Sunday, May 31st 2009 #1

[aproudmom]

Morning everyone hope everyone had a wonderful weekend

hope I did this right this is only my second time

[shadowdiana]

Have a good sleep aproudmom! :sleep:
Thanks for starting a new thread!

[aproudmom]

I have a question I keep hearing on JVM and HLN that Lyons is known to cry in front of the jurors now if true why can families not show any emotion during a trial or verdict or they are ask to leave the courtroom I have seen it many times on the live trials :confused:

[aproudmom]

Have a good sleep aproudmom! :sleep:
Thanks for starting a new thread!

your welcome shadow have a wonderful day

[shadowdiana]

I think the crying is an act..very staged....
I am surprised it is allowed by the court, if true :thumbdown:

[damienstoy]

I think the crying is an act..very staged....
I am surprised it is allowed by the court, if true :thumbdown:

It may not be allowed in the Florida courts. Chicago and Florida are worlds apart on that sort of thing, I believe.

[aproudmom]

I think the crying is an act..very staged....
I am surprised it is allowed by the court, if true :thumbdown:

you think so well Lisa Bloom seems to think she is just so against the DP and it is not a act..lol.

[aproudmom]

It may not be allowed in the Florida courts. Chicago and Florida are worlds apart on that sort of thing, I believe.

see I just go by the trials I have watched and I knew when I went to the trial for 2 teens killed by a drunk they told us no emotion at all and that was in Indiana so maybe it is different in some courts I just wondered since it is being brought up so much

[aproudmom]

anyone know if the KFN has offered thier help in the search for little Nevaeh B. who is missing in Michigan they have been searching alot of water areas maybe the boat could be of use..or do they only work in the FL area..lol

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone! Great job on the new thread Ma.

I think Andrea Lyon gets emotional because she is fighting to save a defendant's life, she is dead set against the death penalty. I do not think it is manipulation or an act.

At any rate, in reading her words about exactly how an attorney should go about defending a DP case, I have learned that she will try
and get the perp to plea.

I think that will be her first move with the OC. If she can pry jose away from anthony, long enough to gain her trust, she may just be able to make the OC see her legal predicament.

As she is doing this, she will file a motion pointing out why the State was wrong is seeking death in this case. I am anxiously awaiting this motion, because I think it will be very revealing as to how Lyon intends to defend the OC.

[aproudmom]

Good morning everyone! Great job on the new thread Ma.

I think Andrea Lyon gets emotional because she is fighting to save a defendant's life, she is dead set against the death penalty. I do not think it is manipulation or an act.

At any rate, in reading her words about exactly how an attorney should go about defending a DP case, I have learned that she will try
and get the perp to plea.

I think that will be her first move with the OC. If she can pry jose away from anthony, long enough to gain her trust, she may just be able to make the OC see her legal predicament.

As she is doing this, she will file a motion pointing out why the State was wrong is seeking death in this case. I am anxiously awaiting this motion, because I think it will be very revealing as to how Lyon intends to defend the OC.

Morning Scampi
I have heard that it was because her strong feelings on the DP so just wondered and I am awaiting to see just how much control JB will give up..IMO she should push for a plea as long as it is LWOP I am just not sure KC will do that I mean she is now saying if she get death she will kill herself before they give her the needle..I guess we shall see...lol

[Scampi]

Morning Scampi
I have heard that it was because her strong feelings on the DP so just wondered and I am awaiting to see just how much control JB will give up..IMO she should push for a plea as long as it is LWOP I am just not sure KC will do that I mean she is now saying if she get death she will kill herself before they give her the needle..I guess we shall see...lol

I agree with you Ma, it has to be LWOP, the State would not accept anything less, imo. I'm sure Lyon understands this, she is very experienced.

I doubt the OC will accept any plea tho, this evil female will never admit to murdering Caylee. Lyon has to present that option to her tho and once the OC refuses it, then Lyon can proceed in her defense.

imo

[cassidy]

Good morning everyone! Great job on the new thread Ma.

I think Andrea Lyon gets emotional because she is fighting to save a defendant's life, she is dead set against the death penalty. I do not think it is manipulation or an act.

At any rate, in reading her words about exactly how an attorney should go about defending a DP case, I have learned that she will try
and get the perp to plea.

I think that will be her first move with the OC. If she can pry jose away from anthony, long enough to gain her trust, she may just be able to make the OC see her legal predicament.

As she is doing this, she will file a motion pointing out why the State was wrong is seeking death in this case. I am anxiously awaiting this motion, because I think it will be very revealing as to how Lyon intends to defend the OC.

I wonder if she ever takes a moment and weeps for the victim who never had the chance to choose between life and death? I understand what she is doing, but sometimes it just makes me angry and sad at the same time.

JMO

[Bala]

I think Lyon will tell Casey that the nanny defense just won't float and that they have no where else to go because there's no way to keep it out after she gave a statement about it. No matter what defense they come up with the detectives will testify about Zanny. I believe even ZG is scheduled to testify. I'm wondering if Baez will allow Lyon's to have any alone time with Casey for fear of what will happen if she ever realizes the corner he helped her back herself into. Baez is counting on HIS day in court.

[Steps]

Has it ever been stated by the defense that Lyon is now acting as "first chair"? I can't imagine she is the type that would take a back seat behind Biaz. Could be it was her condition for getting on board?

[ellegna]

Good morning everyone! Great job on the new thread Ma.

I think Andrea Lyon gets emotional because she is fighting to save a defendant's life, she is dead set against the death penalty. I do not think it is manipulation or an act.

At any rate, in reading her words about exactly how an attorney should go about defending a DP case, I have learned that she will try
and get the perp to plea.

I think that will be her first move with the OC. If she can pry jose away from anthony, long enough to gain her trust, she may just be able to make the OC see her legal predicament.

As she is doing this, she will file a motion pointing out why the State was wrong is seeking death in this case. I am anxiously awaiting this motion, because I think it will be very revealing as to how Lyon intends to defend the OC.

Good morning Scampi and all

my bold

I disagree. From what I've read and heard so far about Lyon, I get the impression she a no nonsense individual.
IMO...Lyon will not try to pry OC from JB. She will sever any contact between JB and Casey. If Lyon has a game plan, I'm sure she wouldn't want JB interfering.

Lyon will not waste time trying to gain Casey's trust. Lyon will cut to the chase and give Casey a large dose of you are in very serious trouble reality. I can just picture Lyon demand Casey to start telling the truth now because if I don't believe you, neither will the jury.

I do agree Lyon's objective is to get Casey to take a plea.

[aproudmom]

I agree with you Ma, it has to be LWOP, the State would not accept anything less, imo. I'm sure Lyon understands this, she is very experienced.

I doubt the OC will accept any plea tho, this evil female will never admit to murdering Caylee. Lyon has to present that option to her tho and once the OC refuses it, then Lyon can proceed in her defense.

imo

I wish for once she would listen but doubt it.. I have not heard bad things about this lawyer so I think the O KC should think about what this lawyer tells her..it is her best bet of getting off with LWOP I just hope Lyons can get BOZO to wake up:biggrin:

[ellegna]

Has it ever been stated by the defense that Lyon is now acting as "first chair"? I can't imagine she is the type that would take a back seat behind Biaz. Could be it was her condition for getting on board?

Lyon is a DP qualified lawyer so she now becomes first chair. JB will take the back seat.

[AMS]

Good morning everyone -

Does anyone know how to access the list of people who have visited the OC? I would like to see if Lyon has visited yet.

Thanks.


imo

[aproudmom]

I think Lyon will tell Casey that the nanny defense just won't float and that they have no where else to go because there's no way to keep it out after she gave a statement about it. No matter what defense they come up with the detectives will testify about Zanny. I believe even ZG is scheduled to testify. I'm wondering if Baez will allow Lyon's to have any alone time with Casey for fear of what will happen if she ever realizes the corner he helped her back herself into. Baez is counting on HIS day in court.

I am not sure I hear different things on the news one says she will do the penalty phase and then it changes so I would like to know the same thing..

[SandyO]

Good morning Scampi and all

my bold

I disagree. From what I've read and heard so far about Lyon, I get the impression she a no nonsense individual.
IMO...Lyon will not try to pry OC from JB. She will sever any contact between JB and Casey. If Lyon has a game plan, I'm sure she wouldn't want JB interfering.

Lyon will not waste time trying to gain Casey's trust. Lyon will cut to the chase and give Casey a large dose of you are in very serious trouble reality. I can just picture Lyon demand Casey to start telling the truth now because if I don't believe you, neither will the jury.

I do agree Lyon's objective is to get Casey to take a plea.

Lyon, powerhouse that she is, is in for a wake up call when she confronts Casey. Casey isn't cowed by anyone, and Lyon will have her hands full. Even if she really is able to get through to Casey about a plea arrangement, isn't it up to the State's Attorney to agree to that?

[aproudmom]

Lyon is a DP qualified lawyer so she now becomes first chair. JB will take the back seat.

Really? ok did not know that just thought she had to have a DP lawyer did not know they got the first chair..heck before it is over we will see 20 chairs of lawyers...

[Scampi]

Good morning Scampi and all

my bold

I disagree. From what I've read and heard so far about Lyon, I get the impression she a no nonsense individual.
IMO...Lyon will not try to pry OC from JB. She will sever any contact between JB and Casey. If Lyon has a game plan, I'm sure she wouldn't want JB interfering.

Lyon will not waste time trying to gain Casey's trust. Lyon will cut to the chase and give Casey a large dose of you are in very serious trouble reality. I can just picture Lyon demand Casey to start telling the truth now because if I don't believe you, neither will the jury.

I do agree Lyon's objective is to get Casey to take a plea.

Morning Canada!!

Moonie gave us this great link yesterday, in it Lyon tells us exactly what a defense attorney should do in defending someone facing the DP. Very interesting reading.

http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2006/DDEFE.pdf

I agree with you, Lyon will be running this case, but something tells me baez will be kept on and given busy work to keep him out of everyone's hair.......lol.

[Bala]

Has it ever been stated by the defense that Lyon is now acting as "first chair"? I can't imagine she is the type that would take a back seat behind Biaz. Could be it was her condition for getting on board?

I have been trying to find this out for days. I'm wondering how much control she will have over JB as well. I read one report that called her the lead attorney but she said she was co-council. Someone has to be in charge.

[aproudmom]

Lyon, powerhouse that she is, is in for a wake up call when she confronts Casey. Casey isn't cowed by anyone, and Lyon will have her hands full. Even if she really is able to get through to Casey about a plea arrangement, isn't it up to the State's Attorney to agree to that?

yeah it would be but I really think if she would plea to LWOP they would take it..could be wrong but I think so..

[Explorer]

I wonder if she ever takes a moment and weeps for the victim who never had the chance to choose between life and death? I understand what she is doing, but sometimes it just makes me angry and sad at the same time.

JMO

I agree with you. What about the victims. Oh thats right they are no longer with us and cant say anything or show their emotions when their life was taken from them at the hands of lunitics. I cry only for the victims.

[SandyO]

yeah it would be but I really think if she would plea to LWOP they would take it..could be wrong but I think so..

I think so too, if for no other reason than the money it would save the State of Florida.

[aproudmom]

Good morning everyone -

Does anyone know how to access the list of people who have visited the OC? I would like to see if Lyon has visited yet.

Thanks.


imo

sorry AMS darn that NG she has not had her menu and visitors and money in her account and what goodies she is buying for awhile..so I have no clue how to find it..lol..

[Scampi]

Has it ever been stated by the defense that Lyon is now acting as "first chair"? I can't imagine she is the type that would take a back seat behind Biaz. Could be it was her condition for getting on board?

Welcome Steps. Yes, Lyon addresses it in this pc on the courthouse steps. My favorite video of all time so far, Kathy Belich is magnificent in it. baez talks his usual gibberish and Andrea Lyons shows us how an attorney should deal with the press, imo.


http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

[aproudmom]

I think so too, if for no other reason than the money it would save the State of Florida.

ITA and I would be fine with hearing LWOP

[Explorer]

I think the DP lawyer has a pretty good gig going on. She has support from all the DP opponents. Some sing her praises. Im not buying it.

[aproudmom]

Welcome Steps. Yes, Lyon addresses it in this pc on the courthouse steps. My favorite video of all time so far, Kathy Belich is magnificent in it. baez talks his usual gibberish and Andrea Lyons shows us how an attorney should deal with the press, imo.


http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

OMG ITA with you worth watching it again

[Explorer]

Ill never forget when one victims family member said that they were always death penalty opponents until now. That was the Oklahoma bombings.

[SandyO]

I can just picture the look on Lyon's face after her first in depth meeting with Casey. It will astound her, how fast and easily Casey can pitch the lies and then swear to them. Lyon will have to be considering some kind of a mental defect defense after coming face-to-face with Casey.

[ellegna]

Morning Canada!!

Moonie gave us this great link yesterday, in it Lyon tells us exactly what a defense attorney should do in defending someone facing the DP. Very interesting reading.

http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2006/DDEFE.pdf

I agree with you, Lyon will be running this case, but something tells me baez will be kept on and given busy work to keep him out of everyone's hair.......lol.

JB definitely will be kept on. He's probably going to end up as the gopher :tonguewag:

[Scampi]

I have been trying to find this out for days. I'm wondering how much control she will have over JB as well. I read one report that called her the lead attorney but she said she was co-council. Someone has to be in charge.

Bala, see the video I just posted. By Florida law, Lyon is the first chair lead attorney. In the video she says that, but then goes on to explain she is an equal member of the "team." IMO, that was to placate the ego sensitive jose baez, who was standing next to her.

Don't anyone be fooled, Andrea Lyon is running this case, not the incompetent baez, imo.

[msgatorslayer]

Lyon is a DP qualified lawyer so she now becomes first chair. JB will take the back seat.

G'morning! Yes, in her interview after the hearing the other day she said that she is listed as 'lead attorney' but prefers to call herself, IIRC, a member of the team.

She is in the drivers seat. Even if she is using carefully chosen words like what she used above to minimize her position. The law looks at her, as being the one that knows what she's doing, lol. Bet Baez just loves that.

[Scampi]

JB definitely will be kept on. He's probably going to end up as the gopher :tonguewag:

I absolutely agree. Afterall, coffee has to be made, cynthia must be kept in gum and water. His duties are endless.................lol. :tongueside:

[Explorer]

I can just picture the look on Lyon's face after her first in depth meeting with Casey. It will astound her, how fast and easily Casey can pitch the lies and then swear to them. Lyon will have to be considering some kind of a mental defect defense after coming face-to-face with Casey.

Maybe will really upset her. I think this case with all its attention about the DP is going to be the case of the century. Hold on to your hats! This case is only going to get bigger.

[Scampi]

G'morning! Yes, in her interview after the hearing the other day she said that she is listed as 'lead attorney' but prefers to call herself, IIRC, a member of the team.

She is in the drivers seat. Even if she is using carefully chosen words like what she used above to minimize her position. The law looks at her, as being the one that knows what she's doing, lol. Bet Baez just loves that.

Morning Gator!! Oh, I'm sure macho man is just thrilled to have two women telling him how this case will proceed. :biggrin:

[Scampi]

I can just picture the look on Lyon's face after her first in depth meeting with Casey. It will astound her, how fast and easily Casey can pitch the lies and then swear to them. Lyon will have to be considering some kind of a mental defect defense after coming face-to-face with Casey.

.......and after meeting cynthia and george.

[aproudmom]

I wonder if she ever takes a moment and weeps for the victim who never had the chance to choose between life and death? I understand what she is doing, but sometimes it just makes me angry and sad at the same time.

JMO

I always wonder how these lawyers can do it without crying but guess it is in them to just do their job even if they know that person is more than likely Guilty...that's our system the victims are the ones that can not have their voice heard so the State has to do it for them..I am just like you it makes me so angry at times but then I know it is their job and our system

[aproudmom]

.......and after meeting cynthia and george.

:scared:omg I am telling you she better watch her back Mizz Cindy will get her with her hammer and Georgie will get his water hose after her:laugh:

[Explorer]

:scared:omg I am telling you she better watch her back Mizz Cindy will get her with her hammer and Georgie will get his water hose after her:laugh:

It looks as if Miss L can take care of herself.

[Heyes]

you think so well Lisa Bloom seems to think she is just so against the DP and it is not a act..lol.

Yeah, well,,,, Lisa Bloom seems to have flipped her noodle lately. Maybe the girl needs a vacation.
Morning everyone!

[Explorer]

Yeah, well,,,, Lisa Bloom seems to have flipped her noodle lately. Maybe the girl needs a vacation.
Morning everyone!

On JVM recently Miss Bloom said something like "the victim said..." and the victims lawyer said "NO the victim didnt say ANYTHING the victim is DEAD.

[ellegna]

Lyon, powerhouse that she is, is in for a wake up call when she confronts Casey. Casey isn't cowed by anyone, and Lyon will have her hands full. Even if she really is able to get through to Casey about a plea arrangement, isn't it up to the State's Attorney to agree to that?

To date I do not believe Casey has been confronted by a powerhouse.
She's been coddled by everyone and Casey enjoyed yanking on everyone's last exposed nerve.
Enter Andrea Lyon. I do not believe she will tolerate Casey's bratty attitude and Casey will find out soon enough when she's knocked off her pedestal.

You are right it's up to the State to accept a plea offer. If the plea is reasonable and realistic, I'm sure the State will consider rather than spend millions if it does go to trial.

[aproudmom]

G'morning! Yes, in her interview after the hearing the other day she said that she is listed as 'lead attorney' but prefers to call herself, IIRC, a member of the team.

She is in the drivers seat. Even if she is using carefully chosen words like what she used above to minimize her position. The law looks at her, as being the one that knows what she's doing, lol. Bet Baez just loves that.

O My bet he is so worried he will lose his control I have a feeling Lyons will do much more than he even knows at this time..I guess we shall see if they disagree like him and Terry L. the DP lawyer they had early on he did not want to go in that direction of a accident if it did happen..he wanted to go with the mental defense so him and JB butted heads we all know JB wants control and that will not change for his clients sake he is in it for him not her..so move on over BOZO ..Lyons is in the house..lol..J/K

[jammies]

.......and after meeting cynthia and george.


Oh to be a fly on the wall!

[AMS]

Morning Canada!!

Moonie gave us this great link yesterday, in it Lyon tells us exactly what a defense attorney should do in defending someone facing the DP. Very interesting reading.

http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2006/DDEFE.pdf

I agree with you, Lyon will be running this case, but something tells me baez will be kept on and given busy work to keep him out of everyone's hair.......lol.


Good a.m. - do you think it is a possibility thsat any of the mystery $$$ has been organized by Baez....so he will need to stay on for monetary reasons?

imo

[msgatorslayer]

Rut Roe - There is a new Missing Children's Outreach Center opening today. And some old names are it's creator. Kid Finder's - look out!! I don't even see a mention in this article for donations.

A-Z Missing Children's Outreach opens today in Zephyrhills

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1005703.ece

[AMS]

.......and after meeting cynthia and george.

Especially if Cindy has read the article you posted the other day about much of the behavior of the people charged in a DP case can be tied back to their childhood. (I can't remember the exact wording). hee hee hee!

imo

[Explorer]

Especially if Cindy has read the article you posted the otheh day about much of the behavior of the people charged in a DP case can be tied back to their childhood. (I can't remember the exact wording). hee hee hee!

imo

This is going to be interesting.

[msgatorslayer]

O My bet he is so worried he will lose his control I have a feeling Lyons will do much more than he even knows at this time..I guess we shall see if they disagree like him and Terry L. the DP lawyer they had early on he did not want to go in that direction of a accident if it did happen..he wanted to go with the mental defense so him and JB butted heads we all know JB wants control and that will not change for his clients sake he is in it for him not her..so move on over BOZO ..Lyons is in the house..lol..J/K

Someone needed to take control of this trial and defend it in the best possible way. No room for appeals later on. I have a feeling Lyons and Baez will have many arguments over how things need to be done. Baez, IMO, has not been doing whats in the best interest of his client. He's only been trying to get his name out there.

[aproudmom]

Yeah, well,,,, Lisa Bloom seems to have flipped her noodle lately. Maybe the girl needs a vacation.
Morning everyone!

:thumbsup:She on vacation just waiting for her to show up in FL...her last day was Friday on IS..I am going to be honest I think she used to much of LKB bleach she seems to have lost some brain cells here lately

[Heyes]

On JVM recently Miss Bloom said something like "the victim said..." and the victims lawyer said "NO the victim didnt say ANYTHING the victim is DEAD.

Really? Wow Ms. Blooom is worse off than I thought! lol

[Scampi]

Good a.m. - do you think it is a possibility thsat any of the mystery $$$ has been organized by Baez....so he will need to stay on for monetary reasons?

imo

What a great point A!! Bet you're right.

[Explorer]

Really? Wow Ms. Blooom is worse off than I thought! lol

It was the minority man in PA when 3 men beat him to a pulp and he died. It makes me so mad!

[Steps]

Welcome Steps. Yes, Lyon addresses it in this pc on the courthouse steps. My favorite video of all time so far, Kathy Belich is magnificent in it. baez talks his usual gibberish and Andrea Lyons shows us how an attorney should deal with the press, imo.


http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

Thanks Scampi for bringing up this video yesterday morning. I had read post about it but hadn't actually got to view it yet. It is my belief that when Biaz was trying to goad the reporters into going across the street and asking the pros questions, it was their was of trying to use the media to get the rest of the states evidence out there. They might be at a huge standstill trying to figure out if they should stick to the SODDI defense or go with a mental defense. I usually am not turned on by over aggressive media types, but in this case, Kathy, you go girl!!!

[Tornado]

To date I do not believe Casey has been confronted by a powerhouse.
She's been coddled by everyone and Casey enjoyed yanking on everyone's last exposed nerve.
Enter Andrea Lyon. I do not believe she will tolerate Casey's bratty attitude and Casey will find out soon enough when she's knocked off her pedestal.

You are right it's up to the State to accept a plea offer. If the plea is reasonable and realistic, I'm sure the State will consider rather than spend millions if it does go to trial.

Good morning to you and everyone : just wanted to say that ITA and I do believe that Lyons will lay things on the line for KC. I have faith in the fact that Lyons will be the dose of reality for KC that everyone has waited for.

[really3997]

Rut Roe - There is a new Missing Children's Outreach Center opening today. And some old names are it's creator. Kid Finder's - look out!! I don't even see a mention in this article for donations.

A-Z Missing Children's Outreach opens today in Zephyrhills

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1005703.ece

Wait maybe it is too early for me..Is the Kidfinders or someone else:confused:

[aproudmom]

Someone needed to take control of this trial and defend it in the best possible way. No room for appeals later on. I have a feeling Lyons and Baez will have many arguments over how things need to be done. Baez, IMO, has not been doing whats in the best interest of his client. He's only been trying to get his name out there.

oh ITA with you even though I knew JB would make it very easy for the State I really worried about appeals over him and his stupid stunts..so I am glad not sure I agree she should have 5 lawyers but I am not paying them and do not live in FL so I am not paying for it...unless they up the price of Oranges to pay for her Dream Team:biggrin:

I would love to be a fly on the wall when they go at it..lol.I know she could take him down:wink:

[msgatorslayer]

Especially if Cindy has read the article you posted the otheh day about much of the behavior of the people charged in a DP case can be tied back to their childhood. (I can't remember the exact wording). hee hee hee!

imo

FGS, can you imagine being the person for the defense in charge of talking with Cindy for information about Casey? The person who is looking for everything and anything that could be used as a mitigating factor during the penalty phase.

Cindy won't want to do it. She'll say, "She hasn't been convicted, yet!"

Not realizing that these things take time. That the biggest job of a DP attorney is not only preparing for the trial, but preparing for the penalty phase.

Oh boy, just thinking about it, I feel sorry for someone.:cursing:

[SandyO]

Someone needed to take control of this trial and defend it in the best possible way. No room for appeals later on. I have a feeling Lyons and Baez will have many arguments over how things need to be done. Baez, IMO, has not been doing whats in the best interest of his client. He's only been trying to get his name out there.

Baez might still have a valuable position as "go between" with Casey since he and she have such a good rapport. Lyon will give Baez his instructions, and then he will try to convince his girl.

[Heyes]

Thanks Scampi for bringing up this video yesterday morning. I had read post about it but hadn't actually got to view it yet. It is my belief that when Biaz was trying to goad the reporters into going across the street and asking the pros questions, it was their was of trying to use the media to get the rest of the states evidence out there. They might be at a huge standstill trying to figure out if they should stick to the SODDI defense or go with a mental defense. I usually am not turned on by over aggressive media types, but in this case, Kathy, you go girl!!!

Hi Steps, I just loved Kathy, she was like a dog with a bone. What should we ask the prosecutors? Got one of the idiots to even run away from her so as not to have to answer her question. lol lol

[JHP]

Someone needed to take control of this trial and defend it in the best possible way. No room for appeals later on. I have a feeling Lyons and Baez will have many arguments over how things need to be done. Baez, IMO, has not been doing whats in the best interest of his client. He's only been trying to get his name out there.

I wonder if Ms. Lyons REALLY knows what shes gotten herself into. We've already had 2 attorneys run from this case. The next few weeks will be quite interesting. I hope for Caseys sake she stays on. IMO Baez has some shady dealings going on. Baez is looking out for Baez, and is quite proud of himself too.

[Explorer]

Baez might still have a valuable position as "go between" with Casey since he and she have such a good rapport. Lyon will give Baez his instructions, and then he will try to convince his girl.

good rapport. I like that:biggrin:

[aproudmom]

Wait maybe it is too early for me..Is the Kidfinders or someone else:confused:

no think your safe to look..lol

[nana6]

I think Lyon will tell Casey that the nanny defense just won't float and that they have no where else to go because there's no way to keep it out after she gave a statement about it. No matter what defense they come up with the detectives will testify about Zanny. I believe even ZG is scheduled to testify. I'm wondering if Baez will allow Lyon's to have any alone time with Casey for fear of what will happen if she ever realizes the corner he helped her back herself into. Baez is counting on HIS day in court.

Hi Bala, Yes, ita. I have often t hought what it would be like if none of us OR Casey had ever heard of JB. I wonder how another no nonsense attorney would have acted all this time.

[Heyes]

Good morning to you and everyone : just wanted to say that ITA and I do believe that Lyons will lay things on the line for KC. I have faith in the fact that Lyons will be the dose of reality for KC that everyone has waited for.

hmmmm I think casey may be a dose of reality for Ms. Lyons. What is she going to do when casey doesn't like what she's hearing and shuts down and won't talk until jose gets there? What if she tells jose to fire her?

[msgatorslayer]

Baez might still have a valuable position as "go between" with Casey since he and she have such a good rapport. Lyon will give Baez his instructions, and then he will try to convince his girl.

True dat! Casey is more comfortable with men. She can manipulate them better than a woman, IMO. Baez is valuable in this department.

[aproudmom]

I wonder if Ms. Lyons REALLY knows what shes gotten herself into. We've already had 2 attorneys run from this case. The next few weeks will be quite interesting. I hope for Caseys sake she stays on. IMO Baez has some shady dealings going on. Baez is looking out for Baez, and is quite proud of himself too.

I really think they will not agree on ALOT of things and it is up to his Girl and his Girl just may want to snap out of it cause she has no clue what she is facing..I never trusted him for some reason

[msgatorslayer]

hmmmm I think casey may be a dose of reality for Ms. Lyons. What is she going to do when casey doesn't like what she's hearing and shuts down and won't talk until jose gets there? What if she tells jose to fire her?

UGH, that would be stupid on her part. But she has the right to it. Heck, she even has a right to fire them all and defend herself.:scared:

[Scampi]

Especially if Cindy has read the article you posted the other day about much of the behavior of the people charged in a DP case can be tied back to their childhood. (I can't remember the exact wording). hee hee hee!

imo

I think cynthia got the bad news already that as part of Lyon defending the OC, she will be opening two files. One about the case and one about the defendant's life, from birth until the present. Not good news for the family who took the fun out of dysfunctional, imo.

Read this PDF A, Lyon really gives us a preview of exactly how she is preparing this case, imo. It's not long, only six pages.


http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2006/DDEFE.pdf

[Heyes]

UGH, that would be stupid on her part. But she has the right to it. Heck, she even has a right to fire them all and defend herself.:scared:

Now that I would pay to see!

[Explorer]

The very first thing Miss Lyons should do is to tell them all to shut up and stay off the talk shows.

[sammy62]

oh ITA with you even though I knew JB would make it very easy for the State I really worried about appeals over him and his stupid stunts..so I am glad not sure I agree she should have 5 lawyers but I am not paying them and do not live in FL so I am not paying for it...unless they up the price of Oranges to pay for her Dream Team:biggrin:

I would love to be a fly on the wall when they go at it..lol.I know she could take him down:wink:

I'm just glad we don't have to listen to biaz bumble his way through a trial. He irritates me when he can't "get it said". :mad:

[nana6]

On JVM recently Miss Bloom said something like "the victim said..." and the victims lawyer said "NO the victim didnt say ANYTHING the victim is DEAD.

Oh you are so right on here. I wish you would go to Lisa's web site and tell her this. SHE has forgotten exactly who the real victim is I'm afraid.:sad:

[Heyes]

The very first thing Miss Lyons should do is to tell them all to shut up and stay off the talk shows.

jose would rather die first.
lol

[Explorer]

I wondre if Lyons will go along with them if they try to implicate jesse amy kronk Zenaida...

[SandyO]

Now that I would pay to see!

What? You don't think Casey's earned a law degree in all these months she's been reading law books while munching away on pork rhinds?

[aproudmom]

True dat! Casey is more comfortable with men. She can manipulate them better than a woman, IMO. Baez is valuable in this department.

well heck gator we can see that every time she shows up in court does she smile and whisper to her women lawyers..NOPE..heck the other day I was wondering if she was whispering sweet nothings in that one lawyers ear..sorry can not keep up with their names...

BOZOS snot rag is what had be laughing though I just wonder if he has a clue how stupid he looked with that green hankie hanging out...he could have at least wore a tie that matched it..

[JHP]

I really think they will not agree on ALOT of things and it is up to his Girl and his Girl just may want to snap out of it cause she has no clue what she is facing..I never trusted him for some reason

Never! He was suspicious from the start. Even how he became involved with this case has been questionable. Too many stories. His Girl, I sure wouldn't want her.

[Scampi]

Thanks Scampi for bringing up this video yesterday morning. I had read post about it but hadn't actually got to view it yet. It is my belief that when Biaz was trying to goad the reporters into going across the street and asking the pros questions, it was their was of trying to use the media to get the rest of the states evidence out there. They might be at a huge standstill trying to figure out if they should stick to the SODDI defense or go with a mental defense. I usually am not turned on by over aggressive media types, but in this case, Kathy, you go girl!!!

That was baden and baez grandstanding, because by law the Prosecutors are forbidden to comment on an ongoing case. Plus, iirc in the motion announcing that the DP was back on the table, the reasons for that decision were included.

HEYES - That was Todd Macaluso that ran away like a frightened little girl when Kathy responded with additional questions.

We need to start the Kathy Belich Fan Club!!! :thumbsup:

[Heyes]

I wondre if Lyons will go along with them if they try to implicate jesse amy kronk Zenaida...
According to the links posted yesterday, it seems Ms. Lyon would have no problem blaming the innocent. I think she's there to help sell her book and gain fame. I think that's why they're all there. This is after all a stupid nobody that murdered her baby. No more No less. These vultures are all there for face time. IMO of course.

[aproudmom]

What? You don't think Casey's earned a law degree in all these months she's been reading law books while munching away on pork rhinds?

lol first laugh of the day thanks:thumbsup:

[aproudmom]

That was baden and baez grandstanding, because by law the Prosecutors are forbidden to comment on an ongoing case. Plus, iirc in the motion announcing that the DP was back on the table, the reasons for that decision were included.

HEYES - That was Todd Macaluso that ran away like a frightened little girl when Kathy responded with additional questions.

We need to start the Kathy Belich Fan Club!!! :thumbsup:

I would be willing to pay to join that club:thumbup:

[Tornado]

hmmmm I think casey may be a dose of reality for Ms. Lyons. What is she going to do when casey doesn't like what she's hearing and shuts down and won't talk until jose gets there? What if she tells jose to fire her?

Let her fire Lyons due to the fact that she doesn't like what she has to say, an appeal for ineffective cousel later will be even harder to prove.

Let KC run thru about 2 or 3 DP qualified attorneys, DP will still be on the table and KC has no one else to blame.

[Heyes]

What? You don't think Casey's earned a law degree in all these months she's been reading law books while munching away on pork rhinds?
HA!
I did mention to my family that by the time trial starts,casey will be sitting there in a skirt, blouse, jacket, wearing glasses, trying her very best to "look" and act like she's one of the team. Writing her notes and showing the world that she is now.....In Charge of her case.

casey the lawyer. Yup, just wait.

[Explorer]

According to the links posted yesterday, it seems Ms. Lyon would have no problem blaming the innocent. I think she's there to help sell her book and gain fame. I think that's why they're all there. This is after all a stupid nobody that murdered her baby. No more No less. These vultures are all there for face time. IMO of course.

I think Miss Lyons found a platform. If she has no problem implicating innocent people then shes full of balony in my opinion. We'll see.

[aproudmom]

According to the links posted yesterday, it seems Ms. Lyon would have no problem blaming the innocent. I think she's there to help sell her book and gain fame. I think that's why they're all there. This is after all a stupid nobody that murdered her baby. No more No less. These vultures are all there for face time. IMO of course.

you really think it is about her book I have heard that but I don't know does she need KC to sell books I would just like to know who is being paid and how it makes me sick to think Caylee is paying for her murder trial...:thumbdown:

[Scampi]

Hi and good morning to all! I also agree that there will be huge disagreements between JB and AL. AL has one motive - to remove the death penalty. JB hasn't been taking this seriously at all, imo. It has been widely rumored that he is more interested in what's underneath Casey's clothing than laying out a sound strategy for her defense.

AL enters the scene and all will change. Some of us were discussing last night how Casey and Cindy appeared to be quite upset at the last court appearance. It is possible that AL has already brought a reality check to Casey in terms of her life seriously being in danger.

JB and Casey were, imo, acting out in an unreal world together. JB had no strategy at all for how to go about defending his client - other than to attack the forensics and begin to make what seemed like futile attempts that SODDIT. AL is a sharp woman and I have complete confidence that, once she is totally familiar with the case and has gotten a feeling for nobody-home Casey, she is going to go for a plea deal to get the DP off the table. JB couldn't have done this, even if he was DP qualified, because he is too emotionally attached and smitten by his client as well as his own self. Casey played him like a slot machine. But she won't be able to do that with AL. AL will be the voice of reason and reality. This is all my opinion of course.


Morning Tala, I agree with every single word.

[Heyes]

That was baden and baez grandstanding, because by law the Prosecutors are forbidden to comment on an ongoing case. Plus, iirc in the motion announcing that the DP was back on the table, the reasons for that decision were included.

HEYES - That was Todd Macaluso that ran away like a frightened little girl when Kathy responded with additional questions.

We need to start the Kathy Belich Fan Club!!! :thumbsup:

Thanks for the name. I don't think I caught it. "ran away like a frightened little girl". lol
Sign me up for that fan club. She's awesome!

[jammies]

I think cynthia got the bad news already that as part of Lyon defending the OC, she will be opening two files. One about the case and one about the defendant's life, from birth until the present. Not good news for the family who took the fun out of dysfunctional, imo.

Read this PDF A, Lyon really gives us a preview of exactly how she is preparing this case, imo. It's not long, only six pages.


http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2006/DDEFE.pdf


Very interesting. How truthful will the A's be? Liked the part about talking to an aunt, uncle, neighbors who were close enough to see the family's inner workings. Brings to mind Uncle Rick.
Gosh, I almost feel sorry for Lyon having to deal with this family.

[Heyes]

Let her fire Lyons due to the fact that she doesn't like what she has to say, an appeal for ineffective cousel later will be even harder to prove.

Let KC run thru about 2 or 3 DP qualified attorneys, DP will still be on the table and KC has no one else to blame.
I know, Isn't it beautiful?

[SandyO]

I agree with you to a point. I'm not sure to what extent AL is in it for fame, if at all. She could be. But I also fully believe that she is ferociously passionate about no death penalty. She is vehemently against the DP and is known as an activist lawyer who has seemingly devoted her life to getting people off of the DP. JMO of course. :smile:

I have a stong sense after reading everything available that Ms. Lyon's focus is to defeat the death penalty ---- not so much in getting a not guilty verdict for the client. I think you're correct here, Tal.

[aproudmom]

I think Miss Lyons found a platform. If she has no problem implicating innocent people then shes full of balony in my opinion. We'll see.

man I am sick of waiting to see...I sure hope not ofgs if they really think they can go with Zanny is JG or RK they all need to be in straight jackets...JB has done a horrible job I know you can not force your client to plea or go a different direction but I have no clue why he did not try to get her to at least say it was a accident she was so scared for her parents to find out..I mean my gosh anything other than what they are trying to say I am sorry no jury will go for this defense..JMO

[Explorer]

Maybe after this case AL will start believing in the DP.

[Scampi]

I agree with you to a point. I'm not sure to what extent AL is in it for fame, if at all. She could be. But I also fully believe that she is ferociously passionate about no death penalty. She is vehemently against the DP and is known as an activist lawyer who has seemingly devoted her life to getting people off of the DP. JMO of course. :smile:

Yes, and to that end I believe that Lyon will NOT allow Caylee Anthony to be forgotten in that courtroom. This is a pro and the case she presents will be exceptional, imo.

I can be totally with the prosecution in this case and still admire Lyon and her passionate defense of a person facing death.

To me it is very gratifying that the OC is having to face the death penalty. I think that is just. I do not want her to actually receive it tho, not because I am against the DP per se, but because I believe it is too easy an out, for the suffering she caused Caylee Anthony.

I wish the OC a long life, lived in a cage. That's where monsters belong, imo.

[Explorer]

man I am sick of waiting to see...I sure hope not ofgs if they really think they can go with Zanny is JG or RK they all need to be in straight jackets...JB has done a horrible job I know you can not force your client to plea or go a different direction but I have no clue why he did not try to get her to at least say it was a accident she was so scared for her parents to find out..I mean my gosh anything other than what they are trying to say I am sorry no jury will go for this defense..JMO

I know. Im waiting to see what direction shes going to go. If she goes along with SODDI then I dont have respect for her.

[Heyes]

you really think it is about her book I have heard that but I don't know does she need KC to sell books I would just like to know who is being paid and how it makes me sick to think Caylee is paying for her murder trial...:thumbdown:

The publicity she's getting is priceless. You couldn't buy this. Yeah, color me jaded but I think they're all there for the publicity. Well I think baez has one other reason......cough cough puppy love cough

[msgatorslayer]

Very interesting. How truthful will the A's be? Liked the part about talking to an aunt, uncle, neighbors who were close enough to see the family's inner workings. Brings to mind Uncle Rick.
Gosh, I almost feel sorry for Lyon having to deal with this family.

If I was in charge, I'd speak with Uncle Rick first, lol.

Cindy doesn't want anything negative about her family to come out. She's been failing to hide it already. Wait till all these family members spill every little detail that they know. May send Cindy overboard.

[ellegna]

Casey meets her match (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/CaseymeetsLyon.jpg)
Casey is already looking up to Andrea Lyon :tonguewag:

If they butt heads.....who do you think will win?

[Explorer]

The publicity she's getting is priceless. You couldn't buy this. Yeah, color me jaded but I think they're all there for the publicity. Well I think baez has one other reason......cough cough puppy love cough

The a's and the odious one have surrounded themselves with VULTURES.

[Explorer]

Only thing about vultures is they can turn around and eat them.

[Explorer]

I think cindy is worried.:biggrin:

[msgatorslayer]

Hi and good morning to all! I also agree that there will be huge disagreements between JB and AL. AL has one motive - to remove the death penalty. JB hasn't been taking this seriously at all, imo. It has been widely rumored that he is more interested in what's underneath Casey's clothing than laying out a sound strategy for her defense.

AL enters the scene and all will change. Some of us were discussing last night how Casey and Cindy appeared to be quite upset at the last court appearance. It is possible that AL has already brought a reality check to Casey in terms of her life seriously being in danger.

JB and Casey were, imo, acting out in an unreal world together. JB had no strategy at all for how to go about defending his client - other than to attack the forensics and begin to make what seemed like futile attempts that SODDIT. AL is a sharp woman and I have complete confidence that, once she is totally familiar with the case and has gotten a feeling for nobody-home Casey, she is going to go for a plea deal to get the DP off the table. JB couldn't have done this, even if he was DP qualified, because he is too emotionally attached and smitten by his client as well as his own self. Casey played him like a slot machine. But she won't be able to do that with AL. AL will be the voice of reason and reality. This is all my opinion of course.

ITA with everything you say.

Nobody thus far has seemed to take this seriously. They've all been living in an 'unreal world'.

[Scampi]

Morning Scampi! I'm enjoying my coffee and hoping I am not on here for 15 hours like I was yesterday. I have chores to do! LOL

LOL, this case is so addicting. In addition we have the civil action to keep tabs on. BTW, we should be learning soon when the next hearing is to determine if cynthia and george have to answer the questions they refused to answer at the first depo and if they are liable for costs. I think we can safely assume Brad's back is better.............lol.

[Heyes]

I agree with you to a point. I'm not sure to what extent AL is in it for fame, if at all. She could be. But I also fully believe that she is ferociously passionate about no death penalty. She is vehemently against the DP and is known as an activist lawyer who has seemingly devoted her life to getting people off of the DP. JMO of course. :smile:
Perhaps. But after seeing her stand up and start yapping in court when she knew it wasn't proper yet. Not to mention her yapping on the court house steps leads me to believe that she's there for the reason I mentioned. I think she feels she's hit the lotttery with this one.

[aproudmom]

Very interesting. How truthful will the A's be? Liked the part about talking to an aunt, uncle, neighbors who were close enough to see the family's inner workings. Brings to mind Uncle Rick.
Gosh, I almost feel sorry for Lyon having to deal with this family.

OMG I feel sorry for their dogs having to deal with them...poor little things:wink:

[Steps]

The very first thing Miss Lyons should do is to tell them all to shut up and stay off the talk shows.

Oh, my, Cindy won't be able to accept that!!!:scared:

[jammies]

If I was in charge, I'd speak with Uncle Rick first, lol.

Cindy doesn't want anything negative about her family to come out. She's been failing to hide it already. Wait till all these family members spill every little detail that they know. May send Cindy overboard.


Cindy and GA will paint a picture of the Cleaver family. Loving daughter who always tells the truth even when she lies. Lied about working only because she wanted to spend more time w/her daughter, etc. etc.
Cindy's REAL worry is that she herself won't be portrayed as Mother of The Year. Her focus will be on how SHE is portrayed.
Oh and that fight, I bet Cindy denies to her dying day that it never happened.

[aproudmom]

If anyone knows what does JG do now..I noticed his lawyer kept saying he was a police officer I thought he quit:confused:

[msgatorslayer]

I think cindy is worried.:biggrin:

She should be!!!!! Even if she wants to think that Casey is wrongly accused, being on trial for murder with the DP hanging over ones head is very serious and shouldn't be taken as lightly as the Anthony's and Team have been taking it.

[Scampi]

Casey meets her match (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/CaseymeetsLyon.jpg)
Casey is already looking up to Andrea Lyon :tonguewag:

If they butt heads.....who do you think will win?

Whoa!!!! What a shot, and because I am very fond of my little shrimp nic, that is all I will say. :tongueside:

[Explorer]

She should be!!!!! Even if she wants to think that Casey is wrongly accused, being on trial for murder with the DP hanging over ones head is very serious and shouldn't be taken as lightly as the Anthony's and Team have been taking it.

But But But there is bear money to be made.

[Explorer]

ITA with all you say. I also want LWOP for Casey. I feel that would be a just and fitting punishment for her. Mad Myrtle and Big Bertha are waiting for her in the prison shower. That's the type of life she deserves. imo

That will be good enough for me too.

[aproudmom]

Cindy and GA will paint a picture of the Cleaver family. Loving daughter who always tells the truth even when she lies. Lied about working only because she wanted to spend more time w/her daughter, etc. etc.
Cindy's REAL worry is that she herself won't be portrayed as Mother of The Year. Her focus will be on how SHE is portrayed.
Oh and that fight, I bet Cindy denies to her dying day that it never happened.

Hey you jammies you just stole my June Cleaver and Beaver Clever if only there was a Squirrel Cleaver we would have the cleaver family:biggrin:

[Heyes]

Whoa!!!! What a shot, and because I am very fond of my little shrimp nic, that is all I will say. :tongueside:

LOL I know, sat on my hands on that one. lol lol

[aproudmom]

That will be good enough for me too.

me to I have said that since they were even talking the DP it is harder to get a DP conviction and then all the appeals and the money...nah let her go with LWOP it is good enough IMO

I do know when they say LWOP in FL it is LWOP in some states they just give life and in 30 yrs they are out...

[jammies]

"Also on your to-do list in a capital case is to decide whether
your client needs to go to trial at all. The importance of negotiation
cannot be stressed enough. If it is possible to settle your
case with a plea for life or a term of years, you should work to
do that. Many factors play into the ability to negotiate: strength
of the prosecution’s murder case, strength of the aggravation
case, whether it is an election year (is the judge going to worry
about how he looks to the electorate?), whether you are an
opponent the prosecution respects, and a host of other issues."

From Scampi's PDF.

Interesting.

[msgatorslayer]

I think cynthia got the bad news already that as part of Lyon defending the OC, she will be opening two files. One about the case and one about the defendant's life, from birth until the present. Not good news for the family who took the fun out of dysfunctional, imo.

Read this PDF A, Lyon really gives us a preview of exactly how she is preparing this case, imo. It's not long, only six pages.


http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2006/DDEFE.pdf

Thanks for linking this, Reggie.

I haven't read it all. But I believe it answers some questions. Like, it only takes ONE AGGRAVATING FACTOR for it to be a DP case.

Baez was bumbling the other day about the State not getting back to him on WHY they are seeking the DP. I was wondering if there was a score card on AGG FACTORS. If a minimum were needed. I didn't think so. Because I've seen cases where there were 3, 8, etc. All over the board.

So, Baez was rambling about a whole lotta nothing, IMO. The State doesn't need to get back to him about anything. Caylee was under 12. There!!! That in itself can be a reason, Jose.

[martha]

ITA and I would be fine with hearing LWOPI am with you on this if she gets lwop that is fine with me. I don;t really think anything bothers casey but maybe with a lot of years to think about what she has done might make her really think. jmho been gone over a week so I am way behind hope I can catch up with you ladies later on today. missed you all so very much.:wub:

[aproudmom]

Casey meets her match (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/CaseymeetsLyon.jpg)
Casey is already looking up to Andrea Lyon :tonguewag:

If they butt heads.....who do you think will win?

:ohmy:OMG That was umm scary I bet on Lyons winning

[msgatorslayer]

But But But there is bear money to be made.

:rolleyes: They can at least think of something original.

[jammies]

Hey you jammies you just stole my June Cleaver and Beaver Clever if only there was a Squirrel Cleaver we would have the cleaver family:biggrin:



My cousin is "raising" a baby squirrel that fell out of it's nest. Had to squirrel-sit two weeks ago! We could make him an honorary member??!

Chippy is his name. Chippy Cleaver. Rolls off the tongue quite nicely!

[AMS]

I think cynthia got the bad news already that as part of Lyon defending the OC, she will be opening two files. One about the case and one about the defendant's life, from birth until the present. Not good news for the family who took the fun out of dysfunctional, imo.

Read this PDF A, Lyon really gives us a preview of exactly how she is preparing this case, imo. It's not long, only six pages.


http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2006/DDEFE.pdf


Thank you very much. Great read. The involvment of the family is critical in her strategy. My favorite line: "Before you interview your client's family members, be sure to have in mind some of the different possible reactions they may have".

Lyon's theme song now may become "If I had a hammer".


imo

[Heyes]

"Also on your to-do list in a capital case is to decide whether
your client needs to go to trial at all. The importance of negotiation
cannot be stressed enough. If it is possible to settle your
case with a plea for life or a term of years, you should work to
do that. Many factors play into the ability to negotiate: strength
of the prosecution’s murder case, strength of the aggravation
case, whether it is an election year (is the judge going to worry
about how he looks to the electorate?), whether you are an
opponent the prosecution respects, and a host of other issues."

From Scampi's PDF.

Interesting.'

Where does the negotiation come into play when she's already claiming her client is innocent? Of course she's not read much about the case yet. That didn't stop her from towing the innocent line. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Explorer]

me to I have said that since they were even talking the DP it is harder to get a DP conviction and then all the appeals and the money...nah let her go with LWOP it is good enough IMO

I do know when they say LWOP in FL it is LWOP in some states they just give life and in 30 yrs they are out...

Just as long as shes taken out of the general population.

[jammies]

'

Where does the negotiation come into play when she's already claiming her client is innocent? Of course she's not read much about the case yet. That didn't stop her from towing the innocent line. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.


Yes, it may get interesting. She may want to strangle Casey herself after she reads up and has some in depth conversations with her. :w00t:

[SandyO]

:ohmy:OMG That was umm scary I bet on Lyons winning

Just look at them gams!

[Heyes]

OMG! I just looked at that pic. Casey is huge!

Did ya see pathetic george and cindy in the back? lol
Cindy wants casey to look at her sooooooo bad...
Look at me casey...see my pain.... i'm such a victim here!

meanwhile george just wants to say, hi gorgeous!!!!

[aproudmom]

I am with you on this if she gets lwop that is fine with me. I don;t really think anything bothers casey but maybe with a lot of years to think about what she has done might make her really think. jmho been gone over a week so I am way behind hope I can catch up with you ladies later on today. missed you all so very much.:wub:

hi sweety I am behind to trying to keep up on little Nevaeh and this one I agree Casey will be just fine she likes free room and board the only problem she may have in the Big House is working. maybe she can be the event planner in the slammer...:wink:

[Explorer]

'

Where does the negotiation come into play when she's already claiming her client is innocent? Of course she's not read much about the case yet. That didn't stop her from towing the innocent line. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Thats what I dont understand Lyons is saying innocent. If she was going to go with family dysfunction wouldnt she say not guilty?

[Scampi]

LOL I know, sat on my hands on that one. lol lol

There will be golden crowns awaiting us in heaven for listening to the better angels of our nature. :smile:

[Explorer]

Innocent means someone else did it and the odious one had nothing to do with it.

[aproudmom]

Did ya see pathetic george and cindy in the back? lol
Cindy wants casey to look at her sooooooo bad...
Look at me casey...see my pain.... i'm such a victim here!

meanwhile george just wants to say, hi gorgeous!!!!

I saw them..and she is gaining a lot of weight..actually I am shocked I figured she would want to look like a 10...lol..well she is about a 14 now and not in her looks as in her pants...my gosh she needs to write a letter to mom and ask mommy to go buy some clothes for her..

[bchand]

If I was in charge, I'd speak with Uncle Rick first, lol.

Cindy doesn't want anything negative about her family to come out. She's been failing to hide it already. Wait till all these family members spill every little detail that they know. May send Cindy overboard.

Me too, then Shirley. I hope Rick tells her about brother Dan (Cindy's brother) who said "I don't believe anything that comes out of that house."

[SandyO]

hi sweety I am behind to trying to keep up on little Nevaeh and this one I agree Casey will be just fine she likes free room and board the only problem she may have in the Big House is working. maybe she can be the event planner in the slammer...:wink:

This makes me think of Scott Peterson. Apparently he has adjusted very well to being incarcerated and seems content. Of course he'd rather have a successful appeal and get out, but for now he seems quite happy. I can't understand it at all, but I think maybe Casey would be the same --- relieved to have someone else taking care of everything for her.

[Scampi]

Lyon says according to Florida law she is designated lead counsel but she considers herself a member of the team. Jose :drool: already said that LKB is his "right-hand man" and "I have" the best DP qualified attorney working for me. Which is it? Can Baez be leader but not lead?

I think this is a case of allowing the rooster to crow, while the "hens" deliver the goods.

Really, if you were Lyon would you allow the incompetent jose to run your case? Nope, I think Lyon takes her responsibility of saving the OC from being put to death much more seriously then that.

[really3997]

Casey meets her match (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/CaseymeetsLyon.jpg)
Casey is already looking up to Andrea Lyon :tonguewag:

If they butt heads.....who do you think will win?

OMG I am having that picture put on my christmas cards this year...

[Heyes]

Thats what I dont understand Lyons is saying innocent. If she was going to go with family dysfunction wouldnt she say not guilty?
Makes no sense to me.
On another note. What happened between brad and the anthonys? isn't it odd that he positioned himself on the pros. side and not next to the anthony's on casey's side? Wonder what's up, I feel somethings up there.

[Explorer]

I saw them..and she is gaining a lot of weight..actually I am shocked I figured she would want to look like a 10...lol..well she is about a 14 now and not in her looks as in her pants...my gosh she needs to write a letter to mom and ask mommy to go buy some clothes for her..

I would say shes looking more like 16-20

[*MoonRider*]

Casey meets her match (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/CaseymeetsLyon.jpg)
Casey is already looking up to Andrea Lyon :tonguewag:

If they butt heads.....who do you think will win?

GM all. Whenever I sign in a take a deep breath hoping I'm not in camp. :ohmy: Great picture! I love George & Cindy in the background.

[Heyes]

There will be golden crowns awaiting us in heaven for listening to the better angels of our nature. :smile:

LOL too cute!

[msgatorslayer]

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Where does the negotiation come into play when she's already claiming her client is innocent? Of course she's not read much about the case yet. That didn't stop her from towing the innocent line. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Even after reading up on the case, she's not going to come out and say, 'my client is guilty'.

She will work behind the scenes. That's if she can get Casey to even think of a plea deal. She will then quietly work with the State to see what she can get. If anything at all.

IMO, the State would go with a plea deal.

It costs more for a DP case.

[Heyes]

I believe that AL is the lead since she is the DP qualified attorney but, for the appearance of unity amongst them, she put herself in the "member of the team" light. JMO but I think that is the way it is. JB will not be able to get around the fact that the life of his client lies in AL's hands. I don't think he gave it a thought before she came on the scene but I do believe he is beginning to get it now. jmo
How is jose going to handle it when the judge wants to speak to the lead attorney and it ain't jose?

[Explorer]

The whole buch of vultures are going to have to stay on CaA good side to further their agenda whatever it may be. So they are going to treat her with kid gloves. She is central the star of the show.

[jammies]

Even after reading up on the case, she's not going to come out and say, 'my client is guilty'.

She will work behind the scenes. That's if she can get Casey to even think of a plea deal. She will then quietly work with the State to see what she can get. If anything at all.

IMO, the State would go with a plea deal.

It costs more for a DP case.


Perfect post. Short and to the point. This is exactly what I think will happen.

[aproudmom]

My cousin is "raising" a baby squirrel that fell out of it's nest. Had to squirrel-sit two weeks ago! We could make him an honorary member??!

Chippy is his name. Chippy Cleaver. Rolls off the tongue quite nicely!

aww how sweet I say we do make him a honorary member...

[AMS]

I think this is a case of allowing the rooster to crow, while the "hens" deliver the goods.

Really, if you were Lyon would you allow the incompetent jose to run your case? Nope, I think Lyon takes her responsibility of saving the OC from being put to death much more seriously then that.

I would think Lyon would want to see resolution on his bar complaints. I don't think she would want the complaints/media coverage taking center stage at some future point. I wonder if she has discussed the complaints with Baez.


imo

[Heyes]

Even after reading up on the case, she's not going to come out and say, 'my client is guilty'.

She will work behind the scenes. That's if she can get Casey to even think of a plea deal. She will then quietly work with the State to see what she can get. If anything at all.

IMO, the State would go with a plea deal.

It costs more for a DP case.

Well the greedy, nosey, loves entertainment me would prefer to see this go to trial. But the sensible, don't make the state of Florida have to shell out the bucks me says.... a plea would be best.

[Scampi]

"Also on your to-do list in a capital case is to decide whether
your client needs to go to trial at all. The importance of negotiation
cannot be stressed enough. If it is possible to settle your
case with a plea for life or a term of years, you should work to
do that. Many factors play into the ability to negotiate: strength
of the prosecution’s murder case, strength of the aggravation
case, whether it is an election year (is the judge going to worry
about how he looks to the electorate?), whether you are an
opponent the prosecution respects, and a host of other issues."

From Scampi's PDF.

Interesting.

Jammies, love the squirrel info.....:wub:

Thanks to Moonie for that great PDF, btw. IIRC, in that article she also mentions that every DP case should have an expert on it to psychologically evaluate the defendant and that info does not have to be turned over to the prosecution as discovery, until the penalty phase.

[aproudmom]

Perfect post. Short and to the point. This is exactly what I think will happen.

I sure hope so just looking at what most say on here everyone is fine with LWOP..and I really think the state would go for it..if not then I would support their decision

[Explorer]

If she's sad and lonely too, she can join the blogger's club! :laugh:

:thumbsup:

[Pam1569]

Thanks for linking this, Reggie.

I haven't read it all. But I believe it answers some questions. Like, it only takes ONE AGGRAVATING FACTOR for it to be a DP case.

Baez was bumbling the other day about the State not getting back to him on WHY they are seeking the DP. I was wondering if there was a score card on AGG FACTORS. If a minimum were needed. I didn't think so. Because I've seen cases where there were 3, 8, etc. All over the board.

So, Baez was rambling about a whole lotta nothing, IMO. The State doesn't need to get back to him about anything. Caylee was under 12. There!!! That in itself can be a reason, Jose.

GM msgator :seeya:
ITA with you. How dare JB want the state to point out to him in the discovery pages of what are the exact reasons that DP has been put back on the table. He needs to do his own homework and stop wanting other people to do his work for him.
Also I did notice in the wftv video of after the hearing that Lyon first says this is not a DP case and she will show that, but then she is asked about the case going on in October and she states that this is a DP case and it will not go on in October. Double talk if you ask me is what she is doing.
Also did anyone else notice that LKB in the video @ 7:43 she calls JB Mr. Anthony. :laugh:

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

[SandyO]

Does anyone know if Ms. Lyon is still in Orlando, or if she's returned to Chicago? I know a lot can be accomplished via telephone, faxes and e-mail, but it doesn't seem this case should be directed from a distance.

[sammy62]

ITA with all you say. I also want LWOP for Casey. I feel that would be a just and fitting punishment for her. Mad Myrtle and Big Bertha are waiting for her in the prison shower. That's the type of life she deserves. imo

I'm not so sure that Casey wouldn't "love" Myrtle and Big Bertha:tonguewag:

[aproudmom]

I would think Lyon would want to see resolution on his bar complaints. I don't think she would want the complaints/media coverage taking center stage at some future point. I wonder if she has discussed the complaints with Baez.


imo

AMS I never thought of that I am sure she does not want the circus going on when she is trying to get a fair trial..good point

is there anyone on here that will be going to the trial when it does go to trial?? I mean like any local people I know we all would probably like to be there for our Caylee

[Explorer]

AL's profile pic sure looks very professional. I wonder why she didn't at least have her hair done before she appeared at the hearing. The hair was all out there and frizzy. This defense team looks hungry and not in the way of NOT eating. They all look like they haven't worked in years.:scared:
JMHO

They do look ragged.

[Scampi]

I'm not so sure that Casey wouldn't "love" Myrtle and Big Bertha:tonguewag:


Based on some of the photos we have seen, you have a point.


:cool:

[Heyes]

I'm not so sure that Casey wouldn't "love" Myrtle and Big Bertha:tonguewag:

Casey is starting to look like Big Bertha!
Keep that money coming casey lovers!
Cindy must be shocked that her perfect daughter is looking like us bloggers these days. lol lol lol

Now that I think of it, I bet by not sending in clothes that actually fit casey, it's cindy's little way of letting casey know that she needs to drop some pounds to fit in the clothes she sends.
he he

[kOOkie1]

How is jose going to handle it when the judge wants to speak to the lead attorney and it ain't jose?

..Maybe it will give Jose more quality note-passing time with his girl!;)

[really3997]

AMS I never thought of that I am sure she does not want the circus going on when she is trying to get a fair trial..good point

is there anyone on here that will be going to the trial when it does go to trial?? I mean like any local people I know we all would probably like to be there for our Caylee

:seeya::seeya: fingers crossed

[nana6]

OMG! I just looked at that pic. Casey is huge!

I think I missed this one. Where can I go to see it?

[aproudmom]

I'm not so sure that Casey wouldn't "love" Myrtle and Big Bertha:tonguewag:

I'm not so sure she would have a problem with it she just may like both of them at one time..:biggrin:

[aproudmom]

I think I missed this one. Where can I go to see it?

WARNING close your eyes:wink:

[Bala]

Yeah, well,,,, Lisa Bloom seems to have flipped her noodle lately. Maybe the girl needs a vacation.
Morning everyone!

I noticed this too. What's with defending all the criminals all of a sudden. Maybe she's turning into her mother the ambulance chaser.
I use to like her but lately I just want to tell her to zip it.

[Heyes]

:seeya::seeya: fingers crossed

Soooooo You're going to be there for us, right? :wub:
By the way, has the boat or billboard been parked at the scam art......er the anthony's house lately?

[Explorer]

I noticed this too. What's with defending all the criminals all of a sudden. Maybe she's turning into her mother the ambulance chaser.
I use to like her but lately I just want to tell her to zip it.

Probably cant find work.

[jammies]

AL's profile pic sure looks very professional. I wonder why she didn't at least have her hair done before she appeared at the hearing. The hair was all out there and frizzy. This defense team looks hungry and not in the way of NOT eating. They all look like they haven't worked in years.:scared:
JMHO



Yep, pretty rag-tag. In AL's defense.....the humidity in FLA will do a frizz job on your hair. Both she and LKB would look more professional if they put it up.

[Explorer]

Guess she or LKB wont be dancing at Fusion anytime soon:biggrin:

[nana6]

How is jose going to handle it when the judge wants to speak to the lead attorney and it ain't jose?

Hi Heyes, I believe all the judge has to do is give a little look JB"s way and say No way Jose and that will be it!!!!!!!

[really3997]

Soooooo You're going to be there for us, right? :wub:
By the way, has the boat or billboard been parked at the scam art......er the anthony's house lately?

Of course...again fingers crossed I believe it is not up to only me..no boat association told to move it

[Heyes]

I noticed this too. What's with defending all the criminals all of a sudden. Maybe she's turning into her mother the ambulance chaser.
I use to like her but lately I just want to tell her to zip it.

Don't know what happened. I had so much respect for her. Seems that she has a new agenda. Wonder what her plans are now that she's left IS? Maybe that will tell us why she's planted one of her feet on the dark side.

[*MoonRider*]

Page 4 of this thread, first post by Scampi contains the link. Prepare thyself.

I didn't see leg irons? I could swear I heard them clang when I was watching the hearing. Maybe it was wishful hearing. :confused:

[Heyes]

Hi Heyes, I believe all the judge has to do is give a little look JB"s way and say No way Jose and that will be it!!!!!!!

Jose is going to have a fit and fall in it. Love it!

[Bala]

I would think Lyon would want to see resolution on his bar complaints. I don't think she would want the complaints/media coverage taking center stage at some future point. I wonder if she has discussed the complaints with Baez.


imo

I agree not only that but she isn't going to like having her name tarnished next to Baez with her book coming out. If he looks bad she looks bad.

[jammies]

Don't know what happened. I had so much respect for her. Seems that she has a bew agenda. Wonder what her plans are now that she's left IS? Maybe that will tell us why she's planted one of her feet on the dark side.



I still miss Ricki and her sidekick that wore suspenders. And of course, NG.

[Steps]

I saw them..and she is gaining a lot of weight..actually I am shocked I figured she would want to look like a 10...lol..well she is about a 14 now and not in her looks as in her pants...my gosh she needs to write a letter to mom and ask mommy to go buy some clothes for her..

Maybe that's why Casey wouldn't even look at mom. She could be mad at mommy for sending her 5's instead of 14's for her hearing!! Oh, wait, OC would NEVER want to tell Baez her true size now!!:rolleyes:

[Heyes]

Of course...again fingers crossed I believe it is not up to only me..no boat association told to move it

Coool!
I would be there in a heartbeat if I didn't live on the other side of the country.
The association told them to move it? Poor george he was so proud of his boat, he even parked it on the sacred grass that no one was supposed to even walk on. Bet Milstead has it at his house and george goes over and sits in it dreaming of his best day of fishing.

[aproudmom]

Casey is starting to look like Big Bertha!
Keep that money coming casey lovers!
Cindy must be shocked that her perfect daughter is looking like us bloggers these days. lol lol lol

Now that I think of it, I bet by not sending in clothes that actually fit casey, it's cindy's little way of letting casey know that she needs to drop some pounds to fit in the clothes she sends.
he he

:laugh:lol you may just be right I mean heck I got boys but I think if I was CA I would run out and buy her clothes or tell DADDY G to stop sending money to her so she could lose a few pounds..she seems to care about people picking her apart well hello Cindy your not helping us out...

[Remy]

Innocent means someone else did it and the odious one had nothing to do with it.

AL is a very strategic attorney so I interpret her saying that KC is innocent as the murder being not premeditated and with murder one the death penalty doesn't apply but that's jmo.

[aproudmom]

Probably cant find work.

she is on her way to HOLLYWOOD..

[Bala]

That was baden and baez grandstanding, because by law the Prosecutors are forbidden to comment on an ongoing case. Plus, iirc in the motion announcing that the DP was back on the table, the reasons for that decision were included.

HEYES - That was Todd Macaluso that ran away like a frightened little girl when Kathy responded with additional questions.

We need to start the Kathy Belich Fan Club!!! :thumbsup:

I was waiting for one of the reporters to ask Baez if he was aware of even one time the Prosecutors gave a new con. or answer question. They are the ones Not trying this case in the media. Baez could learn a few things from them.

[Explorer]

Those pants looked like they could belong to her brother. She probably can't fit into any of her own pants anymore. The blouse barely buttons. Just shows ya what cheetos, chocolate and hoo hoos can do for ya!

HEY dont be dissin cheetos a have a big freshly open bag in front of me:laugh:

[aproudmom]

Guess she or LKB wont be dancing at Fusion anytime soon:biggrin:

are they looking for shot girls..maybe they could try that and see if they can find caylee's kidnapper and killer there

[Explorer]

I just opened the bag and i looked up and read your post:biggrin:

[Heyes]

:laugh:lol you may just be right I mean heck I got boys but I think if I was CA I would run out and buy her clothes or tell DADDY G to stop sending money to her so she could lose a few pounds..she seems to care about people picking her apart well hello Cindy your not helping us out...
LOL cindy is too busy trying to get the world to feel sorry for her. she wrote suicide notes dontchaknow!
I have never seen someone try to be the victim like cindy does.
I want to grab some gloves and slap them across her face and tell her to snap out of it. You're not a victim, you're an accomplice.
imo

[101Spots]

Casey meets her match (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/CaseymeetsLyon.jpg)
Casey is already looking up to Andrea Lyon :tonguewag:

If they butt heads.....who do you think will win?

That's LKB she's greeting, not AL. I recognize the we-had-to-put-an-elastic-gusset-in-her-suit-so-she-could-squeeze-into-it attire.

What a view!

[aproudmom]

I was waiting for one of the reporters to ask Baez if he was aware of even one time the Prosecutors gave a new con. or answer question. They are the ones Not trying this case in the media. Baez could learn a few things from them.

JB runs out to gives his new conf. and the Prosecutors go fishing:biggrin: or that is what he says it is a fishing exhibition

[crimeq]

JB definitely will be kept on. He's probably going to end up as the gopher :tonguewag:

As befits someone of his stature. (Thanks, KathiB)

Morning everybody. I'm doing a quick hit-and-run with a cup of coffee and then getting ready to go to a big bead show today :-) Will catch up with everybody later this evening!

[Steps]

Does anyone else see the resemblance of Andrea Lyon and Dr. Lynn Herold, the medical examiner in the Spector trial? Now that was one smart lady!

[ellegna]

GM all. Whenever I sign in a take a deep breath hoping I'm not in camp. :ohmy: Great picture! I love George & Cindy in the background.


Here's a closer shot of poor poor Cindy and George (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseyleavingcourt.jpg)
Almost makes you feel sorry for them. NOT :rolleyes:

[SandyO]

That's LKB she's greeting, not AL. I recognize the we-had-to-put-an-elastic-gusset-in-her-suit-so-she-could-squeeze-into-it attire.

What a view!

Poor Cindy and George...........like two pathetic little bobbleheads back there.

[jammies]

Here's a closer shot of poor poor Cindy and George (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseyleavingcourt.jpg)
Almost makes you feel sorry for them. NOT :rolleyes:


Cindy trying so hard for some attention. Her own lawyer never even looked her way.

[Heyes]

Poor Cindy and George...........like two pathetic little bobbleheads back there.

cindy is all slumped and pouty, not one of them noticed. Must have been he** to pay in the anthony household that night.
Cindy does not like being ignored.

[Steps]

Here's a closer shot of poor poor Cindy and George (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseyleavingcourt.jpg)
Almost makes you feel sorry for them. NOT :rolleyes:

And Casey is enjoying all of the attention she is getting in this photo. Yea, well, when I start to feel sorry for G and C I just remember their behavior at the depo for ZG and then I come back to my senses!!

[cassidy]

Here's a closer shot of poor poor Cindy and George (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseyleavingcourt.jpg)
Almost makes you feel sorry for them. NOT :rolleyes:

Yep, they've lost their baby girl. She won't even acknowledge their exsistence in public anymore. She's hanging with the important attorney's now. No need for Cindy and George. Kinda like the way they treated Caylee after death huh? Guess the apple really doesn't fall too far from the tree.

JMO

[aproudmom]

LOL cindy is too busy trying to get the world to feel sorry for her. she wrote suicide notes dontchaknow!
I have never seen someone try to be the victim like cindy does.
I want to grab some gloves and slap them across her face and tell her to snap out of it. You're not a victim, you're an accomplice.
imo

I am in line right behind you..I know I am so sick of poor me but the sad thing is her nor GA never say Caylee's name or not that I hear they say our granddaughter she did have a name and it was not CMA CMA CMA...

I just may hop and plane and go to FL it would be worth seeing them squirm in the witness stand would not be the first time I hoped a plane to see a trial of a dead child who was killed by her parent

[Heyes]

Yep, they've lost their baby girl. She won't even acknowledge their exsistence in public anymore. She's hanging with the important attorney's now. No need for Cindy and George. Kinda like the way they treated Caylee after death huh? Guess the apple really doesn't fall too far from the tree.

JMO


Caylee who?



sheeeesh
I'm suprised they were't standing there holding the teddy bears.

[ellegna]

That's LKB she's greeting, not AL. I recognize the we-had-to-put-an-elastic-gusset-in-her-suit-so-she-could-squeeze-into-it attire.

What a view!

Is it really?
Oh well. Understandable mistake. They both look the same from behind. :tongue:

[CRRJJ]

I guess this is a little off the topic but I was wondering if anyone else is bothered by this: I can't remember which trial it was but not too long ago, LKB was the attorney for the defense. Her husband, the forensic scientist, Dr. Biden testified at the trial and testified for the defense. Now, does that seem very unfair to anyone but me? I could not believe the law would allow that. I don't care how professional they are I have a hard time believing he wouldn't lean toward her side. Discussing it over the dinner table, perhaps?
Anyone have any other ideas or slant on this?

[aproudmom]

And Casey is enjoying all of the attention she is getting in this photo. Yea, well, when I start to feel sorry for G and C I just remember their behavior at the depo for ZG and then I come back to my senses!!

Me to cause I have tried so hard to think positive about them an they screw it up every time

[Heyes]

I am in line right behind you..I know I am so sick of poor me but the sad thing is her nor GA never say Caylee's name or not that I hear they say our granddaughter she did have a name and it was not CMA CMA CMA...

I just may hop and plane and go to FL it would be worth seeing them squirm in the witness stand would not be the first time I hoped a plane to see a trial of a dead child who was killed by her parent
Man, if I had the money I'd be there with ya.
I'm looing forward to the judge telling cindy and george that yes they have to answer the questions.
Their reaction to that will be a show in itself. Bet cindy raises her hand and tries to start telling the judge her story. At least her newly created story as to why she shouldn't have to do anything the opposing camp wants her to do.

[cassidy]

Caylee who?



sheeeesh
I'm suprised they were't standing there holding the teddy bears.


Cindy probably had a couple in her purse. Just didn't have time to get them out in the brief moment the cameras were on her. Thought she'd have more time at the end, but no one cared about her then either.

Oh well Cindy, TV cameo time is about ending for you.

JMO

[cassidy]

I admit to a pang. It passed.

I don't even get the little pang anymore.

[101Spots]

I admit to a pang. It passed.

I had a pang, too. Turned out to be gas.

[Scampi]

Does anyone else see the resemblance of Andrea Lyon and Dr. Lynn Herold, the medical examiner in the Spector trial? Now that was one smart lady!

YES! I did think of Dr. Herrold when I first saw Lyon and that long hair.

[101Spots]

I guess this is a little off the topic but I was wondering if anyone else is bothered by this: I can't remember which trial it was but not too long ago, LKB was the attorney for the defense. Her husband, the forensic scientist, Dr. Biden testified at the trial and testified for the defense. Now, does that seem very unfair to anyone but me? I could not believe the law would allow that. I don't care how professional they are I have a hard time believing he wouldn't lean toward her side. Discussing it over the dinner table, perhaps?
Anyone have any other ideas or slant on this?

Spector I. LKB was conveniently "under the weather" <cough, cough> and absent when hubby testified. He was a buffoon and an idiot, she was a screeching ninny. Yup, I remember it well.

[*MoonRider*]

I had a pang, too. Turned out to be gas.

It really is pathetic how the OC won't even acknowledge their presence after they have sold their souls to protect the murderess. She's a waste, huge waste. imo

[Scampi]

Yep, they've lost their baby girl. She won't even acknowledge their exsistence in public anymore. She's hanging with the important attorney's now. No need for Cindy and George. Kinda like the way they treated Caylee after death huh? Guess the apple really doesn't fall too far from the tree.

JMO

Great comparison Cass!! Caylee who? cynthia and george who? What goes around, comes around.

[really3997]

I sort of still get a small pang for George.

There might be medicine for that..:blink:

[Pruddennce]

you really think it is about her book I have heard that but I don't know does she need KC to sell books I would just like to know who is being paid and how it makes me sick to think Caylee is paying for her murder trial...:thumbdown:

new material for a book, and practicing law which she was educated to do. new material is a bonus. she doesnt 'need' Casey A; she CHOSE Casey A to further her future income.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Heyes]

I sort of still get a small pang for George.


It'll go away. promise. George ain't worth it.
Just watch him and all his artificial, over the top facial expressions next time he tries to hock a stuffed animal....as a way to "THANK LAW ENFORCEMENT"!

grrrrrrrrr

[really3997]

new material for a book, and practicing law which she was educated to do. new material is a bonus. she doesnt 'need' Casey A; she CHOSE Casey A to further her future income.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

I agree, especially when the news announced her name for the first time the second sentence was about her book. BUT, at what lengths will she go. My bet is if she is truly on the up and up she will be short lived on this case... She will try to get her to plea then move on if that does not work..JMO

[ellegna]

It really is pathetic how the OC won't even acknowledge their presence after they have sold their souls to protect the murderess. She's a waste, huge waste. imo

Cindy's excuses not visiting Casey are pathetic too. Cindy is only trying to save face. Has nothing to do with visitations being recorded. Not acknowledging her parents in court with a quick wave or a forced smile is becoming apparent it is Casey who does not want to see her parents.

[really3997]

It'll go away. promise. George ain't worth it.
Just watch him and all his artificial, over the top facial expressions next time he tries to hock a stuffed animal....as a way to "THANK LAW ENFORCEMENT"!

grrrrrrrrr

don't forget the shrugging:cursing:

[101Spots]

:lol:

So when I said "it passed"......................?

That it did. Dogs ran for cover.

[aproudmom]

I guess this is a little off the topic but I was wondering if anyone else is bothered by this: I can't remember which trial it was but not too long ago, LKB was the attorney for the defense. Her husband, the forensic scientist, Dr. Biden testified at the trial and testified for the defense. Now, does that seem very unfair to anyone but me? I could not believe the law would allow that. I don't care how professional they are I have a hard time believing he wouldn't lean toward her side. Discussing it over the dinner table, perhaps?
Anyone have any other ideas or slant on this?

Phil Spector?

[sammy62]

Those pants looked like they could belong to her brother. She probably can't fit into any of her own pants anymore. The blouse barely buttons. Just shows ya what cheetos, chocolate and hoo hoos can do for ya!

hmmm maybe thats my problem :scared:

[Heyes]

Cindy's excuses not visiting Casey are pathetic too. Cindy is only trying to save face. Has nothing to do with visitations being recorded. Not acknowledging her parents in court with a quick wave or a forced smile is becoming apparent it is Casey who does not want to see her parents.

Bingo!
They're not on the list. They will never admit it.

[Tornado]

I know, Isn't it beautiful?

Sorry, had to run out for a bit.

It may take a bit (if at all) for the OC to start to realize that JB has fed her a line of carp and she is not getting out of this.

I find it very telling that the DP attorney that JB has brought on board is an advocate against the DP. I do not believe that Lyons is here to prove KC innocent but only here to get the DP off the table. That is a statment all in itself to me.

[aproudmom]

I agree. She might already be intending to throw them under the bus. Not that she ever cared anyway about them. . .about Cayley. . .about anyone but herself.

yeah to bad for sweet Caylee She did not throw her under the bus she just threw her in the wood..sick Monster:cursing:

[Heyes]

Yes, I know. However, when all this first started and I knew nothing about it, my initial perceptions of him were that he was a human and had actual feelings, that he loved his granddaughter. Caylee and Cindy, on the other hand, struck me has having serious personality disorders. We all choose our fate I guess and George did choose Cindy and made the OC with her. But there is still something tragic about him that I can't shake. He was so forthcoming at the beginning of the trial and now is just an emasculated shadow of a man.

He seemed to give some info but not enough to really do any damage. My take was that he was trying to play both sides of the fence. Also to see what info he could get out of LE. He tried the good ole boy with the police/fbi but proved that he's in this all the way. Anything to get casey off. I also feel that he grabbed hold of this money making scheme almost from the start. He wants this to work and he's not letting it go. The showing up at Haleighs camp irritated me to no end. His mission seems to be to make money off this nightmare. I just can't respect anyone that does this. Shouldn't his main mission in life be to find the "real killer" of his own grandbaby? It's not...he's just letting LE take care of that. WTH?

[Tornado]

It really is pathetic how the OC won't even acknowledge their presence after they have sold their souls to protect the murderess. She's a waste, huge waste. imo

How does a mother go from dogging out her daughter one minute, to anyone that will listen, to saying she is "Mother of the Year" and we believe everything she says, the next.

The A's have done nothing but CTA. Their defense of KC now is not about KC but about their own butts and maybe for once CA will recognize that her manipulation days with KC are over. They may be keeping the family secret but KC isn't.

[Steps]

I guess this is a little off the topic but I was wondering if anyone else is bothered by this: I can't remember which trial it was but not too long ago, LKB was the attorney for the defense. Her husband, the forensic scientist, Dr. Biden testified at the trial and testified for the defense. Now, does that seem very unfair to anyone but me? I could not believe the law would allow that. I don't care how professional they are I have a hard time believing he wouldn't lean toward her side. Discussing it over the dinner table, perhaps?
Anyone have any other ideas or slant on this?

Yes, it was the Spector trial. Without trying to get off topic I followed both trials. By jurors reactions afterward I believe they had to know that the conflict of interest stood out like a sore thumb. LKB was conveniently ill the day that her hubby was on the stand! Haven't had any respect for either of them since!!

[aproudmom]

new material for a book, and practicing law which she was educated to do. new material is a bonus. she doesnt 'need' Casey A; she CHOSE Casey A to further her future income.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

I just do not get it this monster had nothing well no money of her own and now all the lawyers are coming to her defence I know it is thier job I still do not get it though

[sammy62]

And Casey is enjoying all of the attention she is getting in this photo. Yea, well, when I start to feel sorry for G and C I just remember their behavior at the depo for ZG and then I come back to my senses!!

Its easy for me to feel sorry for G&C and Lee. Casey dragged them into this mess. Yes the depo made me dislike them. But they would be like any other dysfunctional family if Casey would have had these same empathetic feelings for Caylee, and her family.

Believe me....they have acted terrible. I sent my letters off to LK and Oprah etc. They need to stay home and not have interviews. But they still get my sympathy. But I'm a soft touch. We had a baby bird get killed in our backyard yesterday. Made me tear up. Probably more than any of the Anthony's have done for Caylee.

[Scampi]

Cindy's excuses not visiting Casey are pathetic too. Cindy is only trying to save face. Has nothing to do with visitations being recorded. Not acknowledging her parents in court with a quick wave or a forced smile is becoming apparent it is Casey who does not want to see her parents.

I agree Ell. This last hearing showed the little rock star casey, surrounded by her "team" while cynthia and george, her groupies, looked on sadly hoping for a glimmer of recognition that never came.

The OC is showing the world how she feels about her parents.

[aproudmom]

Its easy for me to feel sorry for G&C and Lee. Casey dragged them into this mess. Yes the depo made me dislike them. But they would be like any other dysfunctional family if Casey would have had these same empathetic feelings for Caylee, and her family.

Believe me....they have acted terrible. I sent my letters off to LK and Oprah etc. They need to stay home and not have interviews. But they still get my sympathy. But I'm a soft touch. We had a baby bird get killed in our backyard yesterday. Made me tear up. Probably more than any of the Anthony's have done for Caylee.

aw sammy sorry about the bird and hey at least you just say it how it is and I have no problem with people feeling for them..I just cant not yet anyway not until they do something really good out of this horrible tragedy..and it will never happen

[Heyes]

I get your point. And, I agree - I was also annoyed by showing up in the Haleighs camp. Thanks for curing my pang. It's passed. Now don't everyone start running for cover! It's not that bad. . .just a little one.
They get smaller and smaller the more he talks.
I had a problem with both of them early on. I felt they were covering up Caylees murder. Glad they kept talking and proved me right.
These parents IMO knew from the day they got that car. Maybe even before. The fact they went straight to the backyard to look for Caylee in the same spots the dogs hit, almost makes me wonder if they knew she was there and went to see if casey moved her from the backyard once they smelled the car. Then to put that car in a closed garage and wash it???? yeah. IMO they maybe knew before they got the car.

[Scampi]

Yes, I believe you are spot on. JB has fed her a line of crap but Casey has also played him like a fiddle. The two of them, imo, have been existing in an unreal world where nothing can go wrong. Casey has been full of herself and JB has been full of Casey and what is underneath her clothing, imo. Enter Ms. Lyons, the no-nonsense DP activist who has a book coming out soon. She will wipe the slate clean quicker than you can bat an eye. The dynamic will change dramatically, if it hasn't already. Ms. Lyons will put her energy into getting Casey to really understand her life is on the line here. She will also begin to dig into Casey's upbringing because she uses that in her defense. All hell will break loose and any hidden skeletons in the Anthony's closet will come marching out. jmo of course

Unleash those skeletons............. :tongueside:

[SandyO]

Is it really?
Oh well. Understandable mistake. They both look the same from behind. :tongue:

Let's give credit where credit is due. Cindy could give both of these women a few pointers in the good grooming department.

[sammy62]

aw sammy sorry about the bird and hey at least you just say it how it is and I have no problem with people feeling for them..I just cant not yet anyway not until they do something really good out of this horrible tragedy..and it will never happen

WEll I'll amend this a little. G&C would not have all our disdain if they would have stayed home and truly acted the "grieving grandparents" (how abused that phrase has become). So you can see....I do totally see both sides.

[sammy62]

Let's give credit where credit is due. Cindy could give both of these women a few pointers in the good grooming department.

Every time I see Cindy, I envy her beautiful thick hair. But thats all.:tongue:

[Lavinia]

I missed the last couple of days. Has there been a confession? :laugh: Has Cindy's integrity been located? Did George travel to the Wizard to get his purple heart? (Is long straggly hair a prerequisite for high powered female attorneys? :blink:)

[Tornado]

Yes, I believe you are spot on. JB has fed her a line of crap but Casey has also played him like a fiddle. The two of them, imo, have been existing in an unreal world where nothing can go wrong. Casey has been full of herself and JB has been full of Casey and what is underneath her clothing, imo. Enter Ms. Lyons, the no-nonsense DP activist who has a book coming out soon. She will wipe the slate clean quicker than you can bat an eye. The dynamic will change dramatically, if it hasn't already. Ms. Lyons will put her energy into getting Casey to really understand her life is on the line here. She will also begin to dig into Casey's upbringing because she uses that in her defense. All hell will break loose and any hidden skeletons in the Anthony's closet will come marching out. jmo of course

There is no doubt in my mind that the "skeletons" are the first thing that KC told JB and thats when he let his emotions overide his professional duty. It is her defense to why she did all of this to Caylee. Mrs. Lyons is going to hear the same reasoning and although I do believe that AL will get DP off the table, it is not going to change the verdict in the end.

[Heyes]

I agree that they are covering up for Casey. I don't think they knew before the death smell because Cindy was truly panicked in the 911 call where she said "the damn car smells like there's a dead body in it". I believe, after the gas can incident, Casey freaked and dumped the body in a hurry, close to home where they found it. I believe that George and Cindy would have gone to extreme measures, if needed, to get the truth out of Casey. And the cover up began. I really do think there is a lot the Anthonys want to hide in their family history.
I'm betting you're right, I think there's a lot of violence in that home. They are trying their best to hide that fact. I think it went the way you said but there is still a part of me that wonders if maybe they knew before the car was found. Or at least suspected. It took cindy 3 calls before she mentioned Caylee. That bothers me to no end.

[ellegna]

I agree Ell. This last hearing showed the little rock star casey, surrounded by her "team" while cynthia and george, her groupies, looked on sadly hoping for a glimmer of recognition that never came.

The OC is showing the world how she feels about her parents.

Pretty sad the public sees Casey's lack of respect, emotion and love for her parents and G&C can't. Just wondering if there still is someone, anyone who is near and dear to these two who can smack some sense into them? They definitely need an intervention.

[Heyes]

I missed the last couple of days. Has there been a confession? :laugh: Has Cindy's integrity been located? Did George travel to the Wizard to get his purple heart? (Is long straggly hair a prerequisite for high powered female attorneys? :blink:)

LOL now I'm singing...if I only had a brain. lol lol

[Dells]

I think Lyon will tell Casey that the nanny defense just won't float and that they have no where else to go because there's no way to keep it out after she gave a statement about it. No matter what defense they come up with the detectives will testify about Zanny. I believe even ZG is scheduled to testify. I'm wondering if Baez will allow Lyon's to have any alone time with Casey for fear of what will happen if she ever realizes the corner he helped her back herself into. Baez is counting on HIS day in court.

Bolding mine...

I wonder if Lyon would even need JB's permission to visit w/Casey? :shrug: Couldn't AL just show up at the jail and ask to visit w/Casey? Why would she have to go through JB to see Casey? I certainly hope that AL can get some alone time to visit w/Casey because I think she would lay it all on the line and explain to Casey how much trouble she is in, and what her options are.

[Lavinia]

ITA. I believe Casey will spend the rest of her life in prison without the possibility of ever dancing at Fusion again, spending money, stealing money, forging checks or having numerous sex hookups. She will never again be able to go to nude parties, pee in a parking lot, drive a car or enjoy freedom of any kind.

I think she will be able to continue doing all the above except drive a car. Of course Sally will have to agree to having her cell turned into a ghetto form of Fusion every Friday night, but she can be bought off with Pop-tarts.

[jammies]

I'm betting you're right, I think there's a lot of violence in that home. They are trying their best to hide that fact. I think it went the way you said but there is still a part of me that wonders if maybe they knew before the car was found. Or at least suspected. It took cindy 3 calls before she mentioned Caylee. That bothers me to no end.



One whiff of that car would have a normal person FREAKING. They both knew the smell was decomp yet neither one of them loses their cool. They look in their back yard for a dead Caylee. They go back to work.
Maybe what she really meant in her third 911 call was: My grand-daughter's BODY is missing.

[Heyes]

One whiff of that car would have a normal person FREAKING. They both knew the smell was decomp yet neither one of them loses their cool. They look in their back yard for a dead Caylee. They go back to work.
Maybe what she really meant in her third 911 call was: My grand-daughter's BODY is missing.


Something to sure think about. The fact theywent back to work looks to me like they said..quick go back to business as usual. Was it they just didn't know how to cover it up so ignore it until they talked to casey? It's all very strange. Anyone else would have called police from the tow yard.

[Lavinia]

:lol: I get your point. I'm sure Mad Martha and Big Bertha would be glad to help Sally with the cause.

Admission: One Tooth. :laugh:

[jammies]

Something to sure think about. The fact theywent back to work looks to me like they said..quick go back to business as usual. Was it they just didn't know how to cover it up so ignore it until they talked to casey? It's all very strange. Anyone else would have called police from the tow yard.


DItto. I sure as he77 wouldn't have driven that car HOME.

[Heyes]

DItto. I sure as he77 wouldn't have driven that car HOME.

He claimed he had to hold his head outside of the car just to make it home. And this guy was a cop? Ain't buyin it. There's more to this part of the story.

[jammies]

Can you imagine Casey driving it around for a week in hot weather?

:scared:


I'm amazed the smell didn't seep into her clothing, hair, skin.

[Heyes]

This is why I believe LWOP is a most fitting punishment for OC. Put that little narcissistic snot into a situation that she can't charm herself out of. Sally, Martha and Bertha are waiting and have their tooth admissions in their pockets.

I may just have to send money to Sally and the girls accounts if they "initiated" casey. There goes the perfect straight teeth the anthonys hold so dear.

LOL
kinda kidding