Sunday, May 31st 2009 #1

[Lavinia]

This is why I believe LWOP is a most fitting punishment for OC. Put that little narcissistic snot into a situation that she can't charm herself out of. Sally, Martha and Bertha are waiting and have their tooth admissions in their pockets.

I'm definitely in the LWOP camp.

[sammy62]

:lol: I get your point. I'm sure Mad Martha and Big Bertha would be glad to help Sally with the cause.

These will be her friends for life

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=7&From=list&SessionID=197152598

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveOffenders/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=198063733

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveOffenders/detail.asp?Bookmark=19&From=list&SessionID=198063733

[Lavinia]

I may just have to send money to Sally and the girls accounts if they "initiated" casey. There goes the perfect straight teeth the anthonys hold so dear.

LOL
kinda kidding

Quit posting Heyes, I can't get ahead of your count! :laugh: (It would be tempting to contribute to a cause in the name of Casey,but it will come sure enough.)

[Lapis]

Thanks for linking this, Reggie.

I haven't read it all. But I believe it answers some questions. Like, it only takes ONE AGGRAVATING FACTOR for it to be a DP case.

Baez was bumbling the other day about the State not getting back to him on WHY they are seeking the DP. I was wondering if there was a score card on AGG FACTORS. If a minimum were needed. I didn't think so. Because I've seen cases where there were 3, 8, etc. All over the board.

So, Baez was rambling about a whole lotta nothing, IMO. The State doesn't need to get back to him about anything. Caylee was under 12. There!!! That in itself can be a reason, Jose.

I think what the defense is trying to say inartfully is "What changed?" The fact that Caylee was under 12 and died at the hands of the one that was her caregiver, were factors that were known at the time the original decision not to seek the death penalty was made.

If the prosecution is now proceeding on a theory of heinous, attrocious and cruel, (HAC) what factors did the prosecution consider. Is it the tape? the heart sticker? the trash bags? HAC refers to the way the person died not necessarily the manner in which the body is disposed of.

IMO

[Pruddennce]

I agree. She might already be intending to throw them under the bus. Not that she ever cared anyway about them. . .about Cayley. . .about anyone but herself.

IMO, she will be using her mother as an 'excuse'. Casey A could have confessed a 'new story'...but her attorney is not obligated to disclose that UNLESS she gives permission.

that might be the BIG SURPRISE, her defense. an accidental rage 'brought on' by her mother.

I have a difficult time thinking about a defense that simply attacks foresics or 'no video available' of the crime, therefore it could be 'the anyone defense'.......the fact she went out to the video store a few hours later and never called to report an abduction is a very difficult fact to defend.

way too many witnesses to affirm that she was behaving normally and was not the least bit upset. 4 days later she is dancing at fusion. the rest of the month she was busy shopping, tattoo appt, lunching, going out, hanging out with not a care in the world.

and of course, no incoming call from Caylee/nanny on the 15th.

and most importantly, she lied to investigators. also, the first jailhouse call when she was arrested for lying to investigators/obstruction of justice and child endangerment:

that call IMO will show how Casey and her mother were preoccupied with attacking one another than the grave situation of a missing chld. a 'supposed loved one'.

and of special note: what mother would not know the EXACT DATE of when she dropped her child off at a babysitter's place and never saw her child again; she writes in her statement "CAYLEE's DISAPPEARANCE' although she claims she knows who has her......furthering the lie by saying she spent EVERY DAY looking for her child since a specific date, and the date IS WRONG and her activities say otherwise.

she would not look at her parents. they are going to be part of her 'excuse'.

IMO

best regards.
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Lavinia]

These will be her friends for life

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=7&From=list&SessionID=197152598

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveOffenders/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=198063733

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveOffenders/detail.asp?Bookmark=19&From=list&SessionID=198063733

Shoot Sammy, those are just work campers and petty thieves. That's high society where she's going. :laugh:

[Heyes]

Quit posting Heyes, I can't get ahead of your count! :laugh: (It would be tempting to contribute to a cause in the name of Casey,but it will come sure enough.)

LOL I can't stop..... too much to say about these people.

still singing if I only had a brain. lol lol lol

[*MoonRider*]

Unleash those skeletons............. :tongueside:

I'll drink to that. :beer: hiccup........

[Pam1569]

Something to sure think about. The fact theywent back to work looks to me like they said..quick go back to business as usual. Was it they just didn't know how to cover it up so ignore it until they talked to casey? It's all very strange. Anyone else would have called police from the tow yard.

Hi Heyes, Exactly any normal person would have called from the tow yard and I do believe that at that moment they knew that it was Caylee. But it still bothers me that Cindy had to go back to work to be convinced to go back home and find her daughter. And then she only did it to get an explanation from her and not call the police right from work either. It is just mind boggling to see how afraid Cindy and George both are intimidated by OC. :cursing:

[aproudmom]

How does a mother go from dogging out her daughter one minute, to anyone that will listen, to saying she is "Mother of the Year" and we believe everything she says, the next.

The A's have done nothing but CTA. Their defense of KC now is not about KC but about their own butts and maybe for once CA will recognize that her manipulation days with KC are over. They may be keeping the family secret but KC isn't.

look at who your talking about...she does not want her family secrets out it may ruin their image

[Dick Tracy]

I agree. She might already be intending to throw them under the bus. Not that she ever cared anyway about them. . .about Cayley. . .about anyone but herself.

She's aligning everything up to conspire against Cindy. IT"S HER FAULT ALL THIS HAPPENED. SHE'S THE DONE THAT CALLED THE COPS! She's the reason I'm so fault. She'll point her little finger at Cindy and say "IT'S HER FAULT CAYLEE IS DEAD.

The whole courtroom will fall silent. And then there is this noise. It's Cindy unscrewing the top of the water bottle. It sounds like nails on a blackboard. And all hell is about to break loose.

[aproudmom]

I'll drink to that. :beer: hiccup........

Hey can you pass one over to me please:thumbsup:

[jammies]

She's aligning everything up to conspire against Cindy. IT"S HER FAULT ALL THIS HAPPENED. SHE'S THE DONE THAT CALLED THE COPS! She's the reason I'm so fault. She'll point her little finger at Cindy and say "IT'S HER FAULT CAYLEE IS DEAD.

The whole courtroom will fall silent. And then there is this noise. It's Cindy unscrewing the top of the water bottle. It sounds like nails on a blackboard. And all hell is about to break loose.



Which is exactly why Cindy/GA show up at every hearing. They are hoping she will look at them so Cindy can REMIND her not to tell. "I didn't say anything, mom". Cindy is verrry afraid.

[Pruddennce]

One whiff of that car would have a normal person FREAKING. They both knew the smell was decomp yet neither one of them loses their cool. They look in their back yard for a dead Caylee. They go back to work.
Maybe what she really meant in her third 911 call was: My grand-daughter's BODY is missing.

right. (my bold)

secondly, Cindy admitted there was a dead body in the car:

'maybe someone else put a dead body in the car AFTER it was towed to the towyard.'

ADMISSION. of course she knew. she was attempting to make a point there was NO ODOR when it was towed....and nobody noticed the smell at the towyard. so when GA opened it, by gosh, it stunk so maybe a dead body was placed there THEN removed at some point AFTER Casey abandoned the car.

RIGHT. and here we go, the fingerpointing: JESSE has keys to Casey's car. OH PULEEZE. so Jesse is hiding a dead Caylee, knows her car is at Johnson's, puts Caylee in it, she begins to decompose, then he removes her.

RIGHT.

I dont expect anyone to revisit this video, too much hammering, however it is a link to her someone else/dead body in the car statement.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Heyes]

Hi Heyes, Exactly any normal person would have called from the tow yard and I do believe that at that moment they knew that it was Caylee. But it still bothers me that Cindy had to go back to work to be convinced to go back home and find her daughter. And then she only did it to get an explanation from her and not call the police right from work either. It is just mind boggling to see how afraid Cindy and George both are intimidated by OC. :cursing:
Hi Pam, The question is....are they really that afraid of her or are they in this up to their eyeballs and are covering up their own worthless butts??

[Lavinia]

LOL I can't stop..... too much to say about these people.

still singing if I only had a brain. lol lol lol

:laugh: Did anything big and delicious happen at the hearing Thursday?

[Heyes]

:laugh: Did anything big and delicious happen at the hearing Thursday?


Big ? Um yeah. lol
delicious? No not really lol

[Sun]

Good afternoon everyone! So glad to have found all you wonderful folks! I think that Lyon was included on the Defense Team for two reasons. One, the State was forcing Baez's hand about the fact that there was no qualified death penalty attorney on the defense. And, two, to get the death penalty taken back off the table, so that Baez can once again be completely in charge of this case.

Baez used Terrance Lenamon for one purpose early in this case, and that was to get the death penalty taken off the table. He accomplished that purpose, and Baez thought that he then was no longer needed.... so bye bye Lenamon (don't know if I spelled his name right).

[aproudmom]

OK off for awhile got to watch my men go in circles..lol..hope CA does not end up in a Nascar race..heard she was at some race or something last weekend IIRC...she needs to stay clear of my men..:tonguewag:

HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERYONE:wub:

[Pam1569]

Hi Pam, The question is....are they really that afraid of her or are they in this up to their eyeballs and are covering up their own worthless butts??

Heyes, I am sure that Cindy is covering her behind as to when she knew something was amiss (according to her myspace letter from July 3rd) but she still only left it in the family and didn't call LE which makes me think she is intimadated, but George is a different story. I have a feeling that CA and OC have been making him afraid of what they could due to him for years since he is a sponger. jmo

[Lavinia]

Big ? Um yeah. lol
delicious? No not really lol

I did see a pic of Casey if that's what you're talking about. :laugh:

[Heyes]

Heyes, I am sure that Cindy is covering her behind as to when she knew something was amiss (according to her myspace letter from July 3rd) but she still only left it in the family and didn't call LE which makes me think she is intimadated, but George is a different story. I have a feeling that CA and OC have been making him afraid of what they could due to him for years since he is a sponger. jmo

Very possible.Sure was a lot of confusion as to what date that poor baby actually went missing. Who wouldn't know this? What was really going on?
Also I'm curious as to how kidfinders managed to get their loyalty immediatly. Nobody else could get anything out of them. And here we are almost a year later and george is on their payroll. Seems that he will keep at it until he finds something that actually sells. I truly believe he thinks he's going to make a huge living off Caylees blood.
Disgusting.

[Heyes]

I did see a pic of Casey if that's what you're talking about. :laugh:

yup and her entire defense team...... Huge wastes

[Steps]

I'm betting you're right, I think there's a lot of violence in that home. They are trying their best to hide that fact. I think it went the way you said but there is still a part of me that wonders if maybe they knew before the car was found. Or at least suspected. It took cindy 3 calls before she mentioned Caylee. That bothers me to no end.

If Cindy gets on the stand and tried to deny that a fight happened between she and Casey the night that Casey left, the neighbor can be brought on to verify what he had heard coming from that house that night. Also, didn't Lee mention the fight to Tony L? So Cindy will look foolish if she keeps denying it like she has been doing in her interviews.

[Pam1569]

Very possible.Sure was a lot of confustion as to what date that poor baby actually went missing. Who wouldn't know this? What was really going on?
Also I'm curious as to how kidfinders managed to get their loyalty immediatly. Nobody else could get anything out of them. And here we are almost a year later and george is on their payroll. Seems that he will keep at it until he finds something that actually sells. I truly believe he thinks he's going to make a huge living off Caylees blood.
Disgusting.

Heyes, CiA and GA are both going to try to live of off their grandchild for years to come. Which is gravitating as hades. :cursing:

[Scampi]

I believe when this case finally arrives in the courtroom, we will see a defense that purports Caylee died as the result of an accident, more then likely in the pool and that casey, because of her fear of cynthia and emotional shock of Caylee's death, chose to hide and conceal what happened.

The framework for this defense is already in place, with the parents statement of the pool ladder being at the pool and the side gate open.

Tony Lazarro's testimony of casey's "nightmares" can attest to her emotional state.

The heart sticker placement can be twisted to signify casey anthony's final kiss to her daughter.



Oh yes, I see much to work with here for Ms. Lyons in her representation of this babykiller.

One thing I am sure we won't see in this trial, is any mention of zanny the nanny as the culprit.

[Heyes]

If Cindy gets on the stand and tried to deny that a fight happened between she and Casey the night that Casey left, the neighbor can be brought on to verify what he had heard coming from that house that night. Also, didn't Lee mention the fight to Tony L? So Cindy will look foolish if she keeps denying it like she has been doing in her interviews.

Well looks like her plan is to deny. And how dare the jury believe anyone but her.

[Tornado]

I think what the defense is trying to say inartfully is "What changed?" The fact that Caylee was under 12 and died at the hands of the one that was her caregiver, were factors that were known at the time the original decision not to seek the death penalty was made.

If the prosecution is now proceeding on a theory of heinous, attrocious and cruel, (HAC) what factors did the prosecution consider. Is it the tape? the heart sticker? the trash bags? HAC refers to the way the person died not necessarily the manner in which the body is disposed of.

IMO

In your experience do you think that is what put it over the top? The sticker and the tape? Or do you possibly think that there is more with that was found with Caylee that we don't know about yet?

[jammies]

right. (my bold)

secondly, Cindy admitted there was a dead body in the car:

'maybe someone else put a dead body in the car AFTER it was towed to the towyard.'

ADMISSION. of course she knew. she was attempting to make a point there was NO ODOR when it was towed....and nobody noticed the smell at the towyard. so when GA opened it, by gosh, it stunk so maybe a dead body was placed there THEN removed at some point AFTER Casey abandoned the car.

RIGHT. and here we go, the fingerpointing: JESSE has keys to Casey's car. OH PULEEZE. so Jesse is hiding a dead Caylee, knows her car is at Johnson's, puts Caylee in it, she begins to decompose, then he removes her.

RIGHT.

I dont expect anyone to revisit this video, too much hammering, however it is a link to her someone else/dead body in the car statement.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


Watched the video. Gotta love how Cindy schools everyone she comes into contact with. She tells them to "Think about it" 3 different times. She lives in a make believe world where if she declares something, it must be true. The more outrageous scenarios she can come up with, the better she feels. The media even remarks at the end "I think she feels better"! that had me lol'ing!

[Remy]

He seemed to give some info but not enough to really do any damage. My take was that he was trying to play both sides of the fence. Also to see what info he could get out of LE. He tried the good ole boy with the police/fbi but proved that he's in this all the way. Anything to get casey off. I also feel that he grabbed hold of this money making scheme almost from the start. He wants this to work and he's not letting it go. The showing up at Haleighs camp irritated me to no end. His mission seems to be to make money off this nightmare. I just can't respect anyone that does this. Shouldn't his main mission in life be to find the "real killer" of his own grandbaby? It's not...he's just letting LE take care of that. WTH?

Heyes, ITA with your assessment of George and IMO Casey is more like him than Cindy.

He can mimic the proper tone and attitude for a situation just like Casey who has been described as a chameleon.

He never worked and looked for easy money (workman's comp, chairty), Casey never worked and stole.

I have no sympathy for him at all. I think he is very aware of public perception and plays to that and if he can fool people and make it look as though he's Cindy's puppet then so be it imo.

[Lavinia]

You mean the pic where it looked like she was wearing her brother's pants and her blouse barely buttoned?

Let me just say, the girls needed to be lifted and separated. Slopppppyyyyy.

[101Spots]

yup and her entire defense team...... Huge wastes

Or hugh waists, depending on how you want to look at it.

[jammies]

I believe when this case finally arrives in the courtroom, we will see a defense that purports Caylee died as the result of an accident, more then likely in the pool and that casey, because of her fear of cynthia and emotional shock of Caylee's death, chose to hide and conceal what happened.

The framework for this defense is already in place, with the parents statement of the pool ladder being at the pool and the side gate open.

Tony Lazarro's testimony of casey's "nightmares" can attest to her emotional state.

The heart sticker placement can be twisted to signify casey anthony's final kiss to her daughter.



Oh yes, I see much to work with here for Ms. Lyons in her representation of this babykiller.

One thing I am sure we won't see in this trial, is any mention of zanny the nanny as the culprit.


Yep, and I PRAY the pros. brings Zanny up over and over. That and her various stories. Lest anyone on the jury forgets.

[sammy62]

Shoot Sammy, those are just work campers and petty thieves. That's high society where she's going. :laugh:

jeez....I started trembling just posting the pics.:wink:

[*MoonRider*]

I think what the defense is trying to say inartfully is "What changed?" The fact that Caylee was under 12 and died at the hands of the one that was her caregiver, were factors that were known at the time the original decision not to seek the death penalty was made.

If the prosecution is now proceeding on a theory of heinous, attrocious and cruel, (HAC) what factors did the prosecution consider. Is it the tape? the heart sticker? the trash bags? HAC refers to the way the person died not necessarily the manner in which the body is disposed of.

IMO

Bold is mine. Caylee's remains were found is what changed. moo

[Scampi]

Let me just say, the girls needed to be lifted and separated. Slopppppyyyyy.

I think the OC wants "the girls" on display.

[Scampi]

Or hugh waists, depending on how you want to look at it.

:lol: ................

[Tornado]

Caylee's remains had not been found when the DP first was taken off the table. Once they were found, along with certain things found at the crime scene, which we don't know about yet and which caused Dr. G to rule it as a homocide, the DP went back on the table. Add the duct tape across the mouth (and possibly nose too but we don't know that either), the heart shaped sticker, etc. etc. I believe all of this is what put the DP back on the table.

So what do you think that Dr. G and the prosecution have that makes all this a homicide and not an accident?

Don't read me wrong, even though she had duct tape, a sticker and was placed in garbage bags and put in the woods for months that still does not prove to me that it was a homicide. Although heinous, there has to be something else that the prosecution has that Dr. G has that proves it was a homicide.

it is my perception that Dr. G is not going to put her integrity on the line even for Caylee. There has to be something more.

[gaelicpeas]

Whether or not Ms Lyons would attempt to defend based on an accidental death would depend on how she feels about the evidence. Dr. G ruled the death clearly as a homocide. Ms Lyons is going to go use the strategy that has the best chances of getting the DP removed. Usually this is by developing a psyche profile and using that, in conjunction with family upbringing, etc. so she can show that the client was conditioned toward this type of crime due to her early and ongoing family life.

If it is obvious to Ms Lyons, after fully familiarizing herself with the case, that there is ANY doubt as to her client's innocence, she won't attempt to sway a jury into believing it was an accident. A pool ladder and a gate isn't much to go on. JMO, of course.
I have been thinking about what the defense strategy will be also. I think Scampi's thoughts are a definite possibility. The other possibility, IMO, will be some sort of abuse. There are the comments by Tony R about he felt like "the girl" in his, um, relationship with Casey. It made me wonder where she learned that behavior. And then there are the comments in the discovery docs from Casey to Jesse and Tony L about abuse. JMO

[Heyes]

Heyes, ITA with your assessment of George and IMO Casey is more like him than Cindy.

He can mimic the proper tone and attitude for a situation just like Casey who has been described as a chameleon.

He never worked and looked for easy money (workman's comp, chairty), Casey never worked and stole.

I have no sympathy for him at all. I think he is very aware of public perception and plays to that and if he can fool people and make it look as though he's Cindy's puppet then so be it imo.

Yup that's my take on ole george. Noticed a few months ago he was getting all this sympathy and many woman were blaming cindy for george and his part. He noticed it, cindy actually has taken a back seat since then. cindy wasn't helping drum up those donations. His suicide "attempt" was even blamed on cindy and he got even more sympathy. cindy wanted to be a victim and even yapped about her own suicide note writing. All hog wash IMO. He's just a better sales man.I look at him as a opportunist.He's not taking a back seat to cindy, he's focusing on those donations. Daddy wants a new car, IMO

[Lavinia]

I think the OC wants "the girls" on display.

Pretty soon, they'll show if she wears a waist length shirt.

[Lapis]

In your experience do you think that is what put it over the top? The sticker and the tape? Or do you possibly think that there is more with that was found with Caylee that we don't know about yet?

I think the tape was probably the most telling factor. Of course, I cannot possibly know what they have that we have not seen. I look forward to the further release of information.

I believe that a plausable defense can be made that the tape was postmortem. Afterall unless the testing can somehow show that the tape was premortem how does anyone know. I have always felt that the tape was too much like a kidnapping cliche. How many movies have we all seen where the tape is put on the victim, the hero bursts into the room finds the victim and removes the tape?

JMO

[Bala]

Here's a closer shot of poor poor Cindy and George (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseyleavingcourt.jpg)
Almost makes you feel sorry for them. NOT :rolleyes:

I think Casey has convinced herself she's one of the attorneys instead of the defendant.

[Heyes]

Or hugh waists, depending on how you want to look at it.
:wink: yup lol lol lol

[gaelicpeas]

Yup that's my take on ole george. Noticed a few months ago he was getting all this sympathy and many woman were blaming cindy for george and his part. He noticed it, cindy actually has taken a back seat since then. cindy wasn't helping drum up those donations. His suicide "attempt" was even blamed on cindy and he got even more sympathy. cindy wanted to be a victim and even yapped about her own suicide note writing. All hog wash IMO. He's just a better sales man.I look at him as a opportunist.He's not taking a back seat to cindy, he's focusing on those donations. Daddy wants a new car, IMOI think Lee also said that he (Lee) and Cindy were very much alike, giving me the impression that he thought GA and Casey were more alike. I think this was in his civil deposition, but I could be wrong on that.

[Tornado]

ITA, Tornado. There is more. We don't know the specifics of what she found during her exam, coupled with the police report of items found at the scene, that led to her conclusion of homocide. I was asking about this yesterday. It hasn't been made public knowledge yet.

I still think back to the small little smirk on Dr. G's face that day and I do agree there is more. But sitting here today, it is not enough to prove murder.

[Bala]

I think the tape was probably the most telling factor. Of course, I cannot possibly know what they have that we have not seen. I look forward to the further release of information.

I believe that a plausable defense can be made that the tape was postmortem. Afterall unless the testing can somehow show that the tape was premortem how does anyone know. I have always felt that the tape was too much like a kidnapping cliche. How many movies have we all seen where the tape is put on the victim, the hero bursts into the room finds the victim and removes the tape?

JMO

Why put duct tape on your dead baby then add a heart shape sticker. I don't think the jury will care either way.

[ellegna]

I believe when this case finally arrives in the courtroom, we will see a defense that purports Caylee died as the result of an accident, more then likely in the pool and that casey, because of her fear of cynthia and emotional shock of Caylee's death, chose to hide and conceal what happened.

The framework for this defense is already in place, with the parents statement of the pool ladder being at the pool and the side gate open.

Tony Lazarro's testimony of casey's "nightmares" can attest to her emotional state.

The heart sticker placement can be twisted to signify casey anthony's final kiss to her daughter.



Oh yes, I see much to work with here for Ms. Lyons in her representation of this babykiller.

One thing I am sure we won't see in this trial, is any mention of zanny the nanny as the culprit.

No argument the defense may use the accident theory.
If I was a juror I would entertain the possibility Casey hid Caylee's body out of fear of what Cindy may do BUT how is the defense going to explain the duct tape? Casey could very easily have put the heart sticker on Caylee's cheek. :shrug:

[jammies]

No argument the defense may use the accident theory.
If I was a juror I would entertain the possibility Casey hid Caylee's body out of fear of what Cindy may do BUT how is the defense going to explain the duct tape? Casey could very easily have put the heart sticker on Caylee's cheek. :shrug:


How will they explain Casey's behavior AFTER she killed Caylee. She didn't act concerned, worried, afraid, etc. She was simply glad to be free of Caylee, Cindy and George.

[Explorer]

I dont think cindy likes nthe fact that other people like a jury will be in control of her daughters fate.

[Pruddennce]

She's aligning everything up to conspire against Cindy. IT"S HER FAULT ALL THIS HAPPENED. SHE'S THE DONE THAT CALLED THE COPS! She's the reason I'm so fault. She'll point her little finger at Cindy and say "IT'S HER FAULT CAYLEE IS DEAD.

The whole courtroom will fall silent. And then there is this noise. It's Cindy unscrewing the top of the water bottle. It sounds like nails on a blackboard. And all hell is about to break loose.

I agree with you DT.

it ties in with their jailhouse conversation: Casey: 'none of this would be happening if I knew where Caylee was'

what was happening before she was tracked down by her mother?

nothing was happening to her.

"this is happening', being arrested, is because of her mother.

the only reason Casey told Lee that 'she was no longer with her' is because he gave her the scenario of what LE will insist on, once they arrived. however, legally LE couldnt do anything either unless the parents filed something, right? and call in family services?

Initially, I found it interesting she left with her mother. But after being privy somewhat to their relationship, Casey WAS bullied by her mother to be a responsible mother herself......I also feel Cindy was frightened of her because of historical rage, that MAY have involved threats against Caylee....

when they saw the condition of her car, with the carseat still in it and Caylee's backpack, they should have called the police.

the Anthonys chose containment.

Lee Anthony knew on July 3rd that Casey was in the area. He also knew 'what she was up to' because he had access to her ms/facebook pages...he knew she was associated with fusion. she could have been easily tracked down thru that association. he was covering for her.

I find it interesting that not one of her friends, who the family knew firsthand, were contacted. for example, Jesse (who Casey warned not to talk to her parents if they called him), Christina and Brittany. they all had global msg alerts about fusion on their phone.

they were not contacted and asked if they were in contact with Casey nor told they were concerned about Caylee's whereabouts with Casey. CONTAINMENT.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......

[CRRJJ]

One thing I have been wondering about---when Casey put Caylee in the garbage bags and tossed her in the woods, why would she not bury her instead, UNLESS she was hoping her parents would put on a pretense of caring and go out and look for Caylee, and that THEY would be the ones to find the remains. (because she put her so close to their own home) Oh my, my mind is in high gear and it's becoming haywire just trying to figure out this sick, sick family. in case you wonder, I am NOT a PI. Obviously.

[gaelicpeas]

One thing to consider about the accidental death defense is that there would need to be a confession by someone. If a baby dies accidentally, who is held accountable? Not SODDIT. Without Casey getting up on the stand and testifying, I don't think the jury would buy an accidental death. If AL can get Casey to talk, there might be a possibility. But if things go as they are, with Casey refusing to acknowledge any involvement in it, the jury would be scratching their heads at the thought of an accidental death. They would be thinking why, if it was an accident, is Casey still saying she has no idea what happened to Caylee. I really believe without Caylee's admission, there would be no chance of an accidental death defense.True. There could also be a plea deal... although even with that, I think Casey has to admit her role.

[Tornado]

Before I forget, in the Fathers day video of Caylee where she is singing her song, does anyone else hear Caylee say "please don't take my NAN away" ? or do you hear Gran?

I often wonder if this was Caylees name for CA- Nan or Nanny and the OC was ,at one point, going to pin this on CA.

[Heyes]

I think Lee also said that he (Lee) and Cindy were very much alike, giving me the impression that he thought GA and Casey were more alike. I think this was in his civil deposition, but I could be wrong on that.

Youre right, I remember that!
He must think he and his mom are brilliant andhave minds like steel traps. I would imagine dad and caseys simularities are mooching, lying, laziness.
just imo

[jammies]

One thing I have been wondering about---when Casey put Caylee in the garbage bags and tossed her in the woods, why would she not bury her instead, UNLESS she was hoping her parents would put on a pretense of caring and go out and look for Caylee, and that THEY would be the ones to find the remains. (because she put her so close to their own home) Oh my, my mind is in high gear and it's becoming haywire just trying to figure out this sick, sick family. in case you wonder, I am NOT a PI. Obviously.


She didn't bury her because she's lazy. I don't think she thought ahead....ever. She was a moment to moment kinda gal.

[Dick Tracy]

So what do you think that Dr. G and the prosecution have that makes all this a homicide and not an accident?

Don't read me wrong, even though she had duct tape, a sticker and was placed in garbage bags and put in the woods for months that still does not prove to me that it was a homicide. Although heinous, there has to be something else that the prosecution has that Dr. G has that proves it was a homicide.

it is my perception that Dr. G is not going to put her integrity on the line even for Caylee. There has to be something more.

The state has something more. What is it? Don't know. But Dr. G I'm sure told it like it was. There was something there that she's basing her professional medical decision on. We already know she was in the car, decomposing. I'm not sure that the entire report has been released, has it ?

[Tornado]

One thing I have been wondering about---when Casey put Caylee in the garbage bags and tossed her in the woods, why would she not bury her instead, UNLESS she was hoping her parents would put on a pretense of caring and go out and look for Caylee, and that THEY would be the ones to find the remains. (because she put her so close to their own home) Oh my, my mind is in high gear and it's becoming haywire just trying to figure out this sick, sick family. in case you wonder, I am NOT a PI. Obviously.

In June/July the landscape in that area is so different than it is in December. I think that when Caylee was first put out there she did bury her a bit. The hurricane and water was a factor. The landscape dying in the winter here was another. When she was first placed there she would have been well hidden but six months later , it became a completely different area and Caylee was exposed.

[Imperfect4]

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Where does the negotiation come into play when she's already claiming her client is innocent? Of course she's not read much about the case yet. That didn't stop her from towing the innocent line. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

ITA. I can't for the life of me figure why Lyon would stand on the courthouse steps, call Casey "innocent," and cast aspersions on the prosecution's motives.

cred·i·bil·i·ty (krd-bl-t)
n.
1. The quality, capability, or power to elicit belief: "America's credibility must not be squandered, especially by its leaders" Henry A. Kissinger.
2. A capacity for belief: a story that strained our credibility.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/credibility

[CRRJJ]

One thing to consider about the accidental death defense is that there would need to be a confession by someone. If a baby dies accidentally, who is held accountable? Not SODDIT. Without Casey getting up on the stand and testifying, I don't think the jury would buy an accidental death. If AL can get Casey to talk, there might be a possibility. But if things go as they are, with Casey refusing to acknowledge any involvement in it, the jury would be scratching their heads at the thought of an accidental death. They would be thinking why, if it was an accident, is Casey still saying she has no idea what happened to Caylee. I really believe without Caylee's admission, there would be no chance of an accidental death defense.

You know even if Casey shouted it from the rooftopsI don't see how in the world they could ever claim the death was accidental. They would maybe have a chance if it weren't for the duct tape. But we all know the duct tape was a deliberate way to murder the little angel. pure and simple. Cut off her air, stand above her and watch her struggle. how can anyone argue otherwise? It was an act that speaks mountains, in my opinion. Only a horrible, horrible monster would be capable of doing such a despicable thing.

[Heyes]

I dont think cindy likes nthe fact that other people like a jury will be in control of her daughters fate.

Heavens no! Cindy will do the judging around here, thank you very much. The jurors will only be seen as parasites that will be suckered by the media. After she gets off the stand, she will also complain that she never got a chance to speak, they only asked stupid questions. If she could only get a chance to speak, her truth could be heard! Then you'll all see that casey is the mother of the year.
The truth will come out on appeal.


George, call ABC, I'm craving crab puffs.




Caylee who?

[kingfish]

Hi
I'm new on here. I've really enjoyed reading your input on the case.
I have a few things that puzzle me.
1. When the baby was found, the first words out of A"s att. BC was,
The A's will speak if they get amunity. (not a quote)
So what DO they know??

2. On the LKL show, when they asked SinD about something that SinD had said to the detectives, att. BC said, all that has since gone away. This is what we are saying now. (not a quote)

So the story changed.

Anyone remember any of it??

thanks

[Lavinia]

:seeya: Lavinia, welcome back! Family OK?

Thanks Sweet Pea! Present and accounted for! :patriot:

[CRRJJ]

In June/July the landscape in that area is so different than it is in December. I think that when Caylee was first put out there she did bury her a bit. The hurricane and water was a factor. The landscape dying in the winter here was another. When she was first placed there she would have been well hidden but six months later , it became a completely different area and Caylee was exposed.

Tornado, thanks for the clarification. Being from Iowa I'm not used to a change in the environment like that.
Couldn't agree with you more about God still being in charge--and always will be. (are you listening A's?)

[Barbara fl.]

Heavens no! Cindy will do the judging around here, thank you very much. The jurors will only be seen as parasites that will be suckered by the media. After she gets off the stand, she will also complain that she never got a chance to speak, they only asked stupid questions. If she could only get a chance to speak, her truth could be heard! Then you'll all see that casey is the mother of the year.
The truth will come out on appeal.


George, call ABC, I'm craving crab puffs.




Caylee who?


Good Afternoon all,

Heyes, you certainy got Cindy's number......:laugh:

[Sandy001]

see I just go by the trials I have watched and I knew when I went to the trial for 2 teens killed by a drunk they told us no emotion at all and that was in Indiana so maybe it is different in some courts I just wondered since it is being brought up so much Juries may not interpret the tears as real either. I have to wonder if Ms. Lyon cried when she read the affadavit about an innocent man being in prison.

[Scampi]

Whether or not Ms Lyons would attempt to defend based on an accidental death would depend on how she feels about the evidence. Dr. G ruled the death clearly as a homocide. Ms Lyons is going to go use the strategy that has the best chances of getting the DP removed. Usually this is by developing a psyche profile and using that, in conjunction with family upbringing, etc. so she can show that the client was conditioned toward this type of crime due to her early and ongoing family life.

If it is obvious to Ms Lyons, after fully familiarizing herself with the case, that there is ANY doubt as to her client's innocence, she won't attempt to sway a jury into believing it was an accident. A pool ladder and a gate isn't much to go on. JMO, of course.


I could not respectively disagree with you more Tala.

I think Andrea Lyon will take all the facts that we know to date and put her defense slant on them to point to an accident. In this endeavor she will have the anthonys complete cooperation, in that they will miraculously recall other incidents where poor casey hid something she had done, because she feared parental wrath.

If not an accidental death, what else does Lyon have? The some other dude did it defense won't fly, imo.

[Bala]

Its easy for me to feel sorry for G&C and Lee. Casey dragged them into this mess. Yes the depo made me dislike them. But they would be like any other dysfunctional family if Casey would have had these same empathetic feelings for Caylee, and her family.

Believe me....they have acted terrible. I sent my letters off to LK and Oprah etc. They need to stay home and not have interviews. But they still get my sympathy. But I'm a soft touch. We had a baby bird get killed in our backyard yesterday. Made me tear up. Probably more than any of the Anthony's have done for Caylee.

I would have felt for them had they tried to get a new law of some kind past in Caylee's name like how grandparents can step in and take custody of their at risk grandchildren but not this make money scheme They could try getting a law past to force children like Casey into counseling without having to have them arrested which is hard for a parent to do.

[Heyes]

I agree with you DT.

it ties in with their jailhouse conversation: Casey: 'none of this would be happening if I knew where Caylee was'

what was happening before she was tracked down by her mother?

nothing was happening to her.

"this is happening', being arrested, is because of her mother.

the only reason Casey told Lee that 'she was no longer with her' is because he gave her the scenario of what LE will insist on, once they arrived. however, legally LE couldnt do anything either unless the parents filed something, right? and call in family services?

Initially, I found it interesting she left with her mother. But after being privy somewhat to their relationship, Casey WAS bullied by her mother to be a responsible mother herself......I also feel Cindy was frightened of her because of historical rage, that MAY have involved threats against Caylee....

when they saw the condition of her car, with the carseat still in it and Caylee's backpack, they should have called the police.

the Anthonys chose containment.

Lee Anthony knew on July 3rd that Casey was in the area. He also knew 'what she was up to' because he had access to her ms/facebook pages...he knew she was associated with fusion. she could have been easily tracked down thru that association. he was covering for her.

I find it interesting that not one of her friends, who the family knew firsthand, were contacted. for example, Jesse (who Casey warned not to talk to her parents if they called him), Christina and Brittany. they all had global msg alerts about fusion on their phone.

they were not contacted and asked if they were in contact with Casey nor told they were concerned about Caylee's whereabouts with Casey. CONTAINMENT.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......

Exactly!
Containment
Perfect!
Great post!
They crossed the line.
I think in this case these parents crossed the line.
About an hour after casey gets the guilty verdict, I'd like to see the anthony's have charges filed against them.

[Barbara fl.]

I dont think cindy likes nthe fact that other people like a jury will be in control of her daughters fate.




Good point Explorer, Cindy must be in control...this is going to kill her...

[Sandy001]

I think she was doing what most defense attorneys do - try and skew public perception. AL seems like she could be a snarling tiger if need be. Staunchly against the DP - it has become her mission in life.

However, I thought her none too bright when, after declaring Casey's innocence, she then commented how she had to learn the case.
:confused: I agree. She really put her foot in her mouth when she said that.

[Barbara fl.]

How will they explain Casey's behavior AFTER she killed Caylee. She didn't act concerned, worried, afraid, etc. She was simply glad to be free of Caylee, Cindy and George.

Your right, she will never be able to explain anything she did after the fact....


This defense team is in for an uphill battle all the way....I'm sure some of them already are sorry they got involved with this case.....

[Sandy001]

Exactly!
Containment
Perfect!
Great post!
They crossed the line.
I think in this case these parents crossed the line.
About an hour after casey gets the guilty verdict, I'd like to see the anthony's have charges filed against them.

There's no doubt in my mind that Cindy's goal from day one has been to obstruct justice. However, I do not think they will charge her. Prosecutors have a tenedency to take pity on the families of the accused and NOT pursue obstruction charges.


You have to LOVE how Cindy pulled the "grieving granedparent" card whenever asked any tough questions.

[Sandy001]

In June/July the landscape in that area is so different than it is in December. I think that when Caylee was first put out there she did bury her a bit. The hurricane and water was a factor. The landscape dying in the winter here was another. When she was first placed there she would have been well hidden but six months later , it became a completely different area and Caylee was exposed.

Excellent point. Even KRonk said the bag was partially int he water when he saw it in August. Shortly after that Hurricane Fay came through. I have to wonder if KC hoped the bag would go away with the water.

[Heyes]

There's no doubt in my mind that Cindy's goal from day one has been to obstruct justice. However, I do not think they will charge her. Prosecutors have a tenedency to take pity on the families of the accused and NOT pursue obstruction charges.


You have to LOVE how Cindy pulled the "grieving granedparent" card whenever asked any tough questions.

Ya know, It just occured to me, I think I've heard casey and cindy say the word "media" many more times than I ever heard them say Caylee.

[Barbara fl.]

I could not respectively disagree with you more Tala.

I think Andrea Lyon will take all the facts that we know to date and put her defense slant on them to point to an accident. In this endeavor she will have the anthonys complete cooperation, in that they will miraculously recall other incidents where poor casey hid something she had done, because she feared parental wrath.

If not an accidental death, what else does Lyon have? The some other dude did it defense won't fly, imo.

I have to disagree with the accident defense...there is no way that they will be able to say accident without Casey taking the stand...and that would be like sticking the needle in right then and there...They will not be able to use the accident theory....Baez has already said in open court that they are not trying to say that this was an accident....that told all right then...They are going to go with "someone else did ii" and framed Casey...
I believe they are goin to follow in Garogos' steps....but we all saw where that got Scott.....:thumbsup:

They wont have to prove who did it they will just throw it out there in hope that one juror will consider it nd bring in a hung jury.....In a case like this, these high profile attornies are not looking for a complete win....a hung jury IS a win for them....and then after that Casey will be on her own for a retrial.....

[farrahrani]

IIRC, when she tried to dig in the back yard, she discovered the ground was too hard.

JMO

There was a theory by another poster, which I agreed with, that when she first tried to hide Caylee, she laid her near the playhouse and could not dig for the ground being hard. That is why the dogs hit on that spot.

And then she finally took her to the that place in the woods and dumped her, maybe hoping to return later to bury her better.

It is entirely possible that she had scratched out a shallow grave, or tried to conceal her better, but with the storms and hurricane everything was disturbed.

[Sandy001]

:smile: Hi Scampi. You might be on to something there. I can see it playing out this way but only if AL can get Casey to talk.

JB is one kind of creature, AL is another. I am hoping that if AL is privately convinced, based on all the evidence, that Casey did murder her daughter, she will fight to keep the DP off the table but will also want justice for Caylee. IMO, AL's main goal is to ensure her clients are not put to death. She will go with whatever strategy will best ensure that outcome. If she can get Casey to talk, then she could go the accidental death angle. So yeah, I can see that. I agree with that but I don't see Casey OR Cindy settling for less than a totally innocent verdict.

[Barbara fl.]

Ya know, It just occured to me, I think I've heard casey and cindy say the word "media" many more times than I ever heard them say Caylee.



You have just brought tears to my eyes....it seems that this whole family have just forgotten about that beautiul little girl.....
One day when thi is all over with, it may hit them....and I hope when it does that it hits them hard.....

[Imperfect4]

IMO, she was just talking out of her azz like all defense attorneys do when referring to their case in public. In the same breath she spoke about how she had to learn the case. No intelligent person is going to believe claims of innocense from a new attorney who hasn't learned the case yet. I think she mis-spoke on that one. My ears picked up on that one immediately.

Morning, Tal. I've seen your opinion repeated by many posters here, and I guess my question is ... when did the words people speak become unimportant? What happened to, "you have my word"?? How about that saying, "My word is my bond"??? When did it become perfectly okay -- acceptable -- even expected -- to say things you know to be false, especially when you're a well-respected, presumably morally grounded attorney?

I must've been napping. :mad:

[Heyes]

You have just brought tears to my eyes....it seems that this whole family have just forgotten about that beautiul little girl.....
One day when thi is all over with, it may hit them....and I hope when it does that it hits them hard.....

Me too

but

cuffs would be nice.

[Sandy001]

I have to wonder how Cindy will explain away her conflicting statements. The big one that she said in her depo to Morgan about always knowing where Caylee was - she was with her mother, yet telling the police that when she asked Casey to talk to Caylee, Caylee was always with the BABYSITTER in the theme park or at the beach. Both statements I believe were made under oath. They also have totally DIFFERENT meanings. How can the child be "with her mother" when the mother says she is "with the sitter (nanny)." They are totally opposite.

[Dick Tracy]

After Casey had narrated her unbelievable story to LE, and stated that ZFG had disconnected her telephone, and basically moved out of Sawgrass apartments in four hours, she then goes to say that she's following a script, given to her by Zanny. Zanny told her to say this. Or say that. When was Zanny managing to pass messages to TOT MOM, about what to say and do? With smoke signals?

[Heyes]

Morning, Tal. I've seen your opinion repeated by many posters here, and I guess my question is ... when did the words people speak become unimportant? What happened to, "you have my word"?? How about that saying, "My word is my bond"??? When did it become perfectly okay -- acceptable -- even expected -- to say things you know to be false, especially when you're a well-respected, presumably morally grounded attorney?

I must've been napping. :mad:

Makes two of us!
Well said.

[bchand]

I have to disagree with the accident defense...there is no way that they will be able to say accident without Casey taking the stand...and that would be like sticking the needle in right then and there...They will not be able to use the accident theory....Baez has already said in open court that they are not trying to say that this was an accident....that told all right then...They are going to go with "someone else did ii" and framed Casey...
I believe they are goin to follow in Garogos' steps....but we all saw where that got Scott.....:thumbsup:

They wont have to prove who did it they will just throw it out there in hope that one juror will consider it nd bring in a hung jury.....In a case like this, these high profile attornies are not looking for a complete win....a hung jury IS a win for them....and then after that Casey will be on her own for a retrial.....

I agree with you Barb. Both Baez and Lyon have said she's "innocent". Not "innocent until proven guilty." I believe they'll be blaming someone else period. Shades of Entwistle's attorney saying Rachel killed herself and the baby.

I hope the jury finds it as disgusting as I do.

[Tornado]

Tornado, thanks for the clarification. Being from Iowa I'm not used to a change in the environment like that.
Couldn't agree with you more about God still being in charge--and always will be. (are you listening A's?)

I live here and to be honest, it was not until I seen videos of the drastic change in landscape from July to December that it became so clear to me.

CA can throw that religion card out there all she wants, Mrs. Anthony and faith are strangers, as far as I am concerned.

[Sandy001]

Which, as we know, ain't gonna happen. AL has her work cut out for her. I believe if anyone can get through to Casey about the gravity of the situation she is in, it is AL. If not, then she might actually be put to death.
I do not think AL will pull any punches with Casey; however, Casey is used to manipulating people and disregarding anything told to her. If Casey will not go for the "accidental death" scenario, then she will wind up like Scott Peterson, who also claimed total innocence all along. Also, there will have to be something referring to a possible accident in the testimony for the jury to vote that way. The "mother of the year" would NEVER have an accident.

[Imperfect4]

How does a mother go from dogging out her daughter one minute, to anyone that will listen, to saying she is "Mother of the Year" and we believe everything she says, the next.

The A's have done nothing but CTA. Their defense of KC now is not about KC but about their own butts and maybe for once CA will recognize that her manipulation days with KC are over. They may be keeping the family secret but KC isn't.

Bolding mine. Imagine growing up with that sort of mixed message and confusion. Imagine growing up with a mother who was incapable of putting your interests first, even though as her defenseless child, you were completely vulnerable to her every narcissistic whim. Not a good setup for healthy adulthood. Ms. Lyon has a LOT to work with, imo.

[really3997]

right. (my bold)

secondly, Cindy admitted there was a dead body in the car:

'maybe someone else put a dead body in the car AFTER it was towed to the towyard.'

ADMISSION. of course she knew. she was attempting to make a point there was NO ODOR when it was towed....and nobody noticed the smell at the towyard. so when GA opened it, by gosh, it stunk so maybe a dead body was placed there THEN removed at some point AFTER Casey abandoned the car.

RIGHT. and here we go, the fingerpointing: JESSE has keys to Casey's car. OH PULEEZE. so Jesse is hiding a dead Caylee, knows her car is at Johnson's, puts Caylee in it, she begins to decompose, then he removes her.

RIGHT.

I dont expect anyone to revisit this video, too much hammering, however it is a link to her someone else/dead body in the car statement.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Great post I agree and thank you again for this video, This is the day Cindy realized the full impact of the sunshine law..It was great to watch

[sammy62]

I would have felt for them had they tried to get a new law of some kind past in Caylee's name like how grandparents can step in and take custody of their at risk grandchildren but not this make money scheme They could try getting a law past to force children like Casey into counseling without having to have them arrested which is hard for a parent to do.

I hear what your saying....but even if C&G would have gotten custody....OC could still have killed Caylee. She did it for revenge.

[Pruddennce]

Excellent point. Even KRonk said the bag was partially int he water when he saw it in August. Shortly after that Hurricane Fay came through. I have to wonder if KC hoped the bag would go away with the water.

IMO Sandy, Casey had no expectation, other than one moment in time: Caylee is wrapped up, disposed of, and no longer in her vehicle.

I truly feel the day she ran out of gas in her neighborhood and called Tony and broke into the shed, is the day she went back to see if the bag could be seen from the road. (my thought is she disposed of her at nite).

I believe she disposed of her one of the days she snuck back into her parents' home. she had at least 3 opportunities that week to take garbage bags and the clothes bag: neighbor Burner saw her vehicle 3 times from the 17th on, backed into the garage, once personally (the shovel) and a fourth time, didnt see her personally, but saw Tony's vehicle and heard her voice (gas cans).

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[sunstar]

One thing to consider about the accidental death defense is that there would need to be a confession by someone. If a baby dies accidentally, who is held accountable? Not SODDIT. Without Casey getting up on the stand and testifying, I don't think the jury would buy an accidental death. If AL can get Casey to talk, there might be a possibility. But if things go as they are, with Casey refusing to acknowledge any involvement in it, the jury would be scratching their heads at the thought of an accidental death. They would be thinking why, if it was an accident, is Casey still saying she has no idea what happened to Caylee. I really believe without Caylee's admission, there would be no chance of an accidental death defense.

Good afternoon! :seeya: I agree and believe Casey would either have to admit to Caylee's death before trial and plead to LWOP or testify at trial and go through the explanation that she was afraid of her mother's reaction if she found out Caylee had died at her hand, even though accidental. One big problem though is Casey's behavior afterward and somebody who had accidentally killed their child wouldn't be out continually partying and not show any signs of grief or sadness. I don't think it would work. MOO

[Tornado]

Bolding mine. Imagine growing up with that sort of mixed message and confusion. Imagine growing up with a mother who was incapable of putting your interests first, even though as her defenseless child, you were completely vulnerable to her every narcissistic whim. Not a good setup for healthy adulthood. Ms. Lyon has a LOT to work with, imo.

In reading your reply three times, I am not sure if you are describing Casey or Caylee. IA, Lyons has alot to work with and I can see this heading down a mental defense road.

Although I am convinced that KC is a monster, I am not convinced that she is the only one in this family.

[sunstar]

I agree with you Barb. Both Baez and Lyon have said she's "innocent". Not "innocent until proven guilty." I believe they'll be blaming someone else period. Shades of Entwistle's attorney saying Rachel killed herself and the baby.

I hope the jury finds it as disgusting as I do.

They've made it clear and continue to do so that Casey is innocent ~ but even though they haven't said "until proven guilty" ~ could the hidden meaning be innocent of "murder"? I really wouldn't put it past the defense to throw anything and everything at the jury with the hope that they won't sentence her to death. MOO

[kOOkie1]

I have to wonder how Cindy will explain away her conflicting statements. The big one that she said in her depo to Morgan about always knowing where Caylee was - she was with her mother, yet telling the police that when she asked Casey to talk to Caylee, Caylee was always with the BABYSITTER in the theme park or at the beach. Both statements I believe were made under oath. They also have totally DIFFERENT meanings. How can the child be "with her mother" when the mother says she is "with the sitter (nanny)." They are totally opposite.

I dont know either Sandy. Cindy is going to have an aweful time on the stand in trial. She messed up big time with not only statements to LE ,but ,all her media appearances in the yard and on t.v. Seems like it will come back and bite her in the a**!! She is her own worst enemy just like her daughter-
(interesting when listening to this at about 3:17 when Cindy is asked "what promted you to call the police"..cindy gets ready to say.."I could smell.." but changes it real quick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH0T9u8UsFY

[Imperfect4]

I believe when this case finally arrives in the courtroom, we will see a defense that purports Caylee died as the result of an accident, more then likely in the pool and that casey, because of her fear of cynthia and emotional shock of Caylee's death, chose to hide and conceal what happened.

The framework for this defense is already in place, with the parents statement of the pool ladder being at the pool and the side gate open.

Tony Lazarro's testimony of casey's "nightmares" can attest to her emotional state.

The heart sticker placement can be twisted to signify casey anthony's final kiss to her daughter.



Oh yes, I see much to work with here for Ms. Lyons in her representation of this babykiller.

One thing I am sure we won't see in this trial, is any mention of zanny the nanny as the culprit.

... tagging on. Perhaps the defense will mention the nanny, but only to show how poor, frightened, traumatized Casey created a false person to blame rather than blame anyone real. When you contrast that with Cindy's direct aim at Jesse, and indirect aim at Amy, the OC could look even a bit more sympathetic.

[Pruddennce]

After Casey had narrated her unbelievable story to LE, and stated that ZFG had disconnected her telephone, and basically moved out of Sawgrass apartments in four hours, she then goes to say that she's following a script, given to her by Zanny. Zanny told her to say this. Or say that. When was Zanny managing to pass messages to TOT MOM, about what to say and do? With smoke signals?

yes, smoke signals. lol :D

right, she had no contact with Z other than JUNE 12 (bogus date) to say she was dropping Caylee off....*one brief conversation in the morning*, then another call from Z on July 15, however, Caylee was on the other end of the line talking about her book and shoes.

also, notably, her comment about her emails ALL BOUNCING BACK.

right. smoke signals.

but oops.....DT! she told another version, but not to LE, only to Lee and her parents: BLANCHARD PARK and how she was 'being taught a lesson'......the arm twisting in a public place while her daughter is led away by Z's sister or gf, jeez I forget which...such a traumatic event, falling to the ground, no weapons....

therefore that might have been the time she was given instructions: *DO AS I SAY* <--I cant believe Im typing that, its so incredulous to entertain her second story.....:D

but she had no other alternative to backtrack on 'no contact' as she wrote in her official police statement....Junior PI Lee most assuredly grilled her, so she had to tell another story.

which is why the Anthonys became furious that LE wasnt chewing and swallowing Casey's every word....she already lied, they were done with her AND were done with Cindy's obstruction. *Cindy's voicemail....already setting up a new 'what if': if something happened to Caylee, Casey had help*

as if that diminishes her involvement. gawd.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[sunstar]

ITA. And what about the lack of remorse? Casey has shown no feeling for having lost her daughter. Never mentions her either. All of her speech is about herself, how her life has been taken from her, everything has been taken. . .

What especially sticks in my mind is when LE picks her up on the murder charge and she's sitting there in the interrogation room chatting away with the detectives, laughing, and talking about everything but why she's there. I can tell you if anyone around me died accidentally and I was charged with their murder I sure wouldn't be acting like she was and I'd be absolutely terrified :scared: of being locked up in jail!! MOO

[taylor63]

You know I was just wondering something last night,while everyone is waiting to see if the video of Casey's panicked reaction to Caylee's remains being found in December is released. I am just curious if the prosecution has jail surveillance of Casey non reaction when some supposed remains and toys,which people thought might be Caylee, were found in a bag at that lake or pond at Blanchard? Park. I wonder if they will show those 2 videos and compare them at trial,and use this to prove she knew all along where Caylee's little body was because she was the one who murdered her.

[Pruddennce]

I dont know either Sandy. Cindy is going to have an aweful time on the stand in trial. She messed up big time with not only statements to LE ,but ,all her media appearances in the yard and on t.v. Seems like it will come back and bite her in the a**!! She is her own worst enemy just like her daughter-
(interesting when listening to this at about 3:17 when Cindy is asked "what promted you to call the police"..cindy gets ready to say.."I could smell.." but changes it real quick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH0T9u8UsFY

HA! thanks for the link. yes, she almost slipped. but then we have: "casey thanked her after she made the first 911 call", because: 'it was something Casey COULDNT DO, which was go to the police'.

LOL LOL LOL......Casey looks up to Cindy.

isnt Cindy valiant, Casey's hero?

GMAB.

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[taylor63]

Oh, SunStar, I was completely disturbed by that. I watched it in disbelief. She was flirting and chatting up the cops, making jokes, etc. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Then we get to watch her alone in the room fidgeting, adjusting her clothing over and over, smoothing her hair over and over, checking out her hands, fidgeting some more, looking around for cameras, standing up and doing something with the back of her pants, etc. What a piece of work.

I think there's a real sickness and neurosis that runs deep in that family. Obviously,Casey is the worst because she is the one who murdered her baby. But the parents and the other older child Lee is pretty strange and scary himself to say the least. I still can't get over how he laughed during the civil depositions. I mean here is a man whose little niece was murdered,and whose dad tried to commit suicide, and whose younger sister is facing the possibility of life in prison or the death penalty, and this all happened in the past year, and yet he can sit there and laugh? It's just boggles my mind how he could do that. Seriously if even one of those tragic,horrible things had happpened to me I would be so griefstricken it would be hard for me to even get out of bed.

[kOOkie1]

HA! thanks for the link. yes, she almost slipped. but then we have: "casey thanked her after she made the first 911 call", because: 'it was something Casey COULDNT DO, which was go to the police'.

LOL LOL LOL......Casey looks up to Cindy.

isnt Cindy valiant, Casey's hero?

GMAB.

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

LOL Pru:tongueside: they are something! Casey sure didnt waste any time calling 911 when her Parents were outside with the protesters that night demaning police to show up!!! remember that?? yikes

[Imperfect4]

I could not respectively disagree with you more Tala.

I think Andrea Lyon will take all the facts that we know to date and put her defense slant on them to point to an accident. In this endeavor she will have the anthonys complete cooperation, in that they will miraculously recall other incidents where poor casey hid something she had done, because she feared parental wrath.

If not an accidental death, what else does Lyon have? The some other dude did it defense won't fly, imo.

I agree, Scamp. It's either going to be accidental, or a psyche story involving a Casey so damaged by her upbringing that after the fight on June 15th, she was so enraged at her mother she saw her mother's face in Caylee, and Caylee was dead before her mind cleared and she realized it was her daughter before her and not her mother.

The way the OC behaved after Caylee's murder will also be explained from a psyche perspective, imo.

I hope the pros is lining up some high caliber psyche professionals of their own to dispute what is surely coming down the pike.

[Imperfect4]

I would have felt for them had they tried to get a new law of some kind past in Caylee's name like how grandparents can step in and take custody of their at risk grandchildren but not this make money scheme They could try getting a law past to force children like Casey into counseling without having to have them arrested which is hard for a parent to do.

I completely agree with you, Bala.

[Kathlb]

Hi Everyone...
Boy, this board is dead today and not much being said.
This thread is a little more busy. Why wouldn't it be, y'all are discussing little Caylee.
On another note. I hope AL can get something thru Casey's head but it has been a very long time and many many months since this all came down. I hope she keeps Casey away from Baez while she's trying to talk to Casey. It seems that Baez loves the fact that this case has so many twists and turns for his own benefit. I'm wondering if he even has a defense plan in the works since Casey has allegedly not even talked to Baez. You can tell when he's around the news media he really gets off on it. Watching him a few days ago after the hearing, he almost pee'd his pants in front of the camera's with a sly little boy grin. Does Baez really know what the heck he's getting himself into or does he really care. :sneaky:

JMO

Bolding is mine... Unfortunately, I have no doubt that Casey will do to AL what she does to everyone else in the world and that's present a mirrored visage. Whatever AL says she will agree with wholeheartedly until AL is out of the door. Then it's out of Casey's mind and back to what she wants. :thumbdown:

[Pretty Leaf]

http://wdbo.com/news/caseyanthony/andrea_lyon_bio.html

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"She has tried over 130 homicide cases, both while with the Public Defender’s office and since. She has defended over 30 potential capital cases at the trial level and has taken 19 through penalty phase; she has won all 19."


Lyons track record is not it has been made up to be by some


tried 130 homicide cases...but how many did she actually win?
tried 30 capital cases.......how many did she win? 11?
19 cases DP..won 19 but what did the perps actually get? LWOP?

So does she have a perfect track record for the 19, where they have all been DP and Lyons got them LWOP. As these were penalty phase they have already been convicted. So is it a win getting them LWOP not DP?

She stated IIRC that she would be preparing briefs were it would be stated loudly and boldly that this is not a DP case. So are her services required if the charge is downgraded to LWOP. Can the pros even do that at this point?

[Scampi]

Good afternoon! :seeya: I agree and believe Casey would either have to admit to Caylee's death before trial and plead to LWOP or testify at trial and go through the explanation that she was afraid of her mother's reaction if she found out Caylee had died at her hand, even though accidental. One big problem though is Casey's behavior afterward and somebody who had accidentally killed their child wouldn't be out continually partying and not show any signs of grief or sadness. I don't think it would work. MOO

That is where the expert witness who specializes in psychiatric conditions as the result of extreme emotional upset will come in and explain all of the OC's inappropriate behavior to the jury.

Please understand that I don't think any of this will work, but I do believe that this is where Lyon is heading.

[Steps]

I do not think AL will pull any punches with Casey; however, Casey is used to manipulating people and disregarding anything told to her. If Casey will not go for the "accidental death" scenario, then she will wind up like Scott Peterson, who also claimed total innocence all along. Also, there will have to be something referring to a possible accident in the testimony for the jury to vote that way. The "mother of the year" would NEVER have an accident.

The only one who could testify on the stand to an accident would have to be Casey. The defense knows that no way can they put her on. The pros would have her on the stand on cross for weeks. No way they can go with accident for that reason. MOO of course

[Scampi]

I agree, Scamp. It's either going to be accidental, or a psyche story involving a Casey so damaged by her upbringing that after the fight on June 15th, she was so enraged at her mother she saw her mother's face in Caylee, and Caylee was dead before her mind cleared and she realized it was her daughter before her and not her mother.

The way the OC behaved after Caylee's murder will also be explained from a psyche perspective, imo.

I hope the pros is lining up some high caliber psyche professionals of their own to dispute what is surely coming down the pike.


Hiya Imp!! We are on the same page. Of course all this hinges on the OC being smart enough to listen to Lyon, if she doesn't and insists on the "I am totally innocent and zanny the nanny did it" nonsense, she is a dead odious creature walking, imo.

[Imperfect4]

In reading your reply three times, I am not sure if you are describing Casey or Caylee. IA, Lyons has alot to work with and I can see this heading down a mental defense road.

Although I am convinced that KC is a monster, I am not convinced that she is the only one in this family.

I was describing Casey. It would have also described Caylee, imo, if she'd had a chance to grow up.

[sunstar]

Oh, SunStar, I was completely disturbed by that. I watched it in disbelief. She was flirting and chatting up the cops, making jokes, etc. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Then we get to watch her alone in the room fidgeting, adjusting her clothing over and over, smoothing her hair over and over, checking out her hands, fidgeting some more, looking around for cameras, standing up and doing something with the back of her pants, etc. What a piece of work.

No crying, no emotion, and matter of factly saying she'd expected to be arrested for murder ever since her first interview with LE . It's almost like she wanted to go back to jail. Totally unbelievable! MOO

[Pruddennce]

http://wdbo.com/news/caseyanthony/andrea_lyon_bio.html

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"She has tried over 130 homicide cases, both while with the Public Defender’s office and since. She has defended over 30 potential capital cases at the trial level and has taken 19 through penalty phase; she has won all 19."


Lyons track record is not it has been made up to be by some


tried 130 homicide cases...but how many did she actually win?
tried 30 capital cases.......how many did she win? 11?
19 cases DP..won 19 but what did the perps actually get? LWOP?

So does she have a perfect track record for the 19, where they have all been DP and Lyons got them LWOP. As these were penalty phase they have already been convicted. So is it a win getting them LWOP not DP?

She stated IIRC that she would be preparing briefs were it would be stated loudly and boldly that this is not a DP case. So are her services required if the charge is downgraded to LWOP. Can the pros even do that at this point?

my bold. IM confused as well with that statement. filing briefs to say the state has it all wrong......might be a procedural thing, but IMO that has nothing to do with the upcoming trial itself....the GJ came back with a decision there was enough evidence to arrest her for murder one.....the evidence we have not seen, IMO, is the evidence that allowed the state to amend their intentions, that there is cause for the DP going forward if a conviction is obtained.

I was under the impression that her her role is to keep her off of DR, not argue in court beforehand that the state is wrong when they changed their minds about the penalty.

Im no expert on the law, perhapes one of our esteemed legal posters can shed some light on 'exactly what is her role' prior to trial and during the trial.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[sunstar]

http://wdbo.com/news/caseyanthony/andrea_lyon_bio.html

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"She has tried over 130 homicide cases, both while with the Public Defender’s office and since. She has defended over 30 potential capital cases at the trial level and has taken 19 through penalty phase; she has won all 19."


Lyons track record is not it has been made up to be by some


tried 130 homicide cases...but how many did she actually win?
tried 30 capital cases.......how many did she win? 11?
19 cases DP..won 19 but what did the perps actually get? LWOP?

So does she have a perfect track record for the 19, where they have all been DP and Lyons got them LWOP. As these were penalty phase they have already been convicted. So is it a win getting them LWOP not DP?

She stated IIRC that she would be preparing briefs were it would be stated loudly and boldly that this is not a DP case. So are her services required if the charge is downgraded to LWOP. Can the pros even do that at this point?

I think she would consider it a "win" by sparing the clients death row even if they ended up with LWOP, and that's what she'll be aiming for with Casey. I don't think a judge is going to grant her motions for reducing the penalty, but if that were to happen, you're right she would no longer be needed. MOO

[Imperfect4]

You're great Pru. Love your posts. I have no idea how the defense is going to speak to all of the lies and contradictions. There are SO many of them!

If the defense calls her (for lack of a better or more scientifically accurate term) "temporarily insane" during Caylee's murder and for a specified time afterwards, they can quite handily dismiss virtually every ridiculous thing that flew out of her mouth. It would be a hard sell, imo, especially in light of the video of her clear eyes and generally cold-but-sane demeanor from July 15th forward, but it's really the only way they can go, imo. They have to find a way to explain all the lies. Jurors will be repulsed by the liar in her, so imo, the defense needs to explain the reason behind them (she wasn't in her right mind) and then dismiss them altogether.

[Pam1569]

I agree, Scamp. It's either going to be accidental, or a psyche story involving a Casey so damaged by her upbringing that after the fight on June 15th, she was so enraged at her mother she saw her mother's face in Caylee, and Caylee was dead before her mind cleared and she realized it was her daughter before her and not her mother.

The way the OC behaved after Caylee's murder will also be explained from a psyche perspective, imo.

I hope the pros is lining up some high caliber psyche professionals of their own to dispute what is surely coming down the pike.

Hi IM and Scampi, If the defense does get a psychologist to prove this are they going to try and say that the court appointed psychologist the court had do an evaluation after her 1st appearance in court back in July was wrong in her evaluation at that time and that this is the true evaluation. How will they prove that their psychologist has it right now when the original one was done soon after the arrest? :confused:

[sunstar]

If the defense calls her (for lack of a better or more scientifically accurate term) "temporarily insane" during Caylee's murder and for a specified time afterwards, they can quite handily dismiss virtually every ridiculous thing that flew out of her mouth. It would be a hard sell, imo, especially in light of the video of her clear eyes and generally cold-but-sane demeanor from July 15th forward, but it's really the only way they can go, imo. They have to find a way to explain all the lies. Jurors will be repulsed by the liar in her, so imo, the defense needs to explain the reason behind them (she wasn't in her right mind) and then dismiss them altogether.

I think this is where the testimony of those who were around her during this time will be critical and I don't think the jury would buy that she was 'temporarily insane' or anything like it. And what about her psych evaluations last summer after her arrest? MOO

[Imperfect4]

Hi IM and Scampi, If the defense does get a psychologist to prove this are they going to try and say that the court appointed psychologist the court had do an evaluation after her 1st appearance in court back in July was wrong in her evaluation at that time and that this is the true evaluation. How will they prove that their psychologist has it right now when the original one was done soon after the arrest? :confused:

Hi Pam. To my knowledge, the odious one has not had an in-depth psych analysis. The workups the jail does are surface, I believe, and intended only to insure she's not a clear and present danger to herself or others.

[court~critic1®]

What especially sticks in my mind is when LE picks her up on the murder charge and she's sitting there in the interrogation room chatting away with the detectives, laughing, and talking about everything but why she's there. I can tell you if anyone around me died accidentally and I was charged with their murder I sure wouldn't be acting like she was and I'd be absolutely terrified :scared: of being locked up in jail!! MOO



IIRC she had already lawyered up by this time. So the LE couldn't talk to her about the real reason why she was there. Ergo, small talk from them. Bet they were hoping during their chat she would let something slip. Happens all the time.

[Imperfect4]

I think this is where the testimony of those who were around her during this time will be critical and I don't think the jury would buy that she was 'temporarily insane' or anything like it. And what about her psych evaluations last summer after her arrest? MOO

I don't think she's had an indepth psych analysis -- just cursory *is she moments from killing herself?* evaluations performed at the jail.

When I say "temporarily insane," I'm not referring to full-on batchit crazy. I'm sure there are shrinks out there who could explain and cite examples of psychological states in which a person simply erases from memory the horror of a recent event (just as an example) and acts perfectly normal.

The human mind is in many ways uncharted territory. I'm fairly sure the defense could use a competent, respected shrink to give a believable explanation for Casey's behavior -- at least believable enough to cause reasonable doubt that she was in full control of her faculties and coldly premeditated and carried out the murder of her child.

By the way, in none of my posts am I talking about the defense getting Casey acquitted of the charges against her, but only saving her from the death penalty. I'm sure she's off to prison for the rest of her useless life.

[Pam1569]

Hi Pam. To my knowledge, the odious one has not had an in-depth psych analysis. The workups the jail does are surface, I believe, and intended only to insure she's not a clear and present danger to herself or others.

TY IM for the clarification much appreciated.

[Dick Tracy]

yes, smoke signals. lol :D

right, she had no contact with Z other than JUNE 12 (bogus date) to say she was dropping Caylee off....*one brief conversation in the morning*, then another call from Z on July 15, however, Caylee was on the other end of the line talking about her book and shoes.

also, notably, her comment about her emails ALL BOUNCING BACK.

right. smoke signals.

but oops.....DT! she told another version, but not to LE, only to Lee and her parents: BLANCHARD PARK and how she was 'being taught a lesson'......the arm twisting in a public place while her daughter is led away by Z's sister or gf, jeez I forget which...such a traumatic event, falling to the ground, no weapons....

therefore that might have been the time she was given instructions: *DO AS I SAY* <--I cant believe Im typing that, its so incredulous to entertain her second story.....:D

but she had no other alternative to backtrack on 'no contact' as she wrote in her official police statement....Junior PI Lee most assuredly grilled her, so she had to tell another story.

which is why the Anthonys became furious that LE wasnt chewing and swallowing Casey's every word....she already lied, they were done with her AND were done with Cindy's obstruction. *Cindy's voicemail....already setting up a new 'what if': if something happened to Caylee, Casey had help*

as if that diminishes her involvement. gawd.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*


Pru - You know, I really think the message that finally came in loud and clear to George and Cindy that Casey had done this is when the body was found, and there was a heart shaped sticker stuck on the duct tape that would align where Casey's mouth was. I'm going to bet that when Lee went over to Tony's and deleted 1000's of photos the night of 7/15, one of those photos being deleted could be a probable photo of little Caylee running around with a heart shaped sticker stuck to her mouth. The Anthony's have seen that photo, and they probably remember that dayh when Caylee was having fun with the stickers. When they heard about the heart shaped sticker, they knew it was Casey. She might have been sending mother Cindy a message with that sticker. And only the two of them knew.

Drama! But not as dramatic as your CASEY CONSPIRACY AGAINST CINDY theory.

dt

[Tornado]

I agree, Scamp. It's either going to be accidental, or a psyche story involving a Casey so damaged by her upbringing that after the fight on June 15th, she was so enraged at her mother she saw her mother's face in Caylee, and Caylee was dead before her mind cleared and she realized it was her daughter before her and not her mother.

The way the OC behaved after Caylee's murder will also be explained from a psyche perspective, imo.

I hope the pros is lining up some high caliber psyche professionals of their own to dispute what is surely coming down the pike.

ITA, I think that this will be the most sensible avenue for the defense to take. I also think that KC telling (IIRC),Annie, months earlier that she felt like she was having a breakdown, will play right into the hand.

[101Spots]

<respectfully snipped>

She stated IIRC that she would be preparing briefs were it would be stated loudly and boldly that this is not a DP case. So are her services required if the charge is downgraded to LWOP. Can the pros even do that at this point?

Soooooooo....... How many briefs does it take to say "This is not a DP case because A, B, and C"? Lenamon did it in one brief. AL must be from the Baffle-'em with Reams of Moo-Poo School of Law.

This is getting ridiculous. It's going to be nigh impossible to coordinate between JB (Orlando), Malacuso (California), LKB (New Yawk), and now AL (Chicago), not to mention the *hordes* of other lawyers on the team. Bozo is "teaching" and drooling over OC, LKB is on other cases, ditto Toooodddd, and AL is teaching at a law school, working at her no-DP organization, and probably taking her book on a little tour of the country. Sure - they're all available from 1:30 PM to 3:15 PM on August 25th, 2024. Let's have a trial then. Oh, wait - we still need a hearing on whether the tape can be released......

Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. Meaning no disrespect to our Native American posters.

[sunstar]

IIRC she had already lawyered up by this time. So the LE couldn't talk to her about the real reason why she was there. Ergo, small talk from them. Bet they were hoping during their chat she would let something slip. Happens all the time.

Oh I know LE couldn't question her but I was thinking of her reaction to the murder charges and how terrified I would be if I had accidentally killed my child or worse yet was completely innocent, had been charged with murder and facing jail. Casey's never shown any emotions that someone who's innocent would. MOO

[sunstar]

I don't think she's had an indepth psych analysis -- just cursory *is she moments from killing herself?* evaluations performed at the jail.

When I say "temporarily insane," I'm not referring to full-on batchit crazy. I'm sure there are shrinks out there who could explain and cite examples of psychological states in which a person simply erases from memory the horror of a recent event (just as an example) and acts perfectly normal.

The human mind is in many ways uncharted territory. I'm fairly sure the defense could use a competent, respected shrink to give a believable explanation for Casey's behavior -- at least believable enough to cause reasonable doubt that she was in full control of her faculties and coldly premeditated and carried out the murder of her child.

By the way, in none of my posts am I talking about the defense getting Casey acquitted of the charges against her, but only saving her from the death penalty. I'm sure she's off to prison for the rest of her useless life.
I understand and thanks for the further explanation. I too would like to know if there is a psychological diagnosis where the person erases from memory a horrible event, acts perfectly normal and makes up stories about where their missing child is when in fact the child is dead (likely at their own hand). :sad: MOO

[Scampi]

ITA, I think that this will be the most sensible avenue for the defense to take. I also think that KC telling (IIRC),Annie, months earlier that she felt like she was having a breakdown, will play right into the hand.

Oh yes, thanks for remembering that little tidbit. Any documented craziness in casey's background will be used also.

There have always been rumors of problems in her past, her being "baker acted" as a juvenile being one of them.

[101Spots]

I don't think she's had an indepth psych analysis -- just cursory *is she moments from killing herself?* evaluations performed at the jail.

When I say "temporarily insane," I'm not referring to full-on batchit crazy. I'm sure there are shrinks out there who could explain and cite examples of psychological states in which a person simply erases from memory the horror of a recent event (just as an example) and acts perfectly normal.

The human mind is in many ways uncharted territory. I'm fairly sure the defense could use a competent, respected shrink to give a believable explanation for Casey's behavior -- at least believable enough to cause reasonable doubt that she was in full control of her faculties and coldly premeditated and carried out the murder of her child.

By the way, in none of my posts am I talking about the defense getting Casey acquitted of the charges against her, but only saving her from the death penalty. I'm sure she's off to prison for the rest of her useless life.

Ah, I get it. You are assuming that Casey would tell the ~truth~ to any shrink they sent into her cave.

Not gonna happen.

She'd lie like a cheap rug. A shrink may be able to say, "She's nuts" but it would be based on lies.

"So, Dr. Shrink, why do you say Casey was incapable of stopping herself from killing her daughter?"

"Well, once Cindy took a rolling pin to her backside and she couldn't sit down for a month. It scarred her psyche. Then George laughed at her tattoo. Poor girl was lonely."

"What is I could prove those things never happened?"

"Boy, is my face red!"


ETA: Unless they get a trial wh*re who will lie right along with her. For money.

[TunaMelt]

http://wdbo.com/news/caseyanthony/andrea_lyon_bio.html

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"She has tried over 130 homicide cases, both while with the Public Defender’s office and since. She has defended over 30 potential capital cases at the trial level and has taken 19 through penalty phase; she has won all 19."


Lyons track record is not it has been made up to be by some


tried 130 homicide cases...but how many did she actually win?
tried 30 capital cases.......how many did she win? 11?
19 cases DP..won 19 but what did the perps actually get? LWOP?

So does she have a perfect track record for the 19, where they have all been DP and Lyons got them LWOP. As these were penalty phase they have already been convicted. So is it a win getting them LWOP not DP?

She stated IIRC that she would be preparing briefs were it would be stated loudly and boldly that this is not a DP case. So are her services required if the charge is downgraded to LWOP. Can the pros even do that at this point?

From what I understand, all her DP clients got LWOP. Which, to an abolitionist like Lyons and her group, that's a victory. But if we're talking about "were they found NOT GUILTY" -- no, they were all found guilty, they are all in prison for life, but none got the death penalty.

Which is pretty much how I see it going for KC Anthony.

Although there's a part of me that wonders if she won't, indeed, get the DP handed down to her, despite Lyons' efforts on her behalf. KC and this case seems to be breaking a lot of traditions and rules, so I wouldn't be surprised if she broke Lyons' record of 100% success at defending her clients from the DP.

[court~critic1®]

Oh I know LE couldn't question her but I was thinking of her reaction to the murder charges and how terrified I would be if I had accidentally killed my child or worse yet was completely innocent, had been charged with murder and facing jail. Casey's never shown any emotions that someone who's innocent would. MOO




Aha! copy and concur!!!!!

[Scampi]

If the defense calls her (for lack of a better or more scientifically accurate term) "temporarily insane" during Caylee's murder and for a specified time afterwards, they can quite handily dismiss virtually every ridiculous thing that flew out of her mouth. It would be a hard sell, imo, especially in light of the video of her clear eyes and generally cold-but-sane demeanor from July 15th forward, but it's really the only way they can go, imo. They have to find a way to explain all the lies. Jurors will be repulsed by the liar in her, so imo, the defense needs to explain the reason behind them (she wasn't in her right mind) and then dismiss them altogether.


Yep, all the outrageous guilty things that she has done, that the sane people (prosecutors and us) know is her consciousness of guilt, Lyon and her psych expert will twist to reflect some ongoing mental incapacity.

baden will handle the forensics that point to her, with the junk science and lets file a motion to keep it out approach.

[jammies]

Hiya Imp!! We are on the same page. Of course all this hinges on the OC being smart enough to listen to Lyon, if she doesn't and insists on the "I am totally innocent and zanny the nanny did it" nonsense, she is a dead odious creature walking, imo.



Question: if Casey INSISTS on going w/the Zanny Nanny story will the defense have to run with that?

[jammies]

my bold. IM confused as well with that statement. filing briefs to say the state has it all wrong......might be a procedural thing, but IMO that has nothing to do with the upcoming trial itself....the GJ came back with a decision there was enough evidence to arrest her for murder one.....the evidence we have not seen, IMO, is the evidence that allowed the state to amend their intentions, that there is cause for the DP going forward if a conviction is obtained.

I was under the impression that her her role is to keep her off of DR, not argue in court beforehand that the state is wrong when they changed their minds about the penalty.

Im no expert on the law, perhapes one of our esteemed legal posters can shed some light on 'exactly what is her role' prior to trial and during the trial.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Wow, glad you asked that. After reading the PDF that Scamp put up earlier, your impression is the same as mine.

[Pruddennce]

I have to wonder how Cindy will explain away her conflicting statements. The big one that she said in her depo to Morgan about always knowing where Caylee was - she was with her mother, yet telling the police that when she asked Casey to talk to Caylee, Caylee was always with the BABYSITTER in the theme park or at the beach. Both statements I believe were made under oath. They also have totally DIFFERENT meanings. How can the child be "with her mother" when the mother says she is "with the sitter (nanny)." They are totally opposite.

yes Sandy.

Cindy also gave 'another reason' for Casey not permitting her to have contact with Caylee.

in her written statement: casey claimed 'allowing Cindy to talk to caylee would upset her (caylee)'.

but she doesnt expound on that statement.

but Casey mentions that as well: she claims her own daughter caylee WAS NOT UPSET or appeared to be under duress when she SUPPOSEDLY talked to caylee on the phone on July 15th.

....'which is crazy that she wasnt upset' she says.....

BUT: goes on further to say 'had it been my mom, totally different'

then, in true form, lying Casey, she says, Caylee has always been that way, never upset if she had not seen me or spoken to me.....she's always been that way...

but seconds before she is calling it 'crazy' that she wasnt upset when she talked to her....

Cindy and Casey have revealed that there was a power struggle for this child....Cindy was treating Caylee like her 'second chance child' and casey was resentful concerning the attention caylee received.

it reminded Casey that she would never meet her mother's expectations as to how to be 'a good mother'......Cindy berated Casey about this and freely expressed her disappointment to casey's friends about Casey's inability to be a good mother.

Casey didnt want to be a mother, she simply wanted to retain the title, drag the child around, to trump Cindy.

during the deposition, Cindy changes her tune, 'washes her hands' of casey and her deficiencies as a mother. 'oh well' was her new posturing, "I was not Caylee's mother".

but her written blog clearly identifies her self-assessment as to who she perceived to be in Caylee's life. and it was more than a grandmother.

again, MO, 'second chance child' without being totally responsible: as in arranging for full time child care, as in having legal custody. as long as Casey brought her home at the end of the day, she was ok with Casey being 'the nanny'.

IMO

best regards
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Sandy001]

They've made it clear and continue to do so that Casey is innocent ~ but even though they haven't said "until proven guilty" ~ could the hidden meaning be innocent of "murder"? I really wouldn't put it past the defense to throw anything and everything at the jury with the hope that they won't sentence her to death. MOO I am not sure about Florida law, but in CA, they have to include a lesser charge, which in this case would be murder 2. To get manslaughter in, they would have to show that an accident was possible in the testimony and I have seen NOTHING that leads to any accident.
The "perfect mother" scenario excludes any accident such as drowning, because a "perfect mother" wouldn't let the child out of her sight long enough for that kind of an accident to happen. A "perfect mother" would either call 911 or rush the child to a hospital in the case of any accident.

Casey's toast. Cindy will never testify that any accident could have happened.

[Scampi]

Question: if Casey INSISTS on going w/the Zanny Nanny story will the defense have to run with that?

I think so Jam, she's makes the final decision, imo.

[Tornado]

Oh yes, thanks for remembering that little tidbit. Any documented craziness in casey's background will be used also.

There have always been rumors of problems in her past, her being "baker acted" as a juvenile being one of them.

Shoot, I can see it getting walked all the way to post partum. If the defense chooses to head in a "mental" defense, that would open up a whole new world of options. But....

First they have to ditch the accident and Zanny theory.
Second they have to get KC to admit involvment.

Very long road to hoe....

[Imperfect4]

Ah, I get it. You are assuming that Casey would tell the ~truth~ to any shrink they sent into her cave.

Not gonna happen.

She'd lie like a cheap rug. A shrink may be able to say, "She's nuts" but it would be based on lies.

"So, Dr. Shrink, why do you say Casey was incapable of stopping herself from killing her daughter?"

"Well, once Cindy took a rolling pin to her backside and she couldn't sit down for a month. It scarred her psyche. Then George laughed at her tattoo. Poor girl was lonely."

"What is I could prove those things never happened?"

"Boy, is my face red!"


ETA: Unless they get a trial wh*re who will lie right along with her. For money.

I would imagine there's a shrink or a dozen out there who would look upon their involvement in this case similar to how the hordes of lawyers on the defense team apparently do. So it's conceivable they could find a trial wh*re.

As far as whether Casey would be upfront with a shrink ... :lol:

I'm not sure it's necessary, to be honest. If there's a shrink who believes psycho/sociopaths are a result of nurture vs. nature, and said shrink does a study of the Anthony family dynamics, I think certain logical conclusions could be drawn about Casey without asking her a single question. There'd be no point, in any event.

[Sandy001]

Shoot, I can see it getting walked all the way to post partum. If the defense chooses to head in a "mental" defense, that would open up a whole new world of options. But....

First they have to ditch the accident and Zanny theory.
Second they have to get KC to admit involvment.

Very long road to hoe.... I think AL is assuming she will have a complient client Boy, is she in for a surprise.

[jammies]

I think so Jam, she's makes the final decision, imo.



Thanks. Up until now I believe she has probably stuck to her story. Maybe a heart to heart w/AL will or has changed her mind.


one other stupid question: If she sticks to her story but the attorney's tell her they can't defend that, can she, w/o changing her story, give them the go ahead to do whatever they deem nessasary (can't spell today) to defend her?

[sunstar]

sunstar, I believe it has been recently classified as the "OC Syndrome" - sub-headed: "refer Casey Anthony" (photo attached).


imo

You're probably right ~ there'll be a new diagnosis in the DSM just for her. :scared:

[Scampi]

Shoot, I can see it getting walked all the way to post partum. If the defense chooses to head in a "mental" defense, that would open up a whole new world of options. But....

First they have to ditch the accident and Zanny theory.
Second they have to get KC to admit involvment.

Very long road to hoe....

Oh Sweet Lord, that will give casey another chance to whine about how cynthia was the first one to hold Caylee!!!

You're right, it's gonna be a very long and winding road for Ms. Lyon.

[Sandy001]

Thanks. Up until now I believe she has probably stuck to her story. Maybe a heart to heart w/AL will or has changed her mind.


one other stupid question: If she sticks to her story but the attorney's tell her they can't defend that, can she, w/o changing her story, give them the go ahead to do whatever they deem nessasary (can't spell today) to defend her?

Believe it or not, Casey is the captain of this ship. If they do not follow her wishes, she has grounds for an appeal. Actually, knowing Casey, she will just fire anyone who won't go aloing with her. She has gotten away with things all her life and I think she truly believes she will walk away from this also. I don't think she will fire Bozo, because she can and does manipulate him. But I would not be surprised to see the qualified attornies drop the case. After all, Casey is a legend in her own mind. moo

[Scampi]

Thanks. Up until now I believe she has probably stuck to her story. Maybe a heart to heart w/AL will or has changed her mind.


one other stupid question: If she sticks to her story but the attorney's tell her they can't defend that, can she, w/o changing her story, give them the go ahead to do whatever they deem nessasary (can't spell today) to defend her?

I wouldn't think so, because she has to participate in her own defense to a certain extent. We need our lawyers to look at this one.

[sunstar]

I am not sure about Florida law, but in CA, they have to include a lesser charge, which in this case would be murder 2. To get manslaughter in, they would have to show that an accident was possible in the testimony and I have seen NOTHING that leads to any accident.
The "perfect mother" scenario excludes any accident such as drowning, because a "perfect mother" wouldn't let the child out of her sight long enough for that kind of an accident to happen. A "perfect mother" would either call 911 or rush the child to a hospital in the case of any accident.

Casey's toast. Cindy will never testify that any accident could have happened.

Even somebody described as a perfect mother could have a child who accidentally gets into the household cleaners, runs out the front door into the street and gets hit by a car, or gets into a swimming pool while mom's back is turned and drowns. But like you said, she'd be calling 911 immediately, trying to revive the child, and likely hysterical and sobbing uncontrollably . :wink: MOO

[Tornado]

Ah, I get it. You are assuming that Casey would tell the ~truth~ to any shrink they sent into her cave.

Not gonna happen.

She'd lie like a cheap rug. A shrink may be able to say, "She's nuts" but it would be based on lies.

"So, Dr. Shrink, why do you say Casey was incapable of stopping herself from killing her daughter?"

"Well, once Cindy took a rolling pin to her backside and she couldn't sit down for a month. It scarred her psyche. Then George laughed at her tattoo. Poor girl was lonely."

"What is I could prove those things never happened?"

"Boy, is my face red!"


ETA: Unless they get a trial wh*re who will lie right along with her. For money.

I think that if the defense chooses to go with any story of this nature, KC is going to come up with something far worse than a rolling pin to the backside. If KC tells it, its going to be mind boggling.

[Imperfect4]

I think so Jam, she's makes the final decision, imo.

But her attorneys can also walk away at that point, can't they?

[sunstar]

Shoot, I can see it getting walked all the way to post partum. If the defense chooses to head in a "mental" defense, that would open up a whole new world of options. But....

First they have to ditch the accident and Zanny theory.
Second they have to get KC to admit involvment.

Very long road to hoe....

I honestly don't think Casey would ever agree to a mental defense if it meant admitting she killed Caylee. I think she's counting on flirting with the male jurors for an acquittal. MOO

[jammies]

Believe it or not, Casey is the captain of this ship. If they do not follow her wishes, she has grounds for an appeal. Actually, knowing Casey, she will just fire anyone who won't go aloing with her. She has gotten away with things all her life and I think she truly believes she will walk away from this also. I don't think she will fire Bozo, because she can and does manipulate him. But I would not be surprised to see the qualified attornies drop the case. After all, Casey is a legend in her own mind. moo


Thanks, Sandy. That's how I thought the process went.

I can see her sticking with Baez and discarding the others too. I can't see her EVER accepting the blame either accident or intentional. She would have to show some remorse which even lying Casey can't conjure up.

[MDdetective]

Hi everyboby...I was wondering if anyone has heard anything recently about P.I. Dominic Casey ???? Wasn't he suppose to be deposed by Morgan and Morgan ??? After he split from the A's and got his own lawyer I heard ZIP :confused:
PS sorry if this is O/T I'm still a newbie :blushing:

[Scampi]

But her attorneys can also walk away at that point, can't they?

I think an honest and ethical attorney would...... :wink:

[Imperfect4]

Hi everyboby...I was wondering if anyone has heard anything recently about P.I. Dominic Casey ???? Wasn't he suppose to be deposed by Morgan and Morgan ??? After he split from the A's and got his own lawyer I heard ZIP :confused:
PS sorry if this is O/T I'm still a newbie :blushing:

Hi MD. Nope, DCasey has gone underground, lol. Last we heard, he'd lawyered up and cancelled his Morgan depo, and also filed a complaint with the Bar against Baez. Haven't seen or heard hide nor hair of him since.

[Tornado]

I honestly don't think Casey would ever agree to a mental defense if it meant admitting she killed Caylee. I think she's counting on flirting with the male jurors for an acquittal. MOO

I hope we get some sort of insight soon, as to which direction they are heading.

[101Spots]

I think that if the defense chooses to go with any story of this nature, KC is going to come up with something far worse than a rolling pin to the backside. If KC tells it, its going to be mind boggling.

.........but still a lie.

I've got no doubt that there were things that happened in that house that would curl my hair. But I still don't think that the OC would tell the complete truth. More like 0.4% truth.

[jammies]

Hi everyboby...I was wondering if anyone has heard anything recently about P.I. Dominic Casey ???? Wasn't he suppose to be deposed by Morgan and Morgan ??? After he split from the A's and got his own lawyer I heard ZIP :confused:
PS sorry if this is O/T I'm still a newbie :blushing:


Good question and one I'm waiting for an answer to also. DC holds the key to who knew where Caylee's remains would be found.
Welcome to the boards!

[TunaMelt]

Was she brought in for just the penalty phase for these, in other words had they already been convicted?

Good question, Miz Lizzster.
:seeya:

I'd thought that she was part of a team, like she is now, but you know, I don't really know.

And that would make a difference, in this case, wouldn't it?

Where'd our own legal eagles go?

A PS: As you might or might not know, Illinois has a moratorium on the death penalty; it's there, you can get convicted and sentenced to death, but your sentence can't be carried out during this moratorium. And I don't know when the moratorium ends. My point here is that Lyons spearheaded the movement to get this temporary hold on the death sentence in Illinois; she's both legally and politically savvy. Good for KC Anthony.

I know I'll find Lyons a pain in the arse after not too long.
:wink::smile:

[Pruddennce]

I think that if the defense chooses to go with any story of this nature, KC is going to come up with something far worse than a rolling pin to the backside. If KC tells it, its going to be mind boggling.

Jesse wrote in his statement that he asked Casey if Cindy was going to be watching Caylee when Casey asked him to come to fusion, so she could 'cheer him up')....he asked her about Cindy because CASEY TOLD HIM she had a falling out with her mother. (Casey said THE NANNY was going to have Caylee for the week or weekend, he couldnt remember which).....

Cindy denies a 'falling out'.......which is her downfall now.....

....and I agree with you.....if the defense goes with the mother/daughter volatile relationship excuse, Casey is going to pull a whopper out of her hat to defend herself...

I truly believe the Anthonys are shaking in their newfound 'save the children' boots......IMO, they are 'feeling' the wind change.....they just might have received a written cryptic message from her about the climate change....

remember the Anthonys and their decoder rings......during those jailhouse visits they were 'tuned in' as to what Casey was communicating to them.....and vice versa.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[101Spots]

Good question, Miz Lizzster.


I'd thought that she was part of a team, like she is now, but you know, I don't really know.

And that would make a difference, in this case, wouldn't it?

Where'd our own legal eagles go?

A PS: As you might or might not know, Illinois has a moratorium on the death penalty; it's there, you can get convicted and sentenced to death, but your sentence can't be carried out during this moratorium. And I don't know when the moratorium ends. My point here is that Lyons spearheaded the movement to get this temporary hold on the death sentence in Illinois; she's both legally and politically savvy. Good for KC Anthony.

I know I'll find Lyons a pain in the arse after not too long.
:wink::smile:

It's Orlando, FL, not Orlando, IL. World of difference, for which I am grateful. :biggrin:

[TunaMelt]

I honestly don't think Casey would ever agree to a mental defense if it meant admitting she killed Caylee. I think she's counting on flirting with the male jurors for an acquittal. MOO

She's not a cute and flirty as she was just a few short months ago. But you're right, she will, because that's how she operates. It's all she knows as a way to get what she wants.

Pathetic woman, isn't she?

[CRRJJ]

my bold. IM confused as well with that statement. filing briefs to say the state has it all wrong......might be a procedural thing, but IMO that has nothing to do with the upcoming trial itself....the GJ came back with a decision there was enough evidence to arrest her for murder one.....the evidence we have not seen, IMO, is the evidence that allowed the state to amend their intentions, that there is cause for the DP going forward if a conviction is obtained.


Im no expert on the law, perhapes one of our esteemed legal posters can shed some light on 'exactly what is her role' prior to trial and during the trial.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

My understanding also was that she did not necessarily get a 'not guilty' verdict every time, but just that she saved them from the dp. they still could have been given lwop. I don't think she even argues to get a 'not guilty' verdict or maybe doesn't even care. but that is jmo.

[MDdetective]

Hi MD. Nope, DCasey has gone underground, lol. Last we heard, he'd lawyered up and cancelled his Morgan depo, and also filed a complaint with the Bar against Baez. Haven't seen or heard hide nor hair of him since.

Thanks for the reply...hmmm that's what I remember. I think he is gonna be a big key once this goes to trial....I also remember him getting real close with Cindy towards the end. Almost like he was romancing her for inside info for a book maybe ????? just my own silly opinion, mind you. What do you think a good title would be ???? "Tampering with the Shrew" maybe, lol.

[TunaMelt]

It's Orlando, FL, not Orlando, IL. World of difference, for which I am grateful. :biggrin:

I know, spots. I know that her "friendships" with the powers that be and the way to get things done in Illinois won't get her far in Florida -- I'm just saying she knows her way around, and how to get around. She's experienced in the way things work -- unlike, say, Jose.

:wink:

[Pruddennce]

My understanding also was that she did not necessarily get a 'not guilty' verdict every time, but just that she saved them from the dp. they still could have been given lwop. I don't think she even argues to get a 'not guilty' verdict or maybe doesn't even care. but that is jmo.

yes, her clients received LWOP....I am curious as to her role before and during trial.....and what role she has prior to the trial based on her statement 'she was filing briefs' about the DP being a possible sentence, and her contention, this IS NOT a DP case'.

what weight does a brief have? now that the charges have been filed, what is the possibility, if any, that the judge would read and agree with a brief and tell the state its a no go? what is that likelihood, is it an argument that receives court time or just a blanket 'objection' to the charges, for the record?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[sunstar]

I hope we get some sort of insight soon, as to which direction they are heading.

I think it will depend on what role Lyons actually has. Could it be she might just be there so Baez has a death-qualified attorney on board and leave the trial strategy up to him & LKB, with her coming in to argue the penalty phase?

[MDdetective]

Good question and one I'm waiting for an answer to also. DC holds the key to who knew where Caylee's remains would be found.
Welcome to the boards!

Thanks Jammies (luv the name)

[Imperfect4]

Thanks, Sandy. That's how I thought the process went.

I can see her sticking with Baez and discarding the others too. I can't see her EVER accepting the blame either accident or intentional. She would have to show some remorse which even lying Casey can't conjure up.

I think she has one shot, and it'll be up to Lyon to convince her. I really do believe because the OC has been allowed to get away with virtually everything all her life, and because her *role models* are people who taught her how to lie and deflect responsibility, on some level she simply does not get the depth of the doo-doo she's standing in. She is a child emotionally, and children do not automatically understand situations as adults do.

I think her one shot is to have a light-bulb moment with Lyon in which she gains an understanding of how the best anyone on earth can do for her is try to spare her from being put to death. She has to be made to understand no one can get her out of this, like her family has always covered for her in the past. Baez is not mommy or daddy, and this situation isn't the same as the scrapes she's been in in the past.

I think inside this process, Lyon has to point out the disservice Baez has done by allowing Casey to continue to live in a fantasy world. Baez is as bad for her as her parents. That will be perhaps the most difficult sell, imo, because Casey has put all her eggs in that clown's basket. Only time will tell whether Baez and Lyon will end up working at cross purposes with Casey.

If Casey doesn't accept her real situation vs. the situation she thought she had and that Baez promoted to her, she blows her one shot. imo

[Sandy001]

Good question, Miz Lizzster.
:seeya:

I'd thought that she was part of a team, like she is now, but you know, I don't really know.

And that would make a difference, in this case, wouldn't it?

Where'd our own legal eagles go?

A PS: As you might or might not know, Illinois has a moratorium on the death penalty; it's there, you can get convicted and sentenced to death, but your sentence can't be carried out during this moratorium. And I don't know when the moratorium ends. My point here is that Lyons spearheaded the movement to get this temporary hold on the death sentence in Illinois; she's both legally and politically savvy. Good for KC Anthony.

I know I'll find Lyons a pain in the arse after not too long.
:wink::smile:


I think it was Gov Blago-whatever who put the moratorium into effect. I am sure a new governor can overturn it. IL has a lot of wrongful convictions on their death row. I think that is why a moratorium was put on it. Each state has different laws. When Manson and his "family" were given the death penalty in CA and the death penalty was overturned, it went to "life." That is why they keep coming up for parole. I believe, in CA now, it is LWOP. I'm not sure about other states. Even with LWOP, they are eligible for programs in prison - education, etc. And CA prison commissaries are better than jail commissaries.

[Barbara fl.]

And if she did, she would never go about her life as if nothing happened while swilling down the cold ones at naked parties and then hitting the scene at Fusion partying her azz off rubbing her. . .well, you get my drift. :cursing:

Good afternoon Talamoth,

I just love the way you put that.....
:laugh:

[Tornado]

.........but still a lie.

I've got no doubt that there were things that happened in that house that would curl my hair. But I still don't think that the OC would tell the complete truth. More like 0.4% truth.

I don't know if she even knows what the truth is. I think it would be whatever her reality is at the time.

I look and hear CA and I don't think KC would have to lie too much to get the reaction she would need. CA has done things in public that I wouldn't do behind closed doors.

[Imperfect4]

Thanks for the reply...hmmm that's what I remember. I think he is gonna be a big key once this goes to trial....I also remember him getting real close with Cindy towards the end. Almost like he was romancing her for inside info for a book maybe ????? just my own silly opinion, mind you. What do you think a good title would be ???? "Tampering with the Shrew" maybe, lol.

OMG! ROFL! :lol:

[Barbara fl.]

yes, her clients received LWOP....I am curious as to her role before and during trial.....and what role she has prior to the trial based on her statement 'she was filing briefs' about the DP being a possible sentence, and her contention, this IS NOT a DP case'.

what weight does a brief have? now that the charges have been filed, what is the possibility, if any, that the judge would read and agree with a brief and tell the state its a no go? what is that likelihood, is it an argument that receives court time or just a blanket 'objection' to the charges, for the record?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


You know, your right......she basically handles the DP part...I too wonder what role she will play (if any) in the defense of Casey....

Could also be why Cindy looked so bad in court...she may very well have met with AL prior to the court hearing and may have been advised of just how guilty Casey is and how much she will try and keep the DP off the table.....Cindy looked bad and kept a very low profile in court that day.....something had to have happened just prior....

[Tornado]

I think it will depend on what role Lyons actually has. Could it be she might just be there so Baez has a death-qualified attorney on board and leave the trial strategy up to him & LKB, with her coming in to argue the penalty phase?

Don't you dare try to tell me that I am going to have to put up with listening to JB stuttering and stammering thru out this entire trial. I am telling you right now, I wouldn't make it. I am still recovering from Thursday......even if you have to lie, say it isn't so.:scared:

[Sandy001]

yes, her clients received LWOP....I am curious as to her role before and during trial.....and what role she has prior to the trial based on her statement 'she was filing briefs' about the DP being a possible sentence, and her contention, this IS NOT a DP case'.

what weight does a brief have? now that the charges have been filed, what is the possibility, if any, that the judge would read and agree with a brief and tell the state its a no go? what is that likelihood, is it an argument that receives court time or just a blanket 'objection' to the charges, for the record?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Pru, I think it has to be a motion with the prosecution given time to respond.

As for LWOP, I don't consider it a terrible sentence. People in prison become "instutionalized," They adjust to their surroundings. They still get visits from family and friends. They can still watch their children grow up. Soem prisons even allow conjugal visits and/oir contact visits. Scott Peterson still gets to hug his parents and he is on DEATH ROW; Laci is buried in the ground. They still have commissary privileges. They still get fed. They are still alive. They still get to breate fresh air. Granted they are in prison, but what do their victims get? The death penalty.

[101Spots]

I know, spots. I know that her "friendships" with the powers that be and the way to get things done in Illinois won't get her far in Florida -- I'm just saying she knows her way around, and how to get around. She's experienced in the way things work -- unlike, say, Jose.

:wink:

Ohhhhh, *LEGAL* matters! I understand now!:biggrin:

[Imperfect4]

I don't know if she even knows what the truth is. I think it would be whatever her reality is at the time.

I look and hear CA and I don't think KC would have to lie too much to get the reaction she would need. CA has done things in public that I wouldn't do behind closed doors.

As I said upthread, I'm not sure they even need a revelation by Casey. Just roll the tapes (any number of them) on Mommy Dearest there. They'll do all the heavy lifting. :scared:

[Barbara fl.]

Hi MD. Nope, DCasey has gone underground, lol. Last we heard, he'd lawyered up and cancelled his Morgan depo, and also filed a complaint with the Bar against Baez. Haven't seen or heard hide nor hair of him since.



Aside from all of us....has anyone connected to this case NOT been lawyered up?

[jammies]

I think she has one shot, and it'll be up to Lyon to convince her. I really do believe because the OC has been allowed to get away with virtually everything all her life, and because her *role models* are people who taught her how to lie and deflect responsibility, on some level she simply does not get the depth of the doo-doo she's standing in. She is a child emotionally, and children do not automatically understand situations as adults do.

I think her one shot is to have a light-bulb moment with Lyon in which she gains an understanding of how the best anyone on earth can do for her is try to spare her from being put to death. She has to be made to understand no one can get her out of this, like her family has always covered for her in the past. Baez is not mommy or daddy, and this situation isn't the same as the scrapes she's been in in the past.

I think inside this process, Lyon has to point out the disservice Baez has done by allowing Casey to continue to live in a fantasy world. Baez is as bad for her as her parents. That will be perhaps the most difficult sell, imo, because Casey has put all her eggs in that clown's basket. Only time will tell whether Baez and Lyon will end up working at cross purposes with Casey.

If Casey doesn't accept her real situation vs. the situation she thought she had and that Baez promoted to her, she blows her one shot. imo


Thanks, imp. I agree. Will Baez go along? If she convinces Casey that Baez hasn't been quite honest w/her, who will Casey believe.

It's gonna get interesting!

[ConchGirl]

It's Orlando, FL, not Orlando, IL. World of difference, for which I am grateful. :biggrin:

Good Afternoon. It seems the new lead attorney has political friends (convicts) in Chi-Town. I hope Ms. Lyon realizes that we do things different here in the Sunshine State.

Andrea Lyon and the ex-Governor. http://skellywright.blogspot.com/2005/11/il-andrea-lyon-and-ex-governor.html

Ex-Illinois Governor Ryan Convicted on 18 Charges.
http://uspolitics.about.com/b/2006/04/17/ex-illinois-governor-convicted.htm

[Sandy001]

I think it will depend on what role Lyons actually has. Could it be she might just be there so Baez has a death-qualified attorney on board and leave the trial strategy up to him & LKB, with her coming in to argue the penalty phase? I think legally she is the first chair. Of course, I don't see Baez giving that up. His ego has to be stroked. And Casey is doing that. I don't see Casey cooperating with Lyon at all.

[Imperfect4]

Aside from all of us....has anyone connected to this case NOT been lawyered up?

Aside from all of us? Don't know about you, but I put an attorney on retainer the same day I found out I was a fat, lazy blogger ... :lol:

:sneaky:

[Tornado]

Aside from all of us? Don't know about you, but I put an attorney on retainer the same day I found out I was a fat, lazy blogger ... :lol:

:sneaky:

:w00t: Holy moses, ROFL..............

[101Spots]

Don't you dare try to tell me that I am going to have to put up with listening to JB stuttering and stammering thru out this entire trial. I am telling you right now, I wouldn't make it. I am still recovering from Thursday......even if you have to lie, say it isn't so.:scared:

You would prefer the screeching of LKB? :scared:

The article posted yesterday about AL said she was pretty nasty when she questioned witnesses, too.

This trial will be interminable.


Memo to self: Prepare and have on hand:
Pepto
Earplugs
Aspirin
More aspirin
Blood pressure meds
Assorted bottles of "medicine"

[MiamiNice1]

As I said upthread, I'm not sure they even need a revelation by Casey. Just roll the tapes (any number of them) on Mommy Dearest there. They'll do all the heavy lifting. :scared:

After reading this post, (bolded above by me) I HAD to jump in here to tell you how MUCH I :wub: and admire your "turn of phrase!" It's a GIFT!

I laughed out loud at another clever phrasing by you yesterday - the "roto-rooter" in regards to the "back up of doc dumps." Just CLEVER, I tell ya!

:loveeyes:

[ConchGirl]

I just found this interesting site regarding the last words of people executed:

http://crime.about.com/od/anylastwords/Any_Last_Words.htm

I'm wondering what you think the OC's last words might be.

How about, "My life was a waste. Huge waste."?

LE was wrong. I really did work at Universal.

[101Spots]

Aside from all of us....has anyone connected to this case NOT been lawyered up?

On the advice of my lawyer, I plead the Fifth.



:tonguewag:

[Barbara fl.]

I think legally she is the first chair. Of course, I don't see Baez giving that up. His ego has to be stroked. And Casey is doing that. I don't see Casey cooperating with Lyon at all.


I believe that Andrea Lyons made that statement to the media the other day, that she is now the lead attorney....but she will continue to work with all the other attornies.....

I didn't think that Baez was going to stay in the front too long...he just doesn't have what it takes and he doesn't stand a chance with all those other lawyers he brought on board....(he should have thought about that before :laugh:)....

She also could have met with Cindy and told her just where Casey stands......that could be why the :crying:

[Pruddennce]

Thanks for the reply...hmmm that's what I remember. I think he is gonna be a big key once this goes to trial....I also remember him getting real close with Cindy towards the end. Almost like he was romancing her for inside info for a book maybe ????? just my own silly opinion, mind you. What do you think a good title would be ???? "Tampering with the Shrew" maybe, lol.

my bold....OMG LOL! :D

well, as I seem to recall, there was a LONG RIDE HOME from the Ritz.....the two of them. no link.



IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Barbara fl.]

On the advice of my lawyer, I plead the Fifth.



:tonguewag:


:thumbsup: meeee tooooo.......

[Tornado]

You would prefer the screeching of LKB? :scared:

The article posted yesterday about AL said she was pretty nasty when she questioned witnesses, too.

This trial will be interminable.


Memo to self: Prepare and have on hand:
Pepto
Earplugs
Aspirin
More aspirin
Blood pressure meds
Assorted bottles of "medicine"


Wow that is a tough one.... its just everytime I listen to JB , I end up coaching him throughout every sentence.

Spit it out JB.
Get to the point JB.
Just say it JB.

I am exhausted by the time he gets thru two minutes with Strickland. Is she atleast a fluent screecher? I might be able to handle that better.

[MDdetective]

Aside from all of us....has anyone connected to this case NOT been lawyered up?

As far as I know, Zanny's dog has yet to seek council.

[Imperfect4]

After reading this post, (bolded above by me) I HAD to jump in here to tell you how MUCH I :wub: and admire your "turn of phrase!" It's a GIFT!

I laughed out loud at another clever phrasing by you yesterday - the "roto-rooter" in regards to the "back up of doc dumps." Just CLEVER, I tell ya!



Thanks, MN. :blushing:

Too bad I can't make a living at it ... :laugh:

[sunstar]

Don't you dare try to tell me that I am going to have to put up with listening to JB stuttering and stammering thru out this entire trial. I am telling you right now, I wouldn't make it. I am still recovering from Thursday......even if you have to lie, say it isn't so.:scared:

:lol: Oh, my friend, I guess you've never seen LKB in action either? You're in for a big treat! Bring your earplugs though.

[Imperfect4]

LE was wrong. I really did work at Universal.

..... :thumbsup: .....

[101Spots]

Wow that is a tough one.... its just everytime I listen to JB , I end up coaching him throughout every sentence.

Spit it out JB.
Get to the point JB.
Just say it JB.

I am exhausted by the time he gets thru two minutes with Strickland. Is she atleast a fluent screecher? I might be able to handle that better.

Alas, no.

Wait, I take that back. She did *read* her closing statement in Spector I. That was monotonous. Fond of finger pointing to emphasize her point. Repetitive. Repetitive. Snooze City.

But the questioning was repetitive, loud, screeching, and repetitive.

ETA: Maybe you should practice your Heimlich maneuver to help JB spit out the words?

[Imperfect4]

As far as I know, Zanny's dog has yet to seek council.

:laugh: Perhaps one of the junior attorneys at M&M could take that little white Pomeranian mix on as a client ... :rolleyes:

[sunstar]

I think legally she is the first chair. Of course, I don't see Baez giving that up. His ego has to be stroked. And Casey is doing that. I don't see Casey cooperating with Lyon at all.

OK, I can understand that since she's the DQ attorney, but I can't see Casey putting her life in anyone's hands but her dearly beloved Jose. :biggrin:

[TunaMelt]

I think she has one shot, and it'll be up to Lyon to convince her. I really do believe because the OC has been allowed to get away with virtually everything all her life, and because her *role models* are people who taught her how to lie and deflect responsibility, on some level she simply does not get the depth of the doo-doo she's standing in. She is a child emotionally, and children do not automatically understand situations as adults do.

I think her one shot is to have a light-bulb moment with Lyon in which she gains an understanding of how the best anyone on earth can do for her is try to spare her from being put to death. She has to be made to understand no one can get her out of this, like her family has always covered for her in the past. Baez is not mommy or daddy, and this situation isn't the same as the scrapes she's been in in the past.

I think inside this process, Lyon has to point out the disservice Baez has done by allowing Casey to continue to live in a fantasy world. Baez is as bad for her as her parents. That will be perhaps the most difficult sell, imo, because Casey has put all her eggs in that clown's basket. Only time will tell whether Baez and Lyon will end up working at cross purposes with Casey.

If Casey doesn't accept her real situation vs. the situation she thought she had and that Baez promoted to her, she blows her one shot. imo

Well put.
:thumbsup:

[Barbara fl.]

Aside from all of us? Don't know about you, but I put an attorney on retainer the same day I found out I was a fat, lazy blogger ... :lol:

:sneaky:




Maybe we should file a class action suit......:biggrin:

[Imperfect4]

Wow that is a tough one.... its just everytime I listen to JB , I end up coaching him throughout every sentence.

Spit it out JB.
Get to the point JB.
Just say it JB.

I am exhausted by the time he gets thru two minutes with Strickland. Is she atleast a fluent screecher? I might be able to handle that better.

She seems to try to let no one else get a word in edgewise ... in some circles that's probably considered "fluent." ("Effluent" might be a better term. :laugh:)

I'll have to add laptop and TV set guards to my list of supplies for the trial. I have a tendency to throw things. :w00t:

[sunstar]

As far as I know, Zanny's dog has yet to seek council.

:laugh: Good one! And we know Zanny exists because the dog does ~ so does Zanny have counsel yet?

[Tornado]

:lol: Oh, my friend, I guess you've never seen LKB in action either? You're in for a big treat! Bring your earplugs though.

When she first came on, I had seen her face before but I have never heard her. Spector was not a trial that I followed, the guy gave me the creeps to look at.

[101Spots]

Hi again :seeya:

What delicious morsels of information have I missed out on while stuffing my face with spinach and avocado?

Poster's Commandment #6: Thou shalt learn to multitask, lest ye miss all the fun.


:biggrin:

[Barbara fl.]

:laugh: Perhaps one of the junior attorneys at M&M could take that little white Pomeranian mix on as a client ... :rolleyes:


I love it....your the best......can not top that....:laugh:

[Imperfect4]

Maybe we should file a class action suit......:biggrin:

Maybe we should. :sneaky:

I've got Morgan's phone number memorized. :wub:

[TunaMelt]

LE was wrong. I really did work at Universal.

:lol:

That is so funny.

My mouth hurts from laughing.:thumbsup:

[Barbara fl.]

When she first came on, I had seen her face before but I have never heard her. Spector was not a trial that I followed, the guy gave me the creeps to look at.



I followed the PS case buty not too long on the board....I kept getting banned....:laugh:

[ConchGirl]

Aside from all of us? Don't know about you, but I put an attorney on retainer the same day I found out I was a fat, lazy blogger ... :lol:

:sneaky:

Speaking of fat & lazy do you think G & C have noticed the model inmate Anthony's expansion?

[MDdetective]

OK, I can understand that since she's the DQ attorney, but I can't see Casey putting her life in anyone's hands but her dearly beloved Jose. :biggrin:

I think someone's hungry for icecream....I think you're correct. Casey has been lead by JB (or vice versa) for almost a year now. I don't think she will listen to anyone else at this point.

[Tornado]

She seems to try to let no one else get a word in edgewise ... in some circles that's probably considered "fluent." ("Effluent" might be a better term. :laugh:)

I'll have to add laptop and TV set guards to my list of supplies for the trial. I have a tendency to throw things. :w00t:

Great, JB makes me want to drink at 10 am. LKB is going to make me want to smoke even more than I do. Before anyone even starts to tell me what the effects that AL is going to have on my psych, I am going to need therapy. Someone hold my hand..... I'm scared.

[Imperfect4]

Speaking of fat & lazy do you think G & C have noticed the model inmate Anthony's expansion?

No doubt. You know how preoccupied they are with that sort of thang. Always on the lookout for "10's."

Cindy has reorganized the OC's clothing by size. She's selecting her courtroom attire from the Size 0 end of the closet. :sneaky:

George: "Hi, g-g-g-gggorgeous ...?"

[court~critic1®]

:lol: Oh, my friend, I guess you've never seen LKB in action either? You're in for a big treat! Bring your earplugs though.


Also don't forget to have lots of "barf bags" near...... and I do mean lots.......:sneaky:

[Imperfect4]

:sad: but. . .but. . .my back hurt! And I had to fill up my bird feeders. And put a load of laundry in. And my butt was asleep from sitting here for five hours!

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

:laugh:

[101Spots]

:sad: but. . .but. . .my back hurt! And I had to fill up my bird feeders. And put a load of laundry in. And my butt was asleep from sitting here for five hours!

Laptop. iPhone. Whatever works, baby!

[Barbara fl.]

This is too funny. When I was watching him at this last hearing I basically did the same thing.
I was saying, "well come on" and "just say it."
He was driving me crazy. He was pausing for the longest time. Then when he finally had something to say he kept looking down and reading off a paper the entire time. (even reciting case law)
I notice the prosecution table looked as if they were trying to hold back a judgemental look in front of the camera's. (simply green)hammer
JMO

Plane and simple...Baez is an idiot......no way is this team going to allow him to say one word during the trial....I'll bet my life that him and Conway are going to be sitting in the corner watching......

[sunstar]

When she first came on, I had seen her face before but I have never heard her. Spector was not a trial that I followed, the guy gave me the creeps to look at.

I'd seen her on Court tv but never trying a case until Spector's 1st trial. I wasn't that impressed, mainly because she gave an opening statement listing many things that science would prove at the trial and after it was over most of these things weren't even addressed. She uses notebooks and reads questions from them. :smile:

[Imperfect4]

:lol: Roaring over that one. Well, I'll shut up now. :wink:

I'm a pretty good multi-tasker, but I've discovered I cannot maintain my fat, lazy blogging activity while in the shower. So I'll see y'all a bit later.

:seeya:

[Tornado]

This is too funny. When I was watching him at this last hearing I basically did the same thing.
I was saying, "well come on" and "just say it."
He was driving me crazy. He was pausing for the longest time. Then when he finally had something to say he kept looking down and reading off a paper the entire time. (even reciting case law)
I notice the prosecution table looked as if they were trying to hold back a judgemental look in front of the camera's. (simply green)hammer
JMO

I realize that my lack of patience is serious, but it is just painful for me to listen to.

I caught the prosecutions demeanor as well, the comment about JB's commercial was hilarious.

[Sandy001]

OK, I can understand that since she's the DQ attorney, but I can't see Casey putting her life in anyone's hands but her dearly beloved Jose. :biggrin: I don't either, particularly since I think she manipulated him

[ConchGirl]

I'm a pretty good multi-tasker, but I've discovered I cannot maintain my fat, lazy blogging activity while in the shower. So I'll see y'all a bit later.

:seeya:

Casey must be so envious. What's up with this girl and showers. We just found remains of a child and Casey says can I take a shower to make me feel better. :confused:

[sunstar]

I think someone's hungry for icecream....I think you're correct. Casey has been lead by JB (or vice versa) for almost a year now. I don't think she will listen to anyone else at this point.

It must be you who wants ice cream since you saw Dairy Queen in my Death Qualified abbreviation!! :biggrin: I could actually see her firing anyone who gets in between her and Jose. MOO

[Tornado]

my post

Nevermind, Tuna, I'm catching up.

I wish you guys would stop posting for ten minutes, I'd like to be part of this game!!!
I'm so far behind I think I'm first!

Run, Lizzster, run...

[sunstar]

Casey must be so envious. What's up with this girl and showers. We just found remains of a child and Casey says can I take a shower to make me feel better. :confused:

It seems finding the remains may have reminded her of the stench of the car trunk or handling the bags containing Caylee's body so she felt she needed to clean up. I still wonder why she went to Jessie's for that impromptu shower that he said she didn't need. Where did she just come from or what had she been doing?

[Angel Eye]

If Casey decides to tell the truth now or before the trail starts what would become of the case at this point? Would she still need all the lawyers to represent her, would she still have to go to trail and let the jurors verdict her or would the case close and the judge would decide her sentencing? (Although she has proclaimed she is innocent to this day I am curious as to what would happen should she confess now). JMO

[Scampi]

Can her juvie mental health issues be brought up in court?

I think casey anthony could give her consent for those records to be unsealed, if any exist.

[MDdetective]

It must be you who wants ice cream since you saw Dairy Queen in my Death Qualified abbreviation!! :biggrin: I could actually see her firing anyone who gets in between her and Jose. MOO

umm.. DUH....Death Qualified. I feel a little silly now. Thanks for the lesson :blushing:

[MDdetective]

Casey gives her gum one final, loud smack, spits it out in her hand and says (to the attendant), "Give this to my mom will ya?


(cmon guys we could have some fun with this one :tonguewag:)

"Does this electric chair make my butt look big???"

[101Spots]

If Casey decides to tell the truth now or before the trail starts what would become of the case at this point? Would she still need all the lawyers to represent her, would she still have to go to trail and let the jurors verdict her or would the case close and the judge would decide her sentencing? (Although she has proclaimed she is innocent to this day I am curious as to what would happen should she confess now). JMO

I believe if Casey confesses to LE, then they would still have to hold a trial. The confession could be entered as evidence, I think.

If she pled "Guilty" she would avoid a trial. This usually comes with an agreement with the prosecution on the sentence.

Two different matters.

[sunstar]

umm.. DUH....Death Qualified. I feel a little silly now. Thanks for the lesson :blushing:

It's ok! It does sound good! :smile:

[ConchGirl]

"Does this electric chair make my butt look big???"

Bella vita :laugh:

[sunstar]

Yeah because Jose is all :loveeyes: and :drool:

I could see that too but I also wouldn't underestimate AL's capability to get reality across to her. Even and Odious Creature will feel stark terror if they feel their life is at stake. I am hoping that AL's presence will totally undermine the sick little cult OC and JB have going on.

If she can be as nasty to witnesses as people say, then she has it in her to take Casey by the ear and say, "LISTEN YOU! DO YOU WANT TO DIE??? BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS YOU DO EXACTLY LIKE I SAY!"

If she can't get through to OC, then she will lose the case, imo. She might even walk away first before getting fired. IDK, but I can't imagine things continuing on the way they have been in this case as long as AL is part of it. JMO
I think she would've listened to someone like Lenamon more, because he's a man. She might see her mother in Lyons ~ controlling, domineering, etc. and totally resent her. The one photo posted here from the hearing almost said it all. Casey does not like her, imo.

[sunstar]

"Does this electric chair make my butt look big???"

She'd never select execution by Ol' Sparkey. :wink:

[Tornado]

Sounds like somebody needs a time-out in the cranky corner :laugh:

See what I mean, this is what JB does to me. Right now I am holding off an anxiety attack just thinking about it.

[ttcRider]

umm.. DUH....Death Qualified. I feel a little silly now. Thanks for the lesson :blushing:

Not to worry, I still think KFC when I see KFN :blushing:

[Angel Eye]

I believe if Casey confesses to LE, then they would still have to hold a trial. The confession could be entered as evidence, I think.

If she pled "Guilty" she would avoid a trial. This usually comes with an agreement with the prosecution on the sentence.

Two different matters.


Thanks for responding spot and Talamoth.

So if she pled guilty or confessed either one would spare her from DP?

[MissouriGMom]

Not to worry, I still think KFC when I see KFN :blushing:

I'm glad you posted that. So do I. Every time I see KFN I think of :chicken:

[MDdetective]

OMG!! :thumbsup: Excellent. Now THAT'S what I'm talking about. That was funny MD. It's always nice to throw a bit of humor into these gruesome case studies. It can get so morbid and sad.

You know Talamoth, you're right. This case is the first one I have followed from the beginning in real~time so to speak. There is so much about it that rips my heart out I can't even begin to tell ya.
Sunstar made a great point in her post #573 about Casey wanting to wash off the memory of Caylee and what she did to her. I don't think anyone of us will ever forget the details.

[Amy]

I think Lyon will tell Casey that the nanny defense just won't float and that they have no where else to go because there's no way to keep it out after she gave a statement about it. No matter what defense they come up with the detectives will testify about Zanny. I believe even ZG is scheduled to testify. I'm wondering if Baez will allow Lyon's to have any alone time with Casey for fear of what will happen if she ever realizes the corner he helped her back herself into. Baez is counting on HIS day in court.

After she gave statements about the nanny. For the love of pete, I can't understand where either Casey OR Jose thinks having 2 different versions of the nanny is going to work in any way @ all. Of course, she did have to come up w/the second version once LE pointed out the parts of the first version that were outright lies and wouldn't work for her. Of course, I think her second version was even zanier (pun intended) than the first version.

She would have been better off to have kept her trap shut. What I'm waiting for with bated breath is what Jose says we will understand when we hear what REALLY happened!!!! I do wonder, tho, why he would not think the prosecutors would also understand. Get the confession over and let them understand why Casey killed Caylee so they can reduce charges, or, as it seems Jose would believe--get her off entirely.

I have just never understood the statement by defense lawyers about the innocence of the client, and they have the evidence yet they let their client whither away in jail, awaiting a trial--and this wait seems to be getting longer, and thru the efforts of Jose, IMO--when all they would need to do is turn over the evidence that would clear their client.

The only reason I could think for this is that the defense attorney wants all the money he can get--altho, as in the SP case, the money supposedly ran out before the trial, and it wasn't "for years." Or is afraid that his "high profile" status will fade into the darkness and wants to keep it out there for as long as he can for the attention.

But, IMO, as with the SP case, there will be no startling information forthcoming. The lawyer will forget to put on a case that would even come close to revealing the evidence why the perp is innocent.

And, as an innocent person, I would be mightily po'd @ sitting there in jail whist my lawyer sat on evidence that could get me out TODAY!!! I guess the reason SP sat there and Casey Anthony sits there is, they KNOW there is no such evidence, they KNOW they are guilty. IMO

[Angel Eye]

Yes, i think so. But I think she would only plead guilty or confess to aggravated manslaughter or some such thing - never to Murder 1.

Ok, thanks Talamoth

[jammies]

:laugh: Good one! And we know Zanny exists because the dog does ~ so does Zanny have counsel yet?



Does the dog?

[Scampi]

After reading this post, (bolded above by me) I HAD to jump in here to tell you how MUCH I :wub: and admire your "turn of phrase!" It's a GIFT!

I laughed out loud at another clever phrasing by you yesterday - the "roto-rooter" in regards to the "back up of doc dumps." Just CLEVER, I tell ya!

:loveeyes:

I agree with you Miami, Imp has a golden tongue and the descriptions just roll off with ease. Gonna be a joy to go thru the trial with her. :thumbsup:

[sunstar]

I don't think Casey likes her either. But I also think Casey will fear her. Unlike any and every man, she won't be able to manipulate AL. But, you could be quite right. She may well not listen to a thing AL says and, if so, she's probably going to fry.

Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't think the jury will recommend death, with or without Lyons. MOO

[Amy]

Has it ever been stated by the defense that Lyon is now acting as "first chair"? I can't imagine she is the type that would take a back seat behind Biaz. Could be it was her condition for getting on board?

I think the only mention I have heard was in a statement where Lyons indicated she was running the show, then said all the lawyers were "equal." :shrug: Whatever that means. Kind of along the same lines as proclaiming her client is innocent, altho she has not read up on the case.

[Amy]

Lyon, powerhouse that she is, is in for a wake up call when she confronts Casey. Casey isn't cowed by anyone, and Lyon will have her hands full. Even if she really is able to get through to Casey about a plea arrangement, isn't it up to the State's Attorney to agree to that?

Doesn't the offer of a plea agreement have to come from the State? Can the defense go to them and ask for one? TIA

[Tornado]

I just found this interesting site regarding the last words of people executed:

http://crime.about.com/od/anylastwords/Any_Last_Words.htm

I'm wondering what you think the OC's last words might be.

How about, "My life was a waste. Huge waste."?

"Whoa, holdup- give me a minute to tell you the truth...."

[jammies]

You know Talamoth, you're right. This case is the first one I have followed from the beginning in real~time so to speak. There is so much about it that rips my heart out I can't even begin to tell ya.
Sunstar made a great point in her post #573 about Casey wanting to wash off the memory of Caylee and what she did to her. I don't think anyone of us will ever forget the details.


Watch Casey continuously rub her hands together in the courtroom. So telling.....

[Amy]

I have been trying to find this out for days. I'm wondering how much control she will have over JB as well. I read one report that called her the lead attorney but she said she was co-council. Someone has to be in charge.

But, doncha know? CASEY is in charge!!!! :chicken::eek:

[Amy]

Morning Canada!!

Moonie gave us this great link yesterday, in it Lyon tells us exactly what a defense attorney should do in defending someone facing the DP. Very interesting reading.

http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2006/DDEFE.pdf

I agree with you, Lyon will be running this case, but something tells me baez will be kept on and given busy work to keep him out of everyone's hair.......lol.

I'd be thinking of having him to look up things like case law (something he needs to learn to do, and would be good practice for any future cases he may take on, if he is smart enough to figure it out) and leave the writing and presenting of motions to more articulate lawyers, like LKB and Lyons.

[MDdetective]

Not to worry, I still think KFC when I see KFN :blushing:

me toooo !!! :w00t: I thought I was the only one

[Scampi]

I'd be thinking of having him to look up things like case law (something he needs to learn to do, and would be good practice for any future cases he may take on, if he is smart enough to figure it out) and leave the writing and presenting of motions to more articulate lawyers, like LKB and Lyons.

Hi Amy! There is no way on this earth that Lyon is going to allow the incompetent baez to screw up the guilt phase of this trial. Lyon is the lead attorney and as such will direct how this case is tried, in both phases. imo

[MIwatcher]

Still learning the ropes around here, so I was still posting in the Saturday thread :tongueside: until some kind poster directed me here (Thanks!)

I copied what I posted over there...

Something that has nagged at me for a bit...I thought I read that not too long after the car was picked up from Amscot, the Anthony's miracously decided to get a new clothes washer.

WTF? If that doesn't spell "we have something to hide" I don't know what does. Is it possible LE somehow confiscated or found that old washing machine, since I am sure that's the machine that washed Casey's clothes Cindy found in the car.

Any thoughts on this?

[ConchGirl]

I'd be thinking of having him to look up things like case law (something he needs to learn to do, and would be good practice for any future cases he may take on, if he is smart enough to figure it out) and leave the writing and presenting of motions to more articulate lawyers, like LKB and Lyons.

Bolding is mine. Those words do not belong in the same sentence imo.
krect :wink: