Wednesday, May 27, 2009 #1

[Lavinia]

I don't know who the manipulator and the manipulatee is in this sitch, but the inmates are past masters at manipulating those who are to staff the prison. I've seen more than one nurse escorted off the farm due to "falling in love" with an inmate. My very best friend, in fact. :crying:

[Lavinia]

You think he just dropped out of the sky like that, this took years of training.


:tonguewag:

:laugh: I got the same handbook you did. :laugh:

[imc_e]

Not sure if it has been mentioned OR if it will be streamed live on line, but on FOX35 EXCLUSIVE George Anthony interview.

K!

Coming on real soon

Thanks for the heads up.

I wonder what the Anthonys will come up with NOW, since they always seem to come up with outrageous things just about every time something damning comes out about the murder defendant.

[summer4meplz]

Not sure if it has been mentioned OR if it will be streamed live on line, but on FOX35 EXCLUSIVE George Anthony interview.

K!

Coming on real soon

Sorry~ It can probably be viewed on line later. Don't bother...just the same old song and dance. Holding a bear..pushing the foundation.

K!


I watched it.....george said thank you to whoever took the memorial down....it was rotting and smelled funny....but he's never been down there.....george was holding a Caylee bear

[AMS]

Caylee memorial taken down

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/052709caylee_memorial_taken_down

From the link. Bolding mine.

"But to this day her grandfather has not been down there. He just can't do it. He says it’s just too hard. “I'm glad it’s cleared up. I know I'm going to catch some flack for that. The items down there were rotting...there was some kind of odor down there. It smelled.”"


imo

[doctor_J]

I saw 356 people on here and thought "What's happened?" Is anything new or is it just anticipation of tomorrow. Threads too long to read it all! :biggrin:

[Neffy]

Caylee memorial taken down

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/052709caylee_memorial_taken_down

From the link. Bolding mine.

"But to this day her grandfather has not been down there. He just can't do it. He says it’s just too hard. “I'm glad it’s cleared up. I know I'm going to catch some flack for that. The items down there were rotting...there was some kind of odor down there. It smelled.”"


imo

How would he know, MEDIA?

[debkay]

Caylee memorial taken down

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/052709caylee_memorial_taken_down

From the link. Bolding mine.

"But to this day her grandfather has not been down there. He just can't do it. He says it’s just too hard. “I'm glad it’s cleared up. I know I'm going to catch some flack for that. The items down there were rotting...there was some kind of odor down there. It smelled.”"


imo


Never been down there....but it had some kind of smell???? Like pizza George??
moo

[ish]

YES!! You are right Pru, I just watched that tape yesterday. One of the Detectives says Help yourselves to some candy.........lol. :thumbsup:

And Baez helped himself to some, guess he couldn't resist.

[Neffy]

I watched it.....george said thank you to whoever took the memorial down....it was rotting and smelled funny....but he's never been down there.....george was holding a Caylee bear

OH GEEZ I see he stated in the article to give to the Caylee Foundation. I'd rather see money paying for tributes that may rot then money to them.

[summer4meplz]

OH GEEZ I see he stated in the article to give to the Caylee Foundation. I'd rather see money paying for tributes that may rot then money to them.

thankfully they edited it out of the video........

[ish]

Never been down there....but it had some kind of smell???? Like pizza George??
moo

maybe it's your conscience George, maybe you'll smell that smell in your dreams for the rest of your life.

[spiritwolf46]

Caylee memorial taken down

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/052709caylee_memorial_taken_down

From the link. Bolding mine.

"But to this day her grandfather has not been down there. He just can't do it. He says it’s just too hard. “I'm glad it’s cleared up. I know I'm going to catch some flack for that. The items down there were rotting...there was some kind of odor down there. It smelled.”"


imo

Ummmm....if he was never down there, then how does he know it smelled?

Hey George! Once again, nice talking out both sides of your mouth! Maybe it was pizza you were smelling not being there, holding your Caylee bear! :sneaky:

[spiritwolf46]

WOW! Looks like we all caught that one! LOL!

[spiritwolf46]

OH GEEZ I see he stated in the article to give to the Caylee Foundation. I'd rather see money paying for tributes that may rot then money to them.


AWWWW, GEE, Neffy! Where are they gonna get money to buy bait for the fishin boat then???? :mellow:

[denjet]

I went to BJ's today, cut the grass, prepared dinner for tomorrow so I can be here for the hearing. I thought bloggers were overweight and lazy. According to one of our posters the A;s are not taking care of their yard anymore. That foundation must be taking up too much of their time. When the cams were in front of their house they couldn't stay out of their front yard. :confused:
Hi Moon!
LOL So it's not just me ... LOL :biggrin:
A little overweight here, definitely not lazy ... just obsessed and the Ants can thank themselves for drawing so many bloggers attention to the case !! They don't seem to get that ... IMO

[legalmania]

I love to fish. I've never seen such a big reel. Great video.

OMG one of those guys looks like my cousin Bark. I'll have to send it to him to see if it's him. He takes all these rich guys out and helps them catch a big fish. Lucky guy.

[nachomama]

How many of us are surprised, IF true, that she was having sex with Baez!? :lol:

Sounds to me like Jose is really SCREWED !!
Sorry.. I couldn't resist...

[denjet]

Thank goodness I have a Saint for a hub, he tells everyone I'm "in court".......lol. :laugh:
Scampi, perfect excuse! LOL Sounds so much better than, "I did all my work, leave me alone" LOL
I think it was Imperfect4 who said to tell hubby you work at Universal, take your laptop and hide in the basement! I'm still laughing over that one!
My apologize if I misquoted ... there are so many clever posters on here, I get mixed up sometimes ...

[breezie]

I watched it.....george said thank you to whoever took the memorial down....it was rotting and smelled funny....but he's never been down there.....george was holding a Caylee bear

yeah, and so was your granddaughter while your daughter was out partying and sleeping with every man she could. THAT rotting doesn't seem to bother you. UGH...

[AMS]

New Motion Argues To Seal Anthony Jail Video

Article:

http://www.wesh.com/news/19583277/detail.html

Motion:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0527/19583157.pdf


imo

[sammy62]

Scampi, perfect excuse! LOL Sounds so much better than, "I did all my work, leave me alone" LOL
I think it was Imperfect4 who said to tell hubby you work at Universal, take your laptop and hide in the basement! I'm still laughing over that one!
My apologize if I misquoted ... there are so many clever posters on here, I get mixed up sometimes ...

ty ty...it was me

I tell my husband not to bother me...I have a murder to solve:rolleyes:

[ruth66]

One of my favorites. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/close.jpg


Take another look at that picture, her shirt matches his hanky....fgs. I hope they didn't go out of their way to orchestrate that! :laugh:
JMO

[Explorer]

Ummmm....if he was never down there, then how does he know it smelled?

Hey George! Once again, nice talking out both sides of your mouth! Maybe it was pizza you were smelling not being there, holding your Caylee bear! :sneaky:

He just forgot which lie he was telling:wink:

[doctor_J]

OMG! If my child were in need of emergency services and a first responder handed her a "Caylee Bear" I would scream "she's not in THAT kind of trouble!" and stuff in down their throat.

[Explorer]

I had a feeling that something was up with that remains video.

[Neffy]

Take another look at that picture, her shirt matches his hanky....fgs. I hope they didn't go out of their way to orchestrate that! :laugh:
JMO

That always cracks me up when I see a professional dressed as Formal Dressy like they are going to an event such as a wedding.

When I used to work at the phone company we'd have technicians that were told to dress in business attire if they were to accompany a sales man to a job site and sure enough they'd come dressed for a wedding - hanky and all!

[denjet]

Caylee memorial taken down

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/052709caylee_memorial_taken_down

From the link. Bolding mine.

"But to this day her grandfather has not been down there. He just can't do it. He says it’s just too hard. “I'm glad it’s cleared up. I know I'm going to catch some flack for that. The items down there were rotting...there was some kind of odor down there. It smelled.”"
imo
Hi AMS!
Thanks for the video link! Excuse me but I just can't trust the Anthony's sense of smell and why George chose those words is beyond me ... I can't believe he's standing there in the interview with a Caylee bear ... UUGGGHHH I wonder if they will be holding them in court ?? I'm sorry but I truly believe these people are idiots !!:cursing:

[denjet]

ty ty...it was me

I tell my husband not to bother me...I have a murder to solve:rolleyes:
LOL sammy! I'm not so good at remembering names, but that statement I won't forget! LOL

[101Spots]

New Motion Argues To Seal Anthony Jail Video

Article:

http://www.wesh.com/news/19583277/detail.html

Motion:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0527/19583157.pdf


imo

This motion is *very* poorly written. It lacks cohesive organization, the grammar is lousy, the structure is suspect, and the writer tends to repeat him/herself.

Also, note that pages 2 and 3 have been transposed. If you're trying to read it, it makes as much sense with the 2 pages backwards as it does if you put them in correct order.

[bchand]

Not sure if it has been mentioned OR if it will be streamed live on line, but on FOX35 EXCLUSIVE George Anthony interview.

K!

Coming on real soon

Sorry~ It can probably be viewed on line later. Don't bother...just the same old song and dance. Holding a bear..pushing the foundation.

K!

Why Why Why????? do they give them airtime?

:cursing:

[denjet]

Take another look at that picture, her shirt matches his hanky....fgs. I hope they didn't go out of their way to orchestrate that! :laugh:
JMO
Hi ruth!
Ridiculous, huh? It looked like prom night, not court! :tonguewag:

[imc_e]

This motion is *very* poorly written. It lacks cohesive organization, the grammar is lousy, the structure is suspect, and the writer tends to repeat him/herself.

Also, note that pages 2 and 3 have been transposed. If you're trying to read it, it makes as much sense with the 2 pages backwards as it does if you put them in correct order.

I just finished reading the motion and I felt the same way.

It is poorly written, repetitive, could use some serious editing.

I could have done better myself to be honest.

[AMS]

This motion is *very* poorly written. It lacks cohesive organization, the grammar is lousy, the structure is suspect, and the writer tends to repeat him/herself.

Also, note that pages 2 and 3 have been transposed. If you're trying to read it, it makes as much sense with the 2 pages backwards as it does if you put them in correct order.

You are so right. It was very painful to get through. I decided to walk our dog after page 7...my brain needed a break.

imo

[Lavinia]

This motion is *very* poorly written. It lacks cohesive organization, the grammar is lousy, the structure is suspect, and the writer tends to repeat him/herself.

Also, note that pages 2 and 3 have been transposed. If you're trying to read it, it makes as much sense with the 2 pages backwards as it does if you put them in correct order.

I can barely read the damn thing. :blink:

[AMS]

I can barely read the damn thing. :blink:

Here's the cliff note version.

Baez - Blah, blah, blah, blah. Seal the tape so my wife does not see my hands down her pants. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I have no further questions.


imo

[legalmania]

This motion is *very* poorly written. It lacks cohesive organization, the grammar is lousy, the structure is suspect, and the writer tends to repeat him/herself.

Also, note that pages 2 and 3 have been transposed. If you're trying to read it, it makes as much sense with the 2 pages backwards as it does if you put them in correct order.

He doesn't use any case law or statutes he just says it's in violation of the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh amendments of the constitution, including right to counsel? As a paralegal I wouldn't hand this in never the less an attorney.

[cassidy]

Here's the cliff note version.

Baez - Blah, blah, blah, blah. Seal the tape so my wife does not see my hands down her pants. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I have no further questions.


imo

Thanks for saving me from reading it :)

[TunaMelt]

Here's the cliff note version.

Baez - Blah, blah, blah, blah. Seal the tape so my wife does not see my hands down her pants. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I have no further questions.


imo

Someone in this house said Baez could argue that the video is priveleged because it shows work product.
As in, what Jose does when he tells his wife he's at work.
:wink:


:lol:

[Neffy]

This motion is *very* poorly written. It lacks cohesive organization, the grammar is lousy, the structure is suspect, and the writer tends to repeat him/herself.

Also, note that pages 2 and 3 have been transposed. If you're trying to read it, it makes as much sense with the 2 pages backwards as it does if you put them in correct order.

Good Grief that was horrible and irritating to read. I'll have to look at it again MAYBE if I find the time that I don't want to be irritating and to weed thru the redundancy to find the cruxed of it.

Does not one professional reside in this law firm?

[denjet]

This motion is *very* poorly written. It lacks cohesive organization, the grammar is lousy, the structure is suspect, and the writer tends to repeat him/herself.

Also, note that pages 2 and 3 have been transposed. If you're trying to read it, it makes as much sense with the 2 pages backwards as it does if you put them in correct order.
Hi Spots!
Ya think? Well Jose is certainly consistent! As I read the motion I couldn't help wonder about 2 more careers that may be ruined (Richardson and Uncer's) because of his client and his representation of her which seems up until now to discredit and destroy anyone and everyone necessary to attempt to try to get her off !! Unbelievable !! :cursing:

[Neffy]

He doesn't use any case law or statutes he just says it's in violation of the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh amendments of the constitution, including right to counsel? As a paralegal I wouldn't hand this in never the less an attorney.


This is what I'd expect to find written on a paper towel :rolleyes:

[bchand]

Caylee memorial taken down

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/052709caylee_memorial_taken_down

From the link. Bolding mine.

"But to this day her grandfather has not been down there. He just can't do it. He says it’s just too hard. “I'm glad it’s cleared up. I know I'm going to catch some flack for that. The items down there were rotting...there was some kind of odor down there. It smelled.”"


imo

Typical Anthony double-talk AMS

To this day he hasn't been there but it smells??? How does he know?

[legalmania]

Someone in this house said Baez could argue that the video is priveleged because it shows work product.
As in, what Jose does when he tells his wife he's at work.
:wink:


:lol:

I would think if Casey was so distraught Baez would want people to see that. If she needed medication and was having a panic attack this shows some kind of emotion from Casey

[legalmania]

This is what I'd expect to find written on a paper towel :rolleyes:

Ya it looks like a draft.

[Imperfect4]

And her defense was that it was just a hug gone bad!:scared:

Vewy, VEWY bad. :scared:

[TunaMelt]

This motion is *very* poorly written. It lacks cohesive organization, the grammar is lousy, the structure is suspect, and the writer tends to repeat him/herself.

Also, note that pages 2 and 3 have been transposed. If you're trying to read it, it makes as much sense with the 2 pages backwards as it does if you put them in correct order.

It sure is a mess.

I would never give something like this to my boss -- who is Judge Strickland, in this case. I wouldn't give it to anyone, it's rude to expect someone to try to read that. I don't know what's wrong with the person who wrote it, or the person who submitted it, but it's bad.

And if I were Judge Strickland, I'd shoot this thing right back to Attorney Baez' office, with a big red F on it, along with DO OVER! at the top.

I wonder if this guy ever intends to practice law again? Anywhere?
Because this kind of junk/work product isn't going to help him along that road, not one bit.

[spiritwolf46]

Here's the cliff note version.

Baez - Blah, blah, blah, blah. Seal the tape so my wife does not see my hands down her pants. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I have no further questions.


imo

LMAO!

What goes on in my office, STAYS in my office, auto, the A' home, jail.............BUT, you will learn to RESPECT ME! :sneaky:

[spiritwolf46]

It sure is a mess.

I would never give something like this to my boss -- who is Judge Strickland, in this case. I wouldn't give it to anyone, it's rude to expect someone to try to read that. I don't know what's wrong with the person who wrote it, or the person who submitted it, but it's bad.

And if I were Judge Strickland, I'd shoot this thing right back to Attorney Baez' office, with a big red F on it, along with DO OVER! at the top.

I wonder if this guy ever intends to practice law again? Anywhere?
Because this kind of junk/work product isn't going to help him along that road, not one bit.

Is it something that CASEY would write? After all, she IS studying her law books now!

[really3997]

evening all

[101Spots]

Good Grief that was horrible and irritating to read. I'll have to look at it again MAYBE if I find the time that I don't want to be irritating and to weed thru the redundancy to find the cruxed of it.

Does not one professional reside in this law firm?

That's a rhetorical question, right?

Remember that old saw about giving a million monkeys a million typewriters and in a million years they would by chance type the Bible? Well, I think this was their first draft.

[TunaMelt]

I would think if Casey was so distraught Baez would want people to see that. If she needed medication and was having a panic attack this shows some kind of emotion from Casey

Exactly, legal.
That kind of reaction is one of the few things that would work for the defense.

So, it must be something else...:wink:

[legalmania]

It sure is a mess.

I would never give something like this to my boss -- who is Judge Strickland, in this case. I wouldn't give it to anyone, it's rude to expect someone to try to read that. I don't know what's wrong with the person who wrote it, or the person who submitted it, but it's bad.

And if I were Judge Strickland, I'd shoot this thing right back to Attorney Baez' office, with a big red F on it, along with DO OVER! at the top.

I wonder if this guy ever intends to practice law again? Anywhere?
Because this kind of junk/work product isn't going to help him along that road, not one bit.

I would put a big fat denied on it. It looks more like a statement than a motion.

[denjet]

Does anyone know everyone who will be at the hearing tomorrow ... I don't mean the defense but people the defense is going after like Amy, Jesse, Kronk ... I've lost count of all the motions that have been piling up since the last court date ... it looks like Jesse's lawyer filed a motion for protective order yesterday ...
but does anyone know who else will be there?
TIA :wink:

[Neffy]

I would think if Casey was so distraught Baez would want people to see that. If she needed medication and was having a panic attack this shows some kind of emotion from Casey

If he believed it was telling and proving of NOTHING what's the problem?

Asking jail personnel what they thought, their opinions is also telling of nothing.

I do contract work for Dr's and I have some strong OPINIONS of what I think is right or wrong or redundant or a plain waste of my time to do LOL but as long as it's NOT ILLEGAL I will do as he wants as he IS the person I work for. Should I hire someone they will do AS I SAY or be replaced.

This is a loser of a motion and though I didn't make it thru it I was so irritated with what I did read with no case law or other statuettes mentioned I'm sure Strickland will be just as irritated and just may bounce it back or just plain reject it.

[Imperfect4]

Caylee memorial taken down

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/052709caylee_memorial_taken_down

From the link. Bolding mine.

"But to this day her grandfather has not been down there. He just can't do it. He says it’s just too hard. “I'm glad it’s cleared up. I know I'm going to catch some flack for that. The items down there were rotting...there was some kind of odor down there. It smelled.”"


imo

He actually said something about an odor? He actually did? And he could smell it from his house? Could he identify it? :mad:

These people make me SICK.

[Imperfect4]

maybe it's your conscience George, maybe you'll smell that smell in your dreams for the rest of your life.

Maybe it's his rotting soul he's smelling. :mad:

[denjet]

I would put a big fat denied on it. It looks more like a statement than a motion.
Hi legal!
Is it me or do a lot of Jose's motions sound like he's trying the case and not filing a motion ... I've felt this before, kind of like KC, way too much info and conniving, no substance ... :confused:

[Neffy]

Maybe it's his rotting soul he's smelling. :mad:

:scared::scared:

[Imperfect4]

Scampi, perfect excuse! LOL Sounds so much better than, "I did all my work, leave me alone" LOL
I think it was Imperfect4 who said to tell hubby you work at Universal, take your laptop and hide in the basement! I'm still laughing over that one!
My apologize if I misquoted ... there are so many clever posters on here, I get mixed up sometimes ...

Wasn't me. Can't take credit!

[AMS]

I would think if Casey was so distraught Baez would want people to see that. If she needed medication and was having a panic attack this shows some kind of emotion from Casey

legal - this is what I could never understand. Emotion...daughter's remains....they could try to spin this into a positive imo.

Obviously there is somehting more and we may now know what that little something is all about.

imo

[denjet]

That's a rhetorical question, right?

Remember that old saw about giving a million monkeys a million typewriters and in a million years they would by chance type the Bible? Well, I think this was their first draft.
Big difference: Monkeys would eventually get it right, Baez never will !:wink:

[Neffy]

Hi legal!
Is it me or do a lot of Jose's motions sound like he's trying the case and not filing a motion ... I've felt this before, kind of like KC, way too much info and conniving, no substance ... :confused:

He does this in court to during the motion hearings. He IS really terrible at this and has NO BUSINESS on this case that's for sure.

[ruth66]

Hi legal!
Is it me or do a lot of Jose's motions sound like he's trying the case and not filing a motion ... I've felt this before, kind of like KC, way too much info and conniving, no substance ... :confused:

It looks like he is grasping for straws here. Using the officer's opinions as proof of policy with the jail. Is he required to verify that what happened that day is not only legal but what is done in that type of circumstance? Or is he allowed to just take someone's "feelings" and run with it? I would like to be able to read the complete set of transcripts from these depos. :confused:

JMO

[Daffodil]

I would think if Casey was so distraught Baez would want people to see that. If she needed medication and was having a panic attack this shows some kind of emotion from Casey



I agree but then he also realizes that it is dramatically different reaction from the Blanchard Park search. She just walked away from the TV then. So in contrast, why was she not emotional about the Blancard Park search? Because she knew Caylee was not there. Why did she have such a reaction on Dec 11th? Because she knew that is exactly where Caylee was. Not sure if I made my point clear.

[denjet]

Wasn't me. Can't take credit!
LOL Imperfect, but it could have been ! I've seen clever posts of yours, but it was sammy ... and it was a good one that stuck out to me when everyone was saying what they do to disguise being on the internet and forums discussing the case ... :biggrin:

[ruth66]

legal - this is what I could never understand. Emotion...daughter's remains....they could try to spin this into a positive imo.
Obviously there is somehting more and we may now know what that little something is all about.

imo

Bolding mine:

Especially when in his motion he is stating that it was well known amongst the officers and some inmates that they believed those remains to be CAYLEE'S. If he believes that then why not use this to their advantage? JMO

[really3997]

He actually said something about an odor? He actually did? And he could smell it from his house? Could he identify it? :mad:

These people make me SICK.

Don't be fooled I have caught their cars there.

[neid_77]

in biazzz's motion the model inmate!!!:cursing::scared:

right buddy....yup so misstreated miss anthony has been OMG

[Neffy]

Here's the cliff note version.

Baez - Blah, blah, blah, blah. Seal the tape so my wife does not see my hands down her pants. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I have no further questions.


imo

Actually at the bottom of one of the pages that part with Baez he's noted that State is NOT USING so this motion doesn't address that at all.

I just don't know what the heck it is addressing accept to say they want the tape barred because of a couple of opinions from jail guards.

IMO I think asking their opinions and for sure giving their opinions was unprofessional and if anything should be thrown out it is this deposition of Jail Guards opinions.

Can you imagine the litany of complaints or thoughts you'd get from any worker asked their opinion of what they were asked to do at work. Can't stress it enough but this is a loser of a motion.

[legalmania]

Hi legal!
Is it me or do a lot of Jose's motions sound like he's trying the case and not filing a motion ... I've felt this before, kind of like KC, way too much info and conniving, no substance ... :confused:

Your right, I see no legal explanation, you just can't say well it violates this and that constitution. You have to have a statute or case that backs up your motion. I wonder if he even has Lexis Nexis? Even if he doesn't have money he could use findlaw it's free.

[Imperfect4]

LOL Imperfect, but it could have been ! I've seen clever posts of yours, but it was sammy ... and it was a good one that stuck out to me when everyone was saying what they do to disguise being on the internet and forums discussing the case ... :biggrin:

I have it easy ... my work involves being on my laptop and online (my "office" is my recliner in the family room, lol). Who's to know whether I'm working or "blogging?" :sneaky:

[sammy62]

Here's the cliff note version.

Baez - Blah, blah, blah, blah. Seal the tape so my wife does not see my hands down her pants. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I have no further questions.


imo

too too funny:lol:

[denjet]

He does this in court to during the motion hearings. He IS really terrible at this and has NO BUSINESS on this case that's for sure.
Yes, he does ... when he does I keep waiting for Strickland to set him straight and he lets him carry on :confused:
Unless of course the state objects to it ... I just don't get what seems to me to be Strickland's leniency ...

[Dells]

Here's the cliff note version.

Baez - Blah, blah, blah, blah. Seal the tape so my wife does not see my hands down her pants. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I have no further questions.


imo

:laugh: That's hilarious!!!!

[legalmania]

I agree but then he also realizes that it is dramatically different reaction from the Blanchard Park search. She just walked away from the TV then. So in contrast, why was she not emotional about the Blancard Park search? Because she knew Caylee was not there. Why did she have such a reaction on Dec 11th? Because she knew that is exactly where Caylee was. Not sure if I made my point clear.

Your point is well taken and I'm sure the prosecution will mention it. If he wants to show that Casey has some kind of emotions about her daughter he should show the tape.

[sammy62]

Is it something that CASEY would write? After all, she IS studying her law books now!

actually I always thought Casey was fairly articulate....in a backwards sorta way.:tonguewag:

[Imperfect4]

Don't be fooled I have caught their cars there.

I am so not surprised. :glare:

The entire WORLD belongs to Cynthia, after all. Caylee was "hers," so I'm sure the dump site and all the memorial items are also "hers." Plus she just has to know what people are saying about anyone in the family, so I'm sure she did plenty of reading down there. Would not put it past her for a second to remove items she liked, either. It's Cindy's World. She's entitled to it all. :angry:

[Neffy]

Your point is well taken and I'm sure the prosecution will mention it. If he wants to show that Casey has some kind of emotions about her daughter he should show the tape.

I'm trying to get up the nerve to someday look at this again but did I misread or does it mention something about inmates telling Casey about the remains found? If yes, I thought she had no contact with anyone.

[denjet]

It looks like he is grasping for straws here. Using the officer's opinions as proof of policy with the jail. Is he required to verify that what happened that day is not only legal but what is done in that type of circumstance? Or is he allowed to just take someone's "feelings" and run with it? I would like to be able to read the complete set of transcripts from these depos. :confused:

JMO
Hi Ruth!
IIRC when this topic came up in court the first time there was an officer from the jail who stated it was standard procedure for inmates to be taken from their cell when receiving bad news etc. ... to monitor them ...
so I'm not quite sure what Jose hopes to accomplish with this one ... guess we'll find out tomorrow ..:shrug:

[legalmania]

evening all


Welcome aboard.

[101Spots]

Actually at the bottom of one of the pages that part with Baez he's noted that State is NOT USING so this motion doesn't address that at all.

I just don't know what the heck it is addressing accept to say they want the tape barred because of a couple of opinions from jail guards.

IMO I think asking their opinions and for sure giving their opinions was unprofessional and if anything should be thrown out it is this deposition of Jail Guards opinions.

Can you imagine the litany of complaints or thoughts you'd get from any worker asked their opinion of what they were asked to do at work. Can't stress it enough but this is a loser of a motion.


"Finally, it should be noted that the defense has been informed that the video of casey Anthony with her attorney Jose Baez will not be used by the State and therefore, not only should that not be sealed because of this, but based on that representation is not addressed in this supplemental letter brief."


Soooooooo......... should it or should it not be sealed?
1 not = not
2 nots = yes
3 nots = no
4 nots = yes

And this is only one sentence. :rolleyes::thumbdown:

[Imperfect4]

Yes, he does ... when he does I keep waiting for Strickland to set him straight and he lets him carry on :confused:
Unless of course the state objects to it ... I just don't get what seems to me to be Strickland's leniency ...

Nor do I. Nor am I comfortable that when he chastises, he chastises both sides. Baez is hardly on a par with the state's attorneys, and he's acted like a complete a$$ in the courtroom more than once. I have to believe Judge Strickland is just so appalled at what he's hearing/seeing/reading, he's at a loss to know exactly how to handle Baez without making him look like a bigger fool than he already does.

[denjet]

in biazzz's motion the model inmate!!!:cursing::scared:

right buddy....yup so misstreated miss anthony has been OMG
Hi ya, neid ! :seeya:
Ready for court tomorrow ?
Why can't everyone understand that KC is a good girl and is being treated unfairly, and being a model inmate and a celebrity inmate means she should get special treatment and privileges ??

[Neffy]

"Finally, it should be noted that the defense has been informed that the video of casey Anthony with her attorney Jose Baez will not be used by the State and therefore, not only should that not be sealed because of this, but based on that representation is not addressed in this supplemental letter brief."


Soooooooo......... should it or should it not be sealed?
1 not = not
2 nots = yes
3 nots = no
4 nots = yes

And this is only one sentence. :rolleyes::thumbdown:


Is not a defendant and their attorney already priviledged and that portion of the vid would not be used anyway? What's his point regarding an attorney and defendant together on tape and the state not using it? This is point is moot IMO, not unlike the rest of the motion.

He'd have a better chance using that dang paper towel and writing on it I don't want the tape in there, Regards Jose & Company.

[really3997]

I am so not surprised. :glare:

The entire WORLD belongs to Cynthia, after all. Caylee was "hers," so I'm sure the dump site and all the memorial items are also "hers." Plus she just has to know what people are saying about anyone in the family, so I'm sure she did plenty of reading down there. Would not put it past her for a second to remove items she liked, either. It's Cindy's World. She's entitled to it all. :angry:

People are putting more stuff out there so I assume it will grow again especially since the year is coming up soon

[denjet]

I have it easy ... my work involves being on my laptop and online (my "office" is my recliner in the family room, lol). Who's to know whether I'm working or "blogging?" :sneaky:
Good cover! :thumbsup:
I hide in the laundry room for part of the day and do laundry (not all of it, just enough to make it look like I am) LOL

[Neffy]

People are putting more stuff out there so I assume it will grow again especially since the year is coming up soon

Cindy's probably down their with her calculator adding up what she thinks should be in her "foundation" account instead of on the site and getting infuriated by monies not in her pocket.

[Daffodil]

People are putting more stuff out there so I assume it will grow again especially since the year is coming up soon



I think it is rather sad and depressing that people are putting stuffed animals there leaving them to nature. Rain has ruined them. I completely understand the gesture. If only something better could be done. Like maybe have a drop box for new toys that any agency or hospital could use.

Anyone who lives nearby handy?

[denjet]

It looks like he is grasping for straws here. Using the officer's opinions as proof of policy with the jail. Is he required to verify that what happened that day is not only legal but what is done in that type of circumstance? Or is he allowed to just take someone's "feelings" and run with it? I would like to be able to read the complete set of transcripts from these depos. :confused:

JMO
For sure, but what's weird to me are the tapes of interviews that he keeps arguing shouldn't have been released, yet his depos have not been released, but he's quoting parts of the depos in the motion ??? Does anyone know if the tapes of jail personnel interviews were done by OSCO?

[Lapis]

Hi Ruth!
IIRC when this topic came up in court the first time there was an officer from the jail who stated it was standard procedure for inmates to be taken from their cell when receiving bad news etc. ... to monitor them ...
so I'm not quite sure what Jose hopes to accomplish with this one ... guess we'll find out tomorrow ..:shrug:

I think he's trying to demonstrate it is not SOP to do this. The guards testified that the orders they received were to remove her from her cell telling her she was to be seen by medical. The guards had never done this before. They took her to medical and the television was playing this had never happened before. She was not seen by medical despite the fact that the doctor was standing right there, this has never happened before. They were instructed to take notes, this had never happened before. They were told this was being done at the request of LE, this was never done before. The video had never been saved before. They had never zoomed in on an inmate in medical before. They had never transferred the security to video and saved before.

Which part of this is SOP?

JMO

[Neffy]

I think it is rather sad and depressing that people are putting stuffed animals there leaving them to nature. Rain has ruined them. I completely understand the gesture. If only something better could be done. Like maybe have a drop box for new toys that any agency or hospital could use.

Anyone who lives nearby handy?

Like you said it's a gesture. Who's to say that these same people don't give to other charity's also. This could be a statement that the only thing they're willing to give the Caylee Foundation is being left in the direct location that she was found.

[Neffy]

I think he's trying to demonstrate it is not SOP to do this. The guards testified that the orders they received were to remove her from her cell telling her she was to be seen by medical. The guards had never done this before. They took her to medical and the television was playing this had never happened before. She was not seen by medical despite the fact that the doctor was standing right there, this has never happened before. They were instructed to take notes, this had never happened before. They were told this was being done at the request of LE, this was never done before. The video had never been saved before. They had never zoomed in on an inmate in medical before. They had never transferred the security to video and saved before.

Which part of this is SOP?

JMO

What IS standard procedure for someone jailed for murder and the remains found after they are incarcerated?

They seemed to have left that portion out and made it a general we dont do this. I'd like to have a count for these inmates of the Orange County Jail that have been indicted under these same circumstances ie: murder indictment, body found afterward.

They do have Casey's reaction to bones found at Blanchard. I'm sure there's quite a contrast.

What do you do with a prolific liar? Compare reactions?

[ruth66]

I think he's trying to demonstrate it is not SOP to do this. The guards testified that the orders they received were to remove her from her cell telling her she was to be seen by medical. The guards had never done this before. They took her to medical and the television was playing this had never happened before. She was not seen by medical despite the fact that the doctor was standing right there, this has never happened before. They were instructed to take notes, this had never happened before. They were told this was being done at the request of LE, this was never done before. The video had never been saved before. They had never zoomed in on an inmate in medical before. They had never transferred the security to video and saved before.

Which part of this is SOP?

JMO

Lapis,
But do we know which part of it is not SOP? What if these two officers had only been working there for lets say 6 mos. and had never run into the exact same set of circumstances (not saying this is the case). I can understand that these officers had never encountered this before but does it happen fairly often? Enough for these two officers to encounter it regularly? I would hope that this scenario isn't played out with some degree of frequency. What do you think? :confused:

[Daffodil]

Like you said it's a gesture. Who's to say that these same people don't give to other charity's also. This could be a statement that the only thing they're willing to give the Caylee Foundation is being left in the direct location that she was found.


I'm not questioning whether they donate to other charities. I really don't think they are making a statement about the only thing they would give the foundation. I believe they are giving of their hearts. I probably would have done the same thing if I lived nearby. But, now, we all see that they are just being thrown out because what else can be done with them? This is all about memorializing Caylee. It would be great if there was a dual purpose in what is given from this point forward. I hope you understand that I am respectfully posting my thoughts.

[Daffodil]

What IS standard procedure for someone jailed for murder and the remains found after they are incarcerated?

They seemed to have left that portion out and made it a general we dont do this. I'd like to have a count for these inmates of the Orange County Jail that have been indicted under these same circumstances ie: murder indictment, body found afterward.

They do have Casey's reaction to bones found at Blanchard. I'm sure there's quite a contrast.

What do you do with a prolific liar? Compare reactions?


Neffy,

I wanted to post that but just couldn't put it in words as well as you did.

[101Spots]

Cindy's probably down their with her calculator adding up what she thinks should be in her "foundation" account instead of on the site and getting infuriated by monies not in her pocket.

I am president of a teeny foundation. We support education in our local area by funding projects for other organizations and by giving scholarships to students in our school district. I spent the day writing letters awarding scholarships to this years graduating seniors and writing checks for other projects.

It occurred to me that Cindy will never know or understand the wonderful feeling or the responsibility of giving. She expects those she donates to to fall on their knees and kiss her ring. It doesn't work like that, so she will be disappointed no matter how much is contributed or how many of those bears she forces on unsuspecting children.

She's really missing out on a lot.

We are fully funded and do not solicit donations.

[Neffy]

I'm not questioning whether they donate to other charities. I really don't think they are making a statement about the only thing they would give the foundation. I believe they are giving of their hearts. I probably would have done the same thing if I lived nearby. But, now, we all see that they are just being thrown out because what else can be done with them? This is all about memorializing Caylee. It would be great if there was a dual purpose in what is given from this point forward. I hope you understand that I am respectfully posting my thoughts.

As am I :shrug:

[Amy]

I would think if Casey was so distraught Baez would want people to see that. If she needed medication and was having a panic attack this shows some kind of emotion from Casey

Wrong time to show emotion, IMO. She showed no emotion when bones were reported @ the park. Because, IMO, she knew Caylee was not in the park. She should have held her emotion in until the remains from Suburban were id'd, instead of showing her hand when they were discovered. I would think, if she truely had no idea where Caylee was, she'd have been just as upset about the bones in the park, or equally NOT upset about the remains on Suburban. Jose knows it is the TIMING of her "emotions" that is the problem. IMO

[Neffy]

I am president of a teeny foundation. We support education in our local area by funding projects for other organizations and by giving scholarships to students in our school district. I spent the day writing letters awarding scholarships to this years graduating seniors and writing checks for other projects.

It occurred to me that Cindy will never know or understand the wonderful feeling or the responsibility of giving. She expects those she donates to to fall on their knees and kiss her ring. It doesn't work like that, so she will be disappointed no matter how much is contributed or how many of those bears she forces on unsuspecting children.

She's really missing out on a lot.

We are fully funded and do not solicit donations.


Kudos to you! I've have read little bits that you've posted and have the utmost respect for what your doing. ITA, the Anthony's' will never know as they have an agenda and are not now or have the ever done this from the heart or for compassion or caring of others.

[Amy]

It sure is a mess.

I would never give something like this to my boss -- who is Judge Strickland, in this case. I wouldn't give it to anyone, it's rude to expect someone to try to read that. I don't know what's wrong with the person who wrote it, or the person who submitted it, but it's bad.

And if I were Judge Strickland, I'd shoot this thing right back to Attorney Baez' office, with a big red F on it, along with DO OVER! at the top.

I wonder if this guy ever intends to practice law again? Anywhere?
Because this kind of junk/work product isn't going to help him along that road, not one bit.

I don't know WHY in the world the "university law school" gave him a job teaching pre-trial preparation or whatever it was called. Aren't motions of all kinds part of the preparation for trial? Well, he's got the "motions of all kinds" down pat, but did he teach them THIS about preparation and presentation of those motions? SURELY his contract will not be renewed!!!! And, I pity the poor law students who would follow his lead--they will not last long in that profession if they present motions like that!!!!

[Lavinia]

Here's the cliff note version.

Baez - Blah, blah, blah, blah. Seal the tape so my wife does not see my hands down her pants. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I have no further questions.


imo

:laugh: Oh Gak, you can be a Jose' interpreter now. :scared:

[denjet]

I think he's trying to demonstrate it is not SOP to do this. The guards testified that the orders they received were to remove her from her cell telling her she was to be seen by medical. The guards had never done this before. They took her to medical and the television was playing this had never happened before. She was not seen by medical despite the fact that the doctor was standing right there, this has never happened before. They were instructed to take notes, this had never happened before. They were told this was being done at the request of LE, this was never done before. The video had never been saved before. They had never zoomed in on an inmate in medical before. They had never transferred the security to video and saved before.

Which part of this is SOP?

JMO
Hi Lapis!
I thought I had heard that she already had heard about the discovery on her radio in her cell ? I think there's a little bit of truth to both sides of the story ... bottom line is I have no idea what's SOP just basing my opinion of Jose and KC expecting special treatment and privacy that is not given to other inmates. Also, I don't know what the laws or rules are for an inmate with charges that are still being investigated or how much is allowable for LE to do by law...
Just an arm-chair "investigator" here !! :biggrin:
As always, JMO

[Daffodil]

As am I :shrug:

I sent you a PM.

[Lavinia]

I don't know WHY in the world the "university law school" gave him a job teaching pre-trial preparation or whatever it was called. Aren't motions of all kinds part of the preparation for trial? Well, he's got the "motions of all kinds" down pat, but did he teach them THIS about preparation and presentation of those motions? SURELY his contract will not be renewed!!!! And, I pity the poor law students who would follow his lead--they will not last long in that profession if they present motions like that!!!!

Did you read about the school in question? I don't have a link but let's just say it looks like water found its own level between the two.

ETA: Spelling. Oops.

[bchand]

I think he's trying to demonstrate it is not SOP to do this. The guards testified that the orders they received were to remove her from her cell telling her she was to be seen by medical. The guards had never done this before. They took her to medical and the television was playing this had never happened before. She was not seen by medical despite the fact that the doctor was standing right there, this has never happened before. They were instructed to take notes, this had never happened before. They were told this was being done at the request of LE, this was never done before. The video had never been saved before. They had never zoomed in on an inmate in medical before. They had never transferred the security to video and saved before.

Which part of this is SOP?

JMO

I think we'd have to know how many inmates were in Casey's exact position to know if anything they did was unusual. Maybe it was done before but these 2 guards weren't involved. We are not privy to that info.

Personally I want them to use any "legal" methods they can to prove her guilt. Seemed like a good tactic to me. I hope some jail personnel are on hand to testify about it.

We'll see how it works out tomorrow. The DA may not even object to the tape being sealed.

[Amy]

Is it something that CASEY would write? After all, she IS studying her law books now!

To hear Cindy tell it, Casey wouldn't even have had to study those law books. Right after one of the first hearings (where the A's were in close proximity to Casey and Baez during a pc) Cindy was ever so proudly stating how smart Casey is--she even gives advice to her attorney!!!! Of course, I think he could USE the advice of even a layperson in some of the things he does!!!

If she's been studying, she sure hasn't learned much to help him. IMO :chicken:

[lizzard]

evening all

:seeya: really. Anything new at the Ant Hill?

[puleeze09]

You're very brave, missy! What were your questions? Let us know when she replies. You know she will!

I have emailed her several times already and without fail she has always responded with her distorted view of life and how things should be. Im beginning to get used to her badgering me with her lies. Im about to send her an email where i will just rip into her to see what kind of reaction i will get out of her. It will be interesting to say the least. Emailing her might become something i can enjoy. LOL I would love to email casey and see how distorted her view of life really is. Like mother like daughter i guess. Someday she just might be committed to some mental hospital. She is nearing the breaking point. A few more emails from the good folks on this board and it might send her over the top. She has to be exposed for the liar she is.

[Daffodil]

I don't know WHY in the world the "university law school" gave him a job teaching pre-trial preparation or whatever it was called. Aren't motions of all kinds part of the preparation for trial? Well, he's got the "motions of all kinds" down pat, but did he teach them THIS about preparation and presentation of those motions? SURELY his contract will not be renewed!!!! And, I pity the poor law students who would follow his lead--they will not last long in that profession if they present motions like that!!!!



My guess would be that they needed an instructor and right away. My son's teacher last year was hired the day before school started. I knew they just had to have a body in there. It was too bad for all the students in that class because she did not have control of that class and the ones that do behave and do their work are the ones that suffered.

[101Spots]

Kudos to you! I've have read little bits that you've posted and have the utmost respect for what your doing. ITA, the Anthony's' will never know as they have an agenda and are not now or have the ever done this from the heart or for compassion or caring of others.

Thank you. :blushing: It feels like so little, but it's better than nothing.

[Neffy]

Neffy,

I wanted to post that but just couldn't put it in words as well as you did.

Danka!

There is no protocol for this case to be compared to. No wonder none was cited and it was written in generic terms. Jose sure thought the opinions of the jail house guards were very important. I bet these guards are ticked as it morphs into the "stepford" guards acting like sheep was the impression I got.

Just wanted to add my disclaimer AGAIN I had a hard time reading this without being irritated and I may have been jaded and not read it correctly I was so annoyed.

[Daffodil]

Hi Lapis!
I thought I had heard that she already had heard about the discovery on her radio in her cell ? I think there's a little bit of truth to both sides of the story ... bottom line is I have no idea what's SOP just basing my opinion of Jose and KC expecting special treatment and privacy that is not given to other inmates. Also, I don't know what the laws or rules are for an inmate with charges that are still being investigated or how much is allowable for LE to do by law...
Just an arm-chair "investigator" here !! :biggrin:
As always, JMO



I also noticed that he mentioned several times that they wanted to get her down there before her attorney arrived. I can't find anything wrong with that. They never said, get her down here so her attorney can't see her. They just wanted to document her reaction and they assumed that her attorney was on his way.

[really3997]

:seeya: really. Anything new at the Ant Hill?

Other than the Memorial site starting up again, George gave an interview today...Nope nothing...

[Neffy]

I sent you a PM.

Got it and returned :seeya:

[AMS]

I am president of a teeny foundation. We support education in our local area by funding projects for other organizations and by giving scholarships to students in our school district. I spent the day writing letters awarding scholarships to this years graduating seniors and writing checks for other projects.

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O/T That's really nice spots. I am sure the students are thrilled. I wish every school disitrct had such a foundation and nice president :thumbsup:

imo

[Daffodil]

I have emailed her several times already and without fail she has always responded with her distorted view of life and how things should be. Im beginning to get used to her badgering me with her lies. Im about to send her an email where i will just rip into her to see what kind of reaction i will get out of her. It will be interesting to say the least. Emailing her might become something i can enjoy. LOL I would love to email casey and see how distorted her view of life really is. Like mother like daughter i guess. Someday she just might be committed to some mental hospital. She is nearing the breaking point. A few more emails from the good folks on this board and it might send her over the top. She has to be exposed for the liar she is.

Would you please ask her how she is communicating with Casey?

[Lavinia]

I think he's trying to demonstrate it is not SOP to do this. The guards testified that the orders they received were to remove her from her cell telling her she was to be seen by medical. The guards had never done this before. They took her to medical and the television was playing this had never happened before. She was not seen by medical despite the fact that the doctor was standing right there, this has never happened before. They were instructed to take notes, this had never happened before. They were told this was being done at the request of LE, this was never done before. The video had never been saved before. They had never zoomed in on an inmate in medical before. They had never transferred the security to video and saved before.

Which part of this is SOP?

JMO

I understand what you mean. Of course prison is different than jail, but our medical was in NO way used to further any investigatory work for the prison or LE, not mete out punishment as an agent of anyone. What an inmate told me was between me and him unless he gave me permission to use his words to change a circumstance for him. It is not the job of medical staff to participate in any shenanigans for the prison staff, IF, big IF, they were advised to. I sometimes got crossways with the prison staff because they wanted me to mistreat, undertreat or not treat an inmate as a punishment. That was not my job, nor would I have taken a job that would do that.

[AMS]

:laugh: Oh Gak, you can be a Jose' interpreter now. :scared:

Oh gawd! Nooooooooooo! :w00t:

imo

[spiritwolf46]

actually i always thought casey was fairly articulate....in a backwards sorta way.:tonguewag:

.....:d.......

HEY! ETA: That was supposed to be the GREEN smiley!

[Amy]

Yes, he does ... when he does I keep waiting for Strickland to set him straight and he lets him carry on :confused:
Unless of course the state objects to it ... I just don't get what seems to me to be Strickland's leniency ...

The time for the motion is already slotted. The Judge could cut him off, but maybe there wouldn't be enough time left for him to do something productive, or even take a nap. Maybe he just lets Baez go on, sort of comic relief in a sad, sad case? OR, maybe the Judge IS taking a nap, so doesn't tell Jose to just go away. (j/k, of course, I don't want anyone to think I said the judge sleeps thru motions, don't want any lawsuits coming down on me!!! lol)

[Neffy]

I also noticed that he mentioned several times that they wanted to get her down there before her attorney arrived. I can't find anything wrong with that. They never said, get her down here so her attorney can't see her. They just wanted to document her reaction and they assumed that her attorney was on his way.

ITA! Jose does input that conjecture without proof! Did he verify these statements by the guards. Isn't that unusual that the persons giving these requests/orders to the guards weren't deposed? I see a lot wrong with what Jose entered without verifying more facts from higher ups and the Dr's,.

[Lapis]

Addressing Ruth and Neffy:

Based on the testimony of these two guards the burden now shifts to the state/jail to show that this is in fact SOP. Baez has met the burden of showing that the jail did not follow SOP and were working as agents for LE. Jail personnel should not be used for this purpose. I know that sometimes it is difficult to separate this case from the general principles. Casey is in jail accused of a crime not convicted. Suppose that she was out of jail. Would LE be allowed to put a camera in the house absent a court order to memorialize her reaction? Its just as probative, just as relevant. But the answer is no. So too, it should not have been allowed here.

The jail does not create special rules for each inmate. If in fact in the past they have done all the things alleged here with other inmates, they should be able to point to the cases. If in fact this is SOP they they should be able to produce the written policy and demonstrate how it was followed. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander as they say. Have the Sheriff come in and testify this is the jail policy and it was created before this case. Not just some lawyer flapping his gums as NG is fond of saying.

More importantly and if I were the Sheriff I would be concerned about, is the allegation by the guards that this was all done in a deliberate attempt to keep her from her attorney. This demonstrates they knew that they could not videotape her with her attorney.

I have stated that this may be SOP to have an inmate notified in medical of a loved one's death. The question becomes is it SOP to video it and keep the video?

If in fact this is the first time they have done it this way, they need to come clean admit that to the court and let the court decide if it violates the inmates rights.

As usual JMO

[Daffodil]

Danka!

There is no protocol for this case to be compared to. No wonder none was cited and it was written in generic terms. Jose sure thought the opinions of the jail house guards were very important. I bet these guards are ticked as it morphs into the "stepford" guards acting like sheep was the impression I got.

Just wanted to add my disclaimer AGAIN I had a hard time reading this without being irritated and I may have been jaded and not read it correctly I was so annoyed.



Know what else I got from it? I realized that the answers Jose gets are from how he words his questions. I am getting a feeling that he may just be trying to get a good quote to argue his point without asking all the really pertinent questions that he should be asking in order to literally save Casey's life.

[Daffodil]

I understand what you mean. Of course prison is different than jail, but our medical was in NO way used to further any investigatory work for the prison or LE, not mete out punishment as an agent of anyone. What an inmate told me was between me and him unless he gave me permission to use his words to change a circumstance for him. It is not the job of medical staff to participate in any shenanigans for the prison staff, IF, big IF, they were advised to. I sometimes got crossways with the prison staff because they wanted me to mistreat, undertreat or not treat an inmate as a punishment. That was not my job, nor would I have taken a job that would do that.



Thank you Lavina. Thank you for standing up for what is right. We need more people like you. Especially in a position which would affect another's life. Better to be positive than negative.

[Neffy]

Thank you. :blushing: It feels like so little, but it's better than nothing.

Just knowing that you don't pass out Dalmations with shirts and a web address soliciting donations taking visa, mc, discover or paypal is good by me :laugh:

It is alot. Don't short change yourself. :wink:

[Dells]

"Finally, it should be noted that the defense has been informed that the video of casey Anthony with her attorney Jose Baez will not be used by the State and therefore, not only should that not be sealed because of this, but based on that representation is not addressed in this supplemental letter brief."


Soooooooo......... should it or should it not be sealed?
1 not = not
2 nots = yes
3 nots = no
4 nots = yes

And this is only one sentence. :rolleyes::thumbdown:

Yep, that statement is right up there with (paraphrased):

"without haste"
"I have no further questions"
"If you think this is a slam dunk case, you are far from mistaken"
"You are assuming that Casey doesn't know where her daughter is"

:rolleyes:

[ttcRider]

:laugh: Oh Gak, you can be a Jose' interpreter now. :scared:

AMS is going to be sooo helpful come the trial! :thumbsup:

[really3997]

Yep, that statement is right up there with (paraphrased):

"without haste"
"I have no further questions"
"If you think this is a slam dunk case, you are far from mistaken"
"You are assuming that Casey doesn't know where her daughter is"

:rolleyes:

You know if I was a t-shirt company I would be raking it in:w00t:

[Amy]

Did you read about the school in question? I don't have a link but let's just say it looks like water found its own level between the two.

ETA: Spelling. Oops.

Yes, it didn't sound like somewhere I would encourage one of my kids to attend. It seems they were going for accreditation, but haven't seen the outcome of that. I don't remember which board, but some poster(s) were feeling sorry for the students about it not being accredited, but IMO, they had to know going in it wasn't, or they aren't very good @ researching colleges to go to. And, if they didn't do that, they probably would not make good lawyers, anyway.

Perhaps Baez was the only one they tapped who would do it.

[legalmania]

Addressing Ruth and Neffy:



More importantly and if I were the Sheriff I would be concerned about, is the allegation by the guards that this was all done in a deliberate attempt to keep her from her attorney. This demonstrates they knew that they could not videotape her with her attorney.

I have stated that this may be SOP to have an inmate notified in medical of a loved one's death. The question becomes is it SOP to video it and keep the video?

If in fact this is the first time they have done it this way, they need to come clean admit that to the court and let the court decide if it violates the inmates rights.

As usual JMO

(deleted for space,) I don't see in his motion where he proved any allegations. I see him making statements but I don't see him quoting any rules or any protocol that pertained to these particular officers. They were following orders. JMO

[Lapis]

Yes, it didn't sound like somewhere I would encourage one of my kids to attend. It seems they were going for accreditation, but haven't seen the outcome of that. I don't remember which board, but some poster(s) were feeling sorry for the students about it not being accredited, but IMO, they had to know going in it wasn't, or they aren't very good @ researching colleges to go to. And, if they didn't do that, they probably would not make good lawyers, anyway.

Perhaps Baez was the only one they tapped who would do it.

I don't know the history of this school but a law school must be in existence for 5 years before they can apply for accreditation. JMO

[lizzard]

I would put a big fat denied on it. It looks more like a statement than a motion.

Sorry if this has been addressed, playing ketchup and it's bugging me.
If this is for the hearing tomorrow, should it not have been presented um...I don't know....earlier???

Could this be a delay tactic?

I await with BATED breath an answer from someone.

See, Lavinia, isn't I'm smart?

[101Spots]

I don't know the history of this school but a law school must be in existence for 5 years before they can apply for accreditation. JMO

IIRC, they did manage to squeak out accreditation, but they're hanging on to it by the skin of their collective teeth.

Make that their collective tooth.

[Lapis]

(deleted for space,) I don't see in his motion where he proved any allegations. I see him making statements but I don't see him quoting any rules or any protocol that pertained to these particular officers. They were following orders. JMO

The testimony is the proof which now shifts the burden to the state to rebut the testimony. If in fact they keep her from her attorney that is per se a violation of her fifth and sixth amendment rights. The following orders does not absolve the jail and/or LE for the violation. JMO

[Neffy]

Addressing Ruth and Neffy:

Based on the testimony of these two guards the burden now shifts to the state/jail to show that this is in fact SOP. Baez has met the burden of showing that the jail did not follow SOP and were working as agents for LE. Jail personnel should not be used for this purpose. I know that sometimes it is difficult to separate this case from the general principles. Casey is in jail accused of a crime not convicted. Suppose that she was out of jail. Would LE be allowed to put a camera in the house absent a court order to memorialize her reaction? Its just as probative, just as relevant. But the answer is no. So too, it should not have been allowed here.

The jail does not create special rules for each inmate. If in fact in the past they have done all the things alleged here with other inmates, they should be able to point to the cases. If in fact this is SOP they they should be able to produce the written policy and demonstrate how it was followed. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander as they say. Have the Sheriff come in and testify this is the jail policy and it was created before this case. Not just some lawyer flapping his gums as NG is fond of saying.

More importantly and if I were the Sheriff I would be concerned about, is the allegation by the guards that this was all done in a deliberate attempt to keep her from her attorney. This demonstrates they knew that they could not videotape her with her attorney.

I have stated that this may be SOP to have an inmate notified in medical of a loved one's death. The question becomes is it SOP to video it and keep the video?

If in fact this is the first time they have done it this way, they need to come clean admit that to the court and let the court decide if it violates the inmates rights.

As usual JMO

My issue is who is validating what these guards have said? I did notice that in the issue of whether Casey collapsed into a chair or sat down the collapsed was stated and rectified is the word used for lack of a better word.

How much of these guards depo was opinion and NOT a direct request?

The guards said it therefore it is? IMO Jose needed to depose their superiors to substantiate this. I don't see that being entered. I see alot of opinions written without fact.

This is not just a case of a loved ones death. This death is what the perfect inmate is in jail for. It was already presumed Caylee was dead hence the indictment. I still see apples and oranges when it comes down to the technicalities of the events here.

[ms1950]

Addressing Ruth and Neffy:

Based on the testimony of these two guards the burden now shifts to the state/jail to show that this is in fact SOP. Baez has met the burden of showing that the jail did not follow SOP and were working as agents for LE. Jail personnel should not be used for this purpose. I know that sometimes it is difficult to separate this case from the general principles. Casey is in jail accused of a crime not convicted. Suppose that she was out of jail. Would LE be allowed to put a camera in the house absent a court order to memorialize her reaction? Its just as probative, just as relevant. But the answer is no. So too, it should not have been allowed here.

The jail does not create special rules for each inmate. If in fact in the past they have done all the things alleged here with other inmates, they should be able to point to the cases. If in fact this is SOP they they should be able to produce the written policy and demonstrate how it was followed. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander as they say. Have the Sheriff come in and testify this is the jail policy and it was created before this case. Not just some lawyer flapping his gums as NG is fond of saying.

More importantly and if I were the Sheriff I would be concerned about, is the allegation by the guards that this was all done in a deliberate attempt to keep her from her attorney. This demonstrates they knew that they could not videotape her with her attorney.

I have stated that this may be SOP to have an inmate notified in medical of a loved one's death. The question becomes is it SOP to video it and keep the video?

If in fact this is the first time they have done it this way, they need to come clean admit that to the court and let the court decide if it violates the inmates rights.

As usual JMO

Lapis:

As much as I don't want to agree with you, I do. After reading the motion, I see where Jose may have some good points. Look, we all know why these actions at the jail that day were taken in the case of Casey Anthony. LE felt compelled to "memorialize her reaction" to the finding of possible remains of Caylee. We all knew it was Caylee, at least I knew in my heart it was. Perhaps Jose may be able to prevent this from being released. However, the question that still begs to be answered is why? If in fact the video shows an "emotional" Casey, why on earth would Jose want to have it sealed? It doesn't make any sense. The argument could be made that she obviously knew (as she is the person who put the remains there) the remains were that of Caylee and therefore reacted but it could also be argued that, just like the rest of the viewing public and media, she assumed it was Caylee because of the location, so near to the Anthony home.

I'm still dying to know what the Anthony's and Mr. Baez have to reveal to the world when this comes to trial. If I recall correctly, "all of the actions of the Anthony's will become crystal clear at trial".

Thanks for your great input Lapis!

JMO

[Dick Tracy]

I'm taking this depo and possible release of the video differently. In his poorly worded paperwork, he talks of standard operating procedure in officially notifying an inmate of the death of a loved one.

Well.... Only one person knew AT THAT TIME knew that Caylee's remains were put there. Casey. It wasn't a revelation to her.

However, it wasn't official for 8 days or so that it was Caylee, so therefore this was NOT an official notification.

[legalmania]

Sorry if this has been addressed, playing ketchup and it's bugging me.
If this is for the hearing tomorrow, should it not have been presented um...I don't know....earlier???

Could this be a delay tactic?

I await with BATED breath an answer from someone.

See, Lavinia, isn't I'm smart?

So long as he gets it in before the hearing. You can bring up a motion during a hearing. He's going to have to explain it to the judge.

[Lapis]

My issue is who is validating what these guards have said? I did notice that in the issue of whether Casey collapsed into a chair or sat down the collapsed was stated and rectified is the word used for lack of a better word.

How much of these guards depo was opinion and NOT a direct request?

The guards said it therefore it is? IMO Jose needed to depose their superiors to substantiate this. I don't see that being entered. I see alot of opinions written without fact.

He does state in his motion that these depositions have uncovered others that need to be taken. He is under no obligation to validate anything. That's their testimony. Now the burden shifts to the state/jail/LE to come forward with the evidence or testimony to disprove the statements and the court will decide who is credible.

It is not opinion to state one's experience. In their experience this is not SOP. Anything that is opinion will not be allowed to be presented by the state including anything that may tend to help the state such as their characterization of her reaction. It works both ways.

JMO

[Lavinia]

Thank you Lavina. Thank you for standing up for what is right. We need more people like you. Especially in a position which would affect another's life. Better to be positive than negative.

It's funny because I can talk badazz til the cows come home, but when a human is in my ER gasping for air or crying for their mother because they are in such pain and/or scared, I'm the biggest cream-puff that ever lived. I worked with nurses who got glee out of it but I never could harden to that and if I would have started to, I would have left before I did. I'm too soft for my own good. I can talk a mean game though! :laugh:

[ms1950]

I'm taking this depo and possible release of the video differently. In his poorly worded paperwork, he talks of standard operating procedure in officially notifying an inmate of the death of a loved one.

Well.... Only one person knew AT THAT TIME knew that Caylee's remains were put there. Casey. It wasn't a revelation to her.

However, it wasn't official for 8 days or so that it was Caylee, so therefore this was NOT an official notification.

Good point! However, we are not privy to all of LE information. There may have been "physical proof" that the remains were Caylee at that time. Obviously, LE had to wait for DNA results to be completed before formally announcing that the remains were Caylle, but information they may have had convinced them without the DNA.

JMO

[Lavinia]

Sorry if this has been addressed, playing ketchup and it's bugging me.
If this is for the hearing tomorrow, should it not have been presented um...I don't know....earlier???

Could this be a delay tactic?

I await with BATED breath an answer from someone.

See, Lavinia, isn't I'm smart?

Woohoo, Lizzie! I'm SO proud of you! :wub:

[legalmania]

The testimony is the proof which now shifts the burden to the state to rebut the testimony. If in fact they keep her from her attorney that is per se a violation of her fifth and sixth amendment rights. The following orders does not absolve the jail and/or LE for the violation. JMO

Let me go back and read the motion.

[Dells]

.....:d.......

HEY! ETA: That was supposed to be the GREEN smiley!

You have to use the capital "D" for that particular smiley.

: D = :D

[lizzard]

So long as he gets it in before the hearing. You can bring up a motion during a hearing. He's going to have to explain it to the judge.

Thank you, ma'am. I could feel a major crank brewing deep inside me if this was going to be delayed.

[TunaMelt]

Yep, that statement is right up there with (paraphrased):

"without haste"
"I have no further questions"
"If you think this is a slam dunk case, you are far from mistaken"
"You are assuming that Casey doesn't know where her daughter is"

:rolleyes:

:lol:

I got an idea.
How about they blur out the face of the attorney who is with KC in the video.
Then his identity will be protected.

:w00t:

[sammy62]

YEA - AND REQUESTED NO ONE FOLLOW THEM. I bet he already had reservations at Motel 6. - too bad Jose. He is really stupid. I bet the judge laughed his head off after that request.

I haven't seen this. Was it part of a hearing?

Also...does anyone have a link to George tonight. Guess I have to stay informed....gag

[Lavinia]

Yep, that statement is right up there with (paraphrased):

"without haste"
"I have no further questions"
"If you think this is a slam dunk case, you are far from mistaken"
"You are assuming that Casey doesn't know where her daughter is"

:rolleyes:

Don't forget, "You will learn to respect me." :lol::lol:

[ttcRider]

My issue is who is validating what these guards have said? I did notice that in the issue of whether Casey collapsed into a chair or sat down the collapsed was stated and rectified is the word used for lack of a better word.

How much of these guards depo was opinion and NOT a direct request?

The guards said it therefore it is? IMO Jose needed to depose their superiors to substantiate this. I don't see that being entered. I see alot of opinions written without fact.

This is not just a case of a loved ones death. This death is what the perfect inmate is in jail for. It was already presumed Caylee was dead hence the indictment. I still see apples and oranges when it comes down to the technicalities of the events here.

I thought it was ok to lie during depos? :confused:

[Dells]

The time for the motion is already slotted. The Judge could cut him off, but maybe there wouldn't be enough time left for him to do something productive, or even take a nap. Maybe he just lets Baez go on, sort of comic relief in a sad, sad case? OR, maybe the Judge IS taking a nap, so doesn't tell Jose to just go away. (j/k, of course, I don't want anyone to think I said the judge sleeps thru motions, don't want any lawsuits coming down on me!!! lol)

How much time have they allowed for this particular motion? It seems like they have a ton of stuff to get through. The new DPQ attorney, whether or not the tape can be released, the motions about phone records that JB wants from the meter reader, Casey's family, and Casey's ex-friends and associates. I hope they have enough time to fit everything in!

[lizzard]

It's funny because I can talk badazz til the cows come home, but when a human is in my ER gasping for air or crying for their mother because they are in such pain and/or scared, I'm the biggest cream-puff that ever lived. I worked with nurses who got glee out of it but I never could harden to that and if I would have started to, I would have left before I did. I'm too soft for my own good. I can talk a mean game though! :laugh:

I bet they run when you pull out your eyeball :scared:

[Lavinia]

:lol:

I got an idea.
How about they blur out the face of the attorney who is with KC in the video.
Then his identity will be protected.

:w00t:

Yeah, just don't blur out the Weeble body and it will be a slam dunk.

[sammy62]

You have to use the capital "D" for that particular smiley.

: D = :D

I was afraid to ask what it meant. lol

[TunaMelt]

It's funny because I can talk badazz til the cows come home, but when a human is in my ER gasping for air or crying for their mother because they are in such pain and/or scared, I'm the biggest cream-puff that ever lived. I worked with nurses who got glee out of it but I never could harden to that and if I would have started to, I would have left before I did. I'm too soft for my own good. I can talk a mean game though! :laugh:

sounds a lot like that nurse in that movie about a cukoo's nest
:wink:

[Lavinia]

I bet they run when you pull out your eyeball :scared:

:laugh: I didn't SAY I don't use psychological torture. But I will give them O2 just to continue toying with them if nothing else. :sneaky:

[Lavinia]

sounds a lot like that nurse in that movie about a cukoo's nest
:wink:

That would be Ratched, my first nic here; may she RIP. :sad: :patriot:

[TunaMelt]

:laugh: I didn't SAY I don't use psychological torture. But I will give them O2 just to continue toying with them if nothing else.

:lol:

OMG, you are funny.

If you weren't you'd be :scared:

[Lavinia]

I thought it was ok to lie during depos? :confused:
Depos are under oath. :no: lying.

[bchand]

I haven't seen this. Was it part of a hearing?

Also...does anyone have a link to George tonight. Guess I have to stay informed....gag

Here's the interview if you think you can stand it -

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/anthony_case

[TunaMelt]

That would be Ratched, my first nic here; may she RIP. :patriot:

I know.
:wink:
RIP, Nurse Ratched.
She was quite a woman.
:patriot:

[AMS]

Here's the interview if you think you can stand it -

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/anthony_case

I wonder why he is all dressed up...shirt and tie.

imo

[ttcRider]

I know.
:wink:
RIP, Nurse Ratched.
She was quite a woman.
:patriot:

:lol: oh gawd, I need a tissue HERE!

[Lavinia]

:lol:

OMG, you are funny.

If you weren't you'd be :scared:

Come on our Or-lawn-doe Absinthe Tour. I'll fix you right up TunaMelt. :wub: (BYOB Bring your own bail.)

[Neffy]

I understand what you mean. Of course prison is different than jail, but our medical was in NO way used to further any investigatory work for the prison or LE, not mete out punishment as an agent of anyone. What an inmate told me was between me and him unless he gave me permission to use his words to change a circumstance for him. It is not the job of medical staff to participate in any shenanigans for the prison staff, IF, big IF, they were advised to. I sometimes got crossways with the prison staff because they wanted me to mistreat, undertreat or not treat an inmate as a punishment. That was not my job, nor would I have taken a job that would do that.

See I feel there is a problem with these depositions. Although not saying it, it was certainly alluded to by the guards stating what their opinion was of the matter. It comes down to substantiation of their claims/opinions. IMO this was not professionally done for this criminal case. Sounds like Jose is trying the preponderance of evidence with no substantiating it aka the Jose way.

[Lavinia]

I know.
:wink:
RIP, Nurse Ratched.
She was quite a woman.
:patriot:

She was SO good. <sniff, sniff>

:tonguewag:

Love all you guys, but I'm cutting out early!

Wake me for the fireworks tomorrow!

SMOOCHES to you all!

[bchand]

I wonder why he is all dressed up...shirt and tie.

imo

Probably out soliciting for their new foundation.

[ms1950]

In the case of Casey's reaction to the scene of LE discovering Caylee's remains perhaps Jose would have preferred Casey to have been "shocked" "horrified" and perhaps questioning that the remains were that of Caylee. She should have proclaimed, "Caylee is still alive!".

I know that personally, if I were innocent of any wrong doing, I would have made statements to that effect right then and there. "Who did this to my daughter?" "You have to find who did this to Caylee!". Oh my gosh, this can't be my baby!" Sadly, no words to that effect were spoken. She did however ask to be medicated.

JMO

[lizzard]

Come on our Or-lawn-doe Absinthe Tour. I'll fix you right up TunaMelt. :wub: (BYOB Bring your own bail.)

Best put LP on speed dial.:laugh:

[bchand]

She was SO good. <sniff, sniff>

:tonguewag:

Love all you guys, but I'm cutting out early!

Wake me for the fireworks tomorrow!

SMOOCHES to you all!

Have a good night Lavinia ! Get your chores done early tomorrow.

:thumbup:

[seeing_eye]

I wonder why he is all dressed up...shirt and tie.

imo

He knew he was going to be on TV? :confused:

[Neffy]

I thought it was ok to lie during depos? :confused:

And to cite what's relevant :sneaky:

[ruth66]

Addressing Ruth and Neffy:

Based on the testimony of these two guards the burden now shifts to the state/jail to show that this is in fact SOP. Baez has met the burden of showing that the jail did not follow SOP and were working as agents for LE. Jail personnel should not be used for this purpose. I know that sometimes it is difficult to separate this case from the general principles. Casey is in jail accused of a crime not convicted. Suppose that she was out of jail. Would LE be allowed to put a camera in the house absent a court order to memorialize her reaction? Its just as probative, just as relevant. But the answer is no. So too, it should not have been allowed here.

The jail does not create special rules for each inmate. If in fact in the past they have done all the things alleged here with other inmates, they should be able to point to the cases. If in fact this is SOP they they should be able to produce the written policy and demonstrate how it was followed. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander as they say. Have the Sheriff come in and testify this is the jail policy and it was created before this case. Not just some lawyer flapping his gums as NG is fond of saying.

More importantly and if I were the Sheriff I would be concerned about, is the allegation by the guards that this was all done in a deliberate attempt to keep her from her attorney. This demonstrates they knew that they could not videotape her with her attorney.

I have stated that this may be SOP to have an inmate notified in medical of a loved one's death. The question becomes is it SOP to video it and keep the video?

If in fact this is the first time they have done it this way, they need to come clean admit that to the court and let the court decide if it violates the inmates rights.

As usual JMO

Thank you Lapis for your response. Thank you for taking the time to explain it. If it is SOP I hope the sheriff's dept. will provide the proof. I would hate to see all of these happenings affect the outcome of this case. I want CAYLEE to get the justice she deserves. Does that make me appear to be baised at times, I can only imagine it does.
JMO

[really3997]

Here's the interview if you think you can stand it -

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/anthony_case

all I can say is "Bonehead"

[Neffy]

In the case of Casey's reaction to the scene of LE discovering Caylee's remains perhaps Jose would have preferred Casey to have been "shocked" "horrified" and perhaps questioning that the remains were that of Caylee. She should have proclaimed, "Caylee is still alive!".

I know that personally, if I were innocent of any wrong doing, I would have made statements to that effect right then and there. "Who did this to my daughter?" "You have to find who did this to Caylee!". Oh my gosh, this can't be my baby!" Sadly, no words to that effect were spoken. She did however ask to be medicated.

JMO

Good point. The same reaction she'd given about the bones discovered at Blanchard Park.

[bchand]

all I can say is "Bonehead"

I expressed my dismay at the MyFoxOrlando website that they keep giving the Anthonys airtime. (As if they care.) I just want them to go away.

[spiritwolf46]

You have to use the capital "D" for that particular smiley.

: D = :D

Awww! Thanks Dells! :)

[Neffy]

all I can say is "Bonehead"

I'm sorry I see that bear and I'm reminded of a murdered little girl which gives me no comfort and a website to give donations to two people who are living off of contributions in the name of Caylee.

[justme54]

Maybe it's his rotting soul he's smelling. :mad:

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[sammy62]

Here's the interview if you think you can stand it -

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/anthony_case

OMG did George look terrible. The best dressed I"ve ever seen him...but he looked so old.

[Neffy]

I expressed my dismay at the MyFoxOrlando website that they keep giving the Anthonys airtime. (As if they care.) I just want them to go away.

Can you think of one other instance where someone used the name of their murdered loved one and used it as a logo for a childs cuddly toy?

Again sorry but I don't see much difference in this or that dang Caylee doll manufacturer loser.

[norwood]

He doesn't use any case law or statutes he just says it's in violation of the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh amendments of the constitution, including right to counsel? As a paralegal I wouldn't hand this in never the less an attorney.

Hi I am a paralegal also and this thing would be grounds for termination. Good Grief!

[djmsmom]

OMG did George look terrible. The best dressed I"ve ever seen him...but he looked so old.

He said twice in this interview that June 16 is the last day he seen his granddaughter. I believe they never seen her again after the fight on June 15, maybe they think it's less "telling" if she disapeared in broad daylight????. Don't think they'll use the Zanny story anymore.

[legalmania]

In the case of Casey's reaction to the scene of LE discovering Caylee's remains perhaps Jose would have preferred Casey to have been "shocked" "horrified" and perhaps questioning that the remains were that of Caylee. She should have proclaimed, "Caylee is still alive!".

I know that personally, if I were innocent of any wrong doing, I would have made statements to that effect right then and there. "Who did this to my daughter?" "You have to find who did this to Caylee!". Oh my gosh, this can't be my baby!" Sadly, no words to that effect were spoken. She did however ask to be medicated.

JMO

You are right , why didn't she reclaim her original statement " I know she's alive I can feel it." You think she would have said that's not her my gut says so. I don't see anything wrong with the way this was handled. The staff had to do something, bringing her to the mental health facility was the best place for her at this point. Suppose she hurt herself, then the staff would have been in deep trouble. They couldn't wait around for Jose suppose he couldn't get there. I think their main objective was to keep her safe and that's what was done. She did sit a little long by herself but she was safe. I really don't think she cared that much about Caylee and she already knew what happened to her, and where she was. I believe she was shocked because they found her. JMO.

[Imperfect4]

I know.
:wink:
RIP, Nurse Ratched.
She was quite a woman.
:patriot:

My old nics take up an entire corner of the cemetery. :laugh:

[Nellie]

all I can say is "Bonehead"

I, I, I....
No matter who it is in that family, it's always "all about them".

[Lapis]

You are right , why didn't she reclaim her original statement " I know she's alive I can feel it." You think she would have said that's not her my gut says so. I don't see anything wrong with the way this was handled. The staff had to do something, bringing her to the mental health facility was the best place for her at this point. Suppose she hurt herself, then the staff would have been in deep trouble. They couldn't wait around for Jose suppose he couldn't get there. I think their main objective was to keep her safe and that's what was done. She did sit a little long by herself but she was safe. I really don't think she cared that much about Caylee and she already knew what happened to her, and where she was. I believe she was shocked because they found her. JMO.

Fine as far as you go....but why video it, why zoom in on her, why not give her the medical attention if the staff is standing by, why keep notes, why save the tape and transfer it to video and why turn it over to LE?

[lizzard]

I think I just got through reading the motion :blink::blink:

Was that English?

jmo

[TunaMelt]

My old nics take up an entire corner of the cemetery. :laugh:

GMTA.
:laugh:
I was just thinking we'd need to construct an enormous cemetery if we laid to rest all of all our nics!

I'd need another corner, at least.
:wink:

[Nellie]

Can you think of one other instance where someone used the name of their murdered loved one and used it as a logo for a childs cuddly toy?

Again sorry but I don't see much difference in this or that dang Caylee doll manufacturer loser.


........probably where they got the idea!

I'm sorry....but if something were to happen in my family, would I want my child to be comforted by a bear that represents a little girl who was murdered by her mom?

Our Police already have bears they give children....did their police department not already do that?

[really3997]

I, I, I....
No matter who it is in that family, it's always "all about them".

and more at 10:00 with George carp

[TunaMelt]

I think I just got through reading the motion :blink:

Was that English?

I didn't think it was.
I mean, usually I don't have much trouble reading any more, I get by fine :rolleyes: But I didn't get much into page 2 in that mess.

The boy ain't got no finesse. Among many other things.

:rolleyes:

[Imperfect4]

OMG did George look terrible. The best dressed I"ve ever seen him...but he looked so old.

Just once I'd like a member of this family to mention what CAYLEE, THE VICTIM went through. I'm soooo fricking sick of hearing about George's pain, Cindy's pain, Casey's pain. Not one of these adults has EVER MENTIONED how horrible CAYLEE was surely feeling on her last night on earth. :mad:

[legalmania]

Fine as far as you go....but why video it, why zoom in on her, why not give her the medical attention if the staff is standing by, why keep notes, why save the tape and transfer it to video and why turn it over to LE?

For some reason they felt it should be documented, remember they had never done this before, maybe they were afraid she would claim she was abused later. Somebody at the top felt this was necessary. They weren't sure how much information she heard over the radio and I think they were observing her. I 'll repeat myself they just wanted to make sure she was safe from hurting herself or somebody else, which is their job. JMO

[Lapis]

For some reason they felt it should be documented, remember they had never done this before, maybe they were afraid she would claim she was abused later. Somebody at the top felt this was necessary. They weren't sure how much information she heard over the radio and I think they were observing her. I 'll repeat myself they just wanted to make sure she was safe from hurting herself or somebody else, which is their job. JMO

Fine but if its only to document how she was treated why turn it over to LE? and why not give her medical attention for 30-45 minutes?

[Imperfect4]

I, I, I....
No matter who it is in that family, it's always "all about them".

Yes, it sure is. They've got a murdered toddler, but it's all about how bad George is going to feel on Father's Day, on June 16th, on July 15th, and blah blah blah. It's a wonder any of these people could get out of the mirror long enough to feed Caylee cereal during her short time on earth.

[KittyMom]

Do you think there'll be a drum roll and a huge, velvet curtain for the new atty to walk through tomorrow?

[Dick Tracy]

OMG did George look terrible. The best dressed I"ve ever seen him...but he looked so old.

He looked bad. Yeah. He's been through alot, poor fella. The human side of me feels for him, he's been through a significant emotional event, which are usually life changing moments in one's life.

Part of it that I'm sure weighs on him, is his lack of having control, or at least sharing the control of raising his family which has crumbled. I'm sure he blames alot of that on himself.

He is a fish out of water with the media, and he's just being led around by the nose by the ringleader Cindy.

"This is a Caylee Bear" - I'm glad to see they are DONATING them, and that they have the money from them Connecticut folks to do so.

Do something good George. Tell the truth!!

[Imperfect4]

Do you think there'll be a drum roll and a huge, velvet curtain for the new atty to walk through tomorrow?

And upstage The Amazing Baez? Not a chance. :glare:

[Dick Tracy]

Do you think there'll be a drum roll and a huge, velvet curtain for the new atty to walk through tomorrow?

I don't think it's going to be anyone famous, but I could be wrong, and sometimes am. I just hope it's not someone I admire, unless it's Bob Shapiro.

We would have known something by now. I wonder if this new lawyer is going to "parachute in"!!?? Wouldn't that be the cats-azz????

[legalmania]

I think I just got through reading the motion :blink::blink:

Was that English?

jmo

I had to read it twice, unless you know the whole story it can be very confusing. I hope he attached the transcripts he was talking about or the judge is going to be very lost. I wonder why he is so worried about this tape being released.

[Daffodil]

I'm taking this depo and possible release of the video differently. In his poorly worded paperwork, he talks of standard operating procedure in officially notifying an inmate of the death of a loved one.

Well.... Only one person knew AT THAT TIME knew that Caylee's remains were put there. Casey. It wasn't a revelation to her.

However, it wasn't official for 8 days or so that it was Caylee, so therefore this was NOT an official notification.



Great point Dick Tracy!!!

[djmsmom]

Fine but if its only to document how she was treated why turn it over to LE? and why not give her medical attention for 30-45 minutes?

Lapis if the video is deemed inadmissable then will the guards still be able to testify?

[Daffodil]

It's funny because I can talk badazz til the cows come home, but when a human is in my ER gasping for air or crying for their mother because they are in such pain and/or scared, I'm the biggest cream-puff that ever lived. I worked with nurses who got glee out of it but I never could harden to that and if I would have started to, I would have left before I did. I'm too soft for my own good. I can talk a mean game though! :laugh:



My bolding. You're too soft for other's own good!!! We need more of you!!

[lizzard]

I didn't think it was.
I mean, usually I don't have much trouble reading any more, I get by fine :rolleyes: But I didn't get much into page 2 in that mess.

The boy ain't got no finesse. Among many other things.

:rolleyes:

No kidding. It's pretty sad when the pages are mixed up and you don't notice the lack of continuity. :tongueside:

[Dells]

Just once I'd like a member of this family to mention what CAYLEE, THE VICTIM went through. I'm soooo fricking sick of hearing about George's pain, Cindy's pain, Casey's pain. Not one of these adults has EVER MENTIONED how horrible CAYLEE was surely feeling on her last night on earth. :mad:

Probably because to focus on what Caylee went through when she was murdered, would just remind people that her own mother is the one who is charged w/her murder. As if we even need the reminder.:sneaky: I'll tell you, it's forever etched in my brain what that poor baby had to go through at the hands of her mother. It's easier for The Anthony's to disassociate themselves from what Caylee went through by calling it "Caylee's terminal event" or "Caylee's tragedy".:sneaky:

[Lapis]

Lapis if the video is deemed inadmissable then will the guards still be able to testify?

I don't believe so. If it is deemed inadmissible it will be on the grounds that the jail violated her rights and the guards testimony will fall under the same catagory. JMO

[Neffy]

Fine as far as you go....but why video it, why zoom in on her, why not give her the medical attention if the staff is standing by, why keep notes, why save the tape and transfer it to video and why turn it over to LE?

To use as evidence. There is still a murder investigation going on even though Casey was indicted. I don't know the legalities of what they did but it sure will be interesting. If Baez does have a leg to stand on IMO he presented it horribly in this mickey mouse of a motion. It's horribly written and has no teeth to it in accordance to the law. As I said before, is any one in that office of a professional capacity?

Perhaps Strickland will keep it sealed and give Jose some leaway to take another bite at a motion but I can't see that motion doing anything else but being offensive to a Judge.

I'm more interested to see what Strickland has to say about it then in which way he'll rule. I believe whole heartedly it will be entered at trial and not seeing it now is really no big deal to me. Baez's pseudo lawyering is really a fascinating sight.

[legalmania]

And upstage The Amazing Baez? Not a chance. :glare:

Now here is a song for two peas in a pod.

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[Daffodil]

Here's the interview if you think you can stand it -

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/anthony_case

Okay, I think I have finally had enough of George. Why is he dressed up anyway?

[nana6]

No kidding. It's pretty sad when the pages are mixed up and you don't notice the lack of continuity. :tongueside:

Hi Lizzard, Yep kinda reminds me of Mayberry

[really3997]

Okay, I think I have finally had enough of George. Why is he dressed up anyway?

Who knows..Why is Fox35 calling this an exclusive interview coming up next ONLY on FOX..hello what about only of CNN, CBS and WESH

[Daffodil]

He said twice in this interview that June 16 is the last day he seen his granddaughter. I believe they never seen her again after the fight on June 15, maybe they think it's less "telling" if she disapeared in broad daylight????. Don't think they'll use the Zanny story anymore.



It may have been the 16th when he saw Caylee last. But she was no longer allive at that point.

[Lapis]

To use as evidence. There is still a murder investigation going on even though Casey was indicted. I don't know the legalities of what they did but it sure will be interesting. If Baez does have a leg to stand on IMO he presented it horribly in this mickey mouse of a motion. It's horribly written and has no teeth to it in accordance to the law. As I said before, is any one in that office of a professional capacity?

Perhaps Strickland will keep it sealed and give Jose some leaway to take another bite at a motion but I can't see that motion doing anything else but being offensive to a Judge.

I'm more interested to see what Strickland has to say about it then in which way he'll rule. I believe whole heartedly it will be entered at trial and not seeing it now is really no big deal to me. Baez's pseudo lawyering is really a fascinating sight.

I will not be the one to defend JB's legal skills. What I am interested in is the legal principles involved. I would hate to give unneccessary reasons for appeal based upon a little overzealousness by LE. Courts hate the violation of the defendant's rights and will not approach the analysis as we do on this board of "who cares she's guilty". JMO

[Neffy]

Just once I'd like a member of this family to mention what CAYLEE, THE VICTIM went through. I'm soooo fricking sick of hearing about George's pain, Cindy's pain, Casey's pain. Not one of these adults has EVER MENTIONED how horrible CAYLEE was surely feeling on her last night on earth. :mad:

They certainly never bring attention to the fact she was murdered. They would rather focus on her being a missing child, still to this day.

[lizzard]

Probably because to focus on what Caylee went through when she was murdered, would just remind people that her own mother is the one who is charged w/her murder. As if we even need the reminder.:sneaky: I'll tell you, it's forever etched in my brain what that poor baby had to go through at the hands of her mother. It's easier for The Anthony's to disassociate themselves from what Caylee went through by calling it "Caylee's terminal event" or "Caylee's tragedy".:sneaky:

ITA, Dells. The disassociation comes through loud and clear every time they don't mention Caylee by name. :cursing:

jmo

[eagleeer]

Do you think there'll be a drum roll and a huge, velvet curtain for the new atty to walk through tomorrow?

And of course the famous Red Carpet.

[nana6]

well we have to go to a funeral tomorrow in the morning and we will not be back before court is over. So, I will be here in the afternoon counting on you all to fill me in. Thank you in advance:wub:

[Neffy]

I will not be the one to defend JB's legal skills. What I am interested in is the legal principles involved. I would hate to give unneccessary reasons for appeal based upon a little overzealousness by LE. Courts hate the violation of the defendant's rights and will not approach the analysis as we do on this board of "who cares she's guilty". JMO

Granted we all spout off but violating Casey's rights is the majority's biggest fear.

Some where in that loser motion I believe Jose may have a case. Not presented like that though. That was pathetic. I'll have to listen to the Pros to decipher what the dang law is there and why what was done and for what reasons and if the put their feet to the line or went over it.

It is not clear, concise. Her rights were violated according to what? What amendments match up to what was done. I have a junk drawer with more order and footing to finding things than that has.

[really3997]

You sayin' George LIED?! :scared:

I would call it more of a "mistruth"

[Imperfect4]

Probably because to focus on what Caylee went through when she was murdered, would just remind people that her own mother is the one who is charged w/her murder. As if we even need the reminder.:sneaky: I'll tell you, it's forever etched in my brain what that poor baby had to go through at the hands of her mother. It's easier for The Anthony's to disassociate themselves from what Caylee went through by calling it "Caylee's terminal event" or "Caylee's tragedy".:sneaky:

I agree. But the omission is glaringly obvious, and when coupled with them going on and on and on about THEMSELVES, serves only to further inflame the public against them. It's disgraceful the way they simply don't ever mention that CAYLEE was the victim -- they talk instead of their own "victimization" -- a group of adults who had choices and options and screwed up royally, every one of them. They can barely say the child's name. It's sooooo obvious. And so WRONG.

[101Spots]

I will not be the one to defend JB's legal skills. What I am interested in is the legal principles involved. I would hate to give unneccessary reasons for appeal based upon a little overzealousness by LE. Courts hate the violation of the defendant's rights and will not approach the analysis as we do on this board of "who cares she's guilty". JMO

As much as I would reallyreallyreally like to see this video (the voyeur in me!), I'd rather the video be sealed and the trial proceed in a purified atmosphere with no grounds for appeal.

Lapis, do you think that if it is sealed that it would ever be unsealed after the trial? I am nosy, but I could wait that long if it meant a valid trial.

How's Lapis Kitty?

[Daffodil]

I do think the Anthony's will eventually fade away. Listening to NG right now about the Coleman tragedy. That is so very sad, sick and will probably capture a lot of attention.

[seeing_eye]

I will not be the one to defend JB's legal skills. What I am interested in is the legal principles involved. I would hate to give unneccessary reasons for appeal based upon a little overzealousness by LE. Courts hate the violation of the defendant's rights and will not approach the analysis as we do on this board of "who cares she's guilty". JMO

My intellect agrees with what you say about the defendant's rights, but my emotional side at the moment is more concerned with Caylee's rights. I just hope someone is watching out for them.

[really3997]

I do think the Anthony's will eventually fade away. Listening to NG right now about the Coleman tragedy. That is so very sad, sick and will probably capture a lot of attention.

WHEN please tell

[Daffodil]

I agree. But the omission is glaringly obvious, and when coupled with them going on and on and on about THEMSELVES, serves only to further inflame the public against them. It's disgraceful the way they simply don't ever mention that CAYLEE was the victim -- they talk instead of their own "victimization" -- a group of adults who had choices and options and screwed up royally, every one of them. They can barely say the child's name. It's sooooo obvious. And so WRONG.



We all know that all they care about are themselves. You would think that any one of them would have at least faked concern, grief or sadness. Nope, they don't even know how to fake it or they are so far gone that they don't know that everything they say and do is just wrong.

[Imperfect4]

Okay, I think I have finally had enough of George. Why is he dressed up anyway?

We can rest assured it wasn't for a job interview. :rolleyes:

[Daffodil]

WHEN please tell



You made me laugh!!! Unfortunately, it will be a while before they are no longer of interest to the media.

[really3997]

We can rest assured it wasn't for a job interview. :rolleyes:

:lol: that's funny true but funny

[legalmania]

Well Caylee it is the time of day I like to check up on you and make sure you had a good day. I hope you played all day in the playhouse and I hope you know how many people love and miss you. Remember baby girl we all want justice for you and we won't stop until you get it. This is a song I know you like.


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[Lapis]

As much as I would reallyreallyreally like to see this video (the voyeur in me!), I'd rather the video be sealed and the trial proceed in a purified atmosphere with no grounds for appeal.

Lapis, do you think that if it is sealed that it would ever be unsealed after the trial? I am nosy, but I could wait that long if it meant a valid trial.

How's Lapis Kitty?

While the motion may only address the release of the video at this point his arguments are more suited to suppression of the video. I'm not sure the prosecution will want the video if it comes with the testimony by the guards attached. The jury may not like the appearance of a set up and may tend to question the rest of the evidence. JMO

[bchand]

Warning: They go bad again after 60 yrs.

Oh nooo don't say that.

We had 2 younger couples over for memorial day and they were saying they "discuss" purchases before they are made.

I told them I discuss it too - I say, Russ - I bought...... That's discussion right?

[Daffodil]

I wish the news would mention and have a caption at the bottom of the screen to let us know where all of these wacky cases are taking place. When reporting that a mother and 9 year old are carjacked, wouldn't it help if most of America knew the location?

Speaking of this case, they were found at Disneyland!!!!

[101Spots]

While the motion may only address the release of the video at this point his arguments are more suited to suppression of the video. I'm not sure the prosecution will want the video if it comes with the testimony by the guards attached. The jury may not like the appearance of a set up and may tend to question the rest of the evidence. JMO

I can buy that. But would it ever be released? After the verdict, say, in 2015?

[Daffodil]

Oh nooo don't say that.

We had 2 younger couples over for memorial day and they were saying they "discuss" purchases before they are made.

I told them I discuss it too - I say, Russ - I bought...... That's discussion right?

My husband says that when I have money in my hand, it just evaporates!!!

[really3997]

I wish the news would mention and have a caption at the bottom of the screen to let us know where all of these wacky cases are taking place. When reporting that a mother and 9 year old are carjacked, wouldn't it help if most of America knew the location?

Speaking of this case, they were found at Disneyland!!!!

I think that lady meant to say Disneyworld..

[Daffodil]

I think that lady meant to say Disneyworld..


Thanks. What are the details of that? Anyone know?

[Imperfect4]

I do think the Anthony's will eventually fade away. Listening to NG right now about the Coleman tragedy. That is so very sad, sick and will probably capture a lot of attention.

I'm sure they will, too. Let's face it, they just aren't that interesting. And being infuriating only gets you so far in life.

[101Spots]

Oh nooo don't say that.

We had 2 younger couples over for memorial day and they were saying they "discuss" purchases before they are made.

I told them I discuss it too - I say, Russ - I bought...... That's discussion right?

Absolutely. A downright generous discussion.

My version of discussion: I need you to move your old mower so I can park my new car in the garage. Uh...... Honey.

[bchand]

I wish the news would mention and have a caption at the bottom of the screen to let us know where all of these wacky cases are taking place. When reporting that a mother and 9 year old are carjacked, wouldn't it help if most of America knew the location?

Speaking of this case, they were found at Disneyland!!!!

They were from Philadelphia, PA.

They have evidence she bought 2 one way tickets to FL but have they been physically talked to yet by LE?

[Oregongal]

You are right , why didn't she reclaim her original statement " I know she's alive I can feel it." You think she would have said that's not her my gut says so. I don't see anything wrong with the way this was handled. The staff had to do something, bringing her to the mental health facility was the best place for her at this point. Suppose she hurt herself, then the staff would have been in deep trouble. They couldn't wait around for Jose suppose he couldn't get there. I think their main objective was to keep her safe and that's what was done. She did sit a little long by herself but she was safe. I really don't think she cared that much about Caylee and she already knew what happened to her, and where she was. I believe she was shocked because they found her. JMO.

Bolding mine...I agree legal. IIRC the guards knew she had heard the news of 'remains' being found on her little radio and she seemed a bit upset, that's why they moved her to the waiting area in case she might need medical attention. Please don't ask for a link, you will have to call on desmon...or Cury...BTW, where is Cury? for that. I don't remember when or where I read this, but, believe me I'm not making it up.
So, I also believe what they did was proper and called for. She seemed upset in her cell, they moved her to a place where they could keep a close eye on her in case she freaked out. Well, it seems she did. She just happened to do it in a common area under constant video surviellence (sp? sorry doesn't look right to me). As you said legal, they were actually protecting her as well as themselves.
And I don't see a problem with that tape being released. Course, I'm also nosey as all get out and want to see it.
:sneaky:

[Daffodil]

Since this case, I signed up for news updates at a few tv stations. I used to keep tabs open of all the stations, the webcam, newspapers, etc. Is it me, or did anyone else notice all the crime in Orlando? How ironic when they have so many tourists coming there.

[really3997]

Thanks. What are the details of that? Anyone know?

They said it was a kidnapping hoax I believe they were from Pennsylvania or somewhere around there, but they were found at the Grand Floridian..that is the best I paid attention between typing and the snoring in the room

[MrsHudson]

This morning Peter wrote:

"As I was out working today, I met a bounty hunter that knows ALL about Casey's case, including Lenny. He gave me a world of info.
Biaz is in big trouble, thats why he's quiet. There really is a family in CT. that donates to Caey and C&G. They have given over a 1/2 million dollars so far!!! They bailed out casey the second time, they helped pay for Casey defense. They send C & G 5 grand a month!!! WTH!!!"

I have doubts about this story of the generous family. It costs money to give away money. If you give a married couple more than 26,000 per year you must pay gift taxes. So a 1/2 million dollars is a bunch to pay gift taxes on let alone give away to strangers. I don't believe the story. With all due respect to Peter.

[really3997]

Since this case, I signed up for news updates at a few tv stations. I used to keep tabs open of all the stations, the webcam, newspapers, etc. Is it me, or did anyone else notice all the crime in Orlando? How ironic when they have so many tourists coming there.

Uhm I am trying not to thank you very much.

[Daffodil]

They said it was a kidnapping hoax I believe they were from Pennsylvania or somewhere around there, but they were found at the Grand Floridian..that is the best I paid attention between typing and the snoring in the room



How messed up is that? Do you know she has two other children. I believe one older and one younger. Can you imagine how this will mess them up for years to come if not forever.

[MrsHudson]

This morning Peter wrote:

"As I was out working today, I met a bounty hunter that knows ALL about Casey's case, including Lenny. He gave me a world of info.
Biaz is in big trouble, thats why he's quiet. There really is a family in CT. that donates to Caey and C&G. They have given over a 1/2 million dollars so far!!! They bailed out casey the second time, they helped pay for Casey defense. They send C & G 5 grand a month!!! WTH!!!"

I have doubts about this story of the generous family. It costs money to give away money. If you give a married couple more than 26,000 per year you must pay gift taxes. So a 1/2 million dollars is a bunch to pay gift taxes on let alone give away to strangers. I don't believe the story. With all due respect to Peter. One half of a million dollars is a huge amount of money! Think about it! Nah. I don't believe it.

[Daffodil]

This morning Peter wrote:

"As I was out working today, I met a bounty hunter that knows ALL about Casey's case, including Lenny. He gave me a world of info.
Biaz is in big trouble, thats why he's quiet. There really is a family in CT. that donates to Caey and C&G. They have given over a 1/2 million dollars so far!!! They bailed out casey the second time, they helped pay for Casey defense. They send C & G 5 grand a month!!! WTH!!!"

I have doubts about this story of the generous family. It costs money to give away money. If you give a married couple more than 26,000 per year you must pay gift taxes. So a 1/2 million dollars is a bunch to pay gift taxes on let alone give away to strangers. I don't believe the story. With all due respect to Peter.


I believe Peter was probably told all this. But I tend to take it with a grain of salt. It seems easy enough for us all to believe it. But we need proof!

[legalmania]

Bolding mine...I agree legal. IIRC the guards knew she had heard the news of 'remains' being found on her little radio and she seemed a bit upset, that's why they moved her to the waiting area in case she might need medical attention. Please don't ask for a link, you will have to call on desmon...or Cury...BTW, where is Cury? for that. I don't remember when or where I read this, but, believe me I'm not making it up.
So, I also believe what they did was proper and called for. She seemed upset in her cell, they moved her to a place where they could keep a close eye on her in case she freaked out. Well, it seems she did. She just happened to do it in a common area under constant video surviellence (sp? sorry doesn't look right to me). As you said legal, they were actually protecting her as well as themselves.
And I don't see a problem with that tape being released. Course, I'm also nosey as all get out and want to see it.
:sneaky:

o/t are you o.k.? Been worried.

[Lapis]

My intellect agrees with what you say about the defendant's rights, but my emotional side at the moment is more concerned with Caylee's rights. I just hope someone is watching out for them.

ITs not easy but it is what the law requires. In the end her rights will be protected if her accused murderer gets a fair trial the first time and is convicted. JMO