Wednesday, May 27, 2009 #1

[desmom]

Good Morning! :seeya:


Motion hearing tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. The hearing is in regards to the video of Casey's reaction to news of the discovery of Caylee's remains and if it will be made public.

It has also been reported JB will introduce the DP qualified attorney.

[Ckrdpast]

morning des!! cant wait till tomorrow to see what happens in the hearing--also, i'm anxiously awaiting news from Peter!!

[AMS]

Good morning everyone!

The Tale of King George and Queen Cynthia, Part VIII

http://motherclucker.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/the-tale-part-viii/


imo

[desmom]

Morning Ckrdpast!

Bringing your post over from yesterday's thread:

i've been watching an old video of George visiting Casey in jail--

if you get a chance to watch it - pay particular attention to caseys reaction at about the 5:00 minute mark-thru about 5:40

it speaks volumes to me-and i just wanna get others opinions on it

http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

I think Casey is showing true emotion at that point. George caught her off guard with his comments. Was Casey's reaction in the jail similar? If it was, I don't believe JB would be fighting the release of the tape.

JB has been very quiet the last week or two. Is it because he is concerned over the complaints filed with the bar or has the new DP qualified attorney told him to shut up?

jmo

[desmom]

Infamous Casey Pic 1 Year Old
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19573512/detail.html

The pics are from the Anything But Clothes Party.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608caseywearingflag/1/lg/l_eb88afcea008ca05e63243e1c8b0b43f.htm

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608caseywearingflag/1/lg/n501759499_447720_6516.htm

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608caseywearingflag/1/lg/n501759499_447722_8550.htm

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608caseywearingflag/1/lg/l_069fc0cfc2df8df9fa9a4b02b5d9e829.htm

[Ckrdpast]

Morning Ckrdpast!

Bringing your post over from yesterday's thread:



I think Casey is showing true emotion at that point. George caught her off guard with his comments. Was Casey's reaction in the jail similar? If it was, I don't believe JB would be fighting the release of the tape.

JB has been very quiet the last week or two. Is it because he is concerned over the complaints filed with the bar or has the new DP qualified attorney told him to shut up?

jmo


my bold--why do you think that, des?

i'm pretty sure Jose is quiet because of the bar complaints-just seems to me Jose doesnt follow ANYONES ADVICE to shut up!!

[desmom]

I just noticed in the link above Casey told friends she miscarried Brandon Snow's child on Valentine's Day. IIRC, she said Caylee's father died on Caylee's birthday. It must have been easier for Casey to keep her lies straight if she connected the event to a special day/holiday.

There is also a quote from the party host, Iassen Donov, in the article:

Donov also has a theory about what happened to Caylee.

"I think she killed her kid. I don't think anybody else was involved," he said.

Links to Donov's IM with Casey: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5803027/Casey-Anthony-Instant-messages-with-Iassen-Donov

Donov's interview with LE: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5232735/Casey-Anthony-Iassen-Donovan-Interview

[Scampi]

morning des!! cant wait till tomorrow to see what happens in the hearing--also, i'm anxiously awaiting news from Peter!!

Good morning everyone. What news are we awaiting Ckrd???

I watched that video of george and the OC also, she really lost it when george spoke about looking up at the moon and stars and thinking about Caylee. She new that little one was a few blocks from george as he gazed skyward. She is a monster.

[Ckrdpast]

Good morning everyone. What news are we awaiting Ckrd???

I watched that video of george and the OC also, she really lost it when george spoke about looking up at the moon and stars and thinking about Caylee. She new that little one was a few blocks from george as he gazed skyward. She is a monster.



http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13139643#post13139643
post #273


forgot my manners -- Good Morning, Scamp!!

[AMS]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13139643#post13139643
post #273


forgot my manners -- Good Morning, Scamp!!


Below is a follow-up post to Peter and his response from yesterday. It is the sending of the $$$ (tax-free, no doubt) to the Ant's that really annoys me. :angry: imo

Quote:
Originally Posted by AMS
Hi Peter - will you ask this guy why the CT family has the desire to support the Anthony clan and their OC daughter? TIA.

imo

I did, I did,
Our meeting has to do with other work, so I had a mllion questions and had to slow down because of that.
He told me their rich and feel sorry for the Anthony's. They send C & G money every MONTH! I couldnt believe what I was hearing.
It was really hard for me because I had to act like it wasnt the most important info in the world. lol


imo

[desmom]

my bold--why do you think that, des?

i'm pretty sure Jose is quiet because of the bar complaints-just seems to me Jose doesnt follow ANYONES ADVICE to shut up!!

Casey has been accused of being cold and/or showing no emotion over Caylee's disappearance. In the video clip you linked yesterday, I believe when George was talking about Caylee, Casey was showing true emotion.

If Casey's reaction was similar in the jail video, the release of the tape would soften Casey's hardcore appearance to the public. JB can dress her up in the most conservative clothing hoping to show a softer side to Casey. IMO, it will not happen because people will always remember Casey's behavior while "she was searching for Caylee"...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6eonppuEMEo/SOzlczP6yEI/AAAAAAAACbA/mwTHFlR8Obc/s400/casey+anthony+at+bank.jpg

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17660775/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17660926/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17656954/detail.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6eonppuEMEo/SNq62ssxoNI/AAAAAAAACOA/AlySYRotzwA/s400/caseyanthony3.jpg

and her arrest:

http://www.baynews9.com/images/news/2008/7/25/lganthony725.jpg

jmo

[Scampi]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13139643#post13139643
post #273


forgot my manners -- Good Morning, Scamp!!

WOW! Thanks for that information Ckrd and AMS. What kind of fruitloops would part with money for this bunch? Some crime family? I hope at some point their names are revealed. :mad:

Last evening on either JVM or NG, attorneys were discussing the merits of the Zanny the Nanny defense and how it was totally incredible. Also that a good DPQ attorney would ditch it, as soon as possible. However, they believed that jose was the roadblock that had to be removed first.

[Ckrdpast]

Below is a follow-up post to Peter and his response from yesterday. It is the sending of the $$$ (tax-free, no doubt) to the Ant's that really annoys me. :angry: imo
*Snipped for space*

good morning and thanks AMS--it just seems to me-*birds of a feather-flock together* and *crazy is as crazy does*


i'm more interested in the Baez part of this story!!


and des-IIRC, when LP was searching for Caylee at JBP-wasnt it reported that casey was eithering listening or watching it-and exhibited NO EMOTION-if thats the case-IMHO- casey reacting to remains found-that she KNEW were caylee-i think she was reacting to the fact that LE finally had evidence against her....

does that make sense??

[Ckrdpast]

WOW! Thanks for that information Ckrd and AMS. What kind of fruitloops would part with money for this bunch? Some crime family? I hope at some point their names are revealed. :mad:

Last evening on either JVM or NG, attorneys were discussing the merits of the Zanny the Nanny defense and how it was totally incredible. Also that a good DPQ attorney would ditch it, as soon as possible. However, they believed that jose was the roadblock that had to be removed first.

why do i get the feeling, that the reason Baez is/was waiting to announce this DPQ attorney, is because he had to interview several to find one that would agree to just sit as a "puppet" while Jose pulls all the strings and works the mouth?

[AMS]

my bold--why do you think that, des?

i'm pretty sure Jose is quiet because of the bar complaints-just seems to me Jose doesnt follow ANYONES ADVICE to shut up!!

I agree - I think it is the bar complaints too. He is is deep doo-doo imo. His ego is too big to follow the advice of others to keep his mouth shut.

imo

[AMS]

WOW! Thanks for that information Ckrd and AMS. What kind of fruitloops would part with money for this bunch? Some crime family? I hope at some point their names are revealed. :mad:

Last evening on either JVM or NG, attorneys were discussing the merits of the Zanny the Nanny defense and how it was totally incredible. Also that a good DPQ attorney would ditch it, as soon as possible. However, they believed that jose was the roadblock that had to be removed first.

Good a.m. Scampi!

Any guesses on who the DP-qualified attorney will be?


imo

[AMS]

Judge rejects killer's claim that attorney Jose Baez was 'defective'

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-lklake-judge-pitches-complaint052709may27,0,7657466.story

From the link. Bolding is mine. :sneaky:

"A Lake County judge has rejected a motion for a new trial filed on behalf of a man serving 15 years for killing a toddler and who blamed his conviction on the "defectiveness" of attorney José Baez."

imo

[Barbara fl.]

Morning Ckrdpast!

Bringing your post over from yesterday's thread:



I think Casey is showing true emotion at that point. George caught her off guard with his comments. Was Casey's reaction in the jail similar? If it was, I don't believe JB would be fighting the release of the tape.

JB has been very quiet the last week or two. Is it because he is concerned over the complaints filed with the bar or has the new DP qualified attorney told him to shut up?

jmo



Good morning all,

I agree, if Casey's reaction was simular to her reaction in the above tape, there would be no reason for Baez to fight to keep it out...She showed a little compassion for her daughter at that one moment with George.....However I'm prone to think that her reaction to Caylee's remains being found are not that compassionate and rather obviously rehearsed for that moment if it would occur...

Just like she thought thru everything else (but never the consequences) she also thought thru how she would react if told that Caylee's remains were found.....

I hope they release it to the public....so all can see....

I also believe your later reason for Baez shutting up....he was probably told to.....

[desmom]

*Snipped for space*

good morning and thanks AMS--it just seems to me-*birds of a feather-flock together* and *crazy is as crazy does*


i'm more interested in the Baez part of this story!!


and des-IIRC, when LP was searching for Caylee at JBP-wasnt it reported that casey was eithering listening or watching it-and exhibited NO EMOTION-if thats the case-IMHO- casey reacting to remains found-that she KNEW were caylee-i think she was reacting to the fact that LE finally had evidence against her....

does that make sense??

It makes sense to me. :biggrin:

I agree that is why Casey reacted, but I think JB could twist it and say Casey was reacting to a baby's body being found that close to her home and she feared it was her precious daughter, Caylee. IMO, those that believe in Casey's innocence will see it as a grieving Casey and not a panicked Casey.

[Barbara fl.]

why do i get the feeling, that the reason Baez is/was waiting to announce this DPQ attorney, is because he had to interview several to find one that would agree to just sit as a "puppet" while Jose pulls all the strings and works the mouth?

I agree...Baez is not giving up that seat for anyone or anything.....He didn't go thru all this to take a back seat....He has to find that puppet, but I doubt that it is going to be easy.....

[Barbara fl.]

*Snipped for space*

good morning and thanks AMS--it just seems to me-*birds of a feather-flock together* and *crazy is as crazy does*


i'm more interested in the Baez part of this story!!


and des-IIRC, when LP was searching for Caylee at JBP-wasnt it reported that casey was eithering listening or watching it-and exhibited NO EMOTION-if thats the case-IMHO- casey reacting to remains found-that she KNEW were caylee-i think she was reacting to the fact that LE finally had evidence against her....

does that make sense??


That is my therory as well....I believe that she was under the impresson that "no body, no case"....although she was wrong, it would have been alot tougher to convict on muder one without a body.....Which is why the whole family was on a crusade to prove Caylee was still alive (with all those staged sightings).....Once the body was discovered Casey knew it was the end for her....and that would have been the reaction she showed....

This is a woman who partied while her child "supposedly" was missing, who never reported her child missing, who lied to LE about having spoken to her daughter the very day that she was finally reported missing.....(that was her last attempt to try and convince everyone that Caylee was indeed alive), she probably thought that LE would believe her and call off the search....But it didn't work....

[lizzard]

Judge rejects killer's claim that attorney Jose Baez was 'defective'

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-lklake-judge-pitches-complaint052709may27,0,7657466.story

From the link. Bolding is mine. :sneaky:

"A Lake County judge has rejected a motion for a new trial filed on behalf of a man serving 15 years for killing a toddler and who blamed his conviction on the "defectiveness" of attorney José Baez."

imo

Happy Tuesday, all :seeya:

I don't know enough about the case to decide how I feel about the motion being rejected, but I sure do like seeing 'Jose Baez' and 'defective' in the same sentence. :thumbsup:

[Peter]

Happy Tuesday, all :seeya:

I don't know enough about the case to decide how I feel about the motion being rejected, but I sure do like seeing 'Jose Baez' and 'defective' in the same sentence. :thumbsup:

Hi Lizzie, I'm going out now to verify my info, you my dear will be the first to know. Good Morning all!
BBL:wub:

[lizzard]

Hi Lizzie, I'm going out now to verify my info, you my dear will be the first to know. Good Morning all!
BBL:wub:

Thank you, m'darlin. :wub: I await with baited breath. (I never understood why people say that, sounds like they've been eating worms.)

IMO

[Explorer]

Below is a follow-up post to Peter and his response from yesterday. It is the sending of the $$$ (tax-free, no doubt) to the Ant's that really annoys me. :angry: imo

Quote:
Originally Posted by AMS
Hi Peter - will you ask this guy why the CT family has the desire to support the Anthony clan and their OC daughter? TIA.

imo

I did, I did,
Our meeting has to do with other work, so I had a mllion questions and had to slow down because of that.
He told me their rich and feel sorry for the Anthony's. They send C & G money every MONTH! I couldnt believe what I was hearing.
It was really hard for me because I had to act like it wasnt the most important info in the world. lol


imo

A fool and his money are soon parted:biggrin:

[Explorer]

Im applying what Dr. Bethany said about people who send casey money... someone who doesnt mind child abuse, someone that wants them all to themselves someone who wants to have dangerous sex with a dangerous person

[Dick Tracy]

Dick Tracy clocking in. 06:40am pacific.

Who the heck has baited breath in here... phew.

[Lavinia]

Thank you, m'darlin. :wub: I await with baited breath. (I never understood why people say that, sounds like they've been eating worms.)

IMO

It's BATED, silly lizzard!

Bated:

1. To lessen the force or intensity of; moderate: "To his dying day he bated his breath a little when he told the story" George Eliot. See Usage Note at bait1.
2. To take away; subtract.

[summer4meplz]

good morning all....i hope jose doesn't call in 'sick' tomorrow like conway did.....

[apothecary]

It's BATED, silly lizzard!

Bated:

1. To lessen the force or intensity of; moderate: "To his dying day he bated his breath a little when he told the story" George Eliot. See Usage Note at bait1.
2. To take away; subtract.
Wow,I thought it was "baited breath" as well.Gee learn something every day.:laugh:

[Explorer]

It's BATED, silly lizzard!

Bated:

1. To lessen the force or intensity of; moderate: "To his dying day he bated his breath a little when he told the story" George Eliot. See Usage Note at bait1.
2. To take away; subtract.

you posters crack me up:thumbsup: silly lizzard:thumbsup:

[lizzard]

Dick Tracy clocking in. 06:40am pacific.

Who the heck has baited breath in here... phew.

lizziegirl: fishing?

[msgatorslayer]

G'morning everyone!

5k a month to the Anthony's? For what? Geez. I can understand some sympathy back in the day when they were fake searching and couldn't work but does this mystery family plan on taking care of the Anthony's for the rest of their life because their Daughter killed their Grand Daughter. They need to get back to work!!! :cursing:

[Explorer]

G'morning everyone!

5k a month to the Anthony's? For what? Geez. I can understand some sympathy back in the day when they were fake searching and couldn't work but does this mystery family plan on taking care of the Anthony's for the rest of their life because their Daughter killed their Grand Daughter. They need to get back to work!!! :cursing:

Maybe they killed a few themselves.

[Dick Tracy]

lizziegirl: fishing?

LMAO... It's okay now. I got used to it.... :laugh:

[lizzard]

It's BATED, silly lizzard!

Bated:

1. To lessen the force or intensity of; moderate: "To his dying day he bated his breath a little when he told the story" George Eliot. See Usage Note at bait1.
2. To take away; subtract.

Well shet mah mouth! I feel lower than a stomped-on toad frog :blushing:

Thanks, I am now smarter than I was when I got up this morning.:thumbsup:

[Lavinia]

Well shet mah mouth! I feel lower than a stomped-on toad frog :blushing:

Thanks, I am now smarter than I was when I got up this morning.:thumbsup:

That is no reason in this world to feel as low as a stomped on frog. Rise again lizzard. We :wub: you!

[AMS]

Has anyone heard any updates on who took the Caylee memorial?

http://www.wftv.com/news/19570665/detail.html

imo

[lizzard]

That is no reason in this world to feel as low as a stomped on frog. Rise again lizzard. We :wub: you!

Awwwww. Backatcha. :wub:

[Dells]

Good Morning! :seeya:


Motion hearing tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. The hearing is in regards to the video of Casey's reaction to news of the discovery of Caylee's remains and if it will be made public.

It has also been reported JB will introduce the DP qualified attorney.

Good morning and thanks so much for the new thread. :seeya:

Tomorrow should be a very interesting day to say the least! Can't wait to see if that tape will finally be released and I am very interested to hear who the new DPQ attorney will be.

[desmom]

Has anyone heard any updates on who took the Caylee memorial?

http://www.wftv.com/news/19570665/detail.html

imo

I have not seen any reports. I thought maybe it was the city or county. The items were probably getting pretty shabby from the elements. jmo

[apothecary]

I always imagined a cat waiting outside a mousehole with cheese on its breath.ie baited breath.I am now enlightened and can no longer use that visual.:biggrin:

[shelkobe]

I just noticed in the link above Casey told friends she miscarried Brandon Snow's child on Valentine's Day. IIRC, she said Caylee's father died on Caylee's birthday. It must have been easier for Casey to keep her lies straight if she connected the event to a special day/holiday.

There is also a quote from the party host, Iassen Donov, in the article:

Donov also has a theory about what happened to Caylee.

"I think she killed her kid. I don't think anybody else was involved," he said.

Links to Donov's IM with Casey: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5803027/Casey-Anthony-Instant-messages-with-Iassen-Donov

Donov's interview with LE: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5232735/Casey-Anthony-Iassen-Donovan-Interview
I bolded what I think is a great observation of yours, Desmom. She was lying on a regular basis and to too many people, so using holidays helped her keep track of her lies.

[MorningGlory]

*Snipped for space*

good morning and thanks AMS--it just seems to me-*birds of a feather-flock together* and *crazy is as crazy does*


i'm more interested in the Baez part of this story!!


and des-IIRC, when LP was searching for Caylee at JBP-wasnt it reported that casey was eithering listening or watching it-and exhibited NO EMOTION-if thats the case-IMHO- casey reacting to remains found-that she KNEW were caylee-i think she was reacting to the fact that LE finally had evidence against her....

does that make sense??

Good morning and happy early hump day to all thanks to a nice 3 day weekend!
ITA Ckrdpast. I think it will be a powerful contrast to show a jury - her nonchalant and cocky "they haven't even found her clothes yet" as she strolls back to her "room" to have another pork rind, when they thought they may have found something at BLANCHARD PARK, exactly where the OC says Caylee was TAKEN from her (second version of her story)....
to the hyperventilating, out of control, "medicate me" reaction to "skeletal remains", not close to being identified yet, being found near the A's home - which is no where near where the OC claims Caylee was last seen. I don't suppose there is video of the first reaction, but there are witness accounts, and I hope that the stark contrast in these two reactions will be shockingly and chillingly clear to the jury.

[Dells]

WOW! Thanks for that information Ckrd and AMS. What kind of fruitloops would part with money for this bunch? Some crime family? I hope at some point their names are revealed. :mad:

Last evening on either JVM or NG, attorneys were discussing the merits of the Zanny the Nanny defense and how it was totally incredible. Also that a good DPQ attorney would ditch it, as soon as possible. However, they believed that jose was the roadblock that had to be removed first.

Of course the Zanny the nanny defense is absurd and totally unbelievable. I can't believe that any good DPQ attorney would come on board if that is going to be the defense strategy. Maybe that is why is has taken the defense team so long to find someone willing to come on board? It will be interesting to see if anything changes in terms of the defense once this new attorney comes on board. If they continue to stick w/the nanny story, then at the very least, Casey will get LWOP, but very possibly could get the DP as well.

[Dells]

Hi Lizzie, I'm going out now to verify my info, you my dear will be the first to know. Good Morning all!
BBL:wub:

Good morning and hurry back!:w00t:

[Zarina]

my bold--why do you think that, des?

i'm pretty sure Jose is quiet because of the bar complaints-just seems to me Jose doesnt follow ANYONES ADVICE to shut up!!

Ckrdpast,
I don't know if you were asking for opinion from a particlar person, But do you mind if add mine ?

I do not see that part of the video as true emotion.

I see it as George's words hitting a nerve with Casey & she is feeling deep guilt. As the conversation continues, it becomes all about Me,Me,Me again with Casey.

Just my opinion
Thanks

[missinglink]

Oh carp, I'm scared!!!

I just sent Cindy an email.

I didn't say what I wanted to REALLY say, but instead just asked a few questions.

My heart is pounding to beat 90. LOL.

Can't wait for court tomorrow...

[Explorer]

I always imagined a cat waiting outside a mousehole with cheese on its breath.ie baited breath.I am now enlightened and can no longer use that visual.:biggrin:

i NEVER knew what the heck that meant. I thought it was beaded breath.

[MissouriGMom]

Oh carp, I'm scared!!!

I just sent Cindy an email.

I didn't say what I wanted to REALLY say, but instead just asked a few questions.

My heart is pounding to beat 90. LOL.

Can't wait for court tomorrow...

You're very brave, missy! What were your questions? Let us know when she replies. You know she will!

[Ckrdpast]

Good morning and happy early hump day to all thanks to a nice 3 day weekend!
ITA Ckrdpast. I think it will be a powerful contrast to show a jury - her nonchalant and cocky "they haven't even found her clothes yet" as she strolls back to her "room" to have another pork rind, when they thought they may have found something at BLANCHARD PARK, exactly where the OC says Caylee was TAKEN from her (second version of her story)....
to the hyperventilating, out of control, "medicate me" reaction to "skeletal remains", not close to being identified yet, being found near the A's home - which is no where near where the OC claims Caylee was last seen. I don't suppose there is video of the first reaction, but there are witness accounts, and I hope that the stark contrast in these two reactions will be shockingly and chillingly clear to the jury.

im pretty sure there is no video of her reaction while LP was searching at JBP-i was wanting to compare the video that the hearing is about - with her reaction in the "george jailhouse video"

http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html watch closely at the 5 minute mark till about 5:41 (if you havent viewed it lately)---it shows me raw emotion - almost like she wants to "confess" to george for a fleeting moment--

that emotion seems to end when george brings up Cindy

[missinglink]

i NEVER knew what the heck that meant. I thought it was beaded breath.

Too funny! Reminds me of when my daughter was little and the basketball coach would say "Let's nip this in the bud", and she thought the coach was saying "Nip it in the butt!"

I hope that Cindy doesn't give anyone the Lee tomorrow. :w00t:

[Pam1569]

I am so waiting for tomorrow and the hearing. I want to find out who this DPQ attorney is going to be. He/She must have had JB finally be quiet, personally I didn't think it would happen. I do have a question bugging me though. Would the new DPQ attorney be able to talk her into a plea and would he/she be able to get her to agree? I mean Lenamon back when he was on the case stated in his 30 page brief that it could have been an accident. Now that JB has been saying for so long that it wasn't because she is innocent and he knows his girl better than anything. Just strikes me with all the silence that it might be possible that the new lead attorney will let her exactly understand what she is up against and tell her this is the way to go and plead out on the Murder 1 charge so she will not get the DP. Or do you think that she is still listening to JB and think she can actually pull this off and get out of jail? :confused:

[lizzard]

I always imagined a cat waiting outside a mousehole with cheese on its breath.ie baited breath.I am now enlightened and can no longer use that visual.:biggrin:

That was my vision too~must be the Quinte air!:thumbsup:

[shelkobe]

morning des!! cant wait till tomorrow to see what happens in the hearing--also, i'm anxiously awaiting news from Peter!!
I saw Peter's post and I wanted to bring this up. Does anyone on here remember very early on in the case, there was a poster here who supported Casey and said that there was another website/board consisting of professionals, primarily people in the legal profession (but from other walks of life), who believed that Casey deserved the best defense and they were raising money to help her defense? I know I read this on here but he didn't seem to post very long.

[Explorer]

Too funny! Reminds me of when my daughter was little and the basketball coach would say "Let's nip this in the bud", and she thought the coach was saying "Nip it in the butt!"

I hope that Cindy doesn't give anyone the Lee tomorrow. :w00t:

OMG that is sooo cute. I love little kids.

[Explorer]

It reminds me of mhen mine was little she was brushing her teeth and asks Mommy hand me the GLISTERINE!

[missinglink]

You're very brave, missy! What were your questions? Let us know when she replies. You know she will!

Let's see if I can remember a few without looking at my sent mail.

1. Would they have done anything different last June when Casey and Caylee left?

2. Would a conviction convince her of Casey's guilt?

3. Were they concerned that Casey might throw them under the bus at trial?

4. Were they afraid of her when she was out on bond or afraid of her now?

5. I did tell them I was sorry about Caylee's murder, and that even though I don't like the death penalty for anyone, I hope Casey gets LWOP, and that I would go see Casey in jail, not matter what, if she was my daughter.

I doubt she writes me back. My husband is going to kill me when he finds out I wrote Cindy! LOL!

[Ckrdpast]

Ckrdpast,
I don't know if you were asking for opinion from a particlar person, But do you mind if add mine ?

I do not see that part of the video as true emotion.

I see it as George's words hitting a nerve with Casey & she is feeling deep guilt. As the conversation continues, it becomes all about Me,Me,Me again with Casey.

Just my opinion
Thanks


yes, Zarina, as the conversation continues it does become *all about casey* again

but GUILT is an emotion-

the question is WHY is she feeling GUILT?

most of us know why-

to me-That little piece of video is the closest we will get to a confession

imo

[Ckrdpast]

I saw Peter's post and I wanted to bring this up. Does anyone on here remember very early on in the case, there was a poster here who supported Casey and said that there was another website/board consisting of professionals, primarily people in the legal profession (but from other walks of life), who believed that Casey deserved the best defense and they were raising money to help her defense? I know I read this on here but he didn't seem to post very long.

i seem to remember that as well, shelkobe, but i think that poster was banned - and sometimes when a poster gets banned - all of their posts go *poof* as well

could it have been DG?

[desmom]

Good morning and happy early hump day to all thanks to a nice 3 day weekend!
ITA Ckrdpast. I think it will be a powerful contrast to show a jury - her nonchalant and cocky "they haven't even found her clothes yet" as she strolls back to her "room" to have another pork rind, when they thought they may have found something at BLANCHARD PARK, exactly where the OC says Caylee was TAKEN from her (second version of her story)....
to the hyperventilating, out of control, "medicate me" reaction to "skeletal remains", not close to being identified yet, being found near the A's home - which is no where near where the OC claims Caylee was last seen. I don't suppose there is video of the first reaction, but there are witness accounts, and I hope that the stark contrast in these two reactions will be shockingly and chillingly clear to the jury.

Casey's reactions and comments about discovery and the investigation were caught a couple of times.

The "haven't even found her clothes" was made when Casey was out on bail according to Lenny. It was overheard by one of the people Lenny had in the house. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/18/ng.01.html

Drew Petrimoulx of WDBO told NG Casey was watching the dive search Lenny had organized. When they discovered the bones, Casey turned around and went back to her cell with no reaction. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/13/ng.01.html

And the video of Case having a panic attack when she was told about the discovery in December.

Can anyone think of any other time her reactions were witnessed? TIA

[Dells]

yes, Zarina, as the conversation continues it does become *all about casey* again

but GUILT is an emotion-

the question is WHY is she feeling GUILT?

most of us know why-

to me-That little piece of video is the closest we will get to a confession

imo

Bolding mine...

And probably the closest thing to showing remorse that we will get as well.:sneaky:

[summer4meplz]

I bolded what I think is a great observation of yours, Desmom. She was lying on a regular basis and to too many people, so using holidays helped her keep track of her lies.


interesting that the one time something REALLY did happen was on Father's Day and yet.....she didn't use that as a reminder....

[Pruddennce]

That is my therory as well....I believe that she was under the impresson that "no body, no case"....although she was wrong, it would have been alot tougher to convict on muder one without a body.....Which is why the whole family was on a crusade to prove Caylee was still alive (with all those staged sightings).....Once the body was discovered Casey knew it was the end for her....and that would have been the reaction she showed....

This is a woman who partied while her child "supposedly" was missing, who never reported her child missing, who lied to LE about having spoken to her daughter the very day that she was finally reported missing.....(that was her last attempt to try and convince everyone that Caylee was indeed alive), she probably thought that LE would believe her and call off the search....But it didn't work....

I agree with your entire post Barbara. Casey was convinced by various individuals that if there was no body, it was ALL CIRCUMSTANTIAL that she was deceased and most likely she will 'get off'.

It may very well be a circumstantial case as well with her remains, however, there is overwhelming CE to lead the jurors to only one conclusion: she murdered Caylee.

every now and then, for instance, this morning, we see links of evidence as to how she was interacting with friends....Iassen. here is she is chatting about her love life, claiming her nanny was someone she knew for SIX YEARS, pays her alot of money (which she doesnt have, and of course she has no income, no job), talking about her love life, wondering what to cook for dinner......said conversation occurring right before she is located......

these text messages are going to nail her. no doubt about it.

the pros has alot of work to do putting these text msgs in order, leading up to her being 'located without Caylee'......

we still havent seen the entire phone records of Cindy along with Mark Hawkins. nor Mark's statement.

there is alot we havent seen. Im confidant what they do have and not releasing is devastating to the defense.

Baez is, IMO, having a difficult time obtaining DP representation for her, most likely because of lack of funds.

its an interesting case because Casey provided names, places and indepth descriptions to LE and her family of 'the nanny, her family/friends'.....the defense investigators could not locate anyone. the anthonys investigators could not locate them either. because they dont exist.

that is what the defense has to work with....ghosts. and those ghosts are what the pros is going to keep bringing up, that there is no evidence these people existed, and no reason to have a nanny, day in/day out because she was unemployed since the better part of 2006.

and:

-from June 16 on she is sending global msgs to friends about Fusion
-she is there a few days later, friday nite, boot stomping, dancing and posing and having a great time

but most devasting: a few hours later she is at the video store with Tony renting movies. never called to report her missing. went on with her life as if nothing happened.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Dells]

interesting that the one time something REALLY did happen was on Father's Day and yet.....she didn't use that as a reminder....

Maybe because it was too close to the truth.:sneaky:

[Ckrdpast]

bolding mine...

And probably the closest thing to showing remorse that we will get as well.:sneaky:



absolutely!!

[missinglink]

Bolding mine...

And probably the closest thing to showing remorse that we will get as well.:sneaky:

I've always wondered how she's going to act as the verdict is read.

[missinglink]

I agree with your entire post Barbara. Casey was convinced by various individuals that if there was no body, it was ALL CIRCUMSTANTIAL that she was deceased and most likely she will 'get off'.

It may very well be a circumstantial case as well with her remains, however, there is overwhelming CE to lead the jurors to only one conclusion: she murdered Caylee.

every now and then, for instance, this morning, we see links of evidence as to how she was interacting with friends....Iassen. here is she is chatting about her love life, claiming her nanny was someone she knew for SIX YEARS, pays her alot of money (which she doesnt have, and of course she has no income, no job), talking about her love life, wondering what to cook for dinner......said conversation occurring right before she is located......

these text messages are going to nail her. no doubt about it.

the pros has alot of work to do putting these text msgs in order, leading up to her being 'located without Caylee'......

we still havent seen the entire phone records of Cindy along with Mark Hawkins. nor Mark's statement.

there is alot we havent seen. Im confidant what they do have and not releasing is devastating to the defense.

Baez is, IMO, having a difficult time obtaining DP representation for her, most likely because of lack of funds.

its an interesting case because Casey provided names, places and indepth descriptions to LE and her family of 'the nanny, her family/friends'.....the defense investigators could not locate anyone. the anthonys investigators could not locate them either. because they dont exist.

that is what the defense has to work with....ghosts. and those ghosts are what the pros is going to keep bringing up, that there is no evidence these people existed, and no reason to have a nanny, day in/day out because she was unemployed since the better part of 2006.

and:

-from June 16 on she is sending global msgs to friends about Fusion
-she is there a few days later, friday nite, boot stomping, dancing and posing and having a great time

but most devasting: a few hours later she is at the video store with Tony renting movies. never called to report her missing. went on with her life as if nothing happened.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

As always an excellent post. Can I have you autograph? :loveeyes:

[Ckrdpast]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/newsletter/orl-bk-casey-anthony-new-attorney-hearing-052709,0,2025710.story

Casey Anthony's new attorney to be revealed Thursday

*snipped*

Thursday's hearing will focus on several requests filed by Baez. He wants cell phone records, including any photos and text messages, from a dozen people, including Casey Anthony's parents, friends, the meter reader who found Caylee's remains, and the deputy who overlooked a tip.

Some are fighting the request, saying it's too broad and violates their privacy.

The judge will also hear arguments about why the state should or should not release video of Anthony at the jail the day she learned a child's remains were found near her home. Jail officers reported she hyperventilated.

Baez also wants jail officials to stop monitoring and disclosing any communication between Casey Anthony and her defense team

[101Spots]

I've always wondered how she's going to act as the verdict is read.

Collapse into Jose's arms, perhaps? Something dramatic, no doubt.

I'd be more interested to see the camera focus on Cindy and George. It's my nasty streak, I suppose........

[Barbara fl.]

I agree with your entire post Barbara. Casey was convinced by various individuals that if there was no body, it was ALL CIRCUMSTANTIAL that she was deceased and most likely she will 'get off'.

It may very well be a circumstantial case as well with her remains, however, there is overwhelming CE to lead the jurors to only one conclusion: she murdered Caylee.

every now and then, for instance, this morning, we see links of evidence as to how she was interacting with friends....Iassen. here is she is chatting about her love life, claiming her nanny was someone she knew for SIX YEARS, pays her alot of money (which she doesnt have, and of course she has no income, no job), talking about her love life, wondering what to cook for dinner......said conversation occurring right before she is located......

these text messages are going to nail her. no doubt about it.

the pros has alot of work to do putting these text msgs in order, leading up to her being 'located without Caylee'......

we still havent seen the entire phone records of Cindy along with Mark Hawkins. nor Mark's statement.

there is alot we havent seen. Im confidant what they do have and not releasing is devastating to the defense.

Baez is, IMO, having a difficult time obtaining DP representation for her, most likely because of lack of funds.

its an interesting case because Casey provided names, places and indepth descriptions to LE and her family of 'the nanny, her family/friends'.....the defense investigators could not locate anyone. the anthonys investigators could not locate them either. because they dont exist.

that is what the defense has to work with....ghosts. and those ghosts are what the pros is going to keep bringing up, that there is no evidence these people existed, and no reason to have a nanny, day in/day out because she was unemployed since the better part of 2006.

and:

-from June 16 on she is sending global msgs to friends about Fusion
-she is there a few days later, friday nite, boot stomping, dancing and posing and having a great time

but most devasting: a few hours later she is at the video store with Tony renting movies. never called to report her missing. went on with her life as if nothing happened.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

You are so right....the way I see it, is that Casey was arrested for murder one way before a body was found, or ever even thought to be found.....so LE must have had a whole lot of evidence without a body that would have proven that Caylee was indeed deceased......the finding of the body was good to shut all of the defense and Cindy and George up as to all those sightings and will serve as "no room for doubt" in the juries minds.....Because, at the time, the defense was going to be that Caylee was still alive, so all the forensics have to be wrong.....but now all the forensics fall right into place....(the trunk of Casey's car) which leaves no one else to blame but Casey and absolutely no defense stradegy that will hold up....

Any DPQ lawyer that is concerned about his reputation will want Casey to plead guilty....so it's going to be even tougher for this defense team to find a DPQ attorney that will be willing to go along with their ludicrous ideas.....

[desmom]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/newsletter/orl-bk-casey-anthony-new-attorney-hearing-052709,0,2025710.story

Casey Anthony's new attorney to be revealed Thursday

*snipped*

Thursday's hearing will focus on several requests filed by Baez. He wants cell phone records, including any photos and text messages, from a dozen people, including Casey Anthony's parents, friends, the meter reader who found Caylee's remains, and the deputy who overlooked a tip.

Some are fighting the request, saying it's too broad and violates their privacy.

The judge will also hear arguments about why the state should or should not release video of Anthony at the jail the day she learned a child's remains were found near her home. Jail officers reported she hyperventilated.

Baez also wants jail officials to stop monitoring and disclosing any communication between Casey Anthony and her defense team

Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day. :thumbsup:

[Barbara fl.]

I've always wondered how she's going to act as the verdict is read.



She's probably rehearsing in her cell....

[lizzard]

I've always wondered how she's going to act as the verdict is read.

I think we will more of the same 'worry about it tomorrow' attitude. Look at Baez, shrug, fix hair and adjust clothes.
imo

[Barbara fl.]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/newsletter/orl-bk-casey-anthony-new-attorney-hearing-052709,0,2025710.story

Casey Anthony's new attorney to be revealed Thursday

*snipped*

Thursday's hearing will focus on several requests filed by Baez. He wants cell phone records, including any photos and text messages, from a dozen people, including Casey Anthony's parents, friends, the meter reader who found Caylee's remains, and the deputy who overlooked a tip.

Some are fighting the request, saying it's too broad and violates their privacy.

The judge will also hear arguments about why the state should or should not release video of Anthony at the jail the day she learned a child's remains were found near her home. Jail officers reported she hyperventilated.

Baez also wants jail officials to stop monitoring and disclosing any communication between Casey Anthony and her defense team


I believe that Baez will have to show just cause for wanting some of those peoples phone records...and I doubt that he will be able to come up with a good enough reason.....Cindy and George's phone records should not need a court order, they should submit them on their own...but as for the meter reader....what reason could they possibly have to show the court that they are needed? If I was Kronk, I wouldn't give them anything at all.....

[shelkobe]

i seem to remember that as well, shelkobe, but i think that poster was banned - and sometimes when a poster gets banned - all of their posts go *poof* as well

could it have been DG?
I'm so glad somebody else remembers. I really don't think it was DG because I remember getting the sense that the poster was male. Also I remember the poster's writing being somewhat dry, compared to the short quips and smart-alecky style of DG. But that's just what I can recall.

[Dunlurken]

I am so waiting for tomorrow and the hearing. I want to find out who this DPQ attorney is going to be. He/She must have had JB finally be quiet, personally I didn't think it would happen. I do have a question bugging me though. Would the new DPQ attorney be able to talk her into a plea and would he/she be able to get her to agree? I mean Lenamon back when he was on the case stated in his 30 page brief that it could have been an accident. Now that JB has been saying for so long that it wasn't because she is innocent and he knows his girl better than anything. Just strikes me with all the silence that it might be possible that the new lead attorney will let her exactly understand what she is up against and tell her this is the way to go and plead out on the Murder 1 charge so she will not get the DP. Or do you think that she is still listening to JB and think she can actually pull this off and get out of jail? :confused:

Morning all.

The plea was taken off the table. Too late to cop a plea now. JMO. Can't wait to see who the attorney will be.

[desmom]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/newsletter/orl-bk-casey-anthony-new-attorney-hearing-052709,0,2025710.story

Casey Anthony's new attorney to be revealed Thursday

*snipped to address below*


The judge will also hear arguments about why the state should or should not release video of Anthony at the jail the day she learned a child's remains were found near her home. Jail officers reported she hyperventilated.

Baez also wants jail officials to stop monitoring and disclosing any communication between Casey Anthony and her defense team

JB wants the jail officials to stop monitoring communications between him and Casey. Does that include the videotaping?

JB originally threatened to sue anyone involved with videotaping the conversation that took place between him and Casey.

March 11 - http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18901068/detail.html#-

In a court document filed by Baez on Tuesday, he acknowledged the video, mentioning what he called an "unauthorized videotaping of the defendant's counsel while meeting with the defendant," Local 6 News reported.

Prominent local defense attorney Mark NeJame, who once represented Anthony's parents, said it is not illegal for the jail to record visits.

"It might be bothersome, but it's surely not anything unordinary to the extent that routinely all that I can remember in 28 years of jail visits, we're always watched and there's no expectation of privacy in the jail," NeJame said.

[missinglink]

My email to Cindy came back. It says "failure notice" and "mailbox quota exceeded".

What does that mean? Her address is cindy@gator.com, isn't it?

[Barbara fl.]

I think we will more of the same 'worry about it tomorrow' attitude. Look at Baez, shrug, fix hair and adjust clothes.
imo


Could be your right....she probably wont want to give anyone the satisfaction that it's killing her......I hope she is thinking about never seeing the outside world again...no clubs, no boyfriends, no stealing everyones money....Just being in prison, day after day, week after week, year after year.....That is satisfaction enough for me....:biggrin:

[happygert]

Hi everyone.. Is there a hearing today? If so does anyone know what time? Thanks

[summer4meplz]

My email to Cindy came back. It says "failure notice" and "mailbox quota exceeded".

What does that mean? Her address is cindy@gator.com, isn't it?


it must be her thousands of supporters have filled up her mailbox

[summer4meplz]

Hi everyone.. Is there a hearing today? If so does anyone know what time? Thanks


Hi Happy! tomorrow @ 10.....9 okie time

[Dunlurken]

I believe that Baez will have to show just cause for wanting some of those peoples phone records...and I doubt that he will be able to come up with a good enough reason.....Cindy and George's phone records should not need a court order, they should submit them on their own...but as for the meter reader....what reason could they possibly have to show the court that they are needed? If I was Kronk, I wouldn't give them anything at all.....

If I was Kronk I would give them anything they wanted. Not important who he talked to personally. What is important is the phone calls he made when finding the body several times, and LE didn't respond correctly. JMO.

[Dells]

She's probably rehearsing in her cell....

Well, she certainly has the time to do so...

[desmom]

Hi everyone.. Is there a hearing today? If so does anyone know what time? Thanks

Tomorrow 10:00 a.m. EST.

[Barbara fl.]

My email to Cindy came back. It says "failure notice" and "mailbox quota exceeded".

What does that mean? Her address is cindy@gator.com, isn't it?

She probably hasn't been clearing out her box lately.....wow she must have alot of mail.....

[Ckrdpast]

I believe that Baez will have to show just cause for wanting some of those peoples phone records...and I doubt that he will be able to come up with a good enough reason.....Cindy and George's phone records should not need a court order, they should submit them on their own...but as for the meter reader....what reason could they possibly have to show the court that they are needed? If I was Kronk, I wouldn't give them anything at all.....


i have some suspicisions about George's phone records--which is tied to Kronks phone records as well..

i guess everyone is suspect to me in this case:huh:

[shelkobe]

interesting that the one time something REALLY did happen was on Father's Day and yet.....she didn't use that as a reminder....
OMG good point!!!

(Although I think it's sad that Father's Day really wasn't celebrated in that home. Even a quick firing up of the grill for lunch or dinner. Or maybe bake a batch of brownies for FD's dessert.)

[101Spots]

My email to Cindy came back. It says "failure notice" and "mailbox quota exceeded".

What does that mean? Her address is cindy@gator.com, isn't it?

I believe it's cindy@dgator.com.

[missinglink]

it must be her thousands of supporters have filled up her mailbox

LOL! Thank you much. I might try again some other time.

[101Spots]

If I was Kronk I would give them anything they wanted. Not important who he talked to personally. What is important is the phone calls he made when finding the body several times, and LE didn't respond correctly. JMO.

Unless he has something to hide.

[desmom]

If I was Kronk I would give them anything they wanted. Not important who he talked to personally. What is important is the phone calls he made when finding the body several times, and LE didn't respond correctly. JMO.

bolding mine.... IMO, is why all of these people do not want to turn over their phone records to JB.

[Barbara fl.]

If I was Kronk I would give them anything they wanted. Not important who he talked to personally. What is important is the phone calls he made when finding the body several times, and LE didn't respond correctly. JMO.

Those message's are fine, but for the defense to request all his phone records is an invasion of privacy.....I believe that the defense is looking to see if he has any connections to someone that may have led him to the body......they are fishing of course...because if Kronk had been informed in anyway what so ever, i'm sure the body would have been located long before it was.....

It goes to show that this defense has no defense at all....they are lost...

[Dunlurken]

Unless he has something to hide.

What could he possibly have to hide? Just curious about your theory.

And, why on earth would anyone want to contact Cindy via e-mail? (Not directed at you.)

[happygert]

Hi Happy! tomorrow @ 10.....9 okie time

Thanks.. My days are all screwed up was thinking today was Thursday..LOL.. am I reading right jb is stepping down as lead? WOW! wonder if it was voluntary? IMO he may be stepping down in the public's eye. But my guess is he'll be pulling all the strings.. be his way or the highway . BTW nice seeing you summer

[Dunlurken]

Those message's are fine, but for the defense to request all his phone records is an invasion of privacy.....I believe that the defense is looking to see if he has any connections to someone that may have led him to the body......they are fishing of course...because if Kronk had been informed in anyway what so ever, i'm sure the body would have been located long before it was.....

It goes to show that this defense has no defense at all....they are lost...

Exactly. So just turn your stuff over and be done with it.

Although he did call LE back in August when he thought he found something suspicious. Defense had better be very careful what they ask for. They just might get it. Proof that the body was there. JMO.

[penguinlady]

<<snipped>>

it shows me raw emotion - almost like she wants to "confess" to george for a fleeting moment--

that emotion seems to end when george brings up Cindy

I agree with that. You can practically see her spine stiffen at that point.

IMO
K!

[shelkobe]

If I was Kronk I would give them anything they wanted. Not important who he talked to personally. What is important is the phone calls he made when finding the body several times, and LE didn't respond correctly. JMO.
I don't blame him for keeping out personal phone numbers. Baez is looking for reasonable doubt, perhaps he feels he can find phone numbers in Kronk's record that he can use to create reasonable doubt. But Kronk is only involved in this case as the finder of Caylee. He shouldn't have all his personal business thrown out there in an attempt to have fingers pointed at him.

[Dunlurken]

Thanks.. My days are all screwed up was thinking today was Thursday..LOL.. am I reading right jb is stepping down as lead? WOW! wonder if it was voluntary? IMO he may be stepping down in the public's eye. But my guess is he'll be pulling all the strings.. be his way or the highway . BTW nice seeing you summer

He's not "death qualified". He has no choice.

[breezie]

Unless he has something to hide.

Would you want Baez to have unlimited access to your life and your friends? Trying to make something from nothing to free Casey? Not me. He needs to put some parameters on his request. That's all Kronk and the others are asking for. I think they deserve it myself.

[Barbara fl.]

i have some suspicisions about George's phone records--which is tied to Kronks phone records as well..

i guess everyone is suspect to me in this case:huh:




Well there is only one suspect in my mind...."Casey".....I don't believe in this big master mind cover up of a 2 year old child's murder.....I believe the cover up came strictly from Casey's family who are so desperately trying to get her freed....

I can not think of anyone in their right mind that would be doing anything oddly with this murdered child's body.....jmo

[nana6]

I've always wondered how she's going to act as the verdict is read.

I think she will sit there stoned faced as most of the killers we see do. No emotion,cold dark eyes and probably not a glance towards her family either.

[Dunlurken]

Anyone know if LKB is death qualified in Florida?

And for the old timers around here..... Alan Jackson (AJ)...... which trial was that? Spector? I watched him on a show the other night and couldn't remember which trial he was the lead attorney. I know it was Orange County.

[missinglink]

What could he possibly have to hide? Just curious about your theory.

And, why on earth would anyone want to contact Cindy via e-mail? (Not directed at you.)

Maybe that last question was directed at me.

Because she encouraged it by putting her email address out there.

AND...I had a few questions to ask her. Plus, I wanted to tell her about how sorry I was for Caylee's murder. That's my answer.

[Barbara fl.]

I think she will sit there stoned faced as most of the killers we see do. No emotion,cold dark eyes and probably not a glance towards her family either.


Just like Scott Peterson.....I wonder if Casey has been looking into which prison she will be going to when this is all over.....

[Ckrdpast]

Well there is only one suspect in my mind...."Casey".....I don't believe in this big master mind cover up of a 2 year old child's murder.....I believe the cover up came strictly from Casey's family who are so desperately trying to get her freed....

I can not think of anyone in their right mind that would be doing anything oddly with this murdered child's body.....jmo

what if Kronk got fed up with not getting any action from his calls to police or crimestoppers? what if he called George--then George sends Dominic Casey out to search?

this case is just crazy-seems nothing is impossible

[Dunlurken]

Maybe that last question was directed at me.

Because she encouraged it by putting her email address out there.

AND...I had a few questions to ask her. Plus, I wanted to tell her about how sorry I was for Caylee's murder. That's my answer.
Personally, I'm afraid of her and would prefer no contact. Just me. Carry on. LOL. Next thing you know, they (defense) will be asking for your e-mails and cell phone records.

[101Spots]

What could he possibly have to hide? Just curious about your theory.

And, why on earth would anyone want to contact Cindy via e-mail? (Not directed at you.)

There have been rumors about a connection between Kronk and a gal-pal at the jail where Casey is being held. If that's true, he might not want his phone calls to her being publicized.

Maybe he calls a porno site every Wednesday and doesn't want that publicized. Maybe he's cheating on his girlfriend.

I don't know, but I can see innocent or unrelated information being released that he doesn't want to be made public.

[missinglink]

I believe it's cindy@dgator.com.

Thanks Spots, just saw this.

[nana6]

Could be your right....she probably wont want to give anyone the satisfaction that it's killing her......I hope she is thinking about never seeing the outside world again...no clubs, no boyfriends, no stealing everyones money....Just being in prison, day after day, week after week, year after year.....That is satisfaction enough for me....:biggrin:

yes and I imagine that her field trips to the courtroom are a social life for her too. She can leave her cell and go to a courtroom how much fun is that I ask you?!!!!!

[missinglink]

Personally, I'm afraid of her and would prefer no contact. Just me. Carry on. LOL. Next thing you know, they (defense) will be asking for your e-mails and cell phone records.

No problem! :biggrin:

[desmom]

Anyone know if LKB is death qualified in Florida?

And for the old timers around here..... Alan Jackson (AJ)...... which trial was that? Spector? I watched him on a show the other night and couldn't remember which trial he was the lead attorney. I know it was Orange County.

I do not think so....If LKB was death qualified in FL, I do not believe the State would have filed a motion asking the courts to determine if Casey's Dream Team are DP qualified. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

what if Kronk got fed up with not getting any action from his calls to police or crimestoppers? what if he called George--then George sends Dominic Casey out to search?

this case is just crazy-seems nothing is impossible


I agree that nothing is impossible in this case....However, I believe that if Kronk had done such a thing he would have said so by now.....We must remember, that during that time Cindy and George and Lee were very anti public...they were acting as though they did not want Caylee to be found...they went as far as fighting with Tim Miller.....so I doubt very much if Kronk would have called the Anthony's.....

I believe that Lee either was told by Casey or he figured it out himself and told the PI to go to that spot...Kronk would have nothing to gain by doing anything other then calling LE...which he did...jmo

[101Spots]

Would you want Baez to have unlimited access to your life and your friends? Trying to make something from nothing to free Casey? Not me. He needs to put some parameters on his request. That's all Kronk and the others are asking for. I think they deserve it myself.

Please don't think I'm on Jose's side in this. Although he would be *terribly* disappointed to read my phone records, I would not want him poking around for his own amusement, just because it's none of his bleeping business. As I posted above, there may be other (non-case related) connections that Kronk, Amy, et al do not want made public.

[Barbara fl.]

yes and I imagine that her field trips to the courtroom are a social life for her too. She can leave her cell and go to a courtroom how much fun is that I ask you?!!!!!

Right now, for her, it's probably very exciting....:thumbsup:

[Dunlurken]

There have been rumors about a connection between Kronk and a gal-pal at the jail where Casey is being held. If that's true, he might not want his phone calls to her being publicized.

Maybe he calls a porno site every Wednesday and doesn't want that publicized. Maybe he's cheating on his girlfriend.

I don't know, but I can see innocent or unrelated information being released that he doesn't want to be made public.

Anything not relevant to the case would not be let in. JMO. Calling a porn site, etc. is not related to Caylee's death. I wouldn't think. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

I do not think so....If LKB was death qualified in FL, I do not believe the State would have filed a motion asking the courts to determine if Casey's Dream Team are DP qualified. jmo

Only the first chair needs to be death qualified. Jose is not death qualified.

[Barbara fl.]

Please don't think I'm on Jose's side in this. Although he would be *terribly* disappointed to read my phone records, I would not want him poking around for his own amusement, just because it's none of his bleeping business. As I posted above, there may be other (non-case related) connections that Kronk, Amy, et al do not want made public.


That's correct.....A person's private life is there own life and they should not be scrutinized for being a good citizen...Just suppose that Kronk may have two girlfriends that may know one another....this may very well create a problem for him once leaked out...what is the defense going to do, call in everyone that Kronk knows and question them to see if they knew anything about Caylee's remains?....

The same for Amy....suppose she too is calling a few guys etc.etc.etc...

I believe that the only records that should be given are the records showing the calls to LE dating back to the very first call.....jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Anything not relevant to the case would not be let in. JMO. Calling a porn site, etc. is not related to Caylee's death. I wouldn't think. JMO.

But anything that is released to the defense is made public...it may be redacted at certain levels but people that know him would be able to figure things out....I know I would ....

[Dunlurken]

That's correct.....A person's private life is there own life and they should not be scrutinized for being a good citizen...Just suppose that Kronk may have two girlfriends that may know one another....this may very well create a problem for him once leaked out...what is the defense going to do, call in everyone that Kronk knows and question them to see if they knew anything about Caylee's remains?....

The same for Amy....suppose she too is calling a few guys etc.etc.etc...

I believe that the only records that should be given are the records showing the calls to LE dating back to the very first call.....jmo
So how do you sort out the ones related to the case? You turn all your records over. If you have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?

:confused: Turn the damm records over.

[Dells]

Those message's are fine, but for the defense to request all his phone records is an invasion of privacy.....I believe that the defense is looking to see if he has any connections to someone that may have led him to the body......they are fishing of course...because if Kronk had been informed in anyway what so ever, i'm sure the body would have been located long before it was.....

It goes to show that this defense has no defense at all....they are lost...

I so agree w/you. If Kronk got insider information that Caylee's body was there in August, then the body would have been found in August, not December. I think Kronk just had a hunch and he stuck w/it. I agree that the defense has nothing. It seems like the defense wants to get the body thrown out as evidence. If your client was so "innocent", then you wouldn't need to do that.:sneaky:

[nana6]

Right now, for her, it's probably very exciting....:thumbsup:

Yes Barb you are so right. I wonder if she actually looks forward to the drama of her court appearances? I also wonder if she chooses between eyeliner on the top part of her eyes or should she do the top and the bottom or she could just do the bottom ya know that always looks good. This is what she has to think about for the rest of her life. What she should order from the canteen today, how she will wear her hair out of her cell, up or down and what color liptick to use. My my my what a life she has created for herself all by herself.

[Dunlurken]

But anything that is released to the defense is made public...it may be redacted at certain levels but people that know him would be able to figure things out....I know I would ....

I must be missing something. Why would I care? There are much bigger fish to "fry", namely Ms. Casey Marie Anthony. Guilty as the day is long. JMO. I don't care what people know about me. I want justice for Caylee.

Keep your eye on the prize.

[nana6]

Does anyone kn ow what time the court hearing will be tomorrow? I assume it will be live streamed I hope so

[Dunlurken]

Does anyone kn ow what time the court hearing will be tomorrow? I assume it will be live streamed I hope so

I think 10:00 a.m. EST. Can't wait to see who the death qualified attorney is. That guy Leamon.... nah..... he and Baez don't get along. LOL. Baez is going to put a needle right in her arm if he doesn't sit down and shut up. JMO.

[Barbara fl.]

So how do you sort out the ones related to the case? You turn all your records over. If you have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?

:confused: Turn the damm records over.


I agree with you, that if you have nothing to hide turn the records over.....but just because he may have nothing to hide about the case...he may very well have personal business that he may not want out there....and if that not be the case...then by all means he should turn them over....

But the mere fact that he doesn't want to turn them over doesn't neccessarily mean he has something to hide about the case....

[CelticDawn]

*Snipped for space*

good morning and thanks AMS--it just seems to me-*birds of a feather-flock together* and *crazy is as crazy does*


i'm more interested in the Baez part of this story!!


and des-IIRC, when LP was searching for Caylee at JBP-wasnt it reported that casey was eithering listening or watching it-and exhibited NO EMOTION-if thats the case-IMHO- casey reacting to remains found-that she KNEW were caylee-i think she was reacting to the fact that LE finally had evidence against her....

does that make sense??

I could be TOTALLY WRONG but I THINK that Caseys reaction was because she had already been REASSURED that NO REMAINS WOULD BE FOUND....

[Barbara fl.]

Yes Barb you are so right. I wonder if she actually looks forward to the drama of her court appearances? I also wonder if she chooses between eyeliner on the top part of her eyes or should she do the top and the bottom or she could just do the bottom ya know that always looks good. This is what she has to think about for the rest of her life. What she should order from the canteen today, how she will wear her hair out of her cell, up or down and what color liptick to use. My my my what a life she has created for herself all by herself.

Oh, I'm sure she will look her best for court....and probably will flirt with all the male jurors.....:loveeyes:

[nana6]

I think 10:00 a.m. EST. Can't wait to see who the death qualified attorney is. That guy Leamon.... nah..... he and Baez don't get along. LOL. Baez is going to put a needle right in her arm if he doesn't sit down and shut up. JMO.

Hi Dunnie, Yes anyone who comes on her case has to deal with him (JB) What a trip. If I were her parents I would be frantic just watching his behavior alone.

[Dunlurken]

Oh, I'm sure she will look her best for court....and probably will flirt with all the male jurors.....:loveeyes:

And she will be sure her breath smells good. Anyone notice how Casey keeps chewing gum during the interviews when arrested? And keeps grabbing her boobs and tucking in her shirt. Sociopath if I ever saw one. JMO.

[Barbara fl.]

I must be missing something. Why would I care? There are much bigger fish to "fry", namely Ms. Casey Marie Anthony. Guilty as the day is long. JMO. I don't care what people know about me. I want justice for Caylee.

Keep your eye on the prize.


Don't get me wrong, I feel the same exact way....I would have nothing to hide and wouldn't care either way.....but some people may very well care...and if Kronk is put thru all this, we can forget about anymore concerned citizens trying to help.......

But, I too am thinking of much better things....like wanting to see Casey fry....

[nana6]

And she will be sure her breath smells good. Anyone notice how Casey keeps chewing gum during the interviews when arrested? And keeps grabbing her boobs and tucking in her shirt. Sociopath if I ever saw one. JMO.

yes she does that alot fiddles with her hair and her clothing and thoses hands can really get going at times.

[Barbara fl.]

And she will be sure her breath smells good. Anyone notice how Casey keeps chewing gum during the interviews when arrested? And keeps grabbing her boobs and tucking in her shirt. Sociopath if I ever saw one. JMO.


I noticed that as well....she is only concerned about her looks and how her cloths look....well the preson cloths aren't too flattering....she better get used to them....:biggrin:

[Dunlurken]

Hi Dunnie, Yes anyone who comes on her case has to deal with him (JB) What a trip. If I were her parents I would be frantic just watching his behavior alone.

I think LKB could control him. Someone is going to have to control Baez. Wonder if I should google death qualified attornies in Florida? LOL.

[nana6]

bbl guys going to see our babies today !!! All 6 of them!!!

[Barbara fl.]

I so agree w/you. If Kronk got insider information that Caylee's body was there in August, then the body would have been found in August, not December. I think Kronk just had a hunch and he stuck w/it. I agree that the defense has nothing. It seems like the defense wants to get the body thrown out as evidence. If your client was so "innocent", then you wouldn't need to do that.:sneaky:



Get the body thrown out as evidence....."I like that"....I bet they wish they could do something like that......:laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

I think LKB could control him. Someone is going to have to control Baez. Wonder if I should google death qualified attornies in Florida? LOL.


Hey, that's not a bad idea...we could fax over a list for him......:laugh:

[djmsmom]

Get the body thrown out as evidence....."I like that"....I bet they wish they could do something like that......:laugh:

I'm afraid if the defence can trace that the body was found because a prison guard overheard a conv. between JB and Casey and the guard called Kronk and he went and found the body. then it can have all evidence about the remains thrown out.

[Dunlurken]

I'm afraid if the defence can trace that the body was found because a prison guard overheard a conv. between JB and Casey and the guard called Kronk and he went and found the body. then it can have all evidence about the remains thrown out.

No, that couldn't happen. Caylee's remains are just that. Doesn't matter how they were found, just that they were found 15 houses from her home. Give Prosecution some credit. They know what they are doing. JMO.

[eagleeer]

Anyone know if LKB is death qualified in Florida?

And for the old timers around here..... Alan Jackson (AJ)...... which trial was that? Spector? I watched him on a show the ot
her night and couldn't remember which trial he was the lead attorney. I know it was Orange County.

Alan Jackson was the lead attorney in the Phil Spector trial. Guilty Murder 2. Sentencing this Friday A.M. in Los Angeles, California.

[Dick Tracy]

All of these CE pieces of the puzzle, that when put together will show a deceitful young mother, with no HS diploma, no future to support herself and her child other than stealing from her friends, her grandparents, and her own's childs piggybank. She was desperate. All she was interested in was the social party girl lets-get-drunk-and-sc*ew life she felt she was missing by having a child. And when that fight broke out on the night of father's day, that sent her over the edge. And unfortunately Caylee paid with her life. It's too bad that Annie wasn't around that night she could have fronted Casey some Xanax, and calmed her down, and quite possibly Caylee would be alive today.

I hem and haw over the actual act though. I had initially theorized that Casey came home on the 16th with Caylee, after Cindy had gone to work. The Lemming see's her leave that day, as he said, and when he went to work as a security guard, she comes home again (reference computer activity at 1400 on the home computer). She dumps the kid in the pool, and starts up on the internet at home. Caylee drowns in the pool, (reference Cadaver dog hits near the pool - reference the ladder out of place. Almost seems believable.

Even if that's what happened, it's the coverup and the lies that will send her to the needle. It's the smell in the car that wouldn't go away. It's the attempted deflections on the part of GA and CA with their supposed sightings in Gainesville and Coral Gables. It's the lack of emotion on Casey's part, or her lack of curiosity at the OCSO when she meets with mom and dad. Never asks about where are they searching, what have they found. It's the fact that she never took a polygraph (she probably would have nuked the polygraph machine). Never tried to at all clear her name.

LE had no choice, and they just followed the evidence trail.

[Lapis]

No, that couldn't happen. Caylee's remains are just that. Doesn't matter how they were found, just that they were found 15 houses from her home. Give Prosecution some credit. They know what they are doing. JMO.

Hate to disagree but if the scenario is as outlined by djsmom and Lenny then the jail/LE violated attorney client priviledge and the body could be thrown out. JMO

[seeing_eye]

i seem to remember that as well, shelkobe, but i think that poster was banned - and sometimes when a poster gets banned - all of their posts go *poof* as well

could it have been DG?

Pardon my ignorance, but who is DG?

[desmom]

So how do you sort out the ones related to the case? You turn all your records over. If you have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?

:confused: Turn the damm records over.

IMO, what is of concern is JB did not specify a timeline for the records. Also he is asking for more than just cell phone records.

JB's motion: http://www.wftv.com/blank/19166857/detail.html

Kronk's objection to the motion: http://www.wftv.com/blank/19238720/detail.html

Legal Analyst: Casey's Attorney Made Blunder
http://www.wftv.com/news/19243193/detail.html

Sheaffer said Baez could've identified the witnesses' cell phone providers during depositions and then subpoenaed the companies' records directly. Instead, he's asked the judge's permission.

"That will force Baez to tell the court what relevance these phone records may have to the defense," Sheaffer explained.

That includes if he's asked for more witnesses' records than he really wants as a way to try to cover his tracks. Baez is also asking for the unlimited, detailed cell phone records for Casey's parents and her brother. Her parents' lawyer says they'll hand them over, but they have no idea why Casey would want them..

[ruth66]

Those message's are fine, but for the defense to request all his phone records is an invasion of privacy.....I believe that the defense is looking to see if he has any connections to someone that may have led him to the body......they are fishing of course...because if Kronk had been informed in anyway what so ever, i'm sure the body would have been located long before it was.....

It goes to show that this defense has no defense at all....they are lost...


Morning Barb.
And begs the question, why is Baez so worried about Kronk's phone records? Was there talk amongst the defense and Anthony family about where the body was located? Is that why they are so sure someone tipped Kronk off? I personally don't believe the story LP is trying to sell on NG about Kronk and his girlfriend. Wasn't there a reward being offered? Maybe Kronk didn't realize that the reward was for a "live" CAYLEE. This case is so widely publicized I am sure there were a lot of people out looking. :confused:

[Dunlurken]

Alan Jackson was the lead attorney in the Phil Spector trial. Guilty Murder 2. Sentencing this Friday A.M. in Los Angeles, California.

Can't wait to see that one. I thought it was the PS case. I didn't watch the second trial, after the hung jury first time around. Did AJ also try that one? Guess I need to head over to the PS board. Murder 2. LOL. Guess he will spend the rest of his miserable life in general pop.

Sorry for the O/T. :laugh:

[Pruddennce]

So how do you sort out the ones related to the case? You turn all your records over. If you have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?

:confused: Turn the damm records over.

Kronk nags at my brain.

has LE obtained his records? if they did, I would think they would have went thru his records and if was connected to the Anthonys in any way, remotely, they would have to turn that over in discovery, wouldnt they?

what bothers me is this: Kronk came front and center with an attorney immediately following his name being released. I dont feel his 'press appearance' was necessary.

I have always believed something else is going on with Kronk. IMO.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[summer4meplz]

Alan Jackson was the lead attorney in the Phil Spector trial. Guilty Murder 2. Sentencing this Friday A.M. in Los Angeles, California.


thanks for that heads up......do you know what time?

I love Alan Jackson...I thought he was fabulous...:wub:

[ruth66]

I think she will sit there stoned faced as most of the killers we see do. No emotion,cold dark eyes and probably not a glance towards her family either.

And then we will hear the presser from GA & CA on how Casey was framed in the murder of her daughter and that she is going to win an appeal and be out with her loving family where she belongs. And for years after that we will see GA & CA on the Today show, Geraldo, MSNBC, etc.. trying to convice the world that Casey is innocent and the prosecutors had an axe to grind. The circus will never be over guys, this is going to last for long time...
jmo

[Dunlurken]

IMO, what is of concern is JB did not specify a timeline for the records. Also he is asking for more than just cell phone records.

JB's motion: http://www.wftv.com/blank/19166857/detail.html

Kronk's objection to the motion: http://www.wftv.com/blank/19238720/detail.html

Legal Analyst: Casey's Attorney Made Blunder
http://www.wftv.com/news/19243193/detail.html

Sheaffer said Baez could've identified the witnesses' cell phone providers during depositions and then subpoenaed the companies' records directly. Instead, he's asked the judge's permission.

"That will force Baez to tell the court what relevance these phone records may have to the defense," Sheaffer explained.

That includes if he's asked for more witnesses' records than he really wants as a way to try to cover his tracks. Baez is also asking for the unlimited, detailed cell phone records for Casey's parents and her brother. Her parents' lawyer says they'll hand them over, but they have no idea why Casey would want them..That goes to show how inept Baez is. The judge will rule that a certain time will be allowed into evidence..... not Kronk's lifetime of cell phone records. JMO.

[AlohaRainbow]

I bolded what I think is a great observation of yours, Desmom. She was lying on a regular basis and to too many people, so using holidays helped her keep track of her lies.

the irony being that in the biggest lie of her life, she completely "forgot" about fathers' day.

[eagleeer]

Can't wait to see that one. I thought it was the PS case. I didn't watch the second trial, after the hung jury first time around. Did AJ also try that one? Guess I need to head over to the PS board. Murder 2. LOL. Guess he will spend the rest of his miserable life in general pop.

Sorry for the O/T. :laugh:

AJ and Truc Do were brilliant in PS2. Minimum sentence 19 Years to Life. We will know tomorrow.

[summer4meplz]

Kronk nags at my brain.

has LE obtained his records? if they did, I would think they would have went thru his records and if was connected to the Anthonys in any way, remotely, they would have to turn that over in discovery, wouldnt they?

what bothers me is this: Kronk came front and center with an attorney immediately following his name being released. I dont feel his 'press appearance' was necessary.

I have always believed something else is going on with Kronk. IMO.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence......*

me too, Pru......and that other guy, williams.....it sure seems like a lot of ppl knew the general idea where Caylee was thrown......(stupid heartless B....ch....everytime i think about it..,.:cursing:)

I think there's a porn connection.....and it might have to do with that empty apt @ sawgrass..


I think the father of Caylee might be a bombshell.....

I think the father of casey might be a bombshell.....

this is the kind of case where you think of the most insane scenarios and when the truth does come out....it's even worse than your wildest imagination.....

[ruth66]

There have been rumors about a connection between Kronk and a gal-pal at the jail where Casey is being held. If that's true, he might not want his phone calls to her being publicized.

Maybe he calls a porno site every Wednesday and doesn't want that publicized. Maybe he's cheating on his girlfriend.

I don't know, but I can see innocent or unrelated information being released that he doesn't want to be made public.


Or maybe he sends his significant other funny text messages that she will alone will understand and find funny. I shudder to think what people could mishconstrue (pun intended) from my texts to my hubby. Sometimes our texts are simply inside jokes. I say they are having their privacy invaded. Shame on Jose.
JMO

[djmsmom]

Hate to disagree but if the scenario is as outlined by djsmom and Lenny then the jail/LE violated attorney client priviledge and the body could be thrown out. JMO

thank you Lapis.....:wub:

[summer4meplz]

Hate to disagree but if the scenario is as outlined by djsmom and Lenny then the jail/LE violated attorney client priviledge and the body could be thrown out. JMO


that would be so cruel for poor precious Caylee to be "thrown out" again.....:crying:

[AlohaRainbow]

Addressing bolded: They can still fake search for other kids now that Dennis has "built" them a nice bass boat. When George was interviewed sitting in the sun, on the boat, he said "this is what I want to do with my life". I think he just liked the idea of leaving Evil Cindy on the shore. :smile:

Cindy is working, you know. She has a fake foundation to run, sorry, milk. Milking is work too!
I think he just liked the idea of leaving Evil Cindy on the shore.
you certainly have a way with words :laugh:

[eagleeer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by *MoonRider* http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13139582#post13139582)
I think the problem is that she is not a member of the Florida Bar. imo

Response by Lapis from yesterday about whether LKB can be first chair.

"One need not be a member of the Florida bar, merely be admitted pro hoc vice and fit the requirements of the Florida rules of criminal procedure. JMO"

[summer4meplz]

And then we will hear the presser from GA & CA on how Casey was framed in the murder of her daughter and that she is going to win an appeal and be out with her loving family where she belongs. And for years after that we will see GA & CA on the Today show, Geraldo, MSNBC, etc.. trying to convice the world that Casey is innocent and the prosecutors had an axe to grind. The circus will never be over guys, this is going to last for long time...
jmo

I hope you are wrong Ruth......I think once casey gets convicted....interest will greatly diminish...I know mine has in the past with oj, spector....peterson...all of them....I don't think about them again because there;s another horror case going on.....it's shocking how these horrific murders are almost a daily event lately....someone else mentioned this earlier this morning......

[nana6]

And then we will hear the presser from GA & CA on how Casey was framed in the murder of her daughter and that she is going to win an appeal and be out with her loving family where she belongs. And for years after that we will see GA & CA on the Today show, Geraldo, MSNBC, etc.. trying to convice the world that Casey is innocent and the prosecutors had an axe to grind. The circus will never be over guys, this is going to last for long time...
jmo

Hi Ruth, You are right they will try forever to convice people that she is innocent but when it is all over and she goes to prison and they go on tv all we have to do then is turn the channel.!!!!!

[Dunlurken]

Quote:
Originally Posted by *MoonRider* http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13139582#post13139582)
I think the problem is that she is not a member of the Florida Bar. imo

Response by Lapis from yesterday about whether LKB can be first chair.

"One need not be a member of the Florida bar, merely be admitted pro hoc vice and fit the requirements of the Florida rules of criminal procedure. JMO"
Yeah, that happened once before. Can't remember which trial, but the attorney was death qualified, but not a member of the State Bar. Thanks for reminding me. Heck, is she death qualified? I think so.

Let's hope it's not Bruce Cutler. LOL.

[nana6]

Yeah, that happened once before. Can't remember which trial, but the attorney was death qualified, but not a member of the State Bar. Thanks for reminding me. Heck, is she death qualified? I think so.

Let's hope it's not Bruce Cutler. LOL.

Wasn't Bruce c on the Gotti defense?

[Dells]

that would be so cruel for poor precious Caylee to be "thrown out" again.....:crying:

Yes it would.:crying: But I don't seriously think that is going to happen. I don't think Kronk got insider information as to where Caylee's body was located. If he did, he wouldn't have waited 4 months between when he first started to look to when he located the body. I think JB is just fishing hoping to find something, anything, that will help his client's case. He can keep looking, but I don't think he will find anything.

[Anakerie]

What could he possibly have to hide? Just curious about your theory.

And, why on earth would anyone want to contact Cindy via e-mail? (Not directed at you.)
I can't answer for anyone else, but I emailed Cindy because I wrote an "open letter" to her on my blog because of her slamming bloggers in general when she was on Larry King Live this last time and I wanted her to see it.

She did, and the reply I got back from her was classic "Cindy"... :rolleyes: I've heard nothing else from her since then... lol

Sorry I'm so far behind... lol, I'll bet Dunnie isn't even online now...

[ruth66]

I hope you are wrong Ruth......I think once casey gets convicted....interest will greatly diminish...I know mine has in the past with oj, spector....peterson...all of them....I don't think about them again because there;s another horror case going on.....it's shocking how these horrific murders are almost a daily event lately....someone else mentioned this earlier this morning......


My hope is that Casey is convicted and regardless of whether she gets the DP or LWOP we never hear from her again. But I can't help but feel that CA & GA will never let this be over. They will be seeking a means of living. And keeping this case in the public eye and controversial will keep money rolling in. Eventually, I would guess that the $5k a month donors will expect this family to get a life and they will stop sending them money.
JMO

[Barbara fl.]

I'm afraid if the defence can trace that the body was found because a prison guard overheard a conv. between JB and Casey and the guard called Kronk and he went and found the body. then it can have all evidence about the remains thrown out.

Sorry, but even if the Anthony's told someone where the body was and that person told another and another.....the find of the body will not be thrown out.....all the prosecution needed was a body and they now have it...no matter what circumstances it was found....I have never heard of a body being thrown out as evidence, no matter what circumstances it was found under.....The body is proof that Caylee is in fact deceased.....nothing else matters here....even if the defense was to prove that the body was moved (which is highly unlikely) it would then implicate the family (seeing as they are the only ones to gain by such a move)......the odor in the trunk and the hair with the death band is enough to place Caylee's body in the trunk of the mothers car......That is the evidence that would have been disputed by forensics had the body never been found.....now they have not got that because a body was found.......

[Anakerie]

Anyone know if LKB is death qualified in Florida?

And for the old timers around here..... Alan Jackson (AJ)...... which trial was that? Spector? I watched him on a show the other night and couldn't remember which trial he was the lead attorney. I know it was Orange County.

The case you saw on TV about Alan Jackson was probably the Mickey Thompson case.... Thompson and his wife were murdered in their front yard...

[ttcRider]

I hope you are wrong Ruth......I think once casey gets convicted....interest will greatly diminish...I know mine has in the past with oj, spector....peterson...all of them....I don't think about them again because there;s another horror case going on.....it's shocking how these horrific murders are almost a daily event lately....someone else mentioned this earlier this morning......

It is hard to imagine at this point but I totally agree with you. We had a sensational case here in Canada a few years ago, (Paul Benardo) and at the time everyone thought they would always be in the news but gratefully they have been long forgot to rot in jail. As hard as it is to believe, sadly there will always be another horrific crime to trump the first.. IMO :sad:

[Dells]

I hope you are wrong Ruth......I think once casey gets convicted....interest will greatly diminish...I know mine has in the past with oj, spector....peterson...all of them....I don't think about them again because there;s another horror case going on.....it's shocking how these horrific murders are almost a daily event lately....someone else mentioned this earlier this morning......

I agree. Once Casey is convicted and sent to either DR or to prison for life, the interest will greatly die down. It already has actually. I remember when this forum used to get 2 to 3 threads a day and there was no way I could keep up w/the threads and read everything. I am sure that I missed a lot of interesting discussion. Even the comments on the news articles isn't as much as it used to be. I am sure it will pick up again once the trial gets here, but after it is over it will really die down again. Even now on NG's show she is hardly covering this case at all. She has moved onto other cases that are just as deserving of the attention. I think if Casey tries to appeal, that the case will get some attention again, but not near anything like it is getting now.

[Barbara fl.]

Morning Barb.
And begs the question, why is Baez so worried about Kronk's phone records? Was there talk amongst the defense and Anthony family about where the body was located? Is that why they are so sure someone tipped Kronk off? I personally don't believe the story LP is trying to sell on NG about Kronk and his girlfriend. Wasn't there a reward being offered? Maybe Kronk didn't realize that the reward was for a "live" CAYLEE. This case is so widely publicized I am sure there were a lot of people out looking. :confused:



I don't buy that story either...infact I don't much buy anything that LP has to say....he wanted to be part of this case so bad he would say anything at all.....

Kronk didn't even want to be identified at first...he was trying to call in without giving his name because he thought his boss would get mad....I believe his story, that he saw something of a suspiscious nature and kept after it......anyone of us on this board and elsewhere that was caught up with this case would have done the same thing.....

[ruth66]

Does anyone know why it is taking so long to get doc dumps lately? It seems that originally the documents were being made public quickly after being turned over to the defense. What is the procedure that media follows to get us those documents? And, this may have been asked before but is there any circumstance in which the prosecution could possibly keep evidence from being released under the Sunshine law? Anyone?

We neeeeeeeeeed a doc dump or I might be tempted to send Cindy an e-mail....just kidding I am also too afraid to send anything with any trace of who I am to that family. Next thing you know there will be a motion for my phone records to be released. :laugh:

JMO

[bchand]

I hope you are wrong Ruth......I think once casey gets convicted....interest will greatly diminish...I know mine has in the past with oj, spector....peterson...all of them....I don't think about them again because there;s another horror case going on.....it's shocking how these horrific murders are almost a daily event lately....someone else mentioned this earlier this morning......


I agree with you summer. I thought I'd never get over constantly thinking about Laci Peterson, and then Rachel Entwistle, but once the murderers were convicted and justice prevailed, it does help.

And you're right, the next horrific case always seems to be right around the corner.

[Anakerie]

So how do you sort out the ones related to the case? You turn all your records over. If you have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?

:confused: Turn the damm records over.
Think about it Dunnie.. Put yourself in their places. Would you want all of your phone and internet records turned over to a defense lawyer so he could sort through it? I repeat, ALL of your records with no time constraints in the demand for records? Baez did NOT put any limits on what he was requesting, so in a sense he could fish through 5 or 10 years of stuff!!!

I would fight just as Kronk, Amy and the rest are fighting. Baez did not do a good job of writing that "request" for records at all... (Not surprising.. lol)

[margaritaville]

Morning Barb.
And begs the question, why is Baez so worried about Kronk's phone records? Was there talk amongst the defense and Anthony family about where the body was located? Is that why they are so sure someone tipped Kronk off? I personally don't believe the story LP is trying to sell on NG about Kronk and his girlfriend. Wasn't there a reward being offered? Maybe Kronk didn't realize that the reward was for a "live" CAYLEE. This case is so widely publicized I am sure there were a lot of people out looking. :confused:

that is what I would have thought too...

But the one person that knew that area very well never did........
KioMarie........If that was my hangout as a child, I would have been there looking around...Why wasn't she?
Maybe she is the link to Kronk!!

MOO

[aproudmom]

Unless he has something to hide.

:ohmy:is Kronk going under the bus now? :biggrin:

[Dunlurken]

Wasn't Bruce c on the Gotti defense?

Yes, and Spector. Got Gotti off many, many times. Lost the last one obviously. Tax evasion or something like that.

It would appear as though LKB is death qualified, but I'm not positive yet. Can't find a site for her law firm. JMO.

[Neffy]

Think about it Dunnie.. Put yourself in their places. Would you want all of your phone and internet records turned over to a defense lawyer so he could sort through it? I repeat, ALL of your records with no time constraints in the demand for records? Baez did NOT put any limits on what he was requesting, so in a sense he could fish through 5 or 10 years of stuff!!!

I would fight just as Kronk, Amy and the rest are fighting. Baez did not do a good job of writing that "request" for records at all... (Not surprising.. lol)

Totally agree! Mr. Kronk is NOT under arrest or a named a suspect of interest to anyone but BAEZ! Baez is using Kronk to find any tiny speck to use to cast doubt on Casey and onto Kronk. A dirty joke sent via friend can and would be used as sexual deviant behavior (you should see some jokes I get sent LOL!).

Baez better be specific. He has no RIGHT to dig into someone's life history to a "freaking whim".

As far as phone records, I do not want my friend/family all tracked down, their homes, places of employment etc.

[margaritaville]

And then we will hear the presser from GA & CA on how Casey was framed in the murder of her daughter and that she is going to win an appeal and be out with her loving family where she belongs. And for years after that we will see GA & CA on the Today show, Geraldo, MSNBC, etc.. trying to convice the world that Casey is innocent and the prosecutors had an axe to grind. The circus will never be over guys, this is going to last for long time...
jmo

I thought that too with Scott Peterson's family..But they faded away.As they should...Occasionally there will be an article in the paper from Lee but even that has seemed to cease.......

I think once this is all over they will fade away......And we will forget all about GA and CA............imho

[bchand]

It is hard to imagine at this point but I totally agree with you. We had a sensational case here in Canada a few years ago, (Paul Benardo) and at the time everyone thought they would always be in the news but gratefully they have been long forgot to rot in jail. As hard as it is to believe, sadly there will always be another horrific crime to trump the first.. IMO :sad:

and Karla Homolka :cursing: I must admit I still think about that horrible crime and wonder how that woman can be free today.

[Barbara fl.]

Yeah, that happened once before. Can't remember which trial, but the attorney was death qualified, but not a member of the State Bar. Thanks for reminding me. Heck, is she death qualified? I think so.

Let's hope it's not Bruce Cutler. LOL.


Oh no :crying:....don't even mention that name..."Bruce Cutler"....that's all we need.....

[Dunlurken]

Think about it Dunnie.. Put yourself in their places. Would you want all of your phone and internet records turned over to a defense lawyer so he could sort through it? I repeat, ALL of your records with no time constraints in the demand for records? Baez did NOT put any limits on what he was requesting, so in a sense he could fish through 5 or 10 years of stuff!!!

I would fight just as Kronk, Amy and the rest are fighting. Baez did not do a good job of writing that "request" for records at all... (Not surprising.. lol)

It's called smoke and mirrors. won't work. Judge will certainly identify a definite time frame. JMO.

[Snewpy]

[QUOTE=desmom;13141983]I just noticed in the link above Casey told friends she miscarried Brandon Snow's child on Valentine's Day. IIRC, she said Caylee's father died on Caylee's birthday. It must have been easier for Casey to keep her lies straight if she connected the event to a special day/holiday.

Snipped for relevance

Des - the only reason I could possibly disagree with you ( because honestly it makes sense ) is that she couldn't remember to associate the day she murdered Caylee with Father's Day and got the dates wrong. Even the most clever of liars can't rise above their intelligence level it seems :)

[aproudmom]

I don't buy that story either...infact I don't much buy anything that LP has to say....he wanted to be part of this case so bad he would say anything at all.....

Kronk didn't even want to be identified at first...he was trying to call in without giving his name because he thought his boss would get mad....I believe his story, that he saw something of a suspiscious nature and kept after it......anyone of us on this board and elsewhere that was caught up with this case would have done the same thing.....

I agree that is why he did not even want to call the tip line he did not want his name released to the public..

[aproudmom]

LOL! We could all be in major trouble if LE ever wanted to check out our computers. They would either believe we were somehow involved in this case or that we were sad, fat, friendless bloggers. :rolleyes:

:thumbsup: My screen is all blue just like KC was..guess I am safe:wink:

[Lapis]

Yes, and Spector. Got Gotti off many, many times. Lost the last one obviously. Tax evasion or something like that.

It would appear as though LKB is death qualified, but I'm not positive yet. Can't find a site for her law firm. JMO.

In the case where Gotti was found guilty Cutler was not his attorney. The Prosecution had him removed for being part of the criminal enterprise. JMO

[Ckrdpast]

Sorry, but even if the Anthony's told someone where the body was and that person told another and another.....the find of the body will not be thrown out.....all the prosecution needed was a body and they now have it...no matter what circumstances it was found....I have never heard of a body being thrown out as evidence, no matter what circumstances it was found under.....The body is proof that Caylee is in fact deceased.....nothing else matters here....even if the defense was to prove that the body was moved (which is highly unlikely) it would then implicate the family (seeing as they are the only ones to gain by such a move)......the odor in the trunk and the hair with the death band is enough to place Caylee's body in the trunk of the mothers car......That is the evidence that would have been disputed by forensics had the body never been found.....now they have not got that because a body was found.......

Lapis? would love to hear your comments on this!

[Barbara fl.]

LOL! We could all be in major trouble if LE ever wanted to check out our computers. They would either believe we were somehow involved in this case or that we were sad, fat, friendless bloggers. :rolleyes:

:laugh: you have a good point.....I even looked up shovels, chloroform,neck breaking.....I wanted to see what Casey saw.....wow, would I be in trouble.....:scared:

[Dells]

Totally agree! Mr. Kronk is NOT under arrest or a named a suspect of interest to anyone but BAEZ! Baez is using Kronk to find any tiny speck to use to cast doubt on Casey and onto Kronk. A dirty joke sent via friend can and would be used as sexual deviant behavior (you should see some jokes I get sent LOL!).

Baez better be specific. He has no RIGHT to dig into someone's life history to a "freaking whim".

I so agree w/you. Knowing JB as we do, he will take anything that he can and twist it into that person being the one responsible for murdering Caylee.

Kronk is not the only one that lawyered up in this case. Heck, Casey's own parents and brother have their own attorneys as does everyone else, even those only peripherally involved w/the case.

Why should those being attacked by JB make is easy for him to obtain their records to help get Casey off for murdering her daughter? :shrug: They are not downright refusing to hand over their records, they are asking for parameters to be set. I would do the same thing if I was in their position.

[ttcRider]

I thought it was cindy@dgator.com

I could be wrong.

haha can you imagine if there is a legitimate company called Gator and a woman named Cindy works there and is being bombarded with misdirected hatemail all day!?? :laugh:

[Lapis]

Lapis? would love to hear your comments on this!

The key here is if Kronk got the information, where did that information come from? If the information came from the Anthonys then there really is no problem. But if the information came as opined by Lenny, from a jail guard that overheard a conversation between Casey and her attorney then there may be a problem. Any conversation between a defendant and her attorney even if it takes place in a jail is priviledged. If that priviledged information is then passed onto someone else the jail personnel/LE has violated her rights and the remedy may be for the court to exclude the body and any evidence found with it. JMO

[Dunlurken]

In the case where Gotti was found guilty Cutler was not his attorney. The Prosecution had him removed for being part of the criminal enterprise. JMO

Thanks for that. He did manage to get back on the PS defense though. Was a laughing stock! Hope he has retired to Florida. Did I just say that. :w00t:

[Ckrdpast]

another question for you, Lapis...

if casey shows up in court tomorrow and declares that she wants to represent herself--could this move forward with Baez & company's guidence?

[Snewpy]

Yes Barb you are so right. I wonder if she actually looks forward to the drama of her court appearances? I also wonder if she chooses between eyeliner on the top part of her eyes or should she do the top and the bottom or she could just do the bottom ya know that always looks good. This is what she has to think about for the rest of her life. What she should order from the canteen today, how she will wear her hair out of her cell, up or down and what color liptick to use. My my my what a life she has created for herself all by herself.

Can you imagine if she gets the DP the decisions she'll have to make about her appearance when they lead her to the execution chamber? I would think waterproof mascara would be a must. Hope they have that in the canteen. Just IMO, of course.

[Anakerie]

It's called smoke and mirrors. won't work. Judge will certainly identify a definite time frame. JMO.
I'm sure the judge will... But Baez shouldn't have asked for an unlimited amount of information in the first place! That is the reason that Kronk and the rest are fighting Baez! It's not that they are "hiding something" it's that Baez is asking for way too much for his fishing expedition.

[Barbara fl.]

I so agree w/you. Knowing JB as we do, he will take anything that he can and twist it into that person being the one responsible for murdering Caylee.

Kronk is not the only one that lawyered up in this case. Heck, Casey's own parents and brother have their own attorneys as does everyone else, even those only peripherally involved w/the case.

Why should those being attacked by JB make is easy for him to obtain their records to help get Casey off for murdering her daughter? :shrug: They are not downright refusing to hand over their records, they are asking for parameters to be set. I would do the same thing if I was in their position.


It's the truth...is there anyone connected to this case that has not gotten a lawyer..? Cindy, George, Lee, Jesse, Kronk...the lawyers are going to need lawyers when this case is through...It is really something how this case has blown into this....The bottom line is...a mother murdered her child....and just look at how all Casey's lies got everyone tangled into this web.....it's unbelievable.....:confused:

[Dunlurken]

:laugh: you have a good point.....I even looked up shovels, chloroform,neck breaking.....I wanted to see what Casey saw.....wow, would I be in trouble.....:scared:

I just looked up death qualified attornies. LOL. If they see my "history" and realize I'm a message board poster, it could easily be explained though.

Okay, later peeps!

[djmsmom]

Sorry, but even if the Anthony's told someone where the body was and that person told another and another.....the find of the body will not be thrown out.....all the prosecution needed was a body and they now have it...no matter what circumstances it was found....I have never heard of a body being thrown out as evidence, no matter what circumstances it was found under.....The body is proof that Caylee is in fact deceased.....nothing else matters here....even if the defense was to prove that the body was moved (which is highly unlikely) it would then implicate the family (seeing as they are the only ones to gain by such a move)......the odor in the trunk and the hair with the death band is enough to place Caylee's body in the trunk of the mothers car......That is the evidence that would have been disputed by forensics had the body never been found.....now they have not got that because a body was found.......
Any evidence can be inadmissable if found unlawfully.

[lizzard]

I dunno and I don't care. But I know how I'm going to act!!

(Visualize an old bag dancing and shouting and scaring the indoor livestock! :laugh:)

:lol:.....snortzzlthpth.....:lol:

[Dunlurken]

I'm sure the judge will... But Baez shouldn't have asked for an unlimited amount of information in the first place! That is the reason that Kronk and the rest are fighting Baez! It's not that they are "hiding something" it's that Baez is asking for way too much for his fishing expedition.

It's because Baez doesn't know what he's doing. LOL. Can't wait to see who the new attorney is. JMO.

[Lavinia]

My email to Cindy came back. It says "failure notice" and "mailbox quota exceeded".

What does that mean? Her address is cindy@gator.com, isn't it?

I'm just catching up a little but it's mail to: cindy@dgator.com Don't forget the "D" before gator.

[Dells]

It's the truth...is there anyone connected to this case that has not gotten a lawyer..? Cindy, George, Lee, Jesse, Kronk...the lawyers are going to need lawyers when this case is through...It is really something how this case has blown into this....The bottom line is...a mother murdered her child....and just look at how all Casey's lies got everyone tangled into this web.....it's unbelievable.....:confused:

It is unbelievable! I agree that this is just a simple case of a mother murdering her child. How it got to the epic proportions that I did, I do not know. I think it has made a complete and total mockery out of our justice system, and I hope we never see anything like this ever again.:thumbdown:

[Lavinia]

I just PMd the same thing to Lizzard Breath. :tonguewag:

Awww, I should have used the PM function myself. :blushing:

[Peter]

to Lizzie and all:
Well I"M back and a little dissapointed. I couldn't take notes, but ill do the best I can. the bounty hunter/bailbondsman info is as follows:
He has an office in St. Cloud. His secretary Dottie is really good friends with Baez's ex secretary.(hence the EX) She told bondsman that I met, that indeed Casey and baez were having sex. (those 8 hr days in his office) Baez secretary quit because of this.
If the case starts to go bad at trial Casey will reveal this. Witnesses will come forward with this info.
Baez is stuck. Casey managed to get him where she wants.
The release of video of Casey when the body of Caylee was located shows Baez with his hand on Caseys backside, his hand looks like it was in her pants in the back, because women have a top & bottom instead of a jumpsuit.When he put his hand on her back thats what hapened.
He does not want this released. Its not Casey hyperventilating that worries him.
He got Casey as a client because attys show up at the jail to try to get clients.
the jail guards inform the inmate; do not to take the first one. Take an atty that you feel will defend you to the best of their ability.
The first atty was an older man and Casey didnt like him.
the second atty was a woman and when she spoke with Casey she was appauled, it came down to morals as she felt Casey was guilty.
The third was Baez and he knew what to say and acted like he cared. Thats who Casey chose, it was HER choice.
He would not tell me who the old couple is that sends the A's money, but did say it was not Melanie Reiger (sp) group.
side note: it is this bondsmans opinion that TonE Lazzaro knew Caylee was dead. I asked him why he thought this; he said they were together 24/7 for that period of time. I disagreed with him on that.
He also told me LP never for a second thought casey would talk when he bonded her out. PUBLICITY only. He knows Lenny personally.

[Lapis]

another question for you, Lapis...

if casey shows up in court tomorrow and declares that she wants to represent herself--could this move forward with Baez & company's guidence?

If Casey did that the old adage an attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client would never be more true.

I'm not sure a court would allow her or anyone to represent herself in a dealth penalty case. However, if she insisted and the court was satisfied after inquiry and perhaps another psych evaluation that she was competently making the decision I suppose the answer is yes. Baez and co would be limited to a support role and could not actively conduct the trial.

This is definitely one of those questions where y'all are really challanging my legal knowledge. Therefore most respectfully and decisively JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Any evidence can be inadmissable if found unlawfully.


So how would the trial proceed? That Caylee is still alive and that they have had sightings? This is a murder trial....and the defense was (before a body was found) trying to say that Caylee was alive......So what would be the defense if they surpress the body? As for the evidence found with the body, I really don't think that LE is putting too much on that....because what ever was found with the body could have come from a babysitter as well as from the childs home....

Very curious to know.....

[Dells]

to Lizzie and all:
Well I"M back and a little dissapointed. I couldn't take notes, but ill do the best I can. the bounty hunter/bailbondsman info is as follows:
He has an office in St. Cloud. His secretary Dottie is really good friends with Baez's ex secretary.(hence the EX) She told bondsman that I met, that indeed Casey and baez were having sex. (those 8 hr days in his office) Baez secretary quit because of this.
If the case starts to go bad at trial Casey will reveal this. Witnesses will come forward with this info.
Baez is stuck. Casey managed to get him where she wants.
The release of video of Casey when the body of Caylee was located shows Baez with his hand on Caseys backside, his hand looks like it was in her pants in the back, because women have a top & bottom instead of a jumpsuit.When he put his hand on her back thats what hapened.
He does not want this released. Its not Casey hyperventilating that worries him.
He got Casey as a client because attys show up at the jail to try to get clients.
the jail guards inform the inmate; do not to take the first one. Take an atty that you feel will defend you to the best of their ability.
The first atty was an older man and Casey didnt like him.
the second atty was a woman and when she spoke with Casey she was appauled, it came down to morals as she felt Casey was guilty.
The third was Baez and he knew what to say and acted like he cared. Thats who Casey chose, it was HER choice.
He would not tell me who the old couple is that sends the A's money, but did say it was not Melanie Reiger (sp) group.
side note: it is this bondsmans opinion that TonE Lazzaro knew Caylee was dead. I asked him why he thought this; he said they were together 24/7 for that period of time. I disagreed with him on that.
He also told me LP never for a second thought casey would talk when he bonded her out. PUBLICITY only. He knows Lenny personally.

:ohmy:

Thanks so much for passing this information along. Oh boy, JB could be in very big trouble!

[cassidy]

Awww, I should have used the PM function myself. :blushing:

I'm glad you didn't. I thought it was baited too and now I learned something :)

[Neffy]

to Lizzie and all:
Well I"M back and a little dissapointed. I couldn't take notes, but ill do the best I can. the bounty hunter/bailbondsman info is as follows:
He has an office in St. Cloud. His secretary Dottie is really good friends with Baez's ex secretary.(hence the EX) She told bondsman that I met, that indeed Casey and baez were having sex. (those 8 hr days in his office) Baez secretary quit because of this.
If the case starts to go bad at trial Casey will reveal this. Witnesses will come forward with this info.
Baez is stuck. Casey managed to get him where she wants.
The release of video of Casey when the body of Caylee was located shows Baez with his hand on Caseys backside, his hand looks like it was in her pants in the back, because women have a top & bottom instead of a jumpsuit.When he put his hand on her back thats what hapened.
He does not want this released. Its not Casey hyperventilating that worries him.
He got Casey as a client because attys show up at the jail to try to get clients.
the jail guards inform the inmate; do not to take the first one. Take an atty that you feel will defend you to the best of their ability.
The first atty was an older man and Casey didnt like him.
the second atty was a woman and when she spoke with Casey she was appauled, it came down to morals as she felt Casey was guilty.
The third was Baez and he knew what to say and acted like he cared. Thats who Casey chose, it was HER choice.
He would not tell me who the old couple is that sends the A's money, but did say it was not Melanie Reiger (sp) group.
side note: it is this bondsmans opinion that TonE Lazzaro knew Caylee was dead. I asked him why he thought this; he said they were together 24/7 for that period of time. I disagreed with him on that.
He also told me LP never for a second thought casey would talk when he bonded her out. PUBLICITY only. He knows Lenny personally.


:scared::scared::scared:

[101Spots]

to Lizzie and all:
Well I"M back and a little dissapointed. I couldn't take notes, but ill do the best I can. the bounty hunter/bailbondsman info is as follows:
He has an office in St. Cloud. His secretary Dottie is really good friends with Baez's ex secretary.(hence the EX) She told bondsman that I met, that indeed Casey and baez were having sex. (those 8 hr days in his office) Baez secretary quit because of this.
If the case starts to go bad at trial Casey will reveal this. Witnesses will come forward with this info.
Baez is stuck. Casey managed to get him where she wants.
The release of video of Casey when the body of Caylee was located shows Baez with his hand on Caseys backside, his hand looks like it was in her pants in the back, because women have a top & bottom instead of a jumpsuit.When he put his hand on her back thats what hapened.
He does not want this released. Its not Casey hyperventilating that worries him.
He got Casey as a client because attys show up at the jail to try to get clients.
the jail guards inform the inmate; do not to take the first one. Take an atty that you feel will defend you to the best of their ability.
The first atty was an older man and Casey didnt like him.
the second atty was a woman and when she spoke with Casey she was appauled, it came down to morals as she felt Casey was guilty.
The third was Baez and he knew what to say and acted like he cared. Thats who Casey chose, it was HER choice.
He would not tell me who the old couple is that sends the A's money, but did say it was not Melanie Reiger (sp) group.
side note: it is this bondsmans opinion that TonE Lazzaro knew Caylee was dead. I asked him why he thought this; he said they were together 24/7 for that period of time. I disagreed with him on that.
He also told me LP never for a second thought casey would talk when he bonded her out. PUBLICITY only. He knows Lenny personally.

That jaw on the floor is mine. I'll need it if I can ever eat again after this visual, so please don't step on it. Dental work is expensive.

:scared:

[AMS]

to Lizzie and all:
Well I"M back and a little dissapointed. I couldn't take notes, but ill do the best I can. the bounty hunter/bailbondsman info is as follows:
He has an office in St. Cloud. His secretary Dottie is really good friends with Baez's ex secretary.(hence the EX) She told bondsman that I met, that indeed Casey and baez were having sex. (those 8 hr days in his office) Baez secretary quit because of this.
If the case starts to go bad at trial Casey will reveal this. Witnesses will come forward with this info.
Baez is stuck. Casey managed to get him where she wants.
The release of video of Casey when the body of Caylee was located shows Baez with his hand on Caseys backside, his hand looks like it was in her pants in the back, because women have a top & bottom instead of a jumpsuit.When he put his hand on her back thats what hapened.
He does not want this released. Its not Casey hyperventilating that worries him.
He got Casey as a client because attys show up at the jail to try to get clients.
the jail guards inform the inmate; do not to take the first one. Take an atty that you feel will defend you to the best of their ability.
The first atty was an older man and Casey didnt like him.
the second atty was a woman and when she spoke with Casey she was appauled, it came down to morals as she felt Casey was guilty.
The third was Baez and he knew what to say and acted like he cared. Thats who Casey chose, it was HER choice.
He would not tell me who the old couple is that sends the A's money, but did say it was not Melanie Reiger (sp) group.
side note: it is this bondsmans opinion that TonE Lazzaro knew Caylee was dead. I asked him why he thought this; he said they were together 24/7 for that period of time. I disagreed with him on that.
He also told me LP never for a second thought casey would talk when he bonded her out. PUBLICITY only. He knows Lenny personally.

barf Baez has to go. Otherwise...APPEAL - APPEAL -APPEAL!!

The whole thing is disgusting imo.

Good job Peter. Thanks much.

imo

[Barbara fl.]

If Casey did that the old adage an attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client would never be more true.

I'm not sure a court would allow her or anyone to represent herself in a dealth penalty case. However, if she insisted and the court was satisfied after inquiry and perhaps another psych evaluation that she was competently making the decision I suppose the answer is yes. Baez and co would be limited to a support role and could not actively conduct the trial.

This is definitely one of those questions where y'all are really challanging my legal knowledge. Therefore most respectfully and decisively JMO


Hi Lapis, hope you kitty feels better....

The only two cases of murder that I heard where the defendant chose to defend themselves was the Long Island RR murderer and the woman who shot her husband (I forget the names)...both were murder cases and both lost the battle (understandably so).....and I don't believe that they had grounds for an appeal......

But I truly doubt that Casey would take that route.......

[Ckrdpast]

If Casey did that the old adage an attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client would never be more true.

I'm not sure a court would allow her or anyone to represent herself in a dealth penalty case. However, if she insisted and the court was satisfied after inquiry and perhaps another psych evaluation that she was competently making the decision I suppose the answer is yes. Baez and co would be limited to a support role and could not actively conduct the trial.

This is definitely one of those questions where y'all are really challanging my legal knowledge. Therefore most respectfully and decisively JMO


thanks, Lapis, and im sorry for giving you a headache--IIRC, Ted Bundy represented himself right here in the good ole state of florida

[Dells]

barf Baez has to go. Otherwise...APPEAL - APPEAL -APPEAL!!

The whole thing is disgusting imo.

Good job Peter. Thanks much.

imo

Bolding mine.....

I so agree w/you. Could any of the bar complaints against JB have anything to do w/his behavior/relationship w/Casey?:confused:

[Peter]

I would not be the least bit surprised that Baez and Casey were doing the deed in his office. She was a spider and he was the fly; what a dork.

From reading TonE's interviews with LE, I agree with you. I don't think he knew anything about Caylee's death either.

And the thing about Lenny? I guess we all knew that about him. He is a publicity wh*re, but I still love the guy.

Yep its all stuff we pretty much knew, but it is amazing to speak to someone who actually KNOWS some of the players.
Believe me theres more but my head is swimming and I need some lunch.

[eagleeer]

haha can you imagine if there is a legitimate company called Gator and a woman named Cindy works there and is being bombarded with misdirected hatemail all day!?? :laugh:

dgator.com is Dominic Casey's website.

[Peter]

Bolding mine.....

I so agree w/you. Could any of the bar complaints against JB have anything to do w/his behavior/relationship w/Casey?:confused:

Thats why I asked yesterday if anyone knew the third complaint because that could be very telling.
1.Strickland
2. Dominick Casey
3.we dont know???

[crimeq]

Yesterday, someone posted a link to one of the jail visits between George and Casey. In that interview, George told Casey that what happened to her when they picked her up that day was pre-determined by powers that be, like behind closed doors or something similar--long before they actually got to her (I'm paraphrasing wildly here).

When George was telling her that, he said something about "remember that happened to me too, way back when, in my situation" and Casey agreed, she remembered.

OK. There has been discussion about whether George really retired from LE or if he was asked to. The scenario he's referring to sounds like maybe he was asked to resign.

I suppose the incident referred to could be a result of his throwing his dad through a plate glass window--do we know if dad ever pressed charges, or had George arrested?

[Lapis]

thanks, Lapis, and im sorry for giving you a headache--IIRC, Ted Bundy represented himself right here in the good ole state of florida

However, IIRC Bundy went to law school. Casey barely graduated from high school. JMO

[Ckrdpast]

However, IIRC Bundy went to law school. Casey barely graduated from high school. JMO

RIght! maybe that's why casey supposedly has her nose stuck in law books!

[ladeebug565]

All of these CE pieces of the puzzle, that when put together will show a deceitful young mother, with no HS diploma, no future to support herself and her child other than stealing from her friends, her grandparents, and her own's childs piggybank. She was desperate. All she was interested in was the social party girl lets-get-drunk-and-sc*ew life she felt she was missing by having a child. And when that fight broke out on the night of father's day, that sent her over the edge. And unfortunately Caylee paid with her life. It's too bad that Annie wasn't around that night she could have fronted Casey some Xanax, and calmed her down, and quite possibly Caylee would be alive today.

I hem and haw over the actual act though. I had initially theorized that Casey came home on the 16th with Caylee, after Cindy had gone to work. The Lemming see's her leave that day, as he said, and when he went to work as a security guard, she comes home again (reference computer activity at 1400 on the home computer). She dumps the kid in the pool, and starts up on the internet at home. Caylee drowns in the pool, (reference Cadaver dog hits near the pool - reference the ladder out of place. Almost seems believable.

Even if that's what happened, it's the coverup and the lies that will send her to the needle. It's the smell in the car that wouldn't go away. It's the attempted deflections on the part of GA and CA with their supposed sightings in Gainesville and Coral Gables. It's the lack of emotion on Casey's part, or her lack of curiosity at the OCSO when she meets with mom and dad. Never asks about where are they searching, what have they found. It's the fact that she never took a polygraph (she probably would have nuked the polygraph machine). Never tried to at all clear her name.

LE had no choice, and they just followed the evidence trail.

My bold. I think the duct tape negates pool activity. My opinion is that the big blow-out fight was not just about money, but probably Casey's desire to go out and party that night. Cindy had already spent the day with Caylee, it was now up to Casey to do her job. Then, there was a "fine, you'll never see her again", a little something to make the child sleep and a little duct tape to keep her quiet if she woke up.

[trich]

Or maybe he sends his significant other funny text messages that she will alone will understand and find funny. I shudder to think what people could mishconstrue (pun intended) from my texts to my hubby. Sometimes our texts are simply inside jokes. I say they are having their privacy invaded. Shame on Jose.
JMO

what I want to know is how can they prove what was said if Kronk did
have phone conversations with friends that work in the jail.
They are all employees of the city and I can see someone calling him and saying things such as "I am watching this Casey person right now, or something like you know she has not shed a tear since I have seen her, or boy she looks so young etc.
I also think as another poster already mentioned that if someone overheard conversation between Baez and Casey about where Caylee was that the remains would have been found back in August.
I also was under the impression that a lawyer and client had to be alone when anything was discussed in order to mantain priviledge.
If Baez and Casey were discussing her case with others around would not that be their bad and break priviledge.:shrug:

[Katprint]

If Casey did that the old adage an attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client would never be more true.

I'm not sure a court would allow her or anyone to represent herself in a dealth penalty case. However, if she insisted and the court was satisfied after inquiry and perhaps another psych evaluation that she was competently making the decision I suppose the answer is yes. Baez and co would be limited to a support role and could not actively conduct the trial.

This is definitely one of those questions where y'all are really challanging my legal knowledge. Therefore most respectfully and decisively JMO
My initial gut instinct agrees with your initial gut instinct. I remember when Charles Manson insisted on representing himself, although the court revoked permission for continued self-representation because Manson behaved badly (what a surprise) and appointed defense lawyers for him over his objection. Similarly, Ted Bundy insisted on representing himself but at least he was a college graduate and had even attended law school briefly.

However, I would note two important facts: First, both of those defendants were convicted and sentenced to death. The reason Charles Manson was not executed is because California's death penalty at the time was overturned by the California Supreme Court in an unrelated decision and all of the death row inmates' sentences were commuted to life imprisonment. Second, I do not believe there was the same statutory Qualified Death Penalty Attorney requirement that Florida currently has. A criminal defendant can waive their constitutional right to counsel just like they can waive their right to a jury trial, but the Florida criminal procedure statutes might still require appointment of a death penalty qualified attorney in a death penalty case.

Too bad we don't seem to have any Florida-licensed attorneys posting on this board.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Pretty Leaf]

It is hard to imagine at this point but I totally agree with you. We had a sensational case here in Canada a few years ago, (Paul Benardo) and at the time everyone thought they would always be in the news but gratefully they have been long forgot to rot in jail. As hard as it is to believe, sadly there will always be another horrific crime to trump the first.. IMO :sad:

Karla is not rotting in jail,she in fact is liviing in the Caribbean with new husband and they have a child. Sweetheart deal.

The mere fact that she is out and about drives me crazy.:cursing:

[missinglink]

to Lizzie and all:
Well I"M back and a little dissapointed. I couldn't take notes, but ill do the best I can. the bounty hunter/bailbondsman info is as follows:
He has an office in St. Cloud. His secretary Dottie is really good friends with Baez's ex secretary.(hence the EX) She told bondsman that I met, that indeed Casey and baez were having sex. (those 8 hr days in his office) Baez secretary quit because of this.
If the case starts to go bad at trial Casey will reveal this. Witnesses will come forward with this info.
Baez is stuck. Casey managed to get him where she wants.
The release of video of Casey when the body of Caylee was located shows Baez with his hand on Caseys backside, his hand looks like it was in her pants in the back, because women have a top & bottom instead of a jumpsuit.When he put his hand on her back thats what hapened.
He does not want this released. Its not Casey hyperventilating that worries him.
He got Casey as a client because attys show up at the jail to try to get clients.
the jail guards inform the inmate; do not to take the first one. Take an atty that you feel will defend you to the best of their ability.
The first atty was an older man and Casey didnt like him.
the second atty was a woman and when she spoke with Casey she was appauled, it came down to morals as she felt Casey was guilty.
The third was Baez and he knew what to say and acted like he cared. Thats who Casey chose, it was HER choice.
He would not tell me who the old couple is that sends the A's money, but did say it was not Melanie Reiger (sp) group.
side note: it is this bondsmans opinion that TonE Lazzaro knew Caylee was dead. I asked him why he thought this; he said they were together 24/7 for that period of time. I disagreed with him on that.
He also told me LP never for a second thought casey would talk when he bonded her out. PUBLICITY only. He knows Lenny personally.

Oh my freakin' :scared::w00t::w00t:

[ttcRider]

Does anyone recall (off the top of their head) what clothing was found with Caylee? I am curious to know if it was the same outfit she wore during her visit to papa on Father's Day.
TIA

[Lapis]

RIght! maybe that's why casey supposedly has her nose stuck in law books!

Well she may have three years to read enough before this case actually comes to trial. LOL

[5boxersmom]

Does anyone recall (off the top of their head) what clothing was found with Caylee? I am curious to know if it was the same outfit she wore during her visit to papa on Father's Day.
TIA

White shorts with stripes. I think a pink shirt that said big trouble on it.

imo

[djmsmom]

Does anyone recall (off the top of their head) what clothing was found with Caylee? I am curious to know if it was the same outfit she wore during her visit to papa on Father's Day.
TIA

IIRC the same striped shorts and pink top she was wearing on fathers day.

[5boxersmom]

Oh my freakin' :scared::w00t::w00t:

I Know I Know.

[Lavinia]

RIght! maybe that's why casey supposedly has her nose stuck in law books!

Oh gosh 80% of inmates go to the law library. :rolleyes: We had to go once a shift to various boxes in the compound to get sick calls requests and grievances and you wouldn't believe the law library KRAP we had to wade through. "Nurse Smith didn't give me a band-aid when I had a blister on my foot and it says in Bocephus VS Texas that when railroad crossings are down and the motorist attempts to thwart the protective arms even if a train is not visible.....Blah, blah, blah." 99.9% of them are clueless when it comes to law books. I have no doubt Casey is amongst that population. She will have plenty of time to hone her skills though.

ETA: The law library is one of the few air-conditioned building in the compound, ergo all the scholars.

[missinglink]

:scared:Bolding mine.....

I so agree w/you. Could any of the bar complaints against JB have anything to do w/his behavior/relationship w/Casey?:confused:

Maybe the secretary is the third complaintant! JMO.

[shelkobe]

Pardon my ignorance, but who is DG?
I'm in and out so this may have been answered, but DG is the poster named ~Daddy's Girl~ (or something like that.) I don't think that's who it was who posted about people donating to the defense, though.

[penguinlady]

to Lizzie and all:

**SNIPPED**

Baez is stuck. Casey managed to get him where she wants.
The release of video of Casey when the body of Caylee was located shows Baez with his hand on Caseys backside, his hand looks like it was in her pants in the back, because women have a top & bottom instead of a jumpsuit.When he put his hand on her back thats what hapened.
He does not want this released. Its not Casey hyperventilating that worries him.


I was up in the air on whether or not I wanted to see the video..my mind is made up now.

SHOW US THE VIDEO! :ohmy:

IMO
K

[ttcRider]

White shorts with stripes. I think a pink shirt that said big trouble on it.

imo

Big thanks 5boxersmom. :wub:

[Lavinia]

:scared:

Maybe the secretary is the third complaintant! JMO.

WoooHoooo! Let us hope~ :beer:

[ttcRider]

How many of us are surprised, IF true, that she was having sex with Baez!? :lol:

[Neffy]

:scared:

Maybe the secretary is the third complaintant! JMO.

That's the first thing that came to mind (well after barf that is)

[spiritwolf46]

to Lizzie and all:
Well I"M back and a little dissapointed. I couldn't take notes, but ill do the best I can. the bounty hunter/bailbondsman info is as follows:
He has an office in St. Cloud. His secretary Dottie is really good friends with Baez's ex secretary.(hence the EX) She told bondsman that I met, that indeed Casey and baez were having sex. (those 8 hr days in his office) Baez secretary quit because of this.
If the case starts to go bad at trial Casey will reveal this. Witnesses will come forward with this info.
Baez is stuck. Casey managed to get him where she wants.
The release of video of Casey when the body of Caylee was located shows Baez with his hand on Caseys backside, his hand looks like it was in her pants in the back, because women have a top & bottom instead of a jumpsuit.When he put his hand on her back thats what hapened.
He does not want this released. Its not Casey hyperventilating that worries him.
He got Casey as a client because attys show up at the jail to try to get clients.
the jail guards inform the inmate; do not to take the first one. Take an atty that you feel will defend you to the best of their ability.
The first atty was an older man and Casey didnt like him.
the second atty was a woman and when she spoke with Casey she was appauled, it came down to morals as she felt Casey was guilty.
The third was Baez and he knew what to say and acted like he cared. Thats who Casey chose, it was HER choice.
He would not tell me who the old couple is that sends the A's money, but did say it was not Melanie Reiger (sp) group.
side note: it is this bondsmans opinion that TonE Lazzaro knew Caylee was dead. I asked him why he thought this; he said they were together 24/7 for that period of time. I disagreed with him on that.
He also told me LP never for a second thought casey would talk when he bonded her out. PUBLICITY only. He knows Lenny personally.

WOW, Peter! Thank you for this info!

All I can say is that I hope Baez is called out for the piece of junk he is!

[Dick Tracy]

That jaw on the floor is mine. I'll need it if I can ever eat again after this visual, so please don't step on it. Dental work is expensive.

:scared:

My jaw is down there on the floor with you. This is a BOMBSHELL of huge proportions, like Hydrogen Nuclear kinda sorta.

Casey having sex with JB - he should immediately pull out (no pun intended) of this...

I'll bet the state knows some of this already.

Thanks for the freak out Peter!

[101Spots]

:scared:

Maybe the secretary is the third complaintant! JMO.

If not, perhaps Peter could pass along that suggestion. :sneaky:

[eagleeer]

Peter, have you or your bounty hunter received a subpeona yet? :ohmy:

[spiritwolf46]

How many of us are surprised, IF true, that she was having sex with Baez!? :lol:


Hi ttc!

I am sure not surprised, but am truly hopeful that this male skank will be investigated for it!

Actually, IF he did do this, and I truly think that he did, what can be done?

He makes me barf

BBL guys!

[seeing_eye]

LOL! We could all be in major trouble if LE ever wanted to check out our computers. They would either believe we were somehow involved in this case or that we were sad, fat, friendless bloggers. :rolleyes:

We're not friendless. We got each other! :wub:

[need2no]

My bold. I think the duct tape negates pool activity. My opinion is that the big blow-out fight was not just about money, but probably Casey's desire to go out and party that night. Cindy had already spent the day with Caylee, it was now up to Casey to do her job. Then, there was a "fine, you'll never see her again", a little something to make the child sleep and a little duct tape to keep her quiet if she woke up.

I've always wondered why casey took Caylee to Cindy on FD in the 1st place. From what Shirley P. said it appears casey was gone from the home most, if not all, of the 1st two weeks in June...then she appears with Caylee on Father's day and turns her over to Cindy. Maybe she was trying to get on Cindy's good side so she would babysit for her that night. What casey didn't anticipate was Cindy coming home royally PO'ed and jumping in her chit.
ITA, she probably screamed "you will never see Caylee again" as she grabbed her and dashed out the door in a fit of anger and rage.

[missinglink]

My jaw is down there on the floor with you. This is a BOMBSHELL of huge proportions, like Hydrogen Nuclear kinda sorta.

Casey having sex with JB - he should immediately pull out (no pun intended) of this...

I'll bet the state knows some of this already.

Thanks for the freak out Peter!

:lol: No pun. :tongueside:

[Lapis]

what I want to know is how can they prove what was said if Kronk did
have phone conversations with friends that work in the jail.
They are all employees of the city and I can see someone calling him and saying things such as "I am watching this Casey person right now, or something like you know she has not shed a tear since I have seen her, or boy she looks so young etc.
I also think as another poster already mentioned that if someone overheard conversation between Baez and Casey about where Caylee was that the remains would have been found back in August.
I also was under the impression that a lawyer and client had to be alone when anything was discussed in order to mantain priviledge.
If Baez and Casey were discussing her case with others around would not that be their bad and break priviledge.:shrug:

We been through this many times. At times it is necessary for an attorney to speak with his/her client with deputies and/or jail personnel present. This does not break the priviledge. She and all jail inmates have the right to speak with an attorney and expect the priviledge to attach. JMO

[Neffy]

Peter, have you or your bounty hunter received a subpeona yet? :ohmy:

:confused: :rolleyes:

Peter, I appreciate the fact that your passing on what you've heard.

Thanks again.

[ttcRider]

Todays 'Freak Out' winner comes compliments of Peter! :thumbsup:
clap! clap! clap! Well done Peter!!

Tomorrow's draw will take place same time as todays.

[missinglink]

WoooHoooo! Let us hope~ :beer:

I'm still speechless about his hands! If this was on tape, wouldn't they have already made him step down or more? Or does everything have to go through the right channels?