Phil Spector gets 19 years to life for murder of actress

[DeeN]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/29/spector.sentencing/index.html

[CHITCHAT]

Finally Justic is done...Couldnt happen to a more deserving guy...
He came from a family with mental issues..he should have, and could have gotten help years ago...

[Adalena935]

It is just. If society has any luck at all going for it'self, he'll die in prison and never walk free among reasonable people again. I liked the quote at the link from the judge disallowing him to be free on bail pending today's sentencing, citing what he rightly called his years-long pattern of violence with firearms. What an awful little man. (my opinion)

I so feel for her family and keep them in my prayers.

[RootBeer]

My only wish is that they would of found him guilty without having to use the PBA witnesses. It would of been a more interesting (and shorter) trial with without them. I would of like to see them prove it on the facts of this single episode, instead of him being judged on his past actions of 30 or so years.

But the law has spoken, and he will serve his time, unless he gets and wins an appeal.

[vonna]

My only wish is that they would of found him guilty without having to use the PBA witnesses. It would of been a more interesting (and shorter) trial with without them. I would of like to see them prove it on the facts of this single episode, instead of him being judged on his past actions of 30 or so years.

But the law has spoken, and he will serve his time, unless he gets and wins an appeal.

A pattern of behavior is important and that is why it is recognized in law. That's like asking AJ to win a foot race with one foot in a cast.

[Anakerie]

bet he wishes he would of gave up the guns or the booze, one or the other - jmho
I doubt if he wishes that at all... I think he is more likely wishing that his "regular" driver/body guard had been on duty that fateful morning rather than the honest man who called 911, Adriano De Souza.

[vonna]

I doubt if he wishes that at all... I think he is more likely wishing that his "regular" driver/body guard had been on duty that fateful morning rather than the honest man who called 911, Adriano De Souza.

I completely agree with you. Spector doesn't strike me as a person to even consider introspection.

[NotAgain]

I doubt if he wishes that at all... I think he is more likely wishing that his "regular" driver/body guard had been on duty that fateful morning rather than the honest man who called 911, Adriano De Souza.

i think you are right

[NotAgain]

why would he want transferred to a state facility so quickly?

[vonna]

why would he want transferred to a state facility so quickly?

I'd guess because he believes conditions are better in prison.

[kennedy06]

Hi guys, I guess we are all winding down from the day. Well we can see it through with the talk radio show. Apparently Sprocket will be on tonight and another guest, Linda.

http://www.talkradioone.com/

[Anakerie]

why would he want transferred to a state facility so quickly?
I wonder about that as well...

I just heard on my local news station (KCRA 3 in Sacramento) that one of Weinberg's comments about Phil in prison is that he is concerned that Phil is a "high profile" prisoner and needs special treatment in whatever facility he goes to.

My question is: How many guys in prison would even know who that little old man is when he climbs out of the van or bus?

My answer to my question: Not very many at all.. He's going to look like just a little old man with shaky hands... No more flashy suits, no more outrageous wigs, no more body guards, no more trial bride helping him walk. Wherever the system decides to put Phil once he gets through the intake process, his basic needs will be provided for. Special treatment? No, Doron, he won't be getting anything that any other prisoner wouldn't get. Your client is not special.

ETA: Harriet Ryan's article in the LA Times gives a reason for the "rush" to get out of jail and into a prison:
Spector's lawyer said his client was focused on his appeal and eager to get through with the sentencing so he could move to a prison facility nicer than the jail where he has been held since the conviction.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector30-2009may30,0,1540646.story

Ok, I'm giggling now... Phil thinks that prison is going to be "nicer" than the jail? :lol:

[kennedy06]

why would he want transferred to a state facility so quickly?

Sort of weird to think of PS on a prison bus. I wonder if he is there yet? I have a prison nearby but they are usually in these really nice white vans, but it is a federal prison so....

[True2Blues]

I wonder about that as well...

I just heard on my local news station (KCRA 3 in Sacramento) that one of Weinberg's comments about Phil in prison is that he is concerned that Phil is a "high profile" prisoner and needs special treatment in whatever facility he goes to.

My question is: How many guys in prison would even know who that little old man is when he climbs out of the van or bus?

My answer to my question: Not very many at all.. He's going to look like just a little old man with shaky hands... No more flashy suits, no more outrageous wigs, no more body guards, no more trial bride helping him walk. Wherever the system decides to put Phil once he gets through the intake process, his basic needs will be provided for. Special treatment? No, Doron, he won't be getting anything that any other prisoner wouldn't get. Your client is not special.

You're right, PS is just another murderer, but he thinks he's special and will be treated as special once he's settled in prison. I think DW has PS convinced that he'll have a private suit, and get waited on, be given special privileges, etc.

One of the first things they're probably going to do is have prison doctors examine him physically and mentally and some of those medicines will more than likely be taken away from him. After that, hopefully he will become aware of the time as it ticks away while he sits behind bars.

[vonna]

I have to wonder...If PS and his lawyers think there is a good appeal...Why did they have those checks ready to pay restitution?

That's a good question, NM. Good night.

[kennedy06]

Nicer, is there a new State prison in CA where he could be going??

[True2Blues]

I have to wonder...If PS and his lawyers think there is a good appeal...Why did they have those checks ready to pay restitution?

That was interesting, wasn't it?

[warhorse46]

My only wish is that they would of found him guilty without having to use the PBA witnesses. It would of been a more interesting (and shorter) trial with without them. I would of like to see them prove it on the facts of this single episode, instead of him being judged on his past actions of 30 or so years.

But the law has spoken, and he will serve his time, unless he gets and wins an appeal.


Why? PBAs are perfectly legal tools to show a pattern of behavior over a period of time & how said behavior escalated into the crime the defendant is on trial for. The PBAs were only one part of the entire case against PS, one part of the puzzle.

[sunstar]

I doubt if he wishes that at all... I think he is more likely wishing that his "regular" driver/body guard had been on duty that fateful morning rather than the honest man who called 911, Adriano De Souza.

I too am positive he has wished that since Day One. And thankfully, Adriano was there and is an honest man. :smile: MOO

[sunstar]

I have to wonder...If PS and his lawyers think there is a good appeal...Why did they have those checks ready to pay restitution?

Anticipating it would be the Judge's order and to make himself look good. MOO

[dref99]

Hi guys, I guess we are all winding down from the day. Well we can see it through with the talk radio show. Apparently Sprocket will be on tonight and another guest, Linda.

http://www.talkradioone.com/

Many thanks kennedy - should be on just about now

[True2Blues]

Anticipating it would be the Judge's order and to make himself look good. MOO

It didn't work! He still looked like the same murderer to me, just one aware that he owed restitution.:biggrin:

[Themis]

While Spector is expected to serve his time in a California state prison the link below from National Geographic on a prison in Georgia is interesting. At least it was to me; learned some new stuff.

There are several short videos available, some still pictures, and a close-up 360° view of a typical cell.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/hard-time/all/Overview15#tab-About

Let's all hope there is no way, no acceptable justification for defense attorneys to get Spector transferred to a 'nicer' federal prison in California or a prison in another state with 'nicer digs' -- such as one in New York where his daughter lives.

[JMO * Themis]

[dref99]

Many thanks kennedy - should be on just about now

Just to quote myself - Louis and Gary Spector are on talk radio also

http://www.talkradioone.com/

[Jayne]

why would he want transferred to a state facility so quickly?

to get him assessed as soon as possible, in the interim..which they have to do?

jmo

J

[Jayne]

Anticipating it would be the Judge's order and to make himself look good. MOO

yes..plus it has to be done..regardless..best to get it out of the way..nothing holding up the assessment and sending him to the appropriate facility?

[Jayne]

I believe that it is part of the proceedings for the "People" to put that forth - whether it can be paid or not. The Court also puts forth their various fines and fees at this time - as we saw Judge Fidler do.

It is either agreed to with payment forthcoming or transacted on the spot.

Jayne - where are you? Is this right?

CJ


yes...no more comment! :)

jmo

J

PS..you KNOW where I am!!!

[kennedy06]

Just to quote myself - Louis and Gary Spector are on talk radio also

http://www.talkradioone.com/

Thank you, I think everyone did a nice job on the talk show last night.

[aproudmom]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/29/spector.sentencing/index.html

:thumbsup:about time

[aproudmom]

I'd guess because he believes conditions are better in prison.

they are prisoners cant wait to get out of those county jails..bye bye PS:tonguewag:

[Steps]

I'm a new poster, but have been a lurker since Spector I. I want to congratulate Allan Jackson and the rest of the staff on his conviction. He was amazing to watch during the first trial. Thankfully Lana's family and friends can start to put these ugly criminal trials behind them and know that the horrible man that did this to Lana is now recieving his just punishment. Also thanks to Sprocket for all of her fine reporting. This lady is amazing!!

[vonna]

Thank you Kennedy for providing us this link. This was an exceptionally good show last night. We are able to hear from Lewis and Gary and I was able to get more of an insight just where they are coming from.
This whole incident, trials, verdicts, sentence and the personal life of Phil Spectors sons is an eye opener. They were able to take us into their lives while living with their father and a closer understanding why they feel the way they do about him today.
I hope they will get what they want From their father Phil Spector some day. Recognition. Whether it be negative or positive. This is what they want.Something I heard in their conversation was wanting to be able to sit sown on a one to one basis with their father and visit and talk without anyone interfering. No one to interpret to Spector what they mean when they say something or a motive. (is how I myself interpreted it) Also, to be alone with him and allow Phil Spector to think for himself and not have others think for him.
This was all so sad and I wouldn't want any of what I heard to happen to any child/Adult.
One thing that was said that I found interesting is when Lewis said there is two Spectors. Phillip Spector and "Harvey" Phillip Spector.

JMO

I don't like either one of them.

[kellabeck]

While Spector is expected to serve his time in a California state prison the link below from National Geographic on a prison in Georgia is interesting. At least it was to me; learned some new stuff.

There are several short videos available, some still pictures, and a close-up 360° view of a typical cell.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/hard-time/all/Overview15#tab-About

Let's all hope there is no way, no acceptable justification for defense attorneys to get Spector transferred to a 'nicer' federal prison in California or a prison in another state with 'nicer digs' -- such as one in New York where his daughter lives.

[JMO * Themis]

Since he was convicted in a California state court of a state crime, why on earth would he be transferred to a state prison of another state? That makes no sense to me at all.

Further -- of no sense is any notion of grounds for appeal of this conviction. Ineffective assistance of counsel? Laughable. Use of pattern and practice witnesses? Judge Fidler was on solid ground with them. So try as they might, I can't imagine what creative argument would gain a reversal and/or new trial with such an extensive record of not one, but two, trials done is scrupulous fashion.

IIRC, Fidler has a very low record of reversal. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[nsm]

is there a booking picture? Would love to see him without that stupid wig (wigs)...:laugh::laugh:

[dref99]

I don't like either one of them.

Sometimes we agree, sometimes not - but this time I would maybe say things differently but we agree.

I liked some of the radio show last night but was disappointed with the comments about poor sick old Phil. We really have no idea how real was his "frail" appearance through the trial. He has been able to afford the benefits of the best of medicine and medications throughout most of his life, so there is no real reason that he should have become so frail in just a few years. If he has, then I still do not see it as a reason to "forgive" his past actions - perhaps others see it differently.

I believe little of what Rachelle said - I do think she kept her side of the marriage bargain, but have difficulty believing her main life's goal will now be to have him set free. Consequently she seemed to receive unwarranted support on the show.

It was nice to hear from Gary & Louis but I find it unlikely that they will ever have a relationship again with Phil. I am amazed that they are still committed to him having been treated as they were. I'm sure I could not be so kind or forgiving.

Perhaps the interest in this trial is because the event of 2003 was so very pointless. It was a murder for which there was truly no reason or motive. It should never have happened. Common sense dictates it should have evolved into a confession and a plea deal & the man may even have emerged with some type of a reputation remaining. His decision to accuse Lana of commiting suicide and causing all his problems, was the mistake he made that nothing can now overcome.

jmo

[kennedy06]

Its funny you said that dreff a couple of older males I know, seen him on tv and said he doesn't look frail as much as he is just a small framed man sitting there. After I thought about it, well he probably looks his age and has started with the physical ailments that most men his age begin to suffer from, but he doesn't look 90 IMO. I just know without his wig he will look like a neighbor I use to speak to over the fence years and years ago. So I await the prison mugshot picture also! We have never really seen him compared to average men his age and size. His mind may be fairly sharp still. IMO

The Mrs. what do you say, she was 23 when she became involved with him. It takes a different kind of girl to become involved with a man that old. Maybe she has her own "issues" and really liked him, I don't know, but I still think she knows the score. After watching the bodyguards interview, I still laugh at the thought of her and the house full of dogs and the 2 giant iguanas, think of them getting loose, look out Alhambra:laugh:

I think PS wil eventually come around to his sons.

I couldn't help but also think of Mrs. Clarkson and how she must have felt last night.

JMO

[vonna]

LOL! vonna...you are a card! I love your wit!

I'm so glad you understood my post, NM. One of the posters thought I meant I didn't like Gary and Louis - while you recognized I was responding to Louis' comment that there were two Phil Spectors!!

[Anakerie]

Since he was convicted in a California state court of a state crime, why on earth would he be transferred to a state prison of another state? That makes no sense to me at all.

Further -- of no sense is any notion of grounds for appeal of this conviction. Ineffective assistance of counsel? Laughable. Use of pattern and practice witnesses? Judge Fidler was on solid ground with them. So try as they might, I can't imagine what creative argument would gain a reversal and/or new trial with such an extensive record of not one, but two, trials done is scrupulous fashion.

IIRC, Fidler has a very low record of reversal. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
I remember reading something about Fidler's record of reversals back during PS1..

[NotAgain]

I don't like either one of them.

vonna rocks!:thumbsup:

[vonna]

Good morning dref...
I have to agree with you about any compassion for Phil Spector.
I don't know what makes these kids/adults tick when it come to how they react when they are treated so poorly by their parent.(s)
I have seen time and time again how these children are told that their biological mother dumped them, they were on drugs, they tried to sell them, they put them up for adoption, they gave them to strangers and on and on. They still are looking for closure and the love they never received. They are always looking for the one who they call mom or dad. Those are the people I hold compassion for.
It's just amazing.
JMO

You hit the nail on the head, Dianna. The need to be loved by a parent is so basic that it overshadows the abuse or neglect doled out by the adult. One always hopes that some miracle will occur to open that fountain of love and recognition. But it just doesn't happen. That is why I feel such enormous sympathy for Gary and Louis.

[Anakerie]

I remember reading something about Fidler's record of reversals back during PS1..
Quoting myself so I can finish saying what I wanted to say before my computer glitched, the phone rang and my cat knocked my coffee cup off the counter and made a mess... **sigh**

I do remember reading something back during PS1 about Judge Fidler's low record of reversals. IIRC, his record was VERY low in comparison to other judges in the state. He has a reputation for following the law very closely, therefore appeals rarely are won for the cases he presides over.

[True2Blues]

You hit the nail on the head, Dianna. The need to be loved by a parent is so basic that it overshadows the abuse or neglect doled out by the adult. One always hopes that some miracle will occur to open that fountain of love and recognition. But it just doesn't happen. That is why I feel such enormous sympathy for Gary and Louis.

I feel for Gary and Louis too Vonna, for the same reasons. Striving for that missing relationship with a parent like PS can be so painful. What children don't realize, even when they become adults sometimes, is that the fault lays entirely with the abusive adult. Sometimes it just has to be accepted that it's never going to happen and more importantly, that it doesn't reflect on the child.

[Themis]

Since he was convicted in a California state court of a state crime, why on earth would he be transferred to a state prison of another state? That makes no sense to me at all.

Further -- of no sense is any notion of grounds for appeal of this conviction. Ineffective assistance of counsel? Laughable. Use of pattern and practice witnesses? Judge Fidler was on solid ground with them. So try as they might, I can't imagine what creative argument would gain a reversal and/or new trial with such an extensive record of not one, but two, trials done is scrupulous fashion.

IIRC, Fidler has a very low record of reversal. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Reference Post 44:

Your 2nd Paragraph: I will make no response since my post 28 said absolutely nothing about Spector's appeals.

Your 3rd Paragraph: I will make no response since my post 28 said absolutely nothing about Judge Fidler's reversal record.

With reference to your first sentence (bolded):

As I did state in Post 28: "Let's all hope there is no way, no acceptable justification for defense attorneys to get Spector transferred to a 'nicer' federal prison in California or a prison in another state with 'nicer digs' -- such as one in New York where his daughter lives."

Perhaps you are unaware of California's ongoing crisis with respect to prison overcrowding. Overcrowding has been a problem for years, reaching a critical point in 2007. The Governor invoked emergency powers to transfer several thousand prisoners out of state prisons. The state correctional officer's union took it to court, temporarily halting transfers.

1. May 21, 2007: "California will resume sending an estimated 8,000 prisoners to other states next month after an appeals court ruled that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger can do so while he challenges a prior ruling that halted the transfers. Schwarzenegger praised the decision by the Third District Appellate Court, which was filed late last week and announced Monday, saying it would let the state take a critical step toward reducing prison overcrowding."
California prisoners have already been sent to Arizona and Tennessee with more planned to be transferred to Mississippi and Oklahoma.

2. Oct 6, 2007: "Corrections officials said Friday that they have reached agreement with a private prison company to transfer another 3,600 inmates to an out-of-state facility." The contracts with Correctional Corp. of America run through 2011. The department says that will provide enough time for the state to build enough new prison and jail cells to hold 53,000 inmates under a $7.8 billion building plan approved by state lawmakers in April.

3. Jan 20, 2009: "Up to 7,000 sick California inmates must be transferred to prisons with access to better medical care, a court-appointed receiver said in a court filing Tuesday. Receiver Clark Kelso is in charge of improving inmate medical care but has become frustrated with the pace of reform. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and lawmakers have so far refused to provide the $8 billion he seeks to build new medical facilities. In the court documents, he (Clark Kelso) said physically and mentally ill inmates cannot get proper care..."

I watched Riordan's smirk while:

A. Weinberg was made (by Fidler) to include the motion for a new trial which Weinberg had so conveniently not filed. As soon as Fidler started talking I knew immediately the defense had hoped Fidler would not catch Weinberg's omission which could have become another appeal issue.

B. Weinberg's repeated request for immediate transfer "forthwith" from sheriff-controlled county jail to a state prison intake center and his repeated statements that Spector's medical records go with him. (1) They're hoping there is a slip-up somewhere along the line to use as an argument for Spector to get placed where it is most advantageous to him, and (2) to use in one of their appeals.

I am not so naive as to believe that Messrs Weinberg and Riordan will not use every legal maneuver possible to get their client placed in 'the best for him possible prison cell' in the country.

[JMO * Themis]

[Details]

Poor team spector page. His two fans keep waiting for pigs to fly outside their windows. Why do people ignore the obvious only to be let down once again?

How long will it take for the appeal to be swiftly rejected?

omoIt won't be.

Nothing is swift about appeals. It'll be rejected, I'm quite sure - but it won't be swift.

[vonna]

Snipped:
Sometimes it just has to be accepted that it's never going to happen and more importantly, that it doesn't reflect on the child.

This statement is so very accurate, True.

[NotAgain]

People...... you must read Sprocket's blog for yesterday. I am going to barf over the Baden story. Need to barf, read it



barf

[vonna]

NM - what a wonderful post! My feelings exactly! Many of you are worth keeping and looking at over and over... How aptly put :biggrin:

BTW - (Being the Jester, as I am) - that phrase means the "joker" card, for those "young 'uns" who don't know. Saying someone is a "card" means that the person is funny.

I was asked that in a PM a long time ago when I used that phrase. Just circumventing any confusion or questions from our "young 'uns" on this board.

CJ :biggrinjester:

Good to see your usual good spirits have returned, Jester.

[Themis]

Hi, Everyone!

Feeling a little more "Jesterish" today. I still cannot get the hang of quoting more than one post in a reply - so I'll just refer...

themis - your post of...(oh, heck, I forgot the #) - outlining various points of procedure/law - thank you. You put my "Bells" straight on some issues.

JMO - PS is a small man and may appear frailer than those around him. I'd say "just his age" - but I NO LONGER consider 69 as "Old". To "twist" a phrase from my youth:
CJ
<snipped with respect to respond>

Can I join your club, Jester? I do not know how to quote more than one post in the same reply either.
I have looked at the 'hints' thread and could not find step-by-step instructions.:laugh:

I was glad to know you found one of my posts useful. Did you, by the way, use the link in my post 28? I found parts of it fascinating. Reading about how prisoners in that Georgia prison make 'chocolate ice cream' and some kind of 'mexican dish' from items they can buy at the prison commissary. Then there was the guy who makes greeting cards (using dyes derived from colorful ads in magazines and deodorant) and trades them for stuff he wants. If only those prisoners used all that ingenuity and resourcefullness to improve their lives on the outside! I found that close up viewing (360° rotation) of a prison cell interesting as well.

Your last remark about Spector was right on the money. He is only 5' 1" and small framed. I think average sized men would look down at him and think of him as frail. Of course, I also believe his 'frail appearance' is more contrived than real -- he alone or by suggestion has, IMO, exaggerated that look from Day 1 on arraignment day. It has and will continue to serve his purpose.

Add in his new found need for a yarmulke, toss in an expected demand for a kosher diet and he is off and running.

[JMO * Themis]

[kennedy06]

Ok admit it one of you out there would probably like to own a wedding ring set bought by Phil himself! Right:sneaky:

Well nows your chance! His very beautiful 1st wifes wedding ring set, a gorgeous set at that, is up for auction on ebay!! Just look under Phil's name.

I'm broke this week personally:rolleyes:

Remember all sales are final on it!

Seriously though, I seen her on a documentary about PS, she came across as a very nice, likeable woman. :) The sales description does mention the music he wrote based on her and other details.

JMO

[Anakerie]

Here's another article about the sentencing yesterday;

Music icon Spector gets 19 years for murder (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5he_UWWUKBhYxkl7s3XQJ5zYhAGmw)

Down near the end of the article, the reporter asks Rachelle something and her answer is .. uhm.. odd...
Asked if Spector had ever been violent towards her, his wife Rachelle said "I don't want to comment."
Wha?? She "doesn't want to comment" about Phil being violent towards her???? Isn't that sort of like an admission that maybe she's been on the receiving end of some of Phil's anger towards women?

[Tracian]

Here's another article about the sentencing yesterday;

Music icon Spector gets 19 years for murder (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5he_UWWUKBhYxkl7s3XQJ5zYhAGmw)

Down near the end of the article, the reporter asks Rachelle something and her answer is .. uhm.. odd...
Asked if Spector had ever been violent towards her, his wife Rachelle said "I don't want to comment."
Wha?? She "doesn't want to comment" about Phil being violent towards her???? Isn't that sort of like an admission that maybe she's been on the receiving end of some of Phil's anger towards women?


Maybe she is worried about her future, and is getting ready to write a book to support herself.

[dref99]

.... snipped for reply

I watched Riordan's smirk while:

A. Weinberg was made (by Fidler) to include the motion for a new trial which Weinberg had so conveniently not filed. As soon as Fidler started talking I knew immediately the defense had hoped Fidler would not catch Weinberg's omission which could have become another appeal issue.

B. Weinberg's repeated request for immediate transfer "forthwith" from sheriff-controlled county jail to a state prison intake center and his repeated statements that Spector's medical records go with him. (1) They're hoping there is a slip-up somewhere along the line to use as an argument for Spector to get placed where it is most advantageous to him, and (2) to use in one of their appeals.

I am not so naive as to believe that Messrs Weinberg and Riordan will not use every legal maneuver possible to get their client placed in 'the best for him possible prison cell' in the country.

[JMO * Themis]

I didn't see Riordan's look - but so agree with your post. Judge Fidler approved the special jury instruction composed by Riordan in trial 1 - which caused grief during deliberations - and the Judge realised he had made an error. It was a rare event - and I am sure he determined there would be no repeat in trial 2. Nothing like having the judge ensure the defense do it all correctly.

I have memory of a discussion on the Judge's record in trial 1 and I thought it was said that he had never had a reversal on appeal - but I could be wrong. The only thing the defense has mentioned todate for Phil's appeal is allowing the prior bad acts.

jmo

[kennedy06]

Maybe she is worried about her future, and is getting ready to write a book to support herself.

Thank you for the link, why would she not want to comment about that..all the arguing over the past PBA's by the defense and she won't comment on something so fundamental?????

How interesting the first wife is dumping her wedding ring set now, and the last one won't comment after being asked a question about his possibly being violent towards her....I'm shocked I would think she would be screaming not my husband, never.

JMO

[True2Blues]

Ok admit it one of you out there would probably like to own a wedding ring set bought by Phil himself! Right:sneaky:

Well nows your chance! His very beautiful 1st wifes wedding ring set, a gorgeous set at that, is up for auction on ebay!! Just look under Phil's name.

I'm broke this week personally:rolleyes:

Remember all sales are final on it!

Seriously though, I seen her on a documentary about PS, she came across as a very nice, likeable woman. :) The sales description does mention the music he wrote based on her and other details.

JMO


Gee, I can't think of anything I'd rather not have than something associated in any way with PS. That said, if it really is his first wife selling it and she needs the money, I hope she gets what she wants. The diamonds can be washed and the set melted down. LOL

[True2Blues]

Maybe she is worried about her future, and is getting ready to write a book to support herself.

Probably. I still think she believes that she's going to be the toast of the talk show circuit and become a "Star" in the process.

Personally, I'd rather watch mold grow than her, but that's just me!:laugh:

[Tracian]

Thank you for the link, why would she not want to comment about that..all the arguing over the past PBA's by the defense and she won't comment on something so fundamental?????

JMO


I didn't offer a link, because it was my personal speculation.

IMO, if she is planning on cashing in on this case, she is not going to give information for 'free' she is going to wait until it benefits her.

Otherwise, again IMO, she would have been very willing to attempt to dispel any thought that Phil was violent.

[kennedy06]

Gee, I can't think of anything I'd rather not have than something associated in any way with PS. That said, if it really is his first wife selling it and she needs the money, I hope she gets what she wants. The diamonds can be washed and the set melted down. LOL

I agree with you I hope she makes some major money off of them, she probably deserves it. They are Buy now for $60,000 but the biding is starting much lower than that.

JMO

[dref99]

.... snipped to reply

Can I join your club, Jester? I do not know how to quote more than one post in the same reply either.
I have looked at the 'hints' thread and could not find step-by-step instructions.:laugh:

[JMO * Themis]

1. Open the thread (or any thread) in a separate window - if you use IE this can be done via file/new/window

2. In the original window, quote as usual & reply to first post

3. In second window, quote the next post you wish to reply to (as if replying). Copy the result (exactly - don't miss any brackets - you can use Ctrl A to select all before the copy) and paste at the bottom of your reply on the original window

4. Answer the 2nd quote on the original window

5. Repeat if required for other quotes - use the back option on the 2nd window to return to the posts without submitting a reply. You can then use this 2nd window to find and copy other quotes to the original window.

6 Preview the post to make sure the quotes have all been set up correctly

There may be simpler methods - this is what I do - hope I explained it OK

[kennedy06]

I didn't offer a link, because it was my personal speculation.

IMO, if she is planning on cashing in on this case, she is not going to give information for 'free' she is going to wait until it benefits her.

Otherwise, again IMO, she would have been very willing to attempt to dispel any thought that Phil was violent.

I apologize, I clicked the link Anakerie had provided for the article, in the post you had quoted! sorry:blushing:

[Tracian]

I apologize, I clicked the link Anakerie had provided for the article, in the post you had quoted! sorry:blushing:


No problem, I thought you were mad at me, and it made me sad.:crying:

[Themis]

Hello, Themis!

1) I have not accessed to link you gave on Georgia prisons - but I will.

2) Frail, exaggerated? Maybe. He looks the way he is. The Defense did not change his face - they may have asked him to "stop the meds" that helped his shaking. My Dad has shaking - it is not contrived nor exaggerated. PS most likely has had this progressive health situation for awhile. I DO say this from my experience with my Dad. No - the "shaking" is most likely NOT contrived. Plus, PS has never been "robust" in his life. MOO - the Defense did not need to "contrive" any frailty.

3) As for the "newfound" religion - please look back on my post which talks about this very subject. (Sorry - I don't have post number - I will go back and give it to you - but, if I go back now - I'll lose this response).

More, later, My Friend
CJ
First, Court Jester, thank you for taking the time and trouble to find and repost your 'thoughts on religion' in Post 70. Actually, I remember reading it when you first posted it originally. I agree with it and your additional words.

Responding to your 2) I don't disagree with your words up above about trembling hands. And I understand what you mean with regard to your Father's situation. However, I will say watching PS closely throughout Trial #1 made me suspicious since the hand trembling varied from non-existent to almost violent. Remember that rock steady hand being used as an imaginery gun at the request of Plourd?

Sure, I agree that Phil's small stature is something he was born with, but following the advice of a good tailor would have helped. I'll drop this; it's not germane and needless at this point for PS. And since I didn't mention his face, I'll pass it by.

Let me take this opportunity to retract my use of 'contrived' and stick with exaggerated.

Let's me just end with Phil is, at the very least, an eccentric for whatever reasons and he, IMO, relishes it.
Years ago I knew a woman just like that.:biggrin:
[JMO * Themis]

[Anakerie]

Probably. I still think she believes that she's going to be the toast of the talk show circuit and become a "Star" in the process.

Personally, I'd rather watch mold grow than her, but that's just me!:laugh:
:biggrin: It's not just you...

Anyone that can sit in front of a TV camera and proclaim that her husband's obvious wigs are "his own hair" that she styles for him everyday is not one who would say anything I would be interested in... lol

[kennedy06]

So he is selling the castle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6395874.ece

I hope she give back to his children anything that may belong to them. I remember watching a utube interview with Julian L. and how he told how he had to buy back cards or somethings he had sent to his Dad in an auction.

JMO

[Tracian]

:biggrin: It's not just you...

Anyone that can sit in front of a TV camera and proclaim that her husband's obvious wigs are "his own hair" that she styles for him everyday is not one who would say anything I would be interested in... lol

Well, it is his 'own hair' he bought it so he 'owns' it...and I do believe she styles it for him, she just plops it on a dummy head and does her styling then plops it on the living dummy's head.

Isn't it romantic?

:lol:

[Anakerie]

So he is selling the castle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6395874.ece

I hope she give back to his children anything that may belong to them. I remember watching a utube interview with Julian L. and how he told how he had to buy back cards or somethings he had sent to his Dad in an auction.

JMO
Somehow I doubt if Phil has hung on to anything that belonged to his children... He seems to be a bit too self-centered to be sentimental over things belonging to children that he would rather ignore.

One paragraph in the article in that link made me laugh.. FGS, some of these reporters can really get things wrong:Spector staggered out of the house into the driveway with a second gun in his hand and told his chauffeur, who was parked outside: “I think I killed somebody.” Later that day he told police, who had shot him twice with a Taser gun before bundling him to the ground: “Nobody takes a gun from me.”
Uhm... What "second gun"????

Oh yeah.. Be sure to read the 1st comment below the article.. :rolleyes:

[True2Blues]

So he is selling the castle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6395874.ece

I hope she give back to his children anything that may belong to them. I remember watching a utube interview with Julian L. and how he told how he had to buy back cards or somethings he had sent to his Dad in an auction.

JMO

Fat chance of RS doing anything for the children of PS! In this economy, and in it's state of disrepair, the castle may not raise a lot of money. Which serves PS right. I can't imagine anyone wanting to memorialize the area of the property where Chelle humped his leg for the cameras. (Blech!)

[vonna]

Somehow I doubt if Phil has hung on to anything that belonged to his children... He seems to be a bit too self-centered to be sentimental over things belonging to children that he would rather ignore.

One paragraph in the article in that link made me laugh.. FGS, some of these reporters can really get things wrong:Spector staggered out of the house into the driveway with a second gun in his hand and told his chauffeur, who was parked outside: “I think I killed somebody.” Later that day he told police, who had shot him twice with a Taser gun before bundling him to the ground: “Nobody takes a gun from me.”
Uhm... What "second gun"????

Oh yeah.. Be sure to read the 1st comment below the article.. :rolleyes:

I did read the comment and I made a comment of my own. Is that person just uninformed or stupid? He/she didn't know to whom the gun belonged!!

[True2Blues]

I did read the comment and I made a comment of my own. Is that person just uninformed or stupid? He/she didn't know to whom the gun belonged!!

At this point, I'd say it's willful ignorance. Guilty of the gun enhancement should be a little clue!

[kellabeck]

So he is selling the castle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6395874.ece

I hope she give back to his children anything that may belong to them. I remember watching a utube interview with Julian L. and how he told how he had to buy back cards or somethings he had sent to his Dad in an auction.

That article references Spector's earliest lies:
"Spector maintained that she was out of control, dancing around his house singing his 1960s hit You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feelin’ before producing an unregistered Colt Cobra handgun, waving it around and then suddenly pressing it to her head and pulling the trigger."

Lana shot herself with her own gun. Only thing missing was how she stole a bottle of tequila from the House of Blues bar.

I can't believe they are just repeating that carp.

[Themis]

I didn't see Riordan's look - but so agree with your post. Judge Fidler approved the special jury instruction composed by Riordan in trial 1 - which caused grief during deliberations - and the Judge realised he had made an error. It was a rare event - and I am sure he determined there would be no repeat in trial 2. Nothing like having the judge ensure the defense do it all correctly.

I have memory of a discussion on the Judge's record in trial 1 and I thought it was said that he had never had a reversal on appeal - but I could be wrong. The only thing the defense has mentioned todate for Phil's appeal is allowing the prior bad acts.

jmo
It was fleeting, to be sure, but a definite smirk with the left side of his mouth.

Yes, to date only bad acts for an appeal. I don't think it will fly and I agree with your memory of Fidler's record of being reversed on appeal. Speaking of which, I misused the word appeal in an earlier post. What I meant to refer to was new legal action should Spector not receive any treatment within the prison system for which he is eligible. IMO, a goal now is for Spector to be assigned the 'very best digs' possible within or out of California. He and his defense team knows he will spend years in prison, but there are many facilities and different levels. [JMO * Themis]

[Themis]

1. Open the thread (or any thread) in a separate window - if you use IE this can be done via file/new/window

2. In the original window, quote as usual & reply to first post

3. In second window, quote the next post you wish to reply to (as if replying). Copy the result (exactly - don't miss any brackets - you can use Ctrl A to select all before the copy) and paste at the bottom of your reply on the original window

4. Answer the 2nd quote on the original window

5. Repeat if required for other quotes - use the back option on the 2nd window to return to the posts without submitting a reply. You can then use this 2nd window to find and copy other quotes to the original window.

6 Preview the post to make sure the quotes have all been set up correctly

There may be simpler methods - this is what I do - hope I explained it OK
Thank you ... thank you so much, Dref99!
I am printing this out for future use.
I really appreciate the time you spent providing these clear instructions.
Themis

Court Jester ... look at what Dref99 has done! :thumbsup:

[vonna]

It was fleeting, to be sure, but a definite smirk with the left side of his mouth.

Yes, to date only bad acts for an appeal. I don't think it will fly and I agree with your memory of Fidler's record of being reversed on appeal. Speaking of which, I misused the word appeal in an earlier post. What I meant to refer to was new legal action should Spector not receive any treatment within the prison system for which he is eligible. IMO, a goal now is for Spector to be assigned the 'very best digs' possible within or out of California. He and his defense team knows he will spend years in prison, but there are many facilities and different levels. [JMO * Themis]

I have it on very good authority that the worst Spector will suffer is the loss of freedom; that his money will enable himto have most of the amenities he presently enjoys - excluding the companionship of his wife who is uncertain as to whether she suffered violence at his hands.

[sunstar]

I remember reading something about Fidler's record of reversals back during PS1..

I remember that too and it is very low. I really doubt PS will succeed in his appeal. MOO

[NotAgain]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10575625


Spector has no shortage of money for an appeal. If it fails, the 69-year-old will not be released until he is 88. But then Lana Clarkson did not even make half that age.

[vonna]

THE ISSUE OF BAIL PENDING APPEAL IS ADDRESSED BY CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE SECTION 1272, WHICH READS:

“Release on bail pending appeal under subdivision (3) of Section 1272 shall be ordered by the court if the defendant demonstrates all the following:

(a) By clear and convincing evidence, the defendant is not likely to flee. Under this subdivision the court shall consider the following criteria:


(1) The ties of the defendant to the community, including his or her employment, the duration of his or her residence, the defendant's family attachments and his or her property holdings.


(2) The defendant's record of appearance at past court hearings or of flight to avoid prosecution.


(3) The severity of the sentence the defendant faces.


(b) By clear and convincing evidence, the defendant does not pose a danger to the safety of any other person or to the community.

Under this subdivision the court shall consider, among other factors, whether the crime for which the defendant was convicted is a violent felony, as defined in subdivision (c) of Section 667.5.


(c) The appeal is not for the purpose of delay and, based upon the record in the case, raises a substantial legal question which, if decided in favor of the defendant, is likely to result in reversal.

For purposes of this subdivision, a “substantial legal question” means a close question, one of more substance than would be necessary to a finding that it was not frivolous. In assessing whether a substantial legal question has been raised on appeal by the defendant, the court shall not be required to determine whether it committed error.

In making its decision on whether to grant defendants' motions for bail under subdivision (3) of Section 1272, the court shall include a brief statement of reasons in support of an order granting or denying a motion for bail on appeal. The statement need only include the basis for the order with sufficient specificity to permit meaningful review.”

IT IS THE COURT OF APPEAL’S EVALUATION OF THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SUBDIVISION (3) (C) (THE APPEAL ….BASED UPON THE RECORD IN THE CASE, RAISES A SUBSTANTIAL LEGAL QUESTION WHICH, IF DECIDED IN FAVOR OF THE DEFENDANT, IS LIKELY TO RESULT IN REVERSAL.”) THAT IS LIKELY TO BE ENHANCED IF SPECTOR WAITS UNTIL THE RECORD ON APPEAL AND THE AOB IS FILED BEFORE HE MAKES THAT MOTION.

NOTE THE HIGH BURDEN OF PROOF (CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE) BORN BY THE DEFENDANT ON ALL OF THE PREREQUISITE ISSUES NECESSARY TO GRANT BAIL PENDING APPEAL.

[kellygreen]

According to an article from the UK's Sunday Express, the convict has been blogging from his LA jail cell. Yep, he's had his laptop and Iphone since he was booked into the jail. Other tidbits from the article indicate he's befriended a cockroach (how appropriate) and his hero is Henry VIII. Who knew convicts could twitter from jail?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/104405/Phil-Spector-s-bizarre-blog-entrys-

Perhaps the thing that concerns me most doesn't just refer to Phil but to all convicts: by 2011 all 2.5 million US prisoners will have access to email and all convicts will be able to blog from prison.

CAN ANY OF THIS BE TRUE??

[Anakerie]

According to an article from the UK's Sunday Express, the convict has been blogging from his LA jail cell. Yep, he's had his laptop and Iphone since he was booked into the jail. Other tidbits from the article indicate he's befriended a cockroach (how appropriate) and his hero is Henry VIII. Who knew convicts could twitter from jail?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/104405/Phil-Spector-s-bizarre-blog-entrys-

Perhaps the thing that concerns me most doesn't just refer to Phil but to all convicts: by 2011 all 2.5 million US prisoners will have access to email and all convicts will be able to blog from prison.

CAN ANY OF THIS BE TRUE??

I seriously doubt if it's true.. If it were true, I'm sure the US media would have picked up on it... I mean for crying out loud, even Paris Hilton wasn't able to blog and play with a laptop while she was in jail... And, I think she's a bit more well known by the public than Phil.. lol

[Themis]

According to an article from the UK's Sunday Express, the convict has been blogging from his LA jail cell. Yep, he's had his laptop and Iphone since he was booked into the jail. Other tidbits from the article indicate he's befriended a cockroach (how appropriate) and his hero is Henry VIII. Who knew convicts could twitter from jail?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/104405/Phil-Spector-s-bizarre-blog-entrys-

Perhaps the thing that concerns me most doesn't just refer to Phil but to all convicts: by 2011 all 2.5 million US prisoners will have access to email and all convicts will be able to blog from prison.

CAN ANY OF THIS BE TRUE??
Here's my immediate response without doing a lot of searching on Google.

1. I am unfamiliar with the type of paper the "Daily Express" is. I know they have papers much like our Enquirer. Take that for what it is worth.

2. I rather doubt that if PS is in a L.A. County Jail such is the case.

3. On the other hand, there are some incorporated city jails within L.A. County. They have their own jails and hold certain types of inmates. A quick Google did uncover the linked article from 2008 about certain city jails:

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/(S(an0ggb45nu5jji4511ju2545))/displayNews.aspx?newsid=141&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

4. The Sunday Express reporter may have been taken in by a scam. There are some people close to Spector who may be 'working' on his behalf.

5. Lastly, and most important, is that the reporter Mike Parker does not know that America's Federal prison system is totally different than each state's prison system. Proof of Mr. Parker's ignorance are these words from his article.

"However, he (Spector) will be able to carry on blogging. America’s Federal Bureau of Prisons announced earlier this year that its estimated 2,450,000 inmates will all have access to email by 2011."

I'll sit back and wait for our investigative news reporters check out this story. It may be true. It may be a mixture of facts and errors.

[JMO * Themis]

[barskin&co.]

Do prison inmates have access to the internet? (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081022084520AAc1wtG)

California prisons could get tougher on cellphones (http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0506/p02s10-usju.html)

[True2Blues]

According to an article from the UK's Sunday Express, the convict has been blogging from his LA jail cell. Yep, he's had his laptop and Iphone since he was booked into the jail. Other tidbits from the article indicate he's befriended a cockroach (how appropriate) and his hero is Henry VIII. Who knew convicts could twitter from jail?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/104405/Phil-Spector-s-bizarre-blog-entrys-

Perhaps the thing that concerns me most doesn't just refer to Phil but to all convicts: by 2011 all 2.5 million US prisoners will have access to email and all convicts will be able to blog from prison.

CAN ANY OF THIS BE TRUE??

Terrifying, but things do seem to be moving in that direction. Apparently, the prison system cannot see any problems developing when inmates are allowed to access the innocent public via the internet. Makes you feel secure, knowing that soon child rapists will be on line with children, rapists with innocent women, murderers with unsuspecting citizens, doesn't it?

[True2Blues]

I seriously doubt if it's true.. If it were true, I'm sure the US media would have picked up on it... I mean for crying out loud, even Paris Hilton wasn't able to blog and play with a laptop while she was in jail... And, I think she's a bit more well known by the public than Phil.. lol

I've been reading for a couple of years that some prisons are allowing certain prisoners to have email addresses. It's one step away from internet access, and there are actually some who think it would be a 'healthy' thing for inmates, if you can believe that.

[True2Blues]

Do prison inmates have access to the internet? (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081022084520AAc1wtG)

California prisons could get tougher on cellphones (http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0506/p02s10-usju.html)

Gotta love that title, "Get Tougher on Cell Phones". They're not supposed to have the blasted things, maybe if they'd been tough to begin with, the problem wouldn't be what it is now.

They use radios inside the prison, right? They should block cell phone use in the prison area. It can be done. Anyone needing to call out can use a land line.

[True2Blues]

T2B - don't get "terrified" just yet. Things are not "moving in that direction". In fact, if you avail the links above you will see that our Correction System is most decidedly "moving away" from that possibility.

CJ

It depends on what you read, I've seen articles both ways. I'm more enraged than terrified about it. There are people pushing both ways, it just depends on who pushes hardest in the end I suppose. Personally I think inmates get too much as it is.

[True2Blues]

1) Which prisons? Please name them.
2) What does "certain" prisoners mean? DUI prisoners? Non-Violent incarcerations? Please define "certain".
3) Who are the "some" that believe this is "healthy"? Please define that statement.

Your post is inflamatory with no facts to back up your statements.

1)As I said, I can't remember which prisons were named in the articles. I've been reading about this for a few years now.

2)I'm not sure which specific prisoners, though I'm sure they were the less violent, as you mentioned. I don't care what they were put in there for, there should be no internet access. It isn't a country club it's a penal facility. Anyone who wants all of the amenities of home should abide by the law so they can stay there.

If you don't like my posts, don't read them. Of the 'articles' you mentioned, one states that there are cell phones in prison, even though there shouldn't be, and the other is Yahoo answers, which is one person's opinion, just like mine. Don't start telling me how to post again, it's not your job and I have no intention of abiding by your personal rules.

[kennedy06]

I have no idea if the story about him a blogging could be true or not, but I did find this article about a man in CA and laptops and cellphones are mentioned. Of course the crime is competely different from the crime PS was convicted of. I read the 2nd page of the article, I had no idea such a thing existed in so many places in the LA area. JMO

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/02/local/me-jaramillo2

[Exiled.]

Regarding inmates and the internet:

I recall a few years back that Charles Manson was running some kind of business scam from his San Quentin cell, via the internet. I think they took his computer away when he was caught ripping people off.

[True2Blues]

Regarding inmates and the internet:

I recall a few years back that Charles Manson was running some kind of business scam from his San Quentin cell, via the internet. I think they took his computer away when he was caught ripping people off.

Now there's a man you really want to do business with...Not!

[Exiled.]

1) Which prisons? Please name them.
2) What does "certain" prisoners mean? DUI prisoners? Non-Violent incarcerations? Please define "certain".
3) Who are the "some" that believe this is "healthy"? Please define that statement.

Your post is inflamatory with no facts to back up your statements.


Don't get your "bells" in a wad. I found nothing inflamatory with the post you refer to, and appreciate the poster sharing their knowledge with the board.

imo...of course.

[True2Blues]

I have no idea if the story about him a blogging could be true or not, but I did find this article about a man in CA and laptops and cellphones are mentioned. Of course the crime is competely different from the crime PS was convicted of. I read the 2nd page of the article, I had no idea such a thing existed in so many places in the LA area. JMO

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/02/local/me-jaramillo2

Boggles the mind doesn't it?

[oodi]

Regarding inmates and the internet:

I recall a few years back that Charles Manson was running some kind of business scam from his San Quentin cell, via the internet. I think they took his computer away when he was caught ripping people off.

Manson has been in Corcoran since 1989... was it at Corcoran rather than San Quentin?

[oodi]

I think it's true. :huh:

Federal inmates have access to email

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405124,00.html

And I think it's being allowed in some state and local prisons as well.

If all incoming and outgoing correspondence is still reviewed by prison guards, I guess the benefit is that the guards don't have to worry about trying to decipher bad handwriting while trying to determine if there are any coded messages within the correspondence.

[kennedy06]

I think it's true. :huh:

Federal inmates have access to email

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405124,00.html

And I think it's being allowed in some state and local prisons as well.

Wow, thank you and to the others for their links.

So if the UK article is true about his blogging, I wonder who gave him up? I would think he would only be contacting a few. Surely we didn't miss him on the world wide web? I wonder if he stopped by here:blink:

[Exiled.]

Manson has been in Corcoran since 1989... was it at Corcoran rather than San Quentin?


I think that was the reason he was moved to Corcoran.

[Themis]

I think it's true. :huh:

Federal inmates have access to email

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405124,00.html

And I think it's being allowed in some state and local prisons as well.
Desiree, your linked article refers to federal prisons operated by the The Federal Bureau of Prisons.

Spector has been prosecuted by the State of California and
at this time is being sent to one of California's state prisons under the jurisdiction of, and operated by, the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilition.

Please note that there is a difference between a federal prison and a state prison.

Also, there is a difference between a county jail and a state prison.

[vonna]

I've been reading for a couple of years that some prisons are allowing certain prisoners to have email addresses. It's one step away from internet access, and there are actually some who think it would be a 'healthy' thing for inmates, if you can believe that.

It would be a heck of a lot healthier for the inmate than it would be for the public.

[Anakerie]

I think that was the reason he was moved to Corcoran.
Uhm.. I really don't think that computers, emails and internet access had anything to do with Charlie Manson being transferred from San Quentin to Corcoran.

[warhorse46]

I would think there would be absolutely no way a convict/inmate would have access to Internet.

However, I did hear they have provided access in the federal prisons.

These convicted killers in State prison would have a "hay day" if they were given the opportunity to use the Internet. At least there wouldn't be the amount of fights and killings inside the prisons as they have now with all the gangs. They wouldn't need to put them in the "hole" for 6 month to a year. All they would have to do is threaten them with taking their Internet privileges away.:rolleyes: Just sayin.
JMO

Inmates do have internet acces but only through a third party. The inmate writes the third party letters & they post them to the net.

http://www.prisoninmates.com/


http://www.prisoninmates.com/links.htm


http://www.dmoz.org/Society/People/Pen_Pals/Prisoners_and_Inmates/

[warhorse46]

I don't really consider that internet access though. Like Scott Peterson tells his mommy and daddy how inncent he is and they post it on their blog which is hardly read by anyone.

omo

:laugh:


You are right, it is indirect.

[True2Blues]

It would be a heck of a lot healthier for the inmate than it would be for the public.

Amen to that.

[NotAgain]

I read her blog and I'm willing to be Phil is not communicating with her. Aliens are. Did you know the Boulder Police Dept. are involved in setting Phil up?

I'll PM you the link.

:laugh:


PM me also... please. :unsure::unsure:

[NotAgain]

I find it disturbing that these monsters have any access to the outside world. I think access s/b ;limited to spouse, parents & children. Legal counsel too.... but that is it. Siblings too... :glare:

[hiitsme]

I find it disturbing that these monsters have any access to the outside world. I think access s/b ;limited to spouse, parents & children. Legal counsel too.... but that is it. Siblings too... :glare:

Still laughing about the "breaking news" post. Honestly, I cried with laughter. I think you scared them away. Having said that, I totally agree that giving these murderers private access to the outside world is insane.

[vonna]

[QUOTE=hiitsme;13157020]Still laughing about the "breaking news" post. Honestly, I cried with laughter. I think you scared them away. Having said that, I totally agree that giving these murderers private access to the outside world is insane.[/QUOTE

I wonder how long it will take for Spector's new mug shot to be released?

[True2Blues]

[QUOTE=vonna;13157131]

Good afternoon Ms. Vonna...
A new mug shot. Where have I been. Now what, Spector is requesting another mug shot because he's not happy with the one they originally took?
What, is he now requesting he wear his wig for that shot?:laugh:
Where is this breaking news post, anyway.

Hi Dianna, they'll be taking a nice new mugshot of him when he arrives at the prison, for his records there. It will be without his wig and you can bet it'll be all over the internet.

No matter what he does to cover his head from now on, we'll all know what he really looks like.

[vonna]

Hi Dianna, they'll be taking a nice new mugshot of him when he arrives at the prison, for his records there. It will be without his wig and you can bet it'll be all over the internet.

No matter what he does to cover his head from now on, we'll all know what he really looks like.

That will be the 'shot' seen around the world!

[True2Blues]

That will be the 'shot' seen around the world!

:laugh: Followed by gales of laughter, I imagine. Couldn't happen to a more deserving murderer.

[Anakerie]

Hi Dianna, they'll be taking a nice new mugshot of him when he arrives at the prison, for his records there. It will be without his wig and you can bet it'll be all over the internet.

No matter what he does to cover his head from now on, we'll all know what he really looks like.

Yep... Standard procedure for a convict. One of the first things done when a convicted man gets transferred from the jail to the prison system is a brand new mug shot. They get new ones done periodically too.. The convicts age, get scarred, tatooed and what not, so they get new "portraits"...

Who do you think will get Phil's new mug shot first? TMZ? RadarOnline? The Smoking Gun? hehe.. I'm watching all 3!

[True2Blues]

Yep... Standard procedure for a convict. One of the first things done when a convicted man gets transferred from the jail to the prison system is a brand new mug shot. They get new ones done periodically too.. The convicts age, get scarred, tatooed and what not, so they get new "portraits"...

Who do you think will get Phil's new mug shot first? TMZ? RadarOnline? The Smoking Gun? hehe.. I'm watching all 3!

I don't know, but I'm sure there's a line to get a copy for publishing.

You know the really pathetic part? Having that picture show up all over the place and getting convicted, will be the only regrets that mean little man will have about Lana's murder.

[tartangirl]

Evening All,

For those who think there is anything available that we have not already read about PS...actually you are right~

Not a bad read. :wink:


~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ Finally ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana



http://popmusic.suite101.com/article.cfm/phil_spector_the_rise_fall_of_a_pop_maestro

[vonna]

I don't know, but I'm sure there's a line to get a copy for publishing.

You know the really pathetic part? Having that picture show up all over the place and getting convicted, will be the only regrets that mean little man will have about Lana's murder.

You are so right, True - and it really is terribly sad! Lana has done this to HIM!

[barskin&co.]

Hi Dianna, they'll be taking a nice new mugshot of him when he arrives at the prison, for his records there. It will be without his wig and you can bet it'll be all over the internet.

No matter what he does to cover his head from now on, we'll all know what he really looks like.

Hi, everybody. I just wanted to correct the quoting errors. Remember, if you see the wrong person ascribed to a quote when you post a message, you will see the correct person's name above it in brackets,

as in [Quote=MissQuote;1315701.........

Go back and edit your post. You will see there are two of those names in quote brackets. Delete the mistaken name, then hit save.

[vonna]

I have been thinking how differently I would feel had Phil Spector taken responsibility for accidentally killing Lana - as I do not believe that was his intention. He was doing what he had done numerous times in the past but something different resulted in Lana's death. I would have felt sorry for him. The animosity I feel is the result of his "adding insult to injury." By using his vast fortune to escape justice these many years he has earned my antipathy. By blaming the victim he has earned my contempt which is why there is not one iota of sympathy for whatever happens to him from this point forward. He took the coward's way out but all it bought him was delay of the inevitable. He is as a person who steals defeat from the jaws of victory by his poor choices.

[tartangirl]

I have been thinking how differently I would feel had Phil Spector taken responsibility for accidentally killing Lana - as I do not believe that was his intention. He was doing what he had done numerous times in the past but something different resulted in Lana's death. I would have felt sorry for him. The animosity I feel is the result of his "adding insult to injury." By using his vast fortune to escape justice these many years he has earned my antipathy. By blaming the victim he has earned my contempt which is why there is not one iota of sympathy for whatever happens to him from this point forward. He took the coward's way out but all it bought him was delay of the inevitable. He is as a person who steals defeat from the jaws of victory by his poor choices.

These good words deserve to be repeated. As always, good work my friend~ :wink:

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[Anakerie]

I have been thinking how differently I would feel had Phil Spector taken responsibility for accidentally killing Lana - as I do not believe that was his intention. He was doing what he had done numerous times in the past but something different resulted in Lana's death. I would have felt sorry for him. The animosity I feel is the result of his "adding insult to injury." By using his vast fortune to escape justice these many years he has earned my antipathy. By blaming the victim he has earned my contempt which is why there is not one iota of sympathy for whatever happens to him from this point forward. He took the coward's way out but all it bought him was delay of the inevitable. He is as a person who steals defeat from the jaws of victory by his poor choices.
Vonna, thank you for voicing a lot of what I feel as well... Excellent post..

[nsm]

does anyone know if CTV will show the sentencing on monday AM?

[barskin&co.]

I have been thinking how differently I would feel had Phil Spector taken responsibility for accidentally killing Lana - as I do not believe that was his intention. He was doing what he had done numerous times in the past but something different resulted in Lana's death. I would have felt sorry for him. The animosity I feel is the result of his "adding insult to injury." By using his vast fortune to escape justice these many years he has earned my antipathy. By blaming the victim he has earned my contempt which is why there is not one iota of sympathy for whatever happens to him from this point forward. He took the coward's way out but all it bought him was delay of the inevitable. He is as a person who steals defeat from the jaws of victory by his poor choices.

I couldn't agree more. On that morning, in his first few statements he made admitted his action. "I think I just killed someone." "I didn't meant to shoot her. It was an accident." It was after he realized they weren't just going to let him go to sleep (remember, he kept asking the police do do that- imagine being able to sleep), when he realized he was in trouble, then he started with the threats ("The Chief of Police worked for me!") and the (in the words of The Smoking Gun) "Piece of S#!t defense:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0320071spector1.html

From then on, he never looked back. Slur the name of the victim, diasvow any responsibility, delay, delay, delay and go about your merry way was his plan of action for the next six years.

You have it absolutely right. It was his actions after he killed Lana that were even more reprehensible than the murder.

[vonna]

I still don't know of but a few songs he produced. It matters no more to me now than it did then. Those songs remind me of a simpler time when I was carefree and young. I won't let those times be taken away by the likes of Phil Spector!

You're so right. It's no different than being able to enjoy the performances of actors while disagreeing with their personal views or life's choices.

[barskin&co.]

You're so right. It's no different than being able to enjoy the performances of actors while disagreeing with their personal views or life's choices.

I am Jewish, and I love the music of Wagner. You have to separate the artist from the art, otherwise you'd have to eliminate all sorts of enjoyment from your life.

[kennedy06]

You're so right. It's no different than being able to enjoy the performances of actors while disagreeing with their personal views or life's choices.

I find I can't sometimes. I do try to make exceptions, PS music is one of them but I can't associate him with it somedays, just the segment in time, the Happy Days so to speak before the world changed in the late 60s. The girl meets boy, songs about heartbreak and love, simpler times. I had read somewhere that MRS. C., doesnt have a computer, I believe that was in her testimony in the last trial. I'm glad she doesn't. I hope her life is cherishing her Daughter's memory and their good times. That she never has to know of the segment of society, that uses her daughter's death to further their cause of hanging onto a celebrity, who in the end probably wouldn't lend them a wooden nickle. What is the title of that song from the 60's, Its a strange strange world we live in master jack. Well the more I'm on the internet the more I believe it.

JMO and I'm sticking to it.

[Ellie]

So he is selling the castle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6395874.ece

I hope she give back to his children anything that may belong to them. I remember watching a utube interview with Julian L. and how he told how he had to buy back cards or somethings he had sent to his Dad in an auction.

JMO

I don't know, my friend--- so much of this article is WAY, way off.... I don't think I will believe anything it states. :tongueside:

[barskin&co.]

I don't know, my friend--- so much of this article is WAY, way off.... I don't think I will believe anything it states. :tongueside:

I agree. Like the bizarre, two gun scenario????

[Ellie]

I agree. Like the bizarre, two gun scenario????

Mm hm. And the song Lana supposedly danced around singing---this article states it was "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling", I've read other sources saying it was "Da Doo Ron Ron". Or how Lana aimed the gun (an unregistered Colt, at least they got that part right. Spector never registered his guns.) at the side of her head. This kind if completely off-base reporting is so irresponsible, the author (and his/her editor) should be reprimanded publically and removed from their desk.

[kennedy06]

Mm hm. And the song Lana supposedly danced around singing---this article states it was "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling", I've read other sources saying it was "Da Doo Ron Ron". Or how Lana aimed the gun (an unregistered Colt, at least they got that part right. Spector never registered his guns.) at the side of her head. This kind if completely off-base reporting is so irresponsible, the author (and his/her editor) should be reprimanded publically and removed from their desk.

I apparently and so do others on this board, do more research for a post to make sure the information is correct then I have seen with some of these articles such as the one you guys are discussing. How many minutes could it take to search and know the basic facts on this case, 5 at the most??

[barskin&co.]

Mm hm. And the song Lana supposedly danced around singing---this article states it was "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling", I've read other sources saying it was "Da Doo Ron Ron". Or how Lana aimed the gun (an unregistered Colt, at least they got that part right. Spector never registered his guns.) at the side of her head. This kind if completely off-base reporting is so irresponsible, the author (and his/her editor) should be reprimanded publically and removed from their desk.

Oh, absolutely right. Hellooo, fact check department.....

Maybe that is why there is a comment from a reader saying he has never understood "whose gun it was," "Spector's or Lana's," like there was ever even an inkling that Lana a) posessed a gun and b) carried it to work and to Spector's home. I think such a reader could only be that misinformed by reading the kind misinformation coming from this particular source,

[barskin&co.]

I know people do not like JF - but, she is going to comment on the PS sentence on her show starting now

I have just one word...oy.

[NotAgain]

what did JF say about the sentence?

[NotAgain]

Still laughing about the "breaking news" post. Honestly, I cried with laughter. I think you scared them away. Having said that, I totally agree that giving these murderers private access to the outside world is insane.

was that the one about the escape from the psych ward or something to that effect?:scared:

[vonna]

Obsession? Really? Let's examine that thinking? You sit here watching what we say daily, had to spend the time to get an extra nic while everyone here already knows who you are and are smarting because we are here on a message board discussing the murderer, Phil Spector. Pot kettle!

mo

:rolleyes:

It's hard to understand a mentality which gets its kicks out of making outrageous statements to see the amount of disruption it causes. Anyone with a psych degree here??

[Anakerie]

Memories are not precious when it comes to Phillip Harvey Spector.
An obsession is what I see. The trial is over and the little killer has been put away.
MO and a pretty dam near good one.:laugh:
JMO
lol, Obsession, huh? And you're not here, right?

I am not "obsessed" over Phil Spector... I'm simply waiting to get a copy of Phil's latest mug shot so I can add it to the other 2 I have and then post all 3 on my blog as sort of a "farewell" to the little has-been convict.. :biggrin:

[NotAgain]

Memories are not precious when it comes to Phillip Harvey Spector.
An obsession is what I see. The trial is over and the little killer has been put away.
MO and a pretty dam near good one.:laugh:
JMO

I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that it is a good thing the killer is put away? Are you saying PS had an obsession or we are obsessed? :confused:

[hiitsme]

was that the one about the escape from the psych ward or something to that effect?:scared:

Yup. Just made me laugh again!

[NotAgain]

Obsession? Really? Let's examine that thinking? You sit here watching what we say daily, had to spend the time to get an extra nic while everyone here already knows who you are and are smarting because we are here on a message board discussing the murderer, Phil Spector. Pot kettle!

mo

:rolleyes:


I guess I am in the dark here. I don't know. I am not sure how to interpret what Dwane said.

[nsm]

lol, Obsession, huh? And you're not here, right?

I am not "obsessed" over Phil Spector... I'm simply waiting to get a copy of Phil's latest mug shot so I can add it to the other 2 I have and then post all 3 on my blog as sort of a "farewell" to the little has-been convict.. :biggrin:


I agree. I think it will be great to see him without his wig! He obviously will be humiliated for the world to see him that way. I hope he is humiliated just like the way he treated women and humiliated them.

[NotAgain]

Look who is pretending to be Phil Spector on Twitter. They also are posting as Charles Manson as well. Sick.

http://twitter.com/philspector

Nat, those will go poof too.

omo

Hmmmm. The twitterer uses the F word like PS.

[barskin&co.]

I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that it is a good thing the killer is put away? Are you saying PS had an obsession or we are obsessed? :confused:

Alot of us are obsessed, with justice. We have been following this case for 6 years, and when you follow a case like this- it has been my observation and my personal emotion- you develop a deep feeling for the victim. This is something I am neither ashamed of nor do I regret. We have wanted to see justice served on behalf of an innocent woman who was first shot to death, brutally and senselessly, then maligned and abused by the Team Spector save-Phil-at-all-costs cadre. We are simply at the end of a very long process. We are making our (blessedly) final comments these days. If someone wants to ridicule us for our feelings...well, that's just unfortunate.

[NotAgain]

Alot of us are obsessed, with justice. We have been following this case for 6 years, and when you follow a case like this- it has been my observation and my personal emotion- you develop a deep feeling for the victim. This is something I am neither ashamed of nor do I regret. We have wanted to see justice served on behalf of an innocent woman who was first shot to death, brutally and senselessly, then maligned and abused by the Team Spector save-Phil-at-all-costs cadre. We are simply at the end of a very long process. We are making our (blessedly) final comments these days. If someone wants to ridicule us for our feelings...well, that's just unfortunate.


I am not sure the person was ridiculing us....:confused:

I do agree that I am obsessed with this case. I am elated justice was served. I was so afraid PS would go free.

[barskin&co.]

So does the same person who started his twitter page, the petition where she cussed up and down and the page speaking for Charles Manson.

http://twitter.com/FreePhilSpector

Sprocket dicusses the Twitter story:

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/search/label/Trial%20Coverage

[barskin&co.]

I am not sure the person was ridiculing us....:confused:

I do agree that I am obsessed with this case. I am elated justice was served. I was so afraid PS would go free.

I'm not sure about that person, either. :confused:

[True2Blues]

Hmmmm. The twitterer uses the F word like PS.

They also mention the wig. If PS wouldn't admit he even wore one, why on Earth would he make an offhand mention of it on twitter? I'm not buying it.

[NotAgain]

Sprocket dicusses the Twitter story:

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/search/label/Trial%20Coverage

Thanks. I checked her site earlier today.

[True2Blues]

Spocket found out the story is not true. It's a no brainer. It is some girl named Nat who has way too much time on her hands calling in that story so she can play her twisted games. Wanna bet she is doing the same on myspace? She's the same one who started that lame petition. The twitter pages she has for herself, Phil and Charles Manson will go in the same trash bin as the petition.

omo

If I were going to put myself in the place of another person and feel I related to them enough to speak for them (which I wouldn't), it wouldn't be Spector or Manson. It concerns me that any person feels they relate to those two so strongly. Odd that.

[Anakerie]

So does the same person who started his twitter page, the petition where she cussed up and down and the page speaking for Charles Manson.

http://twitter.com/FreePhilSpector
Now those fans would fit a definition of "obsessed".... :rolleyes:

Pathetic.... Do you suppose the "fans" that are twittering (or whatever the heck you call it.) are the sources that the UK paper used for their baloney article?

[NotAgain]

If I were going to put myself in the place of another person and feel I related to them enough to speak for them (which I wouldn't), it wouldn't be Spector or Manson. It concerns me that any person feels they relate to those two so strongly. Odd that.

heck i would not even speak for my wife..... even if she does speak for me daily.

[NotAgain]

Now those fans would fit a definition of "obsessed".... :rolleyes:

Pathetic.... Do you suppose the "fans" that are twittering (or whatever the heck you call it.) are the sources that the UK paper used for their baloney article?

probably...

fanatic is more fitting...

[Daisy]

Finally! Thank God, the jury, and Judge Fidler.

~Daisy

[True2Blues]

I don't take it as a ridicule but I will say I have been really on it since the first day I began watching trial number one. I never missed it and if I had to go somewhere I made sure it was taped. Does this mean I was obsessed?:laugh:
So be it. (I haven't lost sleep over it):tonguewag:
jmo

Back during trial one we could actually re watch coverage on Court TV's Extra. That way we didn't have to miss coverage. Now CTV is gone and we get nothing worth watching. It's sad.

[vonna]

Right there with you Dianna. I know I was obsessed while the first trial was going on. I didn't care! I wanted to see him go directly to prison. OK so I had to wait a while longer...it was most assuredly worth it! And Yes, I DO want to see his mugshot without the wig and all the trimmings...just one more perk of looking in here every so often!:thumbsup:

In a way, I was relieved that they didn't televise the second trial as I felt like a prisoner during the first one! LOL. I really arranged my life around the hours it was on TV. My laptop would go into the kitchen if it was necessary to do some preliminary work for dinner. Guess that does meet the definition of being obsessed or awfully close to it.

[tartangirl]

I am just now returning after some time away and see some words used here. Obsessed is the one that strikes me the most. I would be proud to be obsessed with seeking out and sanctioning Justice in this world. In this murder case we have all been interested in for the last few years, that dedication and intense thirst for Justice has helped me through the time we had
to wait while the killer went free for six years while showing no remorse. I like obsessed and plan on continuing to be just that when it comes to looking for Justice and watching as those who Can put the criminals behind bars where they belong. Maybe addicted should be added to my list.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[barskin&co.]

So does the same person who started his twitter page, the petition where she cussed up and down and the page speaking for Charles Manson.

http://twitter.com/FreePhilSpector

Ooh, that does sound like our old "witness potection programme" strangled-for-7-hours buddy, doesn't it? And just listen to the revolting way she speaks about Lana. :flamemad:

[True2Blues]

I am just now returning after some time away and see some words used here. Obsessed is the one that strikes me the most. I would be proud to be obsessed with seeking out and sanctioning Justice in this world. In this murder case we have all been interested in for the last few years, that dedication and intense thirst for Justice has helped me through the time we had
to wait while the killer went free for six years while showing no remorse. I like obsessed and plan on continuing to be just that when it comes to looking for Justice and watching as those who Can put the criminals behind bars where they belong. Maybe addicted should be added to my list.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana




I'm with you TG. We were interested and wanted to make sure that we saw all of the evidence in the trial, from both sides. My reaction to being called "obsessed" is: So What? I was already interested in the process and became interested in the case.

There was a little bit of everything in Trial one, it was a real learning experience.

[True2Blues]

Ooh, that does sound like our old "witness potection programme" strangled-for-7-hours buddy, doesn't it? And just listen to the revolting way she speaks about Lana. :flamemad:

It takes a real coward to run down a murdered woman.

[barskin&co.]

Sure is the very same. Look who is right there agreeing with her too. Spectorfan8! Her true colors are showing all over the net. imo

:thumbdown:

What witness/protection/strangled has to say is obscene.

[vonna]

Who is helterskelter...Strangled for "7" hours?:w00t::biggrinjester:
Er, forgive me for laughing.
JMO

You don't want to know!!!!

[barskin&co.]

Who is helterskelter...Strangled for "7" hours?:w00t::biggrinjester:
Er, forgive me for laughing.
JMO

No, strangled-for-7-hours is replying to the Twitterer who calls him/herself "heltershelter," whose own Twitter page is cheerfully decorated with pictures of Charlie Manson, Squeaky Fromme, et. al. Strangled-for-seven-hours is the person whose twitter page is "FreePhilSpector;" one of her tweets is her reaffirmation of the "strangled for 7 hours scenario." I guess she thinks she's got a winning story line with that one. Go figure.

[barskin&co.]

No, strangled-for-7-hours is replying to the Twitterer who calls him/herself "heltershelter," whose own Twitter page is cheerfully decorated with pictures of Charlie Manson, Squeaky Fromme, et. al. Strangled-for-seven-hours is the person whose twitter page is "FreePhilSpector;" one of her tweets is her reaffirmation of the "strangled for 7 hours scenario." I guess she thinks she's got a winning story line with that one. Go figure.

Wait...wait...it get's better. "FreePhilSpectorUK" on twitter has also identified herself as MySpace's "NatMcBride," who was in court and "got her ex" in court today (way to hide your identity while hiding in the "witness protection programme.") This person is either a genuine lunatic or someone is so so good as posing as one, it makes little difference which is the truth. And this is the caliber of the of the Spector zealot.

Much more disturbing is the support given by Yoko Ono on the Twitter page. Dominick Dunne mentioned her attitide in an early Vanity Fair piece:

On the night before I came out to Los Angeles for this trial, I was at a party in New York, where I ran into Yoko Ono. One of the most enduring stories about Phil Spector involves the time he pulled a gun on John Lennon at a recording session. I told Yoko I was leaving the next day to cover Spector's trial. She smiled sweetly and said, "Oh, Phil," in the most affectionate manner. I said, "What do you mean, 'Oh, Phil'? He pulled a gun on your husband." Yoko said, "Oh, that story has become so exaggerated. He took out the gun and shot it in the ceiling." Oh.

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2007/08/dunne200708

Her own late husband was on the receiving end of Spector waving a loaded gun in his direction. Her own late husband was murdered senselessly by another lunatic in posession of a gun. IMO, Yoko Ono has the empathy of a hedgehog.

[AdverseParty]

Back during trial one we could actually re watch coverage on Court TV's Extra. That way we didn't have to miss coverage. Now CTV is gone and we get nothing worth watching. It's sad.


Well.. we do have Speeders.
:rolleyes:

[Anakerie]

A New Zealand newspaper has an article that is a good read... I think I like this writer... :wub:

If Spector's story is a tragedy, what about the woman he killed?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10575625Lana Clarkson always dreamed of being a star. She nearly made it in life, but it was in death that she achieved the most undesirable lasting fame of all. Her shooting, at the home of the music legend Phil Spector, put her face on front pages around the world.

[trialwatchr]

LA finally convicted a celeb, it's a miracle. Phil got what he deserved and Lana's family finally has justice. Hope it stays that way on appeal.

[shvrmetimber]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15257/Ex-Declaration

Anybody???:confused:

[NotAgain]

harvey spector does have fans. his latest is Dana Hayes Mature Porn Star per team spector page. seems she might be more of a fan of rachelle.

..... i have been threw what she is going threw and would like to say please contact me if ever she might find the desire to talk to one who can relate and help in any way. Love and Hope, Dana Hayes I had never met anyone who had a similiar experience and even now 20 odd years later i still would like to.
Miracles happen .



http://www.myspace.com/teamphilspector

[barskin&co.]

She's old and can't spell either. "i have been threw what she is going threw"...oh really? These fans embarass themselves on a daily basis. They have no shame.

omo

:rolleyes:

She has "been threw" what Rachelle has been "going threw?" Really? She married a guy under indictment for murder because her boss wouldn't marry the guy? And the guy was convicted, and she was left without just about anything because the guy wanted to sell off his home and every posession to finance an appeal? There's a lot of that going around?

[Anakerie]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15257/Ex-Declaration

Anybody???:confused:
:confused: I'll join you in being confused! How did you run across that????

[Anakerie]

Geez... The British press are gullible.. They seem to think that the phony Phil Spector twitter page is for real... Do they not do any fact checking? :rolleyes:

Phil Spector complains about prison confiscating his wig on Twitter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/5427201/Phil-Spector-complains-about-prison-confiscating-his-wig-on-Twitter.html

Murderer Phil Spector moans on Twitter about prison officials confiscating his wig
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/06/02/murderer-phil-spector-moans-on-twitter-about-prison-officials-confiscating-his-wig-115875-21408939/

[tartangirl]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15257/Ex-Declaration

Anybody???:confused:

There is a lot to look at on this site, I see a name of a very good law school. Lots of questions and I am also very curious how you found this. LOL Inquiring minds do want to know. :wink:

~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[NotAgain]

:confused: I'll join you in being confused! How did you run across that????

I will join the party of the confused. :confused:

[Ellie]

Wait...wait...it get's better. "FreePhilSpectorUK" on twitter has also identified herself as MySpace's "NatMcBride," who was in court and "got her ex" in court today (way to hide your identity while hiding in the "witness protection programme.") This person is either a genuine lunatic or someone is so so good as posing as one, it makes little difference which is the truth. And this is the caliber of the of the Spector zealot.

Much more disturbing is the support given by Yoko Ono on the Twitter page. Dominick Dunne mentioned her attitide in an early Vanity Fair piece:

On the night before I came out to Los Angeles for this trial, I was at a party in New York, where I ran into Yoko Ono. One of the most enduring stories about Phil Spector involves the time he pulled a gun on John Lennon at a recording session. I told Yoko I was leaving the next day to cover Spector's trial. She smiled sweetly and said, "Oh, Phil," in the most affectionate manner. I said, "What do you mean, 'Oh, Phil'? He pulled a gun on your husband." Yoko said, "Oh, that story has become so exaggerated. He took out the gun and shot it in the ceiling." Oh.

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2007/08/dunne200708

Her own late husband was on the receiving end of Spector waving a loaded gun in his direction. Her own late husband was murdered senselessly by another lunatic in posession of a gun. IMO, Yoko Ono has the empathy of a hedgehog.

I really have no idea if the twit(erer) is the old poster from here or who she is...

But... the above quite from Dominick about his convo with Yoko does give pause for thought that maybe Yoko really was 'here' for a while during PS1...eh? Ya think?

[Ellie]

I will join the party of the confused. :confused:

Move over, I need a seat on this side of the room. What is this all about? When did Phil move into the "castle"?!

[kennedy06]

I really have no idea if the twit(erer) is the old poster from here or who she is...

But... the above quite from Dominick about his convo with Yoko does give pause for thought that maybe Yoko really was 'here' for a while during PS1...eh? Ya think?


I think more people have probably been on these boards then we will ever realize. Many say oh why would this person or that person have come here, well I ask why not? This is where the information was flowing daily about PS. JMO

[vonna]

I think more people have probably been on these boards then we will ever realize. Many say oh why would this person or that person have come here, well I ask why not? This is where the information was flowing daily about PS. JMO

I remember that poster. There were quite a few pro Phil posters other than Yoko who either no longer post or more likely - have assumed other nics.

[Ellie]

Here's some interesting (if not dated) banter I found somehow....

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:vgQA9YFmfVoJ:www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm%3Fthreadid%3D56399%26messages%3D84%26pa ge%3D1+Spector+bought+the+Alhambra+castle&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Says that Spector bought the house in 1998. Weird.

[tartangirl]

Here's some interesting (if not dated) banter I found somehow....

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:vgQA9YFmfVoJ:www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm%3Fthreadid%3D56399%26messages%3D84%26pa ge%3D1+Spector+bought+the+Alhambra+castle&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Says that Spector bought the house in 1998. Weird.

I will have to do a little research myself. I am currently watching the current Clark Rockefeller, almost even more difficult to look at face than Phil Spector if you thought that could ever be possible, case on TruTv.

~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

[bearwds]

Find it amusing to hear folks describe their interest in Spector as an "obsession".

My attention has been focused on this case for 6 years. Saw every moment of the 1st case and read every Post of both trials.

"Obsession"..?? The way I look at it is unless one has all the information available, one can't opine with credibility.

As one can see, I'm still here.

Still need to follow though with assignment to penal facility and the odd details such as sale of castle and reports of career opportunities RS chooses.


bearwds

[hiitsme]

I remember that poster. There were quite a few pro Phil posters other than Yoko who either no longer post or more likely - have assumed other nics.

I think they've all joined the British twitterer, you know the one in the witless protection program. She's had kind of a pied piper effect. I'm sure the Spector legal eagles are doing everything possible to distant themselves from this self serving crackpot! MOO

[NotAgain]

snipped.......... reports of career opportunities RS chooses.


bearwds


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13161887&postcount=228

maybe her #1 fan will mentor RS in the industry....... afterall RS does have a start from her nude pics in some mag a few years ago

[Ellie]

Intersting read over at Michelle Blaine's site too...

http://mcontrolblogs.blogspot.com/

[My 2 Cents]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15257/Ex-Declaration

Anybody???:confused:

Well "Shiver Me Timbers" as well, - shvrmetimber . . . What an interesting "find" for sure, but also what a puzzling document. I am SOOO CONFUSED as well. Is it for real? And if not, where did it come from and what is the purpose of it? It sure looks legit. Here is what I have been able to find that contradicts this "document" and lawsuit, as being "legit".

On ZILLOW.com (which is a website that contains a lot of public information about home sales), it shows Spector bought his home at 1700 Grand View Drive, Alhambra CA 91803 on: May 22, 1998. And as we know, still lives there (well, he doesn't physically "live there" anymore, but he still owns it). (This document/lawsuit suggests that Martin Mason owned this same location and sold it on July 25, 2002 and to a Fran Tarkenton, who moved in August 1, 2002 and transferred the deed on 8/2/02.

The PARCEL NUMBER on this document/lawsuit doesn't match the supposedly "official" parcel number listed on Zillow for the property located at the 1700 Grand View address: Parcel Number #5351020028.

AND then the following information is what makes me think this "document" is definitely either some sort of LAW SCHOOL "practice" lesson/learning tool OR just a joke of some kind:

1.) The address for the LAW FIRM for the defendant, Fran Tarkenton is the same address for PEPPERDINE UNIVERSITY, SCHOOL of LAW in Malibu. What is really weird is that ALAN JACKSON received his law degree from this same University, PEPPERDINE LAW SCHOOL.

2.) All 3 of the lawyers names (firm name) listed on this declaration are professors (and lawyers too) that teach courses at Pepperdine University, School of Law: James McGoldrick, Harry Caldwell and Christine Goodman.

3.) The date that this declaration is signed, is 2/6/03 - a few days AFTER Lana Clarkson was killed by the actual owner of this disputed property.

So I think it is bogus, even though it looks pretty "official", but for the life of me, I can't understand why it exists. WEIRD. (My guess is that there are more interesting "coincidences" in this document than we realize - like the plaintiff's name and defendants name are something other than just "random". Just a thought.)

Thanks "SHVRMETIMBER", a very interesting document for sure!

[Ellie]

I just can't help but wonder though... if this is a fake document, couldn't the author be in trouble for slander or.. something... for using these names? Very strange indeed as far as the dates go.. now that alone makes me go "huh".

[barskin&co.]

I just can't help but wonder though... if this is a fake document, couldn't the author be in trouble for slander or.. something... for using these names? Very strange indeed as far as the dates go.. now that alone makes me go "huh".

I dunnnnnnno...Fran Tarkenton and Martin and gum chewing Glenda...I think it's a fake.

[Nic99]

I dunnnnnnno...Fran Tarkenton and Martin and gum chewing Glenda...I think it's a fake.

Yeah, I reckon you're right.... Thought it might be an anagram or something, but doesn't quite work out.

[tartangirl]

I had much the same reaction as you did. The name of the law school and the name of one of the lawyers struck a cord with me from some of the information that we have been given to read about Alan Jackson. It looked like it could be some sort of exercise. As usual...You Rock! :smile: Yes, the names are interesting. Could be more to it than a simple practice piece or it could be just as it seems. :rolleyes:

~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

[tartangirl]

I dunnnnnnno...Fran Tarkenton and Martin and gum chewing Glenda...I think it's a fake.

Exercise, practice tool or real deal, I still had to laugh at the gum chewing description and I have to admit that I thought of RS. I also have to admit it brought forth a big smile. :w00t:


~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

[FallenAngel♥]

Hello State of California............we want a MUGSHOT :cursing:

[True2Blues]

Hello State of California............we want a MUGSHOT :cursing:

One article said that it could be up to two weeks before they move PS. I guess we'll just have to wait, even though we don't want to.

[Anakerie]

Just for the heck of it, I went over to the phony Phil twitter page and there's a twit or whatever it's called saying that Phil wants Ashton Kutcher to play him when his "biopic" is made... Like there will be a "bio pic" made of Phil.. :rolleyes:

[Anakerie]

One article said that it could be up to two weeks before they move PS. I guess we'll just have to wait, even though we don't want to.
I am guessing that it's medical reasons for not moving him yet. His surgery was done at UCLA, so I would guess his follow-up care for the most part would be from them... :shrug:

[True2Blues]

Just for the heck of it, I went over to the phony Phil twitter page and there's a twit or whatever it's called saying that Phil wants Ashton Kutcher to play him when his "biopic" is made... Like there will be a "bio pic" made of Phil.. :rolleyes:

They were going to make one before this happened and Tom Cruise was going to play PS. He's a big fan. (double blech!) Needless to say, that idea got dropped like a hot potato when PS murdered Lana.

[True2Blues]

I am guessing that it's medical reasons for not moving him yet. His surgery was done at UCLA, so I would guess his follow-up care for the most part would be from them... :shrug:

I know someone who had surgery for throat polyps, it didn't take long for them to recover at all.

Now that we know he's going to prison, where he belongs, I can wait! :biggrin: He'll end up in prison, that's all that matters.

[Anakerie]

They were going to make one before this happened and Tom Cruise was going to play PS. He's a big fan. (double blech!) Needless to say, that idea got dropped like a hot potato when PS murdered Lana.
Hmm.. Didn't know that.. But now that I think of it, someone will probably make a "made-for-tv" movie about him.. A bit of it about who Phil is, with various scenes of his previous incidents with guns, then the murder and then the majority of the movie about the arrest and trials and the closing shot of him in a cell with the door slowly closing...

[FallenAngel♥]

One article said that it could be up to two weeks before they move PS. I guess we'll just have to wait, even though we don't want to.

i'm not good at playing the waiting game.

[True2Blues]

i'm not good at playing the waiting game.

I can understand that. It's been so long in coming, I think we all want to know he's actually there, being processed for his new home.

[vonna]

Hello State of California............we want a MUGSHOT :cursing:

Yes we do! I guess the absence of one indicates he's still in jail awaiting transfer to prison.

[True2Blues]

Tom Cruise? I say he is dweeby enough! like you said, True...double blech!!! TC turnes my stomach! The only good thing I have seen him do is slide across the floor dancing to "Oldtime Rock And Roll"!LOL!( even then, it was the song I liked!):thumbup:

Here's a taste of what we're (not) missing!

http://www.8ball.co.uk/body_images/almostFamous/spector.jpg

http://www.8ball.co.uk/almost-famous

[vonna]

I know someone who had surgery for throat polyps, it didn't take long for them to recover at all.

Now that we know he's going to prison, where he belongs, I can wait! :biggrin: He'll end up in prison, that's all that matters.

I had a polyp removed in 1980 and was unable to speak for a week. I wondered how Spector could have talked at his sentencing having had the surgery the day before.

[True2Blues]

Ughch! I told you he was dweeby enough! I'm so glad it was scrapped! :ohmy:

It's one I would have avoided for both subject matter and casting! I agree, thank goodness it isn't going to happen.

[True2Blues]

I had a polyp removed in 1980 and was unable to speak for a week. I wondered how Spector could have talked at his sentencing having had the surgery the day before.

That's a good question. I thought he'd already had that surgery, but I guess he decided to wait and let the taxpayers pick up the tab.

[dref99]

Update on Sprocket:

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Part transcript of motions for the civil trial. This seemed interesting from Spector's lawyer

This motion is made on the grounds that Mr. Spector's sentencing hearing is scheduled for May 29, 2009. It is anticipated Mr. Spector will be rquesting a new trial at the time of his sentencing hearing or perfecting an appellate right. This will likely necessitate the continuance of the sentencing hearing

So why did Weinberg need to be reminded to request a new trial ???


jmo

[tartangirl]

Recently I read somewhere, I am
sorry I can't remember what article it was from, that PS will have a series of operations to remove those polyps. Although this is indeed a medical problem, it reminds me of the many many many delays put forth by the defense during both trials. :rolleyes: So, quite possibly, he is still getting medication for pain most likely and just sleeping his way through his stay in jail.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

[vonna]

Part transcript of motions for the civil trial. This seemed interesting from Spector's lawyer

This motion is made on the grounds that Mr. Spector's sentencing hearing is scheduled for May 29, 2009. It is anticipated Mr. Spector will be rquesting a new trial at the time of his sentencing hearing or perfecting an appellate right. This will likely necessitate the continuance of the sentencing hearing

So why did Weinberg need to be reminded to request a new trial ???


jmo

More than likely the defense was attempting to lay some sort of trap for JP - but he called them on it. I cannot believe they forgot to request a new trial.

[barskin&co.]

Just for the heck of it, I went over to the phony Phil twitter page and there's a twit or whatever it's called saying that Phil wants Ashton Kutcher to play him when his "biopic" is made... Like there will be a "bio pic" made of Phil.. :rolleyes:

Ashton Kutcher! Isn't that just the person who springs to mind as the star of "Phil!" (from the people who brought you "Ray") He overcame his childhood as a blind African-American in the poverty stricken south....okay, as a kid in the Bronx to become a self-made bully, drug and alcohol abuser, who utlimately committed murder. Yeah, that's a truly inspiring story.

[NotAgain]

It's one I would have avoided for both subject matter and casting! I agree, thank goodness it isn't going to happen.

If I were to select the cast.........

PS - Mike Myers
Lana - Nicolette Sheridan :loveeyes:

[vonna]

If I were to select the cast.........

PS - Mike Myers
Lana - Nicolette Sheridan :loveeyes:

You'd make a good casting director. There is a definite resemblance.

[bearwds]

Here's a taste of what we're (not) missing!

http://www.8ball.co.uk/body_images/almostFamous/spector.jpg

http://www.8ball.co.uk/almost-famous

****************************

A casting call for Roddy McDowal (b1928-d1998) in full "Planet" make-up would be spot on.


bearwds

[Anakerie]

Part transcript of motions for the civil trial. This seemed interesting from Spector's lawyer

This motion is made on the grounds that Mr. Spector's sentencing hearing is scheduled for May 29, 2009. It is anticipated Mr. Spector will be rquesting a new trial at the time of his sentencing hearing or perfecting an appellate right. This will likely necessitate the continuance of the sentencing hearing

So why did Weinberg need to be reminded to request a new trial ???


jmo
I think Weinberg deliberately neglected to ask for a new trial until Judge Fidler reminded him... Don't know why, but I think he was hoping to get away with it.. Appeal issue or something? I dunno... :shrug:

[True2Blues]

I think Weinberg deliberately neglected to ask for a new trial until Judge Fidler reminded him... Don't know why, but I think he was hoping to get away with it.. Appeal issue or something? I dunno... :shrug:

That looked like one of Riordan's attempts to be 'sly'. He's a real piece of work, that one.

[vonna]

That looked like one of Riordan's attempts to be 'sly'. He's a real piece of work, that one.

But it didn't work as Fidler was on his toes.

[dref99]

Here's a taste of what we're (not) missing!

http://www.8ball.co.uk/body_images/almostFamous/spector.jpg

http://www.8ball.co.uk/almost-famous

The second link seems to indicate some folks don't understand what the word "mistrial" means - I assume this was written after the end of the first trial

Why not: Spector’s life, including his recent acquittal
(my bolding)

jmo

[True2Blues]

The second link seems to indicate some folks don't understand what the word "mistrial" means - I assume this was written after the end of the first trial

Why not: Spector’s life, including his recent acquittal
(my bolding)

jmo

It probably was, I just hadn't seen that picture before. :laugh:

[Curlyjo]

I was telling my daughter that I believe the trial date was Sept 29th and the sentencing date was May 29th...how weird that was for us because the first date was my birthday and the later was her's. I am so happy to see the results....just a bit late because I was celebrating my daughter's birthday and totally forgot about PS. Thank God for that.

[My 2 Cents]

A friend just mentioned to me that RACHELLE SPECTOR was to hold an exclusive interview with INSIDE EDITION tonight (6/2/09).

Unfortunately I missed it - Here's a LINK to the INSIDE EDITION site and it has photos and an overview of the interview, but when I checked - there wasn't a video of the actual aired interview. BUMMER.

http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyID=3007

She stated that she is Phil's "protector" as she handles and runs ALL HIS BUSINESSES. Huh? That seems hard to believe IMO. She also said it was "love at 1st sight" . . . that seems even harder to believe - unless his wallet fell out on the table during that 1st introduction. It supposedly contained "never before seen wedding pictures" of the two.

http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2009/06/02/Wife-says-shes-staying-with-Spector/UPI-10501243997889/

So did anyone catch the interview?

[dref99]

A friend just mentioned to me that RACHELLE SPECTOR was to hold an exclusive interview with INSIDE EDITION tonight (6/2/09).

Unfortunately I missed it - Here's a LINK to the INSIDE EDITION site and it has photos and an overview of the interview, but when I checked - there wasn't a video of the actual aired interview. BUMMER.

http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyID=3007

She stated that she is Phil's "protector" as she handles and runs ALL HIS BUSINESSES. Huh? That seems hard to believe IMO. She also said it was "love at 1st sight" . . . that seems even harder to believe - unless his wallet fell out on the table during that 1st introduction. It supposedly contained "never before seen wedding pictures" of the two.

http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2009/06/02/Wife-says-shes-staying-with-Spector/UPI-10501243997889/

So did anyone catch the interview?

Thanks for the links my2cents - perhaps the videos will come later. "Love at 1st sight" sounds rather like "of course it is not a wig".

Guess she may get a surprise when the Clarkson lawyers find all the assets/income she doesn't know about.

jmo

[kennedy06]

I must have misunderstood I thought she was in her 20s?

[kennedy06]

I get so sick and tired of BS in this world and the people that dish it out thinking others don't catch on after a while. Now who in the heck is going to believe a 23 year old looked at a man old enough to be her grandfather and felt love at first site. No offense to Phil lovers across the globe, but he isn't exactly George Clooney....or Cary Grant....maybe an older woman past the men with the 6pack abs stage might but a young girl? I guess miracles do happen when that man turns out to be a multimillionaire, what luck!

[kennedy06]

I guess my perception was tainted by this past article posted during PS1. She maybe one very smart cookie for all I know. JMO

http://www.theradreport.com/2007/04/25/rachelle-short-is-the-next-anna-nicole-smith/

[vonna]

I get so sick and tired of BS in this world and the people that dish it out thinking others don't catch on after a while. Now who in the heck is going to believe a 23 year old looked at a man old enough to be her grandfather and felt love at first site. No offense to Phil lovers across the globe, but he isn't exactly George Clooney....or Cary Grant....maybe an older woman past the men with the 6pack abs stage might but a young girl? I guess miracles do happen when that man turns out to be a multimillionaire, what luck!

Maybe the love at first sight alluded to Spector's reaction to the sandwich she was carrying.

[kennedy06]

So the twitter has come out and confessed. Good thing he wasn't pretending to be someone I knew, writing about his need to vomit, sleep the affect of the meds, an apology wouldn't cut it for me. I would sue their a// . This is so sick so many getting their 15 min of fame off of this situation and Lana C.'s death. Maybe they ought to think about the scientifc facts of what happened to her physically, what she must have went through, the torment of her Mother learning of her Daughter's death, how about the anguish of PS familly learning of their Father's involvement. I like I said there is a segment of society....well..... :angry:JMO

[tartangirl]

Maybe the love at first sight alluded to Spector's reaction to the sandwich she was carrying.
Good way to start the day. I needed that giggle right about now and you came through for me my friend. For I do so love to laugh. :laugh:

~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[Ellie]

A friend just mentioned to me that RACHELLE SPECTOR was to hold an exclusive interview with INSIDE EDITION tonight (6/2/09).

Unfortunately I missed it - Here's a LINK to the INSIDE EDITION site and it has photos and an overview of the interview, but when I checked - there wasn't a video of the actual aired interview. BUMMER.

http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyID=3007

She stated that she is Phil's "protector" as she handles and runs ALL HIS BUSINESSES. Huh? That seems hard to believe IMO. She also said it was "love at 1st sight" . . . that seems even harder to believe - unless his wallet fell out on the table during that 1st introduction. It supposedly contained "never before seen wedding pictures" of the two.

http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2009/06/02/Wife-says-shes-staying-with-Spector/UPI-10501243997889/

So did anyone catch the interview?

Holy BLUE contact lenses (2nd link)!!!!! Blond dye job and the blue lenses... she's spent at least $300 since Phil has been gone. :wink:

[Ellie]

Maybe the love at first sight alluded to Spector's reaction to the sandwich she was carrying.

Did you notice how the article quoted RS as saying it was love at first sight for PHIL? Ha. I don't know if this article is even correct--- seems PS and RS met somewhere other than a party (and RS is no model... other than the tank-top shots posted on her myspace!). At least not according to Michelle Blaine, who spent plenty of time with the old girl.

[Anakerie]

A friend just mentioned to me that RACHELLE SPECTOR was to hold an exclusive interview with INSIDE EDITION tonight (6/2/09).

Unfortunately I missed it - Here's a LINK to the INSIDE EDITION site and it has photos and an overview of the interview, but when I checked - there wasn't a video of the actual aired interview. BUMMER.

http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyID=3007

She stated that she is Phil's "protector" as she handles and runs ALL HIS BUSINESSES. Huh? That seems hard to believe IMO. She also said it was "love at 1st sight" . . . that seems even harder to believe - unless his wallet fell out on the table during that 1st introduction. It supposedly contained "never before seen wedding pictures" of the two.

http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2009/06/02/Wife-says-shes-staying-with-Spector/UPI-10501243997889/

So did anyone catch the interview?
Nope.. I didn't catch it.. She runs his businesses? Uhm.. Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Hmm... I thought she worked as an assistant to Michelle Blaine before he married her... Oh well.. I guess she needs to get her face on TV so she can get her career moving again... lol

[Anakerie]

Did you notice how the article quoted RS as saying it was love at first sight for PHIL? Ha. I don't know if this article is even correct--- seems PS and RS met somewhere other than a party (and RS is no model... other than the tank-top shots posted on her myspace!). At least not according to Michelle Blaine, who spent plenty of time with the old girl.
lol, Love at 1st sight for Phil... Didn't he propose to Michelle Blaine before proposing to Rachelle?

[barskin&co.]

lol, Love at 1st sight for Phil... Didn't he propose to Michelle Blaine before proposing to Rachelle?

Yes! It was just that romantic. "Michelle will you marry me? No, well, how about your assistant, Rachelle....is that her name?"

[vonna]

I get so sick and tired of BS in this world and the people that dish it out thinking others don't catch on after a while. Now who in the heck is going to believe a 23 year old looked at a man old enough to be her grandfather and felt love at first site. No offense to Phil lovers across the globe, but he isn't exactly George Clooney....or Cary Grant....maybe an older woman past the men with the 6pack abs stage might but a young girl? I guess miracles do happen when that man turns out to be a multimillionaire, what luck!

Ever notice that young women never fall in love with and marry poor old men?

[Ellie]

Nope.. I didn't catch it.. She runs his businesses? Uhm.. Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Hmm... I thought she worked as an assistant to Michelle Blaine before he married her... Oh well.. I guess she needs to get her face on TV so she can get her career moving again... lol

Maybe RS thought that when she overheard Phil griping and saying "she's all up in my business" that meant she was 'up on' his business. :biggrin:

[FallenAngel♥]

Nope.. I didn't catch it.. She runs his businesses? Uhm.. Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Hmm... I thought she worked as an assistant to Michelle Blaine before he married her... Oh well.. I guess she needs to get her face on TV so she can get her career moving again... lol

She's his "Protector" .......someone had me a barf bag please lol

[kennedy06]

The strangest part of that twitter was watching PS fan from England trying to convince the supposed Charles Mnson. of Phil's innocents:rolleyes:

[kennedy06]

What did I miss? Who confessed? We all knew it was a fake. Did twitter shut it down?

:thumbsup:

No still up there, though they have confessed and said their goodbyes. With accolades of course from those that were quite amused. I think even the 1000th follower thought he had won the right or contest would you call it maybe, to name/suggest the title of his memoirs. JMO

[barskin&co.]

No still up there, though they have confessed and said their goodbyes. With accolades of course from those that were quite amused. I think even the 1000th follower thought he had won the right or contest would you call it maybe, to name/suggest the title of his memoirs. JMO

But, don't you love the fact that our dear friend, Ms. Witness Strangled-for-7-hours Protection Programme of Lockwood, England, (don't tell her ex- on second thought, who cares? She just posted that he came to her home rather than running into her on the street, so she isn't all that well hidden) has been conversing like mad with "Phil." She has been pledging her loyalty and proving it by talking trash and lies about Lana. And, she was fooled! Isn't that awful? :thumbsup:

[Anakerie]

No still up there, though they have confessed and said their goodbyes. With accolades of course from those that were quite amused. I think even the 1000th follower thought he had won the right or contest would you call it maybe, to name/suggest the title of his memoirs. JMO
The phony Phil's page is gone now.. I'm guessing someone decided to just plain end the "joke"... Either the person that was doing it or twitter itself..

[Ellie]

Oh good LORD she's got Joyce Danellen marked in her favorites. What the.... why are all the PS supporters certifiable?!

[Anakerie]

But, don't you love the fact that our dear friend, Ms. Witness Strangled-for-7-hours Protection Programme of Lockwood, England, (don't tell her ex- on second thought, who cares? She just posted that he came to her home rather than running into her on the street, so she isn't all that well hidden) has been conversing like mad with "Phil." She has been pledging her loyalty and proving it by talking trash and lies about Lana. And, she was fooled! Isn't that awful? :thumbsup:
Ohhh... Just awful! :rolleyes:

lol.. I'm sure she'll come back with a "I knew he was a phony" post soon...

[oodi]

Oh good LORD she's got Joyce Danellen marked in her favorites. What the.... why are all the PS supporters certifiable?!

Maybe cuz bird of a feather flock together??? :unsure:

[vonna]

Oh good LORD she's got Joyce Danellen marked in her favorites. What the.... why are all the PS supporters certifiable?!

They would have to be to maintain their ridiculous positions.

[Anakerie]

Not only does she say she is a photographer who doesn't have a real job, she believes there is a "free Phil spector" division. <snort>

She won't rest until Phil is out of prison and her ex is in prison..WHEN PIGS FLY!

Realty: Nat no sleep for you!

http://twitter.com/FreePhilSpector

5 hrs ago:

Ex tried to hide his suspended sentence for trying to kill me; in front of the judge..quickly put that one straight! Pulling stupid faces!

Her bio explains it all except for the where she says she is engaged.

http://secure.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=3702803506

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:laugh:
Interesting that she doesn't mention Phil in that bebo profile, isn't it? I wonder how old that thing is... Maybe the fiance she mentions there is the ex she's complaining about now? :shrug:

Whatever.. The girl seems to be a bit "off" if you get my drift...

[barskin&co.]

Interesting that she doesn't mention Phil in that bebo profile, isn't it? I wonder how old that thing is... Maybe the fiance she mentions there is the ex she's complaining about now? :shrug:

Whatever.. The girl seems to be a bit "off" if you get my drift...

A bit "off"? A bit? That's like saying the Atlantic Ocean is a bit wet.

[Anakerie]

A bit "off"? A bit? That's like saying the Atlantic Ocean is a bit wet.
LOL!!

I was trying to be diplomatic... ROFLMAO!! :lol:

[tartangirl]

This mentions both Phil Spector and Lana Clarkson. It talks about America's obsession with fame and wealth too. :wink: Another writer that has many facts of the case incorrect.

~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~




http://cinemauprising.blogspot.com/2009/06/life-imitates-art-on-boulevard-of.html

[True2Blues]

Yes! It was just that romantic. "Michelle will you marry me? No, well, how about your assistant, Rachelle....is that her name?"

:lol: I knew Rachelle would be looking for camera face time and a seat on the talk show circuit out of all this.

I'll be doing my best to miss any appearance.

[NotAgain]

i have heard it all.

love at first barf maybe

the children of PS need to intervene if she is at all involved in his financial affairs... doubt she could handle the finances or dollar bills in a gstring.

[barskin&co.]

:lol: I knew Rachelle would be looking for camera face time and a seat on the talk show circuit out of all this.

I'll be doing my best to miss any appearance.

You want to miss her appearances? Just blink - that'll do it. I don't think Chelle will be in demand all over the airwaves. She even missed out on being in the cast of "I'm a (sort of, in a way, by marriage) Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here" like the Rod Blago Mrs.

[Nic99]

i have heard it all.

love at first barf maybe

the children of PS need to intervene if she is at all involved in his financial affairs... doubt she could handle the finances or dollar bills in a gstring.

Surely that is up to the children of PS to decide for themselves.

Rachelle is Phil Spector's wife and good for them if it was love at first sight. Rachelle has stuck by Phil throughout the trial and I am sure will continue to do so.

jmo

[NotAgain]

Surely that is up to the children of PS to decide for themselves.
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jmo


i agree with that

[Nic99]

i agree with that

Crikey thats a first, glad I got it in writing :thumbsup:

[NotAgain]

Crikey thats a first, glad I got it in writing :thumbsup:

hey, if they are really in love, more power to them. i just think it was a business arrangement, not love.

[True2Blues]

You want to miss her appearances? Just blink - that'll do it. I don't think Chelle will be in demand all over the airwaves. She even missed out on being in the cast of "I'm a (sort of, in a way, by marriage) Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here" like the Rod Blago Mrs.

I don't see her being in great demand either, but I'll bet she's going to try. :biggrin: You're pretty badly off if you can't even get dumped into the jungle. LOL

[Nic99]

hey, if they are really in love, more power to them. i just think it was a business arrangement, not a love arrangement.

I would hope it is love; she has stuck by him and seems imo to really love him, but time will tell...

[vonna]

I would hope it is love; she has stuck by him and seems imo to really love him, but time will tell...

She was living up to her end of the contract as most people do.

[True2Blues]

She was living up to her end of the contract as most people do.

That's what I think too. (Though I do think they deserve one another.)

[Mort_Snerd]

Darn!

Mortie

Ever notice that young women never fall in love with and marry poor old men?

[tartangirl]

Darn!

Mortie

I would venture to guess that you have your very own following of sorts right here or close by :wink:


~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~ At Last ~

[barskin&co.]

I don't see her being in great demand either, but I'll bet she's going to try. :biggrin: You're pretty badly off if you can't even get dumped into the jungle. LOL

Though, I here Phil's "people" are trying to get him on a Chino State Prison version of "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here." :lol: