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farrahrani

06-01-2009, 02:34 PM

I may very well be wrong, because the doc dumps haven't shown anything promising thus far, but I really believe the State has a thing or two that will tie Casey directly to the remains of her Daughter.

ITA!

Does anyone remember a picture of Casey holding a cellphone, standing around with other females? It was one of a group of pictures. I always thought it was her cellphone though the ownership was never confirmed. On the phone were stickers...a clover...a HEART...made me wonder if it was the same sticker found on the duct tape.

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 02:36 PM

PROPROS

06-01-2009, 02:36 PM

I think she was arrrested because she lied about her job. :laugh: :wink:Didn't CA tell LK that...Arrested because she lied about her job,on a whim, with no evidence...Talk about needing to wake-up and smell the coffee..mo

5boxersmom

06-01-2009, 02:37 PM

I thought of this last night when GR was talking about leaks. I remember seeing some of John Gotti's jailhouse visits released. He was talking to his daughter Victoria in one about recipes. Does anyone remember that? Why was those released?

tia jmo

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 02:37 PM

ITA!

Does anyone remember a picture of Casey holding a cellphone, standing around with other females? It was one of a group of pictures. I always thought it was her cellphone though the ownership was never confirmed. On the phone were stickers...a clover...a HEART...made me wonder if it was the same sticker found on the duct tape.

I think Casey thought she was being real compassionate when she placed the heart sticker on the duct tape.

PROPROS

06-01-2009, 02:39 PM

I may very well be wrong, because the doc dumps haven't shown anything promising thus far, but I really believe the State has a thing or two that will tie Casey directly to the remains of her Daughter.Hope so msgatorslayer...You and I have watched a few death penalty trials together and it seems ( for the most part) the state had all their ducks in a row...IMO, if the evidence wasn't there they would not have put the death penalty back on the table..mo

AMS

06-01-2009, 02:39 PM

Didn't CA tell LK that...Arrested because she lied about her job,on a whim, with no evidence...Talk about needing to wake-up and smell the coffee..mo

...and the reason she was not going to work was to spend more time with Caylee. IIRC.

imo

joolz

06-01-2009, 02:40 PM

Oh give me a break. Geraldo is a reporter and for him to refer to all this discovery info. being released as per the Florida Sunshine Laws as "leaking" is ridiculous. As a member of the press he knows better. Wish I hadn't seen the Geraldo clip. He's coasting on the fumes of a once bright and promising career. Sad.

Geraldo is also a lawyer, so that makes it double-dumb on his part! jmo

ish

06-01-2009, 02:40 PM

"Professor" Lyan will most likely not want to take time off from her "teaching" so look for a trial during the summertime. Summer of 2010? More likely Summer of 2011 or 2012. Unless Lyon is successful in getting the death penalty taken back off the table, which would mean that her job is done. (IMO, she is only on the team for that reason, and Baez has no intentions of letting her take over "his case")

you are so correct, IMO. If the Death Penalty remains on the table, we will see little or none of Ms Lyon until the penalty phase. Her only interest is keeping people off DR. She cares nothing for innocence or guilt.

GIGI4256

06-01-2009, 02:43 PM

"Professor" Lyan will most likely not want to take time off from her "teaching" so look for a trial during the summertime. Summer of 2010? More likely Summer of 2011 or 2012. Unless Lyon is successful in getting the death penalty taken back off the table, which would mean that her job is done. (IMO, she is only on the team for that reason, and Baez has no intentions of letting her take over "his case")

And Casey doesn't mind staying in jail because she thinks eventually she will get out.

ish

06-01-2009, 02:44 PM

I think she was arrrested because she lied about her job. :laugh: :wink:

that's why they are "mad" at her and seeking the death penalty, just cause of a couple of mis-truths, or maybe it was the half-lies. Either way they're just being mean and spiteful.

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 02:45 PM

you are so correct, IMO. If the Death Penalty remains on the table, we will see little or none of Ms Lyon until the penalty phase. Her only interest is keeping people off DR. She cares nothing for innocence or guilt.

But won't she have to be there for the whole thing? I thought was the whole point of having her join the team. They needed a DPQ attorney.

I wonder how many cases she pleaded versus actually going to a jury.

msgatorslayer

06-01-2009, 02:47 PM

...and the reason she was not going to work was to spend more time with Caylee. IIRC.

imo

I can't believe that came out of Cindy's mouth. FGS!! The lengths she will go to. :cursing:

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 02:48 PM

ish

06-01-2009, 02:48 PM

But won't she have to be there for the whole thing? I thought was the whole point of having her join the team. They needed a DPQ attorney.

I wonder how many cases she pleaded versus actually going to a jury.

I thought she just had to be "on the team" maybe one of the lawyers on board knows if she would have to be present for the whole trial, a portion of it or just the penalty phase.

Pam1569

06-01-2009, 02:48 PM

And Casey doesn't mind staying in jail because she thinks eventually she will get out.

Hi GIGI, I have been thinking of OC not minding staying in jail, but for the main reasoning that JB has told her that she will get off scott free from these charges but will get timed served for her check/fraud charges and get released right away. To me this is what JB has promised to his girl. jmo

Dick Tracy

06-01-2009, 02:49 PM

Well according to the OC, the only reason they put the death penalty back on the table was to force a plea...Then again, according to the OC, she was arrested on "a whim"...As if the state has nothing better to do...mo

The state of Florida has the goods. There's a 100% link to the crime scene from the Anthony home, Casey, or the trunk of her car. Or, all three. We just don't know what it is. YET.

Who said they have to show their hand all at once?

cassidy

06-01-2009, 02:49 PM

I can't believe that came out of Cindy's mouth. FGS!! The lengths she will go to. :cursing:

I think Cindy really believes the things that fall out of her mouth :ohmy:

cassidy

06-01-2009, 02:51 PM

Hi GIGI, I have been thinking of OC not minding staying in jail, but for the main reasoning that JB has told her that she will get off scott free from these charges but will get timed served for her check/fraud charges and get released right away. To me this is what JB has promised to his girl. jmo

AhHa! I think you may be on to something there!
JMO

ish

06-01-2009, 02:51 PM

Hi GIGI, I have been thinking of OC not minding staying in jail, but for the main reasoning that JB has told her that she will get off scott free from these charges but will get timed served for her check/fraud charges and get released right away. To me this is what JB has promised to his girl. jmo

I wonder when this is all over, will Casey be mad at JB for telling her those couple of mis-truths ? :rolleyes:

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 02:51 PM

The state of Florida has the goods. There's a 100% link to the crime scene from the Anthony home, Casey, or the trunk of her car. Or, all three. We just don't know what it is. YET.

Who said they have to show their hand all at once?

Is there a rhyme or reason for the evidence they release? If they are holding some really good evidence, then how can they hold it back and what determines what does get released?

ish

06-01-2009, 02:53 PM

My son is home sick today. He was watching Batman On Demand. He told me that On Demand has all these cool things including updates on the Casey Anthony case. I got excited and said, "Really?" and then he told me he was just joking.

quite the little jokester, your son. I guess he doesn't know how seriously we take these things.:laugh:

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 02:53 PM

IMO the problem with that is, the OC has nothing to bargain with. Had she agreed to this prior to the discovery of Caylee's remains she might have been able to bargain for LWOP, or even a lesser charge, if she made a full confession based on an accident.

Now that there is so much evidence, the body, the heartshaped sticker and whatever else was found prior to and since, she has nothing to offer the pros. It isn't in their best interests to bargain with her now, imo, my guess is their case must be pretty solid or they wouldn't have put the DP back up to begin with.

Didn't you hear the defense. There WAS NO sticker. There was NO DUCT tape. Now, who do you think is lying? Baez or the prosecution with their evidence photos. IF you believe the defense, EVERYONE is a liar EXCEPT Casey and Bae. Based on history, I'll take it that the prosecution is telling the truth.

Here's something else interesting. If Baez was kept from his client for a "significant" amount of time, why doesn't he state the actual time he was delayed. Significant has no meaning. It's an opinion, not a fact. My hunch is that it wasn't very long at all - maybe the usual waiting time. Significant sounds so much more significant than, say, 30 minutes.

Dick Tracy

06-01-2009, 02:53 PM

And Casey doesn't mind staying in jail because she thinks eventually she will get out.

By the time this trial rolls around, they just may have to roll the OC to the defense table. As it stands now, when she hauls azz, she has to make two trips.

Too bad the OCSO wasn't over a bank or financial institution on the second floor. Then Casey could proudly say her assets over milllions of millions of dollars.

ish

06-01-2009, 02:54 PM

I think Cindy really believes the things that fall out of her mouth :ohmy:

Cindy shouldn't be believe the things that came out of her at all, especially her daughter!!

Pam1569

06-01-2009, 02:55 PM

AhHa! I think you may be on to something there!
JMO

cassidy, Do you think this is the AHA moment that JB might have meant, but not for the public but for the OC instead. :biggrin:

Pam1569

06-01-2009, 02:56 PM

I wonder when this is all over, will Casey be mad at JB for telling her those couple of mis-truths ? :rolleyes:

ish, OC could never be mad at him. :lol:

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 02:56 PM

I wonder when this is all over, will Casey be mad at JB for telling her those couple of mis-truths ? :rolleyes:It depends on if they let her serve time for all charges concurrently or not. You only get one day off for good behavior for every 10 days served. OF course, a lot depends on how crowded Florida prisons and jails are.

bchand

06-01-2009, 02:57 PM

Buttoneyes

06-01-2009, 02:59 PM

JUNE 2010 for trial. Hope she is wrong. I have to start weaving baskets or something to stay sane instead of watching Bozo team.
(maiden voyage, again)

You and me both, Sus, and welcome.:thumbup:

Unleashed

06-01-2009, 02:59 PM

I noticed that Kathi along with other reporters didn't march their butts over to the building across the street to ask any hard questions. :lol:

They may have been waiting for it to hold a press conference. :laugh:

nothingnew

06-01-2009, 03:03 PM

Right, exactly why these serial killers have the upper hand. When compared to a man who kills his wife, they have more protection against the DP because they have secrets to reveal in exchange for their lives. IMO

I do believe Scott Peterson was offered a deal before Laci was found, of course he hadn't been charged with anything until then but opportunity knocked and he didn't answer.

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 03:04 PM

lolol I love your son.

My husband usually asks me what's new in the case every now and then. But it is so hard to tell what happened one day without haivng all the info. So, we were out to dinner the other night and we talked about the case. They know I am hooked.

I am such a news junkie!!!!!

bchand

06-01-2009, 03:06 PM

My husband usually asks me what's new in the case every now and then. But it is so hard to tell what happened one day without haivng all the info. So, we were out to dinner the other night and we talked about the case. They know I am hooked.

I am such a news junkie!!!!!

Oh my husband and I do that too. We discuss the case and then he gets annoyed if I knew something and didn't tell him.

You forget how much you know sometimes. lol

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 03:09 PM

Oh my husband and I do that too. We discuss the case and then he gets annoyed if I knew something and didn't tell him.

You forget how much you know sometimes. lol

I think my husband would be representative of the typical person not following the case. When I updated him, he could not believe it. He may have said something like "Why don't they just put her away and throw away the key".

5boxersmom

06-01-2009, 03:20 PM

The prosecution is simply treating Casey like the killer that she is. She doesn't have to be a serial killer in order to deserve the DP, at least IMO. The murder of your own 2 year old daughter is more than plenty to warrant the DP.

Yep. GR acts like Oh well she only killed one person.:rolleyes:

imo

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 03:21 PM

I do believe Scott Peterson was offered a deal before Laci was found, of course he hadn't been charged with anything until then but opportunity knocked and he didn't answer.I believe he was offered the same deal as was offered Casey - no dp if he would reveal the location of the body. Fool that he is, he turned it down. Look where he sits today.

*MoonRider*

06-01-2009, 03:23 PM

TunaMelt

06-01-2009, 03:23 PM

I think my husband would be representative of the typical person not following the case. When I updated him, he could not believe it. He may have said something like "Why don't they just put her away and throw away the key".

I think we're married to the same guy. :scared:

:sneaky:

:wink:

Katprint

06-01-2009, 03:25 PM

I do believe Scott Peterson was offered a deal before Laci was found, of course he hadn't been charged with anything until then but opportunity knocked and he didn't answer.
Hans Reiser also turned down a deal (Voluntary Manslaughter - mid term 5 years, IIRC.) He was sure the jury would not convict him because his wife's body had not been found. He was convicted of First Degree Murder (25 to life) then bargained down to Second Degree Murder (15 to life) by agreeing to disclose where he dumped his wife's body.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 03:25 PM

Dells

06-01-2009, 03:25 PM

Yep. GR acts like Oh well she only killed one person.:rolleyes:

imo

That's exactly the same attitude that Cindy's has. Oh well, she was only pictured at Fusion that one time after Caylee went missing.... Or, she only stole from her grandparents one time and it was under $50....:rolleyes: Neither one which was true, btw.:sneaky:

TunaMelt

06-01-2009, 03:25 PM

Vigil Planned For Anniversary Of Caylee's Death
Some of the many people who helped search for slain toddler Caylee Anthony are planning a vigil to mark the one year anniversary of her death.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19624303/detail.html

Well, that ought to make somebody named Cindy really mad. June 16th? She won't like that at all.

:sneaky:

Neither will Bozo and his crew.
:w00t:

TunaMelt

06-01-2009, 03:27 PM

Oh,my, Cindy's not gonna like that one unless she can control it. jmo

The first thing she'll want to do is change that date.

crimeq

06-01-2009, 03:27 PM

Oh,my, Cindy's not gonna like that one unless she can control it. jmo

Maybe she won't be invited :sneaky:.

joolz

06-01-2009, 03:29 PM

Maybe she won't be invited :sneaky:.

Why should she be? She never searched for Caylee.:angry:

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 03:32 PM

*MoonRider*

06-01-2009, 03:32 PM

Why should she be? She never searched for Caylee.:angry:

IIRC she searched under the playhouse in the backyard. :rolleyes:

Steps

06-01-2009, 03:32 PM

Yep. GR acts like Oh well she only killed one person.:rolleyes:

imo

I agree. I have lost a lot of respect for GR! Like there should be a certain number of killings before you are qualified for the death penalty. I wonder how many more times he's going to have his buddy Baez on to put his spin out there to try to get sympathy from the public. It's not gonna work!!

CRRJJ

06-01-2009, 03:33 PM

joolz

06-01-2009, 03:34 PM

IIRC she searched under the playhouse in the backyard. :rolleyes:

Oops, I forgot! Do you think I need to apologize to her now?:sneaky:

msgatorslayer

06-01-2009, 03:35 PM

Vigil Planned For Anniversary Of Caylee's Death
Some of the many people who helped search for slain toddler Caylee Anthony are planning a vigil to mark the one year anniversary of her death.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19624303/detail.html

As others have said, Cindy will not like this one bit hammer.

I can't believe it's been a year. So many things keep that case in the news for us to discuss on a daily basis.

RIP Caylee. Was it really worth it, Casey? How has the past year been to ya? Is having Caylee outta the way just as glamorous as you visioned it?

5boxersmom

06-01-2009, 03:38 PM

That's exactly the same attitude that Cindy's has. Oh well, she was only pictured at Fusion that one time after Caylee went missing.... Or, she only stole from her grandparents one time and it was under $50....:rolleyes: Neither one which was true, btw.

Yep I guess in Cindy's world if you only do it once it is okay. :thumbdown: GR must agree.

She said something similiar to Jesse too about the money Casey took from him. Something like it was only $200. :rolleyes:

jmo

5boxersmom

06-01-2009, 03:39 PM

I agree. I have lost a lot of respect for GR! Like there should be a certain number of killings before you are qualified for the death penalty. I wonder how many more times he's going to have his buddy Baez on to put his spin out there to try to get sympathy from the public. It's not gonna work!!

That's all it is Spin and it is not working. :biggrin:

imo

martha

06-01-2009, 03:40 PM

Now I understand why jb is fighting so hard for the tape to stay out. If the sec.that quit her job tells all she knows that may cause him a lot of trouble. I did not understand why casey stayed at his office so much when she was out of jail. I don;t know the lay very well but could he lose his lic.over that? When I think of that it just makes me sick. If casey did not kill Caylee then why or the a;s not out looking for the person that did kill her? It just makes me sick to think about them all makaing money of of Caylee and living it up now. I know it will be a long time before they have a trial on this case but g and c need to go to work. I think when they do have a trial we will learn a lot about the a;s and what all they have been hiding. I know the def.will put the trial of as long as they can. Book deal and movie deals and they will make money every way they can on this case. JB could not live if he was not getting money from somewhere. The a;s could not live with out working if they were not getting big money from some where. jmho

CRRJJ

06-01-2009, 03:42 PM

The defense can defend the baby killer all they want. As far as I'm concerned she's not as bad as Bundy--she's much worse than Bundy. HE didn't kill a 3 year old child and he didn't kill one of his own kids. What he did was horrible but horrible is horrible and that is what KC did--and is. :cursing:

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 03:43 PM

That's exactly the same attitude that Cindy's has. Oh well, she was only pictured at Fusion that one time after Caylee went missing.... Or, she only stole from her grandparents one time and it was under $50....:rolleyes: Neither one which was true, btw.:sneaky: I thought Cindy claimed on LKL that it was only ONE picture which is a blatant lie.

ish

06-01-2009, 03:44 PM

Don't you wonder how the A's can come up with such garbage? I still think Casey had a job on the side (back) and Caylee was getting in her way as she grew older.

Did anyone ever find out why D.Casey was searching around that vacant house? I have tried to take an infant away from the house for several hours when workmen were here and believe me, it is very difficult for the child. Casey was doing that every day unless she could sneak back home if GA went to work.

I think someone was keeping her for awhile and providing housing from time to time. The NLHF got away fast when people started discussing them. The director of that had a mortgage co and had forclosed on many homes. I heard the one where D. Casey was digging around was completely furnished - the ex-owners just took their clothes.

I dont think it was tough at all for Casey. Cindy worked steady, George was the only one home, Casey had a rocky relationship with George and I think they didn't speak much. I'll bet she dumped Caylee on him to watch and went to "work" then dumped her on Cindy at night to go to "events" Amy said for a good period of time Casey and Caylee were at her house everyday. She went from friend to friend toting Caylee when she had to and once she got George on the "I'm working from home program" all she had to do was fake a few phone calls, emails and such. If George was suspicious as he says he certainly didn't do much to check things out. He left the dirty dealings with Casey to Cindy. I think Casey knew how much George loved Caylee and used it to her advantage for freedom, she used CIndy's love for Caylee as a weapon against her.

martha

06-01-2009, 03:47 PM

I thought Cindy claimed on LKL that it was only ONE picture which is a blatant lie. You or right she said there was only one picture of casey after caylee went missing.It does not matter to me how many pictures of Casey she did not tell anyone that Caylee was missing for 31 days.no mother or real mother would wait that long to tell someone her baby was missing. If they told me they would kill me then they would just have to kill me because I would have told le my baby was missing the very first min.jmho

Katprint

06-01-2009, 03:49 PM

I am a little confused with trial rules. Does the prosecutor have to divulge to the defense team all the evidence they are going to bring into the trial, or can they at sometime bring in a bombshell and blow the defense out the front door? Also, vice versa for the defense. Thanks a lot for the answer. Would be a shame if they (the prosecutor) couldn't keep some things secret. :smile:
The U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to due process of law as well as the right to confront the witnesses against you and to call witnesses in your defense. These rights have been interpreted as requiring the prosecution to divulge all of the evidence that it acquires during the court of its investigation.

The way that items are officially "entered into evidence" is that a witness testifies about the authenticity (aka "authenticates") a particular document or bullet or blood swab or lab test result, although of course sometimes the defense will agree to stipulate that something is authentic. Then other witnesses testify about why that piece of evidence is important and how it is relevant to the case.

In order to meaningfully "confront" witnesses, the defense has to know the identity of those witnesses and the subject matter of their anticipated testimony i.e. whether they were a percipient eyewitness or whether they were a police investigator who collected a particular piece of physical evidence or whether they conducted a lab test to match physical evidence collected at the scene with exemplar specimens taken from the defendant's residence or what.

The defense does not have the same duty to the prosecution. However, generally the defense is statutorily required to disclose the identity of its witnesses prior to trial, to allow the orderly administration of the courthouse schedule. Also, many states have criminal procedure statutes that require advance disclosure of defenses such as "insanity." As the evidence in a case developes, the likely defenses usually become relatively apparent to the prosecution although of course there are always surprises from time to time.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

comemonday

06-01-2009, 03:52 PM

As others have said, Cindy will not like this one bit hammer.

I can't believe it's been a year. So many things keep that case in the news for us to discuss on a daily basis.

RIP Caylee. Was it really worth it, Casey? How has the past year been to ya? Is having Caylee outta the way just as glamorous as you visioned it?

You've said it all.... poor little baby.

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 03:54 PM

I am a little confused with trial rules. Does the prosecutor have to divulge to the defense team all the evidence they are going to bring into the trial, or can they at sometime bring in a bombshell and blow the defense out the front door? Also, vice versa for the defense. Thanks a lot for the answer. Would be a shame if they (the prosecutor) couldn't keep some things secret. :smile:
There should be no surprises to the attorneys during the trial. Yes, they have to share everything, but I think the defense also has to share what they have. There is a timeline for revealing to the opposite side. Baez was screaming for discovery on the murder BEFORE KC was charged. Didn't happen. He was only entitled to discovery on the current charges against her.

Rule #1 for ALL defense attys. Claim you haven't received Discovery. It's the first thing out of every defense attorney's mouth. Information that has been released via Sunshine Law is all that has been released to the defense and it comes AFTER the defense has received it.

Mark Garegos claimed that he didn't receive discovery on a tip allegedly from a correctional officer. The defense signed for that information in April of 2004. The trial did not begin until June 2004. The defense did not investigate the tip until Dec of 2004, then tried to get the trial overturned for not being notified of the tip. Yet, his own personal private investigator was the one who signed for the document. Fortunately, the prosecution stamped every page of discovery and had it signed for which shot down the defense claims of not receiving it. There were only 40,000 pages of discovery in that case. KC still has a ways to go to top that.

Sun

06-01-2009, 04:00 PM

Dick Tracy

06-01-2009, 04:00 PM

The U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to due process of law as well as the right to confront the witnesses against you and to call witnesses in your defense. These rights have been interpreted as requiring the prosecution to divulge all of the evidence that it acquires during the court of its investigation.

The way that items are officially "entered into evidence" is that a witness testifies about the authenticity (aka "authenticates") a particular document or bullet or blood swab or lab test result, although of course sometimes the defense will agree to stipulate that something is authentic. Then other witnesses testify about why that piece of evidence is important and how it is relevant to the case.

In order to meaningfully "confront" witnesses, the defense has to know the identity of those witnesses and the subject matter of their anticipated testimony i.e. whether they were a percipient eyewitness or whether they were a police investigator who collected a particular piece of physical evidence or whether they conducted a lab test to match physical evidence collected at the scene with exemplar specimens taken from the defendant's residence or what.

The defense does not have the same duty to the prosecution. However, generally the defense is statutorily required to disclose the identity of its witnesses prior to trial, to allow the orderly administration of the courthouse schedule. Also, many states have criminal procedure statutes that require advance disclosure of defenses such as "insanity." As the evidence in a case developes, the likely defenses usually become relatively apparent to the prosecution although of course there are always surprises from time to time.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

How-do Kat.. Love reading your posts.

Are you saying in the course of the investigation, that the state has to hand any information defense immediately as it becomes available to the prosecution. In other words, does the defense have EVERYTHING at this point that the prosecution has? If the defense has it, then we have it.

PROPROS

06-01-2009, 04:09 PM

I believe he was offered the same deal as was offered Casey - no dp if he would reveal the location of the body. Fool that he is, he turned it down. Look where he sits today.Yep, and a million dollar defense at that...I was telling my DH that OC reminds me so much of SP....The smug over confident demeanor...However, even SP had a job and owned his own home...What has the OC ever contributed to society...And, I'm not talking about 1/2 the Orlando male population...mo

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 04:09 PM

Will we be seeing the depos that Baez took of Unser and Richardson any time soon? Since he filed the "amended and supplemental" motion, and quoted parts of those depos, will the depos become Discovery? He will stall. HE only quoted statements taken out of context where the officers were asked leading questions. moo

PROPROS

06-01-2009, 04:11 PM

Maybe she won't be invited :sneaky:.Maybe, they should put The Anthonys on the "banned" list this time...Give them a taste of their own medicine..mo

crimeq

06-01-2009, 04:14 PM

Maybe, they should put The Anthonys on the "banned" list this time...Give them a taste of their own medicine..mo

That's kinda what I was thinking :sneaky:

CRRJJ

06-01-2009, 04:40 PM

The U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to due process of law as well as the right to confront the witnesses against you and to call witnesses in your defense. These rights have been interpreted as requiring the prosecution to divulge all of the evidence that it acquires during the court of its investigation.

The way that items are officially "entered into evidence" is that a witness testifies about the authenticity (aka "authenticates") a particular document or bullet or blood swab or lab test result, although of course sometimes the defense will agree to stipulate that something is authentic. Then other witnesses testify about why that piece of evidence is important and how it is relevant to the case.

In order to meaningfully "confront" witnesses, the defense has to know the identity of those witnesses and the subject matter of their anticipated testimony i.e. whether they were a percipient eyewitness or whether they were a police investigator who collected a particular piece of physical evidence or whether they conducted a lab test to match physical evidence collected at the scene with exemplar specimens taken from the defendant's residence or what.

The defense does not have the same duty to the prosecution. However, generally the defense is statutorily required to disclose the identity of its witnesses prior to trial, to allow the orderly administration of the courthouse schedule. Also, many states have criminal procedure statutes that require advance disclosure of defenses such as "insanity." As the evidence in a case developes, the likely defenses usually become relatively apparent to the prosecution although of course there are always surprises from time to time.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks so much, Kat. Certainly clears up a few questions I have. Thanks again.

mickeymb35

06-01-2009, 04:43 PM

Myka

06-01-2009, 04:45 PM

she was in I think for passing bad checks, she had a great calm demeanor and seemed like a "believable person" good qualities for someone who passes bad checks. Casey is same, a lot of detail , calm etc. Look at her on that video in Target, cool as a cucumber, all the while knowing she is about to commit a criminal act. two of a kind...

and if she was in jail for passing bad checks, I doubt she would be in the same area as Casey. I would thinkl she would be in general pop, not lock down

True2Blues

06-01-2009, 04:48 PM

Maybe, they should put The Anthonys on the "banned" list this time...Give them a taste of their own medicine..mo

From the Human Race? I'll go for that.

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 04:49 PM

The U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to due process of law as well as the right to confront the witnesses against you and to call witnesses in your defense. These rights have been interpreted as requiring the prosecution to divulge all of the evidence that it acquires during the court of its investigation.

The way that items are officially "entered into evidence" is that a witness testifies about the authenticity (aka "authenticates") a particular document or bullet or blood swab or lab test result, although of course sometimes the defense will agree to stipulate that something is authentic. Then other witnesses testify about why that piece of evidence is important and how it is relevant to the case.

In order to meaningfully "confront" witnesses, the defense has to know the identity of those witnesses and the subject matter of their anticipated testimony i.e. whether they were a percipient eyewitness or whether they were a police investigator who collected a particular piece of physical evidence or whether they conducted a lab test to match physical evidence collected at the scene with exemplar specimens taken from the defendant's residence or what.

The defense does not have the same duty to the prosecution. However, generally the defense is statutorily required to disclose the identity of its witnesses prior to trial, to allow the orderly administration of the courthouse schedule. Also, many states have criminal procedure statutes that require advance disclosure of defenses such as "insanity." As the evidence in a case developes, the likely defenses usually become relatively apparent to the prosecution although of course there are always surprises from time to time.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Kat....In this whole set of rules....PLEASE TELL ME that the people do not have to pay for this womans EXPERT WITNESSES (like Lee)....If that were the case, it seems that all the 'unjustly convicted' poor people, minorities, and others without good counsel would have the right to have this same provision....Im not getting this part of it at all....

Myka

06-01-2009, 04:50 PM

Oh,my, Cindy's not gonna like that one unless she can control it. jmo

Cindy will say on that date a yr ago, Caylee was with the Nanny so how could she be dead? :sneaky:

ish

06-01-2009, 04:52 PM

Cindy will say on that date a yr ago, Caylee was with the Nanny so how could she be dead? :sneaky:

Yeah, Cindy didn't even know she was missing yet!! how could she be dead.:confused:

Barbara fl.

06-01-2009, 05:08 PM

Cindy will say on that date a yr ago, Caylee was with the Nanny so how could she be dead? :sneaky:

And don't forget....Zanny's dog was there and he'll contest to it....:rolleyes:

Katprint

06-01-2009, 05:09 PM

How-do Kat.. Love reading your posts.

Are you saying in the course of the investigation, that the state has to hand any information defense immediately as it becomes available to the prosecution. In other words, does the defense have EVERYTHING at this point that the prosecution has? If the defense has it, then we have it.
Due Process requires that the prosecution has to have handed over everything by the time the trial begins. Florida criminal procedure statutes (which I am not particularly familiar with since I don't practice in Florida) appear to require the prosecution to hand it over as soon as is reasonably possible, certainly faster than is required in California. In California, the prosecution isn't required to hand it over while they are still using it for purposes of the investigation. For example, if the prosecution interviews a drive-by shooting victim's friends and relatives and thereby obtains important information concerning the identities of accomplices (e.g. driver and lookout) as well as the defendant shooter, the prosecution does not have to immediately fax copies of those statements over to the defendant's attorney. Instead, the prosecution could complete its investigation then hand over transcripts/recordings of the statements so long as the defense has a sufficient opportunity to review, analyze, investigate, perhaps take its own interviews/depositions of those friends and relatives, and otherwise utilize this information.

Also, normally the bulk of the investigation is completed before any arrest is made. The most normal thing that happens when I appear at the arraignment is that I am given a "discovery" packet along with the criminal complaint/charging documents, and that packet contains (for example) a copy of the police report, witness statements, crime lab results, etc. The Casey Anthony case is different because so much of the investigation occurred after the initial arrest - in particular, anything to do with the evidence discovered with Caylee's remains. So that weird timing issue is also affecting the release of information.

I wish we had a Florida attorney posting on these boards!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

FrankieBones1

06-01-2009, 05:13 PM

Katprint

06-01-2009, 05:13 PM

Kat....In this whole set of rules....PLEASE TELL ME that the people do not have to pay for this womans EXPERT WITNESSES (like Lee)....If that were the case, it seems that all the 'unjustly convicted' poor people, minorities, and others without good counsel would have the right to have this same provision....Im not getting this part of it at all....
What I have seen happen in a case where the defendant's relatives hired a lawyer but could not afford to pay for extensive medical/psychological testing and experts, was that the public defender was associated in so that the public defender could arrange for the necessary testing and expert witnesses. I understand that the State of Florida has a standard fee schedule for expert witnesses, so those expert witnesses would either have to accept that (relatively low) fee or else the defense would have to find some other way to pay the additional amount for those expert witnesses.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Lapis

06-01-2009, 05:18 PM

Due Process requires that the prosecution has to have handed over everything by the time the trial begins. Florida criminal procedure statutes (which I am not particularly familiar with since I don't practice in Florida) appear to require the prosecution to hand it over as soon as is reasonably possible, certainly faster than is required in California. In California, the prosecution isn't required to hand it over while they are still using it for purposes of the investigation. For example, if the prosecution interviews a drive-by shooting victim's friends and relatives and thereby obtains important information concerning the identities of accomplices (e.g. driver and lookout) as well as the defendant shooter, the prosecution does not have to immediately fax copies of those statements over to the defendant's attorney. Instead, the prosecution could complete its investigation then hand over transcripts/recordings of the statements so long as the defense has a sufficient opportunity to review, analyze, investigate, perhaps take its own interviews/depositions of those friends and relatives, and otherwise utilize this information.

Also, normally the bulk of the investigation is completed before any arrest is made. The most normal thing that happens when I appear at the arraignment is that I am given a "discovery" packet along with the criminal complaint/charging documents, and that packet contains (for example) a copy of the police report, witness statements, crime lab results, etc. The Casey Anthony case is different because so much of the investigation occurred after the initial arrest - in particular, anything to do with the evidence discovered with Caylee's remains. So that weird timing issue is also affecting the release of information.

I wish we had a Florida attorney posting on these boards!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Kat, this is my experience as well. Don't forget the bill for the discovery is also included in the packet. JMO

crimeq

06-01-2009, 05:26 PM

Kat, this is my experience as well. Don't forget the bill for the discovery is also included in the packet. JMO

Oh Lapis, I saw your "Rest in peace, Lapis kitty" and I have tears in my eyes and an ache in my heart for you. I've had two wonderful Siamese sweeties, both now in kitty-cat heaven. My thoughts are with you.

*MoonRider*

06-01-2009, 05:47 PM

oh, oh - Baez is not going to like that. He thought that was all free like the other things he complained about not receiving because he would not pay.

Welcome Sus3. I can't wait until we find out who is financing the defense besides Caylee. :sad:

djmsmom

06-01-2009, 05:47 PM

Was unable to read the board for 2 days, has anything new happened?
Also see alot of new posters or old posters with new dresses????

*MoonRider*

06-01-2009, 05:57 PM

Was unable to read the board for 2 days, has anything new happened?
Also see alot of new posters or old posters with new dresses????

Only thing new that I know of is Vigil Planned For Anniversary Of Caylee's Death
Event Slated For June 16
http://www.wesh.com/news/19624303/detail.html

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 06:00 PM

Was unable to read the board for 2 days, has anything new happened?
Also see alot of new posters or old posters with new dresses????

the usual FRUSTRATIONS ....but thats just me.

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 06:15 PM

Lol. That's funny. I hope your son feels better.

Thanks. We just got back from the doctor. He has a fever but no strept at least from the first test. So we'll see how he feels tonight and tomorrow. Even when he is sick, he is funny.

Dick Tracy

06-01-2009, 06:17 PM

It seems, from what I have read, that it is pretty likely that all of the evidence has been handed over to the defense by now. Does this mean we (the public) are not likely to see any "new" evidence that we have not already been made aware of?

Some people seem to be hoping that the state still has some cards up their sleeve but wouldn't they all have been played by now?

:smile:

dats a good question. There are some areas of evidence that dont' seem to be released, in the flow of things that we've received.

Like Maggot Evidence!

Or_is_it?

06-01-2009, 06:28 PM

Also, the prints on the duct tape. We know whose weren't on there but Casey's name was not mentioned as to whether they were or were not. Dr G., in her medical report ruled the case a homocide based on her exam as well as the police report which outlined certain things that were at the location where Caylee was discovered. We do not know the details of what caused her to rule the death as a homocide - it was put in a very general way.

Generally speaking, as soon as evidence is handed over to the defense, does it seem to find its way online relatively quickly for the general public or can the defense "protect" that evidence in some way.

:confused:

Head/mouth wrapped in duct tape, triple bagged, 2 garbage bags, 1 laundry bag and thrown in the woods.

This isn't rocket science of why it was ruled a homocide.

101Spots

06-01-2009, 06:34 PM

Whoever said hell was reserved only for serial killers? That comment by the defense had my eyes rolling. As if killing an innocent, defenseless 2 year old baby, driving around in hot whether with her in the trunk decomposing and throwing her away like garbage is somehow "better". Oh, and let's not forget the heart shape sticker - a most cruel and sadistic statement.

So I fail to see where Bundy is worse just because he performed more murders. I certainly do wish the THs would counter some of these outrageous statements.

Playing catch-up here, so please pardon the late comment.

Bundy killed many times before he was caught.

Casey killed only once before she was caught.

Who's to say what might have happened if she had not been stopped? She might be a very stoopid serial killer interruptus.

apothecary

06-01-2009, 06:35 PM

Think the initials GR. IMO, he has some way devised an indirect association with this case that is designed to gain/profit him and/or his network.

Keep watching GR. It is so predictable the position he will take. One could easily place a bet on a sure thing.

Again, IMO.
I think GR is involved in the financing of the defense.Why would a family want to remain anonymous if they felt they were doing the right thing in paying for this defense.It seems to me that they would not want to hide their support of a worthy cause.Why keep it secret?The only thing that I think has to be kept secret is shady dealing behind the scenes.i think there is media money and GR behind this.Why is GR so pro Casey?Would he be like this if it were one of his own kids killed?I think he just wants to keep the circus going and interest in the case stoked.

ttcRider

06-01-2009, 06:40 PM

djmsmom

06-01-2009, 06:41 PM

I think there is enough evidence already
1. Caylee last seen with Casey with no explaination where or when she "loses her".
2. Seen renting movies same day with no Caylee, no explanation where she is.
3. Not reporting her missing at all.
4. Partying and never even mentioning her child to anyone. Being seen and interacting with tons of friends and being carefree.
5. Leaving car with decomp smell and hair with deathband, and traces of chlorophorm.
6. Lieing to LE and children and youth. Not helping LE search for her child, or giving and reasonable explanation for her disapearance.
7. Body being found close to her home with same clothes as last seen in.
8. Babys body being found wrapped in pooh blanket, garbage bags, and laundry bag, with duct tape that matches duct tape on gas cans, and heart sticker. When numerous pictures and papers in KC's room has hearts stickers all over.
If I was on a jury I wouldn't have any reasonable doubt.

Pretty Leaf

06-01-2009, 06:48 PM

Dr. G also made mention of her medical exam. I was more wondering if there was anything she noticed that she did not comment on. I am aware of the duct tape, bags, etc. You and I would immediately think murder. I simply wondered if there was anything she noticed that would have definitely made it a homocide rather than an accident wherein someone freaked out and dumped the body to get rid of it.

IOW, could there be any other evidence that we do not already know about.

Absolutely, she is a forensic coroner and she deals with the body. The body must have some clue as to a homicide. She cannot say who did it but what was done to it.

Her findings IMO would not include botonists or maggot evidence as that will show a possible time frame..she is dealing with bones, there is something we don't know for sure.

Love Dr. G.

crimeq

06-01-2009, 06:54 PM

Playing catch-up here, so please pardon the late comment.

Bundy killed many times before he was caught.

Casey killed only once before she was caught.

Who's to say what might have happened if she had not been stopped? She might be a very stoopid serial killer interruptus.

Casey was planning on living in the Ant home as hers, with C&G "gone"--and had even invited Amy to move in with her. And she told TonE he would soon be able to visit her at the Ant home when it was all hers.

And she researched strange things online, such as neck-breaking and self-defense.

It's entirely possible that killing Caylee was only her first stop for what she saw to be an unencumbered existence.

5boxersmom

06-01-2009, 06:57 PM

Absolutely, she is a forensic coroner and she deals with the body. The body must have some clue as to a homicide. She cannot say who did it but what was done to it.

Her findings IMO would not include botonists or maggot evidence as that will show a possible time frame..she is dealing with bones, there is something we don't know for sure.

Love Dr. G.

I love Dr. G too. Wonder what made the defense quit bashing her? They use to bash her for her tv show. Is it because they sealed the autopsy? It use to make me so mad when they would do that to her.

jmo

Pruddennce

06-01-2009, 07:02 PM

Only thing new that I know of is Vigil Planned For Anniversary Of Caylee's Death
Event Slated For June 16
http://www.wesh.com/news/19624303/detail.html

no Cindy? I hope so. I would think not since the date doesnt coincide with her beliefs.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 07:12 PM

:confused:

Head/mouth wrapped in duct tape, triple bagged, 2 garbage bags, 1 laundry bag and thrown in the woods.

This isn't rocket science of why it was ruled a homocide.

Actually....all that says is that somebody IMPROPERLY disposed of a corpse.....sad but true....that in itself isnt enough for homicide...

Unleashed

06-01-2009, 07:14 PM

Absolutely, she is a forensic coroner and she deals with the body. The body must have some clue as to a homicide. She cannot say who did it but what was done to it.

Her findings IMO would not include botonists or maggot evidence as that will show a possible time frame..she is dealing with bones, there is something we don't know for sure.

Love Dr. G.

This has probably been around many times, but if the Pros has something from Dr. G., wouldn't the Def have it, so shouldn't we have it? I forget. :blink:

Or_is_it?

06-01-2009, 07:16 PM

This was ruled as a homocide before December 11, 2008 was it not?:rolleyes:
JMO

Casey story coupled with the trunk evidence - sure was!

Couple that with the way Caylee's remains were found and that says it all in light of what Casey isn't saying.

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 07:16 PM

Playing catch-up here, so please pardon the late comment.

Bundy killed many times before he was caught.

Casey killed only once before she was caught.

Who's to say what might have happened if she had not been stopped? She might be a very stoopid serial killer interruptus.

Casey killed only once before..........at least that is what we think. My husband asked me if she ever killed anyone else. I never gave it a thought till he asked me. The only thing I can think of is the Blanchard Park killing. And someone said something about being tied to Jennifer Kesse.

Steps

06-01-2009, 07:17 PM

ITA - I could easily convict based on what I know at this moment. I started feeling uneasy when the new attorney came on board, plus I have seen other posters (not on this board) who are saying they cannot prove that Casey actually killed her, that it is only circumstancial, blah blah, etc. etc.

Guess I just want to convince myself that there is no way the OC will get out of this, that she will at least spend her entire life in jail without ever tasting freedom again. Ever.

I'm not worried that this case is made up on circumstancial evidence. I believe most cases are. Plenty of people have been convicted without eyewitnesses or direct evidence. The crime scene evidence and forensics, along with all of Casey's lies will convict her in front of any senseable juror. MOO, of course

Or_is_it?

06-01-2009, 07:18 PM

Actually....all that says is that somebody IMPROPERLY disposed of a corpse.....sad but true....that in itself isnt enough for homicide...

I strongly disagree.

desmom

06-01-2009, 07:19 PM

Casey Anthony case: Jail officials tell attorneys what happened on Dec. 11
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-case-jail-officials060109,0,1658927.story

More than 200 pages of transcripts from interviews with two Orange County Jail officials were filed in court this afternoon....

desmom

06-01-2009, 07:22 PM

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 07:22 PM

Kat, this is my experience as well. Don't forget the bill for the discovery is also included in the packet. JMO
IIRC Baez didn't pick up some of the Discovery he was demanded in the case early on because he didn't wnat to pay the $80 or $90 to get it. HBe sure doesn't seemt o have a problem paying for anything now,does he?

Or_is_it?

06-01-2009, 07:24 PM

Caylee Anthony: Vigil to be held June 16, WESH reports
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/caylee-anthony-vigil-to-be-held-june-16.html

WESH's Bob Kealing also discussed Andrea Lyon.....He cited two cases: In one before the Illinois Supreme Court, she re-enacted a crime. In another case, she handcuffed herself to a railing to depict how investigators got a confession from her client.

Hmmm I believe Casey was offered Candy when she was arrested the last time and a soda. :shrug:

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 07:24 PM

and if she was in jail for passing bad checks, I doubt she would be in the same area as Casey. I would thinkl she would be in general pop, not lock down I do not believe that Casey is located in an area that only includes lock down. More likely she is in a gen pop area and SHE is in lockdown. If not, they would not have to clear the day room area to let her out of her cell.

jammies

06-01-2009, 07:26 PM

Hmmm I believe Casey was offered Candy when she was arrested the last time and a soda. :shrug:

If they only knew her penchant for pork rinds she might have spilled her guts.

ish

06-01-2009, 07:29 PM

Caylee Anthony: Vigil to be held June 16, WESH reports
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/caylee-anthony-vigil-to-be-held-june-16.html

WESH's Bob Kealing also discussed Andrea Lyon.....He cited two cases: In one before the Illinois Supreme Court, she re-enacted a crime. In another case, she handcuffed herself to a railing to depict how investigators got a confession from her client.

well lets send her some duct tape, a heart shaped sticker, garbage bags and a laundry bag and lets see what she can do with them.

desmom

06-01-2009, 07:30 PM

ish

06-01-2009, 07:30 PM

If they only knew her penchant for pork rinds she might have spilled her guts.

or gum.......

Or_is_it?

06-01-2009, 07:30 PM

If they only knew her penchant for pork rinds she might have spilled her guts.

:laugh::laugh:

and :: <---poptarts

True2Blues

06-01-2009, 07:32 PM

Caylee Anthony: Vigil to be held June 16, WESH reports
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/caylee-anthony-vigil-to-be-held-june-16.html

WESH's Bob Kealing also discussed Andrea Lyon.....He cited two cases: In one before the Illinois Supreme Court, she re-enacted a crime. In another case, she handcuffed herself to a railing to depict how investigators got a confession from her client.

So, she's a closet actor? Big into the Drama type presentations in court it sounds like. I thought Casey's interviews were video taped? There shouldn't be a need for reinactments.

desmom

06-01-2009, 07:40 PM

IIRC Baez didn't pick up some of the Discovery he was demanded in the case early on because he didn't wnat to pay the $80 or $90 to get it. HBe sure doesn't seemt o have a problem paying for anything now,does he?

It was $980.

Kathi Belich, WFTV, talked about the cds on NG's 12/08 show. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/08/ng.01.html

Belich: There is a $980 charge. It took the sheriff`s office 50 hours to put these things together. I don`t know. Is it the money? We don`t know. The defense has given us several different reasons for not picking them up, none of which make any sense...First they said that it wasn`t what they asked for -- first they told me I was lying that they were even sitting there. Then I told them I had video of that. And then they said that they weren`t what they had asked for. But I didn`t know how they would know that if they hadn`t picked them up yet. And then the last reason we heard was that maybe the defense already knows what`s on them. And again, without having looked at them, how could they possibly know that? So...

Ya gotta love Kathi's reporting. jmo

101Spots

06-01-2009, 07:49 PM

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 07:51 PM

I strongly disagree.

On a personal level and on my suspicions I totally agree that this should be grounds to declare it a homicide....but Legally JUST that wouldnt wash....There has to b other circumstances surrounding the location and condition of the body for it to legally be a homicide..........if that makes sense.

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 07:52 PM

If they only knew her penchant for pork rinds she might have spilled her guts.

SEE...!!! I DID NOT SAY THIS....I unlike some of yall am being polite and respectful :lol; :lol:

sammy62

06-01-2009, 07:54 PM

It was $980.

Kathi Belich, WFTV, talked about the cds on NG's 12/08 show. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/08/ng.01.html

Belich: There is a $980 charge. It took the sheriff`s office 50 hours to put these things together. I don`t know. Is it the money? We don`t know. The defense has given us several different reasons for not picking them up, none of which make any sense...First they said that it wasn`t what they asked for -- first they told me I was lying that they were even sitting there. Then I told them I had video of that. And then they said that they weren`t what they had asked for. But I didn`t know how they would know that if they hadn`t picked them up yet. And then the last reason we heard was that maybe the defense already knows what`s on them. And again, without having looked at them, how could they possibly know that? So...

Ya gotta love Kathi's reporting. jmo

does the media have to pay to get them too?

*MoonRider*

06-01-2009, 07:55 PM

Whoa!!! *NOT* a flattering picture of AL.
This is the best side of the Team Anthony imo
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/behinds.jpg

desmom

06-01-2009, 07:58 PM

does the media have to pay to get them too?

I believe they do Sammy. jmo

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 08:01 PM

This is the best side of the Team Anthony imo
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/behinds.jpg

YOU oughta be ASHAMED of yourself :lol: :lol:

she really does have a strong looking defense team now.

We will see if they live up to their images.

sammy62

06-01-2009, 08:03 PM

This is the best side of the Team Anthony imo
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/behinds.jpg

thanks for the shot. I was trying to find it yesterday to show my husband it isn't only bloggers with fat a***s

kingfish

06-01-2009, 08:03 PM

On a personal level and on my suspicions I totally agree that this should be grounds to declare it a homicide....but Legally JUST that wouldnt wash....There has to b other circumstances surrounding the location and condition of the body for it to legally be a homicide..........if that makes sense.

She didn't kill herself

101Spots

06-01-2009, 08:03 PM

This is the best side of the Team Anthony imo
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/behinds.jpg

Wide, wider, widest......

sunstar

06-01-2009, 08:03 PM

Hi everybody! :seeya: Bad news for the defense wanting a change of venue ~ Nancy Grace isn't talking about Caylee tonight.

Katprint

06-01-2009, 08:04 PM

Actually....all that says is that somebody IMPROPERLY disposed of a corpse.....sad but true....that in itself isnt enough for homicide...
It's probably true that "Head/mouth wrapped in duct tape, triple bagged, 2 garbage bags, 1 laundry bag and thrown in the woods" is not enough "in itself." It is the "totality of the circumstances" that proves a premeditated homicide, i.e. the computer searches concerning missing children - for example, the One Tree Hill nanny kidnapping episode - and methods of killing people before Caylee's so-called "disappearance;" Casey being the last known person to see Caylee alive; Casey's lies to police investigators and everyone else about working at Universal Studios, about the imagi-nanny, and about pretty much everything else; Casey's partying during the 30 days before Caylee's "disappearance" was reported by Cindy; Casey's smelly abandoned car; the laundry hamper, duct tape and other items found with Caylee's remains being traced back to the Anthony residence; and so forth.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Edited to add: It is worth noting that under Florida law, extreme child abuse/neglect which results in the death of a child is homicide. So, if Caylee drowned or accidentally strangled herself on a loose cord or some other accidental death occurred, Casey's failure to call 9-1-1 in hopes of reviving the child becomes relevant to proving the requisite criminal state of mind i.e. "depraved heart." Casey had a legal duty to summon medical aid for Caylee if Caylee required medical attention, for example if Casey discovered Caylee's apparently lifeless body. Triple bagging a child who might be resuscitated by proper medical intervention reflects an intentional killing.

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 08:06 PM

Anakerie

06-01-2009, 08:09 PM

Maybe, they should put The Anthonys on the "banned" list this time...Give them a taste of their own medicine..mo
I know I'm way back behind you guys, but I had to comment on this one... If they don't ban them, I hope they don't hand that woman a microphone at the very least!!

CRRJJ

06-01-2009, 08:11 PM

Actually....all that says is that somebody IMPROPERLY disposed of a corpse.....sad but true....that in itself isnt enough for homicide...

Celtic, yes that's true, but when you add the fact that KC has lied from day one, got the recipe for chloroform, how to break a neck, the dead body smell in the car, her stopping her dad from getting in the car, and changing her story constantly---just look at all the people she has tried to accuse--when one alibi falls through she invents another one. I just can't buy it that she didn't kill her own sweet little girl.
Then we have the immediate partying, not calling 911 immediately, just too much against her. She isn't cooperating by telling the truth at all. There has to be some reason she keeps lying and didn't even try to help find her daughter. And it just goes on and on. This is jmoo. :sad:

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 08:13 PM

Well, the OC is what - 21 years old? If this is what she did to her first child, if she got away with it, chances are good that she would be repeating something similar in the future. Probably she wouldn't give any newborns a chance to live until age 3 though. She and Bundy are equal in my eyes. Both are murderers. Bundy just didn't get caught after the first one.

I don't KNOW this....but I have read about MANY killers...and many circumstances of killing....and I liken it to an addiction.....They do it....and if they like it....they just automatically develop this taste for it....a craving no less....Maybe not without "reason"(in their twisted minds).....but after they get the taste it becomes easy.....incidental to whatever else is going on in their lives.......

*MoonRider*

06-01-2009, 08:14 PM

It's probably true that "Head/mouth wrapped in duct tape, triple bagged, 2 garbage bags, 1 laundry bag and thrown in the woods" is not enough "in itself." It is the "totality of the circumstances" that proves a premeditated homicide, i.e. the computer searches concerning missing children - for example, the One Tree Hill nanny kidnapping episode - and methods of killing people before Caylee's so-called "disappearance;" Casey being the last known person to see Caylee alive; Casey's lies to police investigators and everyone else about working at Universal Studios, about the imagi-nanny, and about pretty much everything else; Casey's partying during the 30 days before Caylee's "disappearance" was reported by Cindy; Casey's smelly abandoned car; the laundry hamper, duct tape and other items found with Caylee's remains being traced back to the Anthony residence; and so forth.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

IMO the garbage bags are going to put the OC away. Here's a pic on 7/25 with black bags with yellow ties.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/july25photos039-1.jpg
Page 2 - http://www.wftv.com/news/18530366/detail.html

Thanks from Desmom:

On July 16, 2008......Detective Beasley provided me with the following pieces of evidence:

Black plastic bag containing inside:
• Doll (Art #3, Item H-51975)
• Backpack (Art #4, Item H-51975)
• Childs tooth brush (Article #5, Item H-51975)
• Black leather bag (Article #6, Item H-51975)
• Various papers (Article #7, Item H-51975)
• Dinner knife (Article #8, Item H-51975)
• Blue plastic crate (Article #9, Item H-51975)
• Plastic clothes hangers (Article #10, Item H-51975)

The above are items LE collected from Cindy Page 181 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/...lando-sentinel

page 42 -
Tuesday, December 16, 2008
At approximately 1511 hours, I arrived at the Evidence Section and had a meeting with Detectives Melich and Edwards regarding inspection of the following piece of evidence:

Art #1, Item # H-51975 (sealed box)

From the evidence mentioned above, I collected the following items:
• Black plastic bag with yellow pull handles.
• Pull-ups "with flowers design" collected from back
pack "Adorable"
• Stainless steel knife.

ETA ~ Ooops, forgot to finish my train of thought. Sorry ~

So the black plastic bag could have been provided by Cindy to hold on the items she had removed from the car. LE would be able to compare this bag to the bags that were found with Caylee's body.
Think Melanie McGuire. moo

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 08:14 PM

Celtic, yes that's true, but when you add the fact that KC has lied from day one, got the recipe for chloroform, how to break a neck, the dead body smell in the car, her stopping her dad from getting in the car, and changing her story constantly---just look at all the people she has tried to accuse--when one alibi falls through she invents another one. I just can't buy it that she didn't kill her own sweet little girl.
Then we have the immediate partying, not calling 911 immediately, just too much against her. She isn't cooperating by telling the truth at all. There has to be some reason she keeps lying and didn't even try to help find her daughter. And it just goes on and on. This is jmoo. :sad:

I agree....I said that "in itself"....I think that the combination of everything not only suggests homicide....but I think PREMEDITATED VENGEFUL SPITEFUL murder...

sunstar

06-01-2009, 08:19 PM

Dr. G also made mention of her medical exam. I was more wondering if there was anything she noticed that she did not comment on. I am aware of the duct tape, bags, etc. You and I would immediately think murder. I simply wondered if there was anything she noticed that would have definitely made it a homocide rather than an accident wherein someone freaked out and dumped the body to get rid of it.

IOW, could there be any other evidence that we do not already know about.

Hi! Casey was indicted for murder before Caylee's remains were found. There has to be evidence of homicide elsewhere, imo, such as the hair with the death-band that was found in the car trunk. MOO

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 08:20 PM

IIRC, Dr. G said she based her conclusion on her medical exam and the police report of what was found at the scene of the body dump. Would she also have taken all these other factors into account in making the decision - the lying, not notifying of Caylee's disappearance, etc.??

from what I know of investigative procedure....I would think that some of it would come into play....However neck breaking-self defense- and shovel just goes to show that IF casey did those searches in preparation for murdering Caylee ALONE just how lame and stupid she is (which I am NOT arguing).....but I cant see the first two factoring into the evaluation....there are plenty of other circumstantial pieces that actually make sense.

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 08:22 PM

I'm not worried that this case is made up on circumstancial evidence. I believe most cases are. Plenty of people have been convicted without eyewitnesses or direct evidence. The crime scene evidence and forensics, along with all of Casey's lies will convict her in front of any senseable juror. MOO, of course

I love circumstantial evidence. If the derfense cannot use any of it to point to anyone else, Casey's goose will be cooked. You have to look at ALL the circumstantial evidence put together, not at each little piece individually. Mark Garegos did a wonderful job of dissecting each little piece; but he couldn't get rid of the fact that all of it led to only one person - Scott Peterson. And I think this case is much, much stronger

Cindy is trying to tear down each little piece. She claims (for one) that someone could have climbed the fence and put a body in the trunk at the tow yard. Was that same person the last person to see Caylee alive? Can she provide any proof that someone could climb the fence with a dead body, break into the trunk without leaving a mark or a fingerprint, then leave the fenced tow-yard without being seen by anyone? I am waiting for Jose to call Zanny to the stand, look to the courtroom doors as if Zanny will be entering, and then say he is just kidding.

TunaMelt

06-01-2009, 08:22 PM

Well, the OC is what - 21 years old? If this is what she did to her first child, if she got away with it, chances are good that she would be repeating something similar in the future. Probably she wouldn't give any newborns a chance to live until age 3 though. She and Bundy are equal in my eyes. Both are murderers. Bundy just didn't get caught after the first one.

It's impossible to compare murderers, IMO. They've all taken a life deliberately, and that makes them all awful people who aren't worth the space they take up or the air they breathe.

KittyMom

06-01-2009, 08:23 PM

Caylee Anthony: Vigil to be held June 16, WESH reports
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/caylee-anthony-vigil-to-be-held-june-16.html

WESH's Bob Kealing also discussed Andrea Lyon.....He cited two cases: In one before the Illinois Supreme Court, she re-enacted a crime. In another case, she handcuffed herself to a railing to depict how investigators got a confession from her client.

oh, no...sounds like she's a bigger drama queen than even Baez :sneaky:

jammies

06-01-2009, 08:23 PM

SEE...!!! I DID NOT SAY THIS....I unlike some of yall am being polite and respectful :lol; :lol:

I just KNOW how much you want to break out of your neutral place, CD! :laugh:

jammies

06-01-2009, 08:25 PM

YOU oughta be ASHAMED of yourself :lol: :lol:

she really does have a strong looking defense team now.

We will see if they live up to their images.

All's I know is they make the rocking world go round..... :thumbup:

CRRJJ

06-01-2009, 08:26 PM

Wide, wider, widest......

Now, surely that number 77 at the end of the website isn't the size of her hips is it? Could it be???? Pork rind will do that to ya'.

nothingnew

06-01-2009, 08:27 PM

IIRC Baez didn't pick up some of the Discovery he was demanded in the case early on because he didn't wnat to pay the $80 or $90 to get it. HBe sure doesn't seemt o have a problem paying for anything now,does he?

What do you mean? What is jose paying for now? AFAIK there have been no out of pocket expenses for jose OR the ant hand, it always seems to come from someone else's wallet. and whoever said earlier that they suspect geraldo of helping to finance this "extravaganza", ITA. IMO

nothingnew

06-01-2009, 08:33 PM

Whoa!!! *NOT* a flattering picture of AL.

If you CAN find one then you can also probably find the elusive Zanny and you will be heralded as a hero throughout the land of lazy, a$$ bloggers everywhere!

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 08:36 PM

All's I know is they make the rocking world go round..... :thumbup:
I seriously doubt anyone can make a case against anyone but Casey.

nothingnew

06-01-2009, 08:37 PM

This is the best side of the Team Anthony imo
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/behinds.jpg

Too true- the softer side of team hand.

Unleashed

06-01-2009, 08:38 PM

101Spots

06-01-2009, 08:38 PM

If you CAN find one then you can also probably find the elusive Zanny and you will be heralded as a hero throughout the land of lazy, a$$ bloggers everywhere!

The theme from "Mission Impossible" keeps running through my head......

bchand

06-01-2009, 08:38 PM

Nancy Grace is not discussing the Anthony case tonight but I had to note that she just took a call from...................

Sheba in Illinois

Sandy001

06-01-2009, 08:39 PM

Hi! Casey was indicted for murder before Caylee's remains were found. There has to be evidence of homicide elsewhere, imo, such as the hair with the death-band that was found in the car trunk. MOO Duct tape across the mouth would indicate a homicide. Why else would you duct tape someone's mouth?

101Spots

06-01-2009, 08:41 PM

Did I not read Casey has a $500,000 bond?
Cough it up Geraldo.:tonguewag:
JMO

Past tense: she ~had~ a $500,000 bond. In FL, there's *no* bond for Murder 1.

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 08:41 PM

Nancy Grace is not discussing the Anthony case tonight but I had to note that she just took a call from...................

Sheba in Illinois

Sheba......sounds like a pet dog to me....and a very loyal one at that

BTW....is SHEBA always from Illinois?....or do they change the location once in a while...

I really do love me some Nancy but gotta wonder about that oen...

I cant watch right now

so somebody ....what is she ranting about tonight?????

*MoonRider*

06-01-2009, 08:50 PM

Nancy Grace is not discussing the Anthony case tonight but I had to note that she just took a call from...................

Sheba in Illinois
OK, who on this board will fess up and admit they are Sheeba from OL?:laugh:

sunstar

06-01-2009, 08:52 PM

Duct tape across the mouth would indicate a homicide. Why else would you duct tape someone's mouth?

I agree, but my point was the murder charges were filed before Caylee was found, and before they knew about the duct tape. I think the duct tape could've had something to do with the DP being reinstated though. :smile: MOO.

sammy62

06-01-2009, 08:58 PM

I love circumstantial evidence. If the derfense cannot use any of it to point to anyone else, Casey's goose will be cooked. You have to look at ALL the circumstantial evidence put together, not at each little piece individually. Mark Garegos did a wonderful job of dissecting each little piece; but he couldn't get rid of the fact that all of it led to only one person - Scott Peterson. And I think this case is much, much stronger

Cindy is trying to tear down each little piece. She claims (for one) that someone could have climbed the fence and put a body in the trunk at the tow yard. Was that same person the last person to see Caylee alive? Can she provide any proof that someone could climb the fence with a dead body, break into the trunk without leaving a mark or a fingerprint, then leave the fenced tow-yard without being seen by anyone? I am waiting for Jose to call Zanny to the stand, look to the courtroom doors as if Zanny will be entering, and then say he is just kidding.

besides all that....where is the body. Did they climb back in later to remove it...how dumb does she think we are

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 08:59 PM

Sorry. I'm going to have to always remember to put IMO in everything I post. Thx for the reminder.

Hair with death band on it is pretty solid proof that SOMETHING in that trunk was directly related to A dead body.....somebody closely related to casey.....put it that way....

nitpicking doesnt change that fact.....

IMO

Or_is_it?

06-01-2009, 09:02 PM

Hi! Casey was indicted for murder before Caylee's remains were found. There has to be evidence of homicide elsewhere, imo, such as the hair with the death-band that was found in the car trunk. MOO

I'm sure that was taken seriously by the grand jury and others INCLUDING GEORGE described that smell and I don't think the comparison to pizza was made.

George on the stand is going to be quite interesting.

farrahrani

06-01-2009, 09:03 PM

Good point. That pretty much does indicate homocide. Case closed. GUILTY! :smile:

Someone said -jeepers now I don't remember if it was here or elsewhere :confused: -

If you have a child that young, found dead, no prior illnesses, no health defects, no prior hospitalizations, nothing that would trigger death, what else COULD explain it but homicide, especially when the body is found abandoned? Wouldn't that automatically be ruled a homicide, since there is nobody claiming an accident? I could swear someone said that somewhere and now I no longer have the link! :crying:

Unleashed

06-01-2009, 09:03 PM

OK, who on this board will fess up and admit they are Sheeba from OL?:laugh:

:seeya: I just loooove your babies, Nancy.

imo

bchand

06-01-2009, 09:04 PM

Sheba......sounds like a pet dog to me....and a very loyal one at that

BTW....is SHEBA always from Illinois?....or do they change the location once in a while...

I really do love me some Nancy but gotta wonder about that oen...

I cant watch right now

so somebody ....what is she ranting about tonight?????

AFAIK Sheba is ALWAYS from Illinois. I wish Nancy had a blog like Greta does so we could ask her about it.

Anakerie

06-01-2009, 09:04 PM

oh honey, it wasn't meant as a reminder, it's just that I'm one of those who firmly believes that in a court of law, absent of a video tape, NOTHING is a slam dunk.
Unfortunately it's a rare murder case that has a video of the murderer in the act...

You're right, nothing is a slam dunk in this world.. But I still have a strong feeling that Casey is going to hear "guilty" from the jury...

nothingnew

06-01-2009, 09:05 PM

Did I not read Casey has a $500,000 bond?
Cough it up Geraldo.:tonguewag:
JMO

She had a bond before she was arrested the second and final time. Now she's in it for the long haul, wide load, you name it she ain't walking the streets or parking lots in this lifetime-in my opinion, I could be wrong, but uh, ummm, I'm NOT!! :laugh:

cassidy

06-01-2009, 09:08 PM

Who is Andrea Lyon? Will she save Casey Anthony?
http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/who-is-andrea-lyon-will-she-save-casey-anthony/

Link contains article written in 1995 by Cheryl Lavin. It contains several quotes from Lyon.

Thanks for the link desmom. I just wonder where her feelings for the victim comes into play? I guess those who are already dead deserve no justice?
JMO

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 09:10 PM

Good point. That pretty much does indicate homocide. Case closed. GUILTY! :smile:

You would be surprised at the things that are hostily done to a body post-mortem.....like the woman that found her husband dead and when she realized he had let the insurance policy lapse and had spend all of their money on the horses....she stabbed his body and then proceeded to torch him.....and she actually had not killed him...!!!

(I admit, Id be preety POed too!!)

nothingnew

06-01-2009, 09:12 PM

Duct tape across the mouth would indicate a homicide. Why else would you duct tape someone's mouth?

Well, I don't want to murder cindy anthony but I would not be opposed to supplying some duct tape and placing a piece of chewed up gum over the mouth area. Sometimes I'm just mean like that.

Seriously though a defense team (not this one though) could say the tape was added after death to stage it as a kidnapping, that is unless the killer was really, really brain deficient and placed a little calling card heart sticker on there. CMA!

*MoonRider*

06-01-2009, 09:12 PM

:smile: Thx. I also think I incorrectly assumed that they had ID'd the hair as actually being Caylee's. IMO, there is forensic proof that there was a decomposing body in the car, because of the death band, but I guess they can't make a total determination that it was Caylee's hair. I thought, through DNA comparison, they could determine it was hers but I'm sorry to see that I'm wrong on that.
A Caucasian head hair was found on the left side trunk liner exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition at the proximal root end and after mitochondrial testing it was determined that neither Casey Anthony or Caylee Marie Anthony can be excluded as the source of the hair.
(Which means it is one of them) Since we all know that Casey IS alive and well at the Orange County Jail it means that precious Caylee IS deceased.
What more evidence is needed ? Case closed Too tired to look for the link so IMO

Unleashed

06-01-2009, 09:13 PM

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 09:14 PM

Thanks for the link desmom. I just wonder where her feelings for the victim comes into play? I guess those who are already dead deserve no justice?
JMO

SOME PEOPLE call it compartmentalization....others, doing their job, promoting [B]THEIR cause[/B(saving anybody they can from the DP simply because they do not believe in it...They will go into "two wrongs does not make it right", etc.........It is where they "have to separate being a lawyer from being a human being"

Not my beliefs or facts....just my take of what goes on...

seeing_eye

06-01-2009, 09:15 PM

I love Dr. G too. Wonder what made the defense quit bashing her? They use to bash her for her tv show. Is it because they sealed the autopsy? It use to make me so mad when they would do that to her.

jmo

IIRC, on her tv shows she bases her findings on both what she finds on the body along with information from police reports.

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 09:17 PM

Well, I don't want to murder cindy anthony but I would not be opposed to supplying some duct tape and placing a piece of chewed up gum over the mouth area. Sometimes I'm just mean like that.

Seriously though a defense team (not this one though) could say the tape was added after death to stage it as a kidnapping, that is unless the killer was really, really brain deficient and placed a little calling card heart sticker on there. CMA!

Or the person that did it didnt actually kill caylee but was a very angry hostile person that was also really really brain deficient and did it out of pure spite....

cassidy

06-01-2009, 09:18 PM

SOME PEOPLE call it compartmentalization....others, doing their job, promoting [B]THEIR cause[/B(saving anybody they can from the DP simply because they do not believe in it...They will go into "two wrongs does not make it right", etc.........It is where they "have to separate being a lawyer from being a human being"

Not my beliefs or facts....just my take of what goes on...

I don't have a problem with someone "giving their all" to save somebody from the DP. LWOP is OK with me. I draw the line though in trying to get them off entirely. So I'll reserve judgement on AL until I see where she is headed with this.

JMO

Lapis

06-01-2009, 09:20 PM

in a Court of Law, yes it does change a "fact".

It comes down to whether or not an expert can say with absolute certainty that the hair with the "death band" was, with 100% certainty, a strand of hair belonging to Caylee.

It also comes down to whether or not the defense has an expert that can challenge the prosecution witness, and as a result, place doubt int he mind of just one juror. That's all it takes. Just one.

While I agree with what you are saying, the standard is "within a reasonable degree of scientific certainty" JMO

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 09:20 PM

I would like to know what Geraldo's rathings are. He is disgusting. He is as bad as Baez.

He is WORSE than Baez because HE KNOWS BETTER....He may be up in the ratings ....but that just goes to show you what idle brains will watch on the weekends.....His sideshow.

.....and not what hes competing against.
Note the typical weekend audience for this type of show.

seeing_eye

06-01-2009, 09:20 PM

This was ruled as a homocide before December 11, 2008 was it not?:rolleyes:
JMO

The GJ indicted Casey for homicide before the body was found based on circumstantial evidence (which the pros believed was enough to convict).

After body was discovered, Dr. G ruled the death a homicide based on her autopsy and info from police reports.

sunstar

06-01-2009, 09:21 PM

I'm sure that was taken seriously by the grand jury and others INCLUDING GEORGE described that smell and I don't think the comparison to pizza was made.

George on the stand is going to be quite interesting.

I agree about George. He'll have to stick with what he told LE and the GJ or be impeached. MOO

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 09:23 PM

I don't have a problem with someone "giving their all" to save somebody from the DP. LWOP is OK with me. I draw the line though in trying to get them off entirely. So I'll reserve judgement on AL until I see where she is headed with this.

JMO

I agree. To me, the death penalty should be an option...but it should be case/circumstance dependent and not blindly applied....I dont care either way on a mental level....but on an emotional level I think about the child who got an automatic death penalty without benefit of all this legal maneuvering.

...but thats jsut me though...

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 09:24 PM

Thx to both you and Unleashed for your comments. So, since the hair was from a dead person and no one else is deceased, how is that NO solid forensic proof that Caylee was the individual who was dead in the trunk of the car?

It is proof as far as deductive reasoning goes....but in a court of law there should be other things surrounding that deductive reasoning to make it so....

???

OCD4Crime

06-01-2009, 09:25 PM

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 09:32 PM

Thanks for reminding me :thumbdown:why I'm afraid to post.

we wil help you across the bridge despite.....

Anyway look at what hes competing against as compared with the audience type of weekday shows of ALLEGEDLY the same genre.....Its all good

PLEASE KEEP POSTING....:smile:

OCD4Crime

06-01-2009, 09:32 PM

He is WORSE than Baez because HE KNOWS BETTER....He may be up in the ratings ....but that just goes to show you what idle brains will watch on the weekends.....His sideshow.

.....and not what hes competing against.
Note the typical weekend audience for this type of show.

IMO the only reason his ratings are higher is because everyone else is showing a re-run.

nothingnew

06-01-2009, 09:34 PM

Geraldo is only aired on the weekends and he beats his competition one and a half to one. For better or worse, he has a higher rating than you do. At least on this board.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/

1. "newbie or reincarnated?" - does it matter?
2. who else has a first run show on a weekend besides geraldo?
3. has a higher rating on what board-the link of the networks or IS? If you are talking IS then I rated Sus3 a 10 for basic communication skills, attention to detail, deportment, intelligence and overall contribution to the human species. gr did not actually garner a rating that can be seen-maybe it's hidden behind an invisinanny? I'll keep a looking!

nothingnew

06-01-2009, 09:35 PM

Or the person that did it didnt actually kill caylee but was a very angry hostile person that was also really really brain deficient and did it out of pure spite....

hmmm........CMA?

Kathlb

06-01-2009, 09:37 PM

oh, no...sounds like she's a bigger drama queen than even Baez :sneaky:

That may play up in Chicago-land, but in my mind, the people that make up juries in Florida, like the people in Texas, won't much go for hystrionics and play acting and sobbing. We'd rather hear the facts without all of the show boating. It will do more harm than good IMHO. So she'd better think twice about that. Look at how they feel about Baez in Florida and he so far hasn't acted out in a play scenario yet. :angry:

bchand

06-01-2009, 09:38 PM

Thanks for reminding me :thumbdown:why I'm afraid to post.

Don't be afraid to post OCD4 - check the link on that post.

Geraldo isn't doing so well according to the link.

Nancy Grace in reruns does almost as well as Geraldo live. MSNBC beat him handily on Saturday night.

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 09:39 PM

IMO the only reason his ratings are higher is because everyone else is showing a re-run.

I was going to post the same thing. That is the only reason I watch him.

bchand

06-01-2009, 09:40 PM

I gotta be nicer - I am getting too many old dresses hanging in closet. Sheba sounds like she has been sipping something most of the time when she calls.

I almost posted the same thing Sus. She's definitely imbibing while on hold IMO.

OCD4Crime

06-01-2009, 09:40 PM

That may play up in Chicago-land, but in my mind, the people that make up juries in Florida, like the people in Texas, won't much go for hystrionics and play acting and sobbing. We'd rather hear the facts without all of the show boating. It will do more harm that good IMHO. So she'd better think twice about that. Look at how they feel about Baez in Florida and he so far hasn't acted out in a play scenario yet. :angry:
Liberalllll, activist theatrics won't work well in Florida jmo

OCD4Crime

06-01-2009, 09:42 PM

Kathlb

06-01-2009, 09:42 PM

Liberalllll, activist theatrics won't work well in Florida jmo

Not for a New York minute. :wink:

nothingnew

06-01-2009, 09:45 PM

I was going to post the same thing. That is the only reason I watch him.

I cannot stomach that guy, or FOX period actually but I like to hear what inane stuff he comes up with so I give you a BIG Thank You!! for taking one for the team-you rock! And I mean BIG!!, bigger than, well you know..........:wub:

Pruddennce

06-01-2009, 09:51 PM

Someone said -jeepers now I don't remember if it was here or elsewhere :confused: -

If you have a child that young, found dead, no prior illnesses, no health defects, no prior hospitalizations, nothing that would trigger death, what else COULD explain it but homicide, especially when the body is found abandoned? Wouldn't that automatically be ruled a homicide, since there is nobody claiming an accident? I could swear someone said that somewhere and now I no longer have the link! :crying:

you are correct.

in this case, the cause of death is unknown, (no signs of what caused the death such as drugs, bullet, knife, strangulation, etc etc etc)

the MANNER of death is then ruled a homicide based on all known factors concerning the deceased. an investigation into the life of the individual is conducted....

and in this case: Casey Anthony was arrested because of the investigation. a child, badly decomposed, with no obvious signs of trauma on the body or a history of illness, no confession as to an accident, no bone injury, no drugs (as far as we know, we have not seen the autopsy results).....and the mother never reported her endangered missing: her death was then ruled a homicide.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Kathlb

06-01-2009, 09:54 PM

You poor souls in Florida seem to have a LOT of highly publicized crime, especially recently.

Anyone think the tough-on-crime reputation of Florida juries has to do with the amount of crime in the state?

I can't tell if we're having more crime than everyone else or it's just reported more. Or we have more transients due to the weather being warm. :-) Hard to tell but for whatever reason, Florida juries have always been tough on crime like Texas juries. I think some of it is good down home values that have been instilled in us as we grew up (well, most of us leaving out OC). And we're not afraid to tell it like it is and not how others would like it to be. I am reminded of the comedian Ron White who's from Texas and said they now have a fast lane into the death penalty... and like other states, they not only have the death penalty, they USE IT!

Anakerie

06-01-2009, 09:55 PM

IMO the only reason his ratings are higher is because everyone else is showing a re-run.
ITA!

JVM and Nancy are NOT live shows.. They are reruns of shows from the weekdays.. I don't watch them on the weekends and I do NOT watch Geraldo as a rule. I don't know why I had it on that channel this weekend when he had Baez and LKB on, but the channel got changed shortly after the whinefest was over... lol

sunstar

06-01-2009, 09:58 PM

Don't be afraid to post OCD4 - check the link on that post.

Geraldo isn't doing so well according to the link.

Nancy Grace in reruns does almost as well as Geraldo live. MSNBC beat him handily on Saturday night.
I think I can see the reason for Nancy's reruns doing better ~ at least she stays on a topic longer than 5 minutes, which is about all he gave Caylee last night. With LKB & Baez on the show I thought there would be more discussion. MOO

desmom

06-01-2009, 10:02 PM

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=353456

Pruddennce

06-01-2009, 10:15 PM

So ... what were we so pleasantly discussing before the pigeon infestation?

Crime in Florida?

The fact the hair with the death band found in Casey's trunk was indeed Caylee's and why that doesn't seem to weight too heavily on the minds of the defense team?

forensic challenge, of course.

OR

someone else put a deceased Caylee in the trunk of her car and then removed her and discarded her.....of course, not Casey. (one of Cindy's theories to tie in with her fingerpointing)

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

sammy62

06-01-2009, 10:16 PM

Hey guys....lets not get shut down. I'd have to clean house or something tomorrow. I'd much rather sit here on this HAPPY board.

nothingnew

06-01-2009, 10:18 PM

Pruddennce

06-01-2009, 10:19 PM

Can anyone refresh my memory as to why that hair of Caylee's with the death band found in Casey's trunk isn't the "smoking gun" in this case?

Or maybe it is, but it won't get it's proper due until the trial? :confused:

IMO, there is evidence not yet released.

they collected the insects, the flies and maggots.

we have not seen the results. the flies will tell a story and so will the maggots.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 10:22 PM

Can anyone refresh my memory as to why that hair of Caylee's with the death band found in Casey's trunk isn't the "smoking gun" in this case?

Or maybe it is, but it won't get it's proper due until the trial? :confused:

IIRC It was determined to be someone closely related to casey....deductive reasoning says its caylee since she was the only one missing (and presumed dead since the hair had the death band)...but in a court of law they need the additional circumstantial evidence to add to the premise to make their case....Remember the burden of proof is on the prosecution and they have to make sure they carefully build each component of that proof in a way that is as unshakable as possible.

Lapis

06-01-2009, 10:25 PM

Well, I was personally interested in the back and forth about the death band and why or why not that could be used as "solid" forensic evidence given that:

1. it proves a dead body was in the trunk
2. if proves it was a family member
3. no other family members are dead but Caylee

One poster commented that it was good for deductive reasoning , CMIIW, but wouldn't be solid uncontentionable proof.

What WOULD be? A photograph of Caylee dead in the trunk, date stamped and autographed by the OC?

I think the key is the degree of scientific certainty to which the experts can link these things. For example, if the best the scientists can say is that the hair shows characteristics similar to a death band and it is possible that the hair could be from an Anthony family member I don't think that is enough to get over the hurdle. In fact, it may not be enough to allow it to be admitted. Science is only as good as the degree to which the expert is willing to go out on a limb.

None of the above should be construed to mean that I do not believe Casey is guilty. I mearly am attempting to stimulate discussion.

JMO

KittyMom

06-01-2009, 10:26 PM

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-case-jail-officials060109,0,1658927.story

Just a little housekeeping question here...

When a person is interviewed in a case and it is recorded is it necessary that a transcript be made of the recording and both be entered in court?

djmsmom

06-01-2009, 10:27 PM

IIRC It was determined to be someone closely related to casey....deductive reasoning says its caylee since she was the only one missing (and presumed dead since the hair had the death band)...but in a court of law they need the additional circumstantial evidence to add to the premise to make their case....Remember the burden of proof is on the prosecution and they have to make sure they carefully build each component of that proof in a way that is as unshakable as possible.

IIRC the hair had to be either caseys or caylees, I also think the defence is is going to challange it with Dr. Lee finding additional hairs that crime scene didn't find. But nothing I have heard from team
Casey makes me believe they have any defence at all..

Kathlb

06-01-2009, 10:28 PM

That's what I'd like to know. What percentage of likelihood does a forensic test have to be before it is considered significant. Given that the hair certainly was Caylee's through deductive reason, is there a percentage of likelihood assisigned?

I would say that is pretty much solid evidence that Caylee was there after death. And I still say they haven't cleared Casey's fingerprints from being on the duct tape. She is very conspicuous by her absence from that report.

Lapis

06-01-2009, 10:30 PM

I would say that is pretty much solid evidence that Caylee was there after death. And I still say they haven't cleared Casey's fingerprints from being on the duct tape. She is very conspicuous by her absence from that report.

I think that report is confusing. While they say they have ruled out Lee, Cindy and George but not Casey they also say there were no fingerprints on the tape. JMO

KittyMom

06-01-2009, 10:31 PM

Kathlb

06-01-2009, 10:33 PM

I think that report is confusing. While they say they have ruled out Lee, Cindy and George but not Casey they also say there were no fingerprints on the tape. JMO

Hmmmm, I missed that point where they said no fingerprints were on it. If they did, then that rules that item out darn it.

Pruddennce

06-01-2009, 10:34 PM

I think things get testy when nothing much is happening and we pick on the appearance, actions, words of anything associated with and on the same team as casey. Maybe someone can post a picture of Jeff and his son Zack or Juliette Lewis and we can analyze the heck out of them. So......who has a photo? There has to be some out there FGS, casey was picture crazy after all. Maybe a video?? Is there a brave soul out there that can ask cindy for a little peek or a sketch or something?? If we can find THEM then we are that much closer to finding the nanny and asking her the tough questions.
In the meantime I think I will take talamoth's (sp?) advice and get me some fluids!

your recollection is correct: CINDY stated she HAS A PICTURE OF JEFF AND HIS SON ZACK......she never met them to challenge Casey about that, and of course she has never seen god either, but she believes.

that is Cindy's explanation about Zanny which of course also applies to Jeff and son.

the jailhouse video where cindy tells Casey we forgive you for anything you have said or done: Cindy asks her again about pictures of Zanny, and Casey plays her: Lee and I already have that covered, I DONT KNOW, on the disc at home, on the blah blah....me and Lee are on it!

this is before she is bailed....she couldnt wait to get home and HELP.....

so what happened? NOTHING. her blah blah computer didnt have any pics, or else those pics would have been splattered all over the meda.....ruining someone else's life.....

not one pic after a 4 year relationship. or is it six years as she told Iassen Donovan......

no wait.....Casey told everyone a different story about various facets of her life......wasnt she also in college?

no wait! she already used that story on Cindy, that she registered for Valencia.......

that is how Casey weaves a story....from bits and pieces of reality involving herself but mostly other people's lives.

and Lee: in one of his secret squirrel interviews on the lawn: Casey works for a company thru universal, BUT HE CANNOT REVEAL THE NAME!

what a mess. which needs to be presented in a cohesive manner by the pros.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Lapis

06-01-2009, 10:35 PM

Very helpful, Lapis - thx for that. Do we know what the scientists are saying about the evidence in this particular case? Is it like the example you used "possible family member" and "similar to a death band"? Or is it more certain than that?

I have to go back and re-read the reports (first I have to find them) but IIRC the hair shows characteristics similar to the death band but I don't recall the wording for the match to the Anthonys. There are such great hunters on this board, perhaps someone can help us out. My grandmother used to pay us a quarter to help her find things (alot of money when I was a child, it actually bought a candy bar or two) so I guess I am more motivated by financial gain. LOL and JMO

Kathlb

06-01-2009, 10:35 PM

I can't help but think that the SA's office has to be as tired of this circus as we are and have something reallyyyyyyy damning up their sleaves for the trial. I know they are dealing with other cases, but surely they want a little satisfaction from this one. :drool:

I also hope deeeeeeep in my heart that the SA's office has the necessary paperwork all ready for charging certain family members with perjury and interference once Casey has been dealt with.

IF I say IF ;-) LP is telling a fact that Casey was spotted at a hotel parking lot walking back and forth the night after she left the house (15th), then there is some interview that we haven't seen yet from the person who watched her, and what he/she saw.

Dovey

06-01-2009, 10:38 PM

Caylee Anthony: Vigil to be held June 16, WESH reports
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/caylee-anthony-vigil-to-be-held-june-16.html

WESH's Bob Kealing also discussed Andrea Lyon.....He cited two cases: In one before the Illinois Supreme Court, she re-enacted a crime. In another case, she handcuffed herself to a railing to depict how investigators got a confession from her client.

I believe this was Madison Hobley of Chicago, Illinois
Another case may have been the Robert Tarver of Alabama.

I think these cases were made into a documentary.

KittyMom

06-01-2009, 10:40 PM

your recollection is correct: CINDY stated she HAS A PICTURE OF JEFF AND HIS SON ZACK......she never met them to challenge Casey about that, and of course she has never seen god either, but she believes.

that is Cindy's explanation about Zanny which of course also applies to Jeff and son.

the jailhouse video where cindy tells Casey we forgive you for anything you have said or done: Cindy asks her again about pictures of Zanny, and Casey plays her: Lee and I already have that covered, I DONT KNOW, on the disc at home, on the blah blah....me and Lee are on it!

this is before she is bailed....she couldnt wait to get home and HELP.....

so what happened? NOTHING. her blah blah computer didnt have any pics, or else those pics would have been splattered all over the meda.....ruining someone else's life.....

not one pic after a 4 year relationship. or is it six years as she told Iassen Donovan......

no wait.....Casey told everyone a different story about various facets of her life......wasnt she also in college?

no wait! she already used that story on Cindy, that she registered for Valencia.......

that is how Casey weaves a story....from bits and pieces of reality involving herself but mostly other people's lives.

and Lee: in one of his secret squirrel interviews on the lawn: Casey works for a company thru universal, BUT HE CANNOT REVEAL THE NAME!

what a mess. which needs to be presented in a cohesive manner by the pros.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

When you put it that way...I see the pros dumping a bowl of hot spaghetti noodles on a table in front of the jury and saying, "Here, ya'll try to figure this woman's lies out..." lol Either that or have the jury herd cats. :biggrin:

KittyMom

06-01-2009, 10:42 PM

IF I say IF ;-) LP is telling a fact that Casey was spotted at a hotel parking lot walking back and forth the night after she left the house (15th), then there is some interview that we haven't seen yet from the person who watched her, and what he/she saw.

yep. Maybe a security camera? We just don't have all the pieces to the puzzle yet. <tapping fingers on desk>

Lapis

06-01-2009, 10:47 PM

I can look it up myself - just thought you or someone might know. Too bad YOU won't be at the trial. You would be able to make us feel as if we were all there with you through your excellent reporting.

I would be more than happy to attend. Maybe I should start a non-profit to pay for my expenses. Sorta like the camp scholarships they have. The Send a Lapis to Florida fund. LOL

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 10:49 PM

I think each of us should call in and say we're Sheba from whatever state/province we live in. See if we can mess with Neeeency's mind just a tad.

I love that idea!! Let's all go for it!

Pruddennce

06-01-2009, 10:50 PM

ITA with ya, Pru. There's more. MUCH more.

Do you think the defense has seen it yet?

I believe the defense has seen it. it is my understanding that not everything gets released to the media under the sunshine law. however, I am at a loss as to what those factors are that would allow it to be held back.

there is alot of changes occurring right now, the wind is blowing differently. Casey is avoiding eye contact with her parents. and not for one minute do I believe it is to avoid media fodder. *she smiled at her parents* would be the extent of the reporting. big deal.

IMO she is avoiding looking at them because she is conspiring against them.

or hey: knowing the liar that she is, she could have told an ENTIRELY NEW STORY as to how 'she lost Caylee'....or 'watched Caylee die' by the hands of the phantom nanny.....

something's up and it isnt good for the anthony tour.....

IMO

best regads,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

sammy62

06-01-2009, 10:51 PM

I would be more than happy to attend. Maybe I should start a non-profit to pay for my expenses. Sorta like the camp scholarships they have. The Send a Lapis to Florida fund. LOL

You need to have lost kids in there somehow. Send Lapis to Florida to help the IS lost kids forum

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 10:54 PM

I'm sure this is possible, CD. The other thing is that if they get away with it once, they think they're Oh So much more inteligent than LE and they go on to knock off others who are an annoyance in their lives.

Casey got away with everything in the past because G and C were too stupid to call her on her actions, and so she probably thought LE and the general public would just think, "Poor young woman. Her daughter was abducted."

And then after she got away with Caylee's murder, I strongly believe that George and Cindy would have been mysteriously murdered by an intruder or something like that. She did have plans to own that house and have her friends move in.

How anyone can be that devious and EVIL is truly hard to imagine.

I believe that they were a part of her original plan (or at least one of them was) because self defense, chlroform, and neck breaking are not necessary to murder a helpless 2 1/1 year old....I just always felt like she was planning to kill one or the other....or both.....
....and yes, she is that arrogant and evil IMO...

sammy62

06-01-2009, 10:54 PM

Hey Lapis....I want to be on the board and get pd 40,000 a year. We could use the money too.:tongueside:

sammy62

06-01-2009, 10:57 PM

scenerio #3

Cindy is the Nanny. After all Casey always said that either Cindy or the Nanny had Caylee.

I wouldn't trust Casey any farther than I could see her.

Daffodil

06-01-2009, 10:57 PM

Call to Action for all Fat Lazy Bloggers:

This is O/T but I know that you are all a good group of people who want to help where you can.

I caught the last few minutes of Larry King tonight. They were talking about the two journalists captured in North Korea. Prior to tonight, I heard about it a bit here but never really knowing much about it. I heard on a Fox show that all journalists should be outraged about this and should have this story at the forefront. But I guess Fox was the only one carrying it.

Well, come to find out tonight, one of the journalists is Lisa Ling's sister. I did not know that prior to tonight. We all know Lisa Ling from The View, Oprah and other special reporting she has done. I have so much respect for Lisa Ling. I also admire her and think what a great role model she is.

The other journalist's husband was on also. I am sorry that I don't remember her first name, but her last name is Lee. Her parents live in South Korea. She and her husband have a little daughter. And this was her first assignment!!

I am sort of ashamed to say that it took me this long to learn about this story. I am also sorry that it took me finding out it was Lisa's sister to do anything about it.

But since I admire Lisa so much, I am going to write my senators right after this post to ask them to do something very soon to get these journalists home safe and sound.

So, I am asking for your help in this. Could you also send your senators an email asking for help.

I really appreciate it if you could find the time to do this.

msgatorslayer

06-01-2009, 10:57 PM

I'm sure this is possible, CD. The other thing is that if they get away with it once, they think they're Oh So much more inteligent than LE and they go on to knock off others who are an annoyance in their lives.

Casey got away with everything in the past because G and C were too stupid to call her on her actions, and so she probably thought LE and the general public would just think, "Poor young woman. Her daughter was abducted."

And then after she got away with Caylee's murder, I strongly believe that George and Cindy would have been mysteriously murdered by an intruder or something like that. She did have plans to own that house and have her friends move in.

How anyone can be that devious and EVIL is truly hard to imagine.

Oh yes, she thought she had LE fooled. In her Universal interview she tells the 'good cop' that she was sorry about all that. {All the lies the 'bad cop' called her on} It's as if there was some MINOR communication problems, in her mind, and that it was all cleared up now, lmao.

I totally believe her when she calls home and exclaims - "I was arrested on a friggin whim today". She thought the one cop believed her.

Lapis

06-01-2009, 10:58 PM

Hey Lapis....I want to be on the board and get pd 40,000 a year. We could use the money too.:tongueside:

Your hired.

Pruddennce

06-01-2009, 10:58 PM

IF I say IF ;-) LP is telling a fact that Casey was spotted at a hotel parking lot walking back and forth the night after she left the house (15th), then there is some interview that we haven't seen yet from the person who watched her, and what he/she saw.

Kathlb, its in the doc dumps.....a narrative entry by LE.......I cant locate it at the moment. the guy thought she was a prostitute, the way she was hanging around the front of the hotel.......

there wasnt any more info as to substantiation, etc. but it certainly was mentioned.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

ttcRider

06-01-2009, 11:05 PM

Hey Lapis....I want to be on the board and get pd 40,000 a year. We could use the money too.:tongueside:

I know where you can get a boat real cheap! :wink:

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 11:06 PM

We have ratings on this board? :scared:

ANNIE!!!.....ANNIE....!!!

GRIP

BREATHE

PUT ON YOUR FILTER....TIN FOIL HAT if you have one....

talamoth...I have thought this was the reasons for those searches from the time I heard about her teling others she would own the house....that parents would be moving out of state....and one of them even had something mailed to the house (thinking she would soon be moving in).....

djmsmom

06-01-2009, 11:06 PM

sammy62

06-01-2009, 11:07 PM

Your hired.

whooooo can I buy a new boat too?????

sammy62

06-01-2009, 11:08 PM

I know where you can get a boat real cheap! :wink:

great minds think alike lol:rolleyes::beer:

msgatorslayer

06-01-2009, 11:10 PM

ANNIE!!!.....ANNIE....!!!

GRIP

BREATHE

PUT ON YOUR FILTER....TIN FOIL HAT if you have one....

talamoth...I have thought this was the reasons for those searches from the time I heard about her teling others she would own the house....that parents would be moving out of state....and one of them even had something mailed to the house (thinking she would soon be moving in).....

I wonder what she was going to do to Lee as well. As I imagine her parents would leave things to both of them, upon their death.

Unleashed

06-01-2009, 11:11 PM

That's me smacking YOU on the forehead, silly. :rolleyes:

We need a smiley for smacking OURSELVES on the forehead. :wink:

Nah, Imp. The way it's going I'd just end up with a headache.:wink:

msgatorslayer

06-01-2009, 11:13 PM

OMG, Celtic - I had not heard that. Whoa. . .Casey is seriously delusional in addition to whichever personality disorder(s) she has. Like she is going to off her entire family, get away with it and have friends move in shortly after. Un-frickin-believable.

She needed friends to move in so they could pay the mortgage and bills, lmao. Even if she offed her parents, she still did not want to be self effecient.:glare:

Unleashed

06-01-2009, 11:14 PM

We have ratings on this board? :scared:

Sometimes X!

seeing_eye

06-01-2009, 11:17 PM

Anyone know what that bad smell is?

Smells like decomp??

ttcRider

06-01-2009, 11:18 PM

Yeah, SOMEONE has to pay for the weekly truckload of pork rinds.

I've never had a pork rind... are they any good? Do 'regular' people eat them or only inmates?? :confused: :blushing:

is it like a pork cheesie??

msgatorslayer

06-01-2009, 11:18 PM

Maybe her and Lee were in on it together. Her relationship with Lee gives me the creeps.

Yeah, they do have an odd relationship. Lee's a strange character. The way he laughs when talking about the stank in the car. And nobody who follows this case will ever forget how he :drool: all over his wrist at the CMA love fest.

msgatorslayer

06-01-2009, 11:19 PM

I've never had a pork rind... are they any good? Do 'regular' people eat them or only inmates?? :confused: :blushing:

They're good, IMO. I rarely buy them but my Dad loves them so I ate plenty as a kid.

Lapis

06-01-2009, 11:21 PM

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2053190/...Searchable-Doc

On the second page of this report - decomp at proximital root
Next - use search function - type in mtdna to see that the hair could be either Casey's or Caylee's (but Casey lives). As I understand it, mtdna runs through the females in a family.

Thanks for carrying the water djmsmom. When I read a report like this the key word is "apparent". The person who testifies as to the findings will have to flesh this out. He/she will have to explain to the jury what are the characteristics that make it apparent. Is the apparent because of visual inspection or because it was analysed by some machine? If it was visual inspection, what are the qualifications of the examiner? Is the band faint or bold? What does the fact that it is faint (or bold) tell us? If the examiner relied upon visual inspection, count on the defense to bring up the recent report regarding labs on the non-reliability of visual inspections. Now this report just calls the hair similar to Caylee's which does not go far enough in my mind but they did send it for further analysis.

JMO

ttcRider

06-01-2009, 11:21 PM

They're good, IMO. I rarely buy them but my Dad loves them so I ate plenty as a kid.

thanks msgator, I will add them to my list this week and give you guys my review. :thumbup:

KittyMom

06-01-2009, 11:23 PM

I've never had a pork rind... are they any good? Do 'regular' people eat them or only inmates?? :confused: :blushing:

is it like a pork cheesie??

It's a southern thing. Sort of like chips.

msgatorslayer

06-01-2009, 11:25 PM

scenerio #3

Cindy is the Nanny. After all Casey always said that either Cindy or the Nanny had Caylee.

I wouldn't trust Casey any farther than I could see her.

George has already stated that he and Cindy had Caylee 99% of the time if Casey didn't have her. {IMO, he's lying about the 1% or is talking about the once in a blue moon that maybe Lee or someone else had Caylee for a while}

Casey telling her friends that Caylee was with the nanny is part of her glamorous life she liked to portray to others. It sounded better to say nanny, someone she paid, than to say her child was being watched, for free, by her parents.

So, yeah, Cindy is the real nanny.

The fake nanny is the one made up in Casey's head to try and explain who took her Daughter.

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 11:25 PM

I've never had a pork rind... are they any good? Do 'regular' people eat them or only inmates?? :confused: :blushing:

is it like a pork cheesie??

Pork rinds are wimpish...kinda fluffy....What you want to try is CRACKLINS...cajun style!!!....Now that has a bit of skin, layer of fat and usually a thin piece of lean in it....and seasoned up right....you cook them outside in a cast iron pot over a fire...or if youre a wimp you use propane.

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 11:29 PM

George has already stated that he and Cindy had Caylee 99% of the time if Casey didn't have her. {IMO, he's lying about the 1% or is talking about the once in a blue moon that maybe Lee or someone else had Caylee for a while}

Casey telling her friends that Caylee was with the nanny is part of her glamorous life she liked to portray to others. It sounded better to say nanny, someone she paid, than to say her child was being watched, for free, by her parents.

So, yeah, Cindy is the real nanny.

The fake nanny is the one made up in Casey's head to try and explain who took her Daughter.
I have kids....and...I still have a life.....and I just cant figure out what is SO COOL about having kids and never ever being with them....doing things with them....for them.....watching them figure out things for the first time.....even sparring a bit with them!.....

If she was pumping herself up to be such a GOOD PERSON it seems she would have wanted to have Caylee with her accomplishing things.....I know I always get off on my kids accomplishments.....maybe thats being arrogant too...I dunno.

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 11:30 PM

I don't like them particularly but I'm not a pork person. My dad ate them all the time when I grew up. They are lightweight, salty, much lighter than your usual fried snack. Kind of like whipped pork fat with a lot of salt and msg. :scared:

When just the skin is fried with the fat shaved off it will get all fluffy.....but that aint a REAL CRACKLIN

Lapis

06-01-2009, 11:31 PM

First off, thx djmsmom for finding the report and posting the link. This pretty much answers my question. This evidence can easily be argued against in terms of the overall vagueness. However, adding this in to the entire package of evidence, I would think any intelligent jury member would come to the obvious conclusion that Caylee was dead in the trunk of the OC's car. IMO

That is true. However, unless the prosecution can clear up the vagueness the evidence may not be admitted. Remember the standard is "within a degree of scientific certainty"

The first analysis is: is the report/testimony scientifically reliable. If the court finds yes then it will be admitted and can be considered by the jury. If no, then it is not admitted and will not be considered.

JMO

Or_is_it?

06-01-2009, 11:31 PM

CelticDawn

06-01-2009, 11:35 PM

:no: :rolleyes:

TBG
TBG
TBG

Nothing geraldo says that can't be positively verified is no better than any of our OPINIONS about alien abduction or demonic posessions.

Unleashed

06-01-2009, 11:36 PM

Pork rinds are wimpish...kinda fluffy....What you want to try is CRACKLINS...cajun style!!!....Now that has a bit of skin, layer of fat and usually a thin piece of lean in it....and seasoned up right....you cook them outside in a cast iron pot over a fire...or if youre a wimp you use propane.

o/t

OMG, CD!!! :drool::drool:
Haven't had those in years.

jmo

ttcRider

06-01-2009, 11:36 PM

Sorry, I didnt mean to derail the board with my pork rind question but after reading about them for so long now I had to know. I mean how much weight can I possibly gain eating pork rinds? Right?? Its not like they are addictive or anything.... :ohmy: Right??

Or_is_it?

06-01-2009, 11:38 PM

With only 4 posts on this board, you rate her as a ten "for basic communication skills. Wow you are really intuitive. How do you determine her "basic communication skills, attention to detail, deportment,intellingence and ovrerall contronribution to the human species." Unless of course you know her previous nic.

That is patently an uneducated statement. KEEP LOOKING. MAYBE YOU WILL FIND SOME INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION HERE. In my opinon only Lapis and DT has anything worth reading on this blog. Well, there are others but you know who you are because we have communicated. :w00t:

This is patently an obtuse post! Shall we move on? Feel free to start a new thread in open court of your opinions of other posters.

Pruddennce

06-01-2009, 11:38 PM

George has already stated that he and Cindy had Caylee 99% of the time if Casey didn't have her. {IMO, he's lying about the 1% or is talking about the once in a blue moon that maybe Lee or someone else had Caylee for a while}

Casey telling her friends that Caylee was with the nanny is part of her glamorous life she liked to portray to others. It sounded better to say nanny, someone she paid, than to say her child was being watched, for free, by her parents.

So, yeah, Cindy is the real nanny.

The fake nanny is the one made up in Casey's head to try and explain who took her Daughter.

I thought Casey was the nanny? George said he saw 'nanny' on her resume?????

yes, in Casey's mind she was the nanny and Cindy was the mommy....just ask Cindy: she blogs about all of her responsibilities involving Caylee.....sans giving birth.

:D

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*