Monday June 1/09 #1

[djmsmom]

That is true. However, unless the prosecution can clear up the vagueness the evidence may not be admitted. Remember the standard is "within a degree of scientific certainty"

The first analysis is: is the report/testimony scientifically reliable. If the court finds yes then it will be admitted and can be considered by the jury. If no, then it is not admitted and will not be considered.

JMO

Your welcome, wasn't the first arrest based on this evidence? The deathband and air samples?

[Or_is_it?]

I thought Casey was the nanny? George said he saw 'nanny' on her resume?????

yes, in Casey's mind she was the nanny and Cindy was the mommy....just ask Cindy: she blogs about all of her responsibilities involving Caylee.....sans giving birth.

:D

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*


Hey Pru :seeya:

The number #1 Nanny is Cindy or George! That's who Caylee was normally with when Casey was out for the majority of the time. How did Cindy ever miss that when running down the clues to who the Nanny could possibly be.

[JHP]

IMO, Casey never wanted Caylee. I heard that She considered having a friend of hers adopt Caylee. I also heard that Cindy wanted to adopt Caylee. She isn't the religious type so I don't understand why a person of her character wouldn't just abort. Why have the kid? Also, I heard that she hid the pregnancy for, iirc, like 7 months. I could be wrong about the amount of months but her uncle (Rick?), iirc, noticed she looked totally preggers and she kept denying it. He knew though because it was apparently so obvious.


No, IMO Casey never wanted Caylee. I still think something odd happened in the delivery room. Remember Cindys story at the beggining that Casey had not bonded with Caylee because the nurse gave her to Cindy? It was probably because Casey didn't want anything to do with her from the start.
Poor Caylee

[KittyMom]

You can eat all the bags you want on the Adkins diet. It's 100% protein.:biggrin:
I was at the gas station and a woman walked in and bought 4 bags and she told the clerk she was on that diet.:confused:
JMO

I'll bet her cholestrol was through the roof. :scared:

[Unleashed]

Sorry, I didnt mean to derail the board with my pork rind question but after reading about them for so long now I had to know. I mean how much weight can I possibly gain eating pork rinds? Right?? Its not like they are addictive or anything.... :ohmy: Right??
my bold.

Um.....you've seen the OC lately, right?

[Or_is_it?]

TBG
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Nothing geraldo says that can't be positively verified is no better than any of our OPINIONS about alien abduction or demonic posessions.

Or Capones Vault :shrug:

I wonder how Baez feels about the mixed messages. GR feels Casey's guilty

[Pruddennce]

Your welcome, wasn't the first arrest based on this evidence? The deathband and air samples?

her first arrest was for neglect of a child, false official statements and obstructing a criminal investigation.

her second arrest was for fraud (Amy's checks)

the third: murder one based on the totality of their investigation.

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[CelticDawn]

lol...this is true...cracklin bread, hhhmmmm haven't had that in forever.

Im gonna HAVE TO make some now!!!....If I can find FRESH cracklins to make it with!!!.....


with that...I am going to go and get these kids in BED n...no school means Daddy says they can run rampant....but DADDY AINT HERE and Im tired


Prayers for Justice for caylee.....Prayers for all of the abused exploited missing and suffering kids out there.


everybody be safe. :rose:

[Lapis]

Your welcome, wasn't the first arrest based on this evidence? The deathband and air samples?

I am pretty sure that is true as to the air samples but am not sure about the death band. JMo

[Pruddennce]

Hey Pru :seeya:

The number #1 Nanny is Cindy or George! That's who Caylee was normally with when Casey was out for the majority of the time. How did Cindy ever miss that when running down the clues to who the Nanny could possibly be.

hi Or!

cindy didnt talk to george, if she would have, she would have known.

IMO :w00t:

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[JHP]

That made me cry.

:rose: for Cayley Angel.

I'm sorry, this whole case is so sad for that sweet little girl.

[Lapis]

I pray to God that this evidence is allowed. This is the type of stuff that makes me nervous about the case. It seems like such a slam dunk to me but, if the defense attacks crucial evidence like this (any other evidence as well) and manages to keep it from the jury, the state's case could get weaker and weaker.

Of crucial importance in any criminal case are the motions to exclude. They can make or break a case. JMO

[msgatorslayer]

I have kids....and...I still have a life.....and I just cant figure out what is SO COOL about having kids and never ever being with them....doing things with them....for them.....watching them figure out things for the first time.....even sparring a bit with them!.....

If she was pumping herself up to be such a GOOD PERSON it seems she would have wanted to have Caylee with her accomplishing things.....I know I always get off on my kids accomplishments.....maybe thats being arrogant too...I dunno.

No, thats not being arrogant at all. That is how most parents feel and quite normal.

Casey was wanting to be someone she wasn't. A single person, free of responsibilities. Just like her friends. Caylee was baggage for her. Most of her friends didn't have children. They were able to party when they wanted to. She couldn't show up to a "Anything but clothes party' with a diaper bag and Caylee in hand.

Her friends were going to college, working, struggling to make ends meet. Casey wanted to be superior to them. She went straight to the top. An Event Planner for Universal. Complete with a 'nanny' who watched her child so she could go out and party.

The friends her age, quite honestly, and IMO, could care less about children. I'm not saying that to be mean at all. Young adults just don't have a need for children in their lives. Casey didn't need Caylee to prove anything to them.

Reminds me of an episode of Sex and the City I recently watched. After Miranda had the baby. All the girls were out shopping and she was carrying a cranky baby. Samantha flagged down a cab to get rid of her. Carrie later met up with her and all Miranda was doing was talking about breast feeding. She realized then, that she had turned into A MOM.

[legalmania]

Casey and Cindy there is only one song I can put on here to describe you

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[msgatorslayer]

I thought Casey was the nanny? George said he saw 'nanny' on her resume?????

yes, in Casey's mind she was the nanny and Cindy was the mommy....just ask Cindy: she blogs about all of her responsibilities involving Caylee.....sans giving birth.

:D

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

Which is yet more proof that George knew Casey wasn't working.

As she was telling her parents she was working at Universal, she's writting 'nanny' as her job for the past 2 years on a resume.:rolleyes:

[djmsmom]

No, thats not being arrogant at all. That is how most parents feel and quite normal.

Casey was wanting to be someone she wasn't. A single person, free of responsibilities. Just like her friends. Caylee was baggage for her. Most of her friends didn't have children. They were able to party when they wanted to. She couldn't show up to a "Anything but clothes party' with a diaper bag and Caylee in hand.

Her friends were going to college, working, struggling to make ends meet. Casey wanted to be superior to them. She went straight to the top. An Event Planner for Universal. Complete with a 'nanny' who watched her child so she could go out and party.

The friends her age, quite honestly, and IMO, could care less about children. I'm not saying that to be mean at all. Young adults just don't have a need for children in their lives. Casey didn't need Caylee to prove anything to them.

Reminds me of an episode of Sex and the City I recently watched. After Miranda had the baby. All the girls were out shopping and she was carrying a cranky baby. Samantha flagged down a cab to get rid of her. Carrie later met up with her and all Miranda was doing was talking about breast feeding. She realized then, that she had turned into A MOM.
This bothers me, if Cindy thought of herself as Caylees mom then why would Casey have to take Caylee to the nothing but clothes party. IMO Cindy also knew Casey wasn't working, if she was willing to support her and supply car, why not let her sow her wild oats, and BE A MOTHER TO CAYLEE???

[ruth66]

Where did the story of CAYLEE being taken from Casey at Blanchard Park originate? Was it just LP that stated Casey had changed her original story or have any of the Anthony's repeated that story stating that Casey actually did say that? I am just wondering if this is something that can be backed up in court or if it is just another statement LP has made that we are waiting on confirmation of? :confused:

[djmsmom]

Where did the story of CAYLEE being taken from Casey at Blanchard Park originate? Was it just LP that stated Casey had changed her original story or have any of the Anthony's repeated that story stating that Casey actually did say that? I am just wondering if this is something that can be backed up in court or if it is just another statement LP has made that we are waiting on confirmation of? :confused:

IIRC LP said that Casey told that story to LEE..

[Unleashed]

Yes, it is tragic. And on that note - I also will bid everyone adieu. My pillow awaits as does my job in the a.m. It has been a pleasure you all.

:seeya:

Good Night, Talamoth.
Sleep well.

[seeing_eye]

Don't be afraid to post, OCD. Most of us are very nice people. You just need to learn to ignore some.

I think about 95% of posters here are very nice (and some are quite humorous).

[kanzz]

Just thinking out loud here, so to speak. Wondering if Casey wished for a nanny so hard and so often that she invented one (or two, or three) in her own head long before the murder. With her delusions of grandeur, I'll bet she felt compelled to use the term 'nanny' as often as possible.
Casey thought of herself as the nanny, hence that entry on a resume.
Cindy was definitely the nanny - not only because she indeed was the primary caregiver of that child, but also because the baby called her "nana", no? Lots of kids call the nana "nanny" sometimes.
So.. and this is a stretch.. I've often wondered if there might have been a script for Xanax in the Anthony medicine cabinet, tying the word zanny into the scenario.

[seeing_eye]

I wonder what she was going to do to Lee as well. As I imagine her parents would leave things to both of them, upon their death.

She probably intended to not report their deaths. Hide the bodies and tell everyone they moved away.

[Dells]

I think there is enough evidence already
1. Caylee last seen with Casey with no explaination where or when she "loses her".
2. Seen renting movies same day with no Caylee, no explanation where she is.
3. Not reporting her missing at all.
4. Partying and never even mentioning her child to anyone. Being seen and interacting with tons of friends and being carefree.
5. Leaving car with decomp smell and hair with deathband, and traces of chlorophorm.
6. Lieing to LE and children and youth. Not helping LE search for her child, or giving and reasonable explanation for her disapearance.
7. Body being found close to her home with same clothes as last seen in.
8. Babys body being found wrapped in pooh blanket, garbage bags, and laundry bag, with duct tape that matches duct tape on gas cans, and heart sticker. When numerous pictures and papers in KC's room has hearts stickers all over.
If I was on a jury I wouldn't have any reasonable doubt.

This is such a great post and I so agree w/you.:thumbup: Based on this wonderful list that you have compiled here, I would have absolutely no trouble convicting Casey. I don't think a jury will either.

[seeing_eye]

:smile: You missed all the drama. We had an unclean person enter our room for awhile. Everything seems to be under control now.

Oh, great! Then I can remove my nose mask now? :confused:

[msgatorslayer]

Just thinking out loud here, so to speak. Wondering if Casey wished for a nanny so hard and so often that she invented one (or two, or three) in her own head long before the murder. With her delusions of grandeur, I'll bet she felt compelled to use the term 'nanny' as often as possible.
Casey thought of herself as the nanny, hence that entry on a resume.
Cindy was definitely the nanny - not only because she indeed was the primary caregiver of that child, but also because the baby called her "nana", no? Lots of kids call the nana "nanny" sometimes.
So.. and this is a stretch.. I've often wondered if there might have been a script for Xanax in the Anthony medicine cabinet, tying the word zanny into the scenario.

I think the 'nanny' reference on her resume was nothing more than her fudging her 2 year gap in employment. There was actually a time when she was thinking about going back to work, lmao.

[ruth66]

IIRC LP said that Casey told that story to LEE..


Do you recall if Lee repeated that story to LE? I am trying to figure out how many versions of the story of CAYLEE's disappearance actually came from Casey. Not that I don't trust LP but......:wink:

[djmsmom]

This is such a great post and I so agree w/you.:thumbup: Based on this wonderful list that you have compiled here, I would have absolutely no trouble convicting Casey. I don't think a jury will either.

YW Dells value your opinion :wub:

[Dells]

ITA - I could easily convict based on what I know at this moment. I started feeling uneasy when the new attorney came on board, plus I have seen other posters (not on this board) who are saying they cannot prove that Casey actually killed her, that it is only circumstancial, blah blah, etc. etc.

Guess I just want to convince myself that there is no way the OC will get out of this, that she will at least spend her entire life in jail without ever tasting freedom again. Ever.

Bolding mine...

I've gotten nervous every time they have added a new attorney to the "Dream Team". First it was LKB, then it was Toooodd (LOL at whoever coined that nickname for him :laugh:) and now AL. I think the nervousness will pass once we get used to them being part of the defense team. Yes, AL is a good attorney, but the facts of this case remain the same as they always have. I truly believe that Casey will be convicted of this horrific crime and pay a very heavy price for it.

[seeing_eye]

George has already stated that he and Cindy had Caylee 99% of the time if Casey didn't have her. {IMO, he's lying about the 1% or is talking about the once in a blue moon that maybe Lee or someone else had Caylee for a while}

Casey telling her friends that Caylee was with the nanny is part of her glamorous life she liked to portray to others. It sounded better to say nanny, someone she paid, than to say her child was being watched, for free, by her parents.

So, yeah, Cindy is the real nanny.

The fake nanny is the one made up in Casey's head to try and explain who took her Daughter.

ITA with this theory. That would explain why Cindy never demanded to know more about this "person" who was spending so much time watching Caylee. There is no way I can imagine any grandmother (whose grandchild is living with her and supported by her) would not demand to know all this information.

[Pruddennce]

I pray to God that this evidence is allowed. This is the type of stuff that makes me nervous about the case. It seems like such a slam dunk to me but, if the defense attacks crucial evidence like this (any other evidence as well) and manages to keep it from the jury, the state's case could get weaker and weaker.

I dont believe it will get weaker. IMO, it will all connect. once the proceedings begin, its going to be about Casey:

Casey: who never reported her child missing.

Casey: IF the nanny remains her defense, which I personally dont believe anymore: the people she claimed took her daughter cannot be located.....an entire family tree has disappeared along with a lifelong friend who has a son.....not a trace......

PI's hired by the Anthonys, Baez, LE and FBI could not locate these people. LE was not remiss. NO ONE could find them.

Casey: who lied to investigators about her employment...which directly connects to why she would NOT need a babysitter....

Casey: who was busy conducting her life as if her daughter never existed, tattoo, lunches, dinners, outings, dancing 4 days later at a club, renting movies HOURS later as if nothing was amiss....

its endless...her activities, her cell phone, her computer, her text msgs, all CE which points to: SHE WAS NOT CONCERNED.

which will certainly be enumerated point by point thru witnesses.

those infamous bogus work emails. a sophomoric attempt to deceive her mother about working. she went to extraordinary measures to be able to go party and have her mother take care of her child.

one issue I do not want to see omitted is Shirley P's experience with Casey.....I believe its imperative that her thefts within her own family be brought forth to substantiate her irresponsible lifestyle and mindset that 'anything goes' when it concerns her needs.

IMO they have much more. who can the defense bring forth to say that casey was crying her eyes out WHILE her daughter was missing BEFORE Caylee was reported to LE by her mother? what witnesses? Juliet and Jeff? they dont exist and they are the ONLY TWO PEOPLE she said she confided in....<-----thats a problem.

Nanny Z - cant find her
Juliet and Jeff - cant find them
Gloria - nanny's mom....cant find her
Samantha, Jennifer - cant find them
Nanny Z's uncle - doesnt exist
Nanny Z's dog <----Cindy's proof that Z exists but no one found the dog either :D

all of this speculation, but IMO she has already told a new story.

I dont feel Nanny Z is part of this case anymore.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[djmsmom]

Do you recall if Lee repeated that story to LE? I am trying to figure out how many versions of the story of CAYLEE's disappearance actually came from Casey. Not that I don't trust LP but......:wink:

sorry don't recall, and hoping we get to read his depo soon.....

[kanzz]

I think the 'nanny' reference on her resume was nothing more than her fudging her 2 year gap in employment. There was actually a time when she was thinking about going back to work, lmao.

Agree. I think she had word 'nanny' on the brain much of the time, so it was a just an easy jump to list it on the resume. LOL - Casey work - she worked too hard at not working and at running her schemes to hold down a real job.

[ruth66]

sorry don't recall, and hoping we get to read his depo soon.....

ITA, I wonder why he hasn't given one yet? Or has he? His relationship to Baez still concerns me. I can't tell which side he is on sometimes. Some of his stories fit right into the hands of the defense. The one thing that is clear as day with him is that he is not a fan of Cindy.

[Pruddennce]

Do you recall if Lee repeated that story to LE? I am trying to figure out how many versions of the story of CAYLEE's disappearance actually came from Casey. Not that I don't trust LP but......:wink:

Only one story came from casey to LE: Sawgrass. she never spoke to LE again. she had 3 chances. all 3 interviews were lies about Sawgrass.

the 'park story' came later. and it was told to Lee who told it to Cindy who told it to LE. as if LE would consider the arm-twisting, no weapon, pushed me down, public place abduction plausible after being led to Universal to see Casey's make believe office.

Casey had to change her story because Sawgrass didnt work out.

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Unleashed]

I dont believe it will get weaker. IMO, it will all connect. once the proceedings begin, its going to be about Casey:

Casey: who never reported her child missing.

Casey: IF the nanny remains her defense, which I personally dont believe anymore: the people she claimed took her daughter cannot be located.....an entire family tree has disappeared along with a lifelong friend who has a son.....not a trace......

PI's hired by the Anthonys, Baez, LE and FBI could not locate these people. LE was not remiss. NO ONE could find them.

Casey: who lied to investigators about her employment...which directly connects to why she would NOT need a babysitter....

Casey: who was busy conducting her life as if her daughter never existed, tattoo, lunches, dinners, outings, dancing 4 days later at a club, renting movies HOURS later as if nothing was amiss....

its endless...her activities, her cell phone, her computer, her text msgs, all CE which points to: SHE WAS NOT CONCERNED.

which will certainly be enumerated point by point thru witnesses.

those infamous bogus work emails. a sophomoric attempt to deceive her mother about working. she went to extraordinary measures to be able to go party and have her mother take care of her child.

one issue I do not want to see omitted is Shirley P's experience with Casey.....I believe its imperative that her thefts within her own family be brought forth to substantiate her irresponsible lifestyle and mindset that 'anything goes' when it concerns her needs.

IMO they have much more. who can the defense bring forth to say that casey was crying her eyes out WHILE her daughter was missing BEFORE Caylee was reported to LE by her mother? what witnesses? Juliet and Jeff? they dont exist and they are the ONLY TWO PEOPLE she said she confided in....<-----thats a problem.

Nanny Z - cant find her
Juliet and Jeff - cant find them
Gloria - nanny's mom....cant find her
Samantha, Jennifer - cant find them
Nanny Z's uncle - doesnt exist
Nanny Z's dog <----Cindy's proof that Z exists but no one found the dog either :D

all of this speculation, but IMO she has already told a new story.

I dont feel Nanny Z is part of this case anymore.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Pru, if I had strings to pull, you'd be on the prosecution team. :thumbup:

[seeing_eye]

You can eat all the bags you want on the Adkins diet. It's 100% protein.:biggrin:
I was at the gas station and a woman walked in and bought 4 bags and she told the clerk she was on that diet.:confused:
JMO

100% protein? I always thought they were 100% fat. At least, that's the only thing that went to my hips whenever I ate them.

[msgatorslayer]

I dont believe it will get weaker. IMO, it will all connect. once the proceedings begin, its going to be about Casey:

Casey: who never reported her child missing.

Casey: IF the nanny remains her defense, which I personally dont believe anymore: the people she claimed took her daughter cannot be located.....an entire family tree has disappeared along with a lifelong friend who has a son.....not a trace......

PI's hired by the Anthonys, Baez, LE and FBI could not locate these people. LE was not remiss. NO ONE could find them.

Casey: who lied to investigators about her employment...which directly connects to why she would NOT need a babysitter....

Casey: who was busy conducting her life as if her daughter never existed, tattoo, lunches, dinners, outings, dancing 4 days later at a club, renting movies HOURS later as if nothing was amiss....

its endless...her activities, her cell phone, her computer, her text msgs, all CE which points to: SHE WAS NOT CONCERNED.

which will certainly be enumerated point by point thru witnesses.

those infamous bogus work emails. a sophomoric attempt to deceive her mother about working. she went to extraordinary measures to be able to go party and have her mother take care of her child.

one issue I do not want to see omitted is Shirley P's experience with Casey.....I believe its imperative that her thefts within her own family be brought forth to substantiate her irresponsible lifestyle and mindset that 'anything goes' when it concerns her needs.

IMO they have much more. who can the defense bring forth to say that casey was crying her eyes out WHILE her daughter was missing BEFORE Caylee was reported to LE by her mother? what witnesses? Juliet and Jeff? they dont exist and they are the ONLY TWO PEOPLE she said she confided in....<-----thats a problem.

Nanny Z - cant find her
Juliet and Jeff - cant find them
Gloria - nanny's mom....cant find her
Samantha, Jennifer - cant find them
Nanny Z's uncle - doesnt exist
Nanny Z's dog <----Cindy's proof that Z exists but no one found the dog either :D

all of this speculation, but IMO she has already told a new story.

I dont feel Nanny Z is part of this case anymore.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

:thumbsup: Nice list, as usual, Pru!

[Pruddennce]

This bothers me, if Cindy thought of herself as Caylees mom then why would Casey have to take Caylee to the nothing but clothes party. IMO Cindy also knew Casey wasn't working, if she was willing to support her and supply car, why not let her sow her wild oats, and BE A MOTHER TO CAYLEE???

dj, she didnt take her to the party. Cindy was babysitting her that nite. HOWEVER, Cindy ultimately found out that casey was at the party (per Amy's statement, Casey told Amy her mother had a picture of her off of the computer)......Cindy confronted her about it because she said she was working. Cindy was very angry is what Casey told Amy.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[ruth66]

Only one story came from casey to LE: Sawgrass. she never spoke to LE again. she had 3 chances. all 3 interviews were lies about Sawgrass.

the 'park story' came later. and it was told to Lee who told it to Cindy who told it to LE. as if LE would consider the arm-twisting, no weapon, pushed me down, public place abduction plausible after being led to Universal to see Casey's make believe office.

Casey had to change her story because Sawgrass didnt work out.

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Thank you Pru, I am glad to hear that LP wasn't the only one to repeat that story. I am hoping that the story changes make it into the trial. :thumbsup:

[Unleashed]

:seeya: my friends.
Happy posting.

[seeing_eye]

This bothers me, if Cindy thought of herself as Caylees mom then why would Casey have to take Caylee to the nothing but clothes party. IMO Cindy also knew Casey wasn't working, if she was willing to support her and supply car, why not let her sow her wild oats, and BE A MOTHER TO CAYLEE???

I believe it's because Cindy was getting tired of being the nanny. She wanted Casey to take over some of that responsibility. I believe she even mentioned that to someone, maybe a co-worker?

[Dells]

I think we have to be careful when making statements like "solid forensic proof".

I don't think that to date, the public has been made aware of any "solid forensic proof" that it was Caylee's dead body in the trunk.

What about a hair with a death band around it that could have only come from an Anthony? Every other Anthony is alive and accounted for, so that unfortunately leaves only Caylee. To me personally, that is solid forensic proof that a dead Caylee was in the trunk of Casey's car.:crying:

[legalmania]

Im gonna HAVE TO make some now!!!....If I can find FRESH cracklins to make it with!!!.....


with that...I am going to go and get these kids in BED n...no school means Daddy says they can run rampant....but DADDY AINT HERE and Im tired


Prayers for Justice for caylee.....Prayers for all of the abused exploited missing and suffering kids out there.


everybody be safe. :rose:
don't forget to visit other missing and exploited children who don't get media attention please go to www.ncmec.org

[seeing_eye]

Where did the story of CAYLEE being taken from Casey at Blanchard Park originate? Was it just LP that stated Casey had changed her original story or have any of the Anthony's repeated that story stating that Casey actually did say that? I am just wondering if this is something that can be backed up in court or if it is just another statement LP has made that we are waiting on confirmation of? :confused:

I believe Lee was the first to mention it in his depo in the civil case. But I think I also heard Cindy confirm it later, but can't recall where.

[msgatorslayer]

I believe it's because Cindy was getting tired of being the nanny. She wanted Casey to take over some of that responsibility. I believe she even mentioned that to someone, maybe a co-worker?

It was long overdue for Cindy to get tired of it. What 'it' was, IMO, was the charade of Casey doing NOTHING, while Cindy did EVERYTHING and hiding it from EVERYONE.

[Pruddennce]

Thank you Pru, I am glad to hear that LP wasn't the only one to repeat that story. I am hoping that the story changes make it into the trial. :thumbsup:

ruth, Ive wondered about the park story if that is going to be elicited thru the G&C&L testimony. you know, their take on "Casey lies but always ends up telling the truth".....they bought this new story, hook, line and sinker and were anxious to alert LE to it.....

LE did not bat an eye about it.

secondly, the defendant wasnt telling the FBI or LE the new and improved story. so its a curious wonder if Jose was also the recipient of this story as well.

remember the A's saying there is a picture of the nanny in the park with Caylee, or something along those lines....some stranger just 'happened to take a picture'.....

never materialized.

I just have this feeling that the nanny story is being tossed.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[ttcRider]

:seeya: my friends.
Happy posting.

Good night Un! :wub:

[ruth66]

I believe it's because Cindy was getting tired of being the nanny. She wanted Casey to take over some of that responsibility. I believe she even mentioned that to someone, maybe a co-worker?

It has crossed my mind that this may be where the reference to "nanny" originated. Cindy saying something to the effect of: "I am not your nanny". This may also be another way that Casey further tortures Cindy blaming this on the nanny. Just something I have considered because I do not believe for a minute that Cindy ever thought there was a nanny or that she ever believed that there was a need for one being that she seemed to be taking on the role.

[Lapis]

I've been thinking alot about the Zanny the Nanny story and trying to piece the various statements from the Grunds, the friends, the Anthonys and Casey herself together.

IIRC according to Rev Grund when Caylee was first born they were spending alot of time at the Grund house with the elder Grunds and Jesse's younger sibling watching Caylee. I think this is when Casey was still working. Then Rev. Grund insists that she find alternate babysitting arrangements. This is when he first hears of Zanny. I think this was a spur of the moment statement by Casey (maybe from the children's book). She begins to not show up at work as she does not really have any other babysitter.

Now Jesse and Casey break up and she has to spend more time at the Anthony home. Now we know that George did not work alot and if he did it was in the afternoon or evening hours. Casey is not working either. She tells her parents that she can work from home. If she wants to go out, she tells her parents she is going to work and George and/or Cindy can watch Caylee. Remember Cindy's co-workers said Casey often dropped Caylee at the nursing home. If she had spent the entire day with Caylee she would look to be getting out at night. If for some reason they are not available she brings Caylee with her telling her parents she will drop Caylee at Zanny's.

Using Zanny as the occassional babysitter would explain why Cindy the control freak would not necessarily be all that concerned about a number. The friends testified that she sometimes brought Caylee with her to parties. This would explain George's testimony that if Caylee was not with Casey they would watch her 99% of the time.

Now May/June, 2008 comes around and Cindy is complaining about working all day and then having to watch Caylee at night. She's still seeing occassionally Ricardo and just brings Caylee with her. When she starts to date TonE he is less tolerant of the child or Casey realizes that maybe Caylee was what caused problems in the relationship with Ricardo. She has a dilemma, Cindy and George are less tolerant and TonE won't let her stay with Caylee at his place.

On Father's day she and Cindy have a fight. Maybe she wanted to go out that evening and Cindy gave her grief because she had not spent any time with Caylee that day. In the Anthony home that may have been an ongoing dispute and therefore in their minds an ordinary Sunday. She leaves in a fit.

Something happens that night or the following day (murder or accident doesn't matter in this analysis). She can't return home without Caylee, so she begins to spend her time at TonE's. She tells Cindy and George that Caylee is fine and with Zanny. She has gotten Cindy off her back and she is free to live La Vida Loca. She can party hardy confident that her friends will not rat her out. If for some reason Cindy makes contact with the friends then it will not appear anything is wrong.

Every so often she thinks of the story she will tell. Now we know Casey only plans 15 minutes at a time and she believes she does not have to have a coherent story until Caylee's third birthday. George and Cindy will not accept not seeing Caylee on her birthday. She makes up with the name or hears it at Sawgrass (again not important to the analysis). Everything blows up on July 15 and she throws together the story, not aware that the police will check out her story.

This is the best I can do putting together everything we've heard so far. What do you think?

JMO

[Dells]

Geraldo is only aired on the weekends and he beats his competition one and a half to one. For better or worse, he has a higher rating than you do. At least on this board.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/

He beats his competition because he is up against reruns. I would most definitely expect a show that is new and being aired live to beat a rerun that played earlier in the week. What an embarrassment that would be for GR to get lower ratings then a rerun.:w00t: It would be interesting to see what his ratings would be if he was up against live competition. I still don't like his show and do not and will not watch him.:thumbdown:

[ruth66]

ruth, Ive wondered about the park story if that is going to be elicited thru the G&C&L testimony. you know, their take on "Casey lies but always ends up telling the truth".....they bought this new story, hook, line and sinker and were anxious to alert LE to it.....

LE did not bat an eye about it.

secondly, the defendant wasnt telling the FBI or LE the new and improved story. so its a curious wonder if Jose was also the recipient of this story as well.

remember the A's saying there is a picture of the nanny in the park with Caylee, or something along those lines....some stranger just 'happened to take a picture'.....

never materialized.

I just have this feeling that the nanny story is being tossed.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

So the prosecution can still bring it in right? I mean that is the first story, the defense will then be forced to at the very least to make some attempt to explain that story to the jury right? :confused:

Sorry for picking your brain, I find I have to wait until the board is slow to get my questions answered.

[legalmania]

Caylee every night I think about your sweet little face and the beautiful thing about it is you will stay forever young so I'm dedicating this song to you. Justice is yours baby girl.

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[ruth66]

I've been thinking alot about the Zanny the Nanny story and trying to piece the various statements from the Grunds, the friends, the Anthonys and Casey herself together.

IIRC according to Rev Grund when Caylee was first born they were spending alot of time at the Grund house with the elder Grunds and Jesse's younger sibling watching Caylee. I think this is when Casey was still working. Then Rev. Grund insists that she find alternate babysitting arrangements. This is when he first hears of Zanny. I think this was a spur of the moment statement by Casey (maybe from the children's book). She begins to not show up at work as she does not really have any other babysitter.

Now Jesse and Casey break up and she has to spend more time at the Anthony home. Now we know that George did not work alot and if he did it was in the afternoon or evening hours. Casey is not working either. She tells her parents that she can work from home. If she wants to go out, she tells her parents she is going to work and George and/or Cindy can watch Caylee. Remember Cindy's co-workers said Casey often dropped Caylee at the nursing home. If she had spent the entire day with Caylee she would look to be getting out at night. If for some reason they are not available she brings Caylee with her telling her parents she will drop Caylee at Zanny's.

Using Zanny as the occassional babysitter would explain why Cindy the control freak would not necessarily be all that concerned about a number. The friends testified that she sometimes brought Caylee with her to parties. This would explain George's testimony that if Caylee was not with Casey they would watch her 99% of the time.

Now May/June, 2008 comes around and Cindy is complaining about working all day and then having to watch Caylee at night. She's still seeing occassionally Ricardo and just brings Caylee with her. When she starts to date TonE he is less tolerant of the child or Casey realizes that maybe Caylee was what caused problems in the relationship with Ricardo. She has a dilemma, Cindy and George are less tolerant and TonE won't let her stay with Caylee at his place.

On Father's day she and Cindy have a fight. Maybe she wanted to go out that evening and Cindy gave her grief because she had not spent any time with Caylee that day. In the Anthony home that may have been an ongoing dispute and therefore in their minds an ordinary Sunday. She leaves in a fit.

Something happens that night or the following day (murder or accident doesn't matter in this analysis). She can't return home without Caylee, so she begins to spend her time at TonE's. She tells Cindy and George that Caylee is fine and with Zanny. She has gotten Cindy off her back and she is free to live La Vida Loca. She can party hardy confident that her friends will not rat her out. If for some reason Cindy makes contact with the friends then it will not appear anything is wrong.

Every so often she thinks of the story she will tell. Now we know Casey only plans 15 minutes at a time and she believes she does not have to have a coherent story until Caylee's third birthday. George and Cindy will not accept not seeing Caylee on her birthday. She makes up with the name or hears it at Sawgrass (again not important to the analysis). Everything blows up on July 15 and she throws together the story, not aware that the police will check out her story.

This is the best I can do putting together everything we've heard so far. What do you think?

JMO

Kudos Lapis, You have simplified this down to something that sounds very plausible and not the confusing mess that it has become. It really can be as simple as that. Casey would have everyone believe that her life was more exciting and complicated than it really was. :thumbsup:

[seeing_eye]

I've been thinking alot about the Zanny the Nanny story and trying to piece the various statements from the Grunds, the friends, the Anthonys and Casey herself together.

IIRC according to Rev Grund when Caylee was first born they were spending alot of time at the Grund house with the elder Grunds and Jesse's younger sibling watching Caylee. I think this is when Casey was still working. Then Rev. Grund insists that she find alternate babysitting arrangements. This is when he first hears of Zanny. I think this was a spur of the moment statement by Casey (maybe from the children's book). She begins to not show up at work as she does not really have any other babysitter.

Now Jesse and Casey break up and she has to spend more time at the Anthony home. Now we know that George did not work alot and if he did it was in the afternoon or evening hours. Casey is not working either. She tells her parents that she can work from home. If she wants to go out, she tells her parents she is going to work and George and/or Cindy can watch Caylee. Remember Cindy's co-workers said Casey often dropped Caylee at the nursing home. If she had spent the entire day with Caylee she would look to be getting out at night. If for some reason they are not available she brings Caylee with her telling her parents she will drop Caylee at Zanny's.

Using Zanny as the occassional babysitter would explain why Cindy the control freak would not necessarily be all that concerned about a number. The friends testified that she sometimes brought Caylee with her to parties. This would explain George's testimony that if Caylee was not with Casey they would watch her 99% of the time.

Now May/June, 2008 comes around and Cindy is complaining about working all day and then having to watch Caylee at night. She's still seeing occassionally Ricardo and just brings Caylee with her. When she starts to date TonE he is less tolerant of the child or Casey realizes that maybe Caylee was what caused problems in the relationship with Ricardo. She has a dilemma, Cindy and George are less tolerant and TonE won't let her stay with Caylee at his place.

On Father's day she and Cindy have a fight. Maybe she wanted to go out that evening and Cindy gave her grief because she had not spent any time with Caylee that day. In the Anthony home that may have been an ongoing dispute and therefore in their minds an ordinary Sunday. She leaves in a fit.

Something happens that night or the following day (murder or accident doesn't matter in this analysis). She can't return home without Caylee, so she begins to spend her time at TonE's. She tells Cindy and George that Caylee is fine and with Zanny. She has gotten Cindy off her back and she is free to live La Vida Loca. She can party hardy confident that her friends will not rat her out. If for some reason Cindy makes contact with the friends then it will not appear anything is wrong.

Every so often she thinks of the story she will tell. Now we know Casey only plans 15 minutes at a time and she believes she does not have to have a coherent story until Caylee's third birthday. George and Cindy will not accept not seeing Caylee on her birthday. She makes up with the name or hears it at Sawgrass (again not important to the analysis). Everything blows up on July 15 and she throws together the story, not aware that the police will check out her story.

This is the best I can do putting together everything we've heard so far. What do you think?

JMO

It's all just about what I think happened too, except I don't believe Cindy had ever heard the word Zanny before July 15 despite the fact that she now says that she did. I think her friends had heard it, but not her family. Text messages might give a clue here. The main reason I think this is Cindy's plea on her myspace page for July 3 when she's wondering who is taking care of the "little angel" now. Wouldn't she have considered Zanny the nanny if she had previously heard of her?

[msgatorslayer]

It's all just about what I think happened too, except I don't believe Cindy had ever heard the word Zanny before July 15 despite the fact that she now says that she did. I think her friends had heard it, but not her family. Text messages might give a clue here. The main reason I think this is Cindy's plea on her myspace page for July 3 when she's wondering who is taking care of the "little angel" now. Wouldn't she have considered Zanny the nanny if she had previously heard of her?

I have the same belief.

[Lapis]

It's all just about what I think happened too, except I don't believe Cindy had ever heard the word Zanny before July 15 despite the fact that she now says that she did. I think her friends had heard it, but not her family. Text messages might give a clue here. The main reason I think this is Cindy's plea on her myspace page for July 3 when she's wondering who is taking care of the "little angel" now. Wouldn't she have considered Zanny the nanny if she had previously heard of her?

Good point. I know that Rev and Jesse Grund both say they had heard the name before. Or maybe the July 3 myspace page refers to the fact that Cindy had never met Zanny and does not know what type of person is watching Caylee. Also Goerge in one of his statements to LE says that Caylee never had any reaction when he asked her if she enjoyed her day with Zanny. There did not seem to be any recognition of the name. JMO

[8BellesFan]

He also sent a harassing PM to me, Sus. This isn't about you at all, and certainly isn't your fault. This is about him. No worries. It will be dealt with. He thinks if he PM's his really nasty stuff instead of posting it publicly, he can stay under the mod's radar.

He's wrong.

Off to beddy bye, gang. See you tomorrow. :seeya:


to me also. I laughed a lot at it though.:biggrin:

[legalmania]

I've been thinking a lot about the Nanny the Nanny story and trying to piece the various statements from the Grounds, the friends, the Anthony's and Casey herself together.

IIRC according to Rev Ground when Caylee was first born they were spending a lot of time at the Grind house with the elder Gerunds and Jesse's younger sibling watching Caylee. I think this is when Casey was still working. Then Rev. Grund insists that she find alternate babysitting arrangements. This is when he first hears of Zanny. I think this was a spur of the moment statement by Casey (maybe from the children's book). She begins to not show up at work as she does not really have any other babysitter.

Now Jesse and Casey break up and she has to spend more time at the Anthony home. Now we know that George did not work a lot and if he did it was in the afternoon or evening hours. Casey is not working either. She tells her parents that she can work from home. If she wants to go out, she tells her parents she is going to work and George and/or Cindy can watch Caylee. Remember Cindy's co-workers said Casey often dropped Caylee at the nursing home. If she had spent the entire day with Caylee she would look to be getting out at night. If for some reason they are not available she brings Caylee with her telling her parents she will drop Caylee at Zanny's.

Using Zanny as the occasional babysitter would explain why Cindy the control freak would not necessarily be all that concerned about a number. The friends testified that she sometimes brought Caylee with her to parties. This would explain George's testimony that if Caylee was not with Casey they would watch her 99% of the time.

Now May/June, 2008 comes around and Cindy is complaining about working all day and then having to watch Caylee at night. She's still seeing occasionally Ricardo and just brings Caylee with her. When she starts to date TonE he is less tolerant of the child or Casey realizes that maybe Caylee was what caused problems in the relationship with Ricardo. She has a dilemma, Cindy and George are less tolerant and TonE won't let her stay with Caylee at his place.

On Father's day she and Cindy have a fight. Maybe she wanted to go out that evening and Cindy gave her grief because she had not spent any time with Caylee that day. In the Anthony home that may have been an ongoing dispute and therefore in their minds an ordinary Sunday. She leaves in a fit.

Something happens that night or the following day (murder or accident doesn't matter in this analysis). She can't return home without Caylee, so she begins to spend her time at TonY's. She tells Cindy and George that Caylee is fine and with Zanny. She has gotten Cindy off her back and she is free to live La Vida Loca. She can party hardy confident that her friends will not rat her out. If for some reason Cindy makes contact with the friends then it will not appear anything is wrong.

Every so often she thinks of the story she will tell. Now we know Casey only plans 15 minutes at a time and she believes she does not have to have a coherent story until Caylee's third birthday. George and Cindy will not accept not seeing Caylee on her birthday. She makes up with the name or hears it at Sawgrass (again not important to the analysis). Everything blows up on July 15 and she throws together the story, not aware that the police will check out her story.

This is the best I can do putting together everything we've heard so far. What do you think?

JMO

I don't understand why everybody tries to guess scenarios. Maybe it makes you feel better, but it's still just a guess. Unless there is a confession we will never really know the whole story. All I know is the facts a beautiful little girl was wrapped in duct tape and a sticker of a heart was placed where her mouth was and then she was wrapped in a laundry bag and two plastic bags and tossed away like garbage. Nanny or no nanny a little baby was murdered that's the why I want to know.

[seeing_eye]

Good point. I know that Rev and Jesse Grund both say they had heard the name before. Or maybe the July 3 myspace page refers to the fact that Cindy had never met Zanny and does not know what type of person is watching Caylee. Also Goerge in one of his statements to LE says that Caylee never had any reaction when he asked her if she enjoyed her day with Zanny. There did not seem to be any recognition of the name. JMO

It's my opinion the fact that Casey was telling her friends about the nanny and not her family was the reason she kept the two groups apart. She obviously did not want them talking with each other to compare notes. When Casey was arrested and Cindy got together with Casey's friends to try to figure out the identity of the nanny was all an act on Cindy's part. By this time she was in cover-up mode. JMO

[seeing_eye]

to me also. I laughed a lot at it though.:biggrin:

Oh, darn it! I didn't get one.

[Lapis]

Lapis - I think you have the Nanny theory pretty well figured out. I am glad I have never been in the position of trying to hide myself and a baby out all day pretending to work. There had to be a lot of stress.

So Casey grabs Caylee after the fight, then what? She badgers TonE almost all night on the 15th and he "wants boys" so she has no place to go. She gets angry at Caylee for her useless life , puts a handy tape(?) on her mouth to make her stop crying but where does she go? She cannot go home until after George leaves. The dogs did not find a cadaver scent in the car that I know of so Caylee must have died in the trunk. No cadaver scent in the A's house either. So she bags Caylee's body up on the 16th and puts her back in the trunk while she parties?

This is where things can get fuzzy and things can go either way. We know she went back to the house on the 16th. The dogs hitting in the backyard and trunk works if she returns with the dead body and attempts to bury it in the backyard or stage an accident. It also works if there was an accident say in the pool and she removes the body from the pool and then places it in the trunk. JMO

[kanzz]

I don't understand why everybody tries to guess scenarios. Maybe it makes you feel better, but it's still just a guess. Unless there is a confession we will never really know the whole story. All I know is the facts a beautiful little girl was wrapped in duct tape and a sticker of a heart was placed where her mouth was and then she was wrapped in a laundry bag and two plastic bags and tossed away like garbage. Nanny or no nanny a little baby was murdered that's the why I want to know.

For me, it's interesting and challenging to guess... and to read what others guess.

[Lapis]

I don't understand why everybody tries to guess scenarios. Maybe it makes you feel better, but it's still just a guess. Unless there is a confession we will never really know the whole story. All I know is the facts a beautiful little girl was wrapped in duct tape and a sticker of a heart was placed where her mouth was and then she was wrapped in a laundry bag and two plastic bags and tossed away like garbage. Nanny or no nanny a little baby was murdered that's the why I want to know.


The prosecution will have to come up with scenarios that pull together all the facts as they are know to present a plausible theory to the jury. Would you rather talk about pork rinds?

[seeing_eye]

I don't understand why everybody tries to guess scenarios. Maybe it makes you feel better, but it's still just a guess. Unless there is a confession we will never really know the whole story. All I know is the facts a beautiful little girl was wrapped in duct tape and a sticker of a heart was placed where her mouth was and then she was wrapped in a laundry bag and two plastic bags and tossed away like garbage. Nanny or no nanny a little baby was murdered that's the why I want to know.

Because I like to try to figure things out. Keeps my brain cells from drying up in my old age.

[8BellesFan]

the blanche dubois of the jail. Casey is probably telling everyone in jail she is just there until her boyfriend gets things straightened out like her place of employment.


stelllllaaaaaaa

[legalmania]

The prosecution will have to come up with scenarios that pull together all the facts as they are know to present a plausible theory to the jury. Would you rather talk about pork rinds?


The prosecution better have more than scenarios they better have evidence to back it up. Juries want to see dna and real evidence they sure don't want to sit there and hear stories.

[Dick Tracy]

It's my opinion the fact that Casey was telling her friends about the nanny and not her family was the reason she kept the two groups apart. She obviously did not want them talking with each other to compare notes. When Casey was arrested and Cindy got together with Casey's friends to try to figure out the identity of the nanny was all an act on Cindy's part. By this time she was in cover-up mode. JMO

I gotta disagree with the last part of your statement. When Casey's friends all got together with Cindy shortly after the 16th of July, she KNEW something had happened because of the smell in the car, and Caseys unwillingness to take her to Caylee. However, I don't think she was in cover-up mode YET. So I don't think it was an act YET.

What frosts my azz is the fact that Casey had those closest to her (mom, dad, lee) all convinced that she was going to Universal Studio's to her corner office, a job that also allowed her to telecommute. She took great pains to create that illusion. Great pains. Fake e-mail accounts for people she worked with, sending herself e-mails. She would probably walk out of her room with a fake e-mail printed out, sit down at the dinner table, show it to her mom, and say "Look, they want me to go into to work tonight at 9pm for a Budget Meeting, or some crap like that." And Cindy believed it. And this went on for over two years.

Gawd almighty.

[Dick Tracy]

I don't understand why everybody tries to guess scenarios. Maybe it makes you feel better, but it's still just a guess. Unless there is a confession we will never really know the whole story. All I know is the facts a beautiful little girl was wrapped in duct tape and a sticker of a heart was placed where her mouth was and then she was wrapped in a laundry bag and two plastic bags and tossed away like garbage. Nanny or no nanny a little baby was murdered that's the why I want to know.

Thanks.. I hadn't thought of "she had a Nanny theory" :closedeyes:

[seeing_eye]

I gotta disagree with the last part of your statement. When Casey's friends all got together with Cindy shortly after the 16th of July, she KNEW something had happened because of the smell in the car, and Caseys unwillingness to take her to Caylee. However, I don't think she was in cover-up mode YET. So I don't think it was an act YET.

What frosts my azz is the fact that Casey had those closest to her (mom, dad, lee) all convinced that she was going to Universal Studio's to her corner office, a job that also allowed her to telecommute. She took great pains to create that illusion. Great pains. Fake e-mail accounts for people she worked with, sending herself e-mails. She would probably walk out of her room with a fake e-mail printed out, sit down at the dinner table, show it to her mom, and say "Look, they want me to go into to work tonight at 9pm for a Budget Meeting, or some crap like that." And Cindy believed it. And this went on for over two years.

Gawd almighty.

I think Cindy went into cover-up mode as soon as she realized Caylee was dead. I could be wrong. I have been in the past.

[legalmania]

Because I like to try to figure things out. Keeps my brain cells from drying up in my old age.

It's been almost a year and only one person knows the truth and she isn't talking.

[Lapis]

I cannot believe the pool would be an accident because of the clothes Caylee was wearing and the tape. Caylee was even wearing blue crocs with her bathing suit in an earlier pic so she would not play in the yard without shoes, no shoes with the body. Love your reasoning. Tnx.

Did she swim without shoes? If she accidentally drowned because Casey was in the house "working" and then Casey redressed her she wouldn't necessarily have shoes. Also does Casey strike you as the type of mother that cared about shoes when she played anywhere? Cindy yes....Casey?

[seeing_eye]

It's been almost a year and only one person knows the truth and she isn't talking.

If she was talking, we wouldn't have to be racking our brains trying to figure it out. (That is, if we believed her.)

[ruth66]

The Blanche Dubois of the jail. Casey is probably telling everyone in jail she is just there until her boyfriend gets things straightened out like her place of employment.

Wouldn't put anything passed her and Baez seems to fit that role real well.

[legalmania]

I think Cindy went into cover-up mode as soon as she realized Caylee was dead. I could be wrong. I have been in the past.

It's all wrong, don't you get it, people are saying she's a liar and then trying to make sense out of it . How do you make sense out of lies?

[legalmania]

Thanks.. I hadn't thought of "she had a Nanny theory" :closedeyes:

Where did you read a nanny theory from me?

[8BellesFan]

It's all wrong, don't you get it, people are saying she's a liar and then trying to make sense out of it . How do you make sense out of lies?

you can't make sense out of lies, but people are shocked by their behavior to the point of trying to make sense out of it. futile, but it's human nature to try to untangle such a mind boggling mess.


(((((legalmania)))))

[Dick Tracy]

This is where things can get fuzzy and things can go either way. We know she went back to the house on the 16th. The dogs hitting in the backyard and trunk works if she returns with the dead body and attempts to bury it in the backyard or stage an accident. It also works if there was an accident say in the pool and she removes the body from the pool and then places it in the trunk. JMO


She went home after the fight IMO. There is computer activity on the Anthony home computer in the 1400 hour timeframe. I'm still unsure with the story that George Anthony did in fact see her leave with Casey at or around 12:50pm. But she returns home after George leaves.

One part of me thinks the crime happened at night, in the early morning hours of the 16th. Casey lashes out at Caylee, maybe strangles her OR maybe hits her so hard she knocks Caylee out, and Caylee dies. Duct tape after the crime? Yes. I don't believe that Casey was carrying duct tape and a heart shaped sticker around with her. That happened when she came on the 18th or the 19th, and "prepped" the body for disposal.

The other part of me thinks she drowned in the pool, while TOT MOM is dutifully working away on her myspace page in the middle of the afternoon. Casey finds her, floating, face down. Tries to call Mom. Tries to call dad. She hides the body in the backyard, maybe in the playhouse for two days. Then she goes over to her boyfriends and Blockbuster and checks out two movies on kidnapping, and some other sick movie that shows a decomposing body in the trunk of a car in one of the scenes. After all, she had to learn what do next. She had to have a plan.

[Dick Tracy]

Where did you read a nanny theory from me?


well, you gave two options. Nanny or No Nanny. We've been discussing the fact that she didn't have a Nanny. I've never seen any discussion about her HAVING a Nanny.

Actually it was said in jest.

And you never did say you had a "she had a nanny" theory.

[ruth66]

I gotta disagree with the last part of your statement. When Casey's friends all got together with Cindy shortly after the 16th of July, she KNEW something had happened because of the smell in the car, and Caseys unwillingness to take her to Caylee. However, I don't think she was in cover-up mode YET. So I don't think it was an act YET.

What frosts my azz is the fact that Casey had those closest to her (mom, dad, lee) all convinced that she was going to Universal Studio's to her corner office, a job that also allowed her to telecommute. She took great pains to create that illusion. Great pains. Fake e-mail accounts for people she worked with, sending herself e-mails. She would probably walk out of her room with a fake e-mail printed out, sit down at the dinner table, show it to her mom, and say "Look, they want me to go into to work tonight at 9pm for a Budget Meeting, or some crap like that." And Cindy believed it. And this went on for over two years.
Gawd almighty.

Bolding mine
That is the part that I am on the fence about. I am not completely convinced that Cindy believed it. I tend to believe that she let it slide to avoid the friction that would ensue with the subject of a "job". I find it hard to believe that Cindy provided shelter, food and clothing for her adult daughter and her granddaughter, knowing her daughter had been stealing money for a period of time from several sources including from Cindy and yet she believed that Casey had a job.

[legalmania]

you can't make sense out of lies, but people are shocked by their behavior to the point of trying to make sense out of it. futile, but it's human nature to try to untangle such a mind boggling mess.


(((((legalmania)))))

Why bother your gonna end up still guessing in the end because, I have a pretty good feeling that the trial isn't going to answer many questions. It may connect the dots, but we will never know why Caylee was killed and that's the most important question that needs an answer.

[Lapis]

She went home after the fight IMO. There is computer activity on the Anthony home computer in the 1400 hour timeframe. I'm still unsure with the story that George Anthony did in fact see her leave with Casey at or around 12:50pm. But she returns home after George leaves.

One part of me thinks the crime happened at night, in the early morning hours of the 16th. Casey lashes out at Caylee, maybe strangles her OR maybe hits her so hard she knocks Caylee out, and Caylee dies. Duct tape after the crime? Yes. I don't believe that Casey was carrying duct tape and a heart shaped sticker around with her. That happened when she came on the 18th or the 19th, and "prepped" the body for disposal.

The other part of me thinks she drowned in the pool, while TOT MOM is dutifully working away on her myspace page in the middle of the afternoon. Casey finds her, floating, face down. Tries to call Mom. Tries to call dad. She hides the body in the backyard, maybe in the playhouse for two days. Then she goes over to her boyfriends and Blockbuster and checks out two movies on kidnapping, and some other sick movie that shows a decomposing body in the trunk of a car in one of the scenes. After all, she had to learn what do next. She had to have a plan.

See the facts can work both ways. What has always had me lean toward a more active role by Casey is the failure to report the "accident". Can she really be that afraid of Cindy? George? the hit to her reputation as mother of the year? I think she could be much more sympathetic would she be if it were an accidental drowning. That poor mother, she just turned her back on the baby for a moment. Happens all the time. Maybe she would take some temporary heat from the parents but all would be forgiven. JMO

[kanzz]

Some of enjoy guessing, and reading what others guess... some of us don't. That's OK, isn't it?

Yes.

Objection, your honor. Asked and answered.

Sustained.

Oh, NVM. nite all

[legalmania]

well, you gave two options. Nanny or No Nanny. We've been discussing the fact that she didn't have a Nanny. I've never seen any discussion about her HAVING a Nanny.

Actually it was said in jest.

And you never did say you had a "she had a nanny" theory.

If you consider that a theory, you must have one heck of an imagination. She's getting sued because someone thinks she's the nanny Casey spoke of so somebody thought they were the nanny.

[Dick Tracy]

Bolding mine
That is the part that I am on the fence about. I am not completely convinced that Cindy believed it. I tend to believe that she let it slide to avoid the friction that would ensue with the subject of a "job". I find it hard to believe that Cindy provided shelter, food and clothing for her adult daughter and her granddaughter, knowing her daughter had been stealing money for a period of time from several sources including from Cindy and yet she believed that Casey had a job.

Maybe that's why Casey had to have the fake e-mail accounts and the network of fake names and messages, and a Universal Studios ID on a lanyard to make it look all official for Cindy's sake. I mean, when you read about the messages coming from fictitious characters that supposedly worked at Universal, she really "worked" that part of the story, almost to perfection. She made it look like she really HAD a job over there. It's devious planning, I tell you.

[Dick Tracy]

If you consider that a theory, you must have one heck of an imagination. She's getting sued because someone thinks she's the nanny Casey spoke of so somebody thought they were the nanny.

I do have quite an imagination. That's what keeps me looking so young.
I know why she's being sued. I think you just missed my point. I said what I said in jest. It was a joke. Just a friendly poke. Okay?

[Lapis]

Maybe that's why Casey had to have the fake e-mail accounts and the network of fake names and messages, and a Universal Studios ID on a lanyard to make it look all official for Cindy's sake. I mean, when you read about the messages coming from fictitious characters that supposedly worked at Universal, she really "worked" that part of the story, almost to perfection. She made it look like she really HAD a job over there. It's devious planning, I tell you.


Remember she did work there for a while and never returned so probably never returned her ID. The faking of the e-mails etc was a full time job. JMO

[Dick Tracy]

See the facts can work both ways. What has always had me lean toward a more active role by Casey is the failure to report the "accident". Can she really be that afraid of Cindy? George? the hit to her reputation as mother of the year? I think she could be much more sympathetic would she be if it were an accidental drowning. That poor mother, she just turned her back on the baby for a moment. Happens all the time. Maybe she would take some temporary heat from the parents but all would be forgiven. JMO

ITA. That's the problem with all of this. It can work both ways.

New subject.... I'm wondering if her constant need of gas cans has something to do with trying to mask the odor from the car. If you remember in the SP trial, SP had gas leak over something in the shed out back, thereby cancelling out any way for the cadaver dogs to hit on it. I think it was the object that Staci was rolled into for the drive to the marina. imo

[legalmania]

I do have quite an imagination. That's what keeps me looking so young.
I know why she's being sued. I think you just missed my point. I said what I said in jest. It was a joke. Just a friendly poke. Okay?


Got you, I could use a friendly poke here and there but remember this

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[ruth66]

Maybe that's why Casey had to have the fake e-mail accounts and the network of fake names and messages, and a Universal Studios ID on a lanyard to make it look all official for Cindy's sake. I mean, when you read about the messages coming from fictitious characters that supposedly worked at Universal, she really "worked" that part of the story, almost to perfection. She made it look like she really HAD a job over there. It's devious planning, I tell you.

It is devious planning but I tend to think that Cindy had to know that it was all B.S. otherwise Casey would have had money to pay her own cell phone bill, buy Caylee clothes, etc... Even with all the "supporting documentation" Casey provided, she never produced a checkstub. Cindy can't have it both ways. She wants on one hand for LE to believe she knew everything about CAYLEE and Casey's life, the little details (like the Zanny had an accident story which by the way had more twists and turns than a rollercoaster ride at Univeral) but yet she didn't know that Casey did not have a real job. She knew that the Sports Authority job was a lie.... I'm just not convinced.:smile:

[Lapis]

ITA. That's the problem with all of this. It can work both ways.

New subject.... I'm wondering if her constant need of gas cans has something to do with trying to mask the odor from the car. If you remember in the SP trial, SP had gas leak over something in the shed out back, thereby cancelling out any way for the cadaver dogs to hit on it. I think it was the object that Staci was rolled into for the drive to the marina. imo

I think that may be an unintended benefit. I do think she just didn't have the cash to fill the car. Besides why waste the little money you do have when you can just steal from your parents. JMO

[Dick Tracy]

Remember she did work there for a while and never returned so probably never returned her ID. The faking of the e-mails etc was a full time job. JMO

IT WAS! ITA. She just stopped showing up over there, was never formally canned at Universal's HR department, so she probably had all that stuff.

But the fake e-mails I found fascinating.

Look Mom, here's another e-mail from Tom Manley.. He wants me and Juliette to go to Tampa for a few weeks. Darn it.

[ruth66]

Good Night All! Sleep well.

[Dick Tracy]

It is devious planning but I tend to think that Cindy had to know that it was all B.S. otherwise Casey would have had money to pay her own cell phone bill, buy Caylee clothes, etc... Even with all the "supporting documentation" Casey provided, she never produced a checkstub. Cindy can't have it both ways. She wants on one hand for LE to believe she knew everything about CAYLEE and Casey's life, the little details (like the Zanny had an accident story which by the way had more twists and turns than a rollercoaster ride at Univeral) but yet she didn't know that Casey did not have a real job. She knew that the Sports Authority job was a lie.... I'm just not convinced.:smile:

Well, I think Cindy would have called her on it, but I do agree with you, I think Cindy was prone to half-heartedly believe Casey and that she had a job. I also agree that there was so many signs pointing to this all being fabricated about the job...

I do recall that Casey had posted a photo of herself at some club on her myspace page, and Cindy saw it, and called her and said "what's this? I thought you told me you were working???" or something to that effect. That sort of tells me that Cindy was at least semi-surprised to see the photo of her at the nightclub. IMO

[Dick Tracy]

Got you, I could use a friendly poke here and there but remember this

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thanks.... Great tune.... that's an OLD song, still great!

[seeing_eye]

Good Night All! Sleep well.

Good night to you. And I'm saying Good Night too. Enjoyed it, y'all!

[Lapis]

Can barely keep my eyes open and mind clear. Its after two here. Nite all. Enjoyed posting with you.

[Postergeist]

IT WAS! ITA. She just stopped showing up over there, was never formally canned at Universal's HR department, so she probably had all that stuff.

But the fake e-mails I found fascinating.

Look Mom, here's another e-mail from Tom Manley.. He wants me and Juliette to go to Tampa for a few weeks. Darn it.

ah-Cindy wasn't able to bust Casey on the fake emails- but yet, Casey sure could bust her mom on impersonating Casey in emails (per Annie D.'s depo) so both daughter and mother seemed to be the pros of tricking others.

imo

[crimeq]

She probably intended to not report their deaths. Hide the bodies and tell everyone they moved away.

I think so too. She was talking to Amy and TonE about having the house to herself. Amy had filled out a change of address card with the US Post Office and her mail was being delivered there.

Casey had killed Caylee and at this point, was getting away with it. Lying like crazy and nobody was really paying attention. I think she believed she had pulled off the perfect murder with Caylee, and she was moving on to Cindy and George.

She thought she was getting away with what she had done to Caylee, was living her life just fine, just like normal, just like what she wanted. Cindy and George were next.

Does anyone know about when Casey told Amy she would be getting the Ant house, and Amy could move in with her? If it was after she'd killed Caylee, I think Casey had gotten very secure in her ability to kill and hide, as it were, and she was ready to go on to the next level--her parents.

[crimeq]

Maybe that's why Casey had to have the fake e-mail accounts and the network of fake names and messages, and a Universal Studios ID on a lanyard to make it look all official for Cindy's sake. I mean, when you read about the messages coming from fictitious characters that supposedly worked at Universal, she really "worked" that part of the story, almost to perfection. She made it look like she really HAD a job over there. It's devious planning, I tell you.

So where was she getting her money from, Dick? Casey had to work VERY hard at pretending and proving she had a job. That tells me that it was important for Casey to make C&G think she had a job, but she wasn't doing anything all day, and covering that up, too? Why not just get a job? That's so much easier.

Casey had some kind of money coming in. (Yes, she was stealing also, but unlikely that was what supported her for two years.)

[aproudmom]

Good Morning everyone well for me it is morning..got to catch up have not been on since yesterday afternoon so I am way behind..

have a wonderful day..

[aproudmom]

So where was she getting her money from, Dick? Casey had to work VERY hard at pretending and proving she had a job. That tells me that it was important for Casey to make C&G think she had a job, but she wasn't doing anything all day, and covering that up, too? Why not just get a job? That's so much easier.

Casey had some kind of money coming in. (Yes, she was stealing also, but unlikely that was what supported her for two years.)

I am still in ah over how she was able to fake it for almost 2yrs..I am sorry but I would know if my children were working and how much they made weekly especially if they had a child and lived in my home...I would like to know just where she went she had to have went somewhere when C and G were home..

[aproudmom]

I think so too. She was talking to Amy and TonE about having the house to herself. Amy had filled out a change of address card with the US Post Office and her mail was being delivered there.

Casey had killed Caylee and at this point, was getting away with it. Lying like crazy and nobody was really paying attention. I think she believed she had pulled off the perfect murder with Caylee, and she was moving on to Cindy and George.

She thought she was getting away with what she had done to Caylee, was living her life just fine, just like normal, just like what she wanted. Cindy and George were next.

Does anyone know about when Casey told Amy she would be getting the Ant house, and Amy could move in with her? If it was after she'd killed Caylee, I think Casey had gotten very secure in her ability to kill and hide, as it were, and she was ready to go on to the next level--her parents.

yeah didn't she even tell Amy she had 10 keys made to the house..and she did not want Amy to have her car towed to her parents house so she told her to bring it to TonEs even though Amy thought she was going to be moving in there and didn't want to spend the money to have it move again..all I have to say is Casey needs to drink some of her own KC Kool-Aid

[Myka]

I think so too. She was talking to Amy and TonE about having the house to herself. Amy had filled out a change of address card with the US Post Office and her mail was being delivered there.

Casey had killed Caylee and at this point, was getting away with it. Lying like crazy and nobody was really paying attention. I think she believed she had pulled off the perfect murder with Caylee, and she was moving on to Cindy and George.

She thought she was getting away with what she had done to Caylee, was living her life just fine, just like normal, just like what she wanted. Cindy and George were next.

Does anyone know about when Casey told Amy she would be getting the Ant house, and Amy could move in with her? If it was after she'd killed Caylee, I think Casey had gotten very secure in her ability to kill and hide, as it were, and she was ready to go on to the next level--her parents.

I see this alot, how Casey might have killed her parents........however, what would see do with Lee? Kill him too?

[aproudmom]

well I am talking to myself.:biggrin:.so I will catch up since I am way behind...and sure a new thread will be opened up soon..

[djmsmom]

I was just reviewing the post and the debate on if Cindy knew or not that Casey wasn't working. If the reason C and G split up after Caylee was born, was that Casey was out of control, then maybe one of the conditions of his returning home was that Casey found a job and got her life together. So Cindy was backing Casey even though she had huge doubts about it.