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?noanswer

05-27-2009, 08:08 AM

This news article was posted on the Breaking News thread this morning. Given some of the posts I've seen on the daily threads for HaLeigh, I've brought it here.

The relevant portion starts with the statements from Robert Cox, starting about 2/3's of the way down the article.

BLOGGER JAILED
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6442644.html

Maybe this will make other posters stop & think before they malign other people. I was thinking last night about the posters who purposefully try to get the thread shut down by posting outrageous things. I was thinking about the woman in St. Louis who was charged with a crime because she posed as someone else and contacted a young girl, who later committed suicide when she found out the hoax. I had not heard about this case before. Off topic I know, but I see posters do that every night on this board. They get banned, but just come back with another nic. JMO

Scampi

05-27-2009, 08:11 AM

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 08:18 AM

carlybarly

05-27-2009, 08:39 AM

Scampi

05-27-2009, 08:39 AM

Thank you, Texas, for starting the thread for today. Thank you, Pat, for posting that article, it is very sobering, but a reminder to us all the everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and, in Haleigh's case, no one has even been charged yet.

I hope each and every one of us posting today will begin the day with a few seconds of silence, and remember, there is a little girl missing here, for almost four months now, and pray for the family that is waiting for her to come home.

Hoping for news today! Prayers for little Haleigh, wherever she is, may the truth be revealed soon so she can be brought home.

This is true Madame, no one has been charged. But, the Satsuma police have voiced their displeasure over the timeline that misty gave them and which ronald backs up.

IMO, they both should be asked to return and work with LE in clearing up the timeline. ASAP. If they do that, I believe it would help in the suspicion that so many people have about them.

carlybarly

05-27-2009, 08:40 AM

Except for the ac man!!!:w00t:

Good morning!

LOL Only because nothing was released about him, he got really lucky!

Scampi

05-27-2009, 08:43 AM

Brings to mind the terrible things said about the Father of Haleigh Cummigs also. I agree with the others, no one was spared in this section and it is a shame. But I seriously doubt it will stop some, sadly.

Hoping we get some news today on Haleigh!

Actually, as the person closest to Haleigh at the time of her disappearance, besides misty, and the fact that LE has been unable to rule him out, I can understand why many people have suspicions about him. imo.

lizzard

05-27-2009, 08:44 AM

Good morning all :seeya:

Thank you, Texas48 for the thread.

Prayers for Haleigh's safe return today. :rose:

sydney

05-27-2009, 08:49 AM

good morning, everyone. just a quick thought before i have to go to work.

in reading the boards (especially in the afternoon and evening), i see the frustration and sometimes anger expressed by all of us posters (perfect strangers to these families) because of the lack of progress in this case, directed at the various family members and even at fellow posters. in looking at this, i have to ask myself - if what we are feeling is that strong, can you just imagine the magnitude of what i am sure are the same frustration and anger these families are feeling because no one has found haleigh yet? add to that the fact that their very personal lives have become grist for the rumor mills - admittedly, partly because of their own doings but mostly, i believe, because of the individuals who said they would help find this child and only succeeded in taking advantage of an awful situation for whatever their reasons were.

my prayer is that the families come together to find haleigh and that she be found safe and sound. these other disputes can be resolved afterwards, in private, as they should be.

carlybarly

05-27-2009, 08:49 AM

This is true Madame, no one has been charged. But, the Satsuma police have voiced their displeasure over the timeline that misty gave them and which ronald backs up.

IMO, they both should be asked to return and work with LE in clearing up the timeline. ASAP. If they do that, I believe it would help in the suspicion that so many people have about them.

I agree, a cleaning up of the timeline is definitely needed!

Actually, as the person closest to Haleigh at the time of her disappearance, besides misty, and the fact that LE has been unable to rule him out, I can understand why many people have suspicions about him. imo.

People can have their suspicions without being horrible as some have been about Ron on here. Calling him scum as well as many other accusations which they mask as opinions. I can understand why some may suspect him (although at this point I don't), I don't however understand how they can constantly bash him and accuse him of things just because it is "their opinion".

Pat

05-27-2009, 08:57 AM

Scampi

05-27-2009, 08:59 AM

I agree, a cleaning up of the timeline is definitely needed!

People can have their suspicions without being horrible as some have been about Ron on here. Calling him scum as well as many other accusations which they mask as opinions. I can understand why some may suspect him (although at this point I don't), I don't however understand how they can constantly bash him and accuse him of things just because it is "their opinion".

I believe that much of the bad reputation that ronald cummings has, comes from his own actions and inactions, discussed here ad nauseum. Unless and until he is seen as actually doing something constructive in the search for his missing daughter, I think those bad feelings about him will continue.

IMO, he can begin by escorting misty down to LE headquarters and urging her to cooperate with the police in clearing up the timeline.

Peaches

05-27-2009, 09:00 AM

I agree, a cleaning up of the timeline is definitely needed!

People can have their suspicions without being horrible as some have been about Ron on here. Calling him scum as well as many other accusations which they mask as opinions. I can understand why some may suspect him (although at this point I don't), I don't however understand how they can constantly bash him and accuse him of things just because it is "their opinion".

ITA..............with you post.

Facts:

We know who was taking care of HaLeigh and that was her dad and Misty.

We know that her mother saw her about 4 days a month.

I do not for one minute believe Ron hurt his daughter. Although Crystal did not spend much time with her child, I do not think she would hurt her either. That's just me and it is MOO

sydney

05-27-2009, 09:01 AM

Does "close to the family" people like Nay Nay and Amber, or do they mean people who wouldn't harm HaLeigh because she is a relative?

HaLeigh may not have made noise because she knew who took her.

:laugh:

snipped by me. i have asked that same question - does "not a stranger" mean anyone in the extended family, neighbors who may have visited, etc.?

i also have thought that haleigh didn't make a noise because she knew the person.

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 09:03 AM

Cobra has said he thinks HaLeigh is alive and a lot of LE on the case feel that way as well. LE has also said they think someone close to the family took her.

Does "close to the family" people like Nay Nay and Amber, or do they mean people who wouldn't harm HaLeigh because she is a relative?

HaLeigh may not have made noise because she knew who took her.

Cobra says there was never a man in black.

LE says Cobra never told them anything they didn't already know.

At least Cobra gives us something relevant to the case to discuss, sometimes. :laugh:

Bolding mine.

It may be relevant, but how much truth is there in what he says. Wonder if he will continue in his quest. He supposedly was out of funds to support his 5 families before he was charged. Now he has to hire an attorney to defend him.

Please, anyone, if you have Haleigh, please let her come home safe.

Custody and other issues can be resolved after she is safe. JMO

lizzard

05-27-2009, 09:05 AM

Cobra has said he thinks HaLeigh is alive and a lot of LE on the case feel that way as well. LE has also said they think someone close to the family took her.

Does "close to the family" people like Nay Nay and Amber, or do they mean people who wouldn't harm HaLeigh because she is a relative?

HaLeigh may not have made noise because she knew who took her.

Cobra says there was never a man in black.

LE says Cobra never told them anything they didn't already know.

At least Cobra gives us something relevant to the case to discuss, sometimes. :laugh:

My take on "close to the family" is a relative or close friend of a relative. Maybe wishful thinking, that would probably mean she is still alive.

Cobra makes me laugh, he's good for entertainment value, but not much else, imo.

JMO

eta Misty needs to be brought in to spill exactly where she was, fear of reprisal or not. I do not believe she or Ron harmed Haleigh, but she's got something to tell and she needs to tell it NOW!!

jmo

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 09:07 AM

I believe that much of the bad reputation that ronald cummings has, comes from his own actions and inactions, discussed here ad nauseum. Unless and until he is seen as actually doing something constructive in the search for his missing daughter, I think those bad feelings about him will continue.

IMO, he can begin by escorting misty down to LE headquarters and urging her to cooperate with the police in clearing up the timeline.

Since LE has not said anything lately and Misty has been questioned at least 10 times, maybe LE does have a better idea of the timeline.

O/T Did anyone hear about the persons that got into the Queen of England's abode. I know they paid off one security guard, but one would think there were more than one guard and other measures used to keep the Queen safe.

JMO

FrankieBones1

05-27-2009, 09:09 AM

Haleigh Marie Cummings
:wub:

Thanks for starting the new thread for today. Hope she is found soon.

FrankieBones1

05-27-2009, 09:12 AM

ITA..............with you post.

Facts:

We know who was taking care of HaLeigh and that was her dad and Misty.

We know that her mother saw her about 4 days a month.

I do not for one minute believe Ron hurt his daughter. Although Crystal did not spend much time with her child, I do not think she would hurt her either. That's just me and it is MOO
I don't think either parent was involved. It's still my contention that she was taken by an S.O. Too bad LE had so many bad leads from the beginning. Maybe if Misty had kept her timeline/story straight and honest, LE would have had half a chance.

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 09:17 AM

That is certainly a possibility but little Jessica Lunsford didn't make a sound either because John Couey threatened to kill her family if she did so that is another possibility.

I don't recall Couey ever threatening Jessica to get her out of the house. Was that in the trial transcripts?

The only thing I recall is that he woke her up and told her he was taking her to see her dad. (Mark Lunsford had left the home that evening to visit his girlfriend and had admittedly left the front door unlocked.)

If you have a link to the threats, I sure would like to see it because for the life of me, I don't recall that at all.

TIA

CANDYKISSES

05-27-2009, 09:28 AM

Thank you for posting that information Pat. Virgie Arthur iniated a civil action against bloggers saying terrible things about her as the Mother of ANS. Brings to mind the terrible things said about the Mother of Haleigh Cummings, Crystal Sheffield, right on this board. I hope people heed this article as a warning. imo.

I hope you didn't forget about all the awful things put out there about the Cummings family as they were the real caretakers of Haleigh and have been walking targets IMO. Ron Cummings doesn't even have a social networking account from what I see, but yet he is still the subject of such vitriol based on many unconfirmed accusations on the web IMO.

It reminds me of a post I read while perusing the Caylee forum; someone hoping for identification on an anonymous couple trying to financially help the Anthony family. I can't imagine why someone would be waiting for the chance to find out who they are. It's all but frightening when you think about what goes on in the background of these cases by anonymous posters IMHO.

Then people don't understand how tragedies like the myspace suicides happen after harassment. JUST WOW.......:sad:

Praying for someone to come forward with information leading to Haleigh coming home. :wub: JMO

Scampi

05-27-2009, 09:38 AM

I hope you didn't forget about all the awful things put out there about the Cummings family as they were the real caretakers of Haleigh and have been walking targets IMO. Ron Cummings doesn't even have a social networking account from what I see, but yet he is still the subject of such vitriol based on many unconfirmed accusations on the web IMO.

It reminds me of a post I read while perusing the Caylee forum; someone hoping for identification on an anonymous couple trying to financially help the Anthony family. I can't imagine why someone would be waiting for the chance to find out who they are. It's all but frightening when you think about what goes on in the background of these cases by anonymous posters IMHO.

Then people don't understand how tragedies like the myspace suicides happen after harassment. JUST WOW.......:sad:

Praying for someone to come forward with information leading to Haleigh coming home. :wub: JMO

In the Caylee Anthony case, even the Judge was interested in who was funding the defense of casey anthony, it has been an ongoing point in that case and now in the civil litigation also.

People will always discuss negatively, the inner circle of a missing child, imo. Especially one who has the history ronald cummings does, imo.

CANDYKISSES

05-27-2009, 09:38 AM

I don't think either parent was involved. It's still my contention that she was taken by an S.O. Too bad LE had so many bad leads from the beginning. Maybe if Misty had kept her timeline/story straight and honest, LE would have had half a chance.

I pretty much agree with that Frankie, but one of the things LE was honest about concerned women calling in false leads on their ex's for various reasons.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/15/amber_alert__haleigh_search_continues_family_puts_ aside_feud.html

So, it was not just Misty and the allegations of inconsistencies. We may find that Haleigh was truly abducted by a predator IMO. Given that LE has not solved this case and charged anyone, it still remains open as far as I can see.

What's really tragic is what has transpired since various entities have interjected themselves into the case if you ask me. :sad: ALL JMOOC. :sad:

Scampi

05-27-2009, 09:43 AM

I don't think either parent was involved. It's still my contention that she was taken by an S.O. Too bad LE had so many bad leads from the beginning. Maybe if Misty had kept her timeline/story straight and honest, LE would have had half a chance.

Hiya Frankie!! I don't believe for a second Haleigh was taken by a SO. If anyone in the family took her, I think it's because they saw she was being abused in that trailer and took her to save her from that, but that is a long shot.

Unfortunately, I have to go with the statistically viable conclusion that Haleigh is no longer alive.

FrankieBones1

05-27-2009, 09:45 AM

I pretty much agree with that Frankie, but one of the things LE was honest about concerned women calling in false leads on their ex's for various reasons.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/15/amber_alert__haleigh_search_continues_family_puts_ aside_feud.html

So, it was not just Misty and the allegations of inconsistencies. We may find that Haleigh was truly abducted by a predator IMO. Given that LE has not solved this case and charged anyone, it still remains open as far as I can see.

What's really tragic is what has transpired since various entities have interjected themselves into the case if you ask me. :sad: ALL JMOOC. :sad:
To exact revenge or their fifteen minutes of fame? Yup. Don't they realize how much they can muck up a case?

CANDYKISSES

05-27-2009, 09:45 AM

In the Caylee Anthony case, even the Judge was interested in who was funding the defense of casey anthony, it has been an ongoing point in that case and now in the civil litigation also.

People will always discuss negatively, the inner circle of a missing child, imo. Especially one who has the history ronald cummings does, imo.

Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield both come with some pretty saucy history and neither one has lived up to providing for the children to the best of their abilities IMO.

I stand on my opinion concerning the anonymous bloggers/posters serving as a hindrance to LE and sometimes to the actual outcome of a case as in the myspace and sexting suicides. JMO :crying:

FrankieBones1

05-27-2009, 09:47 AM

I also am leaning towards an SO, maybe one not yet caught and registered, but one who knew someone in the family, or a friend/friends of someone in the family.

I do not think either parent is guilty in Haleigh's disappearance. I do think Misty (and Ron, by association and as support for his wife) should actually go thru the events of that evening with LE another time, or over and over again, if need be.

I agree. But why would LE wait so long to have them in for questioning?
Could they have bugged their tent or vehicles?

Scampi

05-27-2009, 09:47 AM

Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield both come with some pretty saucy history and neither one has lived up to providing for the children to the best of their abilities IMO.

I stand on my opinion concerning the anonymous bloggers/posters serving as a hindrance to LE and sometimes to the actual outcome of a case as in the myspace and sexting suicides. JMO :crying:

Will this opinion stop you from posting with us?

CANDYKISSES

05-27-2009, 09:50 AM

To exact revenge or their fifteen minutes of fame? Yup. Don't they realize how much they can muck up a case?

I don't know Frankie. I was beyond appalled to see that and hope none of the $164,000 the county received for help on this case is used for that kind of business.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/05/27/news/news01.txt

Shame on the lot of them and I look forward to a day when these people are held accountable for their actions. JMO.

CANDYKISSES

05-27-2009, 09:56 AM

Will this opinion stop you from posting with us?

Why should it stop me from posting anywhere? :confused:

I continue to hope for Haleigh to be found and have not decided a case that LE has not even finalized their work on IMO. :ohmy:

FrankieBones1

05-27-2009, 10:03 AM

FrankieBones1

05-27-2009, 10:04 AM

I'd definitely go with revenge.Thanks, I think you're right.

2boysMom

05-27-2009, 10:04 AM

If LE has stated that they believe someone close to the family took Haleigh, that means immediate family is excluded. Therefore LE does not believe Crystal or Ron are involved. Hopefully this will convince some people to stop bashing either of them.

Scampi

05-27-2009, 10:12 AM

Why should it stop me from posting anywhere? :confused:

I continue to hope for Haleigh to be found and have not decided a case that LE has not even finalized their work on IMO. :ohmy:

Okay, just checking.

lizzard

05-27-2009, 10:31 AM

Why should it stop me from posting anywhere? :confused:

I continue to hope for Haleigh to be found and have not decided a case that LE has not even finalized their work on IMO. :ohmy:

CK, your voice of reason always shines through, no matter what. :thumbsup: I look forward to your posts.

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 11:15 AM

I think police unofficially cleared Ron when they confirmed his alibi and that they were satisfied with his account of the hours in question. I don't believe the hours in question are the hours he was at work but are the hours between 7pm and 3am.

But don't forget they added in the part (paraphrased) "but we don't know what happened to Haleigh, nor what time it happened".

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 11:18 AM

The majority of what is posted about Crystal comes straight from her own words in court documents.

The majority of what is posted about Ron is made up from his "actions".

IMO there is a world of difference between what is said about her and what is said about him. As late as last night people were posting that the ring that Teresa said was handed down was bought with donation money, the tattoo that was donated was bought with donation money, beer and cigarettes were bought with money meant to search for Haleigh even though the donation money handled by Watts funeral home was designated for living expenses and not for searching for Haleigh.

IMO the people posting about Ron have far more to worry about then people posting about Crystal. "The truth is an absolute defense" and her own words back up what has been said about her.

In my opinion, there is a world of difference between Crystal's words of 2005 and Ron's actions of 2009.

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 11:27 AM

Pat

05-27-2009, 11:51 AM

This blogger you speak of; does he consider himself a journalist? Did he used to fill in for Nancy Grace on HLN?

I don't know if she is speaking about AH or not. I don't know when he involved himself in the case.

What I do know is that personally saw posts on a number of sites where posters where bragging about calling LE to make sure they were aware of the accusations in the rumors being spread. They were fanning the flames and the glee in the tone of the posts are rather like what I see on the HaLeigh thread at night.

I quit reading other sites for news and only briefly look in here because of the emotive language used by some posters to get their point across...in every post they write.

If this is what LE had to deal with, it is little wonder they were undermanned, under-staffed and perhaps got bogged down having chase every worthless rumor and missed something important.

Pat

05-27-2009, 11:56 AM

IIRC there was a poster and I can't recall the name. The poster's theory was an interesting one and worth repeating
Theory about an unknown SO. One that has yet to be discovered. Maybe lived/lives in the area. I recall at another message board one poster called it a closet SO. that is the reason this theory has stayed with me.
all my thoughts and my opinions

A SO doesn't get labeled and monitored until they get caught. It is entirely possible there is more than one floating around in the area who isn't in the system. How often do these SO's turn out to be a "funny uncle" or a grandfather, or a family friend...and not a perfect stranger?

sydney

05-27-2009, 12:07 PM

If a person knows you, you are not a stranger. IMO

that made me laugh - d'uh on me!:rolleyes:

lizzard

05-27-2009, 12:08 PM

I do take into consideration what LE has stated. I also believe in a round about way this was LE clearing Haleigh's father Ron.
Misty is a young woman and seems not so worldly IMO but does not make her the responsible party for Haleigh being taken from their home IMO. Many children are kidnapped from their homes in the middle of the night with parents or grandparents close by. From what I have read and keep seeing is many believe Misty should go back to LE and tell the truth. My thoughts are "maybe she is telling the truth" and just has no way of adding more to what happened the night/morning in question. Or can it be possible Misty can't recall any further information to give to LE.
Maybe if all would try and look at all the information and try and see a different view instead of only thinking one thought or one to blame.

As I have said I may not agree with Ron and Misty's lifestyle but I can't judge them for that alone.
I may not agree with Crystal's and Chad's lifestyle but I can't judge them for that alone.
I keep my focus on Haleigh and those that love her and those that she loved.
my bold

I believe this is the problem. I don't think Misty was home the entire evening and is afraid to say so. IF drugs were involved, she may not remember. If this is the case, she has to come clean about it.

IMO

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 12:13 PM

I don't know if she is speaking about AH or not. I don't know when he involved himself in the case.

What I do know is that personally saw posts on a number of sites where posters where bragging about calling LE to make sure they were aware of the accusations in the rumors being spread. They were fanning the flames and the glee in the tone of the posts are rather like what I see on the HaLeigh thread at night.

I quit reading other sites for news and only briefly look in here because of the emotive language used by some posters to get their point across...in every post they write.

If this is what LE had to deal with, it is little wonder they were undermanned, under-staffed and perhaps got bogged down having chase every worthless rumor and missed something important.

o/t Did you see the Judge on one of the hearings for Zanny? He mentioned he had received correspondence from people. He did not seem too happy about it. Said it was not appropiate. Course I guess contacting LE is a little different than contacting a Judge.

sydney

05-27-2009, 12:31 PM

Sorry sydney, just getting my first cup of coffee and having a bad sinus day. I wasn't being a smart a** but, it did come out like that. I will try again after I finish my coffee. I do hope it made you laugh, laughing is good...bam

no problem. it did make me laugh - made me think of the saying "it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

lizzard

05-27-2009, 12:46 PM

I'm kind of leaning that way, too, didn't someone say a while back that if she was gone when Haleigh was taken she could be charged with endangerment or something? That might be what this is all about, her not being home and afraid to say it because she will be charged, although not directly charged with the disappearance. It makes sense to me......today, anyway

Exactly, my brain is getting rug burn from flipping back and forth! I wonder if they could give her immunity, only on that charge, if she would come clean?

MrLucky917B

05-27-2009, 12:56 PM

I have been thinking about the AC repairman. I know,LE says he has been cleared, still, it is such a quinky dink Haleigh disappeared that night.
In mobile homes that has central heating and air,they have what is called a air handler, I believe is the term used, it is a opening large enough for anyone to go under the house and come inside. I am wondering if LE did any kind of forensics under the trailer or inside this air handler? Just a thought that has been on my mind.

Most mobile homes have a crawl space under the structure for ac/heat, electric, telephone, water etc. In a home that old it would be a nasty place and the opening from the crawspace to the home is not that large.

JMO

lizzard

05-27-2009, 01:11 PM

They could and I don't know why they haven't, on the other hand, if,,,, she was home...:confused:

And there, as they say, is the rub. :shrug:

IMO

Mel

05-27-2009, 01:33 PM

In my opinion, there is a world of difference between Crystal's words of 2005 and Ron's actions of 2009.

you can say that again!

MrLucky917B

05-27-2009, 01:37 PM

But a person COULD fit thru it????

They would have to take off the duct to it first and it would be a tight fit (probably make alot of noise also)

CANDYKISSES

05-27-2009, 01:39 PM

This blogger you speak of; does he consider himself a journalist? Did he used to fill in for Nancy Grace on HLN?

Sorry I didn't respond right away, I had to step out.

Frankie, I wasn't referencing anyone in particular. Coincidentally Art is involved in both cases, but his best work isn't shining through here because of all the distractions IMOO. I had initially responded to a post concerning bloggers no longer remaining anonymous and being sued. It really didn't belong on this board per se, but did indeed incite some interest when reference was made to this case.

I believe it was actually concerning the ANS case IIRC. Good to see you! :thumbup:

Mel

05-27-2009, 01:41 PM

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 01:44 PM

They would have to take off the duct to it first and it would be a tight fit (probably make alot of noise also)

It sure would make a lot of noise! Not to mention the person would have to be skinny as a rail and quite flexible.

Then they make it to a bedroom where the tv is on and there are three people in there and none of them have heard a thing.

In the meantime, where did they gather the cinderblock to use to prop the door open?

Mel

05-27-2009, 01:44 PM

I don't recall Couey ever threatening Jessica to get her out of the house. Was that in the trial transcripts?

The only thing I recall is that he woke her up and told her he was taking her to see her dad. (Mark Lunsford had left the home that evening to visit his girlfriend and had admittedly left the front door unlocked.)

If you have a link to the threats, I sure would like to see it because for the life of me, I don't recall that at all.

TIA

you don't recall it, because Couey never said it

Mel

05-27-2009, 01:47 PM

It sure would make a lot of noise! Not to mention the person would have to be skinny as a rail and quite flexible.

Then they make it to a bedroom where the tv is on and there are three people in there and none of them have heard a thing.

In the meantime, where did they gather the cinderblock to use to prop the door open?

i think the cinderblock was always there, in the yard...i think RC lied when he said he had no idea where it came from..jmo

i don't think anyone snuck into the home, thru a door, under the home, etc...i think she was taken out of the home, already dead..

again, jmo

Mel

05-27-2009, 01:49 PM

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 01:53 PM

i think the cinderblock was always there, in the yard...i think RC lied when he said he had no idea where it came from..jmo

i don't think anyone snuck into the home, thru a door, under the home, etc...i think she was taken out of the home, already dead..

again, jmo

So what you're saying is there is no skinny SO with a cinderblock tied to his waist to keep him from blowing away in the wind?

:w00t:

Mel

05-27-2009, 01:59 PM

Hiya Frankie!! I don't believe for a second Haleigh was taken by a SO. If anyone in the family took her, I think it's because they saw she was being abused in that trailer and took her to save her from that, but that is a long shot.

Unfortunately, I have to go with the statistically viable conclusion that Haleigh is no longer alive.

good point made - "but that is a long shot"

i've thought of this also, but if someone wanted to save Haleigh from abuse, i can't imagine not taking Jr also.

i also believe Haleigh is not among the living now...

Mel

05-27-2009, 02:01 PM

So what you're saying is there is no skinny SO with a cinderblock tied to his waist to keep him from blowing away in the wind?

:w00t:

LOL, yes that's what i'm saying

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 02:06 PM

Why am I not surprise of all your excuses if it would not involve Ron?:confused:

Excuse me? Who said I was blaming Ron for anything?

It is my opinion that nobody crawled through the ductwork and the air exchange to come into a house and take Haleigh.

How does that translate into blaming Ron for anything? I never mentioned his name.

:confused:

Mel

05-27-2009, 02:09 PM

Why am I not surprise of all your excuses if it would not involve Ron?:confused:

because everything points to RC & Misty!...that simple

Haleigh comes up 'missing' from their home...LE states this was no stranger abduction...sure, LE says RC was at work..so what???..they still don't know what happened to Haleigh or when it happened.....i hope & pray little Haleigh's body turns up...her body will tell the tale, imo...

JackiBlu

05-27-2009, 02:13 PM

i think the cinderblock was always there, in the yard...i think RC lied when he said he had no idea where it came from..jmo

i don't think anyone snuck into the home, thru a door, under the home, etc...i think she was taken out of the home, already dead..

again, jmo

I think I read in an article that the cinderblocks were under the mobile home. I don't recall the cinderblocks just laying in the yard. Don't have the link but will look for it.

JMO

diamond

05-27-2009, 02:15 PM

because everything points to RC & Misty!...that simple

Haleigh comes up 'missing' from their home...LE states this was no stranger abduction...sure, LE says RC was at work..so what???..they still don't know what happened to Haleigh or when it happened.....i hope & pray little Haleigh's body turns up...her body will tell the tale, imo...

I agree. Unless Haleigh is found this case will be like other cases. PVDS said, "no body, no crime". Sadly, that may be the case for Haleigh as well.

It is obvious that Ronald and Misty staged the scene. I bet they did that just before the 911 call.

MO

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 02:16 PM

Oh ITA about the cinderblock always being there......and it was used to prop the door because the person carrying her was having a hard time and couldn't open the door and carry the body at the same time? And the sheets were spread on the ramp leading to the door because they had been kicked out of the way piled on the floor in front of the door and washer? But the person who took her didn't come back and clean things up, or they didn't clean things up on purpose so it would look random, from the outside?

When did they realize they would have to prop the door? On their way in or on their way out? If it was on their way out, what did they do with Haleigh while they were searching out said cinderblock and propping the door? If it was on their way in, why would the sheets be pushed outside? Wouldn't they have been pushed inside further because the wooden door opened inward and not outward?

Mel

05-27-2009, 02:16 PM

Oh ITA about the cinderblock always being there......and it was used to prop the door because the person carrying her was having a hard time and couldn't open the door and carry the body at the same time? And the sheets were spread on the ramp leading to the door because they had been kicked out of the way piled on the floor in front of the door and washer? But the person who took her didn't come back and clean things up, or they didn't clean things up on purpose so it would look random, from the outside?

i think the entire scene was staged to make it look like an abduction took place...cinderblock, sheets & all...RC got tripped up though, on the cinderblock...if he was smart, he'd have just gone ahead & admitted the block was outside the house...him lying about that is just another thing that makes him look suspicious of something...

jmo

JackiBlu

05-27-2009, 02:20 PM

Hiya Frankie!! I don't believe for a second Haleigh was taken by a SO. If anyone in the family took her, I think it's because they saw she was being abused in that trailer and took her to save her from that, but that is a long shot.

Unfortunately, I have to go with the statistically viable conclusion that Haleigh is no longer alive.

Scampi, if someone took Haleigh to save her from the so called abuse why wouldn't she still be alive?

JMO

diamond

05-27-2009, 02:23 PM

Scampi, if someone took Haleigh to save her from the so called abuse why wouldn't she still be alive?

JMO

Do you mean someone in the family?

Mel

05-27-2009, 02:24 PM

I think I read in an article that the cinderblocks were under the mobile home. I don't recall the cinderblocks just laying in the yard. Don't have the link but will look for it.

JMO

doesn't matter...the point is, they were always there, & RC knew it...acting like he had no idea where they came from...give me a break:rolleyes:

Mel

05-27-2009, 02:26 PM

I agree. Unless Haleigh is found this case will be like other cases. PVDS said, "no body, no crime". Sadly, that may be the case for Haleigh as well.

It is obvious that Ronald and Misty staged the scene. I bet they did that just before the 911 call.

MO

i agree, diamond....a staged scene

wish we knew what time, if any, calls were made to RC while at work, from Misty....

diamond

05-27-2009, 02:27 PM

doesn't matter...the point is, they were always there, & RC knew it...acting like he had no idea where they came from...give me a break:rolleyes:

I agree. He lied about the cinder block. I think it was always there and used to prop the door open all the time.

JackiBlu

05-27-2009, 02:27 PM

I agree. Unless Haleigh is found this case will be like other cases. PVDS said, "no body, no crime". Sadly, that may be the case for Haleigh as well.

It is obvious that Ronald and Misty staged the scene. I bet they did that just before the 911 call.

MO

LE says they are satisfied that Ron was at work; so when did they have time to stage a scene? I would think LE and the FBI would know if a scene was staged.

Also, there have been lots of cases where there was no body and the person was convicted.

JMO

diamond

05-27-2009, 02:28 PM

i agree, diamond....a staged scene

wish we knew what time, if any, calls were made to RC while at work, from Misty....

I do, too. But unless LE solves this case and an arrest made LE will not release any of the evidence they collected.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:28 PM

Hiya Frankie!! I don't believe for a second Haleigh was taken by a SO. If anyone in the family took her, I think it's because they saw she was being abused in that trailer and took her to save her from that, but that is a long shot.

Unfortunately, I have to go with the statistically viable conclusion that Haleigh is no longer alive.

so are you saying that someone in Crystals family might have taken Haleigh to save her from the "abuse" but then killed her? :ohmy:

JackiBlu

05-27-2009, 02:29 PM

Why am I not surprise of all your excuses if it would not involve Ron?:confused:

ITA bam. Even if Ron is cleared some won't believe it.

JMO

diamond

05-27-2009, 02:32 PM

LE says they are satisfied that Ron was at work; so when did they have time to stage a scene? I would think LE and the FBI would know if a scene was staged.

Also, there have been lots of cases where there was no body and the person was convicted.

JMO

LE is satisfied with his eight hours of work. They are not satisfied with the time line. Who knows what really happen before and after Ronald's work hours.

I know LE and FBI would know if the scene was staged but neither have released their findings.

Mel

05-27-2009, 02:33 PM

so are you saying that someone in Crystals family might have taken Haleigh to save her from the "abuse" but then killed her? :ohmy:

i think it's obvious what Scampi meant, LOL

the word "IF" someone took her .... Scampi also stated she thought it was a "long shot"....gosh, how people twist things:laugh:

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:35 PM

i think it's obvious what Scampi meant, LOL

the word "IF" someone took her .... Scampi also stated she thought it was a "long shot"....gosh, how people twist things:laugh:

i'm not twisting anything and i agree with Scampi it's a long shot that happen.

IMO Misty did something to Haleigh or she knows exactly what happen to her.

Scampi

05-27-2009, 02:35 PM

so are you saying that someone in Crystals family might have taken Haleigh to save her from the "abuse" but then killed her? :ohmy:

No Angel♥ that is not what I am saying. Try again.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:36 PM

LE is satisfied with his eight hours of work. They are not satisfied with the time line. Who knows what really happen before and after Ronald's work hours.

I know LE and FBI would know if the scene was staged but neither have released their findings.

the LE did not say "eight hours of work".
and i thought AH said Haleigh was seen AFTER Ron went to work?

JackiBlu

05-27-2009, 02:36 PM

Do you mean someone in the family?

Family, friends of family or someone known to the family. If they took her because they thought she was being abused per scampi's post why would she not be alive? Why save her from abuse and then kill her???

JMO

Scampi

05-27-2009, 02:38 PM

i think it's obvious what Scampi meant, LOL

the word "IF" someone took her .... Scampi also stated she thought it was a "long shot"....gosh, how people twist things:laugh:

LOL, some people are just fans of Chubby Checker!! I'm glad you understood my point.

:seeya:

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:38 PM

No Angel♥ that is not what I am saying. Try again.

Try what? I'm just asking honest questions.

Cobra kind of alluded to almost the same thing you said about a family member taking her and a caller asked if it was Crystals family and he said now your thinking in the right direction.

I still have to wonder why Crystal has not been cleared yet.

IF someone from Crystal's side took Haleigh it sure wasn't Johnny because you can tell he's a concerned grandfather trying to really find his grand daughter.

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 02:38 PM

Family, friends of family or someone known to the family. If they took her because they thought she was being abused per scampi's post why would she not be alive? Why save her from abuse and then kill her???

JMO

Scampi didn't say someone saved her from abuse and then killed her.

Mel

05-27-2009, 02:39 PM

LE says they are satisfied that Ron was at work; so when did they have time to stage a scene? I would think LE and the FBI would know if a scene was staged.

Also, there have been lots of cases where there was no body and the person was convicted.

JMO

i don't doubt LE is satisfied with RC's work hours...he was at work for a certain number of hours...that doesn't mean that a scene wasn't staged, via phone calls from Misty to RC...heck, it could have been staged upon RC's arrival to the home...how long would it take to put a cinderblock at the door & toss a few sheets out??....

i agree with you - i'm sure LE & FBI already know if the scene looked staged or not...

Scampi

05-27-2009, 02:39 PM

Family, friends of family or someone known to the family. If they took her because they thought she was being abused per scampi's post why would she not be alive? Why save her from abuse and then kill her???

JMO

My post contained two separate and distinct thoughts on the matter.

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 02:40 PM

Try what? I'm just asking honest questions.

Cobra kind of alluded to almost the same thing you said about a family member taking her and a caller asked if it was Crystals family and he said now your thinking in the right direction.

I still have to wonder why Crystal has not been cleared yet.

IF someone from Crystal's side took Haleigh it sure wasn't Johnny because you can tell he's a concerned grandfather trying to really find his grand daughter.

Was this one of Cobra's "truth telling" days?

I get confused over which days of the week he can be believed and which days he's just making stuff up.

:confused:

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:42 PM

Was this one of Cobra's "truth telling" days?

I get confused over which days of the week he can be believed and which days he's just making stuff up.

:confused:

House,...honestly i don't believe a word that comes out of Cobras mouth. I think he's in it for the fame and glory.

He said the other day he reported Crystal to DCF i wonder what for.

JackiBlu

05-27-2009, 02:42 PM

LE is satisfied with his eight hours of work. They are not satisfied with the time line. Who knows what really happen before and after Ronald's work hours.

I know LE and FBI would know if the scene was staged but neither have released their findings.

I believe LE said they are satisfied with the 8 hours "in question" that Ronald was at work. It is my understanding the 8 hours in question is 7:00pm - 3:00am.

If LE and FBI know for sure the scene was staged I believe we would have seen an arrest by now.

JMO

Scampi

05-27-2009, 02:42 PM

Scampi didn't say someone saved her from abuse and then killed her.

LOL, don't ya just love it?

Let's twist again, like we did last summer.......lol :thumbsup:

diamond

05-27-2009, 02:42 PM

Was this one of Cobra's "truth telling" days?

I get confused over which days of the week he can be believed and which days he's just making stuff up.

:confused:

Some pick and choose what they want to believe from Cobra and Art.

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 02:42 PM

on their way out, they forgor because they didn't mean to kill her
they laid her on the floor
the wooden door was already open?

So this stranger SO kills Haleigh inside the house, lays Haleigh on the floor, and then finds the cinderblock to prop open the back door?

Misty sleeps through all of this?

Owlface

05-27-2009, 02:42 PM

ITA bam. Even if Ron is cleared some won't believe it.

JMO

Perhaps. And even if he is convicted some won't believe it.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:42 PM

My post contained two separate and distinct thoughts on the matter.

Do you think Haleigh's dead?

diamond

05-27-2009, 02:44 PM

I believe LE said they are satisfied with the 8 hours "in question" that Ronald was at work. It is my understanding the 8 hours in question is 7:00pm - 3:00am.

If LE and FBI know for sure the scene was staged I believe we would have seen an arrest by now.

JMO

LE will not arrest anyone for a staged scene. I don't think there will be an arrest until Haleigh's remains are found. If ever found.

mo

Scampi

05-27-2009, 02:44 PM

Try what? I'm just asking honest questions.

Cobra kind of alluded to almost the same thing you said about a family member taking her and a caller asked if it was Crystals family and he said now your thinking in the right direction.

I still have to wonder why Crystal has not been cleared yet.

IF someone from Crystal's side took Haleigh it sure wasn't Johnny because you can tell he's a concerned grandfather trying to really find his grand daughter.

I have no problem with an honest question, it's the mischaracterization of my post of which I'm not too fond.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:44 PM

Some pick and choose what they want to believe from Cobra and Art.

I agree.........Do you believe what Cobra, Art and TJH have to say?

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 02:44 PM

I believe LE said they are satisfied with the 8 hours "in question" that Ronald was at work. It is my understanding the 8 hours in question is 7:00pm - 3:00am.

If LE and FBI know for sure the scene was staged I believe we would have seen an arrest by now.

JMO

Not necessarily. They would still have to provide evidence to convince a jury of who did what and when. Who is the murderer? Which one did the staging? Which was the murderer and which was the accessory?

Provided of course this turns out to be a murder case.

Scampi

05-27-2009, 02:45 PM

Do you think Haleigh's dead?

Unfortunately, I do.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:45 PM

I have no problem with an honest question, it's the mischaracterization of my post of which I'm not too fond.

I was not trying to do that. but if you feel like i was twisting your words i am truly sorry.

Do you have any idea why Cobra reported Crystal to DCF?

FrankieBones1

05-27-2009, 02:46 PM

Try what? I'm just asking honest questions.

Cobra kind of alluded to almost the same thing you said about a family member taking her and a caller asked if it was Crystals family and he said now your thinking in the right direction.

I still have to wonder why Crystal has not been cleared yet.

IF someone from Crystal's side took Haleigh it sure wasn't Johnny because you can tell he's a concerned grandfather trying to really find his grand daughter.

Hi, Angel. Do you know who has been totally cleared yet? I never hear boo from LE on the matter.

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 02:46 PM

Some pick and choose what they want to believe from Cobra and Art.

No doubt about it.

JackiBlu

05-27-2009, 02:46 PM

Try what? I'm just asking honest questions.

Cobra kind of alluded to almost the same thing you said about a family member taking her and a caller asked if it was Crystals family and he said now your thinking in the right direction.

I still have to wonder why Crystal has not been cleared yet.

IF someone from Crystal's side took Haleigh it sure wasn't Johnny because you can tell he's a concerned grandfather trying to really find his grand daughter.

FA if Johnny is so concerned why is he moving out of state? That makes no sense to me.

JMO

diamond

05-27-2009, 02:46 PM

I agree.........Do you believe what Cobra, Art and TJH have to say?

I believe what Art and TJH report. Cobra I think should not be there at all. He should go home.

MO

FrankieBones1

05-27-2009, 02:47 PM

Unfortunately, I do.

Same here. With all the S.O. s in the area, it's hard to stay positive.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:47 PM

Unfortunately, I do.

As time goes on I have a gut feeling she's dead. I still put the blame on Misty, but at this point i think Ron knows what happen to his child so i blame him also.

I pray I'm wrong and she's found alive........

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:49 PM

FA if Johnny is so concerned why is he moving out of state? That makes no sense to me.

JMO

I didn't know he was moving. Where is he moving too and was this move planned before Haleigh went missing?

Like Marie said the other day life is hard without Haleigh but it has to go on :(

JackiBlu

05-27-2009, 02:49 PM

My post contained two separate and distinct thoughts on the matter.

Sorry scampi. That's not how I read it. Not trying to spin anything.

JMO

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 02:50 PM

FA if Johnny is so concerned why is he moving out of state? That makes no sense to me.

JMO

It could be at his wife's urging. They do have a small child and let's face it, Putnam County isn't exactly the land of opportunity for higher education and jobs. More like an oasis of drugs and sex offenders. I'd move too. I'm sure if Johnny is needed back in Florida, they still have flights available, or trains, or buses.

Just my opinion.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:50 PM

Sorry scampi. That's not how I read it. Not trying to spin anything.

JMO

Same here Jacki i must have just read it wrong.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:52 PM

It could be at his wife's urging. They do have a small child and let's face it, Putnam County isn't exactly the land of opportunity for higher education and jobs. More like an oasis of drugs and sex offenders. I'd move too. I'm sure if Johnny is needed back in Florida, they still have flights available, or trains, or buses.

Just my opinion.

I agree. BUT if Ron was moving out of state i think some would start screaming.

JackiBlu

05-27-2009, 02:52 PM

I didn't know he was moving. Where is he moving too and was this move planned before Haleigh went missing?

Like Marie said the other day life is hard without Haleigh but it has to go on :(

He is moving to KY per his interview. I have no idea when it was planned.

Here is the link for the interview; one from Johnny and one from Cobra.

http://writeintoaction.com/COBRA.htm

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:54 PM

He is moving to KY per his interview. I have no idea when it was planned.

Here is the link for the interview; one from Johnny and one from Cobra.

http://writeintoaction.com/COBRA.htm

TY i'll save it and listen to it after Hubby leaves for work.

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 02:56 PM

I agree. BUT if Ron was moving out of state i think some would start screaming.

He's the biological father and the person that Haleigh was living with when she vanished. Johnny wasn't. That's the difference. If Ron up and moved out of state prior to a determination about what happened to Haleigh, you better believe people would start screaming and rightfully so.

Just my opinion.

MrLucky917B

05-27-2009, 02:58 PM

Hi, Angel. Do you know who has been totally cleared yet? I never hear boo from LE on the matter.

I think the only person that LE has said they cleared was the AC guy, so he probably did it.

JMO

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 02:59 PM

He's the biological father and the person that Haleigh was living with when she vanished. Johnny wasn't. That's the difference. If Ron up and moved out of state prior to a determination about what happened to Haleigh, you better believe people would start screaming and rightfully so.

Just my opinion.

Since i heard Marie and Crystal went back home and going on with life i have to wonder...........when is it ok for life to go on when you have a missing child?

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 03:09 PM

oh sorry House, in that scenario I wasn't thinking about a stranger SO, I was considering someone already in the house.

If it was a stranger SO, does anyone think Misty is being so inconsistent because she woke and realized what was happening and was so frightened she didn't jump up and scream or anything? Or she thought it was a dream? and realized too late it wasn't?

I think if Misty realized any such thing, it would have already been heard by now.

Mel

05-27-2009, 03:17 PM

LOL, some people are just fans of Chubby Checker!! I'm glad you understood my point.

:seeya:

i didn't see what was so hard to understand about it, lol

:seeya:

Mel

05-27-2009, 03:20 PM

ITA bam. Even if Ron is cleared some won't believe it.

JMO

if Ronald is cleared by LE, i'll have no problem with it...until then, i think he had something to do with Haleigh's 'disappearance'..

2boysMom

05-27-2009, 03:24 PM

Neither MC nor CS's fiance were part of the family when Haleigh disappeared.

That's why I didn't include them in my post.

Mel

05-27-2009, 03:25 PM

I believe LE said they are satisfied with the 8 hours "in question" that Ronald was at work. It is my understanding the 8 hours in question is 7:00pm - 3:00am.

If LE and FBI know for sure the scene was staged I believe we would have seen an arrest by now.
JMO

that wouldn't be enough for an arrest...it would only be one part of the puzzle...the other pieces (real evidence) would have to fit..

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 03:27 PM

I don't know, but I think he had good intentions in the beginning, IMO

one thing for sure something happen with his relationship with Crystal and Kim.

Mel

05-27-2009, 03:27 PM

Perhaps. And even if he is convicted some won't believe it.

good point...some will claim he's innocent, even if he's charged & convicted, lol...

guess it takes all kinds to make the world go round:smile:

diamond

05-27-2009, 03:30 PM

good point...some will claim he's innocent, even if he's charged & convicted, lol...
guess it takes all kinds to make the world go round:smile:

respond bolding...

He has some dedicated supporters.:closedeyes:

2boysMom

05-27-2009, 03:30 PM

until LE states "immediate family are cleared", they aren't, imo

Imo they'd have said "family" had they meant to include RC. And note that I didn't include Misty, as I know she was not family at the time.

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 03:30 PM

Since i heard Marie and Crystal went back home and going on with life i have to wonder...........when is it ok for life to go on when you have a missing child?

Wonder what that really means?

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 03:32 PM

In my opinion, there is a world of difference between Crystal's words of 2005 and Ron's actions of 2009.

well i have to wonder what Crystal did in 2009 that made a bounty hunter report her to DCF. and why hasn't she been cleared yet?

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 03:33 PM

Oops lost my quote -- about why Cobra might have talked to DCS about CS.

Just putting small pieces together, I wonder if she might be on pain killers, and at least he thinks she's taking too many.

JMO or maybe it's really just a guess.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 03:34 PM

Wonder what that really means?

Sounds like they are having to go with their lives.

"It's awful knowing we have to go on in our daily lives without her," Griffis said.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=138565&provider=top

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 03:35 PM

Just putting small pieces together, I wonder if she might be on pain killers, and at least he thinks she's taking too many.

JMO or maybe it's really just a guess.

yeah maybe she's taking too many and driving and Cobra felt he needed to report her. Heck i have no clue but i hope we find out soon.

diamond

05-27-2009, 03:35 PM

Wonder what that really means?

It means nothing. People have to go on with life. It doesn't mean they are over the tragic things that happen in life. It just means they eventually learn to live with it and do the best they can.

And I don't think it meant that they just left the HBC. My understanding is Crystal is ill and needed to return home to rest.

MO

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 03:38 PM

Some pick and choose what they want to believe from Cobra and Art.

That's about all you can do. It can't be lies, and we're all pretty sure it isn't all true.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 03:38 PM

Haleigh Cummings – Cost Concerns In Putnam County

http://www.bloggernews.net/121030

diamond

05-27-2009, 03:39 PM

yeah maybe she's taking too many and driving and Cobra felt he needed to report her. Heck i have no clue but i hope we find out soon.

Cobra appears to me to be the type of personality that will turn on people without reason.

I would like to know what he is saying he turned into DCF. And he obtained his information. What proof he has of his allegations.

MO

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 03:40 PM

It means nothing. People have to go on with life. It doesn't mean they are over the tragic things that happen in life. It just means they eventually learn to live with it and do the best they can.

And I don't think it meant that they just left the HBC. My understanding is Crystal is ill and needed to return home to rest.

MO

Is there someone running the HBC?

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 03:41 PM

Cobra appears to me to be the type of personality that will turn on people without reason.

I would like to know what he is saying he turned into DCF. And he obtained his information. What proof he has of his allegations.

MO

I would love to know that also. Did you hear the interview?

diamond

05-27-2009, 03:41 PM

Is there someone running the HBC?

The last report I heard KP said she hired someone to run the HBC.

diamond

05-27-2009, 03:47 PM

I would love to know that also. Did you hear the interview?

Yes, I did. When Cobra said he turned the information over to DCF Art stated that to his knowledge Crystal's drug tests were negative and that he was trying to obtain the test results for documentation.

One caller that called in was in some way associated with the Valentine bonding company and he was asking questions about Cobra's arrest and why Cobra did not present his authorization papers to pick up Snodgrass. Cobra said he had approval to do so but he had never had papers to pick up anybody. Then he named all his arrests of people.

Eventually the converstion became hostile and Cobra accused the guy from Valentines of having a problem with him and said the guy was lying.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 03:57 PM

Yes, I did. When Cobra said he turned the information over to DCF Art stated that to his knowledge Crystal's drug tests were negative and that he was trying to obtain the test results for documentation.

One caller that called in was in some way associated with the Valentine bonding company and he was asking questions about Cobra's arrest and why Cobra did not present his authorization papers to pick up Snodgrass. Cobra said he had approval to do so but he had never had papers to pick up anybody. Then he named all his arrests of people.

Eventually the converstion became hostile and Cobra accused the guy from Valentines of having a problem with him and said the guy was lying.

Yeah i thought that was freaking that guy from the sister company of Valentine bonds called in.
and it was Art Harris that said all of Crystals drugs test were neg. not Cobra.
SOmething happen between Cobra, Kim and Crystal IMO and they are no longer friendly.
and i hate to hear Crystals no longer speaking to her father.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 03:59 PM

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090519/articles/905191015

here here's the article about the volunteer

yeah that was a few weeks ago. the other day a neighbor said the HBC hasn't been open in a couple of weeks so i was wondering if we knew if anyone's been there in the past few weeks.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 04:00 PM

The last report I heard KP said she hired someone to run the HBC.

where is KP getting the money from i wonder.
and why does she want the HBC open but she doesn't want Cobra or Johnny out looking for Haleigh?
See something just doesn't jive for me.

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 04:02 PM

where is KP getting the money from i wonder.
and why does she want the HBC open but she doesn't want Cobra or Johnny out looking for Haleigh?
See something just doesn't jive for me.

Why doesn't LE want anybody out looking for Haleigh?

diamond

05-27-2009, 04:06 PM

where is KP getting the money from i wonder.
and why does she want the HBC open but she doesn't want Cobra or Johnny out looking for Haleigh?
See something just doesn't jive for me.

I wonder where the money is coming from as well. Art posted on his sight that a "friend of Teresa's" told him that Crystal is getting all the donations now. So maybe KP is paying the expenses with donation money.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 04:06 PM

Why doesn't LE want anybody out looking for Haleigh?

I have no clue...but i've been wondering that the past few months. Somethings just NOT right down there i tell ya.

Scampi

05-27-2009, 04:11 PM

I was not trying to do that. but if you feel like i was twisting your words i am truly sorry.

Do you have any idea why Cobra reported Crystal to DCF?

I think you misunderstood my post. Done, over and forgotten. I didn't know he had. Lots of stuff going on that has absolutely nothing to do with the disappearance of Haleigh, imo.

Scampi

05-27-2009, 04:13 PM

cat3

05-27-2009, 04:13 PM

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090519/articles/905191015

here here's the article about the volunteer

Thanks for the link.I saw this article when it was first posted,but totally missed what was said about Crystal and her medical problem,and I had been wondering how she was coming along.
Doctors have been unable to determine a reason for her seizures.
Sounds like she at least must have followed through and had some tests done.Good for her.IMO

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 04:14 PM

I wonder where the money is coming from as well. Art posted on his sight that a "friend of Teresa's" told him that Crystal is getting all the donations now. So maybe KP is paying the expenses with donation money.

well didn't Cobra say KP said everything for the first month and then Crystal had to pay her back with donations?

What bugs me the most about this case is

1. Misty not being able to keep her story straight
2. Ron marrying Misty
3. LE not giving updates
4. LE not wanting ANYONE to search for Haleigh

Scampi

05-27-2009, 04:15 PM

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 04:16 PM

I think you misunderstood my post. Done, over and forgotten. I didn't know he had. Lots of stuff going on that has absolutely nothing to do with the disappearance of Haleigh, imo.

Honestly i don't know what has to do with her disappearance and what doesn't.

FallenAngel♥

05-27-2009, 04:20 PM

LOL and you're just now realizing that? sorry, couldn't resist. Could be that now LE thinks they bungled things from the beginning? And I wonder of the new female LE has been able to contact Misty yet, or if she has tried

No i realized it awhile back lol

I hope the new female LE can bring a new eye to the case but IMO this case is so full of drama finding Haleigh has just been tossed to the back burner :(

Scampi

05-27-2009, 04:21 PM

Honestly i don't know what has to do with her disappearance and what doesn't.

I thought your "bug me" list up there was pretty good.

lizzard

05-27-2009, 04:29 PM

LOL and you're just now realizing that? sorry, couldn't resist. Could be that now LE thinks they bungled things from the beginning? And I wonder of the new female LE has been able to contact Misty yet, or if she has tried

Great question, MadameX! I had forgotten about that little tidbit.

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 04:58 PM

Peaches

05-27-2009, 05:15 PM

What biz is it of TN whether CS is getting donations?

She was most likely asked the question. jmo

Riverwalk!

05-27-2009, 06:40 PM

IIRC the sheets were out on the ramp for the dogs.
LE placed them out there for her scent..

Lots of back-and-forth when this first happened...why the sheets instead of Haleigh's clothes etc..

I'm sure someone will correct me if I remember incorrecty... :w00t:

Correct. The local paper reported sheets scattered on the ramp but then at the press conference it was stated that LE put them there.

The only thing I can find now (links are gone) is from our own board and the ensuing confusion:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348924&page=9
See post #329, #349 and #350.

Like everything else being "reported" about this case .... :cursing:

moo

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 07:42 PM

HouseOfClark

05-27-2009, 07:45 PM

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 08:40 PM

Imo they'd have said "family" had they meant to include RC. And note that I didn't include Misty, as I know she was not family at the time.

I'm going to throw another idea at you. MC's brother and/or sister-in-law aren't part of the family but were sure close.

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 08:55 PM

Just an observation. Seems ALL media are quite on this mystery. Maybe LE can concentrate on finding out what happened to Haleigh without the interference from the likes of the BH. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

05-27-2009, 09:25 PM

well i have to wonder what Crystal did in 2009 that made a bounty hunter report her to DCF. and why hasn't she been cleared yet?

HUH?

And Good Evening (:

sleuth

05-27-2009, 09:31 PM

Most mobile homes have a crawl space under the structure for ac/heat, electric, telephone, water etc. In a home that old it would be a nasty place and the opening from the crawspace to the home is not that large.

JMO

I have heard the AC man come up many times on this panel. Does anyone know his name? :unsure:

lizzard

05-27-2009, 09:35 PM

I have heard the AC man come up many times on this panel. Does anyone know his name? :unsure:

Thankfully for him, I don't believe his name was ever released.

jmo

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 09:41 PM

Thankfully for him, I don't believe his name was ever released.

jmo

Since LE has been able to keep that information from the public, wonder how much else they are keeping close to the vest. One would think all the investigative reporters, locals, and the PI would have been able to find him. When one stops and thinks about it, it is amazing that his name has not been revealed. JMO

lizzard

05-27-2009, 09:55 PM

Since LE has been able to keep that information from the public, wonder how much else they are keeping close to the vest. One would think all the investigative reporters, locals, and the PI would have been able to find him. When one stops and thinks about it, it is amazing that his name has not been revealed. JMO

Very odd. I'm glad for his sake it isn't out, but I don't understand how somebody, somewhere, hasn't leaked it. Wonder why?:shrug:
Could he know something LE isn't telling the media?

TaraCrazyHair

05-27-2009, 09:58 PM

Very odd. I'm glad for his sake it isn't out, but I don't understand how somebody, somewhere, hasn't leaked it. Wonder why?:shrug:
Could he know something LE isn't telling the media?

I think it is because he has absolutely nothing do to do with the case, no info to offer and thankfully, does not want his 15 minutes of fame

TaraCrazyHair

05-27-2009, 10:02 PM

Schauland told First Coast News, "What happened during that eight-hour time period from 7 p.m. to 3 a.m. when she found the child missing and what occurred during that time is what [investigators] are trying to straighten out."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133696&catid=3

Police have said they were satisfied with his account of the 8 hours in question period. Nothing about his schedule at work. Posters who claim they were talking about his work hours are misconstruing what LE said.

We all know LE's timeline has been from 7pm to 3am. That is the 8 hours in question. HaLeigh was seen alive at home after Ron left for work. Someone they obviously believe placed her in the home after Ron left for work that day.

GGM was there around 7:30 according to her -- so does that mean LE does not believe it?

:confused:

If they do not .. that opens another can of worms

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 10:13 PM

GGM was there around 7:30 according to her -- so does that mean LE does not believe it?

:confused:

If they do not .. that opens another can of worms

Or was she there at 5:30 or maybe 7:00 which has also been reported? And was she alone, or was there actually a "we"?

Maybe they believe she was there, not sure when or with who.

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 10:17 PM

I think it is because he has absolutely nothing do to do with the case, no info to offer and thankfully, does not want his 15 minutes of fame

I admire him for not coming forth. I just can't understand why noone else has not outed him for their 15 min. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

05-27-2009, 10:22 PM

Or was she there at 5:30 or maybe 7:00 which has also been reported? And was she alone, or was there actually a "we"?

Maybe they believe she was there, not sure when or with who.

AC man was there around 5:00 as were her brother/nephews

GGM was there around 7:00-7:30

So LE must not accept GGM story for some reason or they would have changed the timeline to around the time she left, right?

That would mean technically .. and that depends on the condition Haleigh was in around 5-5:30 as described to LE might tell a story

Has Misty's brother ever given an interview? Does anyone know?

CC I See

05-27-2009, 10:25 PM

AC man was there around 5:00 as were her brother/nephews

GGM was there around 7:00-7:30

So LE must not accept GGM story for some reason or they would have changed the timeline to around the time she left, right?

That would mean technically .. and that depends on the condition Haleigh was in around 5-5:30 as described to LE might tell a story

Has Misty's brother ever given an interview? Does anyone know?

Misty's brother is the one person who I would like to see interviewed. Everyone else just can't stay away from a camera but he seems camera shy. I wonder why.

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 10:25 PM

AC man was there around 5:00 as were her brother/nephews

GGM was there around 7:00-7:30

So LE must not accept GGM story for some reason or they would have changed the timeline to around the time she left, right?

That would mean technically .. and that depends on the condition Haleigh was in around 5-5:30 as described to LE might tell a story

Has Misty's brother ever given an interview? Does anyone know?

I don't know re Misty's brother. Also can't read LE's mind re GGM. I think that is the reason there is so much speculation. LE has not released much of anything, just leaving it to everyone's imagination. Boy some people do have big imaginations!! JMO

TaraCrazyHair

05-27-2009, 10:28 PM

Misty's brother is the one person who I would like to see interviewed. Everyone else just can't stay away from a camera but he seems camera shy. I wonder why.

Real interesting especially considering that he may really be the last person to provide any details

You would think he would be all over the place defending his sister... discussing Haleigh alive and playing and full of life

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 10:29 PM

Misty's brother is the one person who I would like to see interviewed. Everyone else just can't stay away from a camera but he seems camera shy. I wonder why.

Most of the people on the parternal side have shied away from the media, not so much on the maternal side. Especially when GR came to town. JMO

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 10:32 PM

Real interesting especially considering that he may really be the last person to provide any details

You would think he would be all over the place defending his sister... discussing Haleigh alive and playing and full of life

I admire all the people who refuse to get involved in the media circus. If LE wants to interview them, they probably cooperate.

o/t watching GVS re the woman who was supposedly kidnapped and put in a truck of a car. It was all a hoax. Didn't take long to solve that one. JMO

lizzard

05-27-2009, 10:34 PM

Most of the people on the parternal side have shied away from the media, not so much on the maternal side. Especially when GR came to town. JMO

Understandably.

imo

TaraCrazyHair

05-27-2009, 10:34 PM

I admire all the people who refuse to get involved in the media circus. If LE wants to interview them, they probably cooperate.

JMO

I do too .. it is just odd really

lizzard

05-27-2009, 10:47 PM

AC man was there around 5:00 as were her brother/nephews

GGM was there around 7:00-7:30

So LE must not accept GGM story for some reason or they would have changed the timeline to around the time she left, right?

That would mean technically .. and that depends on the condition Haleigh was in around 5-5:30 as described to LE might tell a story

Has Misty's brother ever given an interview? Does anyone know?

If GGm was there around 7-7:30, and the timeline starts at 7, why would you suggest LE does not accept her story?
Sounds right to me.

jmo

TaraCrazyHair

05-27-2009, 10:47 PM

How do you figure that? Their timeline starts at 7pm. They don't appear to be looking at her condition around 5:30pm since their timeline starts an hur and a half later. Maybe Annette Sykes was there closer to 7 and that's why the timeline starts then?

The time line would start after GGM left not when she arrived

If there is an inconsistency between what the brother said things were like at 5-5:30 and what GGM described around 7-7:30, that could explain LE's comments regarding nothing as consistent with the families

Just thinking .....

(:

diamond

05-27-2009, 10:49 PM

Thankfully for him, I don't believe his name was ever released.

jmo

Was the AC man ever really there that day?

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 10:49 PM

Looks like the only place there is any activity is the Putnam County Sheriff's office. They keep booking and releasing! Thank goodness I don't recognize any of them.

JMO

diamond

05-27-2009, 10:51 PM

How do you figure that? Their timeline starts at 7pm. They don't appear to be looking at her condition around 5:30pm since their timeline starts an hur and a half later. Maybe Annette Sykes was there closer to 7 and that's why the timeline starts then?

IF GrmaSykes was really there that day why did it take almost two weeks for anyone to say she had stopped by that day?

TaraCrazyHair

05-27-2009, 10:52 PM

Was the AC man ever really there that day?
Very likely .... HVAC keeps controlled logs and odds are he was logged at different places until 8-9:00 PM

TaraCrazyHair

05-27-2009, 10:54 PM

IF GrmaSykes was really there that day why did it take almost two weeks for anyone to say she had stopped by that day?

Was it two weeks?

I can't recall how soon we heard she dropped off the laundry

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 10:56 PM

Was it two weeks?

I can't recall how soon we heard she dropped off the laundry

I don't either. The important thing is when LE heard about it. JMO

diamond

05-27-2009, 10:57 PM

Was it two weeks?

I can't recall how soon we heard she dropped off the laundry

IIRC it was a couple weeks before TN dropped that bombshell as NG would say. In the first interviews Misty said the only people that came by that day were her brother, kids and the AC man.

diamond

05-27-2009, 11:00 PM

I don't either. The important thing is when LE heard about it. JMO

Hopefully, LE heard about it before TN told it on the news interview that day because it sounded like an after thought that had not been told before then.

mo

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 11:01 PM

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 11:04 PM

We didn't know. That doesn't mean the police didn't know.

As I understand it didn't take long before GGM Sykes was there the morning that Haleigh was discovered missing. If she told LE about being there that night, then LE probably believed her, but if it was "remembered" 2 weeks later, then that probably will go under the column of Inconsistencies. JMO

diamond

05-27-2009, 11:05 PM

If GGM Sykes did drop off laundry, I don't find anything nefarious in that. I'll bet the children and Ron were at her house sometime that weekend. Especially if Misty was out on the town as has been reported. JMO

Very possible. Why didn't Misty mention it in the first interviews? She only said her brother, kids and the AC man had been there that day.

diamond

05-27-2009, 11:06 PM

As I understand it didn't take long before GGM Sykes was there the morning that Haleigh was discovered missing. If she told LE about being there that night, then LE probably believed her, but if it was "remembered" 2 weeks later, then that probably will go under the column of Inconsistencies. JMO

I don't think GrmaSykes was on the scene that early. TN was there within 15 minutes and gave a statement to police that morning.

diamond

05-27-2009, 11:12 PM

When was Jr taken to the police dept? She's the one who took him so we know she was there at some point. And I'm sure LE talked to her.

I am talking about the early AM hours when Haleigh was reported missing.

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 11:15 PM

When was Jr taken to the police dept? She's the one who took him so we know she was there at some point. And I'm sure LE talked to her.

I don't think I have ever heard when she arrived and I can't remember if she is listed on the police report, but I do remember that she said she took JR to the police station and I think it was 3 people that interviewed him. Doesn't she live closer to the home where they were living that night than TN lives? JMO

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 11:17 PM

AC man was there around 5:00 as were her brother/nephews

GGM was there around 7:00-7:30

So LE must not accept GGM story for some reason or they would have changed the timeline to around the time she left, right?

That would mean technically .. and that depends on the condition Haleigh was in around 5-5:30 as described to LE might tell a story

Has Misty's brother ever given an interview? Does anyone know?

Is the bro that lives in the neighborhood? What does anyone know about him or the SIL? Also is the one where MC was suppose to babysit? And how many children, approximate ages (more in the line of preschool, school, than actual ages)?

diamond

05-27-2009, 11:19 PM

Is the bro that lives in the neighborhood? What does anyone know about him or the SIL? Also is the one where MC was suppose to babysit? And how many children, approximate ages (more in the line of preschool, school, than actual ages)?

Did Misty's brother ever give any interviews? I recall seeing her SIL in one interview with Lisa.

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 11:20 PM

IF GrmaSykes was really there that day why did it take almost two weeks for anyone to say she had stopped by that day?

And then how much longer to find out who the other person was in "we". Oh, that's right, we still don't know.

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 11:20 PM

Is the bro that lives in the neighborhood? What does anyone know about him or the SIL? Also is the one where MC was suppose to babysit? And how many children, approximate ages (more in the line of preschool, school, than actual ages)?

I don't know if the ages of the children have been made public, but from pictures I saw on My Space they looked rather young. JMO

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 11:21 PM

Was it two weeks?

I can't recall how soon we heard she dropped off the laundry

First, I heard she drove by.

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 11:21 PM

And then how much longer to find out who the other person was in "we". Oh, that's right, we still don't know.

It is in the back of my mind that I read somewhere that it was Crystal Cummings that was with her. No link so, JMO.

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 11:23 PM

IIRC it was a couple weeks before TN dropped that bombshell as NG would say. In the first interviews Misty said the only people that came by that day were her brother, kids and the AC man.

Actually, the 1st bombshell was that she had someone in her family go by & check on 'em and that was proof that MC had been there all night.

This was when it first came out that MC had been seen some place else.

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 11:24 PM

First, I heard she drove by.

That's the problem. We have heard a lot of things, but not very much of it has been confirmed by LE. JMO

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 11:25 PM

Very possible. Why didn't Misty mention it in the first interviews? She only said her brother, kids and the AC man had been there that day.

Did MC ever say that GGM had been there?

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 11:26 PM

I don't think GrmaSykes was on the scene that early. TN was there within 15 minutes and gave a statement to police that morning.

GGM said she was there either 10 or 15 minutes after it happened.

diamond

05-27-2009, 11:27 PM

Did MC ever say that GGM had been there?

Not that I recall, I don't think she ever did. I have not found any interviews that she ever said she came by that day. And I don't believe GrmaSykes was ever there that day.

MO

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 11:28 PM

It is in the back of my mind that I read somewhere that it was Crystal Cummings that was with her. No link so, JMO.

I heard it was Ron's aunt.

Either way, you'd think whoever would have confirmed it.

diamond

05-27-2009, 11:28 PM

GGM said she was there either 10 or 15 minutes after it happened.

That was TN not GrmaSykes that was there within 15 minutes.

diamond

05-27-2009, 11:30 PM

She isn't listed on the police report but I don't think you can go by that. Crystal is listed on it and she didn't arrive until mid-morning.

From what I remember reading yes, Annette lived closer than Teresa did.

Crystal is listed because she is Haleigh's mother. She was not listed as a witness that morning.

titanfan217

05-27-2009, 11:30 PM

Not that I recall, I don't think she ever did. I have not found any interviews that she ever said she came by that day. And I don't believe GrmaSykes was ever there that day.

MO

You'd think MC would have told anything that would have made her story more believable, but then again maybe she thinks people will just believe whatever she says.

diamond

05-27-2009, 11:34 PM

You'd think MC would have told anything that would have made her story more believable, but then again maybe she thinks people will just believe whatever she says.

Whatever she may have thought then, she knows that no one believes her now.

?noanswer

05-27-2009, 11:37 PM

Crystal is listed because she is Haleigh's mother. She was not listed as a witness that morning.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

GGM Sykes is not listed, but as you stated above, CS is listed and from what I have read she was not there right away. In the narrative of the report, I did not see anything that anyone said except for Misty and Ron and maybe TN. I'm sure there is a file with all the statements from everyone, but I have not seen it anywhere. I doubt if LE has released it. JMO

Themis

05-27-2009, 11:42 PM

IF GrmaSykes was really there that day why did it take almost two weeks for anyone to say she had stopped by that day?
It did not take Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, two (2) weeks to say she had stopped by that evening.

According to the linked raw video (6 minutes) dated 2-19-09 she claimed to have last seen Haleigh and Jr on Monday, 2-9-09.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18748628/index.html

Notes:

1. Sykes made no mention of dropping off clean laundry or any type of clothes in this video. She confirms she was there at 7 P.M. that night - give or take a few minutes. Haleigh and JR are eating dinner.
2. Sykes becomes angry when a male reporter asks 'how are you guys doing' and reminds him that Haleigh has been missing for 10 days at this point. Starts at about 30 seconds into the video.
3. Yet 21 days after this video was shown the Cummings family are celebrating the wedding of Ron and Misty. Sykes is then saying things such as 'it's time for something good to happen' and 'it has been weeks and weeks and weeks since Haleigh went missing.'
4. Sykes staunchly defends Misty, saying she is very mature, takes excellent care of both children, etc. etc.
5. IIRC, Sykes never states she saw or talked to Misty that night -- only states she saw and talked with both Haleigh and Jr.

[JMO * Themis]

diamond

05-27-2009, 11:45 PM

She is listed as complainant/witness #3.

Those are the forms police use. If you look at the statements given at approximately 4 AM on Feb. 10th, the police officer wrote statements from Ronald, Misty and Teresa. Crystal was not there and did not give a statement during the morning hours to the responding officers.

diamond

05-27-2009, 11:54 PM

It did not take Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, two (2) weeks to say she had stopped by that evening.

According to the linked raw video (6 minutes) dated 2-19-09 she claimed to have last seen Haleigh and Jr on Monday, 2-9-09.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18748628/index.html

Notes:

1. Sykes made no mention of dropping off clean laundry or any type of clothes in this video. She confirms she was there at 7 P.M. that night - give or take a few minutes. Haleigh and JR are eating dinner.
2. Sykes becomes angry when a male reporter asks 'how are you guys doing' and reminds him that Haleigh has been missing for 10 days at this point. Starts at about 30 seconds into the video.
3. Yet 21 days after this video was shown the Cummings family are celebrating the wedding of Ron and Misty. Sykes is then saying things such as 'it's time for something good to happen' and 'it has been weeks and weeks and weeks since Haleigh went missing.'
4. Sykes staunchly defends Misty, saying she is very mature, takes excellent care of both children, etc. etc.
5. IIRC, Sykes never states she saw or talked to Misty that night -- only states she saw and talked with both Haleigh and Jr.

[JMO * Themis]

That interview is ten days after Haleigh disappeared. There are seven days in a week. I said ALMOST two weeks before GrmaSykes stated she went by there. Off by four days.

And GrmaSykes is lying. She was not there. She is covering up.
And that is my opinion of her statement in the video link you provided.

IF she had been there she would have stated she went by on Feb. 10th when the story broke. She did not. Misty did not.

You can see it in GrmaSykes face she did not go by there on Feb. 9th. She tilts her head every time she says that and looks to the side.

MY OPINION

Themis

05-28-2009, 12:03 AM

IIRC it was a couple weeks before TN dropped that bombshell as NG would say. In the first interviews Misty said the only people that came by that day were her brother, kids and the AC man.
Again, the 'couple of weeks' time frame you use in your post is incorrect.

Haleigh's paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, stated in a telephone interview on the Nancy Grace show, dated 2-18-09, according to the link below that she (TN): "I had family members there that night [insert 2-9-09] dropping off clothes."

Note that this phone interview with Neves is dated 1 day before the Sykes video I posted about just up above.

FYI: As for dates, I can only use the dates supplied on the websites I link to.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18739235/index.html

[JMO * Themis]

diamond

05-28-2009, 12:09 AM

Again, the 'couple of weeks' time frame you use in your post is incorrect.

Haleigh's paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, stated in a telephone interview on the Nancy Grace show, dated 2-18-09, according to the link below that she (TN): "I had family members there that night [insert 2-9-09] dropping off clothes."

Note that this phone interview with Neves is dated 1 day before the Sykes video I posted about just up above.

FYI: As for dates, I can only use the dates supplied on the websites I link to.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18739235/index.html

[JMO * Themis]

Both are 10 - 11 days after Haleigh disappeared. Not one of them stated GS came by earlier than ten days after Haleigh disappeared.
Misty's interviews during the immediate days after Haleigh disappeared did not include GrmaSykes.
Haleigh had been missing ten days when they came up with that.
MO

Themis

05-28-2009, 12:52 AM

Both are 10 - 11 days after Haleigh disappeared. Not one of them stated GS came by earlier than ten days after Haleigh disappeared.
Misty's interviews during the immediate days after Haleigh disappeared did not include GrmaSykes.
Haleigh had been missing ten days when they came up with that.
MO
I agree with your second paragraph.

I wrote posts 260 and 263 to document dates as precisely as possible according to news articles and videos because they are disappearing from the web. Several of my older links are no longer available at all or are available only by paying a fee to see/read archived material.

Acknowledging I have never been in a situation like the Cummings and Sheffield families it still seems to me that after several hours of shock and disbelief at getting this devastating news people would sit down and retrace their steps as to what they did and when they did it, think about who they saw, when they saw them and what was said and when they left. To me it would just come naturally; I would not have to wait until the police came knocking at my door. But then I am me and they are who they are.

So, like you I find it odd that Misty did not mention Annette Sykes supposed 'drop-by visit' at 7 P.M. on Monday, 2-9-09 at the same time she remembered to name her brother and nephews and the A/C man being there earlier that same day.

Even if Misty had been in another room would she not have heard a car pull up? Would she not have heard Haleigh and Jr. talking with someone and gone to the front door to check that out?

Wouldn't Sykes--not seeing Misty--have called out to her? Would Sykes not have wanted to personally hand Misty folded clean clothes so they could be put away immediately?

And, yes, the word 'we' was used by Sykes either in print or on video which I cannot find now. While other posters have said the person with Sykes was Crystal Cummings, Ron's sister, I personally have not seen that in print or on a video.

It is all very odd.

[JMO * Themis]

titanfan217

05-28-2009, 12:57 AM

Whatever she may have thought then, she knows that no one believes her now.

Does she really or is she still in her denial stage?

And there actually may be someone that believes her? Maybe RC? Maybe someone else?

diamond

05-28-2009, 01:04 AM

She disappeared 2/10/09. The interview linked by Themis is dated 2/18/09. That is 8 days later. Last time I looked 8 was less than 10.

Can you tell me why they waited so long to say GS came by the day before Haleigh disappeared?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc

Greta interviewed Ronald and Misty. Haleigh has been missing 24 hours at the time of this interview.

Greta specifically asked who had come by the house. Misty stated her older brother, nephews and the AC guys.

titanfan217

05-28-2009, 01:12 AM

Again, the 'couple of weeks' time frame you use in your post is incorrect.

Haleigh's paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, stated in a telephone interview on the Nancy Grace show, dated 2-18-09, according to the link below that she (TN): "I had family members there that night [insert 2-9-09] dropping off clothes."

Note that this phone interview with Neves is dated 1 day before the Sykes video I posted about just up above.

FYI: As for dates, I can only use the dates supplied on the websites I link to.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18739235/index.html

[JMO * Themis]

At that point, the only info I had on the story was from HLN so I'll concede that local news would have had some of the info earlier.

I kept wondering who was that person and wanted to call one of the HLN shows. I believe I did try to email.

At that point, it wasn't whether Haleigh was there, but MC; and when did this person see her, and how did that prove she didn't leave afterwards.

BitterSweet

05-28-2009, 01:13 AM

Obviously this entire message board is intimately involved with POI family in this case....IMO

Anyone interested in discussing search efforts for Haleigh?

BitterSweet

diamond

05-28-2009, 01:14 AM

Obviously this entire message board is intimately involved with POI family in this case....IMO

Anyone interested in discussing search efforts for Haleigh?
BitterSweet

Absolutely.

Are there any searches planned?

BitterSweet

05-28-2009, 01:22 AM

Respectfully, Diamond...please do not EDIT and Bold my posts...very consdecending.

Whats your plan? Very intersested.

diamond

05-28-2009, 01:24 AM

Respectfully, Diamond...please do not EDIT and Bold my posts...very consdecending.

Whats your plan? Very intersested.

I did NOT edit your post. Everyone bolds the part of the post they are responding too.

Themis

05-28-2009, 02:03 AM

At that point, the only info I had on the story was from HLN so I'll concede that local news would have had some of the info earlier.

I kept wondering who was that person and wanted to call one of the HLN shows. I believe I did try to email.

At that point, it wasn't whether Haleigh was there, but MC; and when did this person see her, and how did that prove she didn't leave afterwards.
No problem, TitanFan. With regard to the topic a few of us have been discussing I am just trying to keep the timeline as accurate as possible -- using websites and dates they supply -- while such info is still available.

INFO AVAILABLE:

1. It was reported that one of the tips L.E. had received indicated that Croslin was not at home the night of 2-9-09.
This was reported at least on 2-18-09, 12:14 P.M. in the afternoon per the following link:

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d18-Tipster-says-Misty-not-home-when-Haleigh-disappeared

2. Later that very night, 2-18-09, on the Nancy Grace show TN made the statement about sending family members to the Cummings mobile home on 2-9-09. (see my post 263 for link)

3. The very next day, 2-19-09, Annette Sykes says she stopped by about 7 P.M. on 2-09-09 and saw both Hayleigh and Junior. (see my post 260 for the link)

You are quite right. Even if L.E. accepts Sykes statement of visit on that Monday night about 7 P.M. and an entire hour is allowed for the 'drop by visit' that still leaves the hours between 8 P.M. and 3:00 A.M. the next day wide open for Haleigh to be removed from her bed. I realize you and others remember all this info because I know you have followed this case from the early days.

[JMO * Themis]

P.S. The timing is interesting to be sure.

Themis

05-28-2009, 02:16 AM

Mayasmimi

05-28-2009, 02:57 AM

Obviously this entire message board is intimately involved with POI family in this case....IMO

Anyone interested in discussing search efforts for Haleigh?

BitterSweet

Me? Nothing about this case makes any sense AT ALL.

Too much arguing with, and debunking, theories. MOO.

So.....Where is she? Who did it? Why? WHERE IS SHE??????

IMO.....journalists do what they do. I sometimes think we hold them to some sort of special degree of investigation? Not so much. Just reporting what they hear/see (with a tad of something or more speculation).

IMO.

Mayasmimi

05-28-2009, 03:09 AM

For those who have never seen this video as reported by the WESH, Channel 2, helicopter on February 13, 2009, please take 3 minutes to do so.

For those of us who have not seen it for about 3 months, it is worthwhile viewing again.

The search for Haleigh Cummings:

http://www.wesh.com/video/18712089/index.html

[JMO * Themis]

Thanks for the repost. I have seen this before. So sad.

IMO..LE knows exactly what happend to Caylee, and the responsible person is in custody and has been charged.

This little one? Lost (don't post much) but IMO this is not random.

Just hope and pray that she's found alive, but I really don't think so. Who? I have my own theory, and think many of you think like I do.

So....will try to follow this case a little better in the near future. I do have a few down days for a week or so.

Night yall......