Friday, May 29, 2009 #1 [Archive] - Page 3

bballgrl

05-29-2009, 04:54 PM

You're right. No one should take this motion or its contents as the truth of the matter. I would bet Hub's right arm that the Jail had a medical professional observing every move the OC made in that waiting room.

I'll see you that arm and throw in my hub's leg...... :tonguewag:

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 04:55 PM

<snipped for space>

Does this mean the state is okay with it being released, because they don't intend to use it at trial?

Is this more an argument of the media (and in turn, us) wanting to see it instead of the SA releasing it? I could care less to see her reaction to them finding the remains (sorry George).

Same here. If this really was a set up by the OCSO and jail personnel, shame on them for making a big, ugly deal out of absolutely nothing, and providing a distraction which Baez has managed to milk for weeks on end. Casey is a completely insincere human being. Her reactions to situations can't be trusted any more than the words she utters.

This whole video tape thing is just annoying. It means nothing in the big scheme of things. imo

missinglink

05-29-2009, 04:55 PM

You're right. No one should take this motion or its contents as the truth of the matter. I would bet Hub's right arm that the Jail had a medical professional observing every move the OC made in that waiting room.

I bet you're right. Thank goodness for your Hub's right arm. :thumbsup:

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 04:57 PM

Sorry, I don't have a link to the video, but here is a pic of Cindy when she abruptly stood up in court that day and got shot down real quick. Check out George's expression........

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/anthony-cindymouthingoffincourt.jpg

Oh, geez ... :lol:

missinglink

05-29-2009, 04:58 PM

Had to go check, I've got hundreds of pics on this case in PB. Unfortunately I didn't add a date or note reason for hearing. I'm usually bad about forgetting to do that at the beginning when I first start following a case. I do recall this was early on, and casey was not in court that day...I'm thinking this hearing had something to do with reducing bond.

Awww, need2no, thank you. I didn't mean for you to go thru that.

For you: :beer:

cuddlyrunner

05-29-2009, 04:59 PM

Anyone?
I'll take any info, links, hearings, gossip ;-)

Explorer

05-29-2009, 04:59 PM

I just wonder about caseys friends. They knew she was a liar and maybe they suspected she was a thief but didnt they realize that one day she would be lying and thieving on them?

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 04:59 PM

For anybody with better knowledge than me (not hard), isn't this from the bond hearing? I'd love to see the video, this is where she raises her hand to speak, right?

IIRC, it was the gag order hearing.

Dells

05-29-2009, 04:59 PM

Andrea has ethics> roflmao

if she thought it would get Casey off she would say Caylee killed herself.

that is JW favorite.

I so agree! Jayne Weintraub also likes to say that there is never any evidence in any case. No one is ever guilty, heck, let's abolish all prisons per JW!:sneaky:

Scampi

05-29-2009, 04:59 PM

English is obviously NOT his native language. I know Hmong people who can write better than that. All of his quotes by the corrections officers are gotten gby asking leading questions by Baez himself. They do NOT volunteer the information so I aquestion it's legality. He keeps referring to a Captain Warren. Does anyone know who this man is? Baez claims he is with the Sheriff's office, but I don't think a Captain in the Sheriff's Department has the authority to tell officers at the jail what to do.

There's some OTHER reason that he wants that tape sealed and it has NOTHING to do with Casey's behafvior because they already have that in depositions.

Also, remember, Casey Anthony is a manipulator and all of her angst could have been fake to get sympathy from the guards. jmo

The OC displayed physiological symptoms that you cannot fake, such as sweaty palms and red blotches on her neck. Nope, she clearly was demonstrating consciousness of guilt, imo.

CelticDawn

05-29-2009, 05:01 PM

If Cindy wouldn't wear a mic, threatened to file harassment charges against anyone that touched her to put on a mic and did not know LE was going to make her raise her right hand and swear to her statements, I do not think Cindy would allow being hooked up to a poly and answering questions. Remember she has a hammer

jmo

NOW do you all see why GITMO is a necessary evil?

They could take anomolous entities like Cindy there to compel cooperation.

just kidding

OT

Phil Spector sentenced to 19 years to life
Music producer Phil Spector was sentenced Friday to the maximum sentence of 19 years to life for the murder six years ago of actress Lana Clarkson. That means Spector, 69, would be 88 before he would be eligible for parole. A jury convicted Spector in April of second-degree murder.

Scampi

05-29-2009, 05:02 PM

I'll see you that arm and throw in my hub's leg...... :tonguewag:

:lol: Our poor Hubs, ole limpy and lefty.

norwood

05-29-2009, 05:03 PM

OT

Spector just got 19 to life

ttcRider

05-29-2009, 05:03 PM

Anyone?
I'll take any info, links, hearings, gossip ;-)

I got my link posting privileges taken away, sorry.. Look for posts by Des. :sad:

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 05:03 PM

NOW do you all see why GITMO is a necessary evil?

They could take anomolous entities like Cindy there to compel cooperation.

just kidding

OT

Phil Spector sentenced to 19 years to life
Music producer Phil Spector was sentenced Friday to the maximum sentence of 19 years to life for the murder six years ago of actress Lana Clarkson. That means Spector, 69, would be 88 before he would be eligible for parole. A jury convicted Spector in April of second-degree murder.

Can't wait to see his prison hair. :scared:

toadii

05-29-2009, 05:04 PM

Do you have a date when you put that in your bucket? I remember her doing that, but don't recall why she was there.
iirc...lol...I think it was at the end of the gag order hearing.
If you find it, please post a link, I had it saved to my old computer and it's one of my favorites. Cindy, sitting in the peanut gallery, was acting like she was messing with her hair, with her right hand on the side away from George, and sneaks it up as Judge Strickland was ending the hearing. The look on George's face is, well, eXtremely similar to the look Cindy gave Conway on LKL regarding visits to KC.

ish

05-29-2009, 05:04 PM

Same here. If this really was a set up by the OCSO and jail personnel, shame on them for making a big, ugly deal out of absolutely nothing, and providing a distraction which Baez has managed to milk for weeks on end. Casey is a completely insincere human being. Her reactions to situations can't be trusted any more than the words she utters.

This whole video tape thing is just annoying. It means nothing in the big scheme of things. imo

I think LE is loving that JB is making a stink over it. He is so wrapped up in this alleged cruel thing they did to his poor girl he is wasting valuable court dates and time he could be working on real issues or taking depos.

I say show the tape, show it now, let people dissect it and comment on it all they want, by the time this actually gets to trial (after all Lyon needs 15-20 hrs prep for every hour she will be in court)it will be old news. It may not even get in to the trial as evidence.

Explorer

05-29-2009, 05:05 PM

Here is a scary thought. There are probably hundreds more casey anthony/hand familys out there.:w00t:

need2no

05-29-2009, 05:05 PM

IIRC, it was the gag order hearing.

Ah...I do believe you are correct. Thanks!

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 05:06 PM

Here is a scary thought. There are probably hundreds more casey anthony/hand familys out there.:w00t:

Thank you! :punch:

Scampi

05-29-2009, 05:07 PM

Can't wait to see his prison hair. :scared:

OT - Unfortunately for some unknown reason they allowed this killer to appear at this hearing in street clothes and his wig. Many wanted to see him in orange, shackles and bald.

bballgrl

05-29-2009, 05:07 PM

:lol: Our poor Hubs, ole limpy and lefty.

Hey.... I'm willing to sacrifice. :thumbsup:

ttcRider

05-29-2009, 05:08 PM

Here is a scary thought. There are probably hundreds more casey anthony/hand familys out there.:w00t:

I think I have this years Halloween costume picked out! :laugh:

bballgrl

05-29-2009, 05:08 PM

Can't wait to see his prison hair. :scared:

I don't think he is allowed to take his "hair" with him.... ROFLMAO :lol:

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 05:08 PM

Ah...I do believe you are correct. Thanks!

I remember it because she stood up when Judge Strickland mentioned their name in regard to the gag order. She thought that was her cue. :laugh:

Wrong!

IIRC, wasn't that the morning of December 11th, right before the discovery of the remains was announced all over the media?

101Spots

05-29-2009, 05:09 PM

Anyone?
I'll take any info, links, hearings, gossip ;-)

Cliff Notes Version:

Hearing Tuesday about whether Cindy, George, and Lee would have to answer the unanswered questions in their depositions. Postponed because Brad Conway threw out his back. <wink, wink>

Hearing yesterday about whether they would release the tape of Casey as the remains were found. Postponed because Bozo filed his motion too late for the county to be able to respond, also to include the media and get their opinion.
Introduction of Andrea Lyon as DPQ lawyer, but she's not yet approved to speak in court.
Matter of Bozo wanting unlimited phone records for Jesse, Amy, and Kronk - judge told Bozo to limit the time periods, report back later.

Gossip Wed/Thur: Bozo and Casey were indeed bumping uglies while she spent all day in his office when out on bail. Jail tape shows too much familiarity, which is why Bozo doesn't want it released. Really is some family in Connecticut who's paying for all this and the Anthony's living expenses. [Idiots!]
LKB and new lawyer cannot select properly-fitting attire. Casey has packed on a few.

bballgrl

05-29-2009, 05:10 PM

I think I have this years Halloween costume picked out! :laugh:

What? A hand with the middle finger sticking up?? :thumbsup:

Explorer

05-29-2009, 05:11 PM

Thank you! :punch:

I really liked your post abouttaking the high moral ground and oppose the death penalty and then turn around and implicate the innocents. That was spot on. What if it was her or someone in HER family.

bchand

05-29-2009, 05:13 PM

Awww, need2no, thank you. I didn't mean for you to go thru that.

For you: :beer:

I found it missinglink !!

http://www.wftv.com/video/18147900/index.html

It starts about 53:20 in. Just watch her. lol

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 05:14 PM

I think LE is loving that JB is making a stink over it. He is so wrapped up in this alleged cruel thing they did to his poor girl he is wasting valuable court dates and time he could be working on real issues or taking depos.

I say show the tape, show it now, let people dissect it and comment on it all they want, by the time this actually gets to trial (after all Lyon needs 15-20 hrs prep for every hour she will be in court)it will be old news. It may not even get in to the trial as evidence.

My bolding. Not only is this another example of much ado about nothing, but Baez is trying to use it as a platform to gin up some sympathy for his girl. And it's backfiring, big time. And Tooodddd must be cut from the same moth eaten cloth, since he decided to jump to the podium yesterday and get all dramatic with himself about how cruel the OC was being treated by the big bad meanies at the sheriff's department and the jail.

Hellloooooo defense team! Skull with hair around it. Duct tape. Heart sticker. Triple bagged with her pull-ups and her little plastic horses from her bedroom. Want to talk cruel and unusual treatment? :mad:

bballgrl

05-29-2009, 05:14 PM

I found it missinglink !!

http://www.wftv.com/video/18147900/index.html

It starts about 53:20 in. Just watch her. lol

Awww, Thanks Boop! :wub:

need2no

05-29-2009, 05:15 PM

I remember it because she stood up when Judge Strickland mentioned their name in regard to the gag order. She thought that was her cue. :laugh:

Wrong!

IIRC, wasn't that the morning of December 11th, right before the discovery of the remains was announced all over the media?

LOL..doesn't take much to get that mouth open and off and running.

I believe the hearing was the end of November, but don't recall when Strickland's decision was announced.

bchand

05-29-2009, 05:16 PM

Awww, Thanks Boop! :wub:

Any time :wub: back atcha.

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 05:18 PM

I really liked your post abouttaking the high moral ground and oppose the death penalty and then turn around and implicate the innocents. That was spot on. What if it was her or someone in HER family.

Yep, when it's personal, it tends to change everything. We'll have to wait and see what Ms. Lyon is made of. But she can't have it both ways, imo. If she wants to save the OC's hide on principle, she needs to stand on that principle and not play along with any outrageous theories of defense which point the finger of blame at innocent people. If she does that, in my mind, she has no credibility, and if I were on the jury, I would dismiss her out of hand.

cuddlyrunner

05-29-2009, 05:20 PM

Cliff Notes Version:

Hearing Tuesday about whether Cindy, George, and Lee would have to answer the unanswered questions in their depositions. Postponed because Brad Conway threw out his back. <wink, wink>

Hearing yesterday about whether they would release the tape of Casey as the remains were found. Postponed because Bozo filed his motion too late for the county to be able to respond, also to include the media and get their opinion.
Introduction of Andrea Lyon as DPQ lawyer, but she's not yet approved to speak in court.
Matter of Bozo wanting unlimited phone records for Jesse, Amy, and Kronk - judge told Bozo to limit the time periods, report back later.

Gossip Wed/Thur: Bozo and Casey were indeed bumping uglies while she spent all day in his office when out on bail. Jail tape shows too much familiarity, which is why Bozo doesn't want it released. Really is some family in Connecticut who's paying for all this and the Anthony's living expenses. [Idiots!]
LKB and new lawyer cannot select properly-fitting attire. Casey has packed on a few.

Thank you x

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 05:24 PM

Gossip Wed/Thur: Bozo and Casey were indeed bumping uglies while she spent all day in his office when out on bail. Jail tape shows too much familiarity, which is why Bozo doesn't want it released. Really is some family in Connecticut who's paying for all this and the Anthony's living expenses. [Idiots!]
LKB and new lawyer cannot select properly-fitting attire. Casey has packed on a few.

<snipped to quote just the hysterical part>

:lol: :lol:

Dells

05-29-2009, 05:27 PM

I still have to wonder why Cindy, George and Lee wouldn't take a lie detectors test even when Caylee's life was on the line.

Because they were lying, and if they took a LDT, they would have certainly have failed it.

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 05:28 PM

Many Looks of Casey Anthony photo gallery.
http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/19590190/detail.html

missinglink

05-29-2009, 05:29 PM

I found it missinglink !!

http://www.wftv.com/video/18147900/index.html

It starts about 53:20 in. Just watch her. lol

OMG! Somebody slap me. I can't believe I just watched that AGAIN.

O/T I went to my mailbox a few minutes ago and nearly #@%$ my pants. On the outside of the envelope, the return address was Circuit Court, Justice Center. I thought I was in trouble for sending Cindy an email. LOL.

Instead, it's a Juror Summons for Circuit Court. CARP!!! :cursing:

Dells

05-29-2009, 05:31 PM

101Spots

05-29-2009, 05:31 PM

101Spots

05-29-2009, 05:33 PM

Many Looks of Casey Anthony photo gallery.
http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/19590190/detail.html

You're cruel. I was just going to go start supper, and you unleash the pictures.
barf

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 05:35 PM

Shouldn't there be a hearing about whether D Casey can get deposed in the ZFG case coming up soon? I remember he hired a lawyer and blew off his scheduled deposition. Surely Morgan isn't going to let that slide.

I'm wondering if M&M has backed off him since he filed the complaint to the bar against Baez, lawyered up, and for all intents and purposes disappeared from the face of the earth.

I'm wondering if he isn't playing for the right team now, IOW, and that's why Morgan is leaving him be.

The only hole in my theory is Cindy's dgator email address. That tells me there's still some connection between the A's and DCasey.

sammy62

05-29-2009, 05:36 PM

iirc...lol...I think it was at the end of the gag order hearing.
If you find it, please post a link, I had it saved to my old computer and it's one of my favorites. Cindy, sitting in the peanut gallery, was acting like she was messing with her hair, with her right hand on the side away from George, and sneaks it up as Judge Strickland was ending the hearing. The look on George's face is, well, eXtremely similar to the look Cindy gave Conway on LKL regarding visits to KC.

I believe this is the gag order hearing. But I didn't see Cindy do that. I'll keep looking.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18147900/index.html

marshmallow

05-29-2009, 05:40 PM

a thought or two about Mr Middle Finger and his upcoming role in all this.
If Casey's defense team foregoes the weak InvisiNanny defense, they might go to 'Cindy made Casey go something something with her bossy ways' excuse and that puts Mr Middle Finger in a very bad spot. Does he remain loyal to his CMAAAAAAAA and back up her Mommy dearest excuse or does he play the good son (once again?) and stand up for the Mater and the Pater and for once possibly be the child who gets attention? Right now he's laying low and staying quiet but I think Mr MF will be playing a key role in whatever defense or "excuse" they put out there to excuse Casey's murderin' ways.

Daffodil

05-29-2009, 05:53 PM

OMG! Somebody slap me. I can't believe I just watched that AGAIN.

O/T I went to my mailbox a few minutes ago and nearly #@%$ my pants. On the outside of the envelope, the return address was Circuit Court, Justice Center. I thought I was in trouble for sending Cindy an email. LOL.

Instead, it's a Juror Summons for Circuit Court. CARP!!! :cursing:

Oh, I wish we had your reaction on tape. But, would that be an invasion of your privacy?

Dick Tracy

05-29-2009, 05:56 PM

My bolding. Not only is this another example of much ado about nothing, but Baez is trying to use it as a platform to gin up some sympathy for his girl. And it's backfiring, big time. And Tooodddd must be cut from the same moth eaten cloth, since he decided to jump to the podium yesterday and get all dramatic with himself about how cruel the OC was being treated by the big bad meanies at the sheriff's department and the jail.

Hellloooooo defense team! Skull with hair around it. Duct tape. Heart sticker. Triple bagged with her pull-ups and her little plastic horses from her bedroom. Want to talk cruel and unusual treatment? :mad:

Baez (aka Defense Waterboy) doesn't have a CLUE how to handle a murder case, let alone a high profile case such as this as become. I saw him yesterday snickering in the background while LKB was answering questions, as if to say - "don't mess with us Kathi Belich. "

I also noticed how FAST the waterboy handed off to LKB.

He's a waterboy. He's not ready for the pros. He's a waterboy... Say it with me - WATERBOY.

ish

05-29-2009, 05:58 PM

missinglink

05-29-2009, 06:01 PM

Oh, I wish we had your reaction on tape. But, would that be an invasion of your privacy?

LOL! Trust me, you wouldn't have wanted to see it! I've calmed down now.

No, it wouldn't have been an invasion of my privacy because I tore that envelope open as fast as I could, right out in public. :lol:

I wanted to get the news fast, in case I had to make my grand escape!

Sandy001

05-29-2009, 06:01 PM

Same here. If this really was a set up by the OCSO and jail personnel, shame on them for making a big, ugly deal out of absolutely nothing, and providing a distraction which Baez has managed to milk for weeks on end. Casey is a completely insincere human being. Her reactions to situations can't be trusted any more than the words she utters.

This whole video tape thing is just annoying. It means nothing in the big scheme of things. imo

I don't see HOW it could be a set up. Everything in jail goes through channels and it would have had to come down from the top. There wouldn't have been enough time for this information to filter through channels in time to get Casey to the waiting room in the medical facility. Remember, she has to be chained and shackled to move from her cell to another area of the jail. That takes time.

Also I don't see how Baez can blame the delay on his getting there on the jail. Had they reached him immediately, it still would have taken time for him to get to the jail. I also do not believe there is any requirement to immediately notify the prisoner's attorney of every detail of what goes on with the prisoner.

As for privacy, there is NO privacy in jail. Most toilets are right inside the cell door where the prisoner can be seen for cell checks.

missinglink

05-29-2009, 06:03 PM

lizzard

05-29-2009, 06:12 PM

You're cruel. I was just going to go start supper, and you unleash the pictures.
barf

Guess you'll be changing your own light bulbs from now on, eh? :laugh:

msgatorslayer

05-29-2009, 06:13 PM

Bala

05-29-2009, 06:21 PM

Baez has dreams about being the next Johnny Cochrane. Someone needs to tell him some dreams turn into nightsmares.

crimeq

05-29-2009, 06:22 PM

I'm with you. Casey and Baez have formed a very close bond, and to Casey that's everything. She hasn't even glanced down the road at what can happen, she has all her eggs in the Baez basket.

I'm sure she gives Jose full "credit" for snaring this other top-notch legal talent to "help" him. They can assist him, like his law students do.

Daffodil

05-29-2009, 06:26 PM

LOL! Trust me, you wouldn't have wanted to see it! I've calmed down now.

No, it wouldn't have been an invasion of my privacy because I tore that envelope open as fast as I could, right out in public. :lol:

I wanted to get the news fast, in case I had to make my grand escape!

I just love it!!! I'm sure this is a story you will remember for years to come!!!

Pretty Leaf

05-29-2009, 06:34 PM

Didn't someone report that KC was in a common area when she saw the report of finding the body, then taken to medical?

lizzard

05-29-2009, 06:35 PM

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 06:35 PM

Lapis

05-29-2009, 06:36 PM

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 06:41 PM

The choice of the new DPQ attorney is interesting. Most of the talking heads on TV have agreed that even if convicted Casey stands little chance of getting the DP. This is one thing that JVM and NG get worked up about. Cute, white girl no DP, not so attractive, minority gets DP. I think Lyon has the experience to realize that the odds are way in her favor with Casey Anthony as far as the penalty phase, and the attention Lyon will get for her book will exceed any other publicity she could garner if she is able to represent the "most hated woman" in FL and "save her life".

Ego is reason most of these lawyers are helping Casey, I think Lyon is passionate in her anti death penalty stance, but she has an ego also and it must be fed. Another win for her and untold publicity for her book. A satisfying meal for a hungry ego?

Good point. This could be what is known as low hanging fruit for Ms. Lyon.

I confess to being a wee bit suspicious of anyone signing on to this particular defense team. :sneaky:

Oh, and if Team Casey is counting on the OC's cuteness to save her from the DP, they better start rationing her pork rinds and shopping for outfits. :scared:

AMS

05-29-2009, 06:43 PM

Does anyone know where LKB went to law school? I know she was a prosecutor in NJ early on. Lyon went to Law School at Rutgers. I'm thinking LKB made this connection. They appear to both be women of a certain age. JMO

Ding-ding-ding, Lapis. You win!

LKB went to law school at Rutgers.

http://www.randomhouse.com/author/results.pperl?authorid=67627

imo

ladeebug565

05-29-2009, 06:43 PM

the bond hearing?? saying they all were broke and could not afford a bond

aproudmom, that's the one.

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 06:43 PM

LOL! Trust me, you wouldn't have wanted to see it! I've calmed down now.

No, it wouldn't have been an invasion of my privacy because I tore that envelope open as fast as I could, right out in public. :lol:

I wanted to get the news fast, in case I had to make my grand escape!

Okay, but did you tear the envelope, or merely rip it? Were you sweaty and flushed? Did you ask for a stiff drink? :sneaky:

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 06:51 PM

Does anyone know where LKB went to law school? I know she was a prosecutor in NJ early on. Lyon went to Law School at Rutgers. I'm thinking LKB made this connection. They appear to both be women of a certain age. JMO

Linda B. Kenney is a Magna Cum Laude graduate of Rutgers School of Law and Rutgers University. http://www.randomhouse.ca/author/results.pperl?authorid=67627

Great sleuthing Lapis. :thumbup:

ETA: They are both authors too.

puleeze09

05-29-2009, 06:54 PM

I have been reading up on Ms. Lyon and by all accounts she is a very passionate opponent of the death penalty. She has been known to cry in closing arguments. Some criticize her for those dramatics, but I disagree with that because in my limited experience, many of the most successful attorneys have been dramatic.

Racehorse Haynes, Johnny Cocharan, Bruce Cutler, all dramatic in different ways. I think drama in an attorney fighting for your life is a good thing.

I don't think she cares one whit about her win/loss record, I think she wants to save this babykiller's life.

Casey's life isnt worth saving imho. She is lost to society as is her family. None of them can be redeemed anymore. They think they can be by turning to religion but it wont work unless you have a truly sincere heart and are truly repentent which they anthonys and their lackies arent.

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 06:55 PM

Has Jose (Waterboy) told Lyons she will learn to respect him. She obviously did not see that last motion before she flew all the way down from Chicago. I wonder if her track records is similar to Jose's - you know the 45 out of 47 cases he won in 2005 (as a paralegal). Maybe he should go back to his old job. He is so disgusting.

..... :lol:

lizzard

05-29-2009, 06:57 PM

Good point, marsh. I hadn't thought about what MF's ( :laugh: ) role might be in a Bad Cindy defense scenario. George's either, for that matter. Although both have already gone on various records with their own stories about the Cindy-Casey dynamic.

:lol: Imp, you miiigghhhttt want to consider writing that in full next time. Wouldn't want people to think you meant something else. :wink:

jmo

101Spots

05-29-2009, 07:00 PM

Guess you'll be changing your own light bulbs from now on, eh? :laugh:

Mercifully, I found some leftovers for him. He's too valuable to ignore. :tongue:

missinglink

05-29-2009, 07:01 PM

Okay, but did you tear the envelope, or merely rip it? Were you sweaty and flushed? Did you ask for a stiff drink? :sneaky:

I tore it...in a backwards sort of way. LOL.

I was Um, um, er, aaaa, um, you know. I was so scared I could hardly swallow. :scared:

You all have a great evening. I have to fill out my juror papers!

MrLucky917B

05-29-2009, 07:02 PM

I don't see HOW it could be a set up. Everything in jail goes through channels and it would have had to come down from the top. There wouldn't have been enough time for this information to filter through channels in time to get Casey to the waiting room in the medical facility. Remember, she has to be chained and shackled to move from her cell to another area of the jail. That takes time.

Also I don't see how Baez can blame the delay on his getting there on the jail. Had they reached him immediately, it still would have taken time for him to get to the jail. I also do not believe there is any requirement to immediately notify the prisoner's attorney of every detail of what goes on with the prisoner.

As for privacy, there is NO privacy in jail. Most toilets are right inside the cell door where the prisoner can be seen for cell checks.

I doubt that she is chained and shackled every time she leaves her cell, the medical facility is within the secured area so there would not be a reason for it. The whole thing could have been setup within minutes with a couple of phone calls.

JMO

CelticDawn

05-29-2009, 07:04 PM

Casey's life isnt worth saving imho. She is lost to society as is her family. None of them can be redeemed anymore. They think they can be by turning to religion but it wont work unless you have a truly sincere heart and are truly repentent which they anthonys and their lackies arent.

Howdy yall

ITA scampi

If youre just a reprobate mind and totally depraved and just beyond help.....even by God...That is BAD...

First I would think that a person would have to recognize that they were wrong....sinners.....and SINCERELY want to change

THESE PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THEY CAN NEGOTAITE AND HAGGLE....MAKE A DEAL WITH GOD.....

...AINT GONNA WORK THAT WAY.

imo.....of course

101Spots

05-29-2009, 07:06 PM

marshmallow

05-29-2009, 07:06 PM

I doubt that she is chained and shackled every time she leaves her cell, the medical facility is within the secured area so there would not be a reason for it. The whole thing could have been setup within minutes with a couple of phone calls.

JMO

Much as Casey and Baez want to believe it, I seriously doubt it was a huge super secret set up. She's really not that important...no matter how important she'd like to think she is. I think Baez is raising a stink for a reason. What reasons could he really have for not wanting "Casey Anthony and her Attorney Jose Baez together" to be seen. It's all about "seen" not heard. He doesn't want something seen.

If it were her reaction:
a. she got upset...perfectly normal for a Mother
or
b. she didn't... ties into the whole 'she copes oddly' excuse.

whatever it is it has Jose's boxers all twisticated up.

a side thought: I don't think it's a coinkydink that Casey's legal team is becoming all female, does anyone else?

AMS

05-29-2009, 07:09 PM

Barbara fl.

05-29-2009, 07:13 PM

:lol: Imp, you miiigghhhttt want to consider writing that in full next time. Wouldn't want people to think you meant something else. :wink:

jmo

Only you Lizzard...only you would think that...:lol:

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 07:18 PM

I doubt that she is chained and shackled every time she leaves her cell, the medical facility is within the secured area so there would not be a reason for it. The whole thing could have been setup within minutes with a couple of phone calls.

JMO

What difference does it really make? The OC is possibly the only inmate who was in OC jail for murder before the remains were found. It's too bad he doesn't spend more time trying to find the real killer if she's so innocent. moo

seeing_eye

05-29-2009, 07:20 PM

Barbara fl.

05-29-2009, 07:20 PM

Baez (aka Defense Waterboy) doesn't have a CLUE how to handle a murder case, let alone a high profile case such as this as become. I saw him yesterday snickering in the background while LKB was answering questions, as if to say - "don't mess with us Kathi Belich. "

I also noticed how FAST the waterboy handed off to LKB.

He's a waterboy. He's not ready for the pros. He's a waterboy... Say it with me - WATERBOY.

If you recall the OJ murder trial....Robert Shapiro was lead attorney.....UNTILLLLLL...F. Lee Bailey stepped in....until Johnny Cochran stepped in....Mr. Shecter stepped in and all the rest......Thennnnn, Robert Shapiro got his feelings hurt because he was made to sit at the end ofthe table and be quiet....after that, we never really heard from Robert Shapiro any more and now he is selling "do it yourself wills" on the internet....

Baez is not going to be in a solid chair at this trial....he may have to sit on Conways lap.....

Baez made a big mistake in bringing all these biggies on board....they will take over this case....the biggest case that I can ever remember, Baez will be made to look like what he is...a rookie....

lizzard

05-29-2009, 07:23 PM

That explains his um...um..ums...

He can't pronunciate when his boxers are twisticated!!! :scared:

imo

:lol::lol:

AMS

05-29-2009, 07:24 PM

If you recall the OJ murder trial....Robert Shapiro was lead attorney.....UNTILLLLLL...F. Lee Bailey stepped in....until Johnny Cochran stepped in....Mr. Shecter stepped in and all the rest......Thennnnn, Robert Shapiro got his feelings hurt because he was made to sit at the end ofthe table and be quiet....after that, we never really heard from Robert Shapiro any more and now he is selling "do it yourself wills" on the internet....

Baez is not going to be in a solid chair at this trial....he may have to sit on Conways lap.....

Baez made a big mistake in bringing all these biggies on board....they will take over this case....the biggest case that I can ever remember, Baez will be made to look like what he is...a rookie....

I wonder if his "pay" will be affected by this. Will the wealthy CT family continue to give him big bucks if all he becomes is the waterboy? I can't imagine the pot of gold had no limits....

imo

Barbara fl.

05-29-2009, 07:24 PM

The choice of the new DPQ attorney is interesting. Most of the talking heads on TV have agreed that even if convicted Casey stands little chance of getting the DP. This is one thing that JVM and NG get worked up about. Cute, white girl no DP, not so attractive, minority gets DP. I think Lyon has the experience to realize that the odds are way in her favor with Casey Anthony as far as the penalty phase, and the attention Lyon will get for her book will exceed any other publicity she could garner if she is able to represent the "most hated woman" in FL and "save her life".

Ego is reason most of these lawyers are helping Casey, I think Lyon is passionate in her anti death penalty stance, but she has an ego also and it must be fed. Another win for her and untold publicity for her book. A satisfying meal for a hungry ego?

You have truly hit the nail on the head....all of these so called experts are in it for 2 reasons....the challenge...and the publicity....and they wont let Baez take taht away from them....

I agree that Casey would not have received the death sentence...for one, she was turned in by her mother...that alone will get the DP turned into LWOP...no judge would impose the DP and leave that on her mothers conscience that she was the one who pulled the switch......JMO

Barbara fl.

05-29-2009, 07:27 PM

I wonder if his "pay" will be affected by this. Will the wealthy CT family continue to give him big bucks if all he becomes is the waterboy? I can't imagine the pot of gold had no limits....

imo

I honestly do not believe that the money is an issue in this case....it's all about the challenge and publicity.....I'm sure they are all working pro bono......but JB wont get what he is hoping here...he will remain the WATERBOY for good.....:laugh:

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 07:30 PM

What difference does it really make? The OC is possibly the only inmate who was in OC jail for murder before the remains were found. It's too bad he doesn't spend more time trying to find the real killer if she's so innocent. moo

For real. It's like he's building his entire case around this stupid flipping video of the OC reacting to the discovery of Caylee's remains. Where the heck is he headed with this? Is he going to try to say OCSD and the jail staff murdered Caylee, set up Casey, and then filmed her reaction fgs? It's nothing more than a distraction. Jose needs to focus on the important aspects of his case and stop whizzing away hours-days-weeks-months on this sort of nonsense. Imo, the man just doesn't like to work too hard.

Barbara fl.

05-29-2009, 07:34 PM

For real. It's like he's building his entire case around this stupid flipping video of the OC reacting to the discovery of Caylee's remains. Where the heck is he headed with this? Is he going to try to say OCSD and the jail staff murdered Caylee, set up Casey, and then filmed her reaction fgs? It's nothing more than a distraction. Jose needs to focus on the important aspects of his case and stop whizzing away hours-days-weeks-months on this sort of nonsense. Imo, the man just doesn't like to work too hard.

I think the rest of the team is just trying to keep him busy to pacify him.......you know, to keep him out of their hair....

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 07:37 PM

I think the rest of the team is just trying to keep him busy to pacify him.......you know, to keep him out of their hair....

Well, then they need to get Toooodddddd onboard with their program to keep Jose busy with coloring books and crayons, because he (Toooodddddd) made a fool of himself yesterday both at the podium over the stupid video, and then after the hearing during the presser. I hope he has more up his sleeve than that, coming all the way from California and all. :rolleyes:

Barbara fl.

05-29-2009, 07:38 PM

Does anyone know where LKB went to law school? I know she was a prosecutor in NJ early on. Lyon went to Law School at Rutgers. I'm thinking LKB made this connection. They appear to both be women of a certain age. JMO

I don't know about her schooling...but I'm sure she probably has her degree....But I do believe that she is the one who brought Andrea Lyons on board...Baez wouldn't have know where to find her......

LkB and AL do seem to be alot alike...:blink:

Barbara fl.

05-29-2009, 07:39 PM

Well, then they need to get Toooodddddd onboard with their program to keep Jose busy with coloring books and crayons, because he (Toooodddddd) made a fool of himself yesterday both at the podium over the stupid video, and then after the hearing during the presser. I hope he has more up his sleeve than that, coming all the way from California and all. :rolleyes:

I really think that Baez will be sitting on Conways lap when this is thru....there is no place for Baez in this team.....

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 07:41 PM

For real. It's like he's building his entire case around this stupid flipping video of the OC reacting to the discovery of Caylee's remains. Where the heck is he headed with this? Is he going to try to say OCSD and the jail staff murdered Caylee, set up Casey, and then filmed her reaction fgs? It's nothing more than a distraction. Jose needs to focus on the important aspects of his case and stop whizzing away hours-days-weeks-months on this sort of nonsense. Imo, the man just doesn't like to work too hard.
Bold is mine. ITA. He has a lot of work to do and all he's worried about is the jailhouse video. This case will never go to trial at this pace. This is his only case so he should be taking depositions every day. I remember the day he was whining when the remains were identified that the jail was cruel to the OC. He should have been the one to tell her GMAB. ETA, she already knew.

Barbara fl.

05-29-2009, 07:46 PM

My computer keeps going out, one more time and I'm out of here....
I keep losing my train of thoughts everytime I have to reboot.....

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 07:47 PM

I really think that Baez will be sitting on Conways lap when this is thru....there is no place for Baez in this team.....

..... :lol:

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 07:58 PM

I really think that Baez will be sitting on Conways lap when this is thru....there is no place for Baez in this team.....

Conway already has a bad back. Baez will be disbarred before trial imo

seeing_eye

05-29-2009, 08:00 PM

My computer keeps going out, one more time and I'm out of here....
I keep losing my train of thoughts everytime I have to reboot.....

Whenever you reboot, you must be losing all your "memory." :sad:

ttcRider

05-29-2009, 08:00 PM

seeing_eye

05-29-2009, 08:02 PM

he doesnt want to get caught with his hands down her pants... THERE! I said it!! :tongue:

I've been waiting with bated breath for someone to say it! :thumbup:

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 08:04 PM

Does anyone find it odd that Strickland hasn't recused himself from the case IF he did file a bar complaint against Baez? Just wondering :blush:

ttcRider

05-29-2009, 08:04 PM

I've been waiting with bated breath for someone to say it! :thumbup:

I feel much better now.. :laugh: Thanks!

101Spots

05-29-2009, 08:05 PM

I think the rest of the team is just trying to keep him busy to pacify him.......you know, to keep him out of their hair....

:scared: Is *THAT* what happened to it???

crimeq

05-29-2009, 08:06 PM

IF I were Jesse I would make it my business to be in that courtroom every single day of the trial (unless being a witness bars me) and If I could not be there I would have my family there very visible to the jury. It is easier to cast a shadow on some person who is not sitting right there is the courtroom for the jury to look at and evaluate. I hope he and his family are in court front and center along with anyone else the defense might take a shot at.

How sad that the good Grund family got dragged into this. Everything Casey touches is damaged, tarnished or destroyed. She has brought grief to so many people, probably permanent damage to some emotionally or financially--and of course, all of that on top of murdering her 2-yo daughter and partying like there was no tomorrow.

Well, hopefully, there will be no tomorrow for Casey.

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 08:07 PM

For anybody with better knowledge than me (not hard), isn't this from the bond hearing? I'd love to see the video, this is where she raises her hand to speak, right?I am behind (as usual), and someone may have answered this, but IIRC, this is from the gag order hearing, not the bond hearing. JMO

crimeq

05-29-2009, 08:10 PM

But just imagine what it would do to her career if she was the lawyer that put a stop to the circus atmosphere and got her client to face reality. She could actually "class up" this defense team and take the spotlight. I would imagine at this point that would be the only reason to join this team, in the hopes that you could make lemonade out of lemons. Doesn't change my opinion of what the verdict will be in this case. And personally I don't care if Casey gets the DP, LWOP is just fine as long as she doesn't walk free and procreate again.:wink:

I believe Ms Lyon does have the courage of her convictions, but she also has a book coming out in the fall .... Nice timing for her.

crimeq

05-29-2009, 08:14 PM

I know what you mean....more derogatory things have been said about Kronk, Jesse and Amy then was ever insinuated about this "Zenaida Gonzales" who is sueing......I wish they can do the same....but I don't think so...

I'd love to see Morgan take on those cases, but he's already said he intends to recover every penny Ants have/make to go to Zenaida :thumbsup: (I think his adding Cindy to the suit allows getting at any money there, but remember the FUNDation is incorporated, so there won't be personal liability. I'm not exactly sure how that works, though.)

So I don't know what he could recover for Kronk, Jesse and Amy.

seeing_eye

05-29-2009, 08:17 PM

I am behind (as usual), and someone may have answered this, but IIRC, this is from the gag order hearing, not the bond hearing. JMO

I must have been living in a cave when that hearing happened. I just watched the video, but couldn't hear very well. What did the judge say to her? Is there a transcript of the hearing?

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 08:22 PM

Does anyone know where LKB went to law school? I know she was a prosecutor in NJ early on. Lyon went to Law School at Rutgers. I'm thinking LKB made this connection. They appear to both be women of a certain age. JMOHi Lapis... Lyon went to undergraduate school at Rutgers and got her law degree from Antioch in DC, IIRC. JMO

Sandy001

05-29-2009, 08:23 PM

I doubt that she is chained and shackled every time she leaves her cell, the medical facility is within the secured area so there would not be a reason for it. The whole thing could have been setup within minutes with a couple of phone calls.

JMO You are cuffed anytime you leave the area of your cell. Corridors etc are not secure and other prisoners can be there.

The medical facility is within the jail confines, but I seriously doubt it is in the same pod as her cell.

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 08:24 PM

I think the rest of the team is just trying to keep him busy to pacify him.......you know, to keep him out of their hair....

Who knows what could be living in their hair. :scared:

Bala

05-29-2009, 08:27 PM

I'd love to see Morgan take on those cases, but he's already said he intends to recover every penny Ants have/make to go to Zenaida :thumbsup: (I think his adding Cindy to the suit allows getting at any money there, but remember the FUNDation is incorporated, so there won't be personal liability. I'm not exactly sure how that works, though.)

So I don't know what he could recover for Kronk, Jesse and Amy.

If he got a judgement against Cindy any money she made fron the foundation would be accessible funds for a judgement. Boy that would really kill her. I wonder if Morgan can file a class action suit against all the Anthony's and Jose?

Lapis

05-29-2009, 08:27 PM

Does anyone find it odd that Strickland hasn't recused himself from the case IF he did file a bar complaint against Baez? Just wondering :blush:

The judge is under a legal and ethical obligation to report any alleged wrongdoing. He is not really a witness. The complaint probably said something like "In the course of my duties as a circuit court judge it has come to my attention that ....... I have no personal knowledge of the facts of this matter."

Therefore there is no conflict.

JMO

Sandy001

05-29-2009, 08:27 PM

Well, then they need to get Toooodddddd onboard with their program to keep Jose busy with coloring books and crayons, because he (Toooodddddd) made a fool of himself yesterday both at the podium over the stupid video, and then after the hearing during the presser. I hope he has more up his sleeve than that, coming all the way from California and all. :rolleyes:

I just don't think ANY of them are knowledgable enough to deal with Kathy Belich. She really seems to do her homework on everything. I am impressed with her. Could Todd have run any faster from her?

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 08:28 PM

:scared: Is *THAT* what happened to it???

ROFL!!! :lol:

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 08:29 PM

The judge is under a legal and ethical obligation to report any alleged wrongdoing. He is not really a witness. The complaint probably said something like "In the course of my duties as a circuit court judge it has come to my attention that ....... I have no personal knowledge of the facts of this matter."

Therefore there is no conflict.

JMO
Thank you for your wisdom. :wub:

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 08:30 PM

I must have been living in a cave when that hearing happened. I just watched the video, but couldn't hear very well. What did the judge say to her? Is there a transcript of the hearing?I can't remember exactly what the judge said, but I do remember he was very patient with her.

MrLucky917B

05-29-2009, 08:32 PM

You are cuffed anytime you leave the area of your cell. Corridors etc are not secure and other prisoners can be there.

The medical facility is within the jail confines, but I seriously doubt it is in the same pod as her cell.

She isn't in a super-max, she is in a county jail!

Dick Tracy

05-29-2009, 08:32 PM

If you recall the OJ murder trial....Robert Shapiro was lead attorney.....UNTILLLLLL...F. Lee Bailey stepped in....until Johnny Cochran stepped in....Mr. Shecter stepped in and all the rest......Thennnnn, Robert Shapiro got his feelings hurt because he was made to sit at the end ofthe table and be quiet....after that, we never really heard from Robert Shapiro any more and now he is selling "do it yourself wills" on the internet....

Baez is not going to be in a solid chair at this trial....he may have to sit on Conways lap.....

Baez made a big mistake in bringing all these biggies on board....they will take over this case....the biggest case that I can ever remember, Baez will be made to look like what he is...a rookie....

Yes I remember the OJ trial. At least Shapiro had class amongst those other lawyers. He initially tried to get OJ to plead out.

He's making millions now selling those wills and legal documents on the internet. Millions.

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 08:36 PM

If he got a judgement against Cindy any money she made fron the foundation would be accessible funds for a judgement. Boy that would really kill her. I wonder if Morgan can file a class action suit against all the Anthony's and Jose?

That COULD be the reason for her downward spiral this week. M&M is creating a real thorn in her side, and when it comes to Cindy's ca$h, she gets quite testy. I'm sure Cindy figures she worked too long and hard setting up her foundations and attempting to block another living soul from earning a dime off Caylee to give anything up to the "ambulance chaser."

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 08:37 PM

She isn't in a super-max, she is in a county jail!

She had to wear waist chains and handcuffs to talk to her parents on the phone. :confused:

bchand

05-29-2009, 08:38 PM

I don't know about her schooling...but I'm sure she probably has her degree....But I do believe that she is the one who brought Andrea Lyons on board...Baez wouldn't have know where to find her......

LkB and AL do seem to be alot alike...:blink:

I believe Des posted a link about this yesterday:

Three months ago, nationally known death penalty attorney Andrea Lyon spoke in Orlando at a seminar on capital punishment put on by The Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

Lyon was back in town Thursday, this time garnering the spotlight as the newest addition to Casey Anthony's defense team.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/orl-casey-anthony-andrea-lyon-052809,0,7393137.story

I don't think they had her in mind 3 months ago. Jose couldn't keep that quiet.

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 08:41 PM

I just don't think ANY of them are knowledgable enough to deal with Kathy Belich. She really seems to do her homework on everything. I am impressed with her. Could Todd have run any faster from her?

Belich is as serious a journalist as Lyon is a defense attorney, imo. She's a force to be reckoned with, and imo, doesn't in any way fit the stereotype of the tabloid types. She's careful, accurate, and fearless. :smile:

seeing_eye

05-29-2009, 08:41 PM

I can't remember exactly what the judge said, but I do remember he was very patient with her.

I'm sure he, like the rest of the world at that time, had a great deal of sympathy for the grieving grandparents. I don't know if the judge has lost any sympathy for them at present, but I think most of the rest of the world has.

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 08:43 PM

I believe Des posted a link about this yesterday:

Three months ago, nationally known death penalty attorney Andrea Lyon spoke in Orlando at a seminar on capital punishment put on by The Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

Lyon was back in town Thursday, this time garnering the spotlight as the newest addition to Casey Anthony's defense team.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/orl-casey-anthony-andrea-lyon-052809,0,7393137.story

I don't think they had her in mind 3 months ago. Jose couldn't keep that quiet.

IMO three months ago the DP was not on the table and Jose was the lead attorney. Lapis called it correct that LKB most likely brought Lyons into the case because they both went to Rutgers. They both have the same flair for style. :huh:

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 08:45 PM

I can't remember exactly what the judge said, but I do remember he was very patient with her.

It had something to do with the gag order. The pros was requesting it, Baez was arguing against it. Somehow, Judge S brought the Anthonys' name into it (they were not in favor of it, either), but he did not ask Cindy a question. She heard her last name and thought it was her cue to put her 2 cents in, because after all, we should all hear everything she has to say. :rolleyes: I remember the judge shot her down quite quickly when she attempted to speak. Twas the highlight of that hearing, for sure. :laugh:

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 08:47 PM

She isn't in a super-max, she is in a county jail!

According to the testimony of the jail personnel, she was in waist chains. I don't think an inmate needs to be in supermax to be cuffed/shackled when in common areas. :huh:

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 08:48 PM

I'm sure he, like the rest of the world at that time, had a great deal of sympathy for the grieving grandparents. I don't know if the judge has lost any sympathy for them at present, but I think most of the rest of the world has.I agree.

Also, I think Judge Strickland is bending over backwards to make sure this is a fair trial. JMO

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 08:48 PM

She had to wear waist chains and handcuffs to talk to her parents on the phone. :confused:

Thank you! Thought I was losing what's left of my mind there for a sec.

MrLucky917B

05-29-2009, 08:50 PM

Belich is as serious a journalist as Lyon is a defense attorney, imo. She's a force to be reckoned with, and imo, doesn't in any way fit the stereotype of the tabloid types. She's careful, accurate, and fearless. :smile:

ITA Kathy is one of fairest reporters in the Orlando market.

JMO

Bala

05-29-2009, 08:53 PM

I wonder if anyone can tell me if Baez and Andrea can't get along and work together would Baez be the one to have to leave since Andrea is the DP qualified attorney and has to stay.

bchand

05-29-2009, 08:54 PM

IMO three months ago the DP was not on the table and Jose was the lead attorney. Lapis called it correct that LKB most likely brought Lyons into the case because they both went to Rutgers. They both have the same flair for style. :huh:

That's true - the death penalty was back on the table on April 13th.

http://www.wftv.com/blank/19169222/detail.html

Dick Tracy

05-29-2009, 08:56 PM

Okay, I fully realize that Jose is an idiot. But he is idiot enough to actually have his hands there in a public facility?

Shaking my head here... :ohmy:

Shaking my head here.... Annie... Annie... I think you just said what you thought you said about the waterboy.

bchand

05-29-2009, 08:56 PM

Thank you! Thought I was losing what's left of my mind there for a sec.

She definitely had handcuffs on when she was taken to the medical area because the deposition of one of the guards states she wanted them loosened.

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 08:57 PM

Thank you! Thought I was losing what's left of my mind there for a sec.
She's in protective custody and can't be around other inmates or they would do to her what the State of Florida wants to do to her. But she must get a fair trial first. imo

RootBeer

05-29-2009, 08:58 PM

I agree, no matter what, fair trial is very important.

lizzard

05-29-2009, 09:03 PM

he doesnt want to get caught with his hands down her pants... THERE! I said it!! :tongue:

I knew you would.

crimeq

05-29-2009, 09:05 PM

Interesting that this new Lawyer is against the DP, yet she defends and gets off the people that have already given the DP to someone.

What a waste of a human being , imohoo.

She believes in "redemption" and I'm sorry, with sociopaths I see no possibility of redemption. I see there can be great actors in jail who "get religion" (what else do they have to do there?) but there is no possibility of redemption for a sociopath.

Surely she must know the makeup of sociopaths.

I admire her background and achievements but I question derailing capital punishment in all cases.

crimeq

05-29-2009, 09:10 PM

You're right IMP, you have summarized Lyon's hurdles in this case. Because of her experience with criminals facing death, she may be able to get thru to the OC, where jose could or would not.

I cannot wait to read her first motion as to why the State is wrong to seek death, it may give us a clue as to her thinking and she promised us that it would be well and clearly written. :smile:

Don't you wonder why she found it necessary to say her motion would be well and clearly written in this particular case, LOL, where everything has been so badly prepared and written :biggrin: I wonder how many of Jose's motions she had read by that time. Maybe it was just enough to listen to him present in court yesterday, for her to asses what existed so far and was prepared by Jose.

crimeq

05-29-2009, 09:12 PM

I thought I had hit upon something big the other day while searching court records for Cynthia Anthony.

Right there in Orange County, there was a Cynthia Anthony, a Cynthia Maria Anthony also, that had arrest records for:

Prostitution, Child Abuse, and possession of Meth.

But, alas, it wasn't Casey's mom, Cindy.

Must be awful to have that name now, for Cindy. NOT!

Cindy should sue for defamation of her good name!

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 09:16 PM

Don't you wonder why she found it necessary to say her motion would be well and clearly written in this particular case, LOL, where everything has been so badly prepared and written :biggrin: I wonder how many of Jose's motions she had read by that time. Maybe it was just enough to listen to him present in court yesterday, for her to asses what existed so far and was prepared by Jose.lol... I took her comment about her well-written motions as a dig at Baez, also. JMO

crimeq

05-29-2009, 09:23 PM

The polygraph machine would short circuit if ever CA was hooked up. Now that would be one for the record books. Can you imagine that needle and paper action? Whoa.......:laugh:

:lol::lol: OMG!

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 09:24 PM

Yes????????? We will see about Ms. Lyons. She will have to find a way to clue the As as to what is truth or fiction. The As were acting a little upset at the hearing this week so maybe she is telling them that smell was not a pizza. No Way, Jose - is that going to fly or the Nanny bit either.
IMO she has no obligation to speak with the A's at all. She works for the OC. I think that is part of Cindy's anger, she is no longer in control of her daughter. Her attorneys are more important than Mommy & Daddy. moo

crimeq

05-29-2009, 09:24 PM

Not speaking for Casey (at all), but I can't imagine growing up as her daughter. Who could you ever trust in your life, after her?

No one. This is part of Casey's problem, IMO. She grew up in a family that didn't have normal bonds, but very dysfunctional attachments.

Casey didn't know how to make a normal bond and probably wouldn't trust very easily, because she learned not to do that either. Trusting someone would be dangerous.

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 09:26 PM

No one. This is part of Casey's problem, IMO. She grew up in a family that didn't have normal bonds, but very dysfunctional attachments.

Casey didn't know how to make a normal bond and probably wouldn't trust very easily, because she learned not to do that either. Trusting someone would be dangerous.
Trusting Casey has proven to be dangerous. Ask Caylee. moo

KittyMom

05-29-2009, 09:27 PM

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/05/jose-baez-back-on-national-tv.html

Baez said she communicates with her family through the mail, because visitations are recorded and released to the media.

Can't ya just see one of the letters from C & G to Casey?

Dear Sweetheart,
Hi.
Bye.

:sneaky:

crimeq

05-29-2009, 09:33 PM

Don't know if this has been posted before,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBoSNT3GDJ8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBKnxbNVyzo&feature=channel_page

Thanks. She's dynamite.

Her mother is head of the theater department at Roosevelt University.

We can expect very good performances from Andrea. It's somewhat scary :huh:

seeing_eye

05-29-2009, 09:35 PM

:lol::lol: OMG!

I think it would explode. :scared:

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 09:35 PM

Casey's defense team. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177180-1.jpg:chicken:

lizzard

05-29-2009, 09:36 PM

Shaking my head here.... Annie... Annie... I think you just said what you thought you said about the waterboy.

I'm not sure she knows......................

sunstar

05-29-2009, 09:38 PM

Good Morning! :seeya:

On Friday, May 29, 2008, Ricardo said Casey spent the night. page 7 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/09%20Ricardo%20Morales%20July%2025,%202008.pdf

Sorry everybody but I just started reading today's thread and I love this post! I wonder what Casey is thinking now. She'd just started seeing TonE, was still carrying on with Ricardo, etc. now it's all gone and there she sits today in her little jail cell. I sure hope getting Caylee out of the way was worth it. :mad: MOO

crimeq

05-29-2009, 09:41 PM

Taking something of Jesse' to hide with the body? Planting something of Caylee's at Jesse's apt? Whatever it was, it was evil.

imo

When we first hear about the shower, I thought Casey might have actually needed one -- if she was on the run from her parents, maybe sleeping in the car -- but Jesse said she didn't look like she needed a shower, and this was in the middle of the morning ??? if I recall correctly. So I, too, think she had something up her sleeve.

Does anyone remember the day of that shower?

sunstar

05-29-2009, 09:43 PM

I wonder if anyone can tell me if Baez and Andrea can't get along and work together would Baez be the one to have to leave since Andrea is the DP qualified attorney and has to stay.

I have no idea really, but something was said on JVM's show tonight that kind of answered another question I had about this. Somebody said it's possible that Jose & LKB will handle the guilt phase of the trial and then after Casey is convicted, Lyons will step in during the penalty phase. It kind of makes sense since this way she wouldn't be arguing innocence to the jury then turn around and try to explain "why" Casey did it. :shrug: MOO

101Spots

05-29-2009, 09:44 PM

Casey's defense team. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177180-1.jpg:chicken:

If I saw that coming at me, I'd confess. To anything.

MissElainyS

05-29-2009, 09:44 PM

Much as Casey and Baez want to believe it, I seriously doubt it was a huge super secret set up. She's really not that important...no matter how important she'd like to think she is. I think Baez is raising a stink for a reason. What reasons could he really have for not wanting "Casey Anthony and her Attorney Jose Baez together" to be seen. It's all about "seen" not heard. He doesn't want something seen.

If it were her reaction:
a. she got upset...perfectly normal for a Mother
or
b. she didn't... ties into the whole 'she copes oddly' excuse.

whatever it is it has Jose's boxers all twisticated up.

a side thought: I don't think it's a coinkydink that Casey's legal team is becoming all female, does anyone else?

I don't think it's so much of a coincidence as a strategic move on the part of Baez. He knows she has impulse control issues and takes a huge risk in having any men around her or younger attractive women even because I believe Casey is a true sociopath who will use anyone of either sex for immediate gratification, sexual or otherwise or to get whatever it is she wants at any given moment without a conscience, guilt or remorse.

I totally agree that Baez' fight for the tapes is because he wants to hide something and I don't think it has anything to do with her reaction, but more likely something more along the lines of inappropriate.

bchand

05-29-2009, 09:48 PM

When we first hear about the shower, I thought Casey might have actually needed one -- if she was on the run from her parents, maybe sleeping in the car -- but Jesse said she didn't look like she needed a shower, and this was in the middle of the morning ??? if I recall correctly. So I, too, think she had something up her sleeve.

Does anyone remember the day of that shower?

July 1st. IIRC Jesse's dad was afraid she was there to actually plant something.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/08/ng.01.html

about 1/3 of the way down the page.

eta: He was afraid she was there to grab something.

But the minute he told me that, I just had this chill that maybe she was there to grab something from that bathroom

crimeq

05-29-2009, 09:51 PM

Wonder how many times she'll ask for info from Jose before she gives up? Baez is definitely the "anti-preparation" attorney.

Baez: Not now, Andrea.

crimeq

05-29-2009, 09:53 PM

my bold

Well, that makes one.:tonguewag:

Hush, Lizzie! You will learn to r-e-s-p-e-c-t him! :tonguewag:

crimeq

05-29-2009, 09:57 PM

I actually think it might be too far-fetched to try to pin the murder itself on Cindy. My thought (at the moment) is that Casey's best chance is a story involving the fight w/Cindy on June 15th, followed by the accidental death of Caylee at Casey's hand (yes, involving duct tape and heart sticker, though I haven't noodled through all those details yet), precipitated by a lifetime (Casey's) consumed by the dysfunctional and debilitating relationship with Cindy.

I don't see how the defense can get around Casey being responsible for Caylee's death, unless they're willing to stick with phanny or concoct a new, utterly fantastic tale to tell. And with Lyon onboard, there seems less likelihood of that. So the next best thing, in my mind, is to construct a scenario in which either Casey went temporarily insane, or one in which she was so crippled by her upbringing she did the best she could with what she had.

Just my own musings, and I'm sure they are so full of holes they're leaking all over the place, lol.

Good points, and given that Lyon is on record as saying that all criminals' actions can be located in the roots of their dark childhood pasts, may be enough to show us what her strategy may be.

Lyon will have a blast watching the Cindy and George deposition tapes from Morgan's office. :laugh:

sunstar

05-29-2009, 09:58 PM

If I saw that coming at me, I'd confess. To anything.

It is kind of scary, isn't it??!! :scared:

sunstar

05-29-2009, 10:01 PM

Good points, and given that Lyon is on record as saying that all criminals' actions can be located in the roots of their dark childhood pasts, may be enough to show us what her strategy may be.

Lyon will have a blast watching the Cindy and George deposition tapes from Morgan's office. :laugh:

This is what's confusing me though ~ unless like I posted a little while ago about what was suggested on JVM's show is true ~ that she'll only try the penalty phase. Then I could see her dig into the Anthonys and throw them both under the bus to try to save Casey from the DP, but up to that point, Casey is supposed to be "innocent". MOO

lizzard

05-29-2009, 10:03 PM

Baez: Not now, Andrea.

Andrea: Shut up.

101Spots

05-29-2009, 10:03 PM

It is kind of scary, isn't it??!! :scared:

*KINDA* scary? That trio would stop a cement truck dead in its tracks and send it running for Mommy.

101Spots

05-29-2009, 10:10 PM

I realize that I'm a sad, lonely, fat blogger who has no real life... but where did everyone go?! :mellow:

We're just waiting for Jose to bring us our water. :biggrin:

CelticDawn

05-29-2009, 10:11 PM

really3997

05-29-2009, 10:12 PM

I realize that I'm a sad, lonely, fat blogger who has no real life... but where did everyone go?! :mellow:

sorry I was in my neutral place

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 10:14 PM

If I saw that coming at me, I'd confess. To anything.

The OC does look scared. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177192-1.jpg

101Spots

05-29-2009, 10:14 PM

Yall know...during WAR REENACTMENTS...like those battle of New Orleans/war of 1812....which was actually 1814.......and civil war Reenactments....there are these boys that carry these LARGE BUCKETS on the reenactment field.....so that the reenactors may go potty

enough said..... <hee-hee>

Mel Brooks: "It's good to be the king."

Same situation.

Dick Tracy

05-29-2009, 10:16 PM

I actually think it might be too far-fetched to try to pin the murder itself on Cindy. My thought (at the moment) is that Casey's best chance is a story involving the fight w/Cindy on June 15th, followed by the accidental death of Caylee at Casey's hand (yes, involving duct tape and heart sticker, though I haven't noodled through all those details yet), precipitated by a lifetime (Casey's) consumed by the dysfunctional and debilitating relationship with Cindy.

I don't see how the defense can get around Casey being responsible for Caylee's death, unless they're willing to stick with phanny or concoct a new, utterly fantastic tale to tell. And with Lyon onboard, there seems less likelihood of that. So the next best thing, in my mind, is to construct a scenario in which either Casey went temporarily insane, or one in which she was so crippled by her upbringing she did the best she could with what she had.

Just my own musings, and I'm sure they are so full of holes they're leaking all over the place, lol.

Don't know how I missed this wonderful bit of what-if musings earlier today, but great post! There is such a thing as temporary insanity defense, right?

Oh Geezus. ETA - Nahh..... The whole thing stinks of premeditation starting with those 3/17 internet searches.. Seeya! lol.

Heyes

05-29-2009, 10:17 PM

Casey's defense team. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177180-1.jpg:chicken:

DAAAAAYUMMMMM!

Evening all!

really3997

05-29-2009, 10:19 PM

The OC does look scared. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177192-1.jpg

Thats "stay away from man, lady ? "

sunstar

05-29-2009, 10:19 PM

*KINDA* scary? That trio would stop a cement truck dead in its tracks and send it running for Mommy.

:lol: We'll just have to wait and see if the jury agrees!!!

sunstar

05-29-2009, 10:20 PM

The OC does look scared. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177192-1.jpg

OMG ~ she sure does!! :scared: These are great photos!

Dick Tracy

05-29-2009, 10:20 PM

Yall know...during WAR REENACTMENTS...like those battle of New Orleans/war of 1812....which was actually 1814.......and civil war Reenactments....there are these boys that carry these LARGE BUCKETS on the reenactment field.....so that the reenactors may go potty

enough said..... <hee-hee>

LOVE IT!!

Is that like a getting a job at Hoover dam, and becoming a dam tour guide? Dealing with all those tourist folk on the dam tour bus?

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 10:21 PM

Thats "stay away from man, lady ? "

IMO Casey doesn't like her new lead counselor http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47178962.jpg

I'm up past my bedtime.

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:22 PM

Good points, and given that Lyon is on record as saying that all criminals' actions can be located in the roots of their dark childhood pasts, may be enough to show us what her strategy may be.

Lyon will have a blast watching the Cindy and George deposition tapes from Morgan's office. :laugh:

If that's the direction Lyon wants to go in, the A's have already provided her with a virtual smorgasbord of public demonstrations of how Casey came to be the odious creature we see before us today. :laugh:

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 10:22 PM

Thanks. She's dynamite.

Her mother is head of the theater department at Roosevelt University.

We can expect very good performances from Andrea. It's somewhat scary :huh:She is a very good lawyer... and I personally applaud her anti-DP stance. However, she is going to have a hard time, IMO, applying her racial-ethnic discrimination logic to this case. Among other things.... JMO

CelticDawn

05-29-2009, 10:23 PM

sorry I was in my neutral place

I hope that you have returned COMFORTED......

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 10:23 PM

101Spots

05-29-2009, 10:23 PM

IMO Casey doesn't like her new lead counselor http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47178962.jpg

I'm up past my bedtime.

Conway looks like he's POed he's not at the "famous" table.

sunstar

05-29-2009, 10:23 PM

IMO Casey doesn't like her new lead counselor http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47178962.jpg

I'm up past my bedtime.

And I'd suspect her mother likes her even less since she's not a "10". :laugh:

Sandy001

05-29-2009, 10:23 PM

She isn't in a super-max, she is in a county jail!
I am talking about jails, not supermaxes. There are different pods. The medical facility is ususally in a separate location and prisoners are excorted through halls in cuffs. Standard operating procedures. At least in all the jails I have toured with my students. Doctors and nurses do not do "cell calls." And the cuffs are to protect them and officers.

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 10:24 PM

She is a very good lawyer... and I personally applaud her anti-DP stance. However, she is going to have a hard time, IMO, applying her racial-ethnic discrimination logic to this case. Among other things.... JMO

I would have respect for her if she cared about crime victims instead of murderers. moo

really3997

05-29-2009, 10:25 PM

I hope that you have returned COMFORTED......

Yes after I read under my blanket.

CelticDawn

05-29-2009, 10:25 PM

IMO Casey doesn't like her new lead counselor http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47178962.jpg

I'm up past my bedtime.

that look says a lot.... :lol:

CelticDawn

05-29-2009, 10:27 PM

Conway looks like he's POed he's not at the "famous" table.

I know Im going to hell for this but I would REALLY like to ...errr...."lubricate the wheels" of Mr conways chair....

THE MAN AMKES ME SICK!!!!!!!

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 10:27 PM

that look says a lot.... :lol:
Compared to the way she looks at her male attorney.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/omgskankish.jpg

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:28 PM

This is what's confusing me though ~ unless like I posted a little while ago about what was suggested on JVM's show is true ~ that she'll only try the penalty phase. Then I could see her dig into the Anthonys and throw them both under the bus to try to save Casey from the DP, but up to that point, Casey is supposed to be "innocent". MOO

Don't you think, though, that the already shaky credibility of the defense would be blown completely apart if Baez and company mount a theory of defense that doesn't fly with the jury, and then Lyon comes up the rear with her mop and bucket and tries to clean up after them with a story that doesn't have a thing to do with what they presented as a defense during trial?

Example: Baez goes with either the nanny story or he tries to pin the murder on Jesse. The jury doesn't buy it and convicts Casey. Then Lyon comes in during the penalty phase and says ... what? Never mind, we were just kidding about the invisi-nanny? What really happened is this ... ??

I think they need a coherent story that will flow from the beginning of the guilt phase right through to the penalty phase. And imo, in order for that to happen, Lyon has to take charge. I don't see any other way to make this dog hunt.

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:30 PM

I realize that I'm a sad, lonely, fat blogger who has no real life... but where did everyone go?! :mellow:

Everyone, who, little Pooh?

really3997

05-29-2009, 10:30 PM

Compared to the way she looks at her male attorney.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/omgskankish.jpg

what the heck is going on with her shirt..looks homemade

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:31 PM

sorry I was in my neutral place

Is that a snore-free zone? :w00t:

Heyes

05-29-2009, 10:31 PM

Compared to the way she looks at her male attorney.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/omgskankish.jpg

As soon as loverboy..er...waterboy....er,,um, baez starts seeing her be flirty with his co council, ( is he wearing a green shirt?), he'll be gone. What happened to the little guy that was assisting baez in the beginning? He sat on baez's right in that gag order hearing that one of our lovely posters recently posted.

KittyMom

05-29-2009, 10:31 PM

Casey's defense team. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177180-1.jpg:chicken:

As soon as I clicked that link circus theme music started in my head. :huh:

really3997

05-29-2009, 10:31 PM

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:32 PM

The OC does look scared. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177192-1.jpg

Jeez, I dunno. Looks more like devil woman in that one. To me, anyway.

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 10:33 PM

I would have respect for her if she cared about crime victims instead of murderers. mooI understand your stance. However, I think we can rest assured that Lyons is here SOLELY for the purpose of getting Casey off Death Row. JMO

Heyes

05-29-2009, 10:33 PM

I know Im going to hell for this but I would REALLY like to ...errr...."lubricate the wheels" of Mr conways chair....

THE MAN AMKES ME SICK!!!!!!!
Sooooo conway doesn't have any other clients than the anthony's? What's the deal? None of these lawyers seem to have other obligations.

jammies

05-29-2009, 10:33 PM

I would have respect for her if she cared about crime victims instead of murderers. moo

Ditto. I just can't get all worked up for a defense attorney that weeps for criminals and looks for excuses to get them off. waaa waaaa. NOT.

really3997

05-29-2009, 10:33 PM

Is that a snore-free zone? :w00t:

Now Imperfect if you ask him he does not snore...its me I hear snore :wink:

*MoonRider*

05-29-2009, 10:33 PM

Goodnight peeps, my Cindy finger needs some rest from all that clicking on my mouse. :seeya:

Dick Tracy

05-29-2009, 10:33 PM

We're just waiting for Jose to bring us our water. :biggrin:

and years from now? a menu at the local Howard Johnsons...

But seriously folks, I think Andrea Lyon is going to have her hands full, with Casey. CASEY is never going to admit to the fact that she killed her kid with premeditation, even though she did. How does a lawyer defend their client without knowing the truth. They don't. Just ask Mark Geragos. The proof is in all the discovery that's been released so far! It's evidence that she wanted to be a party girl! Fusian(sp?) Night Club. Everyone come and see me look good at Fusian... I'm.... working there... I think I'm working. Well...

Caylee died, the last person to see her alive was Casey, because there was no Zenaida Gonzalez in Casey's life. It was a fabricated person, a combination of names from mailboxes, guest cards and whatever. And a month later, Casey's car shows up smelling like something died in there. Well.... yeah...

I'm all over the place here, but it would take a MULTI-MILLION dollar defense team to even have half a chance of getting Casey off (see OJ Simpson Murder trial). There is premeditation, there is motive, and there is means, and there is opportunity. And, there's that dang car...

101Spots

05-29-2009, 10:34 PM

Compared to the way she looks at her male attorney.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/omgskankish.jpg

Predator alert.......

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 10:34 PM

CelticDawn

05-29-2009, 10:35 PM

Compared to the way she looks at her male attorney.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/omgskankish.jpg

I'm pretty sure the woman sees right through casey and probably hasn't hidden that fact from her.

Im sure she is VERY displeased at being "disrespected"...and "poor Jose" is kept busy trying to smoothe her feathers....or should I say QUILLS

KittyMom

05-29-2009, 10:35 PM

IMO Casey doesn't like her new lead counselor http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47178962.jpg

I'm up past my bedtime.

She better learn to like her. That woman is holding her fate in her hands.

really3997

05-29-2009, 10:35 PM

Sooooo conway doesn't have any other clients than the anthony's? What's the deal? None of these lawyers seem to have other obligations.

I am thinking he is dropping the A's soon (the honeymoon is over) JMO

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 10:35 PM

what the heck is going on with her shirt..looks homemadeNope.. it is just a few buttons short of.... something...

SandyO

05-29-2009, 10:36 PM

As soon as I clicked that link circus theme music started in my head. :huh:

I heard marching band music, like just before the tanks roll by.

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 10:37 PM

As soon as loverboy..er...waterboy....er,,um, baez starts seeing her be flirty with his co council, ( is he wearing a green shirt?), he'll be gone. What happened to the little guy that was assisting baez in the beginning? He sat on baez's right in that gag order hearing that one of our lovely posters recently posted.lol... that is Kassen, the little guy.. he is dealing with the ZFG lawsuit. This other attorney is Baez' sidekick.. I have forgotten his name. JMO

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:37 PM

Don't know how I missed this wonderful bit of what-if musings earlier today, but great post! There is such a thing as temporary insanity defense, right?

Oh Geezus. ETA - Nahh..... The whole thing stinks of premeditation starting with those 3/17 internet searches.. Seeya! lol.

I actually think the internet searches for weirdo items like "neck breaking" and "shovel" could be explained away much more effectively than some of the other stunts the OC pulled. Imo, as far as premeditation goes, the duct tape and heart sticker will be much harder to explain (as in, impossible). The internet searches, not so much. "Shovel" is a band, for example. And posters here have found hiphop type definitions for some of the other terms she searched on in the Urban Dictionary. Now, if she had Googled "how to kill your toddler and not get caught," I'd feel differently. But so far I'm not so impressed with the subjects she searched nor the timing of those searches. That's just me, though.

sunstar

05-29-2009, 10:38 PM

Don't you think, though, that the already shaky credibility of the defense would be blown completely apart if Baez and company mount a theory of defense that doesn't fly with the jury, and then Lyon comes up the rear with her mop and bucket and tries to clean up after them with a story that doesn't have a thing to do with what they presented as a defense during trial?

Example: Baez goes with either the nanny story or he tries to pin the murder on Jesse. The jury doesn't buy it and convicts Casey. Then Lyon comes in during the penalty phase and says ... what? Never mind, we were just kidding about the invisi-nanny? What really happened is this ... ??

I think they need a coherent story that will flow from the beginning of the guilt phase right through to the penalty phase. And imo, in order for that to happen, Lyon has to take charge. I don't see any other way to make this dog hunt.

I completely agree! Since Casey's statements to LE involve the "invisi-nanny" ZFG being the kidnapper, don't they have to stick with this or else admit to the jury that Casey lied to LE? And if she can lie to LE then can't the jury consider everything else she says a lie? And all these months, Baez has been saying she's innocent and LKB is supposed to be there to counter the scientific evidence. So I think they're stuck with SODDI even through the penalty phase, assuming of course, Casey's found guilty. MOO

Heyes

05-29-2009, 10:39 PM

I am thinking he is dropping the A's soon (the honeymoon is over) JMO

I think the humiliation of cindy pushing his chair out of the way( end of ZG deposition), and treating him like a child instead of being an adult and asking him to please move was just a tiny window into what this man has been putting up with since he decided to sell his soul to the devil. You may very well be right really. His vibe lately isn't good.

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 10:40 PM

I'm pretty sure the woman sees right through casey and probably hasn't hidden that fact from her.

Im sure she is VERY displeased at being "disrespected"...and "poor Jose" is kept busy trying to smoothe her feathers....or should I say QUILLSlol at quills...

I think Lyon is a formidable attorney. However, I think she is just there for the penalty phase (which she may "win" with a LWOP sentence, but that works for me). JMO

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:40 PM

And I'd suspect her mother likes her even less since she's not a "10". :laugh:

She does have long, brown straight in places, curly in places hair though. :laugh:

Anyone get a look at her choppers? :glare:

Heyes

05-29-2009, 10:41 PM

lol... that is Kassen, the little guy.. he is dealing with the ZFG lawsuit. This other attorney is Baez' sidekick.. I have forgotten his name. JMO

Awww thanks gaelicpeas, too many characters in this play. lol

spiritwolf46

05-29-2009, 10:41 PM

Casey's defense team. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177180-1.jpg:chicken:

Ummm......anyone remember the bugs bunny cartoon with the witch in it, that everytime she took off, hairpins flew out of her hair? :chicken:

Heyes

05-29-2009, 10:42 PM

Ummm......anyone remember the bugs bunny cartoon with the witch in it, that everytime she took off, hairpins flew out of her hair? :chicken:

LOL LOL LOL snort!

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:42 PM

Compared to the way she looks at her male attorney.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/omgskankish.jpg

Oh HELL yeah! What a contrast! She's totally in her comfort zone with men, isn't she? Guess she hasn't met one yet she hasn't been able to ... whatever. :sneaky:

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:43 PM

Compared to the way she looks at her male attorney.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/omgskankish.jpg

OMG! Just saw your file name on that pic! ROFL! :lol:

lizzard

05-29-2009, 10:43 PM

sorry I was in my neutral place

Did you have anyone to comfort you?:crying:

jammies

05-29-2009, 10:44 PM

Nope.. it is just a few buttons short of.... something...

snicker....:lol:

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 10:44 PM

Awww thanks gaelicpeas, too many characters in this play. lolYou're welcome. I wonder if there is any jealousy over KC between Baez and his sidekick? JMO

really3997

05-29-2009, 10:45 PM

She does have long, brown straight in places, curly in places hair though. :laugh:

Anyone get a look at her choppers? :glare:

Well she certainly is not in her 20's

sunstar

05-29-2009, 10:45 PM

She does have long, brown straight in places, curly in places hair though. :laugh:

Anyone get a look at her choppers? :glare:
Remembering so well what Cindy said to ZG during the deposition, "you're cute ma'am but you're not a 10" I can't help but wonder what she thinks of Ms. Lyons. Now I can see her liking LKB, especially since her job is to discredit the forensics, especially the odor of decomp, er, I mean pizza, in the trunk. :biggrin: MOO

gaelicpeas

05-29-2009, 10:45 PM

his sidekick.. whatever his name is.. sure rushed up to the table to sit beside her... JMO

really3997

05-29-2009, 10:45 PM

Did you have anyone to comfort you?:crying:

only if you count the snore machine

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:46 PM

As soon as loverboy..er...waterboy....er,,um, baez starts seeing her be flirty with his co council, ( is he wearing a green shirt?), he'll be gone. What happened to the little guy that was assisting baez in the beginning? He sat on baez's right in that gag order hearing that one of our lovely posters recently posted.

IIRC that was Kasen. He's her attorney for the civil suit. You wouldn't necessarily know that, since he hasn't shown up for a single deposition in that case. :rolleyes:

Dick Tracy

05-29-2009, 10:46 PM

I actually think the internet searches for weirdo items like "neck breaking" and "shovel" could be explained away much more effectively than some of the other stunts the OC pulled. Imo, as far as premeditation goes, the duct tape and heart sticker will be much harder to explain (as in, impossible). The internet searches, not so much. "Shovel" is a band, for example. And posters here have found hiphop type definitions for some of the other terms she searched on in the Urban Dictionary. Now, if she had Googled "how to kill your toddler and not get caught," I'd feel differently. But so far I'm not so impressed with the subjects she searched nor the timing of those searches. That's just me, though.

Hmm.... yes, the duct tape and sticker, and triple bagging little Caylee like she's trash, that's going to be difficult to explain. However, she could have been dead when she did the duct tape and the sticker. WE don't know. Casey could have made it look like some else did it (although she was not meticulous or real smart about it). I was thinking more in the lines, of evidence of premeditation before the 15th of June. Evidence of her buying duct tape... or stuff to make chloroform (like those CC charges that Cindy is desperately trying to hide).

But I do see your point..

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:48 PM

Carp, Casey losses

Yeah, no kidding. Wonder how much Team Casey would pay me to try to invent one for them? It would of course have to heavily involve Cynthia. :sneaky: <insert evil mustache twirl icon here>

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:49 PM

Sooooo conway doesn't have any other clients than the anthony's? What's the deal? None of these lawyers seem to have other obligations.

And yet they're all working pro bono for the Anthonys. Go figure. Must be raining money in the Or-Lawn-Do area.

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:50 PM

Goodnight peeps, my Cindy finger needs some rest from all that clicking on my mouse. :seeya:

'Nite, Moonie. Thanks for the laughs today. :laugh:

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:51 PM

Now Imperfect if you ask him he does not snore...its me I hear snore :wink:

The ex claimed he didn't snore either. God, I miss that man. Not.

JHP

05-29-2009, 10:52 PM

Well she certainly is not in her 20's

No, shes not. Did I read earlier that she has a 9 year old?

crimeq

05-29-2009, 10:52 PM

I have thought since we found out about that fight with Cindy that somehow Caylee got in the way of those two fighting and something happened to her. It has stayed at the back of my mind.

Sorry, I just don't think Casey is smart enought to even figure out how to dispose of the body with out someone's help. She was never smart enough to do this and not get caught but I don't think she was smart enough to even dispose of that child's body. Just my thoughts.

On an off topic, no court next week, perp took the plea, Yea!

Well, she didn't dispose of it "smartly." I think Caylee's body was in the trunk the day George was doing the gas can thing, and being so close to caught, Casey panicked and threw out Caylee's little body the first place she could, after peeling out of the Anthony driveway.

She wasn't smart at all about it. I'm sure she was amazed that it took so long for Caylee's body to be found. As time went on, and helped by rains/hurricane, Casey thought she'd lucked out even though she put Caylee in such an accessible place, and so close to home.

She must have thought she had a great run of luck.

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 10:53 PM

Predator alert.......

Dang, no kidding! She should come with a warning horn like those backup beeps on big trucks.

crimeq

05-29-2009, 10:55 PM

I wonder if Senor Baez called her, or if AL got in touch with him.

I think I heard she spoke at a law seminar in Florida relatively recently. Maybe Baez heard her there, or heard of her there. He's such a new attorney himself that he may not have been conversant with the names of death-qualified defense attornies.

ttcRider

05-29-2009, 10:56 PM

I realize that I'm a sad, lonely, fat blogger who has no real life... but where did everyone go?! :mellow:

I'm here! Just having the George Special, P&B's. :laugh:

lizzard

05-29-2009, 10:59 PM

Remembering so well what Cindy said to ZG during the deposition, "you're cute ma'am but you're not a 10" I can't help but wonder what she thinks of Ms. Lyons. Now I can see her liking LKB, especially since her job is to discredit the forensics, especially the odor of decomp, er, I mean pizza, in the trunk. :biggrin: MOO

Dead refrigerator food. Or squirrels. I confuse easily. :blink:

Dells

05-29-2009, 11:00 PM

I believe Des posted a link about this yesterday:

Three months ago, nationally known death penalty attorney Andrea Lyon spoke in Orlando at a seminar on capital punishment put on by The Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

Lyon was back in town Thursday, this time garnering the spotlight as the newest addition to Casey Anthony's defense team.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/orl-casey-anthony-andrea-lyon-052809,0,7393137.story

I don't think they had her in mind 3 months ago. Jose couldn't keep that quiet.

Bolding mine....

I don't think so either. 3 months ago, the DP wasn't even on the table.

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 11:00 PM

I completely agree! Since Casey's statements to LE involve the "invisi-nanny" ZFG being the kidnapper, don't they have to stick with this or else admit to the jury that Casey lied to LE? And if she can lie to LE then can't the jury consider everything else she says a lie? And all these months, Baez has been saying she's innocent and LKB is supposed to be there to counter the scientific evidence. So I think they're stuck with SODDI even through the penalty phase, assuming of course, Casey's found guilty. MOO

Imo, if Lyon can convince Casey to run with it, Casey will have a "moment of clarity" at some point before the trial, during which a much more plausible story of what happened to Caylee will emerge. It will HAVE TO involve Casey, however, but it can be spun to make her look much more sympathetic than she does at the moment. Think accident. Think terrified of her mother. Now, it won't have her looking angelic by any means ... the way that baby was dumped will put the OC in a terrible light no matter what the new story involves. But I do think there are ways to spin the tale of what happened that could be much more favorable in terms of the jury's opinion of Casey. I think she'll still be convicted, but I think her life can be spared if that's what Lyon's goal is. However, Casey MUST go along for the ride. She's no longer in charge. She needs to go along with the program, unless she's angling to be put to death some day by the state of Florida. imo

really3997

05-29-2009, 11:01 PM

Dead refrigerator food. Or squirrels. I confuse easily. :blink:

don't forget the pieces of meat DL found..Hey where is he anyway...

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 11:02 PM

I think the humiliation of cindy pushing his chair out of the way( end of ZG deposition), and treating him like a child instead of being an adult and asking him to please move was just a tiny window into what this man has been putting up with since he decided to sell his soul to the devil. You may very well be right really. His vibe lately isn't good.

I agree. And no surprise. How long could any normal human being, especially a man who I *think* came into this thing with good intentions, put up with Cindy Anthony?

Bala

05-29-2009, 11:04 PM

I would love to know what Baez's wife thinks about all the up close and personal time Baez spends with Casey. I'll bet she is dying to see that tape.

Imperfect4

05-29-2009, 11:06 PM

No, shes not. Did I read earlier that she has a 9 year old?

I think we decided earlier today that child is much older now -- like 19 or into his/her 20's. The article saying she had a 9 year old was written in the 90's.

sunstar

05-29-2009, 11:06 PM

Well, she didn't dispose of it "smartly." I think Caylee's body was in the trunk the day George was doing the gas can thing, and being so close to caught, Casey panicked and threw out Caylee's little body the first place she could, after peeling out of the Anthony driveway.

She wasn't smart at all about it. I'm sure she was amazed that it took so long for Caylee's body to be found. As time went on, and helped by rains/hurricane, Casey thought she'd lucked out even though she put Caylee in such an accessible place, and so close to home.

She must have thought she had a great run of luck.
I've long thought she was dumped right after George retrieved his gas cans, just by Casey's reaction to him that day. I do think the place where Caylee was left, though, was partly due to her knowing the area and to spite her mother by having the remains so close to the house. But what I can't quite figure out is Casey telling one of her friends, before Caylee died, about a smell in the car. I just don't think she planned on having the body in the car that long or is bright enough to have known the car would smell. :confused: MOO

really3997

05-29-2009, 11:07 PM

I would love to know what Baez's wife thinks about all the up close and personal time Baez spends with Casey. I'll bet she is dying to see that tape.

Ok now I have seen her..and all I can tell you is Baez is an idiot if he ruined his married with shirt to tight girl..She is very pretty and NOT in a backward sort of way

ttcRider

05-29-2009, 11:07 PM

I would love to know what Baez's wife thinks about all the up close and personal time Baez spends with Casey. I'll bet she is dying to see that tape.

Jose who? :w00t: :wink:

sunstar

05-29-2009, 11:09 PM

Dead refrigerator food. Or squirrels. I confuse easily. :blink:

And potatoes too! :laugh: I think the best one was Cindy comparing it to her refrigerator though.

crimeq

05-29-2009, 11:09 PM

Hey, about time you rolled in on this. I am so glad you share my opinion of Andrea Lyon. I really admire her, but hate to see casey anthony benefitting from her talents.

Her presence is going to make this trial much more interesting for me.

I do have a concern tho, that with the trial over a year away, many things can happen.....

I agree. I think we're going to find out that Andrea is truly awesome. I hate to see Casey benefit from her talents! And yes, the trial just became a very interesting prospect. Much as I don't want Andrea on Casey's side, I do look forward to seeing her in action :wink:

crimeq

05-29-2009, 11:14 PM

You and I are on the same page in the same book, n2n. I'd temporarily forgotten the paternity wild card, so who knows where that could lead. As for the rest of your scenario, I'm right there with ya. I have given all this ENTIRELY too much thought for WAY too long, and this is the only story I can come up with that might cause a jury to spare the OC's life and give her LWOP. Imo, that's the absolute best she'll ever do on this -- LWOP.

This is the logical defense scenario. Cindy won't be a happy camper :wink:

crimeq

05-29-2009, 11:20 PM

who knows why LKB said that casey is no ted bundy... as if anyone was accusing casey of being a serial killer!
iirc, LKB is the one who made the comment about a one armed 'nanny'? (paraphrasing, so i hope someone remembers exactly what it was that she said)

weird

I think she was talking about the evil factor, not necessarily a serial killer factor. Perhaps that Casey is being perceived as evil as Ted Bundy. But I'm not so sure that's incorrect; I don't know that there are identifiable, discernible "levels" of evil when it comes to murder, and especially not when it comes to the murder of your very own little helpless 2yo daughter.

OK, I convinced myself, Casey is every bit as evil as Ted Bundy.

crimeq

05-29-2009, 11:21 PM

Does anyone remember what the poster was trying to say to us a few months back (she''d say a little bird was telling her things)?

Something about something big eventually going to come out. I can't recall what it was.

I think she was banned after that, so I guess there's nowhere to search for those posts.

Anyone remember this too?

Yes, I think she had a DIL or SIL who was in LE in Florida and supposedly had an inside track. Pity she's not around any more???

seeing_eye

05-29-2009, 11:21 PM

The OC does look scared. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/47177192-1.jpg

She looks squeezed in to me.

Anakerie

05-29-2009, 11:22 PM

IIRC that was Kasen. He's her attorney for the civil suit. You wouldn't necessarily know that, since he hasn't shown up for a single deposition in that case. :rolleyes:
I guess they do things differently in Florida... Here in California, the few times I've had to be at depositions, lawyers for ALL sides are there.. Not all asking questions, but all are there observing...

SandyO

05-29-2009, 11:23 PM

I think she was talking about the evil factor, not necessarily a serial killer factor. Perhaps that Casey is being perceived as evil as Ted Bundy. But I'm not so sure that's incorrect; I don't know that there are identifiable, discernible "levels" of evil when it comes to murder, and especially not when it comes to the murder of your very own little helpless 2yo daughter.

OK, I convinced myself, Casey is every bit as evil as Ted Bundy.

In all probability if Casey could have figured out a way to do it, all three of them would have been gonners ---- not only Caylee, but Cindy and George, too. If Casey could have gotten away with Caylee's disappearance, George and Cindy might have been her next intended victims.