Friday, May 29, 2009 #1

[aproudmom]

Later all!

Have a good morning!

thank you spirit have a great day

[AMS]

Baez: Fight To Seal Jail Video Far From Over

http://www.wftv.com/news/19600242/detail.html

imo

[Imperfect4]

I love you post:thumbup: you really need to change your sig name to perfect..lol

Thanks, mom. :blush:

Unfortunately, I'm so far from perfect I can't even see it from here. :laugh:

[ruth66]

Just my opinion, but I think that Jose focused on Jesse yesterday to make us think he's going after him, reverse psychology. I think he might try to finger Amy, since she's the one who went to Puerto Rico(was it). And then, he can say Casey took money from her to get even (well, not even, because nothing can compare to Caylee's death), and hoping Casey can get off on the theft charges with Amy and murder. I know that sounds stupid, but you know Baez's thinking.

Nope, I think he's focusing on Amy or Cindy.


Actually, if they want to make the claim sound plausible CA is the more believable culprit. She has proven herself to have some sort of mental defect, just look at every (and I mean every) interview she has ever done. She may have been the one to call 911, that being the only sane thing she has done so far. They could say see called 911 as a way to pin it on Casey. At this point, could you put anything past CA? She has dug herself quite the hole.

[SandyO]

Actually, if they want to make the claim sound plausible CA is the more believable culprit. She has proven herself to have some sort of mental defect, just look at every (and I mean every) interview she has ever done. She may have been the one to call 911, that being the only sane thing she has done so far. They could say see called 911 as a way to pin it on Casey. At this point, could you put anything past CA? She has dug herself quite the hole.

And the hell of it is that Casey would go right along with that scenario without a blink.

[Imperfect4]

To be quite honest, I find it offensive for any of those lawyers to be claiming their client "innocent" when she most certainly is guilty of something. At the very least child neglect. Not to mention the theft charges she faces. Calling Casey innocent is like calling CA religious. :laugh:

I think she should go down for the lying alone. And her mommy should go right along with her. :sneaky:

[missinglink]

Actually, if they want to make the claim sound plausible CA is the more believable culprit. She has proven herself to have some sort of mental defect, just look at every (and I mean every) interview she has ever done. She may have been the one to call 911, that being the only sane thing she has done so far. They could say see called 911 as a way to pin it on Casey. At this point, could you put anything past CA? She has dug herself quite the hole.

If I were Cindy, I would be very afraid of Casey pinning this on her.

[marshmallow]

Baez: Fight To Seal Jail Video Far From Over

http://www.wftv.com/news/19600242/detail.html

imo



he's fighting harder to seal the video than he has for anything else in this case.

[ladeebug565]

I'm wondering if anyone has a link to video or transcript from when Cindy stood up and spoke in a court room, perhaps one of Casey's first court appearances. Thanks!

[aproudmom]

I see huge problems with this defense. They all have enormous egos and so does the defendant. How will this work?:confused: :w00t:

I see a lot of butt heading in this case they all want to be the boss the last DP lawyer even said him and JB did not agree on the defense they were going with and him and JB had a falling out

[Scampi]

I do believe you are enjoying the possibility of Baez and his nonsense being OUT! :biggrin:


imo

....and at the very talented hands of this woman, oh yes I do. Here is the mini pc on the courthouse steps yesterday, in case anyone missed it. I love the first question asked of Ms. Lyon, I think by everyone's fav Kathy Belich - "Is it going to take someone of your stature to save casey?" I loved this question, as the diminuative jose stood by the six foot Lyon! :thumbsup:

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

[ruth66]

And the hell of it is that Casey would go right along with that scenario without a blink.

And who knows that better than CA, so if I was her I would be afraid, very afraid. :wink:

[aproudmom]

I'm wondering if anyone has a link to video or transcript from when Cindy stood up and spoke in a court room, perhaps one of Casey's first court appearances. Thanks!

the bond hearing?? saying they all were broke and could not afford a bond

[*MoonRider*]

I found Richard Grund's twitter page. http://twitter.com/swordsedge

After court yesterday he wrote: "I looked. It looked away. But I saw it anyway. Darkness cannot hide from Light. It will always be overcome by Light!"

The night before court he wrote: "Big day tomorrow. Planning on looking into someones soul. Already know what is there. But it will be a first time exerience for them."

[missinglink]

....and at the very talented hands of this woman, oh yes I do. Here is the mini pc on the courthouse steps yesterday, in case anyone missed it. I love the first question asked of Ms. Lyon, I think by everyone's fav Kathy Belich - "Is it going to take someone of your stature to save casey?" I loved this question, as the diminuative jose stood by the six foot Lyon! :thumbsup:

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

That was great! :thumbsup:

[Imperfect4]

I don't think the death penalty is any more barbaric than wrapping duct tape around my childs head (or face) putting a heart shaped sticker on that tape, killing her, triple bagging her remains and tossing them into a watery marsh to rot. Oh and then spending the next 31 days, chilling with my new boyfriend, watching movies, dancing, getting laid, stealing money from my BFF and tormenting my mother as she frantically tries to track me down and see her grandchild. then when she does find me and LE gets involved I tell them a bunch of lies and take them on a wild goose chase before hiring a lawyer and "invoking my rights". I'd say that's pretty barbaric, lying on a gurney and having a needle put into my vein and going to the great beyond..not so much.

What ^^she^^ said! :thumbup:

[ish]

Just my opinion, but I think that Jose focused on Jesse yesterday to make us think he's going after him, reverse psychology. I think he might try to finger Amy, since she's the one who went to Puerto Rico(was it). And then, he can say Casey took money from her to get even (well, not even, because nothing can compare to Caylee's death), and hoping Casey can get off on the theft charges with Amy and murder. I know that sounds stupid, but you know Baez's thinking.

Nope, I think he's focusing on Amy or Cindy.

and what happened to Terrence Lenamens argument against the death penalty because Caylee's death was the result of an "accidental overdose of drugs" how many theories are they gonna proffer to the court before they start to look ridiculous.

[aproudmom]

....and at the very talented hands of this woman, oh yes I do. Here is the mini pc on the courthouse steps yesterday, in case anyone missed it. I love the first question asked of Ms. Lyon, I think by everyone's fav Kathy Belich - "Is it going to take someone of your stature to save casey?" I loved this question, as the diminuative jose stood by the six foot Lyon! :thumbsup:

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

LOL thanks for the link

[ruth66]

I think she should go down for the lying alone. And her mommy should go right along with her. :sneaky:


Now when this is all over, if only there was a way to get this family to re-pay the taxpayers for all the money they have cost them that truly would be justice served. :thumbsup:

[girlspell]

You've got that exactly right. Disrespectful and untruthful. What a set of swell family values.

Well, they produced Casey and her set of values growing up.

Agreed about the family. I think Cindy is the worst of the bunch. Something very twisty about her. :bored:

[missinglink]

I found Richard Grund's twitter page. http://twitter.com/swordsedge

After court yesterday he wrote: "I looked. It looked away. But I saw it anyway. Darkness cannot hide from Light. It will always be overcome by Light!"

The night before court he wrote: "Big day tomorrow. Planning on looking into someones soul. Already know what is there. But it will be a first time exerience for them."

:scared: OMG! I so love Mr. Grund.

[aproudmom]

and what happened to Terrence Lenamens argument against the death penalty because Caylee's death was the result of an "accidental overdose of drugs" how many theories are they gonna proffer to the court before they start to look ridiculous.

I am wondering the same thing ish

[Dick Tracy]

I could be out in left field, but I took that comment to mean she feels the state re-applied the death penalty in order to force Casey toward a plea deal and/or to put the fear of God in her that they've got the goods on her. Again, I could be way off base.

I don't buy the fact that it was a strategic move, just to get her to plead out. It could look that way, but the only reason the state put the death penalty back on the table is that they must have HARD evidence connecting Casey, The Anthony Home, or the car to that crime scene, i.e., the woods where Caylee was found. Add to that the Cadaver dogs hitting in spots in the backyard a month later, and 31 days of obvious disregard to where Caylee was by the OC. All the lies. The shovel, the cell phone pings. A mountain of circumstantial evidence. They can try to shave that mountain down, but the smell in the abandoned car is one they just can't do anything about it.

Bozo the waterboy believed everything that Casey told him, but like someone else said, now she has a new more improved story, more thought out, more complete. And thats the story that Andrea Lyon is going to hear.

[court~critic1®]

Interesting that this new Lawyer is against the DP, yet she defends and gets off the people that have already given the DP to someone.

What a waste of a human being , imohoo.

[Scampi]

I agree, and as I posted yesterday, I think Lyon has to jack this Baez car up and drive a whole new chassis underneath it.

What will be interesting, though, will be how much sway Lyon ultimately has with the OC. Because Baez is essentially parroting his client. From what we've seen of totmom thus far, she is every inch the defiant adolescent with regard to her defense case as she was prior to her arrest. Will Lyon be able to convince her to go with the new program, whatever that is (and I can't imagine it will be flattering to the OC, once the fingering of others is off the table)? Will she be able to convince the OC it's in her best interests to agree to admit to X, Y or Z in the death of Caylee? I think that could be "key" as Cynthia would say. Even if Lyon manages to push Baez aside, she still has the OC's incredibily short-sighted, not brilliant, defiant attitude to deal with.


You're right IMP, you have summarized Lyon's hurdles in this case. Because of her experience with criminals facing death, she may be able to get thru to the OC, where jose could or would not.

I cannot wait to read her first motion as to why the State is wrong to seek death, it may give us a clue as to her thinking and she promised us that it would be well and clearly written. :smile:

[Imperfect4]

Actually, if they want to make the claim sound plausible CA is the more believable culprit. She has proven herself to have some sort of mental defect, just look at every (and I mean every) interview she has ever done. She may have been the one to call 911, that being the only sane thing she has done so far. They could say see called 911 as a way to pin it on Casey. At this point, could you put anything past CA? She has dug herself quite the hole.

ITA. If Team Casey is going to pin Caylee's death on someone else, Cindy is by far the most logical frontrunner, imo. And she's really laying the groundwork for them herself, to your point, by being the World's Most Obnoxious and Not Grieving Grandmother. She has single handedly generated so much public outrage against that family they will never recover, even after Casey goes away for good. It just wouldn't be much of a leap, imo, to convince a jury that Cindy was responsible in some way, shape or form.

[doradoll]

I found Richard Grund's twitter page. http://twitter.com/swordsedge

After court yesterday he wrote: "I looked. It looked away. But I saw it anyway. Darkness cannot hide from Light. It will always be overcome by Light!"

The night before court he wrote: "Big day tomorrow. Planning on looking into someones soul. Already know what is there. But it will be a first time exerience for them."


I wonder what she thought when she saw him.

[Dick Tracy]

Baez: Fight To Seal Jail Video Far From Over

http://www.wftv.com/news/19600242/detail.html

imo

did you notice in that blurb from Channel 9 that they don't mention the fact that he was on the prestigous Today Show - it's just a morning news show:

Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, told a morning news program that his fight to stop the release of a jailhouse video is far from over.

[missinglink]

I thought I had hit upon something big the other day while searching court records for Cynthia Anthony.

Right there in Orange County, there was a Cynthia Anthony, a Cynthia Maria Anthony also, that had arrest records for:

Prostitution, Child Abuse, and possession of Meth.

But, alas, it wasn't Casey's mom, Cindy.

Must be awful to have that name now, for Cindy. NOT!

[Imperfect4]

he's fighting harder to seal the video than he has for anything else in this case.

Sheesh, ain't that the truth? Talk about "straining at gnats and swallowing elephants" as my mother used to say. Jose! FGS focus on something important in this case! In case you hadn't noticed, your client is facing the death penalty. You might want to sit the freak down and roll up your shirtsleeves, friend. :rolleyes:

[SandyO]

And who knows that better than CA, so if I was her I would be afraid, very afraid. :wink:

Wouldn't getting wind of something like that send Cindy racing right down to take a poly after all?

[missinglink]

ITA. If Team Casey is going to pin Caylee's death on someone else, Cindy is by far the most logical frontrunner, imo. And she's really laying the groundwork for them herself, to your point, by being the World's Most Obnoxious and Not Grieving Grandmother. She has single handedly generated so much public outrage against that family they will never recover, even after Casey goes away for good. It just wouldn't be much of a leap, imo, to convince a jury that Cindy was responsible in some way, shape or form.

That sure would put a big damper on her fraudation.

[Imperfect4]

I see a lot of butt heading in this case they all want to be the boss the last DP lawyer even said him and JB did not agree on the defense they were going with and him and JB had a falling out

mom -- I think you meant "head butting"??? But in light of all the ample fannies on display yesterday, I know how you got your words mixed up! :w00t:

[ish]

ITA. If Team Casey is going to pin Caylee's death on someone else, Cindy is by far the most logical frontrunner, imo. And she's really laying the groundwork for them herself, to your point, by being the World's Most Obnoxious and Not Grieving Grandmother. She has single handedly generated so much public outrage against that family they will never recover, even after Casey goes away for good. It just wouldn't be much of a leap, imo, to convince a jury that Cindy was responsible in some way, shape or form.

Are they going to say AMy killed Caylee to get even with Casey for stealing money? well that can't fly, by the time Casey stole amy's money Caylee had already been "with Zanny" for 3 weeks or more
Amy went to PR the week before Casey was arrested, she only returned that same day Cindy tracked her down, July 15.

[Imperfect4]

I found Richard Grund's twitter page. http://twitter.com/swordsedge

After court yesterday he wrote: "I looked. It looked away. But I saw it anyway. Darkness cannot hide from Light. It will always be overcome by Light!"

The night before court he wrote: "Big day tomorrow. Planning on looking into someones soul. Already know what is there. But it will be a first time exerience for them."

Oooh. Casey or Cindy, do you think?

[*MoonRider*]

did you notice in that blurb from Channel 9 that they don't mention the fact that he was on the prestigous Today Show - it's just a morning news show:

Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, told a morning news program that his fight to stop the release of a jailhouse video is far from over.

That reminds me of the Baez babble where he said "If anyone thinks that this is a slam dunk case they are far from mistaken" :lol:

[Imperfect4]

and what happened to Terrence Lenamens argument against the death penalty because Caylee's death was the result of an "accidental overdose of drugs" how many theories are they gonna proffer to the court before they start to look ridiculous.

I hope you waved bye to that ship, as it done sailed. :laugh:

[Imperfect4]

Now when this is all over, if only there was a way to get this family to re-pay the taxpayers for all the money they have cost them that truly would be justice served. :thumbsup:

Oh, that would be divine! Talk about coming full circle!! :thumbsup:

[margaritaville]

... and why would he not simply steal her (Caylee) and disappear with her? Makes no sense. None.

Exactly... Take her and run.....

Now I am sure he wishes he had.. We all know Casey would never call the cops she would just go to Fusion and look for her.
Party on~~

I feel so bad for Jesse.. You could hear it in his voice how much he cared for Caylee (and Casey for that matter).

So sad!! :rose: for the Grunds...
I hope they will be able to recover from this when it is all over.
I am very nervous for Jesse. He is a young adult trying to get his life started and he gets mixed up in this.....I can't imagine what he is going through... I hope he knows that we all stand behind him..............moo

[ruth66]

Wouldn't getting wind of something like that send Cindy racing right down to take a poly after all?

The polygraph machine would short circuit if ever CA was hooked up. Now that would be one for the record books. Can you imagine that needle and paper action? Whoa.......:laugh:

[Imperfect4]

Well, they produced Casey and her set of values growing up.

Agreed about the family. I think Cindy is the worst of the bunch. Something very twisty about her. :bored:

Not speaking for Casey (at all), but I can't imagine growing up as her daughter. Who could you ever trust in your life, after her?

[snowflakes]

I gather CA was none too pleased yesterday.
Do the Ants have any say in who defends the OC?

[cherish]

Don't know if this has been posted before,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBoSNT3GDJ8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBKnxbNVyzo&feature=channel_page

[AMS]

I found Richard Grund's twitter page. http://twitter.com/swordsedge

After court yesterday he wrote: "I looked. It looked away. But I saw it anyway. Darkness cannot hide from Light. It will always be overcome by Light!"

The night before court he wrote: "Big day tomorrow. Planning on looking into someones soul. Already know what is there. But it will be a first time exerience for them."

Maybe another reason Cindy was appearing a bit off balance...

imo

[ruth66]

Oooh. Casey or Cindy, do you think?

I am thinking both, at this point I'll bet Mr. Grund considers them to be one in the same. I hope he goes to every hearing and every day of trial and borrows GA's CAYLEE button to be a permanent accessory to his wardrobe. Who better than Mr. Grund and Jessie to be the spokespersons for CAYLEE.
:thumbsup:

[Mandymax]

I don't think the death penalty is any more barbaric than wrapping duct tape around my childs head (or face) putting a heart shaped sticker on that tape, killing her, triple bagging her remains and tossing them into a watery marsh to rot. Oh and then spending the next 31 days, chilling with my new boyfriend, watching movies, dancing, getting laid, stealing money from my BFF and tormenting my mother as she frantically tries to track me down and see her grandchild. then when she does find me and LE gets involved I tell them a bunch of lies and take them on a wild goose chase before hiring a lawyer and "invoking my rights". I'd say that's pretty barbaric, lying on a gurney and having a needle put into my vein and going to the great beyond..not so much.

I was just sitting here thinking about how unbelievable it is that one little person, all of twenty-two years old, has created such a huge, wide, far-reaching, tangled mess.

[Imperfect4]

I don't buy the fact that it was a strategic move, just to get her to plead out. It could look that way, but the only reason the state put the death penalty back on the table is that they must have HARD evidence connecting Casey, The Anthony Home, or the car to that crime scene, i.e., the woods where Caylee was found. Add to that the Cadaver dogs hitting in spots in the backyard a month later, and 31 days of obvious disregard to where Caylee was by the OC. All the lies. The shovel, the cell phone pings. A mountain of circumstantial evidence. They can try to shave that mountain down, but the smell in the abandoned car is one they just can't do anything about it.

Bozo the waterboy believed everything that Casey told him, but like someone else said, now she has a new more improved story, more thought out, more complete. And thats the story that Andrea Lyon is going to hear.

ITA with you regarding the state's motive in putting the DP back on the table. They've got the OC dead to rights. This isn't "strategy" on their part, much as the defense would like to convince us it is.

With regard to a new and improved story Casey might offer to Lyon, I say good luck with that. There's no story the not brilliant OC can tell that will hold water. Lyon et al will have to come up with one on their own, and their client will either have to roll with it, or say hello to the needle. imo

[Mandysmom]

It bothers me that A Lyon says Casey is innocent but yet says she is not up on the facts of the case yet (paraphrasing) I know Public defenders are assigned to defendants, but in cases such as Casey's, I would think you would want to know the facts and decide for yourself in guilt or innocence and go from there before claiming on the courthouse steps in her innocence. IMO, Just bothers me. :smile:

Hi Jakee, it bothers me too. While I think a lot of what Ms. Lyon does is very noble and needed, I was disgusted to read the part of her getting the guy she described as a "hillbilly" off on a technicality.

He had raped his daughter, she knew it because he admitted it. He thought that she was his property and old enough.

That made me just nauseous and I lost any respect I might have had for her then and there.

Yes, she has a job to do, but that is just wrong. :mad:

imo anyway

[*MoonRider*]

Oooh. Casey or Cindy, do you think?

I think he's talking about the entire hand family because he says them. imo

[crimeq]

I have been reading up on Ms. Lyon and by all accounts she is a very passionate opponent of the death penalty. She has been known to cry in closing arguments. Some criticize her for those dramatics, but I disagree with that because in my limited experience, many of the most successful attorneys have been dramatic.

Racehorse Haynes, Johnny Cocharan, Bruce Cutler, all dramatic in different ways. I think drama in an attorney fighting for your life is a good thing.

I don't think she cares one whit about her win/loss record, I think she wants to save this babykiller's life.

Hi Scamp :seeya: Yes, Andrea is passionate and she doesn't seem to care about the fame or money ... except ... this is timed very well for the release of her book in the fall, know what I mean?

But she takes her work very seriously, unlike Jose Baez who takes HIMSELF seriously :wink:

[margaritaville]

Hi - I asked this question last week some time. One poster theorized that the defense could say that it was jealousy. If he could not have Caylee...then no one else could have her. They did not believe this to be true but was just throwing out a possible defense strategy.

imo

That makes sense.. i guess...
He did pass a polly... Does he have an aliby for the 16th when Casey claims was the last time she saw her? And what about Zanny?
How is it that Jesse was suppose to get Caylee? Will everything change to Casey dropped Caylee off with Jesse somewhere? Or will it be Jesse beat her down at the park and took her?
And why was she calling him after the fact?

I just can't see the Jesse theory working!!

MOO

[Imperfect4]

did you notice in that blurb from Channel 9 that they don't mention the fact that he was on the prestigous Today Show - it's just a morning news show:

Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, told a morning news program that his fight to stop the release of a jailhouse video is far from over.

Networks seldom mention the competition by name. Can't remember what network WFTV is an affiliate of, but I don't think it's NBC.

[Imperfect4]

Wouldn't getting wind of something like that send Cindy racing right down to take a poly after all?

I would think that's doubtful. No way she'd pass a poly. She's told too many whoppers of her own. :laugh:

[aproudmom]

I found Richard Grund's twitter page. http://twitter.com/swordsedge

After court yesterday he wrote: "I looked. It looked away. But I saw it anyway. Darkness cannot hide from Light. It will always be overcome by Light!"

The night before court he wrote: "Big day tomorrow. Planning on looking into someones soul. Already know what is there. But it will be a first time exerience for them."

WOW..He also has a myspace did he write anything on it? anyone know?

[jammies]

I want to know why Lyon says this is not a DP case and what she is inferring and means by "strategic reasons." Was hoping that atty Scheaffer would make a comment regarding these claims cuz I don't want to have to wait months to find out. :tonguewag:

Missed NG last night so perhaps he said something about it then?


If she doesn't believe in the Death Penalty then in her eyes NO case is a DP case.

[crimeq]

Hey Desti!! Yes, Lyon's may talk the company line of being an "equal" member of the "team" but imo, she is going to run this show. This is one smart and savvy woman, she will not allow jose to jeopardize casey anthony's life with his incompetency.

Yep, just a matter of time. I found a quote by her father that I posted on last night's thread--where her father said Andrea learned that "preparation" was what made the case--not the brilliance of the lawyer, nothing other than "preparation".

I wonder what she thinks of Jose, and will think of him as she studies up on the case and reads his motions :wink:

Andrea was quoted as saying she prepares for 10-20 hours ahead of time, for EACH hour she spends in court.

There is no question but that she is a dedicated and successful attorney.

[Ckrdpast]

WOW..He also has a myspace did he write anything on it? anyone know?

i just checked it--no blog about yesterday

[need2no]

That makes sense.. i guess...
He did pass a polly... Does he have an aliby for the 16th when Casey claims was the last time she saw her? And what about Zanny?
How is it that Jesse was suppose to get Caylee? Will everything change to Casey dropped Caylee off with Jesse somewhere? Or will it be Jesse beat her down at the park and took her?
And why was she calling him after the fact?

I just can't see the Jesse theory working!!

MOO

I would love to know what casey was up to, or planning, when she went to Jesse's apartment to take a shower. I'm convinced she had something up her sleeve, just can't figure out what it was, or how this plays into everything.

[ruth66]

That makes sense.. i guess...
He did pass a polly... Does he have an aliby for the 16th when Casey claims was the last time she saw her? And what about Zanny?
How is it that Jesse was suppose to get Caylee? Will everything change to Casey dropped Caylee off with Jesse somewhere? Or will it be Jesse beat her down at the park and took her?
And why was she calling him after the fact?

I just can't see the Jesse theory working!!

MOO

And...in a jailhouse visit CA asks Casey when the last time Jessie watched CAYLEE was and her response was when CAYLEE was a baby. So, how does that work? And they couldn't really argue that Jessie was upset that Casey didn't want to be with him because he had contact with her regularly and I am pretty sure Jessie could have had a relationship with Casey if he chose to. She didn't seem to care that she had a boyfriend already. One boyfriend, two or three what's the difference in Casey's mind?

[aproudmom]

http://www.myspace.com/rjgrund

[AMS]

I would love to know what casey was up to, or planning, when she went to Jesse's apartment to take a shower. I'm convinced she had something up her sleeve, just can't figure out what it was, or how this plays into everything.

Taking something of Jesse' to hide with the body? Planting something of Caylee's at Jesse's apt? Whatever it was, it was evil.

imo

[Imperfect4]

Are they going to say AMy killed Caylee to get even with Casey for stealing money? well that can't fly, by the time Casey stole amy's money Caylee had already been "with Zanny" for 3 weeks or more
Amy went to PR the week before Casey was arrested, she only returned that same day Cindy tracked her down, July 15.

Amy's the furthest stretch, imo. Cindy's as logical as the SODDI defense could get, also imo. Amy or Jesse on the stand would go a long way toward debunking any finger-pointing in their direction.

Now imagine CinA on the stand. Slightly crazed. Utterly lacking in credibility. Quite hostile.

Even if the threads of the story the defense concocts don't all make sense, from the perspective of personality alone, never mind her relationship with Casey and as it related to Caylee, Cindy wins the SODDI hands down, imo.

[need2no]

Yep, just a matter of time. I found a quote by her father that I posted on last night's thread--where her father said Andrea learned that "preparation" was what made the case--not the brilliance of the lawyer, nothing other than "preparation".

I wonder what she thinks of Jose, and will think of him as she studies up on the case and reads his motions :wink:

Andrea was quoted as saying she prepares for 10-20 hours ahead of time, for EACH hour she spends in court.

There is no question but that she is a dedicated and successful attorney.


Sounds like Lyons might be a good mentor for Baez who currently appears to spend 10-20 minutes preparing for each appearance he makes in court. :laugh:

[need2no]

Taking something of Jesse' to hide with the body? Planting something of Caylee's at Jesse's apt? Whatever it was, it was evil.imo


You betcha it was!

[crimeq]

ITA. The buck stops with her as Lead no matter what she says.

The law states what is needed that is a LEAD ATTORNEY with her qualifications. Not an equal member of a team. :rolleyes:

No equality about it accept to stroke the co-councils egos.

If she is as she states co-council and is tricking the system and just lending her credentials to Jose and co, she needs to be removed HA!

I think Jose recruited carefully. I think he explained to all contenders that they must function as a part of the "team" because he intended to continue being the lead guy. Andrea probably stated that at the PC yesterday to appease Jose, but she will take over deftly, IMO. Jose may not know what hit him.

[Imperfect4]

I say casey JMO

Did you happen to notice if Casey scanned the room either coming or going, or whether she turned around during the proceedings? Just wondering whether she checks out the gallery during her hearings. But I tend to agree it was Casey Mr. Grund was referring to.

[aproudmom]

OK I sure wish Caylee had been JG if so she would have been alive today his family seems to love her more than any of the Anthony's I really think a lot of them and have even seen him hug CA since this and pray with them and they continue to try to throw their son under the bus....Caylee would be here today if that child was JG I have no doubt cause I think they would have got custody of her when KC started being stupid...JMO OF COURSE

FROM JG father on his myspace
If you've found me for the first time it might be because of a precious little girl named Caylee. If that is the case, you are another serendipity of our relationship with a wonderful little girl my family and I will always love and cherish. She's gone Home ahead of us and we know that we will see her again someday!

[crimeq]

There is clearly disapproval in her look. But I think she was including Lyons in that look too (watch the video again). Cindy isn't happy with either of them IMO

Cindy is thinking that neither one is a "10".

[Imperfect4]

Exactly... Take her and run.....

Now I am sure he wishes he had.. We all know Casey would never call the cops she would just go to Fusion and look for her.
Party on~~

I feel so bad for Jesse.. You could hear it in his voice how much he cared for Caylee (and Casey for that matter).

So sad!! :rose: for the Grunds...
I hope they will be able to recover from this when it is all over.
I am very nervous for Jesse. He is a young adult trying to get his life started and he gets mixed up in this.....I can't imagine what he is going through... I hope he knows that we all stand behind him..............moo

No matter the circumstances, no matter the unjustness of it, no matter that he has an attorney and his family standing behind him ... he has the possibility of what might happen hanging over his head. His just-getting-started life will be in limbo for the foreseeable future.

So incredibly unfair to a young man whose "crime" appears to have been he fell in love with the wrong female, and her baby.

I despise Casey Anthony. And her immediate family.

[missinglink]

OK I sure wish Caylee had been JG if so she would have been alive today his family seems to love her more than any of the Anthony's I really think a lot of them and have even seen him hug CA since this and pray with them and they continue to try to throw their son under the bus....Caylee would be here today if that child was JG I have no doubt cause I think they would have got custody of her when KC started being stupid...JMO OF COURSE

FROM JG father on his myspace
If you've found me for the first time it might be because of a precious little girl named Caylee. If that is the case, you are another serendipity of our relationship with a wonderful little girl my family and I will always love and cherish. She's gone Home ahead of us and we know that we will see her again someday!

Okay now, that made me cry.

[Mandysmom]

I hope so very much that you are correct.....she scares me and I don't scare easily....This woman knows just what she is doing...with less than 5 minutes in front of the camera, she sounded more confident in herself than all the rest.....

Baez might not have a say so in taking the back seat for this woman....this case has become too involved with some very high profile experts attached to it...I believe that they are NOT going to let Baez make them look anything other than the best.....

Let's face it Baez is the weakest link in this team.....I can not see him in control any longer......JMO

I think you are right Barbara. Ms. Lyon says she spends 15-20 hours preparing for every hour in court.

She won't be unprepared. She won't be easily defeated. Not at all.

[Kokopelli]

It makes me so angry Casey and her family and now the defense have decided to target this young man. He has been so kind and decent throughout this whole tragedy, and has never said one unkind word about the Anthonys despite the fact that they have accussed him of murdering Caylee.

And the poor kid wears his emotions on his sleeve. Imagine all his tears on the stand when interrogation is heavy on him via Lyons, and then she starts her drama of crying a river and oh my. Think I'll call my broker for 100 shares of Kleenex Company.:crying:

[ruth66]

I would love to know what casey was up to, or planning, when she went to Jesse's apartment to take a shower. I'm convinced she had something up her sleeve, just can't figure out what it was, or how this plays into everything.


I am not sure about that, she seemed to think her "Zanny" story was pretty solid. "Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales" remember....trusty Nanny, rich, dependable. I think she used Jessie for anything he was willing to offer up. And he cared about her and CAYLEE too much to turn her away. Poor Jessie.
The problem with the 'Jessie did it' theory is that Casey was completly invested in the 'Zanny' story for far too long. It was CA who came up with the 'Jessie did it' theory and I believe the prosecution will be able to prove that CA is the one that concocted that story. They have it on video, remember isn't that the one where CA about faints when they tell her that the interview was videotaped?

[crimeq]

It looked to me like she was trying to get a good look at the defense table and was "fhustrated" cause she couldn't see Casey from her seat.
Didn't Natisha Lance offer to change seats so Cindy would be closer to Casey and Cindy refused?

Yes, and I think that's what Cindy was actually shaking her head about--saying "no" to Natisha Lance.

[ish]

I'm curious to see how Casey responds to a legal team that is comprised mostly of women. Not just women, but women who make their way in the world by qualities other than looks, coyness and seduction. If the women on the team are able to push Baez into the background I think we may see a big change in Casey. Maybe she won't be so cocky in the courtroom. And maybe, just maybe, we will begin to see fear in her eyes.

Thanks for listening. My own opinion of course. Be well.

I think it will be interesting to see the jury's reaction to the defense being female based. Not to continue with the bashing of their looks, but neither of these women are "motherly" types , I wonder if a jury will be affected by that. WOuld they be more sympathetic to Casey if her attorneys were less business like and more motherish. I hope I am making my point here.

[Imperfect4]

Maybe another reason Cindy was appearing a bit off balance...

imo

Good thought. How dare the father of an innocent young man show up in court and sit on Caylee's side of the courtroom? :rolleyes:

[ruth66]

Amy's the furthest stretch, imo. Cindy's as logical as the SODDI defense could get, also imo. Amy or Jesse on the stand would go a long way toward debunking any finger-pointing in their direction.

Now imagine CinA on the stand. Slightly crazed. Utterly lacking in credibility. Quite hostile.

Even if the threads of the story the defense concocts don't all make sense, from the perspective of personality alone, never mind her relationship with Casey and as it related to Caylee, Cindy wins the SODDI hands down, imo.

ITA, and I am sure they could come up with a motive that would make anyone think twice. Remember they would be talking about CA, anything is possible.

[Imperfect4]

I think he's talking about the entire hand family because he says them. imo

Ahhh. B.I.N.G.O.

[need2no]

Did you happen to notice if Casey scanned the room either coming or going, or whether she turned around during the proceedings? Just wondering whether she checks out the gallery during her hearings. But I tend to agree it was Casey Mr. Grund was referring to.

There is a pic of casey, I believe at WFTV, with her back to the camera (lovely view, he, he), where she was facing the gallery. I think it would have been hard for her NOT to have noticed Richard Grund sitting there since his dark head and facial hair kind of make him stand out among the other spectators.

As for RG's statement....I think he killed two birds with one stone. :tongue:

[crimeq]

If Baez :drool: is going to try to make Jesse Grund the "real killer" as a defense, I think he will fail as badly as he will with the invisinanny defense. A jury will easily see that Jesse was way too good for the OC and loved Caylee a million times more than any of the Anthony Crime Family ever did. No go, Jose!

As for the removal of the memorial on Suburban Drive I would say it has all the markings of an Anthony production. Past history shows us they don't like anyone actually mourning or even acknowledging Caylee's death, and they immediately removed two previous makeshift memorials, so logic and past behavior point squarely to the infamous ACF and boss Evil Cindy. :scared:

I'm not too concerned about the removal of the memorial at that point, since pictures we saw showed a very wet and bedraggled pile of materials. :sad: I understand it's already being rebuilt, as it were, so that's good. I'd like to just think of this as "maintenance."

It is curious, though, that nobody is taking credit for or admitting to removing the memorial

[Imperfect4]

Yep, just a matter of time. I found a quote by her father that I posted on last night's thread--where her father said Andrea learned that "preparation" was what made the case--not the brilliance of the lawyer, nothing other than "preparation".

I wonder what she thinks of Jose, and will think of him as she studies up on the case and reads his motions :wink:

Andrea was quoted as saying she prepares for 10-20 hours ahead of time, for EACH hour she spends in court.

There is no question but that she is a dedicated and successful attorney.

Wonder how many times she'll ask for info from Jose before she gives up? Baez is definitely the "anti-preparation" attorney.

[Snewpy]

Jose said both correctional officers that he deposed said that what they did to Casey was cruel and unusual :confused: What about what she did to poor Caylee? I can't understand why Jose is making such an ordeal out of that video. It has nothing to do with the case against his client. He has bigger fish to fry imo

I heard that this morning, too, Moon and I couldn't believe it. Do we know for a fact they said that in their depositions? Sorry - but I've been having to follow this in bits and pieces lately so I am not all caught up on docs. Just wondered. To me it sounds like more b as in b s as in s from Mr. Braintrust Baez.

JMO and all that.

[need2no]

I am not sure about that, she seemed to think her "Zanny" story was pretty solid. "Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales" remember....trusty Nanny, rich, dependable. I think she used Jessie for anything he was willing to offer up. And he cared about her and CAYLEE too much to turn her away. Poor Jessie.
The problem with the 'Jessie did it' theory is that Casey was completly invested in the 'Zanny' story for far too long. It was CA who came up with the 'Jessie did it' theory and I believe the prosecution will be able to prove that CA is the one that concocted that story. They have it on video, remember isn't that the one where CA about faints when they tell her that the interview was videotaped?

Yes, but I can't get past casey's comments to Lee and her parents with regard to when they asked her about Jesse. casey saying how he couldn't be trusted and warning her parents to stay away from him. Was casey feeding them, or playing into their suspicions knowing they don't like Jesse?

[camracrazy]

I couldn't make it through the whole video from yesterday. Each time Casey played with her hair, I wanted to smack her hand!! Someone should get her some properly fitted clothes and an iron!She looks like she just came in from one of her all night parties.

As for the memorial, I respect why people want to leave things there, but in reality Caylee is beyond material things. It would be nice for people to make a donation to TES or some other LEGITIMATE missing child foundation instead.

JHMO

[Snewpy]

good Morning,

I have been following this case from day 31, and I do not understand the loyalty that casey seems to have for Jose baez. He is a blustering wind that is looking for his storm page in the history books of crimminal justice. However, he will not earn his storm status, nor will he earn an acquittal or any leniency for his client.



respectfully snipped.. bolding mine

Baez is not a storm, he's a very weak tropical depression.

[Scampi]

Sheesh, ain't that the truth? Talk about "straining at gnats and swallowing elephants" as my mother used to say. Jose! FGS focus on something important in this case! In case you hadn't noticed, your client is facing the death penalty. You might want to sit the freak down and roll up your shirtsleeves, friend. :rolleyes:

LOL, love that gnat/elephant saying. This may be the "busy" work Lyon gave him, to keep him out of her hair as she goes about the hard work of defending this OC.

[lizzard]

Hi Scamp :seeya: Yes, Andrea is passionate and she doesn't seem to care about the fame or money ... except ... this is timed very well for the release of her book in the fall, know what I mean?

But she takes her work very seriously, unlike Jose Baez who takes HIMSELF seriously :wink:
my bold

Well, that makes one.:tonguewag:

[ruth66]

Yes, but I can't get past casey's comments to Lee and her parents with regard to when they asked her about Jesse. casey saying how he couldn't be trusted and warning her parents to stay away from him. Was casey feeding them, or playing into their suspicions knowing they don't like Jesse?

I think her comments about Jessie to her family were because she had been telling them that he was the one calling her all the time (Lee told TL this in the secret tape in the car). Casey didn't want CA, GA or Lee to know that she was reciprocating the communication if not the one initiating it. I think at the point where she tells CA this in the jailhouse visit, she is still in "coverup my lies" mode not "pin the murder" mode. As many have said in the past, Casey only thinks about 5 minutes ahead most of the time. I think Jessie would have been someone that Casey knew could give the police and her family a lot of info. She wasn't worried about TL because he didn't know the family at that time. And if TL is smart he will stay away from that family as I hope all those that thought themselves to be "friends of Casey" should do.

[Imperfect4]

ITA, and I am sure they could come up with a motive that would make anyone think twice. Remember they would be talking about CA, anything is possible.

I actually think it might be too far-fetched to try to pin the murder itself on Cindy. My thought (at the moment) is that Casey's best chance is a story involving the fight w/Cindy on June 15th, followed by the accidental death of Caylee at Casey's hand (yes, involving duct tape and heart sticker, though I haven't noodled through all those details yet), precipitated by a lifetime (Casey's) consumed by the dysfunctional and debilitating relationship with Cindy.

I don't see how the defense can get around Casey being responsible for Caylee's death, unless they're willing to stick with phanny or concoct a new, utterly fantastic tale to tell. And with Lyon onboard, there seems less likelihood of that. So the next best thing, in my mind, is to construct a scenario in which either Casey went temporarily insane, or one in which she was so crippled by her upbringing she did the best she could with what she had.

Just my own musings, and I'm sure they are so full of holes they're leaking all over the place, lol.

[sydney]

sorry if this has been asked already - i've been trying to catch up and it's not working.

what does anyone suppose jesse's motive would have been to murder caylee? i know you don't have to prove motive in a murder case, but come on. what did he stand to gain?

[need2no]

I think her comments about Jessie to her family were because she had been telling them that he was the one calling her all the time (Lee told TL this in the secret tape in the car). Casey didn't want CA, GA or Lee to know that she was reciprocating the communication if not the one initiating it. I think at the point where she tells CA this in the jailhouse visit, she is still in "coverup my lies" mode not "pin the murder" mode. As many have said in the past, Casey only thinks about 5 minutes ahead most of the time. I think Jessie would have been someone that Casey knew could give the police and her family a lot of info. She wasn't worried about TL because he didn't know the family at that time. And if TL is smart he will stay away from that family as I hope all those that thought themselves to be "friends of Casey" should do.


I suppose casey was just giving them something else to focus on and run with thereby avoiding the ACTUAL FACTS, and focusing on the real person who is responsible for Caylee's 'disappearance'.

Cindy played right into casey's hands. Of course casey has had years of learning how to play Cindy, and how her mind ticks.

[msgatorslayer]

sorry if this has been asked already - i've been trying to catch up and it's not working.

what does anyone suppose jesse's motive would have been to murder caylee? i know you don't have to prove motive in a murder case, but come on. what did he stand to gain?

Oh, I'm sure team-Casey will come up with something. Maybe the times Casey came to his house to shower, he tried to get her back. He was jealous that she wouldn't stay with him and was with TonE. :sleep:

The real obstacle will be explaining why Casey said it was ZFG.

[sammy62]

Okay now, that made me cry.

does anyone have jesse or his dad's email? I would love to write him in support

[imc_e]

I think the defense would have a better shot if they go with Cindy Anthony, and not Jesse Grund.

jmo

[lizzard]

Good thought. How dare the father of an innocent young man show up in court and sit on Caylee's side of the courtroom? :rolleyes:

God bless him. What a man. :rose:

[Imperfect4]

Yes, but I can't get past casey's comments to Lee and her parents with regard to when they asked her about Jesse. casey saying how he couldn't be trusted and warning her parents to stay away from him. Was casey feeding them, or playing into their suspicions knowing they don't like Jesse?

Good point. She probably figured he'd be the one her parents would most easily jump on and run with. Cindy definitely didn't like Jesse, and George goes where Cindy leads. Boy, the A's sure did want to make him pay for the crime of loving little Caylee, and standing up for Casey to her parents, eh?

How sick is that, for real?

[Bala]

With Casey needing a DP lawyer what happens if Baez and Andrea clash will Baez have to step down as he's not qualified to try the case. What if Andrea demands to take first chair and do things her way. If no death qualified lawyer will agree with Jose and stay will the judge remove him from the case. Doesn't the Florida bar demand that Andrea as death qualified take first chair.

I want to see what happens with George when he has to sit in the courtroom and look at pictures of Caylee's remains. If he can't even hear the word remains what will looking at them side by side with a picture of Caylee's beaming smile looking back at him do to him. Maybe he'll snap and tell the truth.

[crimeq]

Hiya Imp!! I think by the time this gets to trial, we will see an entirely new type of defense. I do not believe Lyon will point the finger of guilt to Amy, Jesse or Ricardo. I will gladly eat crow, if she does. Gonna be interesting for sure to see what the eventual defense will be.

I agree. I don't think Andrea, with her strong ethics, would point a finger at someone else .... hope I'm right.

[Barbara fl.]

I think you are right Barbara. Ms. Lyon says she spends 15-20 hours preparing for every hour in court.

She won't be unprepared. She won't be easily defeated. Not at all.


And it's been said that she becomes very dramatic....which means she could be quite an actress and be believable.....I didn't worry about any of the others...but this one worries me for some reason....I never seen her in a case, I never even heard of her before yesterday....but there is something about her that worries me.....I hope I'm wrong...


Let's face it, all these hogh profile and experts are in this for the challenge and for the publicity...nothing else...this has become one of the biggest cases in history...and they are all jumping on the bandwagon....Which means they have to prove themselves....I just hope the very worst will be a hung jury...then Casey will be on her own for a retrial with legal aid.....again, I hope I am wrong....

[breezie]

he's fighting harder to seal the video than he has for anything else in this case.

which says to me that the theory of it being damaging to him is more likely. Inappropriate contact. hmmmnnn...

[Barbara fl.]

Oh, I'm sure team-Casey will come up with something. Maybe the times Casey came to his house to shower, he tried to get her back. He was jealous that she wouldn't stay with him and was with TonE. :sleep:

The real obstacle will be explaining why Casey said it was ZFG.




I think you are right...it will be something like that.....

[AMS]

Does anyone have the link to the Caylee MySpace page? Wasn't Michelle Bart going to post her final blog n the page this week before everything shifted over to the Foundation web site? IIRC.

imo

[Imperfect4]

sorry if this has been asked already - i've been trying to catch up and it's not working.

what does anyone suppose jesse's motive would have been to murder caylee? i know you don't have to prove motive in a murder case, but come on. what did he stand to gain?

Exactly! The only thing I can come up with, that the defense might try to run up the flagpole, is that he "got back at" Casey for calling off their engagement by stealing Caylee, and then either his plan went awry, or he took his "getting back at" Casey a step further and murdered her daughter.

Wholly implausible, imo. But what other motive could the defense come up with? Unless there's something in Jesse's background they could build a more believable story on.

[ruth66]

I actually think it might be too far-fetched to try to pin the murder itself on Cindy. My thought (at the moment) is that Casey's best chance is a story involving the fight w/Cindy on June 15th, followed by the accidental death of Caylee at Casey's hand (yes, involving duct tape and heart sticker, though I haven't noodled through all those details yet), precipitated by a lifetime (Casey's) consumed by the dysfunctional and debilitating relationship with Cindy.

I don't see how the defense can get around Casey being responsible for Caylee's death, unless they're willing to stick with phanny or concoct a new, utterly fantastic tale to tell. And with Lyon onboard, there seems less likelihood of that. So the next best thing, in my mind, is to construct a scenario in which either Casey went temporarily insane, or one in which she was so crippled by her upbringing she did the best she could with what she had.

Just my own musings, and I'm sure they are so full of holes they're leaking all over the place, lol.

I just can't see Casey admitting to even an "accident" that led to the death of CAYLEE. For some unknown reason Casey thinks she is going to be acquitted, so why admit to anything? Reasonable doubt is all they need. Just one juror...
Here are my musings:
For a while now I have thought that CA going on national TV acting ridiculous has been all part of a defense strategy. The more ridiculous her actions, the better for the defense. CA strikes me as the type of person who do anything to keep secret the discretions of her family or of her own discretions. Afterall, how many TH's have given CA & GA the excuse of grieving grandparents defending their beloved daughter. She also doesn't want anyone to know about the fight on July 15th, why? CA has made a deal with the defense to get her daughter off and the face we saw yesterday is CA second guessing that deal.

I just don't know with this set of players. All I can say with great certainty is that I am glad that I don't understand them (don't want to be anything like them) and I am glad I have never had the misfortune to meet or get to know them. Being acquainted with them or simply sharing a quick 'hello' seems to be the kiss of death.....

[Cynthia]

The Prosecution never would have put death back on the table if the evidence wasn't there. There has got to be so much more than we know about. I am holding on to that because it makes me sick to even think she will walk.

[norwood]

I actually think it might be too far-fetched to try to pin the murder itself on Cindy. My thought (at the moment) is that Casey's best chance is a story involving the fight w/Cindy on June 15th, followed by the accidental death of Caylee at Casey's hand (yes, involving duct tape and heart sticker, though I haven't noodled through all those details yet), precipitated by a lifetime (Casey's) consumed by the dysfunctional and debilitating relationship with Cindy.

I don't see how the defense can get around Casey being responsible for Caylee's death, unless they're willing to stick with phanny or concoct a new, utterly fantastic tale to tell. And with Lyon onboard, there seems less likelihood of that. So the next best thing, in my mind, is to construct a scenario in which either Casey went temporarily insane, or one in which she was so crippled by her upbringing she did the best she could with what she had.

Just my own musings, and I'm sure they are so full of holes they're leaking all over the place, lol.


I have thought since we found out about that fight with Cindy that somehow Caylee got in the way of those two fighting and something happened to her. It has stayed at the back of my mind.

Sorry, I just don't think Casey is smart enought to even figure out how to dispose of the body with out someone's help. She was never smart enough to do this and not get caught but I don't think she was smart enough to even dispose of that child's body. Just my thoughts.

On an off topic, no court next week, perp took the plea, Yea!

[Barbara fl.]

With Casey needing a DP lawyer what happens if Baez and Andrea clash will Baez have to step down as he's not qualified to try the case. What if Andrea demands to take first chair and do things her way. If no death qualified lawyer will agree with Jose and stay will the judge remove him from the case. Doesn't the Florida bar demand that Andrea as death qualified take first chair.

I want to see what happens with George when he has to sit in the courtroom and look at pictures of Caylee's remains. If he can't even hear the word remains what will looking at them side by side with a picture of Caylee's beaming smile looking back at him do to him. Maybe he'll snap and tell the truth.

The state can not demand anything from them...however, I believe this team will knock Baez out before the trial even begins.....they are not going to let this nitwit ruin their reputation and now that they are on this case they will remain on this case.....JMO

Baez stands about as much a chance in keeping this case as Casey has to walk out of jail a free woman....JMO

[Mandysmom]

And it's been said that she becomes very dramatic....which means she could be quite an actress and be believable.....I didn't worry about any of the others...but this one worries me for some reason....I never seen her in a case, I never even heard of her before yesterday....but there is something about her that worries me.....I hope I'm wrong...


Let's face it, all these hogh profile and experts are in this for the challenge and for the publicity...nothing else...this has become one of the biggest cases in history...and they are all jumping on the bandwagon....Which means they have to prove themselves....I just hope the very worst will be a hung jury...then Casey will be on her own for a retrial with legal aid.....again, I hope I am wrong....
I have the same feelings as you. I've never read anything about Ms. Lyon until this article, so can't really put my finger on why, but she does worry me also.

I do want Casey to receive the best defense she can. I don't want her to get off though because I believe she is guilty.

Regarding the acting, did you read where she gave her closing arguments while handcuffed to the witness chair?

I would say that yes, she is a formidable opponent and the prosecution should be ready for her.

[Imperfect4]

With Casey needing a DP lawyer what happens if Baez and Andrea clash will Baez have to step down as he's not qualified to try the case. What if Andrea demands to take first chair and do things her way. If no death qualified lawyer will agree with Jose and stay will the judge remove him from the case. Doesn't the Florida bar demand that Andrea as death qualified take first chair.

I want to see what happens with George when he has to sit in the courtroom and look at pictures of Caylee's remains. If he can't even hear the word remains what will looking at them side by side with a picture of Caylee's beaming smile looking back at him do to him. Maybe he'll snap and tell the truth.

It'll be all about him. I can hear him now in an interview outside the courtroom, talking about how GEORGE felt when those mean prosecuting attorneys showed GEORGE what was left of his little granddaughter. What I'm sure he will NOT say is anything about how horrible it must've been for Caylee, the VICTIM. Nor will he breathe a word about what sort of person it must've been who did that to his little granddaughter.

[Imperfect4]

I agree. I don't think Andrea, with her strong ethics, would point a finger at someone else .... hope I'm right.

I hope you are, too. If not, it'll be about the worst demostration of hypocrisy we'll likely ever see.

[Barbara fl.]

I have the same feelings as you. I've never read anything about Ms. Lyon until this article, so can't really put my finger on why, but she does worry me also.

I do want Casey to receive the best defense she can. I don't want her to get off though because I believe she is guilty.

Regarding the acting, did you read where she gave her closing arguments while handcuffed to the witness chair?

I would say that yes, she is a formidable opponent and the prosecution should be ready for her.




I think were in for trouble......:ohmy:

But the one good thing is that Casey wont walk out of the court room no matter what......there will be a retrial and let's not forget about the checks....that can get her another 30 years in Florida......(I hope)

[sydney]

Oh, I'm sure team-Casey will come up with something. Maybe the times Casey came to his house to shower, he tried to get her back. He was jealous that she wouldn't stay with him and was with TonE. :sleep:

The real obstacle will be explaining why Casey said it was ZFG.

howdy, m! thanks for responding.

does anyone recall if she told the police about jesse first, or was it always the nanny?

thanks.

[Sandy001]

It bothers me that A Lyon says Casey is innocent but yet says she is not up on the facts of the case yet (paraphrasing) I know Public defenders are assigned to defendants, but in cases such as Casey's, I would think you would want to know the facts and decide for yourself in guilt or innocence and go from there before claiming on the courthouse steps in her innocence. IMO, Just bothers me. :smile:

This bothers me as well. She must be relying on what Baez has told her to come to her conclusions. That makes her a fool imo. It also tells me that she took the case for sheer publicity, not for justice.

[snowflakes]

This bothers me as well. She must be relying on what Baez has told her to come to her conclusions. That makes her a fool imo. It also tells me that she took the case for sheer publicity, not for justice.
I wonder if Senor Baez called her, or if AL got in touch with him.

[ruth66]

I suppose casey was just giving them something else to focus on and run with thereby avoiding the ACTUAL FACTS, and focusing on the real person who is responsible for Caylee's 'disappearance'.

Cindy played right into casey's hands. Of course casey has had years of learning how to play Cindy, and how her mind ticks.

Bolding mine:
Actually I think the opposite, I think Casey played right into CA hands. Casey was just glad to have someone else making up lies for her.

I have seperated this whole case into two seperate pieces. The before CA coverup began and the after CA coverup. I think Casey had this story concocted that she was going to stick to no matter what (I just can't get over the way she said "Zaneida Fernandez Gonzalez" with such determination). She in her mind had it all figured out. I think when CA got on board, that is when all he** broke loose. CA was too busy trying to throw people under the bus that she lost focus. Now the defense has way too many blows to deflect. All created by CA. If Casey could have had just one story, she could continue to say 'I have no idea where Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez went. No one can find her to question her. She dissappeared with my daughter, she is so good at dissappearing there is not trace of her. Maybe she could of even said Zaneida gave her a false name. And then came the discovery of the remains....again CA messes it up by admitting that a 'Pooh blanket' was missing from the home.....Cindy, Cindy, Cindy...to smart for her own good.

I know, lots of holes, just trying to put some kind of understanding into this tragedy.

[Sandy001]

It'll be all about him. I can hear him now in an interview outside the courtroom, talking about how GEORGE felt when those mean prosecuting attorneys showed GEORGE what was left of his little granddaughter. What I'm sure he will NOT say is anything about how horrible it must've been for Caylee, the VICTIM. Nor will he breathe a word about what sort of person it must've been who did that to his little granddaughter. To be really effective, the prosecution should post the pictures of a dead Caylee next to the ones of Casey pole dancing. THAT would be really effective.


I think Baez will have a hard time proving "ugly coping," considering sthe fact I think he invented it. I have seen it occur, but NEVER in a chidl murder. That behavior iss more common in the death of a spouse than the death of a child. jmo

[Imperfect4]

I just can't see Casey admitting to even an "accident" that led to the death of CAYLEE. For some unknown reason Casey thinks she is going to be acquitted, so why admit to anything? Reasonable doubt is all they need. Just one juror...
Here are my musings:
For a while now I have thought that CA going on national TV acting ridiculous has been all part of a defense strategy. The more ridiculous her actions, the better for the defense. CA strikes me as the type of person who do anything to keep secret the discretions of her family or of her own discretions. Afterall, how many TH's have given CA & GA the excuse of grieving grandparents defending their beloved daughter. She also doesn't want anyone to know about the fight on July 15th, why? CA has made a deal with the defense to get her daughter off and the face we saw yesterday is CA second guessing that deal.

I just don't know with this set of players. All I can say with great certainty is that I am glad that I don't understand them (don't want to be anything like them) and I am glad I have never had the misfortune to meet or get to know them. Being acquainted with them or simply sharing a quick 'hello' seems to be the kiss of death.....

Well, imo, what Casey has been willing to do and what Casey is about to be told she will do are two very different things. Only time will tell whether Lyon can convince her of the depth of the trouble she's in, and what her minimal options for survival really are. Lyon has to undo all the damage Baez has done by treating Casey as her parents have always treated her, and mounting her "defense case" based on what SHE wants and the stories SHE has concocted. Casey has been running the show up to now. If Lyon is going to save her sorry skin, imo, that has to change. And she's going to HAVE TO admit to something. Just not sure what or how much. I just can't imagine Lyon is about to put her sterling reputation on the line with some ridiculous fabrication about anyone other than Casey being involved in Caylee's death.

As for Cindy and whether this is all an act on her part ... I honestly don't think she's bright or clever enough to pull it off. I think what we're seeing, in all it's jaw dropping glory, is the real Cindy, in crisis.

[Roux]

This bothers me as well. She must be relying on what Baez has told her to come to her conclusions. That makes her a fool imo. It also tells me that she took the case for sheer publicity, not for justice.

ITA, it's not about truth and justice. It's a game to see how they can outwit the prosecution. Sometimes, regardless of what defense attys say, it's not even really about their client but about them.

[need2no]

I actually think it might be too far-fetched to try to pin the murder itself on Cindy. My thought (at the moment) is that Casey's best chance is a story involving the fight w/Cindy on June 15th, followed by the accidental death of Caylee at Casey's hand (yes, involving duct tape and heart sticker, though I haven't noodled through all those details yet), precipitated by a lifetime (Casey's) consumed by the dysfunctional and debilitating relationship with Cindy.

I don't see how the defense can get around Casey being responsible for Caylee's death, unless they're willing to stick with phanny or concoct a new, utterly fantastic tale to tell. And with Lyon onboard, there seems less likelihood of that. So the next best thing, in my mind, is to construct a scenario in which either Casey went temporarily insane, or one in which she was so crippled by her upbringing she did the best she could with what she had.

Just my own musings, and I'm sure they are so full of holes they're leaking all over the place, lol.

I suspect this is exactly the direction the defense will take, and really it's about all they've got. Well...unless (drum roll) the paternity identity is a BOMBSHELL which casey has divulged to Baez and team. Could this be what was wrong with Cindy yesterday. Dark circles under her eyes, clearly upset. I wonder if G & C met with A. Lyons Wed. night. This would also explain casey not being able to look at, or acknowledge their presence yesterday.

Cindy forced casey to have a baby she didn't want to keep in the first place. Cindy took over when it was convenient to do so and as a way to appear to have the perfect little family, but pushed Caylee off on casey whenever it suited her, and used Caylee as a pawn against casey. Cindy constantly attempted to control every aspect of casey's life with money, the car, babysitting services, etc. casey's emotional and intellectual growth was severly stunted by Cindy, and the martial discord in the home. Cindy was jealous of casey's youth, looks, and disgruntled being married to wimpy George who couldn't keep a job and support the family. casey flipped after the physical fight with Cindy and 'somehow' accidently killed Caylee. She wanted to come clean but feared telling Cindy so she avoided her as long as possible, then lied only because of her fear of retaliation from her mom. Bottom line Cindy screwed casey up mentally... thus the duct tape, heart sticker, leaving her body so close to home.

This is going to be something else to watch as it plays out. All of Cindy's foolish stunts in public will support this theory. Of course this won't get casey out of jail, but will likely save her life.

Ah sweet justice........

[msgatorslayer]

howdy, m! thanks for responding.

does anyone recall if she told the police about jesse first, or was it always the nanny?

thanks.

YW!

Casey always said it was the Zanny. She told her Brother, and then her Mother. Cindy is on the 911 call saying the nanny took her Grand Daughter and she needs to find her. Never a mention of a friend, an ex-boyfriend, nobody, just the Zanny.

She then took LE to apartment where she said she had dropped Caylee off with the Zanny. It was empty and vacant. Nobody had lived there for months. She then changed her story to, drum roll... it was stair case BY the apartment where she last saw her Daughter.:rolleyes:

The defense is going to have a hard time trying to reasonably explain EVERYTHING that Casey told to LE, and spin it ALL in, with 'someone else did it'. IMO

[Sandy001]

I think were in for trouble......:ohmy:

But the one good thing is that Casey wont walk out of the court room no matter what......there will be a retrial and let's not forget about the checks....that can get her another 30 years in Florida......(I hope) I totally agree. And another important fact is that the original attornies (who get the hung jury) dont' stick around for the second trial. Look at the high-profile cases that have resultedi n a conviction the second time around - The Menendez Brothers, Phil Spectre and Betty Broderick. High profile cases don't do well the second time around. And those "great" attornies on hand for the first trial are nowhere to be seen in the second (except for Broderick). LKB couldn't get away from Spectre fast enough imo. If there is a hung jury here, she'll disappear from the scene again.

[Scampi]

I agree. I don't think Andrea, with her strong ethics, would point a finger at someone else .... hope I'm right.

Hey, about time you rolled in on this. I am so glad you share my opinion of Andrea Lyon. I really admire her, but hate to see casey anthony benefitting from her talents.

Her presence is going to make this trial much more interesting for me.

I do have a concern tho, that with the trial over a year away, many things can happen.....

[Bala]

The state can not demand anything from them...however, I believe this team will knock Baez out before the trial even begins.....they are not going to let this nitwit ruin their reputation and now that they are on this case they will remain on this case.....JMO

Baez stands about as much a chance in keeping this case as Casey has to walk out of jail a free woman....JMO

I realize the state can't demand it but if Andrea tries to leave the case like Terrence did then what? They need the DP qualified attorney they don't need Baez.

[Leo's Mom]

Why do you suppose LKB made that remark about how Casey is no Ted Bundy (paraphrasing)?

It's almost like she's saying, she's guilty, but not that guilty. Or, she's evil and demented, but not that evil and demented.

Maybe she saw the side by side images of Casey and Ted on the internet.

This case gives me nightmares. I truly hope all the spinning and new defense tactics do not impede justice for Caylee.

[bonniez45]

The new DP att says shel'll be filing motions to have the death penalty taken off the table does this mean if she succeeds will she no longer be required and it's just back to Baez? Thanks all,

[ruth66]

I think were in for trouble......:ohmy:

But the one good thing is that Casey wont walk out of the court room no matter what......there will be a retrial and let's not forget about the checks....that can get her another 30 years in Florida......(I hope)

Speaking of checks, will that be brought into the murder trial. Afterall, that is how she was able to stay away from home for 31 days. Can they even bring it up since she has not been convicted? Anyone?

:confused:

[missinglink]

Does anyone have the link to the Caylee MySpace page? Wasn't Michelle Bart going to post her final blog n the page this week before everything shifted over to the Foundation web site? IIRC.

imo

Here you go.

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing

[Imperfect4]

I have thought since we found out about that fight with Cindy that somehow Caylee got in the way of those two fighting and something happened to her. It has stayed at the back of my mind.

Sorry, I just don't think Casey is smart enought to even figure out how to dispose of the body with out someone's help. She was never smart enough to do this and not get caught but I don't think she was smart enough to even dispose of that child's body. Just my thoughts.

On an off topic, no court next week, perp took the plea, Yea!

My bolding. But look how and where she did it. The child was found 15 houses from the Anthonys', triple bagged with materials similar to those found in the home, and dumped with items also traced back to the home. Her skull was recovered, IIRC, less than 20 feet from Suburban Drive, which means Casey had to walk a matter of a few feet to unload her parcel from her trunk to the dump site.

How much smarts would that really take?

[Cynthia]

Ms. Lyon, I want to officially welcome you to your first LOSS on a death penalty case.

[klock777]

Maybe another reason Cindy was appearing a bit off balance...

imo


It looked to me as if Cindy had either been crying before she came in the court room or she was sick with a cold or something.

[Bala]

My hope is George seeing pictures of Caylee's remains and this pushes him over the edge and he'll finally start telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I wish the state could force them all to take sodium pentathlon especial Casey.

[Imperfect4]

The new DP att says shel'll be filing motions to have the death penalty taken off the table does this mean if she succeeds will she no longer be required and it's just back to Baez? Thanks all,

I believe that's how it would work. Of course, if Baez is sent on his way after the Florida Bar rules on the filings against him, someone else will have to take over her case.

[AMS]

I suspect this is exactly the direction the defense will take, and really it's about all they've got. Well...unless (drum roll) the paternity identity is a BOMBSHELL which casey has divulged to Baez and team. Could this be what was wrong with Cindy yesterday. Dark circles under her eyes, clearly upset. I wonder if G & C met with A. Lyons Wed. night. This would also explain casey not being able to look at, or acknowledge their presence yesterday.

Cindy forced casey to have a baby she didn't want to keep in the first place. Cindy took over when it was convenient to do so and as a way to appear to have the perfect little family, but pushed Caylee off on casey whenever it suited her, and used Caylee as a pawn against casey. Cindy constantly attempted to control every aspect of casey's life with money, the car, babysitting services, etc. casey's emotional and intellectual growth was severly stunted by Cindy, and the martial discord in the home. Cindy was jealous of casey's youth, looks, and disgruntled being married to wimpy George who couldn't keep a job and support the family. casey flipped after the physical fight with Cindy and 'somehow' accidently killed Caylee. She wanted to come clean but feared telling Cindy so she avoided her as long as possible, then lied only because of her fear of retaliation from her mom. Bottom line Cindy screwed casey up mentally... thus the duct tape, heart sticker, leaving her body so close to home.

This is going to be something else to watch as it plays out. All of Cindy's foolish stunts in public will support this theory. Of course this won't get casey out of jail, but will likely save her life.

Ah sweet justice........

I agree with you n2n. I think Cindy's behavior supports a strategy like this. Can you see the defense putting one of the Cindy photos on the big screeen where she was snarling and pointing at the depos and looked like the grinch? I could see a juror feeling bad for Casey after a double-dose of Cindy.

imo

[ruth66]

Well, imo, what Casey has been willing to do and what Casey is about to be told she will do are two very different things. Only time will tell whether Lyon can convince her of the depth of the trouble she's in, and what her minimal options for survival really are. Lyon has to undo all the damage Baez has done by treating Casey as her parents have always treated her, and mounting her "defense case" based on what SHE wants and the stories SHE has concocted. Casey has been running the show up to now. If Lyon is going to save her sorry skin, imo, that has to change. And she's going to HAVE TO admit to something. Just not sure what or how much. I just can't imagine Lyon is about to put her sterling reputation on the line with some ridiculous fabrication about anyone other than Casey being involved in Caylee's death.

As for Cindy and whether this is all an act on her part ... I honestly don't think she's bright or clever enough to pull it off. I think what we're seeing, in all it's jaw dropping glory, is the real Cindy, in crisis.

Bolding mine:
I hope you are right, someone needs to lead that girl to the light.

[Dells]

Good Morning Everyone,

A question about the defense approach at trial...................

So Casey throws out the "Zanny" did it thing to LE backed up with her odd story of leaving her child at Sawgrass on the day in question. She later speaks of the park abduction alternative but not to LE, only to her family members. So, the only certified statements made by Casey to LE link back to the original Sawgrass story. Right?

Fast forward to trial...............(I figure I will be 55 or so by the time the dang thing moves to trial............I'm 50 now)

All the TH keep yapping about how the defense need to abandon the "Zanny the Nanny" story. It also seems as if the defense is starting to lay the groundwork to pin reasonable doubt onto the possibility that Jessie Grund did this horrible thing (I'm sorry, but there is a special place in hell for people who try to pin this murder on an innocent man)..

But, how do they actually move from one theory to another in the courtroom?????

Casey will never testify. LE will show original statements which have nothing to do with Jessie and everything to do with the Nanny who is clearly described as a woman......

Who exactly do they put on the stand to back up the new theory? What evidence do the actually use????? Does the defense just stand up and lie during opening and closing statements and hope a juror is so blind that they dismiss everything admitted into evidence??

Thoughts??

Thanks for listening. My own opinion of course. Be well...

Bolding mine....

I so agree w/you! There is absolutely nothing admirable, ethical, or commendable about getting your guilty client off for murdering her own child at the expense of a completely innocent person. Nothing!:thumbdown: We are supposed to think so highly of this new DPQ attorney because she doesn't want any of her clients to receive the DP (for a crime that they have committed), but I guess it is perfectly all right for her to ruin innocent people's lives w/accusations and innuendo. It's deplorable, IMO, truly and absolutely deplorable.

[sydney]

YW!

Casey always said it was the Zanny. She told her Brother, and then her Mother. Cindy is on the 911 call saying the nanny took her Grand Daughter and she needs to find her. Never a mention of a friend, an ex-boyfriend, nobody, just the Zanny.



snipped by me. see, that's the thing. i would think that if she really had thought he had something to do with it, she would say that to the police at one point or another. needless to say she is not as smart as she thinks she is. believing that her made up nanny would suffice to cover her behind for this crime just tells me that her folks bought all her lies in the past, no matter how outrageous they were.

now it's time to try and throw as much stuff as possible out there and see what sticks, i guess. we all know nothing sticks to casey as she is the teflon woman.

how sad that so many innocents will be dragged into the muck just to try to get casey off.

[lizzard]

Taking something of Jesse' to hide with the body? Planting something of Caylee's at Jesse's apt? Whatever it was, it was evil.

imo

That would explain the need to shower at Jesse's place. She could have tried to place/take anything.


IMO

[court~critic1®]

I agree. I don't think Andrea, with her strong ethics, would point a finger at someone else .... hope I'm right.


Andrea has ethics> roflmao


if she thought it would get Casey off she would say Caylee killed herself.


that is JW favorite.

[msgatorslayer]

The new DP att says shel'll be filing motions to have the death penalty taken off the table does this mean if she succeeds will she no longer be required and it's just back to Baez? Thanks all,

I don't know if what team-Casey says has any truth to it. Legally speaking. They claim they want the State to give them reasons for seeking the DP. I don't know how factual that is. I don't know if the State owes them reasons.

I've always been under the impression that the State can seek the DP as long as there ARE aggravating factors. I'm not sure that there is a legal AMOUNT of factors that are needed to ask for the DP.

It is then up to the jury to agree with all the agg. factors the state presents, or disagree.

But I'm sure one of our legal eagles will know and chime in.:smile:

[Dells]

I don't...the car with evidence of decomp in it will seal the deal.

I agree. Even if the air samples showing human decomposition are thrown out at trial, there is still the hair w/the death band on it that shows that a dead Caylee was in the trunk of that car. There could also be other evidence showing that a dead Caylee was in the trunk of that car as well, such as the maggot evidence. Let's hope so.

[Imperfect4]

I suspect this is exactly the direction the defense will take, and really it's about all they've got. Well...unless (drum roll) the paternity identity is a BOMBSHELL which casey has divulged to Baez and team. Could this be what was wrong with Cindy yesterday. Dark circles under her eyes, clearly upset. I wonder if G & C met with A. Lyons Wed. night. This would also explain casey not being able to look at, or acknowledge their presence yesterday.

Cindy forced casey to have a baby she didn't want to keep in the first place. Cindy took over when it was convenient to do so and as a way to appear to have the perfect little family, but pushed Caylee off on casey whenever it suited her, and used Caylee as a pawn against casey. Cindy constantly attempted to control every aspect of casey's life with money, the car, babysitting services, etc. casey's emotional and intellectual growth was severly stunted by Cindy, and the martial discord in the home. Cindy was jealous of casey's youth, looks, and disgruntled being married to wimpy George who couldn't keep a job and support the family. casey flipped after the physical fight with Cindy and 'somehow' accidently killed Caylee. She wanted to come clean but feared telling Cindy so she avoided her as long as possible, then lied only because of her fear of retaliation from her mom. Bottom line Cindy screwed casey up mentally... thus the duct tape, heart sticker, leaving her body so close to home.

This is going to be something else to watch as it plays out. All of Cindy's foolish stunts in public will support this theory. Of course this won't get casey out of jail, but will likely save her life.

Ah sweet justice........

You and I are on the same page in the same book, n2n. I'd temporarily forgotten the paternity wild card, so who knows where that could lead. As for the rest of your scenario, I'm right there with ya. I have given all this ENTIRELY too much thought for WAY too long, and this is the only story I can come up with that might cause a jury to spare the OC's life and give her LWOP. Imo, that's the absolute best she'll ever do on this -- LWOP.

[Pretty Leaf]

Cindy looked like she had clearly been crying for a while yesterday, puffy eyes and all that. I think Lyons has brought the hammer down on the family and told them to sit put and shut up.

Secondly, if I was the convict and my parents were in the room I would jump on the chance to look at them. That's the difference between most people and OC.

Also Baez said this morning that the family communicates by letters. These letters IMO cannot be run back and forth by Baez and be considered work priviledge. CA and Georgie porgie are not on the legal team so why can there letters be slipped in while the real route would be throught the jail where they are opened and read by jail officers.

[Imperfect4]

I agree. Even if the air samples showing human decomposition are thrown out at trial, there is still the hair w/the death band on it that shows that a dead Caylee was in the trunk of that car. There could also be other evidence showing that a dead Caylee was in the trunk of that car as well, such as the maggot evidence. Let's hope so.

And even if the air samples are thrown out, I believe the jury can be taken to the car itself, to smell it for themselves. I actually think that would be much more powerful than the "iffy" and confusing air sample results.

[msgatorslayer]

snipped by me. see, that's the thing. i would think that if she really had thought he had something to do with it, she would say that to the police at one point or another. needless to say she is not as smart as she thinks she is. believing that her made up nanny would suffice to cover her behind for this crime just tells me that her folks bought all her lies in the past, no matter how outrageous they were.

now it's time to try and throw as much stuff as possible out there and see what sticks, i guess. we all know nothing sticks to casey as she is the teflon woman.

how sad that so many innocents will be dragged into the muck just to try to get casey off.

Nothing Casey did was smart. For her to lead LE to a job that she hadn't worked at in years proved that. She couldn't think of anything on her own. Her Mom did it for her. Saying that Casey was dropping clues, that Zanny was REALLY someone else. Maybe Jesse, maybe Amy. Cindy is the one that has came up with everything, IMO. She planted a small seed in Casey's mind and Casey followed through with more BS stories backing up her Mom's point of view on everything.

If you get a chance and have the ears and stomach to listen to Cindy, George, Lee, and Casey's jail house tapes, you should. Cindy is asking LEADING questions of Casey. Casey responds just like her Mom wants her to.

[AMS]

That would explain the need to shower at Jesse's place. She could have tried to place/take anything.


IMO

Maybe it was the extra hairs that Henry "fingernail" Lee supposedly found in the trunk of the car.

imo

[Cynthia]

My hope is George seeing pictures of Caylee's remains and this pushes him over the edge and he'll finally start telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I wish the state could force them all to take sodium pentathlon especial Casey.

You know that could very well happen. They all look as though they are ready to crack and the trial hasn't even begun.

Anyone heard when Cindy's depo is suppose to be rescheduled?

[ttcRider]

Cindy looked like she had clearly been crying for a while yesterday, puffy eyes and all that. I think Lyons has brought the hammer down on the family and told them to sit put and shut up.

Secondly, if I was the convict and my parents were in the room I would jump on the chance to look at them. That's the difference between most people and OC.

Also Baez said this morning that the family communicates by letters. These letters IMO cannot be run back and forth by Baez and be considered work priviledge. CA and Georgie porgie are not on the legal team so why can there letters be slipped in while the real route would be throught the jail where they are opened and read by jail officers.

I agree with your thoughts on the letters going back and forth. IF that was the case then all prisoners would be doing it.

I think one poster put it best yesterday. They were told this is SERIOUS, no more screwing around. (paraphrasing of course)

[need2no]

You and I are on the same page in the same book, n2n. I'd temporarily forgotten the paternity wild card, so who knows where that could lead. As for the rest of your scenario, I'm right there with ya. I have given all this ENTIRELY too much thought for WAY too long, and this is the only story I can come up with that might cause a jury to spare the OC's life and give her LWOP. Imo, that's the absolute best she'll ever do on this -- LWOP.


I agree, and IMO Cindy has more than earned this comeuppance. It's just so sad and shameful that Caylee had to pay the ultimate price for the evil that is in her mom and grandmother.

[AlohaRainbow]

Why do you suppose LKB made that remark about how Casey is no Ted Bundy (paraphrasing)?

It's almost like she's saying, she's guilty, but not that guilty. Or, she's evil and demented, but not that evil and demented.

Maybe she saw the side by side images of Casey and Ted on the internet.

This case gives me nightmares. I truly hope all the spinning and new defense tactics do not impede justice for Caylee.
who knows why LKB said that casey is no ted bundy... as if anyone was accusing casey of being a serial killer!
iirc, LKB is the one who made the comment about a one armed 'nanny'? (paraphrasing, so i hope someone remembers exactly what it was that she said)

weird

[missinglink]

Does anyone remember what the poster was trying to say to us a few months back (she''d say a little bird was telling her things)?

Something about something big eventually going to come out. I can't recall what it was.

I think she was banned after that, so I guess there's nowhere to search for those posts.

Anyone remember this too?

[Dells]

I also noticed that and agree but everyone better have a good lawyer in this case cause they are all the Nanny except KC..Had they already been in the back yard searching when he said that? can not remember if it was before they searched the back yard...

Bolding mine....

So true! Isn't it interesting how according to the defense everyone else is so suspicious and they have them under a huge cloud of suspicion for the murder of Caylee? Some of these people have the slightest of threads to Caylee and had absolutely no access to the items in the Anthony family home that were found w/Caylee's body. Jesse is also a stretch, IMO. Although he was at one time engaged to Casey, that was several years ago. Why would he choose now to do something to Caylee, instead of several years ago when Casey actually ended their relationship? And if he was so upset w/Casey, wouldn't he have just murdered her, and not Caylee? How often did he even see Casey and Caylee at the time that Caylee disappeared? How would he have access to Casey's car and house in order to pull off this crime? They can't say that Casey was afraid of him so that is why she did not tell anybody, because the way she interacted w/him told a completely different story.

Casey is the only one w/means, motive, and opportunity. She didn't report her daughter missing for 31 days and lied to her friends, family, and acquaintances about Caylee's whereabouts. When given the opportunity to talk to LE about where Caylee was, all she did was lie and lead them on wild goose chases. She did not cooperate at all. She wouldn't call 911 when her own daughter was missing, but when the protesters were throwing coins at their garage, she got on the horn to call the authorities so fast her head was spinning. This is the person that the defense team wants us to believe is so innocent of murdering her own daughter?!?! Riiiight!:sneaky:

[Pretty Leaf]

When Lyons said the trial won't be for months and months as she has alot of preperation to do, I wonder how much time she will spend going over what Bozo has said in public that is determental to the defence. The bell has already rung in this case so it will be interesting if she can mesh his blunders to her take on the trial

[msgatorslayer]

About LKB's comment that Casey is no Ted Bundy.

IMO, Ted Bundy puts a face on the DP. He broke into homes [a felony in itself] to rape [another felony] and murder not one, but many women, and even kidnapped {another felony} a young girl before raping and murdering her. He was already wanted in another State for escaping prison, IIRC, from a murder sentence. {pre-existing rap sheet}

The crimes were heinous in nature.

He had so many aggravating factors.

And then, there is Casey.

LKB, IMO, is trying to say that the crime Casey is accused of committing are an average [I hate to say that} murder. That it does not rise to the level of the Ted Bundy's. That there are not as many aggravating factors against her and that the State should not be seeking death for her.

That's my take on it.

[ttcRider]

And even if the air samples are thrown out, I believe the jury can be taken to the car itself, to smell it for themselves. I actually think that would be much more powerful than the "iffy" and confusing air sample results.

I recall one case where they actually brought in the box that the victim was found in and set it up in the court room for the duration of the trial... each day everyone had to sit there and see/smell the box as a grim reminder of what had happened.. Sorry I can't remember who it was anymore.. :sad:

[GumShoeJoe]

Why do you suppose LKB made that remark about how Casey is no Ted Bundy (paraphrasing)?

It's almost like she's saying, she's guilty, but not that guilty. Or, she's evil and demented, but not that evil and demented.

Maybe she saw the side by side images of Casey and Ted on the internet.

This case gives me nightmares. I truly hope all the spinning and new defense tactics do not impede justice for Caylee.

You know, now that you mention it, she did the same thing earlier with something like "she is public enemy number one like Osama Bin Laden". (paraphrase from my memory). I always thought that was so odd.

[desmom]

I think the defense would have a better shot if they go with Cindy Anthony, and not Jesse Grund.

jmo

Playing catch up...

I agree Imc_e!

We have not seen any documents that put Jesse in a negative light...well except for George didn't like him because he didn't shake George's hand the lst time they met and Cindy didn't like him because he sassed Cindy and defended Casey when Cindy would bad mouth her.

Now Cindy on the other hand...We have read numerous statements from Casey's friends about things Casey said about Cindy. We also have Ryan stating Cindy called him and warned him to stay away from Casey because she was a psychopath. Cindy had to clean out her retirement acct to pay off the cc's Casey ran up. There is also the alleged choking incident.

jmo

[missinglink]

I recall one case where they actually brought in the box that the victim was found in and set it up in the court room for the duration of the trial... each day everyone had to sit there and see/smell the box as a grim reminder of what had happened.. Sorry I can't remember who it was anymore.. :sad:

WOW! I never knew of that case.

Who decides if something is too prejudicial for the jury to see, I assume the Judge?

It seems like it differs from Judge to Judge. Personally, I think any and all things that could prove guilt, as long as it's done legally, should be brought before the jury.

[margaritaville]

The Prosecution never would have put death back on the table if the evidence wasn't there. There has got to be so much more than we know about. I am holding on to that because it makes me sick to even think she will walk.


I think there is a ton of stuff we don't know yet...
I haven't heard anything about the maggot eveidence for instance...

And we know there were "shocking" pictures of Casey (which I never want to see) I would like to hear more about. So bad that they made Dad George sick.....

moo

[imc_e]

Playing catch up...

I agree Imc_e!

We have not seen any documents that put Jesse in a negative light...well except for George didn't like him because he didn't shake George's hand the lst time they met and Cindy didn't like him because he sassed Cindy and defended Casey when Cindy would bad mouth her.

Now Cindy on the other hand...We have read numerous statements from Casey's friends about things Casey said about Cindy. We also have Ryan stating Cindy called him and warned him to stay away from Casey because she was a psychopath. Cindy had to clean out her retirement acct to pay off the cc's Casey ran up. There is also the alleged choking incident.

jmo


Hi Desmom

I couldn't believe what I was hearing yesterday at the hearing when Baez stated that Jesse Grund was a suspect and had to take a lie detector test..which is simply not true and what a disgusting thing for him to say.

[aproudmom]

Okay now, that made me cry.

Me to so had to send him a message on his myspace

[margaritaville]

I have thought since we found out about that fight with Cindy that somehow Caylee got in the way of those two fighting and something happened to her. It has stayed at the back of my mind.

Sorry, I just don't think Casey is smart enought to even figure out how to dispose of the body with out someone's help. She was never smart enough to do this and not get caught but I don't think she was smart enough to even dispose of that child's body. Just my thoughts.

On an off topic, no court next week, perp took the plea, Yea!

Bolding mine:

I totally agree... I think that is why she had her in the trunk of her car decomposing..She had no clue what to do... then when GA almost saw her (the day of the gas cans) she freaked and finally went and dumped her in the woods where she use to hang out.. Where she was familiar...

MOO

[*MoonRider*]

Orange County's Emergency Motion for Continuance of Hearing.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19599941/detail.html

[aproudmom]

Yes, but I can't get past casey's comments to Lee and her parents with regard to when they asked her about Jesse. casey saying how he couldn't be trusted and warning her parents to stay away from him. Was casey feeding them, or playing into their suspicions knowing they don't like Jesse?

IMO she was pizzed when CA said him and his family had been to the house and was supporting her and them..she was jealous she was not getting the attention at that time CA was talking all nice about them...then KC threw that in makes ya wonder why

[lizzard]

Does anyone remember what the poster was trying to say to us a few months back (she''d say a little bird was telling her things)?

Something about something big eventually going to come out. I can't recall what it was.

I think she was banned after that, so I guess there's nowhere to search for those posts.

Anyone remember this too?

If it was the artificially sweetened soda pop poster, pay no attention.:sneaky:

[desmom]

I have thought since we found out about that fight with Cindy that somehow Caylee got in the way of those two fighting and something happened to her. It has stayed at the back of my mind.

Sorry, I just don't think Casey is smart enought to even figure out how to dispose of the body with out someone's help. She was never smart enough to do this and not get caught but I don't think she was smart enough to even dispose of that child's body. Just my thoughts.

On an off topic, no court next week, perp took the plea, Yea!

bolding mine. I don't think she is smart enough either and that is why there is a stain in the trunk of her car and the car reeked of decomp.

IIRC, Casey is a fan of CSI type shows. Too bad she did not realize what she saw on those shows is not what happens in real life. When the body started going through the decomp process, Casey had to get rid of it quickly before someone noticed or she was stopped for a traffic violation.

jmo

[*MoonRider*]

O/T Spector sentenced to 19 years to life. :thumbsup:

[aproudmom]

I have thought since we found out about that fight with Cindy that somehow Caylee got in the way of those two fighting and something happened to her. It has stayed at the back of my mind.

Sorry, I just don't think Casey is smart enought to even figure out how to dispose of the body with out someone's help. She was never smart enough to do this and not get caught but I don't think she was smart enough to even dispose of that child's body. Just my thoughts.

On an off topic, no court next week, perp took the plea, Yea!

who took a plea??

[Dells]

Can someone please tell me if I can find part 2 of yesterdays thread? It says it has moved and dumb me doesn't know how to do anything but lurk. TIA:confused:

I think it was merged w/part 1. :seeya:

[101Spots]

Yep, just a matter of time. I found a quote by her father that I posted on last night's thread--where her father said Andrea learned that "preparation" was what made the case--not the brilliance of the lawyer, nothing other than "preparation".

I wonder what she thinks of Jose, and will think of him as she studies up on the case and reads his motions :wink:

Andrea was quoted as saying she prepares for 10-20 hours ahead of time, for EACH hour she spends in court.

There is no question but that she is a dedicated and successful attorney.

After a while, she won't think anything of Jose. He won't even cross her mind.

What I want to know - is she going to resign her professorship to work on this case? Commute to and from Chicago? (And my personal nightmare -) Only be available 2 days a week, so the case drags on for years? Will she do a book tour that takes her away from the case?

C'mon. There's only so many hours in a day. She has to sleep sometime, and we know she eats.

[AMS]

Orange County's Emergency Motion for Continuance of Hearing.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19599941/detail.html

Baez really needs to be removed from this case imo.

[msgatorslayer]

Casey had to get rid of it quickly before someone noticed or she was stopped for a traffic violation.

jmo

SNIPPED

Or before she ran outta gas in the wrong spot, lol.:laugh:

[ish]

Hi Scamp :seeya: Yes, Andrea is passionate and she doesn't seem to care about the fame or money ... except ... this is timed very well for the release of her book in the fall, know what I mean?

But she takes her work very seriously, unlike Jose Baez who takes HIMSELF seriously :wink:

she's so passionate about these poor souls who have dark secrets that drive them to murder, how many of them would she have in her house around her kid. I'll bet not too many of them. The death penalty is for special cases and Casey Anthony is one of them. If she didn't kill her child in a premeditated fashion, if it was truly an accident she should talk. IF not then, sorry, the evidence points to premeditated murder and you can take your chances. I have not one iota of sympathy for her and if she is convicted and executed and it comes out that it was an accident (not likely) the blame can be shared by everyone on the defense team or anyone who knew the circumstances and didn't reveal them. Casey knows what happened to her child , it is Casey who is playing russian roulette with her own life.

[MissouriGMom]

If it was the artificially sweetened soda pop poster, pay no attention.:sneaky:

Didn't she have a few sister pops too?

[Dells]

ITA. And at what cost? If it's the defense team's intent to throw an innocent or two under the bus (Jesse or whoever), how in heaven's name does that jibe with Ms. Lyon's holier-than-thou take on the death penalty and her theories of redemption, I wonder? How can she preach from her life saver pulpit while playing on a team that is purposely throwing innocents to the wolves in an effort to raise reasonable doubt about their client's guilt?

My thoughts exactly, imperfect, only you said it so much better!:thumbup:

[AMS]

After a while, she won't think anything of Jose. He won't even cross her mind.

What I want to know - is she going to resign her professorship to work on this case? Commute to and from Chicago? (And my personal nightmare -) Only be available 2 days a week, so the case drags on for years? Will she do a book tour that takes her away from the case?

C'mon. There's only so many hours in a day. She has to sleep sometime, and we know she eats.

Throw in the fact that she is a single mom with a 9 year old....I don't know how she could spend so much time in Orlando.

imo

[desmom]

My hope is George seeing pictures of Caylee's remains and this pushes him over the edge and he'll finally start telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I wish the state could force them all to take sodium pentathlon especial Casey.

I think if George had not been Baker Acted after his disappearing act, a little push from LE and George would have told everything he knows. jmo

[msgatorslayer]

Throw in the fact that she is a single mom with a 9 year old....I don't know how she could spend so much time in Orlando.

imo

The rest of the team can Skype her everything.:wink:

[*MoonRider*]

Throw in the fact that she is a single mom with a 9 year old....I don't know how she could spend so much time in Orlando.

imo

That article that states she has a 5 year old was written in 1995. That 5 year old is now 19 IMO

[AMS]

That article that states she has a 5 year old was written in 1995. That 5 year old is now 19 IMO

Ah - that makes more sense. I had read somewhere she was "9". Must have been a typo.

Thanks.

[desmom]

Hi Desmom

I couldn't believe what I was hearing yesterday at the hearing when Baez stated that Jesse Grund was a suspect and had to take a lie detector test..which is simply not true and what a disgusting thing for him to say.


:seeya:


JB has said a lot of things that are not true...i.e. Dr. Lee found 17 hairs when he examined the evidence and we all know that is not true.

[*MoonRider*]

Ah - that makes more sense. I had read somewhere she was "9". Must have been a typo.

Thanks.

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/11/behind_the_musi.html

The beginning of the article says 2005 but the Angel part says 1995.

[need2no]

Playing catch up...

I agree Imc_e!

We have not seen any documents that put Jesse in a negative light...well except for George didn't like him because he didn't shake George's hand the lst time they met and Cindy didn't like him because he sassed Cindy and defended Casey when Cindy would bad mouth her.

Now Cindy on the other hand...We have read numerous statements from Casey's friends about things Casey said about Cindy. We also have Ryan stating Cindy called him and warned him to stay away from Casey because she was a psychopath. Cindy had to clean out her retirement acct to pay off the cc's Casey ran up. There is also the alleged choking incident.

jmo


One thing about Jesse I keep wondering about, and that's the reason behind him leaving his job with LE. There have been implications of something questionable behind his departure indicating he didn't simply resign from the job. It would seem that he may have been asked to resign, or was fired. I recall someone saying it was due to some kind of psychological 'issue' he had. Also you could read between the lines in his interview with LE that there was something odd or secretive about his leaving that job and Jesse understandably wanted to keep it confidential, and LE was willing to allow this to remain private. Sad thing is I would imagine there is a good chance this will be brought out in court when Jesse is called as a witness, even though it has no bearing on this case, and will only cause him pain to have this info made public.

Gawd...the despicable evil casey has drug so many and their personal lives through the ugly muck.

[*MoonRider*]

Motion to Amend and Supplement Motion to seal the jail videotape taken in the medical facility on December 11, 2008
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19600177/detail.html

[ish]

After a while, she won't think anything of Jose. He won't even cross her mind.

What I want to know - is she going to resign her professorship to work on this case? Commute to and from Chicago? (And my personal nightmare -) Only be available 2 days a week, so the case drags on for years? Will she do a book tour that takes her away from the case?

C'mon. There's only so many hours in a day. She has to sleep sometime, and we know she eats.

please she prepares 20 hrs for one hour in court? at that rate she won't be ready for Casey's trial til who knows when. She'll stay behind the scenes or put in the minimum required court time to maintain the Dream teams requirement to have a DPQ attorney and once Casey is convicted she'll come in big guns blasting to save her life. That's her whole reason for being on the team.

[Dells]

I don't disagree. What I find highly offensive is the prospect of Lyon taking the moral high road with regard to the death penalty, while using the other side of her mouth to mount a defense of Casey involving the implication of innocents. There's of course no telling where the defense is really heading, but I would laugh in Ms. Lyon's face if I were a juror listening to her spout the immorality of the death penalty on the one hand, while fingering the likes of a Jesse Grund on the other hand.

(And I sure as heck wouldn't buy her stupid book, either. lol)

Bolding mine.....

I so agree! Its hypocrisy at its finest.:rolleyes:

[spiritwolf46]

Me to so had to send him a message on his myspace

Can you point me in the direction of his myspace and how to contct him? I tried once, but failed miserably.

TIA, aproudmom!

:wub:

[Bala]

Hi Desmom

I couldn't believe what I was hearing yesterday at the hearing when Baez stated that Jesse Grund was a suspect and had to take a lie detector test..which is simply not true and what a disgusting thing for him to say.

You notice he failed to mention Jesse passed the lie detector test yet none of the Anthony's would even take one. What does that say about who killed Caylee, Baez.

[margaritaville]

I missed NG's show that night and I can't find it on youtube or anywhere else. Does anyone know how I can watch it now? TIA.

Casey part 4 and 5

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrWVi...e=channel_page

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olwh1...e=channel_page

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TCjV...e=channel_page

part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFhg6...e=channel_page

part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev0Mz...e=channel_page

[101Spots]

Does anyone remember what the poster was trying to say to us a few months back (she''d say a little bird was telling her things)?

Something about something big eventually going to come out. I can't recall what it was.

I think she was banned after that, so I guess there's nowhere to search for those posts.

Anyone remember this too?

Yes, that was Little Bitty, who had a friend of a friend of her second cousin's third brother, etc. who knew something.

[missinglink]

If it was the artificially sweetened soda pop poster, pay no attention.:sneaky:

LOL! No, it was little ?. I was just wondering if what she was trying to tell us then has anything to do with Baez's troubles with the Bar?

I stay away from soda pops! :tonguewag:

[Dells]

Have we gotten ALL of the FBI lab results? Or could we expect more to come?

I still think there is more to come. At the very least we are missing the maggot evidence.

[margaritaville]

You notice he failed to mention Jesse passed the lie detector test yet none of the Anthony's would even take one. What does that say about who killed Caylee Baez.


Something you want to share?

[jakee]

Yes, that was Little Bitty, who had a friend of a friend of her second cousin's third brother, etc. who knew something.

lol But I still wanted to know what the friend of a friend of the second cousin's third brother knew! I am curious that way. :laugh:

[apothecary]

One thing about Jesse I keep wondering about, and that's the reason behind him leaving his job with LE. There have been implications of something questionable behind his departure indicating he didn't simply resign from the job. It would seem that he may have been asked to resign, or was fired. I recall someone saying it was due to some kind of psychological 'issue' he had. Also you could read between the lines in his interview with LE that there was something odd or secretive about his leaving that job and Jesse understandably wanted to keep it confidential, and LE was willing to allow this to remain private. Sad thing is I would imagine there is a good chance this will be brought out in court when Jesse is called as a witness, even though it has no bearing on this case, and will only cause him pain to have this info made public.

Gawd...the despicable evil casey has drug so many and their personal lives through the ugly muck.

Maybe he quit because he knew that Tony R and Casey were having a thing and it may have been akward for him to remain in close contact with this Tony.Tony R had not yet been fired from the force at the time Jesse quit .Also maybe some of the police tactics did not agree with his Christian morality and he left rather than reveal them or put LE in a bad light.

[missinglink]

I think if George had not been Baker Acted after his disappearing act, a little push from LE and George would have told everything he knows. jmo

If I would have taken him out for pizza and beer, I would have gotten him to talk. :sneaky:

[Dells]

I don't think the death penalty is any more barbaric than wrapping duct tape around my childs head (or face) putting a heart shaped sticker on that tape, killing her, triple bagging her remains and tossing them into a watery marsh to rot. Oh and then spending the next 31 days, chilling with my new boyfriend, watching movies, dancing, getting laid, stealing money from my BFF and tormenting my mother as she frantically tries to track me down and see her grandchild. then when she does find me and LE gets involved I tell them a bunch of lies and take them on a wild goose chase before hiring a lawyer and "invoking my rights". I'd say that's pretty barbaric, lying on a gurney and having a needle put into my vein and going to the great beyond..not so much.

I so agree w/you! Listening to Casey's attorneys in court y-day saying how cruel it was to video tape Casey's reaction after the remains of a child had been found right by her parent's home, just infuriated me. No, that is not cruel. What Casey did to Caylee is cruel. I do not feel the least bit sorry for Casey who is in this situation by her own making.

[myownopera]

I think Casey has old JB the death was an accident - he, of course believes and now he is calling in Lyon to just get the death penalty off the case. She kept talking about writing briefs and how clear they would be -- I don' care wheather Casey ge the dealth penalty (alhough I am for the DP), I just hope she never sees the "light of day" EVER again!!!


JMOOC

[Dells]

I'm wondering if anyone has a link to video or transcript from when Cindy stood up and spoke in a court room, perhaps one of Casey's first court appearances. Thanks!

I'd love to see that tape as well. I've heard everyone talk about it, but I have yet to see if for myself.

[KP1935]

Yes, that was Little Bitty, who had a friend of a friend of her second cousin's third brother, etc. who knew something.

He saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night? :laugh:

[ish]

And it's been said that she becomes very dramatic....which means she could be quite an actress and be believable.....I didn't worry about any of the others...but this one worries me for some reason....I never seen her in a case, I never even heard of her before yesterday....but there is something about her that worries me.....I hope I'm wrong...


Let's face it, all these hogh profile and experts are in this for the challenge and for the publicity...nothing else...this has become one of the biggest cases in history...and they are all jumping on the bandwagon....Which means they have to prove themselves....I just hope the very worst will be a hung jury...then Casey will be on her own for a retrial with legal aid.....again, I hope I am wrong....

I think any dramatics she drums up for poor little Casey will be trumped by a photo of a little skull with duct tape still clinging to the hair and
the hundreds of little bones that are all that remain of Caylee juxtaposed against the last video of her singing "You are my Sunshine"

[*MoonRider*]

Footnote 1 Finally, it should be noted that the defense has been informed that the video of Casey Anthony with her attorney Jose Baez will not be used by the State and therefore, not only should that not be sealed because of this, but based on that representation is not addressed in this supplemental letter brief.

Pg. 4 of 15
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19600177/detail.html

:confused:

[ish]

He saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night? :laugh:

you are good:laugh:

[Dells]

....and at the very talented hands of this woman, oh yes I do. Here is the mini pc on the courthouse steps yesterday, in case anyone missed it. I love the first question asked of Ms. Lyon, I think by everyone's fav Kathy Belich - "Is it going to take someone of your stature to save casey?" I loved this question, as the diminuative jose stood by the six foot Lyon! :thumbsup:

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

Oh, I just love Kathi Belich!:wub: I bet that little line of hers just totally and completely got JB's goat.:biggrin:

[margaritaville]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_columnist_mikethomas/2009/05/was-casey-death-penalty-a-lamar-blunder.html

Found this article interesting...
Especially this comment at the bottom.......Made me very sad!!!


Baez had to get someone who was willing to work for "Free" and would have a "Large" presents in court and it looks like he achieved both....what value do you put on the life of a child..."ProBona"

[lizzard]

Didn't she have a few sister pops too?

check your pm. :thumbup:

[imc_e]

You notice he failed to mention Jesse passed the lie detector test yet none of the Anthony's would even take one. What does that say about who killed Caylee, Baez.

Thats what me and the world were thinking when he said it.

Typically a defense has no morals, in that regard they are very typical.

:smile:

[desmom]

One thing about Jesse I keep wondering about, and that's the reason behind him leaving his job with LE. There have been implications of something questionable behind his departure indicating he didn't simply resign from the job. It would seem that he may have been asked to resign, or was fired. I recall someone saying it was due to some kind of psychological 'issue' he had. Also you could read between the lines in his interview with LE that there was something odd or secretive about his leaving that job and Jesse understandably wanted to keep it confidential, and LE was willing to allow this to remain private. Sad thing is I would imagine there is a good chance this will be brought out in court when Jesse is called as a witness, even though it has no bearing on this case, and will only cause him pain to have this info made public.

Gawd...the despicable evil casey has drug so many and their personal lives through the ugly muck.

I don't know if I can even find the link, so I will wing it from my foggy little brain...

IIRC, the Jesse left because of some psychological issue was brought up on one of the national evening talk shows by one of Casey's attorneys. It wasn't JB...it was the other guy (does that help :lol: )

Jesse is pretty young. There is a lot of ugliness in the world and I bet as a cop, Jesse saw his share. Reverend Grund said something several months ago about Jesse had to make a difficult decision about leaving LE. I think Officer Jesse Grund saw some of the world's ugliness and it ate at him. IMO, that is the "scab" LE didn't want to open.

[aproudmom]

Of course. That's their job. I don't know how they live with themselves, but that's their job.

That is the reason my BIL only practiced as a lawyer for 4yrs he had morals I guess..went to the other side as a Pros, and now a Judge
Sorry to all you lawyers if any on here right now just know I could never defend killers, child molesters and so on..jmo

[ish]

You notice he failed to mention Jesse passed the lie detector test yet none of the Anthony's would even take one. What does that say about who killed Caylee, Baez.

I got the impression that Jesse Grund was a WITNESS, that LE asked to take a Lie Detector test in order to verify his statements. A test that I understand he took and passed, as opposed to a certain group of 3 family members, witnesses also, who were too "distraught" to undergo such a test.

[101Spots]

lol But I still wanted to know what the friend of a friend of the second cousin's third brother knew! I am curious that way. :laugh:

Alas....... You'll have to search all of Texas to find her. Or maybe just the Corpus Christi area. :wink:

[imc_e]

If I would have taken him out for pizza and beer, I would have gotten him to talk. :sneaky:

Imagine what George puts up with, living with Cindy.

Good grief.

Tick tock on that marriage.

jmo

[Scampi]

Oh, I just love Kathi Belich!:wub: I bet that little line of hers just totally and completely got JB's goat.:biggrin:

That pc is rapidly becoming my absolute favorite. Did you catch when baden was whining about casey not being a ted bundy, Kathy mentions "Dr. Kimball" a witty reference to when baden compared anthonys case to that of sam sheppard.

Oh, and I bet that's the last time ole todd malacuso tangles with Kathy....lol....he ran away like a little girl, with Kath hot on his tail. I loved it.

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

[Dells]

Hi Jakee, it bothers me too. While I think a lot of what Ms. Lyon does is very noble and needed, I was disgusted to read the part of her getting the guy she described as a "hillbilly" off on a technicality.

He had raped his daughter, she knew it because he admitted it. He thought that she was his property and old enough.

That made me just nauseous and I lost any respect I might have had for her then and there.

Yes, she has a job to do, but that is just wrong. :mad:

imo anyway

That is just deplorable, IMO.:thumbdown:

[101Spots]

He saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night? :laugh:

We'll never know. Dagnabit.

Or maybe we do by now. :shrug:

[imc_e]

I still wonder if there was a life insurance policy on Caylee.

[ish]

I don't know if I can even find the link, so I will wing it from my foggy little brain...

IIRC, the Jesse left because of some psychological issue was brought up on one of the national evening talk shows by one of Casey's attorneys. It wasn't JB...it was the other guy (does that help :lol: )

Jesse is pretty young. There is a lot of ugliness in the world and I bet as a cop, Jesse saw his share. Reverend Grund said something several months ago about Jesse had to make a difficult decision about leaving LE. I think Officer Jesse Grund saw some of the world's ugliness and it ate at him. IMO, that is the "scab" LE didn't want to open.

If Jesse were foolish enough to confide the reason to Casey, I'm sure she has already told Baez and he is preparing how to best use it to his advantage. If Jesse didn't tell Casey, I'm sure there are plenty of ways Baez can find out. I hope Jesse is as strong as he needs to be cause my thinking is he is in for a rough ride.

[spiritwolf46]

check your pm. :thumbup:

I don't get the soda pop reference. :blushing:

Can ya PM me with it?

[marshmallow]

Yes, but I can't get past casey's comments to Lee and her parents with regard to when they asked her about Jesse. casey saying how he couldn't be trusted and warning her parents to stay away from him. Was casey feeding them, or playing into their suspicions knowing they don't like Jesse?


I think it was important to Casey to keep the people she lied to apaprt so they couldn't compare lies. I think it's that simple, she didn't want them all comparing her stories.

[missinglink]

Yes, that was Little Bitty, who had a friend of a friend of her second cousin's third brother, etc. who knew something.

LOL! Okay, enough said. :laugh:

[Dells]

Sounds like Lyons might be a good mentor for Baez who currently appears to spend 10-20 minutes preparing for each appearance he makes in court. :laugh:

Don't you mean seconds?:tonguewag:

[desmom]

OMH Cindy and a polygraph?! :scared: Watch for a huge part of Orlawndo to be blown to smithereens!!

If Cindy wouldn't wear a mic, threatened to file harassment charges against anyone that touched her to put on a mic and did not know LE was going to make her raise her right hand and swear to her statements, I do not think Cindy would allow being hooked up to a poly and answering questions. Remember she has a hammer

jmo

[Scampi]

Footnote 1 Finally, it should be noted that the defense has been informed that the video of Casey Anthony with her attorney Jose Baez will not be used by the State and therefore, not only should that not be sealed because of this, but based on that representation is not addressed in this supplemental letter brief.

Pg. 4 of 15
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19600177/detail.html

:confused:

OMG, I hope this motion had a baez gibberish to English translator attached to it, cuz this is terribly written, imo.

[need2no]

Maybe he quit because he knew that Tony R and Casey were having a thing and it may have been akward for him to remain in close contact with this Tony.Tony R had not yet been fired from the force at the time Jesse quit .Also maybe some of the police tactics did not agree with his Christian morality and he left rather than reveal them or put LE in a bad light.

Could be anything I suppose, but it does seem he wants to keep it private, and he should be entitled to do so IMO. Of course if it was some kind of psychological 'issue' that forced his resignation or resulted in termination, Baez will use this to his advantage in court when he has Jesse under oath.

IIRC, Richard Grund has implied, (with a bit of encouragement and pushing the words in his mouth by Nancy Grace), that Jesse's Christian morality played a part in him leaving LE. But frankly I don't believe it, since it's not like he didn't have a good idea of what he was walking into when he applied for this type of job. Also you may recall he was bummed out and shared this with casey on his last day with LE. If he had simply resigned for morality reasons I don't think he would have been so upset. I suspect it's some reason Jesse might find embarrassing and hopes to keep it from being made public.

Baez will not gain any respect by forcing Jesse to divulge this personal information in court.

[marshmallow]

Don't you mean seconds?:tonguewag:

nah, minutes. takes minutes to pick that pocket thingie in the right shade of green

[Sandy001]

Ms. Lyon, I want to officially welcome you to your first LOSS on a death penalty case.


Bravo!! Best post of the day!

[Imperfect4]

Throw in the fact that she is a single mom with a 9 year old....I don't know how she could spend so much time in Orlando.

imo

Perhaps she intends to lean on Jose to get her the info she needs to work on the case from her home town?

Good luck with that, Andrea. :laugh: Jose can't even file a motion down the street from his own office with timeliness. He does everything without haste. :biggrin:

[KP1935]

Footnote 1

:confused:

<snipped for space>

Does this mean the state is okay with it being released, because they don't intend to use it at trial?

Is this more an argument of the media (and in turn, us) wanting to see it instead of the SA releasing it? I could care less to see her reaction to them finding the remains (sorry George).

[FallenAngel♥]

Wouldn't getting wind of something like that send Cindy racing right down to take a poly after all?

I still have to wonder why Cindy, George and Lee wouldn't take a lie detectors test even when Caylee's life was on the line.

[need2no]

Don't you mean seconds?:tonguewag:

:thumbsup: true dat!

[Imperfect4]

One thing about Jesse I keep wondering about, and that's the reason behind him leaving his job with LE. There have been implications of something questionable behind his departure indicating he didn't simply resign from the job. It would seem that he may have been asked to resign, or was fired. I recall someone saying it was due to some kind of psychological 'issue' he had. Also you could read between the lines in his interview with LE that there was something odd or secretive about his leaving that job and Jesse understandably wanted to keep it confidential, and LE was willing to allow this to remain private. Sad thing is I would imagine there is a good chance this will be brought out in court when Jesse is called as a witness, even though it has no bearing on this case, and will only cause him pain to have this info made public.

Gawd...the despicable evil casey has drug so many and their personal lives through the ugly muck.

ITA with this as well. Something's hinky with his departure from the LE job. And you're right ... sooner or later, it'll be everyone's business. :mad:

[missinglink]

OMG, I hope this motion had a baez gibberish to English translator attached to it, cuz this is terribly written, imo.

It at least shows that he twisted words, well, actually lied yesterday. Remember he was saying that the transcript would show that Casey sat down instead of collapsing?

Well, in the transcript, it's stated that Casey kind of fell back and slumped down into her chair, although they come back and say, "so she sat down?" and the officer says "well I didn't help her or force her or whatever, so yeah" (not word for word: don't want to read it again.

Baez is such a #$@@#

[cuddlyrunner]

Hi guys
Just got back from a week's holiday in sunny Cornwall. Could some kind person pm me a synopsis of the week and if anything major happened? I will catch up I promise!

[Imperfect4]

I so agree w/you! Listening to Casey's attorneys in court y-day saying how cruel it was to video tape Casey's reaction after the remains of a child had been found right by her parent's home, just infuriated me. No, that is not cruel. What Casey did to Caylee is cruel. I do not feel the least bit sorry for Casey who is in this situation by her own making.

I wonder when the defense DREAM team is going to stop dreaming, get a REALITY check, and understand the general public does NOT want to hear Casey painted as a victim after what happened to her 2 year-old daughter on her watch. When they go in that direction, it has the opposite effect they're shooting for. It inflames the public AGAINST their client ... it does NOT engender sympathy for her. They really need to understand this, WITH haste.

[need2no]

I'd love to see that tape as well. I've heard everyone talk about it, but I have yet to see if for myself.

Sorry, I don't have a link to the video, but here is a pic of Cindy when she abruptly stood up in court that day and got shot down real quick. Check out George's expression........


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/anthony-cindymouthingoffincourt.jpg

[lizzard]

I don't get the soda pop reference. :blushing:

Can ya PM me with it?

I can. Would you like me to? :w00t:

J/K, give me a minute.

[ttcRider]

OMG, I hope this motion had a baez gibberish to English translator attached to it, cuz this is terribly written, imo.

I believe AMS has mastered the Baez gibberish. I am counting on AMS to help us out during the trial. :wub:

[Explorer]

I hope you are, too. If not, it'll be about the worst demostration of hypocrisy we'll likely ever see.

Imperfect you said it when you wrote the post on hipocrisy. You nailed it!!!!

[Sandy001]

OMG, I hope this motion had a baez gibberish to English translator attached to it, cuz this is terribly written, imo. English is obviously NOT his native language. I know Hmong people who can write better than that. All of his quotes by the corrections officers are gotten gby asking leading questions by Baez himself. They do NOT volunteer the information so I aquestion it's legality. He keeps referring to a Captain Warren. Does anyone know who this man is? Baez claims he is with the Sheriff's office, but I don't think a Captain in the Sheriff's Department has the authority to tell officers at the jail what to do.

There's some OTHER reason that he wants that tape sealed and it has NOTHING to do with Casey's behafvior because they already have that in depositions.

Also, remember, Casey Anthony is a manipulator and all of her angst could have been fake to get sympathy from the guards. jmo

[need2no]

Thank you so much! I did search for this, but sometimes I'm a complete dud when it comes to searches.

Do you know if this was a previously recorded interview?

Annie just an FYI...Nancy only spoke of this case briefly near the end of the show, if that's the part you were interested in viewing.

[missinglink]

Sorry, I don't have a link to the video, but here is a pic of Cindy when she abruptly stood up in court that day and got shot down real quick. Check out George's expression........


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/anthony-cindymouthingoffincourt.jpg

Do you have a date when you put that in your bucket? I remember her doing that, but don't recall why she was there.

[ttcRider]

Sorry, I don't have a link to the video, but here is a pic of Cindy when she abruptly stood up in court that day and got shot down real quick. Check out George's expression........


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/anthony-cindymouthingoffincourt.jpg

LOL what a lunatic! :laugh: I can't wait till trial. :drool:

[need2no]

Imperfect you said it when you wrote the post on hipocrisy. You nailed it!!!!

ITA, in a nutshell!

[KP1935]

LOL Look at George's face!!! :w00t:

"Oh God, she's got that look in her eyes - can I sneak out before she starts yelling at ME!?"

[KP1935]

Do you have a date when you put that in your bucket? I remember her doing that, but don't recall why she was there.

For anybody with better knowledge than me (not hard), isn't this from the bond hearing? I'd love to see the video, this is where she raises her hand to speak, right?

[Mandysmom]

Throw in the fact that she is a single mom with a 9 year old....I don't know how she could spend so much time in Orlando.

imoIIRC, her daughter was born in 1985, so she would be about 24 now.

[Scampi]

I still have to wonder why Cindy, George and Lee wouldn't take a lie detectors test even when Caylee's life was on the line.

That is an excellent question, that unfortunately will never see the light of day in a courtroom.

[ttcRider]

Peter - any more 'Freak Out' posts you can share with us?? :wub:
I think we are all done with critiquing yesterdays appearances... :wink:

[norwood]

The new DP att says shel'll be filing motions to have the death penalty taken off the table does this mean if she succeeds will she no longer be required and it's just back to Baez? Thanks all,

If by some miracle she gets the DP off the table again there will be no need for her to remain on the defence team. We will then be back to Jose and Baden. I don't think she can get it off the table the second time personally.

[Scampi]

It at least shows that he twisted words, well, actually lied yesterday. Remember he was saying that the transcript would show that Casey sat down instead of collapsing?

Well, in the transcript, it's stated that Casey kind of fell back and slumped down into her chair, although they come back and say, "so she sat down?" and the officer says "well I didn't help her or force her or whatever, so yeah" (not word for word: don't want to read it again.

Baez is such a #$@@#

You're right. No one should take this motion or its contents as the truth of the matter. I would bet Hub's right arm that the Jail had a medical professional observing every move the OC made in that waiting room.

[need2no]

Do you have a date when you put that in your bucket? I remember her doing that, but don't recall why she was there.

Had to go check, I've got hundreds of pics on this case in PB. Unfortunately I didn't add a date or note reason for hearing. I'm usually bad about forgetting to do that at the beginning when I first start following a case. I do recall this was early on, and casey was not in court that day...I'm thinking this hearing had something to do with reducing bond.