Saturday, May 30, 2009 [Archive] - Page 3 - In Session Message Boards

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:20 PM

Do we know when the jail reaction video will be released?I am confused as to when the hearing is... but there will be a hearing supposedly around June 22 to discuss SOMEthing. And then Judge Strickland gave the media, or was it the county?... anyway, he gave them a week to respond to Jose's amended motion that they received the night before the hearing - so there may be a hearing next week, also (although I am thinking it all eventually got lumped into the June 22 hearing). JMO

apothecary

05-30-2009, 10:20 PM

Now that the new DPQ attorney has joined the defense team, this might be a good time to remind any IS newcomers that often in high-profile cases, the defense hires people to "infiltrate" the boards, planting seeds of doubt, etc. With the addition of Ms Lyon to the team, I have no doubt that this has occurred. JMO I think the last time this happened in this case was when NeJame was on board, but not really a peep since he left. Again, all JMO
Wow...Do you think there is a mole amongst us?:sneaky:

MIwatcher

05-30-2009, 10:21 PM

I see the murderer referred to as OC quite frequently...what does this stand for? (I have a guess, but it's pretty nasty) :tongueside:

Thanks!
Carolyn

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 10:21 PM

Just wanted to say hi. Just found these boards this past week and I have to say, the best site I have found yet for info on this case. A lot of intelligent, informative people here and I really enjoy reading everyone's comments, ideas, etc. I live in Michigan, so we don't hear too much about this case, so I have to get it all from the message boards.

Quick question, since I don't have a much time as I'd like to follow this...I keep reading rumors that Lee's girlfriend is expecting. Where did this rumor start? Is there any confirmation that it is true?

Carolyn :smile:

Hello and welcome. :smile:

That has been the rumor since day 31 -- no idea how it started. Has turned out to be false, unless she's expecting a baby elephant (long gestation period). :laugh:

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 10:22 PM

I see the murderer referred to as OC quite frequently...what does this stand for? (I have a guess, but it's pretty nasty) :tongueside:

Thanks!
Carolyn

Odious Creature. Coined by Mark Klaas.

CelticDawn

05-30-2009, 10:23 PM

In thinking about it, I'm not so sure that anyone did help her dispose of the body. If the neighbors statement is true, Casey backed her car up to the garage. I immediately thought that no one was home. Where were the Anthonys that night? Was there car there?

I believe that casey panicked the day of the gas can incident and quick=ly got caylees body out of the trunk as soon as she got away from george.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 10:23 PM

I have seen that behavior in Latin males before. My friends DH is from Uruguay and I made the mistake of trying to pay for my portion of the meal. He was highly insulted that I would dis him in public that way. :sad: I agree. The macho uculture of Latin males is notorious. In education, a male janitor will get more respect than a female principal. I have seen only one exception to that.

Barbara fl.

05-30-2009, 10:24 PM

Now that the new DPQ attorney has joined the defense team, this might be a good time to remind any IS newcomers that often in high-profile cases, the defense hires people to "infiltrate" the boards, planting seeds of doubt, etc. With the addition of Ms Lyon to the team, I have no doubt that this has occurred. JMO I think the last time this happened in this case was when NeJame was on board, but not really a peep since he left. Again, all JMO

Your right...I believe it is a common practice in high profile cases...especially when the defense doesn't have a defense....they throw someone out there to try and convert some people...

Ha...fat chance in this case.../:laugh:

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:24 PM

I can't help but be curious about what was up with Cindy at the hearing. To start with she almost sits on the prosecution side when she enters the court room. Then there was her appearance and demeanor, followed by no conversation with the media after the hearing. To me it appeared that Cindy had not gotten much sleep in at least a couple of days, and/or she had been crying quite a bit. Her eyes were puffy and had dark circles. George didn't look good either. I couldn't determine if Cindy appeared more upset, or more angry, but something was different.

So I started thinking about what has happened recently that could have gotten them upset:

*perhaps something in a recent doc dump that Baez shared with them
*reason George went for a job interview (money running dry? Lee moving out? foundation not bringing in the $) Or was George dressed up for some other reason that has Cindy upset
*related to reason Conway claimed he injuried his back and couldn't attend the hearing (are they not seeing eye to eye w/BC) they didn't seem to friendly at the hearing
*knowing time is running out before the next hearing regarding Morgan depos and having to answer those questions they don't want to answer
*Cindy's upcoming 51st birthday on June 5th
*possibly a meeting with Andrea Lyon where she laid out her plan to save casey's life and Cindy didn't like the ground rules
*recent threats of charges by LE
*evidence in dumped docs that prove they lied (again) about something
*June 15th right around the corner

Anyone else have any ideas? Anyone else care? :biggrin:lol, n2n, they are ALL good reasons! Maybe it is the cumulative effect of ALL of them at once?

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:25 PM

I think the terrible family secret is playing out right in front of us, and the secret is: this family is terrible. I honestly no longer think there's any big shocking secret. Imo, there doesn't have to be. When the foundation of your family and your lives is lying, manipulating, and never taking responsibility for your actions, it can really look just as ugly as this looks without anything more going on. Especially when you're dealing with not just one, but two family members with acute narcissism and sociopathic tendencies.

I've decided George's primary motivator in life is to stay with Cindy. Toward that end, he'll say what he needs to say and do what he needs to do. No one in this group is guided by principles or a moral compass, but simply by getting what they want when they want it. imo

You're probably right about George wanting to stay with Cindy. Financially, he's a waste, and Cindy has to share to get rid of him. She's not going to share, and he's going to continue sponging.

Getting what they want is right ... I agree. They're constantly triangulating each other while scheming to make their point, influence opinions, get something, or blindside each other.

need2no

05-30-2009, 10:25 PM

sunstar

05-30-2009, 10:25 PM

Caylee's grandmother, Cynthia Anthony, said the shovel was for yard work and said Casey didn't have keys to the family tool shed.

"We have bamboo growing in our backyard. The only way to get rid of it is to use a shovel," Cynthia told Eyewitness Newshttp://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html
Thanks :smile: I also found this part interesting ~

"The Anthonys say they're sure Casey is telling the truth about that phone call despite lies to law enforcement.

"We don't know why she's been misleading them (law enforcement)," said Cynthia.

Cynthia believes if someone took Caylee, that person might have threatened Casey, the toddler or her family. She also feels Casey knows that person.

"And she feels compelled to put the blame on herself than some other person," said Cynthia. "That's the type of person Casey is.""

So, Cindy is admitting Casey lied to LE? And that she'd stay in jail and say nothing to protect somebody else? :scared:

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:27 PM

Just wanted to say hi. Just found these boards this past week and I have to say, the best site I have found yet for info on this case. A lot of intelligent, informative people here and I really enjoy reading everyone's comments, ideas, etc. I live in Michigan, so we don't hear too much about this case, so I have to get it all from the message boards.

Quick question, since I don't have a much time as I'd like to follow this...I keep reading rumors that Lee's girlfriend is expecting. Where did this rumor start? Is there any confirmation that it is true?

Carolyn :smile:Welcome, MI!

Rumors have been circulating concerning Mally-bu's pregnancy since not long after this case broke in July. If she is still pregnant now, I would imagine they are all worried about her health. JMO

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:27 PM

LOL - and why there are almost 100 people on this forum on a Saturday night!

I almost feel sorry for George. He could be a character in a Greek Tragedy.

It's bots, most likely.

bchand

05-30-2009, 10:27 PM

I can't help but be curious about what was up with Cindy at the hearing. To start with she almost sits on the prosecution side when she enters the court room. Then there was her appearance and demeanor, followed by no conversation with the media after the hearing. To me it appeared that Cindy had not gotten much sleep in at least a couple of days, and/or she had been crying quite a bit. Her eyes were puffy and had dark circles. George didn't look good either. I couldn't determine if Cindy appeared more upset, or more angry, but something was different.

So I started thinking about what has happened recently that could have gotten them upset:

*perhaps something in a recent doc dump that Baez shared with them
*reason George went for a job interview (money running dry? Lee moving out? foundation not bringing in the $) Or was George dressed up for some other reason that has Cindy upset
*related to reason Conway claimed he injuried his back and couldn't attend the hearing (are they not seeing eye to eye w/BC) they didn't seem to friendly at the hearing
*knowing time is running out before the next hearing regarding Morgan depos and having to answer those questions they don't want to answer
*Cindy's upcoming 51st birthday on June 5th
*possibly a meeting with Andrea Lyon where she laid out her plan to save casey's life and Cindy didn't like the ground rules
*recent threats of charges by LE
*evidence in dumped docs that prove they lied (again) about something
*June 15th right around the corner

Anyone else have any ideas? Anyone else care? :biggrin:

I'll acknowledge your post because you worked so hard need!!

I don't care what the matter is with Cindy. :sneaky:

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:28 PM

IMO she is definitely either a sociopath, narcissist, psycopath or some mixture of all of them. She might even be a borderline. The lack of empathy and the capacity for normal human relatedness is something all of those disorders share.

I'm going with sociopath ... no normal emotional reactions.

kOOkie1

05-30-2009, 10:28 PM

Just wanted to say hi. Just found these boards this past week and I have to say, the best site I have found yet for info on this case. A lot of intelligent, informative people here and I really enjoy reading everyone's comments, ideas, etc. I live in Michigan, so we don't hear too much about this case, so I have to get it all from the message boards.

Quick question, since I don't have a much time as I'd like to follow this...I keep reading rumors that Lee's girlfriend is expecting. Where did this rumor start? Is there any confirmation that it is true?

Carolyn :smile:

:seeya:Welcome MI..this is a wonderful place with wonderful people ..you will def. enjoy it here.

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:28 PM

Wow...Do you think there is a mole amongst us?:sneaky:Just a public service announcement... :biggrin:

*MoonRider*

05-30-2009, 10:28 PM

Maybe casey will get lucky and there will be a lot of bamboo in her work area. With her experience they might make her the leader of the chain gang....and we've heard how she likes to be the 'muther figure' for all her friends. :wink:
I think "Large Marge" and "Big Bertha" will befriend her without haste. imo

need2no

05-30-2009, 10:30 PM

lol, n2n, they are ALL good reasons! Maybe it is the cumulative effect of ALL of them at once?

Could be, and could be something not on the list, something really juicy.:laugh:

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:30 PM

There are all kinds of things that have not been answered. Were OCs
finger prints on the tape on Caylee's mouth? More forensic about the body and I think some FBI reports. Maggots? Does this mean there is positive evidence that the pros. does not want to release yet?Do you mean exculpatory evidence? I think they have to release that too.. but I am not a legal expert by any means!

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:30 PM

No, absolutely nothing has been reported about that. Just someone else stirrin' up trouble.

Yes. I find it odd that NG still gets on TV every night talking about this case. It's like she has a bee in her bonnet because of Cindy's deception at the beginning. Maybe it's time to read some of the docs that have been released ... I skimmed it all because there was so much of it.

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 10:30 PM

I can't help but be curious about what was up with Cindy at the hearing. To start with she almost sits on the prosecution side when she enters the court room. Then there was her appearance and demeanor, followed by no conversation with the media after the hearing. To me it appeared that Cindy had not gotten much sleep in at least a couple of days, and/or she had been crying quite a bit. Her eyes were puffy and had dark circles. George didn't look good either. I couldn't determine if Cindy appeared more upset, or more angry, but something was different.

So I started thinking about what has happened recently that could have gotten them upset:

*perhaps something in a recent doc dump that Baez shared with them
*reason George went for a job interview (money running dry? Lee moving out? foundation not bringing in the $) Or was George dressed up for some other reason that has Cindy upset
*related to reason Conway claimed he injuried his back and couldn't attend the hearing (are they not seeing eye to eye w/BC) they didn't seem to friendly at the hearing
*knowing time is running out before the next hearing regarding Morgan depos and having to answer those questions they don't want to answer
*Cindy's upcoming 51st birthday on June 5th
*possibly a meeting with Andrea Lyon where she laid out her plan to save casey's life and Cindy didn't like the ground rules
*recent threats of charges by LE
*evidence in dumped docs that prove they lied (again) about something
*June 15th right around the corner

Anyone else have any ideas? Anyone else care? :biggrin:

She did look out of sorts. And George didn't appear to be consoling her, which isn't really his style anyway, but I just wondered if perhaps they'd been arguing.

It's impossible to know what's got her goat, except that it probably has something to do with either money, or control. She's preoccupied with both, and tends to get real crabby when threatened with the loss of either.

need2no

05-30-2009, 10:31 PM

I think "Large Marge" and "Big Bertha" will befriend her without haste. imo

LOL-you betcha, even without the push up bra and boots.:biggrin:

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 10:31 PM

Changes of venue are to ensure the defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial with an impartial jury. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with convenience to witnesses or attorneys. The jury will see the same evidence no matter where the trial is held so I'm curious why you are so worried about change of venue? I think she can get a fair trial where she is. I think moving it to Miami will cause undue hardship and judges DO HAVE to consider that. They should never move it to an area where one atty has an advantage over another.

People underestimate jurors. The problem is not finding someone who has heard nothing of this case. The problem is finding a jury who can suspend what they know and rely ONLY on the testimony.

Baez wants it in Miami because of the Latin population there. However, I don't think you can call a jury of Latins a jury of Casey's peers - unless she has married Baez by then. j/k

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 10:32 PM

IIRC, there was no fingerprints on the duct tape. That was supposed to be a real blow to the state. Didn't change a thing for me thought.

I heard that their were maggots in the trunk of the car which apparently came from the rotten pizza. However, I also heard that the pizza box was empty and there was no pizza in it. If there was decomp fluid in the trunk, and I believe there was, the maggots more than likely came from that.

There may not have been pizza in the box but there could have been pizza residue on the box that resulted in maggots.

No fingerprints on the duct tape is a huge blow to the state's case against Casey. The only member of the household who would know to be careful not to leave prints or anything else specific to Casey would be George, imo.

sunstar

05-30-2009, 10:32 PM

I don't really understand ugly coping, unless it's referring to people that hit a depression, or bad spot, in their lives and take up partying. Is that what Baez is trying to say Casey did after murdering her daughter, took up grief induced partying?

yes, I think the term is being used to try to explain her odd behavior during the time her daughter is missing. :wink:

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:33 PM

There is discussion at another forum about this, also. Although I think that discussion is leading toward George, not Cindy. JMO

As an accomplice? George is nasty, evasive, deceptive, and not exactly Mr Upstanding. As a former police officer, I think he would have done a better job of hiding the evidence if he were involved. Casey did the typical - body found near the home, and all the activities of the month before Caylee was found. If George was involved, I think he would have reigned Casey in for a month or two, and she would have listened. Additionally, we have the jailhouse tape of "daddy, it's good to get to know you" stuff. I'm referring to the early tape where everyone was crying, and Casey named George as her favorite person if she could meet with one person. Then again, maybe they needed to cover their tracks better and needed a private visit.

CelticDawn

05-30-2009, 10:33 PM

I'll acknowledge your post because you worked so hard need!!

I don't care what the matter is with Cindy. :sneaky:

I dont care much either because she has alienated the people who care about justice ofr caylee even though WE never met her in life....we seem to care more aobut her than her own family or should I say "biological relations" because biology does not a family make....

Cindy IMO appeared to be ill...maybe the flu or a bad warm weather cold??....

semed to be a bit of distance between her and Conway too....Im sick of him anyway...

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:34 PM

Your right...I believe it is a common practice in high profile cases...especially when the defense doesn't have a defense....they throw someone out there to try and convert some people...

Ha...fat chance in this case.../:laugh:My guess is this happens ONLY in high-profile cases, as it is extremely unlikely statistically that any ONE message boarder could be picked for the jury. Rather, it is an attempt to sway public opinion in general. If the whole nation thinks someone is guilty, it is unlikely that person will be found innocent if only due to social pressure (although one notable exception comes to mind!). JMO

need2no

05-30-2009, 10:34 PM

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:37 PM

IIRC, there was no fingerprints on the duct tape. That was supposed to be a real blow to the state. Didn't change a thing for me thought.

I heard that their were maggots in the trunk of the car which apparently came from the rotten pizza. However, I also heard that the pizza box was empty and there was no pizza in it. If there was decomp fluid in the trunk, and I believe there was, the maggots more than likely came from that.I didn't really know what to make of the fingerprint report that was released. It excluded GA, CA, and LA if I recall correctly... but didn't mention Casey.

We have heard zilch on maggot evidence as far as I know.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 10:37 PM

Are you joking or did they really say that the evidence was to prejudicial? Not even Baez could be that dumb. could he?
Absolutely he could. He is not even arguing the tape admittance on any legal grounds. I would post the correct legal argument, but I don't want to tip him off.

bchand

05-30-2009, 10:37 PM

She did look out of sorts. And George didn't appear to be consoling her, which isn't really his style anyway, but I just wondered if perhaps they'd been arguing.

It's impossible to know what's got her goat, except that it probably has something to do with either money, or control. She's preoccupied with both, and tends to get real crabby when threatened with the loss of either.

You know with Cindy it could have been something as simple as she didn't get a front row seat. You know how entitled she feels she is.

CelticDawn

05-30-2009, 10:38 PM

IIRC, there was no fingerprints on the duct tape. That was supposed to be a real blow to the state. Didn't change a thing for me thought.

I heard that their were maggots in the trunk of the car which apparently came from the rotten pizza. However, I also heard that the pizza box was empty and there was no pizza in it. If there was decomp fluid in the trunk, and I believe there was, the maggots more than likely came from that.

MAGGOTS will not typically go for PROCESSED MEAT....nor do processed meats and cheeses produce the amino groups associated with putrefactine and cadaverine (sp)....The whole thing is a farce...a ruse....and a dumb excuse at that.....LE (all agencies involved) know it, the ublic knows it, Baez and company know it (even if it is through being told)....and they still expect to shove that down a jurys throat. Maybe theyre going to seek out juries with lobotomies.

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:38 PM

Yes, we're speculating that an Anthony or three (those not yet incarcerated) could be hung out to dry in the defense team's effort to either pin the murder on someone else, or show the "mitigating circumstance" of growing up with George and Cindy's careful guidance. :rolleyes:

As an adult, I don't think Casey can claim any mitigating circumstances. She had several influences, including public education, that taught her right from wrong. As an adult, she could make a conscious choice, and she chose murder.

As for successfully hanging the family out to dry, I doubt it will work. The family hid what they knew, like the fact that the Winnie the Pooh laundry bag was missing, but if given the choice I think they would have raised Caylee without Casey. I think they saw Caylee as their chance to do it right, and Casey was not going to let that happen.

KittyMom

05-30-2009, 10:39 PM

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:40 PM

Anything is possible but I more feel that they have been covering up for her. Who knows - George and/or Lee could have even helped her dispose of the body. But I totally believe that Caylee killed her daughter.

I also believe they are covering up for her. In my opinion, if anyone else was involved it was Lee ... or maybe Lee did the most covering up.

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:40 PM

Could be, and could be something not on the list, something really juicy.:laugh:Very true... I really don't think anything would surprise me in this case at this point.

KittyMom

05-30-2009, 10:40 PM

Anakerie

05-30-2009, 10:40 PM

It's bots, most likely.
Or lurkers like me.. :seeya:

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 10:42 PM

I can't understand either, except that justice for Caylee means Cindy acknowledging her daughter is a murderer. Maybe that's just something she can't, or won't, do. It sure would ruin the family image and prove Casey wasn't a "good mother". MOO It might cut down on her contributions to her "foundation" too. moo

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:42 PM

We do not know yet IF it will be released. The judge delayed ruling. I forgot for how long. 30 days? :confused:

Thanks. It's been a long wait for that one. I don't see that her rights were violated. She had the same situation, except in a common room, when the Padilla creek search was done. She yawned and walked away. When Caylee was discovered, she had a completely different reaction, and that's probative. It's makes a point that her reaction is significant, and relevant to the case.

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:43 PM

Now that the new DPQ attorney has joined the defense team, this might be a good time to remind any IS newcomers that often in high-profile cases, the defense hires people to "infiltrate" the boards, planting seeds of doubt, etc. With the addition of Ms Lyon to the team, I have no doubt that this has occurred. JMO I think the last time this happened in this case was when NeJame was on board, but not really a peep since he left. Again, all JMO

Cindy probably made a fuss about the discussion and, as her lawyer, he was compelled to check it out.

kOOkie1

05-30-2009, 10:44 PM

You know with Cindy it could have been something as simple as she didn't get a front row seat. You know how entitled she feels she is.

Aint that the truth! I guess she still does not get that Casey would not have given her a glance or wave even if she was sitting right behind her-her need for Casey to acknowlege her is pathetic:glare:

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:44 PM

Yes. I find it odd that NG still gets on TV every night talking about this case. It's like she has a bee in her bonnet because of Cindy's deception at the beginning. Maybe it's time to read some of the docs that have been released ... I skimmed it all because there was so much of it.The interviews are definitely worth reading. There are some websites such as acandyrose that have everything organized for easy access (interviews, timeline, key people, etc.) - although I have noticed that some of the more recently released material is not on the acandyrose site. Anyway, here is the link to that site - there are several others, too:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_directory_index.htm

ETA: I think the more interesting interviews are of the towyard guy, the Sawgrass guy, Ryan Pasley, and then the obvious ones (Jesse, Tony L, Tony R... also the Iassen interview is interesting, IMO). Tons of good reading/listening/viewing...

need2no

05-30-2009, 10:44 PM

My guess is this happens ONLY in high-profile cases, as it is extremely unlikely statistically that any ONE message boarder could be picked for the jury. Rather, it is an attempt to sway public opinion in general. If the whole nation thinks someone is guilty, it is unlikely that person will be found innocent if only due to social pressure (although one notable exception comes to mind!). JMO

I believe many law offices also have people to post on the boards to get a feel for what the public thinks...what do we think is the most compelling evidence, what is it they dislike the most about their client, are there any negative comments about his/her appearance and demeanor, what do they think happened and why, etc.

In a case I followed on the boards a newly registered poster started zeroing in on my posts one night and kept asking me straightforward pointed questions, to which I responded. As the evening went on I realized this 'new' poster was likely a mole from an attorney's office. I have no idea why he/she picked me out of the crowd on board. After that night this poster never posted again.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 10:44 PM

Cindy is possessed........errr I mean consumed with a lot of things ....and I dont see any guilt in the pile.....arrogance, entitlement, meanness, ill-mannered.....but NO guilt. Don't forget anger with anyone who disagrees with her. Cindy wants to CONTROL everything imo

sunstar

05-30-2009, 10:45 PM

I didn't really know what to make of the fingerprint report that was released. It excluded GA, CA, and LA if I recall correctly... but didn't mention Casey.

We have heard zilch on maggot evidence as far as I know.

I'm sure at trial LKB will have plenty to say about the maggot evidence. I also wonder if the dead squirrels who climbed into the car engine will be resurrected??!! MOO

*MoonRider*

05-30-2009, 10:45 PM

There may not have been pizza in the box but there could have been pizza residue on the box that resulted in maggots.

No fingerprints on the duct tape is a huge blow to the state's case against Casey. The only member of the household who would know to be careful not to leave prints or anything else specific to Casey would be George, imo.
Six months of rotting in the woods after Tropical Storm Fay is the only reason there is no fingerprints. I am just thankful that Caylee was found so we don't have to listen to G & C go on and on and on and on about sightings of Caylee. Here's a classic of Cindy and her hammer
RAW
http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html

the best kept secrets between two people are when one of them is dead? IMO

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:45 PM

No decision on that yet. The media has a certain amount of time (not specified) to provide Judge S. with an argument as to why it should be. The state's position is it doesn't give a hoot. (I share that opinion.) Jose and company are treating this one video tape as if it's the linchpin of the case. Never seen such moaning and whining about nothing in my life.

It is only the lynch pin if she's guilty. If he was standing at the gate requesting to see her, and she was having a nervous reaction or needing sedation, it's understandable that his visit was delayed.

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 10:46 PM

You know with Cindy it could have been something as simple as she didn't get a front row seat. You know how entitled she feels she is.

I'm sure that was part of it, but she didn't know she wouldn't be front and center when she entered the room, and she looked bad from jump. She did look either like she'd been crying, had no sleep, or had a wicked cold, or all 3. She's been looking quite snappy in her last several public appearances, so it was very noticeable yesterday. imo

I'm sure she's regularly alienating people in RL. Looks like there could be a rift with Conway, plus Richard Grund was there (how DARE he?), plus now she's got this new woman Lyon to try to figure out, plus she didn't get a front row seat, plus plus plus. It's not easy being Cindy.
:glare:

I'd like to know more about George's job interview last week. Whazzup with that, I wonder?

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:46 PM

:laugh:...I guess our waters were too heated....

Cheers! Enjoying the discussion ...

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:48 PM

As an accomplice? George is nasty, evasive, deceptive, and not exactly Mr Upstanding. As a former police officer, I think he would have done a better job of hiding the evidence if he were involved. Casey did the typical - body found near the home, and all the activities of the month before Caylee was found. If George was involved, I think he would have reigned Casey in for a month or two, and she would have listened. Additionally, we have the jailhouse tape of "daddy, it's good to get to know you" stuff. I'm referring to the early tape where everyone was crying, and Casey named George as her favorite person if she could meet with one person. Then again, maybe they needed to cover their tracks better and needed a private visit.
I agree with you completely... I was just reporting something that was being discussed elsewhere. :smile:

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:49 PM

I can't help but be curious about what was up with Cindy at the hearing. To start with she almost sits on the prosecution side when she enters the court room. Then there was her appearance and demeanor, followed by no conversation with the media after the hearing. To me it appeared that Cindy had not gotten much sleep in at least a couple of days, and/or she had been crying quite a bit. Her eyes were puffy and had dark circles. George didn't look good either. I couldn't determine if Cindy appeared more upset, or more angry, but something was different.

So I started thinking about what has happened recently that could have gotten them upset:

*perhaps something in a recent doc dump that Baez shared with them
*reason George went for a job interview (money running dry? Lee moving out? foundation not bringing in the $) Or was George dressed up for some other reason that has Cindy upset
*related to reason Conway claimed he injured his back and couldn't attend the hearing (are they not seeing eye to eye w/BC) they didn't seem to friendly at the hearing
*knowing time is running out before the next hearing regarding Morgan depos and having to answer those questions they don't want to answer
*Cindy's upcoming 51st birthday on June 5th
*possibly a meeting with Andrea Lyon where she laid out her plan to save casey's life and Cindy didn't like the ground rules
*recent threats of charges by LE
*evidence in dumped docs that prove they lied (again) about something
*June 15th right around the corner

Anyone else have any ideas? Anyone else care? :biggrin:

I missed her second questioning session. Do you have a handy link ... I'll look for it in the meantime.

Maybe they had a lashing from their lawyer, or the judge, about protocol in legal affairs.

Conway wasn't holding anyone's hand in a court appearance?

bchand

05-30-2009, 10:49 PM

Six months of rotting in the woods after Tropical Storm Fay is the only reason there is no fingerprints. I am just thankful that Caylee was found so we don't have to listen to G & C go on and on and on and on about sightings of Caylee. Here's a classic of Cindy and her hammer
RAW
http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html

the best kept secrets between two people are when one of them is dead? IMO

and don't forget the infamous Pizza Experiments by Eyewitness News.

Sorry Cindy & George.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17292628/detail.html

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 10:49 PM

It is only the lynch pin if she's guilty. If he was standing at the gate requesting to see her, and she was having a nervous reaction or needing sedation, it's understandable that his visit was delayed.

lynch pin

Thank you. I was debating. My nifty Firefox spell checker didn't like lynchpin as one word, so I went with linchpin, which it accepted. Figured I was wrong with the "y" ... which was my first instinct.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 10:50 PM

Link to LE accusing Cindy Anthony of covering up anything. Thanks. Pray tell why Cindy needs a CRIMINAL attorney if she doesn't think she's suspected of anything?

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 10:50 PM

I think she can get a fair trial where she is. I think moving it to Miami will cause undue hardship and judges DO HAVE to consider that. They should never move it to an area where one atty has an advantage over another.

People underestimate jurors. The problem is not finding someone who has heard nothing of this case. The problem is finding a jury who can suspend what they know and rely ONLY on the testimony.

Baez wants it in Miami because of the Latin population there. However, I don't think you can call a jury of Latins a jury of Casey's peers - unless she has married Baez by then. j/k

The Judge's priority is to ensure Casey receives a fair trial and impartial jury. He needs a jury pool large enough to find people who haven't already formed an opinion about guilt.

How does COV give one attorney an advantage over another? That doesn't even make sense. Baez has no control over if and where the Judge decides to move the case and Florida is a big state.

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:50 PM

In thinking about it, I'm not so sure that anyone did help her dispose of the body. If the neighbors statement is true, Casey backed her car up to the garage. I immediately thought that no one was home. Where were the Anthonys that night? Was there car there?

Didn't she back the car up during the day, borrow the shovel, and weren't mom and dad at work?

need2no

05-30-2009, 10:51 PM

I think NG is very passionate about this. Ever since she had her twins and there was some question about making it through the birth with everyone fine, she has had less and less tolerance for anything related to abducting and killing kids. It's bothering her so bad that she's started acting out beyond her usual "Nanciness". With this particular case, I think she has a personal goal - and that is to keep it always alive in the public eye so that there is no chance Caylee will get away with the crime.

And with Cindy, I think NG is horrified by her. NG is so attached and protective of her babies - I think she is utterly outraged at Cindy and Casey.

The huge increase in her show ratings since the beginning of her coverage of this case might have a little impact as well. :wink:

apothecary

05-30-2009, 10:51 PM

ITA. There is a cover up going on here - it is so thick you can cut it with a knife and it is not merely because everyone is trying to save Casey's life. IMO, of course.
I agree,but what could the BIG SECRET be?

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:51 PM

Oh really. I'm glad I got that one wrong. So you are saying that we do not yet know if Caylee's prints are on the duct tape or not. All we now is that GA, CA and LA's prints are not on the tape.That is pretty much how I read it, Talamoth.

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:51 PM

I am confused as to when the hearing is... but there will be a hearing supposedly around June 22 to discuss SOMEthing. And then Judge Strickland gave the media, or was it the county?... anyway, he gave them a week to respond to Jose's amended motion that they received the night before the hearing - so there may be a hearing next week, also (although I am thinking it all eventually got lumped into the June 22 hearing). JMO

Isn't there a 48 hour rule for serving? Baez still a courtroom buffoon?

bchand

05-30-2009, 10:52 PM

I'm sure that was part of it, but she didn't know she wouldn't be front and center when she entered the room, and she looked bad from jump. She did look either like she'd been crying, had no sleep, or had a wicked cold, or all 3. She's been looking quite snappy in her last several public appearances, so it was very noticeable yesterday. imo

I'm sure she's regularly alienating people in RL. Looks like there could be a rift with Conway, plus Richard Grund was there (how DARE he?), plus now she's got this new woman Lyon to try to figure out, plus she didn't get a front row seat, plus plus plus. It's not easy being Cindy.
:glare:

I'd like to know more about George's job interview last week. Whazzup with that, I wonder?

I don't know that he had a job interview? Wasn't that just a joke because he was all dressed up the day he gave the tv interview holding the "bear"?

I thought Cindy looked like she just woke up at the hearing last week and I'd like to think she walked in and came face to face with Richard Grund, which made her quickly change sides. (It's what I wish to think and I'm gonna think it.)

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 10:53 PM

I missed her second questioning session. Do you have a handy link ... I'll look for it in the meantime.

Maybe they had a lashing from their lawyer, or the judge, about protocol in legal affairs.

Conway wasn't holding anyone's hand in a court appearance?

There's only been the one depo so far. There was a hearing scheduled to discuss what all the A's didn't answer in their initial depos, but it didn't go off due to a bad back on Conway's part. So now the hearing has to be rescheduled, and who knows whether any decisions will be made during that actual hearing about whether Cindy must return to the Morgan hot seat.

No, Conway was sitting on the aisle, actually technically on the state's side of the room, and not as usual right next to the A's. And they didn't enter together, either, with George pushing Brad's chair. We've speculated there's trouble in paradise.

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:54 PM

Maybe casey will get lucky and there will be a lot of bamboo in her work area. With her experience they might make her the leader of the chain gang....and we've heard how she likes to be the 'muther figure' for all her friends. :wink:

We all thought that Cindy was in denial, but no, she was in lying to the public and thinking they were gullible enough to believe her nonsense. Nice to be able to call spade a spade.

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 10:55 PM

I don't know that he had a job interview? Wasn't that just a joke because he was all dressed up the day he gave the tv interview holding the "bear"?

I thought Cindy looked like she just woke up at the hearing last week and I'd like to think she walked in and came face to face with Richard Grund, which made her quickly change sides. (It's what I wish to think and I'm gonna think it.)

George apparently told the reporter he'd been on a job interview and that was the reason for the dress shirt and tie. I'm so interested!

I don't think Cindy ever just wakes up and rolls out of the house. That gal PREPARES to come out in public. That's why there would seem to be more to it. Plus seemed to me she had a HUGE chip on her shoulder from the moment she entered the room.

MrsHudson

05-30-2009, 10:56 PM

Or possibly she was running low on money and was going to make him her next theft victim. What a shame, the only positive man in Casey's life, and the Anthony's will throw him under the bus in a heartbeat. I believe Cindy was the first to point the finger at Jesse in one of her interviews!

Right and why? Because he loved Caylee so much. Cindy said he was too attached to Caylee. Yep he loved her so he killed her according to Cindy. Now I ask you how much sense does that make?

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 10:56 PM

We all thought that Cindy was in denial, but no, she was in lying to the public and thinking they were gullible enough to believe her nonsense. Nice to be able to call spade a spade.

I nevah, evah thought Cynthia was in denial. Denial doesn't look like that. Denial doesn't pick, choose, connive and deliberately deceive. imo

Jester

05-30-2009, 10:56 PM

Welcome, MI!

Rumors have been circulating concerning Mally-bu's pregnancy since not long after this case broke in July. If she is still pregnant now, I would imagine they are all worried about her health. JMO

Maybe, under the circumstances, she terminated.

*MoonRider*

05-30-2009, 10:57 PM

lynch pin

Thank you. I was debating. My nifty Firefox spell checker didn't like lynchpin as one word, so I went with linchpin, which it accepted. Figured I was wrong with the "y" ... which was my first instinct.That's a nifty feature that Cindy & Michelle should utilize imo

bchand

05-30-2009, 10:57 PM

I'm wondering if this is the extra-carbonated (gassy) type of soda pop? :rolleyes:

Not according to the punctuation.

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:57 PM

Cindy probably made a fuss about the discussion and, as her lawyer, he was compelled to check it out.Not to be disagreeable... but I think it had more to do with Lyon than Conway. JMO

need2no

05-30-2009, 10:59 PM

I missed her second questioning session. Do you have a handy link ... I'll look for it in the meantime.

Maybe they had a lashing from their lawyer, or the judge, about protocol in legal affairs.

Conway wasn't holding anyone's hand in a court appearance?

Pure speculation on my part. However I do recall when Greta was in Orlando for a show (the one where she did the tour of the woods where Caylee's remains were found), and she spoke briefly w/Cindy who happened to be outside of her house, and she indicated she wasn't having a good day. Something was said about LE having been at their house earlier that day.

No, Conway didn't seem to 'hang' with them that day. I also found it odd I noted Conway taking notes at one point during the hearing.

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 10:59 PM

I believe many law offices also have people to post on the boards to get a feel for what the public thinks...what do we think is the most compelling evidence, what is it they dislike the most about their client, are there any negative comments about his/her appearance and demeanor, what do they think happened and why, etc.

In a case I followed on the boards a newly registered poster started zeroing in on my posts one night and kept asking me straightforward pointed questions, to which I responded. As the evening went on I realized this 'new' poster was likely a mole from an attorney's office. I have no idea why he/she picked me out of the crowd on board. After that night this poster never posted again.I agree, n2n.

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 11:00 PM

As an accomplice? George is nasty, evasive, deceptive, and not exactly Mr Upstanding. As a former police officer, I think he would have done a better job of hiding the evidence if he were involved. Casey did the typical - body found near the home, and all the activities of the month before Caylee was found. If George was involved, I think he would have reigned Casey in for a month or two, and she would have listened. Additionally, we have the jailhouse tape of "daddy, it's good to get to know you" stuff. I'm referring to the early tape where everyone was crying, and Casey named George as her favorite person if she could meet with one person. Then again, maybe they needed to cover their tracks better and needed a private visit.

Removing any evidence specific to Casey would still achieve the goal of protecting Casey while also keeping Caylee close to "home."

bchand

05-30-2009, 11:00 PM

George apparently told the reporter he'd been on a job interview and that was the reason for the dress shirt and tie. I'm so interested!

I don't think Cindy ever just wakes up and rolls out of the house. That gal PREPARES to come out in public. That's why there would seem to be more to it. Plus seemed to me she had a HUGE chip on her shoulder from the moment she entered the room.

Thanks Imperfect - I missed the interview part.

Jester

05-30-2009, 11:00 PM

yes, I think the term is being used to try to explain her odd behavior during the time her daughter is missing. :wink:

Ugly coping does happen, but I don't think it happens overnight. Excessive vice indulgence is a sign of ugly coping, but not combined with "no clothes" parties, and ringing people up at 4 in the morning to see if they'll be at the next party.

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 11:01 PM

I'm sure at trial LKB will have plenty to say about the maggot evidence. I also wonder if the dead squirrels who climbed into the car engine will be resurrected??!! MOOI am thinking about going on an extended vacation to some island when Ms Baden addresses the forensics during the trial.

MrsHudson

05-30-2009, 11:01 PM

Good morning all,

If Henry Lee takes the stand, can the pros. bring up all this? He did get in trouble over the fingernail correct?

Yes he did and they can use it to impeach any testimony of his from then on.

sunstar

05-30-2009, 11:03 PM

:laugh: good one

thanks :smile: but I'm just trying to guess how she'll attack the scientific evidence!!

need2no

05-30-2009, 11:04 PM

I nevah, evah thought Cynthia was in denial. Denial doesn't look like that. Denial doesn't pick, choose, connive and deliberately deceive. imo

Nor did I. If she had been in denial she would have been desperately busting butt trying to find the real perp. Geez...she had 2 pro bono detectives, yet she didn't utilize them to hunt for the person who took her granddaughter FGS, nor did she ever once make a plea to the kidnapper. She knew......

Jester

05-30-2009, 11:05 PM

I think NG is very passionate about this. Ever since she had her twins and there was some question about making it through the birth with everyone fine, she has had less and less tolerance for anything related to abducting and killing kids. It's bothering her so bad that she's started acting out beyond her usual "Nanciness". With this particular case, I think she has a personal goal - and that is to keep it always alive in the public eye so that there is no chance Caylee will get away with the crime.

And with Cindy, I think NG is horrified by her. NG is so attached and protective of her babies - I think she is utterly outraged at Cindy and Casey.

Oh yah, NG is going to nail this one to the wall, see it through to it's ugly conclusion - and all it's ugly coping on behalf of the family.

need2no

05-30-2009, 11:05 PM

I am thinking about going on an extended vacation to some island when Ms Baden addresses the forensics during the trial.

Can I please go with you? TIA!

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:05 PM

I agree, n2n.

I would think a mole would either try to get along, or just lurk. Not sure how much quality info one gets when one is arrogant and offensive, putting everyone else on the defensive. I've never found rolling my eyes to be a good way to work and play well with others. :confused:

sunstar

05-30-2009, 11:05 PM

I am thinking about going on an extended vacation to some island when Ms Baden addresses the forensics during the trial.

Not allowed!!! You must watch and take notes! :laugh:

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 11:06 PM

Pray tell why Cindy needs a CRIMINAL attorney if she doesn't think she's suspected of anything?

To advise her as to the best strategy to prevent a conviction of her daughter.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 11:06 PM

Am I missing something or is there a legal reason that Conway is at all Casey's hearings? Either something is going on or he has waaaaay too much time on his hands.

OR he needs to keep a handle on the A's for fear they will go ballistic and get thrown out of court.

He's the A's new nanny.

I want to see Cindy point that ugly index finger at the judge and tell him a thing or two. She has no respect for anyone and seems to operate under the delusion that her opinion is the only one that counts. jmo

need2no

05-30-2009, 11:07 PM

thanks :smile: but I'm just trying to guess how she'll attack the scientific evidence!!

Who knows...but one things for sure....she'll be LOUD when she does it.:scared:

KittyMom

05-30-2009, 11:07 PM

*MoonRider*

05-30-2009, 11:07 PM

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:10 PM

Nor did I. If she had been in denial she would have been desperately busting butt trying to find the real perp. Geez...she had 2 pro bono detectives, yet she didn't utilize them to hunt for the person who took her granddaughter FGS, nor did she ever once make a plea to the kidnapper. She knew......

Yep. At a minimum she knew it was much more likely her daughter was lying through her teeth as usual, than it was likely there was a rich, good-looking, scary-yet-kind Hispanic nanny hiding out with Caylee.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 11:10 PM

CDawn - I think you have figured it out about Conway & As. After the ordeal at Morgan's office the shock collars must have been written into his pro bono contract. It looked like he was in the same car as the As at earlier hearings, now he seems to always arrive first and get settled so there is no room for As near him. I think Cindy's winking & blinking at him drove him away. I know this is a little off-topic but is Conway still running for judge? I think that's why he jumped on board - look at all the media attention he is getting. Voter awareness.

*MoonRider*

05-30-2009, 11:11 PM

Yep. At a minimum she knew it was much more likely her daughter was lying through her teeth as usual, than it was likely there was a rich, good-looking, scary-yet-kind Hispanic nanny hiding out with Caylee.
You must mean straight white teeth. :huh:

Steps

05-30-2009, 11:11 PM

She did look out of sorts. And George didn't appear to be consoling her, which isn't really his style anyway, but I just wondered if perhaps they'd been arguing.

It's impossible to know what's got her goat, except that it probably has something to do with either money, or control. She's preoccupied with both, and tends to get real crabby when threatened with the loss of either.

At one point it looked like she (Cindy) was giving either LKB or Lyons a little sneer! Did anyone else see that? Maybe she doesn't approve of Lyons coming on board. Maybe Lyons has talked to the Anthony's and told them that her chances of getting an aquittal are slim to none and it didn't please Cindy. MOO

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:12 PM

Hey everyone - you all going to be around for awhile longer? I gotta go to the store and get some butter. Don't want to miss anything but don't want to eat a dry potato either. Hope to see everyone in about half hour.

P.S. Someone take notes. :wink:

We'll be here. Think I'll run thru Taco Bell myself. Better half is off on an adventure and my food intake has gone to hell in a handbasket. :laugh:

sunstar

05-30-2009, 11:13 PM

Perhaps try and paint the body farm results, cadavar dog, etc. as somehow "new agey" and therefore not believable. Like going to get your fortune told kind of thing

No one will be able to explain away the hair with the death band though. Caylee was dead in the trunk of her mother's car.

I definitely believe the body farm results will be challenged (we've already seen a preview of that from her on a morning show) but the cadaver dogs ~ well, noses don't lie!! :wink:

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:14 PM

You must mean straight white teeth. :huh:

Of course I did. Thanks for keeping me honest. :laugh:

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 11:14 PM

Casey's story from the very beginning is that she left Caylee with the nanny. That's not a crime.

It is if there is no nanny.

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:16 PM

At one point it looked like she (Cindy) was giving either LKB or Lyons a little sneer! Did anyone else see that? Maybe she doesn't approve of Lyons coming on board. Maybe Lyons has talked to the Anthony's and told them that her chances of getting an aquittal are slim to none and it didn't please Cindy. MOO

My initial thought was that the look (including the sneer) on Cindy's face was Lyon-related. Actually, if you consider the looks on Casey's face, coupled with the looks on Cindy's, it does give credence to the theory that Lyon had a little Come to Jesus powwow with each of them.

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:16 PM

It is if there is no nanny.

No kidding!

sunstar

05-30-2009, 11:17 PM

Who knows...but one things for sure....she'll be LOUD when she does it.:scared:

That's for sure! I wonder if she'll give part of the opening statement and give a list of stuff that "science will prove", like she did in PS1?

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 11:17 PM

Isn't there a 48 hour rule for serving? Baez still a courtroom buffoon?I have no idea about the 48 hour rule... one of our legal experts would know. But I would imagine just over 16 hours is insufficient time, especially since most folks were asleep during 8 of those hours. JMO

bchand

05-30-2009, 11:20 PM

I know this is a little off-topic but is Conway still running for judge? I think that's why he jumped on board - look at all the media attention he is getting. Voter awareness.

He was last summer but he lost. I can't see this being good publicity for him if he decides to try again.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 11:20 PM

I hope not too, because that is obviously the intent here. Shall we all put Ms. Trollster on ignore and continue on with our conversation? Works for me

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 11:21 PM

At one point it looked like she (Cindy) was giving either LKB or Lyons a little sneer! Did anyone else see that? Maybe she doesn't approve of Lyons coming on board. Maybe Lyons has talked to the Anthony's and told them that her chances of getting an aquittal are slim to none and it didn't please Cindy. MOO

Lyons can discuss the case with the Anthonys? Not unless her client approves of such discussion. I think it is more likely that Cindy is upset because Lyons won't discuss it with her.

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 11:21 PM

Well, we can only speculate but it could have something to do with the true identity of Caylee's birth father. Or pedophilia perhaps. I don't know. . .something so shameful and horrible that there is a family pact to not let it get out. Casey just might end up throwing them all under the bus through the careful guidance of Ms. Lyon. Ms. Lyon will want to uncover all of the reasons that made Casey the way she is so she can blame her upbringing. It will be part of her strategy to get the DP removed. JMOI agree completely with your posts. Ms Lyon is there TO uncover family secrets. We will eventually hear them all, IMO.

Steps

05-30-2009, 11:22 PM

That's for sure! I wonder if she'll give part of the opening statement and give a list of stuff that "science will prove", like she did in PS1?

Oh, dear, another trial with LKB and her sniff sniff, cough coughing. After Spector can we be up for it?:confused:

sunstar

05-30-2009, 11:22 PM

My initial thought was that the look (including the sneer) on Cindy's face was Lyon-related. Actually, if you consider the looks on Casey's face, coupled with the looks on Cindy's, it does give credence to the theory that Lyon had a little Come to Jesus powwow with each of them.

If that's the case, that she believes Casey did it, how could she openly proclaim Casey's innocence? Of course, she did say she isn't fully up to speed on the case yet. MOO

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 11:23 PM

It is if there is no nanny.

So far, no concrete proof there was no nanny.

Steps

05-30-2009, 11:24 PM

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 11:24 PM

Can I please go with you? TIA!Certainly!

I think this case will get more interesting as time goes on, just referring to the sheer nature of it all.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 11:26 PM

Wow. Were they being blackmailed by their own daughter into covering for her? They obviously knew the truth. George doesn't seem like the type of man who would make a fool out of himself like that unless there was something seriously at stake. I still think there is a terrible family secret of some sort. I can't wait til this goes to trial and I hope it is televised.Has anyone else noticed how Cindy has to hold onto George's hand during ALL interviews? Is she signaling him via squeezes or digging her nails into him when she wants to remind him to stay with the program?

CeruleanBleu

05-30-2009, 11:26 PM

There may not have been pizza in the box but there could have been pizza residue on the box that resulted in maggots.

No fingerprints on the duct tape is a huge blow to the state's case against Casey. The only member of the household who would know to be careful not to leave prints or anything else specific to Casey would be George, imo.

Maggots are not attracted to pizza. A pizza left in a car in the FL heat becomes dehydrated in a day or 2. Maggots appear on decaying raw flesh or meat, not dried up pizza.
As for the fingerprints on the duct tape, CA>GA,and LA have been ruled out, I did not read anything in the docs that have ruled out Casey's prints.

kOOkie1

05-30-2009, 11:26 PM

Cindy is her own worst enemy. "I don't talk about the case with Casey?" We only discuss how much we love each other. Where's Caylee? That subject doesn't come up? Where's the Nanny? We don't talk about that. We only talk about you maggots in my yard. If you did your jobs Caylee would be found. Blame everyone but the OC who is making brownies inside your house. Things do not look good for Casey imo

Exactly!! The A's were always to busy trying to paint a family portrait that didnt exist and coddeling the OC as they always did..fgs Annie had a chance to ask something..anything! What is wrong with these people??:chicken:

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 11:27 PM

Not allowed!!! You must watch and take notes! :laugh:lol, okay.

It is actually one of two areas where I have some expertise. Zero expertise in forensics, but good in reading scientific reports and interpreting the statistics.

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 11:29 PM

Certainly!

I think this case will get more interesting as time goes on, just referring to the sheer nature of it all.

I think this case is certainly going to get uglier than it already is.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 11:29 PM

The territory is uncharted, their character defects are not. And if they're being advised by legal counsel to behave in this fashion, they should probably look for better legal counsel. Perhaps someone who charges for his or her services. :rolleyes: They are not in uncharrted territory. Other families have dealt with the murder of their child with dignity and grace. Some don't. Most don't get involved with shady organizations that collect money for searches they don't conduct, tho. Bad behavior is bad behavior, no matter what the situation. And Cindy is no silk purse.

KittyMom

05-30-2009, 11:29 PM

So far, no concrete proof there was no nanny.

devil's advocate much? :laugh:

Steps

05-30-2009, 11:30 PM

Maggots are not attracted to pizza. A pizza left in a car in the FL heat becomes dehydrated in a day or 2. Maggots appear on decaying raw flesh or meat, not dried up pizza.
As for the fingerprints on the duct tape, CA>GA,and LA have been ruled out, I did not read anything in the docs that have ruled out Casey's prints.

No, I'm not buying the maggots are from an empty pizza box! Maggots on and around decomp fluid makes more sense.

*MoonRider*

05-30-2009, 11:30 PM

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 11:33 PM

Lyons can discuss the case with the Anthonys? Not unless her client approves of such discussion. I think it is more likely that Cindy is upset because Lyons won't discuss it with her.Ms Lyon certainly CAN discuss the case with G&C. In fact, in her instructional chapter posted earlier on this thread, she stresses how critical it is to develop a relationship with the family for the PR effect of family support, and ALSO how critical it is to the investigative portion of the penalty phase to uncover every little dirty secret there is in the family. She was pretty clear about this, IMO.

Steps

05-30-2009, 11:34 PM

If they get Casey off what will they have gained? Justice for Caylee? Let her pro-create again so they get a mulligan?

There is no doubt in my mind that the OC will be convicted and will never set foot as a free woman again. All hope was lost when the OC didn't say it was an accident and lead the authorities to a body. But there was that pesky little matter of having duct tape on the mouth, garbage bags and the heart sticker to deal with. Those details don't equate with accident. 31 days will seal her fate for life imo (I wonder if those 31 days of freedom were worth LWOP or death?) I honestly believe that Casey thought LE would believe whatever she said. Her parents never confronted her so the police would believe her stories just like mommy & daddy always have. Guess what, the jury will never buy what she's selling. I don't care what kind of liberal activist joins the case, it won't work. moo

The defense can throw everything at the jury but the defense knows the 31 days can never be explained away.

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 11:35 PM

I think this case is certainly going to get uglier than it already is.I can agree with you on this.

sunstar

05-30-2009, 11:36 PM

lol, okay.

It is actually one of two areas where I have some expertise. Zero expertise in forensics, but good in reading scientific reports and interpreting the statistics.

Thanks so much in advance! :wink: I can understand it as long as I've followed the case and it isn't someone like Dr. Lee, who I can't understand, testifying.

Daffodil

05-30-2009, 11:37 PM

I also believe they are covering up for her. In my opinion, if anyone else was involved it was Lee ... or maybe Lee did the most covering up.

Do you remember when George went to an open field and just stood there and stared? Everyone wanted to know why. Maybe Caylee's body was there. He claimed he was scoping out a spot to set up their tent.

Could George be the decoy? Send him out, have him followed. Have him act a little questionable and make LE wonder what it all means. Does any one remember what date that was? I wonder if he was a decoy for the day Dominick Casey was searching for the body.

gaelicpeas

05-30-2009, 11:37 PM

Thanks so much in advance! :wink: I can understand it as long as I've followed the case and it isn't someone like Dr. Lee, who I can't understand, testifying.IMO... ignore what the experts are testifying to in trial, and do a VERY CAREFUL reading of the forensic reports. Then draw your own conclusions.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 11:38 PM

I'm totally out of the loop on recent developments. Is there some speculation that Baez wants to raise reasonable doubt by suggesting that the parents did it? If George lied about when he last saw Calyee (per Leonard Pacilla), that plays right into that theory. Baez has one really Major problem. That doubt has to be REASONABLE
. There is NOTHING reasonable about leaving your daughter with a person who does not exist and livesin an apartment that hasn't had a tenant since February. There is nothing reasonable about claiming that the nanny was referred to her by a friend who is childless left his child in the care of thsi woman. There is nothing reasonable about any of Casey's claims. That's what will sink the SS Anthony

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:38 PM

Exactly!! The A's were always to busy trying to paint a family portrait that didnt exist and coddeling the OC as they always did..fgs Annie had a chance to ask something..anything! What is wrong with these people??:chicken:

According to Annie in her Morgan depo, she didn't want to be the one to know. Which means, she knew. imo

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 11:39 PM

Maggots are not attracted to pizza. A pizza left in a car in the FL heat becomes dehydrated in a day or 2. Maggots appear on decaying raw flesh or meat, not dried up pizza.
As for the fingerprints on the duct tape, CA>GA,and LA have been ruled out, I did not read anything in the docs that have ruled out Casey's prints.

An empty pizza box is garbage and flies are attracted to garbage.
Maggots are hatched fly larva.

I haven't seen anything that indicate any fingerprints were found on the duct tape so a link would be helpful. Thanks.

need2no

05-30-2009, 11:40 PM

If they get Casey off what will they have gained? Justice for Caylee? Let her pro-create again so they get a mulligan?

There is no doubt in my mind that the OC will be convicted and will never set foot as a free woman again. All hope was lost when the OC didn't say it was an accident and lead the authorities to a body. But there was that pesky little matter of having duct tape on the mouth, garbage bags and the heart sticker to deal with. Those details don't equate with accident. 31 days will seal her fate for life imo (I wonder if those 31 days of freedom were worth LWOP or death?) I honestly believe that Casey thought LE would believe whatever she said. Her parents never confronted her so the police would believe her stories just like mommy & daddy always have. Guess what, the jury will never buy what she's selling. I don't care what kind of liberal activist joins the case, it won't work. moo

You know maybe that explains the bird brained idea about letting casey out of jail to search places of interest for Caylee. Perhaps she and Baez wanted to remove the tape & sticker in case her body was ever discovered so they could at some point claim the death was an accident. And remember Baez specified being able to do this in private and without public knowledge. Far fetched, I know, but just a wild thought.

bchand

05-30-2009, 11:41 PM

Do you remember when George went to an open field and just stood there and stared? Everyone wanted to know why. Maybe Caylee's body was there. He claimed he was scoping out a spot to set up their tent.

Could George be the decoy? Send him out, have him followed. Have him act a little questionable and make LE wonder what it all means. Does any one remember what date that was? I wonder if he was a decoy for the day Dominick Casey was searching for the body.

Looks like it was October 30th.

The WFTV viewer said she saw Caylee’s grandfather George’s car parked in the area around 6:15pm on October 30 and that he was staring into the woods. Then she saw him get into his car and drive away. She figured he was looking for Caylee and the information was passed on to law enforcement.

http://kreuzer33.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/why-is-george-anthony-looking-in-the-woods/

D. Casey was in the woods on the day of the "meet & greet." Another one of those delusions of grandeur ideas of the Anthonys.

Steps

05-30-2009, 11:41 PM

IMO... ignore what the experts are testifying to in trial, and do a VERY CAREFUL reading of the forensic reports. Then draw your own conclusions.

In the Spector trial the jury totaly dismissed the defense experts. This could happen in this trial too if they try to throw in paid liars. MOO of course

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 11:42 PM

We do not know yet IF it will be released. The judge delayed ruling. I forgot for how long. 30 days? :confused:
I don't think I heard for how long. Isn't it just too convenient that Baez didn't file the amendment until it was too late to notify the judge and the prosecution. Guess he was trying to just slip it through. Sorry, Baez

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:43 PM

Baez has one really Major problem. That doubt has to be REASONABLE
. There is NOTHING reasonable about leaving your daughter with a person who does not exist and livesin an apartment that hasn't had a tenant since February. There is nothing reasonable about claiming that the nanny was referred to her by a friend who is childless left his child in the care of thsi woman. There is nothing reasonable about any of Casey's claims. That's what will sink the SS Anthony

Exactly. Casey's outrageous behavior in leaving her toddler at the bottom of an outside staircase in an apartment complex, coupled with her outrageous behavior the following 31 days, tripled with her outrageous behavior since then, quadrupled by her family's outrageous behavior, will convince a reasonable jury that there's no other reasonable explanation than that Casey caused the disappearance and death of her daughter.

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 11:44 PM

Ms Lyon certainly CAN discuss the case with G&C. In fact, in her instructional chapter posted earlier on this thread, she stresses how critical it is to develop a relationship with the family for the PR effect of family support, and ALSO how critical it is to the investigative portion of the penalty phase to uncover every little dirty secret there is in the family. She was pretty clear about this, IMO.

Developing a relationship with a family of the client isn't the same as discussing the case with them. The defense attorney has to have the client's permission to do that. Ever heard of attorney/client privilege?

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:44 PM

I'm back! did I miss anything extremely urgent, important. Any breaking news of profundity?

I left my butter at the store - walked off without it. I'm having cheerios for dinner.

No you did NOT leave your butter at the store!!! :laugh:

sunstar

05-30-2009, 11:45 PM

No, I'm not buying the maggots are from an empty pizza box! Maggots on and around decomp fluid makes more sense.

Ants, yes, from the greasy residue in the box, but not maggots. And then there's still the matter of the cadaver dogs hitting on the trunk, and as someone pointed out tonight, the hair with the death-band. MOO

kOOkie1

05-30-2009, 11:45 PM

According to Annie in her Morgan depo, she didn't want to be the one to know. Which means, she knew. imo

Very true ..thats the only way to take that comment from her. How selfish is that a 2 1/2 yr old that your close too is missing and you dont "want to be that one to know":confused:

*MoonRider*

05-30-2009, 11:46 PM

They are not in uncharrted territory. Other families have dealt with the murder of their child with dignity and grace. Some don't. Most don't get involved with shady organizations that collect money for searches they don't conduct, tho. Bad behavior is bad behavior, no matter what the situation. And Cindy is no silk purse.
ITA, there are plenty of parents of children who murder their own children out there. http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm
According to the American Anthropological Association, more than 200 women kill their children in the United States each year. Three to five children a day are killed by their parents.
Cindy and George would be much better served if they joined this group as opposed to missing children. imo

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 11:46 PM

The defense can throw everything at the jury but the defense knows the 31 days can never be explained away.

That 31 days could very well be another Casey lie.

need2no

05-30-2009, 11:47 PM

According to Annie in her Morgan depo, she didn't want to be the one to know. Which means, she knew. imo

Would a twenty something NOT want the scoop, puhleeze.

Annie could care less about Caylee, she's so busy covering her own arse. I wonder if she will be able to keep up that goody 2 shoes I know nothing routine at the trial. Somebody should present screen shots of her MYSPACE pics and comments.

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 11:49 PM

Exactly. Casey's outrageous behavior in leaving her toddler at the bottom of an outside staircase in an apartment complex, coupled with her outrageous behavior the following 31 days, tripled with her outrageous behavior since then, quadrupled by her family's outrageous behavior, will convince a reasonable jury that there's no other reasonable explanation than that Casey caused the disappearance and death of her daughter.

I think any reasonable jury might easily conclude any member of that household caused the disappearance and death of Caylee but there's not enough proof to pinpoint which one.

sunstar

05-30-2009, 11:49 PM

IMO... ignore what the experts are testifying to in trial, and do a VERY CAREFUL reading of the forensic reports. Then draw your own conclusions.

Thanks for the tip! :smile:

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:50 PM

Steps

05-30-2009, 11:50 PM

Very true ..thats the only way to take that comment from her. How selfish is that a 2 1/2 yr old that your close too is missing and you dont "want to be that one to know":confused:

No jury's going to buy that Annie spent all that time alone with Casey and didn't ask her anything!!! Annie was holding back with Morgan. Maybe the pros got more out of her!

Daffodil

05-30-2009, 11:50 PM

Looks like it was October 30th.

The WFTV viewer said she saw Caylee’s grandfather George’s car parked in the area around 6:15pm on October 30 and that he was staring into the woods. Then she saw him get into his car and drive away. She figured he was looking for Caylee and the information was passed on to law enforcement.

http://kreuzer33.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/why-is-george-anthony-looking-in-the-woods/

D. Casey was in the woods on the day of the "meet & greet." Another one of those delusions of grandeur ideas of the Anthonys.

Thanks bchand. I wonder if that date has any relevance to other things going on at that time.

Maybe the next people who interview G&C could ask him what he was doing there. It could possibly shed some light on things.

nana6

05-30-2009, 11:51 PM

At one point it looked like she (Cindy) was giving either LKB or Lyons a little sneer! Did anyone else see that? Maybe she doesn't approve of Lyons coming on board. Maybe Lyons has talked to the Anthony's and told them that her chances of getting an aquittal are slim to none and it didn't please Cindy. MOO

No I doubt that it did please Cindy because Cindy wants Casey found not guilty and all of this talk about the DP versus LWOP is NOT what she has in mind at all. So, she will be her same old pissy self I g uess.

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 11:52 PM

Ants, yes, from the greasy residue in the box, but not maggots. And then there's still the matter of the cadaver dogs hitting on the trunk, and as someone pointed out tonight, the hair with the death-band. MOO

Maggots because of pizza or body still does not prove Casey is the one who placed the body in the trunk.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 11:53 PM

Daffodil

05-30-2009, 11:53 PM

Developing a relationship with a family of the client isn't the same as discussing the case with them. The defense attorney has to have the client's permission to do that. Ever heard of attorney/client privilege?

I really don't think Jose knows that meaning. I bet he told C & G everything up to a certain point.

I wonder if Brad was sitting on the prosecution side because he broke away from the A's. Maybe that unsettled Cindy that day in court.

joolz

05-30-2009, 11:54 PM

Maggots because of pizza or body still does not prove Casey is the one who placed the body in the trunk.

Just curious: who do you think killed Caylee, and who do you think put her body in the trunk?

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:54 PM

I think any reasonable jury might easily conclude any member of that household caused the disappearance and death of Caylee but there's not enough proof to pinpoint which one.

Nope. By her own admission and George's sworn testimony (both of which could be full of holes, but it's all they've got, too bad so sad), Casey was the last person in the Hand Family seen with Caylee. The evidence of a "terminal event" was in the car Casey used. All roads so far lead to Her Odiousness.

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 11:56 PM

Yes he did and they can use it to impeach any testimony of his from then on. Henry Lee has steadily been losing the pr battle since Michael Peterson. He has become nothing more than a hired gun at this point.. BUT, he doesn't work for FREE

KittyMom

05-30-2009, 11:56 PM

I'm back! did I miss anything extremely urgent, important. Any breaking news of profundity?

I left my butter at the store - walked off without it. I'm having cheerios for dinner.

:lol: I'm so glad 'm not the only one that does that!!! And its never the item you can do without. It's always the one thing you can't do without. duh

*MoonRider*

05-30-2009, 11:57 PM

A look at the rolls of women who are currently on death row, and the crimes that put them there, shows that women who kill their children are indeed not as rare as we would like to believe. Of the 49 women on death row, 11 killed children:
http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm

SODDI is not going to work in this case. If they try that defense it will guarantee death for the OC. (not that I'm opposed) 31 days will seal her fate. imo

Imperfect4

05-30-2009, 11:58 PM

No I doubt that it did please Cindy because Cindy wants Casey found not guilty and all of this talk about the DP versus LWOP is NOT what she has in mind at all. So, she will be her same old pissy self I g uess.

Good point, nana. This IS, after all, about Cindy. And whether the OC gets death or LWOP, it still brands Cynthia as Mother of a Murderer.

Steps

05-30-2009, 11:58 PM

I really don't think Jose knows that meaning. I bet he told C & G everything up to a certain point.

I wonder if Brad was sitting on the prosecution side because he broke away from the A's. Maybe that unsettled Cindy that day in court.

Wow Conway not on the defense side of the room? Possibly his wheelchair was an issue. I do feel sorry for that man. Those Anthony's have got to be a real challenge to keep under control. Well, gee, Cindy has to be IMPOSSIBE!!

Sandy001

05-30-2009, 11:58 PM

Nor did I. If she had been in denial she would have been desperately busting butt trying to find the real perp. Geez...she had 2 pro bono detectives, yet she didn't utilize them to hunt for the person who took her granddaughter FGS, nor did she ever once make a plea to the kidnapper. She knew......
She was wayyyy out there from day one - far beyond any denial ever known to man. Reminds me of someone else.

Stellagant

05-30-2009, 11:58 PM

Just curious: who do you think killed Caylee, and who do you think put her body in the trunk?

I think Casey killed her and George removed the body from the trunk and disposed of Caylee nearby the house. I also think there is a long history of Casey screwing up and George cleaning up after her.

KittyMom

05-31-2009, 12:00 AM

Then you also know that sinking feeling as you realize you've just locked your keys in your car. :rolleyes:

OMGosh!!! I did that two days in a row at the same bank. :huh: You can imagine how I felt day 2 calling hubby to ask him to bring me his key.....again. :blushing:

need2no

05-31-2009, 12:00 AM

That happened to me also on another board.

I suppose it's really not surprising, what a great way for attorney's to get free assistance from the public on how to present their case to the jury. They know us bloggers are passionate and all knowing about the cases we follow.

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:01 AM

There is somthing wrong with that whole screwy family. Most people put a lock on their yard gate. Casey gardening, yea right! She wasn't even living there at that time. I think the LE has the whole murder and dates figured out, I sure don't.

Yeah, I'm sure Casey rolled out of TonE's bed mid-morning, and instead of jumping on the PC to check her MySpace page ... instead of beginning her marathon text-messaging activities for the day ... she decided to run by her parents' house and do a little bamboo wrangling. :rolleyes:

KittyMom

05-31-2009, 12:01 AM

I think Casey killed her and George removed the body from the trunk and disposed of Caylee nearby the house. I also think there is a long history of Casey screwing up and George cleaning up after her.

Personally, I don't think G has the family jewels to do more than is commanded of him. and I don't think C trusts him enough to get him to do that.

Daffodil

05-31-2009, 12:02 AM

OMGosh!!! I did that two days in a row at the same bank. :huh: You can imagine how I felt day 2 calling hubby to ask him to bring me his key.....again. :blushing:

I left my debit card at a restaurant 40 minutes away. Had to go back on a Friday rush hour. Then just a few days or week later, I lost it!!!!

Now I think I should just not be allowed to use them. I'm so afriad I will forget it or lose it again!!!

KittyMom

05-31-2009, 12:03 AM

OMG - I can just see him rolling is eyes now. LOL

And then I had to go into the bank for the deposit I'd not done the day before. He went with me. To make sure I got back into the car afterward. :glare: I've never lived that one down.

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:04 AM

I think Casey killed her and George removed the body from the trunk and disposed of Caylee nearby the house. I also think there is a long history of Casey screwing up and George cleaning up after her.

I think there's a long history of all the A's cleaning up after Casey. Don't you think George would've done a better job disposing of Caylee than tossing her not 20 feet from Suburban Drive into the bushes? That, to me, reeks of Casey's sloppiness and hurry. I would think if George was in charge of the disposal, he'd have done a more thorough job.

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:05 AM

Personally, I don't think G has the family jewels to do more than is commanded of him. and I don't think C trusts him enough to get him to do that.

Disposing of his grandchild's body wasn't an act of courage, it was an act of cowardice.

KittyMom

05-31-2009, 12:06 AM

Remember when, was it Lee or George - but when one of them removed all of the publics memorials to Caylee? I thought that was cold. It was then that I realized something was seriously wrong with that family.

I remember the dog lady that was sitting in front of the home. Lee went and dumped out the dog's water bowl and then jumped up and down on her sign. That was just plain mean. The dog didn't do anything to him. :mad:

*MoonRider*

05-31-2009, 12:06 AM

I think Casey killed her and George removed the body from the trunk and disposed of Caylee nearby the house. I also think there is a long history of Casey screwing up and George cleaning up after her.

I think you are wrong. GA told the truth in his LE interviews that Casey was a thief. Cindy said she was the Mutha of the year. Cindy is the queen of denial. Lying is not a criminal offense according to Cindy. Science is only science, nothing is 100%.

I'm going to bed, but will leave you with a quote from Jose,
"If there is anything to connect her to this thing, that remains to be seen. No one has come out with any of the connections that connect Casey Anthony to this crime." :confused:

Sandy001

05-31-2009, 12:06 AM

Just for review...

transcript of inmate Thomas who watched as Casey learned her daughter was found
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/12/ng.01.html

video of inmate Thomas who watched as Casey learned her daughter was found
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/exclusive-video-interview-former-inmate-reveals-day-casey-anthony-had-be

If anything this woman had to say might help Casey, she'll be on the stand for the defense. imo
I am sorry, but I do not believe this woman. She would not have been able to observe KC being moved to the medical facility. Medical facilities are not located within the pods that hold prisoners. For the medical staff's safety. They also do not make "cell calls" This woman may have seen the beginnings of the melt down but highliy unlikely she saw her being "strapped down" or anything of that nature.

Steps

05-31-2009, 12:06 AM

Good evening...
With this group of defense attorneys Casey thinks are power houses, I doubt any of the well known paid experts would come a runnin for what they could afford to pay. But wait...There is MB who could pull an "AHA" moment out of his hat. LKB would just have to step outside and visit the ladies room while he's up testifying.:tonguewag:
JMO

The more trials that we court watchers see, the more that we are learning about these high priced experts. Back in '95 during Simpson I we were all to be in awe of the likes of Lee and Baden. I've certainly had my eyes opened!

sunstar

05-31-2009, 12:07 AM

Yeah, I'm sure Casey rolled out of TonE's bed mid-morning, and instead of jumping on the PC to check her MySpace page ... instead of beginning her marathon text-messaging activities for the day ... she decided to run by her parents' house and do a little bamboo wrangling. :rolleyes:
(bolding mine)

I'll never believe that happened!

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:07 AM

And then I had to go into the bank for the deposit I'd not done the day before. He went with me. To make sure I got back into the car afterward. :glare: I've never lived that one down.

You poor thing!

If I had to call my better half for such a reason, guaranteed he wouldn't be able to find his set of keys. So we'd be boxing over the phone. :laugh:

KittyMom

05-31-2009, 12:08 AM

Disposing of his grandchild's body wasn't an act of courage, it was an act of cowardice.

I never used the word courage. Certainly not where G's concerned. He's not emotionally distance enough to do disposal and it not eat him alive. G didn't do that, imo.

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:09 AM

I think there's a long history of all the A's cleaning up after Casey. Don't you think George would've done a better job disposing of Caylee than tossing her not 20 feet from Suburban Drive into the bushes? That, to me, reeks of Casey's sloppiness and hurry. I would think if George was in charge of the disposal, he'd have done a more thorough job.

I think George wanted Caylee found.

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:09 AM

I think you are wrong. GA told the truth in his LE interviews that Casey was a thief. Cindy said she was the Mutha of the year. Cindy is the queen of denial. Lying is not a criminal offense according to Cindy. Science is only science, nothing is 100%.

I'm going to bed, but will leave you with a quote from Jose,
"If there is anything to connect her to this thing, that remains to be seen. No one has come out with any of the connections that connect Casey Anthony to this crime." :confused:

The connection he thinks the state needs to prove her guilt is an actual video tape of her doing the deed. He's W.R.O.N.G. imo

Night, Moonie. Sleep well. :wub:

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:10 AM

I think George wanted Caylee found.

Ah! Interesting! I'll chew on that.

Sandy001

05-31-2009, 12:10 AM

Remember when, was it Lee or George - but when one of them removed all of the publics memorials to Caylee? I thought that was cold. It was then that I realized something was seriously wrong with that family. I agree. People with hearts donate the memorial items. Sharon Rocha donated the toys to Children's Crisis Center and the flowers to the hospital. Sandra Cantu's family also donated all the memorials left for Sandra. The Anthonys slap people in the face with their reactions.

MrsHudson

05-31-2009, 12:10 AM

It's their KID! I hate to say this, but I would probably lie as much as I could to save my kids (if I had one) azz from the needle, no matter what he or she did. I understand the justice for Caylee mantra, and the only voice she has now is the state of Florida, but the Anthony's are just trying ANYTHING to do keep her from saying hello to Jesus.

The fact that they're capitalizing on it is another thing, with the KFN and CMA Foundation. I think that's pretty messed up, and that is a slap in Caylee's face (RIP). They are totally hosed up because of THAT.

Not me! I would not lie to save my kid from the needle. I would tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. Here's why. If someone killed my kid I would not want that murderers parents to lie to save him from the death penalty. I would want justice for my child if she was a victim of murder and if I want that then it's only fair I should want justice for my child if she is a perpetrator of murder. I don't have to like it, but I have to do it.

Steps

05-31-2009, 12:11 AM

(bolding mine)

I'll never believe that happened!

Casey has proven to be way too lazy to do any digging of bamboo in her backyard. Don't know how the A's put that excuse out for the shovel with a straight face!

GumShoeJoe

05-31-2009, 12:11 AM

At one point it looked like she (Cindy) was giving either LKB or Lyons a little sneer! Did anyone else see that? Maybe she doesn't approve of Lyons coming on board. Maybe Lyons has talked to the Anthony's and told them that her chances of getting an aquittal are slim to none and it didn't please Cindy. MOO

Perhaps a condition of Ms. Lyons coming on board was that Cindy and George had to agree to be quiet and stay out of the press.

KittyMom

05-31-2009, 12:12 AM

I think George wanted Caylee found.

I won't argue that. He wanted her found. He also wanted someone, anyone else to be responsible for her death. He wanted what he knew in his heart was the opposite of the truth. imo

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:12 AM

I think you are wrong. GA told the truth in his LE interviews that Casey was a thief. Cindy said she was the Mutha of the year. Cindy is the queen of denial. Lying is not a criminal offense according to Cindy. Science is only science, nothing is 100%.

I'm going to bed, but will leave you with a quote from Jose,
"If there is anything to connect her to this thing, that remains to be seen. No one has come out with any of the connections that connect Casey Anthony to this crime." :confused:

I didn't say George was a liar, I said I think he's covered-up and protected Casey. I think both feared Cindy's wrath.

MrsHudson

05-31-2009, 12:14 AM

Well, here's the thing. I am a mother. My daughter is a bit older than Casey but basically around that same age. I love my daughter more than anything on this earth. I adore her. BUT, if she killed my granddaughter and sent me a hateful, mocking message on her little corpse, I'm not sure I would be capable of defending her anymore. My sympathies, at that point, would probably all go to my grandaughter.

You don't have to defend or condemn her, just tell the truth as it happened and the truth will do the condemning or defending.

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:14 AM

Casey has proven to be way too lazy to do any digging of bamboo in her backyard. Don't know how the A's put that excuse out for the shovel with a straight face!

Just think back over all the things Cindy has said with a straight face. It's stunning. At least George has the good sense to talk to his shoes or the sky when he's telling a tall one.

need2no

05-31-2009, 12:15 AM

I remember the dog lady that was sitting in front of the home. Lee went and dumped out the dog's water bowl and then jumped up and down on her sign. That was just plain mean. The dog didn't do anything to him. :mad:

tee, he...what a memorable moment, that I'm sure Lee would like to forget. :laugh:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/anthony-leetryingtoevictthedogladyp.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/anthony-leeattemptstodestroysign.jpg

sunstar

05-31-2009, 12:16 AM

I couldn't agree more. My gut is tending toward the scenario where Casey was driving around in the car with Caylee in the trunk, after having moved her from the back yard. The gas can incident was too close a call and I think Casey freaked out and dumped the body quickly.

I've always thought that's a very likely scenario.

Have a good night everybody! :seeya:

KittyMom

05-31-2009, 12:16 AM

I really hope that the current motions get heard quickly and this goes to trial in a timely manner. Caylee deserves that.

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:17 AM

You don't have to defend or condemn her, just tell the truth as it happened and the truth will do the condemning or defending.

You cannot raise a moral, principled child by lying to them or for them. It's really very simple. imo

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:18 AM

And then there is the matter of that investigator caught on film poking around at the dump site sticking something in the ground, looking for the body. That was before Caylee had been found so I wonder who tipped him off.

That man has gone so far underground I suspect he's returned to Australia. :laugh:

KittyMom

05-31-2009, 12:18 AM

Just think back over all the things Cindy has said with a straight face. It's stunning. At least George has the good sense to talk to his shoes or the sky when he's telling a tall one.

amen, honey!
Cindy's lucky she's not been zapped while running her trap. I've even seen G give her some odd looks while she's been talking...like even he can't believe she said that. lol

need2no

05-31-2009, 12:19 AM

Just think back over all the things Cindy has said with a straight face. It's stunning. At least George has the good sense to talk to his shoes or the sky when he's telling a tall one.

Don't ya just love a humble liar.

As for Cindy she is keeping me busy with all her stunning moments...I'm working on my 3rd slide show!

KittyMom

05-31-2009, 12:19 AM

That man has gone so far underground I suspect he's returned to Australia. :laugh:

Maybe he's awakened to the truth and is working with LE now.

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:19 AM

Perhaps a condition of Ms. Lyons coming on board was that Cindy and George had to agree to be quiet and stay out of the press.

Oooh. Good though, Joe. Wonder if she was aware of either the Anthony Alibi or Rehab Tours?

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:20 AM

Don't ya just love a humble liar.

As for Cindy she is keeping me busy with all her stunning moments...I'm working on my 3rd slide show!

We need to see it here first!! :thumbsup:

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:21 AM

Maybe he's awakened to the truth and is working with LE now.

He might be. Doesn't seem M&M are poking him with the same stick they use on the A's. :laugh:

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:21 AM

You cannot raise a moral, principled child by lying to them or for them. It's really very simple. imo

nor can you raise an emotionally healthy child by subjecting them to verbal or physical abuse. I'd like to learn more about what went on in that house during Casey's childhood and teen years. Stay tuned....

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:22 AM

amen, honey!
Cindy's lucky she's not been zapped while running her trap. I've even seen G give her some odd looks while she's been talking...like even he can't believe she said that. lol

How about his expression when she did the big "reveal" on the morning show recently about her *suicide notes*???!!! Classic!! :lol:

Daffodil

05-31-2009, 12:23 AM

amen, honey!
Cindy's lucky she's not been zapped while running her trap. I've even seen G give her some odd looks while she's been talking...like even he can't believe she said that. lol

I do hope that LE is working on their case against the rest of the A's, G, C and L. I would guess that they are waiting for the final outcome on this case. But they should never, ever let them get away with breaking any laws.

kanzz

05-31-2009, 12:24 AM

I think Caylee was screaming and crying when Cindy and Casey were fighting on the night in question. Casey took Caylee with her and threw her in her chair in the back seat and Casey was stressed out and didn't want to deal with Caylee having a screaming fit. Casey pulled over and placed tape across Caylee mouth and she may have covered her face to the point she blocked Caylee's airway and when Caylee became silent Casey figured she just went to sleep. Until she discovered she was dead.
At that point she panicked and took Caylee and immediately put her in the trunk of the car until she could figure out what she was going to do with her. Thereafter she being stoopid, she dismissed the fact that her baby was dead in her trunk and she went along with her business visiting, partying and pretending there was nothing wrong. The rest is history.:confused:
jmo

I agree with the scenario that Caylee was probably having a fit after the Cindy/Casey fight. Only a couple of things trouble me with the rest of it. 1- LE reported that this was purposeful, not an accident. 2- IF the mouth and nose were taped shut, the muffled struggle of that baby fighting to breathe would have been easy to hear and it would have been easy to tell that the child was dying. jmo

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:24 AM

nor can you raise an emotionally healthy child by subjecting them to verbal or physical abuse. I'd like to learn more about what went on in that house during Casey's childhood and teen years. Stay tuned....

I've been surmising what went on. It'll be absolutely fabulous to know more. Unfortunately, we have to rely primarily on the recounting of the family members, who seem not to be able to find the truth with a search party.

need2no

05-31-2009, 12:25 AM

We need to see it here first!! :thumbsup:

~~~Will do!~~~

adair

05-31-2009, 12:26 AM

I didn't say George was a liar, I said I think he's covered-up and protected Casey. I think both feared Cindy's wrath.

This is just my opinion......but i think that if there was anyway ... ... at the beginning that Le could have separated George and Sindy for a week or two...........things would be a lot different.

jmo

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:27 AM

tee, he...what a memorable moment, that I'm sure Lee would like to forget. :laugh:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/anthony-leetryingtoevictthedogladyp.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/anthony-leeattemptstodestroysign.jpg

~ He fought the sign, and the sign won ~ (for those old enough to remember that song about fighting the law) :blushing:

need2no

05-31-2009, 12:27 AM

How about his expression when she did the big "reveal" on the morning show recently about her *suicide notes*???!!! Classic!! :lol:

It was similiar to this look:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/anthony-cindymouthingoffincourt.jpg

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:28 AM

I've been surmising what went on. It'll be absolutely fabulous to know more. Unfortunately, we have to rely primarily on the recounting of the family members, who seem not to be able to find the truth with a search party.

I'm patiently waiting for a court-appointed shrink to weigh in. Cindy seems always to be at a rolling boil.

need2no

05-31-2009, 12:29 AM

~ He fought the sign, and the sign won ~ (for those old enough to remember that song about fighting the law) :blushing:

:lol: And yes, I am old enough to remember the song. :ohmy:

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:29 AM

This is just my opinion......but i think that if there was anyway ... ... at the beginning that Le could have separated George and Sindy for a week or two...........things would be a lot different.

jmo

You could be right. It did seem George was often on the verge of offering more information, but then he'd return to the fold and re-emerge re-committed to keeping Cindy happy.

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:30 AM

It was similiar to this look:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/anthony-cindymouthingoffincourt.jpg

Yes, quite! ROFL! Could the whites of his eyes be any whiter? :lol:

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:32 AM

This is just my opinion......but i think that if there was anyway ... ... at the beginning that Le could have separated George and Sindy for a week or two...........things would be a lot different.

jmo

I think LE would like nothing better than a chance to have a "do over" in this case. Unfortunately, nothing prepared them for the sheer magnitude of all the lies.

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:33 AM

I'm patiently waiting for a court-appointed shrink to weigh in. Cindy seems always to be at a rolling boil.

To my knowledge, no indepth psych analyses have been done. Seems up to now at least, the defense hasn't seen the need. No mention of anything at all about it.

adair

05-31-2009, 12:34 AM

I agree with the scenario that Caylee was probably having a fit after the Cindy/Casey fight. Only a couple of things trouble me with the rest of it. 1- LE reported that this was purposeful, not an accident. 2- IF the mouth and nose were taped shut, the muffled struggle of that baby fighting to breathe would have been easy to hear and it would have been easy to tell that the child was dying. jmo

If Caylee died after hitting her head, then kc finds her, and starts to the "nanny" story, she could have put the duct tape on her after she was dead to make it look like she was "kidnapped"....

My mind cannot handle thinking the baby was alive when the duct tape was placed......I dont know if there is a way ... they could tell if she was alive or dead when the tape was put on her.

My mind cannot process Jessica Lundsford being buried alive and her little fingers sticking thru the garbage bag............OMG I want to throw up.

Steps

05-31-2009, 12:34 AM

It was similiar to this look:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/anthony-cindymouthingoffincourt.jpg

Oh, yes! Must be when Cindy interupted with her "I'd like to speak". And George has the "Woman, what are you doing?" look!:scared:

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:35 AM

Anyone know what the deciding factors were that LE used to determine homocide?

It was actually Dr. G (the ME) who determined the manner of death as homocide. I'm having trouble remembering what she said about how she concluded that. I know it in part had to do with items found at the dump site with the baby's remains.

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:40 AM

Oh, yes! Must be when Cindy interupted with her "I'd like to speak". And George has the "Woman, what are you doing?" look!:scared:

Cindy has a rather pathetic need to be the center of attention. I think George hoped all along that this would all just fade away and eventually he could wander back down into the dense weeds and trees and retrieve little Caylee. He didn't anticipate Cindy would climb onto the stage quite so early and refuse to leave.

need2no

05-31-2009, 12:43 AM

It was actually Dr. G (the ME) who determined the manner of death as homocide. I'm having trouble remembering what she said about how she concluded that. I know it in part had to do with items found at the dump site with the baby's remains.

We've never heard the results of the toxicology tests?

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:44 AM

To my knowledge, no indepth psych analyses have been done. Seems up to now at least, the defense hasn't seen the need. No mention of anything at all about it.

I think now that a DPQ attorney is onboard, that's going to change. If Casey has any history of mental disturbance, we'll hear about it long before trial.

gaelicpeas

05-31-2009, 12:45 AM

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:47 AM

Ms Lyon is casey's lawyer. From what I have read of her, she WILL discuss the case with G&C. JMO

She must have Casey's permission to discuss the case with George and Cindy. I'm not convinced Casey will grant that permission.

Steps

05-31-2009, 12:47 AM

I think now that a DPQ attorney is onboard, that's going to change. If Casey has any history of mental disturbance, we'll hear about it long before trial.

I agree. Lyon has probably already ordered up a physc test for her and will deliver it at the appropriate time. It's scary what could be uncovered about what makes that girl tick!!

need2no

05-31-2009, 12:49 AM

Not that I can remember. I was under the impression that most of the "shocking" evidence was already out. But we don't know whether or not Casey's prints were on the duct tape and no tox test results yet either - that I can remember anyway.

I wouldn't count on the most "shocking" evidence being out there, I'm sure the prosecution has a few rabbits up their sleeve.

Thanks, I didn't recall seeing the tox. results, and in fact had kind of forgotten about this being left hanging. hmmmm...

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:50 AM

I agree. Lyon has probably already ordered up a physc test for her and will deliver it at the appropriate time. It's scary what could be uncovered about what makes that girl tick!!

She'll also be digging to uncover what makes Cindy tick. Doesn't seem to take much for Cindy to explode.

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:52 AM

Casey IS a history of mental disturbance. So are her parents.

IMO

If such a history is there, the defense will use it to full advantage. Unfortunately.

adair

05-31-2009, 12:52 AM

Ms Lyon is casey's lawyer. From what I have read of her, she WILL discuss the case with G&C. JMO

Oh to be a fly one the wall when that happens............

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:53 AM

We've never heard the results of the toxicology tests?

Nope, though Dr. G did say they were apt to reveal nothing, based on the lack of tissue.

adair

05-31-2009, 12:54 AM

Me too and I'm also going hmmm. . . . I wonder if the tox results could have something to do with the ME declaring it a homocide.

IIRC the tox was released in the last dump and it was neg....

I am going to hunt for that link.

need2no

05-31-2009, 12:54 AM

Me too and I'm also going hmmm. . . . I wonder if the tox results could have something to do with the ME declaring it a homocide.

Oh Lordy I sure do hope so!

need2no

05-31-2009, 12:55 AM

Nope, though Dr. G did say they were apt to reveal nothing, based on the lack of tissue.

I recall that statement, but I didn't buy it. :sneaky:

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:55 AM

If such a history is there, the defense will use it to full advantage. Unfortunately.

Imo, it's a factor. I'm not saying Casey shouldn't pay for her crime, or should pay less for her crime due to her upbringing. But imo, just as Casey should not walk away from what she has done to her daughter, neither should her parents walk away from what they have effectively done to theirs through bad parenting.

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:57 AM

I recall that statement, but I didn't buy it. :sneaky:

You don't believe the remains were completely skeletized/skeletonized? Or do you think tox results are possible from bone? (I have no clue, that's why I'm asking.)

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 12:57 AM

Imo, it's a factor. I'm not saying Casey shouldn't pay for her crime, or should pay less for her crime due to her upbringing. But imo, just as Casey should not walk away from what she has done to her daughter, neither should her parents walk away from what they have effectively done to theirs through bad parenting.

ITA. I'm all for justice but I also despise the loopholes.

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 12:58 AM

gaelicpeas

05-31-2009, 12:59 AM

She must have Casey's permission to discuss the case with George and Cindy. I'm not convinced Casey will grant that permission.I don't think she needs Casey's permission at all. JMO

jammies

05-31-2009, 12:59 AM

Florida is a much more conservative state compared to Cook County, IL. (I lived there for 7 years)
The liberal theatrics of Andrea Lyon won't work well in Orange County imo.

Liberal ACTIVIST theatrics. There, fixed it for ya!

Add Cook county in and it speaks volumes.

need2no

05-31-2009, 01:00 AM

So that would mean that she wasn't aware of the tox results when she ruled it a homocide. Meaning that it was based on whatever was found at the crime scene. Or, perhaps, if Caylee's neck was broken that could have been detected once the skeletal remains were assembled.

Garavaglia said she was able to get a positive identification. Through the identification and using the profile provided by the FBI and other police agencies, the Caylee Anthony case became a "homicide by undetermined means." What remained undetermined was the manner of death.

M.E. Jan Garavaglia was able to ascertain that the skull she examined did not suggest blunt force trauma or any other visible means of death. She also stated that toxicology reports had not been finalized, so a determination of whether or not toxins were involved in Caylee Anthony's death could not be made at present.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1319492/caylee_anthony_case_remains_found_identified.html? cat=17

shadowdiana

05-31-2009, 01:01 AM

IIRC the tox was released in the last dump and it was neg....

I am going to hunt for that link.
I recall that as well...but don't ask for a link! :rolleyes:

jammies

05-31-2009, 01:01 AM

I believe that casey panicked the day of the gas can incident and quick=ly got caylees body out of the trunk as soon as she got away from george.

GA smelled her car. Thus his two different stories. No other reason for him to lie.

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 01:02 AM

Imperfect4

05-31-2009, 01:03 AM

IIRC the tox was released in the last dump and it was neg....

I am going to hunt for that link.

I believe that was from her hair, which if I understand correctly, wouldn't show the entire picture, depending on different factors.

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 01:05 AM

I don't think she needs Casey's permission at all. JMO

I'm sure she does need Casey's permission. The Anthonys are not her client.

gaelicpeas

05-31-2009, 01:06 AM

I'm sure she does need Casey's permission. The Anthonys are not her client.She can investigate whomever she pleases. She is the lead attorney.

jammies

05-31-2009, 01:08 AM

Just a public service announcement... :biggrin:

Makes sense when the same people go thread to thread w/the same tired arguments. Professional moles!

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 01:09 AM

She can investigate whomever she pleases. She is the lead attorney.

That doesn't change the fact she needs her client's permission to discuss the case with anyone else, including the client's parents.

need2no

05-31-2009, 01:10 AM

You don't believe the remains were completely skeletized/skeletonized? Or do you think tox results are possible from bone? (I have no clue, that's why I'm asking.)

I've held hope that something could be discovered from the bones. I saw a Forensics show where they found some bones from a woman who had been missing for about 20 years. They ground the small bone fragments and discovered a poison...I think it may have been arsenic, but don't hold me to that. Anyway whatever it was this was the cause of her death. I can't help but think about that case when I think about Caylee's case and wonder if there were drugs in her system.

It just seemed to me that Dr. G (who I really like) spoke too soon with regard to the possibility of something being discovered through toxicology...of course that's probably because she didn't say what I wanted hear. :sad:

Stellagant

05-31-2009, 01:14 AM

I've held hope that something could be discovered from the bones. I saw a Forensics show where they found some bones from a woman who had been missing for about 20 years. They ground the small bone fragments and discovered a poison...I think it may have been arsenic, but don't hold me to that. Anyway whatever it was this was the cause of her death. I can't help but think about that case when I think about Caylee's case and wonder if there were drugs in her system.

It just seemed to me that Dr. G (who I really like) spoke too soon with regard to the possibility of something being discovered through toxicology...of course that's probably because she didn't say what I wanted hear. :sad:

I've held hope that something was found on the little heart sticker, such as a fingerprint.

adair

05-31-2009, 01:18 AM

I believe that was from her hair, which if I understand correctly, wouldn't show the entire picture, depending on different factors.

IIRC the toxo was in the last doc dump........but I cannot find it tonight.

I know i was expecting to see xanax, but it said something to the affect that it was neg on a routine drug screen.......so i remember thinking that LE may order more indepth tests...just my theory ...........

need2no

05-31-2009, 01:19 AM

Thanks for the info. The specifics of her findings in the exam and in the police report that led to her conclusion of homocide remain a mystery.

YW! Or at least a secret until the trial. At the rate things are going I hope I live to see the trial.

Dick Tracy

05-31-2009, 01:20 AM

So that would mean that she wasn't aware of the tox results when she ruled it a homocide. Meaning that it was based on whatever was found at the crime scene. Or, perhaps, if Caylee's neck was broken that could have been detected once the skeletal remains were assembled.

Evening Talamoth :smile:

I believe that the link up to the Crime Scene has something to do with those witnesses having expertise as forensic tool mark specialists. The link I believe is the bags at the crime scene, possibly having the exact match of striation cuts from either the bags found at the Anthony home, or the trash bag found in Casey's trunk.

IIRC, the state put the death penalty on the table and then added those two witnesses, of who's names escape me at the moment. It also might having something to do with the heart shaped sticker matching up with ones found at the anthony home.

The other damning stuff against her is just icing on the cake, imho.