Saturday, May 30, 2009

[desmom]

On May 30, 2008:

Amy was in Tallahassee. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Casey told Amy in a text message "I think I broke my toe. I had a dream where I kicked a bad guy and I woke up kicking a table and about crying." http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Casey and Caylee spent the night at Ricardo's. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement

jmo

[Steps]

Good morning! Newbie here! Long time lurker deciding to jump in. Is anyone thinking that Annie might be a large key to the prosecutions case? I have yet to see anything about the police stopping her and a ZG last May. I know that Morgan questioned her and she admitted that she was talking to Casey on the phone at that time, but why didn't he go further and ask if she (Casey) was in another car following her at the time? I believe this ZG that was stopped on that same day was really Casey with a fake ZG ID. Just my own opinions, of course.

[desmom]

Good morning! Newbie here! Long time lurker deciding to jump in. Is anyone thinking that Annie might be a large key to the prosecutions case? I have yet to see anything about the police stopping her and a ZG last May. I know that Morgan questioned her and she admitted that she was talking to Casey on the phone at that time, but why didn't he go further and ask if she (Casey) was in another car following her at the time? I believe this ZG that was stopped on that same day was really Casey with a fake ZG ID. Just my own opinions, of course.

Welcome to the Boards! :seeya: We are always happy to see our lurkers join us!

IMO, Morgan & Morgan already knew the answers to the questions about the traffic ticket. There questions may have been used as a means to check Annie's honesty during the depo.

If the ZG with the ticket was Casey, I am sure it will come out at trial as more proof that Casey is Zanny the Nanny along with George's comment to the FBI about Casey's resume listing her employment as "nanny" beginning in 2006.

jmo

[Steps]

Welcome to the Boards! :seeya: We are always happy to see our lurkers join us!

IMO, Morgan & Morgan already knew the answers to the questions about the traffic ticket. There questions may have been used as a means to check Annie's honesty during the depo.

If the ZG with the ticket was Casey, I am sure it will come out at trial as more proof that Casey is Zanny the Nanny along with George's comment to the FBI about Casey's resume listing her employment as "nanny" beginning in 2006.

jmo

Hmmm! Interesting! I had not heard about George's comment to the FBI!! I'm hoping the pros. is holding alot of cards close to the vest!

[Explorer]

Hmmm! Interesting! I had not heard about George's comment to the FBI!! I'm hoping the pros. is holding alot of cards close to the vest!

I think they are. They have it all or they wouldnt have put the DP on the table.

[Explorer]

I think casey anthonys attorneys know this also.

[desmom]

Hmmm! Interesting! I had not heard about George's comment to the FBI!! I'm hoping the pros. is holding alot of cards close to the vest!

It shocked me too! IMO, the "nanny" job on Casey's resume is one more clue to the true identity of Zanny the Nanny.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18031958/detail.html

"I found a resume that my daughter had typed all the way to 2006, and my daughter showed that she was employed, which I know she was from 2004 to 2006, either through Universal or Colorvision (or another company). That I can verify. I know that because we've met these people that she worked with -- or my wife has -- I've talked to them over the phone," George Anthony said in the August interview. "At 2006, she wrote down -- or typed out in her nice resume -- nanny."

[ellegna]

Good morning! Newbie here! Long time lurker deciding to jump in. Is anyone thinking that Annie might be a large key to the prosecutions case? I have yet to see anything about the police stopping her and a ZG last May. I know that Morgan questioned her and she admitted that she was talking to Casey on the phone at that time, but why didn't he go further and ask if she (Casey) was in another car following her at the time? I believe this ZG that was stopped on that same day was really Casey with a fake ZG ID. Just my own opinions, of course.


Good morning Steps
Welcome Welcome

I believe Annie knows a great deal more than what she has revealed so far. I wish Morgan asked her specifically if she has additional knowledge or info about Casey she has not shared because the correct question has not been asked? Did that make sense? :laugh:
There are many theories out there about the traffic tickets but here's one good one.
Zannie and Annie go to court (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing%E2%80%99s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/)

[joolz]

It shocked me too! IMO, the "nanny" job on Casey's resume is one more clue to the true identity of Zanny the Nanny.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18031958/detail.html

"I found a resume that my daughter had typed all the way to 2006, and my daughter showed that she was employed, which I know she was from 2004 to 2006, either through Universal or Colorvision (or another company). That I can verify. I know that because we've met these people that she worked with -- or my wife has -- I've talked to them over the phone," George Anthony said in the August interview. "At 2006, she wrote down -- or typed out in her nice resume -- nanny."


Typical Anthony "embellishment," the kind that always sends up a red flag that screams "mistruth, mistruth!" George can't just simply say (lie) "I know she worked at Universal because Cindy spoke to the people there." He has to add, "I've talked to them over the phone."

No, George, you never talked to them over the phone unless you, like your daughter, have invisible people in your life. Such an easy "mistruth" to bust. :rolleyes:

[apothecary]

Good morning Steps
Welcome Welcome

I believe Annie knows a great deal more than what she has revealed so far. I wish Morgan asked her specifically if she has additional knowledge or info about Casey she has not shared because the correct question has not been asked? Did that make sense? :laugh:
There are many theories out there about the traffic tickets but here's one good one.
Zannie and Annie go to court (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing%E2%80%99s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/)
There has to be some validity to the Zannie-Annie traffic incident or Morgan would not have even brought it up.Why would he ask a question that he knew to untrue.Had to have happened in my opinion

[jammies]

Typical Anthony "embellishment," the kind that always sends up a red flag that screams "mistruth, mistruth!" George can't just simply say (lie) "I know she worked at Universal because Cindy spoke to the people there." He has to add, "I've talked to them over the phone."

No, George, you never talked to them over the phone unless you, like your daughter, have invisible people in your life. Such an easy "mistruth" to bust. :rolleyes:


He's MET those people OR OR OR his wife has?????

So which one is it, George? :sneaky:

[ellegna]

There has to be some validity to the Zannie-Annie traffic incident or Morgan would not have even brought it up.Why would he ask a question that he knew to untrue.Had to have happened in my opinion

I agree
This Zanny person paid her violation in person. She had to have had signed forms/documents. Copy of this person's handwriting compared to Casey's maybe?

[Explorer]

He's MET those people OR OR OR his wife has?????

So which one is it, George? :sneaky:

Just a few more people from Anthonyland.

[joolz]

He's MET those people OR OR OR his wife has?????

So which one is it, George? :sneaky:

"Both." "Neither." "I never said that."

Remember Cindy's priceless, "Caylee talked about a dog; if there's a dog, there has to be a Zanny"?

George's version: "If there's a phone, Cindy must have talked to Casey's co-workers."

So many mistruths, so little time.:sneaky: jmo

[Explorer]

"Both." "Neither." "I never said that."

Remember Cindy's priceless, "Caylee talked about a dog; if there's a dog, there has to be a Zanny"?

George's version: "If there's a phone, Cindy must have talked to Casey's co-workers."

So many mistruths, so little time.:sneaky: jmo

3 year old dont say people have a dog. They call the dog by name. I just dont get it when cindy says Caylee talked about Zannys dog.

[msgatorslayer]

Typical Anthony "embellishment," the kind that always sends up a red flag that screams "mistruth, mistruth!" George can't just simply say (lie) "I know she worked at Universal because Cindy spoke to the people there." He has to add, "I've talked to them over the phone."

No, George, you never talked to them over the phone unless you, like your daughter, have invisible people in your life. Such an easy "mistruth" to bust. :rolleyes:

Actually, he's talking about between 2004-2006. Course, he can lie and say that HE can verify that. LE has already verified it. Casey really did work during that time frame, lol.

[Steps]

I can not figure out why Biaz and company would want to stick with the Nanny-did-it defense!! Could it be that he is telling her that it won't "float" and she is being typical Casey and sticking with this lie! Also I'm hoping that the new DP attorney is trying to convince Casey that her only hope of saving her life is to give up the lies about ZG. One more thing, can Biaz during trial just throw out accusations about someone else killing Caylee, such as Jesse without presenting some kind of proof. It doesn't seem like a judge could allow that.

[msgatorslayer]

3 year old dont say people have a dog. They call the dog by name. I just dont get it when cindy says Caylee talked about Zannys dog.

In the process of trying to save her Daughter, Cindy has became a bumbling idiot.

I wonder, as she sits back and watches her TIVO episodes of herself, if she ever, just a tad bit, squirms, and says to herlself, "OMG, I can't believe I said that".:rolleyes:

[Explorer]

I can not figure out why Biaz and company would want to stick with the Nanny-did-it defense!! Could it be that he is telling her that it won't "float" and she is being typical Casey and sticking with this lie! Also I'm hoping that the new DP attorney is trying to convince Casey that her only hope of saving her life is to give up the lies about ZG. One more thing, can Biaz during trial just throw out accusations about someone else killing Caylee, such as Jesse without presenting some kind of proof. It doesn't seem like a judge could allow that.

Thats what I wonder about. Jesse isnt a suspect. At trial what happens when they try to implicate Jesse?

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone! I know Morgan asked Annie if she ever gave casey any xanax and of course the answer was no. But, he should have also asked if it was possible that casey stole a pill or two from her. Especially since she spent so much time with her when she lived at Sawgrass.

I think the reason Annie has an attorney is because of the xanax questions.

[Explorer]

When CaA went over to jesses to "take a shower" Im worried that she took hair from the drain and somehow figured she would use it to implicate Jesse.

[sammy62]

In the process of trying to save her Daughter, Cindy has became a bumbling idiot.

I wonder, as she sits back and watches her TIVO episodes of herself, if she ever, just a tad bit, squirms, and says to herlself, "OMG, I can't believe I said that".:rolleyes:

IIRC....Cindy told Larry King she doesn't regret anything she has done.

Geez...I'm only up 15 minutes and already regret not staying in bed. lol

[Explorer]

Another thing when she called Jesse when she ran out of gas I think she was trying to get his prints on the car and gas can.

[msgatorslayer]

Good morning everyone! I know Morgan asked Annie if she ever gave casey any xanax and of course the answer was no. But, he should have also asked if it was possible that casey stole a pill or two from her. Especially since she spent so much time with her when she lived at Sawgrass.

I think the reason Annie has an attorney is because of the xanax questions.

Morning, Reggie.

I think Casey stole all kinds of things from friends through the years. ITA, Morgan should have asked if it was possible for Casey to steal meds from her. Or if anything of hers had gotten stolen while Casey was around. Does she suspect Casey of stealing from her?

[msgatorslayer]

IIRC....Cindy told Larry King she doesn't regret anything she has done.

Geez...I'm only up 15 minutes and already regret not staying in bed. lol

She would say that, lol.

[Steps]

When CaA went over to jesses to "take a shower" Im worried that she took hair from the drain and somehow figured she would use it to implicate Jesse.

Or possibly she was running low on money and was going to make him her next theft victim. What a shame, the only positive man in Casey's life, and the Anthony's will throw him under the bus in a heartbeat. I believe Cindy was the first to point the finger at Jesse in one of her interviews!

[Explorer]

Or possibly she was running low on money and was going to make him her next theft victim. What a shame, the only positive man in Casey's life, and the Anthony's will throw him under the bus in a heartbeat. I believe Cindy was the first to point the finger at Jesse in one of her interviews!

Yes that too. In her sick mind I think she wants to destroy Jesse because he is the ONLY stable person she has ever known.

[Explorer]

She treated\ treats Jesse and his family like dirt.

[AMS]

In the process of trying to save her Daughter, Cindy has became a bumbling idiot.

I wonder, as she sits back and watches her TIVO episodes of herself, if she ever, just a tad bit, squirms, and says to herlself, "OMG, I can't believe I said that".:rolleyes:

Good morning - my guess is that she would direct her anger at the reporter or interviewer. They asked the wrong question or tried to trick her, etc. I don't think she would ever admit, evn to herself, she has become a bumbling idiot. :blink:

imo

[Explorer]

I bet the Grunds are thanking the Good Lord above that Jesse never married her.

[Steps]

She treated\ treats Jesse and his family like dirt.

It's a shame that everyone who has as much as "rubbed up" against Casey has to get "lawyered up" to protect themselves!

[AMS]

When CaA went over to jesses to "take a shower" Im worried that she took hair from the drain and somehow figured she would use it to implicate Jesse.

And didn't Henry Lee claim he found extra fingernails, oops, I mean hairs, in the trunk of her car? :sneaky:


imo

[Scampi]

Morning, Reggie.

I think Casey stole all kinds of things from friends through the years. ITA, Morgan should have asked if it was possible for Casey to steal meds from her. Or if anything of hers had gotten stolen while Casey was around. Does she suspect Casey of stealing from her?



Hiya Msgator. I think it is very possible that Morgan stayed away from putting certain questions and answers on the record, because of Annie's testimony in the upcoming criminal trial of the OC.

I agree with those who think there is much more to Downing's information about the OC and it ain't good.

[Explorer]

And didn't Henry Lee claim he found extra fingernails, oops, I mean hairs, in the trunk of her car? :sneaky:


imo

YES! and if those hairs belong to Jesse we know exactly what happened!

[msgatorslayer]

I bet the Grunds are thanking the Good Lord above that Jesse never married her.

:thumbsup: I bet they are!

[Explorer]

:thumbsup: I bet they are!

What if she got mad at jesse and they had a child? Perish the thought.

[Steps]

And didn't Henry Lee claim he found extra fingernails, oops, I mean hairs, in the trunk of her car? :sneaky:


imo

It doesn't matter if he found 10 or 400. People shed hair constantly. The bad news for the defense is one of those hairs came from a decomposing body. I'm sure I have shed hairs all over my car, but none of them have a "death band" around them! Henry Lee lost all credibility with me during Spector I.

[Explorer]

It doesn't matter if he found 10 or 400. People shed hair constantly. The bad news for the defense is one of those hairs came from a decomposing body. I'm sure I have shed hairs all over my car, but none of them have a "death band" around them! Henry Lee lost all credibility with me during Spector I.

Yes Yes he did lose credibility.

[msgatorslayer]

It doesn't matter if he found 10 or 400. People shed hair constantly. The bad news for the defense is one of those hairs came from a decomposing body. I'm sure I have shed hairs all over my car, but none of them have a "death band" around them! Henry Lee lost all credibility with me during Spector I.

Right on! Even George must think it's some damaging evidence. He did get all mad in front of a camera and said something about the body not being that of his Daughters. He goofed, in a fit of anger, and mis-spoke.

[Explorer]

It doesn't matter if he found 10 or 400. People shed hair constantly. The bad news for the defense is one of those hairs came from a decomposing body. I'm sure I have shed hairs all over my car, but none of them have a "death band" around them! Henry Lee lost all credibility with me during Spector I.

I hope LE had a camera on him the entire time he was inspecting that car.

[*MoonRider*]

GM all. :seeya: Here's what Jesse's dad wrote on Twitter last night.
"Liars lie without batting an eye or wondering why its wrong to do so. It will be no wonder why the metal doors shut behind them. Clank click" http://twitter.com/swordsedge

What a shame. Both he and Jesse were supportive of the OC until the hand family threw them under the bus. :angry:

[lizzard]

Morning, all. :seeya:

Welcome, Steps, thanks for joining us. You have some great ideas and insight. :thumbup:

[Explorer]

GM all. :seeya: Here's what Jesse's dad wrote on Twitter last night.
"Liars lie without batting an eye or wondering why its wrong to do so. It will be no wonder why the metal doors shut behind them. Clank click" http://twitter.com/swordsedge

What a shame. Both he and Jesse were supportive of the OC until the hand family threw them under the bus. :angry:

I think the Grunds should be happy they got out with the shirts on their back.

[Explorer]

There is a reason why the anthonys dont like the Grunds. They are jealous. They WISH they had a functional family like the Grunds.

[msgatorslayer]

There is a reason why the anthonys dont like the Grunds. They are jealous. They WISH they had a functional family like the Grunds.

The Grund's are a good family. While I doubt it will ever happen, I think both Sr and Jr Grund would get on the stand during the penalty phase and plead for Casey's life. Even after her family has done nothing but try to throw them under the bus. That's just the type of people I see them as being.

[cassidy]

In the process of trying to save her Daughter, Cindy has became a bumbling idiot.

I wonder, as she sits back and watches her TIVO episodes of herself, if she ever, just a tad bit, squirms, and says to herlself, "OMG, I can't believe I said that".:rolleyes:


Doubt it. She thinks she's brilliant, so does George.

JMO

[Explorer]

The Grund's are a good family. While I doubt it will ever happen, I think both Sr and Jr Grund would get on the stand during the penalty phase and plead for Casey's life. Even after her family has done nothing but try to throw them under the bus. That's just the type of people I see them as being.

I think your right

[CelticDawn]

Another thing when she called Jesse when she ran out of gas I think she was trying to get his prints on the car and gas can.

I for one...as tight as money is would be MORE THAN HAPPY to contribute to ANY legal assistance that Jesse grund may incur thanks to being ensnared by a pit viper liek Casey and that den of evil that passes itself off as her family.


I think...POOR CAYLEE.....if she hadn't died in such an untimely way....would she have been cursed with growing up in that???....becoming that???....well....we will never know since SHE WAS NOT GIVEN A CHANCE.....


Maybe she was not given a chance because she was innately GOOD????

[CelticDawn]

The Grund's are a good family. While I doubt it will ever happen, I think both Sr and Jr Grund would get on the stand during the penalty phase and plead for Casey's life. Even after her family has done nothing but try to throw them under the bus. That's just the type of people I see them as being.

I don't see them doing that. Although I see them as good people....there comes a time in a situation where even if you're almost Christlike (which nobody I know really is)....you have to let your self-preservation and your rational-self-interest genes take over and WASH YOUR HANDS OF INFECTIOUS FILTH.

[Explorer]

I for one...as tight as money is would be MORE THAN HAPPY to contribute to ANY legal assistance that Jesse grund may incur thanks to being ensnared by a pit viper liek Casey and that den of evil that passes itself off as her family.


I think...POOR CAYLEE.....if she hadn't died in such an untimely way....would she have been cursed with growing up in that???....becoming that???....well....we will never know since SHE WAS NOT GIVEN A CHANCE.....


Maybe she was not given a chance because she was innately GOOD????

Yeah I see your point. Very good insight.

[Bala]

I agree
This Zanny person paid her violation in person. She had to have had signed forms/documents. Copy of this person's handwriting compared to Casey's maybe?

Due you pay traffic tickets in the court house. Wouldn't there be video tape survalece. Maybe a video of Casey paying Zeneida's ticket.

[Explorer]

I don't see them doing that. Although I see them as good people....there comes a time in a situation where even if you're almost Christlike (which nobody I know really is)....you have to let your self-preservation and your rational-self-interest genes take over and WASH YOUR HANDS OF INFECTIOUS FILTH.

Infectious Filth. Yep you nailed it.

[lizzard]

And didn't Henry Lee claim he found extra fingernails, oops, I mean hairs, in the trunk of her car? :sneaky:


imo
Henry Lee has no credibility anymore. Fingernails, catchup ((too much blood!!"), phony accent, now magically appearing hairs.

IMO

[Explorer]

Henry Lee has no credibility anymore. Fingernails, catchup ((too much blood!!"), phony accent, now magically appearing hairs.

IMO

I dont even see him on tv that much anymore. After that fingernail thing I dont think anyone wants him.

[Scampi]

I don't see them doing that. Although I see them as good people....there comes a time in a situation where even if you're almost Christlike (which nobody I know really is)....you have to let your self-preservation and your rational-self-interest genes take over and WASH YOUR HANDS OF INFECTIOUS FILTH.

Love that term INFECTIOUS FILTH.

If the OC comes clean and repents, I can see the Grunds testifying for the defense in the penalty (mitigation) phase on her behalf.

If she keeps lying then it's an eye for an eye, baby.

BTW, Marc Klaas called christopher coleman an "odious" character last night on NG.

[Explorer]

In his field of work credibility is everything and he doesnt have it.

[Lapis]

Due you pay traffic tickets in the court house. Wouldn't there be video tape survalece. Maybe a video of Casey paying Zeneida's ticket.

Usually traffic tickets are paid outside the courtroom at a "cashier's office" rarely are there surveillance in these areas. If there were they would probably be aimed at employees to see if there was any stealing going on. Traffic tickets in NJ are paid at the municipal court. Municipalities rarely have the money for state of the art surveillance. Maybe someone in Florida who has recieved a ticket can enlighten us as to the process in Florida. You need not admit you violation or the you can blame the ticket on someone else. JMO

[Bala]

Good morning everyone! I know Morgan asked Annie if she ever gave casey any xanax and of course the answer was no. But, he should have also asked if it was possible that casey stole a pill or two from her. Especially since she spent so much time with her when she lived at Sawgrass.

I think the reason Annie has an attorney is because of the xanax questions.

I've often wondered if Casey telling Annie about wanting to commit herself had anything to do with her knowing Annie had Xanax and hoping she'd give her some. Casey may have been using them on Caylee. Maybe the question Morgan should have asked is did you ever sell Casey any Xanax?

[CelticDawn]

Love that term INFECTIOUS FILTH.

If the OC comes clean and repents, I can see the Grunds testifying for the defense in the penalty (mitigation) phase on her behalf.

If she keeps lying then it's an eye for an eye, baby.

BTW, Marc Klaas called christopher coleman an "odious" character last night on NG.

casey come clean and repent???


That girl would try to bargain and haggle with God himself....The Grunds HAVE TO know her at least that well....to know that any confession or repentance is just a farce .....a trick ....even to INSULT THE INTELLIGENCE OF GOD HIMSELF.....

cindy tries it..

"Dont tell me I can't pray" :lol:


FAIL!!!

[Explorer]

I for one...as tight as money is would be MORE THAN HAPPY to contribute to ANY legal assistance that Jesse grund may incur thanks to being ensnared by a pit viper liek Casey and that den of evil that passes itself off as her family.


I think...POOR CAYLEE.....if she hadn't died in such an untimely way....would she have been cursed with growing up in that???....becoming that???....well....we will never know since SHE WAS NOT GIVEN A CHANCE.....


Maybe she was not given a chance because she was innately GOOD????

Could you imagine that . I can see the headlines Fat Lazy No Life Dont Know Unconditional Love Bloggers set up legal defense fund for innocent victim of anthony vipers.

[jakee]

Henry Lee has no credibility anymore. Fingernails, catchup ((too much blood!!"), phony accent, now magically appearing hairs.

IMO


Good morning all,

If Henry Lee takes the stand, can the pros. bring up all this? He did get in trouble over the fingernail correct?

[CelticDawn]

Good morning all,

If Henry Lee takes the stand, can the pros. bring up all this? He did get in trouble over the fingernail correct?

Yes....on cross....goes to credibility

[Bala]

Good morning all,

If Henry Lee takes the stand, can the pros. bring up all this? He did get in trouble over the fingernail correct?

I must have somehow missed this. Can someone explain what happened? I had no idea Lee discredited himself.

[CelticDawn]

Could you imagine that . I can see the headlines Fat Lazy No Life Dont Know Unconditional Love Bloggers set up legal defense fund for innocent victim of anthony vipers.


I love it....and would gladly have my real name associated with these fat lazy no life dont know unconditional love (maggot-infested) bloggers.

[jakee]

Yes....on cross....goes to credibility

oooooh Thank you! Good!

[Explorer]

I love it....and would gladly have my real name associated with these fat lazy no life dont know unconditional love (maggot-infested) bloggers.

I'm in:biggrin:

[CelticDawn]

I must have somehow missed this. Can someone explain what happened? I had no idea Lee discredited himself.

http://crime.about.com/b/2007/05/25/judge-dr-henry-lee-hid-evidence.htm

http://web1.courttv.com/trials/spector/052307_ctv.html

http://www.pr-inside.com/renowned-forensic-scientist-henry-lee-s-r135283.htm

[Steps]

Due you pay traffic tickets in the court house. Wouldn't there be video tape survalece. Maybe a video of Casey paying Zeneida's ticket.

I know here in the Buckeye state if you are not contesting your ticket you can call the police department and they will tell you the amount you owe and it can be mailed in. I found this out the "hard way". 64 and got my first ticket last year!! (sigh)

[*MoonRider*]

Don't know if some of you were here yesterday when Lapis made the connection that Lyon & Baden both attended Rutgers University, are close to the same age. Lapis thinks that LKB may have brought her on board. Don't have the link but it was in yesterdays thread.

[CelticDawn]

I know here in the Buckeye state if you are not contesting your ticket you can call the police department and they will tell you the amount you owe and it can be mailed in. I found this out the "hard way". 64 and got my first ticket last year!! (sigh)

Unless its like down here....If the judge hasnt demanded to see you due to excessive tickets or a really outrageous offense....you can go online and pay via any credit card....it doesnt matter whose credit card either....as long as you have the ticket number and the card goes through.

[joolz]

I'm in:biggrin:

Me too. Unemployed, but happy to give what I can!

If the Anthonys are an example of unconditional love, I'll stick with the other kind.:sneaky:

[Explorer]

Don't know if some of you were here yesterday when Lapis made the connection that Lyon & Baden both attended Rutgers University, are close to the same age. Lapis thinks that LKB may have brought her on board. Don't have the link but it was in yesterdays thread.

Maybe they can get through to the odious creature what shes up against. I think the odious one thinks shes preparing for a rock concert or something.

[Steps]

Unless its like down here....If the judge hasnt demanded to see you due to excessive tickets or a really outrageous offense....you can go online and pay via any credit card....it doesnt matter whose credit card either....as long as you have the ticket number and the card goes through.

Who knows, maybe Zanieda/Casey paid her fine with Cindy's credit card!!:rolleyes:

[Explorer]

Me too. Unemployed, but happy to give what I can!

If the Anthonys are an example of unconditional love, I'll stick with the other kind.:sneaky:

This is what cracks me up, we dont know only CINDY knows unconditional love:rolleyes: I feel like saying yeah but what about CAYLEE?

[CelticDawn]

Who knows, maybe Zannie/Casey paid her fine with Cindy's credit card!!:rolleyes:

Wouldn't that be a gem of a piece of information...!!!

[?noanswer]

Quick question/comment. I wonder had NG not taken the CA case as her pet project and given it so much media exposure if all these attys. would be rushing to be a part of Casey's defense. I have never seen anything like it. A simple case of lies & murder and everyone wants to be a part of making sure Casey is not convicted. I would never have thought that lawyers would have such egos and get a rush out of trying to keep an allegedly guilty person from being convicted. And here sits Baez grinning like a canary that just ate the cat. JMO

[seeing_eye]

Hmmm! Interesting! I had not heard about George's comment to the FBI!! I'm hoping the pros. is holding alot of cards close to the vest!

IMO, the pros are keeping everything close to the vest except for the discovery that has to be released per FL sunshine laws. Notice they don't hold press conferences like the bozo defense lawyers. That's the reason reporters don't "go across the street" and ask questions as Baez suggested. The words "no comment" don't make good news articles.

And welcome out of lurkdom!

[joolz]

This is what cracks me up, we dont know only CINDY knows unconditional love:rolleyes: I feel like saying yeah but what about CAYLEE?


It's a great question. I think if the Anthonys hadn't started their bogus "foundation" with "that little girl's" name in it, Cindy would probably just say, "Caylee who?" :angry:

[CelticDawn]

Quick question/comment. I wonder had NG not taken the CA case as her pet project and given it so much media exposure if all these attys. would be rushing to be a part of Casey's defense. I have never seen anything like it. A simple case of lies & murder and everyone wants to be a part of making sure Casey is not convicted. I would never have thought that lawyers would have such egos and get a rush out of trying to keep an allegedly guilty person from being convicted. And here sits Baez grinning like a canary that just ate the cat. JMO

anybody that needs to be recognized (even if in their own minds) is going to try to get their faces on the Tele....Look at Conway for instance.....He has all the opportunity in the world to stay AWAY from the center ring but yet everytime there is a chance.....HIS FACE IS IN THE PICTURE right by his masters....then there is POOR JOSE....He is so desperate to make his mark and get his "brand out there"(as New Orleans Nagin so stupidly said)....that he is willing to make a complete fool out of himself to do ti.....LKB is so obstinate and contrary that although she knows casey deserves to cook, she wants to be the DEFIANT ONE ...the one to STAND UP....Her NEWEST sickick is anti death penalty and wants another nothch in her gun....another SAVE from the needle....

Its all about recognition....not about the client.

[cassidy]

Quick question/comment. I wonder had NG not taken the CA case as her pet project and given it so much media exposure if all these attys. would be rushing to be a part of Casey's defense. I have never seen anything like it. A simple case of lies & murder and everyone wants to be a part of making sure Casey is not convicted. I would never have thought that lawyers would have such egos and get a rush out of trying to keep an allegedly guilty person from being convicted. And here sits Baez grinning like a canary that just ate the cat. JMO

I'm not so sure that lawyers are beating down doors to get on this case. I think Jose,etal had to do some fairly hard sell to get those extras on board. Look how long it took to get a DP qualified attorney on. And even then, if you read her information, she is more about eliminating the DP than proving the client innocent. Aren't there any DP qualified attorneys in Florida> Or in the Orlando area? They are telling us they "got the best" and maybe they did, of the ones who would even take an interest.

JMO

[*MoonRider*]

It's a great question. I think if the Anthonys hadn't started their bogus "foundation" with "that little girl's" name in it, Cindy would probably just say, "Caylee who?" :angry:

I wonder why Casey is snubbing her parents. I know she didn't want Caylee cremated but come on. Maybe the OC is not happy about the media appearances and the CMA Foundation? The sad part is that when all is said and done and Casey in is prison for LWOP, the only people who will visit her will be her parents. The attorneys will be gone like the wind and all she'll have is a public defender, which imo if she had a public defender from day 31 there would have been no circus.

[Steps]

I'm not so sure that lawyers are beating down doors to get on this case. I think Jose,etal had to do some fairly hard sell to get those extras on board. Look how long it took to get a DP qualified attorney on. And even then, if you read her information, she is more about eliminating the DP than proving the client innocent. Aren't there any DP qualified attorneys in Florida> Or in the Orlando area? They are telling us they "got the best" and maybe they did, of the ones who would even take an interest.

JMO

I agree, Cassidy. The DP attorney is a smart woman. She has signed on just to keep the needle out of Casey's arm. She knows that her client is quilty and will try to get the life sentence. Just my opinion, of course.

[Scampi]

I wonder why Casey is snubbing her parents. I know she didn't want Caylee cremated but come on. Maybe the OC is not happy about the media appearances and the CMA Foundation? The sad part is that when all is said and done and Casey in is prison for LWOP, the only people who will visit her will be her parents. The attorneys will be gone like the wind and all she'll have is a public defender, which imo if she had a public defender from day 31 there would have been no circus.

casey anthony is a twisted female, she murdered Caylee to spite cindy. This female hates her parents and has for a long, long time in my opinion.

I agree that baden brought Lyon into this case. When I think of baden, baez and Lyon, I envision a vintage olive press, with jose as the olive and Linda and Andrea as the press.

[seeing_eye]

When CaA went over to jesses to "take a shower" Im worried that she took hair from the drain and somehow figured she would use it to implicate Jesse.

I really don't think Casey is smart enough to think that far in advance. Remember that she only lives in 5 minute increments. Sort of like my dogs.

ETA: I really don't believe that my dogs think in 5 minute increments - at least they're smart enough to outsmart me most of the time.

[*MoonRider*]

casey anthony is a twisted female, she murdered Caylee to spite cindy. This female hates her parents and has for a long, long time in my opinion.

I agree that baden brought Lyon into this case. When I think of baden, baez and Lyon, I envision a vintage olive press, with jose as the olive and Linda and Andrea as the press.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177180-1.jpg Makes me :chicken:

[Steps]

I really don't think Casey is smart enough to think that far in advance. Remember that she only lives in 5 minute increments. Sort of like my dogs.

I don't think finding Jesse's hair in Casey's car could prove much since they were engaged and has probably been in that car numerous times. Probably MANY of her male friends have shed a few in her car!!

[joolz]

I wonder why Casey is snubbing her parents. I know she didn't want Caylee cremated but come on. Maybe the OC is not happy about the media appearances and the CMA Foundation? The sad part is that when all is said and done and Casey in is prison for LWOP, the only people who will visit her will be her parents. The attorneys will be gone like the wind and all she'll have is a public defender, which imo if she had a public defender from day 31 there would have been no circus.

I think Casey blames Cindy for the fact that she is in jail facing murder charges. Having (unfortunately) been in close proximity with a couple of sociopaths in the past, I can guarantee that if Casey is one - and she certainly seems to have all the traits - her thinking is "if my b**ch mother had never called the cops, NONE of this ever would have happened!" :angry:jmo

[lizzard]

I wonder why Casey is snubbing her parents. I know she didn't want Caylee cremated but come on. Maybe the OC is not happy about the media appearances and the CMA Foundation? The sad part is that when all is said and done and Casey in is prison for LWOP, the only people who will visit her will be her parents. The attorneys will be gone like the wind and all she'll have is a public defender, which imo if she had a public defender from day 31 there would have been no circus.

I'm going to make a wild guess. Lyon has spoken to both parents about a plea, they want the OC to take it, and that has been relayed to her. Just thinkin'.

[joolz]

casey anthony is a twisted female, she murdered Caylee to spite cindy. This female hates her parents and has for a long, long time in my opinion.

I agree that baden brought Lyon into this case. When I think of baden, baez and Lyon, I envision a vintage olive press, with jose as the olive and Linda and Andrea as the press.

That is such a disturbing image on so many levels!:scared::laugh:

[cassidy]

ITA. It will be interesting to see how the case is actually defended. Will they only attack the forensics and circumstancial evidence and maintain that SODDIT? I don't think anyone would believe SODDIT when all evidence points back to the home and the car. Whoever the "other person" was that the defense would claim did it, would have had to have house keys, car keys, etc. That implicates someone in the house. I just can't figure out what their line of defense is actually going to be. Ms. Lyons is mainly there to keep Casey from the DP so she is going to do her redemption thing. But what is the defense strategy going to be apart from attacking LE and evidence cuz that isn't going to work. It won't explain why the child was never reported missing for a month.

IMO that is what will sink Casey. There is no logical excuse for that.

[cassidy]

I'm going to make a wild guess. Lyon has spoken to both parents about a plea, they want the OC to take it, and that has been relayed to her. Just thinkin'.

JMO but I don't think Lyon has even met the parents, nor does she care to. But again that's JMO.

[lizzard]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177180-1.jpg Makes me :chicken:


:scared: MY EYES!!!! :scared:

[Steps]

ITA. It will be interesting to see how the case is actually defended. Will they only attack the forensics and circumstancial evidence and maintain that SODDIT? I don't think anyone would believe SODDIT when all evidence points back to the home and the car. Whoever the "other person" was that the defense would claim did it, would have had to have house keys, car keys, etc. That implicates someone in the house. I just can't figure out what their line of defense is actually going to be. Ms. Lyons is mainly there to keep Casey from the DP so she is going to do her redemption thing. But what is the defense strategy going to be apart from attacking LE and evidence cuz that isn't going to work. It won't explain why the child was never reported missing for a month.

As much as I would love to see this all go to trial, I believe sometime in the future a plea agreement will happen. Once the pros has revealed all the damning evidence we don't know about, the new lawyer will have a come-to-Jesus talk with Casey and Biaz and convince them that there is no believeable defense. To take this to trial could get a "law and order" jury that might give the death penalty. I think Baden and Lyon will have to convince Casey and Biaz though!! My own opinion of course

[*MoonRider*]

As much as I would love to see this all go to trial, I believe sometime in the future a plea agreement will happen. Once the pros has revealed all the damning evidence we don't know about, the new lawyer will have a come-to-Jesus talk with Casey and Biaz and convince them that there is no believeable defense. To take this to trial could get a "law and order" jury that might give the death penalty. I think Baden and Lyon will have to convince Casey and Biaz though!! My own opinion of course

I think there will eventually be a plea as well. Lyon was a public defender in Chicago, representing the lowest of the low with pitiful childhoods. IMO Chicago tends to be much more liberal than Florida where juries have no trouble handing down a death penalty. Her liberal theatrics may not play well here. moo

[Eli]

:scared: MY EYES!!!! :scared:

Good morning lurking for a while

Looks to me like this big lady is already sorry she took the job

[Steps]

Some of us were discussing this same point last night. I also think there might well be a plea deal because this new attorney is no dummie. Unlike Baez, she doesn't give a fig for what is underneath Casey's clothing. She will, therefore, be more easily able to see the obvious guilt - she will have a clearer picture of the whole thing, imo. This is a woman on a mission and a smart one at that. Apparently she is an activist lawyer, passionately against the DP and removing the DP is going to be her only driving force. I think a plea deal is the only way to guarantee that from happening. Look for some friction between Baez and Lyons over a possible plea deal. Imo, Lyons is the voice of reason and sanity entering the case with clear vision and a strong mission. She will see the guilt and probably get the confession. Hopefully. Maybe.

Sorry I missed last evenings discussion. I agree, Lyon is going to have to take the lead away from Biaz if her life is going to be saved. I certainly hope Cindy and George realize what needs to be done, and quit being the fools they have been by sticking with their daughters lies.

[LadyBlue]

casey anthony is a twisted female, she murdered Caylee to spite cindy. This female hates her parents and has for a long, long time in my opinion.

I agree that baden brought Lyon into this case. When I think of baden, baez and Lyon, I envision a vintage olive press, with jose as the olive and Linda and Andrea as the press.

:biggrinjester:

[Steps]

It's been nice chatting with all of you this morning. Thanks for making a "Newbie" welcome. I'm off to spend the day with 2 of my grandchildren. What a shame Casey took that pleasure away from George and Cindy!!

[Dick Tracy]

Happy Saturday..... Seattle weather - into the 80's by this afternoon!!

Does anyone have any information on the NE story about tot mom behind bars vowing to end her life with suicide before the state can get to her?

I know it came from the NE, and I know their reputation. However, I do know that the NE can be fairly accurate in reporting loose details that none of us have ever heard.. At least they don't have "Mutant Martian Babies from Mars" stories or "Murderer Visits His Future Grave Site dressed as a clown" grainy black and white photos on the cover, like those daily rags do.

[shadowdiana]

I'm going to make a wild guess. Lyon has spoken to both parents about a plea, they want the OC to take it, and that has been relayed to her. Just thinkin'.


I guess I just don't understand why so many keep saying she should "take" a plea deal.

She cannot take that which has not been offered..nor will it be offered.
The "deal" comes from the prosecution...and IMO, they have no intention of offering one.
They have all the evidence they need to convict....so there will be no "deal" MOO

[Steps]

So nice to meet you Steps! I'm new too so come back often. Have a wonderful time with your grandkids. No traffic tickets though! :laugh:

Thanks Talamoth! I'll be back. No worry, I have a lighter foot these days!!!:thumbup:

[seeing_eye]

Not to mention that sickening clip we see often where Casey is tearfully saying, "Everything has been taken from me. My entire life has been taken". Or something to that effect. Oh boo hoo. I want to throw up every time I see that. NEVER any mention of Caylee. ONLY self references - weeping for herself only. Sick individual.

My bolding.

Well, not yet it hasn't.

[*MoonRider*]

Good morning! Yeah, she already looks tired and like an unhappy camper. Imo, her and Baez are going to butt heads big time.

From this picture I'm not sure the OC is happy with the new lead attorney imo http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47178962.jpg

[Scampi]

Oh phooeey, Steps left. But, for anyone who hasn't seen this yet, it's the pc after the last hearing. Or, as I like to call it the time and place when Lyon took over this case from jose. :thumbsup:


http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

[Kathlb]

I wonder why Casey is snubbing her parents. I know she didn't want Caylee cremated but come on. Maybe the OC is not happy about the media appearances and the CMA Foundation? The sad part is that when all is said and done and Casey in is prison for LWOP, the only people who will visit her will be her parents. The attorneys will be gone like the wind and all she'll have is a public defender, which imo if she had a public defender from day 31 there would have been no circus.

My personal thoughts on that is that the plan is to throw them under the bus with her defense. And probably Jesse too if they can work it in. If not that Cindy did it, then that she was such a horrible mother and so controlling and finally physically threatening with her choking that last night at home that she caused it all. Casey had to grab her daughter and run for their lives and somehow a horrible accident happened. And Cindy caused it all. There is no other reason for her to tell them not to come even if it's to say Hi, I love you. And to totally ignore them the few times she sees them in court. JMHO

[Dick Tracy]

Good Morning Mr. Tracy. I heard this story and it hasn't been verified to be true. Talking heads say Casey would never say this, that it doesn't fit in with the profile of sociopathic, psychopathic, narcissistic, etc. But who knows? NE has broken a lot of stories that caused a lot of eye rolling at first but turned out to be true. John Edwards comes to mind. . . .


Good Morning, back to you! Great discussion last night on the boards. John Edwards does come to mind. I might have to go to the grocery store, grab a NE and SKIM while I'm waiting for the check-out!!

[shadowdiana]

It is her job to be outraged...:w00t:
And she does have a reputation as a drama queen.
But...she knows what she is doing, and is a sharp woman. She definitely scares me.....if anyone could get the OC off it may be her and her steamroller....:unsure:

[*MoonRider*]

Oh phooeey, Steps left. But, for anyone who hasn't seen this yet, it's the pc after the last hearing. Or, as I like to call it the time and place when Lyon took over this case from jose. :thumbsup:


http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

I do not share your enthusiasm for Ms. Lyon. She clearly is not familiar with Florida law.
"And, just last year, two new and relevant aggravators were added to the law. The victim is younger than 12 and the victim was particularly vulnerable because Casey had authority over Caylee."
http://www.wftv.com/news/19169044/detail.html
The defense team is still whining over the jailhouse video. They want to know why the State put death back on the table? Duh, they found Caylee's body in a garbage bag with duct tape over her mouth.
The death penalty was removed when it appeared they would proceed to trial without a body. IMO, the have a very steep hill to climb to spare Casey's life.

[court~critic1®]

Wow. Thanks so much for posting this. This pc made me nervous. Ms Lyons kept referring to the pros as seeking a tactical advantage. I'm not quite sure what that means. I'm not understanding how Ms Lyons can be so convinced that Casey is innocent if she has not yet learned the case. She seemed to be saying that the circumstances under which the pros filed for the DP are not legal. If so, what would that do to the case? She seemed genuinely outraged. I wonder what that is all about.

My bold........ To this person all killers, child molesters, and etc. are innocent because of their childhood. I am sure she has enough about Caseys childhood to prove her point. Her agenda is to go against the DP. She just doesn't care that the perps gave the victims the DP without a trial. Or an Amazon of a person to give their drama in court.

[MissouriGMom]

Wow. Thanks so much for posting this. This pc made me nervous. Ms Lyons kept referring to the pros as seeking a tactical advantage. I'm not quite sure what that means. I'm not understanding how Ms Lyons can be so convinced that Casey is innocent if she has not yet learned the case. She seemed to be saying that the circumstances under which the pros filed for the DP are not legal. If so, what would that do to the case? She seemed genuinely outraged. I wonder what that is all about.

I think it's all about having a death qualified jury. All the jurors have to be willing to sentence the defendant to the DP. They're usually more likely to convict.

moo

[shadowdiana]

I do not share your enthusiasm for Ms. Lyon. She clearly is not familiar with Florida law.
"And, just last year, two new and relevant aggravators were added to the law. The victim is younger than 12 and the victim was particularly vulnerable because Casey had authority over Caylee."
http://www.wftv.com/news/19169044/detail.html
The defense team is still whining over the jailhouse video. They want to know why the State put death back on the table? Duh, they found Caylee's body in a garbage bag with duct tape over her mouth.
The death penalty was removed when it appeared they would proceed to trial without a body. IMO, the have a very steep hill to climb to spare Casey's life.

I do not believe I said I had any "enthusiasm" for Lyon.
I respect her talents both as a lawyer and a performer, though.
She in no Baez.

[norwood]

I do not share your enthusiasm for Ms. Lyon. She clearly is not familiar with Florida law.
"And, just last year, two new and relevant aggravators were added to the law. The victim is younger than 12 and the victim was particularly vulnerable because Casey had authority over Caylee."
http://www.wftv.com/news/19169044/detail.html
The defense team is still whining over the jailhouse video. They want to know why the State put death back on the table? Duh, they found Caylee's body in a garbage bag with duct tape over her mouth.
The death penalty was removed when it appeared they would proceed to trial without a body. IMO, the have a very steep hill to climb to spare Casey's life.

The aggravtors are there under Florida law.

I also do not think Ms Lyons will find a fairly conservative state like Florida as open to her tactics an a Chicago jury will. For one she is not from Florida and Judge's and juries usually do not like someone from out of town or state coming in trying to tell them how to think.

It will be sometime before this ever goes to trial, the defense will delay it as long as possible. Casey is going to sit there for a long time before she goes into a court room and find out just what the prosecution has against her. She thinks they arrested her on a ****** whim but this trial will not be a whim of any kind.

[shadowdiana]

I think it's all about having a death qualified jury. All the jurors have to be willing to sentence the defendant to the DP. They're usually more likely to convict.

moo

Thank you, MissouriGMom.
I had never thought of that.
Interesting.

[MDdetective]

I think it's all about having a death qualified jury. All the jurors have to be willing to sentence the defendant to the DP. They're usually more likely to convict.

moo

I beleive you're correct GMom :thumbup:

[seeing_eye]

According to the article at http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/11/behind_the_musi.html Lyon supposedly says she lives by a simple rule she learned as a child: "You see something wrong, you do something about it."

So why did she let an innocent man sit in prison for 26 years knowing he was innocent? Where was her passion for righting this wrong? See http://depaullaw.typepad.com/library/2008/03/60-minutes-segm.html

[MissouriGMom]

Thank you, MissouriGMom.
I had never thought of that.
Interesting.

YW! I think that's why the defense is so :mad:. They think those darn pros are not playing fair. For me, it's perfectly fine. :tonguewag:

[Scampi]

Wow. Thanks so much for posting this. This pc made me nervous. Ms Lyons kept referring to the pros as seeking a tactical advantage. I'm not quite sure what that means. I'm not understanding how Ms Lyons can be so convinced that Casey is innocent if she has not yet learned the case. She seemed to be saying that the circumstances under which the pros filed for the DP are not legal. If so, what would that do to the case? She seemed genuinely outraged. I wonder what that is all about.

Lyon's doesn't think this case or the evidence meets the criteria for the DP, we will see exactly what she thinks in her motion.

She is very confident in her manner, don't let that throw you tho. As for the "innocent" word, she touting the company line at that point.
Don't be surprised if that doesn't change in a year or so when this gets to trial.

BTW, Kathy Belich the reporter who made ole TM run away like a little girl, was magnificent too. :thumbsup:

[Daffodil]

I guess I just don't understand why so many keep saying she should "take" a plea deal.

She cannot take that which has not been offered..nor will it be offered.
The "deal" comes from the prosecution...and IMO, they have no intention of offering one.
They have all the evidence they need to convict....so there will be no "deal" MOO



I think there will be a plea if Lyons can convince Casey that her life is on the line. And I think that will take a bit of time for it to sink in. I think Baez believed everything she told him. And coming from an Anthony, well, need I say more. Lyons will look at the evidence and deal with case without getting emotionally tied in. At least that is what I think. Anything can happen in this case.

I think once Lyon can make Casey see the reality of it all, she will approach the prosecutor. She will offer the bargain. For a few reasons: 1. her record could chalk up another win, 2. save a person's live, 3. she knows the prosecution will take it. The proesecution will take it. It will probably be LWOP. The reason the prosecution will go for it is all based on the cost of the trial. I would hate to find out how much it has cost so far. It will actually be a win-win=win situation for all. The A's may not think so, but it sure beats death.

Now for the kicker.............since ther won't be a trial, everyone involved with this case will make a ton of money because they will all write books since all of us are dying to hear all the details.

[MissouriGMom]

I beleive you're correct GMom :thumbup:

Thank you, thank you! :biggrin:

[CelticDawn]

Oh phooeey, Steps left. But, for anyone who hasn't seen this yet, it's the pc after the last hearing. Or, as I like to call it the time and place when Lyon took over this case from jose. :thumbsup:


http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

Never got an ANSWER to "why aren't you out looking for the REAL KILLERS.".....hmmmmmm

[MissouriGMom]

Lyon's doesn't think this case or the evidence meets the criteria for the DP, we will see exactly what she thinks in her motion.

She is very confident in her manner, don't let that throw you tho. As for the "innocent" word, she touting the company line at that point.
Don't be surprised if that doesn't change in a year or so when this gets to trial.

BTW, Kathy Belich the reporter who made ole TM run away like a little girl, was magnificent too. :thumbsup:

Hey, Scamp! ITA They're screaming that it doesn't meet the criteria for DP, but of course, it does.

I love Kathy B. :wub:

[mayamia]

[QUOTE=Dick Tracy;13153224]Happy Saturday..... Seattle weather - into the 80's by this afternoon!!

Does anyone have any information on the NE story about tot mom behind bars vowing to end her life with suicide before the state can get her?
QUOTE]

I too am wondering the source. Unbelievable that any of the Anthony's would think Casey had a chance of beating the case. Cayley was killed by someone and everything points to Casey and Casey alone.

[MDdetective]

I loved that. Didn't sound like Kathy was buying any of it for one minute. I was like, "you go girl!"

Kathy is awesome I'm a BIG fan :biggrin:

[enigma™]

Pick up the Enquirer if you need more than what's written here:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/casey_anthony_on_suicide_watch/crime/63491

[MissouriGMom]

[QUOTE=Dick Tracy;13153224]Happy Saturday..... Seattle weather - into the 80's by this afternoon!!

Does anyone have any information on the NE story about tot mom behind bars vowing to end her life with suicide before the state can get her?
QUOTE]

I too am wondering the source. Unbelievable that any of the Anthony's would think Casey had a chance of beating the case. Cayley was killed by someone and everything points to Casey and Casey alone.

Yes, it does. Those A's sure like to throw out "suicide" for a way to get sympathy. Where's the little violin icon?

[shadowdiana]

I think there will be a plea if Lyons can convince Casey that her life is on the line. And I think that will take a bit of time for it to sink in. I think Baez believed everything she told him. And coming from an Anthony, well, need I say more. Lyons will look at the evidence and deal with case without getting emotionally tied in. At least that is what I think. Anything can happen in this case.

I think once Lyon can make Casey see the reality of it all, she will approach the prosecutor. She will offer the bargain. For a few reasons: 1. her record could chalk up another win, 2. save a person's live, 3. she knows the prosecution will take it. The proesecution will take it. It will probably be LWOP. The reason the prosecution will go for it is all based on the cost of the trial. I would hate to find out how much it has cost so far. It will actually be a win-win=win situation for all. The A's may not think so, but it sure beats death.

Now for the kicker.............since ther won't be a trial, everyone involved with this case will make a ton of money because they will all write books since all of us are dying to hear all the details.

Thank you for the well thought out post. This makes sense...maybe that is why "The Steamroller" says it is a tactic, hmmm?

[Daffodil]

Thank you for the well thought out post. This makes sense...maybe that is why "The Steamroller" says it is a tactic, hmmm?

Yes, now that you mention. I didn't tie it in that way. But if the DP wasn't on the table, what would the defense have to bargain with? Wow, that is really brilliant in a way. Most especially because it would save so much money for the state or is it county. Anybody know who would be paying and how much?

[court~critic1®]

That's the problem with extremists - they don't look at the individual plant, they only see the whole garden. I'm sure many, if not most, of her former clients were able to reconnect with some redeeming parts of themselves and begin to heal and rehabilitate with a healthy sense of self and life. I have heard that she has done a lot of work with underpriviledged people who were born into a life of crime, poverty, etc., where their criminal actions were a natural part of their upbringing as it was all they knew.

However, individuals like Casey Anthony, Scott Peterson, Chris Coleman, etc. etc. (imo) are permanently flawed. They have personality and/or mental disorders that cannot be fixed. They are hard wired differently. Their brains are different, they feel nothing for anyone but themselves.

The defense asked why the prosecution, in seeking the DP, would throw Casey in with Ted Bundy, etc. Well, maybe it is because others mean about as much to Casey as a dead fly on the ground.


I will have to see proof that most, or even many, of her former clients have reformed or been rehabitated.

She will win no matter what the verdict. Fla has only put to death 3 women in the past 80 yrs. It will look good on her record only. To me I can abide with LWOPP, or natural life.

[shadowdiana]

I would actually prefer she get LWOP.
Saves the State a lot of money, and I feel it would be a just punishment for her.
Not to mention saving the poor potential jurors from having to sit through that trial.

There is no point in even discussing "rehabilitation" for one such as this.

Ted Bundy indeed

[CRRJJ]

I don't remember if I asked this before but if I did I don't remember getting a reply. If I'm repeating myself I apologize.
I am wondering if the trial of Casey will be televised....if anyone knows for sure. At a time like this, I really miss the coverage that the old Court TV did.
I do miss the old version. So sorry I don't watch like I used to because of the re-runs of old trials.
Oh, well, times change, I guess. Have to learn how to accept the new things.
Anyway, if someone can tell me about the coverage I appreciate it. Sounds like we will have quite a wait anyway.
Thanks in advance for any info.

[*MoonRider*]

The aggravtors are there under Florida law.

I also do not think Ms Lyons will find a fairly conservative state like Florida as open to her tactics an a Chicago jury will. For one she is not from Florida and Judge's and juries usually do not like someone from out of town or state coming in trying to tell them how to think.

It will be sometime before this ever goes to trial, the defense will delay it as long as possible. Casey is going to sit there for a long time before she goes into a court room and find out just what the prosecution has against her. She thinks they arrested her on a ****** whim but this trial will not be a whim of any kind.

ITA . I do wonder how many of her 30 wins involved the murder of a child, when Mommy the murderer did not call the police?

[Daffodil]

I would actually prefer she get LWOP.
Saves the State a lot of money, and I feel it would be a just punishment for her.

There is no point in even discussing "rehabilitation" for one such as this.

Ted Bundy indeed



It seems the we would be happy with LWOP. I would guess we are a good representation of the general public. And then it would also put an end to all the craziness surrounding this case. Everyone will fade back into the woodwork. Not what most were expecting and it may be hard for them to deal with it. Baez and C&G had grand plans for themselves.

I would think a lot of Casey's friends got a real big slap of reality in their faces from this trial which will affect their lives, hopefully for the better.

I think Jesse may have the hardest time of all.

What will we do without a Lenny or Murt in our lives?

[shadowdiana]

Oh, Daffodil....I am sure there will be another...:sad:
Just a different name

[Daffodil]

Oh, Daffodil....I am sure there will be another...:sad:
Just a different name



Isn't it amazing what Murt did? How excited were we to follow him all around. I think he will be written up in text books. I sure hope there will be another "Murt" for any future cases out there. But I would rather there be no more cases.

[SandyO]

Some of us were discussing this same point last night. I also think there might well be a plea deal because this new attorney is no dummie. Unlike Baez, she doesn't give a fig for what is underneath Casey's clothing. She will, therefore, be more easily able to see the obvious guilt - she will have a clearer picture of the whole thing, imo. This is a woman on a mission and a smart one at that. Apparently she is an activist lawyer, passionately against the DP and removing the DP is going to be her only driving force. I think a plea deal is the only way to guarantee that from happening. Look for some friction between Baez and Lyons over a possible plea deal. Imo, Lyons is the voice of reason and sanity entering the case with clear vision and a strong mission. She will see the guilt and probably get the confession. Hopefully. Maybe.

But doesn't the State of Florida have to agree to offering a plea deal? I'm guessing they'd be open to the idea after just looking at the mounting costs of this prosecution, but on the other hand I'd doubt they'd take any deal that gives Casey less than life in prison.

[court~critic1®]

Oh, I have no idea if many of her former clients have been rehabilitated. I was pointing out the difference between people who act out criminally based on being brought up in the midst of it and not knowing anything else as compared with a psychopathic, sociopathic or narcissistic individual who is hard wired differently, who cannot be changed, who just do not have any capability to feel other than react with whatever emotion arises to things that directly affect themselves.

I am hoping for LWOP as I feel this would be a most deserving punishment for Casey given how unpopular child killers are in prisons - especially in female prisons I would imagine.


thank you for explaining what you meant when you stated that "I am sure" in the quote I was posting . I must have misunderstood. I did get what you were comparing though.

Most child killers are put into the population of other child killers. They are seg. not put into general population. Which if fine with me, as long as she stays in prison for the rest of her natural life.

[CRRJJ]

I think Casey blames Cindy for the fact that she is in jail facing murder charges. Having (unfortunately) been in close proximity with a couple of sociopaths in the past, I can guarantee that if Casey is one - and she certainly seems to have all the traits - her thinking is "if my b**ch mother had never called the cops, NONE of this ever would have happened!" :angry:jmo

You know, I'm wondering if Casey never worried about going to jail because she figured her mother, being the 'Miss Fixer Upper Of Everything Up To Now' was going to lie for her to keep her fanny out of behind bars. Now that cindy can't do anything to help her, she's turning her back on c and g. The sickness in that family just continues.....

[Dick Tracy]

My bold........ To this person all killers, child molesters, and etc. are innocent because of their childhood. I am sure she has enough about Caseys childhood to prove her point. Her agenda is to go against the DP. She just doesn't care that the perps gave the victims the DP without a trial. Or an Amazon of a person to give their drama in court.

That means that they are going to dig into Casey's formulative years and see where they went wrong. And you know how Cindy is going to just love that. Because it was all hunky-dory, and they were the Family of the Year.

Her idea of a win, by the way, is avoiding the death penalty. Everyone deserves a second chance, althought Caylee never got a second chance.

[MissouriGMom]

My hunch is that they would take the deal only if it was LWOP. I don't think anything less than that will be on the table nor do I think the state would agree to anything less than that.

ITA I was thinking about a few local cases in the past few years. Edwin Hall who murdered Kelsey Smith plead guilty to avoid DP and received LWOP, as did Keith Nelson, who murdered little 10 year old Pamela Butler. Lisa Montgomery, who murdered Bobbie Jo Stinnett for her baby, went to trial and got the DP. Hum? wonder what KC should do?

moo

[Dick Tracy]

I wonder if just before closing arguments, the defense will try to make a midnight hour deal with the prosecution to save Casey from the needle.

Or just prior to opening statments, they try to make a deal with the state for LWOP, but only if the records and evidence be sealed.

:w00t:

[court~critic1®]

That means that they are going to dig into Casey's formulative years and see where they went wrong. And you know how Cindy is going to just love that. Because it was all hunky-dory, and they were the Family of the Year.

Her idea of a win, by the way, is avoiding the death penalty. Everyone deserves a second chance, althought Caylee never got a second chance.



Oh yes, and that I would pay to see. LOL cinny will go completely nuts. She will be chewing 5 packs of gum at a time and swigging truck loads of "water". I will need to invest in some stock of her "water". Then she will have to go to the "Betty Ford" clinic.

Sorry, but not everyone one IMOHOO deserves a second chance.

stay safe!

[farrahrani]

I wonder why Casey is snubbing her parents. I know she didn't want Caylee cremated but come on. Maybe the OC is not happy about the media appearances and the CMA Foundation? The sad part is that when all is said and done and Casey in is prison for LWOP, the only people who will visit her will be her parents. The attorneys will be gone like the wind and all she'll have is a public defender, which imo if she had a public defender from day 31 there would have been no circus.


Hey all, just getting home, and I'm catching up little by little. I mentioned yesterday, I think Cindy sent those clothes for Casey. The ones that showcase how much weight she has gained xp. It probably never occurred to Cindy to go out and buy new ones, those are probably from the OC's closet.

So Cindy and George walk in, all fresh, wearing nice clothes, hair done, etc., and it just grates on Casey's nerves. How dare her parents not supply the finest in apparel for her, after all, if it weren't for her, they wouldn't be riding the gravy train and benefiting with their foundations and such :sneaky:

I think Casey really does blame her folks for her appearance yesterday. After all, she was all chummy with her lawyers, they probably let her think it was the parent's responsibility to clothe her, and look how it turned out.

[AlohaRainbow]

I'm not so sure that lawyers are beating down doors to get on this case. I think Jose,etal had to do some fairly hard sell to get those extras on board. Look how long it took to get a DP qualified attorney on. And even then, if you read her information, she is more about eliminating the DP than proving the client innocent. Aren't there any DP qualified attorneys in Florida> Or in the Orlando area? They are telling us they "got the best" and maybe they did, of the ones who would even take an interest.

JMO
i think it's revealing that the first death qualified atty (lenamon) who wrote the letter asking that the death penalty be removed not only withdrew once the death penalty was first taken off (that part was to be expected), but then he wasn't asked to come back once the death penalty was reinstated.

then lenamon recently was on tv and said that he and jose had a difference of opinion about the handling of the case. i think that's what jose meant with his remarks at the latest pc when he said (paraphrasing) that the 'rumors' about dissention among the defense was not true.

[CelticDawn]

Oh yes, and that I would pay to see. LOL cinny will go completely nuts. She will be chewing 5 packs of gum at a time and swigging truck loads of "water". I will need to invest in some stock of her "water". Then she will have to go to the "Betty Ford" clinic.

Sorry, but not everyone one IMOHOO deserves a second chance.

stay safe!

I wish I could have a second chance ....and Ive NEVER been a cold blooded murderer.....but then I start thinking about what I did and I have to ask if I would give me a second chance.....and I guess youre right....some people doing some things just dont deserve a second chance....If she had killed a stranger over some drugs or something ...and was in some way redeemable.....MAYBE........!!!

[Daffodil]

But doesn't the State of Florida have to agree to offering a plea deal? I'm guessing they'd be open to the idea after just looking at the mounting costs of this prosecution, but on the other hand I'd doubt they'd take any deal that gives Casey less than life in prison.


Yes, I think that is the least the state would take. I think many people would be outraged if it was anything less.

[*MoonRider*]

Here's another article of Andrea Lyon: Defending the Life-or-Death Case

http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2006/DDEFE.pdf

Pg. 47 "Before you interview your client's family members, be sure to have in mind some of the different possible reactions they may have."
Explain that what they ordinarily would consider negative information about your client my help him in these circumstances"

Good luck with the Anthony's Andrea. Casey is the "Mother of the Year"

Pg. 49 "The importance of negotiation cannot be stressed enough. If it is possible to settle your case with a plea for life or a term of years, you should work to do that.

I foresee problems with Jose & the Anthony's imo :read:

[jammies]

There is a reason why the anthonys dont like the Grunds. They are jealous. They WISH they had a functional family like the Grunds.


That and Casey dissed them to the Grunds. Told tales out of school. Cindy knows this and HATES the Grunds for knowing exactly what sort of people the A's really are.

[SandyO]

Yes, I think that is the least the state would take. I think many people would be outraged if it was anything less.

Unfortunately I've seen it happen in my State where a person convicted of murder receives a life sentence, then is out on parole in seven years! It HAS to be LWOP for Casey.............

[MiamiNice]

Oh phooeey, Steps left. But, for anyone who hasn't seen this yet, it's the pc after the last hearing. Or, as I like to call it the time and place when Lyon took over this case from jose. :thumbsup:

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

This team never ceases to amaze me - they LOVE to boss and order everyone around:

Jose: .....after that you have to let us go - none of that following thing...

I think what needs to be done, folks, is, I wanna help you, educating you on certain things in covering this case...

....there are tough questions that you need to pose to that building over there..." (I didn't know buildings could talk!)

Kathi: Like What?

Jose: Hold on a second, Kathi :laugh:

Jose: I employ upon all of you to do your jobs....(and HE is going to educate US?)


Wow, that Todd Macaluso(sp?) is one scary looking dude! He always looks so angry! I could hardly stand hearing this maroon demanding that the reporters question the SA office and demanding that the prosecution JUSTIFY their decision making this a DP case!

Can he do this? Practically accusing the SA Office of nefarious reasons?! Suggesting that the reason DP was reinstated by the State because they had reasons other than to do with this case, because there is no evidence in this case.

HE thought he finished with a big bang - and then ran away from Kathi! :lol:

[*MoonRider*]

The blogger comments to this article are priceless. imo
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony-terence-lenamon-raves-about-new-attorney.html

[really3997]

Hey all, just getting home, and I'm catching up little by little. I mentioned yesterday, I think Cindy sent those clothes for Casey. The ones that showcase how much weight she has gained xp. It probably never occurred to Cindy to go out and buy new ones, those are probably from the OC's closet.

So Cindy and George walk in, all fresh, wearing nice clothes, hair done, etc., and it just grates on Casey's nerves. How dare her parents not supply the finest in apparel for her, after all, if it weren't for her, they wouldn't be riding the gravy train and benefiting with their foundations and such :sneaky:

I think Casey really does blame her folks for her appearance yesterday. After all, she was all chummy with her lawyers, they probably let her think it was the parent's responsibility to clothe her, and look how it turned out.

and Cindy's answer will be " who are you blaming sweetheart your blaming me blame all those snacks your eating in your dorm room"

[jammies]

The blogger comments to this article are priceless. imo
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony-terence-lenamon-raves-about-new-attorney.html


hahaha I've only read the first 10 posts and I'm :lol::lol:

[Sandy001]

"Both." "Neither." "I never said that."

Remember Cindy's priceless, "Caylee talked about a dog; if there's a dog, there has to be a Zanny"?

George's version: "If there's a phone, Cindy must have talked to Casey's co-workers."

So many mistruths, so little time.:sneaky: jmo


mistruth means the same thing as a lie. Cindy needs a disctionary.

If there's a dog, there must be a *****....lol

[Daffodil]

:lol: That's quite a scenario. Methinks there are too many skeltons in the Anthony family to count. But what we don't know is what type of a very young child Casey was. Was she born like this? Did she exhibit signs of this type of behavior such that Cindy's "mothering skills" only exacerbated the profundity of the disorder or was she a normal human being who was shaped this way solely at the hands of her mother.

It would be interesting to know more about Casey's childhood - how she treated things and people. Did she pop the heads off her dolls? Was she mean to her pets? Hmmmmm. . . .



It would also be interesting to know all about Cindy too.


I don't think it will be too hard to convince G&C to go along with a deal for LWOP. No trial means no family secrets let out of the bag. And that may be just the reason Casey will not settle. She wants the secrets out.

[101Spots]

The blogger comments to this article are priceless. imo
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony-terence-lenamon-raves-about-new-attorney.html

The one about Lyon looking like Mama from Throw Mama From the Train is a direct hit. She does, she really does!

O/T That actress and her husband were seated with us at a community table in a Japanese restaurant years ago. They were both *very* nice, pleasant, friendly, down-to-earth people.

[MiamiNice]

Those were great MoonRider. I'm still laughing over this one:

"Andrea Lyon is six feet tall and loves to bully witnesses? Oh boy, she'll be a great addition to the circus. We have the Giant Lyon who roars, Bozo the clown, Cindy and Linda, the Big Mouth Blondes on the trapeze and George the snake oil salesman along with the Snake Casey."
All the comments are priceless (thanks to MoonRider for ALL your great links!)

Last night, on JVM, when discussion turned to Lyon's crying, Wendy Murphy called Lyon an "ACTRESS" - the rest of the panel went berserk defending Lyon and being outraged on her behalf! lol! One guy even screamed, "You have crossed a line, you have crossed a line!!!"

omg. But I think Wendy Murphy hit that nail on the head!

[5boxersmom]

Those were great MoonRider. I'm still laughing over this one:

"Andrea Lyon is six feet tall and loves to bully witnesses? Oh boy, she'll be a great addition to the circus. We have the Giant Lyon who roars, Bozo the clown, Cindy and Linda, the Big Mouth Blondes on the trapeze and George the snake oil salesman along with the Snake Casey."

:biggrin: Snake Oil that is what I was trying to think of the other day when I said Tonic Salesman. :tonguewag:

[MiamiNice]

:lol: Loved it! People have their humor hats on today and I'm really enjoying it.
I love it - The posters here always have me in stitches!! :laugh:

omg - I just read your post above......:lol:

[Daffodil]

Unfortunately I've seen it happen in my State where a person convicted of murder receives a life sentence, then is out on parole in seven years! It HAS to be LWOP for Casey.............



Absolutely agree. And I don't think the state will agree to sealing all records.

[Sandy001]

In the process of trying to save her Daughter, Cindy has became a bumbling idiot.

I wonder, as she sits back and watches her TIVO episodes of herself, if she ever, just a tad bit, squirms, and says to herlself, "OMG, I can't believe I said that".:rolleyes:

That would require self-examination, and I don't think Cindy is capable of that. jmo She is more of the school "If I say it enough times, it will be true"

[spiritwolf46]

Yes, I'm hooked. I used to post a long time ago on the Court TV message board and was really bummed when it closed down. I have been looking for something similar since then and only came across this one by accident yesterday. I was surprised to see Coldwater as the mod and recognized some names of posters I used to be familiar with. Is this the same board with a different name?

In any case - I really enjoy this and am having a great morning with ya all.

We are very glad that you found us and are back. Welcome!

[MiamiNice]

Yes, I'm hooked. I used to post a long time ago on the Court TV message board and was really bummed when it closed down. I have been looking for something similar since then and only came across this one by accident yesterday. I was surprised to see Coldwater as the mod and recognized some names of posters I used to be familiar with. Is this the same board with a different name?

In any case - I really enjoy this and am having a great morning with ya all.
Yes, it is the same board - just different owners. Glad you came back!

[MiamiNice]

:lol:

I bet Cindy would prefer us bloggers to go talk to a building!!
At least the building wouldn't LIE!

[Sandy001]

Henry Lee has no credibility anymore. Fingernails, catchup ((too much blood!!"), phony accent, now magically appearing hairs.

IMOHenry Lee had a good reputation. Now he's just another hired gun and no one believes him anymore.

[CelticDawn]

The one about Lyon looking like Mama from Throw Mama From the Train is a direct hit. She does, she really does!

O/T That actress and her husband were seated with us at a community table in a Japanese restaurant years ago. They were both *very* nice, pleasant, friendly, down-to-earth people.

awww Ann Ramsey (RIP) would be proud!

I'm sure this Lyons woman and Ann are equally talented in their respective professions.


I have to say this to everyone.....I really have not a set opinion on the DP because to me....each case should be decided on its own merits....and to me CASEY IS POSTER CHILD FOR DEATH PENALTY AND BIRTH CONTROL as well as TOUGH LOVE.....

This woman really is just doing what the Constitution allows....living by her beliefs....

I have a HARD TIME NOT DISLIKING ANYBODY IMMEDIATELY that has anything to do with a hint of leniency for casey Anthony.....and yes...thats PERSONAL...

I would look at Jose baez as just a pathetic struggling lawyer wanna be except for the fact that he gallantly stands by and defends what I personally consider to be pure evil....so I find myself blindly disliking him...

brad conway falls into the same category as Jose....except he has more of a choice....and to me hes just an attention-seeker....trying to put his brand out there ....when in fact by association hes ruining himself... Is it worth it

Like I said.....anybody defending the OC and anybody associated with the lyingness and deceitfulness and just plain NASTINESS of the Anthonys makes me SICK

[Scampi]

Here's another article of Andrea Lyon: Defending the Life-or-Death Case

http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/ProgMaterials/Conf2006/DDEFE.pdf

Pg. 47 "Before you interview your client's family members, be sure to have in mind some of the different possible reactions they may have."
Explain that what they ordinarily would consider negative information about your client my help him in these circumstances"

Good luck with the Anthony's Andrea. Casey is the "Mother of the Year"

Pg. 49 "The importance of negotiation cannot be stressed enough. If it is possible to settle your case with a plea for life or a term of years, you should work to do that.

I foresee problems with Jose & the Anthony's imo :read:

Thank you Moonie for that link. I see The Lyon's first course of action to be getting the OC to trust her. She will be sympathetic to every complaint she's had her entire life, especially regarding how cindy treated her. I hope Lyon brings some cheese to enjoy with this whinefest.

[Sandy001]

I must have somehow missed this. Can someone explain what happened? I had no idea Lee discredited himself.
All I know about it is that it occurred in the Phil Spectre trial where LKB got a hung jury. Lee apparently came up with some evidence that no one else found. No one believed him. Anothert instance off shady lawyering with the help of a hired gun.

[Sandy001]

I'm not so sure that lawyers are beating down doors to get on this case. I think Jose,etal had to do some fairly hard sell to get those extras on board. Look how long it took to get a DP qualified attorney on. And even then, if you read her information, she is more about eliminating the DP than proving the client innocent. Aren't there any DP qualified attorneys in Florida> Or in the Orlando area? They are telling us they "got the best" and maybe they did, of the ones who would even take an interest.

JMO

For the life of me, I cannot understand why ANY attorney of any stature would want to align themselves with Jose Baez. He's a joke at best., a clown preening in front of the camera.

[Sandy001]

I wonder why Casey is snubbing her parents. I know she didn't want Caylee cremated but come on. Maybe the OC is not happy about the media appearances and the CMA Foundation? The sad part is that when all is said and done and Casey in is prison for LWOP, the only people who will visit her will be her parents. The attorneys will be gone like the wind and all she'll have is a public defender, which imo if she had a public defender from day 31 there would have been no circus. I think Casey has a love/hate relationship with Cindy and she is even angrier at her mother for all the publicity and money Cindy is getting. Cindy dominated Caylee's life when Caylee was alive and she is still doing it now that Caylee is dead. I do believe this love/hate relationship is at the bottom of most of the evil going on right now.

[Barbara fl.]

For the life of me, I cannot understand why ANY attorney of any stature would want to align themselves with Jose Baez. He's a joke at best., a clown preening in front of the camera.

Good afternoon all,

Just dropped in for a minute....

This case has gotten too big for Baez...these other lawyers are going to take over....it happens all the time...there is no way Baez is going to be allowed to be lead attorney....that would be a joke...LKB and the new addition Andrea Lyons and Macaluso would never take the back seat to someone like Baez....he is just not experienced enough....

They all have the experience and the brains and this case is a big challenge for them as well as the publicity they wll get from it....Baez can forget it...he is no match to them...he will have no say so at all....

Baez will be sitting on Conways lap when this trial gets started.....JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Well, imo, Andrea Lyon isn't aligning herself with Baez, she's aligning herself with a lifelong cause. Baez just happens to be part of the baggage to endure while she carries out her mission.

You took the words right out of my mouth....:smile:

[Sandy001]

I do not share your enthusiasm for Ms. Lyon. She clearly is not familiar with Florida law.
"And, just last year, two new and relevant aggravators were added to the law. The victim is younger than 12 and the victim was particularly vulnerable because Casey had authority over Caylee."
http://www.wftv.com/news/19169044/detail.html
The defense team is still whining over the jailhouse video. They want to know why the State put death back on the table? Duh, they found Caylee's body in a garbage bag with duct tape over her mouth.
The death penalty was removed when it appeared they would proceed to trial without a body. IMO, the have a very steep hill to climb to spare Casey's life.
I totally agree. Ms. Lyon will go back to IL and have her students do her research on this case. OF course, the Judge has not approved her on this cdase yet so Baez, once again, i9s showing his poor judgment by putting the cart before the horse.

[CelticDawn]

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Hey Celtic - I share your sentiments. The question with Casey, however, is WHICH would be a more fitting punishment? A relatively quick death with some amount of suffering or an entire life behind bars getting fat on snicker bars and cheetos while the other jailhouse mamas bicker over who is going to get her in the shower next and whether or not a broomstick should be used when doing it.

I figure she is suffering ...just because she isnt out getting her way right now....She is suffering now because she is being forced to be accountable....and even if she gets the DP there will be more time for her to think about what she has done and who she has pi$$ed off (mainly GOD...who she can NOT TRICK and fool and lie to).....She is suffering now because she HAS TO know that nobody is buying her lies anymore....She has to know that THE WORLD FOUND CAYLEE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN WE DID HER...and that even in death CAYLEE is who counts...

.....so let her die....rather than taxpayer support her for the rest of her life....let her go. She is already costing the taxpayers of Florida a bundle....just put an end to it sometime soon.

If there is such a thing as reincarnation....MAYBE her soul can come back and be useful in some way.

[Barbara fl.]

All I know about it is that it occurred in the Phil Spectre trial where LKB got a hung jury. Lee apparently came up with some evidence that no one else found. No one believed him. Anothert instance off shady lawyering with the help of a hired gun.

What Henry Lee did was to suppress evidence...he found a finger nail that would have indicated that there may have been a struggle between Lana Clarkson and PS...but he hid it...another attorney saw it and was forced under oath to tell the truth.....that ruined Henry Lee's credibility....

I believe he is going to try and use this case for a come back.....but it wont happen....`However, finding extra hairs will prove nothing, he will not be able to erase the one hair with the death band around it....one hair is all that is needed.....

I just hope Koby (whom I admire ) doesn't do anything to ruin his image in this case.....

[CelticDawn]

Well, imo, Andrea Lyon isn't aligning herself with Baez, she's aligning herself with a lifelong cause. Baez just happens to be part of the baggage to endure while she carries out her mission.

sometimes a person has to walk in pure darkness so that others may walk in the light

Not quite the perfect match here....but sometimes to make inroads towards ones cause....you just have to get yourself dirty.....

[Barbara fl.]

Hi Barbara :seeya:



Hi to you also,

Welcome to the board or should I say welcome back....:smile:

[Explorer]

All the comments are priceless (thanks to MoonRider for ALL your great links!)

Last night, on JVM, when discussion turned to Lyon's crying, Wendy Murphy called Lyon an "ACTRESS" - the rest of the panel went berserk defending Lyon and being outraged on her behalf! lol! One guy even screamed, "You have crossed a line, you have crossed a line!!!"

omg. But I think Wendy Murphy hit that nail on the head!

Yes and Wendy said "SHES a master manipulator" It was the first time I liked Wendy Murphy.

[Sandy001]

That's the problem with extremists - they don't look at the individual plant, they only see the whole garden. I'm sure many, if not most, of her former clients were able to reconnect with some redeeming parts of themselves and begin to heal and rehabilitate with a healthy sense of self and life. I have heard that she has done a lot of work with underpriviledged people who were born into a life of crime, poverty, etc., where their criminal actions were a natural part of their upbringing as it was all they knew.

However, individuals like Casey Anthony, Scott Peterson, Chris Coleman, etc. etc. (imo) are permanently flawed. They have personality and/or mental disorders that cannot be fixed. They are hard wired differently. Their brains are different, they feel nothing for anyone but themselves.

The defense asked why the prosecution, in seeking the DP, would throw Casey in with Ted Bundy, etc. Well, maybe it is because others mean about as much to Casey as a dead fly on the ground.


LKB comparing Casey to Bundy opened up a whole new ball of wax. If Casey is like Bundy, did she also kill other people? You can't compare a mother who kills her own child to a serial killer of young women. Doesn't fly. If this is the best that LKB can do, then she's been drinking the KoolAid too.

[Explorer]

And I did hear that guy say Wendy you crossed the line Wendy you crossed the line:rolleyes:. And then Wendy said If shes so good I doubt she cares what I have to say or something to that effect:biggrin:

[Sandy001]

Kathy is awesome I'm a BIG fan :biggrin: Me,too. She does her homework.

[Explorer]

I agree that the Ted Bundy statement was over the top. However, a general comparison can be made between the two. To both Casey and Ted Bundy, other people meant about as much to them as the garbage can out in the yard. Bundy killed more people but Casey killed an innocent two year old. The heart shape sticker and the duct tape are just plain evil - screams of hate and mockery. JMO

Maybe that heart sticker has a hidden meaning to Cindy

[Mayasmimi]

Good afternoon all,

Just dropped in for a minute....

This case has gotten too big for Baez...these other lawyers are going to take over....it happens all the time...there is no way Baez is going to be allowed to be lead attorney....that would be a joke...LKB and the new addition Andrea Lyons and Macaluso would never take the back seat to someone like Baez....he is just not experienced enough....

They all have the experience and the brains and this case is a big challenge for them as well as the publicity they wll get from it....Baez can forget it...he is no match to them...he will have no say so at all....

Baez will be sitting on Conways lap when this trial gets started.....JMO

Bet your right. I cannot remember the name of Scott Peterson's first attorney. I can see his face, but his name is long gone.

[spiritwolf46]

Thanks SpiritWolf and MiamiNice for the welcome back. I THOUGHT this was the same board.

A round for all. . .:beer:

Thanks Talamoth! I think that I will take ya up on the round! Drink up everyone! It is 5 o'clock somewhere! ;)

[Sandy001]

i think it's revealing that the first death qualified atty (lenamon) who wrote the letter asking that the death penalty be removed not only withdrew once the death penalty was first taken off (that part was to be expected), but then he wasn't asked to come back once the death penalty was reinstated.

then lenamon recently was on tv and said that he and jose had a difference of opinion about the handling of the case. i think that's what jose meant with his remarks at the latest pc when he said (paraphrasing) that the 'rumors' about dissention among the defense was not true.


Makes me wonder how LKBand AL will like taking orders from Baez.

[CelticDawn]

I agree that the Ted Bundy statement was over the top. However, a general comparison can be made between the two. To both Casey and Ted Bundy, other people meant about as much to them as the garbage can out in the yard. Bundy killed more people but Casey killed an innocent two year old. The heart shape sticker and the duct tape are just plain evil - screams of hate and mockery. JMO

I think she threw that out there for a reason.....to say the STATE is likening casey to Bundy serves a purpose (at least in my twisted way of thinking).....Now she can go on to show how casey is NOT like him...thus being worthy (somehow) of being saved from the needle.

[spiritwolf46]

Hey all,

I started to watch the hearing from the WFTV site and had to turn it off during the first ten minutes with the OC slicking on her dam**d hair! Couldn't watch it any longer.

Anyway, did it ever come out anywhere why Cindy looked as though she had been crying? I only ask this because it si not something that we are even remotely used to! :sneaky:

[Sandy001]

Bet your right. I cannot remember the name of Scott Peterson's first attorney. I can see his face, but his name is long gone. McAllister - and he would have done a far better job that Garegos. McAllister is a well respected attorney in the Modesto area (ethical too)

[Sandy001]

Yes and Wendy said "SHES a master manipulator" It was the first time I liked Wendy Murphy.
Sometimes I think Drama 101 is a requirement for criminal attornies.

[CelticDawn]

Hey all,

I started to watch the hearing from the WFTV site and had to turn it off during the first ten minutes with the OC slicking on her dam**d hair! Couldn't watch it any longer.

Anyway, did it ever come out anywhere why Cindy looked as though she had been crying? I only ask this because it si not something that we are even remotely used to! :sneaky:

She looked ill to me.....but then thats just me.....semed her defiant air was toned down somewhat....her eyes didnt look right and she looked ...well just subdued, for Cindy.

[Mayasmimi]

McAllister - and he would have done a far better job that Garegos. McAllister is a well respected attorney in the Modesto area (ethical too)

Thanks. Though I think Geragos did a great job. Scott is certainly where he belongs. IMO

Off to (HOPEFULLY) see the Braves beat the DBacks. Wish them luck. Later.

[Dick Tracy]

Maybe that heart sticker has a hidden meaning to Cindy

Hey! My explorer has a bad power window motor!

ITA.. You may be right.. It was shortly after the evidence was released that George lost it and wanted to commit hari-kari. That heart shaped sticker was a message to probably both of them, they've probably remember an incident where Caylee walked around the house with one of those on her mouth.........

Yowza!

[JHP]

Sometimes I think Drama 101 is a requirement for criminal attornies.

Thats what it's turned into, unfortunatly. The people who are not pretty enough to be actors go into law, and become clergymen

[Sandy001]

Great post. I foresee problems with Jose and Andrea Lyon. Jose won't want a plea deal, Lyon will. JMO

The best skill a criminal defense atty has is his ability to negotiate. Baez (at Casey's demand I am sure) refuses to negotiate. Casey will not get along with this new person and I seriously doubt AL will change her mind. Don't forget Casey's letter where she claimed that Ashton was trying to offer a plea deal and she wouldn't take it. Ashton only offered that deal very early on. The fact that the prosecution is not willing to "deal" says that they feel they have a VERY strong case.

[Dick Tracy]

I think she threw that out there for a reason.....to say the STATE is likening casey to Bundy serves a purpose (at least in my twisted way of thinking).....Now she can go on to show how casey is NOT like him...thus being worthy (somehow) of being saved from the needle.

Kathi B should have replied like this -

"Excuse me. Are you saying that she's not at like Ted Bundy. Your're right, Ted Bundy killed many people, and Casey is accused of killing only one little person. Are you saying there's a difference Mrs. Baden?"

[Dick Tracy]

The best skill a criminal defense atty has is his ability to negotiate. Baez (at Casey's demand I am sure) refuses to negotiate. Casey will not get along with this new person and I seriously doubt AL will change her mind. Don't forget Casey's letter where she claimed that Ashton was trying to offer a plea deal and she wouldn't take it. Ashton only offered that deal very early on. The fact that the prosecution is not willing to "deal" says that they feel they have a VERY strong case.

Plus, the state has it in writing, she won't accept the plea deal.

[spiritwolf46]

Excellent point. That makes sense. Casey is not a serial killer but it only takes one death to get the needle in your arm. The way Caylee was disposed of, the heart shaped sticker, the duct tape, driving around with her in the back of the car. {{{{{shudder}}}}}

It will be difficult for AL to gain sympathy for Casey. I'm anxious for this trial to begin and it seems now like it is going to drag on forever.

IA, Talamoth! It only take one horrible murder of an innocent child that had no way of o protecting her self to get that needle in the arm.

The 31 days, the things found that linked back to the Anthony's home, the decomp in the trunk of the car and so many more things will get this cold blooded murderer found guilty and HOPE and PRAY the DP.

[Dick Tracy]

If that's true, then they both know that Caylee is totally guilty. What would drive parents, in the face of that kind of mockery, to continue covering up for her? Something hidden in that family that so terrible that they would rather keep that quiet than get justice for their granddaugher. Now that is something to speculate about!

It's their KID! I hate to say this, but I would probably lie as much as I could to save my kids (if I had one) azz from the needle, no matter what he or she did. I understand the justice for Caylee mantra, and the only voice she has now is the state of Florida, but the Anthony's are just trying ANYTHING to do keep her from saying hello to Jesus.

The fact that they're capitalizing on it is another thing, with the KFN and CMA Foundation. I think that's pretty messed up, and that is a slap in Caylee's face (RIP). They are totally hosed up because of THAT.

[Dick Tracy]

If that's true, then they both know that Caylee is totally guilty. What would drive parents, in the face of that kind of mockery, to continue covering up for her? Something hidden in that family that so terrible that they would rather keep that quiet than get justice for their granddaugher. Now that is something to speculate about!

And there could be a photo of her doing that, knowing how camera crazy Casey and the Anthony's are. That could be one of the photos that was somehow deleted, or erased from Casey's laptop by LEE.

Yowza!

[Sandy001]

Can a plea deal not be re-presented? Was the DP on the table at the time? I can't remember.

JMO I do not believe the dp was on the table in the original plea deal, but I'm not sure. a plea deal can be re-presented at any time; however, offering a deal tends to show weakness in the proseuction's case. Scott Peterson was offered the same deal - LWOP if he would reveal where the body was. He also declined and no plea deal was offered again. Not to mention that his attorney claimed he was "stone cold innocent." This case is looking more and more like Scott Peterson, except I think this case has MUCH more circumstantial evidence than the Peterson trial did.

[Sandy001]

The heart sticker bothers me too. I have to wonder if maybe Cindy bought those stickers for Caylee and that having that sticker on the tape was, in reality, a major message to Cindy.

[sunstar]

It shocked me too! IMO, the "nanny" job on Casey's resume is one more clue to the true identity of Zanny the Nanny.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18031958/detail.html

"I found a resume that my daughter had typed all the way to 2006, and my daughter showed that she was employed, which I know she was from 2004 to 2006, either through Universal or Colorvision (or another company). That I can verify. I know that because we've met these people that she worked with -- or my wife has -- I've talked to them over the phone," George Anthony said in the August interview. "At 2006, she wrote down -- or typed out in her nice resume -- nanny."
Hi desmom! :seeya: With a fake ID and this resume, I'm surprised she didn't have a job under the name of ZG at some point ~ although it would take a fake Social Security card too which wouldn't be so easy to get. I too think a lot of information like this will come out at trial and the state will establish that Casey and "Zanny" are one in the same. So then what will the defense do?

[spiritwolf46]

Which, of course, would send an undeniable message of Casey's guilt to Cindy, George and Lee.

Of which they will still lie, spin and corrupt.

I have never ever seen such bizarre behavior in my life as the A's and I sure hope that I never will again!

They are all alike! This is one in a million where a family can all be alike, and we just happened to witness one! barf

[Pat]

It bothers me that Lyon would accuse the prosecution of unethical behavior, which she told the press she would clearly articulate in her motions, yet in the next breath say she isn't familiar with the case yet.

She also claims Casey is innocent. How does she know that with no in-depth review of the case?

Her claim that the prosecution has no legal basis according to Florida state law for requesting the death penalty is an outright lie. She would already know this.

I have no problem with attorneys making statements to the press. I do, however, have a problem when they go on camera and start telling outright lies. IMO, she already has ethical issues and she's only been to one hearing and held one press conference. She's already lost her credibility as far as I'm concerned.

And I was so hoping Casey would at last have an attorney who was actually looking out for Casey's best interests.

[sunstar]

Well, imo, Andrea Lyon isn't aligning herself with Baez, she's aligning herself with a lifelong cause. Baez just happens to be part of the baggage to endure while she carries out her mission.

Hi! I think she's also aligning herself with more chapters for her book for better sales. MOO

[CeruleanBleu]

I just saw this on CayleeDaily and a few blogs.

Andrea Lyon is NO ANGEL!
Andrea Lyon Allowed an Innocent Man to Rot in Prison for 26 years!
http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/hottype/080131/

His name was Alton Logan,
60 Minutes did a story on him last year.
http://depaullaw.typepad.com/library/2008/03/60-minutes-segm.html

Casey's New Attorney Hid A Murder Confession
http://www.cayleedaily.com/

[sunstar]

It bothers me that Lyon would accuse the prosecution of unethical behavior, which she told the press she would clearly articulate in her motions, yet in the next breath say she isn't familiar with the case yet.

She also claims Casey is innocent. How does she know that with no in-depth review of the case?

Her claim that the prosecution has no legal basis according to Florida state law for requesting the death penalty is an outright lie. She would already know this.

I have no problem with attorneys making statements to the press. I do, however, have a problem when they go on camera and start telling outright lies. IMO, she already has ethical issues and she's only been to one hearing and held one press conference. She's already lost her credibility as far as I'm concerned.

And I was so hoping Casey would at last have an attorney who was actually looking out for Casey's best interests.
I couldn't figure out either why she'd be making statements like this when she admitted she didn't know all the details about the case and she hasn't practiced law in Florida so I agree, what's with her comment about the DP? By her comment about Casey's innocence, it seems she'll have to stick with that mantra at trial or totally lose all credibility. MOO

[MiamiNice]

And I did hear that guy say Wendy you crossed the line Wendy you crossed the line:rolleyes:. And then Wendy said If shes so good I doubt she cares what I have to say or something to that effect:biggrin:
Hi Explorer - I got sidetracked by a couple of calls....

I didn't catch the "Master Manipulator" part! lol! I believe she even tried saying that ALL attorneys did that and again - the panel went berserk protesting!

You're right - Wendy Murphy said something like, "she doesn't care what little old me has to say..."

:lol:

[CelticDawn]

Yes, I think so too. I think that is why they asked for immunity. What I want to know is what the terrible secret is that they don't want to discovered. Because I think there is one.

was tehre possibly another birth in that family that we know nothing of?..a subsequent death???...another death???....or A death of another person at the hands of one of them that they all are keeping quiet???

these people have IMO always played horrible mind games with each other...and this one turned deadly.

[Bala]

I think there will be a plea if Lyons can convince Casey that her life is on the line. And I think that will take a bit of time for it to sink in. I think Baez believed everything she told him. And coming from an Anthony, well, need I say more. Lyons will look at the evidence and deal with case without getting emotionally tied in. At least that is what I think. Anything can happen in this case.

I think once Lyon can make Casey see the reality of it all, she will approach the prosecutor. She will offer the bargain. For a few reasons: 1. her record could chalk up another win, 2. save a person's live, 3. she knows the prosecution will take it. The proesecution will take it. It will probably be LWOP. The reason the prosecution will go for it is all based on the cost of the trial. I would hate to find out how much it has cost so far. It will actually be a win-win=win situation for all. The A's may not think so, but it sure beats death.

Now for the kicker.............since ther won't be a trial, everyone involved with this case will make a ton of money because they will all write books since all of us are dying to hear all the details.

The problem I see is that Casey would have to stand up in court an allocate to the crime telling in detail how she did it. Can't see her ever admitting she did it in open court.

[CelticDawn]

I just saw this on CayleeDaily and a few blogs.

Andrea Lyon is NO ANGEL!
Andrea Lyon Allowed an Innocent Man to Rot in Prison for 26 years!
http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/hottype/080131/

His name was Alton Logan,
60 Minutes did a story on him last year.
http://depaullaw.typepad.com/library/2008/03/60-minutes-segm.html

Casey's New Attorney Hid A Murder Confession
http://www.cayleedaily.com/

Like I said before people are willing to get EXTREMELY FILTHY to propagate their own causes.

Looks like she is no different


Fits right in with the OC and her pack doesn't she???

[Sandy001]

It bothers me that Lyon would accuse the prosecution of unethical behavior, which she told the press she would clearly articulate in her motions, yet in the next breath say she isn't familiar with the case yet.

She also claims Casey is innocent. How does she know that with no in-depth review of the case?

Her claim that the prosecution has no legal basis according to Florida state law for requesting the death penalty is an outright lie. She would already know this.

I have no problem with attorneys making statements to the press. I do, however, have a problem when they go on camera and start telling outright lies. IMO, she already has ethical issues and she's only been to one hearing and held one press conference. She's already lost her credibility as far as I'm concerned.
And I was so hoping Casey would at last have an attorney who was actually looking out for Casey's best interests.

Ditto for me.

[KP1935]

The heart sticker bothers me too. I have to wonder if maybe Cindy bought those stickers for Caylee and that having that sticker on the tape was, in reality, a major message to Cindy.

Well since the OC didn't have a job technically Cindy, Amy H, the grandparents or even Caylee herself contributed to the purchase of those stickers!!

Did somebody (Kiomarie?) say that the heart sticker thing was something they did in burying animals when they were younger?

[spiritwolf46]

I have three sons and I've always told them that if they're caught doing something wrong, I will support them but I will stand on the side of the law. When my eldest was 12 years old, he was caught stealing chocolate bars at the corner store. The clerk wanted to let him go, but I insisted that she call the RCMP in so that he wouldn't just get off scott-free. The cop spoke with him quite harshly about what would happen to him if this happened again, and scared the carp out of the kid. It was a good lesson for him.

That may seem harsh to some, but we raised our kids to know that lying, stealing is wrong. We are all tempted at times, but it's wrong.

Cindy and George can support Casey all they like, but to lie and cover up her crime is just wrong on so many levels. They are all disgracing the life and death of that adorable baby and they are attempting to make a mockery out of the justice system.

This does not seem harsh at all, Annie! It is called tough love and teaching your kids right from wrong, which Casey, it seems, was never taught!

ITA with you about Cindy and George! It is one thing to love your children/child unconditionally, while it is a complete other thing to cover, lie and obstruct for her crime. It IS, in fact, wrong on so many levels! They will NEVER EVER see it this way though, nor will they ever see that THEY, themselves, have created the monster that did this horrible crime!

YOU are a good parent and made sure that your kids knew from a young age that even though you love them, they have to be held accountable for the wrong doing. :wub:

[Imperfect4]

I do not share your enthusiasm for Ms. Lyon. She clearly is not familiar with Florida law.
"And, just last year, two new and relevant aggravators were added to the law. The victim is younger than 12 and the victim was particularly vulnerable because Casey had authority over Caylee."
http://www.wftv.com/news/19169044/detail.html
The defense team is still whining over the jailhouse video. They want to know why the State put death back on the table? Duh, they found Caylee's body in a garbage bag with duct tape over her mouth.
The death penalty was removed when it appeared they would proceed to trial without a body. IMO, the have a very steep hill to climb to spare Casey's life.

Okay, I finally watched the post-hearing video hosted by the dream team. I'm utterly underwhelmed. Jose's whining again, about what isn't clear because he can't put a coherent sentence together. Trouble among members of the defense team? Who knew? Who CARES? Lyon truly didn't impress me at all (sorry, Scamp). LKB is talking about much more than forensics, and seems fixated on strange comparisons as well as that freaking video tape. Tooooddddd's behavior was borderline adolescent. It's always good to stamp your feet and then walk off in a huff with the cameras rolling.

In general, I just love all the righteous indignation on their lying, thieving, manipulative client's behalf. How DARE the media question the defense team? How DARE the jail personnel do A, B and C? How DARE the state do X, Y and Z? What a hoot! Where's their righteous indignation about finding the identity of the *real* killer? Where's their indignation about how a 2 year-old's life ended?

Sorry. Not buying the show. That's all it is, and it's a bad one to boot.

[MiamiNice]

I think she threw that out there for a reason.....to say the STATE is likening casey to Bundy serves a purpose (at least in my twisted way of thinking).....Now she can go on to show how casey is NOT like him...thus being worthy (somehow) of being saved from the needle.
There is no comparison in my mind. Besides the obvious reasons - Ted Bundy killed STRANGERS. He didn't give a flying fig about them, as well he shouldn't - because they were strangers.

Casey, on the other hand....killed her own 2 year old baby. She gave her life, she carried her in her belly, she cared for her, loved her (in her sick way).....yet she killed her.

Heinous.

imo

[sunstar]

The problem I see is that Casey would have to stand up in court an allocate to the crime telling in detail how she did it. Can't see her ever admitting she did it in open court.

I don't see an admission either, and now with Lyons claiming Casey is innocent, it doesn't seem they're going to go with anything else other than SODDI. How that will play during the penalty phase though is going to be interesting! MOO

[MiamiNice]

Okay, I finally watched the post-hearing video hosted by the dream team. I'm utterly underwhelmed. Jose's whining again, about what isn't clear because he can't put a coherent sentence together. Trouble among members of the defense team? Who knew? Who CARES? Lyon truly didn't impress me at all (sorry, Scamp). LKB is talking about much more than forensics, and seems fixated on strange comparisons as well as that freaking video tape. Tooooddddd's behavior was borderline adolescent. It's always good to stamp your feet and then walk off in a huff with the cameras rolling.

In general, I just love all the righteous indignation on their lying, thieving, manipulative client's behalf. How DARE the media question the defense team? How DARE the jail personnel do A, B and C? How DARE the state do X, Y and Z? What a hoot! Where's their righteous indignation about finding the identity of the *real* killer? Where's their indignation about how a 2 year-old's life ended?

Sorry. Not buying the show. That's all it is, and it's a bad one to boot.

Everything you say is right on! This posse is NOT going to go over well to a Florida jury. It is OVERKILL.

Those jurors are going to watching this herd of attorneys and wonder WHY so many high-powered attorneys are needed to defend an "innocent" person. They just scream to me of BS Steamrollers and I bet the jury will be wearing their hipwaders!

[Sandy001]

I just saw this on CayleeDaily and a few blogs.

Andrea Lyon is NO ANGEL!
Andrea Lyon Allowed an Innocent Man to Rot in Prison for 26 years!
http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/hottype/080131/

His name was Alton Logan,
60 Minutes did a story on him last year.
http://depaullaw.typepad.com/library/2008/03/60-minutes-segm.html

Casey's New Attorney Hid A Murder Confession
http://www.cayleedaily.com/

That makes me really sick. She was not even the attorney for this guilty man - she was just notorizing the affadavit. I thought the law was about JUSTICE, not about winning and losing. To have the knowledge that an innocent man is in prison while you are writing books and claiming to be an "angel," makes me want to PUKE.

[CelticDawn]

There is no comparison in my mind. Besides the obvious reasons - Ted Bundy killed STRANGERS. He didn't give a flying fig about them, as well he shouldn't - because they were strangers.

Casey, on the other hand....killed her own 2 year old baby. She gave her life, she carried her in her belly, she cared for her, loved her (in her sick way).....yet she killed her.

Heinous.

imo

the point was that her throwing that out there sets her arguments up....sets her up to argue a point that she made in the first place....or the opposite thereof....to try and get sympathy in some way....

[bchand]

Can a plea deal not be re-presented? Was the DP on the table at the time? I can't remember.

JMO


As far as I know, there never ever was a plea deal offered to her.

She was offered limited immunity to tell where Caylee was. She didn't want that.

[sunstar]

Everything you say is right on! This posse is NOT going to go over well to a Florida jury. It is OVERKILL.

Those jurors are going to watching this herd of attorneys and wonder WHY so many high-powered attorneys are needed to defend an "innocent" person. They just scream to me of BS Steamrollers and I bet the jury will be wearing their hipwaders!

Hi! I completely agree! I also think the jury might wonder why JB couldn't find a local DP attorney and LKB arguing against the forensic evidence could get very annoying to them. I remember how she went on and on in Spector's 1st trial. <yawn> MOO

[MiamiNice]

Hi! I completely agree! I also think the jury might wonder why JB couldn't find a local DP attorney and LKB arguing against the forensic evidence could get very annoying to them. I remember how she went on and on in Spector's 1st trial. <yawn> MOO
ITA - Baden was unforgettable in that trial - and not in a good way. After watching them in that Press Conference, the bunch of them do not leave a good impression.

I wonder if Jose Baez will be dropping the change of venue?

[Imperfect4]

All the comments are priceless (thanks to MoonRider for ALL your great links!)

Last night, on JVM, when discussion turned to Lyon's crying, Wendy Murphy called Lyon an "ACTRESS" - the rest of the panel went berserk defending Lyon and being outraged on her behalf! lol! One guy even screamed, "You have crossed a line, you have crossed a line!!!"

omg. But I think Wendy Murphy hit that nail on the head!

I saw that, too! I'm so glad Wendy was there. It always irritates me when things start moving in a "sacred cow" direction, as they were with the TH's going on ad nauseam about Lyon's reputation. They nearly had her at sainthood before Wendy chimed in. It's fine to admire her, but there's also room for skepticism about her.

[Imperfect4]

:lol:

I bet Cindy would prefer us bloggers to go talk to a building!!

"lizzster"????? :scared:

What the heck did you do NOW, child?

[sunstar]

ITA - Baden was unforgettable in that trial - and not in a good way. After watching them in that Press Conference, the bunch of them do not leave a good impression.

I wonder if Jose Baez will be dropping the change of venue?

I don't think he'll change his mind about that, but I'd suspect the judge might want to try to seat a jury in Orange Co. first then decide if it'll be moved. Just MOO. :smile:

[CelticDawn]

Hi! I completely agree! I also think the jury might wonder why JB couldn't find a local DP attorney and LKB arguing against the forensic evidence could get very annoying to them. I remember how she went on and on in Spector's 1st trial. <yawn> MOO

well I thank god that justice was finally served in spector's case


LKB tries to pass herself off as a forensics experts attorney when its MY opinion that she is just riding off the coattails of her MR at this point....

[MiamiNice]

I saw that, too! I'm so glad Wendy was there. It always irritates me when things start moving in a "sacred cow" direction, as they were with the TH's going on ad nauseam about Lyon's reputation. They nearly had her at sainthood before Wendy chimed in. It's fine to admire her, but there's also room for skepticism about her.
Good point! For the first couple of days there, it was hard for me to understand all the praise over Lyon's crying (so true about the "sainthood" status).

Wendy Murphy certainly was a (LOUD) reality check!

[Amy]

Can a plea deal not be re-presented? Was the DP on the table at the time? I can't remember.

JMO


The limited immunity deal was presented and refused before the DP issue. The DP was never on the table until after Caylee was identified. If I understand the workings correctly, this could have been a DP case. The prosecution had to decide whether or not they would go for the DP and their decision was to NOT ask for the DP.

Then, they changed their minds after Caylee was id'd.

[MiamiNice]

Ahh - the change of venue. I had completely forgotten about that. Where does that stand now? Was someone going to rule on that or what? I hope there is no change of venue.
At first I thought "no" and then I thought that with all these "big wigs," the Miami airport would be easier as far as availability for flights back and forth from wherever they are coming from.

That said, I agree - I hope they do not move it.

Going out now, BBL - thanks for the great discussion, all! :seeya:

[Sandy001]

Ahh - the change of venue. I had completely forgotten about that. Where does that stand now? Was someone going to rule on that or what? I hope there is no change of venue. I believe his motion was filed prematurely. I really do not see how a man who can't file a proper motion can be teaching a class on how to prepare for a trial. His motions are unprofessional and NEVER cite case law. They are just the whinings of an inept atty imo

[MiamiNice]

I totally appreciated Wendy and was really annoyed that there was no moderation brought to the panel such that Wendy could actual speak without screaming over the other hysterics on the panel.
I respect what Wendy Murphy has to say - but we cannot feel sorry for Wendy, though, as SHE is usually the one SCREAMING over everyone! :biggrin:

[Imperfect4]

It bothers me that Lyon would accuse the prosecution of unethical behavior, which she told the press she would clearly articulate in her motions, yet in the next breath say she isn't familiar with the case yet.

She also claims Casey is innocent. How does she know that with no in-depth review of the case?

Her claim that the prosecution has no legal basis according to Florida state law for requesting the death penalty is an outright lie. She would already know this.

I have no problem with attorneys making statements to the press. I do, however, have a problem when they go on camera and start telling outright lies. IMO, she already has ethical issues and she's only been to one hearing and held one press conference. She's already lost her credibility as far as I'm concerned.

And I was so hoping Casey would at last have an attorney who was actually looking out for Casey's best interests.

I'm so glad to see this post, Pat. I was feeling very similarly. How can Lyon, just arrived in town and not up-to-date on the case, bust out of the gate proclaiming Casey's innocence and the prosecution's underhandedness?

Like you, I feel she's shot her credibility all to hell already. She may be a great actress and a "winning" DP qualified defense attorney, but as for her sterling moral character, well, I'm afraid I can't buy what's being sold about her based on what I've seen of her so far.

[bchand]

ABC News Pays For Family Plane Tickets

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/abc/abc_news_pays_for_familys_plane_tickets_117649.asp

ABC News is once again under fire for financially accommodating a news source -- in this case paying for plane tickets to and from Florida.

An ABC News spokesman denied this was a quid-pro-quo arrangement and told the Philly News, "ABC News does not pay for interviews."

A similar situation happened in December when ABC News paid for a three-night hotel stay at a Central Florida Ritz-Carlton for the grandparents of murdered toddler Caylee Anthony. In that case, ABC did not get an interview with the Anthonys.

Grandparents, two P.I.s, Media Rep and at the least, dinner for the brother & his girlfriend and the OC's attorney.

[*MoonRider*]

I believe his motion was filed prematurely. I really do not see how a man who can't file a proper motion can be teaching a class on how to prepare for a trial. His motions are unprofessional and NEVER cite case law. They are just the whinings of an inept atty imo

Most of his whining motions are filed prematurely. In the COV he filed it immediately after the Orlando Sentinel did an expose on his ethics problems. Lo and behold the COV was all over the news instead of the expose. I was disgusted at the time that his ethics issues were swept under the rug. moo

[sunstar]

well I thank god that justice was finally served in spector's case


LKB tries to pass herself off as a forensics experts attorney when its MY opinion that she is just riding off the coattails of her MR at this point....

I agree about that assessment of her. If she really was well versed in forensics it seems she wouldn't have had to refer to a notebook with every question she asked the witnesses (in Spector's trial). MOO

[Scampi]

The best skill a criminal defense atty has is his ability to negotiate. Baez (at Casey's demand I am sure) refuses to negotiate. Casey will not get along with this new person and I seriously doubt AL will change her mind. Don't forget Casey's letter where she claimed that Ashton was trying to offer a plea deal and she wouldn't take it. Ashton only offered that deal very early on. The fact that the prosecution is not willing to "deal" says that they feel they have a VERY strong case.

In the very early days of this case, the State offered the OC "limited immunity" not a plea deal. I assume the limited immunity was for information leading to the location of Caylee's remains.

It was turned down by anthony.

[desmom]

That makes me really sick. She was not even the attorney for this guilty man - she was just notorizing the affadavit. I thought the law was about JUSTICE, not about winning and losing. To have the knowledge that an innocent man is in prison while you are writing books and claiming to be an "angel," makes me want to PUKE.

I agree!



Will you share your bench with me?

[Sandy001]

At first I thought "no" and then I thought that with all these "big wigs," the Miami airport would be easier as far as availability for flights back and forth from wherever they are coming from.

That said, I agree - I hope they do not move it.

Going out now, BBL - thanks for the great discussion, all! :seeya:

But a move to Miami would put a lot of stress on witnesses from Orlando. Change of venues are kept closer to home. I know Jose thinks he would have a better advantage in Miami, but the trial is NOT ABOUT JOSE, even thosgh he seems to think it is.

[Sandy001]

I agree!

Will you share your bench with me?lol, of course

[TunaMelt]

I'm not sure that Casey ever truly "loved" or "cared" for Casey. I don't think Casey has the capacity to love or to feel anything unless it somehow directly affects her. I imagine whatever love she felt for Caylee was limited to those times she saw herself in Caylee or when she was getting some kind of hit from her interaction with Caylee. I imagine whenever Caylee was demanding or needing attention, etc., that "love" would just disappear and annoyance and reaction would set in. JMO

Exactly!
ITA
:thumbup:

[Amy]

ITA - Baden was unforgettable in that trial - and not in a good way. After watching them in that Press Conference, the bunch of them do not leave a good impression.

I wonder if Jose Baez will be dropping the change of venue?

I can see where the A's might not have a clue about staying low, saying no comment and staying home. Altho, it does seem that NeJames tried to educate them on this issue.

HOWEVER I would expect that professionals, lawyers, would understand that it is not good form to go in front of media mikes and cameras and make off-the-cuff statements about their case. They should know it would be best to tell reporters, no comment, we will try this case in the courts, thank you. Or, if they HAD to, some OCCASIONAL pc, with the speech written out, followed, and "I have no further questions" would suffice.

Especially when it is almost always the defense who whines about media exposure, they would take a step back and look to see exactly WHO is making the exposure. Do we see the prosecution making statements every day to the press (or even after a hearing?) Or being on various and sundry tv shows? No--that would seem to be done by the defense only.

When it comes down to the wire about motions for COV, I do hope the judge demands that Jose present ALL the media coverage of which he complains, and when compiling that, one would hope Jose would recognize that, if not for he and the A's being out there, there would have been very little media coverage. And, perhaps remind Jose that the judge was WANTING to have a gag order, but JOSE WAS THE ONE WHO OPPOSED IT!!!!! Geesh!!!! I haven't gone to law school, and don't play one on tv, but I'm betting I could do a better job of lawyering than Jose. Of course, I wouldn't go to all the devious garbage to try to get a guilty person off, so Casey wouldn't want me on board!!!!:biggrin:

[*MoonRider*]

Here's the expose on Jose from the Orlando Sentinel in case some have not seen it. This should have been the talk of the town and was until he filed his COV. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-lawyer-jose-baez-caylee-050309,0,3439656.story

[TunaMelt]

I have no idea to whom you are referring.

Now go talk to a building.:tonguewag:

:huh:

Your closet must be huge.

:wink:

[TunaMelt]

I can see where the A's might not have a clue about staying low, saying no comment and staying home. Altho, it does seem that NeJames tried to educate them on this issue.

HOWEVER I would expect that professionals, lawyers, would understand that it is not good form to go in front of media mikes and cameras and make off-the-cuff statements about their case. They should know it would be best to tell reporters, no comment, we will try this case in the courts, thank you. Or, if they HAD to, some OCCASIONAL pc, with the speech written out, followed, and "I have no further questions" would suffice.

Especially when it is almost always the defense who whines about media exposure, they would take a step back and look to see exactly WHO is making the exposure. Do we see the prosecution making statements every day to the press (or even after a hearing?) Or being on various and sundry tv shows? No--that would seem to be done by the defense only.

When it comes down to the wire about motions for COV, I do hope the judge demands that Jose present ALL the media coverage of which he complains, and when compiling that, one would hope Jose would recognize that, if not for he and the A's being out there, there would have been very little media coverage. And, perhaps remind Jose that the judge was WANTING to have a gag order, but JOSE WAS THE ONE WHO OPPOSED IT!!!!! Geesh!!!! I haven't gone to law school, and don't play one on tv, but I'm betting I could do a better job of lawyering than Jose. Of course, I wouldn't go to all the devious garbage to try to get a guilty person off, so Casey wouldn't want me on board!!!!:biggrin:

I hear ya, Amy, but I think we tend to underestimate the incredible collective ego of this gaggle of lawyers.

Their educated brains might tell them that it's a better thing to stay away from the media, but their egos are just bigger than probably you or I can imagine, and they follow it, rather than their logic.

It will be their undoing, the too-big egos, just like it usually is for anyone, but they just can't stop themselves.

They are slaves to their own egos, these people. Nothing and no one will stop them from feeding their egotistical needs and desires.

:mellow:

[seeing_eye]

It bothers me that Lyon would accuse the prosecution of unethical behavior, which she told the press she would clearly articulate in her motions, yet in the next breath say she isn't familiar with the case yet.

She also claims Casey is innocent. How does she know that with no in-depth review of the case?

Her claim that the prosecution has no legal basis according to Florida state law for requesting the death penalty is an outright lie. She would already know this.

I have no problem with attorneys making statements to the press. I do, however, have a problem when they go on camera and start telling outright lies. IMO, she already has ethical issues and she's only been to one hearing and held one press conference. She's already lost her credibility as far as I'm concerned.

And I was so hoping Casey would at last have an attorney who was actually looking out for Casey's best interests.

Reference the bolding which is mine:

Without being familiar with the case, Ms. Lyon can accuse the prosecution of unethical behavior because she believes there is some form of prosecutorial misconduct in every case. I derive this opinion from what's written in the following article:

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/11/behind_the_musi.html

[Amy]

ABC News Pays For Family Plane Tickets

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/abc/abc_news_pays_for_familys_plane_tickets_117649.asp

ABC News is once again under fire for financially accommodating a news source -- in this case paying for plane tickets to and from Florida.

An ABC News spokesman denied this was a quid-pro-quo arrangement and told the Philly News, "ABC News does not pay for interviews."

A similar situation happened in December when ABC News paid for a three-night hotel stay at a Central Florida Ritz-Carlton for the grandparents of murdered toddler Caylee Anthony. In that case, ABC did not get an interview with the Anthonys.

Grandparents, two P.I.s, Media Rep and at the least, dinner for the brother & his girlfriend and the OC's attorney.

I see all they continue to say is that ABC News does not pay for interviews. I think they missed the point. No one is saying they DID pay for the interviews. Sure, and no money needs to be handed to the people--just pay the airline, pay the hotel, set up a charge account for meals and such that would be above the room rate. Select some fancy schmancy restaurants the person has always wanted to eat at, pay them in advance for the people to go to those places for other meals. Maybe even pay for tickets for whatever is big in the area--well, in this case, I'm not sure the Dad would be wanting to take the girl to Disney World, so maybe they'd skip seeing the sights.

But, sure, I can believe ABC and all the other networks don't pay for interviews. But I very much believe they make it so there is not one iota of expense the person would have to put out for to get there, to stay there, and to get back home.

Maybe the networks need to update their no payment mantra, to include they do not cover any expenses for the person to able to be there for the interview. Until then, it's all in how you say it. IMO

[Sandy001]

Here's the expose on Jose from the Orlando Sentinel in case some have not seen it. This should have been the talk of the town and was until he filed his COV. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-lawyer-jose-baez-caylee-050309,0,3439656.story This only reinforced my opinion of Mr. Baez. He's shady, with delusions of grandeur. He SHOULD be investigated as it's lawyers like him that give lawyers a bad name.

[sunstar]

I can see where the A's might not have a clue about staying low, saying no comment and staying home. Altho, it does seem that NeJames tried to educate them on this issue.

HOWEVER I would expect that professionals, lawyers, would understand that it is not good form to go in front of media mikes and cameras and make off-the-cuff statements about their case. They should know it would be best to tell reporters, no comment, we will try this case in the courts, thank you. Or, if they HAD to, some OCCASIONAL pc, with the speech written out, followed, and "I have no further questions" would suffice.

Especially when it is almost always the defense who whines about media exposure, they would take a step back and look to see exactly WHO is making the exposure. Do we see the prosecution making statements every day to the press (or even after a hearing?) Or being on various and sundry tv shows? No--that would seem to be done by the defense only.

When it comes down to the wire about motions for COV, I do hope the judge demands that Jose present ALL the media coverage of which he complains, and when compiling that, one would hope Jose would recognize that, if not for he and the A's being out there, there would have been very little media coverage. And, perhaps remind Jose that the judge was WANTING to have a gag order, but JOSE WAS THE ONE WHO OPPOSED IT!!!!! Geesh!!!! I haven't gone to law school, and don't play one on tv, but I'm betting I could do a better job of lawyering than Jose. Of course, I wouldn't go to all the devious garbage to try to get a guilty person off, so Casey wouldn't want me on board!!!!:biggrin:

I think the defense could learn a lot about news conferences from watching LE in various jurisdictions while investigating a case ~ they always use "no comment" or something like "can't confirm or deny"! I do think the judge will remind Baez of exactly what you've mentioned that but for him and Casey's parents, there would be little for the media to be talking about. I also think by the time this case actually goes to trial, it will not be front and center in the news and a jury will be able to be found in OC. MOO

[Amy]

But a move to Miami would put a lot of stress on witnesses from Orlando. Change of venues are kept closer to home. I know Jose thinks he would have a better advantage in Miami, but the trial is NOT ABOUT JOSE, even thosgh he seems to think it is.

Kind of like Mark Geragos. He was really pushing for the Peterson trial to be changed to LA--IIRC, he gave a list of several places he tho't appropropiate--and am not sure what the other places were. Anyway, having the trial in LA would have been to his advantage--he would have been able to go home every night. Plus, I think he tho't he could get OJ like jurors on the panel. I don't think he realized, either, that altho he was a high-profile attorney, it wasn't all about him.

And, for that matter, Jose isn't a high-profile attorney. He is an unheard of before attorney who happened on a high-profile case. IMO

[Sandy001]

I see all they continue to say is that ABC News does not pay for interviews. I think they missed the point. No one is saying they DID pay for the interviews. Sure, and no money needs to be handed to the people--just pay the airline, pay the hotel, set up a charge account for meals and such that would be above the room rate. Select some fancy schmancy restaurants the person has always wanted to eat at, pay them in advance for the people to go to those places for other meals. Maybe even pay for tickets for whatever is big in the area--well, in this case, I'm not sure the Dad would be wanting to take the girl to Disney World, so maybe they'd skip seeing the sights.

But, sure, I can believe ABC and all the other networks don't pay for interviews. But I very much believe they make it so there is not one iota of expense the person would have to put out for to get there, to stay there, and to get back home.

Maybe the networks need to update their no payment mantra, to include they do not cover any expenses for the person to able to be there for the interview. Until then, it's all in how you say it. IMO

You are so correct. I was a participant in one of the daytime court shows. They paid for my flight and a companions, limos from airport to hotel, hotel to studio, studio back to hotel, then hotel to airport, paid for the flights both ways and for a limo from airport to my home. All meals were also covered. They also paid a fee of $500 to my companion - and this was over 10 years ago. So, yes, the networks get around all that by the freebies they give. Time for them to "fess up" and tell exactly WHAT they are paying for.