Friday, May 29, 2009 #1

[desmom]

Good Morning! :seeya:

On Friday, May 29, 2008, Ricardo said Casey spent the night. page 7 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/09%20Ricardo%20Morales%20July%2025,%202008.pdf

[desmom]

DePaul law professor, a death-penalty expert, joins Casey Anthony defense
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/orl-loccasey-anthony-052909052909may29,0,6450576.story

Three months ago, nationally known death-penalty attorney Andrea Lyon spoke in Orlando at a seminar on capital punishment put on by the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

Removal of Caylee Anthony's makeshift memorial remains mystery
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2009/05/removal-of-caylee-anthonys-makeshift-memorial-remains-mystery.html

Caylee Anthony – Baez Reveals Part Of His Poker Hand
http://www.bloggernews.net/121043

[ladeebug565]

I just watched yesterday's proceedings. I can't believe JB actually said that Jesse and Amy were suspects despite the fact that they both took, and presumably passed, lie-detector tests. Why would they be? When it was discovered that Caylee was missing, she was already gone for a month. Her mother was too afraid of Jesse and Amy (enough to steal the latter's money for shopping sprees at Target) that she had to go barhopping and pole dancing to find Jesse and Amy? She knew exactly where they were the whole time. Nope, Casey has backed herself into a corner with her Zanny story. Now, Cindy can make believe that Zanny is code for Jesse or Amy, but it just doesn't compute.

[desmom]

I just watched yesterday's proceedings. I can't believe JB actually said that Jesse and Amy were suspects despite the fact that they both took, and presumably passed, lie-detector tests. Why would they be? When it was discovered that Caylee was missing, she was already gone for a month. Her mother was too afraid of Jesse and Amy (enough to steal the latter's money for shopping sprees at Target) that she had to go barhopping and pole dancing to find Jesse and Amy? She knew exactly where they were the whole time. Nope, Casey has backed herself into a corner with her Zanny story. Now, Cindy can make believe that Zanny is code for Jesse or Amy, but it just doesn't compute.

Yep, I agree! She was afraid of Amy, but stole from Amy. She was afraid of Jesse, but called him for help when she "ran out of gas" on June 27, used his shower on July 1 and on July 3 she sent him a text saying, "There's something going on with my family right now. If my mom tries to call you don't say anything. Stay out of it. I'll take care of it."

JB may try to say Casey was afraid of them, but her actions show otherwise.....imo

[AMS]

Good morning all -

JVM said last night that Andrea Lyon is reprotedly an actress, known to cry in front of juries.

One of the THs said they are interested to see how a Florida jury would respond to Lyon. She is used to big city juries and the Florida group may be very different.

imo

[Bala]

Does anyone know that if Baez is going to accuse Jesse or Annie on the stand does he have to make them aware of it ahead of time so they can have council present. Are they entitled to a pro bono lawyer if they can't afford one. How do witnesses protect themselves from being thrown under the bus by unscrupulous lawyers and desperate baby killers?

[Explorer]

Does anyone know that if Baez is going to accuse Jesse or Annie on the stand does he have to make them aware of it ahead of time so they can have council present. Are they entitled to a pro bono lawyer if they can't afford one. How do witnesses protect themselves from being thrown under the bus by unscrupulous lawyers and desperate baby killers?

Thats a great question. What do they do if law enforcement didnt name them as a suspect.

[Explorer]

One poster said they are going to try to blame Jesse. All the others is just a smokescreen.

[kOOkie1]

Good Morning..
It will be interesting to see how A.Lyons interacts with Casey and if the Jury buys what she is going to be selling. I hope she has better acting skills then Casey when it comes to shedding tears.

[Explorer]

For example they say they want phone records for Kronk Amy Jesse but the other people are smokescreens they want to get at Jesse. What I dont like is that the DP lawyer said innocent which makes me think they are going to try to frame Jesse.

[Explorer]

I wouldnt be surprised if the PI went to the woods to plant something from Jesse in the bag with the remains.

[Explorer]

I think all the a's are in on it and thats why they needed a private jail visit CaA. If anything like that was ever proven they better charge the entire hand family plus jose.

[Explorer]

I hope the Grunds are on Red Alert.

[marshmallow]

For example they say they want phone records for Kronk Amy Jesse but the other people are smokescreens they want to get at Jesse. What I dont like is that the DP lawyer said innocent which makes me think they are going to try to frame Jesse.



if Casey demands they use an "innocent" defense do her attys have to follow her wishes?

[Explorer]

if Casey demands they use an "innocent" defense do her attys have to follow her wishes?

I just got the joke about band camp. Been there done that:biggrin:

[jammies]

Good Morning..
It will be interesting to see how A.Lyons interacts with Casey and if the Jury buys what she is going to be selling. I hope she has better acting skills then Casey when it comes to shedding tears.


The good people of FLA will have been living with this for over a year when trial comes around. Can't imagine them truckin' with some out of state lawyer who's prone to hysteronics. I going to guess most people on the jury will have had enough of Casey Anthony and her lying family. They have been in their FACE daily for almost a year now and I don't see the media dying down any time soon.

[jammies]

I wouldnt be surprised if the PI went to the woods to plant something from Jesse in the bag with the remains.



Me either. So who told the PI (DC) where to locate Caylee's remains? That's the million dollar question, isn't it?

[marshmallow]

The good people of FLA will have been living with this for over a year when trial comes around. Can't imagine them truckin' with some out of state lawyer who's prone to hysteronics. I going to guess most people on the jury will have had enough of Casey Anthony and her lying family. They have been in their FACE daily for almost a year now and I don't see the media dying down any time soon.

I think the defenses blatent, in your face, 'you people are dumb if you don't believe us' attitude will be a detriment. The defense seems to have adopted the Casey'tude and it will harm her more than help her. No one likes being smirked at or played like they're dumb and it seems to be a trait all the defense team member have in common. The "we're smarter than everyone and just because you see a brick doesn't mean it isn't a diamond so believe it's a diamond because we said so" attitude.

[Ckrdpast]

jose is on the TODAY show right now

[AMS]

jose is on the TODAY show right now

Let us know what he says.

[haveaniceday]

JB running off his mouth again on today show.
I don;t kn ow why they give him the time.
He says nothing

[*MoonRider*]

jose is on the TODAY show right now

GM, thanks for the heads up. He sure didn't waste any time getting his mug on the National Media again.

[bchand]

jose is on the TODAY show right now

Glad you're watching it too Ckrdpast. Am I wrong or did he say he will enjoy working FOR Andrea Lyon?

[Bala]

I hope the prosecutors use this to fight the change of venue. Talk about your hippocrates the defense is the ones you always see in the media.

[Elle]

DePaul law professor, a death-penalty expert, joins Casey Anthony defense
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/orl-loccasey-anthony-052909052909may29,0,6450576.story

Three months ago, nationally known death-penalty attorney Andrea Lyon spoke in Orlando at a seminar on capital punishment put on by the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

Removal of Caylee Anthony's makeshift memorial remains mystery
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2009/05/removal-of-caylee-anthonys-makeshift-memorial-remains-mystery.html

Caylee Anthony – Baez Reveals Part Of His Poker Hand
http://www.bloggernews.net/121043


Good morning
Thanks for posting these. I have only read the last one so far (many books have been ruined by this style I have lol) and while I know that people have been shoved under the bus left and right, and while I know that Jesse has been a target, it infuriates me to no end that a man that loved Caylee purely, unconditionally, with heart and soul, a man who loved Casey, is being stalked by this 'defense' team with Casey and the Anthony's blessing. How disgusting. Baez' poker hand sucks.
imo

[bchand]

JB running off his mouth again on today show.
I don;t kn ow why they give him the time.
He says nothing

Oh he did say this has been hard on poor Casey.

Really I guess she thinks her time out should be up.

[marshmallow]

Good morning
Thanks for posting these. I have only read the last one so far (many books have been ruined by this style I have lol) and while I know that people have been shoved under the bus left and right, and while I know that Jesse has been a target, it infuriates me to no end that a man that loved Caylee purely, unconditionally, with heart and soul, a man who loved Casey, is being stalked by this 'defense' team with Casey and the Anthony's blessing. How disgusting. Baez' poker hand sucks.
imo


in order for them to go with a Jesse did it approach they're going to need to put Casey on the stand. I just don't see them being that dense. Once she's on the stand it's a festival of truth for the State.

[jammies]

I think the defenses blatent, in your face, 'you people are dumb if you don't believe us' attitude will be a detriment. The defense seems to have adopted the Casey'tude and it will harm her more than help her. No one likes being smirked at or played like they're dumb and it seems to be a trait all the defense team member have in common. The "we're smarter than everyone and just because you see a brick doesn't mean it isn't a diamond so believe it's a diamond because we said so" attitude.


I agree. The defense teams style won't go over well. I'm beginning to wonder if "Zanny" will come up at all in their defense. If they run with the invisible nanny it will be a slam dunk for the pros.

[cassidy]

Oh he did say this has been hard on poor Casey.

Really I guess she thinks her time out should be up.

Awww...he's trying to tug at our heartstrings isn't he?
NOT WORKING JOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JMO

[marshmallow]

I agree. The defense teams style won't go over well. I'm beginning to wonder if "Zanny" will come up at all in their defense. If they run with the invisible nanny it will be a slam dunk for the pros.

to be honest, no defense will work at this point. maybe the "Cindy did it and Casey's covering for her" defense but even that's weak.

[msgatorslayer]

GM, thanks for the heads up. He sure didn't waste any time getting his mug on the National Media again.

G'morning!

I know the correct thing to do is give Jose his COV. But boy, oh boy, outta spite, I say, you help create the media frenzy, deal with it!!

[AMS]

to be honest, no defense will work at this point. maybe the "Cindy did it and Casey's covering for her" defense but even that's weak.

Sounds like Lyon is a smart woman whose primary goal is to prevent the DP. Do you think there is the possibility she would get Casey to take a plea to prevent the DP?

imo

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone! Thanks for all those great links
Des.

Last night Nancy Grace discussed whether or not what the jail did was "legal" here is her discussion with Mr. Sheaffer, the legal analyst from WFTV:

BILL SHEAFFER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTY. WFTV LEGAL ANALYST, IN COURT TODAY: It was a common area and that in and of itself, in my mind, defeats this claim that there was some violation of her right to privacy. I mean, where was she? She`s in the Orange County jail, for heaven`s sakes.

GRACE: And let me point out not too delicately, Mr. Sheaffer, that she`s in jail. They can watch her take a poop if they want to much less sit in a common area with other people.

And also, Mr. Sheaffer, I know you and I have traditionally been on different sides of the fence, but let me remind you of the U.S. Supreme Court case and the Christian Burial case which we all learned in law school. The cops can even trick somebody, for instance, into a confession as long as their constitutional rights are not violated.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/28/ng.01.html

Our Nancy has such a descriptive way with words, don't she? :biggrin:

[marshmallow]

Sounds like Lyon is a smart woman whoe primary goal is to prevent the DP. Do you think there is the possibility she would get Casey to take a plea to prevent the DP?

imo


I think that depends on how it would reflect on Lyon's record. Would it count as a case win for her? if not, then no I don't think she'd bother.
(being honest, not mean)

[cassidy]

Sounds like Lyon is a smart woman whoe primary goal is to prevent the DP. Do you think there is the possibility she would get Casey to take a plea to prevent the DP?

imo

She might, if she can get past Jose brainwashing Casey into believeing that he can get her off totally.

JMO

[AMS]

Good morning everyone! Thanks for all those great links
Des.

Last night Nancy Grace discussed whether or not what the jail did was "legal" here is her discussion with Mr. Sheaffer, the legal analyst from WFTV:

BILL SHEAFFER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTY. WFTV LEGAL ANALYST, IN COURT TODAY: It was a common area and that in and of itself, in my mind, defeats this claim that there was some violation of her right to privacy. I mean, where was she? She`s in the Orange County jail, for heaven`s sakes.

GRACE: And let me point out not too delicately, Mr. Sheaffer, that she`s in jail. They can watch her take a poop if they want to much less sit in a common area with other people.

snipped for space

Our Nancy has such a descriptive way with words, don't she? :biggrin:


Good morning - NG did make me laugh last night with her poop statement. :biggrin:

imo

[bchand]

Good morning everyone! Thanks for all those great links
Des.

Last night Nancy Grace discussed whether or not what the jail did was "legal" here is her discussion with Mr. Sheaffer, the legal analyst from WFTV:

BILL SHEAFFER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTY. WFTV LEGAL ANALYST, IN COURT TODAY: It was a common area and that in and of itself, in my mind, defeats this claim that there was some violation of her right to privacy. I mean, where was she? She`s in the Orange County jail, for heaven`s sakes.

GRACE: And let me point out not too delicately, Mr. Sheaffer, that she`s in jail. They can watch her take a poop if they want to much less sit in a common area with other people.

And also, Mr. Sheaffer, I know you and I have traditionally been on different sides of the fence, but let me remind you of the U.S. Supreme Court case and the Christian Burial case which we all learned in law school. The cops can even trick somebody, for instance, into a confession as long as their constitutional rights are not violated.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/28/ng.01.html

Our Nancy has such a descriptive way with words, don't she? :biggrin:

Nancy is definitely in "Mommy mode" Scamp.

[Neffy]

I think that depends on how it would reflect on Lyon's record. Would it count as a case win for her? if not, then no I don't think she'd bother.
(being honest, not mean)

It would put another notch in her "win" column. If she succeeds in getting the DP off the table before or at the start of trial she will also leave the case as she would be no longer needed by law.

[Scampi]

Sounds like Lyon is a smart woman whoe primary goal is to prevent the DP. Do you think there is the possibility she would get Casey to take a plea to prevent the DP?

imo

Hiya A!! I absolutely think Lyon's first priority will be to sit down with casey anthony and make certain she understands the legal situation she is in and then outline all options.

The OC will stick to her ridiculous claim of innocence and Lyon will take it from there.

Did you watch the after court mini pc with all of the defense lawyers? That pc told the tale, baez had the case taken from him right there on the courthouse steps, imo. Andrea Lyon knows what she is doing and will run this case accordingly. The OC is very lucky to have her.

I am looking forward to reading her motions, it will be a pleasure after the gibberish from baez.

[Elle]

in order for them to go with a Jesse did it approach they're going to need to put Casey on the stand. I just don't see them being that dense. Once she's on the stand it's a festival of truth for the State.

I would love to see Linda Drane Burdick go after her, though I agree, I cannot imagine even this defense team letting that happen.

imo

[AMS]

I think that depends on how it would reflect on Lyon's record. Would it count as a case win for her? if not, then no I don't think she'd bother.
(being honest, not mean)

Ah, that's a very good point. I suppose it would be how she described it. She could count it as a case she defended where the the defendent did not get the DP. That could be viewed as a win for her.

imo

[Scampi]

Nancy is definitely in "Mommy mode" Scamp.

LOL, she is B! "Mommy Mode" x2.

[msgatorslayer]

Sounds like Lyon is a smart woman whose primary goal is to prevent the DP. Do you think there is the possibility she would get Casey to take a plea to prevent the DP?

imo

Well, she's went on camera, in her intro, and said that Casey is innocent. In the same breath, she said she's new to the case and doesn't know squat.:confused:

I don't know if she'd try to get Casey to plea or not. IMO, it would depend on if she got any alone time with Casey. As I feel confident that Jose would never allow her to talk pleas with his girl.

Once she starts reading up on her case files she'll see that there was an offer of 'limited immunity' by the State way back in the beginning and that Jose didn't have his girl take it.

Lastly, if she looks through all the evidence and comes to the conclusion that the State can easily get a conviction, she may try to get PPOF to take a plea but the lil darlin doesn't know whats good for her [keeping bumbling Baez in the first place] and she'll say 'no way'. IMO

[in4infor]

My thinking is there will be no defense for CA, other then JB trying to put doubt into what the pros say. They think you have to prove she did it and unless you have a video of her doing it, she did'nt and therefore CA should be set free.

[Ckrdpast]

video of Today show - includes Jose' interview this morning

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30996344#30996344

[Elle]

Well, she's went on camera, in her intro, and said that Casey is innocent. In the same breath, she said she's new to the case and doesn't know squat.:confused:

I don't know if she'd try to get Casey to plea or not. IMO, it would depend on if she got any alone time with Casey. As I feel confident that Jose would never allow her to talk pleas with his girl.

Once she starts reading up on her case files she'll see that there was an offer of 'limited immunity' by the State way back in the beginning and that Jose didn't have his girl take it.

Lastly, if she looks through all the evidence and comes to the conclusion that the State can easily get a conviction, she may try to get PPOF to take a plea but the lil darlin doesn't know whats good for her [keeping bumbling Baez in the first place] and she'll say 'no way'. IMO

Not only did Baez turn it down, he was the one that 'reached out' to the state for it in the first place. He repeatedly denied that he approached the state until emails were produced showing otherwise.
imo

[Scampi]

I have been reading up on Ms. Lyon and by all accounts she is a very passionate opponent of the death penalty. She has been known to cry in closing arguments. Some criticize her for those dramatics, but I disagree with that because in my limited experience, many of the most successful attorneys have been dramatic.

Racehorse Haynes, Johnny Cocharan, Bruce Cutler, all dramatic in different ways. I think drama in an attorney fighting for your life is a good thing.

I don't think she cares one whit about her win/loss record, I think she wants to save this babykiller's life.

[msgatorslayer]

Not only did Baez turn it down, he was the one that 'reached out' to the state for it in the first place. He repeatedly denied that he approached the state until emails were produced showing otherwise.
imo

Oh, yes, that lil detail slipped my mind. You're right!!

[SandyO]

Sounds like Lyon is a smart woman whose primary goal is to prevent the DP. Do you think there is the possibility she would get Casey to take a plea to prevent the DP?

imo

That's exactly what I've been thinking. Remember that Lennamon's conflict with Baez involved that issue. Ms. Lyon's fight is with the death penalty, not in getting Casey OFF with a not guilty verdict. In order to do that, they've almost got to blame Cindy for ruining Casey and putting her under intolerable pressure, causing her to snap and kill Caylee. There are several avenues they could go ---- I've always thought ACCIDENT followed by a mental break would be the best, but it seems they have someone else in the bullseye. It will be interesting.

[*MoonRider*]

video of Today show - includes Jose' interview this morning

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30996344#30996344

Jose said both correctional officers that he deposed said that what they did to Casey was cruel and unusual :confused: What about what she did to poor Caylee? I can't understand why Jose is making such an ordeal out of that video. It has nothing to do with the case against his client. He has bigger fish to fry imo

[AMS]

Hiya A!! I absolutely think Lyon's first priority will be to sit down with casey anthony and make certain she understands the legal situation she is in and then outline all options.

The OC will stick to her ridiculous claim of innocence and Lyon will take it from there.

Did you watch the after court mini pc with all of the defense lawyers? That pc told the tale, baez had the case taken from him right there on the courthouse steps, imo. Andrea Lyon knows what she is doing and will run this case accordingly. The OC is very lucky to have her.

I am looking forward to reading her motions, it will be a pleasure after the gibberish from baez.


I hope Lyon speaks to the OC in the absence of Baez. I anticipate Lyon would lay it on the line for her. This may be the "come to Jesus" meeting for the OC. She will realize that Baez has been misleading her all along. This may be when the OC starts to panic.

imo

[destiny1]

Well, she's went on camera, in her intro, and said that Casey is innocent. In the same breath, she said she's new to the case and doesn't know squat.:confused:

I don't know if she'd try to get Casey to plea or not. IMO, it would depend on if she got any alone time with Casey. As I feel confident that Jose would never allow her to talk pleas with his girl.

Once she starts reading up on her case files she'll see that there was an offer of 'limited immunity' by the State way back in the beginning and that Jose didn't have his girl take it.

Lastly, if she looks through all the evidence and comes to the conclusion that the State can easily get a conviction, she may try to get PPOF to take a plea but the lil darlin doesn't know whats good for her [keeping bumbling Baez in the first place] and she'll say 'no way'. IMO



good Morning,

I have been following this case from day 31, and I do not understand the loyalty that casey seems to have for Jose baez. He is a blustering wind that is looking for his storm page in the history books of crimminal justice. However, he will not earn his storm status, nor will he earn an acquittal or any leniency for his client.

This has been made even more curious by the rumors that a very wealthy couple for whatever reason is funding this defense. Combine that rumor and the irrational loyalty with aallegations that george or possibly other family members are mobbed up, and not necessarily the traditional mob, and yet another new volume can be added to this collection of tragedies.

Good Morning Scampi. (So far you're the only one I recognize.) Glad to see you're back in your normally festive attire.


Edited to add: with Lyons being the DP qualified attorney, won't Jose have to give up his queen bee status? From what I have read, this attorney has experience getting her hands dirty and knows her way around. What makes anybody think that she won't end up running this case the way it should have been in the first place?

[sammy62]

Jose said both correctional officers that he deposed said that what they did to Casey was cruel and unusual :confused: What about what she did to poor Caylee? I can't understand why Jose is making such an ordeal out of that video. It has nothing to do with the case against his client. He has bigger fish to fry imo

someone mentioned the other day (Peter I believe) that Bozo has his hand in an inappropriate spot on the tape.

[msgatorslayer]

I have been reading up on Ms. Lyon and by all accounts she is a very passionate opponent of the death penalty. She has been known to cry in closing arguments. Some criticize her for those dramatics, but I disagree with that because in my limited experience, many of the most successful attorneys have been dramatic.

Racehorse Haynes, Johnny Cocharan, Bruce Cutler, all dramatic in different ways. I think drama in an attorney fighting for your life is a good thing.

I don't think she cares one whit about her win/loss record, I think she wants to save this babykiller's life.

The biggest part of a death qualified attorney's job is the penalty phase. To get the jurors to believe their side. To make them feel the mitigating factors they present outway the aggravating ones the State presents.

ITA, some dramatic flair can only help.

[AMS]

That's exactly what I've been thinking. Remember that Lennamon's conflict with Baez involved that issue. Ms. Lyon's fight is with the death penalty, not in getting Casey OFF with a not guilty verdict. In order to do that, they've almost got to blame Cindy for ruining Casey and putting her under intolerable pressure, causing her to snap and kill Caylee. There are several avenues they could go ---- I've always thought ACCIDENT followed by a mental break would be the best, but it seems they have someone else in the bullseye. It will be interesting.

I still believe they may try to throw Cindy under the bus. Overbearing, controlling mother. Casey was afriad of her which is why she did not report Caylee missing. This would be more believable than a Jesse story.

imo

[breezie]

It would put another notch in her "win" column. If she succeeds in getting the DP off the table before or at the start of trial she will also leave the case as she would be no longer needed by law.

I am looking forward to reading a well thought out, coherent motion in this case from the defense. Sheesh. I doubt she can prove what she says given the FACTS of the case and the timing (finding the body and the evidence at the scene), but it will be interesting to see what she comes up with once she is familiar with the case.

[breezie]

I hope Lyon speaks to the OC in the absence of Baez. I anticipate Lyon would lay it on the line for her. This may be the "come to Jesus" meeting for the OC. She will realize that Baez has been misleading her all along. This may be when the OC starts to panic.

imo

I can't imagine taking a case before speaking to the defendant. Do we know if yesterday in court was the first meeting of Lyon and Casey?

[cassidy]

I don't think she cares one whit about her win/loss record, I think she wants to save this babykiller's life.

***snipped***

I'm not a big supporter of the DP but I am wondering how Ms Lyons justifies saving Casey's life when Casey showed total disregard for Caylee's life? I guess I just don't understand how one justifies getting a guilty person off, just for the sake of being "better" than the other side? If Casey is truly guilty and she walks, who "wins"?

JMO

[jammies]

someone mentioned the other day (Peter I believe) that Bozo has his hand in an inappropriate spot on the tape.


I kept noticing how they both started to touch eachother then caught themselves and held back. ick

[Neffy]

I can't imagine taking a case before speaking to the defendant. Do we know if yesterday in court was the first meeting of Lyon and Casey?

I'm not sure if they've met or not but LKB did the same thing. Guilt or innocence isn't a factor when it comes to LKB or Lyons. Their job is to refute, find holes, technicalities and pound away. Caylee or any other victim is of no essence to them. Their client is first, foremost and their only focus.

[Neffy]

***snipped***

I'm not a big supporter of the DP but I am wondering how Ms Lyons justifies saving Casey's life when Casey showed total disregard for Caylee's life? I guess I just don't understand how one justifies getting a guilty person off, just for the sake of being "better" than the other side? If Casey is truly guilty and she walks, who "wins"?

JMO

The defense attorney's win. They bumped up one for the "win" column and increase their marketable value.

[jammies]

Did our poster Peter ever get the info he was looking for from his Bounty hunter friend?

I may have missed it.

[KP1935]

I admit, I don't dissect each hearing like some on here (which is much appreciated, BTW), but yesterday, didn't the SA say they really aren't fighting TO release the video? So it's really up to the media who want it out there? IMO, I could care less if it is released. Sure, seeing Bozo possibly groping the OC would be fun because it would lead to more trouble for him, but it does NOTHING towards getting justice for Caylee and I know that is what we all want to see! (Regardless what side you favor, justice is the key here)

[AMS]

I can't imagine taking a case before speaking to the defendant. Do we know if yesterday in court was the first meeting of Lyon and Casey?

I just rewatched the first few minutes of the hearing. It seems like Casey and Lyon may have already met. I didn't see any introduction being made when Casey came in and Lyon gave her a casual "good morning".

http://www.wftv.com/video/19590215/index.html

imo

[Neffy]

I am looking forward to reading a well thought out, coherent motion in this case from the defense. Sheesh. I doubt she can prove what she says given the FACTS of the case and the timing (finding the body and the evidence at the scene), but it will be interesting to see what she comes up with once she is familiar with the case.

Linda Drane Burdick is a formidable adversary. IMO, this is where the roller coastering starts with our stomachs watching this unfold LOL!

[sammy62]

Did our poster Peter ever get the info he was looking for from his Bounty hunter friend?

I may have missed it.

I'll go look for his posts

[cassidy]

The defense attorney's win. They bumped up one for the "win" column and increase their marketable value.

If a guilty person walks, then the defense didn't really "win" either. Except on their own personal scoreboard. Sad commentary on our justice system and the way it has evolved. IMO

[Neffy]

Did our poster Peter ever get the info he was looking for from his Bounty hunter friend?

I may have missed it.

I haven't seen Peter on the board since. I don't think he knew how far that would spread. I'm sure this bounty hunter can trace the info given back to Peter. I'm sure it wasn't told to him in confidentiality as they didn't even know each other so there should be no problem there. Peter wanted to remain to this bounty hunter as less involved regarding this and that cover was sure blown should they talk again LOL.

[ellegna]

Good morning everyone! Thanks for all those great links
Des.

Last night Nancy Grace discussed whether or not what the jail did was "legal" here is her discussion with Mr. Sheaffer, the legal analyst from WFTV:

BILL SHEAFFER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTY. WFTV LEGAL ANALYST, IN COURT TODAY: It was a common area and that in and of itself, in my mind, defeats this claim that there was some violation of her right to privacy. I mean, where was she? She`s in the Orange County jail, for heaven`s sakes.

GRACE: And let me point out not too delicately, Mr. Sheaffer, that she`s in jail. They can watch her take a poop if they want to much less sit in a common area with other people.

And also, Mr. Sheaffer, I know you and I have traditionally been on different sides of the fence, but let me remind you of the U.S. Supreme Court case and the Christian Burial case which we all learned in law school. The cops can even trick somebody, for instance, into a confession as long as their constitutional rights are not violated.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/28/ng.01.html

Our Nancy has such a descriptive way with words, don't she? :biggrin:

Good morning Scamp and all

I am sure Florida jails are no different than ours here in Ontario.
Inmates are made aware from the get go not to expect any privacy unless in conference with their attorney.
Signs are posted everywhere reminding inmates, visitors, etc that every inch of the facility is being monitored and recorded. Crying the boo hoo hoos your privacy was violated because you were taped sitting in a common area would not wash here.
There is a reason jails have surveillance. It's to ensure security and safety.
For arguments sake. Let's say something questionable happened to Casey while in that common area. Casey's word against the CO's. JB discovers that incident was not recorded. Who do you think would be screaming at the top of his lungs demanding to know why no video? :sneaky:

[Elle]

I still believe they may try to throw Cindy under the bus. Overbearing, controlling mother. Casey was afriad of her which is why she did not report Caylee missing. This would be more believable than a Jesse story.

imo
Overbearing and controlling, yes, but I do not believe Casey was ever afraid of Cindy.I think when she was being questioned at Universal and a question was asked about her mother, that she saw that as a possible out for not reporting Caylee missing and went with it.
I do think you are right though about throwing her under the bus.

imo

[desmom]

***snipped***

I'm not a big supporter of the DP but I am wondering how Ms Lyons justifies saving Casey's life when Casey showed total disregard for Caylee's life? I guess I just don't understand how one justifies getting a guilty person off, just for the sake of being "better" than the other side? If Casey is truly guilty and she walks, who "wins"?

JMO

IMO, a LWOP sentence is classified as a "win" for Ms. Lyon.

I do not have a problem with Casey spending every day of the rest of her life behind bars...hopefully with access to a tv, newspapers and radio so she can keep up with the club scene in Orlando.

jmo

[Neffy]

If a guilty person walks, then the defense didn't really "win" either. Except on their own personal scoreboard. Sad commentary on our justice system and the way it has evolved. IMO

They did win. They didn't win to you but they did win.

[jammies]

I haven't seen Peter on the board since. I don't think he knew how far that would spread. I'm sure this bounty hunter can trace the info given back to Peter. I'm sure it wasn't told to him in confidentiality as they didn't even know each other so there should be no problem there. Peter wanted to remain to this bounty hunter as less involved regarding this and that cover was sure blown should they talk again LOL.


Thanks, Neffy. Was just curious if he had put more info out in public. Plus, I'm nosey!

[desmom]

From April 14, 2009: http://www.wftv.com/news/19179038/detail.html#-

Two new aggravating circumstances, involving child killers that Florida jurors can now consider in deciding whether to recommend the death penalty, give more weight to prosecutors in the case.

One is that the victim was under 12 years old and the other is that the child killer was in a position of trust or control.

[Scampi]

good Morning,

I have been following this case from day 31, and I do not understand the loyalty that casey seems to have for Jose baez. He is a blustering wind that is looking for his storm page in the history books of crimminal justice. However, he will not earn his storm status, nor will he earn an acquittal or any leniency for his client.

This has been made even more curious by the rumors that a very wealthy couple for whatever reason is funding this defense. Combine that rumor and the irrational loyalty with aallegations that george or possibly other family members are mobbed up, and not necessarily the traditional mob, and yet another new volume can be added to this collection of tragedies.

Good Morning Scampi. (So far you're the only one I recognize.) Glad to see you're back in your normally festive attire.


Edited to add: with Lyons being the DP qualified attorney, won't Jose have to give up his queen bee status? From what I have read, this attorney has experience getting her hands dirty and knows her way around. What makes anybody think that she won't end up running this case the way it should have been in the first place?


Hey Desti!! Yes, Lyon's may talk the company line of being an "equal" member of the "team" but imo, she is going to run this show. This is one smart and savvy woman, she will not allow jose to jeopardize casey anthony's life with his incompetency.

[ellegna]

Did our poster Peter ever get the info he was looking for from his Bounty hunter friend?

I may have missed it.

Peter posted a few times yesterday afternoon.
Go back and start with his post #211

[Ckrdpast]

something is definately up with Cindy

watch cindy's demeanor in the first 25 seconds of this video at last TUESDAY'S hearing...she seems to look directly into the camera ...she even manages a smile

http://in.truveo.com/raw-video-tuesday%E2%80%99s-motion-hearing-in-casey-case/id/3630714864

then THURSDAY-a court hearing is cancelled supposedly because Brad hurt his back

now watch cindys demeanor when she enters and sits down in the courtroom yesterday - how her eyes are shifty and shakes her head when watching LKB or so it appears to be LKB she is shaking her head at

http://www.wftv.com/video/19590215/index.html

its apparent to me--something is NOT RIGHT on Hopespring Dr

[AMS]

From April 14, 2009: http://www.wftv.com/news/19179038/detail.html#-

Two new aggravating circumstances, involving child killers that Florida jurors can now consider in deciding whether to recommend the death penalty, give more weight to prosecutors in the case.

One is that the victim was under 12 years old and the other is that the child killer was in a position of trust or control.

Yes and Yes. Ba-da-bing...ba-da-boom! DP for the OC will stand!

imo

[Neffy]

From April 14, 2009: http://www.wftv.com/news/19179038/detail.html#-

Two new aggravating circumstances, involving child killers that Florida jurors can now consider in deciding whether to recommend the death penalty, give more weight to prosecutors in the case.

One is that the victim was under 12 years old and the other is that the child killer was in a position of trust or control.


Whoo hoo Tooooodd! You reading? :)

[destiny1]

The biggest part of a death qualified attorney's job is the penalty phase. To get the jurors to believe their side. To make them feel the mitigating factors they present outway the aggravating ones the State presents.

ITA, some dramatic flair can only help.

In my opinion, this new attorney already knows that she is guilty but is there to try to find some mitigating factor as to what made casey murder caylee, a helpless two and a half year old. any mitigating factors there would have to be pure fantasy. Maybe they should have gone with the insanity defence If they are going to try that one.
do I have this right?

Aggravating would be Caseys profound hatred of the child and the responsibilities surrounding the child, Caseys hatred of Cindy, Caseys appetite for the night life, Caseys lifelong lack of any type of responsibility.

Mitigating would be Caseys victimization by Caylee Casey's upstaging by Caylee. Poor Casey being a young woman who should be living her life and not caring for a "snot face" Cindy's browbeating of casey and the whole family.

It all sounds like a cesspool of family filth that will just send them off in circles if you ask me. This will not go over well with any jury, IMO.


Good luck with all of that

[lizzard]

My thinking is there will be no defense for CA, other then JB trying to put doubt into what the pros say. They think you have to prove she did it and unless you have a video of her doing it, she did'nt and therefore CA should be set free.

Add in "so there!" and I think you've got it! :thumbup:

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

***snipped***

I'm not a big supporter of the DP but I am wondering how Ms Lyons justifies saving Casey's life when Casey showed total disregard for Caylee's life? I guess I just don't understand how one justifies getting a guilty person off, just for the sake of being "better" than the other side? If Casey is truly guilty and she walks, who "wins"?

JMO

None of that matters to a opponent of the DP.

What most of us see is different than what they see.

They see all lives worth saving. That the DP is biased, wrong, and should be abolished.

And it is IMO that 98% of the time, the State seeking the DP has all their ducks lined up to show that they have the right person. The evidence is there. And a DP attorney knows that the chance of them getting such a person acquitted is very, very low.

The penalty phase is their ball game. To spare the life of the client. Similar to any attorney, who will try to get the best sentence for their client.

There used to be a poster here that I butted heads with, badly, over the Couey case. She worked as an opponent for the DP. She would interview clients, their families, friends, dig up what ever she could, to help the attorney present mitigating factors to the jury.

Did she think Couey was a POS? Oh yeah!! But she didn't think he should die.

[Neffy]

Peter posted a few times yesterday afternoon.
Go back and start with his post #211

Oh good, he did post. Tx for bringing this up.

[doradoll]

in that nice article posted yesterday from 2005, with all the quotes from Lyon's dad, it says

Lyon has said that she doesn't believe in "pure evil," that for every violent crime there is a reason, "a dark and complex key out of the defendant's childhood."

Cindy is not going to like this. I don't think she is too much in the loop of her daughter's defense, given Casey's snub yesterday. She is legally an adult, and if mom and day aren't paying, these attorneys don't have to tell them anything.

(going back to find the link that I lost with the quote)

ps Lyon is a single mom to a 9 year old girl

link http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/11/behind_the_musi.html

go down to the part about the "angel of mercy"
interesting family

[sammy62]

Not sure if I'm allowed to quote his links. So here they are 5/26 (Tues) post 273. 5/27 (Wed) post 211

[destiny1]

From April 14, 2009: http://www.wftv.com/news/19179038/detail.html#-

Two new aggravating circumstances, involving child killers that Florida jurors can now consider in deciding whether to recommend the death penalty, give more weight to prosecutors in the case.

One is that the victim was under 12 years old and the other is that the child killer was in a position of trust or control.


I will never understand this: A murder of a child under the age of twelve is somehow more aggravating than murdering a 12 year old or older? I have children, nieces, and nephews, and I have always thought of a child murder , or any murder like that ans aggravating, heinous, and abhorrent.

Children are supposed to be able to trust the adults in their lives, so any child murdered by a known family member or friend was in a position of trust, bu ideals, not necessarily reality, and that is too aggravating, whether the child was in the actual care of the person or not.

[AMS]

Whoo hoo Tooooodd! You reading? :)

O/T - when you wrote Tooooodd that way, all I could think of was Todd and Lisa Loopner for the old Saturday Night Live show.

imo

[jakee]

I can't imagine taking a case before speaking to the defendant. Do we know if yesterday in court was the first meeting of Lyon and Casey?

It bothers me that A Lyon says Casey is innocent but yet says she is not up on the facts of the case yet (paraphrasing) I know Public defenders are assigned to defendants, but in cases such as Casey's, I would think you would want to know the facts and decide for yourself in guilt or innocence and go from there before claiming on the courthouse steps in her innocence. IMO, Just bothers me. :smile:

[Elle]

From April 14, 2009: http://www.wftv.com/news/19179038/detail.html#-

Two new aggravating circumstances, involving child killers that Florida jurors can now consider in deciding whether to recommend the death penalty, give more weight to prosecutors in the case.

One is that the victim was under 12 years old and the other is that the child killer was in a position of trust or control.

Not just a position of trust but THE ultimate position of trust.

imo

[msgatorslayer]

It bothers me that A Lyon says Casey is innocent but yet says she is not up on the facts of the case yet (paraphrasing) I know Public defenders are assigned to defendants, but in cases such as Casey's, I would think you would want to know the facts and decide for yourself in guilt or innocence and go from there before claiming on the courthouse steps in her innocence. IMO, Just bothers me. :smile:

Maybe, in attorney-speak, she means Casey is innocent of killing Caylee by heinous means. Or that it wasn't premeditated.:wink: A couple of the biggie's for aggravating factors.

[Neffy]

Hey Desti!! Yes, Lyon's may talk the company line of being an "equal" member of the "team" but imo, she is going to run this show. This is one smart and savvy woman, she will not allow jose to jeopardize casey anthony's life with his incompetency.

ITA. The buck stops with her as Lead no matter what she says.

The law states what is needed that is a LEAD ATTORNEY with her qualifications. Not an equal member of a team. :rolleyes:

No equality about it accept to stroke the co-councils egos.

If she is as she states co-council and is tricking the system and just lending her credentials to Jose and co, she needs to be removed HA!

[Neffy]

O/T - when you wrote Tooooodd that way, all I could think of was Todd and Lisa Loopner for the old Saturday Night Live show.

imo

AHHH! That's exactly how I intended it. I couldn't remember their names except to say Gilda Radner and Bill Murray. Yep Toooooodd!

That's exactly who he reminds me of after that juvenile spout off at the presser yesterday.

[desmom]

something is definately up with Cindy

watch cindy's demeanor in the first 25 seconds of this video at last TUESDAY'S hearing...she seems to look directly into the camera ...she even manages a smile

http://in.truveo.com/raw-video-tuesday%E2%80%99s-motion-hearing-in-casey-case/id/3630714864

then THURSDAY-a court hearing is cancelled supposedly because Brad hurt his back

now watch cindys demeanor when she enters and sits down in the courtroom yesterday - how her eyes are shifty and shakes her head when watching LKB or so it appears to be LKB she is shaking her head at

http://www.wftv.com/video/19590215/index.html

its apparent to me--something is NOT RIGHT on Hopespring Dr

Good catch! In the 2nd link Cindy is looking directly at LKB and shaking her head like she is disgusted.

The 2nd link does not show G & C when they lst entered the courtroom yesterday. Cindy went over to the Prosecution side of the room and began to sit down before George directed her to the defense side of the room. jmo

[ish]

I just rewatched the first few minutes of the hearing. It seems like Casey and Lyon may have already met. I didn't see any introduction being made when Casey came in and Lyon gave her a casual "good morning".

http://www.wftv.com/video/19590215/index.html

imo

I would think if Lyon was visiting Casey in jail prior to this hearing, the press would have been all over it. There has been a lot of speculation on who this new attorney would be, I can't believe one of the news organizations isn't keeping track of Casey's visitors log. Maybe they met prior to going into the courtroom but I doubt Lyon has been to the jail.

[kOOkie1]

in that nice article posted yesterday from 2005, with all the quotes from Lyon's dad, it says

Lyon has said that she doesn't believe in "pure evil," that for every violent crime there is a reason, "a dark and complex key out of the defendant's childhood."

Cindy is not going to like this. I don't think she is too much in the loop of her daughter's defense, given Casey's snub yesterday. She is legally an adult, and if mom and day aren't paying, these attorneys don't have to tell them anything.

(going back to find the link that I lost with the quote)

ps Lyon is a single mom to a 9 year old girl

link http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/11/behind_the_musi.html

go down to the part about the "angel of mercy"
interesting family


Thanks..hmm interesting.
I dont believe in that theory at all. I just think that gives an "evil"-criminal an excuse to justify their actions. Interesting to see how she will apply this to Casey..Cindy better run for cover!

[SandyO]

ITA. The buck stops with her as Lead no matter what she says.

The law states what is needed that is a LEAD ATTORNEY with her qualifications. Not an equal member of a team. :rolleyes:

No equality about it accept to stroke the co-councils egos.

If she is as she states co-council and is tricking the system and just lending her credentials to Jose and co, she needs to be removed HA!

I'm thinking that's exactly how she means it, Neffy. Her job will be to avoid the death penalty at all costs because she is an activist. Her focus is not in getting Casey off with a not guilty verdict, but just to avoid a death sentence. Therefore, she can see herself as simply a member of the "team", and leave defending Casey up to Baez.

[cassidy]

Good catch! In the 2nd link Cindy is looking directly at LKB and shaking her head like she is disgusted.



There is clearly disapproval in her look. But I think she was including Lyons in that look too (watch the video again). Cindy isn't happy with either of them IMO

[Ckrdpast]

Good catch! In the 2nd link Cindy is looking directly at LKB and shaking her head like she is disgusted.

The 2nd link does not show G & C when they lst entered the courtroom yesterday. Cindy went over to the Prosecution side of the room and began to sit down before George directed her to the defense side of the room. jmo


wow any body know what a "tell" is in poker???

perhaps thats what THAT was all about

[cassidy]

I'm thinking that's exactly how she means it, Neffy. Her job will be to avoid the death penalty at all costs because she is an activist. Her focus is not in getting Casey off with a not guilty verdict, but just to avoid a death sentence. Therefore, she can see herself as simply a member of the "team", and leave defending Casey up to Baez.


I don't know Sandy. She really seemed to take over in the interview yesterday. I don't think she is taking 2nd chair to anyone, much less Jose. Between her and LKB, he's gonna get squeezed out. IMO

[kOOkie1]

There is clearly disapproval in her look. But I think she was including Lyons in that look too (watch the video again). Cindy isn't happy with either of them IMO

I noticed that yesterday as well..Cindy def. gave a once over-disgusted look:w00t:

[cassidy]

wow any body know what a "tell" is in poker???

perhaps thats what THAT was all about

Is that kind of like tipping your hand?

[Neffy]

I have never been a juror but seeing that amount of attorney's sitting at a defendants table would raise my antenna. I wonder how something like this harms a case for a defendant.

[breezie]

Whoo hoo Tooooodd! You reading? :)

It would really help if those high powered ::cough:: attorneys from out of state were up on Florida's laws before they open their mouths. I was praying someone would answer him with the law at that presser.

[breezie]

I have never been a juror but seeing that amount of attorney's sitting at a defendants table would raise my antenna. I wonder how something like this harms a case for a defendant.

I felt the Spector 1 case was disjointed and incoherent with so many attorneys at the table. You also have to wonder what's the real need for that many...

Of course, with Baez alone, his case will seem disjointed and incoherent, so I guess no harm no foul for Casey and her army of big butt attorneys.

[SandyO]

I don't know Sandy. She really seemed to take over in the interview yesterday. I don't think she is taking 2nd chair to anyone, much less Jose. Between her and LKB, he's gonna get squeezed out. IMO

No doubt these are powerful women and Baez will have to defer to them, but I still think A. Lyon's dog in this fight is avoiding the death penalty, not in getting a not guilty verdict for the client. Of course they'd LIKE to get a not guilty verdict, but they are certainly not stupid and A. Lyon doesn't have to search much further into this case to recognize that Casey is certainly guilty. She simply believes that the death penalty is wrong and there is redemption for everyone.

[Cynthia]

Baez will be pushed to the back and be in charge of taking notes before it is all said and done....

[Ckrdpast]

Is that kind of like tipping your hand?

from Wiki

A tell in poker is a subtle but detectable change in a player's behavior or demeanor that gives clues to that player's assessment of his hand. A player gains an advantage if he observes and understands the meaning of another player's tell, particularly if the tell is unconscious and reliable. Sometimes a player may fake a tell, hoping to induce his opponents to make poor judgments in response to the false tell.

[sammy62]

There is clearly disapproval in her look. But I think she was including Lyons in that look too (watch the video again). Cindy isn't happy with either of them IMO

CA didn't seem to happy with brad lately. Tuesday she basically snubbed him, and yesterday we didn't see her acknowledge him either

[cassidy]

I noticed that yesterday as well..Cindy def. gave a once over-disgusted look:w00t:

I think that Cindy and George are not at all being included in Casey's defense. Meaning that the new attorney's being brought on board are not even concerned with them. They probably haven't even met them. Cindy isn't in the "inner circle" anymore and that has to tick her off.

JMO

[cassidy]

No doubt these are powerful women and Baez will have to defer to them, but I still think A. Lyon's dog in this fight is avoiding the death penalty, not in getting a not guilty verdict for the client. Of course they'd LIKE to get a not guilty verdict, but they are certainly not stupid and A. Lyon doesn't have to search much further into this case to recognize that Casey is certainly guilty. She simply believes that the death penalty is wrong and there is redemption for everyone.

Casey can redeem herself via LWOP . That works.
JMO

[desmom]

There is clearly disapproval in her look. But I think she was including Lyons in that look too (watch the video again). Cindy isn't happy with either of them IMO

hmmm, could be. I see LKB's back and then Cindy shaking her head.

Is she disgusted because LKB was able to out talk her, JB's choice of attorneys to defend Casey or JB's choices are not a "10"? jmo

[SandyO]

Casey can redeem herself via LWOP . That works.
JMO

It sure does, and that's why I don't care about A. Lyon.

[desmom]

I have never been a juror but seeing that amount of attorney's sitting at a defendants table would raise my antenna. I wonder how something like this harms a case for a defendant.

IMO, that is going to be a turn off to any juror that is from the hard working middle class especially if they ever had a family member that had to use a public defender.

[desmom]

Baez will be pushed to the back and be in charge of taking notes before it is all said and done....

Isn't that what an intern does? :tonguewag:

[kOOkie1]

I think that Cindy and George are not at all being included in Casey's defense. Meaning that the new attorney's being brought on board are not even concerned with them. They probably haven't even met them. Cindy isn't in the "inner circle" anymore and that has to tick her off.

JMO

Ohh you know it!! Cindy was all up in Casey's life and not having control is going to drive her crazy or crazier- Also with it being a Female that is in charge even adds fire to the mix..I dont see CA as someone who gets along with other women very well:mellow:

[Dick Tracy]

Morning All,

I understand the defense waterboy is already lining up talk shows. Part of the defense, I'm sure. Baez thinks that this trial is going to make him famous. I agree. It will show him being famously inexperienced as a trial lawyer, and it will show him being famously concerned with only thing - getting his FACE out to AMERICA. You know he's loving bumping elbows with the likes of Matt Lauer, et. al.

[cassidy]

hmmm, could be. I see LKB's back and then Cindy shaking her head.

Is she disgusted because LKB was able to out talk her, JB's choice of attorneys to defend Casey or JB's choices are not a "10"? jmo

Bet none of the new attorney's give Cindy the time of day. That'd be enough for her to shoot dirty looks their way :)
JMO

[ish]

Jose said both correctional officers that he deposed said that what they did to Casey was cruel and unusual :confused: What about what she did to poor Caylee? I can't understand why Jose is making such an ordeal out of that video. It has nothing to do with the case against his client. He has bigger fish to fry imo

whats cruel about it? She had a radio in her cell, she was listening to the news, she knew there was a body found and where. She was already upset when the Officer came to get her. I say too bad if she expended a bit of emotion over it, it was a refreshing change from the indifference to her daughter's whereabouts she expressed back on July 15th.

[Cynthia]

Isn't that what an intern does? :tonguewag:

Haha...sure does. Let me rethink this, Baez may not be qualified for note taking. :lol:

[ish]

Bet none of the new attorney's give Cindy the time of day. That'd be enough for her to shoot dirty looks their way :)
JMO

It looked to me like she was trying to get a good look at the defense table and was "fhustrated" cause she couldn't see Casey from her seat.
Didn't Natisha Lance offer to change seats so Cindy would be closer to Casey and Cindy refused?

[ish]

Baez will be pushed to the back and be in charge of taking notes before it is all said and done....

My take on this is that Casey is very involved in her defense, I think that is one reason Baez had not sought a plea. Casey refuses to.
IF the bond is that strong between Baez and Casey, I think she will allow him to be the guiding force in which direction the case goes. Lyon will be relegated to the penalty phase.

[bballgrl]

Hiya A!! I absolutely think Lyon's first priority will be to sit down with casey anthony and make certain she understands the legal situation she is in and then outline all options.

The OC will stick to her ridiculous claim of innocence and Lyon will take it from there.

Did you watch the after court mini pc with all of the defense lawyers? That pc told the tale, baez had the case taken from him right there on the courthouse steps, imo. Andrea Lyon knows what she is doing and will run this case accordingly. The OC is very lucky to have her.

I am looking forward to reading her motions, it will be a pleasure after the gibberish from baez.

Hey Scamp... I only got to see bitys and pieces of the hearing yesterday (work was intruding) and someone mentioned that Ms Lyons told Casey to stop writing notes... Did that really happen? And, did Casey REALLY listen? LOL

[Neffy]

I'm thinking that's exactly how she means it, Neffy. Her job will be to avoid the death penalty at all costs because she is an activist. Her focus is not in getting Casey off with a not guilty verdict, but just to avoid a death sentence. Therefore, she can see herself as simply a member of the "team", and leave defending Casey up to Baez.

Looking at it from your view point they certainly are tipping their hand.

For a team that wants to keep their strategy so secretative they sure fail miserably.

[Facinated]

My take on CiA's demeanor yesterday is that she is starting to realize this whole charade is just that.... heading first to the prosecution's side of the court was perhaps a subliminal message that, that is where she should be.

Then the shaking of her head while looking at the defence team was the realization that her daughter will be "toast", literally!

I think the reality of everything his hitting her hard on the head and my gut tells me.... we won't be seeing much of her in public now until this case is done.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

For example they say they want phone records for Kronk Amy Jesse but the other people are smokescreens they want to get at Jesse. What I dont like is that the DP lawyer said innocent which makes me think they are going to try to frame Jesse.



Good morning explorer and everyone,


I am thinking just like you...they are not going to be so stupid as to stick with the Zanny the nanny story.....From what I gathered from listening to this "Andrea Lyons" is that the defense is going "Casey being set up" defense and it would be none other than "Jesse Grund" or "Amy H"....

They will probably try and say that whom ever Casey thought was Zenaida Gonzales was infact someone that was set up to murder Caylee...and put the blame on Casey...It looks like they are going to turn this case into a big conspiracy to murder a poor little child....Ridiculous as it sounds, I wouldn't put it past any one of those lawyers......

Now, it's going to depend on the jury....I just pray that this prosecution scrutinizes each and every juror to check for "weak links" (which is wat this defense is going to rely on.....

However, I said it before and I will say it again...IF, by any mere chance they succeed in convincing ONE juror, that will be all they will be able to accomplish, the other 11 will make for a retrial...and at a retrial, poor Casey will be left with nothing but legal aide to defend...because all these biggies will dump her in a minute....they only want a hung jury that's all....nothing else....a hung jury will give them all the publicity that they were seeking.....jmo

[SandyO]

My take on this is that Casey is very involved in her defense, I think that is one reason Baez had not sought a plea. Casey refuses to.
IF the bond is that strong between Baez and Casey, I think she will allow him to be the guiding force in which direction the case goes. Lyon will be relegated to the penalty phase.

You've really got it right, Ish. Casey has never been one to think ahead, she just lives in the moment, and for now that is her fondness for Baez. We can all see it's not in her best interest, but Casey just doesn't see things in the long term or recognize possible consequences ahead.

[Barbara fl.]

My take on CiA's demeanor yesterday is that she is starting to realize this whole charade is just that.... heading first to the prosecution's side of the court was perhaps a subliminal message that, that is where she should be.

Then the shaking of her head while looking at the defence team was the realization that her daughter will be "toast", literally!

I think the reality of everything his hitting her hard on the head and my gut tells me.... we won't be seeing much of her in public now until this case is done.

JMO


You could be right.....I noticed that she had signs of real tears being shed...However, I thought that maybe she had spoken to "Andrea Lyons" prior to going into court and what ever AL might have said to her....gave an insight of the reality that she was going to be faced with.....which is basically what you are saying....But I don't believe that C & G will ever go to the other side....They will go down with their daughter JMO

[desmom]

Was Casey death penalty a Lamar blunder?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_columnist_mikethomas/2009/05/was-casey-death-penalty-a-lamar-blunder.html

I'd no more let Baez defend my life than I'd let Fred Flinstone remove my brain tumor.

Gotta run. Check in later.

[doradoll]

You could be right.....I noticed that she had signs of real tears being shed...However, I thought that maybe she had spoken to "Andrea Lyons" prior to going into court and what ever AL might have said to her....gave an insight of the reality that she was going to be faced with.....which is basically what you are saying....But I don't believe that C & G will ever go to the other side....They will go down with their daughter JMO


yes, i agree on all that

[Explorer]

That whole anthony family is diabolical. They are disrespectful to their own and they are disrespectful to others.

[Barbara fl.]

I'm thinking that's exactly how she means it, Neffy. Her job will be to avoid the death penalty at all costs because she is an activist. Her focus is not in getting Casey off with a not guilty verdict, but just to avoid a death sentence. Therefore, she can see herself as simply a member of the "team", and leave defending Casey up to Baez.

But that isn't what she said on camera...she stated that the first and utmost is to prove that Casey is not guilty...and to prove that the state erred in putting on the dp in a case such as this...(I guess she doesn't know Florida too well :biggrin:)....but in anycase she is not here to give mitigating circumstances as to why Casey should not receive the DP....

I personally never thought that Casey WOULD get the dp....under the circumstances that her mother turned her in would have probably been enough for the judge to give LWOP...

No, I think this Andrea Lyons is here to conduct this trial....Even though I know that Baez wont take the back seat....he just might have to, for this woman......JMO

[doradoll]

I am in favor of LWOP, anyway. She won't get all the costly guaranteed appeals and she won't get her own "room". As a citizen of Florida, I am sick of the costs incurred involving the death penalty. Plus, Casey would enjoy the appeal process too much. If she gets LWOP, these attorneys will drop her off at the big house and go onto the next story.

[Explorer]

I see huge problems with this defense. They all have enormous egos and so does the defendant. How will this work?:confused: :w00t:

[SandyO]

If she is a talented attorney it's a shame she wants to waste her life saving the lives of the worst of the worst so they can sit and rot a few extra years, write a book and try to convince us they've got religion.

Apparently she doesn't believe in pure evil but I don't think she has met Cindy yet. :ohmy:

She's an activist. A very smart, passionate and accomplished activist. Period. I don't doubt for one second she will be successful in this case, but only in escaping the death penalty ----- not in escaping a guilty verdict.

[doradoll]

But that isn't what she said on camera...she stated that the first and utmost is to prove that Casey is not guilty...and to prove that the state erred in putting on the dp in a case such as this...(I guess she doesn't know Florida too well :biggrin:)....but in anycase she is not here to give mitigating circumstances as to why Casey should not receive the DP....

I personally never thought that Casey WOULD get the dp....under the circumstances that her mother turned her in would have probably been enough for the judge to give LWOP...

No, I think this Andrea Lyons is here to conduct this trial....Even though I know that Baez wont take the back seat....he just might have to, for this woman......JMO

don't you think all attorneys say the client is not guilty until proven guilty? .... semantics

[Explorer]

I thought she said caA was innocent.

[sammy62]

My take on CiA's demeanor yesterday is that she is starting to realize this whole charade is just that.... heading first to the prosecution's side of the court was perhaps a subliminal message that, that is where she should be.

Then the shaking of her head while looking at the defence team was the realization that her daughter will be "toast", literally!

I think the reality of everything his hitting her hard on the head and my gut tells me.... we won't be seeing much of her in public now until this case is done.

JMO

I'm thinking you may be right....cuz she "allowed" George to go on alone the other day.

[Snoopy50]

I felt the Spector 1 case was disjointed and incoherent with so many attorneys at the table. You also have to wonder what's the real need for that many...

Of course, with Baez alone, his case will seem disjointed and incoherent, so I guess no harm no foul for Casey and her army of big butt attorneys.
Thank you Breezie, for your end remark....I just destroyed my keyboard with spewed coffee.:glare:
Good morning everyone, we have been away. I watched some of the hearing yesterday, and was entertained by Jose as usual. My question: WHO is paying for this team of attorneys?:confused:

[doradoll]

I thought she said caA was innocent.

ok, innocent until proven guilty

[Explorer]

ok, innocent until proven guilty

Its just that there is a difference between innocent and not guilty.

[SandyO]

But that isn't what she said on camera...she stated that the first and utmost is to prove that Casey is not guilty...and to prove that the state erred in putting on the dp in a case such as this...(I guess she doesn't know Florida too well :biggrin:)....but in anycase she is not here to give mitigating circumstances as to why Casey should not receive the DP....

I personally never thought that Casey WOULD get the dp....under the circumstances that her mother turned her in would have probably been enough for the judge to give LWOP...

No, I think this Andrea Lyons is here to conduct this trial....Even though I know that Baez wont take the back seat....he just might have to, for this woman......JMO

You are right in that she is a TANK rolling in, but remember that Casey is ultimately the decision maker, and I don't believe she's ready to give Baez the heave ho.

[cassidy]

I thought she said caA was innocent.

That's what I heard her say, but then she went on to say she wasn't familiar with the case yet. So far it's just attorney-speak. Although I doubt we'll ever hear her say "My client is guilty".

IMO

[ish]

If Baez :drool: is going to try to make Jesse Grund the "real killer" as a defense, I think he will fail as badly as he will with the invisinanny defense. A jury will easily see that Jesse was way too good for the OC and loved Caylee a million times more than any of the Anthony Crime Family ever did. No go, Jose! :punch:

As for the removal of the memorial on Suburban Drive I would say it has all the markings of an Anthony production. Past history shows us they don't like anyone actually mourning or even acknowledging Caylee's death, and they immediately removed two previous makeshift memorials, so logic and past behavior point squarely to the infamous ACF and boss Evil Cindy. :scared:

I wonder if Jesse Grund were the real killer of Caylee, what would the ANthony family deem an appropriate punishment? How can Lyon and Baez argue this is not a death penalty case when Baez has told us that "we don't know how Caylee died" or under what circumstances.
What scenario is he going to put before the jury to deflect guilt onto Jesse and how is he going to explain the fact that Casey allowed LE to arrest and charge her with Caylee's death when in fact she had information since shared with her defense attorney and never with LE that implicates Jesse. and why did she give information casting suspicion on a ficticious person .

[Barbara fl.]

She's an activist. A very smart, passionate and accomplished activist. Period. I don't doubt for one second she will be successful in this case, but only in escaping the death penalty ----- not in escaping a guilty verdict.


I hope so very much that you are correct.....she scares me and I don't scare easily....This woman knows just what she is doing...with less than 5 minutes in front of the camera, she sounded more confident in herself than all the rest.....

Baez might not have a say so in taking the back seat for this woman....this case has become too involved with some very high profile experts attached to it...I believe that they are NOT going to let Baez make them look anything other than the best.....

Let's face it Baez is the weakest link in this team.....I can not see him in control any longer......JMO

[aproudmom]

GOOD Morning Sunshine's it's aproudmom...lol...I love Robin Meade on HLN so I am stealing her opening:biggrin:

[Imperfect4]

I don't know Sandy. She really seemed to take over in the interview yesterday. I don't think she is taking 2nd chair to anyone, much less Jose. Between her and LKB, he's gonna get squeezed out. IMO

Seems to me, if Lyon is passionate about saving Casey's (miserable) life, she has to be just as passionate about getting Baez out of the way. You wouldn't think it possible, but imo, Baez actually makes Casey look worse than she makes herself look. Without Baez, Casey might have approximately a snowball's chance in he!! of getting LWOP. With Baez at the helm, she has not even that chance. imo

[kjt200]

Good Morning Everyone,

A question about the defense approach at trial...................

So Casey throws out the "Zanny" did it thing to LE backed up with her odd story of leaving her child at Sawgrass on the day in question. She later speaks of the park abduction alternative but not to LE, only to her family members. So, the only certified statements made by Casey to LE link back to the original Sawgrass story. Right?

Fast forward to trial...............(I figure I will be 55 or so by the time the dang thing moves to trial............I'm 50 now)

All the TH keep yapping about how the defense need to abandon the "Zanny the Nanny" story. It also seems as if the defense is starting to lay the groundwork to pin reasonable doubt onto the possibility that Jessie Grund did this horrible thing (I'm sorry, but there is a special place in hell for people who try to pin this murder on an innocent man)..

But, how do they actually move from one theory to another in the courtroom?????

Casey will never testify. LE will show original statements which have nothing to do with Jessie and everything to do with the Nanny who is clearly described as a woman......

Who exactly do they put on the stand to back up the new theory? What evidence do the actually use????? Does the defense just stand up and lie during opening and closing statements and hope a juror is so blind that they dismiss everything admitted into evidence??

Thoughts??

Thanks for listening. My own opinion of course. Be well...

[cassidy]

I hope so very much that you are correct.....she scares me and I don't scare easily....This woman knows just what she is doing...with less than 5 minutes in front of the camera, she sounded more confident in herself than all the rest.....

Baez might not have a say so in taking the back seat for this woman....this case has become too involved with some very high profile experts attached to it...I believe that they are NOT going to let Baez make them look anything other than the best.....

Let's face it Baez is the weakest link in this team.....I can not see him in control any longer......JMO

I agree with you. Ms Lyons has a reputation ( and a good one at that) to preserve. She isn't going to let Jose get in the way. She's leading and Casey's vote doesn't count.

JMO

[Imperfect4]

There is clearly disapproval in her look. But I think she was including Lyons in that look too (watch the video again). Cindy isn't happy with either of them IMO

I wondered aloud yesterday if perhaps Lyon had breakfast with the Anthonys. Cindy looked quite upset yesterday AM at the hearing, and looked as though she'd been crying beforehand. I'm wondering if Lyon didn't give the A's a reality check on how their public appearances are working against Casey.

Imo, Lyon has to get both Baez and G&C to fade to black if she has any chance of saving the odious one's hide.

[aproudmom]

She's an activist. A very smart, passionate and accomplished activist. Period. I don't doubt for one second she will be successful in this case, but only in escaping the death penalty ----- not in escaping a guilty verdict.

Thats good enough for me LWOP

[Barbara fl.]

You are right in that she is a TANK rolling in, but remember that Casey is ultimately the decision maker, and I don't believe she's ready to give Baez the heave ho.

But lets face it, even someone as stupid as Casey has to realize that it's her life on the line.....

Remember the OJ Simpson trial....I forget the lead attorney's name but he wasn't the lead for long.....he was made to sit on the side.....

I just can not see LKB, Macaluso, and this new member Andrea Lyons sitting on the side while someone like Baez runs the show....don't forget, their reputation is also on the line.....

Up until now, I felt that Baez would remain in control....but not after seeing AL.....Now I'm scared....

[Imperfect4]

CA didn't seem to happy with brad lately. Tuesday she basically snubbed him, and yesterday we didn't see her acknowledge him either

No surprise there, imo. There's no way Cindy hangs onto relationships very long. She's abrasive, abusive, and several other words starting with "a".

[girlspell]

I really don't believe Casey will get the DP. We still don't know how Caylee was killed. All of this stuff, duct tape, etc could have been done to cover an accident. Casey will never admit to an accident with Cindy in front of her. She fears her mother's wrath. She hopes for an acquittal because she was used as set up by people (that could be Jesse, etc) out to get her.

So this shift of defense lawyers makes me think that will be the slant. Casey being framed. I'll think she'll be convicted, but depending on how good the new lawyer is..she might actually dodge 1st degree. No matter what happens, she won't end up on death row, even though as a person, she deserves it. :crying:

[Barbara fl.]

Seems to me, if Lyon is passionate about saving Casey's (miserable) life, she has to be just as passionate about getting Baez out of the way. You wouldn't think it possible, but imo, Baez actually makes Casey look worse than she makes herself look. Without Baez, Casey might have approximately a snowball's chance in he!! of getting LWOP. With Baez at the helm, she has not even that chance. imo


I agree........

[cassidy]

But lets face it, even someone as stupid as Casey has to realize that it's her life on the line.....

Remember the OJ Simpson trial....I forget the lead attorney's name but he wasn't the lead for long.....he was made to sit on the side.....

I just can not see LKB, Macaluso, and this new member Andrea Lyons sitting on the side while someone like Baez runs the show....don't forget, their reputation is also on the line.....

Up until now, I felt that Baez would remain in control....but not after seeing AL.....Now I'm scared....

Do you think Casey will walk?

[Facinated]

Last week on NG she had a show dedicated to the men in KC's past.

Don't get me wrong where I am going with this but I could see the defence trying this out as the reason to name JG.....

When the Police were interviewing JG they were asking him where he thought, if KC did any harm to Caylee, where she would have disposed of her. JG mentioned the playhouse specifically and then said she would have probably then moved her to somewhere "close to her home" that she was familiar with.

I just thought it very strange that he had actually predicted those two things correctly. It bugged me when I heard it at first, but then I thought well.... he did know her very well so he guessed right, however, the fact that he was right won't bode well with the defence and they will probably try and make more out of that than they should and they will probably twist the meaning of his Cell texts and conversations with KC to make people believe that he was involved in some way.

For this reason, I agree with an earlier Posters comments that JG better have a good lawyer and people behind him NOW.

JMO

[aproudmom]

I wondered aloud yesterday if perhaps Lyon had breakfast with the Anthonys. Cindy looked quite upset yesterday AM at the hearing, and looked as though she'd been crying beforehand. I'm wondering if Lyon didn't give the A's a reality check on how their public appearances are working against Casey.

Imo, Lyon has to get both Baez and G&C to fade to black if she has any chance of saving the odious one's hide.

I noticed it also CA looked like she had been doing a lot of crying but I thought maybe she had GA poke her in the eye to make it look like she was crying..you could be right though never thought of that...

[SandyO]

But lets face it, even someone as stupid as Casey has to realize that it's her life on the line.....

Remember the OJ Simpson trial....I forget the lead attorney's name but he wasn't the lead for long.....he was made to sit on the side.....

I just can not see LKB, Macaluso, and this new member Andrea Lyons sitting on the side while someone like Baez runs the show....don't forget, their reputation is also on the line.....

Up until now, I felt that Baez would remain in control....but not after seeing AL.....Now I'm scared....

Maybe you're right, Barb. And maybe Baez will be happy to get some relief.

[Barbara fl.]

I really don't believe Casey will get the DP. We still don't know how Caylee was killed. All of this stuff, duct tape, etc could have been done to cover an accident. Casey will never admit to an accident with Cindy in front of her. She fears her mother's wrath. She hopes for an acquittal because she was used as set up by people (that could be Jesse, etc) out to get her.

So this shift of defense lawyers makes me think that will be the slant. Casey being framed. I'll think she'll be convicted, but depending on how good the new lawyer is..she might actually dodge 1st degree. No matter what happens, she won't end up on death row, even though as a person, she deserves it. :crying:

I never really thought that she would get the DP....I'll too be happy with LWOP.....I agree that the strategy is going to be that Casey was set up....however, the accident part was already taken care of by Baez in court yesterday...He said "we are not going to say that this was an accident"...so that said a whole lot...it said that they went over the report and their experts must have agreed that it will never wash in the trial.....so they are not going to take that route....the only route left is "a set up"....

They will drag everyone any anyone to look like the ones who could have done this and Casey was too scared to say anything....JMO

[Cynthia]

Do you think Casey will walk?

I don't...the car with evidence of decomp in it will seal the deal.

[aproudmom]

Last week on NG she had a show dedicated to the men in KC's past.

Don't get me wrong where I am going with this but I could see the defence trying this out as the reason to name JG.....

When the Police were interviewing JG they were asking him where he thought, if KC did any harm to Caylee, where she would have disposed of her. JG mentioned the playhouse specifically and then said she would have probably then moved her to somewhere "close to her home" that she was familiar with.

I just thought it very strange that he had actually predicted those two things correctly. It bugged me when I heard it at first, but then I thought well.... he did know her very well so he guessed right, however, the fact that he was right won't bode well with the defence and they will probably try and make more out of that than they should and they will probably twist the meaning of his Cell texts and conversations with KC to make people believe that he was involved in some way.

For this reason, I agree with an earlier Posters comments that JG better have a good lawyer and people behind him NOW.

JMO

I also noticed that and agree but everyone better have a good lawyer in this case cause they are all the Nanny except KC..Had they already been in the back yard searching when he said that? can not remember if it was before they searched the back yard...

[aproudmom]

OMG Jean K is crying over Lisa Bloom leaving In Session....BYE BYE Lisa

[Scampi]

***snipped***

I'm not a big supporter of the DP but I am wondering how Ms Lyons justifies saving Casey's life when Casey showed total disregard for Caylee's life? I guess I just don't understand how one justifies getting a guilty person off, just for the sake of being "better" than the other side? If Casey is truly guilty and she walks, who "wins"?

JMO

Hi Cass! I think she is among the many who believe the DP is barbaric and makes "us" no better then the criminal. I don't think she believes in no punishment, just no death penalty.

At any rate, if the OC persists in her bogus innocence fairytale, I think Lyon will defend her to the best of her ability and then try to save her life in the penalty phase.

This can get tricky, we may see a completely new defense by the time Lyon researches this case.

[Barbara fl.]

Do you think Casey will walk?


I don't think she will walk...I doubt very much that this team can convince all 12 jurors of anything other than Casey did it...However, it could end in a hung jury, and depending on how hung it will be, will depend on a retrial....11/1, 10/2, 9/3, 8/4 will be a retrial...any odds higher than that the state might not want to invest in another trial......

But as in the latest OJ problem....he got 33 years for what should probably have been thrown out of court...so, Florida charged her with these checks and can put a time on each one....I believe that Florida was thinking ahead and either way Casey wont get out of jail till she is old, if then.....jmo

[GumShoeJoe]

But lets face it, even someone as stupid as Casey has to realize that it's her life on the line.....

Remember the OJ Simpson trial....I forget the lead attorney's name but he wasn't the lead for long.....he was made to sit on the side.....

I just can not see LKB, Macaluso, and this new member Andrea Lyons sitting on the side while someone like Baez runs the show....don't forget, their reputation is also on the line.....

Up until now, I felt that Baez would remain in control....but not after seeing AL.....Now I'm scared....

Don't be scared, be glad that the adults are finally taking over. I am. I would rather see a fair fight than a buffoon who would trip his way right into a guilty verdict. I am glad she and will have a zealous COMPETENT defense attorney. Let them give this their best shot.

[breezie]

don't you think all attorneys say the client is not guilty until proven guilty? .... semantics

most don't go as far as screaming *innocent*. See how well that worked for Geragos in the Scottie trial. Takes them beyond just reasonable doubt in the public's mind. imho.

[Kyleighs nan]

Can someone please tell me if I can find part 2 of yesterdays thread? It says it has moved and dumb me doesn't know how to do anything but lurk. TIA:confused:

[Cynthia]

Don't be scared, be glad that the adults are finally taking over. I am. I would rather see a fair fight than a buffoon who would trip his way right into a guilty verdict. I am glad she and will have a zealous COMPETENT defense attorney. Let them give this their best shot.


I agree....I am ready for an even playing field. Whatever Casey's sentence will be I want it to stick.

[Dells]

Good Morning..
It will be interesting to see how A.Lyons interacts with Casey and if the Jury buys what she is going to be selling. I hope she has better acting skills then Casey when it comes to shedding tears.

You make a great point. No matter how good of an attorney AL is, the jury has to buy what she is selling. I think the fact that this case has so much evidence against Casey does not bode well for her. I don't care how good of an attorney the dream team brings into their fold, I think this will be an unwinnable case for them.

[ruth66]

Good morning explorer and everyone,


I am thinking just like you...they are not going to be so stupid as to stick with the Zanny the nanny story.....From what I gathered from listening to this "Andrea Lyons" is that the defense is going "Casey being set up" defense and it would be none other than "Jesse Grund" or "Amy H"....

They will probably try and say that whom ever Casey thought was Zenaida Gonzales was infact someone that was set up to murder Caylee...and put the blame on Casey...It looks like they are going to turn this case into a big conspiracy to murder a poor little child....Ridiculous as it sounds, I wouldn't put it past any one of those lawyers......


Now, it's going to depend on the jury....I just pray that this prosecution scrutinizes each and every juror to check for "weak links" (which is wat this defense is going to rely on.....

However, I said it before and I will say it again...IF, by any mere chance they succeed in convincing ONE juror, that will be all they will be able to accomplish, the other 11 will make for a retrial...and at a retrial, poor Casey will be left with nothing but legal aide to defend...because all these biggies will dump her in a minute....they only want a hung jury that's all....nothing else....a hung jury will give them all the publicity that they were seeking.....jmo

I too believe that Jessie is going to be the scapegoat after listening to yesterdays hearing. But what would Jessie motive be for killing CAYLEE? They really picked the wrong person to blame it on. But I can see where the groundwork was laid for this defense. You have GA saying that Jessie was jealous that Casey was getting close with her family, CA flat out calling Jessie a suspect and the jailhouse video of Casey saying that Jessie had a key to her car. I sure hope there is video of Casey parking that car at Amscot and no one else going near it. Of all the families to pick on they choose the Grunds. Probably the most respectable people ever associated with this group. They should be ashamed. :thumbdown:

[Dells]

For example they say they want phone records for Kronk Amy Jesse but the other people are smokescreens they want to get at Jesse. What I dont like is that the DP lawyer said innocent which makes me think they are going to try to frame Jesse.

They can try to do that, but nothing ties Jesse to Caylee's murder except the unfortunate circumstance that he happens to know Casey. Wow, it will be a slam dunk for the defense if they try to frame Jesse for this... NOT!:sneaky:

[Barbara fl.]

Maybe you're right, Barb. And maybe Baez will be happy to get some relief.

Well, I don't know how happy he'll be....:crying:...But I don't think he will have a choice....he brought in too many big ones...Baez bit off more than he can chew.....he will not be able to keep up with his own choice of a team....they will chew him up and spit him out in a hurry up......Baez is no match...

I bet they are already on the side talking about how they will get Baez off of this case.....could also be why Cindy showed distress yesterday in court...they could have talkied to her and maybe she finally saw just how bad this situation is for her daughter.....Lawyers like these (aside from Baez) will always talk to the family...and they would be totally up front with the circumstances....they will hold back nothing....

[Imperfect4]

If she is a talented attorney it's a shame she wants to waste her life saving the lives of the worst of the worst so they can sit and rot a few extra years, write a book and try to convince us they've got religion.

Apparently she doesn't believe in pure evil but I don't think she has met Cindy yet. :ohmy:

ITA. And at what cost? If it's the defense team's intent to throw an innocent or two under the bus (Jesse or whoever), how in heaven's name does that jibe with Ms. Lyon's holier-than-thou take on the death penalty and her theories of redemption, I wonder? How can she preach from her life saver pulpit while playing on a team that is purposely throwing innocents to the wolves in an effort to raise reasonable doubt about their client's guilt?

[kanzz]

Can someone please tell me if I can find part 2 of yesterdays thread? It says it has moved and dumb me doesn't know how to do anything but lurk. TIA:confused:

yeah, it shows that it's moved, but if you click on the title of the thread, you'll be taken to it.

[*MoonRider*]

Can someone please tell me if I can find part 2 of yesterdays thread? It says it has moved and dumb me doesn't know how to do anything but lurk. TIA:confused:

Hi, it looks like Part 1 & 2 were combined to one thread.

[Imperfect4]

That whole anthony family is diabolical. They are disrespectful to their own and they are disrespectful to others.

You've got that exactly right. Disrespectful and untruthful. What a set of swell family values.

[Dells]

I think the defenses blatent, in your face, 'you people are dumb if you don't believe us' attitude will be a detriment. The defense seems to have adopted the Casey'tude and it will harm her more than help her. No one likes being smirked at or played like they're dumb and it seems to be a trait all the defense team member have in common. The "we're smarter than everyone and just because you see a brick doesn't mean it isn't a diamond so believe it's a diamond because we said so" attitude.

I so agree w/you! With the defense team's attitude and their trying to point the finger at innocent victims that just happened to know Casey and Caylee, they are going to absolutely infuriate the jury. And the jury will take that out on their client.

How deplorable of the defense team to try to accuse those that they know are innocent of this crime, all in an effort to get their guilty client off. I know defense attorneys have a job to do, but what ever happened to a person's ethics? They should feel ashamed of themselves. Absolutely ashamed.:sneaky:

[Dells]

jose is on the TODAY show right now

Surprise, surprise!:rolleyes:

[SandyO]

ITA. And at what cost? If it's the defense team's intent to throw an innocent or two under the bus (Jesse or whoever), how in heaven's name does that jibe with Ms. Lyon's holier-than-thou take on the death penalty and her theories of redemption, I wonder? How can she preach from her life saver pulpit while playing on a team that is purposely throwing innocents to the wolves in an effort to raise reasonable doubt about their client's guilt?

The manuverings in our justice system are just plain despicable sometimes, aren't they? It's a shame, but I've heard this system works better than any other.

[Dells]

JB running off his mouth again on today show.
I don;t kn ow why they give him the time.
He says nothing

I am a little bit miffed that The Today Show keeps giving Casey Anthony's defense attorneys a platform to promote their agenda. I suppose it is all about ratings though for them.:rolleyes:

[Dunlurken]

Can someone please tell me if I can find part 2 of yesterdays thread? It says it has moved and dumb me doesn't know how to do anything but lurk. TIA:confused:
It was combined with part 1. JMO. That's why there are 1,800 some posts on it.

[marshmallow]

I have never been a juror but seeing that amount of attorney's sitting at a defendants table would raise my antenna. I wonder how something like this harms a case for a defendant.

my son said the same thing.

[Dells]

GM, thanks for the heads up. He sure didn't waste any time getting his mug on the National Media again.

Does he ever?:sneaky:

[summer4meplz]

I don't think she will walk...I doubt very much that this team can convince all 12 jurors of anything other than Casey did it...However, it could end in a hung jury, and depending on how hung it will be, will depend on a retrial....11/1, 10/2, 9/3, 8/4 will be a retrial...any odds higher than that the state might not want to invest in another trial......

But as in the latest OJ problem....he got 33 years for what should probably have been thrown out of court...so, Florida charged her with these checks and can put a time on each one....I believe that Florida was thinking ahead and either way Casey wont get out of jail till she is old, if then.....jmo


and let us not forget the master of the delay delay delay will be sentenced in 3 hours......:thumbsup:

[Dells]

Glad you're watching it too Ckrdpast. Am I wrong or did he say he will enjoy working FOR Andrea Lyon?

Hee hee! Apparently, JB already knows his place, lol!:biggrin:

[kanzz]

Hi, it looks like Part 1 & 2 were combined to one thread.

wow - that was fast. Just in the short time since I looked at it, it has been combined. lol we must have had good timing - and CW must be working away at getting things nice and tidy this morning.

[Scampi]

ITA. And at what cost? If it's the defense team's intent to throw an innocent or two under the bus (Jesse or whoever), how in heaven's name does that jibe with Ms. Lyon's holier-than-thou take on the death penalty and her theories of redemption, I wonder? How can she preach from her life saver pulpit while playing on a team that is purposely throwing innocents to the wolves in an effort to raise reasonable doubt about their client's guilt?

Hiya Imp!! I think by the time this gets to trial, we will see an entirely new type of defense. I do not believe Lyon will point the finger of guilt to Amy, Jesse or Ricardo. I will gladly eat crow, if she does. Gonna be interesting for sure to see what the eventual defense will be.

[Barbara fl.]

I too believe that Jessie is going to be the scapegoat after listening to yesterdays hearing. But what would Jessie motive be for killing CAYLEE? They really picked the wrong person to blame it on. But I can see where the groundwork was laid for this defense. You have GA saying that Jessie was jealous that Casey was getting close with her family, CA flat out calling Jessie a suspect and the jailhouse video of Casey saying that Jessie had a key to her car. I sure hope there is video of Casey parking that car at Amscot and no one else going near it. Of all the families to pick on they choose the Grunds. Probably the most respectable people ever associated with this group. They should be ashamed. :thumbdown:


I agree with all you said...Jesse is a man that any mother would be proud to be dating their daughter....This Andrea Lyons and LKB and Macaluso are only interested in getting Casey off...they know that Jesse would not be charged with the murder...their job is to just give a reasonable doubt as to who could have committed this murder...I'm sure they will fly around a few people that could have done it....

This trial is going to be a trial taht will be remembered....these people didn't come on this team to be made to look stupid....thay will come up with a strategy....that is what scares me.....

[summer4meplz]

I am a little bit miffed that The Today Show keeps giving Casey Anthony's defense attorneys a platform to promote their agenda. I suppose it is all about ratings though for them.:rolleyes:


was jose on the set or was it a satellite link ....i refuse to watch him....should we expect to see jose on geraldo's boat this weekend?

[Dells]

I hope the prosecutors use this to fight the change of venue. Talk about your hippocrates the defense is the ones you always see in the media.

I so agree! I hope in the COV court hearing that the prosecution brings up every Today Show appearance and all the defense team's impromptu press conferences that they hold at the end of every single court hearing. They can then contrast that w/the number of times that the prosecution has appeared on The Today Show and how many times that they have held press conferences after the court hearings.:thumbup:

[marshmallow]

Bet none of the new attorney's give Cindy the time of day. That'd be enough for her to shoot dirty looks their way :)
JMO



or someone finally got her to understand that Casey's defense team is going to sully Cindy's image so badly she'll be looking like she got trapped in a carnival fun mirror.
To save Casey from the DP, her attys will be throwing George and Cindy under the bus Cindy's been steering at everyone else.

[Imperfect4]

Can someone please tell me if I can find part 2 of yesterdays thread? It says it has moved and dumb me doesn't know how to do anything but lurk. TIA:confused:

It was combined with the first thread. There's now just one thread, approaching 50 pages!!

[Barbara fl.]

Don't be scared, be glad that the adults are finally taking over. I am. I would rather see a fair fight than a buffoon who would trip his way right into a guilty verdict. I am glad she and will have a zealous COMPETENT defense attorney. Let them give this their best shot.


I guess I'm a little scared because I don't think that Casey deserves this kind of defense.....


Gee, I haven't heard that word in yesrs "BUFFOON"...took me back a few years....:laugh:...but very fitting.....

[Dells]

Well, she's went on camera, in her intro, and said that Casey is innocent. In the same breath, she said she's new to the case and doesn't know squat.:confused:

I don't know if she'd try to get Casey to plea or not. IMO, it would depend on if she got any alone time with Casey. As I feel confident that Jose would never allow her to talk pleas with his girl.

Once she starts reading up on her case files she'll see that there was an offer of 'limited immunity' by the State way back in the beginning and that Jose didn't have his girl take it.

Lastly, if she looks through all the evidence and comes to the conclusion that the State can easily get a conviction, she may try to get PPOF to take a plea but the lil darlin doesn't know whats good for her [keeping bumbling Baez in the first place] and she'll say 'no way'. IMO

Bolding mine....

Wonder if Casey will tell AL "no way, Jose" to taking a plea deal?!:tongueside:

[Imperfect4]

I so agree w/you! With the defense team's attitude and their trying to point the finger at innocent victims that just happened to know Casey and Caylee, they are going to absolutely infuriate the jury. And the jury will take that out on their client.

How deplorable of the defense team to try to accuse those that they know are innocent of this crime, all in an effort to get their guilty client off. I know defense attorneys have a job to do, but what ever happened to a person's ethics? They should feel ashamed of themselves. Absolutely ashamed.:sneaky:

I hope that -- if it truly comes to pass that Team Casey tries to finger Jesse Grund or another similar innocent, unfortunate soul -- the state's attorneys make it very clear to the jury exactly what the defense is doing, and how immoral and unjust it is. Were I on that jury, I would only be further incensed by this sort of maneuvering, and it would NOT bode well for the OC in the deliberation room.

[Barbara fl.]

I have never been a juror but seeing that amount of attorney's sitting at a defendants table would raise my antenna. I wonder how something like this harms a case for a defendant.




A team like this can be very intimidating to the jurors, I just hope they don't succeed in intimiting more than 3....

And a team like this can not hurt the defendant......

[ish]

Seems to me, if Lyon is passionate about saving Casey's (miserable) life, she has to be just as passionate about getting Baez out of the way. You wouldn't think it possible, but imo, Baez actually makes Casey look worse than she makes herself look. Without Baez, Casey might have approximately a snowball's chance in he!! of getting LWOP. With Baez at the helm, she has not even that chance. imo

Lyon strikes me as the type that cares less about guilt or innocence, she is anti death penalty and that is her agenda. Get them LWOP or get them off entirely either is good for her. But I think she will really only impact this case if Casey is found guilty. til then I think Casey will have Baez run the show even if it goes against Lyon's game plan. Casey and Baez have been in this from the beginning together, I think she knows she has him hooked and she's gonna keep him on that hook til the case plays out. If she is found guilty, she will let Lyon try to save her life.

[Imperfect4]

The manuverings in our justice system are just plain despicable sometimes, aren't they? It's a shame, but I've heard this system works better than any other.

I guess I would hope defense attorneys like Andrea Lyon would leave the "morality" of the death penalty out of their argument, when they are participating -- eyes wide open -- in a defense clearly constructed to drag innocents to hell and back.

[ruth66]

I wondered aloud yesterday if perhaps Lyon had breakfast with the Anthonys. Cindy looked quite upset yesterday AM at the hearing, and looked as though she'd been crying beforehand. I'm wondering if Lyon didn't give the A's a reality check on how their public appearances are working against Casey.

Imo, Lyon has to get both Baez and G&C to fade to black if she has any chance of saving the odious one's hide.


That very well could of happened. I also wonder if Lyon let them know just what the outcome of this trial is going to be and that she was there to save Casey from the DP which is the best they can do for her. All I can come up with to justify the Anthony's behavior during this whole fiasco is that Biaz has completely convinced CA, GA, LEE and Casey that he can get her acquitted. Ms. Lyon may have given them a reality check. I may not ever respect Baez or any of the A's but I will have the utmost respect for Lyon if she can get this circus tamed down to what it truly is, a murder trial.

[spiritwolf46]

OMG Jean K is crying over Lisa Bloom leaving In Session....BYE BYE Lisa


Lisa Bloom is leaving??? Was it something some of us said? :ohmy:

Anyone know where she is going? Perhaps she mey become the Ed McMahon of the Dr. Phil show! HAY-OOOOOOOOOO!

Also, I too believe that Casey will get LWOP, but am sure hoping for more! I hate to say that, but Caylee died at the hand of this momster and I truly think she needs to die as well.

BTW: Good morning peeps!

[taylor63]

I just watched yesterday's proceedings. I can't believe JB actually said that Jesse and Amy were suspects despite the fact that they both took, and presumably passed, lie-detector tests. Why would they be? When it was discovered that Caylee was missing, she was already gone for a month. Her mother was too afraid of Jesse and Amy (enough to steal the latter's money for shopping sprees at Target) that she had to go barhopping and pole dancing to find Jesse and Amy? She knew exactly where they were the whole time. Nope, Casey has backed herself into a corner with her Zanny story. Now, Cindy can make believe that Zanny is code for Jesse or Amy, but it just doesn't compute.

If the defense keeps this up,and keeps naming innocent people as suspects,I hope that Mrs Huzeinga and Jesse Grund as well as Roy Kronk and others whom they have also hinted may have had something to do with Caylee's demise all sue the pants off of them, and Casey and the Anthony family, as well who have all drug their name through the mud in an attempt to save the obvious guilty party. I hope they can never make one penny off Caylee by books or movie deals or any other way.

[Dells]

Well, she's went on camera, in her intro, and said that Casey is innocent. In the same breath, she said she's new to the case and doesn't know squat.:confused:

I don't know if she'd try to get Casey to plea or not. IMO, it would depend on if she got any alone time with Casey. As I feel confident that Jose would never allow her to talk pleas with his girl.

Once she starts reading up on her case files she'll see that there was an offer of 'limited immunity' by the State way back in the beginning and that Jose didn't have his girl take it.

Lastly, if she looks through all the evidence and comes to the conclusion that the State can easily get a conviction, she may try to get PPOF to take a plea but the lil darlin doesn't know whats good for her [keeping bumbling Baez in the first place] and she'll say 'no way'. IMO

Bolding mine...

Yes, that was absolutely brilliant of her, wasn't it? NOT!:sneaky:

I think that AL will be in for a huge surprise when she actually has the time to read up on the facts of this case.

[SandyO]

Lyon strikes me as the type that cares less about guilt or innocence, she is anti death penalty and that is her agenda. Get them LWOP or get them off entirely either is good for her. But I think she will really only impact this case if Casey is found guilty. til then I think Casey will have Baez run the show even if it goes against Lyon's game plan. Casey and Baez have been in this from the beginning together, I think she knows she has him hooked and she's gonna keep him on that hook til the case plays out. If she is found guilty, she will let Lyon try to save her life.

I'm with you. Casey and Baez have formed a very close bond, and to Casey that's everything. She hasn't even glanced down the road at what can happen, she has all her eggs in the Baez basket.

[Barbara fl.]

Bolding mine....

Wonder if Casey will tell AL "no way, Jose" to taking a plea deal?!:tongueside:

No, that's the last thing that any of these attorney's want...they only took this case for the trial publicity.....

Now if they really had Casey's best interest at heart , they would try an convince her to take a plea deal.....but not this team.....

[Scampi]

in that nice article posted yesterday from 2005, with all the quotes from Lyon's dad, it says

Lyon has said that she doesn't believe in "pure evil," that for every violent crime there is a reason, "a dark and complex key out of the defendant's childhood."

Cindy is not going to like this. I don't think she is too much in the loop of her daughter's defense, given Casey's snub yesterday. She is legally an adult, and if mom and day aren't paying, these attorneys don't have to tell them anything.

(going back to find the link that I lost with the quote)

ps Lyon is a single mom to a 9 year old girl

link http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/11/behind_the_musi.html

go down to the part about the "angel of mercy"
interesting family


Dora, thank you so much for this post. Oh yes, I think we definetly will see a new and improved defense for the OC, based on the above Lyon quote. As our other little Sleuthies have said, this may explain cindy's demeanor in court yesterday.

If the OC can be made to understand that a good defense can be mounted for her, by throwing her controlling and nasty mother under the bus, I think she'll jump at it in a New York minute.

I think it's safe to assume that the Lyon and the index finger will not be BFF!

[Imperfect4]

Hiya Imp!! I think by the time this gets to trial, we will see an entirely new type of defense. I do not believe Lyon will point the finger of guilt to Amy, Jesse or Ricardo. I will gladly eat crow, if she does. Gonna be interesting for sure to see what the eventual defense will be.

What are their options, Scamp? Seriously? According to Lyon, Casey is "innocent." In order for her to be "innocent," someone else had to murder Caylee. And around and around we go. Would a defense attorney of Lyon's caliber choose the word "innocent" without thinking? Or would she use it to describe the actions of a temporarily insane young mother, or a young mother who accidentally caused her child's death?

I dunno. Just asking? :huh:

[Dells]

Jose said both correctional officers that he deposed said that what they did to Casey was cruel and unusual :confused: What about what she did to poor Caylee? I can't understand why Jose is making such an ordeal out of that video. It has nothing to do with the case against his client. He has bigger fish to fry imo

Bolding mine....

I find that hard to believe that the correction's officers would say that to JB. I won't believe it till I see if for myself. I will not take JB's word for it.

[ish]

I too believe that Jessie is going to be the scapegoat after listening to yesterdays hearing. But what would Jessie motive be for killing CAYLEE? They really picked the wrong person to blame it on. But I can see where the groundwork was laid for this defense. You have GA saying that Jessie was jealous that Casey was getting close with her family, CA flat out calling Jessie a suspect and the jailhouse video of Casey saying that Jessie had a key to her car. I sure hope there is video of Casey parking that car at Amscot and no one else going near it. Of all the families to pick on they choose the Grunds. Probably the most respectable people ever associated with this group. They should be ashamed. :thumbdown:

IF I were Jesse I would make it my business to be in that courtroom every single day of the trial (unless being a witness bars me) and If I could not be there I would have my family there very visible to the jury. It is easier to cast a shadow on some person who is not sitting right there is the courtroom for the jury to look at and evaluate. I hope he and his family are in court front and center along with anyone else the defense might take a shot at.

[Imperfect4]

was jose on the set or was it a satellite link ....i refuse to watch him....should we expect to see jose on geraldo's boat this weekend?

It was a link. I think supplied by the Smirking Satellite Company. :rolleyes:

I muted the maroon. Had him up to *here* yesterday. He works my very, very last nerve every time he opens his mouth.

[taylor63]

Does anyone happen to know if the judge is going to rule on the tape released will it be today?

[spiritwolf46]

If the defense keeps this up,and keeps naming innocent people as suspects,I hope that Mrs Huzeinga and Jesse Grund as well as Roy Kronk and others whom they have also hinted may have had something to do with Caylee's demise all sue the pants off of them, and Casey and the Anthony family, as well who have all drug their name through the mud in an attempt to save the obvious guilty party. I hope they can never make one penny off Caylee by books or movie deals or any other way.

ITA with you, Taylor!

I am not a person who thinks that everyone should sue others, as I am sure you are not either, but in this case I hope that every single person that the defense and the A's have slammed in the mouth, sues the he77 out of them, too!

[taylor63]

IF I were Jesse I would make it my business to be in that courtroom every single day of the trial (unless being a witness bars me) and If I could not be there I would have my family there very visible to the jury. It is easier to cast a shadow on some person who is not sitting right there is the courtroom for the jury to look at and evaluate. I hope he and his family are in court front and center along with anyone else the defense might take a shot at.

It makes me so angry Casey and her family and now the defense have decided to target this young man. He has been so kind and decent throughout this whole tragedy, and has never said one unkind word about the Anthonys despite the fact that they have accussed him of murdering Caylee.

[ish]

I'm with you. Casey and Baez have formed a very close bond, and to Casey that's everything. She hasn't even glanced down the road at what can happen, she has all her eggs in the Baez basket.

If he fails her and she is found guilty, she'll walk away without a backwards glance, and throw all her eggs in with Lyon for the penalty phase. Same as she dropped one boyfriend for the next.

[Barbara fl.]

What are their options, Scamp? Seriously? According to Lyon, Casey is "innocent." In order for her to be "innocent," someone else had to murder Caylee. And around and around we go. Would a defense attorney of Lyon's caliber choose the word "innocent" without thinking? Or would she use it to describe the actions of a temporarily insane young mother, or a young mother who accidentally caused her child's death?

I dunno. Just asking? :huh:


You're correct....tehre is no other way for them to go with this...they can not een go the accidental route...Baez said in open court that he had no intentions of saying that this was an accidental death.....so what they are saying is that Caylee was indeed murdered...but not by Casey.....andin order to try and convince a jury of 12, they will have to say te possibilities of other people having done this....and set Casey up....

Will it work?....I don't think so.....But I never saw this Adrian Lyons in action....I know what LKB was able to do in the PS case.....and I understand that AL is very dramatic.....

[Facinated]

It was a link. I think supplied by the Smirking Satellite Company. :rolleyes:

I muted the maroon. Had him up to *here* yesterday. He works my very, very last nerve every time he opens his mouth.


Mine too!

And.... the stuttering, the misuse of his words etc. etc. etc.

He reminds me of a young child trying to defend himself, someone used the description "buffoon" earlier and that is the perfect word to describe him and how he presents himself.

JMO

[missinglink]

From April 14, 2009: http://www.wftv.com/news/19179038/detail.html#-

Two new aggravating circumstances, involving child killers that Florida jurors can now consider in deciding whether to recommend the death penalty, give more weight to prosecutors in the case.

One is that the victim was under 12 years old and the other is that the child killer was in a position of trust or control.

First of all, thank you for this link desmom. Second, I apologize for not bolding the actual parts of the article but I don't know how to bold yet (sorry, I'm not too smart).

First, legal analyst Sheaffer says "The one person the child looks to betrays them and does them harm. Can there be a more aggravating circumstance?"

Sheaffer goes on to say that the DUCT TAPE would bolster prosecutor's legal arguments that Caylee's murder was cruel and atrocious, was cold, calculated and premeditated AND was ALSO committed DURING the felony of AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE.

Does it sound like Sheaffer and Prosecution think that the duct tape was placed on Caylee first, then she was either suffocated by that on purpose and/or other forms of abuse?

Am I overreaching here? I had always thought, imo, that the tape was placed on Caylee after death, but this article opens up my eyes that it was there before Caylee's death.

Anyone have an opinion on this?

[ruth66]

ITA. And at what cost? If it's the defense team's intent to throw an innocent or two under the bus (Jesse or whoever), how in heaven's name does that jibe with Ms. Lyon's holier-than-thou take on the death penalty and her theories of redemption, I wonder? How can she preach from her life saver pulpit while playing on a team that is purposely throwing innocents to the wolves in an effort to raise reasonable doubt about their client's guilt?


But just imagine what it would do to her career if she was the lawyer that put a stop to the circus atmosphere and got her client to face reality. She could actually "class up" this defense team and take the spotlight. I would imagine at this point that would be the only reason to join this team, in the hopes that you could make lemonade out of lemons. Doesn't change my opinion of what the verdict will be in this case. And personally I don't care if Casey gets the DP, LWOP is just fine as long as she doesn't walk free and procreate again.:wink:

[snowflakes]

was jose on the set or was it a satellite link ....i refuse to watch him....should we expect to see jose on geraldo's boat this weekend?

It was a link.
Ooops, someone already answered you.

[aproudmom]

Do you think Casey will walk?

NOPE I do not

[Barbara fl.]

Does anyone happen to know if the judge is going to rule on the tape released will it be today?


No, I believe it will be near the end of June, that's when LKB will be available......and Judge Strickland is giving the media a chance to say why it should be shown....

[breezie]

Bolding mine....

I find that hard to believe that the correction's officers would say that to JB. I won't believe it till I see if for myself. I will not take JB's word for it.

AND the context.

[Barbara fl.]

If the defense keeps this up,and keeps naming innocent people as suspects,I hope that Mrs Huzeinga and Jesse Grund as well as Roy Kronk and others whom they have also hinted may have had something to do with Caylee's demise all sue the pants off of them, and Casey and the Anthony family, as well who have all drug their name through the mud in an attempt to save the obvious guilty party. I hope they can never make one penny off Caylee by books or movie deals or any other way.


I know what you mean....more derogatory things have been said about Kronk, Jesse and Amy then was ever insinuated about this "Zenaida Gonzales" who is sueing......I wish they can do the same....but I don't think so...

[ruth66]

I am a little bit miffed that The Today Show keeps giving Casey Anthony's defense attorneys a platform to promote their agenda. I suppose it is all about ratings though for them.:rolleyes:


Or possibly part of a "deal" that was made in the past. I find it interesting that the Today show is the show of choice time after time. Baez complains about the exposure and then turns around and creates more, there has to be a way that this can be brought up when considering COV.

[aproudmom]

I am a little bit miffed that The Today Show keeps giving Casey Anthony's defense attorneys a platform to promote their agenda. I suppose it is all about ratings though for them.:rolleyes:

I do not watch them anymore they give the attention to all these dumba$$ like Bozo and Drew Peterson...nope wont watch them have not watched them for some time...so they can go after their ratings with out me..

Oh and BTW Geraldo said the other night these shows are a joke allowing idiots on their show...well guess he does not see BOZO as a idiot..:thumbdown:

[kjt200]

I'm curious to see how Casey responds to a legal team that is comprised mostly of women. Not just women, but women who make their way in the world by qualities other than looks, coyness and seduction. If the women on the team are able to push Baez into the background I think we may see a big change in Casey. Maybe she won't be so cocky in the courtroom. And maybe, just maybe, we will begin to see fear in her eyes.

Thanks for listening. My own opinion of course. Be well.

[Imperfect4]

But just imagine what it would do to her career if she was the lawyer that put a stop to the circus atmosphere and got her client to face reality. She could actually "class up" this defense team and take the spotlight. I would imagine at this point that would be the only reason to join this team, in the hopes that you could make lemonade out of lemons. Doesn't change my opinion of what the verdict will be in this case. And personally I don't care if Casey gets the DP, LWOP is just fine as long as she doesn't walk free and procreate again.:wink:

I don't disagree. What I find highly offensive is the prospect of Lyon taking the moral high road with regard to the death penalty, while using the other side of her mouth to mount a defense of Casey involving the implication of innocents. There's of course no telling where the defense is really heading, but I would laugh in Ms. Lyon's face if I were a juror listening to her spout the immorality of the death penalty on the one hand, while fingering the likes of a Jesse Grund on the other hand.

(And I sure as heck wouldn't buy her stupid book, either. lol)

[aproudmom]

I know what you mean....more derogatory things have been said about Kronk, Jesse and Amy then was ever insinuated about this "Zenaida Gonzales" who is sueing......I wish they can do the same....but I don't think so...

Barb I have wondered why in the heck JG has not he was called a baby killer by all of them IMO...I do not want to see any of them to make one penny off this child so I say all of them need to go after them and make sure they can not live off Caylee forever

[Dells]

I have never been a juror but seeing that amount of attorney's sitting at a defendants table would raise my antenna. I wonder how something like this harms a case for a defendant.

That's a very interesting thought. If I were a juror on this case, I would probably think the same thing.

[CRRJJ]

my son said the same thing.

You know, I think if I were to be a juror for a defendant that had to have a train load of attorneys, I would think they must have a very weak defense. My first thought would be, 'If it takes that many people to find something to prove them innocent I would be very suspicious about any proof they brought into the courtroom.' Seems to me if you have to dig that hard to prove your client is innocent you can bring up a whole lot of dirt against anyone else. And it sure sounds like that is the only defense they have---hang it on the innocent ones.
Fortunately WE have not forgotten what this is all about, Caylee. Wish I could say that about your the ones you loved so much.

[Dells]

IMO, that is going to be a turn off to any juror that is from the hard working middle class especially if they ever had a family member that had to use a public defender.

Very good point. Casey having this high profile "Dream Team" has already infuriated some of us here. Imagine what some of the jurors will think about that? It seems like overkill if indeed Casey is "innocent".:rolleyes:

[SandyO]

I'm curious to see how Casey responds to a legal team that is comprised mostly of women. Not just women, but women who make their way in the world by qualities other than looks, coyness and seduction. If the women on the team are able to push Baez into the background I think we may see a big change in Casey. Maybe she won't be so cocky in the courtroom. And maybe, just maybe, we will begin to see fear in her eyes.

Thanks for listening. My own opinion of course. Be well.

I find it interesting that you mentioned Casey's eyes. I paid close attention to what I could see of her eyes yesterday, and they remind me of a snake ---- cold and crafty, full of defiance.

[Imperfect4]

That's a very interesting thought. If I were a juror on this case, I would probably think the same thing.

It's impossible for me to imagine this without my huge I HATE TEAM CASEY AND THE ANTHONYS filter, but I would think the combination of the OC, her large-and-in-charge defense team, and her *character witnesses* (George, Cindy, and the Middle Finger) would be way more than enough to cause a lot of hate and discontent among the jurors. And that's BEFORE the state's opening statement. :laugh:

[missinglink]

That's a very interesting thought. If I were a juror on this case, I would probably think the same thing.

I'm like you. I would too, although I shouldn't have those thoughts as a fair juror. :sneaky: But, I think I wouldn't be able to NOT wonder. :smile:

[Roux]

I don't disagree. What I find highly offensive is the prospect of Lyon taking the moral high road with regard to the death penalty, while using the other side of her mouth to mount a defense of Casey involving the implication of innocents. There's of course no telling where the defense is really heading, but I would laugh in Ms. Lyon's face if I were a juror listening to her spout the immorality of the death penalty on the one hand, while fingering the likes of a Jesse Grund on the other hand.

(And I sure as heck wouldn't buy her stupid book, either. lol)

I want to know why Lyon says this is not a DP case and what she is inferring and means by "strategic reasons." Was hoping that atty Scheaffer would make a comment regarding these claims cuz I don't want to have to wait months to find out. :tonguewag:

Missed NG last night so perhaps he said something about it then?

[Scampi]

What are their options, Scamp? Seriously? According to Lyon, Casey is "innocent." In order for her to be "innocent," someone else had to murder Caylee. And around and around we go. Would a defense attorney of Lyon's caliber choose the word "innocent" without thinking? Or would she use it to describe the actions of a temporarily insane young mother, or a young mother who accidentally caused her child's death?

I dunno. Just asking? :huh:

Lyon's remarks yesterday were the current company line, I don't hold the "innocent" word against her. In a year or more, that will be forgotten, imo.

I do believe this tho, for Lyon to be successful in the penalty phase, the guilt phase has to be very carefully tried. For example, they cannot go with the innocent crap and point the finger at others, imo.

Because if they do that and she is found guilty, I do not believe Lyon can then show a mitigating factor to a jury that witnessed her try to blame innocent people. During the penalty phase she will have to show the defendant is remorseful to some extent or provide true mitigating circumstances such as a diminished mental compacity.

Nope, the guilt and penalty phases of this trial have to mesh to a certain extent and I think Lyon will find a way to do that. baez and his nonsense is OUT!

[margaritaville]

Good Morning Everyone,

A question about the defense approach at trial...................

So Casey throws out the "Zanny" did it thing to LE backed up with her odd story of leaving her child at Sawgrass on the day in question. She later speaks of the park abduction alternative but not to LE, only to her family members. So, the only certified statements made by Casey to LE link back to the original Sawgrass story. Right?

Fast forward to trial...............(I figure I will be 55 or so by the time the dang thing moves to trial............I'm 50 now)

All the TH keep yapping about how the defense need to abandon the "Zanny the Nanny" story. It also seems as if the defense is starting to lay the groundwork to pin reasonable doubt onto the possibility that Jessie Grund did this horrible thing (I'm sorry, but there is a special place in hell for people who try to pin this murder on an innocent man)..
But, how do they actually move from one theory to another in the courtroom?????

Casey will never testify. LE will show original statements which have nothing to do with Jessie and everything to do with the Nanny who is clearly described as a woman......

Who exactly do they put on the stand to back up the new theory? What evidence do the actually use????? Does the defense just stand up and lie during opening and closing statements and hope a juror is so blind that they dismiss everything admitted into evidence??

Thoughts??

Thanks for listening. My own opinion of course. Be well...

Mine in red:

Everyone remember Jesse's interview on NG where he tells her that Casey broke up with him because he "loved Caylee more then Casey"?

If the defense wants to go with the ridiculous theory that "Jesse" did it...

I have just one question: Why would Jesse murder Caylee? Not Casey??

moo

[Imperfect4]

I want to know why Lyon says this is not a DP case and what she is inferring and means by "strategic reasons." Was hope that atty Scheaffer would make a comment regarding these claims cuz I don't want to have to wait months to find out. :tonguewag:

I could be out in left field, but I took that comment to mean she feels the state re-applied the death penalty in order to force Casey toward a plea deal and/or to put the fear of God in her that they've got the goods on her. Again, I could be way off base.

[missinglink]

Have we gotten ALL of the FBI lab results? Or could we expect more to come?

[AMS]

Lyon's remarks yesterday were the current company line, I don't hold the "innocent" word against her. In a year or more, that will be forgotten, imo.

I do believe this tho, for Lyon to be successful in the penalty phase, the guilt phase has to be very carefully tried. For example, they cannot go with the innocent crap and point the finger at others, imo.

Because if they do that and she is found guilty, I do not believe Lyon can then show a mitigating factor to a jury that witnessed her try to blame innocent people. During the penalty phase she will have to show the defendant is remorseful to some extent or provide true mitigating circumstances such as a diminished mental compacity.

Nope, the guilt and penalty phases of this trial have to mesh to a certain extent and I think Lyon will find a way to do that. baez and his nonsense is OUT!

I do believe you are enjoying the possibility of Baez and his nonsense being OUT! :biggrin:


imo

[Imperfect4]

Mine in red:

Everyone remember Jesse's interview on NG where he tells her that Casey broke up with him because he "loved Caylee more then Casey"?

If the defense wants to go with the ridiculous theory that "Jesse" did it...

I have just one question: Why would Jesse murder Caylee? Not Casey??

moo

... and why would he not simply steal her (Caylee) and disappear with her? Makes no sense. None.

[aproudmom]

I don't disagree. What I find highly offensive is the prospect of Lyon taking the moral high road with regard to the death penalty, while using the other side of her mouth to mount a defense of Casey involving the implication of innocents. There's of course no telling where the defense is really heading, but I would laugh in Ms. Lyon's face if I were a juror listening to her spout the immorality of the death penalty on the one hand, while fingering the likes of a Jesse Grund on the other hand.

(And I sure as heck wouldn't buy her stupid book, either. lol)

I love you post:thumbup: you really need to change your sig name to perfect..lol:biggrin:

[AMS]

Mine in red:

Everyone remember Jesse's interview on NG where he tells her that Casey broke up with him because he "loved Caylee more then Casey"?

If the defense wants to go with the ridiculous theory that "Jesse" did it...

I have just one question: Why would Jesse murder Caylee? Not Casey??

moo


Hi - I asked this question last week some time. One poster theorized that the defense could say that it was jealousy. If he could not have Caylee...then no one else could have her. They did not believe this to be true but was just throwing out a possible defense strategy.

imo

[ruth66]

I don't disagree. What I find highly offensive is the prospect of Lyon taking the moral high road with regard to the death penalty, while using the other side of her mouth to mount a defense of Casey involving the implication of innocents. There's of course no telling where the defense is really heading, but I would laugh in Ms. Lyon's face if I were a juror listening to her spout the immorality of the death penalty on the one hand, while fingering the likes of a Jesse Grund on the other hand.

(And I sure as heck wouldn't buy her stupid book, either. lol)

To be quite honest, I find it offensive for any of those lawyers to be claiming their client "innocent" when she most certainly is guilty of something. At the very least child neglect. Not to mention the theft charges she faces. Calling Casey innocent is like calling CA religious. :laugh:

[spiritwolf46]

Later all!

Have a good morning!

[ruth66]

That's a very interesting thought. If I were a juror on this case, I would probably think the same thing.

And by the same token, if I was the defendant I would be nervous that it took 15 lawyers to defend me. It I was innocent seems like 2 would be sufficient. :huh:

[aproudmom]

... and why would he not simply steal her (Caylee) and disappear with her? Makes no sense. None.

I agree they say to what get back at KC for not being with him is what I am getting.. kinda a I will show you I will take the sweet child I thought was mine and still after finding out she was not still was willing to marry her and raise caylee...he needs to file a civil suit on behalf of caylee whom he loved and his family loved.

[missinglink]

Mine in red:

Everyone remember Jesse's interview on NG where he tells her that Casey broke up with him because he "loved Caylee more then Casey"?

If the defense wants to go with the ridiculous theory that "Jesse" did it...

I have just one question: Why would Jesse murder Caylee? Not Casey??

moo

Just my opinion, but I think that Jose focused on Jesse yesterday to make us think he's going after him, reverse psychology. I think he might try to finger Amy, since she's the one who went to Puerto Rico(was it). And then, he can say Casey took money from her to get even (well, not even, because nothing can compare to Caylee's death), and hoping Casey can get off on the theft charges with Amy and murder. I know that sounds stupid, but you know Baez's thinking.

Nope, I think he's focusing on Amy or Cindy.

[Daffodil]

You could be right.....I noticed that she had signs of real tears being shed...However, I thought that maybe she had spoken to "Andrea Lyons" prior to going into court and what ever AL might have said to her....gave an insight of the reality that she was going to be faced with.....which is basically what you are saying....But I don't believe that C & G will ever go to the other side....They will go down with their daughter JMO

They never had any intentions of sitting on the prosecutor's side. I think they got a bit confused. Remember at a hearing for the civil suit, they sat on the other side. So I think they just got confused. And maybe because Brad was there, they thought they were supposed to sit on that side. It appeared to me that Brad postioned himself so he could talk to the person next to him.

[Imperfect4]

Lyon's remarks yesterday were the current company line, I don't hold the "innocent" word against her. In a year or more, that will be forgotten, imo.

I do believe this tho, for Lyon to be successful in the penalty phase, the guilt phase has to be very carefully tried. For example, they cannot go with the innocent crap and point the finger at others, imo.

Because if they do that and she is found guilty, I do not believe Lyon can then show a mitigating factor to a jury that witnessed her try to blame innocent people. During the penalty phase she will have to show the defendant is remorseful to some extent or provide true mitigating circumstances such as a diminished mental compacity.

Nope, the guilt and penalty phases of this trial have to mesh to a certain extent and I think Lyon will find a way to do that. baez and his nonsense is OUT!

I agree, and as I posted yesterday, I think Lyon has to jack this Baez car up and drive a whole new chassis underneath it.

What will be interesting, though, will be how much sway Lyon ultimately has with the OC. Because Baez is essentially parroting his client. From what we've seen of totmom thus far, she is every inch the defiant adolescent with regard to her defense case as she was prior to her arrest. Will Lyon be able to convince her to go with the new program, whatever that is (and I can't imagine it will be flattering to the OC, once the fingering of others is off the table)? Will she be able to convince the OC it's in her best interests to agree to admit to X, Y or Z in the death of Caylee? I think that could be "key" as Cynthia would say. Even if Lyon manages to push Baez aside, she still has the OC's incredibily short-sighted, not brilliant, defiant attitude to deal with.

[ish]

Hi Cass! I think she is among the many who believe the DP is barbaric and makes "us" no better then the criminal. I don't think she believes in no punishment, just no death penalty.

At any rate, if the OC persists in her bogus innocence fairytale, I think Lyon will defend her to the best of her ability and then try to save her life in the penalty phase.

This can get tricky, we may see a completely new defense by the time Lyon researches this case.

I don't think the death penalty is any more barbaric than wrapping duct tape around my childs head (or face) putting a heart shaped sticker on that tape, killing her, triple bagging her remains and tossing them into a watery marsh to rot. Oh and then spending the next 31 days, chilling with my new boyfriend, watching movies, dancing, getting laid, stealing money from my BFF and tormenting my mother as she frantically tries to track me down and see her grandchild. then when she does find me and LE gets involved I tell them a bunch of lies and take them on a wild goose chase before hiring a lawyer and "invoking my rights". I'd say that's pretty barbaric, lying on a gurney and having a needle put into my vein and going to the great beyond..not so much.