May 27 thru .....

[darcie]

Here is a new article to start the day off.

Hope everyone has a great day.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/CFC29B1B960B209F862575C3000B29DA?OpenDocument

Civil suit draws Joyce Meyer Ministries deeper into Coleman murder case

WATERLOO — The Joyce Meyer Ministries, whose former security chief was charged with murdering his wife and two sons, is being drawn deeper into the case by a wrongful-death suit filed Tuesday.

The worldwide televangelism operation is not named as a defendant, but its records on former employee Christopher Coleman could be subjected to deep examination.

"What did Joyce Meyer Ministry know, and when did they know it?" lawyer Jack Carey asked at a news conference Tuesday after filing a civil suit accusing Coleman of responsibility for the deaths

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more at the link

[CC I See]

From St. Louis Today...
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/CFC29B1B960B209F862575C3000B29DA?OpenDocument

"What did Joyce Meyer Ministry know, and when did they know it?" lawyer Jack Carey asked at a news conference Tuesday after filing a civil suit accusing Coleman of responsibility for the deaths.

My comment: I read through the rest of this news article and must be missing what this is reference to. Is this a hint that she might have been somehow involved in knowing about what happened to the Coleman family? This is just a civil suit not criminal, they don't have to prove like they do in a criminal matter.

[Peaches]

Here is a new article to start the day off.

Hope everyone has a great day.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/CFC29B1B960B209F862575C3000B29DA?OpenDocument

Civil suit draws Joyce Meyer Ministries deeper into Coleman murder case

WATERLOO — The Joyce Meyer Ministries, whose former security chief was charged with murdering his wife and two sons, is being drawn deeper into the case by a wrongful-death suit filed Tuesday.

The worldwide televangelism operation is not named as a defendant, but its records on former employee Christopher Coleman could be subjected to deep examination.

"What did Joyce Meyer Ministry know, and when did they know it?" lawyer Jack Carey asked at a news conference Tuesday after filing a civil suit accusing Coleman of responsibility for the deaths

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more at the link


Thank you for starting our day..............remembering Sheri and her babies. I can not get over the fact that CC did not call Sheri's mother/brother when they were found dead. This is just CRAZY! moo

[Nellie]

Even though Joyce Meyer quickly fired him to try to distance herself from him....wise move on her part.....I don't think she'll be able to avoid being drug into this.

Not sure what they would think she'd know though. I don't think she'd know anything about the murders themselves. There may be some knowledge, though, about the affair or the financial things concerning the house. Or what about the supposed threats? What did she know about them? Anything? I would think if she knew an employee and his family were being threatened because of his employment there that she might be able to shed some light on that. If she knew nothing about those threats....welll.......

[Leanne Weich]

I wonder if the Colemans might have sought some type of marital counselling from someone with the JMM? If so, the DA could ask a judge to order any records to be handed over if they could be relevant to motive. In the Michelle Young case, she'd consulted with a therapist shortly before she was murdered. The DA wanted her records subpoenaed but, because of HIPAA, she refused. The judge then interviewed her in chambers and determined the records were pertinent and ordered that she turn them over to the prosecution. Unfortunately, in that case, 2 1/2 years later, Jason still has not been arrested. I would think a member of the clergy would also not have to automatically hand over any counselling records.

[MiamiNice]

This is a short Nancy Gracce clip about the horrible scrawlings on the Coleman's home walls in case some missed it last night:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/05/26/ng.intv.killer.leaves.notes.cnn

[dgfred]

That 360 degree camera mentioned in the links thread might throw a giant wrench into CC's alibi/workout. Should show his exact movements and any other possible suspects... sure would like to see that footage.

[bkwits]

I wonder if the Colemans might have sought some type of marital counselling from someone with the JMM? If so, the DA could ask a judge to order any records to be handed over if they could be relevant to motive. In the Michelle Young case, she'd consulted with a therapist shortly before she was murdered. The DA wanted her records subpoenaed but, because of HIPAA, she refused. The judge then interviewed her in chambers and determined the records were pertinent and ordered that she turn them over to the prosecution. Unfortunately, in that case, 2 1/2 years later, Jason still has not been arrested. I would think a member of the clergy would also not have to automatically hand over any counselling records.

FWIW, It was mentioned either on Topix or the Post thread that CC had had affairs with staff members at JMM. Now, I don't know if there is truth to that or if it widely known if there was.

IMO

[Snoopy50]

We were visiting St. Louis from the 20th until last night, this story is being covered by every news station there. Very sad story, how do these husbands think they will get away with these crimes and why not just divorce?!!!!

[Musterion]

Even though Joyce Meyer quickly fired him to try to distance herself from him....wise move on her part.....I don't think she'll be able to avoid being drug into this.

Not sure what they would think she'd know though. I don't think she'd know anything about the murders themselves. There may be some knowledge, though, about the affair or the financial things concerning the house. Or what about the supposed threats? What did she know about them? Anything? I would think if she knew an employee and his family were being threatened because of his employment there that she might be able to shed some light on that. If she knew nothing about those threats....welll.......

Good morning, Nellie and everyone,

I have a sense that JMM will be sued.

I believe Chris might have been setting up to sue Joyce Meyer Ministries for the wrongful death of his family. He made a point to say that the threats were because of his work. If he told JMM about these threats and she did not provide CC and his family with added security, he may have been able to find a law that might hold her liable. Even if he did not tell her about the threats there are laws that could hold a business (or a ministry) liable for the death of a family who were being threatened by an employee of yours. I believe he may have thought he could get a settlement, out of court, and start a new life. I don't believe he had any intention of staying on at JMM. That's just my sense and may be totally off base.

If there are work emails, or Chris spent time on the computer at work researching how to do what he has allegedly done, or he made phone calls to his lovers during work time, JMM, also might be able to be sued by Sheri's family. For what JMM knew or should have known.

I believe negligent retention or negligent supervision might be found in this case or, at least, try to be used to sue.

JMO.
M.

Praying for justice for Sheri, Gavin and Garret.

[FrankieBones1]

This is a short Nancy Gracce clip about the horrible scrawlings on the Coleman's home walls in case some missed it last night:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/05/26/ng.intv.killer.leaves.notes.cnn

After Coleman killed his family I imagine he took his time spray painting all those sick words thinking that LE would think someone else did it. What a creep he is. It's too bad that Joyce is being dragged into this. I highly doubt that she knew what Chris was like.
imo

[ruth66]

After Coleman killed his family I imagine he took his time spray painting all those sick words thinking that LE would think someone else did it. What a creep he is. It's too bad that Joyce is being dragged into this. I highly doubt that she knew what Chris was like.
imo

ITA about Joyce being dragged into this Frankie. What a shame. The spray painting seems to be a bit over the top, like he tried just a little too hard with the set up. I am all for Sheri's family keeping Chris from making money off this tragedy but I don't think Joyce Meyer holds fault in his action and should be sued. JMO.

[darcie]

Here's a few answers that we all have been waiting for! Finally!!!

Judge unseals search warrants in Coleman case: Twine found by bridge matched that found at home
http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

Major Case Squad detectives investigating the ligature strangulation of Columbia mother Sheri Coleman and her sons Garett and Gavin found an orange piece of twine with a noose tied near the Jefferson Barracks Bridge that resembled twine used to tie four bales of hay found in the back of the Colemans' home, according to court documents unsealed Wednesday.
For the first time since the investigation began, the contents of a threatening letter sent to the Colemans were revealed. Chris Coleman told police that someone mailed the letter to the family home at 2854 Robert Drive.
According to a report by Columbia Police Sgt. Jason Donjon, the anonymous letter read, "(Expletive)! Deny your God publicly or else! No more opportunities. Time is running out for you and your family."

The letter, dated Jan. 1, referred to someone traveling to Asia, but doesn't refer to anyone by name. Sheri Coleman participated in missionary trips to southeast Asia, including Cambodia.

"Have a good time in India (expletive)!" the letter concluded.

The contents of a second letter to show up at the residence, dated April 27, also are listed in the search warrants records.

That letter stated, "I am giving you the last warning! You have not listened to me and you have not changed your ways. I have warned you to stop traveling and stop carrying on with this fake religious life of stealing people's money."

The letter referred to an unnamed woman.

"You think you are so special to do what you do protecting or think you are protecting her. She is a b*tch and not worth doing it. Stop today or else. I know your schedule. ... This is my last warning. Your worst nightmare is about to happen!"

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My, oh my, oh my......

[darcie]

Geeez you guys. If Chris Coleman did this, he wanted out in a bad bad way. Scarey stuff.

And also this from the link above:

The officer said he tried to determine whether Sheri Coleman was alive, and noticed that rigor mortis had set in, which usually occurs within two to three hours, according to experts.

"I attempted to slightly roll her over in order to see her eyes and check for breathing. I noticed when I lifted her shoulder, her head and neck moved also. It appeared rigor mortis had set in. I noticed the skin of her chest and head appeared purple," Barlow reported.

A moment later, according to Barlow's affidavit, a fellow officer shouted, "There are a total of three victims."

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WOW--you all have to read the link.....

[darcie]

Oh, oh oh....and Chris Coleman had a PO Box........
and *snipped*

A Home Depot receipt dated July 29 for the purchase of spray paint was recovered from a travel bag that contained Chris Coleman's wallet.

Geeez...this man is toast...as he well out to be.

I can't even find words

[darcie]

I'm sitting here with my mouth hanging open, thinking where IS EVERYONE????? lol

:w00t:

[darcie]

Woohooo..someone is out there...lol

I can't beleive all this stuff. This guy must have mushhhhh for brains.

[darcie]

Now I sit here....feeling so sad for Sheri, and Gaven and Garrett. What a horrible way to be taken from this earth.

Prayers for the families involved. This I am sure is what started to lawsuit from Sheri's family. I can't blame them.

They want justice.........

[Ice Cycle]

Woohooo..someone is out there...lol

I can't beleive all this stuff. This guy must have mushhhhh for brains.

Thanks for the info though now I have more questions, the letter is creepy. But I bet his defense is going to be all that stuff was in the house already. The timeline though is another issue, if they can proof she had been dead that long.

[Nellie]

Here's a few answers that we all have been waiting for! Finally!!!

Judge unseals search warrants in Coleman case: Twine found by bridge matched that found at home
http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

Major Case Squad detectives investigating the ligature strangulation of Columbia mother Sheri Coleman and her sons Garett and Gavin found an orange piece of twine with a noose tied near the Jefferson Barracks Bridge that resembled twine used to tie four bales of hay found in the back of the Colemans' home, according to court documents unsealed Wednesday.
For the first time since the investigation began, the contents of a threatening letter sent to the Colemans were revealed. Chris Coleman told police that someone mailed the letter to the family home at 2854 Robert Drive.
According to a report by Columbia Police Sgt. Jason Donjon, the anonymous letter read, "(Expletive)! Deny your God publicly or else! No more opportunities. Time is running out for you and your family."

The letter, dated Jan. 1, referred to someone traveling to Asia, but doesn't refer to anyone by name. Sheri Coleman participated in missionary trips to southeast Asia, including Cambodia.

"Have a good time in India (expletive)!" the letter concluded.

The contents of a second letter to show up at the residence, dated April 27, also are listed in the search warrants records.

That letter stated, "I am giving you the last warning! You have not listened to me and you have not changed your ways. I have warned you to stop traveling and stop carrying on with this fake religious life of stealing people's money."

The letter referred to an unnamed woman.

"You think you are so special to do what you do protecting or think you are protecting her. She is a b*tch and not worth doing it. Stop today or else. I know your schedule. ... This is my last warning. Your worst nightmare is about to happen!"

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My, oh my, oh my......

Omigosh, so the letters threatened him because he was guarding JM?
Give me a break! Why would they go after HIM instead of JM???
Why would they care about the one guarding her if they hate her???
If they think JM is stealing people's money....why not go after her?
These threats are ridiculous! And they kill his family because he wouldn't deny his God? Omigosh, sure sets him up to be a martyr for his faith....doesn't it?

This is so ridiculous.....not even a teensy bit of it is believable!

[Nellie]

He reminds me of Scott P. An appearance of a great marriage - no complaints from his wife - a cunning sociopath.



imo

I don't even think he's cunning! I think he's downright STUPID!

[Scampi]

Oh, oh oh....and Chris Coleman had a PO Box........
and *snipped*

A Home Depot receipt dated July 29 for the purchase of spray paint was recovered from a travel bag that contained Chris Coleman's wallet.

Geeez...this man is toast...as he well out to be.

I can't even find words

Darcie, thank you for this information. I have no doubt that Joyce Meyers will cooperate fully with this investigation.

christopher coleman is a fool, a stupid fool. imo.

[dgfred]

Like a comment on the link posted 'he would have been better off dumping all the evidence in the driveway if he wanted to pretend that some intruder did it' ... that seems about right.

[dgfred]

So would the supposed killer be mad at JM, his wife, or him? He needed to make his threats clearer.
Mad at him for protecting JM?
Mad at his wife for 'pretending'?
Mad at JM for taking peoples money?

Confused dgfred!?!

[Peaches]

After Coleman killed his family I imagine he took his time spray painting all those sick words thinking that LE would think someone else did it. What a creep he is. It's too bad that Joyce is being dragged into this. I highly doubt that she knew what Chris was like.
imo

I thought that I would never dislike any one as much as I do Scott Peterson, but CC made it there. How in this world did he wipe out his entire family? And, they probably saw his ugly/angry face. :cursing:

jmo

[Peaches]

Now I sit here....feeling so sad for Sheri, and Gaven and Garrett. What a horrible way to be taken from this earth.

Prayers for the families involved. This I am sure is what started to lawsuit from Sheri's family. I can't blame them.

They want justice.........


WOW.............you sumed this up so well. I do not blame Sheri's family for not wanting CC to profit from the deaths of his family. I am glad to see that they will make sure he does not.

JMO

[FrankieBones1]

I thought that I would never dislike any one as much as I do Scott Peterson, but CC made it there. How in this world did he wipe out his entire family? And, they probably saw his ugly/angry face. :cursing:

jmo
Sadly, the last thing they ever saw.

[Nellie]

According to that article they found "letters from inmates to JM" in his basement office. How lovely. I bet she never sees half the letters written to her! Other things....airplane tickets for him and JM.....tickets to Disneyland. You know, I have always enjoyed listening to JM even though I don't agree with all of her teachings. But, no matter how she has tried to separate herself from this case.....I think she will find her and her ministry will become a big part of it. What a mess! I think this whole case will open up an investigation of her ministry! They will most definately need to seize any computers to see if there are any searches done on them by CC....or any emails between him and his girlfriend. They'll have to seize other records as well. JM is going to find herself right in the middle of it all!

And I'm still surprised that there has been no public words of condolences from her.....I find that very dissappointing. She can't just pretend it didn't happen.

Those notes seem to be more about JM than CC.
IF CC wrote them, then it shows a lot of hate toward JM.
Was that part of his intentions?.....to bring JM Ministries down?
This is going to get messy.....

And I think the time of death has already sealed his fate!
Did he forget about rigor mortus?

Oh, and how interesting (and not surprising) that he had a postal box.

[FrankieBones1]

According to that article they found "letters from inmates to JM" in his basement office.
((snipped a bit as per CW's request concerning quoting long posts))
I must have missed that post. Can I get a link to the article?

[Nellie]

Sadly, the last thing they ever saw.

You know, this case is bothering me so much that I was thinking about it when I woke up this morning. I laid there in bed thinking about whether a person could wrap something around my neck while I'm asleep and not wake me up. I don't think so. With one side of my neck down on the pillow, I think it would be hard to not wake me up.
So, that being said....while they would have been in a "sleepy....what's happening" state of mind.....they probably realized at some point.

It makes me sick to think about it...it's just so disturbing.

[FrankieBones1]

You know, this case is bothering me so much that I was thinking about it when I woke up this morning. I laid there in bed thinking about whether a person could wrap something around my neck while I'm asleep and not wake me up. I don't think so. With one side of my neck down on the pillow, I think it would be hard to not wake me up.
So, that being said....while they would have been in a "sleepy....what's happening" state of mind.....they probably realized at some point.

It makes me sick to think about it...it's just so disturbing.Don't be surprised when the autopsy results come back indicating drugs in their bodies. Could be he drugged them earlier.

[FrankieBones1]

Unfortunately, it is usually all about another woman, sex, lust or money.:glare:
All of the above?:confused:
JMO

Hi, Dianna! LTNS!.
And yes, all of the above and then some. imo

[Nellie]

I must have missed that post. Can I get a link to the article?

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

Also recovered from the basement office of the home was a sealed envelope containing sales orders for Coleman's company -- Executive Innovations -- as well as letters written by inmates to Joyce Meyer.

[PCP777]

Here's a few answers that we all have been waiting for! Finally!!!

Judge unseals search warrants in Coleman case: Twine found by bridge matched that found at home
http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

Major Case Squad detectives investigating the ligature strangulation of Columbia mother Sheri Coleman and her sons Garett and Gavin found an orange piece of twine with a noose tied near the Jefferson Barracks Bridge that resembled twine used to tie four bales of hay found in the back of the Colemans' home, according to court documents unsealed Wednesday.
For the first time since the investigation began, the contents of a threatening letter sent to the Colemans were revealed. Chris Coleman told police that someone mailed the letter to the family home at 2854 Robert Drive.
According to a report by Columbia Police Sgt. Jason Donjon, the anonymous letter read, "(Expletive)! Deny your God publicly or else! No more opportunities. Time is running out for you and your family."

The letter, dated Jan. 1, referred to someone traveling to Asia, but doesn't refer to anyone by name. Sheri Coleman participated in missionary trips to southeast Asia, including Cambodia.

"Have a good time in India (expletive)!" the letter concluded.

The contents of a second letter to show up at the residence, dated April 27, also are listed in the search warrants records.

That letter stated, "I am giving you the last warning! You have not listened to me and you have not changed your ways. I have warned you to stop traveling and stop carrying on with this fake religious life of stealing people's money."

The letter referred to an unnamed woman.

"You think you are so special to do what you do protecting or think you are protecting her. She is a b*tch and not worth doing it. Stop today or else. I know your schedule. ... This is my last warning. Your worst nightmare is about to happen!"

------

My, oh my, oh my......

Great find, thank you.

[darcie]

According to that article they found "letters from inmates to JM" in his basement office. How lovely. I bet she never sees half the letters written to her! Other things....airplane tickets for him and JM.....tickets to Disneyland. You know, I have always enjoyed listening to JM even though I don't agree with all of her teachings. But, no matter how she has tried to separate herself from this case.....I think she will find her and her ministry will become a big part of it. What a mess! I think this whole case will open up an investigation of her ministry! They will most definately need to seize any computers to see if there are any searches done on them by CC....or any emails between him and his girlfriend. They'll have to seize other records as well. JM is going to find herself right in the middle of it all!

And I'm still surprised that there has been no public words of condolences from her.....I find that very dissappointing. She can't just pretend it didn't happen.

Those notes seem to be more about JM than CC.
IF CC wrote them, then it shows a lot of hate toward JM.
Was that part of his intentions?.....to bring JM Ministries down?
This is going to get messy.....

And I think the time of death has already sealed his fate!
Did he forget about rigor mortus?

Oh, and how interesting (and not surprising) that he had a postal box.


I saw that Nellie about the letters from inmates to JM.....I wonder if he was trying to get a name of a suspect...or a "feel" how an inmate writes....or what else???

[CC I See]

She will probably be speaking at trial unless he pleads out and there isn't one.

[klock777]

Oh, oh oh....and Chris Coleman had a PO Box........
and *snipped*

A Home Depot receipt dated July 29 for the purchase of spray paint was recovered from a travel bag that contained Chris Coleman's wallet.

Geeez...this man is toast...as he well out to be.

I can't even find words

July 29th???????

[Nellie]

Read this pdf.....it's the report from the police and indicates that Christopher called the Police Dept. to check on his family. So, I guess the reports that he called his neighbor were false.

http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2009/05/27/14/ColumbiaSearch.source.prod_affiliate.98.pdf

[CC I See]

Read this pdf.....it's the report from the police and indicates that Christopher called the Police Dept. to check on his family. So, I guess the reports that he called his neighbor were false.

http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2009/05/27/14/ColumbiaSearch.source.prod_affiliate.98.pdf

He might have done both since both stories were stated and then discussed as fact.

[Nellie]

He might have done both since both stories were stated and then discussed as fact.

......maybe

[tia marie]

I have been following this case just by the media reports and not on message boards. I am intriqued by the interior of the home looking like they were getting ready to move. Is that true, were they planning on moving, and if not, why were things packed.

thanks in advance

[Nellie]

This article has the first statement put out by JM after the murders:

http://www.randolphcountyheraldtribune.com/homepage/x362994168

Well her statement was all about her support and prayers for Chris....has she ever made any statement of support an prayers for Sheri's family? I am left to wonder if she has ever reached out to them. And does she still support Chris?

[darcie]

I have been following this case just by the media reports and not on message boards. I am intriqued by the interior of the home looking like they were getting ready to move. Is that true, were they planning on moving, and if not, why were things packed.

thanks in advance


First I heard of that...so I am no help.....:confused:

But I sure as heck wish Sherri and the boys HAD moved out.....what a senseless, senseless crime.


MOO

[darcie]

Well her statement was all about her support and prayers for Chris....has she ever made any statement of support an prayers for Sheri's family? I am left to wonder if she has ever reached out to them. And does she still support Chris?

Seems like no one has.....or it seems that way to me anyway!

MOO

[tia marie]

First I heard of that...so I am no help.....:confused:

But I sure as heck wish Sherri and the boys HAD moved out.....what a senseless, senseless crime.


MOO

Thanks for the reply, I thought I read it on one of the links here. I'll see if I can find it. I've been reading you darcie, you seem to know this case very well. You've helped a lot with your information.

[tia marie]

There were reports that they had put the house up for sale at least once but couldn't sell it.

I'm just as confused as you are about why the house looked as if they were moving. :confused:

I thought I had read that in one of the links. I just quickly perused them again and couldn't find it. Was it recently that the house was on the market?

[darcie]

Here is the link to the update on the St. Louis Post Dispatch.

I read the other one through so fast, so maybe I missed this,or maybe they just have some additional tidbits in this article.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/A07747D8A4B519DF862575C3006FBA0B?OpenDocument

*snipped*

The search warrants also said they seized a box of latex gloves from the home.


and


*snipped*
Also in the vehicle, police found the transaction history for a line of credit to Coleman’s house.

[darcie]

I don't know but apparently Sheri and the boys' stuff were partially packed up in black garbage bags when Sheri's family and attorney went into the home. The attorney said "If you didn't know better you would think that this family was getting ready to move."

http://www.bnd.com/179/story/784014.html

Boy.....tht's just odd. I am getting ready to get off work...and maybe I'll get a chance to read a little more closely when I get home.

I was holding out hope that Chris Coleman wasn't responsible for this horrible deed. I kept thinking maybe it was just a rush to judgement on everyone's part.

i guess I was wrong....again.....(don't tell my hubby though...lol)

[CC I See]

Well her statement was all about her support and prayers for Chris....has she ever made any statement of support an prayers for Sheri's family? I am left to wonder if she has ever reached out to them. And does she still support Chris?

That is a very good question. I have read as much about this case as available but have not seen that she released any public message to Sheri's family. I wonder why?

[tia marie]

I don't know but apparently Sheri and the boys' stuff were partially packed up in black garbage bags when Sheri's family and attorney went into the home. The attorney said "If you didn't know better you would think that this family was getting ready to move."

http://www.bnd.com/179/story/784014.html

Thank you. I was beginning to think I hallucinated. That's where I read it.

[bkwits]

There are so many puzzling questions. Why would Coleman have airline tickets and/or boarding passes for Joyce Meyers and himself? Joyce Meyers has her own private jet, and I doubt just the two of them would be traveling someplace.

Were the clothes and other items packed before or after the murders? Weren't the Colemans reproted to be in the house after the murders? Was Sheri planning on leaving?

Very strange. IMO

[Nellie]

There are so many puzzling questions. Why would Coleman have airline tickets and/or boarding passes for Joyce Meyers and himself? Joyce Meyers has her own private jet, and I doubt just the two of them would be traveling someplace.

Were the clothes and other items packed before or after the murders? Weren't the Colemans reproted to be in the house after the murders? Was Sheri planning on leaving?

Very strange. IMO

Could he have bought airline tickets for him and his girlfriend...and put the girlfriend tickets in Joyce's name?

[tia marie]

Could he have bought airline tickets for him and his girlfriend...and put the girlfriend tickets in Joyce's name?

That's a possibilty.

[kellabeck]

He reminds me of Scott P. An appearance of a great marriage - no complaints from his wife - a cunning sociopath.

A whole secret life. A great deal of premeditation. A big overestimation of his own criminal skills. A huge underestimation of the police.

Lots of similarities.

[darcie]

I don't know but apparently Sheri and the boys' stuff were partially packed up in black garbage bags when Sheri's family and attorney went into the home. The attorney said "If you didn't know better you would think that this family was getting ready to move."

http://www.bnd.com/179/story/784014.html

Thanks for that! That should help Tia Marie, and it definitely helped me.

I read updates at work and try to read them fast...lol...I always miss good stuff.

I wonder what's up with the moving? Or is it WHO? was moving?

What else have I missed???:tongueside:

[darcie]

Could he have bought airline tickets for him and his girlfriend...and put the girlfriend tickets in Joyce's name?

Good thinkin...:ohmy:

[LILMANMAX]

What an idiot monster this guy is. JMO
Plain and simple.

[Musterion]

Here's a few answers that we all have been waiting for! Finally!!!

Judge unseals search warrants in Coleman case: Twine found by bridge matched that found at home
http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/784681.html

Major Case Squad detectives investigating the ligature strangulation of Columbia mother Sheri Coleman and her sons Garett and Gavin found an orange piece of twine with a noose tied near the Jefferson Barracks Bridge that resembled twine used to tie four bales of hay found in the back of the Colemans' home, according to court documents unsealed Wednesday.
For the first time since the investigation began, the contents of a threatening letter sent to the Colemans were revealed. Chris Coleman told police that someone mailed the letter to the family home at 2854 Robert Drive.
According to a report by Columbia Police Sgt. Jason Donjon, the anonymous letter read, "(Expletive)! Deny your God publicly or else! No more opportunities. Time is running out for you and your family."

The letter, dated Jan. 1, referred to someone traveling to Asia, but doesn't refer to anyone by name. Sheri Coleman participated in missionary trips to southeast Asia, including Cambodia.

"Have a good time in India (expletive)!" the letter concluded.

The contents of a second letter to show up at the residence, dated April 27, also are listed in the search warrants records.

That letter stated, "I am giving you the last warning! You have not listened to me and you have not changed your ways. I have warned you to stop traveling and stop carrying on with this fake religious life of stealing people's money."

The letter referred to an unnamed woman.

"You think you are so special to do what you do protecting or think you are protecting her. She is a b*tch and not worth doing it. Stop today or else. I know your schedule. ... This is my last warning. Your worst nightmare is about to happen!"

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My, oh my, oh my......

Thank you, darcie.

I had a hard time getting past "found an orange piece of twine with a noose tied".

God help Sheri's family.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Thanks for that! That should help Tia Marie, and it definitely helped me.

I read updates at work and try to read them fast...lol...I always miss good stuff.

I wonder what's up with the moving? Or is it WHO? was moving?

What else have I missed???:tongueside:

I have a feeling that when Chris' family went inside they packed things up.

IMO.
M.

[FrankieBones1]

Could he have bought airline tickets for him and his girlfriend...and put the girlfriend tickets in Joyce's name?

That is possible, Nellie but don't you need to show ID when you get your boarding pass? We need to show a photo ID now.

[FrankieBones1]

I have a feeling that when Chris' family went inside they packed things up.

IMO.
M.
Yes, that is what the family spokesperson (cousin?) told the media a few days ago.

[FrankieBones1]

Thank you, darcie.

I had a hard time getting past "found an orange piece of twine with a noose tied".

God help Sheri's family.

IMO.
M.
Could he have been planning this as far as last January by writing those letters himself?

Nancy is covering this right now.

[Musterion]

Could he have bought airline tickets for him and his girlfriend...and put the girlfriend tickets in Joyce's name?

I think that is a good possibility. I wonder what date the tickets for he and JM were issued for and where?

The article says Disneyland not Disney World. Travel would have been to California not Florida. How many tickets to that destination and the dates?

Part of me thinks that someone may try to claim an inappropriate relationship between Chris and Joyce Meyer.

IMO.
M.

[FrankieBones1]

Interesting...Nancy says that Chris had bruises and scratches on his right forearm. Also, security cameras in the neighbourhood might shed light on what time Chris left and came back to the house.

[Musterion]

Could he have been planning this as far as last January by writing those letters himself?

Nancy is covering this right now.

Hi Frankie,

According to what the news article said, they found a receipt for spray paint bought in July. That would have had to be ten months ago, unless they typed the wrong month. Why would he keep a receipt that long, for one, especially if he was planning to use the spray paint in a murder/s?

And, two, if that is the receipt for the red spray paint that was used that might suggest he had been planning this for over ten months.

IMO.
M.

[LILMANMAX]

Interesting...Nancy says that Chris had bruises and scratches on his right forearm. Also, security cameras in the neighbourhood might shed light on what time Chris left and came back to the house.

This was the type of evidence I waiting for. Poor Shari fought for her life and her sons. :sad:

[FrankieBones1]

Search warrants served on the vehicles, home and Chris's body.

Rigor mortis had already set in on her body when LE arrived.
The orange (bale) baling twine was fashioned into a noose and was found near the latex gloves with red paint.

[FrankieBones1]

Hi Frankie,

According to what the news article said, they found a receipt for spray paint bought in July. That would have had to be ten months ago, unless they typed the wrong month. Why would he keep a receipt that long, for one, especially if he was planning to use the spray paint in a murder/s?

And, two, if that is the receipt for the red spray paint that was used that might suggest he had been planning this for over ten months.

IMO.
M.
That's right...July. He could have been planning it as far as last July, I suppose. Or he bought the red paint with another job in mind but used it after the murders. Could he have lost the receipt and LE found it easily?

Could his defense be that SODDI found the spray paint and used it just after murdering his family?

[FrankieBones1]

This was the type of evidence I waiting for. Poor Shari fought for her life and her sons. :sad:
Just when I though I couldn't loathe anyone more than Joran or Scott, along comes Chris.

[Musterion]

Yes, that is what the family spokesperson (cousin?) told the media a few days ago.

That's right!

Something bothers me about the date the murders occurred.

Why that date? Why 5 May?

If Chris had been planning this for that particular day, it would stand to reason that he might have had made a better plan with where to dispose of the noose, the gloves, etc. Did something happen where he had to expedite his plan and that is why it seems he was so incredibly sloppy with covering his tracks? And if it did, what was it that made him have to do it that morning?

IMO.
M.

[sunstar]

Could he have been planning this as far as last January by writing those letters himself?

Nancy is covering this right now.

Hi Frankie :smile: I'm watching her show too. I think he probably did plan this back in January. And that PO Box gets me ~ LE found out about it from an email sent to him reminding him money was due on it. Leaving the receipt for the spray paint in the house also was brilliant. Idiot!!! :scared:

[bkwits]

Could he have bought airline tickets for him and his girlfriend...and put the girlfriend tickets in Joyce's name?


Whoever used the ticket would have to show photo ID. That is required in every commercial airport in the US. One article said tickets and another said boarding passes. :confused:

IMO

[Musterion]

Hi Frankie :smile: I'm watching her show too. I think he probably did plan this back in January. And that PO Box gets me ~ LE found out about it from an email sent to him reminding him money was due on it. Leaving the receipt for the spray paint in the house also was brilliant. Idiot!!! :scared:

Hi sunstar,

I am having trouble understanding, if he had planned this for months, or even a year ago, how he would have made the mistakes that he did.

It just seems that he had planned to do this at some point but, not that particular day, and something happened that made him feel he had better murder them right away. Hence, the evidence being so easily found.

IMO.
M.

[sunstar]

Whoever used the ticket would have to show photo ID. That is required in every commercial airport in the US. One article said tickets and another said boarding passes. :confused:

IMO

Boarding passes was stated on Nancy's show tonight. You're sure right about the photo ID and, imo, using Joyce's name would definitely send up a red flag.

[Ice Cycle]

I have been wanting to write this all day but have been busy. I too have kept up with the case from the start but even after the new information believe it is not going to be so easy to prove it. For one as much as I hate to say this I don't believe he is as stupid as others have said, but far from Einstein. Don't get me wrong I think he probably did it but I have a problem believing that anyone that would go to the trouble of planning this out for months would then just so haphazardly pitch the paint & other things out in the woods-and off a rode he normally uses. Why not burn the things or throw them in a river? Plus leave a paint receipt in a pocket? Now this is just MO but I believe if he premeditated it then putting those things in the woods was deliberate and possibly even keeping the receipt. Believe by putting the things in the woods he was trying to make it look like what someone else would do it and correspond with the threats and more than likely their is not going to be any forensic evidence on them since he used gloves. Also since the paint was bought months ago it was either for something else or he planned to use it but either way is going to say the paint and all the things found were already in the house used by someone else. Then their is the time frame, the detective said he examined Sheri and believed rigor mortis had set in and she had been dead 2 to 3 hours, well if that is as close as they can get that is going to be ify since he says he left the house at 5:30 and from the time he called the police. I am just saying based on what they have said so far it does not appear that cut and dry from a defense stand point. MO
Hopefully they have forensic evidence that will indicate him.

[sunstar]

Hi sunstar,

I am having trouble understanding, if he had planned this for months, or even a year ago, how he would have made the mistakes that he did.

It just seems that he had planned to do this at some point but, not that particular day, and something happened that made him feel he had better murder them right away. Hence, the evidence being so easily found.

IMO.
M.
Hi! :smile: I agree I think he was setting it up but something may have happened right before the murders to put the plan into action ~ or ~ he's just plain stupid ~ or ~ a sociopath who thinks LE would buy his story about the threats and look for the "real killer". :scared: MOO

[Musterion]

I have been wanting to write this all day but have been busy. I too have kept up with the case from the start but even after the new information believe it is not going to be so easy to prove it. For one as much as I hate to say this I don't believe he is as stupid as others have said, but far from Einstein. Don't get me wrong I think he probably did it but I have a problem believing that anyone that would go to the trouble of planning this out for months would then just so haphazardly pitch the paint & other things out in the woods-and off a rode he normally uses. Why not burn the things or throw them in a river? Plus leave a paint receipt in a pocket? Now this is just MO but I believe if he premeditated it then putting those things in the woods was deliberate and possibly even keeping the receipt. Believe by putting the things in the woods he was trying to make it look like what someone else would do it and correspond with the threats and more than likely their is not going to be any forensic evidence on them since he used gloves. Also since the paint was bought months ago it was either for something else or he planned to use it but either way is going to say the paint and all the things found were already in the house used by someone else. Then their is the time frame, the detective said he examined Sheri and believed rigor mortis had set in and she had been dead 2 to 3 hours, well if that is as close as they can get that is going to be ify since he says he left the house at 5:30 and from the time he called the police. I am just saying based on what they have said so far it does not appear that cut and dry from a defense stand point. MO
Hopefully they have forensic evidence that will indicate him.

Hi IC,

You could be right. Chris may have tried to think like the 'real' killer framing Chris. Interesting. Is that what you're saying?

Chris had to have known that the security camera to his neighbourhood would capture the time he left the house that morning.

Being an MP and in security for all of these years, it would seem that he would understand all about cell tower pings and forensics on computers. Know that there are cameras virtually everywhere recording traffic or monitoring public buildings and their roadways.

It isn't making a whole lot of sense to me at this point. Except for whatever reason, Chris felt he had to do it right then and there and abort his original date and plan.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Hi! :smile: I agree I think he was setting it up but something may have happened right before the murders to put the plan into action ~ or ~ he's just plain stupid ~ or ~ a sociopath who thinks LE would buy his story about the threats and look for the "real killer". :scared: MOO

You're right, sunstar.

It could just be plain and simple that he is a sociopath and made himself believe he was infallible and no one would know it was him.

If it wasn't so incredibly heartbreaking and horrible, I would almost believe this whole crime was fiction. Some really bad dime store detective novel. But, it isn't and three innocent people lost their lives. And devastated many more.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Boarding passes was stated on Nancy's show tonight. You're sure right about the photo ID and, imo, using Joyce's name would definitely send up a red flag.

Exactly. Why would Joyce be flying commercial anyway?

And, if there is supposed to be some hint at an inappropriate relationship between Chris and JM, why would she use her own name.

Another very strange element to this case.

IMO.
M.

[tia marie]

I have been wanting to write this all day but have been busy. I too have kept up with the case from the start but even after the new information believe it is not going to be so easy to prove it. For one as much as I hate to say this I don't believe he is as stupid as others have said, but far from Einstein. Don't get me wrong I think he probably did it but I have a problem believing that anyone that would go to the trouble of planning this out for months would then just so haphazardly pitch the paint & other things out in the woods-and off a rode he normally uses. Why not burn the things or throw them in a river? Plus leave a paint receipt in a pocket? Now this is just MO but I believe if he premeditated it then putting those things in the woods was deliberate and possibly even keeping the receipt. Believe by putting the things in the woods he was trying to make it look like what someone else would do it and correspond with the threats and more than likely their is not going to be any forensic evidence on them since he used gloves. Also since the paint was bought months ago it was either for something else or he planned to use it but either way is going to say the paint and all the things found were already in the house used by someone else. Then their is the time frame, the detective said he examined Sheri and believed rigor mortis had set in and she had been dead 2 to 3 hours, well if that is as close as they can get that is going to be ify since he says he left the house at 5:30 and from the time he called the police. I am just saying based on what they have said so far it does not appear that cut and dry from a defense stand point. MO
Hopefully they have forensic evidence that will indicate him.

Excellant point. Throwing the paint and other things into the woods, in his mind, would show it was a careless act by the perp. Having everything all neat and tidy, ie, no paint cans, etc. would lean more towards a staged scene.

I do agree its not all cut and dry as yet. Actually its just too early to say.

[sunstar]

You're right, sunstar.

It could just be plain and simple that he is a sociopath and made himself believe he was infallible and no one would know it was him.

If it wasn't so incredibly heartbreaking and horrible, I would almost believe this whole crime was fiction. Some really bad dime store detective novel. But, it isn't and three innocent people lost their lives. And devastated many more.

IMO.
M.

I think this is the answer. He thought he had it set up perfectly with the threatening letters, and left the "helter skelter" crime scene to look as if the one making the threats had actually fulfilled them. He's a pastor's son, worked in security for JMM, an ex-Marine, and probably thought LE would buy his story since he was such an upstanding member of the community. What he didn't realize was the basics of a murder investigation and that criminals are very rarely smarter than LE. So much like Scott P., Drew P., Casey A., etc. :sneaky: MOO

[Nellie]

How far away was the gym? I forget, but was thinking a half hour drive???? Anyway, in the pdf file report from the officer, it says that the police enter through the back window and check the basement and find nothing....then they come upstairs and the garage door is opening and it is Chris. At that point they have not checked the bedrooms and found the bodies....but Chris is already arriving home. The police went there right away, so if Chris was away in this other town could he have had the time to arrive home so quickly after he called police?

[sunstar]

How far away was the gym? I forget, but was thinking a half hour drive???? Anyway, in the pdf file report from the officer, it says that the police enter through the back window and check the basement and find nothing....then they come upstairs and the garage door is opening and it is Chris. At that point they have not checked the bedrooms and found the bodies....but Chris is already arriving home. The police went there right away, so if Chris was away in this other town could he have had the time to arrive home so quickly after he called police?

It was about 20 min. away, IIRC, and apparently he said he tried to call the house a few times, got no answer, so he called for a welfare check. Some reports said he called a neighbor in LE. So he could've been driving home during the time it took the officers to get there. I don't think dispatch would've sent the officers there code 3 for a welfare check when he'd just left the house about an hour earlier. :shrug: MOO

[Nellie]

Oh never mind....it says Chris told the dispatcher that he was enroute home.

[Nellie]

Ok, so I'm watching tv and she is talking about the one letter telling him to "deny your God publically". Now why would anyone want Chris, the Security Guard to deny his God publically???? No one even KNEW him publically! Why wouldn't they be sending such a note to the public figure of this ministry.....Joyce Meyer. Or, did they? I remember reading that she had received threats before. Were these the same threats she had received? Is this where he got the idea?

[sunstar]

Oh never mind....it says Chris told the dispatcher that he was enroute home.

Good to know ~ I haven't gotten to reading the latest yet! :smile:

[CC I See]

Ok, so I'm watching tv and she is talking about the one letter telling him to "deny your God publically". Now why would anyone want Chris, the Security Guard to deny his God publically???? No one even KNEW him publically! Why wouldn't they be sending such a note to the public figure of this ministry.....Joyce Meyer. Or, did they? I remember reading that she had received threats before. Were these the same threats she had received? Is this where he got the idea?

It sounds like he was having trouble with his faith as well, thinking that an evil person wanted him to deny his GOD which means going to hell like some Christian faiths teach.

I hope that they aren't going to try for an insanity plea because it just won't work. He might be mentally disturbed but he knew to cover it up.

[sunstar]

Ok, so I'm watching tv and she is talking about the one letter telling him to "deny your God publically". Now why would anyone want Chris, the Security Guard to deny his God publically???? No one even KNEW him publically! Why wouldn't they be sending such a note to the public figure of this ministry.....Joyce Meyer. Or, did they? I remember reading that she had received threats before. Were these the same threats she had received? Is this where he got the idea?

I agree it sounds more like something sent to JM and I also think this is exactly where I think he got the idea for the threats. MOO

[Nellie]

Ok, I'm re-reading the link that was giving tonight and something about those threatening letters just struck me. There supposedly were TWO letters, right? One in January and one in April, right?
The first one warns him to "deny your God or else".
The second one goes on to say "I warned you to stop travelling and to stop carrying on with this fake religious life.....".
So, here's my question! WHEN did this supposed "boogey man" warn him to stop travelling? That wasn't a part of the first letter. Were there other letters in between? Emails? Phone calls? These two warning letters just do not match up at all!

[Nellie]

I agree it sounds more like something sent to JM and I also think this is exactly where I think he got the idea for the threats. MOO

I do too....it sounds more like something that she would have received. Who is going to mess with a security guard when they are accusing her of taking money? They'd go after her! A security guard is not that important in this scenario!

[bkwits]

Ok, I'm re-reading the link that was giving tonight and something about those threatening letters just struck me. There supposedly were TWO letters, right? One in January and one in April, right?
The first one warns him to "deny your God or else".
The second one goes on to say "I warned you to stop travelling and to stop carrying on with this fake religious life.....".
So, here's my question! WHEN did this supposed "boogey man" warn him to stop travelling? That wasn't a part of the first letter. Were there other letters in between? Emails? Phone calls? These two warning letters just do not match up at all!

It sounds sort of like his conscience or another personna talking to CC. CC commits adultery when traveling. CC is leading a fake life, with a fake religious experience. If he wrote the messages on the wall, IMO, he is blaming JM for his loss of faith. Perhaps he does see her as a phony, etc.

He hated himself and he hated the life he was leading. JMO

[kanzz]

I have been wanting to write this all day but have been busy. I too have kept up with the case from the start but even after the new information believe it is not going to be so easy to prove it. For one as much as I hate to say this I don't believe he is as stupid as others have said, but far from Einstein. Don't get me wrong I think he probably did it but I have a problem believing that anyone that would go to the trouble of planning this out for months would then just so haphazardly pitch the paint & other things out in the woods-and off a rode he normally uses. Why not burn the things or throw them in a river? Plus leave a paint receipt in a pocket? Now this is just MO but I believe if he premeditated it then putting those things in the woods was deliberate and possibly even keeping the receipt. Believe by putting the things in the woods he was trying to make it look like what someone else would do it and correspond with the threats and more than likely their is not going to be any forensic evidence on them since he used gloves. Also since the paint was bought months ago it was either for something else or he planned to use it but either way is going to say the paint and all the things found were already in the house used by someone else. Then their is the time frame, the detective said he examined Sheri and believed rigor mortis had set in and she had been dead 2 to 3 hours, well if that is as close as they can get that is going to be ify since he says he left the house at 5:30 and from the time he called the police. I am just saying based on what they have said so far it does not appear that cut and dry from a defense stand point. MO
Hopefully they have forensic evidence that will indicate him.


The defense wants you on the jury... but you'll have an uphill battle and will be in deliberations a very long time with the other 11 voting "G". jmo

[kanzz]

You're right, sunstar.

It could just be plain and simple that he is a sociopath and made himself believe he was infallible and no one would know it was him.

If it wasn't so incredibly heartbreaking and horrible, I would almost believe this whole crime was fiction. Some really bad dime store detective novel. But, it isn't and three innocent people lost their lives. And devastated many more.

IMO.
M.

I like how you think. ITA

[psbperu]

Difficult to understand exactly why he would kill his sons but then CC's brain is wired differently than most of us.

No matter how organized he was in the past several months in setting up this crime & the crime scene....somehow it went awry....or perhaps in his mind all his machinations made sense.

At any rate I'm glad he is in jail & I don't think there will be a shadow of a doubt that in the end a jury will find him guilty.

[sunstar]

I do too....it sounds more like something that she would have received. Who is going to mess with a security guard when they are accusing her of taking money? They'd go after her! A security guard is not that important in this scenario!

Exactly! And even though it's been said that he travelled with JM, it seems he wasn't that high up the ladder since he was working nights. Most jobs that would be a shift one would start out with. :confused:

[sunstar]

It sounds sort of like his conscience or another personna talking to CC. CC commits adultery when traveling. CC is leading a fake life, with a fake religious experience. If he wrote the messages on the wall, IMO, he is blaming JM for his loss of faith. Perhaps he does see her as a phony, etc.

He hated himself and he hated the life he was leading. JMO

I completely agree. Just one other thing though ~ maybe he never had that 'faith' and sees all involved in ministry as phony. MOO

[bkwits]

I completely agree. Just one other thing though ~ maybe he never had that 'faith' and sees all involved in ministry as phony. MOO

Good point. Perhaps people assume that PKs have faith like their parents and the PK just accepts the role. After all, his dad did get him the job at JMM. Maybe he was scornful of the religious role models all along. He was living a fake life. IMO

[Musterion]

I do too....it sounds more like something that she would have received. Who is going to mess with a security guard when they are accusing her of taking money? They'd go after her! A security guard is not that important in this scenario!

I have to go back and re read the notes but I do believe you have a great find.

As far as who will mess with a security guard, if reports are true that he made 100K, then he had to be semi important. That kind of money isn't low end in most states.

As far as working nights. He may have headed security up for the night patrol. It may have been a very cushy job with sitting around at the computer playing games or emailing or talking on a disposable cell phone with women in Florida.

He, also, was reported to have travelled with Joyce as her personal guard. He would have been out of town a lot. That carries clout and probably perks and a larger salary. He came into that position because of his father, I'm sure.

I have a suspicion that some of the death threats to JM were parroted and quoted by the Coleman stalker.

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

The defense wants you on the jury... but you'll have an uphill battle and will be in deliberations a very long time with the other 11 voting "G". jmo

I don't think you read my post correctly, try again.

[Ice Cycle]

There were reports that they had put the house up for sale at least once but couldn't sell it.

I'm just as confused as you are about why the house looked as if they were moving. :confused:

Does anyone know if this is true and is so when did they try to sell it. Wondering if it was around the time they took out the new mortgage and changed deed to his name only.

[Ice Cycle]

Hi IC,

You could be right. Chris may have tried to think like the 'real' killer framing Chris. Interesting. Is that what you're saying?
IMO.
M.

Yes,,,,,,,

[Musterion]

Does anyone know if this is true and is so when did they try to sell it. Wondering if it was around the time they took out the new mortgage and changed deed to his name only.

Hi Ice,

I keep hearing this but I'm having trouble finding out the source and if it is credible.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

I don't think you read my post correctly, try again.

Awww, Ice, I know what you meant!

IMO.
M.

[CC I See]

Exactly! And even though it's been said that he travelled with JM, it seems he wasn't that high up the ladder since he was working nights. Most jobs that would be a shift one would start out with. :confused:

Some people prefer working evenings/nights because it gives them time during the day to get things done. In the work that I do, I am constantly surprised at the number of people who do night shift work because they prefer it. It looks like his night shift was really the 3-11 and not the overnight since he was home until he went to the gym that morning. Also JM probably had evening/night services and few day services since so many people work during the week and that is when security was needed.

[CC I See]

At some point I expect the Coleman family to break their silence and come out trashing Sheri and her family. I am surprised they haven't done so already. It is obvious they don't care since they had nothing to say to them after she and the boys were found murdered. If they had thought that this was an intruder that killed them would they have been this silent?

[Abbie]

Some people prefer working evenings/nights because it gives them time during the day to get things done. In the work that I do, I am constantly surprised at the number of people who do night shift work because they prefer it. It looks like his night shift was really the 3-11 and not the overnight since he was home until he went to the gym that morning. Also JM probably had evening/night services and few day services since so many people work during the week and that is when security was needed.

I worked 11pm to7am for about 11 years, then changed to 3-11, both by choice. i would take either one of them over 7-3, because I hate getting up in the morning. The client I have now is a mornings-only client.:scared: I keep saying when she passes away I will retire 100%, but shes a pretty healthy woman......

abbie:smile:

[Nellie]

I've been thinking about the house being put into his name only and why he would do that. I don't believe Sheri did it.....unless she was tricked into doing it. Anyway, I keep thinking of how it would benefit him to have it in his name only if he was going to kill her anyway. With her dead, wouldn't he get the house anyway?

So, then I got to thinking.....which came first.....the house ownership switch or the threatening letters? The house ownership did! It took place back in Oct/Nov, didn't it? The letters began in January, right?
So, perhaps his original plan was a divorce and with the house in his name only, he figured he'd get the house in the divorce settlement.
Maybe he had even told Sheri he wanted a divorce.....or maybe she discovered the girlfriend.....and realized she'd been duped about the house. I don't know....but maybe his original plan was divorce and then he switched it to murder in January when he set that plan in place.
That could explain the house ownership switch.
Now, IF Sheri signed it over.....and I could believe she did it if she was tricked into thinking it was the best thing to do.....perhaps it had something to do with the financial classes they took. I know I was wrapped up in a church that emphasized the man as the "head of the home", which isn't bad altogether but can be taken to the extreme....and maybe in this class Sheri was convinced that the house should be in his name only. Some of the women in the church I was in were like "stepford wives".....I wonder if Sheri was like that? I just remember taking financial advice in the church we were in and part of it was that the man should handle the money and it just about tore our marriage apart because I am SO NOT a Stepford wife type. I'd be more interested to know more about the financial class they took. Does anyone know if it was called Financial Peace?

[Nellie]

I do think this ministry wil be drawn into this investigation.
I don't know how they couldn't have their computer searched.
His dad's church may be drawn into it too, as I'm sure they could
have computers there as well. There could be evidence (emails, searches, etc) on any of these computers.

Not only was JM his employer.....it was my opinion from things I've read that they were "close".

I do think she will be drug into this....maybe that's why she's being so silent on it.

[kanzz]

I don't think you read my post correctly, try again.

Sorry. My comment was meant to praise your objectivity, and certainly not to criticize, but I can see why you might think that by the way my post was written.

[bkwits]

I've been thinking about the house being put into his name only and why he would do that. I don't believe Sheri did it.....unless she was tricked into doing it. Anyway, I keep thinking of how it would benefit him to have it in his name only if he was going to kill her anyway. With her dead, wouldn't he get the house anyway?

So, then I got to thinking.....which came first.....the house ownership switch or the threatening letters? The house ownership did! It took place back in Oct/Nov, didn't it? The letters began in January, right?
So, perhaps his original plan was a divorce and with the house in his name only, he figured he'd get the house in the divorce settlement.
Maybe he had even told Sheri he wanted a divorce.....or maybe she discovered the girlfriend.....and realized she'd been duped about the house. I don't know....but maybe his original plan was divorce and then he switched it to murder in January when he set that plan in place.
That could explain the house ownership switch.
Now, IF Sheri signed it over.....and I could believe she did it if she was tricked into thinking it was the best thing to do.....perhaps it had something to do with the financial classes they took. I know I was wrapped up in a church that emphasized the man as the "head of the home", which isn't bad altogether but can be taken to the extreme....and maybe in this class Sheri was convinced that the house should be in his name only. Some of the women in the church I was in were like "stepford wives".....I wonder if Sheri was like that? I just remember taking financial advice in the church we were in and part of it was that the man should handle the money and it just about tore our marriage apart because I am SO NOT a Stepford wife type. I'd be more interested to know more about the financial class they took. Does anyone know if it was called Financial Peace?



It seems like from what I have read there was no equity left in the house. Those homes in that subdivision are selling for around $200k. One a couple of doors away sold for $218K this year. Another in the subd. sold for $199K. I had read that they took a new mortgage for about $220 or 230K at about the same time she signed the quit claim. I also read from the LE search warrents that they found papers for a line of credit on their house. They may have been up to their necks in debt.

IMO

[anais2005]

Were the notes actually adressed to him? If not then it is highly likely they were for her, and in his position as security he got hold of them,

Deny your god, and not profiting from god sound like they were meant for Joyce, she was the public face of the ministry what would it achieve to go after her security man, he couldn't change anything about the ministry but Joyce could if she wanted to, or felt she needed to

and are the search warrants online?

[bkwits]

Were the notes actually adressed to him? If not then it is highly likely they were for her, and in his position as security he got hold of them,

Deny your god, and not profiting from god sound like they were meant for Joyce, she was the public face of the ministry what would it achieve to go after her security man, he couldn't change anything about the ministry but Joyce could if she wanted to, or felt she needed to

and are the search warrants online?

Lots of stuff publ by Post-Dispatch. Warrants are listed as pdfs.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/817EA6379E6F0BF2862575C4000DABF6?OpenDocument

[bkwits]

Lots of stuff publ by Post-Dispatch. Warrants are listed as pdfs.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/817EA6379E6F0BF2862575C4000DABF6?OpenDocument

Sheri's signature is shown on quit claim deed and also on the two different mortgages. An odd signature.

[klock777]

It seems like from what I have read there was no equity left in the house. Those homes in that subdivision are selling for around $200k. One a couple of doors away sold for $218K this year. Another in the subd. sold for $199K. I had read that they took a new mortgage for about $220 or 230K at about the same time she signed the quit claim. I also read from the LE search warrents that they found papers for a line of credit on their house. They may have been up to their necks in debt.

IMO

I have something to say about this....

When my husband and I were going to get a loan to build our house on our property, the BANK LOAN officer advised this to us....

that if we took my name off the land and just had my husbands, then they could make the loan to JUST him - reason being I had credit card debt and he did not. Doing it this way allowed to count his income and his debt - which was little. Leaving me off - left off my credit card debt.

Just a thought of why this may have been done.

[darcie]

I do think this ministry wil be drawn into this investigation.
I don't know how they couldn't have their computer searched.
His dad's church may be drawn into it too, as I'm sure they could
have computers there as well. There could be evidence (emails, searches, etc) on any of these computers.

Not only was JM his employer.....it was my opinion from things I've read that they were "close".

I do think she will be drug into this....maybe that's why she's being so silent on it.

Rumor has it on the Post Dispatch board that the computer that generated the threatening letters was from the father's church. True? Who knows. Good possibility I guess, but I don't know how long LE have had his father's computers and if the time line fits.

[darcie]

I have something to say about this....

When my husband and I were going to get a loan to build our house on our property, the BANK LOAN officer advised this to us....

that if we took my name off the land and just had my husbands, then they could make the loan to JUST him - reason being I had credit card debt and he did not. Doing it this way allowed to count his income and his debt - which was little. Leaving me off - left off my credit card debt.

Just a thought of why this may have been done.

That makes sense. Something similar is my 24 year old son and his wife purchased their 1st home a year ago. To qualify for a 1st time purchasers loan (I think that is what they call it), the banker suggested leaving HER name off, making income smaller meaning less of a downpayment. Which makes me think, no wonder the banking industry/mortgage companies are in the shape they are in.

[FrankieBones1]

Difficult to understand exactly why he would kill his sons but then CC's brain is wired differently than most of us.

No matter how organized he was in the past several months in setting up this crime & the crime scene....somehow it went awry....or perhaps in his mind all his machinations made sense.

At any rate I'm glad he is in jail & I don't think there will be a shadow of a doubt that in the end a jury will find him guilty.
Hi, stranger! Great post.

[FrankieBones1]

Hi Frankie :smile: I'm watching her show too. I think he probably did plan this back in January. And that PO Box gets me ~ LE found out about it from an email sent to him reminding him money was due on it. Leaving the receipt for the spray paint in the house also was brilliant. Idiot!!! :scared:
He must have had his plate full and was preoccupied. Don't you love these guys that think they are smarter than LE?

[bkwits]

Was the the Quitdeed claim signed around the same time that they opened their business?

I don't know when they started their business. The quit claim deed and the new mortgage were signed on the same day, so it seems that her signing the quit claim deed has something to do with the financing as other posters have mentioned

IMO

[girlspell]

What kind of lawyer did he get? A public defender or high powered one? Somehow I don't think a top lawyer would take this case...

[Musterion]

I haven't had a chance to read all of the links that were provided. I am wondering two things, do the documents speak to whether Sheri had any skin under her fingernails from a perpetrator? And, did they perform a rape kit on her? She was lying naked so I assume they did.

Anyone who can answer, I'd appreciate it!

Praying for Sheri's family. This is pure hell and pure horror for them. Whatever they need to do, I, for one, will pray and support them.

Sheri:rose:
Gavin:rose:
Garret:rose:

IMO.
M

[Musterion]

What kind of lawyer did he get? A public defender or high powered one? Somehow I don't think a top lawyer would take this case...

Hi girlspell,

Here is his attorney's web site. Really not much of one.

http://mgmlawfirm.com/

Below is from: http://www.lawyers.com/Missouri/St.-Louis/William-S.-Margulis-1045521-a.html

Location: 11 South Meramec Avenue
Suite 1330, St. Louis, Missouri 63105-1716(Independent City)
View Map Free Initial Consultation Accepts Credit Cards
William S. Margulis practices in the following areas of law: Criminal Law
Admitted: 1990, Missouri; 1991, Illinois; U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Missouri; U.S. Court of Appeals, Eighth Circuit
Law School: Washington University, J.D., 1990
College: Tulane University; Washington University, B.A., 1987
Member: Illinois State Bar Association; The Missouri Bar; National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers (Life Member); Missouri Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.
Biography: Phi Alpha Delta. Law Clerk, The Honorable John F. Nangle, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Missouri, 1991-1992.
Born: St. Louis, Missouri, November 7, 1964
Rate Information:
Fixed Hourly Rates
Fixed Fees Available
Free Initial Consultation
Accepts Major Credit Cards
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Web Site: http://www.mgmlaw.com

I believe his attorney is a well known and respected man.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

http://radiantgod.blogspot.com/2009/05/chris-coleman-security-guard-for-joyce.html

"1 comments:

onthuhlist said...
May 20, 2009 11:11 AM
You can see Chris Coleman mowing his yard from the air. Go to maps.live.com, search for Chris Coleman's address (2854 Robert Drive, columbia, IL), then click on 'Bird's Eye' view and zoom in. Then hit one of the 'Rotate' buttons. In two views, you'll see the family trampoline next to the house, and Chris Coleman in the back yard mowing. In the other two views, you'll see the trampoline out in the middle of the yard after Chris had finished mowing the yard."

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?encType=1&where1=2854+Robert+Dr%2c+Columbia%2c+IL+62236-2674

The map shows a really good view of the neighbourhood.

I don't really know if that is CC mowing or not, but the neighbourhood map is really good to get a feel for where they lived.

IMO.
M.

[aproudmom]

well well seems daddy gets more evil by the day..:cursing:

[bkwits]

What kind of lawyer did he get? A public defender or high powered one? Somehow I don't think a top lawyer would take this case...


From what I understand Margulis and Margulis is a top rated criminal defense firm. It is a father/son team. IMO

[bkwits]

I haven't had a chance to read all of the links that were provided. I am wondering two things, do the documents speak to whether Sheri had any skin under her fingernails from a perpetrator? And, did they perform a rape kit on her? She was lying naked so I assume they did.

Anyone who can answer, I'd appreciate it!

Praying for Sheri's family. This is pure hell and pure horror for them. Whatever they need to do, I, for one, will pray and support them.

Sheri:rose:
Gavin:rose:
Garret:rose:

IMO.
M

I skimmed through most of them. I don't think they addressed whether she had skin fragments under her nails or wheter a rape kit was done. The posted documents are mostly about what evidence was seized from the home and car and CC's body.

I was also wondering about the fact that Sheri was found nude face down on the bed. Assuming CC did it, do you think he removed her clothes after the strangulation. I don't think many mothers sleep in the nude, but maybe I am wrong.

[Nellie]

I was curious about her being found nude too, as I also don't think she'd be sleeping nude. It made me wonder if they were "making love" and he slipped the noose around her neck during it.....the thought makes me sick. But, I can't think of any reason he'd undress her after he killed her.

[darcie]

http://sheriannherboys.com./

This is a website set up for the memorial plans for Sheri and the boys. I haven't been able to get on there yet because of the traffic volume. Maybe someone else will have more luck!

[witchywoman]

I skimmed through most of them. I don't think they addressed whether she had skin fragments under her nails or wheter a rape kit was done. The posted documents are mostly about what evidence was seized from the home and car and CC's body.

I was also wondering about the fact that Sheri was found nude face down on the bed. Assuming CC did it, do you think he removed her clothes after the strangulation. I don't think many mothers sleep in the nude, but maybe I am wrong.

I sleep nude, but ive a robe on the foot of the bed, in case i need it...

this is so heart wrenching, i keep thinking of those lil boys, bless their souls, and bless the moms soul to

[taylor63]

I sleep nude, but ive a robe on the foot of the bed, in case i need it...

this is so heart wrenching, i keep thinking of those lil boys, bless their souls, and bless the moms soul to

I agree witchywoman this has to be the saddest,most heartwrenching as well as horrific murder case I have just about ever heard of. I try not to think too much about it excepts when I visit or post on this board, or watch the Nancy Grace show. The thought of that poor woman and those little boys looking into the eyes of their husband/daddy who they loved and trusted more than anyone in this world and begging him for mercy is the most heartbreaking thing I have ever thought of.

[Ice Cycle]

I was curious about her being found nude too, as I also don't think she'd be sleeping nude. It made me wonder if they were "making love" and he slipped the noose around her neck during it.....the thought makes me sick. But, I can't think of any reason he'd undress her after he killed her.


Hi All,
No I don't think with children she would be in the habit of sleeping nude and can't think of any other reason would apply at 3:00 to 6:00 am.

[Ralar]

Hi All,
No I don't think with children she would be in the habit of sleeping nude and can't think of any other reason would apply at 3:00 to 6:00 am.

I have a 7-year-old and I often sleep nude. She's seen me unclothed many times and it is no big deal. I leave PJs on the floor near my bed and if I have to get up I quickly slip them on. No biggie. I know plenty of people with kids who sleep nude.

[bkwits]

I have a 7-year-old and I often sleep nude. She's seen me unclothed many times and it is no big deal. I leave PJs on the floor near my bed and if I have to get up I quickly slip them on. No biggie. I know plenty of people with kids who sleep nude.

I am assuming you are female. You have a daughter. That is much different than prepubescent boys seeing their mom in the nude. I would also guess that being a conservative Christian, she would be reticent about such things. Of course, I may be mistaken, but I think he prob undressed her.

IMO

[CC I See]

I am assuming you are female. You have a daughter. That is much different than prepubescent boys seeing their mom in the nude. I would also guess that being a conservative Christian, she would be reticent about such things. Of course, I may be mistaken, but I think he prob undressed her. IMO

I agree, it was most likely to further degrade her but having strangers find her like that. He might have also wanted it to look like a sexual attack by the intruder.

[Pag Boi]

www.bnd.com has the SW's related to the girlfriend. CC told her he was going to marry her in 2010. Rev. Coleman led LE to her!

[Nellie]

Wow! From above link...
Lintz said Coleman planned to divorce Sheri Coleman by June 14. The relationship started several weeks after Sheri Coleman signed off the family's deed to their $230,000 home at 2854 Robert Drive in Columbia on Oct. 6.

[Musterion]

I agree, it was most likely to further degrade her but having strangers find her like that. He might have also wanted it to look like a sexual attack by the intruder.

Hi CCISEE,

I believe that the person who killed her was trying to stage it so that it looked like she was raped.

There hasn't been any news on that and, maybe, they are not releasing all info.

IMO.
M

[Musterion]

Thanks for the link. I wonder what time he spoke with the gf? The article just said "hours before the murder."

I wonder that, too.

The article also says:

"Lintz told police that Coleman told her that he did not commit the homicides and that he had an alibi."

Did Sheri know that he was about to divorce her?

What do you imagine the alibi might be?

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

Hi CCISEE,

I believe that the person who killed her was trying to stage it so that it looked like she was raped.

There hasn't been any news on that and, maybe, they are not releasing all info.

IMO.
M

Possibly or it could of actually been-by him. It's all almost to morbid to think about. I am though beginning to think their is alot more to this that will come out. I really wonder if she already knew about her and either was planning on leaving him (boxes in house) or vise versa. The biggest think is about the son's and I can't even think of any sick reason he would do that to them unless their was a fight and they heard it (as the neighbor said) then he knew they could tell.

[Musterion]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/B1F6BDD14E1D573F862575C5005BFE6B?OpenDocument

"The documents further say that Coleman created a new email account after the murders, and used it to send the girlfriend a message.

"He discussed the interview he had with the investigators concerning the death of his family. He told her, he did not commit the murders and had an alibi," an affidavit states.

Lintz contacted authorities after getting the email, the documents state."

IMO.
M.

[KittyMom]

Hi All,
No I don't think with children she would be in the habit of sleeping nude and can't think of any other reason would apply at 3:00 to 6:00 am.

Could she have been getting ready to shower?

[Ice Cycle]

Could she have been getting ready to shower?

Yeah I though of that but would that of not made it between 3:00-5:00 am (if it is true she had been dead 2 to 3 hours when LE got there). The thought occurred to me that maybe she normally did get up early when he went to the gym and maybe she then got in the shower. It would not have left much of a time frame but if he had it planned to do it right before he left.

[Musterion]

Possibly or it could of actually been-by him. It's all almost to morbid to think about. I am though beginning to think their is alot more to this that will come out. I really wonder if she already knew about her and either was planning on leaving him (boxes in house) or vise versa. The biggest think is about the son's and I can't even think of any sick reason he would do that to them unless their was a fight and they heard it (as the neighbor said) then he knew they could tell.

Hi IC,

You know. I don't think she had a clue. The more I have been thinking about it it occurred to me that someone had told the news that the Coleman's were a happy family, very loving couple. And, that just the weekend before they had all gone to a game and camping. I don't think Sheri knew. Her family didn't have any idea either. They said they had never known there were any problems. That Sheri never complained.

So, family and neighbours and friends, it seems, no one knew. Just Chris. And Tara.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Yeah I though of that but would that of not made it between 3:00-5:00 am (if it is true she had been dead 2 to 3 hours when LE got there). The thought occurred to me that maybe she normally did get up early when he went to the gym and maybe she then got in the shower. It would not have left much of a time frame but if he had it planned to do it right before he left.

I'm thinking of what the alibi could possibly be. To have an alibi suggests there is someone who he either was with, talking to on the phone, or somewhere that has surveillance tapes, like a casino.

I haven't heard if he has said that he was home all night. He just said that he left there at 5:45 and went to the gym.

Do we know if he actually said he checked on his children and wife before he left for the gym? He may have slept on the couch or in a spare room and not with his wife, to have known if she was alive.

IMO.
M.

[sunstar]

I am assuming you are female. You have a daughter. That is much different than prepubescent boys seeing their mom in the nude. I would also guess that being a conservative Christian, she would be reticent about such things. Of course, I may be mistaken, but I think he prob undressed her.

IMO

Hi! I agree with you. I also thought sexual assault was quickly ruled out so it seems if there was any evidence of sex that wouldn't be so? My opinion is she was undressed afterward for humiliation, in line with the obscene messages left in red paint. :sad: MOO

[KittyMom]

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-coleman-murders-update-052909,0,274749.story

Court records also indicate that Coleman promised to divorce Sheri by June 14th of this year and that he had talked to Lintz the night before the murders of his wife and kids.


I'm thinking Tara told him to leave Sheri or lose her (Tara). I think this is why he chose this particular night to committ the crimes.

[Musterion]

"Police obtained a three page handwriting sample from Coleman."
and, "UMSL Criminologist David Curry sees it all as a cover up."

Curry is a domestic violence expert and says, "He had planned this quite a bit, had prepared for it, he had evidence in place to make it look like a stranger was going to do it and he worked on it quite a while. He had to make it brutal, to make it look like someone who didn't love them did it. And I suspect he didn't really love them," says Curry.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-coleman-warrants-052709,0,1978551.story

IMO.
M.

[sunstar]

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-coleman-murders-update-052909,0,274749.story



I'm thinking Tara told him to leave Sheri or lose her (Tara). I think this is why he chose this particular night to committ the crimes.

I'm thinking the same thing. It seems the mistress definitely was part of the motive. I wonder how he feels now that she seems to be cooperating with LE?

[MissElainyS]

Hi IC,

You know. I don't think she had a clue. The more I have been thinking about it it occurred to me that someone had told the news that the Coleman's were a happy family, very loving couple. And, that just the weekend before they had all gone to a game and camping. I don't think Sheri knew. Her family didn't have any idea either. They said they had never known there were any problems. That Sheri never complained.

So, family and neighbours and friends, it seems, no one knew. Just Chris. And Tara.

IMO.
M.



I can totally buy this scenario. How many sociopaths lead double lives and the family members and friends are the last to know. Remember Scott Peterson?

[Musterion]

I can totally buy this scenario. How many sociopaths lead double lives and the family members and friends are the last to know. Remember Scott Peterson?

Hi MissE,

You know. I just re read Sharon Rocha's book about Laci. A few weeks before the Coleman murders. What similarities.

So many sociopaths in the history of the world. But, it seems within the last fifty or more years there has been an increase.

We have a few cases right now. The Coleman case. Casey Anthony. Possibly Melissa Huckaby. And many more.

IMO.
M.

[Pag Boi]

"Police obtained a three page handwriting sample from Coleman."
and, "UMSL Criminologist David Curry sees it all as a cover up."

Curry is a domestic violence expert and says, "He had planned this quite a bit, had prepared for it, he had evidence in place to make it look like a stranger was going to do it and he worked on it quite a while. He had to make it brutal, to make it look like someone who didn't love them did it. And I suspect he didn't really love them," says Curry.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-coleman-warrants-052709,0,1978551.story

IMO.
M.



Hey Musterion!

ITA that he might have been planning it. We know he had the po box since at least last June. He had a credit card in SC's name going to that box. He got the deed put in his name only last Oct (it was filed w/ ROD in Nov). All the cell phones, cameras, etc.

Tara says the affair started last Nov. IF that is true, it seems Tara was just another piece of the pycho plan. Maybe it only got consumatede in Nov? Tara admitted to a cyber relationship (paraphrasing) IYKWIM

JMOO

[Nellie]

I wonder that, too.

The article also says:

"Lintz told police that Coleman told her that he did not commit the homicides and that he had an alibi."

Did Sheri know that he was about to divorce her?

What do you imagine the alibi might be?

IMO.
M.


Hi Musterion! I believe the alibi was that he was away at the gym when they were murdered.

This man is even dumber than Scott Peterson. Didn't he see how it all turned out for him? Ahhh, but I guess he thought he was smarter than Scott......he set up a fake threat!

And as bad as Scott Peterson was for killing his wife and unborn baby boy, this character Chris Coleman is even worse. He was able to murder his two sons he had actually held in his arms, played with, kissed, and watched grow. How could he!!!!! :cursing:

Did he not think the girlfriend would be found out?
Did he not think she would tell that he was divorcing Sheri on June 14.
What was so special about June 14?
Darn what a shame......she died before he got the chance to divorce her. Darn the luck anyway!!
Did he not think the girlfriend would cooperate and tell the police everything!?
Did he think SHE'd really believe that the "boogeyman" killed his family just because he showed her those fake emails? I think she immediately suspected that he killed them! Why else contact the police and tell them about the new email address he emailed her from? She knew....
And, I don't think Sheri suspected a thing.
And the timing of the affair to begin....right after Sheri supposedly signed the house over to him. He had known this girl throughout his marriage to Sheri.....it's not like he just met her....so what triggered the affair to start when it did?
And wow, so they were supposedly having this affair since Oct/Nov and were already planning to get married?
And I'm curious about him emailing those threatening letters to show the girlfriend. Emailed them to her? Now to email them to her, he either had them already on his computer (from typing them on there and he seems so incredibly stupid I wouldn't doubt it)....or he scanned them. I'd be interested in knowing if they were scanned copies or not.....you can tell if a letter is scanned.

This guy is just downright stupid and evil.
I think he thought he covered his bases better than SP and others...
thought he was smarter than them! He was even dumber than them! It was transparent from the beginning that he did it.

[Musterion]

Good Evening all. Thought I'd jump in here since this case stands out as one of the most horrific that has been in the media limelight.

I was listening some to the panel on NG (or whatever her name is that comes on before her) discuss this case and they had a female guest who gave a profile of CC, the type of human he is. What she was saying literally caused the hair to stand up on the back of my neck.

Most normal humans, including myself wonder two things:
1. How could anyone do such a thing?
2. How could he be so stupid with the evidence?

This woman was explaining that he is a psychopath without any feelings whatsoever. To him others are like furniture, including his precious babies. Nothing more than an object that fulfills a personal need or supply in his life. And when something better comes along, they discard the other thing without batting an eye.

There was no apparently no signs of violence or any sign of something being wrong in his relationship with his children. To any observers, he appeared as the perfect father. No outward signs of anything other than that.

She was describing how these types of people are perfect chamealeons, that they can play any character completely convincingly. They mimic behavior all their lives and "learn" how to manipulate, charm and act their way through life.


In terms of leaving evidence all over the place and how stupid that is. This woman was describing how these types of people do not have the capacity to see through other people's eyes to understand how they perceive things. Everything he does is from his own head which, to him, is the perfect plan and, in CC's case, he just wasn't all that smart.

So, when he met the other woman, he developed a plan - almost like a fiction novel. He thought it through in his head and then carried it out. His grandiose sense of super-self was convinced it would work. He felt nothing as his young boys were fighting for their lives, turning purple and dying. No different to him than chopping up a broken chair and tossing it into the fireplace.

That type of person gives me the chills. Years ago, I did some research on the Narcissistic and psychopathic personalities. I remember how, for awhile after that, I would look at everyone I saw and think to myself, "I wonder if that person is one". But, after awhile, I kind of forgot about it.

Enter Chris Coleman. The zombies really do exist! For some reason this case has really freaked me out. It's kind of like you can't trust anyone really. You meet a new friend or go out on a date. . . how do you know?

I'm starting to feel a bit like there are aliens among us who have invaded a certain percentage of human bodies at birth. Dangerous and deceptive, they walk and talk among us but aren't like us at all.

So this deeply tragic case is horrific and creepy. I can't get the image of those two little boys and what their faces must have looked like as their father murdered them. Without forewarning. Without any sign of a problem. To them, he was probabaly their beloved Dad as I am sure CC played the part very well. Oh, what a terrible betrayal for them!
Prayers for Garritt and Gaven.

Just had to write something. :sad:

Thank you, Talamoth, for your heartfelt and articulate post. I'm glad you shared your thoughts and grief.

I'm haunted, too, with what those little boys must have felt the last fleeting seconds of their life. Did their dad tuck them into their little beds and hug them goodnight saying, 'I love you.' Knowing he was going to make a noose and kill them within the next few hours. And what about Sheri. Unsuspecting. Thinking about the week ahead. Thinking her life was secure. Going to sleep and the next thing she is aware of is someone ending her life.

This will be something none of us will ever forget and will change many of us and our thought processes about people we encounter, and our safety.

Praying for Sheri and Garret and Gavin's family and friends as they try to understand and grieve these huge losses.

IMO.
M.

[aproudmom]

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-coleman-murders-update-052909,0,274749.story



I'm thinking Tara told him to leave Sheri or lose her (Tara). I think this is why he chose this particular night to committ the crimes.

ITA..NEVER KNOWING WHAT HIS PLAN WAS:cursing:

[aproudmom]

www.bnd.com has the SW's related to the girlfriend. CC told her he was going to marry her in 2010. Rev. Coleman led LE to her!


OMG He is one sick Evil MONSTER so I guess maybe the rumor about her talking about wedding invitations could be true:cursing:and I am sorry but this girl is sick having Sherri on her myspace as she was getting her jollies off her hubby..sick sick

The last login date of Sheri Coleman's MySpace account was May 4 -- the day before her body was found. The time of the login was not known. Lintz was listed as a friend on Sheri Coleman's MySpace account

[aproudmom]

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2009/05/06/news/doc4a0176541f686594036779.txt

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/4826560E9F97109B862575AE00105849?OpenDocument

"Neighbors in Columbia Lakes said the family had put the home on the market at least once but were unable to sell it."

have we heard why her name was removed from the deed?

[aproudmom]

If Sheri was so unsuspecting then why would she sign the house over to him without a reason. What was the reason he gave to Sheri. IF it is Sheri's signature.
Coleman was e-mailing the letters to Tara. Was he showing them to Sheri? Why was Sheri so comfortable with Coleman leaving in the early hours in the morning and leaving Sheri and the boys alone if these terrorizing letters were showing up and the mailbox was being tampered with.
None of this makes a whole lot of sense. Being a good mother why was it okay for Coleman to continue traveling and taking off to the gym if they were receiving threatening letters. Why was he so comfortable going along with his normal schedule. FGS he was head of security where he worked.
JMO

I would like to know all of the above also just why was her name removed from the house

[bkwits]

This article gives some more info about Tara Lintz. Apparently, she went to AZ and Hawaii to meet with CC when he was traveling with Joyce Meyers.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/38C8A2705592CEA2862575C6000E2F8E?OpenDocument

[taylor63]

Hi Musterion! I believe the alibi was that he was away at the gym when they were murdered.

This man is even dumber than Scott Peterson. Didn't he see how it all turned out for him? Ahhh, but I guess he thought he was smarter than Scott......he set up a fake threat!

And as bad as Scott Peterson was for killing his wife and unborn baby boy, this character Chris Coleman is even worse. He was able to murder his two sons he had actually held in his arms, played with, kissed, and watched grow. How could he!!!!! :cursing:

Did he not think the girlfriend would be found out?
Did he not think she would tell that he was divorcing Sheri on June 14.
What was so special about June 14?
Darn what a shame......she died before he got the chance to divorce her. Darn the luck anyway!!
Did he not think the girlfriend would cooperate and tell the police everything!?
Did he think SHE'd really believe that the "boogeyman" killed his family just because he showed her those fake emails? I think she immediately suspected that he killed them! Why else contact the police and tell them about the new email address he emailed her from? She knew....
And, I don't think Sheri suspected a thing.
And the timing of the affair to begin....right after Sheri supposedly signed the house over to him. He had known this girl throughout his marriage to Sheri.....it's not like he just met her....so what triggered the affair to start when it did?
And wow, so they were supposedly having this affair since Oct/Nov and were already planning to get married?
And I'm curious about him emailing those threatening letters to show the girlfriend. Emailed them to her? Now to email them to her, he either had them already on his computer (from typing them on there and he seems so incredibly stupid I wouldn't doubt it)....or he scanned them. I'd be interested in knowing if they were scanned copies or not.....you can tell if a letter is scanned.

This guy is just downright stupid and evil.
I think he thought he covered his bases better than SP and others...
thought he was smarter than them! He was even dumber than them! It was transparent from the beginning that he did it.

I think this is about the most horrific,not to mention tragic murder case I have ever heard of Nellie. This case has really crushed me to the depths of my soul. I can't conceive how anyone could do what this man did.

He had to look his family right in the eye while he was murdering them. I have been haunted by the fact that both the boys and Sheri fought and struggled and begged for mercy. I have literally become physically ill over this.

And the FACT that he was the son of a preacher makes it even worse if that's possible. He had to hear and know the bible. If anyone should have known the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, it should have been this man. If anyone should have known about love and mercy, it should have been this man. If anyone should have known about loving his family and protecting them at all costs, it should have been this man.

There's still a big part of me that hopes and prays he didn't do this and there really was an evil intruder who had threatened him and his family for months then followed through on the threats.

[bkwits]

It could well be that Monster Chris forged the sig for the house ownership transfer. It could also be that Sheri was terrified of this man and would, therefore, not argue with anything. He seemed to exhibit obsessive, almost stalking like, behavior in terms of controlling her and watching her every move. Who knows the things he said and did to her in private. He probably psychologically terrorized her and, for the sake of the boys, as well as her own life, perhaps she just went along with whatever he asked of her.

Regarding his being so comfortable going along with normal schedule, etc. - people like this have such a grandiose sense of self they truly believe they can outsmart anyone and that they are way above reproach. Their stupidity shows when reasoning through the eyes of others is necessary in order to carry out a plan that would work. IMO

I don't know why all the fuss about Sheri signing the quit claim deed. A couple of posters have explained why this happens. They milked all the equity out of the house, IMO. It is most likely now not worth what is owed on it. A better question is what happened to the 25-30,000 cash they got out of the refinancing.

IMO

IMO

[taylor63]

Yes, this is horrific beyond belief and I have been haunted by it as well. I also have become spooked by these types of people who walk among us undetected. Scroll up to the middle of the page and read my (rather long) post regarding the description of psychopaths and what a profiler said about them when discussing CC. They can do this type of think just as easily as taking out the garbage. It is really hard to believe and it is really hideous to think of how these people fit in to society so easily - how it could be anyone - the person bagging your groceries, your next door neighbor, the man across the street mowing his lawn, the bank teller, the next person asking you for a date. Really horrifically creepy.

I guess it's like their dead people walking around without a heart,soul,or a conscience at all.

[Amy]

I think this is about the most horrific,not to mention tragic murder case I have ever heard of Nellie. This case has really crushed me to the depths of my soul. I can't conceive how anyone could do what this man did.

He had to look his family right in the eye while he was murdering them. I have been haunted by the fact that both the boys and Sheri fought and struggled and begged for mercy. I have literally become physically ill over this.

And the FACT that he was the son of a preacher makes it even worse if that's possible. He had to hear and know the bible. If anyone should have known the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, it should have been this man. If anyone should have known about love and mercy, it should have been this man. If anyone should have known about loving his family and protecting them at all costs, it should have been this man.

There's still a big part of me that hopes and prays he didn't do this and there really was an evil intruder who had threatened him and his family for months then followed through on the threats.

Bolding mine:

He didn't have to look in their faces as he strangled them, if he did. A coward would have turned his victim's onto their stomachs and pulled the cords from behind. I suppose, unless he was getting some great satisfaction from the murders. But it doesn't sound like that was why he murdered them, for satisfaction, but just that it was something he had to do so he could get on with the new life he was planning. IMO.

[Amy]

I don't know why all the fuss about Sheri signing the quit claim deed. A couple of posters have explained why this happens. They milked all the equity out of the house, IMO. It is most likely now not worth what is owed on it. A better question is what happened to the 25-30,000 cash they got out of the refinancing.

IMO

IMO

From the link bkwts posted above:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...E?OpenDocument (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/38C8A2705592CEA2862575C6000E2F8E?OpenDocument)

The affair began in November 2008, according to the documents, around the same time Sheri Coleman's family members say her name was mysteriously removed from their house title.

----------------------------------------------------

So, did Sheri KNOW her name was removed, and didn't tell her family? Or was the signature removed thru forgery and Sheri didn't know, therefore didn't tell her family? Did the family just now hear that her name had been removed about that time? Or, did Sheri tell them about that time that her name had been mysteriously removed? I tho't I heard on NG or one of those shows where the signature looked to be hers, according to a document examiner?

There is always the possibility that she signed some papers, going on his explanation of what they were, and her not reading them carefully.

[annalyzer]

It is really hard to believe and it is really hideous to think of how these people fit in to society so easily - how it could be anyone - the person bagging your groceries, your next door neighbor, the man across the street mowing his lawn, the bank teller, the next person asking you for a date. Really horrifically creepy.


Or your spouse or child. There are so many cases of men murdering their wives/SO's but lately there are growing number of cases of women murdering their children, children murdering their parents. Scary.

[Ontario]

I'm thinking of what the alibi could possibly be. To have an alibi suggests there is someone who he either was with, talking to on the phone, or somewhere that has surveillance tapes, like a casino.

I haven't heard if he has said that he was home all night. He just said that he left there at 5:45 and went to the gym.

Do we know if he actually said he checked on his children and wife before he left for the gym? He may have slept on the couch or in a spare room and not with his wife, to have known if she was alive.

IMO.
M.

I believe that his so called alibi and don't forget when he called he was not arrested, and I guess in his sick mind did not think the police would think he was guilty, after so very much thought went into these murders (LOL) his alibi would be he was at the gym, where I am sure he was, and he called the police which we know he did, but we now know that it looks like he killed them about 2 to 3 hours before the police went to the home, he did not plan that part out too well, or shall I say he did not do any research on "How Can The Police Tell Time Of Death!!

One last question, I know that after he had been arrested his parents did not go to the jail to visit him, so we the public were informed by the News Media, but what is that status now, have they gone to visit him and also how are the people in his Father's Church reacting to this?

Any info would be most appreciated friends, to your friends here in Canada!

[Citygirl]

I'll bet LE has already thought to check his phone records to see if he regularly called to see "if the children were up"..

so when he was away from home with his job..did mom get the children up all by herself..of course she did..IMO.

[Amy]

Dirty and disgusting.
Thanx for the link.
As always, these men think with their zipper. These men murder for sex, lust and $$$$$. It is rare they go as far as murdering their children.
Coleman wanted to pretend he had no life until he hooked up with Tara.
I'm wondering if she has been married before and has children.:confused:
Anyone with a link?
JMO


From the same link--the bottom part goes thru Tara's life. She was married, she has no children.

[Amy]

I believe that his so called alibi and don't forget when he called he was not arrested, and I guess in his sick mind did not think the police would think he was guilty, after so very much thought went into these murders (LOL) his alibi would be he was at the gym, where I am sure he was, and he called the police which we know he did, but we now know that it looks like he killed them about 2 to 3 hours before the police went to the home, he did not plan that part out too well, or shall I say he did not do any research on "How Can The Police Tell Time Of Death!!

One last question, I know that after he had been arrested his parents did not go to the jail to visit him, so we the public were informed by the News Media, but what is that status now, have they gone to visit him and also how are the people in his Father's Church reacting to this?

Any info would be most appreciated friends, to your friends here in Canada!

I don't have any links, but in the last several months in cases I have followed, most jails do not allow family members to visit right away, in one case, I think it was 7 days, and it was a CA case.

It is kind of different, in that neither her family nor his family is in the news much. (Refreshing, really, as several of the cases, the families have not done much good for their cause when they are in the news every day.) Either no one is talking to the media---family, church members--or the media is giving them their space.

[Musterion]

I believe that his so called alibi and don't forget when he called he was not arrested, and I guess in his sick mind did not think the police would think he was guilty, after so very much thought went into these murders (LOL) his alibi would be he was at the gym, where I am sure he was, and he called the police which we know he did, but we now know that it looks like he killed them about 2 to 3 hours before the police went to the home, he did not plan that part out too well, or shall I say he did not do any research on "How Can The Police Tell Time Of Death!!

One last question, I know that after he had been arrested his parents did not go to the jail to visit him, so we the public were informed by the News Media, but what is that status now, have they gone to visit him and also how are the people in his Father's Church reacting to this?

Any info would be most appreciated friends, to your friends here in Canada!

Hi Ontario!

That must be what his alibi is.

He was an MP in the military. I am almost certain that he would be trained in assessing a crime scene with murder victims. In that training I believe he would have been schooled in rigor mortis.

That's why I keep wondering if he doesn't have an alibi for earlier than the gym. Unless he just discounted what he knew about rigor mortis, knowing that it is not an exact science in and of itself.

IMO.
M.

[Nellie]

Musterion, I think he was just STUPID as well as EVIL.
I truly think he believed if he was removed from the house when
the bodies were discovered....that his "alibi" would save him.
He's a total idiot....not even a good looking one....what did women even see in him?

And why did that affair begin in November when he's known Tara for years. Did it really just begin in November? Had he always lusted for her? Her for him? Did they always flirt and just act on it in November? I have a hard time thinking he knew her all these years and never moved in before. Maybe he tried and she rejected him. But, for some reason she didn't push him away in November. She's disgusting to be friends with Sheri while she snuck around with her husband. But, HE is more disgusting! I hope he is feeling real betrayed right now by his girlfriend!

[sunstar]

I don't know why all the fuss about Sheri signing the quit claim deed. A couple of posters have explained why this happens. They milked all the equity out of the house, IMO. It is most likely now not worth what is owed on it. A better question is what happened to the 25-30,000 cash they got out of the refinancing.

IMO

IMO

Hi and Happy Saturday! :smile: I'm not sure what all the interest is in that either except the possibility that CC committed yet another crime if he forged her signature on the documents then went and spent the money on his girlfriend. I guess if that's true new charges could be brought but I think it'll be a moot point since he might just be sitting on death row for a triple murder. MOO

[sunstar]

Hi Ontario!

That must be what his alibi is.

He was an MP in the military. I am almost certain that he would be trained in assessing a crime scene with murder victims. In that training I believe he would have been schooled in rigor mortis.

That's why I keep wondering if he doesn't have an alibi for earlier than the gym. Unless he just discounted what he knew about rigor mortis, knowing that it is not an exact science in and of itself.

IMO.
M.
(bolding mine)

Hi! I thought he said he left the house at 5:43am? So that would've put him right at home when the ME says the murders occurred. I just don't think he's very smart and probably thought he could fool LE like so many sociopaths do. Look at another case where a "stellar Marine" is in jail for killing another Marine. He wasn't smart either by having her body buried in his back yard. MOO

[bkwits]

Does it seem odd to anyone else that CC would use the word "alibi" (if he did, as Tara said) to tell his GF that he wasn't home when the murders happened? Wouldn't one say I was at the gym or I wasn't home or something like that. The use of alibi implies guilt IMO.

I think Tara will pay dearly for her involvement with this man(?). The posters on the Tamp Topix board are really saying hateful things about her and publishing her address and all. She will most likely have to testify because I don't think this scum will ever admit what he did.

IMO

[Amy]

(bolding mine)

Hi! I thought he said he left the house at 5:43am? So that would've put him right at home when the ME says the murders occurred. I just don't think he's very smart and probably thought he could fool LE like so many sociopaths do. Look at another case where a "stellar Marine" is in jail for killing another Marine. He wasn't smart either by having her body buried in his back yard. MOO


The news articles said that CC had said (to whom?) that he left about 5:30am. It was LE who said 5:43, I would guess after they had viewed the tapes from the surveillance camera @ the entrance.

[sunstar]

Does it seem odd to anyone else that CC would use the word "alibi" (if he did, as Tara said) to tell his GF that he wasn't home when the murders happened? Wouldn't one say I was at the gym or I wasn't home or something like that. The use of alibi implies guilt IMO.

I think Tara will pay dearly for her involvement with this man(?). The posters on the Tamp Topix board are really saying hateful things about her and publishing her address and all. She will most likely have to testify because I don't think this scum will ever admit what he did.

IMO
The word "alibi" does seem odd except he probably knew he'd be the first suspect and would have to come up with one ~ which he thought he did by going to the gym. Only problem is he didn't go earlier or stay long enough to be believable. MOO

[sunstar]

The news articles said that CC had said (to whom?) that he left about 5:30am. It was LE who said 5:43, I would guess after they had viewed the tapes from the surveillance camera @ the entrance.

Thanks for the correction ~ all I'd remembered was he'd actually gone at 5:43am and forgot his statement was 5:30am. My bad! I do wonder if this gym opens at 6am or is it open earlier? I still can't figure out why he left himself such a narrow window for the "real killer". :shrug: MOO

[Nellie]

Well, he thought he had covered his "small window of time" by indicating the "boogeyman" was watching him always and would know when he left.....so he thought he'd give "enough time" for the boogeyman to be done with the job and then call police. I wonder if he even called home first....he seems dumb enough to forget that small detail.

Also, as far as the alibi....if my family was just murdered, I'd be crying and screaming that I wasn't home to protect them....not telling my girlfriend or anyone else that I had an alibi. Yep, very telling. Even if he no longer loved his wife, you would think a person would love his sons and be beating up on himself for not being home or taking better steps to protect them....not spouting off that he has an alibi. At the point of my children being murdered, I wouldn't even care about MYSELF and some stupid alibi....I'd be devastated!

[bkwits]

Hi and Happy Saturday! :smile: I'm not sure what all the interest is in that either except the possibility that CC committed yet another crime if he forged her signature on the documents then went and spent the money on his girlfriend. I guess if that's true new charges could be brought but I think it'll be a moot point since he might just be sitting on death row for a triple murder. MOO

I believe that Sheri did sign the quit claim deed. The quit claim deed was signed the same day as the paperwork for the new mortgage. And Sheri's signature is on that document as well. It would be difficult for CC to forge her name on the quit claim deed because it must be signed in front of a notary. I had my signature notarized 2 days ago. I had to show a picture ID even though it was at a very small local bank and I have 4 accounts there, so I'm there quite a bit.

I see no particular disadvantage to Sheri for signing the quit claim deed except he might be able to sell the house without her signature. As other posters have mentioned, it was prob for some screwy financing deal. IMO, $230K is prob more than the house is worth in today's market. IMO, the quit claim deed does not benefit CC upon Sheri's death. If the house were still in joint, he would automatically inherit her half interest in the house. Her family would have not claim on the house or personal property.

BTW, I think the airline ticket with Joyce Meyer's name was prob for Tara. IMO.

[sunstar]

Well, he thought he had covered his "small window of time" by indicating the "boogeyman" was watching him always and would know when he left.....so he thought he'd give "enough time" for the boogeyman to be done with the job and then call police. I wonder if he even called home first....he seems dumb enough to forget that small detail.

Also, as far as the alibi....if my family was just murdered, I'd be crying and screaming that I wasn't home to protect them....not telling my girlfriend or anyone else that I had an alibi. Yep, very telling. Even if he no longer loved his wife, you would think a person would love his sons and be beating up on himself for not being home or taking better steps to protect them....not spouting off that he has an alibi. At the point of my children being murdered, I wouldn't even care about MYSELF and some stupid alibi....I'd be devastated!

You're exactly right about the kids! I'm sure any calls home have been tracked through his cell phone, and I think another problem he might have had is if he never had done it before, which I think just might be the case. MOO

[sunstar]

I believe that Sheri did sign the quit claim deed. The quit claim deed was signed the same day as the paperwork for the new mortgage. And Sheri's signature is on that document as well. It would be difficult for CC to forge her name on the quit claim deed because it must be signed in front of a notary. I had my signature notarized 2 days ago. I had to show a picture ID even though it was at a very small local bank and I have 4 accounts there, so I'm there quite a bit.

I see no particular disadvantage to Sheri for signing the quit claim deed except he might be able to sell the house without her signature. As other posters have mentioned, it was prob for some screwy financing deal. IMO, $230K is prob more than the house is worth in today's market. IMO, the quit claim deed does not benefit CC upon Sheri's death. If the house were still in joint, he would automatically inherit her half interest in the house. Her family would have not claim on the house or personal property.

BTW, I think the airline ticket with Joyce Meyer's name was prob for Tara. IMO.

Thanks for explaining it further. Even though we have a house, I'm a little lost on all these deeds and whatnot. I'm just wondering if he tricked Sheri into something, planning even then to get rid of her, just to get a little cash advance for himself to spend on the mistress? MOO

[darcie]

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=176567&catid=3

NewsChannel 5 has obtained additional search warrants and court documents regarding Chris Coleman's Internet and e-mail activities, as relates to this case. (Note: Harsh language is mentioned as part of a direct quote.)

(this link has the search warrants for the email accounts, Grace Church video surveillance,)

[mischiever]

It is impossible to live with someone that long and for them not to have revealed themselves in some way. I'm not saying she would have known he was going to kill her but there were signs that things were not right. If he had divorced her instead of killing her, undoubtedly she would have revealed things she never told anyone. She would have kicked herself for not having seen it, for disregarding it as nothing that time when he.... but no one will ever hear that side of the story now.

[bkwits]

Thanks for explaining it further. Even though we have a house, I'm a little lost on all these deeds and whatnot. I'm just wondering if he tricked Sheri into something, planning even then to get rid of her, just to get a little cash advance for himself to spend on the mistress? MOO

Yes, IMO, he may have tricked her or persuaded her it was a better deal. I wouldn't put anything past him, if he killed his own children and I think he did. LE had said they are looking to find the money from the re fi.

IMO

[sunstar]

Yes, IMO, he may have tricked her or persuaded her it was a better deal. I wouldn't put anything past him, if he killed his own children and I think he did. LE had said they are looking to find the money from the re fi.

IMO

Thanks, bkwits! I'm understanding it a lot better now. :smile:

[Ice Cycle]

I believe that Sheri did sign the quit claim deed. The quit claim deed was signed the same day as the paperwork for the new mortgage. And Sheri's signature is on that document as well. It would be difficult for CC to forge her name on the quit claim deed because it must be signed in front of a notary. I had my signature notarized 2 days ago. I had to show a picture ID even though it was at a very small local bank and I have 4 accounts there, so I'm there quite a bit.

I see no particular disadvantage to Sheri for signing the quit claim deed except he might be able to sell the house without her signature. As other posters have mentioned, it was prob for some screwy financing deal. IMO, $230K is prob more than the house is worth in today's market. IMO, the quit claim deed does not benefit CC upon Sheri's death. If the house were still in joint, he would automatically inherit her half interest in the house. Her family would have not claim on the house or personal property.

BTW, I think the airline ticket with Joyce Meyer's name was prob for Tara. IMO.

Well maybe not at the current moment but it is just odd as I have said before I have seen where the wife is not on the Mortgage but both on the deed. But suppose they cashed out for home improvements which would of raised the appraisal of the house (which would of went up eventually anyway) then it would of been a disadvantage, and besides that it is one more signature. Something that did occur to me, IF he planned this the reason he might not of wanted her on the deed could of been probate reasons. It would be a lot less complicated and time consuming if it was in his name only.

[Nellie]

Wow, that article says that the very first threatening letter he received came in November around the time his affair begain. Now.....isn't that quite a coincidence! Man, did he begin planning this after the first roll around with Tara? Or did he actually already have it in his mind?

I also wonder about this "list of suspect names" that he thought could have been behind these letters...and the fact that he said other employees were getting them too. IF other employees were getting them, he was sending them to them! Man, he sure tried to cover his bases! And now I'm reminded of the stack of letters from convicts in prison to Joyce Meyer found in his basement office....perhaps this is where he got his list of "suspect names" to give the police! He was going to try to lay this on someone behind bars! JMO!

[bkwits]

Well maybe not at the current moment but it is just odd as I have said before I have seen where the wife is not on the Mortgage but both on the deed. But suppose they cashed out for home improvements which would of raised the appraisal of the house (which would of went up eventually anyway) then it would of been a disadvantage, and besides that it is one more signature. Something that did occur to me, IF he planned this the reason he might not of wanted her on the deed could of been probate reasons. It would be a lot less complicated and time consuming if it was in his name only.

Apparently they didn't do it for home improvements because LE is looking for where that money went. There wouldn't be probate with a joint tenancy unless they substanial assets (like a couple of mil). I live in the same state and was widowed 3 1/2 years ago. I automatically got all assets held jointly or where I was named beneficiary. My attorney said I did not even need the will at that point, but we did have wills.

The only advantage I see for him to have her sign the quit claim deed is if he wanted to play around with the financing while she was alive. IINM, in the search warrrents said they did find papers for a line of credit on the house but they were unsigned. I wonder how much they paid for the house. The original mtg was $202K. They bought it in 2005 when the market was strong. It is prob worth less than they paid.

IMO

[bkwits]

Wow, that article says that the very first threatening letter he received came in November around the time his affair begain. Now.....isn't that quite a coincidence! Man, did he begin planning this after the first roll around with Tara? Or did he actually already have it in his mind?

I also wonder about this "list of suspect names" that he thought could have been behind these letters...and the fact that he said other employees were getting them too. IF other employees were getting them, he was sending them to them! Man, he sure tried to cover his bases! And now I'm reminded of the stack of letters from convicts in prison to Joyce Meyer found in his basement office....perhaps this is where he got his list of "suspect names" to give the police! He was going to try to lay this on someone behind bars! JMO!

Some good points, Nellie. Maybe he was tired of the family life and was setting up an exit plan. The affair was a result of wanting out. Who knows what goes through a maniac's mind. He is one of the coldest killers that I've seen. IMO

[Nellie]

I cannot agree with that because it was reported that the threatening letters were put directly into his mailbox. They were not sent through the mail.

imo

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't insinuating that anyone MAILED the letters. He had a bunch of letters that were written to Joyce Meyer from prison. Then he claimed he was receiving threatening letters (placed in his mailbox). Then he told police he had a list of names of people who may have been doing the threatening letters....makes sense that the list could have been these prisoners. NO? Not sure how he planned to explain how a prisoner placed them in his box if they were in prison....or how they could have been watching his every move from prison. I don't know...I was just thinking out loud.....I guess I was just curious who he was telling LE could be putting those letters in his mailbox. Maybe he was just using their names. Who else would he list for LE? Co-workers?

[Topher]

I'm thinking that the scratches on CC's arm are either defensive wounds from Sheri, or his getting scratched while removing the screen. So, if his blood is under Sheri's fingernails, or on the screen, he'd better not go to trial, and let his attorney work for a plea that takes the death penalty off the table (even though there's currently a moritorium on executions). Because, a jury will not believe any defense attorney who'll claim that his scratches and his blood under Sheri's fingernails were the result of her liking rough sex, or that his blood on the screen was from a previous incident. If forensics does not find any of the above, I still think that the timeline, the neighbors hearing the screams, and the mistress' testmony including the CC's ludicrous statement to her "I have an alibi," and other forensic evidence which we have not heard about yet (we still don't know if CC's DNA is in the paint stained glove), will never allow him to walk on this...

[Amy]

I cannot agree with that because it was reported that the threatening letters were put directly into his mailbox. They were not sent through the mail.

imo

I wonder if any other employees actually received letters, and I am sure LE has checked this out by now. And, if they did, were they in the mail, or was he able to get to their homes undetected to put them in their mailboxes? If the other letters (if there were any) were sent differently than the ones he received, that's not a good sign, either. Or, if they were put into any kind of mailbox @ the ministries (such as, we each have a "box" in our break room for communications) that would be differently than how he received his.

I'm kinda curious about whether or not anyone else really did receive letters.

[Amy]

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't insinuating that anyone MAILED the letters. He had a bunch of letters that were written to Joyce Meyer from prison. Then he claimed he was receiving threatening letters (placed in his mailbox). Then he told police he had a list of names of people who may have been doing the threatening letters....makes sense that the list could have been these prisoners. NO? Not sure how he planned to explain how a prisoner placed them in his box if they were in prison....or how they could have been watching his every move from prison. I don't know...I was just thinking out loud.....I guess I was just curious who he was telling LE could be putting those letters in his mailbox. Maybe he was just using their names. Who else would he list for LE? Co-workers?

It would depend on how long ago these letters were sent to JM? Maybe some of the prisoners have since been paroled or their sentence up? If he had any way of tracking that, he could give the names of those no longer in prison.

I missed the find of the letters to JM--were they threatening letters, or just letters? TIA

[~jomomma~]

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=176567&catid=3

NewsChannel 5 has obtained additional search warrants and court documents regarding Chris Coleman's Internet and e-mail activities, as relates to this case. (Note: Harsh language is mentioned as part of a direct quote.)

(this link has the search warrants for the email accounts, Grace Church video surveillance,)

thanks darcie!

hi all! i got back yesterday from Joyce Meyer conference in Columbus OH. it was awesome.

i missed a few days of news but watched NG last night and heard there was some orange(?) twine rope found in the roadside search that was like some found at the home around bails of straw in the coleman backyard? wow.....

i've got alot of catching up to do on this case. oh, also, something about a receipt for paint? :huh:

[~jomomma~]

were there scratches on chris' arms? :ohmy:

[Nellie]

It would depend on how long ago these letters were sent to JM? Maybe some of the prisoners have since been paroled or their sentence up? If he had any way of tracking that, he could give the names of those no longer in prison.

I missed the find of the letters to JM--were they threatening letters, or just letters? TIA

IIRC, the article said the police found a box of letters from prisoners addressed to Joyce Meyer in his office in the basement. I took it to mean letters for ministry....not threatening letters. They didn't really specify though. They just left me curious about them.

[Nellie]

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=176567&catid=3

NewsChannel 5 has obtained additional search warrants and court documents regarding Chris Coleman's Internet and e-mail activities, as relates to this case. (Note: Harsh language is mentioned as part of a direct quote.)

(this link has the search warrants for the email accounts, Grace Church video surveillance,)

Ohhhhh....in reading the search warrant for the Grace Church video surveilance, I had missed this!

The very first threat to Coleman was on November 18 and was an
email threat! The others (Jan and April) were put in his mailbox! I certainly do find it interesting that the first one was via email and came right at the time he started his affair with Tara.

[Nellie]

I think I'm confused. Is it a typo in this article?

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=176567&catid=3

About Chris planning to leave Sherri by June 14th, 2008? Was that reported by the Lintz woman? That would imply that the affair started long before the threatening mystery letters.

It's still early so don't be too harsh if I'm completely off-base!

It certainly says that, but I think it's a misprint.
Obviously he didn't divorce her June 2008 and it says he "planned to".....I think they meant 2009. Good catch though!

[sunstar]

It would depend on how long ago these letters were sent to JM? Maybe some of the prisoners have since been paroled or their sentence up? If he had any way of tracking that, he could give the names of those no longer in prison.

I missed the find of the letters to JM--were they threatening letters, or just letters? TIA

I missed that too, but I'd think the letters from prisoners were maybe for materials the ministry could send them, or supporting her ~ you know, from those who find religion while behind bars. If that's the case, it's really sad if he kept them and the ministry never got the letters. MOO

[sunstar]

thanks darcie!

hi all! i got back yesterday from Joyce Meyer conference in Columbus OH. it was awesome.

i missed a few days of news but watched NG last night and heard there was some orange(?) twine rope found in the roadside search that was like some found at the home around bails of straw in the coleman backyard? wow.....

i've got alot of catching up to do on this case. oh, also, something about a receipt for paint? :huh:

Hi and welcome back! Yes, they found the receipt but it was old, not something he'd just purchased right before the murders.

[~jomomma~]

I missed that too, but I'd think the letters from prisoners were maybe for materials the ministry could send them, or supporting her ~ you know, from those who find religion while behind bars. If that's the case, it's really sad if he kept them and the ministry never got the letters. MOO

hmmm, one thing JMM does is takes 'packets' to prisoners. maybe they sent letters to her, thanking her.

[Amy]

Ohhhhh....in reading the search warrant for the Grace Church video surveilance, I had missed this!

The very first threat to Coleman was on November 18 and was an
email threat! The others (Jan and April) were put in his mailbox! I certainly do find it interesting that the first one was via email and came right at the time he started his affair with Tara.

Not computer literate here, but wouldn't the email be traceable?

[Amy]

I think I'm confused. Is it a typo in this article?

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=176567&catid=3

About Chris planning to leave Sherri by June 14th, 2008? Was that reported by the Lintz woman? That would imply that the affair started long before the threatening mystery letters.

It's still early so don't be too harsh if I'm completely off-base!

I noticed that, too. I do remember reading it the other day, don't know if it was the same article or not. Surely they meant 2009, or there would have been more pressure on him when the 2008 date came and went w/out there being a divorce or even a separation. IMO

[Amy]

I missed that too, but I'd think the letters from prisoners were maybe for materials the ministry could send them, or supporting her ~ you know, from those who find religion while behind bars. If that's the case, it's really sad if he kept them and the ministry never got the letters. MOO

IMO, it would be rather odd that the letters would be in his house as I am sure there are facilities @ the ministry compound where this type of thing would be stored.

[Ice Cycle]

Hi and welcome back! Yes, they found the receipt but it was old, not something he'd just purchased right before the murders.

You know all along I like most have been thinking if he did this that is was premeditated way before. But I now wonder if it is possible that he just used the situation meaning maybe he was actually getting the treats but it was just some kook who did not like JM but would not of followed through and or he (CC) just added to it with the mailbox letter threats. Plus the paint and twine could of already been there and just bought for other reasons. In other words a shorter premeditation, weeks, days or even hours.

[sunstar]

hmmm, one thing JMM does is takes 'packets' to prisoners. maybe they sent letters to her, thanking her.

Yes, that's what I was thinking of too. :smile:

[sunstar]

IMO, it would be rather odd that the letters would be in his house as I am sure there are facilities @ the ministry compound where this type of thing would be stored.

Oh I definitely think it's odd that the letters were in his house and can't really think of an explanation other than him trying to collect names for his own use ~ like saying one of them who may have been recently released was sending the threats? :shrug:

[sunstar]

You know all along I like most have been thinking if he did this that is was premeditated way before. But I now wonder if it is possible that he just used the situation meaning maybe he was actually getting the treats but it was just some kook who did not like JM but would not of followed through and or he (CC) just added to it with the mailbox letter threats. Plus the paint and twine could of already been there and just bought for other reasons. In other words a shorter premeditation, weeks, days or even hours.

I think he planned the murders but maybe not for that morning until something (what, I don't know) happened and he covered up with the spray painted messages supposedly from the person who had been sending the threats. What doesn't seem planned is what he did afterward, like only being gone for an hour before calling for a "welfare check" and disposing of evidence alongside the road where it was so easily found by LE. MOO

[Ice Cycle]

I think he planned the murders but maybe not for that morning until something (what, I don't know) happened and he covered up with the spray painted messages supposedly from the person who had been sending the threats. What doesn't seem planned is what he did afterward, like only being gone for an hour before calling for a "welfare check" and disposing of evidence alongside the road where it was so easily found by LE. MOO

Well this is one of the reasons I think maybe it could of been just planned say the day before, or either he put it there to make it appear like what someone else would do. Just can't seem to get past that, plus including his son's.

[bkwits]

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When u sign a quick claim, u r giving up your rights to the property. Whey would she do that


I don't know why she would do that. I was just saying that I think she actually did sign the quit claim and her signature was not forged, IMO.

I don't see any advantage to CC in having the QC deed except that he possibly good get another loan against the house without her signature. At this point in time, I don't think there is any equity in the house. IMO, it is mortgaged to the hilt.

Somewhere in the LE s/w's it says that unsigned financing papers were found that involved a line of credit on the house. Maybe he tried but couldn't borrow any more.

JMO

[sunstar]

Coleman also had his cell phone with him which takes LE directly to where he was and the path that he took that morning.
I think he panicked shortly after and that's why he called so quickly after the Incident. He had only been gone for an hour or so and he lied about when he left.
Since he was head of security he may say he took the box of letters to read them and see if he could come across any threatening letter to JM. He also reported that other employees were receiving threatening letters, too. That would sound feasible since he was security. No?:confused:
JMO
It's possible about the letters, assuming they'd already been gone through at the ministry HQ to pick out the ones where the inmates wanted materials, or thanks to JM for the inmate finding religion. As for the day of the murders, I think he headed off to the gym for his "alibi", maybe had his workout, then couldn't think of anyplace else to go so called for the welfare check. Maybe he was basing his time away from home on how long it actually took him to commit the murders and spray paint the house? :shrug: MOO

[sunstar]

I don't know why she would do that. I was just saying that I think she actually did sign the quit claim and her signature was not forged, IMO.

I don't see any advantage to CC in having the QC deed except that he possibly good get another loan against the house without her signature. At this point in time, I don't think there is any equity in the house. IMO, it is mortgaged to the hilt.

Somewhere in the LE s/w's it says that unsigned financing papers were found that involved a line of credit on the house. Maybe he tried but couldn't borrow any more.

JMO

Maybe if he was planning on getting rid of Sheri and the kids and being with the mistress, maybe moving to Florida, he didn't care what happened to the house and was just going to let it go into foreclosure ~ after he got the re-finance and some extra cash last winter? MOO

[darcie]

Just doing a drive by...been a busy weekend, but I was hoping someone posted this. If so, sorry for the double post...if not, it warms the heart. Bless these kids, and the town of Columbia for having such wonderful hearts.



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/29942D3163508B18862575C700007A9D?OpenDocument

Boys hold garage sale to help remember Coleman boys


COLUMBIA, ILL. — Standing inside their garage in the Pines subdivision, Jeff and Robbie Repasz watched as person after person walked up and handed them money. A check for $250. A hundred-dollar bill. A handful of ones.

By 8 a.m. they had already met their goal: $500. By the end of the day, they had raised $4,903.73.

[NatalieB]

I think he planned the murders but maybe not for that morning until something (what, I don't know) happened and he covered up with the spray painted messages supposedly from the person who had been sending the threats. What doesn't seem planned is what he did afterward, like only being gone for an hour before calling for a "welfare check" and disposing of evidence alongside the road where it was so easily found by LE. MOO

I can easily see the point that you're making, but this guy just doesn't think like a normal person. Time and time again, sociopaths show us this. They just think their stupid stories are believable. As for the glove, I'd bet my last dollar that he never in a million years even considered anyone would be out looking for them where they were disposed of.

The purchase of the paint and gloves. The lies to the mistress, especially that they'd marry in early 2010, and the threatening letters (which were hand delivered, and typed) show that he'd been thinking about this for some time. Now, he may have decided that night that he was going to put the plan into motion. Maybe something did happen to set it off for that particular night, but I'm convinced he'd been planning it for quite some time.

[sunstar]

I can easily see the point that you're making, but this guy just doesn't think like a normal person. Time and time again, sociopaths show us this. They just think their stupid stories are believable. As for the glove, I'd bet my last dollar that he never in a million years even considered anyone would be out looking for them where they were disposed of.

The purchase of the paint and gloves. The lies to the mistress, especially that they'd marry in early 2010, and the threatening letters (which were hand delivered, and typed) show that he'd been thinking about this for some time. Now, he may have decided that night that he was going to put the plan into motion. Maybe something did happen to set it off for that particular night, but I'm convinced he'd been planning it for quite some time.

The only thing I can really put my mind around is he thought he'd be believed by LE, they'd look in another direction and never look at an ex-Marine and head of security for JMM as a suspect in killing his wife and sons. Totally sociopathic, imo.

[kellabeck]

Talk radio show tonight 10pm E to discuss DrewP and ChrisC--

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/LeviPage/2009/06/01/The-Levi-Page-Show

Sarena Straus the author of "Bronx D.A.: True Stories from the Sex Crimes and Domestic Violence Unit" and reporter Joseph Hosey author of "Fatal Vows: The Tragic Wives of Sergeant Drew Peterson" discuss the latest shocking crimes of Drew Peterson and Christopher Coleman, two husbands suspected of murdering their wives.

The link provides a call-in number as well.