Sunday, May 31st 2009 #1

[jammies]

Still learning the ropes around here, so I was still posting in the Saturday thread :tongueside: until some kind poster directed me here (Thanks!)

I copied what I posted over there...

Something that has nagged at me for a bit...I thought I read that not too long after the car was picked up from Amscot, the Anthony's miracously decided to get a new clothes washer.

WTF? If that doesn't spell "we have something to hide" I don't know what does. Is it possible LE somehow confiscated or found that old washing machine, since I am sure that's the machine that washed Casey's clothes Cindy found in the car.

Any thoughts on this?



I think that came from Leonard P. Don't believe we have any evidence if it was truth or rumor.

[MDdetective]

Watch Casey continuously rub her hands together in the courtroom. So telling.....

You Betcha...

[Tornado]

Watch Casey continuously rub her hands together in the courtroom. So telling.....

ITA, she has many tics and habits that say so much about what is going on subconciously.

[MDdetective]

"Whoa, holdup- give me a minute to tell you the truth...."

"just one more day...give me just more more day..." sound familiar ??? :angry:

[CRRJJ]

Great, JB makes me want to drink at 10 am. LKB is going to make me want to smoke even more than I do. Before anyone even starts to tell me what the effects that AL is going to have on my psych, I am going to need therapy. Someone hold my hand..... I'm scared.

there, there now, don't be afraid. I have your hand and you'll be safe. but just to be sure, we'll go down and have a drink at 9:00 a.m. if you like, shall we? Just name the time and place. lol
I think we're all going to have to have therapy before this is all over. The ones that really needs it though don't have a clue. Poor souls.

[Tornado]

Still learning the ropes around here, so I was still posting in the Saturday thread :tongueside: until some kind poster directed me here (Thanks!)

I copied what I posted over there...

Something that has nagged at me for a bit...I thought I read that not too long after the car was picked up from Amscot, the Anthony's miracously decided to get a new clothes washer.

WTF? If that doesn't spell "we have something to hide" I don't know what does. Is it possible LE somehow confiscated or found that old washing machine, since I am sure that's the machine that washed Casey's clothes Cindy found in the car.

Any thoughts on this?

FGS, you didn't expect CA to be caught using that ugly old washer when Primtime showed up did you.

[sunstar]

Well, perhaps not. I've heard Florida has only recommended death for three women ever. To me, however, this case is more heinous than just about any other case I have heard of where parents kill their children. Except Chris Coleman - and I bet HE gets the DP
"Two women have been executed in Florida, both post-Furman. The first to be executed was Judy Buenoano, executed in 1998 for killing, at different times, her husband (1971) and son (1980). The second was Aileen Wuornos, a serial killer who was executed in 2002 for seven murders committed in 1989 and 1990."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_executed_in_Florida

Also, IIRC, there's one woman on death row now.

[Amy]

OMG ITA with you worth watching it again

I must say, I am impressed with Lyons in stating over and over that, when she files the motions, everyone reading them will understand exactly where she is going and that she isn't going to give previews and information to the press beforehand. (Just as everyone on the defense team should have been doing since the beginning of this case, IMO.)

Also, LKB wasn't answering the questions of the reporters, she was just trying to stir up the Dec 11 fracus. I like it that the reporter (assuming it was Kathi B) who kept trying to redirect her back to the question. And, my goodness, after demanding the press go to the prosecution and ask them the "tough questions" Jose couldn't come up with a single question, and deferred to LKB.

I think what Jose hasn't gotten yet is, like Lyons states she will do, the prosecution isn't going to be talking to the press about the case. The reason the press doesn't dog the State's steps is because all they get is "no comment" so know there isn't any profit in trying to get a story from them. If Jose wants the media to quit hounding the defense, perhaps if they started saying "no comment" the press would soon realize they are wasting their time. The only coverage would be @ the hearings. Oh, but gee, that would mean no daily coverage, wouldn't it?

I don't get the lawyers' stance on the DP. Heck, the statutes spelling out why this can be DP has been posted on message boards--even before the waiver months ago. The lawyers don't have access to the same information lay people can get to? Altho, I guess there are some lawyers on various boards who might have been the ones to post the statutes.

I don't get that last guy---uhmmm....another thing pointed out on message boards and by NG (who was a lawyer and should know) is that, the state had the right to change their mind and go for the DP. And, I would think, finding Caylee's remains and additional evidence related to that would certainly give cause to ask for the DP. Just because they haven't gotten every thing in discovery (not evidence until trial, ya know Brad C says) doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Perhaps they should ask their client what the state found along w/Caylee's remains. A little inside information would go a long way, I'd think. :wink:

[sunstar]

Hi Amy! There is no way on this earth that Lyon is going to allow the incompetent baez to screw up the guilt phase of this trial. Lyon is the lead attorney and as such will direct how this case is tried, in both phases. imo



I was just wondering if the Appeals Court has overturned any convictions of prior cases Baez has tried for 'ineffective counsel'? :shrug:

[ConchGirl]

ITA, she has many tics and habits that say so much about what is going on subconciously.
Even in her jailhouse visitations she looks like she is picking lint off of her jumpsuit, while in cuffs. :confused:

[ConchGirl]

"Two women have been executed in Florida, both post-Furman. The first to be executed was Judy Buenoano, executed in 1998 for killing, at different times, her husband (1971) and son (1980). The second was Aileen Wuornos, a serial killer who was executed in 2002 for seven murders committed in 1989 and 1990."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_executed_in_Florida

Also, IIRC, there's one woman on death row now.
Tiffany Cole on Death Row could become Casey's new BFF
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/activeinmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=198&From=list&SessionID=197179710

[adair]

Hello Everyone

I wonder if LE did bug the Anthony home.....if they did would we have known it by now?

[Imperfect4]

Casey must be so envious. What's up with this girl and showers. We just found remains of a child and Casey says can I take a shower to make me feel better. :confused:

She wanted to be fresh for her attorney. :rolleyes:

[Tornado]

Even in her jailhouse visitations she looks like she is picking lint off of her jumpsuit, while in cuffs. :confused:

The very first thing that I notice is the hair thing. OC may appear to be confident or solid on the outside. She is a nervous wreck on the inside. She cannot sit still and the only time I have seen her not do this is when she is talking to her family. She is out of her element when she is talking to anyone other than family.

[Amy]

I'm just glad we don't have to listen to biaz bumble his way through a trial. He irritates me when he can't "get it said". :mad:

He bumbled thru his opening of the pc, too. I wasn't sure WHAT he was talking about, except the part about the media going after the prosecution. Oh, and to tell reporters to not chase after them when the pc is over. Yep, big man, Jose. And, of course, he was pretty clear when Kathi asked a question and he says "not now, Kathi." He is such a baffoon when he acts that way. A lot of words, but no sense to make out of it, IMO.

[Amy]

What? You don't think Casey's earned a law degree in all these months she's been reading law books while munching away on pork rhinds?

I wonder if she could get a degree from the school Jose was "professoring" @? He could put in a good word, tell the school how much self-study time she put in and all that. Heck, that would save the taxpayers from having to pay for whatever education she wants to pursue in prison. She will already have her lawyering degree for when she gets out--or to help other prisoners since I don't see her getting out. IMO

[sunstar]

Tiffany Cole on Death Row could become Casey's new BFF
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/activeinmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=198&From=list&SessionID=197179710

Double homicide and the 61 y/o victims were bound, gagged and buried alive. Cole was also convicted of kidnapping and robbery.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/101907/met_210057429.shtml

I'm still not convinced Casey will get the DP, but we shall see!

[ConchGirl]

I wonder if she could get a degree from the school Jose was "professoring" @? He could put in a good word, tell the school how much self-study time she put in and all that. Heck, that would save the taxpayers from having to pay for whatever education she wants to pursue in prison. She will already have her lawyering degree for when she gets out--or to help other prisoners since I don't see her getting out. IMO
When she gets to the "Big House" she will be allowed to get her GED. Cindy will be bursting with pride. She'll be telling all of her friends that Casey is a model inmate and is the inmate of the month. :thumbsup:

[Imperfect4]

I don't think Casey likes her either. But I also think Casey will fear her. Unlike any and every man, she won't be able to manipulate AL. But, you could be quite right. She may well not listen to a thing AL says and, if so, she's probably going to fry.

We'll see how much like her mother she truly is. Cindy refuses to take any advice from anyone. She's smarter than everyone.

[apothecary]

I just found this interesting site regarding the last words of people executed:

http://crime.about.com/od/anylastwords/Any_Last_Words.htm

I'm wondering what you think the OC's last words might be.

How about, "My life was a waste. Huge waste."?
Everyone lies,everyone dies.

[ConchGirl]

Everyone lies,everyone dies.

Good one! :ohmy:

[Amy]

I have a stong sense after reading everything available that Ms. Lyon's focus is to defeat the death penalty ---- not so much in getting a not guilty verdict for the client. I think you're correct here, Tal.

That's kind of how I take it. A "win" for a DP attorney is not whether or not the client is found guilty, but that the client is not sentenced to death. In fact, disregarding some of them pronouncing to the world about their client's "innocence" some of the seem to go in knowing the verdict will be guilty, but they are determined no DP.

If the DP is removed pre-trial, does Lyons stay on, or is her work done, so to speak?

[farrahrani]

I think she would've listened to someone like Lenamon more, because he's a man. She might see her mother in Lyons ~ controlling, domineering, etc. and totally resent her. The one photo posted here from the hearing almost said it all. Casey does not like her, imo.

I'm not so sure about that. OC might disagree on the defense tactics, but I don't see anything yet that says she didn't like the woman. I might be a bit generous but that picture seemed to me like she was merely concentrating hard on what was being told to her.

I think if Lyons takes a warm, gentle mothering approach, as in, the mother Casey never had, they might get some kind of rapport going. If Lyons can work that to her advantage, she might be able to persuade the accused to try a different defense. Otherwise I can see her leaving this case, as she isn't going to risk her rep defending a completely hopeless cause with a combative client.

[sunstar]

Everyone lies,everyone dies.

That is perfect. :thumbup:

[MDdetective]

Everyone lies,everyone dies.

wow good one :thumbup:

[seeing_eye]

I followed the PS case buty not too long on the board....I kept getting banned....:laugh:

Barbara, you're way too nice to get banned. How the heck did that happen?

[Amy]

Thanks for linking this, Reggie.

I haven't read it all. But I believe it answers some questions. Like, it only takes ONE AGGRAVATING FACTOR for it to be a DP case.

Baez was bumbling the other day about the State not getting back to him on WHY they are seeking the DP. I was wondering if there was a score card on AGG FACTORS. If a minimum were needed. I didn't think so. Because I've seen cases where there were 3, 8, etc. All over the board.

So, Baez was rambling about a whole lotta nothing, IMO. The State doesn't need to get back to him about anything. Caylee was under 12. There!!! That in itself can be a reason, Jose.

Maybe Jose lost the letter explaining that? Or just forgot to share it w/Todd M? (Didn't he come in after the DP was put in?) He was very vehement about not having the information from the state why they changed their minds about it. Or, perhaps, he's in just as much denial as anyone else connected w/Casey seems to be. He needed to get a grip, really. I do hope Lyons would point that out to him, show him the darn letter and get over it.

I do hope she really has the control to tell everyone (on the team, @ least--the A's don't listen to anyone, it seems) to shut their traps and let the case be tried in the courtroom. Of course, that sure cuts down on everything we would be posting about. :tongueside:

[ConchGirl]

Maybe Jose lost the letter explaining that? Or just forgot to share it w/Todd M? (Didn't he come in after the DP was put in?) He was very vehement about not having the information from the state why they changed their minds about it. Or, perhaps, he's in just as much denial as anyone else connected w/Casey seems to be. He needed to get a grip, really. I do hope Lyons would point that out to him, show him the darn letter and get over it.

I do hope she really has the control to tell everyone (on the team, @ least--the A's don't listen to anyone, it seems) to shut their traps and let the case be tried in the courtroom. Of course, that sure cuts down on everything we would be posting about. :tongueside:

As someone posted earlier how cohesive can this team be? Jose the idiot is the only one licensed to practice law in Florida (for now until the FL Bar rules), LKB from NY, AL from Chicago and Todd (facing charges) in CA, and the questionable Dr. Fingernail Lee from CT. imo

[Amy]

If Casey decides to tell the truth now or before the trail starts what would become of the case at this point? Would she still need all the lawyers to represent her, would she still have to go to trail and let the jurors verdict her or would the case close and the judge would decide her sentencing? (Although she has proclaimed she is innocent to this day I am curious as to what would happen should she confess now). JMO

The trouble is, would anyone actually believe her "confession?" That would be a problem w/her getting on the stand, too. Could you actually believe anything she says? As Judge Judy would say, you've lied once, and now I don't believe a word you say. And, Judge Marilyn Malin--Now I wouldn't believe you if your tongue was notarized.

[MDdetective]

As someone posted earlier how cohesive can this team be? Jose the idiot is the only one licensed to practice law in Florida (for now until the FL Bar rules), LKB from NY, AL from Chicago and Todd (facing charges) in CA, and the questionable Dr. Fingernail Lee from CT. imo

Exactly how many lawyers are there on her behalf ??? I've lost count :confused:

[Amy]

Bolding is mine. Those words do not belong in the same sentence imo.
krect :wink:

I guess, relatively speaking, LKB is more articulate than Jose.

[Amy]

I was just wondering if the Appeals Court has overturned any convictions of prior cases Baez has tried for 'ineffective counsel'? :shrug:

There's one fellow who's trying, can't remember his name. The prosecuting attorney was going on about how brilliant (or whatever glowing terms he used) Jose was, he did a stupendous (paraphrasing) job @ defending this murderer, he doesn't think the case will be overturned. Methinks the prosecutor just doesn't want the case to be overturned. Unless Jose had deteriorated, or it was his clone in that case, this guy had to have been on some mighty strong substances to speak of Jose in such glowing terms. IMO

[Daffodil]

.........but still a lie.

I've got no doubt that there were things that happened in that house that would curl my hair. But I still don't think that the OC would tell the complete truth. More like 0.4% truth.



Trying to catch up, don't know if I will. But I think if Casey realizes that she will be put away for good or get the DP, she will spill all the beans. No way is she going to go to jail for the rest of her life without having Cindy pay for it. Plus her calendar is pretty empty and she must be bored out of her mind.

[ConchGirl]

I guess, relatively speaking, LKB is more articulate than Jose.
:D my dog is more articulate than Jose.

[Lavinia]

Lavenia, how did we live without you for 4 days! Glad to see you back.

Does the prison ease the inmates in their system slowly or just put them in GP and say "Go Girl". Do they always have room mates except on death row? Do they do their own laundry including towels and sheets? Do they still get commissary goodies? Are they in cuffs and etc when they go to the dining room? Silly questions, huh?

Hey sweet Sus! They will stop first on their "chain in" at reception and classification. That will take days to weeks or more, to determine their health problems, psychological status, sexual preferences, gang affiliations (if any), type of crime and media coverage of the same. They will then determine where to house her both for her protection and others. I would be STUNNED if they turned her out to Gen. Pop. first rattle out of the bag.

The prison does wash their sheets, although it is one sheet and it is the roughest muslin you can imagine. then they have a cheap wool blanket. No pillow. Their clothes aren't washed everyday and it's very, very common to have a b!tch that does your clothes for you by hand ironing them between the mattress and the iron/cement block which is their Sterns and Foster, lol. Their soap, unless they get soap from the store, is a small piece if homemade castile soap. Almost all inmates get store except those on severe restriction. If she is in SEG/SHU, she won't go to a dining hall or chow hall as they call them. She will eat in her cell. You know those slots in the doors they can open to handcuff the inmate before they open the large door? Here, we call those "bean slots" because that's where their food tray is passed to them.

If an inmate is in general population, here, whether they want to eat at the chow hall or not, they have to go. Inmates move as a group and they don't want inmates here, there and everywhere. They aren't handcuffed to go to chow, but they are searched before going into the show hall and after leaving chow. Inmates are counted constantly throughout the day.

Bella Vida, huh?

[adair]

Just some thoughts

Since G/C/L are all witnesses they will not be allowed in the courtroom until they are released by both the pros and defense.

I think that will drive CiA absolutely crazy not knowing what is going on in that courtroom. Will Brad Conway be allowed in the court room?

Tia

[My Gal Sal]

LOLOL!

How about, "Will this electric chair make my hair frizz?"

Or maybe.... when on the gurney for the lethal injection....
"Are these drugs as good as the ones a Fusion?" or
" Are these drugs as good as the ones I gave Caylee?" or
"Are these drugs as good as the ones my Mom told me to give Caylee?"

[Lavinia]

I think the only mention I have heard was in a statement where Lyons indicated she was running the show, then said all the lawyers were "equal." :shrug: Whatever that means. Kind of along the same lines as proclaiming her client is innocent, altho she has not read up on the case.
Like the saying, "All men are created equal but some a little more than others."? :laugh:

[bchand]

Just some thoughts

Since G/C/L are all witnesses they will not be allowed in the courtroom until they are released by both the pros and defense.

I think that will drive CiA absolutely crazy not knowing what is going on in that courtroom. Will Brad Conway be allowed in the court room?

Tia

Would you trust her to not watch it? She can watch the trial live just like the rest of us (hopefully). Maybe she can't be there, but I can't see her staying in the dark.

[My Gal Sal]

Would you trust her to not watch it? She can watch the trial live just like the rest of us (hopefully). Maybe she can't be there, but I can't see her staying in the dark.

:thumbsup: Yes... they will both watch..... and that will keep them away from the business of promoting their 'fraudation'. I will be happy about that.

[bchand]

:thumbsup: Yes... they will both watch..... and that will keep them away from the business of promoting their 'fraudation'. I will be happy about that.

By then, hopefully everyone will have their number and the foundation will be no more.

I just think the Anthony's believe rules do not apply to them.

[MDdetective]

Would you trust her to not watch it? She can watch the trial live just like the rest of us (hopefully). Maybe she can't be there, but I can't see her staying in the dark.

I picture her and G outside the courthouse schlepping teddy bears with the wifi laptop running...if she sees things getting testy during the trial....POP goes the heads from those teddys :w00t:

[TunaMelt]

Double homicide and the 61 y/o victims were bound, gagged and buried alive. Cole was also convicted of kidnapping and robbery.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/101907/met_210057429.shtml

I'm still not convinced Casey will get the DP, but we shall see!

Sometimes I think she will.

What a nice friend for KC.
:scared:

[sunstar]

There's one fellow who's trying, can't remember his name. The prosecuting attorney was going on about how brilliant (or whatever glowing terms he used) Jose was, he did a stupendous (paraphrasing) job @ defending this murderer, he doesn't think the case will be overturned. Methinks the prosecutor just doesn't want the case to be overturned. Unless Jose had deteriorated, or it was his clone in that case, this guy had to have been on some mighty strong substances to speak of Jose in such glowing terms. IMO

Oh I'm sure that prosecutor doesn't want the conviction overturned and yes, I'd guess that's why he's speaking so well of Baez. But I was wondering if anybody had actually succeeded. I've heard the FL Appeals Court isn't too liberal, so to speak. MOO

[adair]

Trying to catch up, don't know if I will. But I think if Casey realizes that she will be put away for good or get the DP, she will spill all the beans. No way is she going to go to jail for the rest of her life without having Cindy pay for it. Plus her calendar is pretty empty and she must be bored out of her mind.


I bet that Cia is not going to happy with all of AK questions about kc growing up....you know that attorney is going to be looking everywhere for any abuse, emotional, physical etc.....I just cannot see cin being truthful (choke, cough, cough)..........cin just may have a nervous breakdown before this is over. (jmo)

[My Gal Sal]

Yeah because Jose is all :loveeyes: and :drool:

I could see that too but I also wouldn't underestimate AL's capability to get reality across to her. Even and Odious Creature will feel stark terror if they feel their life is at stake. I am hoping that AL's presence will totally undermine the sick little cult OC and JB have going on.

If she can be as nasty to witnesses as people say, then she has it in her to take Casey by the ear and say, "LISTEN YOU! DO YOU WANT TO DIE??? BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS YOU DO EXACTLY LIKE I SAY!"

If she can't get through to OC, then she will lose the case, imo. She might even walk away first before getting fired. IDK, but I can't imagine things continuing on the way they have been in this case as long as AL is part of it. JMO

:thumbup: I agree...
I also believe she had spoken to C&G (prior to court on Thurs.). That was why CA was so upset, I believe. I think they were told to 'Shut up'.
I think she may have only seen KC after the Thurs. hearing. I say this only because KC didn't look too worried yet.
But the next court hearing is going to be really good.
However, because she is now on board, I doubt there will be too many frivolous court appearances.
JMO

[sunstar]

Sometimes I think she will.

What a nice friend for KC.
:scared:

Oh yes, best friends! :scared: I sure wouldn't want to get to know her though!

[Steps]

Watch Casey continuously rub her hands together in the courtroom. So telling.....

Reminds me of Lady McBeth unable to wash that blood off!!

[bchand]

I picture her and G outside the courthouse schlepping teddy bears with the wifi laptop running...if she sees things getting testy during the trial....POP goes the heads from those teddys :w00t:

OMG lol What no baseball bat handy?

[My Gal Sal]

Reminds me of Lady McBeth unable to wash that blood off!!

Thank You.... My opinion also... 'Out Out 'darn' spot'. Lady MacBeth used another word but felt I couldn't say it here.

[CelticDawn]

Buried victims ALIVE?.....

Such charming people from who Casey will be able to learn proper social graces...!!!


I wouldn't want to meet any of those things without body armor, mace, taser, sidearm,.......actually...forget all that.... just give me a rifle and some distance between us....!!!

[ish]

I think AL has two roles in this case, the first is to argue that the death penalty is not warranted in this circumstance (if it is not too late to argue such) the second and I think most important is to save Casey's a** from the needle. That will come in the penalty phase, Lyon I don't believes cares a whit about guilt or innocence, she is anti death penalty and that is all she cares about. To get the "most hated woman in Florida" LWOP would be a feather in her cap. As far as Baez, I don't think Casey will allow him to be less than a driving force on her "Team" . She can manipulate men much better than she can women and she prefers men over women. I say Casey keeps her Waterboy around thru the trial and when convicted lets AL have her way to keep her off death row. Neither AL or LKB are going to spend time handholding with Casey in jail and she has no interest in them doing so, that is what Baez is there for. He has show his willingness to listen to and swallow her BS and that is what she craves.

[TunaMelt]

Oh yes, best friends! I sure wouldn't want to get to know her though!

I'll pass, too. LOL.

Way back when I was in college, a freshman, I lived in a dorm that housed mostly seniors. It wasn't easy learning to mix in -- they made it as hard as they could, most of them. Just making sure the freshman knew their place. In that dorm, every Saturday night, a bunch of senior girls would sit down in the hallway, lining each side, and play bridge. The cards were in the middle of the hallway, between them. My room was at the very end of the hall, so when I left to go out on dates on Saturday night, I had to walk down that hallway, careful not to step on the cards or bump into one of the senior girls. This was their way of initiating the girls who they didn't like, who had dates, and who were freshman. I'd planned to move out sophmore year to a sorority, so I ignored them, played their little game -- but I can only imagine what kind of initiation new prisoners get in prison. :scared: :scared:

It's one thing for some old maid seniors to block a hallway with playing cards -- I could just walk away. But in prison, there's no way out. Unimaginable.

I'd be toast.
:scared:

[Lavinia]

Thanks Lavenia - I would go crazy under those conditions and the noise. I would rather have DP.

Same here. I could do federal time okay, except you do day for day there, no good time, but it is a lot less brutal. Time at most state prisons? Croak me now, thank you very much.

[adair]

Would you trust her to not watch it? She can watch the trial live just like the rest of us (hopefully). Maybe she can't be there, but I can't see her staying in the dark.


If they are caught...what happens? Contempt? Poss mistrial because neither could be recalled to the stand?

[TunaMelt]

Reminds me of Lady McBeth unable to wash that blood off!!

What a terrific image!
It's perfect!
"Out, out damn spot!"

[ConchGirl]

Hey sweet Sus! They will stop first on their "chain in" at reception and classification. That will take days to weeks or more, to determine their health problems, psychological status, sexual preferences, gang affiliations (if any), type of crime and media coverage of the same. They will then determine where to house her both for her protection and others. I would be STUNNED if they turned her out to Gen. Pop. first rattle out of the bag.

The prison does wash their sheets, although it is one sheet and it is the roughest muslin you can imagine. then they have a cheap wool blanket. No pillow. Their clothes aren't washed everyday and it's very, very common to have a b!tch that does your clothes for you by hand ironing them between the mattress and the iron/cement block which is their Sterns and Foster, lol. Their soap, unless they get soap from the store, is a small piece if homemade castile soap. Almost all inmates get store except those on severe restriction. If she is in SEG/SHU, she won't go to a dining hall or chow hall as they call them. She will eat in her cell. You know those slots in the doors they can open to handcuff the inmate before they open the large door? Here, we call those "bean slots" because that's where their food tray is passed to them.

If an inmate is in general population, here, whether they want to eat at the chow hall or not, they have to go. Inmates move as a group and they don't want inmates here, there and everywhere. They aren't handcuffed to go to chow, but they are searched before going into the show hall and after leaving chow. Inmates are counted constantly throughout the day.

Bella Vida, huh?

Thanks for that info. I actually looked up the female prisoners from Lowell Annex and all the LWOP are in what they call close except for Tiffany Cole the DP convict (max)

Here is their custody grades. Maximum, Close, Medium, Minimum, Community
The system uses five (5) distinct groups, described as custody levels: maximum, close, medium, minimum, and community.
Maximum: Refers to inmates who are under a sentence of death.
Close: Refers to inmates who must be maintained within an armed perimeter or under direct, armed supervision when outside of a secure perimeter.
Medium: Refers to inmates eligible for placement at a work camp with a secure perimeter, but who are not eligible for placement in an outside work assignment without armed supervision.
Minimum: Refers to inmates eligible for outside work assignments, but not for placement at a community residential facility.
Community: Refers to inmates eligible for placement at a community residential facility.
Close Management I: Restrictive single cell, single occupancy housing level.
Inmates at this level have committed the most serious violations and are considered extreme security and management risks.
An inmate assigned to CM I is not eligible for a work assignment inside or outside the CM unit.
Privileges are the most restrictive at this close management level.
Close Management II: Restrictive cell housing--may be single or double occupancy.
Inmates at this level have committed serious violations of policy and are considered extreme security and management risks.
Inmates in CM II status are eligible for work assignments in CM I, CM II, death row housing units, and restricted labor squads.
Inmates in this status are afforded more privileges and program opportunities than CM I inmates.
Close Management III: Restrictive double occupancy cell housing.
This is the least restrictive of the three close management levels.
CM III inmates are provided program opportunities outside of their cell housing as a transition phase preparing for their return to the general inmate population.
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/inmates/custody.html

Sorry for the long post. CW it's not copyrighted. lol

[Steps]

Would you trust her to not watch it? She can watch the trial live just like the rest of us (hopefully). Maybe she can't be there, but I can't see her staying in the dark.

I believe that the witnesses are quizzed as to whether they have watched any airing of the trial when they are on the stand since they are not supose to see other testimony until they have testified. But we know that Cindy WILL watch, then lie about it.

[sunstar]

Buried victims ALIVE?.....

Such charming people from who Casey will be able to learn proper social graces...!!!


I wouldn't want to meet any of those things without body armor, mace, taser, sidearm,.......actually...forget all that.... just give me a rifle and some distance between us....!!!

I'd be scared to death too, just being near somebody like that. :scared:

[MDdetective]

She's aligning everything up to conspire against Cindy. IT"S HER FAULT ALL THIS HAPPENED. SHE'S THE DONE THAT CALLED THE COPS! She's the reason I'm so fault. She'll point her little finger at Cindy and say "IT'S HER FAULT CAYLEE IS DEAD.

The whole courtroom will fall silent. And then there is this noise. It's Cindy unscrewing the top of the water bottle. It sounds like nails on a blackboard. And all hell is about to break loose.

I totally agree and will add...this sound....CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP bubble popping CHOMP CHOMP :tonguewag:

[CelticDawn]

I'd be scared to death too, just being near somebody like that. :scared:

....difference is Im used to alligators, ....and wild pigs....as well as other wildlife that might straggle up into our backyard.

[bchand]

I believe that the witnesses are quizzed as to whether they have watched any airing of the trial when they are on the stand since they are not supose to see other testimony until they have testified. But we know that Cindy WILL watch, then lie about it.

Precisely.

[sunstar]

Thanks Lavenia - I would go crazy under those conditions and the noise. I would rather have DP.

Thanks from me too! It's entirely different from the jail she's in now, where she's presumed innocent. MOO

[sammy62]

Or maybe.... when on the gurney for the lethal injection....
"Are these drugs as good as the ones a Fusion?" or
" Are these drugs as good as the ones I gave Caylee?" or
"Are these drugs as good as the ones my Mom told me to give Caylee?"

Mom was the head of nurses at her job. Could she have gotten into a supply of Zanax

[sunstar]

....difference is Im used to alligators, ....and wild pigs....as well as other wildlife that might straggle up into our backyard.

I'd rather take my chances with the wildlife, thank you! :biggrin:

[ConchGirl]

That was in 2005 as a law clerk - just think how great he is now that he has been to law school and even passed the bar. Bought himself a Beemer, $700,000. house and silk suits. Probably in debt over his ears.
Do you mean those pointy things under his pointy things.:biggrin:

[debkay]

Watch Casey continuously rub her hands together in the courtroom. So telling.....

What does it tell jammies??

[ish]

And Casey is enjoying all of the attention she is getting in this photo. Yea, well, when I start to feel sorry for G and C I just remember their behavior at the depo for ZG and then I come back to my senses!!

I totally agree' she loves that all these people are there for her. She ignores George and Cindy caused they can't do anything for her and she doesn't want to be questioned. Baez doesn't ask her questions she doesn't want to answer cause he doesn't want to know those things. They are going with Casey's story and twisting the evidence to fit it. By the time she needs G/C to get up on that stand and lie for her, she thinks they will be so grateful for any crumb of attention she throws their way that they'll stand on their heads and blow bubbles out of their a**es to to help her.

[CelticDawn]

Thanks from me too! It's entirely different from the jail she's in now, where she's presumed innocent. MOO

I really think that I would prefer death than to be convicted and sent off to a prison like Lavinia described....and she just touched on the highlights...i guess yall know...

[MDdetective]

What does it tell jammies??

I believe it means her heart knows she's dirty :sneaky: even if her pride and ego try to hide it :closedeyes: dirty dirty dirty

[Dells]

well heck gator we can see that every time she shows up in court does she smile and whisper to her women lawyers..NOPE..heck the other day I was wondering if she was whispering sweet nothings in that one lawyers ear..sorry can not keep up with their names...

BOZOS snot rag is what had be laughing though I just wonder if he has a clue how stupid he looked with that green hankie hanging out...he could have at least wore a tie that matched it..

Bolding mine....

I so agree w/you! It was so obvious that he wore that hanky to show his support of Casey, which just further points to the fact that at the very least the 2 of them have an inappropriate emotional relationship.:sneaky: How unprofessional!

[Bala]

I truly believe Casey has convinced herself she's part of the defense team instead of the accused. She probably thinks she to smart to hang with the rest of her family. She things of herself as an equal to Baez LKB and Lyon. She believes she's going to walk out of the court room and into a legal profession.

[101Spots]

Thank You.... My opinion also... 'Out Out 'darn' spot'. Lady MacBeth used another word but felt I couldn't say it here.


...........:crying:

[101Spots]

What a terrific image!
It's perfect!
"Out, out damn spot!"

I'm beginning to get the message.......
:crying:


ETA: Et tu, Tuna?

[CelticDawn]

I truly believe Casey has convinced herself she's part of the defense team instead of the accused. She probably thinks she to smart to hang with the rest of her family. She things of herself as an equal to Baez LKB and Lyon. She believes she's going to walk out of the court room and into a legal profession.

when she is convicted she will convince herself that she is a spiritual martyr of some kind.....She will become a legend in her own mind YET AGAIN....She will be in prison ON ASSIGNMENT ....from some imaginary power group.....and in her mind "this too shall pass"

[Anakerie]

:thumbup: I agree...
I also believe she had spoken to C&G (prior to court on Thurs.). That was why CA was so upset, I believe. I think they were told to 'Shut up'.
I think she may have only seen KC after the Thurs. hearing. I say this only because KC didn't look too worried yet.
But the next court hearing is going to be really good.
However, because she is now on board, I doubt there will be too many frivolous court appearances.
JMO
I agree with you about George and Cindy. Cindy was visibly upset when she and George entered the courtroom and sat down.. And I don't think it was because no one saved them a seat up front.. Lyons came in shortly before the Anthonys did, so I would guess that there was a "chat" between the three of them... And I think Cindy found out she isn't the driving force behind her daughter's defense.

What interests me as well about this last hearing was Casey completely ignoring her parents and the parents standing there pathetically hoping for a glance or smile from her. I want to see what happens during the next hearing that Casey is required to attend to see if she acknowledges her parents or if they stand there looking "pathetic" again...

[Lavinia]

I'd rather take my chances with the wildlife, thank you! :biggrin:

Same here. Most wildlife is dangerous, but stupid as a bag of hair, the wildlife in prison is dangerous but sometimes a peg up on the stupidity level. I bet statistics bear out that more people fall prey to criminals than bears, snakes and gators in the US. :wink:

[Bala]

If Casey was to plead guilty does the judge then decide whether she received the death penalty or not? What if Casey made a deal for LWOP with the prosecutors pleads guilty then allocates does the judge have to except the LWOP or can he decide to impose the DP anyway?

[sunstar]

It would all suck, but I think the worst thing would be not to have my pillow! :sad: Remind me never to kill someone, okay?

I'm with you!! I definitely would miss my nice big bed with two pillows and my cats. Oh yes, I'd miss my DH too. :wink:

[sunstar]

If Casey was to plead guilty does the judge then decide whether she received the death penalty or not? What if Casey made a deal for LWOP with the prosecutors pleads guilty then allocates does the judge have to except the LWOP or can he decide to impose the DP anyway?

No, no, no!!! Only the jury can recommend the death penalty.

[Tornado]

No, no, no!!! Only the jury can recommend the death penalty.

So even if DP were to be taken back off the table now, the jury could come back and still recommend DP? Sorry you lost me.

[CelticDawn]

I'm with you!! I definitely would miss my nice big bed with two pillows and my cats. Oh yes, I'd miss my DH too. :wink:

I guess she has had ample time to accustom herself to not having her cellphone and text messaging and yammering continuously....as well as no internet.........NO INTERNET?....I wonder how I would survive that????...................ne'er mind...I dont plan on finding out!!!!!

[Sandy001]

If Casey decides to tell the truth now or before the trail starts what would become of the case at this point? Would she still need all the lawyers to represent her, would she still have to go to trail and let the jurors verdict her or would the case close and the judge would decide her sentencing? (Although she has proclaimed she is innocent to this day I am curious as to what would happen should she confess now). JMO I would think her atty would has for a lesser charge if she confeswses. However, I don't think we will ever see that. She BELIEVES her own lies.

[sunstar]

Same here. Most wildlife is dangerous, but stupid as a bag of hair, the wildlife in prison is dangerous but sometimes a peg up on the stupidity level. I bet statistics bear out that more people fall prey to criminals than bears, snakes and gators in the US. :wink:

Animals usually kill for food. If they're well-fed, most wildlife can adapt to humans around them, unlike the sadistic morons Casey will be encountering in a maximum security prison. MOO

[CRRJJ]

I'm beginning to think Casey has convinced herself that she actually has become a member of the defense team. I wonder who she thinks she's going to get to cross examine---Mommy, Daddy, Lee, Zannie, Zannie's dog even? They are all to blame you know. 'cept for casey. She is in her own little world, folks,just a big world of let's pretend. :wink:

[sunstar]

So even if DP were to be taken back off the table now, the jury could come back and still recommend DP? Sorry you lost me.

Sorry about that! No, if the DP were taken off the table, the maximum sentence would be LWOP according to FL law. What I was saying is a judge can't decide to administer the DP without the jury first recommending it, assuming the State is seeking the DP. MOO

[Pretty Leaf]

That was in 2005 as a law clerk - just think how great he is now that he has been to law school and even passed the bar. Bought himself a Beemer, $700,000. house and silk suits. Probably in debt over his ears.


Claimed bankrupcy and was behind on child support

Deadbeat dad, deadbeat lawyer with a deadbeat client..seems they make a great couple.

[CelticDawn]

If Casey was to plead guilty does the judge then decide whether she received the death penalty or not? What if Casey made a deal for LWOP with the prosecutors pleads guilty then allocates does the judge have to except the LWOP or can he decide to impose the DP anyway?

There would be NO NEED to plead if she was still subject to the DP anyway...

[101Spots]

Claimed bankrupcy and was behind on child support

Deadbeat dad, deadbeat lawyer with a deadbeat client..seems they make a great couple.

Was refused admittance to the bar because of financial irresponsibility. Don't forget that gem!

[sunstar]

I'm beginning to think Casey has convinced herself that she actually has become a member of the defense team. I wonder who she thinks she's going to get to cross examine---Mommy, Daddy, Lee, Zannie, Zannie's dog even? They are all to blame you know. 'cept for casey. She is in her own little world, folks,just a big world of let's pretend. :wink:

I think so too. Along those lines, I found it kind of amusing when she was arrested for murder, she knew Jose's phone number off the top of her head without even thinking about it. Contrast that to last summer when she was begging Lee to get hold of Tony's phone number for her. Funny she didn't have it memorized! And when she got Jose's office on the line, she said something like "Hi, it's Casey...is Jose there?" Just like they're on the same professional level. MOO

[Pretty Leaf]

Was refused admittance to the bar because of financial irresponsibility. Don't forget that gem!

Right..I thought it was because he is STUPID.

[Pruddennce]

I bet that Cia is not going to happy with all of AK questions about kc growing up....you know that attorney is going to be looking everywhere for any abuse, emotional, physical etc.....I just cannot see cin being truthful (choke, cough, cough)..........cin just may have a nervous breakdown before this is over. (jmo)

adair, dont you know that cindy already became despondent, you know, when Caylee was still 'missing' but "ALIVE" although Cindy was busily making her rounds on numerous phone interviews and sitdowns making that claim, she was just missing.....but then : she claims, she too wrote suicide notes, because 'you know when you miss someone so badly'.....

George was getting attention for his 'cough cough' attempt.....so she had to make a point of talking about her 'notes', but oopsy, she forgot, the time period she mentioned is when she was STRONG AS BULL claiming caylee was in the mountains, in california, possibly puerto rico, while pointing the finger at Casey's friends AND....

sitting with family services as Casey tells her Universal employment story to them and Cindy sits mute and allows the bogus work history to once again be put on the record as TRUE.

also, careful Cindy: she didnt report her husband 'missing'...she had conway do that. she had enough wherewithal to avoid speaking to 911and being recorded. that took precedent over her 'fear for George's life'....

"I wrote suicide notes back in the end of July and August because I couldn't bear not having Caylee around and not knowing," she said during the second day of interviews on CBS' "Early Show."

so let me get this straight, she leaves a voicemail for Det Allen July 23rd, telling LE how to do their job and claiming her daughter 'had help' if a certain scenario would happen to play out........all the while telling public that she Casey 'knows' who has Caylee and she is ALIVE.

too many words, too many explanations as to how she made a mistake with the date.....waited for her mother to get up and blah blah blah (IS THAT IMPORTANT!?) too many words, classic liar.

link to voicemail and of course excerpts from her infamous 'I wrote suicide notes' interview.....


http://www.wesh.com/news/19265785/detail.html

MIO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[KittyMom]

We're quickly approaching June 1. I wonder if Casey sits around thinking about what was going on in her life this time last year? Cindy? George? Lee?

Do they think about it in terms of how they could've protected Caylee?

:sad:

[Lavinia]

Animals usually kill for food. If they're well-fed, most wildlife can adapt to humans around them, unlike the sadistic morons Casey will be encountering in a maximum security prison. MOO

Yep. You can be beaten or killed for anything in prison. Because they want your property, because you are a romantic rival, because you snore, because you have demon eyes, because your name is made of the anagram, "She must die"., because someone saw an image of you in a tortilla with a slash across the image. Jealousy, because you told the inmate too much of your business, you name it someone won't like you. GGGGooooooooo CASEY! :thumbsup:

[Steps]

I think so too. Along those lines, I found it kind of amusing when she was arrested for murder, she knew Jose's phone number off the top of her head without even thinking about it. Contrast that to last summer when she was begging Lee to get hold of Tony's phone number for her. Funny she didn't have it memorized! And when she got Jose's office on the line, she said something like "Hi, it's Casey...is Jose there?" Just like they're on the same professional level. MOO

I wonder what Mrs Baez must REALLY thinks of her husband defending the OC. Bet there is some very interesting pillowtalk in the Baez master bedroom!!:sneaky:

[ish]

She wanted to be fresh for her attorney. :rolleyes:

Amy said the whole family was neat freaks, they cleaned 24/7, that is why she thought chloroform might have been found in casey's trunk, they had cleaning supplies all over, bleach and ammonia might have spilled.

[Sandy001]

Thanks for responding spot and Talamoth.

So if she pled guilty or confessed either one would spare her from DP?
Not necessarily. IT would spare her the TRIAL. The prosecution could still ask for any punishment they deemed appropriate and the Judge would make the decision.

There's no way, Baez wants to avoid a trial. He wants to ORATE - it might help if he sounded a little more intelligent in my opinion. Mark Hacking pled guilty and no one has heard anything about the case since. HE got 6 to life. I don't know what the prosecution was asking for.

[MDdetective]

Claimed bankrupcy and was behind on child support

Deadbeat dad, deadbeat lawyer with a deadbeat client..seems they make a great couple.

HA great post :thumbsup:

[KittyMom]

Just rereading a bit and saw the comments concerning the attys. Thought it was interesting.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_columnist_mikethomas/2009/05/was-casey-death-penalty-a-lamar-blunder.html
Was Casey death penalty a Lamar blunder?

[Pretty Leaf]

I wonder what Mrs Baez must REALLY thinks of her husband defending the OC. Bet there is some very interesting pillowtalk in the Baez master bedroom!!:sneaky:


Are they still together? I thought (mind a tad bit scrambled) that they were seperated.

[ish]

I'm beginning to think Casey has convinced herself that she actually has become a member of the defense team. I wonder who she thinks she's going to get to cross examine---Mommy, Daddy, Lee, Zannie, Zannie's dog even? They are all to blame you know. 'cept for casey. She is in her own little world, folks,just a big world of let's pretend. :wink:

You might be right, let's watch when they ask the defendant to rise, see if Baez has to prompt her. She'll be in for shock when they come to take HER away after the verdict!!

[Lavinia]

Ewww... I just thought of Baez in his skivvies. Ewwwwwwwwwwww.

Passing the clam fork and brain bleach...

[sunstar]

I wonder what Mrs Baez must REALLY thinks of her husband defending the OC. Bet there is some very interesting pillowtalk in the Baez master bedroom!!:sneaky:

At least Casey is in jail now instead of house arrest and visiting his office for six hours a day. :wink:

[TunaMelt]

I'm beginning to get the message.......
:crying:


ETA: Et tu, Tuna?

:crying:

me, too, spots.

[sammy62]

Yep. You can be beaten or killed for anything in prison. Because they want your property, because you are a romantic rival, because you snore, because you have demon eyes, because your name is made of the anagram, "She must die"., because someone saw an image of you in a tortilla with a slash across the image. Jealousy, because you told the inmate too much of your business, you name it someone won't like you. GGGGooooooooo CASEY! :thumbsup:

Casey might do better than Cindy ever would. Can you see her in prison. They'd either kill her...or help her escape

[ish]

I think so too. Along those lines, I found it kind of amusing when she was arrested for murder, she knew Jose's phone number off the top of her head without even thinking about it. Contrast that to last summer when she was begging Lee to get hold of Tony's phone number for her. Funny she didn't have it memorized! And when she got Jose's office on the line, she said something like "Hi, it's Casey...is Jose there?" Just like they're on the same professional level. MOO

not like he has a lot of clients though...

[Sandy001]

Well, perhaps not. I've heard Florida has only recommended death for three women ever. To me, however, this case is more heinous than just about any other case I have heard of where parents kill their children. Except Chris Coleman - and I bet HE gets the DPDidn't Florida execute Aileen Wuornous?

[KittyMom]

Ewww... I just thought of Baez in his skivvies. Ewwwwwwwwwwww.

http://www.cayleedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/baezbathingsuit.jpg

:scared:

[TunaMelt]

Ewww... I just thought of Baez in his skivvies. Ewwwwwwwwwwww.

:ohmy:

:eek:

I hope he waxes. *throw up*

[CelticDawn]

We're quickly approaching June 1. I wonder if Casey sits around thinking about what was going on in her life this time last year? Cindy? George? Lee?

Do they think about it in terms of how they could've protected Caylee?

:sad:

I think that if I were ANY of those people...I could never get caylee out of my mind...I think I would be replaying every day I could remember with her over and voer in my mind....and I think that I would end up suicidal.

[ish]

I wonder what Mrs Baez must REALLY thinks of her husband defending the OC. Bet there is some very interesting pillowtalk in the Baez master bedroom!!:sneaky:

let's just hope he doesn't yell out 'Casey' at the wrong time, that might delay the trial a bit.

[TunaMelt]

http://www.cayleedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/baezbathingsuit.jpg

:scared:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

:lol:

[CelticDawn]

Ewww... I just thought of Baez in his skivvies. Ewwwwwwwwwwww.

Now I have to UNvisualize that....Thank you...!!!

[TunaMelt]

let's just hope he doesn't yell out 'casey' at the wrong time, that might delay the trial a bit.

:lol:

oh stop stop stop!!

[TunaMelt]

Yes, they did.

(I just got my passport pic taken and I look like Aileen's sister. :scared:)

No! You do not!
:scared:

:lol:

[Tornado]

Sorry about that! No, if the DP were taken off the table, the maximum sentence would be LWOP according to FL law. What I was saying is a judge can't decide to administer the DP without the jury first recommending it, assuming the State is seeking the DP. MOO

No problem, thank you for clarifying. Eveyone on this board teaches me so many different things, i just wanted to have a clear picture in my head. :biggrin:

[CelticDawn]

http://www.cayleedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/baezbathingsuit.jpg

:scared:

OMG!!!!

SHAME ON YOU !!!!!



I wonder if hes reading here???...!!! :lol: :lol:

[sammy62]

No problem, thank you for clarifying. Eveyone on this board teaches me so many different things, i just wanted to have a clear picture in my head. :biggrin:

I have a clear picture in my head too...biaz in that picture. ugggg

[sunstar]

Just rereading a bit and saw the comments concerning the attys. Thought it was interesting.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_columnist_mikethomas/2009/05/was-casey-death-penalty-a-lamar-blunder.html
Was Casey death penalty a Lamar blunder?

Thanks, KM! There are some interesting comments but I don't think this case is comparable with OJ's dream team and Lyons sure is no Johnnie Cochran!! MOO

[Lavinia]

The only clear picture I have in my head is Baez in a bathing suit and drinking a beer. :sneaky:

Lavinia, pass that brain bleach and clam fork again?

:laugh: Gladly! :laugh:

[Tornado]

I have a clear picture in my head too...biaz in that picture. ugggg

I had just finished dinner, sat down to read what I had missed, and BAM run right into that....... I am trying to keep dinner down and regroup. :w00t:

[Lavinia]

You think Baez can read?

He looks at the pichures.

[sunstar]

No problem, thank you for clarifying. Eveyone on this board teaches me so many different things, i just wanted to have a clear picture in my head. :biggrin:

You're most welcome! I too have learned a lot, especially about law, from being here. :smile:

[Tornado]

You think Baez can read?


And the hits keep right on comin', LOL......

[MDdetective]

adair, dont you know that cindy already became despondent, you know, when Caylee was still 'missing' but "ALIVE" although Cindy was busily making her rounds on numerous phone interviews and sitdowns making that claim, she was just missing.....but then : she claims, she too wrote suicide notes, because 'you know when you miss someone so badly'.....

George was getting attention for his 'cough cough' attempt.....so she had to make a point of talking about her 'notes', but oopsy, she forgot, the time period she mentioned is when she was STRONG AS BULL claiming caylee was in the mountains, in california, possibly puerto rico, while pointing the finger at Casey's friends AND....

sitting with family services as Casey tells her Universal employment story to them and Cindy sits mute and allows the bogus work history to once again be put on the record as TRUE.

also, careful Cindy: she didnt report her husband 'missing'...she had conway do that. she had enough wherewithal to avoid speaking to 911and being recorded. that took precedent over her 'fear for George's life'....

"I wrote suicide notes back in the end of July and August because I couldn't bear not having Caylee around and not knowing," she said during the second day of interviews on CBS' "Early Show."

so let me get this straight, she leaves a voicemail for Det Allen July 23rd, telling LE how to do their job and claiming her daughter 'had help' if a certain scenario would happen to play out........all the while telling public that she Casey 'knows' who has Caylee and she is ALIVE.

too many words, too many explanations as to how she made a mistake with the date.....waited for her mother to get up and blah blah blah (IS THAT IMPORTANT!?) too many words, classic liar.

link to voicemail and of course excerpts from her infamous 'I wrote suicide notes' interview.....


http://www.wesh.com/news/19265785/detail.html

MIO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*


wow Pru...it's like you're reading my mind.

[CelticDawn]

There HAS to be some way psychologically.....spiritually.....any way....to UNSEE some things.....

There just HAS TO be...!!! :lol:

[sunstar]

Didn't Florida execute Aileen Wuornous?

Yes they did in Oct. 2002. One other woman before that. One still on death row. :smile:

[Lavinia]

There HAS to be some way psychologically.....spiritually.....any way....to UNSEE some things.....

There just HAS TO be...!!! :lol:

ECT or lobotomy. I'm running a special: $25 with clean instruments, $30 with sterilized instruments. :sneaky:

[Steps]

Yes they did in Oct. 2002. One other woman before that. One still on death row. :smile:

Anyone remember how long she was on death row before she was executed?

[Steps]

ECT or lobotomy. I'm running a special: $25 with clean instruments, $30 with sterilized instruments. :sneaky:

Lavinia-you're cracking us all up!!!!!

[Lavinia]

Lavinia-you're cracking us all up!!!!!

:wub:

Be back after while. I have to take a bath before the neighbors complain. Again. :rolleyes:

[farrahrani]

I think so too. Along those lines, I found it kind of amusing when she was arrested for murder, she knew Jose's phone number off the top of her head without even thinking about it. Contrast that to last summer when she was begging Lee to get hold of Tony's phone number for her. Funny she didn't have it memorized! And when she got Jose's office on the line, she said something like "Hi, it's Casey...is Jose there?" Just like they're on the same professional level. MOO


bolding mine.

Sounds more like a teenage girl calling her bf's job to chat real quick.

IMO.

[sunstar]

Anyone remember how long she was on death row before she was executed?
She was sentenced to death on Jan. 31, 1992. In 2001 she said she would not appeal her death sentence any further and in Oct. 2002 she was executed.

[sunstar]

bolding mine.

Sounds more like a teenage girl calling her bf's job to chat real quick.

IMO.

I thought of that too, but whatever, it wasn't like he was her attorney and she was the client. :unsure:

[Steps]

She was sentenced to death on Jan. 31, 1992. In 2001 she said she would not appeal her death sentence any further and in Oct. 2002 she was executed.

Wow! I didn't remember that. :huh:

[sunstar]

Wow! I didn't remember that. :huh:

I remembered what happened but I did have to look up the date of her sentencing! I paid attention to her casw since at the time of the murders my sister had just moved to FL and Aileen was big news.

[Sandy001]

That was in 2005 as a law clerk - just think how great he is now that he has been to law school and even passed the bar. Bought himself a Beemer, $700,000. house and silk suits. Probably in debt over his ears.
Didn't win his last one. In fact, he was so busy following Casey home that he neglected to even show up for sentencing - a BIG no-no

[Dells]

Thanks for linking this, Reggie.

I haven't read it all. But I believe it answers some questions. Like, it only takes ONE AGGRAVATING FACTOR for it to be a DP case.

Baez was bumbling the other day about the State not getting back to him on WHY they are seeking the DP. I was wondering if there was a score card on AGG FACTORS. If a minimum were needed. I didn't think so. Because I've seen cases where there were 3, 8, etc. All over the board.

So, Baez was rambling about a whole lotta nothing, IMO. The State doesn't need to get back to him about anything. Caylee was under 12. There!!! That in itself can be a reason, Jose.

These are the aggravating factors that I see making Casey's case a DP case:

1. Child under the age of 12
2. Casey was in a position of trust w/Caylee
3. Crime was heinous, atrocious, and cruel per the duct tape
4. Crime was committed during an act of child abuse (duct tape) which I think it makes if felony murder??

Are there any that I am missing? So that means that there are at least 4 factors making this a DP case, and seriously, JB still doesn't think it warrants the DP?:rolleyes:

[Sandy001]

It would all suck, but I think the worst thing would be not to have my pillow! :sad: Remind me never to kill someone, okay? You can buy a pillow at the commissary

[Pruddennce]

Anyone remember how long she was on death row before she was executed?

convicted in 1992, executed in 2002.

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[KittyMom]

How many of my fellow posters are now typing with forks in their eyes? :laugh:

bad, Kitty, bad

[myownopera]

You can buy a pillow at the commissary


Yeah, but wouldn't you really rather have pork rinds, chocolate and expensive bottled water??? You really don't know the luxuries of this world..:laugh::smile:

[Dells]

Thats what I dont understand Lyons is saying innocent. If she was going to go with family dysfunction wouldnt she say not guilty?

By Lyon saying that Casey is innocent, it means to me that they are going to still go w/the SODDI defense. Maybe once AL reads up on this case and gets more up to speed, we will hear something different from her. But as of now I still feel that their defense strategy is that Casey did not do this or have a hand in this at all. That means that they either have to go w/the non existent nanny did it or try to say one of Casey's innocent ex friends or associates did it. If Lyons goes w/either one of those 2 scenarios, I will lose respect for her.

[Tornado]

my bold

Can I borrow it? I just saw that picture of Baez. I need another one to replace it IMMEDIATELY:scared:

I have never been so grateful to be blind in on eye, whew half of my brain is still in tact.... :laugh:

The things that people have the ability to do with pics..... hilarious.

[sunstar]

These are the aggravating factors that I see making Casey's case a DP case:

1. Child under the age of 12
2. Casey was in a position of trust w/Caylee
3. Crime was heinous, atrocious, and cruel per the duct tape
4. Crime was committed during an act of child abuse (duct tape) which I think it makes if felony murder??

Are there any that I am missing? So that means that there are at least 4 factors making this a DP case, and seriously, JB still doesn't think it warrants the DP?:rolleyes:

I believe the defense is going to argue #3 and #4 by saying there is no proof how Caylee died and how does anyone know when the duct tape was placed over Caylee's mouth. :sad: MOO

[Lavinia]

You can buy a pillow at the commissary

They can?!?!?!?! I wonder if they can at state prison level? Wow, that is a luxury.

[Steps]

By Lyon saying that Casey is innocent, it means to me that they are going to still go w/the SODDI defense. Maybe once AL reads up on this case and gets more up to speed, we will hear something different from her. But as of now I still feel that their defense strategy is that Casey did not do this or have a hand in this at all. That means that they either have to go w/the non existent nanny did it or try to say one of Casey's innocent ex friends or associates did it. If Lyons goes w/either one of those 2 scenarios, I will lose respect for her.

I'll be really po'd if they try to pin any of this on Jesse. If Cindy had her way that's what would happen!:angry:

[Sandy001]

:lol:

oh stop stop stop!!Rumor is that he is no longer wearing a wedding ring.

[seeing_eye]

Claimed bankrupcy and was behind on child support

Deadbeat dad, deadbeat lawyer with a deadbeat client..seems they make a great couple.

Then how does he own such an expensive car and house?

[Sandy001]

These are the aggravating factors that I see making Casey's case a DP case:

1. Child under the age of 12
2. Casey was in a position of trust w/Caylee
3. Crime was heinous, atrocious, and cruel per the duct tape
4. Crime was committed during an act of child abuse (duct tape) which I think it makes if felony murder??

Are there any that I am missing? So that means that there are at least 4 factors making this a DP case, and seriously, JB still doesn't think it warrants the DP?:rolleyes:

That says it all to me

[sammy62]

These are the aggravating factors that I see making Casey's case a DP case:

1. Child under the age of 12
2. Casey was in a position of trust w/Caylee
3. Crime was heinous, atrocious, and cruel per the duct tape
4. Crime was committed during an act of child abuse (duct tape) which I think it makes if felony murder??

Are there any that I am missing? So that means that there are at least 4 factors making this a DP case, and seriously, JB still doesn't think it warrants the DP?:rolleyes:

is premeditated a factor?

[Pruddennce]

wow Pru...it's like you're reading my mind.


MDetective, IMO Cindy's lying is going to be a huge factor in this trial.....all that she has said and done will backfire on her. it will lead to a conviction. IMO

Casey wont look at them. and IMO not because she is avoiding press fodder....there is nothing unusual about a defendant looking at the people that support them and acknowledging them.

there is something 'not quite right' with her ignoring them and IMO, someone alluded to them they are not in the safety zone anymore.

*as if they ever were*

this is what happens when two psychos go at it....one of them is always going to make attempts to trump the other....

Cindy won the first round......the very first jailhouse call.....she was downright arrogant with Casey talking about her pressers....it was jaw dropping.....and casey was downright outraged that her 'vacation' as a single person was abruptly ended by her mother...GIVE ME TONY's #!

and where was Caylee in all of this?

she was not their focus....the focus was on them and their cutthroat posturing.

Cindy covered for her and repeatedly told her in the jailhouse visit they BELIEVED her and supported her....but Casey knew it wasnt entirely true: Casey's mind, IMO: why would they be asking more questions, if they believed her "new story of Blanchard Park"?

Cindy feigned support and Casey knew it. Cindy was attempting to communicate to her: Ill do this if you keep your mouth shut about OUR tangle the nite we engaged in an angry encounter.....

IMO, Casey is going to roll on her mother.....of course it will not equate to Cindy as her partner in this crime. In Casey's mind, it will diminish her actions, she was provoked. She knows Cindy's secret is sacred to Cindy. Its now time to save her butt. its payback time. (although that defense will not fly, but we are talking about Casey's mini-mind)

Cindy went to extraordinary lengths to keep 'the argument' out of the picture. she did not want anyone to know that Casey reacted to HER confrontation. but someone does know: Casey told Jesse she left because of her mother. Casey told several individuals she didnt want to be home because of her parents, that was one of the versions.

the truth was out there already with other individuals. Cindy failed to realize that.

Cindy has a superiority complex.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...........*

[seeing_eye]

Just rereading a bit and saw the comments concerning the attys. Thought it was interesting.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_columnist_mikethomas/2009/05/was-casey-death-penalty-a-lamar-blunder.html
Was Casey death penalty a Lamar blunder?

Naw, Lamar didn't blunder by getting a more accomplished attorney heading the defense team. With Baez running it the whole trial would have been thrown out for ineffective counsel and the whole thing would have to be done over.

[Sandy001]

Yeah, but wouldn't you really rather have pork rinds, chocolate and expensive bottled water??? You really don't know the luxuries of this world..:laugh::smile: Casey doesn't know how lucky she is. Non of those things are available at our local jail. In fact, if you want water, you have to take tap water and the tap water here is HORRIBLE. AND, it's warm, not cold.

[Sandy001]

Naw, Lamar didn't blunder by getting a more accomplished attorney heading the defense team. With Baez running it the whole trial would have been thrown out for ineffective counsel and the whole thing would have to be done over. As bad as Baez is, he will NOT get ineffective counsel on appeal. He has been out there defending his client ad nauseum. To be ineffectual, you have to do literally nothing. Lawyers who have been drunk during court don't get reversed on ineffective counsel. That's one of the haredest appeal reversals there is.

[sammy62]

Casey doesn't know how lucky she is. Non of those things are available at our local jail. In fact, if you want water, you have to take tap water and the tap water here is HORRIBLE. AND, it's warm, not cold.

do they have a faucet in their cell? how do they wash their hands after pottying.

[Steps]

MDetective, IMO Cindy's lying is going to be a huge factor in this trial.....all that she has said and done will backfire on her. it will lead to a conviction. IMO

Casey wont look at them. and IMO not because she is avoiding press fodder....there is nothing unusual about a defendant looking at the people that support them and acknowledging them.

there is something 'not quite right' with her ignoring them and IMO, someone alluded to them they are not in the safety zone anymore.

*as if they ever were*

this is what happens when two psychos go at it....one of them is always going to make attempts to trump the other....

Cindy won the first round......the very first jailhouse call.....she was downright arrogant with Casey talking about her pressers....it was jaw dropping.....and casey was downright outraged that her 'vacation' as a single person was abruptly ended by her mother...GIVE ME TONY's #!

and where was Caylee in all of this?

she was not their focus....the focus was on them and their cutthroat posturing.

Cindy covered for her and repeatedly told her in the jailhouse visit they BELIEVED her and supported her....but Casey knew it wasnt entirely true: Casey's mind, IMO: why would they be asking more questions, if they believed her "new story of Blanchard Park"?

Cindy feigned support and Casey knew it. Cindy was attempting to communicate to her: Ill do this if you keep your mouth shut about OUR tangle the nite we engaged in an angry encounter.....

IMO, Casey is going to roll on her mother.....of course it will not equate to Cindy as her partner in this crime. In Casey's mind, it will diminish her actions, she was provoked. She knows Cindy's secret is sacred to Cindy. Its now time to save her butt. its payback time. (although that defense will not fly, but we are talking about Casey's mini-mind)

Cindy went to extraordinary lengths to keep 'the argument' out of the picture. she did not want anyone to know that Casey reacted to HER confrontation. but someone does know: Casey told Jesse she left because of her mother. Casey told several individuals she didnt want to be home because of her parents, that was one of the versions.

the truth was out there already with other individuals. Cindy failed to realize that.

Cindy has a superiority complex.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...........*

Great post Pru! Something that has been gnawing on my mind for sometime. Remember C and G's jail visit when Cindy says that she forgives Casey for everything she said and did? I can't wrap my mind around Casey's responce. "I haven't SAID anything, mom." With all the "code talking" that family had been doing that comment has always bothered me.

[Pruddennce]

Rumor is that he is no longer wearing a wedding ring.

no ring here: did he ever wear one?

http://citizenkim.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/picture-18.png?w=465&h=406

but, this is the umbrella bailout: no ring here back then:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09ZP3zV5E8gnZ/340x.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.daylife.com/photo/09ZP3zV5E8gnZ&usg=__8hcC43havidiW9m-RXes4hHbyB8=&h=437&w=340&sz=37&hl=en&start=84&um=1&tbnid=zuhcaDqAUjH7IM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djose%2Bbaez%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26r ls%3Dcom.microsoft:*%26sa%3DN%26start%3D80%26um%3D 1

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[sunstar]

As bad as Baez is, he will NOT get ineffective counsel on appeal. He has been out there defending his client ad nauseum. To be ineffectual, you have to do literally nothing. Lawyers who have been drunk during court don't get reversed on ineffective counsel. That's one of the haredest appeal reversals there is.

That's why I was asking earlier if any of his previous clients who were convicted have succeeded, and I really can't see Casey succeeding either. MOO

[Lavinia]

do they have a faucet in their cell? how do they wash their hands after pottying.

In most modern correctional institutions, the potty and sink are formed from one piece of stainless steel with the sink on the top of the potty, kind of like where the tank would normally be. No potty seat. I can't say I've seen many inmates wash up after using the potty. :laugh:

[crimeq]

Perhaps. But after seeing her stand up and start yapping in court when she knew it wasn't proper yet. Not to mention her yapping on the court house steps leads me to believe that she's there for the reason I mentioned. I think she feels she's hit the lotttery with this one.

I think you're right. I'd never heard of Andrea Lyon and most likely would not have gone in search of a book about the death penalty. Now, it's likely that I will read the book (library) or perhaps even buy the book.

She has multiplied her name times thousands and thousands by taking on the Casey Anthony case, and she will sell a whole lot more books and become more famous.

[ttcRider]

Casey doesn't know how lucky she is. Non of those things are available at our local jail. In fact, if you want water, you have to take tap water and the tap water here is HORRIBLE. AND, it's warm, not cold.

Well at least they let you use the internet. :wink:
j/k

[Sandy001]

is premeditated a factor?Premeditated makes it Murder 1. Aggravating faqctors make it death penalty

[sammy62]

In most modern correctional institutions, the potty and sink are formed from one piece of stainless steel with the sink on the top of the potty, kind of like where the tank would normally be. No potty seat. I can't say I've seen many inmates wash up after using the potty. :laugh:

do they get tp?

[seeing_eye]

Casey doesn't know how lucky she is. Non of those things are available at our local jail. In fact, if you want water, you have to take tap water and the tap water here is HORRIBLE. AND, it's warm, not cold.

Ooooh, I would hate that jail. Now that I'm retired and in my golden years I really need comfort. I appreciate all my pillows, Internet and bottled water (the tap water here is undrinkable).

And I could not live without my crushed ice made from my bottled water!

I've got to make sure I don't break any laws. I just can't bear to think of going to jail and giving up all my luxuries.

[101Spots]

no ring here: did he ever wear one?

http://citizenkim.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/picture-18.png?w=465&h=406

but, this is the umbrella bailout: no ring here back then:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09ZP3zV5E8gnZ/340x.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.daylife.com/photo/09ZP3zV5E8gnZ&usg=__8hcC43havidiW9m-RXes4hHbyB8=&h=437&w=340&sz=37&hl=en&start=84&um=1&tbnid=zuhcaDqAUjH7IM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djose%2Bbaez%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26r ls%3Dcom.microsoft:*%26sa%3DN%26start%3D80%26um%3D 1

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Can you find a picture from the very first hearing? It was only a few minutes long.

[ConchGirl]

Don't forget "expensive canned shrimp", as per NG. :smile:
The OC is allergic to shellfish according to the docs. Here's 2 lbs of stone crabs for her. :laugh:

[Pruddennce]

Great post Pru! Something that has been gnawing on my mind for sometime. Remember C and G's jail visit when Cindy says that she forgives Casey for everything she said and did? I can't wrap my mind around Casey's responce. "I haven't SAID anything, mom." With all the "code talking" that family had been doing that comment has always bothered me.

thanks Steps. me2 Steps, it bothers me as well. Cindy had her 'prepared declaration' ready for delivery and suddenly casey is concerned with the volume on the tele.....Cindy says:

We forgive anything you have said, or done.....Casey: I havent said anything, dont worry. then changes the subject.

Cindy: the whole United States is looking for her.
Casey: GOOD.

good?

and then all of the cryptic msgs ensue. where is Cindy getting the name Josephina? she asked Casey about that name.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18205452/index.html

and then ewww.....George saying HI GORGEOUS.

he calls her 'that little girl' and then Casey says the same thing in this video "I love that little girl'.

OMG

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Lavinia]

Well at least they let you use the internet. :wink:
j/k

:laugh::laugh:

[ttcRider]

She ain't going to love TonE no mo, that fer sure. I have a feeling TonE wishes he had never met her. I think she will finally get the msg when all her past lovers get on the stand. "Me, a Ho and a Murderer - No, I am Blanche Dubois, Attorney at Law".

Who's gonna want to date TonE now!!?? :laugh: Talk about having baggage.

[Lavinia]

do they get tp?

*Very* little of it and it ain't Charmin. :scared:

[Lavinia]

I wrote to Casey on her MYSpace! http://www.myspace.com/450877964

[Lavinia]

I dub thee The Woman Who Knows Too Much. :scared:

(It's okay as long as they're buying the story I "worked" there, lol.) :wink:

[JHP]

I wrote to Casey on her MYSpace! http://www.myspace.com/450877964


They get myspace in jail? Maybe it should be called cellspace.

[Lavinia]

You clean already or did the neighbors move?

I cut their phone lines. Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.:wink:

[crimeq]

Thank you very much. Great read. The involvment of the family is critical in her strategy. My favorite line: "Before you interview your client's family members, be sure to have in mind some of the different possible reactions they may have".

Lyon's theme song now may become "If I had a hammer".


imo

I bet she's viewing all the video of the Ants. Lyon does 15-20 hrs. research for each hour she actually appears in court. She is going to know this family inside-out and Cindy isn't going to like it one tiny bit :wink:

[ConchGirl]

O/T Three cop cars showed up on our street. Neighbors all took cover in their houses. AIG down the street called LE because there was a black man in the hood. Turns out the black man in the hood is the caretaker (for the last 3 years) for the 86 yr stoke victim neighbor to me for the last 25 yrs. Sad story…… My heart is still pounding and good night my friends. Back to camp for me

[Lavinia]

O/T Three cop cars showed up on our street. Neighbors all took cover in their houses. AIG down the street called LE because there was a black man in the hood. Turns out the black man in the hood is the caretaker (for the last 3 years) for the 86 yr stoke victim neighbor to me for the last 25 yrs. Sad story…… My heart is still pounding and good night my friends. Back to camp for me

Daaaang, CG. Is it illegal to be black in Islamorada? :scared:

[msgatorslayer]

convicted in 1992, executed in 2002.

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

You must be talking about Alieen Wournos. She fired her attorney's and wanted to die. She didn't want any more appeals. Her death warrant was signed. Her ex-attorney thought she was crazy, lol, and wanted her mentally checked out before going ahead with the execution. The Governor gave her a stay until it could be done. A mental check was performed and she was cleared. If it hadn't been for her willingness to die, IMO, she'd still be lingering on DR.

[bchand]

I wrote to Casey on her MYSpace! http://www.myspace.com/450877964

ROFL - the poptart recipe?

[ttcRider]

I wrote to Casey on her MYSpace! http://www.myspace.com/450877964

That sounds better than a chip sandwich! Is there a Jail House cookbook that inmates get to contribute to and sell for proceeds?? :w00t:

[Pruddennce]

You must be talking about Alieen Wournos. She fired her attorney's and wanted to die. She didn't want any more appeals. Her death warrant was signed. Her ex-attorney thought she was crazy, lol, and wanted her mentally checked out before going ahead with the execution. The Governor gave her a stay until it could be done. A mental check was performed and she was cleared. If it hadn't been for her willingness to die, IMO, she'd still be lingering on DR.

I agree, she would still be here....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[ttcRider]

Dunno. You free tonight? :tonguewag:

I know... it was too late to delete after I thought about it for a minute. :laugh:

[Lavinia]

ROFL - the poptart recipe?

I borrowed heavily from Martha Stewart if I do say so myself.

[sammy62]

thanks Steps. me2 Steps, it bothers me as well. Cindy had her 'prepared declaration' ready for delivery and suddenly casey is concerned with the volume on the tele.....Cindy says:

We forgive anything you have said, or done.....Casey: I havent said anything, dont worry. then changes the subject.

Cindy: the whole United States is looking for her.
Casey: GOOD.

good?

and then all of the cryptic msgs ensue. where is Cindy getting the name Josephina? she asked Casey about that name.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18205452/index.html

and then ewww.....George saying HI GORGEOUS.

he calls her 'that little girl' and then Casey says the same thing in this video "I love that little girl'.

OMG

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

"my bold" That hits my "Ick" factor BIG TIME

[Lavinia]

That sounds better than a chip sandwich! Is there a Jail House cookbook that inmates get to contribute to and sell for proceeds?? :w00t:

We can help her with her store money. We can all send recipe contributions and she can sell 'em to her cellies for more store money. YAY!!!!

[sunstar]

Don't forget "expensive canned shrimp", as per NG. :smile:

I can only imagine what it tastes like. My cats probably wouldn't even eat it! I think Nancy exaggerates sometimes. :smile:

[jammies]

What does it tell jammies??


Think: Lady MacBeth.

[Lavinia]

She will probably be an alcoholic and give up law after she looks at the Anthonys very long. Or go blind sticking pins in her eyes so she will never have to look at them again. She will dream of Cindy's ugly faces until she hates her.

She will never chew gum again, driink water or wear green and will be terrifiied of her refrig. Otherwise, she would have to look at them for over 1500 hours just to get ready for a 3 month trial, then look at them all thru trial for a min. of 1575 hours. Will Cindy intimidate her or just make her nuts. I assure you she will never forget Cindy or Casey.

:laugh::laugh: And those are her good days! HAHAHA!

[crimeq]

OMG I am having that picture put on my christmas cards this year...

I sent it to Cindy; maybe she'll put it on the Ant's christmas cards this year :-)

[sunstar]

I wrote to Casey on her MYSpace! http://www.myspace.com/450877964

OMG :lol: Yummy recipe???!!! I read through a few other comments and most times somebody who says bad things about you over there won't be a friend very long. I wonder why some of those non-supportive comments are still there.

[KittyMom]

I dub thee The Woman Who Knows Too Much. :scared:

With the Eyes That Have Seen Too Much :scared:

[Lavinia]

OMG :lol: Yummy recipe???!!! I read through a few other comments and most times somebody who says bad things about you over there won't be a friend very long. I wonder why some of those non-supportive comments are still there.

I dunno about all the haters over there. I'm just trying to make sure she has a nutritious snack.:patriot: :D

[bchand]

OMG :lol: Yummy recipe???!!! I read through a few other comments and most times somebody who says bad things about you over there won't be a friend very long. I wonder why some of those non-supportive comments are still there.

The first time we saw that page I noticed the girl who started it hadn't signed in for a few weeks. She did sign in yesterday though. I don't think it's going over as well as she expected.

[Sandy001]

do they get tp? of course, how do you think so many prison inmates can make knives out of paper products. In our local jail, tp and pads are free - everything else is commissary

[jammies]

HEADS UP!

Casey A. case coming up next on GERALDO/FOX..

something about an ambush.....didn't catch the whole thing.

[Sandy001]

They get myspace in jail? Maybe it should be called cellspace.
Only if she uses Baez's laptop, which I have no doubt she does. I would like to see exactly HOW much work he is doing on it when he visits her.
After all, he got the approval to take it into the jail for WORK purposes. I think it was for Casey purposes. How else was she able to view the memorial services? She sure didn't see them on TV.

[Lavinia]

Livinia - great post! Sorry if this has been discussed already - just trying to catch up here.

I find your post fascinating as I am trying to imagine what difficulties the OC might experience there. It sounds like she will be protected from nefarious activities being done on her and the like of that. From your perception of OC, what about prison do you think will make life unbearable for her, if anything. I had really wanted LWOP for her so she could get her just desserts there.

It sounds like she will be in a private cell and away from everyone else, eating in there, etc. Are there times where she is exposed to the outside of her cell at all such that she would have contact with other inmates?

Please tell more! Love your posts!

She will most certainly be in a cell alone for some time. It is still very intimidating. I remember when I went for my first job interview, I was wearing a long black skirt and a sweater. A friend I knew there took me on a tour of ADSEG/SHU. I got all kinds of cat calls, Johnny Cash jokes (he usually wore all black) and funeral jokes. You could see men masturbating in their cells. and the SCREAMING was awful. Protective housing is far from absolute safety, BTW. The inmates know those doors can be jacked and they can still get assaulted and killed. Fire can be thrown into their cells. Poison darts can be blown into the inmates cell. Has their food been tampered with? Is the orderly down the hall when you are being escorted to shower or rec on the up and up or does he have a contract on you?
I am anxious to see how tough this little white middle class spoiled brat is in the face of the real hood.

[Anakerie]

Oh good grief... Both Baez and LKB are on Geraldo... :rolleyes:

Baez is whining about being kept away from Casey the day Caylee's remains were found...

Now LKB whining about prosecutors leaking information and tainting the jury pool...

[bchand]

HEADS UP!

Casey A. case coming up next on GERALDO/FOX..

something about an ambush.....didn't catch the whole thing.

Let us know if it's anything jammies, thanks.

[myownopera]

JB and LKB are on Geraldo right now!!! They are talking about horrible LE has been and how they tricked Casey into the medical area so they could seceretly film her ........ GMAB:angry:

[jammies]

Just watched Geraldo.

I now agree with those that think the moneyman behind the scenes is GR.

[raz]

Casey gives her gum one final, loud smack, spits it out in her hand and says (to the attendant), "Give this to my mom will ya?


(cmon guys we could have some fun with this one :tonguewag:)

"Wait were are my big white sunglasses?":biggrin:

[sunstar]

I dunno about all the haters over there. I'm just trying to make sure she has a nutritious snack.:patriot: :D

Oh I can definitely see that! :biggrin:

[jammies]

Let us know if it's anything jammies, thanks.


Complaining about the jail tape being unethical, etc. Jose had to wait for a "significant amount of time" before seeing her. Just a whine-fest with Geraldo urging them on.


ETA: LKB must have been reading here. Her hair was real purdy tonight.

[bchand]

I felt the same thing, Sal. They were visibly upset for a reason. AL might have had a serious reality talk and brought some sobriety to the situation for the first time ever.

One of the reporters at the hearing watched Cindy & George.


Kealing also kept tabs on the Anthonys: Cindy Anthony, mother of Casey, got emotional several times, but Casey Anthony was "all business" and wrote several notes to her lawyers.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony-new-attorney-says-state-has-no-grounds-to-seek-death.html

I wish I knew which parts made her emotional.

[myownopera]

Just watched Geraldo.

I now agree with those that think the moneyman behind the scenes is GR.

I agree definitely -- but did you hear him say that CA was probably responsible for Casey's death!!! But I feel sure Geraldo is behind the $$$$$.


JMOO

[bchand]

Complaining about the jail tape being unethical, etc. Jose had to wait for a "significant amount of time" before seeing her. Just a whine-fest with Geraldo urging them on.

Oh. yawn. Thanks jammies.

[sunstar]

Oh good grief... Both Baez and LKB are on Geraldo... :rolleyes:

Baez is whining about being kept away from Casey the day Caylee's remains were found...

Now LKB whining about prosecutors leaking information and tainting the jury pool...

Oh darn, I missed it!

[Lavinia]

With the Eyes That Have Seen Too Much :scared:

And nose which has smelled too much.

I have had several odd, non-PC jobs, that keep my husband's family completely discombobulated. :shrug:

[Anakerie]

Oh darn, I missed it!
lol, You didn't miss anything worth listening too....

[bchand]

I agree definitely -- but did you hear him say that CA was probably responsible for Casey's death!!! But I feel sure Geraldo is behind the $$$$$.


JMOO

Geraldo said that tonight? I've heard him say that previously but did he say it in front of them?

[gaelicpeas]

Livinia - great post! Sorry if this has been discussed already - just trying to catch up here.

I find your post fascinating as I am trying to imagine what difficulties the OC might experience there. It sounds like she will be protected from nefarious activities being done on her and the like of that. From your perception of OC, what about prison do you think will make life unbearable for her, if anything. I had really wanted LWOP for her so she could get her just desserts there.

It sounds like she will be in a private cell and away from everyone else, eating in there, etc. Are there times where she is exposed to the outside of her cell at all such that she would have contact with other inmates?

Please tell more! Love your posts!The sheer lack of ANYthing to do would drive me batty. I couldn't fathom being locked in a 6 x 9 cell or whatever size they are for the rest of my life! I mean, I can sit at my computer for hours... but at least I am DOING something! The whole idea of prison sends shivers down my spine.

[jammies]

I borrowed heavily from Martha Stewart if I do say so myself.


Mario's post over there cracks me up. "stop breathing our air" :laugh:

[jammies]

I agree definitely -- but did you hear him say that CA was probably responsible for Casey's death!!! But I feel sure Geraldo is behind the $$$$$.


JMOO



Wow. I never gave it any thought that it was him until tonight. When he said to Jose that he spoke with him before and after his jailhouse visit......that did it for me. GR is using Baez to get the story.

[Sandy001]

She will most certainly be in a cell alone for some time. It is still very intimidating. I remember when I went for my first job interview, I was wearing a long black skirt and a sweater. A friend I knew there took me on a tour of ADSEG/SHU. I got all kinds of cat calls, Johnny Cash jokes (he usually wore all black) and funeral jokes. You could see men masturbating in their cells. and the SCREAMING was awful. Protective housing is far from absolute safety, BTW. The inmates know those doors can be jacked and they can still get assaulted and killed. Fire can be thrown into their cells. Poison darts can be blown into the inmates cell. Has their food been tampered with? Is the orderly down the hall when you are being escorted to shower or rec on the up and up or does he have a contract on you?
I am anxious to see how tough this little white middle class spoiled brat is in the face of the real hood.
Sounds like you visited amen's prison. Women's prisons are little different. I would love to see Casey in a Protected Housing Unit. That being said, Charles Manson is a PHU and he still manages to make money selling his "art creations." If you don't mind being alone, you can survive.

The work I did with the women in the local jail amazed me as the one thing they all were eagerly awaiting was their trip to prison. They said prison time was far easier than jail time. More privileges, better food, better commissary, more actifvities. That was the most shocking thing to me.

[myownopera]

Geraldo said that tonight? I've heard him say that previously but did he say it in front of them?


Yes, he said that just before introducing JB and LKB -- as he was saying how terrible it was the the Prosecution was seeking the DP -- he is very against the DP, but yes, he did say he thought the mother was responsible for the child's death.

[jammies]

Geraldo said that tonight? I've heard him say that previously but did he say it in front of them?


Yes. He said something like "Don't get me wrong, Casey probably is responsible for Caylee's death.....BUT.............."

[Sandy001]

Oh darn, I missed it! I TIVO'd it.So will watch it now. I Loathe Geraldo. He's such a media *****. Not to mention that he gets his facts skewed. Geraldo's nose is brown from kissing Baez's skivvies imoo

[KittyMom]

Sounds like you visited amen's prison. Women's prisons are little different. I would love to see Casey in a Protected Housing Unit. That being said, Charles Manson is a PHU and he still manages to make money selling his "art creations." If you don't mind being alone, you can survive.

The work I did with the women in the local jail amazed me as the one thing they all were eagerly awaiting was their trip to prison. They said prison time was far easier than jail time. More privileges, better food, better commissary, more actifvities. That was the most shocking thing to me.

Several years ago my hubby taught for a college in a local women's prison. The prison was minimum security and taking classes was a priviledge. His biggest problem was every once in a while a "lady" would try to attract his attention. :scared:

[bchand]

LKB was in the studio with him, Jose was via satellite. He said it in front of them both, more or less.

Thanks to all who answered.

All I can say is GOOD!

[myownopera]

Who said that? Was he referring to Casey or Cindy?! :scared:


Casey, -- and I certainly agree. Even KG said she thought all the evidence pointed to Casey -- but did agree that Casey should have privacy during medical treatment and meetings with her attorney.

[sunstar]

lol, You didn't miss anything worth listening too....

I'm not surprised! Geraldo has been supporting his friend Jose from the get go, even though I don't think he truly buys Casey's innocence. MOO

[Lavinia]

Sounds like you visited amen's prison. Women's prisons are little different. I would love to see Casey in a Protected Housing Unit. That being said, Charles Manson is a PHU and he still manages to make money selling his "art creations." If you don't mind being alone, you can survive.

The work I did with the women in the local jail amazed me as the one thing they all were eagerly awaiting was their trip to prison. They said prison time was far easier than jail time. More privileges, better food, better commissary, more actifvities. That was the most shocking thing to me.

Sandy, I worked in a men's max. security prison in Texas and a Low sec. and max. penitentiary in Texas. I have NO experience with the females and one of the reasons is there wasn't the biggest bulldog hoss boss that worked on a man's unit that would ever transfer to a female unit, lol.

Don't get me wrong, there are a few people for whom prison seem made for. They somehow know a way to do their time without being "seen" by either the rest of the population or the administration. If you do well with solitary time and are one of those inmates that just does their time without any confrontations, prison time can be relatively easy. (Although they still witness far more than a person should.)

Everyone does time in a different way. Some do relatively well and some are disastrous from the time the gates close.

[sunstar]

Well, I certainly hope the OC will be going to a prison that is a little rougher than that. I want her to be utterly prison-challenged.

Note that KittyMom said "minimum security" in her post. That won't be where Casey ends up if convicted of murder! :wink: MOO

[seeing_eye]

*Very* little of it and it ain't Charmin. :scared:

OMG, add Charmin to my pillows, crushed ice and bottled water on my earlier post. I cannot substitute any other tp for Charmin!

[Lavinia]

Lavinia, we all know you meant nothing but kindness towards Casey. You have a good heart.

Dam squirrels up under my keyboard again. That's not what I meant to say at all!!!!!

But of course I'm looking out for the angel.

I must have the damn squirrels now, too!!!!!!

[KittyMom]

Well, I certainly hope the OC will be going to a prison that is a little rougher than that. I want her to be utterly prison-challenged.

It wasn't all nice. For the inmates that didn't have priviledges it was no walk in the park. The guards would tell stories that would curl your hair. In fact, hubby was told many times over that women are a lot meaner and more vindictive than men. :huh:

[Sandy001]

OMG, the defense team are such liars. How can they appear on camera and say those untruths. LKB said prisoners have a right to privacy. If that is true, why are hte toilets right inside the door where prisoners can be seen doing their "Business." That is true in every jail I have ever observed. If they have the right to privacy, why are they not given privacy to use the toilet? LKB is a big FAT liar. And Jose is even bigger. HOraldo is just a media ho, plain and simsple. I used to respect Kimberly Guilfoyle, but she is clearly uninformed on this case.

Geraldo is saying that they are treating her like a serial killer. No, they have her in protective custody. Had she not asked for medical assistanace and she was left to "rot" in her cell, they might have a claim. The fact they took a prisoner who complained of being ill to a medical waiting room where she could be observed is exactly the correct thing to do.

Now I have to go throw something through my window to get rid of my anger.

[FoxySly]

~

Don't know if this has been addressed as I am multitasking in & out working on solar lights BUT....................

I'm watch the E! channel 'Fatal Beauty: 15 Most Notorious Women'

#2 is that Canadian karla? ...

#1 is casey

that female serial killer aileen wuornos was also listed & she ain't no beauty so IMO they ain't basing this on beauty lol.

Sly

[KittyMom]

~

Don't know if this has been addressed as I am multitasking in & out working on solar lights BUT....................

I'm watch the E! channel 'Fatal Beauty: 15 Most Notorious Women'

#2 is that Canadian karla? ...

#1 is casey

that female serial killer aileen wuornos was also listed & she ain't no beauty so IMO they ain't basing this on beauty lol.

Sly

awwww....isn't that special! Casey won a beauty contest. Something else for G to be proud of. :tonguewag:

[Sandy001]

Casey, -- and I certainly agree. Even KG said she thought all the evidence pointed to Casey -- but did agree that Casey should have privacy during medical treatment and meetings with her attorney.She wasn't IN the meidcal facility - she was sin the waiting room. Why didn't Jose request to go to an atty-client room rather than interact with her in a videotaped waiting room? No man is that STOOPID. He has proven over and over again that he thinks he and his precious "girl deserve special privileges. When they aren't given to him, he just takes them and then cries "foul."

I think the jail will be vindicated in the end. It just infuriates me that people can lie like these people do and be believed.

[Lavinia]

Note that KittyMom said "minimum security" in her post. That won't be where Casey ends up if convicted of murder! :wink: MOO

TRUE. VERY, VERY, VERY big difference there. I would take one of my kids with me to a min. sec. prison if I had to pick up a check or something. I wouldn't let my kids see where I worked max, except the gun towers from the freeway. The Federal Camp doesn't even have a fence around it. It's the honor system if an inmate comes back.

I just started watching some series of shows, I think on MSNBC "Lockup Raw"? Watch those. The ones I saw were VERY accurate although you can't FEEL the CONSTANT tension at all times. The one that I've seen closest to my prison was a Corcoran. The tension is a killer. You don't relax for a second. It's a war.

Where I worked, there is a sign that says, "No hostages will be taken beyond this point." It's on an internal door in the unit. It means, if you take someone from this point on, they will NOT be negotiated for. You may have taken one of ours and though we love them, you will get NOTHING from us to get him/her back.

[Sandy001]

Don't let it be your computer!! Trust me, it won't be.

I was just thinking that Geraldo is a waste, a HUGE WASTE

[101Spots]

OMG the spin! Like bad politics. I'm angry now too. :angry: Where is the truth squad when we need them?

In "that building across the street."

[Sandy001]

TRUE. VERY, VERY, VERY big difference there. I would take one of my kids with me to a min. sec. prison if I had to pick up a check or something. I wouldn't let my kids see where I worked max, except the gun towers from the freeway. The Federal Camp doesn't even have a fence around it. It's the honor system if an inmate comes back.

I just started watching some series of shows, I think on MSNBC "Lockup Raw"? Watch those. The ones I saw were VERY accurate although you can't FEEL the CONSTANT tension at all times. The one that I've seen closest to my prison was a Corcoran. The tension is a killer. You don't relax for a second. It's a war.

Where I worked, there is a sign that says, "No hostages will be taken beyond this point." It's on an internal door in the unit. It means, if you take someone from this point on, they will NOT be negotiated for. You may have taken one of ours and though we love them, you will get NOTHING from us to get him/her back.

LKB is sooo wrong about the right to privacy. YOu can (and very well might be) strip searched at any time. Where is the privacy in that?

[Sandy001]

In "that building across the street."
Amen to that. Once again, I see a prosecutor's office operating with integrity and not stooping to the slings and arrows of the lying defense. I guess LKB doesn't understand the Sunshine Law in Florida at all - if she did, she'd shut up and quickly. I'm willing to chip in for a gag for her. BTW, did anyone else think that Casey's dress code seems to mimic LKB's minus the phoney hair color?

[Sandy001]

I thought I remember someone saying that the OC was actually in a public waiting area when all this was recorded. Anyone know the truth of this or under what cirumstances and where she was when this recording was made? I believe she was in the medical waiting room, not in the medical facility proper so there would be no privacy of any records since she hadn't seen anyone yet. There are video cameras all over the jails. Baez acts as if they put this one in just to catch him doing something with "his girl"

[101Spots]

Amen to that. Once again, I see a prosecutor's office operating with integrity and not stooping to the slings and arrows of the lying defense. I guess LKB doesn't understand the Sunshine Law in Florida at all - if she did, she'd shut up and quickly. I'm willing to chip in for a gag for her. BTW, did anyone else think that Casey's dress code seems to mimic LKB's minus the phoney hair color?

I'm good for $20 for this. Size large, right?

[Sandy001]

I could listen to you talk about this for hours. I used to watch that Lockup program but had to quit after awhile because I started getting depressed.

Lavinia, what type of prison do you think OC will likely end up in.


I enjoyed the one on the Women's Prison in Chowchilla,CA. A woman I interviewed in jail is in that tape in the drug rehab program. That's something else available in prison. Rehab.

[myownopera]

Trust me, it won't be.

I was just thinking that Geraldo is a waste, a HUGE WASTE

If it helps you, he did say he lost $500,000 in his GE stock -- sorry, O/T, but he did say just that!!!:rolleyes:

[Lavinia]

I could listen to you talk about this for hours. I used to watch that Lockup program but had to quit after awhile because I started getting depressed.

Lavinia, what type of prison do you think OC will likely end up in.
I think she will go to Lowell St. Prison in Florida so far as I know know.

[Sandy001]

I pulled the quote below from a post on this board from the 27th. If there is any truth to this, it could be THE reason why BOZO is fighting so hard to keep the tape out. If this is true, and the tape comes out, that will shatter this case. What would happen?

Bh --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

to Lizzie and all:
Well I"M back and a little dissapointed. I couldn't take notes, but ill do the best I can. the bounty hunter/bailbondsman info is as follows:
He has an office in St. Cloud. His secretary Dottie is really good friends with Baez's ex secretary.(hence the EX) She told bondsman that I met, that indeed Casey and baez were having sex. (those 8 hr days in his office) Baez secretary quit because of this.
If the case starts to go bad at trial Casey will reveal this. Witnesses will come forward with this info.
Baez is stuck. Casey managed to get him where she wants.
The release of video of Casey when the body of Caylee was located shows Baez with his hand on Caseys backside, his hand looks like it was in her pants in the back, because women have a top & bottom instead of a jumpsuit.When he put his hand on her back thats what hapened.
He does not want this released. Its not Casey hyperventilating that worries him.
He got Casey as a client because attys show up at the jail to try to get clients.
the jail guards inform the inmate; do not to take the first one. Take an atty that you feel will defend you to the best of their ability.
The first atty was an older man and Casey didnt like him.
the second atty was a woman and when she spoke with Casey she was appauled, it came down to morals as she felt Casey was guilty.
The third was Baez and he knew what to say and acted like he cared. Thats who Casey chose, it was HER choice.
He would not tell me who the old couple is that sends the A's money, but did say it was not Melanie Reiger (sp) group.
side note: it is this bondsmans opinion that TonE Lazzaro knew Caylee was dead. I asked him why he thought this; he said they were together 24/7 for that period of time. I disagreed with him on that.
He also told me LP never for a second thought casey would talk when he bonded her out. PUBLICITY only. He knows Lenny personally.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least. Casey has used sex in the past to get guys. Why wouldn't she pursue Jose? He's definitely dumb enough to fall for that. Let's send a gag to LKB and a new zipper for Jose's pants. lolol

P.S. I Think Jose could be disballed for that,,,,errr I mean disbarred.

[101Spots]

It wouldn't surprise me in the least. Casey has used sex in the past to get guys. Why wouldn't she pursue Jose? He's definitely dumb enough to fall for that. Let's send a gag to LKB and a new zipper for Jose's pants. lolol

I'm good for another $20. Size small, right?

[sunstar]

Duh. Thx for pointing that out. :blush:

You're most welcome! I wish I could stay here longer but tomorrow's Monday again and I have to get up early for work. Have a good night everybody and thanks for all the info today! :seeya:

[Lavinia]

Last direct question about prison to you (I promise) - do you know anything about that prison and if it will be provide enough of a punishment for her?

It's not a bother Talamoth! I don't know a lot about it. I know there are a lot of inmate complaints about it as it seems to be one of the least modernized facilities. I was going to wait a bit and see where I thought she was going a little more surely and study up on the prison. I'll probably start that this week. I'll keep everyone apprised. :biggrin:

Nytol my bestest bloggin' buds! :wub::wub:

[Hanford]

I could listen to you talk about this for hours. I used to watch that Lockup program but had to quit after awhile because I started getting depressed.

Lavinia, what type of prison do you think OC will likely end up in.


I agree!
Sorry-I'm jumping in here, but have been reading since the beginning of this case, and always find Lavinia's input so interesting.
Also, if possible , I would like to know what the difference between jail, prison, penitentiary(sp?) is,
and which one Casey will most likely go to if she is convicted.
Thanks-

[101Spots]

You won't find the truth with the Macho Morons Geraldo and Baez. Does that quack lawyer think the jail cares what he wants or says. He was also angry at the jail for letting As see Casey while he was in NY - he had left instructions for them!!! "He opens her mail" - yea right - if it goes to his office instead of the jail. He lives on another planet also.

ME BIG - ME BIG LIAR. ME BIG ATTORENY 3 Yrs. -" WHERE DID YU GO TO LAW SCHOOL!" me wear big silk jacket - size 48 very long (comes to his knees and looks like he got it at a funeral home scrap pile) you are not a 10 either Jose. Dumb too.

Me really tired of Jose. Me dislike Jerry Rivers, too.

Puh-leeze. Neither one of these "men" could spell macho, let alone act that way.

[Sandy001]

Me really tired of Jose. Me dislike Jerry Rivers, too.

Puh-leeze. Neither one of these "men" could spell macho, let alone act that way.
There is one good thing about this case if it's televised. I will get plenty of nice long naps when Baez speaks. He could put an army to sleep

[seeing_eye]

OMG, the defense team are such liars. How can they appear on camera and say those untruths. LKB said prisoners have a right to privacy. If that is true, why are hte toilets right inside the door where prisoners can be seen doing their "Business." That is true in every jail I have ever observed. If they have the right to privacy, why are they not given privacy to use the toilet? LKB is a big FAT liar. And Jose is even bigger. HOraldo is just a media ho, plain and simsple. I used to respect Kimberly Guilfoyle, but she is clearly uninformed on this case.

Geraldo is saying that they are treating her like a serial killer. No, they have her in protective custody. Had she not asked for medical assistanace and she was left to "rot" in her cell, they might have a claim. The fact they took a prisoner who complained of being ill to a medical waiting room where she could be observed is exactly the correct thing to do.

Now I have to go throw something through my window to get rid of my anger.

Reference my bolding LKB must have told Geraldo that Casey was being treated like Ted Bundy.