend that night and said that for the first time in their marriage, Chris had cooked dinner that night, so the speculation was that he possibly drugged Sheri and the kids.

(respectfully snipped)

That wouldn't surprise me at all. It would almost guarantee that he'd be able to kill all of them without a struggle. The only problem with that scenario would be the time of dinner in relation to when the murders occurred. It seems it would be several hours apart and drugs would wear off. :shrug: MOO

[Musterion]

Interesting Comments.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/columbia-il/TTVSSJSGP2EPI8JBB

IMO.
M.

And, you're welcome, Kip!

[sunstar]

He goes less than 10 miles away, call home to make sure the wife and kids are up for school which he probably never did before. No answer, so he sends the cops over to investigate. Spray painted messages on the wall and 3 murders in a little over an hour. Having an affair, removing his wife's name from a deed to their house AND...the extra Insurance policies he purchased at the end of 2008.
Orange piece of twin with a noose tied and glove with red paint found on the side of the route he took back and forth to the gym. Exact same orange twine used to tie 4 bails of hay found in his back yard.

This making a wonderful dinner for the family the night before. Hmmmmm, drugged?

Premeditated!!:ohmy:
jmo
Oh, I definitely agree it was all very premeditated. I can't get over him cooking dinner the night before ~ like he's serving the last meal before their execution. :flamemad: MOO

[Ice Cycle]

He goes less than 10 miles away, call home to make sure the wife and kids are up for school which he probably never did before. No answer, so he sends the cops over to investigate. Spray painted messages on the wall and 3 murders in a little over an hour. Having an affair, removing his wife's name from a deed to their house AND...the extra Insurance policies he purchased at the end of 2008.
Orange piece of twin with a noose tied and glove with red paint found on the side of the route he took back and forth to the gym. Exact same orange twine used to tie 4 bails of hay found in his back yard.

This making a wonderful dinner for the family the night before. Hmmmmm, drugged?



Premeditated!!:ohmy:
jmo

I always suspected that their might be a new insurance policy and or a large one, is their a link to that info? Don't go hunting just if you have it handy. As far as the drugged at dinner I could be wrong but somehow I don't think so, he surly was not that stupid to not know it would show up in testing.

[sunstar]

I always suspected that their might be a new insurance policy and or a large one, is their a link to that info? Don't go hunting just if you have it handy. As far as the drugged at dinner I could be wrong but somehow I don't think so, he surly was not that stupid to not know it would show up in testing.

I don't think they were drugged either. There were too many hours between dinner and the murders and drugging them would tie the crimes right back to him when he was trying to pass the blame off onto the person sending the threats. MOO

[Ice Cycle]

No link yet about dinner and a drug. Just going off of hearsay from the posts I read about it. That's why we are waiting for the toxicology report and I put JMO.
However, (side note) This guy was an accident waiting to happen with all the dumb stuff he did in order to attempt to pull this off. UGH!
Glad he's in custody!
jmo

No actually I meant a link to the life insurance policy taken out in late 2008. If you don't that's ok, it is just that I have always thought this was about $$.

[Amy]

I always suspected that their might be a new insurance policy and or a large one, is their a link to that info? Don't go hunting just if you have it handy. As far as the drugged at dinner I could be wrong but somehow I don't think so, he surly was not that stupid to not know it would show up in testing.

Was the post on whatever site made by the friend that Sheri allegedly called, or was it a friend of that friend who posted that info? TIA

I also hadn't read "official" information about the insurance, like, when it was purchased, and was a like amount taken on him? And, was there insurance on the boys, and if so, was that also new in December?

[Mamie]

Yes...a very heartwarming story. Two of Diane Downs children survived. Her son was left a paraplegic - he too was adopted by the prosecutor and his wife. I believe both children have graduated college.

Re the Coleman murders...I'm very interested to hear what the toxicology reports will say. On another board there was talk that Sheri had called a friend that night and said that for the first time in their marriage, Chris had cooked dinner that night, so the speculation was that he possibly drugged Sheri and the kids.

You are so right, Kip, I remember that in the movie, showing the litte boy in his wheelchair and that both he and his oldest sister had been adopted by the prosecutor and his wife. What a story. Farrah Fawcett did an excellent job in that movie. JMO

[bkwits]

I read/heard that Joyce Meyers got the lawyer for Coleman. I doubt that she is footing the bill though. I'm sure those guys are really expensive. They are supposed to be one the best, maybe the best, criminal defense firms, in St. Louis Metro area. His dad is probably paying.

IMO

[Musterion]

I wonder how close Coleman and his father were. I wonder if Colemans father knew he was having an affair with Tara.
It wouldn't be something surprising. A lot of children have a close relationship with their parent. Just because his father was part of the church means nothing. A lot of them have affairs.:sneaky:
jmo

Hi Dianna!

This is curious, relating to what you've said:

"Christopher Coleman's father, the Rev. Ronald Coleman, told an investigator that Lintz was a "good friend" of Sheri Coleman."

http://www.bnd.com/179/story/788300.html

Ronald Coleman, in some way, had to have known about Tara Lintz.

But, how much?

Would be interesting to know how he knew Tara's name, or knew Tara was a good friend to Sheri.

Maybe it was just a name he remembered hearing. Did LE bring the name up to him? Or did he bring the name up to LE?

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

http://www.topix.com/city/st-petersburg-fl/2009/05/he-was-planning-to-marry-tara-lintz-in-florida-before-his-family-was-killed-search-warrants-state

Former Florida posts: "Does anyone realize that Tara Lintz, as of this month was STILL living with her ex-husband in a condo they both bought after their divorce only a year ago??? Anyone read that? That's nuts! What a freeloading whack job."

Does anyone have information whether this is fact or not?

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

IIRC, LE brought the name up to Ronald. Ronald knew right away about Tara and what her position was with Sheri/family.:rolleyes:
jmo

I'd really like to see the link to that.

Not that I doubt you, Dianna, but the media can put a spin on things. The media seems to allude that Ron Coleman spontaneously offered up Tara's name.

IMO.
M.

[Amy]

http://www.topix.com/city/st-petersburg-fl/2009/05/he-was-planning-to-marry-tara-lintz-in-florida-before-his-family-was-killed-search-warrants-state

Former Florida posts: "Does anyone realize that Tara Lintz, as of this month was STILL living with her ex-husband in a condo they both bought after their divorce only a year ago??? Anyone read that? That's nuts! What a freeloading whack job."

Does anyone have information whether this is fact or not?

IMO.
M.

The information I read when her information was formally reported on (as opposed to message board posts) was that she was divorced in 2004, I think. Could have been married in 2004, tho, but I don't recall the divorce was just last year. And she got the condo and one vehicle and a certain amount of debt, and he got another vehicle and a certain amount of debt. That report didn't say anything about them both living in the same condo, and I do think that would have been "reportable" info, if the reporter knew it.

I'll try to go back and see if I can find that article.

[Amy]

The information I read when her information was formally reported on (as opposed to message board posts) was that she was divorced in 2004, I think. Could have been married in 2004, tho, but I don't recall the divorce was just last year. And she got the condo and one vehicle and a certain amount of debt, and he got another vehicle and a certain amount of debt. That report didn't say anything about them both living in the same condo, and I do think that would have been "reportable" info, if the reporter knew it.

I'll try to go back and see if I can find that article.

WHoa!!!! Well, one thing I did get right was they were divorced in 2004. And some about the property distribution. This is the article.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/38C8A2705592CEA2862575C6000E2F8E?OpenDocument

[Kip]

Was the post on whatever site made by the friend that Sheri allegedly called, or was it a friend of that friend who posted that info? TIA

I also hadn't read "official" information about the insurance, like, when it was purchased, and was a like amount taken on him? And, was there insurance on the boys, and if so, was that also new in December?

It was a friend of a friend who made that post. There were a couple of friends and several neighbors who posted. The neighbors were upset when CC and parents came to remove Sheri's things. CC through a memorial to Sheri and the boys was in the front yard in the trash. His parents stood by and watched.

I haven't read anything about life insurance on the boys.

[Kip]

I read/heard that Joyce Meyers got the lawyer for Coleman. I doubt that she is footing the bill though. I'm sure those guys are really expensive. They are supposed to be one the best, maybe the best, criminal defense firms, in St. Louis Metro area. His dad is probably paying.

IMO

JM did get the lawyer for CC -- and I believe was paying for him. That was in the first couple of days though. Once it appeared CC killed his family and CC was fired, I believe JM was no longer paying for the lawyer.

I agree -- his dad is probably paying now.

[Kip]

http://www.topix.com/city/st-petersburg-fl/2009/05/he-was-planning-to-marry-tara-lintz-in-florida-before-his-family-was-killed-search-warrants-state

Former Florida posts: "Does anyone realize that Tara Lintz, as of this month was STILL living with her ex-husband in a condo they both bought after their divorce only a year ago??? Anyone read that? That's nuts! What a freeloading whack job."

Does anyone have information whether this is fact or not?

IMO.
M.

Yikes! I hadn't heard that. Tara and her ex did buy a condo together after the divorce - I saw the links to the documents for that. But I just figured they were still friendly and one or the other of them helped the other to buy the condo. What an odd situation.

[WhiteShark]

I agree with you. This Coleman snapped when he began to sleep with Tara in my opinion............snipped for space......What I don't know and wonder about is if Coleman was originally planning to murder his children. Was that also premeditated.:confused:
JMO

ITA--------but as we all have learned, premeditation can be accomplished in a couple of seconds........
IMO, the second he walked out of the bedroom after killing Sheri, and made that turn to walk down the hall to the first son's room, he became a monster! There was absolutely no reason whatsoever for him to have killed his children. He could have killed her and then been still cared for his sons as he dallied about with Tara.

I have thought the only reason he killed the boys, is to make the murder really look like a "madman" or totally "crazy" person committed them.
I have wondered if he contemplated the possibility of being caught, and if he was caught he would have "built" into this case a claim of insanity.
Don't mis-understand me, he is not crazy, just totally evil.....

The other thing I wanted to say is that while Tara is guilty of being the "other" woman and was screwing around with CC, I think she was "duped" or at the very least lied to by CC as well. I really don't think she doubted anything CC told her. I think she believed the divorce would be final 6/14 and her and CC would marry while raising the boys together.

I have read that since the murders, she has met with Sheri's family as well as LE and will be a witness for the state--bingo bango. Apparently she will do whatever it takes to convict him now. The only problem with that, is that a defense lawyer will try to protray her testimony as a "woman scorned"--------
Fortunately for LE and the state, CC was to dumb or to arrogant to think he would ever have to cover his involvement in this nightmare, as proven by his free wheeling use of electronics--cell phones and computers. Besides the physical evidence, the communication evidence will make him bubba's girlfriend pretty quickly.........

[Kip]

[snipped]...
I have thought the only reason he killed the boys, is to make the murder really look like a "madman" or totally "crazy" person committed them.
I have wondered if he contemplated the possibility of being caught, and if he was caught he would have "built" into this case a claim of insanity.
Don't mis-understand me, he is not crazy, just totally evil.....

I think he was probably planning to kill at least Sheri (setting up the threatening letters, buying the spray paint, etc), but wasn't planning to do it that night.

I think something happened that night -- possibly Sheri overheard hiim talking to Tara on the phone or discovered emails to her -- something happened where he couldn't let Sheri talk to anyone about it, or his motive would be obvious if she later turned up dead.

If he had planned to murder Sheri and/or his sons that night, he would have done it just before leaving for the gym. That way the TOD would fit in with his scenario. I think he killed Sheri and then spent a couple of hours trying to figure out how to cover his tracks -- only he wasn't thinking too clearly and made lots of mistakes.

I'm undecided as to whether killing his children was part of the original plan (a la Christopher Vaughn), where he just wanted to be free of his entire family to start over -- or if, as you said, he killed his sons to make it look like a crazed killer -- or if one of his sons saw his mother killed, or saw her dead when CC was there, and his sons had to be eliminated as witnesses.

[Musterion]

I think he was probably planning to kill at least Sheri (setting up the threatening letters, buying the spray paint, etc), but wasn't planning to do it that night.

I think something happened that night -- possibly Sheri overheard hiim talking to Tara on the phone or discovered emails to her -- something happened where he couldn't let Sheri talk to anyone about it, or his motive would be obvious if she later turned up dead.

If he had planned to murder Sheri and/or his sons that night, he would have done it just before leaving for the gym. That way the TOD would fit in with his scenario. I think he killed Sheri and then spent a couple of hours trying to figure out how to cover his tracks -- only he wasn't thinking too clearly and made lots of mistakes.

I'm undecided as to whether killing his children was part of the original plan (a la Christopher Vaughn), where he just wanted to be free of his entire family to start over -- or if, as you said, he killed his sons to make it look like a crazed killer -- or if one of his sons saw his mother killed, or saw her dead when CC was there, and his sons had to be eliminated as witnesses.

(Bolding Mine)

Hi Kip,

This is one of the reasons that I believe the plan always included murdering the boys.

2 January 2009, mailed to the Coleman's address:

"(Expletive)! Deny your God publicly or else! No more opportunities. Time is running out for you and your family. Have a good time in India (expletive)!" (Bolding Mine)

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

ITA--------but as we all have learned, premeditation can be accomplished in a couple of seconds........
IMO, the second he walked out of the bedroom after killing Sheri, and made that turn to walk down the hall to the first son's room, he became a monster! There was absolutely no reason whatsoever for him to have killed his children. He could have killed her and then been still cared for his sons as he dallied about with Tara.

I have thought the only reason he killed the boys, is to make the murder really look like a "madman" or totally "crazy" person committed them.
I have wondered if he contemplated the possibility of being caught, and if he was caught he would have "built" into this case a claim of insanity.
Don't mis-understand me, he is not crazy, just totally evil.....

The other thing I wanted to say is that while Tara is guilty of being the "other" woman and was screwing around with CC, I think she was "duped" or at the very least lied to by CC as well. I really don't think she doubted anything CC told her. I think she believed the divorce would be final 6/14 and her and CC would marry while raising the boys together.

I have read that since the murders, she has met with Sheri's family as well as LE and will be a witness for the state--bingo bango. Apparently she will do whatever it takes to convict him now. The only problem with that, is that a defense lawyer will try to protray her testimony as a "woman scorned"--------
Fortunately for LE and the state, CC was to dumb or to arrogant to think he would ever have to cover his involvement in this nightmare, as proven by his free wheeling use of electronics--cell phones and computers. Besides the physical evidence, the communication evidence will make him bubba's girlfriend pretty quickly.........

(Bolding Mine)

Hi WhiteShark,

It will be interesting to know how close Sheri and Tara were.

Sheri's cousin, Attorney Enrico Mirabelli said on Nancy Grace:

"ENRICO J. MIRABELLI, COUSIN OF MURDER VICTIM SHERI COLEMAN, FAMILY SPOKESPERSON: She had never complained about any infidelity. She had not complained about any verbal or physical abuse to any of the family members. Surprised is one emotion. Betrayal is another emotion because my aunt or my cousin, they know this young lady.
She went to high school with Sheri. So it`s not some random girl he met off the Internet. This was a friend of the family, a friend of their daughter`s, their sister`s. So they felt betrayed and they`re upset.
But they were stunned to read Nick`s story. Nick called me and gave me the heads up. The story was coming out. I called my aunt. She was very, very surprised. Because Sheri had never complained to her family members about this. I don`t even know if Sheri knew."

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:MpUf-3-R1EAJ:www.primewriter.com/blog/%3Fp%3D2251+mirabelli+said+tara+close+family+frien d&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

(Bolding Mine)

"Christopher Coleman's father, the Rev. Ronald Coleman, told an investigator that Lintz was a "good friend" of Sheri Coleman."

http://www.bnd.com/100/story/788300.html

(Bolding Mine)

What we know is that even Sheri's father in-law knew that Tara was a good friend of Sheri's. Not just an acquaintance. Not someone she used to go to school with. Not someone she used to be close to.

The sexual affair began in November of 2008, according to Lintz.

I think Tara is not naive. I think it is possible that she had regular contact with Sheri up until the murders. It might be feasible to believe that Tara heard Sheri speaking of her marriage and family. Maybe even about the camping trip and ball game the whole family had the weekend before the murders.

All the while sending ""explicit communication" with Christopher Coleman by using her Blackberry, which can transport instant images, and her Facebook account." to her good friend's husband.

http://www.bnd.com/100/story/788300.html

JMO. But, maybe Tara would like to have people believe she was duped. From what I see it is highly probable that she knew the whole story of the Coleman's life. From both sides, Sheri and Chris. Up until the very end. Did she know Chris was the 'stalker'? Maybe. Did she know that Chris was going to kill his family, if he did kill them? Maybe.

Who approached who about starting a sexual affair? Tara or Chris? IMO, that in and of itself may fill in some blanks.

All JMO.
M.

[sunstar]

(Bolding Mine)

Hi Kip,

This is one of the reasons that I believe the plan always included murdering the boys.

2 January 2009, mailed to the Coleman's address:

"(Expletive)! Deny your God publicly or else! No more opportunities. Time is running out for you and your family. Have a good time in India (expletive)!" (Bolding Mine)

IMO.
M.

Hi M! :smile: That mail definitely shows premeditation. And to think he'd just gone on an outing with the family the previous weekend and fixed everyone dinner the night before. Talk about sleeping with the enemy!! :angry: MOO

[Kip]

(Bolding Mine)

Hi Kip,

This is one of the reasons that I believe the plan always included murdering the boys.

2 January 2009, mailed to the Coleman's address:

"(Expletive)! Deny your God publicly or else! No more opportunities. Time is running out for you and your family. Have a good time in India (expletive)!" (Bolding Mine)

IMO.
M.

Hey Musterion ... you're probably right. I just can't get my head around it when a parent murders their child/children for money or just to get them out of the way. It's awful to contemplate the murder of anyone, but with your children, you've looked into their faces thousands of times and caught glimpses of your grandparents, your parents, your siblings, yourself. You've imagined your children at various future milestones in their lives - graduating from high school, getting married. You've seen them look at you with complete and unconditional love.

At some kind of primal level I can even kind of understand the no-one-can-have-them-if-I-can't overwhelming drive that seems to overtake some people and propel them into killing their children. But to coldly plan the execution of your children to free you from your responsibilities...those people are true monsters.

Regards,
Kip

[bkwits]

Hey Musterion ... you're probably right. I just can't get my head around it when a parent murders their child/children for money or just to get them out of the way. It's awful to contemplate the murder of anyone, but with your children, you've looked into their faces thousands of times and caught glimpses of your grandparents, your parents, your siblings, yourself. You've imagined your children at various future milestones in their lives - graduating from high school, getting married. You've seen them look at you with complete and unconditional love.

At some kind of primal level I can even kind of understand the no-one-can-have-them-if-I-can't overwhelming drive that seems to overtake some people and propel them into killing their children. But to coldly plan the execution of your children to free you from your responsibilities...those people are true monsters.

Regards,
Kip

I agree. Coleman could probably have been mostly free of his responsibilities by divorcing Sheri. His boys were 11 and 9, so he would have had to only pay child support for nine more years. He is only 32 now. So, instead having the limited responsibility of being an absentee father for less than 10 years, he will most likely spend the rest of his life in prison.

IMO

[Kip]

[snipped]

"Christopher Coleman's father, the Rev. Ronald Coleman, told an investigator that Lintz was a "good friend" of Sheri Coleman."

http://www.bnd.com/100/story/788300.html

(Bolding Mine)

What we know is that even Sheri's father in-law knew that Tara was a good friend of Sheri's. Not just an acquaintance. Not someone she used to go to school with. Not someone she used to be close to.
... [snipped].

It's possible that Sheri's father-in-law only thought Tara was a good friend of Sheri's because that's what Chris told him. I haven't read of any other signs that Sheri and Tara were good friends - no one else in the family seemed to know that. But it ought to be easy enough to tell if they regularly exchanged phone calls or emails.

Edited to add: I'm not positive about this, but I think I recall reading that Tara was added to Sheri's facebook page right around the time of the murders (I can't remember if it was just before or just after).

[Musterion]

Hey Musterion ... you're probably right. I just can't get my head around it when a parent murders their child/children for money or just to get them out of the way. It's awful to contemplate the murder of anyone, but with your children, you've looked into their faces thousands of times and caught glimpses of your grandparents, your parents, your siblings, yourself. You've imagined your children at various future milestones in their lives - graduating from high school, getting married. You've seen them look at you with complete and unconditional love.

At some kind of primal level I can even kind of understand the no-one-can-have-them-if-I-can't overwhelming drive that seems to overtake some people and propel them into killing their children. But to coldly plan the execution of your children to free you from your responsibilities...those people are true monsters.

Regards,
Kip

That's really said beautifully, Kip. And, I agree.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Hi M! :smile: That mail definitely shows premeditation. And to think he'd just gone on an outing with the family the previous weekend and fixed everyone dinner the night before. Talk about sleeping with the enemy!! :angry: MOO

Hi sunstar!

Very true. Enemy.

The most vulnerable persons are sleeping ones. Especially persons that are children.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

It's possible that Sheri's father-in-law only thought Tara was a good friend of Sheri's because that's what Chris told him. I haven't read of any other signs that Sheri and Tara were good friends - no one else in the family seemed to know that. But it ought to be easy enough to tell if they regularly exchanged phone calls or emails.

Edited to add: I'm not positive about this, but I think I recall reading that Tara was added to Sheri's facebook page right around the time of the murders (I can't remember if it was just before or just after).

Thinking about what you're saying and I'm wondering in what context Chris would have told his father about Tara. After the murders? Confessed his affair to his father? Why would Chris tell his father that Tara was a good friend.

What I've read, and I could be wrong in my understanding, it did sound that Tara and Sheri were still friends and that her family knew Tara in the present, not just past.

IIRC, (and I don't always!) it was stated that Tara was on Sheri's Facebook page and vice versa, but no mention of how long. I'll have to research that a bit, Kip!

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Comments page.

http://thedirty.com/2009/01/05/would_you3f_-213/comment-page-1/#comment-1160099

IMO.
M.

[WhiteShark]

And you actually think this adulterous hussy would know what the RIGHT thing to do in a situation like this one? IMO, her judgment is seriously impaired and ,further, I think any employer in this case would grant an extended leave of absence to an employee with this baggage attached to her. Ooops! I forgot they probably wouldn't know right from wrong at a bar at a dog track either! JMOO

Hey..........I resent that. I worked at a dog track in a state neat here, and I certainly know right from wrong. THat brush stroke was just a little to broad and a little to mean. :cursing:
CC lied to this woman just as he was lying to his wife. She has acknowledged what she did as wrong, and has met face to face with Sheri's family, and apologized. She also has probably cooked CC's proverbial goose with all the communication and physical evidence she turned over to LE, along with her statements and upcoming testimony. She did a very bad thing, but she is trying to make it right. She is not the killer hear, and she wasn't married..........he was. As far as I have been able to read, she was under the impression he was seperated and the divorce would have been final June 14. That an adultress does not make.

[WhiteShark]

Musterion re: your post #96:

excellent points!!!

I would like to know just how close Sheri and her were as well. I would also like to know what Tara knew exactly and when she knew it. LE must be satisfied she didn't know about the murders at least as of now. I am just not ready to condemn her yet. Sheri's family hasn't, they only voiced earlier on how hurt they were about the affair and nothing much since. That speaks volumes about what a class act Sheri's family is.

I think that when daddy coleman learned the truth about the affair, and having heard his son deny committing the murders---he thought or decided to point the finger toward Tara and/or her ex-husband as a possible suspect/suspects. JMO.

I just keep going back to CC's divorce plan. If Tara believed the divorce was to be final 6/14, and their wedding was in the works for 1/10....she had to believe or think the Coleman's were seperated in some form or fashion. Perhaps CC used the economy to excuse why he and Sheri were still living together. ( Hubby and I have a "friend couple" who are both living in their house, although their divorce will be final in August, because it is cheaper for both of them, there is a child involved and they can't sell the house yet)

I don't know, I just know I was impressed that she met face to face with Sheri's family. They must have wanted to maim her, and she must have scared & ashamed beyond belief.(as she should have felt)

[darcie]

Well....today is the day!

Chris Coleman hearing set for today

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

Chris Coleman will appear in court this morning for a preliminary hearing that could expose more evidence in the case.
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Hope they are right. As much as as I hate a case being tried in the Meedia.....I am still nosey!!:laugh:


It will be another tough day for Sheri's family. One of many to come. May they somehow find the strength to endure, and I hope they realize GOD is on their side.

Justice for Sherr, Gavin and Garett. May their voices be heard.

[Ontario]

[It will be another tough day for Sheri's family. One of many to come. May they somehow find the strength to endure, and I hope they realize GOD is on their side.

Justice for Sherr, Gavin and Garett. May their voices be heard.[/QUOTE]

I hope (1) of yu will tell us what happened< I am sure that he will plead Not Guilty, that is a no brainer, but I want to know how his parents seemed, do they accept the fact that he did this now, and try to get him to plead guilty, as they must know that his girlfriend is going to say a lot of things, that they were not aware of till just recently, or do they want all the dirty landry coming out for the public, and then the info being re-hashed over and over again??

Please let us know.

Thanks my friends from across the boarder!!

[dgfred]

Well....today is the day!

Chris Coleman hearing set for today

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

Chris Coleman will appear in court this morning for a preliminary hearing that could expose more evidence in the case.
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Hope they are right. As much as as I hate a case being tried in the Meedia.....I am still nosey!!:laugh:


It will be another tough day for Sheri's family. One of many to come. May they somehow find the strength to endure, and I hope they realize GOD is on their side.

Justice for Sherr, Gavin and Garett. May their voices be heard.

Please oh please hit us with some new evidence! :drool:

[Ice Cycle]

Good Day All,
I take it their is not a live feed for this hearing today. Is this hearing closed to the media?

[Kip]

Good Day All,
I take it their is not a live feed for this hearing today. Is this hearing closed to the media?

I don't think it's closed to the media. Anyone know what time it's supposed to be?

[Kip]

Thinking about what you're saying and I'm wondering in what context Chris would have told his father about Tara. After the murders? Confessed his affair to his father? Why would Chris tell his father that Tara was a good friend.

What I've read, and I could be wrong in my understanding, it did sound that Tara and Sheri were still friends and that her family knew Tara in the present, not just past.

IIRC, (and I don't always!) it was stated that Tara was on Sheri's Facebook page and vice versa, but no mention of how long. I'll have to research that a bit, Kip!

IMO.
M.

Not sure what it means, but:

• Sheri Coleman's friends told police that she recently closed her Facebook account because she received threats possibly related to death threats she had received at her residence.

"Sheri also reported to friends that there were unauthorized changes to her Facebook account without her knowledge," the records stated.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:FlxXnlEbUvgJ:www.bnd.com/372/story/788300.html+sheri+coleman+facebook+account+closed&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

One reason I don't see Tara and Sheri being good friends is that Tara apparently believed Chris and Sheri were divorcing. If Tara had been in any kind of contact at all with Sheri (or other mutual friends) -- surely she would have expected Sheri or other friends to mention that Sheri and Chris's marriage was breaking up.

And, yeah, I suspect Chris told his father about Tara after the murders. CC knew it would come out about his call to Tara the morning of the murders and IMO he was trying to get Tara portrayed in the role of Sheri's friend, hoping stupidly that their relationship wouldn't come out.

[Ontario]

I just found this update which is pretty interesting and it is from today's hearing.

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov-st-louis-news-090610-coleman-court.67c6cbd8.html

The fact that he miss spelled the same word in his written spray paint message on the walls and on his computer is rather interesting to say the least, I do think the man has cooked his own goose!!

[Musterion]

Musterion re: your post #96:

excellent points!!!

I would like to know just how close Sheri and her were as well. I would also like to know what Tara knew exactly and when she knew it. LE must be satisfied she didn't know about the murders at least as of now. I am just not ready to condemn her yet. Sheri's family hasn't, they only voiced earlier on how hurt they were about the affair and nothing much since. That speaks volumes about what a class act Sheri's family is.

I think that when daddy coleman learned the truth about the affair, and having heard his son deny committing the murders---he thought or decided to point the finger toward Tara and/or her ex-husband as a possible suspect/suspects. JMO.

I just keep going back to CC's divorce plan. If Tara believed the divorce was to be final 6/14, and their wedding was in the works for 1/10....she had to believe or think the Coleman's were seperated in some form or fashion. Perhaps CC used the economy to excuse why he and Sheri were still living together. ( Hubby and I have a "friend couple" who are both living in their house, although their divorce will be final in August, because it is cheaper for both of them, there is a child involved and they can't sell the house yet)

I don't know, I just know I was impressed that she met face to face with Sheri's family. They must have wanted to maim her, and she must have scared & ashamed beyond belief.(as she should have felt)

Hi WhiteShark,

I, actually, have a lot of empathy for Tara. Some don't, though, and I understand that. I know what it is like to be condemned and judged publicly, lied about, in court. And, have no recourse, no chance to explain your side. My compassion for Tara is for those reasons.

You know, I have not been able to find the article you're referencing about a face to face that Tara had with the family. I'd really like to read that if you remember where it is.

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

I just found this update which is pretty interesting and it is from today's hearing.

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov-st-louis-news-090610-coleman-court.67c6cbd8.html

The fact that he miss spelled the same word in his written spray paint message on the walls and on his computer is rather interesting to say the least, I do think the man has cooked his own goose!!

TY for the link, enough to make your blood turn cold.

(snipped for space)

During his testimony, Edwards revealed that not only were there spray painted messages on the walls of the Coleman home, but there were also spray painted messages on Gavin Coleman's bed sheets. Edwards said that investigators were unable to determine what the messages said.

[darcie]

Camera's aren't allowed in Illinois courtrooms.....but here is a Post Dispatch Update.

Chris Coleman ordered to stand trial in family's murders
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

*snipped*
Testimony at the preliminary hearing in Waterloo revealed that Coleman told a girlfriend in Florida that he planned to tell his wife Sheri the next day that he would seek a divorce from her. Instead, Sheri, 31, and their sons were found strangled in their beds the next morning, May 5.

The Joyce Meyer Ministries, where Christopher Coleman was emplyed as security manager, had a "no-divorce" policy, according to the single witness in the hearing, the Columbia, Ill., police chief, Joe Edwards.

Also revealed was that the killer of the boys Garett, 11, and Gavin, 9, had spray-painted obscenities on the sheets on the beds where they lay.
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Ok, so either he DID tell Sheri about the divorce, and things got ugly quick...OR..he had no intentions of telling her, he just killed her and the family so he could continue working at JM? That in itself doesn't really make sense because of the g/f living in Florida, unless there would be some kind of work with JM that could take place there?

I can't even *go there* to why the spray painting on the sheets of his children. This guy better cop a plea, things aren't looking good for him right now.

MOO

[darcie]

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov-st-louis-news-090610-coleman-court.67c6cbd8.html

*snipped from the kmov article*

Edwards also that a key piece of evidence in this case was a misspelled word. The word "opportunity" was misspelled in the threats that Coleman said his family received and it was misspelled in other documents said to be authored by Coleman that were found on Coleman's computer.
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Wow, wow wow----

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*snipped*

Edwards said that a medical expert believes that Sheri Coleman and the two boys died sometime between 11:00 p.m. and 3:00 a.m. That would mean that they were already dead when Chris Coleman left his home and arrived at Gold's Gym.



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Wow, wow wow again....

[darcie]

http://www.bnd.com/

Pathologist reports Christopher Coleman's family died hours before he left for the gym

*snipped*

Edwards also testified that the first alleged threat to the Coleman family that had been reported by Christopher Coleman came to the laptop computer he used in his former job as a security supervisor for Joyce Meyer Ministries. Other threats, apparently directed at Coleman or his family, were delivered to the family's mailbox at their home on Robert Drive in Columbia.
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and

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Also discovered as evidence by police searching the Interstate 255 median was a "face plate" to a Digital Video Recorder that was the one Coleman said he placed at his home. The DVR was missing from the house when police investigated, Edwards said on the stand.


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I don't think it will matter how top notch his lawyer is...this guy is going to need more than a lawyer.

[Musterion]

Camera's aren't allowed in Illinois courtrooms.....but here is a Post Dispatch Update.

Chris Coleman ordered to stand trial in family's murders
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

*snipped*
Testimony at the preliminary hearing in Waterloo revealed that Coleman told a girlfriend in Florida that he planned to tell his wife Sheri the next day that he would seek a divorce from her. Instead, Sheri, 31, and their sons were found strangled in their beds the next morning, May 5.

The Joyce Meyer Ministries, where Christopher Coleman was emplyed as security manager, had a "no-divorce" policy, according to the single witness in the hearing, the Columbia, Ill., police chief, Joe Edwards.

Also revealed was that the killer of the boys Garett, 11, and Gavin, 9, had spray-painted obscenities on the sheets on the beds where they lay.
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Ok, so either he DID tell Sheri about the divorce, and things got ugly quick...OR..he had no intentions of telling her, he just killed her and the family so he could continue working at JM? That in itself doesn't really make sense because of the g/f living in Florida, unless there would be some kind of work with JM that could take place there?

I can't even *go there* to why the spray painting on the sheets of his children. This guy better cop a plea, things aren't looking good for him right now.

MOO

Hi darcie,

I'm so appalled about the spray painting on the sheets of his little boy that I can barely read anything else.

I just don't feel that Chris was going to keep working at JMM. It still seems, to me, that he was setting things up to hold Joyce Meyer accountable for his family having been slain by someone who had a vendetta against her.

I may be wrong, but I feel that he was hoping to get a lump of money from Joyce Meyer in a wrongful death suit, settling out of court. And he would start his life over with that money.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

"Coleman denies that he was having an affair but says that he and the Florida woman used language that his wife wouldn't appreciate."

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov-st-louis-news-090610-coleman-court.67c6cbd8.html

Interesting. It was reported that he had told investigators about his affair. Now, he is said he denied the affair. Hm.

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

(Snipped for space)

The Joyce Meyer Ministries, where Christopher Coleman was emplyed as security manager, had a "no-divorce" policy, according to the single witness in the hearing, the Columbia, Ill., police chief, Joe Edwards.

MOO[/quote]

What century is this?

[darcie]

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-chriscolemanprelimhearing-061009,0,4699172.story

Prosecutors Say Evidence Against Coleman Overwhelming In Family's Murder
Prosecutors say girlfriend of Coleman was in St. Louis looking for a house

--Police Chief Joe Edwards went on the record saying Joyce Meyers confirmed no employee can be divorced. When they asked Chris Coleman what can investigators do to find the killer, he said "i don't know, check my surveillance video." The recorder was missing and unplugged and was discovered lying in the westbound lanes of I-255.

Prosecutors revealed Coleman's purported girlfriend was in St. Louis. The two were looking for houses and a job for her here. Prosecutors talked with the woman and she said Chris Coleman told her he was going to file for divorce on May 5th. However, there was no evidence that he ever tried to file for divorce.

[Musterion]

http://www.bnd.com/

Pathologist reports Christopher Coleman's family died hours before he left for the gym

*snipped*

Edwards also testified that the first alleged threat to the Coleman family that had been reported by Christopher Coleman came to the laptop computer he used in his former job as a security supervisor for Joyce Meyer Ministries. Other threats, apparently directed at Coleman or his family, were delivered to the family's mailbox at their home on Robert Drive in Columbia.
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and

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Also discovered as evidence by police searching the Interstate 255 median was a "face plate" to a Digital Video Recorder that was the one Coleman said he placed at his home. The DVR was missing from the house when police investigated, Edwards said on the stand.


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I don't think it will matter how top notch his lawyer is...this guy is going to need more than a lawyer.

(Bolding Mine)

Died between eleven pm and three a.m., hours before he left for the gym.

What time did he talk to Tara that night/morning? Do we have that information?

IMO.
M.

[darcie]

(Snipped for space)

The Joyce Meyer Ministries, where Christopher Coleman was emplyed as security manager, had a "no-divorce" policy, according to the single witness in the hearing, the Columbia, Ill., police chief, Joe Edwards.

MOO

What century is this?[/QUOTE]

It is kinda odd, but I suppose that if a contract is signed as per employment, it's a no-no. I assume that each employee is aware of this before accepting a position.

[Amy]

Not sure what it means, but:

• Sheri Coleman's friends told police that she recently closed her Facebook account because she received threats possibly related to death threats she had received at her residence.

"Sheri also reported to friends that there were unauthorized changes to her Facebook account without her knowledge," the records stated.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:FlxXnlEbUvgJ:www.bnd.com/372/story/788300.html+sheri+coleman+facebook+account+closed&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

One reason I don't see Tara and Sheri being good friends is that Tara apparently believed Chris and Sheri were divorcing. If Tara had been in any kind of contact at all with Sheri (or other mutual friends) -- surely she would have expected Sheri or other friends to mention that Sheri and Chris's marriage was breaking up.

And, yeah, I suspect Chris told his father about Tara after the murders. CC knew it would come out about his call to Tara the morning of the murders and IMO he was trying to get Tara portrayed in the role of Sheri's friend, hoping stupidly that their relationship wouldn't come out.

From what I heard and read about the relationship (other than the stuff from posters) it seems that possibly Sheri's family and Tara's family were friends whilst they lived in FL. And, it seems there was a pic w/Tara and one of the boys when he was small--either a time Sheri visited her dad, or perhaps still lived in FL? I never really got the impression Sheri and Tara were BFF even in high school. So, perhaps the relationship since Sheri's family had moved, the relationship was more like letters or emails, Christmas and birthday cards, etc. An old family friendship, but not necessarily a close one?

[Musterion]

(Snipped for space)

The Joyce Meyer Ministries, where Christopher Coleman was emplyed as security manager, had a "no-divorce" policy, according to the single witness in the hearing, the Columbia, Ill., police chief, Joe Edwards.

MOO

What century is this?[/QUOTE]

Joyce herself was divorced.

I'd like to see the context of what the policy is written in. Surely the context does not suggest a man or woman, working for JMM, stay in a situation where they are abused, cheated on or abandoned.

She divorced because her first husband was cheating on her and had abandoned her.

IMO.
M.

[Kip]

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-chriscolemanprelimhearing-061009,0,4699172.story
[snipped]...
Prosecutors revealed Coleman's purported girlfriend was in St. Louis. The two were looking for houses and a job for her here. Prosecutors talked with the woman and she said Chris Coleman told her he was going to file for divorce on May 5th. However, there was no evidence that he ever tried to file for divorce.

Wow! I had no idea she was in St. Louis.

[Musterion]

From what I heard and read about the relationship (other than the stuff from posters) it seems that possibly Sheri's family and Tara's family were friends whilst they lived in FL. And, it seems there was a pic w/Tara and one of the boys when he was small--either a time Sheri visited her dad, or perhaps still lived in FL? I never really got the impression Sheri and Tara were BFF even in high school. So, perhaps the relationship since Sheri's family had moved, the relationship was more like letters or emails, Christmas and birthday cards, etc. An old family friendship, but not necessarily a close one?

Hi Amy!

That could be very true.

How Chris and Tara got to know each other would shed a lot of light on many details in this case. It must have been through Sheri, but when? Why did the affair become sexual last November, instead of before, years before even.

More questions.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Wow! I had no idea she was in St. Louis.

I can't find when she was there, though, can anyone?

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

(Snipped for space)

The Joyce Meyer Ministries, where Christopher Coleman was emplyed as security manager, had a "no-divorce" policy, according to the single witness in the hearing, the Columbia, Ill., police chief, Joe Edwards.

The single witness, wonder if that means single witness from JMM or only one witness there altogether, if so who was it that testified that he planned to tell Sherri the next day about other girl, as it says someone testified to that?

[Amy]

Camera's aren't allowed in Illinois courtrooms.....but here is a Post Dispatch Update.

Chris Coleman ordered to stand trial in family's murders
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

*snipped*
Testimony at the preliminary hearing in Waterloo revealed that Coleman told a girlfriend in Florida that he planned to tell his wife Sheri the next day that he would seek a divorce from her. Instead, Sheri, 31, and their sons were found strangled in their beds the next morning, May 5.

The Joyce Meyer Ministries, where Christopher Coleman was emplyed as security manager, had a "no-divorce" policy, according to the single witness in the hearing, the Columbia, Ill., police chief, Joe Edwards.

Also revealed was that the killer of the boys Garett, 11, and Gavin, 9, had spray-painted obscenities on the sheets on the beds where they lay.
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Ok, so either he DID tell Sheri about the divorce, and things got ugly quick...OR..he had no intentions of telling her, he just killed her and the family so he could continue working at JM? That in itself doesn't really make sense because of the g/f living in Florida, unless there would be some kind of work with JM that could take place there?

I can't even *go there* to why the spray painting on the sheets of his children. This guy better cop a plea, things aren't looking good for him right now.

MOO

The gf said she was planning on moving to St Louis and looking for work there.

I wonder if SHE knew about the no-divorce policy @ JMM? Evidently not, or else she figured he also was going to be looking for different employement, also.

[darcie]

Hi darcie,

I'm so appalled about the spray painting on the sheets of his little boy that I can barely read anything else.

I just don't feel that Chris was going to keep working at JMM. It still seems, to me, that he was setting things up to hold Joyce Meyer accountable for his family having been slain by someone who had a vendetta against her.

I may be wrong, but I feel that he was hoping to get a lump of money from Joyce Meyer in a wrongful death suit, settling out of court. And he would start his life over with that money.

IMO.
M.

Hi M!

I, too, can't get over the spray painting on the beds! That was enough to do me in. You have some realllly good points about JM Ministries, and how they could play a role in this. At this point I have no clue what to think. CC sure made some major mistakes. One of the last links I posted, the Fox News one, states that one of the threatening letters was composed on a computer issued to him from JM.


*snipped*

In addition, police investigators discovered the first threat sent to the family came from Chris Coleman's laptop issued by Joyce Meyer Ministries and the message was also traced to Chris Coleman's air card for his computer..
http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-chriscolemanprelimhearing-061009,0,4699172.story

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[Amy]

Hi darcie,

I'm so appalled about the spray painting on the sheets of his little boy that I can barely read anything else.

I just don't feel that Chris was going to keep working at JMM. It still seems, to me, that he was setting things up to hold Joyce Meyer accountable for his family having been slain by someone who had a vendetta against her.

I may be wrong, but I feel that he was hoping to get a lump of money from Joyce Meyer in a wrongful death suit, settling out of court. And he would start his life over with that money.

IMO.
M.

Or, there was that insurance policy.

[Ice Cycle]

What century is this?

Joyce herself was divorced.

I'd like to see the context of what the policy is written in. Surely the context does not suggest a man or woman, working for JMM, stay in a situation where they are abused, cheated on or abandoned.

She divorced because her first husband was cheating on her and had abandoned her.

IMO.
M.[/quote]

Well and of course that would be even more ridiculous. Don't want to be too judgmental hear because I have never seen her program but the only time I have ever heard of that personal of a requirement in this day and time is in a (and I hate to say the word) c---t. If that is true.

[Amy]

(Bolding Mine)

Died between eleven pm and three a.m., hours before he left for the gym.

What time did he talk to Tara that night/morning? Do we have that information?

IMO.
M.

In the first couple of days, there was a neighbor who said s/he (can't remember who) a loud argument was heard coming from the Coleman home about 3am. That would fit. Maybe an argument ended in a murder. Maybe the boys weren't going to be murdered--but I would suppose some loud arguing might have awakened them, and that sealed their fate?

Perhaps this wasn't the time he planned for Sheri to be murdered, but the argument moved the date up?

Perhaps he would have quietly strangled her, and left the boys alone, except they were awakened by the fight?

Guess we'll never know. Even if he does confess to anything, will he confess to all, or even be truthful in his confession?

[darcie]

Ice Cycle ann M~~ I searched the Joyce Myers website, and of course didn't see anything pertaining to employment *conditions* posted.

Here is the link, maybe someone else sees something?

http://www.joycemeyer.org/

[Amy]

Hi Amy!

That could be very true.

How Chris and Tara got to know each other would shed a lot of light on many details in this case. It must have been through Sheri, but when? Why did the affair become sexual last November, instead of before, years before even.

More questions.

IMO.
M.

There was that pic w/whichever boy when he was a wee one with Tara. So, I would guess Tara and CC met during whatever time they were there? I don't know if Sheri's family was still there, or even where Sheri and CC lived @ the time.

I dunno--maybe they came across each other on mySpace or facebook and he mentioned when he would be in FL w/JMM? Or, maybe he was just bar hopping or dog racing @ sometime when he was there w/JMM and ran across her whilst she was @ work. JMM has a policy against divorce, wonder if there would be one against drinking? Well, I would imagine, if this goes to trial (as opposed to possibly getting a plea, as some have suggested would be wise,) we just might find out all about it.

[Amy]

(Snipped for space)

The Joyce Meyer Ministries, where Christopher Coleman was emplyed as security manager, had a "no-divorce" policy, according to the single witness in the hearing, the Columbia, Ill., police chief, Joe Edwards.

The single witness, wonder if that means single witness from JMM or only one witness there altogether, if so who was it that testified that he planned to tell Sherri the next day about other girl, as it says someone testified to that?

I took it to read that there was one witness, the police chief. Perhaps he just read the list of evidence they had discovered, which would include the interviews with the gf and others. IMO.

[darcie]

The nonprofit organization is dedicated to providing humanitarian aid worldwide and spreading biblical principles to those in need. Though employees are of different denominations, they have a common belief structure that is outlined in the organization's statement of faith, said Sue Boyd, human resources manager. That belief structure keeps the environment positive and spiritual, she said.

For instance, once a week members of each department come together to pray for half an hour on company time. Boyd said these group prayer sessions help keep the organization's 600 local employees from feeling distant from one another. "We pray for each other as a group, and that helps keep us really close."

In addition, employees attend monthly hourlong chapel services on the campus with founder and President Joyce Meyer. Chief Information Officer Robert Sanabria said the dynamic employee-only chapel services help him see how ingrained he is in a ministry that is helping millions of people all over the globe.


*snipped from the following link*

http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2007/04/16/focus11.html

[Amy]

I can't find when she was there, though, can anyone?

IMO.
M.

Maybe St Louis is where they first contacted her? Maybe, flew to FL and she wasn't there?

I wonder exactly when LE found out about Tara? It had to have pretty much been right away, some time before posters became aware of it. I don't think she would have been in StL say, a week or so later to be looking for homes, she would already have heard of the murders, and all the speculation whirling around about them (just had to listen to the news to hear all that.)

It would be interesting to know if she was in FL when she received the call from CC, or if she was in StL? Bet LE already knows that, and surely that will come out in trial, too. If they don't release any more tidbits of info before that.

[darcie]

Another update:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

*snipped*

He said the girlfriend had provided Coleman with a cell phone that was not accessible to the ministry or his wife. Also, Coleman held a credit card jointly with his wife and girlfriend, according to Edwards, who did not explain it further.
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Jointly with his wife AND girlfriend? He sure is one lucky dude Sheri didn't kill him!. I can't imagine what this guy was thinking!

[Ice Cycle]

Another update:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

*snipped*

He said the girlfriend had provided Coleman with a cell phone that was not accessible to the ministry or his wife. Also, Coleman held a credit card jointly with his wife and girlfriend, according to Edwards, who did not explain it further.
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Jointly with his wife AND girlfriend? He sure is one lucky dude Sheri didn't kill him!. I can't imagine what this guy was thinking!

Sherri would have access to know who all was on the cc unless it was in his name alone and they were both just listed as users. Or possible they co-signed for her or vise versa.

[Ontario]

Camera's aren't allowed in Illinois courtrooms.....but here is a Post Dispatch Update.

Chris Coleman ordered to stand trial in family's murders
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

*snipped*
Testimony at the preliminary hearing in Waterloo revealed that Coleman told a girlfriend in Florida that he planned to tell his wife Sheri the next day that he would seek a divorce from her. Instead, Sheri, 31, and their sons were found strangled in their beds the next morning, May 5.

The Joyce Meyer Ministries, where Christopher Coleman was emplyed as security manager, had a "no-divorce" policy, according to the single witness in the hearing, the Columbia, Ill., police chief, Joe Edwards.

Also revealed was that the killer of the boys Garett, 11, and Gavin, 9, had spray-painted obscenities on the sheets on the beds where they lay.
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Ok, so either he DID tell Sheri about the divorce, and things got ugly quick...OR..he had no intentions of telling her, he just killed her and the family so he could continue working at JM? That in itself doesn't really make sense because of the g/f living in Florida, unless there would be some kind of work with JM that could take place there?

I can't even *go there* to why the spray painting on the sheets of his children. This guy better cop a plea, things aren't looking good for him right now.

MOO

No only that but and this is according to the police report today that we know now, he lied to them about having an affair with his girlfriend, he said that he had not been intimate with her, and she proved to them that they had, I do not know how, but they believe her, and so do I so he has made an enemy of her, so that is why she has told them everything about them, so she did wrong, but he is such a scammer, I am trying to find out info on his parents reaction to this, I do hope they see the light of day!!

[Amy]

Another update:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

*snipped*

He said the girlfriend had provided Coleman with a cell phone that was not accessible to the ministry or his wife. Also, Coleman held a credit card jointly with his wife and girlfriend, according to Edwards, who did not explain it further.
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Jointly with his wife AND girlfriend? He sure is one lucky dude Sheri didn't kill him!. I can't imagine what this guy was thinking!

I wonder if that should read a credit card jointly w/his wife and a credit card jointly w/his gf? I can't imagine EITHER woman being "okay" with one that he would have jointly w/both of them.

[Kip]

I wonder if that should read a credit card jointly w/his wife and a credit card jointly w/his gf? I can't imagine EITHER woman being "okay" with one that he would have jointly w/both of them.

Perhaps the bill was sent to CC's work address so neither woman ever saw the bill.

[Musterion]

I wonder if that should read a credit card jointly w/his wife and a credit card jointly w/his gf? I can't imagine EITHER woman being "okay" with one that he would have jointly w/both of them.

Hi Amy!

That is how I read it. One card with wife. One card with girlfriend.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

In the first couple of days, there was a neighbor who said s/he (can't remember who) a loud argument was heard coming from the Coleman home about 3am. That would fit. Maybe an argument ended in a murder. Maybe the boys weren't going to be murdered--but I would suppose some loud arguing might have awakened them, and that sealed their fate?

Perhaps this wasn't the time he planned for Sheri to be murdered, but the argument moved the date up?

Perhaps he would have quietly strangled her, and left the boys alone, except they were awakened by the fight?

Guess we'll never know. Even if he does confess to anything, will he confess to all, or even be truthful in his confession?

Reading the article: http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-chriscolemanprelimhearing-061009,0,4699172.story

"Prosecutors talked with the woman and she said Chris Coleman told her he was going to file for divorce on May 5th."

(Bolding Mine)

Makes me believe it is likely that he knew he was going to murder the whole family on the day that he, as it appears, did murder them.

I do think, if it is accurate about the screaming at three a.m., it is possible that Sheri woke up while her assailant was preparing to strangle her. And fought him.

The threats were directed at his whole family, beginning in January. I believe that it meant the children as well. And, I believe he felt the children had to be eliminated to make the loss so great that when he blamed JMM for a wrongful death lawsuit, he might gain more financially. In his mind (IMO) they all had to die.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Another update:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

*snipped*

He said the girlfriend had provided Coleman with a cell phone that was not accessible to the ministry or his wife. Also, Coleman held a credit card jointly with his wife and girlfriend, according to Edwards, who did not explain it further.
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Jointly with his wife AND girlfriend? He sure is one lucky dude Sheri didn't kill him!. I can't imagine what this guy was thinking!

Tara provided Coleman with a cell phone.

Not Coleman provided Tara with a cell phone.

It makes me wonder how and when she thought that Sheri would find out about their affair. She seemed to be in the planning of Sheri not knowing.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Ice Cycle ann M~~ I searched the Joyce Myers website, and of course didn't see anything pertaining to employment *conditions* posted.

Here is the link, maybe someone else sees something?

http://www.joycemeyer.org/

Hi darcie,

I haven't been able to find that policy regarding employment conditions. I'll keep looking as well.

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

Ice Cycle ann M~~ I searched the Joyce Myers website, and of course didn't see anything pertaining to employment *conditions* posted.

Here is the link, maybe someone else sees something?

http://www.joycemeyer.org/

TY for looking, that requirement just sounds so ridiculous to me. Not that I am that much on divorce either way but it is a personal matter and as I said the one's that I have heard that "require" that are not on the up and up.

[Ice Cycle]

I took it to read that there was one witness, the police chief. Perhaps he just read the list of evidence they had discovered, which would include the interviews with the gf and others. IMO.

Your probably right, one mystery cleared up.

[darcie]

Hi Amy!

That is how I read it. One card with wife. One card with girlfriend.

IMO.
M.

Thanks for clearing that up for me! I was thinking..what the heck???:glare:

Edited to add~~ I am at work, so just did a quick run through on all of the reports, but there seems to be some inconsistencies on the reporting. Hope they get that all cleared up, and we know what is what.

Ooops...the Post Dispatch did an update, and cleared some things up.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

[Ice Cycle]

Sherri would have access to know who all was on the cc unless it was in his name alone and they were both just listed as users. Or possible they co-signed for her or vise versa.

Quoting my own post- the reason I thought that might be a possibility is due to him having the house in his name alone. Of course I am not sure they even do it that way anymore, know they used to as worked for a cc company years ago.

[MiamiNice1]

I can't get over the spray painting on the sheets either! Boy, do they have him boxed in - handwriting anaylsis and computer evidence!


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/10/illinois.murder.trial/index.html

"A handwriting expert testified at the Monroe County courthouse that profanity-laced messages scrawled in red spray paint throughout the house match Coleman's handwriting, Edwards said. Spray-painted messages were also found on Gavin's bed sheets, he said.

Threatening letters left in the family's mailbox and an e-mail allegedly sent to Coleman before the killings were traced back to the suspect's laptop, he said."

[Ontario]

I was just wondering after reading everything here and on the News Channels, his parents are paying for these (2) very good lawyers, I wonder if they will try to talk him into plea barg... as this will cost them a lot of money, and maybe some of his Father's follower's will not like the fact that the money that they paid towards the church, his salary, etc is going for that, any ideas??

Just wondering, because the people that attend his church is where the church get's its funds from correct? They support him and his wife, his house car, etc....

[MiamiNice1]

I was just wondering after reading everything here and on the News Channels, his parents are paying for these (2) very good lawyers, I wonder if they will try to talk him into plea barg... as this will cost them a lot of money, and maybe some of his Father's follower's will not like the fact that the money that they paid towards the church, his salary, etc is going for that, any ideas??

Just wondering, because the people that attend his church is where the church get's its funds from correct? They support him and his wife, his house car, etc....

This is what I have hoped for from the beginning - that the parents will somehow get CC to confess. From the looks of things, his defense will be a waste of time.

Timeline, handwriting and computer....are just a FEW of the things that are nailing CC.

Hope his family will do the right thing for the sake of their murdered grandsons, the church they serve and their state.

[sunstar]

Hi everybody! Nancy Grace is talking about the murders tonight. She's already mentioned that the threats came from CC's laptop, the obscene messages spray painted on the kids' beds :scared: and CC saying he'd be fired if he got a divorce.

[sunstar]

I can't get over the spray painting on the sheets either! Boy, do they have him boxed in - handwriting anaylsis and computer evidence!


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/10/illinois.murder.trial/index.html

"A handwriting expert testified at the Monroe County courthouse that profanity-laced messages scrawled in red spray paint throughout the house match Coleman's handwriting, Edwards said. Spray-painted messages were also found on Gavin's bed sheets, he said.

Threatening letters left in the family's mailbox and an e-mail allegedly sent to Coleman before the killings were traced back to the suspect's laptop, he said."
(bolding mine)

I'm just now finding out about this ~ totally unbelievable! And Dr. Baden is going to testify that the TOD is between 11pm-3am. :scared:

[bkwits]

Another update:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

*snipped*

He said the girlfriend had provided Coleman with a cell phone that was not accessible to the ministry or his wife. Also, Coleman held a credit card jointly with his wife and girlfriend, according to Edwards, who did not explain it further.
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Jointly with his wife AND girlfriend? He sure is one lucky dude Sheri didn't kill him!. I can't imagine what this guy was thinking!


He appears to be dumb as a pile of rocks.....sent the threatening email from his work supplied laptop.

[sunstar]

He appears to be dumb as a pile of rocks.....sent the threatening email from his work supplied laptop.

I can't imagine him following this "not guilty" route and what the defense attorneys would have to try to argue to try to explain this mountain of evidence against him. Each time something new is released, the worse it gets! MOO

[darcie]

This case just leaves me shaking my head. He has two notable attornies, but it seems they aren't on the death qualified list for Illinois. I am sure that it won't take much to *get* on the list. I dunno, but it seems like death penalities in Illinois haven't gone well for awhile. I figure CC will plea....to something on down the line. If not, he has one long uphill battle.


http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

*snipped*
Coleman has pleaded not guilty of the charges and today waived his right under Illinois law to a speedy trial.

--and

Anticipating the possibility of a capital trial, Circuit Judge Dennis Doyle asked Coleman if he wanted to keep his defense lawyers, father-son team Art and
William Margulis, who are not on Illinois' list of death case-qualified attorneys. Coleman indicated he wants to keep them, and Doyle said it might
require permission from the Illinois State Supreme Court.

After the hearing, the Margulises told reporters they'd begun the process of requesting a waiver from the state Supreme Court. “We've tried many capital cases,” Art Margulis said.
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But this just sickens me:

Also revealed in the hearing was that the killer of boys Garett , 11, and Gavin, 9, had spray-painted obscenities on sheets covering the boys, on the beds where they lay -- and that the family had been dead too long to match Coleman's account of the events.

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On sheet COVERING the boys?
What in the world is his family thinking now. And her family. I just can't imagine. Then a girlfriend in the middle of it all...I bet CC doesn't sleep well at night. Or maybe I should say, I hope he doesn't sleep well.

You deserved so much better Sheri, Gavin and Garrett.



:crying:

[girlspell]

(Snipped for space)

The Joyce Meyer Ministries, where Christopher Coleman was emplyed as security manager, had a "no-divorce" policy, according to the single witness in the hearing, the Columbia, Ill., police chief, Joe Edwards.

MOO

What century is this?[/QUOTE]

Yeah..better dead then divorced. How Christian of them...I wonder how well Joyce Myer sleeps.

[FallenAngel♥]

What century is this?

Yeah..better dead then divorced. How Christian of them...I wonder how well Joyce Myer sleeps.[/QUOTE]

wow how can you twist this to blame Joyce Myers?
why didn't he just quit his job and get a divorce and move on with his life?

[Musterion]

I've seen this "wrongful death" thing several times. What am I missing? Suing JMM for wrongful death? How? Based on what? I can't get that reasoning.....

Hi Stormy,

It is not fact. It is just conjecture. My conjecture.

A business/ministry might be held liable, for the death of an employee, or in this case, an employees' family.

The threats received by the Coleman family seemed to suggest that Chris Coleman would 'pay' for working for Joyce Meyer Ministries.

It would seem likely that Chris Coleman made those threats known to the Ministry.

If the Ministry knew and did not provide for the added safety of the employee and his family, they may be liable for the deaths of Sheri and Gavin and Garret.

May or may not.

But, it seems, IMO, that that may have been where Chris was headed with his claims of being threatened because of his employment with JMM.

That and, perhaps, counting on an out of court settlement because of his close relationship with Joyce Meyer.

All JMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Yeah..better dead then divorced. How Christian of them...I wonder how well Joyce Myer sleeps.

wow how can you twist this to blame Joyce Myers?
why didn't he just quit his job and get a divorce and move on with his life?[/QUOTE]

Hi FallenAngel,

IMO, Joyce Meyer is more than likely grief stricken. This is a man that she knew extremely well. Valued and trusted. She knew his father and gave Chris this job, from news reports, because of that relationship.

Whatever policy Joyce Meyer has in her ministry does not, in any way, IMO, make Joyce Meyer culpable.

Those are her policies for her business/ministry. She is legally permitted to make those policies. Whether I agree with them or not.

The culpability lies strictly with the person who committed the crime.

IMO.
M.

[doctor_J]

Anyone know if the "3 am sceaming" came out in court today or if that's still rumor?

Sure looks like thay have this guy dead to rights. I'm thinking insanity is his only hope. Something along the lines of PTSD used for other veterans that have returned from war and murdered someone. The whole "combat stress flashback" syndrome. Wonder if he actually saw combat? I read he was a Marine but wonder if he is a Gulf War or Iraq/Afghanistan vet? Even if they try something really creative, it's not likely to fly, with the good folks of Illinois.

[MiamiNice1]

(bolding mine)

I'm just now finding out about this ~ totally unbelievable! And Dr. Baden is going to testify that the TOD is between 11pm-3am. :scared:
Hi sunstar!

I, too, was stunned at the TOD - 11pm-3am. The guy is nailed.

As far as the sick spray-painting - how did this guy fly under the radar for so long?! How could nobody see such a monster coming?

You cannot even say he is crazy, due to the amount of planning, set-up and cover-up involved in this. Mind you, it wasn't intelligent planning or set-up - but he had the wherewithall to plan this whole thing out.

How could such a depraved character fester unnoticed for so long???

[MiamiNice1]

Anyone know if the "3 am sceaming" came out in court today or if that's still rumor?

Sure looks like thay have this guy dead to rights. I'm thinking insanity is his only hope. Something along the lines of PTSD used for other veterans that have returned from war and murdered someone. The whole "combat stress flashback" syndrome. Wonder if he actually saw combat? I read he was a Marine but wonder if he is a Gulf War or Iraq/Afghanistan vet? Even if they try something really creative, it's not likely to fly, with the good folks of Illinois.
Oh! I just said something to the effect that they cannot claim insanity due to his planning, in my post above, before I saw your post.

I do think you're right about their going the PTSD route - it's the only way out for him (not that he'll get off for this). Maybe this is the only explanation for such a horrific act.

[taylor63]

Chris Coleman has to be one of the most evil people I have ever heard of in my life.

[taylor63]

This is from Foxnews. While the victim's brother said he wanted to vomit during the testimony. Coleman's family and members of his father's church were seen in courtroom today frequently smiling and laughing. Smiling and laughing hearing the gruesome details about their daughter in law and little grandson's murders, and how their own son may very well have been involved? Honestly,I don't mean to sound judgemental, but those people's behaviour right from the start of this horrific tragedy has been,sorry no other way to put downright obscene.

[doctor_J]

You have to think that a man who was a Marine MP and served as head of security for a very large ministry had to have had a lot of pcychology oversight through the years. I'm with the above poster in wondering how this freak managed to fly under the radar for so long. Even now, Sherri's family spokesperson says they never got a hint from Sherri and doubted that Sherri even knew anything was wrong. Wow. Be easier to understand, and less frightening, if he turned out to have a brain tumor or psychiatric disease, but sorry, this in not in the manuel.

[doctor_J]

After watching NG tonight, and hearing about the threatening email (with CC's usual mispelling of the word opportunity) being sent from CC's laptop (premeditation), and Baden's time of death hours before CC left the house testimony, added to the the rest of the evidence, I agree with the defense attorneys that the only defense now can be an insanity defense, which they also agreed would not succeed because of the months of planning, starting with the threats. I hope that the 15 CC supporters who showed up at court today can convince CC to change his plea to Guilty and throw himself on the mercy of the court. Otherwise, CC's family and their ministry will be subjected to a long trial, which will prove day after day after day what a fiend they raised...

Ha! He couldn't be bothered with Spellcheck. Those pesty misspellings will give you away every time, especially if you repeat them. Gotcha.

[darcie]

Morning everyone!

I guess we know how this woman feels. LOL Actually, I am surprised they even let her in the courtroom.:scared:


*snipped*
The small courtroom in Waterloo was packed with nearly 50 reporters and onlookers — among them a woman in a black T-shirt depicting an electric chair and the message, "I saved you a seat."

and, CC? Well, he just isn't very smart to say the least

*snipped*
Coleman told a police chaplain at the murder scene that he did not know how he got an abrasion on his arm, but shortly thereafter punched an ambulance gurney and told his father that was how he got hurt.

and, then this:

Some of Sheri Coleman's relatives from the Chicago area attended the hearing. "We view this as another step in the long road to the conviction of Chris Coleman," said Enrico J. Mirabelli, her cousin.


Bless them.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/70DB7BD94D4BAE84862575D20012B7CF?OpenDocument

[anais2005]

Wonder if there is conflict in TOD between pathologist who did the autopsies and Dr Baden,

I am not too pleased to hear Baden is on the case, he can be bought by the highest bidder imo and will testify about any case as long as he is being well paid, I expect he had more integrity before he became famous, but now he pops up on TV alll the time with his opinion on any case whenever he is asked

I hope there is nothing about TOD that the defence can exploit, but to go looking for a so called "expert" opinion sounds like the TOD is an issue,

I hope now he is arrested and they have other evidence which appears pretty solid the TOD won't be such an issue

[jewel6]

This guys only hope is to try and save his life. a plea deal for life. Hes toast. What a dummy. jmo :scared:

[KittyMom]

What an idiot! This guy is all but asking for the death penalty. I just hope his family didn't "see" who was choking the life out of them.

[darcie]

http://community.fox2now.com/_Chris-Coleman-hearing-details/blog/343509/96301.html

An interesting read from an *insider* at the courtoom.

I'm at work and skimmmmmmed through it quickly, but this jumped out at me.

[Front two rows: Coleman's family and friends. I counted 15 total. Many who are members of Ron Coleman's 'Grace Church' in Chester, IL). Dad was usually smiling, even laughing. Friends and church members also smiled and laughed frequently before the hearing. On the left side sat Sheri Coleman's family, who were all very somber and silent.]

I wonder what the atmosphere was like AFTER the hearing???

[WhiteShark]

Hi WhiteShark,

I, actually, have a lot of empathy for Tara. Some don't, though, and I understand that. I know what it is like to be condemned and judged publicly, lied about, in court. And, have no recourse, no chance to explain your side. My compassion for Tara is for those reasons.

You know, I have not been able to find the article you're referencing about a face to face that Tara had with the family. I'd really like to read that if you remember where it is.

IMO.
M.

Thanks, we are thinking alike re: Tara.

I actually heard about the meeting in a video from one of the news agencies on the computer. I was on my Moms computer and saved it (I hope :unsure:) When I get there next week I will post it, meanwhile I will try and remember.

[bkwits]

Ha! He couldn't be bothered with Spellcheck. Those pesty misspellings will give you away every time,
especially if you repeat them. Gotcha.

I wondered how he spelled OPPORTUNITY? I know my spelling would give me away. In words ending in L, I tend to double the L when adding ing. Eg. Travel ,,travelling. It just looks better to me. A friend, retired English teacher says I've been hanging around the Brits too much. :huh:

[Nellie]

Morning everyone!
snipped to address this part...

and, CC? Well, he just isn't very smart to say the least

*snipped*
Coleman told a police chaplain at the murder scene that he did not know how he got an abrasion on his arm, but shortly thereafter punched an ambulance gurney and told his father that was how he got hurt.

[http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/70DB7BD94D4BAE84862575D20012B7CF?OpenDocument

It was an "UH OH" moment! He may not have even noticed the scratch himself (he had other things on his mind). So, then it was like "UH OH, better go scratch up my arm to explain this away" and then went hitting the guerney. I remember reading about his "little fit" in the yard when this story broke and smart posters said he might have been trying to scratch up his arm to explain any defensive wounds. I'd say that's what his "little fake fit" was all about. Smart posters!

This man is dumber than dumb!!!! How stupid can you be to send the threatening letters from a laptop you use! Why not just sign the letters with your name. Stupid, stupid, stupid...and I'm enjoying hearing how stupid he was/is! He's even stupid enough to go to trial instead of cop a plea!

[Nellie]

Oh! I just said something to the effect that they cannot claim insanity due to his planning, in my post above, before I saw your post.

I do think you're right about their going the PTSD route - it's the only way out for him (not that he'll get off for this). Maybe this is the only explanation for such a horrific act.


Insanity is out the window.
I think PTSD is out the window too.
Too much planning and the mistress on the side as a motive....
no wild tramatic war-zone flashbacks....just a girlfriend and desire to marry her....but his beautiful family was in his way. And darn, I can't divorce her...I'll lose my job! I guess JM needs to update her employee manual to say "no divorce or murder of family allowed" to remain employed here! I guess it was something she hadn't thought of before.
:scared:

[Nellie]

http://community.fox2now.com/_Chris-Coleman-hearing-details/blog/343509/96301.html

An interesting read from an *insider* at the courtoom.

I'm at work and skimmmmmmed through it quickly, but this jumped out at me.

[Front two rows: Coleman's family and friends. I counted 15 total. Many who are members of Ron Coleman's 'Grace Church' in Chester, IL). Dad was usually smiling, even laughing. Friends and church members also smiled and laughed frequently before the hearing. On the left side sat Sheri Coleman's family, who were all very somber and silent.]

I wonder what the atmosphere was like AFTER the hearing???

That was their "public happy faces" to show that they KNOW CC isn't guilty and they aren't worried at all. Based on what I've read, I haven't heard of any compassion from his family at all to Sheri's family. So, based on that, I could NOT attend such a church. I wonder if they even spoke to Sheri's family. They seem cold to me. And CC is definately one cold,evil, mean, stupid man. I'm glad he was so stupid. He even makes SP look smart!

[taylor63]

That was their "public happy faces" to show that they KNOW CC isn't guilty and they aren't worried at all. Based on what I've read, I haven't heard of any compassion from his family at all to Sheri's family. So, based on that, I could NOT attend such a church. I wonder if they even spoke to Sheri's family. They seem cold to me. And CC is definately one cold,evil, mean, stupid man. I'm glad he was so stupid. He even makes SP look smart!

I am a Christian and I could not attend that church either. Not because of what Chris Coleman did [from all the evidence it looks like he murdered],or may have murdered his wife and sons.
Parents can't be held responsible for what their adult children do. But their reactions thus far to the murders of their daughter in law and grandsons. And their total lack of compassion for Sherri's family.

Mr. Coleman is suppose to be the pastor of a church? I have visited his church's website at least several times since the tragedy happened, and I have not seen one thing on the church's website about the grief and sorrow these people feel, or should be feeling,not one prayer request for them, or Sherri's family. It's disagraceful, and there laughing in court the other day was nothing short of obscene in my opinion.

I am sorry but,in my opinion their actions and reactions, to this horrible tragedy have been the total anthesis of the way a true Christian would react.

That may have sounded judgemental to some,but if I had to sit in court and listen to how my little grandsons were strangled to death in their own beds,which were covered in red spray paint with obscenties and my own son was accused of the crime.

I think I would be out of my mind with grief. In fact,I don't even know if I would still be alive, I might have died from a brokenheart by now. I sure wouldn't be smiling and laughing for sure.

[bkwits]

I am a Christian and I could not attend that church either. Not because of what Chris Coleman did [from all the evidence it looks like he murdered],or may have murdered his wife and sons.
Parents can't be held responsible for what their adult children do. But their reactions thus far to the murders of their daughter in law and grandsons. And their total lack of compassion for Sherri's family.

Mr. Coleman is suppose to be the pastor of a church? I have visited his church's website at least several times since the tragedy happened, and I have not seen one thing on the church's website about the grief and sorrow these people feel, or should be feeling,not one prayer request for them, or Sherri's family. It's disagraceful, and there laughing in court the other day was nothing short of obscene in my opinion.

I am sorry but,in my opinion their actions and reactions, to this horrible tragedy have been the total anthesis of the way a true Christian would react.

That may have sounded judgemental to some,but if I had to sit in court and listen to how my little grandsons were strangled to death in their own beds,which were covered in red spray paint with obscenties and my own son was accused of the crime.

I think I would be out of my mind with grief. In fact,I don't even know if I would still be alive, I might have died from a brokenheart by now. I sure wouldn't be smiling and laughing for sure.


You know, I've held off on being critical of CC's parents, but this is too much. Their grandsons were brutally murdered, FGS (as well as their DIL). Their son is in jail accused of murdering them. Even if I were 100% sure that my son didn't do this, I would still be out of my mind with grief, like you say.

I read somewhere that the dad's church is raising money for CC's defense. I would never be a part of that money grubbing philosphy in the first place, but when they want me to give money to defend an accused murderer, I would be out of there fast. :chicken:

[bkwits]

That was their "public happy faces" to show that they KNOW CC isn't guilty and they aren't worried at all. Based on what I've read, I haven't heard of any compassion from his family at all to Sheri's family. So, based on that, I could NOT attend such a church. I wonder if they even spoke to Sheri's family. They seem cold to me. And CC is definately one cold,evil, mean, stupid man. I'm glad he was so stupid. He even makes SP look smart!

Yeah, CC makes his fellow Illinoisan, maybe future cellmate, DrewP, look like a genius.

IMO

[Kip]

You know, I've held off on being critical of CC's parents, but this is too much. Their grandsons were brutally murdered, FGS (as well as their DIL). Their son is in jail accused of murdering them. Even if I were 100% sure that my son didn't do this, I would still be out of my mind with grief, like you say. .... [snipped]

IMO, something is just "off" about CC's parents' reactions. If I were convinced my son was innocent, I wouldn't be laughing -- I'd be terrified that on top of losing my grandsons and daughter-in-law, that my son could very well be wrongly convicted.

[bkwits]

IMO, something is just "off" about CC's parents' reactions. If I were convinced my son was innocent, I wouldn't be laughing -- I'd be terrified that on top of losing my grandsons and daughter-in-law, that my son could very well be wrongly convicted.


ITA, if their demeanor is for public show, I would think they would be somber, in mourning, at least. I would just about die myself if my two grandsons were murdered. (Not to mention suspicion on my son).

I don't get it either. :confused:

IMO

[Nellie]

Yeah, CC makes his fellow Illinoisan, maybe future cellmate, DrewP, look like a genius.

IMO

You've got that right!
Maybe their defense can be that NO MAN could be THAT STUPID, so it MUST have been someone setting him up!

[darcie]

Just thought I would toss this link out there. I am 99% positive that there is where Tara works. Nothing much on there, but thought some might be interested.

MOO

http://www.derbylane.com/Aboutus.asp

[september]

Hi sunstar!

I, too, was stunned at the TOD - 11pm-3am. The guy is nailed.

As far as the sick spray-painting - how did this guy fly under the radar for so long?! How could nobody see such a monster coming?

You cannot even say he is crazy, due to the amount of planning, set-up and cover-up involved in this. Mind you, it wasn't intelligent planning or set-up - but he had the wherewithall to plan this whole thing out.

How could such a depraved character fester unnoticed for so long???

Miami I have the same thoughts. This is a monster. Why were there not some red flags? But you look at Scott Peterson and he had no history. Where does this kind of evil come from so suddenly? It's truly frightening.

[KittyMom]

You know, I've held off on being critical of CC's parents, but this is too much. Their grandsons were brutally murdered, FGS (as well as their DIL). Their son is in jail accused of murdering them. Even if I were 100% sure that my son didn't do this, I would still be out of my mind with grief, like you say.

I read somewhere that the dad's church is raising money for CC's defense. I would never be a part of that money grubbing philosphy in the first place, but when they want me to give money to defend an accused murderer, I would be out of there fast. :chicken:

Raising money for his defense??? Well, I hope that extends to all the extended family of church members. I'll bet someone in that church has a brother, child, or father that has faced a drug charge, DUI, speeding, or some other type criminal action. Do they pass the plate for Brother Ralph's sister's cousin? That is obscene. :angry:

CC's parents' actions (or should I say inactions) are shocking. They should've been in that courtroom with their hats in their hands offering profuse apologies to Sheri's family. They're showing just how much they care about Sheri and their grandsons with their actions.

[KittyMom]

Yeah, CC makes his fellow Illinoisan, maybe future cellmate, DrewP, look like a genius.

IMO

Now that is bad. :huh:

[bkwits]

Raising money for his defense??? Well, I hope that extends to all the extended family of church members. I'll bet someone in that church has a brother, child, or father that has faced a drug charge, DUI, speeding, or some other type criminal action. Do they pass the plate for Brother Ralph's sister's cousin? That is obscene. :angry:

CC's parents' actions (or should I say inactions) are shocking. They should've been in that courtroom with their hats in their hands offering profuse apologies to Sheri's family. They're showing just how much they care about Sheri and their grandsons with their actions.


Actually, that's not such a bad thing, in theory, at least. I know of at least one case, from my former hometown, Oak Park, IL, where the church raised money for a totally innocent man. LE framed him, I am ashamed to say. In that case, it was not the preacher's son, though. Just a nice young man, husband and dad, who was trying to be helpful to LE.

IL is known for wrongful convictions. I don't believe it will apply here though.

IMO

[bkwits]

Miami I have the same thoughts. This is a monster. Why were there not some red flags? But you look at Scott Peterson and he had no history. Where does this kind of evil come from so suddenly? It's truly frightening.

I don't have a psychology background but I have read that these monsters/sociopaths or psycopaths, do not necessarily show any red flags. There may be some cruelty to animals or other children, but sometimes they lead model lives not showing a great deal of emotion till they think they can get away with anything. They mimic behavior that is expected of them. May seem like the model husband and father, etc.

I wonder if Sheri was aware of problems but just didn't want to tell her family. It is very strange.

IMO

[Ice Cycle]

I don't have a psychology background but I have read that these monsters/sociopaths or psycopaths, do not necessarily show any red flags. There may be some cruelty to animals or other children, but sometimes they lead model lives not showing a great deal of emotion till they think they can get away with anything. They mimic behavior that is expected of them. May seem like the model husband and father, etc.

I wonder if Sheri was aware of problems but just didn't want to tell her family. It is very strange.

IMO

Yes that thought has occurred to me also, of course I don't think she would of thought anywhere to that extent let alone harm their children. But what is amazing to me is that somewhere I read where (link is a few pages back) that is was required that each JMM employee had to spend so much time daily in prayer meeting and a hour a month. Which means the day before he was in a prayer meeting. He should of changed his field to acting, he might of been more successful.

[Musterion]

I don't have a psychology background but I have read that these monsters/sociopaths or psycopaths, do not necessarily show any red flags. There may be some cruelty to animals or other children, but sometimes they lead model lives not showing a great deal of emotion till they think they can get away with anything. They mimic behavior that is expected of them. May seem like the model husband and father, etc.

I wonder if Sheri was aware of problems but just didn't want to tell her family. It is very strange.

IMO

"Chris Coleman told police in a lengthy interview after the murders that he and his wife had a good marriage, but encountered marital problems in 2008 and received marriage counseling, Edwards testified."

http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/story/803493.html

"GRACE: To Enrico Mirabelli, was there any indication of a rift within the marriage?

MIRABELLI: There was not. I specifically asked my aunt and Mario, who she`s very close with, as did the police officers. And she had never complained about any infidelity. She had not complained about any verbal or physical abuse to any of the family members. So by the time we read Nick`s story..."

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:P5z-ZI3OX30J:transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/19/ng.01.html+mirabelli+nancy+grace+interview&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

(Bolding Mine)

It seems there were problems in the marriage. And Sheri chose not to talk to her family about them. Possibly her friends, as well. Yet, they did attend marriage counseling.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Thanks, we are thinking alike re: Tara.

I actually heard about the meeting in a video from one of the news agencies on the computer. I was on my Moms computer and saved it (I hope :unsure:) When I get there next week I will post it, meanwhile I will try and remember.

No worries, WhiteShark! I'm doing some research and if I run across it, I'll post it.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

"The woman, Sheri Coleman, removed her name Oct. 6 from the deed of the house, located at 2854 Robert Drive, according to Monroe County recorder of deed's records. She signed before a notary. Whether the action was related to debt-managment was unavailable. Coleman and her husband, Chris Coleman, 32, led a church-based personal finance class from their home earlier this year."

http://www.thebadge.us/mcs/2009/05/police-revisit-columbia-triple-murder-scene-say-they-are-making-progress.html

(Bold Mine)

It 'sounds' like there was verification that Sheri, herself, signed these papers in front of a notary.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

The Coleman's pastor's website. The pastor's wife's website.

http://jimstern.com/

http://www.scrappinwithjess.blogspot.com/

IMO.
M.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

Hey..........I resent that. I worked at a dog track in a state neat here, and I certainly know right from wrong. THat brush stroke was just a little to broad and a little to mean. :cursing:
CC lied to this woman just as he was lying to his wife. She has acknowledged what she did as wrong, and has met face to face with Sheri's family, and apologized. She also has probably cooked CC's proverbial goose with all the communication and physical evidence she turned over to LE, along with her statements and upcoming testimony. She did a very bad thing, but she is trying to make it right. She is not the killer hear, and she wasn't married..........he was. As far as I have been able to read, she was under the impression he was seperated and the divorce would have been final June 14. That an adultress does not make.

Just curious here


1. What state near you has legal dog tracks?

2. How did you get the impressions that TL thought CC was separated and the divorce would have been final 6/14?

3. What exactly is an adultress in your book?

TL was Sheri's friend. She only knew Chris thru Sheri. It was merely "a very bad thing" that TL did? I will accept that explanation in this case if all can apply the same terminology the next time a cheating spouse is suspected of murdering their mate.

[darcie]

Some of you might be interested to see Chris Coleman in action at work, some might not. Just thought I would toss a link out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcoeECXBL7I&feature=related

[Ice Cycle]

Some of you might be interested to see Chris Coleman in action at work, some might not. Just thought I would toss a link out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcoeECXBL7I&feature=related

Good Day All,

The banner in the video says April 29th, do you know if that is 2009? If so that is less than a week before.

[Kip]

Good Day All,

The banner in the video says April 29th, do you know if that is 2009? If so that is less than a week before.

It was 2008.

[Nellie]

"The woman, Sheri Coleman, removed her name Oct. 6 from the deed of the house, located at 2854 Robert Drive, according to Monroe County recorder of deed's records. She signed before a notary. Whether the action was related to debt-managment was unavailable. Coleman and her husband, Chris Coleman, 32, led a church-based personal finance class from their home earlier this year."

http://www.thebadge.us/mcs/2009/05/police-revisit-columbia-triple-murder-scene-say-they-are-making-progress.html

(Bold Mine)

It 'sounds' like there was verification that Sheri, herself, signed these papers in front of a notary.

IMO.
M.

Musterion, I believe she did. Perhaps it was part of the Financial training class....man being the "head of household" thing. I know once we were involved in a church that strongly taught that the man should handle the money/bills and it made a mess out of the way we had been doing it our whole lives. So maybe this was what they were taught.....that Chris needed to be the "head" who handled the money and debt.

Another thought I had....I wonder if maybe they had some financial problems. Did Sheri have credit cards in her name that were behind and could have resulted in a lien on their house if sued. So, with her name off of it, the lien could not have been placed. I'm not sure I think this is the case.....I go more with the "man of household" theory.

The notary was probably a member of their church.

[Amy]

I don't have a psychology background but I have read that these monsters/sociopaths or psycopaths, do not necessarily show any red flags. There may be some cruelty to animals or other children, but sometimes they lead model lives not showing a great deal of emotion till they think they can get away with anything. They mimic behavior that is expected of them. May seem like the model husband and father, etc.

I wonder if Sheri was aware of problems but just didn't want to tell her family. It is very strange.

IMO

That was an issue in the Laci Peterson case. She was happy, she had a good (or close, depending on whom you are talking to) relationship w/her mom, she had gal pals she spent time w/and was close friends with, and not a one of them knew there was any problem in her marriage. Not a one of them knew about previous affairs, altho it seems that Laci DID know of them. @ the time, I remember posters who said they did NOT talk about problems w/family and friends, they did not want them to know the marriage and the man were not "perfect." In some cases @ least one family member did not like or approve of the spouse, and the poster(s) didn't want them to know they were right about what the spouse was really like.

So, IMO, it could very well be that Sheri knew there were problems (as evidenced by previous marriage counseling) that might not have been resolved, or even new ones, and still not confide in her family about it. Or, it could very well be that Sheri was blissfully raising her boys, keeping a home for her husband, and had no clue about what he was all about. IMO

[darcie]

Musterion, I believe she did. Perhaps it was part of the Financial training class....man being the "head of household" thing. I know once we were involved in a church that strongly taught that the man should handle the money/bills and it made a mess out of the way we had been doing it our whole lives. So maybe this was what they were taught.....that Chris needed to be the "head" who handled the money and debt.

Another thought I had....I wonder if maybe they had some financial problems. Did Sheri have credit cards in her name that were behind and could have resulted in a lien on their house if sued. So, with her name off of it, the lien could not have been placed. I'm not sure I think this is the case.....I go more with the "man of household" theory.

The notary was probably a member of their church.



Wow, interesting thoughts Nellie! Thanks for the input!

[Ice Cycle]

Some men or woman are in denial when they are having problems in the household. Especially since they were fairly religious. (Or so reported.) I believe Sheri was very spiritual along with the boys. Altho they sought Psychological/family counseling at one time Coleman made her believe everything was fine. Of course she knew nothing about this affair he was having and therefore she never shared any problems with her parents.
JMO

Well I have to say I have a real problem in believing the part about the no divorce clause in the JMM employment in this day and time.
I did read on another board (linked from hear) another poster who supposedly worked for JM said that she had previously worked for JM and said that was not true as she was divorce and new other there that were also. Of course don't know if that is true or not either and don't have the link. I suppose it will evidently come out if it is.

[R~O~S]

Just curious here


1. What state near you has legal dog tracks?

2. How did you get the impressions that TL thought CC was separated and the divorce would have been final 6/14?

3. What exactly is an adultress in your book?

TL was Sheri's friend. She only knew Chris thru Sheri. It was merely "a very bad thing" that TL did? I will accept that explanation in this case if all can apply the same terminology the next time a cheating spouse is suspected of murdering their mate.

FWIW: MA has two legal dog tracks which the residents voted to phase out by referendum just last year, 2008. The vote will put over 1000 long term employees out of work as of Jan 1, 2010 unless the legal challenges currently in the works are successful or they find some other way to keep them open via simulcasts coupled with slots.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/specials/ballot_questions/question3/

The tracks are still in operation today despite the vote. Dog racing is also alive an well in states across the country listed at the following link. When Taunton & Revere do close, MA residents will have to travel an entire hour to get to either RI or NH to get to a track.

http://ildado.com/dog_racing_tracks_usa.html

Were you truly questioning the posters truthfulness in stating they worked at a dog track?

Although I don't/haven't frequented a track often, they're common and accepted venues for office Christmas parties, retirement parties, bachelor parties etc, they're a fairly inexpensive night out for a couple, an adult venue for those who'd rather not have their dining interrupted by children. Since children aren't allowed at the track, it's a guarantee you won't find at just any restaurant.

Just addressing this one point as your post seems to indicate you believe these are uncommon when they're not, not by a long shot.

I believe the 6/14 date came from a police interview with Tara, she told them they were to be married in 2010 & they had a cruise planned for August but I couldn't fine that date used again in recent articles.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/0040C24F74D04EF7862575D1003B2944?OpenDocument

I'm not going to defend Tara, but I'm afraid your suggestion that association with a bar or a dog track instantly & automatically correlates to low moral fiber is ill informed.

[R~O~S]

That was an issue in the Laci Peterson case. She was happy, she had a good (or close, depending on whom you are talking to) relationship w/her mom, she had gal pals she spent time w/and was close friends with, and not a one of them knew there was any problem in her marriage. Not a one of them knew about previous affairs, altho it seems that Laci DID know of them. @ the time, I remember posters who said they did NOT talk about problems w/family and friends, they did not want them to know the marriage and the man were not "perfect." In some cases @ least one family member did not like or approve of the spouse, and the poster(s) didn't want them to know they were right about what the spouse was really like.

So, IMO, it could very well be that Sheri knew there were problems (as evidenced by previous marriage counseling) that might not have been resolved, or even new ones, and still not confide in her family about it. Or, it could very well be that Sheri was blissfully raising her boys, keeping a home for her husband, and had no clue about what he was all about. IMO

Do we know there was marriage counseling? Or do we just know that's what CC claimed when talking to LE?

I agree, I'd never complain to my family if I were having problems in my marriage unless the marriage was truly over. It would impact the way they treated my spouse. I can criticize him, nobody else can. lol

I might discuss a particular issue with my best friend, not my family. But then again, I've never had to deal with any real issues like infidelity or abuse either.

My sister let her ex beat the heck out of her for 20 years and never told, never gave a hint until the police had to remove him from the house and confiscate his guns. Even then she had to be told by DSS to choose between him and her kids. He never hurt the kids, she was willing to accept the beatings in exchange for that big house & manicured lawn even though he nearly killed her & the children were severely damaged by what they saw.

[Amy]

Well I have to say I have a real problem in believing the part about the no divorce clause in the JMM employment in this day and time.
I did read on another board (linked from hear) another poster who supposedly worked for JM said that she had previously worked for JM and said that was not true as she was divorce and new other there that were also. Of course don't know if that is true or not either and don't have the link. I suppose it will evidently come out if it is.

Plus, @ least one poster has said that JM is a divorcee herself. I haven't read a bio on her, but woud suppose it would be included in something like that.

Seems that, if one of her philosophies is to hire people who have been convicted of crimes, who appear thru JMM inquiries to have changed their lives around (and this being put out by JMM which can be found in the discussions about an RSO working for them) that she would be compassionate to people who divorced, especially if it involved physical or mental abuse.

I COULD see an immoral type of clause--where the employees should not involve themselves in such things as adultery, affairs, robbing banks, that kind of thing while they are in her employee. IMO

[Amy]

Do we know there was marriage counseling? Or do we just know that's what CC claimed when talking to LE?

I agree, I'd never complain to my family if I were having problems in my marriage unless the marriage was truly over. It would impact the way they treated my spouse. I can criticize him, nobody else can. lol

I might discuss a particular issue with my best friend, not my family. But then again, I've never had to deal with any real issues like infidelity or abuse either.

My sister let her ex beat the heck out of her for 20 years and never told, never gave a hint until the police had to remove him from the house and confiscate his guns. Even then she had to be told by DSS to choose between him and her kids. He never hurt the kids, she was willing to accept the beatings in exchange for that big house & manicured lawn even though he nearly killed her & the children were severely damaged by what they saw.

Pretty much what the other posters had said. if they talked about the problems to family/friends, likely the family and friends would take the poster's side, probably say some pretty bad things about the spouse, and if they ever got back together, all that baggage would be sitting between the (in these cases) woman and her family and friends.

Interesting, the part about he never hurt the kids. As we can see by the last line--that might be he didn't physically hurt the kids, but they have been victims of his behaviour toward their mother, and HAVE been "hurt" in a big way.

I have never been in that situation, but I just don't see staying around to be beat, or even verbally abuse. I hope I never have to find out what I woud do. I do have a couple of sisters who did get out of abusive relationships, but it took one 9 years, the other, just a couple.

[Nellie]

Well I have to say I have a real problem in believing the part about the no divorce clause in the JMM employment in this day and time.
I did read on another board (linked from hear) another poster who supposedly worked for JM said that she had previously worked for JM and said that was not true as she was divorce and new other there that were also. Of course don't know if that is true or not either and don't have the link. I suppose it will evidently come out if it is.

I honestly don't have a problem believing there was a "no divorce" clause in JMM employment. I've been in a church that would do everything they could to keep a couple together. Perhaps she hired already divorced people but a divorce was not allowed during their employment there, as God can do all things if you have enough faith. So, to divorce would mean you don't have enough faith that God could heal your marriage....and without "enough faith" you may not have enough faith to be involved in the ministry in any capacity. Now, if you were already divorced before your employment, that would just mean you were divorced back when you were a "sinner", but now that you are employed it could mean your faith should be strong enough to depend on God to heal your marriage. Do you get what I'm saying? I'm not speaking for JMM, but just saying a "no divorce" clause would not surprise me at all.

I have also seen "close followers" surround children of "certain ones" in the congregation and pray for no jail time for them, etc. I always cringed, as I thought a little jail time might be just the medicine they needed. Now it was always that "inner circle" that deserved this kind of prayer and support in the courtroom....not every member of the congregation was afforded this kind of support because....well....their kids were just "bad". LOL! Anyway, I guess what I am saying is I can see an "inner circle" of the church showing their support for CC.....but that does not mean everyone does.

[Ice Cycle]

Plus, @ least one poster has said that JM is a divorcee herself. I haven't read a bio on her, but woud suppose it would be included in something like that.

Seems that, if one of her philosophies is to hire people who have been convicted of crimes, who appear thru JMM inquiries to have changed their lives around (and this being put out by JMM which can be found in the discussions about an RSO working for them) that she would be compassionate to people who divorced, especially if it involved physical or mental abuse.

I COULD see an immoral type of clause--where the employees should not involve themselves in such things as adultery, affairs, robbing banks, that kind of thing while they are in her employee. IMO

Excuse my grammar in that post as I was in a hurry this morning and forgot to edit. Well illegal acts I can see and I think some employers do have a clause for that and I do know some churches promote against it and that is one thing but not as a employee as divorce is just too personal of a issue and is not unlawful.

[R~O~S]

Excuse my grammar in that post as I was in a hurry this morning and forgot to edit. Well illegal acts I can see and I think some employers do have a clause for that and I do know some churches promote against it and that is one thing but not as a employee as divorce is just too personal of a issue and is not unlawful.

I can't speak to this ministry, but my faith does not recognize divorce without a church sanctioned annulment. Anyone working for the church or church run schools can divorce, separate their lives from their spouse, but they cannot remarry.

If they did, they'd be asked to leave as part of the morals clause of their contract. The same would be true if they cohabitated. Perhaps that's more what the witness meant?


A church sanctioned annulment is of course nearly impossible to get, even abuse wouldn't suffice. My sister was told by her pastor that she had a nerve putting her spouse out of "his" home. Keep in mind it was the police who removed him and issued the temporary emergency restraining order when his last attack nearly killed her.

[Ice Cycle]

I can't speak to this ministry, but my faith does not recognize divorce without a church sanctioned annulment. Anyone working for the church or church run schools can divorce, separate their lives from their spouse, but they cannot remarry.

If they did, they'd be asked to leave as part of the morals clause of their contract. The same would be true if they cohabitated. Perhaps that's more what the witness meant?


A church sanctioned annulment is of course nearly impossible to get, even abuse wouldn't suffice. My sister was told by her pastor that she had a nerve putting her spouse out of "his" home. Keep in mind it was the police who removed him and issued the temporary emergency restraining order when his last attack nearly killed her.

Well thanks as I wasn't aware their were still religion's that did not recognize divorce or had those requirement's. My comment wasn't to criticize anyone's religious belief's as to each their own and I am certainly not promoting divorce. I do however think with the way things are in this day and time their are more needed moral value's to be concerned with but since I don't want to get off topic I will end it there. Regardless it is too contemptible that he would even try to use that as a excuse whether it is true or not.

[Musterion]

"May 06, 2009
Sheri, you have been one of my best friends since we met. I have not been able to stop crying since I learned of what happened to you along with Gavin and Garrett. The only peace I have right now is knowing that you are up in heaven with your boys and safe from any further harm. You are like a sister to me and you will always be in my thoughts. I love you my friend.
~ Meegan Turnbeaugh, High Ridge, Missouri"

http://www.legacy.com/gb2/guestbookentryprint.aspx?bookId=6189174858580

"NewsChannel 5 spoke with Meeghan Turnbeaugh, one of Sheri's best friends. She said it's a difficult situation because she knew Chris as well. But Turnbeaugh said she believes in the work police have done and if Chris is the person they said is responsible, she wants justice."

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=175859

"May 10, 2009 -- Kathy LaPlante (left) and Meegan Turnbeaugh, friends of Sheri Coleman, attend a candlelight vigil in honor of the Coleman family Sunday at Bolm-Schuhkraft Memorial City Park in Columbia, Ill. Sheri Coleman and her sons, Garett, and Gavin, were found slain Tuesday at their home in Columbia, Ill."

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/48657375458EC43F862575B30011DEF9?OpenDocument

"Meegan Turnbeaugh, of High Ridge, MO, a TimBuckTu
(Maryville, IL) pro-staffer has a passion for bow hunting.
Meegan's husband, Lonnie, asked her to go hunting in 2005 as a
way to relax. At that time Meegan was working 60-80 hours per
week and helping her terminally ill sister go through Cancer
treatment. She has successfully harvested Deer, Bear, European
Boar, Turkey and Buffalo with her bow. YOUGOGIRL! "

http://www.asomagazine.com/magazinepdf/0608/095.pdf

"Meegan Turnbeaugh Wild Turkey Video '07"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U97OeNG2A0

"To meet its ambitious mission and minister to
millions of people all over the world, Joyce
Meyer Ministries needs an agile, scalable
infrastructure. “In order to reach our goal,
technology can no longer be a barrier to
growth,” says Meegan Turnbeaugh, Division
Manager of Technology for the ministry."

http://www.xiotech.co.za/xioapp/Resources/pdf/CustomerSuccessStories/JoyceMeyerMinistries.pdf

IMO.
M.