Saturday, May 30, 2009

[Sandy001]

I see all they continue to say is that ABC News does not pay for interviews. I think they missed the point. No one is saying they DID pay for the interviews. Sure, and no money needs to be handed to the people--just pay the airline, pay the hotel, set up a charge account for meals and such that would be above the room rate. Select some fancy schmancy restaurants the person has always wanted to eat at, pay them in advance for the people to go to those places for other meals. Maybe even pay for tickets for whatever is big in the area--well, in this case, I'm not sure the Dad would be wanting to take the girl to Disney World, so maybe they'd skip seeing the sights.

But, sure, I can believe ABC and all the other networks don't pay for interviews. But I very much believe they make it so there is not one iota of expense the person would have to put out for to get there, to stay there, and to get back home.

Maybe the networks need to update their no payment mantra, to include they do not cover any expenses for the person to able to be there for the interview. Until then, it's all in how you say it. IMO

You are so correct. I was a participant in one of the daytime court shows. They paid for my flight and a companions, limos from airport to hotel, hotel to studio, studio back to hotel, then hotel to airport, paid for the flights both ways and for a limo from airport to my home. All meals were also covered. They also paid a fee of $500 to my companion - and this was over 10 years ago. So, yes, the networks get around all that by the freebies they give. Time for them to "fess up" and tell exactly WHAT they are paying for.

[CelticDawn]

why is it that EVERYBODY that comes into this case <not speaking of Nejame...who did the right thing and not only washed his hands but TOOK A SHOWER> seem to be somewhat ...well....sleazy underhanded or somehow deceitful or dishonest???????

I realize that If I PERSONALLY was on trial for something and I was innocent and I really TRULY felt that people were out to get me (IF)...I would fight FIRE WITH FIRE and do whatever I could.....

but it seems to me that the defendant as wel as her parents have done everything to make themselves appear to be some kind of bada$$es.....like "theyll get you" if you cross them types....and not just regular citizens going through the legal system.....

[desmom]

JB reminds me of a Dr. that my daughter saw 15 + years ago. The Dr. is Hispanic and his wife, also Hispanic, is his nurse/secretary. He would become very short with me or sarcastic when I asked questions about a medication or treatment. Many times he actually walked out of the exam room and his wife would come in to answer my questions. She finally explained to me in "their country" women do not question a man. You can imagine how well that went over with me.

Some of you may think this is far fetched, but I have seen the same snide smirk on JB's face that I got from this Dr when asked questions by women reporters. His sarcasm is very noticeable with Kathi Belich. At first, I thought he just had an issue with Kathi and her questions. The more I watch his behavior, the more I think it is women in general.

Is it possible JB believes because LKB and Lyon are women, they will do as he says? Oh and just for the record, I do not see them bowing to JB.

I have been thinking about this for a while and thought I would throw out there and see if anyone else has noticed or am I just nuts. :lol:

jmo

[Amy]

Here's the expose on Jose from the Orlando Sentinel in case some have not seen it. This should have been the talk of the town and was until he filed his COV. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-lawyer-jose-baez-caylee-050309,0,3439656.story

Thanks for the link. I do remember reading this once, some time ago. Seems there wasn't much other coverage of that. It would seem his background would be much more important to discuss than COV which isn't even something to worry about until nearer to the time of the trial.

You'd think the press would see a red herring when they see it. Even NG and JVM should have been running with the real story, instead of going on about COV. IMO

My goodness, did ya see how skinny Jose was back in December? Wonder if his diet changed to pork rinds, too? (They are either lo fat or no fat--can't remember, but too much of a good thing......) Guess he isn't so worried about the case as to go on Cindy's bottle water diet, as he seems to have packed on a few pounds.

[Sandy001]

Kind of like Mark Geragos. He was really pushing for the Peterson trial to be changed to LA--IIRC, he gave a list of several places he tho't appropropiate--and am not sure what the other places were. Anyway, having the trial in LA would have been to his advantage--he would have been able to go home every night. Plus, I think he tho't he could get OJ like jurors on the panel. I don't think he realized, either, that altho he was a high-profile attorney, it wasn't all about him.

And, for that matter, Jose isn't a high-profile attorney. He is an unheard of before attorney who happened on a high-profile case. IMO Most changes of venues involve the least amount of inconvienience to participants as possible. They usually go for a larger city which gives them a larger jury pool, and preferably an area that has a different media market. Peterson was moved about an hour and half away to the San Jose/Bay Area media market. Modesto is in the Sacramento media market. Had MG gotten his wish of LA, it would have put a huge burden on the witnesses as LA is 5 hours by car when traffic is not heavy and traffic is always heavy in LA. The only person to benefit from a move to LA was MG. Same thing goes here. The only person to benefit from a move to Miami is Baez.

[*MoonRider*]

JB reminds me of a Dr. that my daughter saw 15 + years ago. The Dr. is Hispanic and his wife, also Hispanic, is his nurse/secretary. He would become very short with me or sarcastic when I asked questions about a medication or treatment. Many times he actually walked out of the exam room and his wife would come in to answer my questions. She finally explained to me in "their country" women do not question a man. You can imagine how well that went over with me.

Some of you may think this is far fetched, but I have seen the same snide smirk on JB's face that I got from this Dr when asked questions by women reporters. His sarcasm is very noticeable with Kathi Belich. At first, I thought he just had an issue with Kathi and her questions. The more I watch his behavior, the more I think it is women in general.

Is it possible JB believes because LKB and Lyon are women, they will do as he says? Oh and just for the record, I do not see them bowing to JB.

I have been thinking about this for a while and thought I would throw out there and see if anyone else has noticed or am I just nuts. :lol:

jmo

I have seen that behavior in Latin males before. My friends DH is from Uruguay and I made the mistake of trying to pay for my portion of the meal. He was highly insulted that I would dis him in public that way. :sad:

[Amy]

Reference the bolding which is mine:

Without being familiar with the case, Ms. Lyon can accuse the prosecution of unethical behavior because she believes there is some form of prosecutorial misconduct in every case. I derive this opinion from what's written in the following article:

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/11/behind_the_musi.html

I think there are just some routine statements that are made by defense attorneys (@ least many in the cases that make to national media attention.)

"My client is innocent." "Have you talked w/your client yet?" "No, I haven't met my client yet."

"The prosecution is trying the case in the media." Well, no, mister lawyer. The LE is keeping the public up to date on where the investigation is going, on what they have found. Now, the media might be seen as trying the case in the media, but the prosecution usually isn't saying much @ all. IMO.

And, tied in with the first statement--"We are asking for any hearings to be delayed until I can review the evidence, review the case against my client." You know, the "innocent" client s/he has never met, the case s/he has not one lick of knowledge about.

And, MY favorite!!! "We are going to make a motion that none of the evidence against my client can be presented @ trial. To have that evidence put before a jury is prejudicial."

[Heyes]

I'm not sure that Casey ever truly "loved" or "cared" for Casey. I don't think Casey has the capacity to love or to feel anything unless it somehow directly affects her. I imagine whatever love she felt for Caylee was limited to those times she saw herself in Caylee or when she was getting some kind of hit from her interaction with Caylee. I imagine whenever Caylee was demanding or needing attention, etc., that "love" would just disappear and annoyance and reaction would set in. JMO

And I would bet cindy is the exact same way. Just look at her interviews if there was a question about casey, cindy turned it into a nice little self-absorbed story about her own dang self.

How pathetic did george and cindy look at the hearing. cindy wanted casey to look at her and see how much of a victim she is in this and george tried puffing himself up so casey would see him. Then.....defeat. casey didn't look. What fools these parents are. So now it boils down to ...are they that stupid or are they covering up their own butts?
They brought the car home.
They looked under the playhouse for Caylee.
They pulled the car into a closed garage (to air it out)
They washed the car and it's contents.
Then they went to work.
THEY KNEW!

[bchand]

JB reminds me of a Dr. that my daughter saw 15 + years ago. The Dr. is Hispanic and his wife, also Hispanic, is his nurse/secretary. He would become very short with me or sarcastic when I asked questions about a medication or treatment. Many times he actually walked out of the exam room and his wife would come in to answer my questions. She finally explained to me in "their country" women do not question a man. You can imagine how well that went over with me.

Some of you may think this is far fetched, but I have seen the same snide smirk on JB's face that I got from this Dr when asked questions by women reporters. His sarcasm is very noticeable with Kathi Belich. At first, I thought he just had an issue with Kathi and her questions. The more I watch his behavior, the more I think it is women in general.

Is it possible JB believes because LKB and Lyon are women, they will do as he says? Oh and just for the record, I do not see them bowing to JB.

I have been thinking about this for a while and thought I would throw out there and see if anyone else has noticed or am I just nuts. :lol:

jmo

Oh I think you have a good point Des. I particularly remember the "smirk smirk, where did YOU go to law school Kathi?"

[sunstar]

JB reminds me of a Dr. that my daughter saw 15 + years ago. The Dr. is Hispanic and his wife, also Hispanic, is his nurse/secretary. He would become very short with me or sarcastic when I asked questions about a medication or treatment. Many times he actually walked out of the exam room and his wife would come in to answer my questions. She finally explained to me in "their country" women do not question a man. You can imagine how well that went over with me.

Some of you may think this is far fetched, but I have seen the same snide smirk on JB's face that I got from this Dr when asked questions by women reporters. His sarcasm is very noticeable with Kathi Belich. At first, I thought he just had an issue with Kathi and her questions. The more I watch his behavior, the more I think it is women in general.

Is it possible JB believes because LKB and Lyon are women, they will do as he says? Oh and just for the record, I do not see them bowing to JB.

I have been thinking about this for a while and thought I would throw out there and see if anyone else has noticed or am I just nuts. :lol:

jmo

I sure don't think you're nuts :wink: but I just had always thought LKB was brought in for the exact reason he said, to dispute the scientific evidence, and maybe being a woman, the jury would see her defending Casey who is accused of killing her baby. I really don't think Baez is so naive or stupid to think he'll be able to boss around Ms. Lyons. What I do think happened is he couldn't find anyone else after Mr. Lenamon quit and time was running out for him to get a DP lawyer. I do agree though about his condescending attitude toward Kathi B., but maybe that's because she's got his client figured out. :shrug: MOO

[Amy]

Most changes of venues involve the least amount of inconvienience to participants as possible. They usually go for a larger city which gives them a larger jury pool, and preferably an area that has a different media market. Peterson was moved about an hour and half away to the San Jose/Bay Area media market. Modesto is in the Sacramento media market. Had MG gotten his wish of LA, it would have put a huge burden on the witnesses as LA is 5 hours by car when traffic is not heavy and traffic is always heavy in LA. The only person to benefit from a move to LA was MG. Same thing goes here. The only person to benefit from a move to Miami is Baez.

That was what I was trying to say. You were able to put it more succinctly, thank you. Hopefully the judge in this case will be making intelligent decisions like the one in CA. If it's Judge Strickland, I don't think there will be a problem. However, if this is delayed forever, he might not still be on the bench.

I guess, as one poster pointed out, by the time this case goes to trial, a lot of the media coverage will have petered out (even Jose and the A's can't keep this up another year or so) and there will be no problem seating a jury in OC.

[sunstar]

Most changes of venues involve the least amount of inconvienience to participants as possible. They usually go for a larger city which gives them a larger jury pool, and preferably an area that has a different media market. Peterson was moved about an hour and half away to the San Jose/Bay Area media market. Modesto is in the Sacramento media market. Had MG gotten his wish of LA, it would have put a huge burden on the witnesses as LA is 5 hours by car when traffic is not heavy and traffic is always heavy in LA. The only person to benefit from a move to LA was MG. Same thing goes here. The only person to benefit from a move to Miami is Baez.
I could see the trial being moved to Tampa (for example) since it's under 100 mi. from Orlando, but not much further. You're right, it's an inconvenience for witnesses and a huge expense for the state. I just don't see Judge Strickland going for Baez's request to move to Miami-Dade, for one because of the distance and I honestly don't think it would be necessary to go that far. I think by the time this goes to trial it'll be 2 yrs. since Caylee's death. MOO

[Heyes]

JB reminds me of a Dr. that my daughter saw 15 + years ago. The Dr. is Hispanic and his wife, also Hispanic, is his nurse/secretary. He would become very short with me or sarcastic when I asked questions about a medication or treatment. Many times he actually walked out of the exam room and his wife would come in to answer my questions. She finally explained to me in "their country" women do not question a man. You can imagine how well that went over with me.

Some of you may think this is far fetched, but I have seen the same snide smirk on JB's face that I got from this Dr when asked questions by women reporters. His sarcasm is very noticeable with Kathi Belich. At first, I thought he just had an issue with Kathi and her questions. The more I watch his behavior, the more I think it is women in general.

Is it possible JB believes because LKB and Lyon are women, they will do as he says? Oh and just for the record, I do not see them bowing to JB.

I have been thinking about this for a while and thought I would throw out there and see if anyone else has noticed or am I just nuts. :lol:

jmo

As usual Desmom, Good point. something to think about. And watch out for.
I did notice when jose was up and talking the camera went to LKB and the new "angel" (cough). There was a little look between the two of them and my mind said....they're gonna get him out. They want this case and he's got to go. Was it just my imagination or does anyone else feel like this?

[seeing_eye]

I have three sons and I've always told them that if they're caught doing something wrong, I will support them but I will stand on the side of the law. When my eldest was 12 years old, he was caught stealing chocolate bars at the corner store. The clerk wanted to let him go, but I insisted that she call the RCMP in so that he wouldn't just get off scott-free. The cop spoke with him quite harshly about what would happen to him if this happened again, and scared the carp out of the kid. It was a good lesson for him.

That may seem harsh to some, but we raised our kids to know that lying, stealing is wrong. We are all tempted at times, but it's wrong.

Cindy and George can support Casey all they like, but to lie and cover up her crime is just wrong on so many levels. They are all disgracing the life and death of that adorable baby and they are attempting to make a mockery out of the justice system.

You are so right. Parenting means teaching children responsibility for their actions and teaching them values. If parents do otherwise they are not teaching their children how to live and make their way in this world.

[KittyMom]

I just saw this on CayleeDaily and a few blogs.

Andrea Lyon is NO ANGEL!
Andrea Lyon Allowed an Innocent Man to Rot in Prison for 26 years!
http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/hottype/080131/

His name was Alton Logan,
60 Minutes did a story on him last year.
http://depaullaw.typepad.com/library/2008/03/60-minutes-segm.html

Casey's New Attorney Hid A Murder Confession
http://www.cayleedaily.com/

Another wienner for the Anthony camp fire. :glare:

[bchand]

And I would bet cindy is the exact same way. Just look at her interviews if there was a question about casey, cindy turned it into a nice little self-absorbed story about her own dang self.

How pathetic did george and cindy look at the hearing. cindy wanted casey to look at her and see how much of a victim she is in this and george tried puffing himself up so casey would see him. Then.....defeat. casey didn't look. What fools these parents are. So now it boils down to ...are they that stupid or are they covering up their own butts?
They brought the car home.
They looked under the playhouse for Caylee.
They pulled the car into a closed garage (to air it out)
They washed the car and it's contents.
Then they went to work.
THEY KNEW!


I agree they knew. She really did make them look like fools didn't she? I guess that's just the game they play with each other.

[Scampi]

JB reminds me of a Dr. that my daughter saw 15 + years ago. The Dr. is Hispanic and his wife, also Hispanic, is his nurse/secretary. He would become very short with me or sarcastic when I asked questions about a medication or treatment. Many times he actually walked out of the exam room and his wife would come in to answer my questions. She finally explained to me in "their country" women do not question a man. You can imagine how well that went over with me.

Some of you may think this is far fetched, but I have seen the same snide smirk on JB's face that I got from this Dr when asked questions by women reporters. His sarcasm is very noticeable with Kathi Belich. At first, I thought he just had an issue with Kathi and her questions. The more I watch his behavior, the more I think it is women in general.

Is it possible JB believes because LKB and Lyon are women, they will do as he says? Oh and just for the record, I do not see them bowing to JB.

I have been thinking about this for a while and thought I would throw out there and see if anyone else has noticed or am I just nuts. :lol:

jmo

Great observation Des, poor jose is about to get the cultural shock of his life, as he is ground to a pulp between baden and Lyon. :thumbsup:

[Stellagant]

Most changes of venues involve the least amount of inconvienience to participants as possible. They usually go for a larger city which gives them a larger jury pool, and preferably an area that has a different media market. Peterson was moved about an hour and half away to the San Jose/Bay Area media market. Modesto is in the Sacramento media market. Had MG gotten his wish of LA, it would have put a huge burden on the witnesses as LA is 5 hours by car when traffic is not heavy and traffic is always heavy in LA. The only person to benefit from a move to LA was MG. Same thing goes here. The only person to benefit from a move to Miami is Baez.


Changes of venue are to ensure the defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial with an impartial jury. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with convenience to witnesses or attorneys. The jury will see the same evidence no matter where the trial is held so I'm curious why you are so worried about change of venue?

[mattncats]

If it's moved to Tampa, and I get called for jury duty, do I have to tell them about the message board??? Surely they wouldn't pick me. I think LWOP is a much worse fate than the Death Penalty. With DP you're done in about 15 or 20 yrs. At least with Life, she has a long time to endure punishment for what she did.

[bchand]

That was what I was trying to say. You were able to put it more succinctly, thank you. Hopefully the judge in this case will be making intelligent decisions like the one in CA. If it's Judge Strickland, I don't think there will be a problem. However, if this is delayed forever, he might not still be on the bench.

I guess, as one poster pointed out, by the time this case goes to trial, a lot of the media coverage will have petered out (even Jose and the A's can't keep this up another year or so) and there will be no problem seating a jury in OC.

And the trial will begin with - Caylee Anthony had not been seen since June 16th (?) and yet it wasn't until July 15th, after her mother caught up with her, that Casey Anthony TOLD anyone she was missing.

SHE said she left her with a babysitter that we have not been able to verify even exists.

Mr. Baez? You're up.

[CelticDawn]

Great observation Des, poor jose is about to get the cultural shock of his life, as he is ground to a pulp between baden and Lyon. :thumbsup:

Insert jokes here..... :lol:

[Scampi]

I could see the trial being moved to Tampa (for example) since it's under 100 mi. from Orlando, but not much further. You're right, it's an inconvenience for witnesses and a huge expense for the state. I just don't see Judge Strickland going for Baez's request to move to Miami-Dade, for one because of the distance and I honestly don't think it would be necessary to go that far. I think by the time this goes to trial it'll be 2 yrs. since Caylee's death. MOO

Hiya Sunnie! I don't see it being moved at all, but rather if necessary having a jury bussed in, much more cost effective. imo.

[bchand]

If it's moved to Tampa, and I get called for jury duty, do I have to tell them about the message board??? Surely they wouldn't pick me. I think LWOP is a much worse fate than the Death Penalty. With DP you're done in about 15 or 20 yrs. At least with Life, she has a long time to endure punishment for what she did.

I have no doubt that it will be a question on the jury questionnaire. I wouldn't dream of hiding that. lol

[*MoonRider*]

And I would bet cindy is the exact same way. Just look at her interviews if there was a question about casey, cindy turned it into a nice little self-absorbed story about her own dang self.

How pathetic did george and cindy look at the hearing. cindy wanted casey to look at her and see how much of a victim she is in this and george tried puffing himself up so casey would see him. Then.....defeat. casey didn't look. What fools these parents are. So now it boils down to ...are they that stupid or are they covering up their own butts?
They brought the car home.
They looked under the playhouse for Caylee.
They pulled the car into a closed garage (to air it out)
They washed the car and it's contents.
Then they went to work.
THEY KNEW!

ITA, this was posted by need2no a while back.
CINDY: ( to 911 operator) And it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car.

CINDY: There was a bag of pizza for, what, 12 days in the back of the car, full of maggots.

CINDY: There was a bag of pizza for, what, 12 days in the back of the car, full of maggots. It stunk so bad. You know how hot it`s been. That smell was terrible!

CINDY: There was no odor in the car when was towed down to the towing company. No odor.

GEORGE : There was an overpowering smell.

CINDY : That smell was terrible.

CINDY : It smelled rotten whatever it was. Something decomposing in there.

“Do me a favor,” the grandmother, Cindy Anthony, said Wednesday. “Put a little piece of pizza or any piece of garbage in your car today and leave it shut up for 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 days in this heat and then come back to me in 19 days and tell me what it smells like.”

CINDY: Maybe someone put a body in the car after it was towed to the tow yard.

LEE : The trunk was open, the windows were rolled down to what I assume ventilate the horrible smell. Whatever it was, it was very potent.

GEORGE said that he now believes the smell came from the combination of a rotting pizza and a cleaning fluid bottle being left in a hot car for 15days

CINDY: I've smelled an odor before I'm a nurse of decomposition that was the worst thing I've ever smelled that bag of pizza with maggots in there that sat in the car.

Sources close to the investigation said George Anthony admitted to the FBI that, when he first smelled his daughter's car, he thought it was the odor of a body.

GEORGE: "It was an overpowering smell, I admit that," he said. "It's a possibility that maybe my daughter ran over something."

CINDY: My husband`s a deputy sheriff. Years ago, he was a homicide investigator, as well. And the first thing he thought was human decomposition. I`m a nurse. I thought human decomposition.


CINDY ANTHONY: I changed my mind on that -- I never changed my mind on that. What I stated was the car smelled, OK. I was told by my husband and also by the gentleman at the tow yard that there was a bag of food that contained pizza and maggots in the car. I went down and I spoke myself with the manager of the tow company, and he told us that that was the cause of the smell in the car. I don't know if anybody that has ever smelled decay of food that's been in a car trunk for 19 days in Florida heat. I have opened my refrigerator and made the comment, something died in here.

GEORGE ANTHONY: My professional opinion is I never really realized how long it would take garbage to smell for 19 days or 18 days inside of a car in Florida, to be honest with you.
THEY KNEW imo

[MissouriGMom]

If it's moved to Tampa, and I get called for jury duty, do I have to tell them about the message board??? Surely they wouldn't pick me. I think LWOP is a much worse fate than the Death Penalty. With DP you're done in about 15 or 20 yrs. At least with Life, she has a long time to endure punishment for what she did.

No, they won't pick you. Especially if you tell them your one of those uninformed, lazy, fat bloggers!! :tongueside:

Cindy would have a fit!

[Stellagant]

Hiya Sunnie! I don't see it being moved at all, but rather if necessary having a jury bussed in, much more cost effective. imo.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

[Imperfect4]

And I would bet cindy is the exact same way. Just look at her interviews if there was a question about casey, cindy turned it into a nice little self-absorbed story about her own dang self.

How pathetic did george and cindy look at the hearing. cindy wanted casey to look at her and see how much of a victim she is in this and george tried puffing himself up so casey would see him. Then.....defeat. casey didn't look. What fools these parents are. So now it boils down to ...are they that stupid or are they covering up their own butts?
They brought the car home.
They looked under the playhouse for Caylee.
They pulled the car into a closed garage (to air it out)
They washed the car and it's contents.
Then they went to work.
THEY KNEW!

Thanks for the reality check/glass of cold water to the face. :thumbup:

[jammies]

Maybe Macho Man really did cry on the jail tape is the reason he does not want it shown. He acts like he is doing women a favor even to talk to them - yuk! Ms. Lyons will either cure him or make him cry again - hopefully in the court room.

I would probably whack him over the head with my purse if he acted like that to me to get his attention. Kathi Belich should ask him why his motions are always so poorly written IF he went to law school.


You might have just hit on something, susaanh. Maybe it's HIS behavior/actions that he doesn't want the public to see. hmmmm

Let your imaginations run wild............ :sneaky:

[desmom]

Great observation Des, poor jose is about to get the cultural shock of his life, as he is ground to a pulp between baden and Lyon. :thumbsup:

Thanks to all that responded and I am glad to know I am not nuts. :hat:

I do think JB is in for one heck of an eye opening experience when it comes to Baden and Lyon.

[Lapis]

I do not believe the dp was on the table in the original plea deal, but I'm not sure. a plea deal can be re-presented at any time; however, offering a deal tends to show weakness in the proseuction's case. Scott Peterson was offered the same deal - LWOP if he would reveal where the body was. He also declined and no plea deal was offered again. Not to mention that his attorney claimed he was "stone cold innocent." This case is looking more and more like Scott Peterson, except I think this case has MUCH more circumstantial evidence than the Peterson trial did.

Please understand that the offer of a plea deal is not a sign of weakness. The biggest uncertainty in any criminal case is the jury. The only way to insure that the defendant spends time behind bars for a plea to be negotiated. As the old saying goes a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Should every prosecutor refuse to take plea bargains, defendants would be routinely released on speedy trial grounds. If you think the courts are overworked now, remove the plea bargaining system. You think too much money is spent on the criminal justice system try removing the plea bargaining system.

This is the biggest misconception there is.

JMO

[sunstar]

Hiya Sunnie! I don't see it being moved at all, but rather if necessary having a jury bussed in, much more cost effective. imo.

Hi Scampi! :seeya: Like I said earlier, I think by the time they get around to considering a COV it won't be necessary. As it is right now, if not for NG & JVM there wouldn't be anything on the national "news" and it seems once new information stops coming out it will dwindle down to nothing. MOO

[*MoonRider*]

Maybe Macho Man really did cry on the jail tape is the reason he does not want it shown. He acts like he is doing women a favor even to talk to them - yuk! Ms. Lyons will either cure him or make him cry again - hopefully in the court room.

I would probably whack him over the head with my purse if he acted like that to me to get his attention. Kathi Belich should ask him why his motions are always so poorly written IF he went to law school.

I think he did cry and that's what he is covering up. He had a presser and made it very clear that HE DID NOT CRY. He doth protest too much. Napoleon Syndrome = little short men with attitudes. jmo

[sunstar]

No, they won't pick you. Especially if you tell them your one of those uninformed, lazy, fat bloggers!! :tongueside:

Cindy would have a fit!

I was just thinking the same thing!! :laugh:

[Bala]

I think there are just some routine statements that are made by defense attorneys (@ least many in the cases that make to national media attention.)

"My client is innocent." "Have you talked w/your client yet?" "No, I haven't met my client yet."

"The prosecution is trying the case in the media." Well, no, mister lawyer. The LE is keeping the public up to date on where the investigation is going, on what they have found. Now, the media might be seen as trying the case in the media, but the prosecution usually isn't saying much @ all. IMO.

And, tied in with the first statement--"We are asking for any hearings to be delayed until I can review the evidence, review the case against my client." You know, the "innocent" client s/he has never met, the case s/he has not one lick of knowledge about.

And, MY favorite!!! "We are going to make a motion that none of the evidence against my client can be presented @ trial. To have that evidence put before a jury is prejudicial."

Are you joking or did they really say that the evidence was to prejudicial? Not even Baez could be that dumb. could he?

[Stellagant]

Please understand that the offer of a plea deal is not a sign of weakness. The biggest uncertainty in any criminal case is the jury. The only way to insure that the defendant spends time behind bars for a plea to be negotiated. As the old saying goes a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Should every prosecutor refuse to take plea bargains, defendants would be routinely released on speedy trial grounds. If you think the courts are overworked now, remove the plea bargaining system. You think too much money is spent on the criminal justice system try removing the plea bargaining system.

This is the biggest misconception there is.

JMO

That and the idea that a change of venue is somehow an "advantage" to the defense.

[crimeq]

Can you point me to that wonderful interview given by Ants neighbors, the older couple that was so cute with each other ...

BF doesn't get too interested in my murder board, lol, but we were talking about how couples relate and I wanted to show him this one :-)

Any help in direction is greatly appreciated!

[Bala]

Please understand that the offer of a plea deal is not a sign of weakness. The biggest uncertainty in any criminal case is the jury. The only way to insure that the defendant spends time behind bars for a plea to be negotiated. As the old saying goes a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Should every prosecutor refuse to take plea bargains, defendants would be routinely released on speedy trial grounds. If you think the courts are overworked now, remove the plea bargaining system. You think too much money is spent on the criminal justice system try removing the plea bargaining system.

This is the biggest misconception there is.

JMO
I'm all for a plea bargain as long as she has to allocate to the crime.

[Imperfect4]

Can you point me to that wonderful interview given by Ants neighbors, the older couple that was so cute with each other ...

BF doesn't get too interested in my murder board, lol, but we were talking about how couples relate and I wanted to show him this one :-)

Any help in direction is greatly appreciated!

Here you be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk

[MissouriGMom]

I was just thinking the same thing!! :laugh:

Cindy just boggles my mind. Those of us here , though obsessed with this case, are very informed and are here because we want justice for Caylee. Why doesn't Cindy? I just will never understand.

:angry:

[crimeq]

Here you be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk

That was fast, Perf! Thanks so much!

[Bala]

I think he did cry and that's what he is covering up. He had a presser and made it very clear that HE DID NOT CRY. He doth protest too much. Napoleon Syndrome = little short men with attitudes. jmo
Wasn't it right after this that Baez ended up in the hospital with stomach problems. Maybe he got an ulcer from trying to pretend everything is going to be all right and Casey is going to win because she's innocent.:thumbsup:

[Stellagant]

Cindy just boggles my mind. Those of us here , though obsessed with this case, are very informed and are here because we want justice for Caylee. Why doesn't Cindy? I just will never understand.

:angry:

Cindy is consumed with guilt.

[legalmania]

Most of his whining motions are filed prematurely. In the COV he filed it immediately after the Orlando Sentinel did an expose on his ethics problems. Lo and behold the COV was all over the news instead of the expose. I was disgusted at the time that his ethics issues were swept under the rug. moo

Was there ever a COV granted?

[*MoonRider*]

That is just awesome. Someone mail that to Cindy. (I love having her email address. :biggrin:)
Mail it to the Prosecutors. I'm sure they already have it. :laugh:

[*MoonRider*]

Was there ever a COV granted?
No, it's way to early. Jose just filed the motion so people wouldn't talk about his ethics problems. I'm impatiently waiting for the Florida Bar to rule.

[Stellagant]

No, it's way to early. Jose just filed the motion so people wouldn't talk about his ethics problems. I'm impatiently waiting for the Florida Bar to rule.

The COV has nothing to do with Jose's ethics problems nor have people stopped talking about Jose. :rolleyes:

[legalmania]

No, it's way to early. Jose just filed the motion so people wouldn't talk about his ethics problems. I'm impatiently waiting for the Florida Bar to rule.

To rule on his ethics?

[Scampi]

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

As we get closer to the trial it may be determined that this case, and the interest in it, has fallen by the wayside. If it hasn't, there is always the option of bringing jurors in from another jurisdiction, rather then going to the expense of moving everyone involved to another county.

[sunstar]

Cindy just boggles my mind. Those of us here , though obsessed with this case, are very informed and are here because we want justice for Caylee. Why doesn't Cindy? I just will never understand.

:angry:

I can't understand either, except that justice for Caylee means Cindy acknowledging her daughter is a murderer. Maybe that's just something she can't, or won't, do. It sure would ruin the family image and prove Casey wasn't a "good mother". MOO

[Scampi]

Cindy is consumed with guilt.


Why? ?????????????

[Stellagant]

As we get closer to the trial it may be determined that this case, and the interest in it, has fallen by the wayside. If it hasn't, there is always the option of bringing jurors in from another jurisdiction, rather then going to the expense of moving everyone involved to another county.

Transporting 16 or so people from a distant county, housing and feeding them for a trial that will last weeks is far more expensive than relocating the trial judge/attorneys/defendant to a distant county.

[CelticDawn]

I'm all for a plea bargain as long as she has to allocate to the crime.

even if she allocutes...I wouldnt believe a word of it unless it was somehow verifiable....and that aint the case.....She would stand up to allocute and LIE

[Stellagant]

Why? ?????????????

She's the one who called the cops on her daughter and she failed to protect her granddaughter. As a result, she's lost both.

[CelticDawn]

Cindy is consumed with guilt.

Cindy is possessed........errr I mean consumed with a lot of things ....and I dont see any guilt in the pile.....arrogance, entitlement, meanness, ill-mannered.....but NO guilt.

[Scampi]

That and the idea that a change of venue is somehow an "advantage" to the defense.

I think the COV in the simpson murder case was absolutely to the defense's advantage.

[MissouriGMom]

I can't understand either, except that justice for Caylee means Cindy acknowledging her daughter is a murderer. Maybe that's just something she can't, or won't, do. It sure would ruin the family image and prove Casey wasn't a "good mother". MOO

Wakeup, Cindy! Your family's image is already ruined and we all know what kind of mother KC is.

( said "is" she made it "was")

[*MoonRider*]

To rule on his ethics?

I don't have links right now but there are three pending investigations, one being from Judge Strickland, one from PI Dominic Casey and the third is unknown. moo Can anyone help with with links, Des?

[Stellagant]

I think the COV in the simpson murder case was absolutely to the defense's advantage.

I don't blame the racist cop, the planted glove and the incompetence of judge/prosecutors on the jury in the Simpson case.

[Scampi]

She's the one who called the cops on her daughter and she failed to protect her granddaughter. As a result, she's lost both.

..... and yet when asked just recently if she had any regrets, she answered no, she would not do anything differently. iirc.

[Scampi]

I don't blame the racist cop, the planted glove and the incompetence of judge/prosecutors on the jury in the Simpson case.

I don't think the glove was planted, I blame the stupid jury.

[raz]

I bet the Grunds are thanking the Good Lord above that Jesse never married her.

My mama always says" He dodged a bullet.":laugh:

[*MoonRider*]

..... and yet when asked just recently if she had any regrets, she answered no, she would not do anything differently. iirc.

Do you think she was telling the truth? :rolleyes:

[Stellagant]

Cindy is possessed........errr I mean consumed with a lot of things ....and I dont see any guilt in the pile.....arrogance, entitlement, meanness, ill-mannered.....but NO guilt.

You may be unwillingly to see it but doesn't change my opinion that Cindy is consumed with guilt.

[Imperfect4]

She's the one who called the cops on her daughter and she failed to protect her granddaughter. As a result, she's lost both.

She lost Casey years ago, was never entitled to *have* Caylee, and refuses to accept responsibility for her actions. Feelings of guilt aren't in her repertoire. imo

[Stellagant]

..... and yet when asked just recently if she had any regrets, she answered no, she would not do anything differently. iirc.

What else could she say? If she admitted she regretted getting the cops involved, she'd be accused of trying to cover it up. Oh. wait. She's already been accused of that by message board posters.

[Scampi]

Do you think she was telling the truth? :rolleyes:


Yes. Because ole cynthia will never, ever admit she has made a mistake. I just love that about her! :lol:

[Imperfect4]

What else could she say? If she admitted she regretted getting the cops involved, she'd be accused of trying to cover it up. Oh. wait. She's already been accused of that by message board posters.

Her actions accused her. Message board posters simply took note.

[Amy]

As usual Desmom, Good point. something to think about. And watch out for.
I did notice when jose was up and talking the camera went to LKB and the new "angel" (cough). There was a little look between the two of them and my mind said....they're gonna get him out. They want this case and he's got to go. Was it just my imagination or does anyone else feel like this?

They seem to be able to string 2 sentences together. While the content of what they say (as in, my client is innocent, but I haven't read much about the case-paraphrased) is weird sometimes, I believe they could probably write and present motions in a much more cogent manner. Casey would do well to notice the difference between the ladies' ability to speak and defend and what Jose is able to provide. If she's smart, she will request he be removed and let the ladies take her case. IMO

[Scampi]

What else could she say? If she admitted she regretted getting the cops involved, she'd be accused of trying to cover it up. Oh. wait. She's already been accused of that by message board posters.

Oh it's just more then message board posters who are suspicious of cynthia anthony attempting to cover things up, LE were also. imo.

[CelticDawn]

Yes. Because ole cynthia will never, ever admit she has made a mistake. I just love that about her! :lol:

NEVER .....and making a mistake and being mad at yourself is DIFFERENT than GUILT....

nope....no guilt there....

more like INCONVENIENCED.

[Stellagant]

She lost Casey years ago, was never entitled to *have* Caylee, and refuses to accept responsibility for her actions. Feelings of guilt aren't in her repertoire. imo


I never said Cindy was entitled to "have" Caylee, I said she feels guilt because she failed to protect Caylee. I'm not so arrogant to assume I am entitled to force Cindy "to accept responsibility" as you seem to be doing.

[legalmania]

I don't blame the racist cop, the planted glove and the incompetence of judge/prosecutors on the jury in the Simpson case.

That case has nothing to do with this case, let it go.

[Amy]

Changes of venue are to ensure the defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial with an impartial jury. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with convenience to witnesses or attorneys. The jury will see the same evidence no matter where the trial is held so I'm curious why you are so worried about change of venue?

It does. If there are 2 choices, all things being equal in media exposure which is why a COV would be considered, the decision would most likely be based on the choice which is closer, which would cause the least inconvenience to the witnesses, the attorneys and the court staff.

[Stellagant]

Oh it's just more then message board posters who are suspicious of cynthia anthony attempting to cover things up, LE were also. imo.

Link to LE accusing Cindy Anthony of covering up anything. Thanks.

[CelticDawn]

....as the Tree billygoats try to cross the bridge........:read:

[Stellagant]

That case has nothing to do with this case, let it go.

I'm not the one who first brought it up.:rolleyes:

[*MoonRider*]

Yes. Because ole cynthia will never, ever admit she has made a mistake. I just love that about her! :lol:
The rotten apple doesn't fall far from the tree imo
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/alike2.jpg

[Imperfect4]

I never said Cindy was entitled to "have" Caylee, I said she feels guilt because she failed to protect Caylee. I'm not so arrogant to assume I am entitled to force Cindy "to accept responsibility" as you seem to be doing.

In order to feel guilt, a person must assume responsibility for their words and actions. Cindy has not, does not, and probably never will be accountable. I can hardly "force" her, nor would I ever want to get close enough to her to entertain the notion, so I have no idea where you're going with the "arrogant" comment.

Cindy has plenty to feel guilty about. But she doesn't. imo

[CelticDawn]

baaa
baaa baaa I mell something very sweet sweet sweet
right up there upon the hil hil hill
lovely grass to eat
its green
its sweet


but alas "SOMETHIGN" is stopping the three billygoats gruff from reaching that grass.

Nobody OCSD FBI or the media bought Cindys stories.....They all had holes in them

[MissouriGMom]

....as the Tree billygoats try to cross the bridge........:read:

Thanks, CD. I just love that story. :wub:

[legalmania]

I'm not the one who first brought it up.:rolleyes:

It's cool didn't mean to pick on you everybody let it go. It's over.

[Amy]

ITA, this was posted by need2no a while back.
CINDY: ( to 911 operator) And it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car.

CINDY: There was a bag of pizza for, what, 12 days in the back of the car, full of maggots.

CINDY: There was a bag of pizza for, what, 12 days in the back of the car, full of maggots. It stunk so bad. You know how hot it`s been. That smell was terrible!

CINDY: There was no odor in the car when was towed down to the towing company. No odor.

GEORGE : There was an overpowering smell.

CINDY : That smell was terrible.

CINDY : It smelled rotten whatever it was. Something decomposing in there.

“Do me a favor,” the grandmother, Cindy Anthony, said Wednesday. “Put a little piece of pizza or any piece of garbage in your car today and leave it shut up for 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 days in this heat and then come back to me in 19 days and tell me what it smells like.”

CINDY: Maybe someone put a body in the car after it was towed to the tow yard.

LEE : The trunk was open, the windows were rolled down to what I assume ventilate the horrible smell. Whatever it was, it was very potent.

GEORGE said that he now believes the smell came from the combination of a rotting pizza and a cleaning fluid bottle being left in a hot car for 15days

CINDY: I've smelled an odor before I'm a nurse of decomposition that was the worst thing I've ever smelled that bag of pizza with maggots in there that sat in the car.

Sources close to the investigation said George Anthony admitted to the FBI that, when he first smelled his daughter's car, he thought it was the odor of a body.

GEORGE: "It was an overpowering smell, I admit that," he said. "It's a possibility that maybe my daughter ran over something."

CINDY: My husband`s a deputy sheriff. Years ago, he was a homicide investigator, as well. And the first thing he thought was human decomposition. I`m a nurse. I thought human decomposition.


CINDY ANTHONY: I changed my mind on that -- I never changed my mind on that. What I stated was the car smelled, OK. I was told by my husband and also by the gentleman at the tow yard that there was a bag of food that contained pizza and maggots in the car. I went down and I spoke myself with the manager of the tow company, and he told us that that was the cause of the smell in the car. I don't know if anybody that has ever smelled decay of food that's been in a car trunk for 19 days in Florida heat. I have opened my refrigerator and made the comment, something died in here.

GEORGE ANTHONY: My professional opinion is I never really realized how long it would take garbage to smell for 19 days or 18 days inside of a car in Florida, to be honest with you.
THEY KNEW imo

I see she's also in CYA mode about talking to the towyard guy. HE says she asked him to change his statement about the odor in the car. He has no pony in this parade, and combined w/what George was telling FBI, I just think I will probably believe towyard guy before I'll believe Cindy Anthony.

I guess I didn't realize how many contradictory statements had been made. I do remember yelling @ Cindy saying she didn't change her mind about the smell when they were on LKL--IMMEDIATELY after she listened to the 911 call!!!! I guess she didn't have her listening ears on when they played that clip.

[*MoonRider*]

Link to LE accusing Cindy Anthony of covering up anything. Thanks.
Cough..... Cindy May Face Obstruction Of Justice Charges
http://www.wftv.com/news/18150085/detail.html:seeya:

[Stellagant]

It does. If there are 2 choices, all things being equal in media exposure which is why a COV would be considered, the decision would most likely be based on the choice which is closer, which would cause the least inconvenience to the witnesses, the attorneys and the court staff.


Wrong. A Judge is required to ensure a fair trial and impartial jury. A judge isn't going to put inconvenience of witnesses--who do not attend a trial daily--ahead of inconvenience of the jury. Other venues have court staff. GMAB.

[jammies]

Thanks, CD. I just love that story. :wub:



Oh, me too....and funny Celtic should post that as I was just THINKIN' about that particular fairy tale :laugh:

[Stellagant]

In order to feel guilt, a person must assume responsibility for their words and actions. Cindy has not, does not, and probably never will be accountable. I can hardly "force" her, nor would I ever want to get close enough to her to entertain the notion, so I have no idea where you're going with the "arrogant" comment.

Cindy has plenty to feel guilty about. But she doesn't. imo

You've never met Cindy so it's arrogance on your part to assume you are right and my opinion is wrong.

[Amy]

Are you joking or did they really say that the evidence was to prejudicial? Not even Baez could be that dumb. could he?

That was a list of what I have heard various and sundry defense lawyers say in pc's over the years. Not specifically to Jose or any of the dream team, except the part about the client being innocent, but I haven't talked to the client/read up on the case.

Sorry, I tho't I prefaced my "list" by what I have heard defense lawyers say, not singling out Jose et al.

[Ckrdpast]

You've never met Cindy so it's arrogance on your part to assume you are right and my opinion is wrong.

have you met cindy?? i

[Stellagant]

Cough..... Cindy May Face Obstruction Of Justice Charges
http://www.wftv.com/news/18150085/detail.html:seeya:


Six months later, still no charges.

[Amy]

Hey crimeq, I didn't think they were cute at all. I thought the woman tried to tell her opinion and several times the husband either spoke over her or corrected her. When you listen to it again, see if you see what I mean.

I did LOVE the opinion of the guy when he said that Cindy was the "b**ch from hell".

When I first started to listen, I tho't Somebody shut that old geezer up--but as it went on, he was giving out some pretty interesting stuff, that's for sure. I kinda tho't they were a cute sounding couple.

[Imperfect4]

You've never met Cindy so it's arrogance on your part to assume you are right and my opinion is wrong.

You've never met her either, yet you make a statement of fact that she feels guilty. Arrogance on your part. imo

[Stellagant]

have you met cindy?? i

I haven't claimed to have not met her.

[Imperfect4]

Six months later, still no charges.

The wheels of justice turn slowly. You seem to know alot about COV's and such, so you should know that.

[*MoonRider*]

You've never met Cindy so it's arrogance on your part to assume you are right and my opinion is wrong.

One doesn't have to personally know Cindy to be repulsed by her behavior. She made sure that people will know her imo.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/crazyspindy5-6-20093-36-20PM5120x40.jpg

[Stellagant]

You've never met her either, yet you make a statement of fact that she feels guilty. Arrogance on your part. imo

No, it is arrogance on your part to claim you know who I know.

[sunstar]

Wakeup, Cindy! Your family's image is already ruined and we all know what kind of mother KC is.

( said "is" she made it "was")

I agree it's ruined already and yes, she should be able to see that by now. Sadly though I don't think she does. MOO

[Imperfect4]

I haven't claimed to have not met her.

You have not claimed to have not met her? :confused:

[Ckrdpast]

I haven't claimed to have not met her.


so i will ask again-have you ever met cindy?

[CelticDawn]

One doesn't have to personally know Cindy to be repulsed by her behavior. She made sure that people will know her imo.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/crazyspindy5-6-20093-36-20PM5120x40.jpg

Those billygoats gruff are gonna have to just make their way across that bridge despite THE OBSTACLE

[Stellagant]

One doesn't have to personally know Cindy to be repulsed by her behavior. She made sure that people will know her imo.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/crazyspindy5-6-20093-36-20PM5120x40.jpg

If her behavior so repulses you, why do you continue to provide her an audience? Jeez.

[Imperfect4]

No, it is arrogance on your part to claim you know who I know.

lol. If you want to see arrogance, claim-making, and assumptions at work, read back up through your own posts, friend. :seeya:

[Amy]

Wrong. A Judge is required to ensure a fair trial and impartial jury. A judge isn't going to put inconvenience of witnesses--who do not attend a trial daily--ahead of inconvenience of the jury. Other venues have court staff. GMAB.

He also has to make decisions that would be make the most sense financially. If there are two choices WHERE ALL THINGS ARE EQUAL ensuring a fair trial and an impartial jury, the judge would take the one that is most responsible financially.

[CelticDawn]

lol. If you want to see arrogance, claim-making, and assumptions at work, read back up through your own posts, friend. :seeya:

Wouldn' it be nice if Dr Lyons could play nice with the OC long enough to get her to spillit????

[*MoonRider*]

I disagree. Cindy should be consumed with guilt, but she isn't.

Sociopaths don't feel guilt. They blame others. imo

[Imperfect4]

Wouldn' it be nice if Dr Lyons could play nice with the OC long enough to get her to spillit????

Spill what? According to Lyon, there's nothing to spill, cuz Jose's girl is *innocent*. :laugh:

[Stellagant]

so i will ask again-have you ever met cindy?

Have I claimed to have met Cindy Anthony?

[jammies]

Those billygoats gruff are gonna have to just make their way across that bridge despite THE OBSTACLE


The obstacle's main goal is to CLOSE the bridge.

Please instruct the goats to take a detour and avoid the bridge that could lead to the relocation camps.


And we all lived happily ever after. baaaaaaaaa


-----------

Question for anyone: Any news on when Lenny is to be deposed? I'm dying to hear what he has to say. Esp. about DC and his little adventure to Suburban Dr.

[Imperfect4]

Sociopaths don't feel guilt. They blame others. imo

I guess when all you ever do is blame others, it's much easier to do whatever you want whenever you want to whomever you want. That's exactly how the Anthony family finds itself in its latest predicament.

[CelticDawn]

Spill what? According to Lyon, there's nothing to spill, cuz Jose's girl is *innocent*. :laugh:

....and Im one step from being the blessed mother


You know all of those attorneys get on the TV before the trial...and make that very same statement...

[Stellagant]

He also has to make decisions that would be make the most sense financially. If there are two choices WHERE ALL THINGS ARE EQUAL ensuring a fair trial and an impartial jury, the judge would take the one that is most responsible financially.

The judge's priority is ensuring a fair trial and impartial jury. Forcing a jury to relocate away from their families for the duration of a trial isn't the most responsible decision from either a compassionate or economic standpoint.

[CelticDawn]

The obstacle's main goal is to CLOSE the bridge.

Please instruct the goats to take a detour and avoid the bridge that could lead to the relocation camps.


And we all lived happily ever after. baaaaaaaaa


-----------

Question for anyone: Any news on when Lenny is to be deposed? I'm dying to hear what he has to say. Esp. about DC and his little adventure to Suburban Dr.

Thank You for your understanding :lol:

I :wub: s you!!!

Will Lennys depo be aired immediately like C ad gs???...Or will it be held?....Is he to be deposed in both the civil case and the crimminal case?....I havent apid too much attention since hes stopped doing his regularly scheduled "shows".

[Scampi]

Link to LE accusing Cindy Anthony of covering up anything. Thanks.

Are you new? Did you miss my IMO? At any rate, check the links thread and read up on the case, it helps. At one point cynthia, george and their attorney were concerned about obstruction charges because of things they had done.

[Imperfect4]

The obstacle's main goal is to CLOSE the bridge.

Please instruct the goats to take a detour and avoid the bridge that could lead to the relocation camps.


And we all lived happily ever after. baaaaaaaaa


-----------

Question for anyone: Any news on when Lenny is to be deposed? I'm dying to hear what he has to say. Esp. about DC and his little adventure to Suburban Dr.

Relocation camps! :laugh:

[CelticDawn]

Are you new? Did you miss my IMO? At any rate, check the links thread and read up on the case, it helps. At one point cynthia, george and their attorney were concerned about obstruction charges because of things they had done.

....knowing full well that they themselves has set off LEs hinkymeters.

[Stellagant]

Wow. Stellagant, you've obviously posted on IS boards a lot, but you seem to have a little attitude here.

If you haven't noticed, we all get along very well on this board. We are all entitled to our opinions... you included... but please don't be insensitive and mean here. We don't like it.

I haven't been insensitive or mean so feel free to use the ignore feature if you can't handle my differing opinion. Thanks.

[Scampi]

The obstacle's main goal is to CLOSE the bridge.

Please instruct the goats to take a detour and avoid the bridge that could lead to the relocation camps.


And we all lived happily ever after. baaaaaaaaa


-----------

Question for anyone: Any news on when Lenny is to be deposed? I'm dying to hear what he has to say. Esp. about DC and his little adventure to Suburban Dr.

lol .............

[apothecary]

Does anyone think that the heart sticker on the duct tape was meant to be seen by G and C and if so what message was intended by including it

[*MoonRider*]

The judge's priority is ensuring a fair trial and impartial jury. Forcing a jury to relocate away from their families for the duration of a trial isn't the most responsible decision from either a compassionate or economic standpoint.

By the time this case goes to trial there will be no need for a COV imo. IF the Anthony's would keep their pie holes closed there would be no interest. As long as they continue to go on National TV to seek donations for a farce foundation they keep the story alive. No story.... no donations. Pathetic, poor Caylee no one in her family will tell the truth. She must be crying. imo

[jammies]

Thank You for your understanding :lol:

I :wub: s you!!!

Will Lennys depo be aired immediately like C ad gs???...Or will it be held?....Is he to be deposed in both the civil case and the crimminal case?....I havent apid too much attention since hes stopped doing his regularly scheduled "shows".



Civil so far. I was hoping it was re-scheduled so I have something to look forward to! You know he will go on and on and on.

[CelticDawn]

By the time this case goes to trial there will be no need for a COV imo. IF the Anthony's would keep their pie holes closed there would be no interest. As long as they continue to go on National TV to seek donations for a farce foundation they keep the story alive. No story.... no donations. Pathetic, poor Caylee no one in her family will tell the truth. She must be crying. imo

CAYLEE is beyond all that evil....all earthly evil....shes in the arms of the Lord....

Not concerned with it all.

[Stellagant]

Are you new? Did you miss my IMO? At any rate, check the links thread and read up on the case, it helps. At one point cynthia, george and their attorney were concerned about obstruction charges because of things they had done.

Yes, at one point they were concerned about obstruction charges. And months later, there still have been no charges. Just a lot of arm-flapping by prosecutors.

Sorry if my opinion causes you so much distress.

[CelticDawn]

Civil so far. I was hoping it was re-scheduled so I have something to look forward to! You know he will go on and on and on.

ask him a simple question adn get several answers, a few what-ifs and a daisy chainconspiracy theory that will make the Kennedy assasination look like a seventh grade piece of fiction.

[Imperfect4]

Does anyone think that the heart sticker on the duct tape was meant to be seen by G and C and if so what message was intended by including it

I'm not convinced it was a message for anyone. This family has zero depth -- they are stunningly shallow. They "define" themselves by their collections of stuff and their symbols. Cindy collects some sort of stuffed animal. Casey's "symbol" is the shamrock. Caylee was known for her sunglass collection (among several) and her "symbol" was the heart. I can plainly imagine Casey simply lalalala-ing as she slapped one of Caylee's "symbols" onto the duct tape with no particular thought or intention. These people are not deep. It's futile to try to read below the surface of them, imo, because there's just nothing there.

[Ckrdpast]

Yes, at one point they were concerned about obstruction charges. And months later, there still have been no charges. Just a lot of arm-flapping by prosecutors.

Sorry if my opinion causes you so much distress.

obstruction charges are probably the back burner-IMO-there are much bigger fish to fry


O/T i watched the FINAL BGT if you want to know who won pm me

[MissouriGMom]

Yes, at one point they were concerned about obstruction charges. And months later, there still have been no charges. Just a lot of arm-flapping by prosecutors.

Sorry if my opinion causes you so much distress.

I don't think that your opinions are the issue, I believe it's your delivery. No offense. Just saying.

I'm a person that likes to get along.

[Stellagant]

By the time this case goes to trial there will be no need for a COV imo. IF the Anthony's would keep their pie holes closed there would be no interest. As long as they continue to go on National TV to seek donations for a farce foundation they keep the story alive. No story.... no donations. Pathetic, poor Caylee no one in her family will tell the truth. She must be crying. imo


Opinions have now been formed locally and lack of publicity isn't going to change them. Why do you care about a COV? The evidence isn't going to change whether the trial is there or elsewhere.

[jammies]

Does anyone think that the heart sticker on the duct tape was meant to be seen by G and C and if so what message was intended by including it



I forget, didn't Cindy have a heart sticker on her car? She may have been a "heart" lover.....some people collect heart jewelery, knick knacks, etc. If so, I could see that as a message to Cindy. Would be even MORE interesting if those heart stickers belonged to Cindy.

[jammies]

ask him a simple question adn get several answers, a few what-ifs and a daisy chainconspiracy theory that will make the Kennedy assasination look like a seventh grade piece of fiction.



lol but it will give us fodder for days on end!! :biggrin:

[Stellagant]

obstruction charges are probably the back burner-IMO-there are much bigger fish to fry


O/T i watched the FINAL BGT if you want to know who won pm me

Such charges would further open the door to Casey's defense to blame the entire crime on the parents.

[Imperfect4]

Such charges would further open the door to Casey's defense to blame the entire crime on the parents.

Whatever works. :thumbsup:

[Stellagant]

Yeah, sorry... you have.

I just don't like people pushing their weight around in here. You're welcome to your opinion, just be nice or else buzz.

Please link my post. Thanks.

[*MoonRider*]

Opinions have now been formed locally and lack of publicity isn't going to change them. Why do you care about a COV? The evidence isn't going to change whether the trial is there or elsewhere.
My point was a change of venue will not be necessary, because the 15 minutes of fame have come and gone and this will be old news by time of trial. Why have they never pleaded for Caylee's safe return? Why aren't they looking for the "real killer?" I personally could care less if obstruction charges are leveled at them. They will have to answer charges to the "one" who really matters. The hope and faith mantra will not cut it. Proverbs 17A murderer's tormented conscience will drive him into the grave. Don't protect him! imo

[CelticDawn]

lol but it will give us fodder for days on end!! :biggrin:

I cant wait!!!

[*MoonRider*]

Whatever works. :thumbsup:

The way Casey totally snubbed her parents the other day tells me that she WILL throw them under the bus to save herself. (Working on a screen shot of the pathetic Anthony's hoping their odious daughter will acknowledge them) moo

[CelticDawn]

The way Casey totally snubbed her parents the other day tells me that she WILL throw them under the bus to save herself. (Working on a screen shot of the pathetic Anthony's hoping their odious daughter will acknowledge them) moo

You know...???....we see it as that....but with all of the ruses, lies, mind games and all kinds of other things these people have perpetrated upon the public.....we just dont know HOW to read that....It could be another game being played by them and acknowledged by good old Jose baez and brad Conway.....Notice too how HE keeps MUCH too close an eye on the goings on.....

[Stellagant]

lol. If you want to see arrogance, claim-making, and assumptions at work, read back up through your own posts, friend. :seeya:

All my posts clearly state that they are my opinion.

:rolleyes:

[sunstar]

Spill what? According to Lyon, there's nothing to spill, cuz Jose's girl is *innocent*. :laugh:

I wonder when she starts catching up on the case if she'll still feel the same way? I still can't believe she admitted to not knowing much about the case. Obviously she hasn't watched Nancy's show for the last 10 months! :laugh: MOO

[sunstar]

The way Casey totally snubbed her parents the other day tells me that she WILL throw them under the bus to save herself. (Working on a screen shot of the pathetic Anthony's hoping their odious daughter will acknowledge them) moo

As in either of them must have murdered Caylee? How will that fit with her ZFG story? I'm also assuming that LKB will coherently explain the odor of decomp and other forensic evidence that links back to Casey? :confused:

[Stellagant]

My point was a change of venue will not be necessary, because the 15 minutes of fame have come and gone and this will be old news by time of trial. Why have they never pleaded for Caylee's safe return? Why aren't they looking for the "real killer?" I personally could care less if obstruction charges are leveled at them. They will have to answer charges to the "one" who really matters. The hope and faith mantra will not cut it. Proverbs 17A murderer's tormented conscience will drive him into the grave. Don't protect him! imo

This case has been in the news nearly a year. No Judge in his right mind would deny a Change of Venue nor should it matter. A COV isn't going to change the outcome. Either there is enough evidence to persuade a jury of Casey's guilt or there isn't.

[jammies]

You know...???....we see it as that....but with all of the ruses, lies, mind games and all kinds of other things these people have perpetrated upon the public.....we just dont know HOW to read that....It could be another game being played by them and acknowledged by good old Jose baez and brad Conway.....Notice too how HE keeps MUCH too close an eye on the goings on.....


Am I missing something or is there a legal reason that Conway is at all Casey's hearings? Either something is going on or he has waaaaay too much time on his hands.

OR he needs to keep a handle on the A's for fear they will go ballistic and get thrown out of court.

He's the A's new nanny.

[*MoonRider*]

As in either of them must have murdered Caylee? How will that fit with her ZFG story? I'm also assuming that LKB will coherently explain the odor of decomp and other forensic evidence that links back to Casey? :confused:
It wasn't decomp, it was pizza. Where have you been? :biggrin:

[CelticDawn]

Am I missing something or is there a legal reason that Conway is at all Casey's hearings? Either something is going on or he has waaaaay too much time on his hands.

OR he needs to keep a handle on the A's for fear they will go ballistic and get thrown out of court.

He's the A's new nanny.

that is what I have been trying to figure out...He is just SO IRKSOME!!!....even on LKL I just couldtn watch anymore because I wanted to crawl through the waves after him :cuss: :mad:

Something is up with him and them .....that whole den of iniquitous plotters and schemers!!!!!

[Stellagant]

As in either of them must have murdered Caylee? How will that fit with her ZFG story? I'm also assuming that LKB will coherently explain the odor of decomp and other forensic evidence that links back to Casey? :confused:

Her parents insisted ZFG exists. All that evidence against Casey also links back to Cindy and George. It was Cindy's car. The last time Caylee was seen with anyone, she was with Cindy. Cindy is volatile, intimidating moreso than Casey.

[CelticDawn]

Am I missing something or is there a legal reason that Conway is at all Casey's hearings? Either something is going on or he has waaaaay too much time on his hands.

OR he needs to keep a handle on the A's for fear they will go ballistic and get thrown out of court.

He's the A's new nanny.

OR....
Maybe they are wearing secret SHOCK COLLARS under their clothes and Conway is carrying the remotes to them.

[CelticDawn]

:confused: did you get up on the wrong side of the bed today?


. . . just askin'

all of us WILL get across the bridge....except for maybe ONE of us who will be "the bait"

[jammies]

OR....
Maybe they are wearing secret SHOCK COLLARS under their clothes and Conway is carrying the remotes to them.




ahhhhh maybe that's why Cindy was squirming and crying. He might have zapped her before she got the chance to shoot the Lee at Natisha.

[Stellagant]

The way Casey totally snubbed her parents the other day tells me that she WILL throw them under the bus to save herself. (Working on a screen shot of the pathetic Anthony's hoping their odious daughter will acknowledge them) moo

I think it is more than obvious that is the strategy. If the outcome frees Casey, would her parents mind? Of course not. What evidence pinpoints specifically to Casey and excludes her parents?

[*MoonRider*]

Her parents insisted ZFG exists. All that evidence against Casey also links back to Cindy and George. It was Cindy's car. The last time Caylee was seen with anyone, she was with Cindy. Cindy is volatile, intimidating moreso than Casey.

:D are you saying Cindy will fall on her sword to protect her odious daughter?

[kOOkie1]

Am I missing something or is there a legal reason that Conway is at all Casey's hearings? Either something is going on or he has waaaaay too much time on his hands.

OR he needs to keep a handle on the A's for fear they will go ballistic and get thrown out of court.

He's the A's new nanny.
LOL Jammies..I think your right!! Guess Conway is afraid Cindy will stand up..raise her hand and open her mouth..yikes:ohmy:

[sunstar]

It wasn't decomp, it was pizza. Where have you been? :biggrin:

Oh yes, whatever Cindy says!!! My bad! :unsure:

[Stellagant]

:D are you saying Cindy will fall on her sword to protect her odious daughter?

Finger-pointing at Cindy doesn't require Cindy to fall upon a sword.

[sunstar]

Her parents insisted ZFG exists. All that evidence against Casey also links back to Cindy and George. It was Cindy's car. The last time Caylee was seen with anyone, she was with Cindy. Cindy is volatile, intimidating moreso than Casey.

So in this scenario, Casey told LE all these details (and lies) about ZFG to lead them down that path and away from her parents as the ones who were responsible for Caylee being missing? And she's sitting in jail now covering for them, but will reveal the truth at trial? I really am trying to figure this out!

[Stellagant]

Not reporting her missing for a month until Cindy freaked out and called 911.

Casey's story from the very beginning is that she left Caylee with the nanny. That's not a crime.

[CelticDawn]

So in this scenario, Casey told LE all these details (and lies) about ZFG to lead them down that path and away from her parents as the ones who were responsible for Caylee being missing? And she's sitting in jail now covering for them, but will reveal the truth at trial? I really am trying to figure this out!

sweetie....:wub: Youll drive yourself crazy in a round room running around looking for a corner....

casey drove the LE away from Cindy and George by creating zanny (who was and is REALLY casey)....but since Cindy feels ALLEGEDLY feels so much guilt and remorse for not telling the voices in caseys head to shut up and chasing away her imaginary associates....she decides to go along with it all...but yet Casey is going to let her attorneys throw Cindy under the bus while Cindy insists that Jesse or amy one must be zanny...
Like I said ....round room looking for a corner....

[CelticDawn]

:rolleyes:

actually at ONE time, the Nanny and her psychosister TOOK caylee from her at the park.....

[*MoonRider*]

Finger-pointing at Cindy doesn't require Cindy to fall upon a sword.

Nice try Stella but it won't fly. Cindy was panicked in the 911 call.
CINDY ANTHONY: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff is not here. I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can't find my granddaughter. And she just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong. I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car.
If that is the defense theory the jury will be insulted. Cindy is as odious as her daughter but it won't fly. I'm in Florida and have served on 3 juries and believe me, the jury doesn't like defense attorneys to insult their intelligence. Defense gamesmanship will always hurt the defendant. Have you got any other theory of who killed Caylee? I anxiously await your response. No worries, I'm not in the Orange County or Miami-Dade jury pool. :thumbsup:

[Kokopelli]

Casey's story from the very beginning is that she left Caylee with the nanny. That's not a crime.

I would think it would be child endangerment at the least to leave your child with a nanny that you don't know the name of, the address of and no one that has been taking care of the child (i.e.grandparents) could name the nanny and point to this nanny as a viable human being. Mothers have been put behind bars and children taken away from them for less. :w00t:

[Kokopelli]

Finger-pointing at Cindy doesn't require Cindy to fall upon a sword.

Because she has already swallowed it ?:angry:

[Stellagant]

So in this scenario, Casey told LE all these details (and lies) about ZFG to lead them down that path and away from her parents as the ones who were responsible for Caylee being missing? And she's sitting in jail now covering for them, but will reveal the truth at trial? I really am trying to figure this out!

Not quite. All the defense has to trigger reasonable doubt with a jury is to successfully point the finger at SODDI. So far, several friends and family have stated that Casey talked about Zanny and there's no proof ZFG never existed. There does seem to be plenty of proof that Cindy is a volatile, controlling and very unlikeable person.

[Stellagant]

Because she has already swallowed it ?:angry:

Publicly she has. That's why I think it's their strategy. No legal consequences so far.

[kOOkie1]

actually at ONE time, the Nanny and her psychosister TOOK caylee from her at the park.....

Yep..pushed her down, drove off and left Casey with instructions..yet, Casey still waited 31 days before mentioning it to anybody..and she still wasent the one that reported her missing. :closedeyes:
amazing-

[*MoonRider*]

Casey's story from the very beginning is that she left Caylee with the nanny. That's not a crime.

Lying is a criminal offense. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0837/SEC06.HTMThere is no Nanny, she's non existent. I can't wait to hear more. This is just like a novel. :thumbsup:

[TunaMelt]

Cindy is consumed with guilt.

So this is the reknowned Dr. S.Tellagant, I take it.

Your reputation preceded you.

:bored:

[Stellagant]

I would think it would be child endangerment at the least to leave your child with a nanny that you don't know the name of, the address of and no one that has been taking care of the child (i.e.grandparents) could name the nanny and point to this nanny as a viable human being. Mothers have been put behind bars and children taken away from them for less. :w00t:

Casey provided a name of her nanny. Her parents never bothered to check it out, never intervened all those nights Casey was dragging Caylee around, sleeping elsewhere.

[sunstar]

sweetie....:wub: Youll drive yourself crazy in a round room running around looking for a corner....

casey drove the LE away from Cindy and George by creating zanny (who was and is REALLY casey)....but since Cindy feels ALLEGEDLY feels so much guilt and remorse for not telling the voices in caseys head to shut up and chasing away her imaginary associates....she decides to go along with it all...but yet Casey is going to let her attorneys throw Cindy under the bus while Cindy insists that Jesse or amy one must be zanny...
Like I said ....round room looking for a corner....
(bolding mine)

Yes, I quickly figured that out! :wink:

[CelticDawn]

Because she has already swallowed it ?:angry:

If THAT ONE swallowed her sword it would DISSOLVE the metal.

[sunstar]

Not quite. All the defense has to trigger reasonable doubt with a jury is to successfully point the finger at SODDI. So far, several friends and family have stated that Casey talked about Zanny and there's no proof ZFG never existed. There does seem to be plenty of proof that Cindy is a volatile, controlling and very unlikeable person.

What about George? He'd have to be lying too. According to him the last time Caylee was seen was with Casey, walking out the door just before 1pm on 6/16 while he was watching the food channel. :smile:

[apothecary]

Yep..pushed her down, drove off and left Casey with instructions..yet, Casey still waited 31 days before mentioning it to anybody..and she still wasent the one that reported her missing. :closedeyes:
amazing-
weird.....

[sunstar]

We need a doc dumb or a funny motion to discuss.

:lol: "doc dumb?" I'm sure Jose could draft another motion in no time!

[TunaMelt]

Yea, all they did was argue on the last Gay marriage board where I was reading her posts and also on the board before that. I hope we do not get closed down. I have really enjoyed this board and "my new best friends".

Okay.

There are other places to go to.

Have fun.

[sunstar]

Is it my imagination or is it starting to smell bad in here?

Cindy must have opened her refrigerator door. :biggrin:

[*MoonRider*]

Casey provided a name of her nanny. Her parents never bothered to check it out, never intervened all those nights Casey was dragging Caylee around, sleeping elsewhere.

There is no Nanny. Lying is a criminal offense.
Title XLVI CRIMES
Chapter 837 PERJURY
837.055 False information to law enforcement during investigation.--Whoever knowingly and willfully gives false information to a law enforcement officer who is conducting a missing person investigation or a felony criminal investigation with the intent to mislead the officer or impede the investigation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/837.055.html

If Zanny has a dog she must exist. If the dog exists, you must acquit.:lol:

Can you explain the ugly coping to us?

[Stellagant]

Nice try Stella but it won't fly. Cindy was panicked in the 911 call.
CINDY ANTHONY: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff is not here. I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can't find my granddaughter. And she just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong. I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car.
If that is the defense theory the jury will be insulted. Cindy is as odious as her daughter but it won't fly. I'm in Florida and have served on 3 juries and believe me, the jury doesn't like defense attorneys to insult their intelligence. Defense gamesmanship will always hurt the defendant. Have you got any other theory of who killed Caylee? I anxiously await your response. No worries, I'm not in the Orange County or Miami-Dade jury pool. :thumbsup:


Cindy and George have also told LE that Cindy was communicating with Casey via phone that entire month so to conclude Cindy was really "panicked" is a bit of a stretch, imo. Her initial call was because she was mad about stolen money and the car. No mention of the child.

A defense that suggests somebody else did it isn't going to insult an impartial juror. Only one who is biased against the defense going into the case would be biased and that's grounds for mistrial in Florida and everywhere else.

[sunstar]

If Zanny has a dog she must exist. If the dog exists, you must acquit.:lol:

(respectfully snipped)



That should be the new mantra for the case. Quick, send it to Jose! :biggrin:

[apothecary]

Many Saturday nights I am dressed in my jammies ready to spend a night with my IS pals and someone comes in and the next thing I know the board is shut down.I hope that doesnt happen tonight cause Im in my jammies ready....

[jammies]

Too bad poor Casey is missing the excitement of the PLAYOFF'S in ORLAWNDO tonight!! Bet the city is fired up and all her friends will be partying and havin' a good ole time. :smile:

[Stellagant]

What about George? He'd have to be lying too. According to him the last time Caylee was seen was with Casey, walking out the door just before 1pm on 6/16 while he was watching the food channel. :smile:

I think they are all liars and that is going to work to Casey's advantage at trial, unfortunately.

[gaelicpeas]

Speaking of doc dumps - are there any more coming? Anyone know if all of the evidence would have been made public by now or could the state still have more that we are unaware of.IIRC, one of the local news outlets said that discovery docs were turned over to the defense about a week ago.

[Imperfect4]

I wonder if George knew what a fool he would appear to be hearing his wife refer to the decomp smell as "old pizza" and just keeping quiet about it. You know, him being former LE and having already given a statement to LE that "you never forget that smell".

Didn't it turn out that it was an EMPTY pizza box? And weren't the maggots actually from the source of the smell, the decomp fluid or whatever?

Bolding mine. Not as foolish as he looked during their first appearance on LKL, when he talked to his shoes about just how bad garbage could smell sitting in a hot car for weeks. :rolleyes:

[sunstar]

IIRC, one of the local news outlets said that discovery docs were turned over to the defense about a week ago.

Oh, thanks! Any idea what was in this latest release?

[Imperfect4]

Publicly she has. That's why I think it's their strategy. No legal consequences so far.

There's no strategy. The A's are rolling like they've always rolled. Only now they're paying dearly for it.

[Imperfect4]

So this is the reknowned Dr. S.Tellagant, I take it.

Your reputation preceded you.

:bored:

:ohmy:

You had me goin there for a minute, Tuna. :laugh:

[Imperfect4]

Speaking of doc dumps - are there any more coming? Anyone know if all of the evidence would have been made public by now or could the state still have more that we are unaware of.

I suspect we've seen all the good stuff we're gonna see. I think the state has plenty, but we won't see it until trial.

[jammies]

I wonder if it has hit her yet. That she will either be put to death or spend the rest of her life in prison.


If it didn't before it will soon. Doubt Baez clued her into what she is facing. I bet we see a new attitude with Lyon on board.
She'll want Casey to squeeze out some tears at the mention of Caylee.
Good luck with that!

If the court smells like raw onions, we'll know why!

[Stellagant]

There's no strategy. The A's are rolling like they've always rolled. Only now they're paying dearly for it.

I'm pretty sure this is uncharted territory for the Anthonys and also that they are being advised by legal counsel. Their daughter hasn't been convicted yet.

[Imperfect4]

Yea, all they did was argue on the last Gay marriage board where I was reading her posts and also on the board before that. I hope we do not get closed down. I have really enjoyed this board and "my new best friends".

There's an easy answer to the concern. Skip-scroll-ignore-do not engage. I can take my own advice. (And Celtic's.) Anyone else?

[*MoonRider*]

There's an easy answer to the concern. Skip-scroll-ignore-do not engage. I can take my own advice. (And Celtic's.) Anyone else?

I'm guilty but I'll try harder. :rolleyes:

[Imperfect4]

Many Saturday nights I am dressed in my jammies ready to spend a night with my IS pals and someone comes in and the next thing I know the board is shut down.I hope that doesnt happen tonight cause Im in my jammies ready....

Do your jammies have feet in them? :smile:

[Stellagant]

there's an easy answer to the concern. Skip-scroll-ignore-do not engage. I can take my own advice. (and celtic's.) anyone else?

ita.........

[Barbara fl.]

Casey's story from the very beginning is that she left Caylee with the nanny. That's not a crime.



It is if the nanny does NOT exists....

[kOOkie1]

Cindy and George have also told LE that Cindy was communicating with Casey via phone that entire month so to conclude Cindy was really "panicked" is a bit of a stretch, imo. Her initial call was because she was mad about stolen money and the car. No mention of the child.

A defense that suggests somebody else did it isn't going to insult an impartial juror. Only one who is biased against the defense going into the case would be biased and that's grounds for mistrial in Florida and everywhere else.

George also told LE that Casey was the last person with Caylee. All the worse that Casey had been communicating with her Mother for 31 days and no mention of a kidnapping to at leat her?..actually the opposite by Lying saying Caylee was fine and with a "Nanny". I agree cindy's initial call was based on a scare tactic toward Casey..it was not Cindy's place to report Caylee missing, it was Casey's. She never did.
Her owm grandmother said something to the effect that Casey hated Cindy more than she must have loved Caylee..
Thats pretty heavy-
I think the Jury will laugh at TeamCasey's attempt to blame anyone else.

[jammies]

All Casey has to do is think of herself and how HER life has been taken away and I'm sure she'll be able to muster up those tears. Sickening. These types of people are very good at fooling others. I've heard lovers of Casey who had known her for a long time and never saw the deviant personality until now. Can she fool a jury?



No way. That's why they will never put her on the stand. She doesn't speak coherently, makes no sense whatsoever, no remorse. etc.


gotta go.....game 6. Go Cavs!

bbl

[Imperfect4]

IIRC, one of the local news outlets said that discovery docs were turned over to the defense about a week ago.

We need to call Roto-Rooter, because "we" (the public) are several dumps behind. I have no idea why the last several doc drops either haven't made it to media outlets, or haven't been released to the public by media outlets. It's a mystery.

But on the other hand, the last few drops we did see were a HUGE waste for the most part, so I'm not sure there's anything else important we're going to see before trial.

[Stellagant]

All Casey has to do is think of herself and how HER life has been taken away and I'm sure she'll be able to muster up those tears. Sickening. These types of people are very good at fooling others. I've heard lovers of Casey who had known her for a long time and never saw the deviant personality until now. Can she fool a jury?

Only if she can fool a shrink into concluding she's insane.

[Imperfect4]

O M G

I missed that one. Eww. That's pretty bad. I feel embarassed just thinking about it.

I just saw brief clips (can't watch any of them anymore, haven't been able to for awhile). It was the night before Caylee's remains were discovered. George, er, *reinvented history* right along with Cindy, looking shamefully down at his shoes as he spun his tale about the smell in the car. That was the appearance that sent the majority of the remaining George sympathizers right down the terlet.

[Stellagant]

George also told LE that Casey was the last person with Caylee. All the worse that Casey had been communicating with her Mother for 31 days and no mention of a kidnapping to at leat her?..actually the opposite by Lying saying Caylee was fine and with a "Nanny". I agree cindy's initial call was based on a scare tactic toward Casey..it was not Cindy's place to report Caylee missing, it was Casey's. She never did.
Her owm grandmother said something to the effect that Casey hated Cindy more than she must have loved Caylee..
Thats pretty heavy-
I think the Jury will laugh at TeamCasey's attempt to blame anyone else.

I don't think the jury will laugh at anything at all about this case. The fact that there was any reason at all for Casey to hate Cindy is very troubling. Subjecting a child to such a toxic environment is as much Cindy's fault as it is Casey's.

[Imperfect4]

I'm pretty sure this is uncharted territory for the Anthonys and also that they are being advised by legal counsel. Their daughter hasn't been convicted yet.

The territory is uncharted, their character defects are not. And if they're being advised by legal counsel to behave in this fashion, they should probably look for better legal counsel. Perhaps someone who charges for his or her services. :rolleyes:

[toadii]

There is no Nanny. Lying is a criminal offense.
Title XLVI CRIMES
Chapter 837 PERJURY
837.055 False information to law enforcement during investigation.--Whoever knowingly and willfully gives false information to a law enforcement officer who is conducting a missing person investigation or a felony criminal investigation with the intent to mislead the officer or impede the investigation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/837.055.html

If Zanny has a dog she must exist. If the dog exists, you must acquit.:lol:

Can you explain the ugly coping to us?
:thumbsup:
Beware Casa de Ants....

[Barbara fl.]

I'm pretty sure this is uncharted territory for the Anthonys and also that they are being advised by legal counsel. Their daughter hasn't been convicted yet.



Not yet...but trust me, she will be....:rolleyes:

[Stellagant]

The territory is uncharted, their character defects are not. And if they're being advised by legal counsel to behave in this fashion, they should probably look for better legal counsel. Perhaps someone who charges for his or her services. :rolleyes:

From a defense perspective, their "character defects"--whether actually real or merely exagerrated as a strategy--will help their daughter's case at trial, not hurt it.

[Barbara fl.]

George also told LE that Casey was the last person with Caylee. All the worse that Casey had been communicating with her Mother for 31 days and no mention of a kidnapping to at leat her?..actually the opposite by Lying saying Caylee was fine and with a "Nanny". I agree cindy's initial call was based on a scare tactic toward Casey..it was not Cindy's place to report Caylee missing, it was Casey's. She never did.
Her owm grandmother said something to the effect that Casey hated Cindy more than she must have loved Caylee..
Thats pretty heavy-
I think the Jury will laugh at TeamCasey's attempt to blame anyone else.



Thank you.....:thumbsup:

[*MoonRider*]

I suspect we've seen all the good stuff we're gonna see. I think the state has plenty, but we won't see it until trial.
I think the clincher will be the garbage bags with yellow handles and duct tape. This pic taken 7/25 by Murt has yellow ties on the garbage bags.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/july25photos039.jpg

Cindy provided a black plastic bag with yellow handles to LE early on.

"If anyone thinks this is a slam-dunk case, they are far from mistaken." Jose

[Stellagant]

Not yet...but trust me, she will be....:rolleyes:

I wish I shared such confidence.

[Imperfect4]

Wow. Were they being blackmailed by their own daughter into covering for her? They obviously knew the truth. George doesn't seem like the type of man who would make a fool out of himself like that unless there was something seriously at stake. I still think there is a terrible family secret of some sort. I can't wait til this goes to trial and I hope it is televised.

I think the terrible family secret is playing out right in front of us, and the secret is: this family is terrible. I honestly no longer think there's any big shocking secret. Imo, there doesn't have to be. When the foundation of your family and your lives is lying, manipulating, and never taking responsibility for your actions, it can really look just as ugly as this looks without anything more going on. Especially when you're dealing with not just one, but two family members with acute narcissism and sociopathic tendencies.

I've decided George's primary motivator in life is to stay with Cindy. Toward that end, he'll say what he needs to say and do what he needs to do. No one in this group is guided by principles or a moral compass, but simply by getting what they want when they want it. imo

[Barbara fl.]

Only if she can fool a shrink into concluding she's insane.


Too bad for Casey that sociopaths are not considered insane...

[Stellagant]

I think the clincher will be the garbage bags with yellow handles and duct tape. This pic taken 7/25 by Murt has yellow ties on the garbage bags.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/july25photos039.jpg

Cindy provided a black plastic bag with yellow handles to LE early on.

"If anyone thinks this is a slam-dunk case, they are far from mistaken." Jose

Yes but where's the proof that Casey and not Cindy or George disposed of the child in that bag?

[Barbara fl.]

I wish I shared such confidence.




Then you must not believe in justice prevailing.....

[Imperfect4]

From a defense perspective, their "character defects"--whether actually real or merely exagerrated as a strategy--will help their daughter's case at trial, not hurt it.

There's no strategy. Their daughter's going to prison. If they wind up in adjoining cells, c'est la vie.

[Stellagant]

Too bad for Casey that sociopaths are not considered insane...

I wasn't aware a psychiatrist has made any diagnosis. Link, please. Thanks.

[gaelicpeas]

Oh, thanks! Any idea what was in this latest release?Not a clue. There have now been numerous doc dumps where we, the public, got nothing. I wonder if some of these docs contain info from the autopsy, etc., that is sealed... or maybe pics of the remains. I can't think of other reasons for things to be sealed from public disclosure, but I am sure there are probably others. JMO

[Stellagant]

Then you must not believe in justice prevailing.....

Justice doesn't always prevail is the problem. Not every guilty person is convicted.

[sunstar]

I think the clincher will be the garbage bags with yellow handles and duct tape. This pic taken 7/25 by Murt has yellow ties on the garbage bags.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/july25photos039.jpg

Cindy provided a black plastic bag with yellow handles to LE early on.

"If anyone thinks this is a slam-dunk case, they are far from mistaken." Jose

I remember seeing that photo before and agree with you ~ especially about the rare imprinted duct (duck) tape. Then there's also the laundry bag and other items from the house found with Caylee's remains. It kind of takes anybody who hadn't been inside the house out of the equation. I'm still trying to figure out Jose's quote you posted!!! MOO

[gaelicpeas]

Totally missed your reply. Is it possible there is evidence in there that we are not already aware of?I think it must be sealed.. or excluded from disclosure to the public. But JMO... who knows, we may get a doc dump on Monday.

[Barbara fl.]

Yes but where's the proof that Casey and not Cindy or George disposed of the child in that bag?



I could tell you this much....your psyche is not working....and for obvious reasons.....

You may have convinced yourself, I repeat "may have"...because I really doubt that you believe what you are saying .....you seem to be just looking for an arguemnt....

Your entitled to your opinion....but let it be an opinion.....

[Imperfect4]

I didn't realize that George and Cindy were so profoundly codependent. This whole thing is like reading a novel.

George thinks Cindy's the bees knees. He's a nervous nellie about losing his prize. He does whatever it takes.

It does read like a novel! That's the reason this forum has been so active for almost a year now.

[Stellagant]

I remember seeing that photo before and agree with you ~ especially about the rare imprinted duct (duck) tape. Then there's also the laundry bag and other items from the house found with Caylee's remains. It kind of takes anybody who hadn't been inside the house out of the equation. I'm still trying to figure out Jose's quote you posted!!! MOO

Unfortunately, only one person who was inside that house has been charged.

[sunstar]

Not a clue. There have now been numerous doc dumps where we, the public, got nothing. I wonder if some of these docs contain info from the autopsy, etc., that is sealed... or maybe pics of the remains. I can't think of other reasons for things to be sealed from public disclosure, but I am sure there are probably others. JMO

What about that video of Casey in jail reacting to remains being found, that Jose doesn't want released? :shrug:

[*MoonRider*]

I remember seeing that photo before and agree with you ~ especially about the rare imprinted duct (duck) tape. Then there's also the laundry bag and other items from the house found with Caylee's remains. It kind of takes anybody who hadn't been inside the house out of the equation. I'm still trying to figure out Jose's quote you posted!!! MOO
Jose is an idiot. I have more :laugh:
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/gascam.jpg Gas can.

[bonniez45]

Just came back on today I want to give thanks for answers to my query.
And I have to say IMO that this is a great discussion board for the pros and cons. It's heartening that little CayLee have people there for her.

[Barbara fl.]

I wasn't aware a psychiatrist has made any diagnosis. Link, please. Thanks.



I don't remember saying one did....it is MY OPINION....that Casey is a sociopath, however, that wont save her from the needle......

Scott Peterson was classified as a sociopath, and look where he is....

Casey will be lucky if she just gets LWOP....

[Stellagant]

I could tell you this much....your psyche is not working....and for obvious reasons.....

You may have convinced yourself, I repeat "may have"...because I really doubt that you believe what you are saying .....you seem to be just looking for an arguemnt....

Your entitled to your opinion....but let it be an opinion.....

Convinced myself of what? You're the one who stated as fact that Casey Anthony is a sociopath. I merely asked you for a link.

My posts are clearly marked as my opinion.

[Barbara fl.]

There's no strategy. Their daughter's going to prison. If they wind up in adjoining cells, c'est la vie.



I love the way you put things.....:thumbsup:

[gaelicpeas]

What about that video of Casey in jail reacting to remains being found, that Jose doesn't want released? :shrug:
That was certainly one of them. But there have been numerous doc dumps... I think at least 5 or 6... where we haven't seen anything.

[Barbara fl.]

Justice doesn't always prevail is the problem. Not every guilty person is convicted.



This one will be....I know Florida....Casey picked the wrong state to *$%# up in .....

[*MoonRider*]

I don't remember saying one did....it is MY OPINION....that Casey is a sociopath, however, that wont save her from the needle......

Scott Peterson was classified as a sociopath, and look where he is....

Casey will be lucky if she just gets LWOP....

I agree Barbara. There is much more circumstantial evidence in this case and the "Mother of the Year" will be looking at this gurney imo
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/gurney.gif

[Barbara fl.]

IMO she is definitely either a sociopath, narcissist, psycopath or some mixture of all of them. She might even be a borderline. The lack of empathy and the capacity for normal human relatedness is something all of those disorders share.


Without a doubt....too bad for Casey that Florida doesn't accept any of them as a defense....

But I so agree with you.....she is a mixture of macadonians

[Barbara fl.]

Convinced myself of what? You're the one who stated as fact that Casey Anthony is a sociopath. I merely asked you for a link.

My posts are clearly marked as my opinion.


I really don't have to specify that it is MY OPINION...If I am writing it then it is MY OPINION....

Casey is a sociopath...but can not use it as a defense.....

[Barbara fl.]

I like you Barbara. You seem like my kind of person. :biggrinjester:

Thank you for that....we all get along just fine on here...well almost all of us..:wink:

[Jester]

So in this scenario, Casey told LE all these details (and lies) about ZFG to lead them down that path and away from her parents as the ones who were responsible for Caylee being missing? And she's sitting in jail now covering for them, but will reveal the truth at trial? I really am trying to figure this out!

I'm totally out of the loop on recent developments. Is there some speculation that Baez wants to raise reasonable doubt by suggesting that the parents did it? If George lied about when he last saw Calyee (per Leonard Pacilla), that plays right into that theory.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree Barbara. There is much more circumstantial evidence in this case and the "Mother of the Year" will be looking at this gurney imo
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/gurney.gif




Your right...there is more evidence in this case than I hae ever seen....there is just NO logical defense for Casey....


She's gooooooing....:biggrin:

[Jester]

I wonder if George knew what a fool he would appear to be hearing his wife refer to the decomp smell as "old pizza" and just keeping quiet about it. You know, him being former LE and having already given a statement to LE that "you never forget that smell".

Didn't it turn out that it was an EMPTY pizza box? And weren't the maggots actually from the source of the smell, the decomp fluid or whatever?

That also plays into the alternative theory of the parents did it.

[Jester]

sweetie....:wub: Youll drive yourself crazy in a round room running around looking for a corner....

casey drove the LE away from Cindy and George by creating zanny (who was and is REALLY casey)....but since Cindy feels ALLEGEDLY feels so much guilt and remorse for not telling the voices in caseys head to shut up and chasing away her imaginary associates....she decides to go along with it all...but yet Casey is going to let her attorneys throw Cindy under the bus while Cindy insists that Jesse or amy one must be zanny...
Like I said ....round room looking for a corner....

I like that analysis

[Stellagant]

This one will be....I know Florida....Casey picked the wrong state to *$%# up in .....

Florida isn't any different than any other state. They still have to prove the case and the outcome isn't guaranteed no matter how much you wish it so.

:rolleyes:

[Barbara fl.]

Ah, never mind him/her. Just ignore. That's what the rest of us decided to do before you got on. :wink:

Gee, I wish I had known.....:laugh:...I was wonder why I was the only one they/he/she was answering.....:biggrin:

[gaelicpeas]

That also plays into the alternative theory of the parents did it.There is discussion at another forum about this, also. Although I think that discussion is leading toward George, not Cindy. JMO

[Imperfect4]

I'm totally out of the loop on recent developments. Is there some speculation that Baez wants to raise reasonable doubt by suggesting that the parents did it? If George lied about when he last saw Calyee (per Leonard Pacilla), that plays right into that theory.

Yes, we're speculating that an Anthony or three (those not yet incarcerated) could be hung out to dry in the defense team's effort to either pin the murder on someone else, or show the "mitigating circumstance" of growing up with George and Cindy's careful guidance. :rolleyes:

[Jester]

So this is the reknowned Dr. S.Tellagant, I take it.

Your reputation preceded you.

:bored:

Looks like the doctor has gone fishing.

[Jester]

Speaking of doc dumps - are there any more coming? Anyone know if all of the evidence would have been made public by now or could the state still have more that we are unaware of.

Do we know when the jail reaction video will be released?

[*MoonRider*]

Caylee's grandmother, Cynthia Anthony, said the shovel was for yard work and said Casey didn't have keys to the family tool shed.

"We have bamboo growing in our backyard. The only way to get rid of it is to use a shovel," Cynthia told Eyewitness Newshttp://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html

[sunstar]

That was certainly one of them. But there have been numerous doc dumps... I think at least 5 or 6... where we haven't seen anything.

I hadn't realized it had been that many! :ohmy: Now I'm really curious why we haven't seen anything.

[Barbara fl.]

Yes, we're speculating that an Anthony or three (those not yet incarcerated) could be hung out to dry in the defense team's effort to either pin the murder on someone else, or show the "mitigating circumstance" of growing up with George and Cindy's careful guidance. :rolleyes:

The one good thing with that is that the mitigating circumstances come in at the "penalty phase" only.....

And I certainly agree that the whole family needs to be behind bars....to TRY and cover up such a thing like this makes them just as guilty as the one who did it.....

[gaelicpeas]

Now that the new DPQ attorney has joined the defense team, this might be a good time to remind any IS newcomers that often in high-profile cases, the defense hires people to "infiltrate" the boards, planting seeds of doubt, etc. With the addition of Ms Lyon to the team, I have no doubt that this has occurred. JMO I think the last time this happened in this case was when NeJame was on board, but not really a peep since he left. Again, all JMO

[Imperfect4]

Do we know when the jail reaction video will be released?

No decision on that yet. The media has a certain amount of time (not specified) to provide Judge S. with an argument as to why it should be. The state's position is it doesn't give a hoot. (I share that opinion.) Jose and company are treating this one video tape as if it's the linchpin of the case. Never seen such moaning and whining about nothing in my life.

[Barbara fl.]

Looks like the doctor has gone fishing.

:laugh:...I guess our waters were too heated....

[Jester]

Ugly coping has taken on a whole new meaning. JMHO

I don't really understand ugly coping, unless it's referring to people that hit a depression, or bad spot, in their lives and take up partying. Is that what Baez is trying to say Casey did after murdering her daughter, took up grief induced partying?

[need2no]

Not a clue. There have now been numerous doc dumps where we, the public, got nothing. I wonder if some of these docs contain info from the autopsy, etc., that is sealed... or maybe pics of the remains. I can't think of other reasons for things to be sealed from public disclosure, but I am sure there are probably others. JMO

I can't help but be curious about what was up with Cindy at the hearing. To start with she almost sits on the prosecution side when she enters the court room. Then there was her appearance and demeanor, followed by no conversation with the media after the hearing. To me it appeared that Cindy had not gotten much sleep in at least a couple of days, and/or she had been crying quite a bit. Her eyes were puffy and had dark circles. George didn't look good either. I couldn't determine if Cindy appeared more upset, or more angry, but something was different.

So I started thinking about what has happened recently that could have gotten them upset:

*perhaps something in a recent doc dump that Baez shared with them
*reason George went for a job interview (money running dry? Lee moving out? foundation not bringing in the $) Or was George dressed up for some other reason that has Cindy upset
*related to reason Conway claimed he injuried his back and couldn't attend the hearing (are they not seeing eye to eye w/BC) they didn't seem to friendly at the hearing
*knowing time is running out before the next hearing regarding Morgan depos and having to answer those questions they don't want to answer
*Cindy's upcoming 51st birthday on June 5th
*possibly a meeting with Andrea Lyon where she laid out her plan to save casey's life and Cindy didn't like the ground rules
*recent threats of charges by LE
*evidence in dumped docs that prove they lied (again) about something
*June 15th right around the corner

Anyone else have any ideas? Anyone else care? :biggrin:

[Stellagant]

I'm totally out of the loop on recent developments. Is there some speculation that Baez wants to raise reasonable doubt by suggesting that the parents did it? If George lied about when he last saw Calyee (per Leonard Pacilla), that plays right into that theory.

Baez hasn't come out and said it is a card he'll play but it seems to be the direction he's headed. Any lies told by others will help Casey's defense.

[MIwatcher]

Just wanted to say hi. Just found these boards this past week and I have to say, the best site I have found yet for info on this case. A lot of intelligent, informative people here and I really enjoy reading everyone's comments, ideas, etc. I live in Michigan, so we don't hear too much about this case, so I have to get it all from the message boards.

Quick question, since I don't have a much time as I'd like to follow this...I keep reading rumors that Lee's girlfriend is expecting. Where did this rumor start? Is there any confirmation that it is true?

Carolyn :smile:

[*MoonRider*]

Florida is a much more conservative state compared to Cook County, IL. (I lived there for 7 years)
The liberal theatrics of Andrea Lyon won't work well in Orange County imo.

[Imperfect4]

Perfect. Just like your screen nic. You are one of the posters who people rely on to know facts and details. I really enjoy your posts.

Why thank you. :blushing:

I'm a little nervous now about that "facts and details" thing ... :scared: