Tuesday, May 26, 2009

[Peaches]

Good Morning all. I hope you had a GREAT holiday!

Let's start our day praying for all those who loved Sheri and her sons! May they RIP.

And............may the person responsible be punished. JMOO

[darcie]

i posted this on the Memorial weekend thread, but thought I betete put it here also.

Sheri Coleman's family sues Chris Coleman

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/5C31790CCE1C8356862575C2003C090C?OpenDocument

*snipped*
The family says the suit aims to prevent Chris Coleman from profiting from the May 5 murders of Sheri Coleman, 31, and sons Garett, 11, and Gavin, 9.

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[darcie]

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-shericolemanwrongfuldealth-052509,0,7721929.story

Christopher Coleman controls all the assets of this family," says Belleville attorney Jack Carey. "And he happens to be charged with three counts of murder."

Carey will file the suit Tuesday morning, with his co-counsel, Enrico Mirabelli, who is an attorney from Chicago. Mirabelli is also Sheri Coleman's cousin.

Carey says the suit is a two part complaint. "One is that he did it," says Carey. "Of course he has expressed a not guilty plea."

"I have filed a second count alleging negligence. That is, if these threats were real, he was negligent in that he failed to protect his wife and his two children."

Christopher Coleman filed police reports months ago claiming someone was threatening his family. The case being built against him seems to allege those threats were a front. Coleman is charged with murdering his family inside their home. Sheri, Gavin, and Garret were found strangled May 5.

Carey says Sheri Coleman's family does not know what is rightfully Sheri's. Her mother is left with only memories and grief.

"The only thing that Angela [Sheri's mother] has she's gotten off the internet or the newspapers," says Carey. "No mementos, nothing from this tragedy."

Six days after the murders and about a week before charges were filed, Christopher Coleman's family spent two hours inside the home in Columbia, hauling away a trailer full of belongings. But Sheri Coleman's family has not yet been inside.

They have no legal right to enter because Sheri's name was taken off the deed in October. Carey is asking a judge to grant a temporary restraining order on that deed. If the judge grants access, Carey says Sheri's family, some of whom are in town, will go inside the home as soon as possible to look around and take an inventory of what is there. One of the first things they will search for is Sheri's signature on something, to see if it matches the paperwork which removed her from the deed.

The lawsuit requires Christopher Coleman to reveal what is rightfully Sheri's. Carey says her family does not know. And while they do not want her money, they want it protected.

"Money is not it," says Carey. "We want to make sure whoever did this does not get one thin dime out of this tragedy."

"They do not want anyone to profit from the deaths of these two young boys and Sheri."

[Musterion]

"Sheri Coleman's family files wrongful death suit against husband accused in killing"

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/783119.html

"The lawsuit, filed by attorney Jack Carey in Monroe County Circuit Court, also seeks airline schedules on commercial flights taken by Chris Coleman, including travel in connection to his former job as a security guard for Joyce Meyer Ministries.
Carey said he also intends today to seek a restraining order in St. Clair County Court in Belleville to allow Sheri Coleman's relatives to enter the family's home on Robert Drive in Columbia, where the bodies were found. The lawsuit, which seeks damages in excess of $50,000, also seeks any "memorandums or notes" and a complete work schedule connected to Coleman's job with the Joyce Meyer Ministries."

IMO.
M.

[darcie]

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/783119.html

*snipped*
The lawsuit, filed by attorney Jack Carey in Monroe County Circuit Court, also seeks airline schedules on commercial flights taken by Chris Coleman, including travel in connection to his former job as a security guard for Joyce Meyer Ministries.


AND

The lawsuit also seeks documents from Coleman's father, the Rev. Ron Coleman of Chester, who heads Grace Church Ministries in Chester, including Rev. Coleman's pay records and life insurance records.

Neither Ron Coleman nor Joyce Meyer Ministries are named as defendants. The are referred to as, "respondents in discovery."

[taylor63]

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-shericolemanwrongfuldealth-052509,0,7721929.story

Christopher Coleman controls all the assets of this family," says Belleville attorney Jack Carey. "And he happens to be charged with three counts of murder."

Carey will file the suit Tuesday morning, with his co-counsel, Enrico Mirabelli, who is an attorney from Chicago. Mirabelli is also Sheri Coleman's cousin.

Carey says the suit is a two part complaint. "One is that he did it," says Carey. "Of course he has expressed a not guilty plea."

"I have filed a second count alleging negligence. That is, if these threats were real, he was negligent in that he failed to protect his wife and his two children."

Christopher Coleman filed police reports months ago claiming someone was threatening his family. The case being built against him seems to allege those threats were a front. Coleman is charged with murdering his family inside their home. Sheri, Gavin, and Garret were found strangled May 5.

Carey says Sheri Coleman's family does not know what is rightfully Sheri's. Her mother is left with only memories and grief.

"The only thing that Angela [Sheri's mother] has she's gotten off the internet or the newspapers," says Carey. "No mementos, nothing from this tragedy."

Six days after the murders and about a week before charges were filed, Christopher Coleman's family spent two hours inside the home in Columbia, hauling away a trailer full of belongings. But Sheri Coleman's family has not yet been inside.

They have no legal right to enter because Sheri's name was taken off the deed in October. Carey is asking a judge to grant a temporary restraining order on that deed. If the judge grants access, Carey says Sheri's family, some of whom are in town, will go inside the home as soon as possible to look around and take an inventory of what is there. One of the first things they will search for is Sheri's signature on something, to see if it matches the paperwork which removed her from the deed.

The lawsuit requires Christopher Coleman to reveal what is rightfully Sheri's. Carey says her family does not know. And while they do not want her money, they want it protected.

"Money is not it," says Carey. "We want to make sure whoever did this does not get one thin dime out of this tragedy."

"They do not want anyone to profit from the deaths of these two young boys and Sheri."

I am no fan of lawsuits, in fact the majority of the time I think they are unwarranted, but in this case I don't blame the victim's family one bit. If there were ever a justifable lawsuit, this is certainly it. I don't think Coleman, or his family should be able to profit from this horrific tragedy in anyway.

[darcie]

Good morning Dwane. Nice to have you on the boards.

Most everything I have read about this case, never quotes Tara Lintz's name as the alledged girlfriend. They just speak of a girlfriend. Now quite a few newspapers have a reader's comment section, and I have read her name in several places there. I have also read that she was a family friend of the Coleman's. Then i read that she was a classmate of Sheri's, but not really friends. So I am not sure how to answer the question.

I do remember reading (either in the St. Louis Post Dispatch, or the Belleville News )that Sheri's mother was NOT aware of the alledged realtionship, but DID know the girl in question and spoke of her as a friend of the family.


Again, welcome to the board!
Get ready for the ride, because this case is going to be a bumpy one!:biggrin:

[gemsbmw]

Out of all the men that have done this, Coleman has to be the dumbest so far. What will it take for these men to realize they are not going to get away with this?


Maybe it is a toss up between Hacking and him...

[Musterion]

http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/783119.html

*snipped*
The lawsuit, filed by attorney Jack Carey in Monroe County Circuit Court, also seeks airline schedules on commercial flights taken by Chris Coleman, including travel in connection to his former job as a security guard for Joyce Meyer Ministries.


AND

The lawsuit also seeks documents from Coleman's father, the Rev. Ron Coleman of Chester, who heads Grace Church Ministries in Chester, including Rev. Coleman's pay records and life insurance records.

Neither Ron Coleman nor Joyce Meyer Ministries are named as defendants. The are referred to as, "respondents in discovery."

Good morning, darcie!

It sounds like they may believe that Chris took trips to Florida that were not worked related. Yet, he more than likely told Sheri that he was going for work.

So sad for Sheri's family to have to fight like this after such huge losses.

IMO.
M.

[CC I See]

Out of all the men that have done this, Coleman has to be the dumbest so far. What will it take for these men to realize they are not going to get away with this? Maybe it is a toss up between Hacking and him...

He may have done something stupid but don't rule out his not guilty defense because someone SET HIM UP. This will make it harder for prosecution to prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Some Jurors have a hard time with killing children and may not believe that he could do such a thing. I hope that if he is guilty that both he and the person who may have helped plan this killing, see justice.

[DeeN]

SNIPPED <"Six days after the murders and about a week before charges were filed, Christopher Coleman's family spent two hours inside the home in Columbia, hauling away a trailer full of belongings. But Sheri Coleman's family has not yet been inside.>"

Link: http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-shericolemanwrongfuldealth-052509,0,7721929.story

This reminds me of when Scott Peterson's parents went into his and Lacy's home and removed a bunch of Lacy and Connors stuff- but this is even worse!

Minimally, they could be destroying evidence that could help solve this case-if they think SOD other then their son did this.

Additionally, the Coleman's have not even contacted Sheri's family???!!! WTH? Shouldn't Sheri's family have a right to pictures of their murdered daughter and their murdered grandsons?

What kind of people are these Coleman's? Isn't the dad some sort of minister????? arggggh:cursing:

[CC I See]

SNIPPED <"Six days after the murders and about a week before charges were filed, Christopher Coleman's family spent two hours inside the home in Columbia, hauling away a trailer full of belongings. But Sheri Coleman's family has not yet been inside.>"

Link: http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-shericolemanwrongfuldealth-052509,0,7721929.story

This reminds me of when Scott Peterson's parents went into his and Lacy's home and removed a bunch of Lacy and Connors stuff- but this is even worse!

Minimally, they could be destroying evidence that could help solve this case-if they think SOD other then their son did this.

Additionally, the Coleman's have not even contacted Sheri's family???!!! WTH? Shouldn't Sheri's family have a right to pictures of their murdered daughter and their murdered grandsons?

What kind of people are these Coleman's? Isn't the dad some sort of minister????? arggggh:cursing:

This is true but does not make him a Saint or infallible. I hope that the members of his church notes the lack of reaching out to the family of their murdered grandchildren. I imagine they are circling the wagons and preparing to support their son during his upcoming trail. It might just be another love and forgiveness scenario that we have seen a lot of lately.

[aproudmom]

SNIPPED <"Six days after the murders and about a week before charges were filed, Christopher Coleman's family spent two hours inside the home in Columbia, hauling away a trailer full of belongings. But Sheri Coleman's family has not yet been inside.>"

Link: http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-shericolemanwrongfuldealth-052509,0,7721929.story

This reminds me of when Scott Peterson's parents went into his and Lacy's home and removed a bunch of Lacy and Connors stuff- but this is even worse!

Minimally, they could be destroying evidence that could help solve this case-if they think SOD other then their son did this.

Additionally, the Coleman's have not even contacted Sheri's family???!!! WTH? Shouldn't Sheri's family have a right to pictures of their murdered daughter and their murdered grandsons?

What kind of people are these Coleman's? Isn't the dad some sort of minister????? arggggh:cursing:

yep and her cousin said her family was never even ask if they would like anything such as her military uniform or a few of the boys trophies..very sad IMO Yes his father is a Minister and from what was reported earlier he never went into the home it was to hard for him so he had others go in and remove things as he waited outside..sure did not bother him to be in there the day he took his whole family out:cursing: OK well he is not guilty just charged but IMO he is very GUILTY

[darcie]

Good morning, darcie!

It sounds like they may believe that Chris took trips to Florida that were not worked related. Yet, he more than likely told Sheri that he was going for work.

So sad for Sheri's family to have to fight like this after such huge losses.

IMO.
M.

I agree Musterion. I have to wonder if JMM will come back to bite ole Chris in the behind too. I know rumors run rampant in cases like this, but I have read that the Florida fling was not the first and or only, and that there were a few within the Ministry itself. I guess time will tell.

I feel for Sheri's family also. I don't know if things could get any worse for them. An affair is one thing..murder is completely different! You know the inevitable will happen during trial. Sheri will be trashed, and somehow made out to be deserving of the crime. I'm sure. And her family will be put through hell once again. I would almost like to see a Cindy Anthony demeanor (I know, I know) being displayed by Sheri's family.

:angry:

[aproudmom]

This is true but does not make him a Saint or infallible. I hope that the members of his church notes the lack of reaching out to the family of their murdered grandchildren. I imagine they are circling the wagons and preparing to support their son during his upcoming trail. It might just be another love and forgiveness scenario that we have seen a lot of lately.

I agree CC seems we are seeing a lot of this lately..I am sure any parent would love their child no matter what but forgiveness of killing his wife and 2 sweet little boys there is no forgiveness and seems the families in all these cases we have seen do not support the one important thing SUPPORT and love of the lost loved ones and the family who has lost the most her family will not be able to see her to hug her to write her at least his family has him....jmo

[Nellie]

Out of all the men that have done this, Coleman has to be the dumbest so far. What will it take for these men to realize they are not going to get away with this?


Maybe it is a toss up between Hacking and him...

Ummm.....I don't know. I think Neil Entwhistle could give him a run for that title! It truly is amazing how incredibly stupid they are, isn't it?
Oh, add Casey to the list!

[Nellie]

I agree CC seems we are seeing a lot of this lately..I am sure any parent would love their child no matter what but forgiveness of killing his wife and 2 sweet little boys there is no forgiveness and seems the families in all these cases we have seen do not support the one important thing SUPPORT and love of the lost loved ones and the family who has lost the most her family will not be able to see her to hug her to write her at least his family has him....jmo

Too bad THIS PARENT didn't love HIS children! :cursing: ....but he can expect the love from HIS PARENTS! :cursing:

[taylor63]

This is true but does not make him a Saint or infallible. I hope that the members of his church notes the lack of reaching out to the family of their murdered grandchildren. I imagine they are circling the wagons and preparing to support their son during his upcoming trail. It might just be another love and forgiveness scenario that we have seen a lot of lately.

I am a very devout Christian, and I personally find the behaviour of the whole Coleman family to be totally appalling. On the Nancy Grace show,Sheri's cousin said his family had not heard one single word from any of the Coleman family not one word of condolence, or compassion over the murders of their beautiful daughter and grandchildren.

I would find this insensitivity reprehensible on the part of any family,and considering that Mr. Coleman is a minister I find it is especially disturbing not to mention totally heartless. They also have no mention of the brutal murders of their daughter in law, or grandsons on their church's website. Their actions are the total anthesis of everything true Christianity stands for.

If you were say a foreigner, and had just come to this country, and didn't know about this tragic case and you visited the church's website you would think nothing at all had happened.

I am sure some people will excuse this coldness by saying their in shock. I could maybe understand that in the first few days,but it has been almost a month since the murders.

I am sorry but there is just no excuse for their behaviour. If I was a member at that church, Grace ministries, I would have quit by now. And not because of Chris Coleman being arrested for the murders of his family, he's a grown man and his parents can't be held responsible for his actions tragic and horrific as they are, but by the actions of the minsiter of that church who is his father.

[CC I See]

When I think what the family of these 3 tragic victims are goin thru..I cannot, in my wildest imagination, comprehend their pain..

Reading about "his" family going thru the house and removing ANYTHING at all makes me sick..and then to realize they had to have a trailer to hold it all..I am beyond sick.

Why in the world would the Coleman's act in this manner? Why would they take and remove from the home..articles they certainly knew her parents would love to have..to comfort them..to have some remembrances of their beautiful daughter and their two beautiful grandson's..things that hold no meaning for them..things a mother should have of her daughter's..
do they have no hearts at all?

I am livid over this..they may want to support their son but this cold, hard hearted act, by them, goes a long way to tell me what kind of people they really are.
It's certainly not the acts of GODLY PEOPLE.

No one can get inside their heads to know why but my feeling on this is that they are behaving this way to protect their son. Love runs deep in some families. Also, their son's lawyer might have told them to keep quiet and not discuss the case, if they were to reach out to Sheri's family there would be lot of questions that they would expect answers to.

[darcie]

I am a very devout Christian, and I personally find the behaviour of the whole Coleman family to be totally appalling. On the Nancy Grace show,Sheri's cousin said his family had not heard one single word from any of the Coleman family not one word of condolence, or compassion over the murders of their beautiful daughter and grandchildren.

I would find this insensitivity reprehensible on the part of any family,and considering that Mr. Coleman is a minister I find it is especially disturbing not to mention totally heartless. They also have no mention of the brutal murders of their daughter in law, or grandsons on their church's website. Their actions are the total anthesis of everything true Christianity stands for.

If you were say a foreigner, and had just come to this country, and didn't know about this tragic case and you visited the church's website you would think nothing at all had happened.

I am sure some people will excuse this coldness by saying their in shock. I could maybe understand that in the first few days,but it has been almost a month since the murders.

I am sorry but there is just no excuse for their behaviour. If I was a member at that church, Grace ministries, I would have quit by now. And not because of Chris Coleman being arrested for the murders of his family, he's a grown man and his parents can't be held responsible for his actions tragic and horrific as they are, but by the actions of the minsiter of that church who is his father.

Bolded by me. Great points Tyalor. Great points. I have said the same thing, but you worded it perfectly! Thank you

[CC I See]

No. Ron Coleman is not with JMM. He runs Grace Church Ministries. imo

Hopefully they can take some time off and regain their list of priorities.

[Musterion]

No one can get inside their heads to know why but my feeling on this is that they are behaving this way to protect their son. Love runs deep in some families. Also, their son's lawyer might have told them to keep quiet and not discuss the case, if they were to reach out to Sheri's family there would be lot of questions that they would expect answers to.

CCISee,

Very well put. I think Chris obtained a lawyer very quickly. And, from a defense stance, that was wise.

From what I have been able to glean, it appears the two families were not close in any respect, to begin with. Maybe something happened years ago and they estranged themselves from one another and had no communication for a long time. It could be as simple as difference in religious beliefs or animosity from an early falling out. It happens so often.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

So sad.

"Punished." "You have paid." "I am always watching you." Those phrases, mixed in with profanity, are some of what attorney Jack Carey saw spray painted on the wall of the Coleman home in Columbia Tuesday afternoon. He called the experience emotional and enough to drive him from the house."

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-triple-murder-coleman-lawsuit-columbia-052609,0,2984988.story

IMO.
M.

[CC I See]

So sad.

"Punished." "You have paid." "I am always watching you." Those phrases, mixed in with profanity, are some of what attorney Jack Carey saw spray painted on the wall of the Coleman home in Columbia Tuesday afternoon. He called the experience emotional and enough to drive him from the house."

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-triple-murder-coleman-lawsuit-columbia-052609,0,2984988.story IMO. M.

No one will ever want to live in that house unless they sell to someone that doesn't know its history.

With the writing on the wall, I think that he is going with the defense that he was set up. They need to find the rest of the evidence that he tossed out the window, if he did it.

BTW: it looks like whoever wrote in spray paint on the wall, had no fear of being discovered by Chris Coleman. A trip to the gym usually is brief and the perpetrator had no idea how long he would be gone. But then if he did it, he had all the time in the world.

[Nellie]

I am a very devout Christian, and I personally find the behaviour of the whole Coleman family to be totally appalling. On the Nancy Grace show,Sheri's cousin said his family had not heard one single word from any of the Coleman family not one word of condolence, or compassion over the murders of their beautiful daughter and grandchildren.

I would find this insensitivity reprehensible on the part of any family,and considering that Mr. Coleman is a minister I find it is especially disturbing not to mention totally heartless. They also have no mention of the brutal murders of their daughter in law, or grandsons on their church's website. Their actions are the total anthesis of everything true Christianity stands for.

If you were say a foreigner, and had just come to this country, and didn't know about this tragic case and you visited the church's website you would think nothing at all had happened.

I am sure some people will excuse this coldness by saying their in shock. I could maybe understand that in the first few days,but it has been almost a month since the murders.

I am sorry but there is just no excuse for their behaviour. If I was a member at that church, Grace ministries, I would have quit by now. And not because of Chris Coleman being arrested for the murders of his family, he's a grown man and his parents can't be held responsible for his actions tragic and horrific as they are, but by the actions of the minsiter of that church who is his father.

This is NOT Christian behavior.
I have also wondered if Joyce Meyer has had any public comment over this case. Not that she is guilty of anything, but I would have expected her to say something and I wonder if she has reached out to Sheri's family in Christian love.

[Ice Cycle]

No one will ever want to live in that house unless they sell to someone that doesn't know its history.

With the writing on the wall, I think that he is going with the defense that he was set up. They need to find the rest of the evidence that he tossed out the window, if he did it.

BTW: it looks like whoever wrote in spray paint on the wall, had no fear of being discovered by Chris Coleman. A trip to the gym usually is brief and the perpetrator had no idea how long he would be gone. But then if he did it, he had all the time in the world.

Was my though long ago but they will have to disclose it even if they don't know it at least if the list with a Realtor. It will be very difficult to sell and I am sure the neighbors would like for someone to buy it to change the stigma in the neighborhood and sadness that I am sure the house gives off to those that knew them.

[aproudmom]

OMG I just heard what the lawyer said was on the walls..:cursing:

[aproudmom]

Was my though long ago but they will have to disclose it even if they don't know it at least if the list with a Realtor. It will be very difficult to sell and I am sure the neighbors would like for someone to buy it to change the stigma in the neighborhood and sadness that I am sure the house gives off to those that knew them.

I am sure no one will buy that home anytime soon My dad bought a home and he did not know but a very well known Dr. took his own life in there they never told him that and my dad is still freaking out over it..myself I would not be bothered with it he was a good Dr. and people die everyday in their homes..but in this case I think it will be so much harder with a mother and 2 kids being murdered in the home it will be many years before anyone would buy it..ITA I am sure the neighbors have such a hard time looking at the home knowing how full of life it had just a few weeks ago..:crying:JMO

[bkwits]

I am sure no one will buy that home anytime soon My dad bought a home and he did not know but a very well known Dr. took his own life in there they never told him that and my dad is still freaking out over it..myself I would not be bothered with it he was a good Dr. and people die everyday in their homes..but in this case I think it will be so much harder with a mother and 2 kids being murdered in the home it will be many years before anyone would buy it..ITA I am sure the neighbors have such a hard time looking at the home knowing how full of life it had just a few weeks ago..:crying:JMO

This fact (the family murders) must be disclosed by a Real Estate agent selling the home. In IL, all attorneys must represent parties in RE closings. Of course, everyone in the town would know about that house, so the buyers would absolutely have to know.

I wonder how much is owed on the house? \

ETA The John Wayne Gacy house was torn down, but someone bought the lot and had a house built on it. OOOOH, all those bodies buried in the yard, I couldn't live there. :eek:

[sunstar]

So sad.

"Punished." "You have paid." "I am always watching you." Those phrases, mixed in with profanity, are some of what attorney Jack Carey saw spray painted on the wall of the Coleman home in Columbia Tuesday afternoon. He called the experience emotional and enough to drive him from the house."

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-triple-murder-coleman-lawsuit-columbia-052609,0,2984988.story

IMO.
M.

Nancy Grace is talking about Sheri's murder tonight and had the actual phrases on the tv screen and where they were located in the house. Gloria Allred is also on the show and she said it shows the perp with a close, personal relationship with the victim to use the phrases.

Spray painted on walls of dining room: "f*** you b****" and "punished".

Going upstairs: "wh*re punished or "U are punished"

Kitchen: "I saw you leave, f*** you, I am always watching"

:scared:

[GentleBreeze]

Was my though long ago but they will have to disclose it even if they don't know it at least if the list with a Realtor. It will be very difficult to sell and I am sure the neighbors would like for someone to buy it to change the stigma in the neighborhood and sadness that I am sure the house gives off to those that knew them.

Most of these homes do sell. The seller may have to take about a 3% reduction in price but it will sell eventually, imo. They will go through the house and paint all the walls a new color or a new coat of paint.

While it certainly would not be me some people don't have qualms about buying them and aren't squeamish about such things that happened before they lived there.

imo

[CC I See]

Most of these homes do sell. The seller may have to take about a 3% reduction in price but it will sell eventually, imo. They will go through the house and paint all the walls a new color or a new coat of paint.

While it certainly would not be me some people don't have qualms about buying them and aren't squeamish about such things that happened before they lived there. imo

Especially if the price is right. :scared: Oooooooh don't get me started on haunted houses.:biggrin:

[bkwits]

Nancy Grace is talking about Sheri's murder tonight and had the actual phrases on the tv screen and where they were located in the house. Gloria Allred is also on the show and she said it shows the perp with a close, personal relationship with the victim to use the phrases.

Spray painted on walls of dining room: "f*** you b****" and "punished".

Going upstairs: "wh*re punished or "U are punished"

Kitchen: "I saw you leave, f*** you, I am always watching"

:scared:

Those messages seem to be implying that Sheri was betraying Chris (assuming he wrote them). Maybe he wrote to make it look like someone wrote them to implicate him. Oh, I 'm getting a headache. :confused:

[darcie]

Nancy Grace is talking about Sheri's murder tonight and had the actual phrases on the tv screen and where they were located in the house. Gloria Allred is also on the show and she said it shows the perp with a close, personal relationship with the victim to use the phrases.

Spray painted on walls of dining room: "f*** you b****" and "punished".

Going upstairs: "wh*re punished or "U are punished"

Kitchen: "I saw you leave, f*** you, I am always watching"

:scared:

Geeez, that is scarey!! Whoever wrote it was ONE pI**ED off dude!

What a way for Sheri, Gavin and Garrett to have to leave this world. I hate the bad,senseless ,things that happen in this ole world. :sad:

[CC I See]

Those messages seem to be implying that Sheri was betraying Chris (assuming he wrote them). Maybe he wrote to make it look like someone wrote them to implicate him. Oh, I 'm getting a headache. :confused:

I think that his defense will have two parts to it. It will be someone else that killed his family and he was set up to take the fall. The words written in paint on the wall looks like it was written by someone mad at his wife Sheri and that she might not be the loving wonderful wife people thought she was. This might turn out to be blame the victim, the wife as bringing it onto herself and family. This is going to get really nasty before it is over. At least, this is my opinion.

[sunstar]

Those messages seem to be implying that Sheri was betraying Chris (assuming he wrote them). Maybe he wrote to make it look like someone wrote them to implicate him. Oh, I 'm getting a headache. :confused:

I've got a headache too just trying to figure it out! And the more that's written, the more for LE to analyze and maybe see similarities in the writing to his, even though it's spray paint. MOO

[Musterion]

"Lawyers say Sheri Coleman would not have removed her name from deed"

"But on Oct. 6, Shari Coleman signed a quit claim deed turning over complete ownership to Christopher Coleman for $10. Records filed with the county show that on the same day, she signed a new mortgage for the same home for $230,850.
Enrico Mirabelli, Carey's co-counsel and Sheri's cousin, said the new mortgage reflected between $28,000 and $30,000 in cash equity that would have been realized as a result of the transaction.
"At this point, we have no idea what happened to that money, but we intend to investigate," said Mirabelli, a prominent Chicago divorce lawyer."

http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/783711.html

"On May 11, News-Democrat reporters showed two documents -- Sheri Coleman's voter registration card signed July 25 and the Oct. 6 quit-claim deed -- to handwriting expert Betty Butts, of Kirkwood, Mo.
Butts concluded the signatures were made by the same person."

IMO.
M.

[sunstar]

I think that his defense will have two parts to it. It will be someone else that killed his family and he was set up to take the fall. The words written in paint on the wall looks like it was written by someone mad at his wife Sheri and that she might not be the loving wonderful wife people thought she was. This might turn out to be blame the victim, the wife as bringing it onto herself and family. This is going to get really nasty before it is over. At least, this is my opinion.

What's totally missing with somebody being mad at her is going on to kill both the children ~ unless it would be the mistress, assuming Sheri refused to grant him a divorce and the kids would be in the way of the relationship she wanted with CC. The only problem is the manner in which all three were killed and the chances of a woman strangling all of them vs. CC who is a lot stronger and could do it more easily. MOO

[Ice Cycle]

What's totally missing with somebody being mad at her is going on to kill both the children ~ unless it would be the mistress, assuming Sheri refused to grant him a divorce and the kids would be in the way of the relationship she wanted with CC. The only problem is the manner in which all three were killed and the chances of a woman strangling all of them vs. CC who is a lot stronger and could do it more easily. MOO

Well I think he will stick with the plan and say whoever was threating them did it. I would still like to know if Sherri supposedly knew about these threats.

[Ice Cycle]

"Lawyers say Sheri Coleman would not have removed her name from deed"

"But on Oct. 6, Shari Coleman signed a quit claim deed turning over complete ownership to Christopher Coleman for $10. Records filed with the county show that on the same day, she signed a new mortgage for the same home for $230,850.
Enrico Mirabelli, Carey's co-counsel and Sheri's cousin, said the new mortgage reflected between $28,000 and $30,000 in cash equity that would have been realized as a result of the transaction.
"At this point, we have no idea what happened to that money, but we intend to investigate," said Mirabelli, a prominent Chicago divorce lawyer."

(http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/783711.html)
M.
Really something, so she signed the house over to him they (or he) took the equity out and did then did a new mortgage in BOTH their names. You know I have heard of it vise versa, meaning the deed is in both and the Mortgage in the guy's name (if he is one working) but never that way. Though the Mortgage held 1st and probably no equity left. I just wonder if their was a Chp11 Bankruptcy with this business that they both supposedly owned but that still does not make sense why the deed was put in his name only.

[sunstar]

Well I think he will stick with the plan and say whoever was threating them did it. I would still like to know if Sherri supposedly knew about these threats.

I agree ~ but didn't LE trace these "threats" back to his computer? I wonder how his defense will explain that. :sneaky:

[Ice Cycle]

I agree ~ but didn't LE trace these "threats" back to his computer? I wonder how his defense will explain that. :sneaky:

Oh I don't know I had not heard that, but what I was thinking and said before I would of thought if she knew about them (fake or real) with him working nights would she not of wanted a security system, dog or some extra security, most would of.

[Musterion]

I agree Musterion. I have to wonder if JMM will come back to bite ole Chris in the behind too. I know rumors run rampant in cases like this, but I have read that the Florida fling was not the first and or only, and that there were a few within the Ministry itself. I guess time will tell.

I feel for Sheri's family also. I don't know if things could get any worse for them. An affair is one thing..murder is completely different! You know the inevitable will happen during trial. Sheri will be trashed, and somehow made out to be deserving of the crime. I'm sure. And her family will be put through hell once again. I would almost like to see a Cindy Anthony demeanor (I know, I know) being displayed by Sheri's family.

:angry:

It seems that so many defenses do trash the victim. It should not be allowed. IMO.

Most ministries that I've been involved in have had some sort of scandal going on. Usually affairs. It is so common. It taints the name of Christ in many people's eyes. People may go to church, pastor a church, they may hold high positions, they may do great works, feed thousands from their ministry, but, they are just people, subject to temptation and giving in to temptation.

Jesus says in Matthew 7 that, on the day of judgement, many will come to Him and remind Him of all the good stuff that they've done for Him, casting out demons, doing wonderful miracles in His name. Jesus replies to them, Get away from Me, I have never known you. Scary stuff.

I feel so terribly for Sheri's mother and brother, father. They have to spend money that they should not have to for lawyer's. They should be able to be grieving and holding momentos close to their hearts, instead of fighting in court.

Praying for their broken hearts.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Oh I don't know I had not heard that, but what I was thinking and said before I would of thought if she knew about them (fake or real) with him working nights would she not of wanted a security system, dog or some extra security, most would of.

I had heard that LE had traced letters back to his computer. But, I believe it was a message board and not from LE or a reliable source.

IC, I could not agree with you more. Chris worked nights!! Why would they not have had an alarm AND a dog? Something isn't right.

Reports say that the neighbours knew about the letters and the tampering of the mailbox. That could lead to the assumption, if the neighbours knew, Sheri knew. But, we're back to, why would she not insist on more security....

IMO.
M.

[Nellie]

This case just got more confusing!
So, HE was getting threats connected to HIS employment....but the
scrawled notes sound like they were aimed at Sheri; not him.

And, Sheri signed the property over to Chris through a quit claim deed just to turn around that very day and take out a mortgage on it? Like she gave it to him and turned around about bought it??? I'm confused on that one and am trying to figure out WHY she would do such a thing.
And if she took out a mortgage on it.....then wasn't her name back on it???? And why a quit claim deed? We were told that a quit claim deed basically is a worthless piece of paper. I've really got to think about this one!

Her family is determined to get to the bottom of all of this hinky stuff....they know something is just not right about all of that house stuff. Good for them!

[Ice Cycle]

I had heard that LE had traced letters back to his computer. But, I believe it was a message board and not from LE or a reliable source.

IC, I could not agree with you more. Chris worked nights!! Why would they not have had an alarm AND a dog? Something isn't right.

Reports say that the neighbours knew about the letters and the tampering of the mailbox. That could lead to the assumption, if the neighbours knew, Sheri knew. But, we're back to, why would she not insist on more security....

IMO.
M.
Well thanks I had forgot about the neighbors knowing so I guess she did also. I know something not right about that, she had to be a nervous wreck staying their alone and thinking their were threats being made.

[Musterion]

"Any proceeds from the lawsuit, which seeks at least $50,000 on each of two counts, would be used to erect a Columbia monument to the slain mother and two boys, attorneys said."

http://www.southernillinoisan.com/articles/2009/05/26/ap-state-il/d98e3qsg1.txt

I pray that happens for them. Maybe a generous benefactor could make that happen without the lawsuit proceeds. It isn't a large amount to some people.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Well thanks I had forgot about the neighbors knowing so I guess she did also. I know something not right about that, she had to be a nervous wreck staying their alone and thinking their were threats being made.

I know that we're missing a lot of pieces to this puzzle.

Sheri was an MP in the military. Maybe she thought she could handle an intruder? There was a police officer across the street (allegedly that is who Chris called to do a check on his family that day). Maybe there was a security system in place but whoever murdered this family may have been savvy enough to disable? Okay, that's a stretch. (And I say, 'whoever' because I'm trying to look at that angle at times, even though it is a remote chance, IMO.)

I have never been an MP. I have never had threats against my family in the mailbox. But, we have a security system and three dogs. My little one sleeps right next to us. I'm overly consumed with safety because of cases like this, because of so many home invasions...

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

This case just got more confusing!
So, HE was getting threats connected to HIS employment....but the
scrawled notes sound like they were aimed at Sheri; not him.

And, Sheri signed the property over to Chris through a quit claim deed just to turn around that very day and take out a mortgage on it? Like she gave it to him and turned around about bought it??? I'm confused on that one and am trying to figure out WHY she would do such a thing.
And if she took out a mortgage on it.....then wasn't her name back on it???? And why a quit claim deed? We were told that a quit claim deed basically is a worthless piece of paper. I've really got to think about this one!

Her family is determined to get to the bottom of all of this hinky stuff....they know something is just not right about all of that house stuff. Good for them!

Hi Nellie! (I wish there was a hug smilie!) :)

It is confusing, isn't it?

Really good observation about the threats and who they were aimed at!

Most of the reports read that 'the family received threats.' So, that may have meant whoever had a grudge against Chris also lodged threats toward Sheri, Gavin and Garret. From my understanding, Sheri went on mission trips that were through Joyce Meyer Ministries. So, the threats against her and Chris because of who his employer was may be what the defense will focus on. And, maybe they will say that whoever killed this family, was trying to hurt Chris for working for JMM. And, the most horrendous way to hurt someone would be to harm loved ones.

IMO.
M.

[LILMANMAX]

I am appalled at the total smack of disrespect for Shari's family. :thumbdown:

My heart breaks for her family but TG they are in it for the long haul and to get to the bottom of all of this MADNESS.

What an ego-maniac this guy is. UNREAL
He is totally eaten up with the Peterson gene. JMO

[Musterion]

This case just got more confusing!
So, HE was getting threats connected to HIS employment....but the
scrawled notes sound like they were aimed at Sheri; not him.

And, Sheri signed the property over to Chris through a quit claim deed just to turn around that very day and take out a mortgage on it? Like she gave it to him and turned around about bought it??? I'm confused on that one and am trying to figure out WHY she would do such a thing.
And if she took out a mortgage on it.....then wasn't her name back on it???? And why a quit claim deed? We were told that a quit claim deed basically is a worthless piece of paper. I've really got to think about this one!

Her family is determined to get to the bottom of all of this hinky stuff....they know something is just not right about all of that house stuff. Good for them!

This is what the article at bnd.com said, regarding the whole mortgage thing:

"Mortgage experts say sometimes spouses agree to sign off of a deed, but remain on the mortgage after pressure from a bank, if they have bad or weak credit. Additionally, if Chris Coleman died without a will, under Illinois law, his wife would have had a claim to the house, despite having signed off the deed."

http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/783711.html

I keep thinking about the class they were holding, through their church, at their home, before Sheri was murdered. It was on financial planning. Maybe they learned something that they thought would help them and implemented that.

IMO.
M.

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

I know that we're missing a lot of pieces to this puzzle.

Sheri was an MP in the military. Maybe she thought she could handle an intruder? There was a police officer across the street (allegedly that is who Chris called to do a check on his family that day). Maybe there was a security system in place but whoever murdered this family may have been savvy enough to disable? Okay, that's a stretch. (And I say, 'whoever' because I'm trying to look at that angle at times, even though it is a remote chance, IMO.)

I have never been an MP. I have never had threats against my family in the mailbox. But, we have a security system and three dogs. My little one sleeps right next to us. I'm overly consumed with safety because of cases like this, because of so many home invasions...

IMO.
M.

Yes could be jumping the gun, maybe they did have a dog and though the po across would be of some comfort, I don't think it would of done it for me in that situation. Of course if he did plan this which I believe probably so, he could of talked her out of a security system so he would not have to deal with it.

[Musterion]

That's what I thought. it is a totally different ministry. Thank you

Hi Aame,

It is a different ministry. But, Chris' connection to Joyce Meyer Ministry was through his father, Ron Coleman. I believe that is how Chris secured his job at JMM.

And, Ron Coleman's church and/or radio program have listed as affiliated with, among others, Joyce Meyer Ministries.

http://www.dotheword.com/ in Missions

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Yes could be jumping the gun, maybe they did have a dog and though the po across would be of some comfort, I don't think it would of done it for me in that situation. Of course if he did plan this which I believe probably so, he could of talked her out of a security system so he would not have to deal with it.

I don't think they had a dog, they may have, but maybe Chris lulled her into a false sense of security because of her background and the PO neighbour.

IMO.
M.

[Amy]

I am no fan of lawsuits, in fact the majority of the time I think they are unwarranted, but in this case I don't blame the victim's family one bit. If there were ever a justifable lawsuit, this is certainly it. I don't think Coleman, or his family should be able to profit from this horrific tragedy in anyway.

I think they would also petition to see what all WAS removed from the home. There might be some items of Sheri's and the boys they would want--perhaps things that her family gave them for Christmas or birthdays, some pics they don't have copies of, etc. Keepsake kind of things. Surely there is enough for both families to have something. IMO

[Amy]

Good morning Dwane. Nice to have you on the boards.

Most everything I have read about this case, never quotes Tara Lintz's name as the alledged girlfriend. They just speak of a girlfriend. Now quite a few newspapers have a reader's comment section, and I have read her name in several places there. I have also read that she was a family friend of the Coleman's. Then i read that she was a classmate of Sheri's, but not really friends. So I am not sure how to answer the question.

I do remember reading (either in the St. Louis Post Dispatch, or the Belleville News )that Sheri's mother was NOT aware of the alledged realtionship, but DID know the girl in question and spoke of her as a friend of the family.


Again, welcome to the board!
Get ready for the ride, because this case is going to be a bumpy one!:biggrin:

The cousin who has been on NG has said, as you posted, that the girl is a family friend, as were her parents, or @ least her mother. I also got the impression that Sheri and the woman in question were friends, but not necessarily BFF, and they were in the same school, with Sheri being one year ahead.

All that I have seen posted otherwise, seem to be people jumping to conclusions, such as, whether or not the friendship was still close enough for the woman to visit in the Coleman home.

[Amy]

SNIPPED <"Six days after the murders and about a week before charges were filed, Christopher Coleman's family spent two hours inside the home in Columbia, hauling away a trailer full of belongings. But Sheri Coleman's family has not yet been inside.>"

Link: http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-shericolemanwrongfuldealth-052509,0,7721929.story

This reminds me of when Scott Peterson's parents went into his and Lacy's home and removed a bunch of Lacy and Connors stuff- but this is even worse!

Minimally, they could be destroying evidence that could help solve this case-if they think SOD other then their son did this.

Additionally, the Coleman's have not even contacted Sheri's family???!!! WTH? Shouldn't Sheri's family have a right to pictures of their murdered daughter and their murdered grandsons?

What kind of people are these Coleman's? Isn't the dad some sort of minister????? arggggh:cursing:
bolding mine:

The Petersons took possession of Scott and Laci's home, and the ones who went in and took stuff was Sharon Roche and family and friends because the Petersons kept hedging on giving them anything of Laci's. (By the way, I don't blame Sharon one bit.)

I sure hope the court will be able to help Sheri's family in getting some of the family possessions.

[Amy]

No one can get inside their heads to know why but my feeling on this is that they are behaving this way to protect their son. Love runs deep in some families. Also, their son's lawyer might have told them to keep quiet and not discuss the case, if they were to reach out to Sheri's family there would be lot of questions that they would expect answers to.

Their son didn't have a lawyer when he arrived home to find LE there w/his dead family. He didn't have a lawyer when he contacted (I would assume) HIS family about the tragedy, and one would expect the very next call to be to his MIL, the mother of the woman dead in his home. He didn't have a lawyer, from what I can tell when he was on and off about letting the bodies go to Chicago for a funeral for her side of the family. One would think the grandparents of two little boys would reach out to each other for comfort from the get-go, even before the son retained a lawyer. IMO.

[Amy]

I am sure no one will buy that home anytime soon My dad bought a home and he did not know but a very well known Dr. took his own life in there they never told him that and my dad is still freaking out over it..myself I would not be bothered with it he was a good Dr. and people die everyday in their homes..but in this case I think it will be so much harder with a mother and 2 kids being murdered in the home it will be many years before anyone would buy it..ITA I am sure the neighbors have such a hard time looking at the home knowing how full of life it had just a few weeks ago..:crying:JMO

The Peterson home was sold within a couple of years. I think bought and sold a couple of times, actually. Nicole Simpson's home was bought--but IIRC it was torn down. The Clutter house in Holcomb, KS with 4 members of the family killed still has people living in it.

[janesdeaan]

Nancy Grace is talking about Sheri's murder tonight and had the actual phrases on the tv screen and where they were located in the house. Gloria Allred is also on the show and she said it shows the perp with a close, personal relationship with the victim to use the phrases.

Spray painted on walls of dining room: "f*** you b****" and "punished".

Going upstairs: "wh*re punished or "U are punished"

Kitchen: "I saw you leave, f*** you, I am always watching"

:scared:

"Kitchen: "I saw you leave, f*** you, I am always watching"

This last message spray painted on the kitchen wall sounds pretty lame, as if Coleman is trying to make it sound like "the murderer" saw him leave for the gym and then committed the murders. If that is the case, his overall behavior is pretty transparent, no wonder he was arrested so soon. Between the neighbors saying they heard screaming around 3 am, he leaves for gym at 5:30 am and just over an hour later he is calling police to do a welfare check on his family, it sure doesn't leave much time for someone else to have committed the killings. Not to mention writing all over the walls with spray paint. I think the right person is sitting in jail. This is all so overwhelmingly sad, I don't know how her family will cope with it all.