Saturday, May 30, 2009

[need2no]

IIRC the toxo was in the last doc dump........but I cannot find it tonight.

I know i was expecting to see xanax, but it said something to the affect that it was neg on a routine drug screen.......so i remember thinking that LE may order more indepth tests...just my theory ...........

Which reminds me......WHERE IS CURY?

[Dick Tracy]

IIRC the toxo was in the last doc dump........but I cannot find it tonight.

I know i was expecting to see xanax, but it said something to the affect that it was neg on a routine drug screen.......so i remember thinking that LE may order more indepth tests...just my theory ...........

Xanax wouldn't necessarily show up in her bone marrow, or hair, because it takes blood flow to get to those organs. If she's dead, there's no blood flow, and I'm not aware of any tissue sample at the crime scene. It wouldn't surprise me in the least that Casey had administered a dose in the past once or twice, it would put the kid out in fifteen minutes or less.

[Stellagant]

Hi there Mr Tracy. Thanks so much for your comments. I'm wondering though - how would Dr. G know, just because stuff matched up like the striation cuts, etc, that it was a homocide and not an accident?

Because LE had already concluded Caylee's disappearance was crime. A death tied to a crime won't ever be classified as an accident. That's not fair to the victim.

[Imperfect4]

Thanks for the info. The specifics of her findings in the exam and in the police report that led to her conclusion of homocide remain a mystery.

Yep. I think what comes out at trial (and not a moment sooner) will blow our doors off.

[Exiled.]

You want a link to my clearly stated opinion?


Hi Stellagant:

Nice to have you posting with us. Please don't let anyone try to run you off the board as they have done with so many others. Diversity is a good thing. Anyway... Welcome


imo...of course.

[Stellagant]

I think he did too. How could any of them (excluding the OC) not want her found. To think of a loved one rotting in the woods is going beyond the pale, even for them.

I doubt Casey gave another thought to Caylee rotting in the woods.

[Imperfect4]

Which reminds me......WHERE IS CURY?

I think I recall someone saying she's busy with other things. Unfortunately, I think our links thread these days shows how much we depended on her thoroughness. :sad:

[Imperfect4]

I think he did too. How could any of them (excluding the OC) not want her found. To think of a loved one rotting in the woods is going beyond the pale, even for them.

I don't think Cindy wanted her found. Not dead, anyway.

[Dick Tracy]

Hi there Mr Tracy. Thanks so much for your comments. I'm wondering though - how would Dr. G know, just because stuff matched up like the striation cuts, etc, that it was a homocide and not an accident?

That's a good question, and I don't think we have a document that can be located where she states as such based on her findings. There has to be something there, though.

If the state can prove premeditation, that can go along way towards a conviction, regardless if this was actually an accident or not. Without Casey even spewing lies, her actions for 31 days speak louder than words.

[adair]

Evening Talamoth :smile:

I believe that the link up to the Crime Scene has something to do with those witnesses having expertise as forensic tool mark specialists. The link I believe is the bags at the crime scene, possibly having the exact match of striation cuts from either the bags found at the Anthony home, or the trash bag found in Casey's trunk.

IIRC, the state put the death penalty on the table and then added those two witnesses, of who's names escape me at the moment. It also might having something to do with the heart shaped sticker matching up with ones found at the anthony home.

The other damning stuff against her is just icing on the cake, imho.



Hello My Friend

I am wondering if you remember, or possibly bookmarked the toxo report ......???? AND do you remember when..and from whose home LE took the garbage bags from? WHEN they collected them is what i would really like to know. TIA If you have that info handy...I did a few searches and gave up. (blaming it on the budweiser) lol

I do not know if you remember or not ... it was probably about a week or so ago that we talked about if G or C tried to contact Lee the night of "fathers day"......thinking that kc was "out of control" and hoping that Lee could talk to her, or that she may have gone to L&M house that night, if she did leave the A home.

And another question that I do not know if LE asked the neighbors ...

Where did kc normally park her car? In the drive way, garage?

This makes me wonder who was trying to call kc from the A home phone? It was pretty early..like between 6 or 7 am?

correct me if i am wrong.

Thank You or anyone else who can shed some light ..........

[Stellagant]

Hi Stellagant:

Nice to have you posting with us. Please don't let anyone try to run you off the board as they have done with so many others. Diversity is a good thing. Anyway... Welcome


imo...of course.

Thanks, Exiled. I'll let the mod deal with them.

[Imperfect4]

Xanax wouldn't necessarily show up in her bone marrow, or hair, because it takes blood flow to get to those organs. If she's dead, there's no blood flow, and I'm not aware of any tissue sample at the crime scene. It wouldn't surprise me in the least that Casey had administered a dose in the past once or twice, it would put the kid out in fifteen minutes or less.

I'd like to know about the syringe (or dropper) found wrapped and in the soda bottle, IIRC, as well as the used pregnancy test. Were they determined to be connected to the case? Never heard another word about that evidence (found near Caylee's remains).

[kOOkie1]

Xanax wouldn't necessarily show up in her bone marrow, or hair, because it takes blood flow to get to those organs. If she's dead, there's no blood flow, and I'm not aware of any tissue sample at the crime scene. It wouldn't surprise me in the least that Casey had administered a dose in the past once or twice, it would put the kid out in fifteen minutes or less.

It's a shame we may never know about the xanax, isnt it?? I have always thought she used it on Caylee.:closedeyes:

[need2no]

I think I recall someone saying she's busy with other things. Unfortunately, I think our links thread these days shows how much we depended on her thoroughness. :sad:

Thanks!

Well...she has some nerve cutting out on us. What could possibly be more important than helping us keep the facts of this case straight.:wink:

I think I know a place where I can track her down, and will bring her back screaming if necessary. While I'm at it I'll look for Lynn who also has gone MIA.

[Imperfect4]

:seeya: Good night everyone! I've had much fun and enjoyment with you all tonight. Many laughs. I can no longer keep my eyes open so it's beddie bye for me.

Night, Tal. Hope those cheerios hold you 'til morning! :laugh:

[Dick Tracy]

HEY!!!!!!! LET's not get this board shut down until Monday. If you find someone offending you, just hit the ignore button. PLEASE. Let's just have a good discussion about something with some MERIT.

[seeing_eye]

I think he did too. How could any of them (excluding the OC) not want her found. To think of a loved one rotting in the woods is going beyond the pale, even for them.

JMO, but I believe C&G both did not want Caylee's body to be found. They knew they had lost Caylee and did not want to lose Casey too. They did not want a body found, along with continued sightings of a "live" Caylee, to give reasonable doubt to the jury. I believe they knew the approximate area where the body was and made attempts to see that it was never found.

[Dick Tracy]

It's a shame we may never know about the xanax, isnt it?? I have always thought she used it on Caylee.:closedeyes:

Well.. Zannie is Annie. There was Xanax involved, not necessarily in use as an agent of the actual crime. But there is Xanax involved in this twisted story.

[need2no]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGhvoekY44

[Stellagant]

JMO, but I believe C&G both did not want Caylee's body to be found. They knew they had lost Caylee and did not want to lose Casey too. They did not want a body found, along with continued sightings of a "live" Caylee, to give reasonable doubt to the jury. I believe they knew the approximate area where the body was and made attempts to see that it was never found.

It's not that I believe George wanted the body to be found by search parties, what I believe happened is that George wanted the body protected and out of sight while the case was "hot" and later buried by himself. I do agree with you that George and Cindy's priority has been Casey's freedom. My fear is, that thanks to their own incredible flawed character, they just might succeed.

[Jester]

yes, I think the term is being used to try to explain her odd behavior during the time her daughter is missing. :wink:

Her lawyer trying to explain her bad behavior indeed.

It's not bots, there are so many posters on this evening I can't keep up.

[Imperfect4]

It's not that I believe George wanted the body to be found by search parties, what I believe happened is that George wanted the body protected and out of sight while the case was "hot" and later buried by himself. I do agree with you that George and Cindy's priority has been Casey's freedom. My fear is, that thanks to their own incredible flawed character, they just might succeed.

I don't think there's much chance of that. I can't imagine how the defense team could successfully weave either parent into the story of Caylee's initial disappearance. I also can't imagine presenting Casey as willing to take the fall for either of them -- even temporarily. As far as motives go, it's much easier to explain Casey's than George or Cindy's. I just can't conceive of a plausible story involving G or C as the murderer.

I do believe exposing the utterly dysfunctional, imo crippling relationships in the immediate family could go a long way toward generating enough sympathy for Casey to get her LWOP vs. death.

[Imperfect4]

Heading to bed, peeps.

See ya'll around tomorrow. :seeya:

[need2no]

Heading to bed, peeps.

See ya'll around tomorrow. :seeya:


Sleep tight..whatever the heck that means. :seeya:

[Stellagant]

I don't think there's much chance of that. I can't imagine how the defense team could successfully weave either parent into the story of Caylee's initial disappearance. I also can't imagine presenting Casey as willing to take the fall for either of them -- even temporarily. As far as motives go, it's much easier to explain Casey's than George or Cindy's. I just can't conceive of a plausible story involving G or C as the murderer.

I do believe exposing the utterly dysfunctional, imo crippling relationships in the immediate family could go a long way toward generating enough sympathy for Casey to get her LWOP vs. death.

If there is history of child physical abuse in that family by either George or Cindy, it will be easy to register at least reasonable doubt with Casey's jury because of the fact that Caylee lived under their roof. Casey's defense doesn't have to prove anything, they just have to create reasonable doubt.

And with a successful insanity defense, Casey won't take the fall at all.

At this point, I think one of these two scenarios will be the strategy of the defense.

[need2no]

:seeya: all. Time to change my clothes and go to bed.

You sleep tight too! :seeya:

[adair]

I've held hope that something could be discovered from the bones. I saw a Forensics show where they found some bones from a woman who had been missing for about 20 years. They ground the small bone fragments and discovered a poison...I think it may have been arsenic, but don't hold me to that. Anyway whatever it was this was the cause of her death. I can't help but think about that case when I think about Caylee's case and wonder if there were drugs in her system.

It just seemed to me that Dr. G (who I really like) spoke too soon with regard to the possibility of something being discovered through toxicology...of course that's probably because she didn't say what I wanted hear. :sad:


Since Caylee was cremated do you think that LE kept any tissue or bone for further analysis?

I did not think that if a person was murdered that their body could be cremated...maybe that is a law that varies from state to state...

[ttcRider]

Just got back from my date, anything new!? What did I miss?? :biggrin:

[Dells]

I think Casey blames Cindy for the fact that she is in jail facing murder charges. Having (unfortunately) been in close proximity with a couple of sociopaths in the past, I can guarantee that if Casey is one - and she certainly seems to have all the traits - her thinking is "if my b**ch mother had never called the cops, NONE of this ever would have happened!" :angry:jmo

Bolding mine....

I so agree. But what, did Casey think she could get away w/out explaining where Caylee was forever? :shrug:

[Stellagant]

Since Caylee was cremated do you think that LE kept any tissue or bone for further analysis?

I did not think that if a person was murdered that their body could be cremated...maybe that is a law that varies from state to state...

I don't believe there is any legal prohibition against LE keeping samples of tissue or bone for further analysis.

[need2no]

Since Caylee was cremated do you think that LE kept any tissue or bone for further analysis?

I did not think that if a person was murdered that their body could be cremated...maybe that is a law that varies from state to state...


I doubt it since the 'autopsy', if you want to call in an autopsy, was complete and they had already taken what they needed for toxicology tests.

I don't think there is a problem with cremation after an autopsy has been completed and the remains are released to the family, not that I'm aware of.

[Stellagant]

Bolding mine....

I so agree. But what, did Casey think she could get away w/out explaining where Caylee was forever? :shrug:

Casey seems to have a history of successfully blaming others for her screw-ups.

[adair]

JMO, but I believe C&G both did not want Caylee's body to be found. They knew they had lost Caylee and did not want to lose Casey too. They did not want a body found, along with continued sightings of a "live" Caylee, to give reasonable doubt to the jury. I believe they knew the approximate area where the body was and made attempts to see that it was never found.

I think that they wanted so bad to keep Caylee alive....I remember watching LKL (youtube) and cindy saying there a spotting in CA (?) and one ine IA, and one in timbucktoo.........I just sat there shaking my head. I know i dont have all the city:sighting correct... If they did have all these sighting, LET the professionals follow up, G&C do not need to be chasing poor little children who may look like Caylee all across the country.....jmo


jmo

[Dick Tracy]

It's not that I believe George wanted the body to be found by search parties, what I believe happened is that George wanted the body protected and out of sight while the case was "hot" and later buried by himself. I do agree with you that George and Cindy's priority has been Casey's freedom. My fear is, that thanks to their own incredible flawed character, they just might succeed.


IMHO, Casey will never go free. She can try and point the finger at any one else as being Caylee's kidnapper, but she'll never get rid of the smell of decomp in that car. Not that she didn't try. She may have had those gas cans in there to mask to try and mask that horrible stench.

[Stellagant]

IMHO, Casey will never go free. She can try and point the finger at any one else as being Caylee's kidnapper, but she'll never get rid of the smell of decomp in that car. Not that she didn't try. She may have had those gas cans in there to mask to try and mask that horrible stench.

There is a possibility she'll some day go free if she is successful with an insanity plea. Believe me, I don't want that to happen.

Gas that is stored in closed cans doesn't smell and I've not heard any mention that gas was poured on the carpet of the trunk. And there hasn't been any mention that there is proof Casey is the one who placed the body in the car. I just don't believe the proof of guilt is as iron-clad as some think it is.

[Dick Tracy]

Casey seems to have a history of successfully blaming others for her screw-ups.

Hi Stella,

That may be true, but in looking back at her past as documented in the mountain of information that's been released, I really don't see her screwing up and then passing the blame to others, until now. Sure, TOT MOM has been bailed out PLENTY by Mommy and Daddy financially, but for the most part, she just didn't give a rats azz about her future, or getting and eductation, or trying to help out financially around the house. They were constantly picking her up in that aspect.

She was living a fantasy life, always trying to one up anyone who would listen. A 20 year old having a NANNY? Yeah, right. What for? So she could play pretend. She never grew up, and she's delusional, and hopeless.

[ttcRider]

Yeah..... I forgot to mention that she has a little "deal" or "relationship" or something with the mod, so that if you say something that makes her mad, she gets the mod to ban you. She and some of her friends have been particularly vicious, bashing a murder victim's family on the other board, and they have been permitted to get away with that. Yet she gets all the cogent posters over there banned for doing nothing other than pissing her off. Then she and her 2 friends wonder why no one posts over there anymore, and try to claim that it's because the case is "cold". She'd just DIE if she knew where we REALLY post about that case, LOL.

What are you talking about? Who has a deal??? Am I on the wrong thread...:confused:
Nevermind... Good night peeps!

[Dick Tracy]

There is a possibility she'll some day go free if she is successful with an insanity plea. Believe me, I don't want that to happen.

Gas that is stored in closed cans doesn't smell and I've not heard any mention that gas was poured on the carpet of the trunk. And there hasn't been any mention that there is proof Casey is the one who placed the body in the car. I just don't believe the proof of guilt is as iron-clad as some think it is.

You're right, there is no proof. There was no proof that Scott Peterson killed his wife either. We can theorize about it all we want, but until the state lays its case out, and all the evidence, we just won't know.

My opinion is the state has a 100% link to the crime scene, hence the DP. We just don't know what the link is. YET.

[8BellesFan]

Casey seems to have a history of successfully blaming others for her screw-ups.

she's a very good liar. she had people believeing she had a nanny, a job at Universal with a desk and an employee of the month award, a job at Sports Authority, a rich daddy who was going to buy her a decked out car, her own credit and there were a couple of people who even believed she had a conscience....

[Stellagant]

Hi Stella,

That may be true, but in looking back at her past as documented in the mountain of information that's been released, I really don't see her screwing up and then passing the blame to others, until now. Sure, TOT MOM has been bailed out PLENTY by Mommy and Daddy financially, but for the most part, she just didn't give a rats azz about her future, or getting and eductation, or trying to help out financially around the house. They were constantly picking her up in that aspect.

She was living a fantasy life, always trying to one up anyone who would listen. A 20 year old having a NANNY? Yeah, right. What for? So she could play pretend. She never grew up, and she's delusional, and hopeless.

Not graduating high school is a screwup, imo. As is getting pregnant as an unwed teen. These are major life screwups her parents apparently enabled. You're right, high school drop-outs don't hire nannys. They are lucky to obtain minimum-wage jobs. So, why didn't her parents bother to investigate? Where is the concern for Caylee when they knew she wasn't home, sleeping in her own bed?

Living a fantasy life of grandiose delusions because one suffers from mental illness is an allowable defense. Rarely successful but it is still possible.

[Stellagant]

You're right, there is no proof. There was no proof that Scott Peterson killed his wife either. We can theorize about it all we want, but until the state lays its case out, and all the evidence, we just won't know.

My opinion is the state has a 100% link to the crime scene, hence the DP. We just don't know what the link is. YET.

The State may also be bluffing.

[seeing_eye]

The State may also be bluffing.

And the State may not be bluffing.

[Stellagant]

she's a very good liar. she had people believeing she had a nanny, a job at Universal with a desk and an employee of the month award, a job at Sports Authority, a rich daddy who was going to buy her a decked out car, her own credit and there were a couple of people who even believed she had a conscience....

Christian Karl Gerhartsreiter had two wives who believed he was a Rockefeller. He's using the insanity defense.

[Stellagant]

And the State may not be bluffing.

I sure hope you're right. The burden is on the state.

[8BellesFan]

Christian Karl Gerhartsreiter had two wives who believed he was a Rockefeller. He's using the insanity defense.

obviously the guy has no parents who are voting him mother of the year:wink:

[seeing_eye]

I sure hope you're right. The burden is on the state.

I hope I'm right too.

[Stellagant]

obviously the guy has no parents who are voting him mother of the year:wink:

no but the nutjob does have a little girl who apparently adores him and was allowed to be alone with him.

[Dick Tracy]

Not graduating high school is a screwup, imo. As is getting pregnant as an unwed teen. These are major life screwups her parents apparently enabled. You're right, high school drop-outs don't hire nannys. They are lucky to obtain minimum-wage jobs. So, why didn't her parents bother to investigate? Where is the concern for Caylee when they knew she wasn't home, sleeping in her own bed?

Living a fantasy life of grandiose delusions because one suffers from mental illness is an allowable defense. Rarely successful but it is still possible.


Absolutely, those things are screwups.. No diploma from HS. Having a baby in her teens. But I'm not sure I remember her blaming someone else for those things. Do you? Did she ever come out, point the finger at mom and dad and say "You enabled me. That's why I am screwed up". Sure, she blames her mom for being in jail. But if the state didn't have evidence of a crime, and all roads didn't lead to TOT MOM, would she still be in jail ? They have to have SOMETHING on her, other than the fact that she's just plain weird, and scared out of her mind.

[8BellesFan]

no but the nutjob does have a little girl who apparently adores him and was allowed to be alone with him.

I don't know a thing about it. didn't follow it I guess. did not intend to upset.

[8BellesFan]

I don't know if you're still here, Belles, but I just have to say that I don't think Casey is a very good liar at all. I think she just spun her storied and people rolled their eyes and said, "Yes Casey." "Sure Casey." I don't think she had all that many people fooled.

I'm here. I think she fooled the ones she needed to fool and when they stopped believing she moved on. New friends, new men.

[Stellagant]

Absolutely, those things are screwups.. No diploma from HS. Having a baby in her teens. But I'm not sure I remember her blaming someone else for those things. Do you? Did she ever come out, point the finger at mom and dad and say "You enabled me. That's why I am screwed up". Sure, she blames her mom for being in jail. But if the state didn't have evidence of a crime, and all roads didn't lead to TOT MOM, would she still be in jail ? They have to have SOMETHING on her, other than the fact that she's just plain weird, and scared out of her mind.

I'm sorry but I find the use of "Tot Mom" to be incredibly demeaning to Caylee.

In the many released narratives of LE interviews with Casey's friends, they portrayed Casey as constantly blaming others, especially her mother and father. Apparently, there were never any consequences for her actions because she still lived with them. But where did I say the state doesn't have evidence of a crime? The ME concluded it is a crime. I totally agree it was a crime.

[Dick Tracy]

The State may also be bluffing.

There's a very small minute chance of that. However, trying a DP case is an expensive proposition. Even though everyone in the public arena down there locally is screaming "hang her", if they truly didn't have something hard, I doubt they would have put the DP back on the table.

IMO

[Stellagant]

I don't know a thing about it. didn't follow it I guess. did not intend to upset.

You didn't upset. His trial is just getting underway. His attorneys want him to be called, "Clark Rockefeller." It amazes me that a person can marry and create a child and yet can't or won't recognize the signs they are nuts enough to be dangerous.

[Dick Tracy]

I'm sorry but I find the use of "Tot Mom" to be incredibly demeaning to Caylee.

In the many released narratives of LE interviews with Casey's friends, they portrayed Casey as constantly blaming others, especially her mother and father. Apparently, there were never any consequences for her actions because she still lived with them. But where did I say the state doesn't have evidence of a crime? The ME concluded it is a crime. I totally agree it was a crime.

I'm sorry you feel that way about me using the word tot mom. I don't find it demeaning to Caylee at all.

I've read a lot of those narratives myself, some of them two and three times. I recall them saying she was a great mom, a habitual liar, very socialable, a lightweight when it cames to pot and alcohol, and she always seemed to the "mother" of the group. They knew she was lying about things, but oh well, that's just Casey. I really don't recall anyone saying something happened that Casey had done, and she shifted the blame on to someone else, other than maybe George Anthony running over a squirrel, and now the car smells like someone died in it. But, maybe I'm forgetting a few things, because my memory isn't what it used to be!

You didn't say the state didn't have evidence of a crime.

[Stellagant]

There's a very small minute chance of that. However, trying a DP case is an expensive proposition. Even though everyone in the public arena down there locally is screaming "hang her", if they truly didn't have something hard, I doubt they would have put the DP back on the table.

IMO

This entire case has been expensive as all get out. I think they put the DP back on the table to apply pressure to George and Cindy to fess up.

[Dick Tracy]

This entire case has been expensive as all get out. I think they put the DP back on the table to apply pressure to George and Cindy to fess up.


Do you think this was premeditated?

[Stellagant]

I'm sorry you feel that way about me using the word tot mom. I don't find it demeaning to Caylee at all.

I've read a lot of those narratives myself, some of them two and three times. I recall them saying she was a great mom, a habitual liar, very socialable, a lightweight when it cames to pot and alcohol, and she always seemed to the "mother" of the group. They knew she was lying about things, but oh well, that's just Casey. I really don't recall anyone saying something happened that Casey had done, and she shifted the blame on to someone else, other than maybe George Anthony running over a squirrel, and now the car smells like someone died in it. But, maybe I'm forgetting a few things, because my memory isn't what it used to be!

You didn't say the state didn't have evidence of a crime.

To me, "tot" is a slang expression that means a small version such as in taters or liquor. I just hate to see it applied to Caylee.

[Stellagant]

Do you think this was premeditated?

Yes, unfortunately. I think Casey went off the deep end in retaliation.

[Dick Tracy]

Yes, unfortunately. I think Casey went off the deep end in retaliation.

ITA. In the blink of an eye.

[farrahrani]

I'm here. I think she fooled the ones she needed to fool and when they stopped believing she moved on. New friends, new men.


You and AnniePooh hit it on the head.

I never understood why people say she was a 'good' liar. An enthusiastic one, yes. Good? Not so much.

I've known people like her all my life, unfortunately was entrusted to their custody as a teen. In my experience, when they are caught in a lie, or pressed on something unlikely, they just elaborate on it further until you get tired of them 'wearing you down' and give up. It's easier to smile and nod, and roll your eyes once your back is turned and everyone else can get together and compare notes.

[farrahrani]

I'm sorry you feel that way about me using the word tot mom. I don't find it demeaning to Caylee at all.

I've read a lot of those narratives myself, some of them two and three times. I recall them saying she was a great mom, a habitual liar, very socialable, a lightweight when it cames to pot and alcohol, and she always seemed to the "mother" of the group. They knew she was lying about things, but oh well, that's just Casey. I really don't recall anyone saying something happened that Casey had done, and she shifted the blame on to someone else, other than maybe George Anthony running over a squirrel, and now the car smells like someone died in it. But, maybe I'm forgetting a few things, because my memory isn't what it used to be!

You didn't say the state didn't have evidence of a crime.

IIRC, it was Cindy who referred to Casey as 'mom' of the group, (saying her friends called her mom) trying to spin a better, mature, responsible image for the OC.

IMO

[Stellagant]

You and AnniePooh hit it on the head.

I never understood why people say she was a 'good' liar. An enthusiastic one, yes. Good? Not so much.

I've known people like her all my life, unfortunately was entrusted to their custody as a teen. In my experience, when they are caught in a lie, or pressed on something unlikely, they just elaborate on it further until you get tired of them 'wearing you down' and give up. It's easier to smile and nod, and roll your eyes once your back is turned and everyone else can get together and compare notes.

And therein lies the problem. Her parents took the path of 'smile and nod' and didn't intervene. Their lack of intervention allowed this perfect storm to continue to churn into a disaster. I will never understand why they never bothered to meet the Nanny, why they didn't insist Casey leave the child in their care when she went out nights or why they didn't enroll her in a quality preschool.

[Stellagant]

IIRC, it was Cindy who referred to Casey as 'mom' of the group, (saying her friends called her mom) trying to spin a better, mature, responsible image for the OC.

IMO

I think you're right.

[Stellagant]

IIRC, it was Cindy who referred to Casey as 'mom' of the group, (saying her friends called her mom) trying to spin a better, mature, responsible image for the OC.

IMO

And now that you mention this, didn't Rusty Yates do the same thing for Andrea?

[Dick Tracy]

IIRC, it was Cindy who referred to Casey as 'mom' of the group, (saying her friends called her mom) trying to spin a better, mature, responsible image for the OC.

IMO

No sir. There is discovery that a few of her friends mentioned her as being the "mother" of the group, chiding others not do this, or that. She cooked and clean for the boys over at TL's. I've just spent 15 minutes trying to find it via quick google searches, and can't locate it, but it's in the discovery that's been released.

And yes, Cindy did say that about Casey, as I recall.

[Stellagant]

I think it was just too much "work" to follow through and make sure that Casey was telling the truth, Caylee was safe, things were fine. They just didn't take the time.

You're right and Caylee paid a dear price.

[Stellagant]

No sir. There is discovery that a few of her friends mentioned her as being the "mother" of the group, chiding others not do this, or that. She cooked and clean for the boys over at TL's. I've just spent 15 minutes trying to find it via quick google searches, and can't locate it, but it's in the discovery that's been released.

And yes, Cindy did say that about Casey, as I recall.

I didn't take the friends' comments as to be all that flattering to Casey. They all had their own mothers.

[Dick Tracy]

You're right and Caylee paid a dear price.

Stella - You seem pretty up on this case. Let me ask you, what do you think Casey's backup plan was? Do you think she was going to move to California, and hang out with the Marine?

[Dick Tracy]

I didn't take the friends' comments as to be all that flattering to Casey. They all had their own mothers.

Flattering or not, they still said it. I've seen it with my own eye!

[Stellagant]

Stella - You seem pretty up on this case. Let me ask you, what do you think Casey's backup plan was? Do you think she was going to move to California, and hang out with the Marine?

I don't believe she had a back-up plan.

[Explorer]

:biggrin::rolleyes:

[Stellagant]

Flattering or not, they still said it. I've seen it with my own eye!

Yes, they said it but their comments were mostly about how Casey acted around them. The comments had little to do with Caylee-Casey relationship, which was all for show anyway. The friends didn't see the "real" side of Casey. She made sure of that.

[Jester]

Not graduating high school is a screwup, imo. As is getting pregnant as an unwed teen. These are major life screwups her parents apparently enabled. You're right, high school drop-outs don't hire nannys. They are lucky to obtain minimum-wage jobs. So, why didn't her parents bother to investigate? Where is the concern for Caylee when they knew she wasn't home, sleeping in her own bed?

Living a fantasy life of grandiose delusions because one suffers from mental illness is an allowable defense. Rarely successful but it is still possible.

Who do you suppose has grandiose delusions?

[Jester]

Yes, they said it but their comments were mostly about how Casey acted around them. The comments had little to do with Caylee-Casey relationship, which was all for show anyway. The friends didn't see the "real" side of Casey. She made sure of that.

Please describe the "real side" that you reference.

Thanks

[Stellagant]

Who do you suppose has grandiose delusions?

The one claiming to be something she wasn't is Casey Anthony.

[Jester]

I don't believe she had a back-up plan.

No back up plan? Why did she call the boyfriend in California and say she didn't want to talk, but wanted to visit?

[farrahrani]

Flattering or not, they still said it. I've seen it with my own eye!


Ok, my bad. I don't see everything with this case, my life is too hectic, and I kind of stopped checking for weeks at a time. I do recall Cindy saying it, which definitely got my radar up, lol.

If you've seen it, I'll just take your word for it. :thumbsup:

[Stellagant]

Please describe the "real side" that you reference.

Thanks

You'll find it in Jesse Grund's comments.

[Stellagant]

No back up plan? Why did she call the boyfriend in California and say she didn't want to talk, but wanted to visit?

You'll have to ask Casey, who is a liar.

[Jester]

The one claiming to be something she wasn't is Casey Anthony.

What do you mean by "claiming to be something she wasn't"? She was an uneducated, lying wench who seduced any man in her sights. Is there anyone that didn't see her for who she was?

TonE even saw her for what she was once he looked around.

[Stellagant]

Ok, my bad. I don't see everything with this case, my life is too hectic, and I kind of stopped checking for weeks at a time. I do recall Cindy saying it, which definitely got my radar up, lol.

If you've seen it, I'll just take your word for it. :thumbsup:

You're right, Cindy did try to project that image. Not very successfully, imo.

[Dick Tracy]

I don't believe she had a back-up plan.

Well, she'd ripped checks off from people, and soon someone was going to scream thief. She mentioned she stole money to TL about having a backup plan. She couldn't keep hanging around much longer, and she was schmoozing the Marine out west.

[Jester]

You'll find it in Jesse Grund's comments.

You believe that she became the person her new friend wanted her to be?

[Jester]

Well, she'd ripped checks off from people, and soon someone was going to scream thief. She mentioned she stole money to TL about having a backup plan. She couldn't keep hanging around much longer, and she was schmoozing the Marine out west.

Plan B ...

[Stellagant]

Well, she'd ripped checks off from people, and soon someone was going to scream thief. She mentioned she stole money to TL about having a backup plan. She couldn't keep hanging around much longer, and she was schmoozing the Marine out west.

Maybe if someone had screamed "thief" a tad sooner, a child would still be alive.

Casey ripped off her own grandparents, her daughter, her parents, her friend she had invited to move in with her and nobody had screamed thief. Yet.

Casey schmoozed a lot.

[Jester]

And now that you mention this, didn't Rusty Yates do the same thing for Andrea?

No Sir, Rusty isolated Andrea until she was completely stupid and crazy. He had a salary to provide a decent home to his wife and children, yet he forced them to live in an isolated trailer, her constantly pregnant and alone. Of course she went crazy ... in spite of the fact that they met at university and were equally capable.

[Stellagant]

No Sir, Rusty isolated Andrea until she was completely stupid and crazy. He had a salary to provide a decent home to his wife and children, yet he forced them to live in an isolated trailer, her constantly pregnant and alone. Of course she went crazy ... in spite of the fact that they met at university and were equally capable.

My comments pertained to Rusty's comments about Andrea's mothering skills AFTER the murder of their children.

:rolleyes:

[nothingnew]

Flattering or not, they still said it. I've seen it with my own eye!

All that I remember is that they called her "mom", not that she was mothering towards them. I took it more as a mini-taunt sort of thing, kind of reminding casey that she had responsibilities and they were carefree. I doubt anyone envied her for being a mommy (no insult meant to Caylee) because I only recall maybe 2 other friends of hers being moms also and they were friends of the past-not the cool party people of her "present".

[nothingnew]

Who do you suppose has grandiose delusions?

The pointer and the ring finger of that sad shriveling hand. That's my guess anyway.

[Stellagant]

No Sir, Rusty isolated Andrea until she was completely stupid and crazy. He had a salary to provide a decent home to his wife and children, yet he forced them to live in an isolated trailer, her constantly pregnant and alone. Of course she went crazy ... in spite of the fact that they met at university and were equally capable.

fyi: "met at university" is not an American expression. Interesting that all the posters who have accused me of being a troll aren't in America.

[Stellagant]

All that I remember is that they called her "mom", not that she was mothering towards them. I took it more as a mini-taunt sort of thing, kind of reminding casey that she had responsibilities and they were carefree. I doubt anyone envied her for being a mommy (no insult meant to Caylee) because I only recall maybe 2 other friends of hers being moms also and they were friends of the past-not the cool party people of her "present".

I took it to mean the same thing. Thanks, nothingnew

[nothingnew]

No back up plan? Why did she call the boyfriend in California and say she didn't want to talk, but wanted to visit?

I don't know what the heck is up with the lack of any plan as far as casey is concerned. She didn't have a job, no commitments, all the time in the world and yet she comes up with the nanny story complete with details that she appears to just make up at that moment. I think calling the California guy was in hopes of getting some cash. She wasn't living at her parents so it was harder to steal from them, George had probably stopped putting money in the piggy bank for Caylee because she wasn't there, she couldn't sell the car because it smelled like a dead body in there, TonE and friends might not have had money laying around for her to pocket and Grandma wasn't going to be sending her any checks any time soon. That's my opinion-with the ant women it always points to someone else's wallet.

[aproudmom]

Maybe if someone had screamed "thief" a tad sooner, a child would still be alive.

Casey ripped off her own grandparents, her daughter, her parents, her friend she had invited to move in with her and nobody had screamed thief. Yet.

Casey schmoozed a lot.

ITA she could have been saved if only someone would have put her U know what in the slammer for awhile for theft also did she not steal her mothers credit card and run up a HUGE bill..yep well we know why she did not have to work for 2yrs she was a professional of signing everyone's name on the back of a check..jmo

[Stellagant]

ITA she could have been saved if only someone would have put her U know what in the slammer for awhile for theft also did she not steal her mothers credit card and run up a HUGE bill..yep well we know why she did not have to work for 2yrs she was a professional of signing everyone's name on the back of a check..jmo

I agree. I don't understand why her parents did not intervene and seek some kind of treatment.

[aproudmom]

I agree. I don't understand why her parents did not intervene and seek some kind of treatment.

they should have they all knew she was a thief when he filed the report for missing gas cans we all know he knew just who came and got them. and CA mother said she did not press charges only for CA and Caylee not because it was KC..Just wish someone would have stepped up to her and taken caylee or pressed charges on her..we would not be on here talking about this sweet little ANGEL right now:crying:

[Stellagant]

they should have they all knew she was a thief when he filed the report for missing gas cans we all know he knew just who came and got them. and CA mother said she did not press charges only for CA and Caylee not because it was KC..Just wish someone would have stepped up to her and taken caylee or pressed charges on her..we would not be on here talking about this sweet little ANGEL right now:crying:

All very true. The secrets that went on behind the closed doors cost this child her life.

[aproudmom]

All very true. The secrets that went on behind the closed doors cost this child her life.

that is just why CA does not want the truth to be told it ruins her perfect June Cleaver image...:biggrin:

[Stellagant]

that is just why CA does not want the truth to be told it ruins her perfect June Cleaver image...:biggrin:

Casey's attorney intends to trash that image, imo

[aproudmom]

All that I remember is that they called her "mom", not that she was mothering towards them. I took it more as a mini-taunt sort of thing, kind of reminding casey that she had responsibilities and they were carefree. I doubt anyone envied her for being a mommy (no insult meant to Caylee) because I only recall maybe 2 other friends of hers being moms also and they were friends of the past-not the cool party people of her "present".

I got to agree
I hate to say it but I lost a lot of friends because I was a single mother at 18 and I was not going out to party and leave him every night so they went on with out me even my very close friends so my Mom ended up being my BFF but it is ok they were never friends in the first place I guess..not blaming her new friends just saying KC was running with people who did not have children so they were able to go out she was not well she did for 31 days I guess..hope she enjoyed her freedom

[Stellagant]

I got to agree
I hate to say it but I lost a lot of friends because I was a single mother at 18 and I was not going out to party and leave him every night so they went on with out me even my very close friends so my Mom ended up being my BFF but it is ok they were never friends in the first place I guess..not blaming her new friends just saying KC was running with people who did not have children so they were able to go out she was not well she did for 31 days I guess..hope she enjoyed her freedom

I must say, I think there are much worse outcomes in life that being best friends with your mother, your sister, dad or brother.

Casey Anthony says Caylee was missing for 31 days. I don't believe her nor do I believe her parents were not in on it.

[aproudmom]

I must say, I think there are much worse outcomes in life that being best friends with your mother, your sister, dad or brother.

Casey Anthony says Caylee was missing for 31 days. I don't believe her nor do I believe her parents were not in on it.

oh I agree my best friends are my family god bless them I just knew when I was having a child it was time to grow up and be a mother heck I did not even go out on my big 21 I wanted to be with my son when I was not at work... KC is a liar that baby was more than likely no longer alive the day she walked out of that home this little girl was never missing she was throw away like trash by her mother. I am not sure if they were in on it I think they knew much earlier than I thought in the beginning..that one I just can not even comment on cause I still do not know what I believe they knew and when they knew it

[aproudmom]

I agree completely with your posts. Ms Lyon is there TO uncover family secrets. We will eventually hear them all, IMO.

:scared:omg she best be careful CA loves her bats and hammers don't pizz off Mizz Cindy and Georgie or they will get his water hose out and Cindy will have her hammer so Lyons best not turn her back on them or else

[aproudmom]

thread for Sunday opened hope I did it right..

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13155793#post13155793

[Katprint]

What do you mean by "claiming to be something she wasn't"? She was an uneducated, lying wench who seduced any man in her sights. Is there anyone that didn't see her for who she was?

TonE even saw her for what she was once he looked around.
I think Casey was successful in fooling many of the people who considered themselves to be her friends. People like Amy Huizenga, who loaned Casey her car only to have Casey take advantage of her generosity by stealing the checkbook Amy accidentally left in her own car, and who was fooled by Casey's many stories like George and Cindy were going to sign the title to their house over to Casey when they divorced and then Amy could move in there with Casey, and George having a mini-stroke, and George running over a squirrel with Casey's car. It was only after Caylee's "disappearance" (murder), on top of Casey's stealing money from Amy, that Amy realized that "we now know that nothing Casey says is true." http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642949/Huizenga-Amy---Statement

Normal people accept their friends at face value. It would be very strange for someone to be in the habit of performing background checks on their friends. Hindsight is 20/20.

Katprint
Always only my opinions

[MIwatcher]

Something that has nagged at me for a bit...I thought I read that not too long after the car was picked up from Amscot, the Anthony's miracously decided to get a new clothes washer.

WTF? If that doesn't spell "we have something to hide" I don't know what does. Is it possible LE somehow confiscated or found that old washing machine, since I am sure that's the machine that washed Casey's clothes Cindy found in the car.

Any thoughts on this?

[bchand]

Something that has nagged at me for a bit...I thought I read that not too long after the car was picked up from Amscot, the Anthony's miracously decided to get a new clothes washer.

WTF? If that doesn't spell "we have something to hide" I don't know what does. Is it possible LE somehow confiscated or found that old washing machine, since I am sure that's the machine that washed Casey's clothes Cindy found in the car.

Any thoughts on this?

Hi MIwatcher - if no one's told you yet, come over to the Sunday thread. Everyone's over there.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=354242&page=12