Wednesday, May 27, 2009 #1

[Imperfect4]

Since we've all got Cindy in our address books now, I sent her a letter asking her this very question. I highly doubt that she'll answer me, but I feel better getting it off my huge Joy Wray chest. :smile:

OMG!! :lol:

[Daffodil]

Uhm I am trying not to thank you very much.

I'm sorry. You live there, don't you? Clebration City is nice but I'm sure there are some deep dark secrets there as well.

We drove down a couple of years ago. I have to say how surprised and appalled I was that there were so many billboards advertising one form or another of adult entertainment. I think I may have even written a letter to the governor.

[really3997]

Good night all the snoring is getting louder must go now or I will never get to sleep :sneaky:

[kanzz]

It's funny because I can talk badazz til the cows come home, but when a human is in my ER gasping for air or crying for their mother because they are in such pain and/or scared, I'm the biggest cream-puff that ever lived. I worked with nurses who got glee out of it but I never could harden to that and if I would have started to, I would have left before I did. I'm too soft for my own good. I can talk a mean game though! :laugh:

OMG! not to insult you or anything - but you could be describing ME! and my background is also ER! wow -- kinda freaked me out, really.

:)

[Daffodil]

o/t are you o.k.? Been worried.




I think we are all hoping that you are hanging in there.

[Lapis]

I can buy that. But would it ever be released? After the verdict, say, in 2015?

I suppose after the verdict and appeals are exhausted the media could make a request that it be released. If it is denied I suppose they could renew it after her death, natural or otherwise. JMO

[Carol25]

I have read most of this thread and just had to add my 2 cents. I think it certainly would be standard policy to have the medical clinic under video at all times especially if the have inmates coming in for psychiatric reasons.

The courts would need some sort of proof if the Dr.s are asking for a different type of confinement (psychiatric ward) for the inmates. And zooming in on patients wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility either.

[bchand]

Since this case, I signed up for news updates at a few tv stations. I used to keep tabs open of all the stations, the webcam, newspapers, etc. Is it me, or did anyone else notice all the crime in Orlando? How ironic when they have so many tourists coming there.

It's not just you. Reading their local websites is an eye-opener. Orlando was named the 6th most dangerous city in the US according to Forbes Magazine in April.

[really3997]

I'm sorry. You live there, don't you? Clebration City is nice but I'm sure there are some deep dark secrets there as well.

We drove down a couple of years ago. I have to say how surprised and appalled I was that there were so many billboards advertising one form or another of adult entertainment. I think I may have even written a letter to the governor.

Yes and close to my neighborhood we have a crazy family that just can't help themselves with stories of nannys, boats and bears...Oh my:cursing:

[legalmania]

Since this case, I signed up for news updates at a few tv stations. I used to keep tabs open of all the stations, the webcam, newspapers, etc. Is it me, or did anyone else notice all the crime in Orlando? How ironic when they have so many tourists coming there.

I moved to Orlando in 1990 and there was no crime. The biggest thing was somebodies lawnmower got stolen. Now look at it. The tourist have to stay in Buena Vista which is a little town owned by Disney. They have like their own government. It's pretty safe there.

[101Spots]

I think we are all hoping that you are hanging in there.

Second the motion.

[101Spots]

I suppose after the verdict and appeals are exhausted the media could make a request that it be released. If it is denied I suppose they could renew it after her death, natural or otherwise. JMO

I can wait for the end of the trial. Her death.... well, only if the DP is enforced pronto.

[bchand]

This morning Peter wrote:

"As I was out working today, I met a bounty hunter that knows ALL about Casey's case, including Lenny. He gave me a world of info.
Biaz is in big trouble, thats why he's quiet. There really is a family in CT. that donates to Caey and C&G. They have given over a 1/2 million dollars so far!!! They bailed out casey the second time, they helped pay for Casey defense. They send C & G 5 grand a month!!! WTH!!!"

I have doubts about this story of the generous family. It costs money to give away money. If you give a married couple more than 26,000 per year you must pay gift taxes. So a 1/2 million dollars is a bunch to pay gift taxes on let alone give away to strangers. I don't believe the story. With all due respect to Peter.

Wait til you catch up with Peter's afternoon post !!

[Daffodil]

I moved to Orlando in 1990 and there was no crime. The biggest thing was somebodies lawnmower got stolen. Now look at it. The tourist have to stay in Buena Vista which is a little town owned by Disney. They have like their own government. It's pretty safe there.


I forgot where we stayed but it was sort of around the corner from Dolphin Cove (not sure if that is correct name) at a Marriott timeshare. I had no clue there was so much crime.

[ms1950]

What really scares me is that LE may have not crossed all of their t's and dotted all of their i's. While we hope that LE acts in the best interests of all victims, this being such a high profile case, they should have been EXTRA careful in all they did. To think that there are a "circus tent" full of defense attorneys ready to pull apart each little bit of evidence and not have LE on top of thier game scares the crap out of me. We all want justice for Caylee.

JMO

[kanzz]

I will not be the one to defend JB's legal skills. What I am interested in is the legal principles involved. I would hate to give unneccessary reasons for appeal based upon a little overzealousness by LE. Courts hate the violation of the defendant's rights and will not approach the analysis as we do on this board of "who cares she's guilty". JMO

ITA. And I think this particular issue is the best example yet of a reason for a possible appeal.

[seeing_eye]

ITs not easy but it is what the law requires. In the end her rights will be protected if her accused murderer gets a fair trial the first time and is convicted. JMO

I know you're right. I don't want anything to go wrong with the trial either. I want everything to be aboveboard so there will never be any question about the fairness of it. It's just hard to keep emotions in check when I think about what happened to a defenseless little child.

[bchand]

What really scares me is that LE may have not crossed all of their t's and dotted all of their i's. While we hope that LE acts in the best interests of all victims, this being such a high profile case, they should have been EXTRA careful in all they did. To think that there are a "circus tent" full of defense attorneys ready to pull apart each little bit of evidence and not have LE on top of thier game scares the crap out of me. We all want justice for Caylee.

JMO

I'm with you. I think we'd all better be prepared to see some evidence that we know about never make it into the trial.

I wish all prosecutors could be as impeccable as Alan Jackson in CA, but that just doesn't happen.

[MDdetective]

to Lizzie and all:
Well I"M back and a little dissapointed. I couldn't take notes, but ill do the best I can. the bounty hunter/bailbondsman info is as follows:
He has an office in St. Cloud. His secretary Dottie is really good friends with Baez's ex secretary.(hence the EX) She told bondsman that I met, that indeed Casey and baez were having sex. (those 8 hr days in his office) Baez secretary quit because of this.
If the case starts to go bad at trial Casey will reveal this. Witnesses will come forward with this info.
Baez is stuck. Casey managed to get him where she wants.
The release of video of Casey when the body of Caylee was located shows Baez with his hand on Caseys backside, his hand looks like it was in her pants in the back, because women have a top & bottom instead of a jumpsuit.When he put his hand on her back thats what hapened.
He does not want this released. Its not Casey hyperventilating that worries him.
He got Casey as a client because attys show up at the jail to try to get clients.
the jail guards inform the inmate; do not to take the first one. Take an atty that you feel will defend you to the best of their ability.
The first atty was an older man and Casey didnt like him.
the second atty was a woman and when she spoke with Casey she was appauled, it came down to morals as she felt Casey was guilty.
The third was Baez and he knew what to say and acted like he cared. Thats who Casey chose, it was HER choice.
He would not tell me who the old couple is that sends the A's money, but did say it was not Melanie Reiger (sp) group.
side note: it is this bondsmans opinion that TonE Lazzaro knew Caylee was dead. I asked him why he thought this; he said they were together 24/7 for that period of time. I disagreed with him on that.
He also told me LP never for a second thought casey would talk when he bonded her out. PUBLICITY only. He knows Lenny personally.

This is as good a place is any for my first post......OMG Bozo got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (so to speak) first thought ahoh :ohmy: then ewwww :scared: then hehehehehe :thumbsup: he's going down (so to speak) Hello to Everyone !!!!
P.S. what does OC stand for ????
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[ms1950]

I have read most of this thread and just had to add my 2 cents. I think it certainly would be standard policy to have the medical clinic under video at all times especially if the have inmates coming in for psychiatric reasons.

The courts would need some sort of proof if the Dr.s are asking for a different type of confinement (psychiatric ward) for the inmates. And zooming in on patients wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility either.

Hi Carol25

Thanks for your input. I agree, I would think that video cameras are all over that jail. Exactly what kind of "privacy" does an inmate have? I would think that conversation with your attorney is the only "privacy" that can be expected. It will be an interesting argument in court tomorrow, that's for sure!

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

well we have to go to a funeral tomorrow in the morning and we will not be back before court is over. So, I will be here in the afternoon counting on you all to fill me in. Thank you in advance:wub:Me too, nana... I have ONE meeting tomorrow... at 10 am, of course. :cursing:

[Oregongal]

Fine as far as you go....but why video it, why zoom in on her, why not give her the medical attention if the staff is standing by, why keep notes, why save the tape and transfer it to video and why turn it over to LE?

You know I love you Lapis, btw, how's your kitty?....But, I have to ask this, do we know they zoomed in on her? They did give her medical attention when she asked for it and don't these people keep notes as a rule?
The bolded part, I have no idea if this is SOP or if they did it on purpose for LE, because the investigation is still on going.
Like I said, I love you and you have taught me a great deal about the legal aspects of this case so understand I'm not trying to be dense, I'm just trying to be logical and understand. The first questions you asked, I see logical answers to. The bolded ones, I also wonder about. I too would like to know if they as SOP save the tapes and transfer to video AND if since the case is still under investigation, them turning the video over to LE may be SOP?
Maybe you can answer or maybe we'll have to wait til tomorrow and see what the judge decides.
Oh, goody, we get to see JB stutter and ummm his way thru many minutes of trying to say what could be said in a a couple of minutes.
:w00t:

[Imperfect4]

This is as good a place is any for my first post......OMG Bozo got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (so to speak) first thought ahoh :ohmy: then ewwww :scared: then hehehehehe he's going down (so to speak) Hello to Everyone !!!!
P.S. what does OC stand for ????
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Hello and welcome. :smile:

OC stands for Odious Creature, a phrase coined by Mark Klaas early on in this case.

[legalmania]

I know you're right. I don't want anything to go wrong with the trial either. I want everything to be aboveboard so there will never be any question about the fairness of it. It's just hard to keep emotions in check when I think about what happened to a defenseless little child.

I agree I don't want grounds for a mistrial and unnecessary delays, I want there to be no question that she received a fair and uneventful trial.

[Dells]

This is as good a place is any for my first post......OMG Bozo got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (so to speak) first thought ahoh :ohmy: then ewwww :scared: then hehehehehe :thumbsup: he's going down (so to speak) Hello to Everyone !!!!
P.S. what does OC stand for ????
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Welcome to the board!

OC stands for odious creature. It is a name that Marc Klaas coined for Casey when he was a guest on the Nancy Grace show a while ago.

[Carol25]

Could this be a telling statement in the motion?.....

Page 05/17, Paragraph beginning First and Foremost... 7 lines down.

"in the back drop of this medical privacy issue is the fact that is video tape has been highly inflammatory and the release of the Uncer and Richardson interview, in violation of a court order, contributed to incomplete, incorrect, misleading and salacious information improperly in the public...."

Could this be his "hank panky hand" incident? Would he be so stupid as to put it in his motion?

[legalmania]

You know I love you Lapis, btw, how's your kitty?....But, I have to ask this, do we know they zoomed in on her? They did give her medical attention when she asked for it and don't these people keep notes as a rule?
The bolded part, I have no idea if this is SOP or if they did it on purpose for LE, because the investigation is still on going.
Like I said, I love you and you have taught me a great deal about the legal aspects of this case so understand I'm not trying to be dense, I'm just trying to be logical and understand. The first questions you asked, I see logical answers to. The bolded ones, I also wonder about. I too would like to know if they as SOP save the tapes and transfer to video AND if since the case is still under investigation, them turning the video over to LE may be SOP?
Maybe you can answer or maybe we'll have to wait til tomorrow and see what the judge decides.
Oh, goody, we get to see JB stutter and ummm his way thru many minutes of trying to say what could be said in a a couple of minutes.
:w00t:

I was saying that I felt it necessary to tape because if she had a bruise or scratch it would have been questioned. This way there is documented proof there wasn't any physical abuse. The guards admitted they felt bad about her sitting by herself but I'm sure they would have felt a lot worse if she said they hurt her, or if she did get hurt. They could have done a couple of things differently but they said they really had no protocol for this kind of situation.

[gaelicpeas]

I read Jose's motion. The problem as I see it is that he took deposition quotes out of context. I would like to see the full transcripts of those depositions.

Btw, thanks Lapis for your answer a day or two ago to my post. I ended up going to sleep and never acknowledged your answer!

ETA: lmao... misspelled depositions...

[gaelicpeas]

This is as good a place is any for my first post......OMG Bozo got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (so to speak) first thought ahoh :ohmy: then ewwww :scared: then hehehehehe :thumbsup: he's going down (so to speak) Hello to Everyone !!!!
P.S. what does OC stand for ????
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Welcome to the board, MDdet!

[Lapis]

You know I love you Lapis, btw, how's your kitty?....But, I have to ask this, do we know they zoomed in on her? They did give her medical attention when she asked for it and don't these people keep notes as a rule?
The bolded part, I have no idea if this is SOP or if they did it on purpose for LE, because the investigation is still on going.
Like I said, I love you and you have taught me a great deal about the legal aspects of this case so understand I'm not trying to be dense, I'm just trying to be logical and understand. The first questions you asked, I see logical answers to. The bolded ones, I also wonder about. I too would like to know if they as SOP save the tapes and transfer to video AND if since the case is still under investigation, them turning the video over to LE may be SOP?
Maybe you can answer or maybe we'll have to wait til tomorrow and see what the judge decides.
Oh, goody, we get to see JB stutter and ummm his way thru many minutes of trying to say what could be said in a a couple of minutes.
:w00t:

You may not have had a chance to read the motion. It is not the most eloquent but he quotes from the depositions of the guards. They are the ones who stated that they never heard of an inmate being zoomed in on, they were specifically told to keep notes and turn them over to their superiors and they had never done that before. As I stated earlier, Casey is in jail accused but not convicted therefore she still has rights. If she were out of jail, would LE have been able to put a camera in the home absent a search warrant. The short answer is no. The guards also testified that they did not give her any medical attention for 30-45 minutes despite the fact that medical personnel was standing by. They also testified that they were following instructions by their superiors and they had not heard of the saving or transferring of the tapes to LE. Their testimony is quite interesting as to what went on before the taping and the conversations they had with other jail personnel.

I think it is incumbant upon those who run the jail (now that these allegation by jail personnel are out there) to produce the written SOPs and demonstrate how they followed them in this case. This is not just JB's spin, he quotes passages from their depositions.

JMO

[Daffodil]

Good night everyone. It was nice posting with you all tonight.

[Oregongal]

I don't think it's going to be anyone famous, but I could be wrong, and sometimes am. I just hope it's not someone I admire, unless it's Bob Shapiro.

We would have known something by now. I wonder if this new lawyer is going to "parachute in"!!?? Wouldn't that be the cats-azz????

Bob Shapiro would be interesting. I think you're right DT, I don't think it's going to be anyone famous either.
It will probably be someone we'll all be googling the minute we hear his/her name.
I keep thinking Geragos, but surely JB wouldn't be that stupid to bring in an attorney that already has a client on death row.
:w00t:
Could it just be LKB? No one new at all?
I don't know how this all works so I'm just asking.

[legalmania]

Good night everyone. It was nice posting with you all tonight.


Me to I'm sleepy:seeya:



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[seeing_eye]

This is as good a place is any for my first post......OMG Bozo got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (so to speak) first thought ahoh :ohmy: then ewwww :scared: then hehehehehe :thumbsup: he's going down (so to speak) Hello to Everyone !!!!
P.S. what does OC stand for ????
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Welcome to the board, MDdetective!

"Jose's hand in the cookie jar," so far, is only a third-hand rumor. Hopefully proof will be forthcoming, but we'll just have to wait and see. You know how "bounty hunters" have a tendency to embellish.

[Carol25]

If it comes down to the fact that they were having an affair, logically speaking JB will be punished, but who was using who? They were both adults, and this may have been her attempt to get the best counsel from him eliminating all other clients as well. It should not be appeal able. JMO.

[lizzard]

Could this be a telling statement in the motion?.....

Page 05/17, Paragraph beginning First and Foremost... 7 lines down.

"in the back drop of this medical privacy issue is the fact that is video tape has been highly inflammatory and the release of the Uncer and Richardson interview, in violation of a court order, contributed to incomplete, incorrect, misleading and salacious information improperly in the public...."

Could this be his "hank panky hand" incident? Would he be so stupid as to put it in his motion?
my bold

:punch::tonguewag:

[Carol25]

my bold

:punch::tonguewag:
You're right. My bad.

[Imperfect4]

If it comes down to the fact that they were having an affair, logically speaking JB will be punished, but who was using who? They were both adults, and this may have been her attempt to get the best counsel from him eliminating all other clients as well. It should not be appeal able. JMO.

I agree. I suppose it's too much to hope they'll just spontaneously combust and we'll never have to hear from or see them again. :rolleyes:

[MDdetective]

Hello and welcome. :smile:

OC stands for Odious Creature, a phrase coined by Mark Klaas early on in this case.

Thanks :biggrin:

[Oregongal]

o/t are you o.k.? Been worried.

Since it is o/t tried to send you a pm, says you are not receiving.
So, yes, I'm hanging in as best I can.
I'm going to meet with a couple of real estate peeps my friend hooked me up with to discuss the situation within the next week. Don't know if it will do any good. But, I'm willing to do anything I can.
Thank you all for your love, support, concern and prayers.
I don't have the words to express how good it is to come here and know I am among friends that really care.
:wub: you all!!!!

[MDdetective]

Welcome to the board!

OC stands for odious creature. It is a name that Marc Klaas coined for Casey when he was a guest on the Nancy Grace show a while ago.

Thanks :biggrin:

[Oregongal]

This is as good a place is any for my first post......OMG Bozo got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (so to speak) first thought ahoh :ohmy: then ewwww :scared: then hehehehehe :thumbsup: he's going down (so to speak) Hello to Everyone !!!!
P.S. what does OC stand for ????
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Welcome Md!!!
I just read Peter's post/claim as you quoted it. And you know what, am not surprised if it is true, but I would have to have a bit more proof to accept it as true.
With all that Peter said, I can certainly see why JB does not want that vid released. Again tho, I would need more proof.
I'm hoping it is true, except that would mean the trial would be postponed for who knows how much longer as arrangements are made for another attorney for her...I'm assuming if he was busted with this kind of mis conduct with a client he'd be kicked off this case so fast his eyes wouldn't be able to focus for months.
Oh, OC is a name that Mark Klass gave Casey months and months ago....it stands for Odious Creature.
Again, welcome.

[Neffy]

You know I skimmed thru it again. Amazing how Jose complains of inflammatory statements were released publicly and how this tape will inflame the public yet he is doing the same thing here. In a nutshell this is a work in progress its not finished and he releases information out of context and unsubstaniated at this point. He KNOWS this is being released yet he believes he has priviledge to do this.

Playing games. The law according to Baez. What applies to others does not apply to him.

IIRC and whether true or not is yet to be seen but the Pros claim it was NOT intentional what they'd released. Baez is releasing this information with purpose and lobbing accusations at the Pros using it.

This will be quite interesting.

[Oregongal]

You may not have had a chance to read the motion. It is not the most eloquent but he quotes from the depositions of the guards. They are the ones who stated that they never heard of an inmate being zoomed in on, they were specifically told to keep notes and turn them over to their superiors and they had never done that before. As I stated earlier, Casey is in jail accused but not convicted therefore she still has rights. If she were out of jail, would LE have been able to put a camera in the home absent a search warrant. The short answer is no. The guards also testified that they did not give her any medical attention for 30-45 minutes despite the fact that medical personnel was standing by. They also testified that they were following instructions by their superiors and they had not heard of the saving or transferring of the tapes to LE. Their testimony is quite interesting as to what went on before the taping and the conversations they had with other jail personnel.

I think it is incumbant upon those who run the jail (now that these allegation by jail personnel are out there) to produce the written SOPs and demonstrate how they followed them in this case. This is not just JB's spin, he quotes passages from their depositions.

JMO

You're right I didn't get a chance to read the motion, been kind of caught up in my own RL lately.
I now understand what you were saying, thank you again darlin Lapis for another lesson.
:wub:
Again, how's your kitty?

[Imperfect4]

Since it is o/t tried to send you a pm, says you are not receiving.
So, yes, I'm hanging in as best I can.
I'm going to meet with a couple of real estate peeps my friend hooked me up with to discuss the situation within the next week. Don't know if it will do any good. But, I'm willing to do anything I can.
Thank you all for your love, support, concern and prayers.
I don't have the words to express how good it is to come here and know I am among friends that really care.
:wub: you all!!!!

:wub: backatcha, OG. Hang in there.

[Lapis]

You're right I didn't get a chance to read the motion, been kind of caught up in my own RL lately.
I now understand what you were saying, thank you again darlin Lapis for another lesson.
:wub:
Again, how's your kitty?

You are very welcome. I know we all get bogged down.
Didn't want to be banned again will PM

[crimeq]

Hi all, I'm coming in at the end of the day, tail of the thread here and see references to Jose's motion for tomorrow -- can anyone point me to the location in the thread where there's a copy of that? TIA :wub:

[gaelicpeas]

Hi all, I'm coming in at the end of the day, tail of the thread here and see references to Jose's motion for tomorrow -- can anyone point me to the location in the thread where there's a copy of that? TIA :wub:here ya go, crimeq...

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0527/19583157.pdf

[Neffy]

Thank you for sharing REAL, TRUE, LEGAL, and personal insight into this matter. Its refreshing to hear things interpreted and analysis from an impartial stance.

Then maybe you should read the board more often and not inflame other posters to get the responses that you do. :)

Tell me Shekeria. What is the standard time an inmate waits is to be seen by medical personnel? What orders were the Dr's given to follow this? Why are inflammatory remarks in this motion out of order and unsubstantiated and written off by Baez as basically a work in progress that it's not validated but it's the worst we can come up with to counter what we're accusing the Pros of leaving out of documents the Pros are taking by the stance released in error.

Who's inflamming the public here? Who's lobbed some pretty hefty allegations and put them in print in a written motion to vilify the Pros doing the same thing but with purpose?

This is several complaints rolled in to one with no case law stated just throwing rocks.

[crimeq]

I agree. But the omission is glaringly obvious, and when coupled with them going on and on and on about THEMSELVES, serves only to further inflame the public against them. It's disgraceful the way they simply don't ever mention that CAYLEE was the victim -- they talk instead of their own "victimization" -- a group of adults who had choices and options and screwed up royally, every one of them. They can barely say the child's name. It's sooooo obvious. And so WRONG.

Their euphemism is "Caylee's Tragedy".

Uh huh. Caylee was tragically murdered by her own mother, and however she was killed, it wasn't comfortable to die.

[Oregongal]

here ya go, crimeq...

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0527/19583157.pdf

Thanks for this peas, I haven't had a chance to read it either, guess I'll head over there now.

[MDdetective]

Welcome to the board, MDdet!

Thanks :biggrin:

[Neffy]

Their euphemism is "Caylee's Tragedy".

Uh huh. Caylee was tragically murdered by her own mother, and however she was killed, it wasn't comfortable to die.


Ah yes, correct indeed. Not a clue or care about what happened. It just did.

[gaelicpeas]

Thanks for this peas, I haven't had a chance to read it either, guess I'll head over there now.You're welcome... and I am off to bed... enjoy the evening.

[Oregongal]

Then maybe you should read the board more often and not inflame other posters to get the responses that you do. :)

Tell me Shekeria. What is the standard time an inmate waits is to be seen by medical personnel? What orders were the Dr's given to follow this? Why are inflammatory remarks in this motion out of order and unsubstantiated and written off by Baez as basically a work in progress that it's not validated but it's the worst we can come up with to counter what we're accusing the Pros of leaving out of documents the Pros are taking by the stance released in error.

Who's inflamming the public here? Who's lobbed some pretty hefty allegations and put them in print in a written motion to vilify the Pros doing the same thing but with purpose?

Neffy darlin, may I give you a gentle reminder....skip and scroll.
A bit selfishness on my part, I don't want to have to figure out what new dress you may be wearing. I get so :confused: trying to follow the fashion show. And this poster is not worth it.
:wub: and hugs!!!!

[Neffy]

Thanks for this peas, I haven't had a chance to read it either, guess I'll head over there now.

OG! :seeya:

It's annoying alright and I wish you luck in not getting aggravated reading it.

[lizzard]

Their euphemism is "Caylee's Tragedy".

Uh huh. Caylee was tragically murdered by her own mother, and however she was killed, it wasn't comfortable to die.

Nope, crimeq. She didn't die. She terminally evented. :cursing:

[Oregongal]

You're welcome... and I am off to bed... enjoy the evening.

Good night darlin, sleep well.
:wub:

[Neffy]

Neffy darlin, may I give you a gentle reminder....skip and scroll.
A bit selfishness on my part, I don't want to have to figure out what new dress you may be wearing. I get so :confused: trying to follow the fashion show. And this poster is not worth it.
:wub: and hugs!!!!

:wub: Backatcha!

[Neffy]

Could this be a telling statement in the motion?.....

Page 05/17, Paragraph beginning First and Foremost... 7 lines down.

"in the back drop of this medical privacy issue is the fact that is video tape has been highly inflammatory and the release of the Uncer and Richardson interview, in violation of a court order, contributed to incomplete, incorrect, misleading and salacious information improperly in the public...."

Could this be his "hank panky hand" incident? Would he be so stupid as to put it in his motion?

This belongs in the change of venue motion. What medical privacy issue? I thought Baez was saying there was no medical issue. It was a hoax?

tsk tsk.

[Pruddennce]

Then maybe you should read the board more often and not inflame other posters to get the responses that you do. :)

Tell me Shekeria. What is the standard time an inmate waits is to be seen by medical personnel? What orders were the Dr's given to follow this? Why are inflammatory remarks in this motion out of order and unsubstantiated and written off by Baez as basically a work in progress that it's not validated but it's the worst we can come up with to counter what we're accusing the Pros of leaving out of documents the Pros are taking by the stance released in error.

Who's inflamming the public here? Who's lobbed some pretty hefty allegations and put them in print in a written motion to vilify the Pros doing the same thing but with purpose?

This is several complaints rolled in to one with no case law stated just throwing rocks.

good post Neffy.

lets remember: Baez engaged in speculation, just the same as everyone else in the jail, the public, the defense 'team', LE.

he filed an EMERGENCY MOTION to Preserve and Inspect Evidence BEFORE the remains were identified.. IF its Caylee, he wanted to do their own autopsy..

it was tossed, DENIED.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/DOC001.PDF

the defense team shows up at the Anthony home BEFORE the remains are identified. and of course, here we have Baez talking about 'how Casey isnt doing well'....BEFORE the remains were identified.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18275046/index.html

so, jailhouse personnel are not allowed to speculate?....since when is that violating HER rights? the initial reports were, she was having an issue in her cell and they took her to medical. we ALL did not imagine that news report.

secondly, Casey herself was SPECULATING although she claims her daughter was no longer in the Orlando area. (WRITTEN STATEMENT).

Baez is attempting to fix casey's mistake......he was all on board 'talking' about her mental state, she was 'not doing well', BEFORE the remains were officially identified....Mr Press Release, then a video surfaces.....OOPSY......

this is not speculation: the OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION:

"Inmate Casey Anthony is aware of the developments in her case," said Orange County Jail spokesman Allen Moore. "She was notified by a jail chaplain as is consistent with our policy. The notification came at approximately 1:45 p.m."

"We will not be commenting on the demeanor of inmate Anthony or her reaction to the news and do not have any public records related to this matter," Moore said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-caylee-jail-reaction-121908,0,4010091.story


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[MDdetective]

Welcome to the board, MDdetective!

"Jose's hand in the cookie jar," so far, is only a third-hand rumor. Hopefully proof will be forthcoming, but we'll just have to wait and see. You know how "bounty hunters" have a tendency to embellish.

You are right. It is hearsay so far and probably embellished to be sure.....I guess I'm going a little kookoo :drool: waiting for a good doc. dump.
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[Neffy]

Page 7 second line:

....Casey Anthony indicated to her that other inmates had also told Casey Anthony about the same.

I thought Casey had NO CONTACT with other inmates?

[tinkerbell]

Hi all,

I did an extreme speed read looking for your list of potential candidates for Casey's lead attorney, to be announced Thursday. If it's here and I missed it I apologize!

What's your short list of potential candidates?

moo

[Neffy]

good post Neffy.

lets remember: Baez engaged in speculation, just the same as everyone else in the jail, the public, the defense 'team', LE.

he filed an EMERGENCY MOTION to Preserve and Inspect Evidence BEFORE the remains were identified.. IF its Caylee, he wanted to do their own autopsy..

it was tossed, DENIED.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/DOC001.PDF

the defense team shows up at the Anthony home BEFORE the remains are identified. and of course, here we have Baez talking about 'how Casey isnt doing well'....BEFORE the remains were identified.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18275046/index.html

so, jailhouse personnel are not allowed to speculate?....since when is that violating HER rights? the initial reports were, she was having an issue in her cell and they took her to medical. we ALL did not imagine that news report.

secondly, Casey herself was SPECULATING although she claims her daughter was no longer in the Orlando area. (WRITTEN STATEMENT).

Baez is attempting to fix casey's mistake......he was all on board 'talking' about her mental state, she was 'not doing well', BEFORE the remains were officially identified....Mr Press Release, then a video surfaces.....OOPSY......

this is not speculation: the OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION:

"Inmate Casey Anthony is aware of the developments in her case," said Orange County Jail spokesman Allen Moore. "She was notified by a jail chaplain as is consistent with our policy. The notification came at approximately 1:45 p.m."

"We will not be commenting on the demeanor of inmate Anthony or her reaction to the news and do not have any public records related to this matter," Moore said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-caylee-jail-reaction-121908,0,4010091.story


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*


Yes, TY Pru. The cart before the horse motion. This one's a baddy too!

Reminds me of posters who CYA by tagging on IMO when stating something inflammatory with no back up. LOL

Baez is using this is "not complete". Well no kidding! Lot of allegations and some pretty big rocks there.

Some complaints have nothing to do with this motion and he's all over the place getting into or starting other motions "to be revisited" of course. Good Grief!

[Dick Tracy]

You are right. It is hearsay so far and probably embellished to be sure.....I guess I'm going a little kookoo :drool: waiting for a good doc. dump.
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Welcome to this incredible train wreck, my friend. :seeya:

[Katprint]

This is as good a place is any for my first post......OMG Bozo got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (so to speak) first thought ahoh :ohmy: then ewwww :scared: then hehehehehe :thumbsup: he's going down (so to speak) Hello to Everyone !!!!
P.S. what does OC stand for ????
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Attorneys are not prohibited from having sexual relationships with their clients. Attorneys frequently help their spouses/boyfriends/girlfriends with their legal troubles. For example, I readily admit to having a sexual relationship with my husband, whom I represent from time to time as a landlord in eviction proceedings concerning his rental properties. Additionally, sometimes romance springs up between an attorney and a client; frequently the attorney and the client get married during/after the case. Attorneys are generally discouraged from entering into intimate relationships with clients because it creates a risk of future accusations of sexual harassment, kind of like dating your boss/coworker/subordinate creates this risk as well.

What is prohibited is an attorney improperly coercing a client into sexual contact, such as making a quid pro quo deal to provide legal services in exchange for sex or threatening to abandon further representation of the client if the client does not agree to sex.

If Jose and Casey were engaging in a mutually consensual sexual relationship at his office, that was not necessarily prohibited although obviously it is very risky on Jose's part. The jail undoubtedly has rules about what physical contact can or cannot occur between inmates and visitors, and if Jose has violated those rules then the jail may ask the court to impose more restrictive conditions - such as realtime visual (but NOT audio) monitoring of the attorney-client meetings - but the Florida State Bar does not normally get involved in things like that.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

P.S. OC stands for Odious Creature, which is what Mark Klass called Casey.

[Pruddennce]

Yes, TY Pru. The cart before the horse motion. This one's a baddy too!

Reminds me of posters who CYA by tagging on IMO when stating something inflammatory with no back up. LOL

Baez is using this is "not complete". Well no kidding! Lot of allegations and some pretty big rocks there.

Some complaints have nothing to do with this motion and he's all over the place getting into or starting other motions "to be revisited" of course. Good Grief!

Neffy, its no secret or hardly new that Baez has filed some pretty ridiculous motions or DIDNT file a motion when he was supposed to.

he fumbles and mumbles.....he is a mess. he might have his 'eye' on some infraction here or there, but he is incompetent when it comes to articulating legal issues. and it looks like he is not accepting any help to prepare properly.

seriously, a motion BEFORE the remains were formally identified? man, that was lame. being prepared and filing it the day its announced would have been protocol, but an "IF MOTION" wanting to do the autopsy?????????

gawd.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[MDdetective]

Welcome Md!!!
I just read Peter's post/claim as you quoted it. And you know what, am not surprised if it is true, but I would have to have a bit more proof to accept it as true.
With all that Peter said, I can certainly see why JB does not want that vid released. Again tho, I would need more proof.
I'm hoping it is true, except that would mean the trial would be postponed for who knows how much longer as arrangements are made for another attorney for her...I'm assuming if he was busted with this kind of mis conduct with a client he'd be kicked off this case so fast his eyes wouldn't be able to focus for months.
Oh, OC is a name that Mark Klass gave Casey months and months ago....it stands for Odious Creature.
Again, welcome.

yep I guess we will see if any of it is true. P.S. I loved your post saying you are "nosy as all get out" :thumbsup:

[Dick Tracy]

he fumbles and mumbles.....he is a mess...
gawd.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

You mean like this??

Jose Baez - "The best defense is full disclosure. It’s start with full disclosure. And, it’s not after, um, something has been, ah, not the way it was."

[seeing_eye]

You mean like this??

Jose Baez - "The best defense is full disclosure. It’s start with full disclosure. And, it’s not after, um, something has been, ah, not the way it was."

Are you sure it wasn't Casey that said that?

[Dick Tracy]

Are you sure it wasn't Casey that said that?

Yeah, I'm sure. Her double talking to him has him doing it to us..

KING: Weird.

[Pruddennce]

You mean like this??

Jose Baez - "The best defense is full disclosure. It’s start with full disclosure. And, it’s not after, um, something has been, ah, not the way it was."

DT! you nailed it!

although that statement is more than a fumble!

:scared::scared:

LOL!

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[crimeq]

here ya go, crimeq...

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0527/19583157.pdf

Thanks Gaelic :wub:

[MDdetective]

Welcome to this incredible train wreck, my friend. :seeya:

Hi DT my ticket is stamped and I'm on board :thumbup:

[Dick Tracy]

DT! you nailed it!

although that statement is more than a fumble!

:scared::scared:

LOL!

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Hey Pru ! Yeah, that was a such a boneheaded statement that he made to the world. I'm sure he got caught up in the moment, and that's when the sentence just went to chit. He should have said something a little more in the now - like ya know - "that's the money she could be saving with GEICO or something like that. At least people would have laughed at it, instead of thinking - "what the hell did he say???"

New subject:

I wonder if the new DP lawyer could be Roy Black, famed Miami Defense attorney?

[MDdetective]

Attorneys are not prohibited from having sexual relationships with their clients. Attorneys frequently help their spouses/boyfriends/girlfriends with their legal troubles. For example, I readily admit to having a sexual relationship with my husband, whom I represent from time to time as a landlord in eviction proceedings concerning his rental properties. Additionally, sometimes romance springs up between an attorney and a client; frequently the attorney and the client get married during/after the case. Attorneys are generally discouraged from entering into intimate relationships with clients because it creates a risk of future accusations of sexual harassment, kind of like dating your boss/coworker/subordinate creates this risk as well.

What is prohibited is an attorney improperly coercing a client into sexual contact, such as making a quid pro quo deal to provide legal services in exchange for sex or threatening to abandon further representation of the client if the client does not agree to sex.

If Jose and Casey were engaging in a mutually consensual sexual relationship at his office, that was not necessarily prohibited although obviously it is very risky on Jose's part. The jail undoubtedly has rules about what physical contact can or cannot occur between inmates and visitors, and if Jose has violated those rules then the jail may ask the court to impose more restrictive conditions - such as realtime visual (but NOT audio) monitoring of the attorney-client meetings - but the Florida State Bar does not normally get involved in things like that.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

P.S. OC stands for Odious Creature, which is what Mark Klass called Casey.

Thanks for the lesson Katprint :blushing:

[imc_e]

Attorneys are not prohibited from having sexual relationships with their clients. Attorneys frequently help their spouses/boyfriends/girlfriends with their legal troubles. For example, I readily admit to having a sexual relationship with my husband, whom I represent from time to time as a landlord in eviction proceedings concerning his rental properties. Additionally, sometimes romance springs up between an attorney and a client; frequently the attorney and the client get married during/after the case. Attorneys are generally discouraged from entering into intimate relationships with clients because it creates a risk of future accusations of sexual harassment, kind of like dating your boss/coworker/subordinate creates this risk as well.

What is prohibited is an attorney improperly coercing a client into sexual contact, such as making a quid pro quo deal to provide legal services in exchange for sex or threatening to abandon further representation of the client if the client does not agree to sex.

If Jose and Casey were engaging in a mutually consensual sexual relationship at his office, that was not necessarily prohibited although obviously it is very risky on Jose's part. The jail undoubtedly has rules about what physical contact can or cannot occur between inmates and visitors, and if Jose has violated those rules then the jail may ask the court to impose more restrictive conditions - such as realtime visual (but NOT audio) monitoring of the attorney-client meetings - but the Florida State Bar does not normally get involved in things like that.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

P.S. OC stands for Odious Creature, which is what Mark Klass called Casey.

I definately enjoy reading your posts.

Thanks for your contributions, it is appreciated, :thumbsup:

[Oregongal]

As much as I love to hang with you all longer, I must be say good night.
I'm fighting a headache and think I'll lay my head down and try to get some sleep.
Enjoy the rest of night.
You all behave now.
:wub:

[MDdetective]

This is alittle O/T but isn't Mark Klass working closely to improve the Amber Alert agenda ???? This situation outside Philly with the mom who faked a kidnapping and went Disney must make his blood boil...it does mine. Back on topic...I can't see any DPA wanting to come in at this point especially after Lenamon pulled out publicly. It may end up being Abe Vigoda in that crazy blonde wig...I mean LKB
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[imc_e]

Good night everyone!

The real fun will be the hearing in the morning and watch the defense make an idiot of himself, not that it will be a surprize, LOL


:smile:

[seeing_eye]

Shekeria's post sounds like a first-person account. Could she/he/it have been a fly on the wall?

[Dick Tracy]

Shekeria's post sounds like a first-person account. Could she/he/it have been a fly on the wall?

I think I hear the freeway traffic. Or are those turbine sounds coming from Pruville.

[Exiled.]

Then maybe you should read the board more often and not inflame other posters to get the responses that you do. :)

Tell me Shekeria. What is the standard time an inmate waits is to be seen by medical personnel? What orders were the Dr's given to follow this? Why are inflammatory remarks in this motion out of order and unsubstantiated and written off by Baez as basically a work in progress that it's not validated but it's the worst we can come up with to counter what we're accusing the Pros of leaving out of documents the Pros are taking by the stance released in error.

Who's inflamming the public here? Who's lobbed some pretty hefty allegations and put them in print in a written motion to vilify the Pros doing the same thing but with purpose?

This is several complaints rolled in to one with no case law stated just throwing rocks.


Even if she read the board 24/7, it is a rare event to hear the view of an experienced legal professional, rather than the constant emotion based banter that plagues this forum.

imo...of course.

[MDdetective]

Well then you're certainly in the right company! We're all like this right now.

And welcome!

Annie

Thanks Annie

[imc_e]

Shekeria's post sounds like a first-person account. Could she/he/it have been a fly on the wall?

more like something a fly left on a wall :laugh:

[seeing_eye]

more like something a fly left on a wall :laugh:

OMG!!!! :scared: :scared:

[Dick Tracy]

O MY Goodness .....................this is NOT GOOD for the prosecution AT ALL .....


I can now see why people are squirming around here .....yowza !

Yeah, we're squirming alright. We sure hope that Jose's motion is denied, so we can see these shameful acts with our OWN eyes. I personally have never witnessed a mother and her reaction when she realizes she's been found out, and she's going to die for the murder of her child.

And in other developments -

Casey said she couldn't do much from jail, and she needed out so she could help with the search. The search for what? A new place to dump the body and or remains? And Baez and Casey wanted to do what? Get permission to search for Caylee with no one following them? For what? So they could find another place to dispose of the remains? Maybe somewhere they had already searched?

Dick Tracy, you are such a dreamer.

[MDdetective]

Wow it's late gotta go to bed. Thanks for the warm Welcome everybody !

BTW Dick Tracy is the KING: Weird a reference to the LKL show ??? if so Bwahahahahaha :thumbsup:

[Dick Tracy]

Baez is so awful - I wonder what he meant by that statement. Zanny? Who is paying him? Who is the father of Caylee? Is Caylee's father hiding from all this and paying the atty fees? Why doesn't Casey see As? Full disclosure???????

I wonder if he ever explained that to Casey. Full disclosure. He's an inexperienced lawyer. It's like he's doing "A" ball somewhere in the minors, and suddenly thinks he's got the tools and the experience to play in the majors.

[Dick Tracy]

New thread started.... for Thursday, May 28, 2009 (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13145243#post13145243)

[marla]

The way Casey looked at him in court, the touching of hands, and the taking the pen, sure looked like they could be lovers to me.



http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p31/mineallmine_bucket/baezandcasey.jpg

We can't post pictures here???
Wtf?

[Explorer]

Even if she read the board 24/7, it is a rare event to hear the view of an experienced legal professional, rather than the constant emotion based banter that plagues this forum.

imo...of course.

Your joking arent you?

[Zarina]

Andrea Lyon Casey new lead atty

[Neffy]

OMG like she was tortured long enough , maybe we better go ahead and give her a sedative ???? like thinking ~ " Before we get in trouble , or maybe because they could see that what they were doing was cruel even thought OCSD ORDERED THEM TO DO IT and this has never ever occurred before !


:rolleyes::rolleyes: Good Grief talk about biased, reaching, and tall tales!!!

No ones squirming. I do have a problem with guards/guard who can't even open there mouth to get a piece of paper and feel they must improvise on a paper towel. They don't open there mouths unless depositioned? Clearly there some truth and opinionated exaggeration.

I found the bits handpicked and extremely unprofessional. Just like Jose's complaInts against the pros this is not telling but extremely inflamming.

How much weight does one carry when they pull what they are accusing the opposite side is doing.