Phil Spector ~ May 26 To =

[Anakerie]

Good morning everyone... Only a few more days until the sentencing hearing............

I hope everyone had a nice Memorial weekend..

[vonna]

Good morning everyone... Only a few more days until the sentencing hearing............

I hope everyone had a nice Memorial weekend..

Good morning. I can hardly wait. This has seemed like a looong month!

[tartangirl]

I have to admit that I have been thinking about May 29, 2009 ever since the guilty verdict was announced. I imagine that all of the parties involved in this sentencing have been thinking about it also. :mellow:

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[warhorse46]

IMO May 29th will be a good day in the judicial system of California. A dangerous man will be taken off the streets & will start to serve his well deserved sentence for his crime.

[bearwds]

Mort... Just a quick thank you for your response to the appeals process, conviction/sentencing.


bearwds

[FallenAngel♥]

IMO May 29th will be a good day in the judicial system of California. A dangerous man will be taken off the streets & will start to serve his well deserved sentence for his crime.

Amen..and i can't wait to see what he looks like with out his wigs.

[warhorse46]

Amen..and i can't wait to see what he looks like with out his wigs.



I don't think we will get to see a wigless PS until we have access to his booking photo when he is sent to the state intake facility.

[hiitsme]

With Doran Weinberg behind the wheel I am sure Phil Spector will be all suited up and wigged out.:glare:

If allowed I'm sure he will. It will be his last public appearance for a long long time. I hope he's dressed in a uniform befitting the cage he will most likely live in for the rest of his life. Friday will be a good day!

[FallenAngel♥]

I don't think we will get to see a wigless PS until we have access to his booking photo when he is sent to the state intake facility.

well i'll be glad when we get that photo :)

[Ellie]

I'm looking forward to the appeal which will follow. I don't care whether PS has a wig or doesn't, what does it matter really.

Nic

While I agree that it doesn't matter at all if Phil shows up for sentencing with or without a wig, I disagree about the appeal... there is absolutely no basis for an appeal and trying would be a HUGE waste of taxpayer money.

[coinoutlet]

:thumbup:I am entitled to come and post my opinions on this board and have given my reasons about some of the basis for an appeal IMO; perhaps you need to look back and catch up. I have not ignored the evidence and have drawn my own conclusions.

There certainly are grounds for an appeal IMO and I am sure an appeal will follow. I too, am sad for Lana and her family and also for PS and his family. There are no winners in this trial.

There ARE winners. The people of the state of California. They will be rid of the lunitic Harvey! IMO

[barskin&co.]

I'm looking forward to the appeal which will follow. I don't care whether PS has a wig or doesn't, what does it matter really.

Nic

Lordie, it's OVER, Nic. It really is. Will he try for an appeal? Of course he will. They all do. But he has to come up with some sort of reversible judicial error. Allowing the PBA witnesses won't do in that regard. They are allowed in the California coutrooms. So you go right ahead and look forward to the appeal; it's not going to come to anything, IMO.

[barskin&co.]

Just like that petition.

That petition. You mean the one that make refererence to "the Poilce?"

:lol::lol:

[vonna]

I am entitled to come and post my opinions on this board and have given my reasons about some of the basis for an appeal IMO; perhaps you need to look back and catch up. I have not ignored the evidence and have drawn my own conclusions.

There certainly are grounds for an appeal IMO and I am sure an appeal will follow. I too, am sad for Lana and her family and also for PS and his family. There are no winners in this trial.

You're wrong. I am one of the winners. I have seen justice and a man who has been convicted of murder will soon be going to prison for his crime.

[True2Blues]

He is not going to like that one bit. :laugh:

I'm sure he won't, but he'll have to get used to it, because it will be all over the place. I imagine it's not going away either, look at that huge tumbleweed afro picture, it's still out there and used all the time.

[True2Blues]

You're wrong. I am one of the winners. I have seen justice and a man who has been convicted of murder will soon be going to prison for his crime.


Right you are Vonna! Everyone in society is a winner. PS pulled guns on people wherever he was, now he won't be a threat to innocent members of society any longer. He'll be where he belongs.

[True2Blues]

I should have posted "hee, hee" because I'm happy he won't like it. That picture is going to spread like wild fire. :laugh:

It isn't hurting my feelings either, I admit.

[barskin&co.]

Good for you all for feeling like winners, but what about the people in the trial, who I was actually referring to in my post; there are no winners there IMO.

I can't help looking at The Biggest Loser in the trial, Phil Spector, and rightfully so!

[vonna]

Dejavu? I read the holiday thread. Nic99 repeated that more than a few times. She repeats that line when we are celebrating his sentencing. That is her way of respecting our opinion. :thumbdown:

It is sad for the murdered victim, Lana and her family.

And it is a tragedy. It was not enough that Spector killed Lana - but he added insult to injury by evading justice for six years - and there was the added factor of that poor family having to sit through the horrible details of Lana's death through two trials. How can anyone sympathize with the murderer? I see red every time I read of anyone feeling sorry for the man!! I can only feel compassion for Spector's children.

[hiitsme]

How wrong you are; think about it......... PS has the right to an appeal so its certainly far from over for him yet.

Since the chances of a successful appeal are slim to none, I don't think he'll be doing the happy dance while biding his time.

[Ellie]

Just like that petition. They are in need of the police because they are in the witness protection program. They spelled police wrong. Forget any chance of this petition ever freeing anyone. Totally bogus and sick.

http://www.petitiononline.com/Spector/petition.html

Well hi backatcha, Johnnie. Love your new dress. :wink:

This petition and it's author make me laugh. Rachelle never has been good with words, has she......

[Ellie]

but rs will :laugh:

Not necessarily, dear :smile:.... I am willing to bet that good old PS didn't leave much of anything for RS-- I think he spent the bulk of his fortune on his defence (which, as we know, he had to pay for twice. Ahem.) and if there's anything left I hope it goes to Lana's family, specifically her mother.

[Exiled.]

How wrong you are; think about it......... PS has the right to an appeal so its certainly far from over for him yet.

Hi Nic99:

Its always nice to read your point of view. It deserves repeating over and over again.

imo...of course.

[True2Blues]

good point. her gig/job is probably over after sentencing...then it is off to the unemployment office.......

I think she's hoping it's off to the talk show circuit after the sentencing. Hopefully it won't turn out that way.

[True2Blues]

And it is a tragedy. It was not enough that Spector killed Lana - but he added insult to injury by evading justice for six years - and there was the added factor of that poor family having to sit through the horrible details of Lana's death through two trials. How can anyone sympathize with the murderer? I see red every time I read of anyone feeling sorry for the man!! I can only feel compassion for Spector's children.


I'm with you, Vonna. Spector's victims get all of my sympathy, he gets none.

[vonna]

well, then, coming to a dancing bar near you.......

Maybe she and Punkin Pie can dream up some sort of act together.

[Ellie]

He used her and left her dry. She should have known given his history.

I don't believe she qualifies for unemployment. Does she?


She'd have had to have a job and gotten let go from it in the state of CA in order to collect unemployment. You know what I bet? I bet Phil 'gifted' her a bunch of money or somehow made her rich so she'd shelter money for him. Probably told her he'd take care of her financially or give her a free weekly allowance if she kept up a facade for him and let him deposit money somewhere under her name or something. And I bet he left a lot of whatever is left to his dogs. He seems like that kind of person.

[barskin&co.]

How wrong you are; think about it......... PS has the right to an appeal so its certainly far from over for him yet.

Well, you just go along, Nic, and dream your little dreamy dreams. Keep us posted on when he wins his appeal, won't you? The rest of us just go ahead and live the rest of our lives.

[kennedy06]

He used her and left her dry. She should have known given his history.

I don't believe she qualifies for unemployment. Does she?

I doubt it.

Did we know if he had a new assistant that was left unnamed during all this? Who was minding the phones and bills, requests, fan mail... if she was with him in court all day?? I doubt he went home at night and took care of it all.

[True2Blues]

Maybe she and Punkin Pie can dream up some sort of act together.

That is a scary thought! :scared:

[True2Blues]

I doubt it.

Did we know if he had a new assistant that was left unnamed during all this? Who was minding the phones and bills, requests... if she was with him in court all day??


I thought they were ignoring the bills?

[vonna]

That is a scary thought! :scared:

Sorry, True. I didn't realize that until after I posted it.
Good afternoon, CJ.

[barskin&co.]

Hello CJ,

I am sorry if my post has been misinterpreted in the context it was meant. What I was trying to say was that PS had never physically hurt anyone before, or been charged with causing physical hurt, because I was talking about the conviction at hand. I certainly wasn't talking about emotional hurt. As for that, well I know a lot has been said and written about regarding the subject, but I was not referring to that. That was not the point I was trying to get across. Sorry that it has been taken the wrong way. Taken on its own that one sentence can mean hurt emotionally and physically, but read in the context I put it was not meant that way.

As for the ladies that went back; well yes they must have cared a lot for PS, but that is because they must have seen a very caring, worthwhile friend who was certainly worth going back to. One not to be afraid of returning to.

Nic

Good Lord, but you certainly can convince yourself or some galloping nonsense.

[vonna]

Hello CJ,

I am sorry if my post has been misinterpreted in the context it was meant. What I was trying to say was that PS had never physically hurt anyone before, or been charged with causing physical hurt, because I was talking about the conviction at hand. I certainly wasn't talking about emotional hurt. As for that, well I know a lot has been said and written about regarding the subject, but I was not referring to that. That was not the point I was trying to get across. Sorry that it has been taken the wrong way. Taken on its own that one sentence can mean hurt emotionally and physically, but read in the context I put it was not meant that way.

As for the ladies that went back; well yes they must have cared a lot for PS, but that is because they must have seen a very caring, worthwhile friend who was certainly worth going back to. One not to be afraid of returning to.

Nic

They "went back" as you phrased it because of his position in the industry - they had something to gain. They were lucky; Lana was not.

[dref99]

I can hear the talk show jokes now. Jay Leno, Conan, David..etc.

:w00t:

Would have happened if there had been a verdict after trial 1 - hardly a peep from anyone at the end of trial 2 - I really doubt there will be jokes from anywhere - Phil seems to have been well dismissed from the media scene - which is just as well - most murderers disappear after sentencing - they score their 5 minutes (of infamy) and are rarely heard from again.

Everyone on these boards knows there are always people who support such folks - I can understand if they are family, friends or close associates - not sure what the benefit would be for strangers.

It will be interesting to see (or perhaps only read about) who appears at the sentencing - I think there are few "true fans" left, yet some of his children - who had every reason to desert him, have continued to be there - in body or in spirit.

It makes you realise over and over - family are the ones that are always there for you - and it is very sad that this is another thing Phil Spector didn't/doesn't seem to understand.

jmo

[Anakerie]

what fans? last time i looked, there were less than 900 team spector fans. less than 900. there, my friend, is a glimpse of the popularity of PS.
The strange thing about the team Spector fans/friends is that there are soooo many who are using the name of a dead person in order to be a friend of Phil's. Hmm.. maybe strange isn't the word I want... Disturbing works better. Phil Spector is so much of a has-been that he has to use dead people to swell the ranks of his fans...

Back in February of 2003, I would hazard a guess and say that most people who heard the news that day had no clue who Phil Spector was/is. They had the word of the newscasters that he was a music producer and it was later on that the scope of the music he produced became better known by the average joe-blow... He had receded from the public awareness so much that he became a footnote to the majority of the music buying public, especially since he hadn't really put his name to anything of note since the Beatles...

Yep, Phil is a has-been.. A footnote in the history of music. And now he will be another footnote, this time in crime histories.

[vonna]

Makes me think of Gary's signature line Life is short, enjoy what you can and remember your family. You may need them someday.


I can't help but wonder if our opinion of PS would be a little better if he had reconciled with his sons instead of marrying a woman young enough to be his granddaughter..... if he had his sons in court everyday, instead of the trial bride.... it would at least have made me think he was somewhat human instead of the narcissistic monster he is.

I agree with you. As it is - he has absolutely no redeeming virtues in my opinion.

[oodi]

Makes me think of Gary's signature line Life is short, enjoy what you can and remember your family. You may need them someday.


I can't help but wonder if our opinion of PS would be a little better if he had reconciled with his sons instead of marrying a woman young enough to be his granddaughter..... if he had his sons in court everyday, instead of the trial bride.... it would at least have made me think he was somewhat human instead of the narcissistic monster he is.

I've wondered the same thing. I think most of us could probably have a certain amount of respect for almost anyone for being a good parent... regardless of what else they may or may not have done in their lives.

[cherylt]

vonna - I agree with you here. He has no redeemng features now.

My upbringing and education and life experience have left Black&White far behind me.

I wonder when compassion left him. And I have NO doubt he had that at one time in his life.

I wonder when and what crushed to dust any feelings he may have had for others. And I have NO DOUBT that at one time in his life he had feelings.

But now? No, I agree with you, vonna. What is left of Phil Spector is a shell. Only to be pitied, for those Christian enough to pity him.

CJ


Hey CJ!

I was actually thinking about this just the other day. I don't think he really ever had anything to give others. He's hollow inside and looks for ways to fill it and can't. MAYBE sometime in his childhood, his empathy & compassion ground to dust. But if it was ever there, I believe it was early in childhood and gone way more years than he ever had any...

JMO

[oodi]

BTK was by most accounts a wonderful father to his children.

I must disagree with you here - I have NO respect for the BTK Killer.

Hence why I said "almost anyone." LOL

[warhorse46]

I am entitled to come and post my opinions on this board and have given my reasons about some of the basis for an appeal IMO; perhaps you need to look back and catch up. I have not ignored the evidence and have drawn my own conclusions.

There certainly are grounds for an appeal IMO and I am sure an appeal will follow. I too, am sad for Lana and her family and also for PS and his family. There are no winners in this trial.



I think there are winners in this trial, the people in the future that PS would have pulled his gun on & likely harmed or even killed. He has a very long history of pulling guns on people & firing them too.

[warhorse46]

How wrong you are; think about it......... PS has the right to an appeal so its certainly far from over for him yet.


PS has the right to file a motion to appeal if---IF-- some sort of judicial error is found in the last trial. But just filing the motion does not in any way guarantee the higher court will hear it. The higher courts have the authority to deny the motions if they are found not to meet the criteria for hearing. Combing through all those thousands upon thousands of pages of trial transcripts trying to find trial error will take years & years. PS is more likely to die of old age in prison before an appeal motion is filed.

[FallenAngel♥]

Does anyone know if they plan on having a live stream for the sentencing?

[eagleeer]

On me, Dear Friend. But avoid the Chalis with the Palace...

:biggrinjester:

Why, does the Chalis with the Palace have the pellet with the poison? :confused:

[FallenAngel♥]

No word yet, Dear. But we all are still looking around. Maybe KTLA online will cover it.

I sure hope KTLA doesn't let us down.

[oodi]

I sure hope KTLA doesn't let us down.

You and me both!!!

[eagleeer]

The Vessel with the Pestle was broken and replaced with the Chalis with the Palace....uuuhhhh

I think the pellet with the poison was switched to...


Uuuuhhh the plazl with the ploisl...the plessl with the plagonn....

Oh, Heck! TO THE LISTS!!!
:biggrinjester:

The pellet with the poison was switched to the flagon with the dragon in the pestle with the poisle.

Back on topic, The poison is in the mouth of Cindy A.

[Themis]

IMO May 29th will be a good day in the judicial system of California. A dangerous man will be taken off the streets & will start to serve his well deserved sentence for his crime.
Amen to your post.

[Themis]

DREF99: On the Holiday Weekend board you responded to one of posts. With apologies I am just now responding. Since I do not know how to copy(quote) a post from a closed thread I am repeating your post #99 below as it appeared on page 3 and providing a link to it for reference purposes. I know this is an awkward approach and likely will go unread by most but wanted to acknowledge you and to thank you, especially for the link to the Civil Deposition with Shapiro.

05-25-09; 2:44 A.M. * By Dref99

"No worries - it is so easy to do - despite we all now live with computers - they are so exact it sends me crazy - no grey - just black/white.

Sometimes with crime boards we are the same - no in between - I think it is better that people can realise not everyone is perfect. I have no idea why Phil Spector decided to try and prove that Lana had committed suicide, I keep thinking that if he had faced the reality that this time he did pull the trigger (and I don't think he meant to do this - but that does not mean it was not murder) and used his money for counselling and/or retribution rather than lawyers and experts searching for a suicide, he may well have been convicted (or had a plea deal) of manslaughter and served little time.
Thus, unlike some, I am not rejoicing - simply quietly pleased to see a just conviction.

There were some drugs found in urine tests done on Spector samples from when he was arrested & during the civil deposition (against Robert Shapiro) Spector testified in relation to medications he was taking. Details of both are in pdf files here

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/court...enum=BA255233&

Perhaps this is where the idea of the "cocktail of drugs" originated.

jmo"
***********************

Link to Dref99's post:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13136427&postcount=99

Dref99, I especially agree with those specific sentences I bolded in your post. Attorney Shapiro has, or had at one time, quite a reputation for successful negotiations within the LA county criminal departments. Like you, I cannot help but think that if Spector would have/could have finally faced facts and offered, via Shapiro, something to start with he might not be in the position he is in this week. I can quickly come up with something Shapiro could have used as a start, such as:

Spector will voluntarily commit himself to a period of 1 to 2 year residential psychiactric facility, such as the Aurora Las Encinas Hospital.*
Spector will pay all expenses incurred by the family of Lana Clarkson relating to her death. Additonally, Spector will tender to the mother of Lana Clarkson $1 million dollars to use as she wishes. Letter of apology to the Clarkson family acknowledging a terrible accident occurred and that, in part, his long standing mental problems were causal.
Spector will donate $500K to UCLA's Department of Theater in Lana Clarkson's name.
Spector will surrender all firearms in his possession and will never acquire another.

Lest anyone think I approve my own suggestions, let me state I here I do not.
I am only trying to put myself on the other side of the table and come up with something that might have spared Spector being sentenced to prison -- probably for the rest of his life. He even might have received a sentence low enough to spend in a LA county jail. Huge difference between county jails and state prisons.

Evidently neither Shapiro nor Spector's doctors could convince him to accept responsibility for his own actions. Instead, what Spector chose to do was to continue in his egomaniacal way of life. Like you, I am personally pleased Spector IS going to prison. I am displeased that California's taxpayers will pay and pay and pay for his care.


*http://www.lasencinashospital.com/

Thanks again, Dref99. [JMO * Themis]

[kellabeck]

I've wondered the same thing. I think most of us could probably have a certain amount of respect for almost anyone for being a good parent... regardless of what else they may or may not have done in their lives.

On the contrary. How can one respect a man who creates a family largely as props to his cover as a normal, functioning human being and not just as his real avocation as a predator? And then leaves them the legacy of a name he made notorious? And the legacy of wondering how they could have been so fooled, and what else in their lives was all lies?

How is that a "good father"? So I beg to differ.

[vonna]

:w00t::w00t::w00t:

i think phil is innocent

I can think of many words to describe Spector - but innocent isn't one of them! Only two days to go!

[hiitsme]

Happy news via PM today. The petition has been shut.

"due to sabotage this petition is no long accepting signatures".

Of course you mean your own don't you?

Of course it had nothing to do with the fact they kept signing it themselves. Pretended to live in the UK and posing as a male. Potty mouthed bogus entries and using the names of the deceased.

:rolleyes:

Using names of the deceased is about as low as one can go. Is that legal?

I read that filthy, vile paragraph written by the "author" shortly before it was removed. If I had been a legitimate PS supporter and signed that petition, I would have been mortified and disgusted to be a signatory to such trash. I am also appalled, but not surprised that anyone who really does care about PS has not made a statement to denounce the validity of the petition and distance themselves from it.

[oodi]

On the contrary. How can one respect a man who creates a family largely as props to his cover as a normal, functioning human being and not just as his real avocation as a predator? And then leaves them the legacy of a name he made notorious? And the legacy of wondering how they could have been so fooled, and what else in their lives was all lies?

How is that a "good father"? So I beg to differ.

kellabeck,

I agree with you wholeheartedly! I was responding to Why?'s post and speaking in generalities.... and my post certainly does NOT apply to PS.

I have to admit that until this trial, I had been living with "blinders" on. I had thought/assumed that all adopted children were adopted by people who really wanted and loved them. Now that I know differently, I have a new appreciation, and thank God every day that I was adopted by parents that truly wanted and love me... for no other reason than because I am me.

[kennedy06]

I read that filthy, vile paragraph written by the "author" shortly before it was removed. If I had been a legitimate PS supporter and signed that petition, I would have been mortified and disgusted to be a signatory to such trash. I am also appalled, but not surprised that anyone who really does care about PS has not made a statement to denounce the validity of the petition and distance themselves from it.

I took a peek at it one day, to be honest I felt it was a mess. Who would want something like that going out to represent them? Maybe there were good intentions by starting it, as a few names such as his daughters was on it at that time, but I felt it reflected poorly on PS. Then again maybe it was a just representation of his support. They should hope he doesn't see it. It would only be an embarrassment I would think. While there may have been 2 or 3 maybe 4 in the music industry, there were no representations of those that would truly be his "peers". It didn't reflect a call to arms by those with great power in the music industry at least in from his era.

If Ramos and Compean couldn't be freed by the great efforts of so many in the political arena and average Americans (untill the last moment) including myself, if John L. couldn't get a day (which I understood why not) with PS efforts and others, then how could a few unknown names really free a convicted murderer?

[barskin&co.]

How do you know they may not have already. They certainly wouldn't do it on here - I imagine you don't need to ask why.

I think the paragraph was written because of the amount of false people trying to negate the petition and it obviously became very frustrating. Oh well, its only closed for a short time according to the author. A lot of people don't use myspace so I'm sure they could get many more signatories if they tried to use other means as well. There's no harm in a petition and I'm sure the police will be able to track down those who have tried to abuse it via their IPs.

jmo

The police are going to spend their time tracking down "those who have tried to abuse" this silly online petition? Please. Not even the poilce would do that. :lol:

[hiitsme]

[QUOTE=Snooky.;13142980]How do you know they may not have already. They certainly wouldn't do it on here - I imagine you don't need to ask why.

I think the paragraph was written because of the amount of false people trying to negate the petition and it obviously became very frustrating. Oh well, its only closed for a short time according to the author. A lot of people don't use myspace so I'm sure they could get many more signatories if they tried to use other means as well. There's no harm in a petition and I'm sure the police will be able to track down those who have tried to abuse it via their IPs.

Petitions are fine but even the professional ones I've seen or even signed are not particulary effective. You can't be serious about the police getting involved in this one! The author has accepted the signatures of dead people and others who, for those who have any common sense, know they are just plain nonsense or fictitious. I know you are a Spector fan but you cannot possibly think that anyone would take this petition seriously. Character witnesses might help but I'd bet those are few and far between. MOO

[kennedy06]

Maybe because myspace is ran out of CA and the petitioner is out of England from what I understand, maybe this is a case for INTERPOL!

This is the problem you see on the old Esquire interview of 99, IIRC PS made a comment (paraphrasing) that he isn't happy unless he is unhappy. Its still on there if anyone cares to search it out. So if you try to please him, you may actually be using reverse psychology on him and in the end upsetting him IMO.

I think it would hurt him more to see who ISN'T supporting him IMO. I'm just a bystander but that is how I see it.

I have no problem with differing opinions on any of this but....if people really care about him, help him move on and change not stay in the same rut and thought process that ended him in this situation to begin with. IMO on PS.

JMO

[kennedy06]

It just seems to me if as you mention SNooky this person is on the witness protection program, then maybe they should not be on the internet because the people that are after them could discover them and do that search IP you mentioned to them and find them. Why would anyone want to involve PS in all that with all the problems he already has?

Here Phil look at this petition, but shhh the petitioner is in the witness protection program....what is phil to think, Henry Hill started it for him??

I think I just might think PS deserves better then his own supporter do and I'm not a PS supporter (but I like his music!) but he is guilty.

JMO

[vonna]

In answer to your first part, how do you know that it was closed because many people complained, what information are you privy to?

Yes there are some false names on there and I think that is one reason it has been closed down, so that this can be rectified and updated correctly. The other reason being because of all the people who are trying to get their false signatures on. I imagine it takes time to work through all the genuine entries and that is what is stated is happening to housekeep the petition. This is stated by the author in her words.

You are talking about the American police when you say they won't look into it, but that does not mean the British police won't look into it. When someone is in a witness protection programme, I think this may well happen and can happen easily. Doesn't take much time.

I don't know if the petition will help, but it can't do any harm either, especially if it gains as much interest as it has here on these boards.

jmo

There is one very positive result of the petition. It is giving me a good belly laugh - and that can't be all bad.

[barskin&co.]

In answer to your first part, how do you know that it was closed because many people complained, what information are you privy to?

Yes there are some false names on there and I think that is one reason it has been closed down, so that this can be rectified and updated correctly. The other reason being because of all the people who are trying to get their false signatures on. I imagine it takes time to work through all the genuine entries and that is what is stated is happening to housekeep the petition. This is stated by the author in her words.

You are talking about the American police when you say they won't look into it, but that does not mean the British police won't look into it. When someone is in a witness protection programme, I think this may well happen and can happen easily. Doesn't take much time.

I don't know if the petition will help, but it can't do any harm either, especially if it gains as much interest as it has here on these boards.

jmo

Snooky, I have just one word for you: decaffeinated.

[vonna]

It just seems to me if as you mention SNooky this person is on the witness protection program in England (I didn't know they had one) then maybe they should not be on the internet because the people that are after them could discover them and do that search IP you mentioned to them and find them. Why would anyone want to involve PS in all that with all the problems he already has?

Here Phil look at this petiotion, but shhh the petitioner is in the witness program....what is phil to think Henry Hill started it form him??

Or maybe Henry Higgins?

[barskin&co.]

You're right, Snooky. We are getting off track here. On friday, PS will be sentenced to the prison term he has so richly deserved for the past six long years. That is what we should be focused on.

Justice for Lana. :rose:

[barskin&co.]

Dear barskin&co, may I disagree here? I don't think we are getting "off track". There is really nothing to track right now. I don't need to focus on Friday - Friday will come, whether some want it to or not. :biggrin:

Please note that I do not mean to be disrespectful to you.

No disrespect taken, CJ. Being one of the "some who do," I just wanted to luxuriate in those good thoughts. :thumbup:

[barskin&co.]

Maybe the system is different in the UK, who knows. That's why I asked really.

"Maybe the system is different in the UK?" Oh, sure...maybe they suspend all sense and logic in the UK, but I doubt it.

[Details]

Look at Mummia - an international effort, petitions galore, letters, protests, etc. No effect. Justice is not up for a vote, to let someone go just because a bunch of people ask for that. There has to be an actual reason - if there is, one person behind it is enough. Without a reason, a billion petition signers get nowhere.

Doesn't really matter - people do what they like to feel better. But it's never going to change anything, not without an actual appealable issue - an error by the judge that would change the outcome of the trial if reversed.

Sentencing is an anticlimax for me - interesting to hear what someone might say - but because of the crime he's charged with and his age, it's basicly LWOP or near enough for me.

[barskin&co.]

What exactly are you saying here. It sounds like you are saying that I am in the witness protection programme an all????? What do you mean 'my best bet for a proper petition'. You do not have the right to accuse me of something you know nothing about.

Oh, gosh, no, Snooky. I don't think anyone is saying that you are "in the witness protection programme an all." Rest easy.

[hiitsme]

Right with you. Bogus is their story and so is their location. I figured that out less then two minutes. They aren't do a very good job at hiding who they really are either. Sounds like a female who is in need of help and not from the police. Their adoration of Phil has gone to a new level that will most likely get them in real hot water.

OMO

You hit the head on the nail with a "bogus location". The UK was selected to set the tone, garner interest, selflessly by the Author, a British Spector fan, who is under the Witness Protection Program ??? I'm surprised that James Bond and "The Genius" ( remember him) didn't sign the petition. Who knows, Scotland Yard may be involved by now! Such intrigue!

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Will Judge Fidler sentence convicted murderer Phil Spector according to the prosecution's suggestions?

Will convicted murderer Phil Spector be sentenced above and beyond the prosecution's suggestions?

Will any live, flesh and blood people sign a ridiculous online petition to "free" convicted murderer Phil Spector?

[barskin&co.]

I am afraid you don't know the full story Barskin, but I have been made aware shall I say and I know exactly where Lifeisgrand as they are today is going with this one and has been with this one previously.

Ooookay...thanks. That clears everything up. :laugh:

[barskin&co.]

You hit the head on the nail with a "bogus location". The UK was selected to set the tone, garner interest, selflessly by the Author, a British Spector fan, who is under the Witness Protection Program ??? I'm surprised that James Bond and "The Genius" ( remember him) didn't sign the petition. Who knows, Scotland Yard may be involved by now! Such intrigue!

Elementary, my dear Watson!

[penguin01]

That petition. You mean the one that make refererence to "the Poilce?"

:lol::lol: The one they're singing?

[kennedy06]

Will Judge Fidler sentence convicted murderer Phil Spector according to the prosecution's suggestions?

Will convicted murderer Phil Spector be sentenced above and beyond the prosecution's suggestions?

Will any live, flesh and blood people sign a ridiculous online petition to "free" convicted murderer Phil Spector?

We have no idea what JF thought of PS as he watched him sit before him all that time. Did he chuckle about the MRS. or could her actions actually come to be subconsiously reflected in PS sentence, add a year or two for your lovely wifes actions and you can serve it? Probably not, but will PS ever know for sure? IMO

It would be interesting to know what kind of reputation JF has when it comes to sentencing. Has he sentenced any older convicted murders before was he on the lighter side or....

(I hope I'm correct the judge sets the sentence with standard rules in place?)

[barskin&co.]

We have no idea what JF thought of PS as he watched him sit before him all that time. Did he chuckle about the MRS. or did could her antics actually come to be subconsiously reflected in PS sentence, add a year for your lovely wife and you can serve it? Probably not, but it would be interesting to know what kind of reputation he has when it comes to sentencing. Has he sentenced any older convicted murders before was he on the lighter side or....

(I hope I'm correct the judge sets the sentence with standard rules in place?)

I feel Judge Fidler will do the right thing. The guidelines call for 15 years to life, plus the enhancement for the use of a fire arm. I think Judge F will make these sentences consecutive, in light of Spector's very long, reckless history of gun threats.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

snipped with respect

So I ask AGAIN, why in the world would ANYONE in a WPP blab to the Internet that they are in "The Program"?

Except that they are truley witless.

Ah yes... the Witless Protection Program.

Many are in need of such a program. Without it... they go along unprotected. :shrug:

[cherylt]

No disrespect taken, CJ. Being one of the "some who do," I just wanted to luxuriate in those good thoughts. :thumbup:


Ah, me too! Less than 2 days now... :)
Does anyone know if someone will be there recording it live or at least to play back later? It's probably doubtful since they didn't even show us closings (except a little snippet here & there) but I just thought I'd ask....

CJ - I have my shirt ready!!! :)

[hiitsme]

The UK does not have the witness protection program is why.

1 Witness protection by country
1.1 Canada
1.2 New Zealand
1.3 Republic of China (Taiwan)
1.4 Switzerland
1.5 United States

Thanks for that LifeisGrand. That should basically answer any question as to the validity of the petition and identity of its author. It was fun while it lasted!

[Jayne]

Wrong, here is an example:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/content/articles/2007/10/23/yorkslincs_witness_s12_p6_feature.shtml

What an interesting article...makes one wonder who is Really "in prison"?

Some price freedom..both the perp and witness end up imprisoned...only one will never ever get parole or ever a "Pardon"...scarey, imo.

[vonna]

I am afraid you don't know the full story Barskin, but I have been made aware shall I say and I know exactly where Lifeisgrand as they are today is going with this one and has been with this one previously.

Eh what??????

[vonna]

Wrong, here is an example:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/content/articles/2007/10/23/yorkslincs_witness_s12_p6_feature.shtml

Perhaps they'd be better off devoting their time and effort to mental health programs.

[hiitsme]

:biggrin: Like you? :biggrin:

Hmmm. As the worm turns! Is there an author among us?

[hiitsme]

I found our witness!!!!
He will be speaking on behalf of Phil Spector next Friday.
What a guy!:laugh::lol:
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/nielsendeedee/BagOverHead.gif

JMO

You must have heard our roars! A great way to wind down a very funny day!

[tartangirl]

DW wants the gun charge trimmed to 3 years....:ohmy:


~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana



http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-05-27-spector_N.htm

[Details]

DW wants the gun charge trimmed to 3 years....:ohmy:...Hmm - trimmed down because of why? Because he's got so few guns? Because this is the first time anyone has said he used a gun irresponsibly? Because it was an accident? Nope - none of those can apply - there's no good cause to reduce the gun charge. Spector has a ton of guns, a long history of irresponsibility with them, and sticking a gun in someone's mouth is never an accident.


I still cannot believe that Doron is a real name - first time I read his full name, I thought someone was violating TOS against nasty nicknames.

[vonna]

Hmm - trimmed down because of why? Because he's got so few guns? Because this is the first time anyone has said he used a gun irresponsibly? Because it was an accident? Nope - none of those can apply - there's no good cause to reduce the gun charge. Spector has a ton of guns, a long history of irresponsibility with them, and sticking a gun in someone's mouth is never an accident.


I still cannot believe that Doron is a real name - first time I read his full name, I thought someone was violating TOS against nasty nicknames.

I think someone mistook an M for a D.

[Anakerie]

DW wants the gun charge trimmed to 3 years....:ohmy:


~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana



http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-05-27-spector_N.htm
And of course, Phil Spector is denying he did anything wrong... :rolleyes:

At least Weinberg isn't going to try arguing against the mandatory 15 years to life for murder 2... He just wants a year taken off what AJ recommended... 18 or 19 years to life... Either way, I think the odds of Phil Spector getting out of prison are pretty slim...

Sorry to GPS and Claudius.. I can only hope that your father softens some and will accept visits from you guys...

[tartangirl]

Hmm - trimmed down because of why? Because he's got so few guns? Because this is the first time anyone has said he used a gun irresponsibly? Because it was an accident? Nope - none of those can apply - there's no good cause to reduce the gun charge. Spector has a ton of guns, a long history of irresponsibility with them, and sticking a gun in someone's mouth is never an accident.


I still cannot believe that Doron is a real name - first time I read his full name, I thought someone was violating TOS against nasty nicknames.

We knew he was going to file something. This is just ridiculous! No reduction is warranted, I would go for the maximum...but that is just me! 10 years..sounds good!

I heard someone pronounce his first name with the emphasis on the second syllable. Still ....no likee!:wink:

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[barskin&co.]

DW wants the gun charge trimmed to 3 years....:ohmy:


~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana



http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-05-27-spector_N.htm

"Spector still maintains he didn't shoot" Lana.

From page 4 out of 5 of the statement by Officer Beatrice Rodriguez on the scene on February 3, 2003:

I then proceded to clear the lower level of the west wing of the residence. As I proceded to do so, I heard Spector yelling, "What's wrong with you guys? What are you doing?" As I continued with my search, again I heard Spector yell, "I didn't mean to shoot her. It was an accident." "I have an explanation for this."

From the document entitled:

Post arrest statements attached to Notice of motion and motion to exclude post-arest statements of defendant; memorandum of points and authorities
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=People+vs.+Phillip+Spect or&casenum=BA255233&date=2008-11-03%2009:48:13

[barskin&co.]

Now, now...let's not forget the soft cuddly side of PS. The kind who would send playful greeting cards to his friends....

The Smoking Gun Remembers (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0626072spector1.html)

[True2Blues]

DW wants the gun charge trimmed to 3 years....:ohmy:


~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana



http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-05-27-spector_N.htm


Thanks TG. Personally, I've been hoping the Judge would give him the maximum on the gun.

[True2Blues]

Now, now...let's not forget the soft cuddly side of PS. The kind who would send playful greeting cards to his friends....

The Smoking Gun Remembers (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0626072spector1.html)

They'll probably be on Ebay soon. Murder-obelia is very popular. Sick and disgusting, but popular.

[Anakerie]

I'm sure both A.J. and Truc Do will be there... I don't remember ever seeing a sentencing hearing where the prosecutors weren't there... If they give us a camera in that courtroom, we'll be able to see A.J. and Truc Do put the finishing touches on this long, long case.

And, hopefully get a glimpse of Phil when the sentence is handed down.

[vonna]

I think AJ will be the star at the sentencing. I only hope we get to see him in action again.

[barskin&co.]

I can't believe he won't be there.

[True2Blues]

I'm sure both A.J. and Truc Do will be there... I don't remember ever seeing a sentencing hearing where the prosecutors weren't there... If they give us a camera in that courtroom, we'll be able to see A.J. and Truc Do put the finishing touches on this long, long case.

And, hopefully get a glimpse of Phil when the sentence is handed down.

I want to see his face when he gets sentenced. Since he's been in jail for a while I assume he won't be as drugged up as he was during the trial.

[barskin&co.]

Hey guys, I heard from dref99 who wanted us to know that a sentence from a gun enhancement conviction has to be consecutive with the other sentence; it is mandatory! Yesssss! Looks like 19 years to life for Harvey, unless Judge Fidler thinks this guy with a long history of threatening people with guns and a prior conviction deserves to have time trimmed from the enhancement sentence (and I don't think he will, do you?).

[barskin&co.]

Yepper. In California Gun Enhancement is always consecutive. :thumbsup:

Well, then, let the fun begin. Let's hear how Weinberg is going to try to convince Judge Fidler to reduce the years on the enhancement charge.
What argument can he possibly make that won't seem absurd in the face of Spector's long history, and the fact that he shot a poor innocent woman to death in such a stupid senseless manner.

[vonna]

Well, then, let the fun begin. Let's hear how Weinberg is going to try to convince Judge Fidler to reduce the years on the enhancement charge.
What argument can he possibly make that won't seem absurd in the face of Spector's long history, and the fact that he shot a poor innocent woman to death in such a stupid senseless manner.

It's going to require a lot of creativity on his part and won't be easy.

[True2Blues]

Well, then, let the fun begin. Let's hear how Weinberg is going to try to convince Judge Fidler to reduce the years on the enhancement charge.
What argument can he possibly make that won't seem absurd in the face of Spector's long history, and the fact that he shot a poor innocent woman to death in such a stupid senseless manner.

If absurd argument didn't bother him during the trial (and obviously it didn't), it won't bother him during the sentencing either.

[barskin&co.]

If absurd argument didn't bother him during the trial (and obviously it didn't), it won't bother him during the sentencing either.

Can't argue that! :lol:

[True2Blues]

Can't argue that! :lol:

:biggrin: One year, that's the difference he's arguing for (I realize it's the minimum). I know a year is a year, but I honestly wonder if PS isn't insisting it be done just because he can't stand the idea of not getting his way on something.

[vonna]

:biggrin: One year, that's the difference he's arguing for (I realize it's the minimum). I know a year is a year, but I honestly wonder if PS isn't insisting it be done just because he can't stand the idea of not getting his way on something.

And you think he'll get his way on this? I don't think so but we don't have long to wait to find out.

[barskin&co.]

And you think he'll get his way on this? I don't think so but we don't have long to wait to find out.

I do not believe for one minute that DW will win his argument.

[vonna]

I do not believe for one minute that DW will win his argument.

Neither do I.

[True2Blues]

And you think he'll get his way on this? I don't think so but we don't have long to wait to find out.

Nope! But I don't think it will keep him from trying, he seems to have had a problem about getting his way all his life. Personally, I'd like to see the Judge give him the maximum.

[kennedy06]

Lucky, lucky Jayne - she'll be there

:biggrinjester: :biggrinjester:

She will! Way to go Jayne, look forward to your write ups about it. Do we know if anyone else will be there?

[True2Blues]

{bolding mine} Then PS is in for a very RUDE awakening in prison.

Yes. It's a comforting thought, isn't it?

[Exiled.]

She will! Way to go Jayne, look forward to your write ups about it. Do we know if anyone else will be there?



When is it? Friday? Do you know what time it starts? I would love to meet sweet Jayne.

[dref99]

Hey guys, I heard from dref99 who wanted us to know that a sentence from a gun enhancement conviction has to be consecutive with the other sentence; it is mandatory! Yesssss! Looks like 19 years to life for Harvey, unless Judge Fidler thinks this guy with a long history of threatening people with guns and a prior conviction deserves to have time trimmed from the enhancement sentence (and I don't think he will, do you?).

Thanks for the post. I had written a long post & then my computer imploded - grrrr - so I just sent a quick note to barskin.

I'm not sure that it really matters whether it be 3 years or 4 - unless PS has been lying about his health for the past 6 years - 18 years would surely be a death in custody. I haven't noticed whether he has a family history of living to the 90s ??

But I think JF will go with the 4 years - and Phil should be thankful that it is not 10. Doubt that Weinberg had much choice as to what to write - given Phil still says he is innocent.

jmo

[dref99]

She will! Way to go Jayne, look forward to your write ups about it. Do we know if anyone else will be there?

Could be interesting to see who turns up on the other side! I wonder if there will be a crowd - or no-one. Will the media take all the seats - will it be another "take a number" to get a seat or has Phil been forgotten already?

Take lots of notes for everyone Jayne - amazing that we are all still here posting at the end of 2 trials.

jmo

[bearwds]

{bolding mine} Then PS is in for a very RUDE awakening in prison.

**********************************

I suspect that he will start off just like OJ and start passing out candy bars and cup-of-soup.

Not quite the street cred that you would find on the usual yard.


bearwds

[bearwds]

Could be interesting to see who turns up on the other side! I wonder if there will be a crowd - or no-one. Will the media take all the seats - will it be another "take a number" to get a seat or has Phil been forgotten already?

Take lots of notes for everyone Jayne - amazing that we are all still here posting at the end of 2 trials.

jmo

*******************************

Hiya dref..... It is remarkable that we're still here after all this time.

Something about this case hit me. I had to see it through to the end.

Maybe it was the short life that was snuffed out by somebody she trusted.

That can't be all though. How many murders have taken place in the last few years, and I have not followed..??

Something about this case.


bearwds

[tartangirl]

This article by the reporter with her usual pro celebrity Spector slant seems a bit tired at this point in the procedure. Words from DW also said in the court document that an account of Clarkson's death provided by Alan Jackson in a memorandum last week was "based on conjecture, not facts." Well, from his point of view of course they are. Same old, same old...ready for tomorrow?

It will be an important day for all involved in this long, long case. My thoughts are with the Clarkson family. I hope somehow they can find some peace.

~ as always, my opining, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana



http://www.mercurynews.com/celebrities/ci_12467244?nclick_check=1

[vonna]

i can see phil now........ with his orange jumpsuit, his yarmulke with dental floss dreadlocks tied to it.

Quite a visual any time of day - but especially frightening in the early morning!

[warhorse46]

One more day until justice is completed in the California criminal justice system! I sincerely hope that tomorrow will be the first page to a new, happier chapter in the Clarkson family lives. And that tomorrow will be the first page to a reality check in the life of PS. No more wigs, no more edwardian clothing, no more platform shoes, no more Castle, no more people @ his beck & call, no more evenings of fine dinning, drinking & romance. He will have to live a life in his true skin now.

[barskin&co.]

This article by the reporter with her usual pro celebrity Spector slant seems a bit tired at this point in the procedure. Words from DW also said in the court document that an account of Clarkson's death provided by Alan Jackson in a memorandum last week was "based on conjecture, not facts." Well, from his point of view of course they are. Same old, same old...ready for tomorrow?

It will be an important day for all involved in this long, long case. My thoughts are with the Clarkson family. I hope somehow they can find some peace.

~ as always, my opining, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana



http://www.mercurynews.com/celebrities/ci_12467244?nclick_check=1

It's such a horrible thing to treat this as a "celebrity story," isn't it? This is the story of a murder, plain and simple. This is about the senseless and brutal killing of an innocent woman.

[vonna]

One more day until justice is completed in the California criminal justice system! I sincerely hope that tomorrow will be the first page to a new, happier chapter in the Clarkson family lives. And that tomorrow will be the first page to a reality check in the life of PS. No more wigs, no more edwardian clothing, no more platform shoes, no more Castle, no more people @ his beck & call, no more evenings of fine dinning, drinking & romance. He will have to live a life in his true skin now.

Amen!! Very well said.

[vonna]

Good one. :lol:

Can't help but wonder what it's like for Spector adjusting to living in the real world.

[Details]

Spector is just another bully. He bullied people over and over with his gun, the police took his side, ignored the reports, and he finally went too far. Fascinating to see him defended by someone who describes being the victim of a such a similar bully.

[FallenAngel♥]

Does anyone have any idea if it will be on tv or live stream tomorrow?

[vonna]

Tomorrow PS becomes a number.

Yes, and it's a shame it didn't happen years ago.

[Details]

If his actions had had consequences, all those years and decades ago, he might have gotten a short prison sentence that would have stopped this whole thing! Taught him that pointing guns at girls while drunk was a bad thing that got him arrested, rather than a neutral thing that the cops would ignore if you talked to them a bit.

Some people can change on their own, for others, they need some motivation. But instead Spector learned through the years that he could get away with pretty nearly anything. That's how this happened.

[warhorse46]

Yes, and it's a shame it didn't happen years ago.


I agree. Had PS been imprisoned years ago for gun crimes & his access to guns removed Lana would likely still be alive today.

[barskin&co.]

Couldn't agree with you more. He got away with so much. He paid the police is off is why, imo.

:cursing:

Remember what he screamed at the officers who arrived at his house the morning of the murder? "The Chief of Police worked for me. You want me to call him. I'll call him."

see page 6 of 16

http://lascftp.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/2iyi3ena0sjbxr55vhjpec55/1171875130.pdf

[Anakerie]

HeII, I am 67 and I didn't know who he was until the first trial.
I knew who he was before the 1st trial.. But that is only because I googled his name when I first heard about the shooting back in February of 2003.... :tonguewag:

I will admit that his name was faintly familiar... Like I had heard it or saw it mentioned somewhere long, long ago, which is why I initially googled him back in 2003... :shrug:

[lizzard]

Sometimes I think the people in the funny institutions are protected from us.

How come we're not protected from them :sneaky:

[hiitsme]

i need to check the breaking news thread.... i think there was an escape today.........

You are priceless! I think this is a record for tears of laughter this week!:laugh:

[barskin&co.]

She has not quoted 'personal' information, she was stating what is already out there in the public domain. Anyone can access those case details, it is not private information, so she has said nothing that is private. She knows exactly what she is saying and how much she is saying IMO.

I would imagine the reason she posted here was perfectly clear if you read back over the constant inaccuracies regarding a WPP programme not in the UK. Although even with a link, detailing a case here, people still did not believe it was the case so....... Look at poster's comments regarding the petition, I believe her reasons are perfectly clear for posting. She did not say the threats came from this board, just that she wanted them to stop and didn't like the fact that posters on here found it funny. I agree with her on that one.

She is stating 'facts', not made-up accounts of what you have read by someone else. These are her own experiences. I welcome her to this board and hope she continues to post and I am sure she would have a lot to offer to the discussion on this board. We could learn a lot from her imo.

Oh, Nic. This is reminds me so much of what I said to George Clooney when we woke up in bed together this morning. I said, "George, my big ol' lovin' non-gun owning man, I never know how sure I can be about the truth of what somebody tells me from the anonymity of an Internet message board."

[barskin&co.]

{BELLS SHAKING WITH LAUGHTER}

OMG! Doubled over and Laughed Out Loud.

I will miss this board after tomorrow. But enough of sad thoughts...

For the next 24 hours, we, together, can wipe the laughter tears away .

Oh, I didn't know you were that new. I've only used that same bit about 5 gazillion times. But it makes the point. On an Internet message board with a made up nick, you can be anybody. You can be second in line to the Throne of England. As a matter of fact, I am.

[cherylt]

Be still my Bells.... Lordy!

You better watch it, Girl. I am the Chief of Poilce and can throw you in the dungeon for false claims. Because.....well....I AM THE JESTER.

And that is no false claim :biggrinjester:


Yo, Jester!

What up w/ this thread? Seems to be all over the place. Anyway, ready for tomorrow. I think I hear your bells starting to shake, sort of like a snare drum, leading up to big event....

OK - any word on if there will be any video coverage? (I'll keep my fingers crossed...)

:seeya:

[lizzard]

Cause you and Vonna are on the loose. :laugh::laugh:

Gonna call the poilce on you!

[barskin&co.]

With all this jocularity, let's remember, what is important is that justice is being done, tomorrow. A man who thought it was okay to bully people, especially women who were alone with him, and threaten them with with guns, who had done so for decades, who believed the "Chief of Police worked for" him, shot an innocent woman to death, then remorselessly went along his merry way for 6 long years, slandering his victim without shame. And tomorrow, he finally faces the consequences.

As many others have said, he should have suffered consequences long ago. Lana should not have had to die like that.


Justice for Lana. At long last.:rose:

[cherylt]

Yeah. The "woodwork is a-shakin" for sure. Not sure what happened while I slept, but "they" seemed to have crawled out in droves.

Actually, there is nothing new - except several here seem to think that KTLA on-line will cover the sentencing. I certainly hope so.

You, me and vonna will be wearing our "WOO-HOO, Murder 2" t-shirts. Too bad some of our friends didn't want one. If I may say so - they are quite classy :biggrinjester:

Our Jayne will be there - waiting for her post afterwards.


Yes, there are very classy. You should have seen my hubby's face! lol - I don't care if he doesn't get it.. :)

Well, I guess all we can do is hope & keep checking sites like KTLA. But I'm pretty sure sprocket as least will give us the report on her site at least. And that is way better than nothing!

And to Barskin - very well said. :rose: for Lana and SIX years too long!

[vonna]

HeII, I am 67 and I didn't know who he was until the first trial.

Neither did and I and I have lived even longer than you.

[lizzard]

Yeah. The "woodwork is a-shakin" for sure. Not sure what happened while I slept, but "they" seemed to have crawled out in droves.

Actually, there is nothing new - except several here seem to think that KTLA on-line will cover the sentencing. I certainly hope so.

You, me and vonna will be wearing our "WOO-HOO, Murder 2" t-shirts. Too bad some of our friends didn't want one. If I may say so - they are quite classy :biggrinjester:

Our Jayne will be there - waiting for her post afterwards.

I just popped in to see what was going on, got caught right back up in the enthusiasm!
Forgive the question, I've been waayyy out of the loop, will Sprocket be covering?

[True2Blues]

sort of wish Rachelle would get a slap down for her duplicity in this ordeal........

That would be an extra added bonus. He put it off until the last date offered, but the sentencing is going to happen anyway. :biggrin:

By the way, was this person who was strangled for 7 hours attacked by PS, is it a new victim come to light? (there wouldn't be a reason to discuss it here otherwise, would there?) I was gone for a while and see the discussion has shifted.

[hiitsme]

Amen to that. We have to remember this while we are being entertained on this thread.

Justice for Lana...:rose:

I hope her family gets to say their peace tomorrow. We already know Phil is still in denial and has no remorse so somehow I doubt he'll say anything.

IMONice reminder from you and Barskin as to why we are here. I will say that this group, for lack of a better word, has taken this trial very seriously and discussed the facts as well as the fiction with thought and open minds. The entertainment, so to speak, was mostly and appropriately dealt with via PM's. How many of us would still be here if this were a classroom atmosphere? Where are we headed next?

[cherylt]

I just popped in to see what was going on, got caught right back up in the enthusiasm!
Forgive the question, I've been waayyy out of the loop, will Sprocket be covering?


She said she would from what I read of all the verdict info. So I'm sure she will keep her word....

[barskin&co.]

I can assure you, the great majority of us have never lost track of the reason we are here - and have stayed here for 6 years.

Lana's death was tragic - her LIFE wasn't. I choose to celebrate her life and humor rather than concentrate on her end.

But I am with you about justice, have always been - regardless of my humor. And don't forget..there is still the Civil Suit.

CJ

And she had a life to be celebrated. She had family and many people who loved her. And she achieved what very few people could; she was a working actor. Only physical injury kept her from being totally self supporting as an acting professional. In that field, only a the tiniest per centage of people get to be the Angelina Jolies. The lucky ones are the ones who have a steady career. The ones who work. Lana was one of the lucky ones, though she worked hard to be lucky. And look, she kept working, even if it was a hostess job to get her by until her healing allowed her to resume her normal career, which she was already was on her way to doing.

It makes me sick to hear people slur her name just in the pursuit of defending the little bully at all costs.

[True2Blues]

And she had a life to be celebrated. She had family and many people who loved her. And she achieved what very few people could; she was a working actor. Only physical injury kept her from being totally self supporting as an acting professional. In that field, only a the tiniest per centage of people get to be the Angelina Jolies. The lucky ones are the ones who have a steady career. The ones who work. Lana was one of the lucky ones, though she worked hard to be lucky. And look, she kept working, even if it was a hostess job to get her by until her healing allowed her to resume her normal career, which she was already was on her way to doing.

It makes me sick to hear people slur her name just in the pursuit of defending the little bully at all costs.


I agree, but it reflects more on them than it does on Lana.

[lizzard]

She said she would from what I read of all the verdict info. So I'm sure she will keep her word....

Thank you much!

[kennedy06]

Yepper. I believe the first threads were started shortly after the-night-of-horror. The threads did not become a "permanent fixture" until shortly before the first trial. And they have remained ever since.

Ohhh, ok so some of this dedication to PS started long before the 1st trial. This explains a lot to me, so who was new wasn't probably new at all, ok.:cursing::rolleyes:

[Details]

And she had a life to be celebrated. She had family and many people who loved her. And she achieved what very few people could; she was a working actor. Only physical injury kept her from being totally self supporting as an acting professional. In that field, only a the tiniest per centage of people get to be the Angelina Jolies. The lucky ones are the ones who have a steady career. The ones who work. Lana was one of the lucky ones, though she worked hard to be lucky. And look, she kept working, even if it was a hostess job to get her by until her healing allowed her to resume her normal career, which she was already was on her way to doing.

It makes me sick to hear people slur her name just in the pursuit of defending the little bully at all costs.It was pretty incredible - I know some people who have tried the acting route - you have to be persistent, you have to be good, you have to be able to take rejection after rejection and keep going strong - and she did it, she was a very rare creature - a working actor. Amazon Women on the Moon - huge props for that - that was a big one. I too think she'd have managed a good career after this time out for injury. She was sure on her way - a perfect job with lots of connections, a good demo tape, and a good working history.


In the early 60's - I wasn't even concieved! Wonder how a 25 year old even hears of this guy - I'm coming up on 40, and had never heard of him.

Oh, and Barskin - I don't give much credit to you for being second in line to the throne - since I'm first in line. Yes indeed, I'm actually Prince Harry (that's the right one, right?) ;)

[vonna]

No, True...I think it is just a Phil Phan!

Or maybe a Phil Pill???

[kennedy06]

I don't know who would know this but PS didn't have a fan club before all this did he???

I seen Lana's site, it was back up and running not to long ago (restored) she had many fans, she answered them so nicely.

JMO

[vonna]

How is it possible to strangle someone for 7 hours? It isn't. They wouldn't be here.

:confused:

OMO

I think anything is possible to those who buy the Lana suicide theory.

[Anakerie]

For shame, you two! Where the heII were you in the early 60's? Spector was and still is a very famous name in the Music Industry.

Of course now, he will be "Infamous" in the annals of Murderer's Row.

What a waste for all concerned. What a needless tragedy.

Justice has prevailed, in spite of money (this time).

CJ
The thing is, most of the world knows virtually nothing about the music industry. We buy the recordings we like, we buy things by the artists we like. Phil Spector wasn't ever a household name... He was in a couple groups way back when, but he was mostly a producer and if you're not in the music industry, the feeling would be "who cares who the producer is?", you just buy the artist or song you like.

[kennedy06]

BINGO

PS had his PR "team" in full swing right after he got arrested.

"Support Me...Love Me..." went out all over the internet to his "fans" beginning in 2003.

:ohmy:

Was this Team S. new or was that around also?

[Anakerie]

That's exactly what I have thought for years! When I heard " legendary Phil Spector" I said "Who?"! I never ever thought about who published a record that I like or bought! I just wanted to hear the song and the artist who sang it!
Underlined part: Same here... Sadly my all time favorite song has been tainted by my knowledge now of Phil Spector's hand on it... But I still love the song and I still love listening to The Righteous Brothers Unchained Melody (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-idDbIfGvw).

And the other one I love from them, Ebb Tide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGPcDiiFhRs&feature=PlayList&p=5227C1ADE9D813F6&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=48), was also heavily touched by PS... **sigh** I was lucky enough to see them perform live back in 1966... ****Swoon****

lol

[Details]

No, no, no.....Prince Harry is 3nd In Line. William is 2nd and Charles is 1st.

And I am William! (Or Charles)

Sorry for deceiving you all....

:biggrinjester:Didn't they tell you yet? They removed you from the succession. Something about the bells/ears being too big, making the crown look small? :tonguewag:

I couldn't name a music producer, other than maybe kinda sorta, isn't Simon from AI one? But I only know him as a TV character, not as a producer (or is he a buyer? - whatever). It's the bands you know. Maybe once in awhile (Motown) a record label. I think you've got to be a musician wannabe at the least, learning about the industry to know anything about producers.

But in Hollywood, where so many are looking for their connection to get them into the big-time, I'm sure he had a lot of power, obviously. But that was back in the day. I don't think he ever adjusted to the fact that the world had moved on, and his past power had mostly moved with it.

[Anakerie]

OH!

NO ONE, Not even filthy Phil will touch the fabulous Richteous Brothers in my life. I REFUSE to let PS sully what I loved so much in my youth.
When the sentence has been pronounced tomorrow, his taint will be gone........... Go back up to my other post.. I linked another goooood song from the brothers.. :D

[Anakerie]

Does anyone remember which channel it was that tried to get the camera in the courtroom for the verdict? I don't remember it being KTLA... All I do remember was that they had trouble getting the feed to work...

Maybe I need to spend some time with google.. lol

[vonna]

Now, doesn't cutting off the airway cut off oxygen to the brain?

And doesn't cutting off oxygen to the brain result in dead braincells?

BY, JOVE! I THINK WE'VE GOT IT!


:biggrinjester:

Yes, that would explain things.

[kennedy06]

When the sentence has been pronounced tomorrow, his taint will be gone........... Go back up to my other post.. I linked another goooood song from the brothers.. :D

That is my favorite Anakerie! He did his best work on that song. I'll link again....if he had only put 1/4 of the effort he put into his music into other areas of his life.... IFS IFS and more IFS....all that heartfelt emotion that seemed to go into his music but it seemed his life was void of it when it came to people in some ways..... JMO:shrug:

Now he has to pay the piper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGPcDiiFhRs

[kennedy06]

Does anyone remember which channel it was that tried to get the camera in the courtroom for the verdict? I don't remember it being KTLA... All I do remember was that they had trouble getting the feed to work...

Maybe I need to spend some time with google.. lol

KNBC wasn't it?

[lizzard]

Now, doesn't cutting off the airway cut off oxygen to the brain?

And doesn't cutting off oxygen to the brain result in dead braincells?

BY, JOVE! I THINK WE'VE GOT IT!


:biggrinjester:

OOOHHHH!!! You are definitely on to something.:thumbsup:

[Anakerie]

KNBC wasn't it?
Google didn't help.. I went back to Sprocket's blog and found where she said that it was Miriam Hernandez's crew who were setting the cameras up, so back to google.. It was KABC (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/index) that provided the feed once they got it working... I hope that they or one of the other stations there in LA shows up at the courthouse with all the equipment they need to get the hearing on the air!!

[Anakerie]

Ana!! I am so envious. I have seen quite a few of the Artists of those days (60's) - but I never got a chance to see "The Brothers"

I'll show you my Beatles program if you show me your RB program...
lol, I'd be ecstatic if I still had the programs from the concerts I went to back in those days... Living in Southern California back then, we had many opportunities to see and hear a lot of the groups that were popular... And, for all I know, I might have even seen PS somewhere on the sidelines of one of those concerts. I remember one concert at the Lake Arrowhead amphitheater where we saw the Association, 3 Dog Night and a couple other groups perform.. And I got my foot trampled by Brian Wilson (Beach Boys fame) who was there watching from the sidelines with a group of guys... Didn't pay much attention to the guys on the sidelines..

[lizzard]

lol, I'd be ecstatic if I still had the programs from the concerts I went to back in those days... Living in Southern California back then, we had many opportunities to see and hear a lot of the groups that were popular... And, for all I know, I might have even seen PS somewhere on the sidelines of one of those concerts. I remember one concert at the Lake Arrowhead amphitheater where we saw the Association, 3 Dog Night and a couple other groups perform.. And I got my foot trampled by Brian Wilson (Beach Boys fame) who was there watching from the sidelines with a group of guys... Didn't pay much attention to the guys on the sidelines..

Anakerie, I am soooo jealous!
You've just described a form of Heaven.

[Anakerie]

Anakerie, I am soooo jealous!
You've just described a form of Heaven.
LOL! Which part? Watching the concerts? Possibly seeing PS on the sidelines? Or getting trampled by Brian Wilson? :lol:

[lizzard]

LOL! Which part? Watching the concerts? Possibly seeing PS on the sidelines? Or getting trampled by Brian Wilson? :lol:

Ummm ~ can you guess which one it isn't? :w00t:

[Anakerie]

Ummm ~ can you guess which one it isn't? :w00t:
LOL... Uhm.. My guess would be that PS would be the one that isn't...


I just found a quick note from Sprocket about tomorrow:

Sprocket says, heads up for those out of the loop. Spector's sentencing will be tomorrow at 11 am in Dept. 106. At this time, I have no guarantee of a reserved seat by the PIO's office. The family's of both parties will be seated first, along with the press. Any remaining seats will be for the public. If I don't get a reserved seat, I will have to enter the public lottery.
Everybody cross your fingers that our faithful blogger/reporter gets inside that courtroom tomorrow!!!!

[lizzard]

LOL... Uhm.. My guess would be that PS would be the one that isn't...


I just found a quick note from Sprocket about tomorrow:

Sprocket says, heads up for those out of the loop. Spector's sentencing will be tomorrow at 11 am in Dept. 106. At this time, I have no guarantee of a reserved seat by the PIO's office. The family's of both parties will be seated first, along with the press. Any remaining seats will be for the public. If I don't get a reserved seat, I will have to enter the public lottery.
Everybody cross your fingers that our faithful blogger/reporter gets inside that courtroom tomorrow!!!!



Thanks!

Lee finger extended over Cindy finger in anticipation :w00t:

[Anakerie]

Be Careful, Anakeri. We are not allowed to "quote" other blogs. We can post links and we can paraphrase them - but we cannot quote directly.

It has to do with copywrite rules.
No worries.. It's not from a "blog" per se... It's from the "wall" on my facebook page... lol..

[oodi]

God Bless You Phil - Forever, Amen


He WAS blessed... and he abused it.

[True2Blues]

Thanks!

Lee finger extended over Cindy finger in anticipation :w00t:

I'd rather cut my fingers off than think of them like that! :laugh:

[vonna]

I know - I received it also. It's just that so many people seemed to have gotten the "axe" today, I do worry about unintentional slips.

CJ

At long last we find ourselves on the eve of "S" day. Hasn't sentencing day seemed a long time in arriving?

[♫Rock*Star♫]

At long last we find ourselves on the eve of "S" day. Hasn't sentencing day seemed a long time in arriving?

Indeed.

About two years too long. Thanks for that, Bennington. :sneaky:

I predict Judge Fidler will sentence convicted murderer Phil Spector to a total of twenty years to life.

Maybe more.

[barskin&co.]

Phil Spector to be sentenced Friday to at least 15 years in prison
The music producer also could get three, four or 10 additional years for using a firearm in killing actress Lana Clarkson at his Alhambra mansion in 2003.
By Harriet Ryan
5:42 PM PDT, May 28, 2009
Phil Spector's six years in Los Angeles County's justice system, an odyssey that began with his arrest for shooting an actress in 2003 and included a grand jury presentation and two trials, will conclude Friday morning when he is sentenced to prison for murder.

Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler, who presided over the music producer's trials, has little discretion in punishing Spector, 69, for the fatal shooting of actress Lana Clarkson, 40, a death that jurors decided last month was second-degree murder

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector29-2009may29,0,7701046.story

[kennedy06]

Thank you for the link barskin.

So tomorrow will be anti climatic maybe? So he has a publicist speaking on his behalf did he have this before?

[Anakerie]

At long last we find ourselves on the eve of "S" day. Hasn't sentencing day seemed a long time in arriving?
It certainly has seemed like it's taken forever to get here...

Tomorrow... Tomorrow at 11am.. I hope a camera gets in there, but if not, I hope that Sprocket gets a seat in there!! And Jayne too! We need people reporting on all the details.. :thumbup:

[Details]

So - he could get 10 years extra on the firearm? That's something worth hoping for - I really don't think he should be out of jail again. Considing the history he has of firearm abuse, seems to me he could be considered for that extra time.

[penguin01]

It certainly has seemed like it's taken forever to get here...

Tomorrow... Tomorrow at 11am.. I hope a camera gets in there, but if not, I hope that Sprocket gets a seat in there!! And Jayne too! We need people reporting on all the details.. :thumbup:OK - so that is 11 am your time - California time?? I need to start cruising the channels in Central Time to see is any of the media (the media who tried him according to some posters, LOL!) will bother showing up for this or live-stream it. If its 11 a.m. your time then In-Session - or Tru TV will have moved on from live programing anyway. They end a 2 pm here.

[bearwds]

OK - so that is 11 am your time - California time?? I need to start cruising the channels in Central Time to see is any of the media (the media who tried him according to some posters, LOL!) will bother showing up for this or live-stream it. If its 11 a.m. your time then In-Session - or Tru TV will have moved on from live programing anyway. They end a 2 pm here.

********************************

Hey penguin.....

Eleven AM is 11 AM here....har Makes it easy. Satellite feed would bring ...ummm "Banfield (I'm not a lawyer) and Ford, if I recall. Don't watch that station much anymore.

If they bring it live, I'll buy everyone a Navy Grog.


bearwds

[barskin&co.]

Thank you for the link barskin.

So tomorrow will be anti climatic maybe? So he has a publicist speaking on his behalf did he have this before?

I don't think it will be anti-climatic. PS being sentenced to signifigant prison time will be something to behold. There will be Lana's loved ones telling PS what they really think about him. And I am hoping for Judge Fidler to tell ol' Harvey what ]i]he[/i] really thinks about him.

[True2Blues]

Phil Spector to be sentenced Friday to at least 15 years in prison
The music producer also could get three, four or 10 additional years for using a firearm in killing actress Lana Clarkson at his Alhambra mansion in 2003.
By Harriet Ryan
5:42 PM PDT, May 28, 2009
Phil Spector's six years in Los Angeles County's justice system, an odyssey that began with his arrest for shooting an actress in 2003 and included a grand jury presentation and two trials, will conclude Friday morning when he is sentenced to prison for murder.

Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler, who presided over the music producer's trials, has little discretion in punishing Spector, 69, for the fatal shooting of actress Lana Clarkson, 40, a death that jurors decided last month was second-degree murder

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector29-2009may29,0,7701046.story

25 to life sounds good to me!

[True2Blues]

OK - so that is 11 am your time - California time?? I need to start cruising the channels in Central Time to see is any of the media (the media who tried him according to some posters, LOL!) will bother showing up for this or live-stream it. If its 11 a.m. your time then In-Session - or Tru TV will have moved on from live programing anyway. They end a 2 pm here.

That's one pm central time, I'm in that zone too. That's later than I thought it would be, but any time suits me as long as it gets done.

[Anakerie]

OK - so that is 11 am your time - California time?? I need to start cruising the channels in Central Time to see is any of the media (the media who tried him according to some posters, LOL!) will bother showing up for this or live-stream it. If its 11 a.m. your time then In-Session - or Tru TV will have moved on from live programing anyway. They end a 2 pm here.

Yep.. 11am California time...

I'll be checking/googling the LA TV stations in the morning looking for a link to a stream.. hehe

[kennedy06]

I don't think it will be anti-climatic. PS being sentenced to signifigant prison time will be something to behold. There will be Lana's loved ones telling PS what they really think about him. And I am hoping for Judge Fidler to tell ol' Harvey what ]i]he[/i] really thinks about him.

After reading your post, I do believe you are right.

[Anakerie]

Here's Harriet Ryan's write-up about tomorrow:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector29-2009may29,0,7701046.story

This will disappoint a lot of folks, from the link:Spector has been in jail since his April 13 conviction. A court spokesman said Fidler granted a request by the music producer, who dressed in custom suits and bright ties during his trial, to wear his own clothes instead of a jail uniform to court.

"It is not at all uncommon for defendants at sentencing to be permitted to be able to wear their street clothes," said spokesman Allan Parachini.

[FallenAngel♥]

I sure hope KTLA has a live stream tomorrow.

[dref99]

It doesn't disappoint me. I know a lot of people wanted to gloat - it never really mattered to me. Many convicted people are allowed street clothes at sentencing hearings.
Judge Fidler is a very fair Jurist.

Judge Fidler has been so cautious and fair in this trial - I doubt any cause for an appeal will ever be found. It will probably be the last time in his life that Phil gets to wear his custom suits.

jmo

[dref99]

Is Harriet Ryan's arithmetic wrong - or does Spector get parole before the 15 years has passed

Since the conviction carries a mandatory 15 years to life in prison, the judge's only choice will be whether to tack on three, four or 10 additional years to the minimum sentence for the use of a firearm.

The prosecution has recommended four more years; the defense has asked for three. The judge's ruling will determine whether Spector is first eligible for parole at age 77, 78 or 87

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector29-2009may29,0,7701046.story

[tartangirl]

At long last we find ourselves on the eve of "S" day. Hasn't sentencing day seemed a long time in arriving?


Awake awfully early even for me and had to repeat your words that have been on my mind for long lately~ I am listening to The Dixie Chicks again and again as I have for these last two trials, sweetly and saucily sing about the long way around. It seems it has been the long way round in more ways than I ever thought it would be as I read and type away on this and other message boards. Today will bring an ending of sorts. :mellow:

They have been my background music for the most part, often only in my head. They have come to remind me of Lana and the people who have played a part in this whole story we have all been glued to since that horrible day in 2003. Not ready to make nice is a good phrase that will be with me no matter how long or how the sentencing goes today in courtroom 106. Hopefully today might turn out to be a long awaited peaceful day for many and for all those who have been drawn to this trial for whatever reason it is a LONG TIME COMING~~~

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[GPSpector]

From my understanding, 18 is the minimum that he could serve.

I got this article in E-Mail yesterday and thought I'd share it.

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/spector-pleads-for-minimum-sentence_1104758

I really wish I could be there in California today but as it would seem, a lady here that I had worked for, for about 4 years but have had nothing to do with in over a year, has decided to make me pay for the sins of my father and I seems to have my own Court issues that are keeping me here in Colorado :-(

[GPSpector]

Amen to that.

At least the baying broods won't get to see Phil wearing an orange (or blue as it actually is) jumpsuit like they sooooo wanted. Amen to that.

Actually, here in Colorado, Orange suits is for Felony's and the Blue is for misdemeanors. I just learned that a few weeks ago.

[Themis]

Is Harriet Ryan's arithmetic wrong - or does Spector get parole before the 15 years has passed

Since the conviction carries a mandatory 15 years to life in prison, the judge's only choice will be whether to tack on three, four or 10 additional years to the minimum sentence for the use of a firearm.

The prosecution has recommended four more years; the defense has asked for three. The judge's ruling will determine whether Spector is first eligible for parole at age 77, 78 or 87

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector29-2009may29,0,7701046.story
Yes, I think Harriet Ryan's arithmetic is wrong.

Her "77, 78," stems from, I believe, his age being 59 when we know, and her own writing states, he is now 69.
Example, trying to back into her figures:
59 + 18 = 77 and 59 + 19 = 78.
Don't know how she came up with the 87.

With my poor math skills, his being eligible for parole should read:

87 (15 + 3 = 18 + 69) OR
88 (15 + 4 = 19 + 69) OR
94 (15 + 10 = 25 + 69)

My figures are based on assuming Fidler uses 15 years as the mandatory minimum sentence plus the additional 3, 4, or 10 years for gun enhancement to be served consecutively (not concurrently).
And that is assuming I understand how the sentence is to be imposed.

Have I added more confusion for both of us?:laugh:

[JMO * Themis]

[kellabeck]

http://www.mercurynews.com/celebrities/ci_12467244?nclick_check=1


I get an error message when I try to go there.

[kellabeck]

[color=blue]Phil Spector to be sentenced Friday to at least 15 years in prison
SNIP
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector29-2009may29,0,7701046.story

Spector is going to be allowed to wear street clothes?? WHY?? Why should he be given that privilege?? He's a convicted felon, for cryin' out loud! Let him wear orange.

[kennedy06]

Themis, I was assuming she was going by a year off for every year of good behavior or something like that, and that his how she came up with those ages. :shrug:

[kennedy06]

He WAS blessed... and he abused it.

(bolding mine)

I just have to quote this, we have had many defining posts over the last 2 years. Your post sums his life up rather well IMO.

[Themis]

Spector is going to be allowed to wear street clothes?? WHY?? Why should he be given that privilege?? He's a convicted felon, for cryin' out loud! Let him wear orange.
I believe it is because Judge Fidler is not only a good judge and an extremely fair judge but he is a humane judge with the compassion Dianna writes about in her post #308. [JMO * Themis]

[barskin&co.]

Good morning, all. Welcome to Justice Day.


Justice for Lana :rose:

[vonna]

Phil Spector has been incarcerated since the 14th of April. He must be having a very difficult time. He is accustom to a life of freedom and to think as he wants, go where he wants and do what he wants. 7 weeks locked up and not the medication he so freely took when he was out.
He's on the reality train by now.
Giving him his suit and wig back must make him feel worse because he knows after he dresses he will not be walking out any door to freedom.
I still maintain he shot and killed Lana Clarkson. We all know it, Spector knows it. He had to go with Not guilty and still claims he is innocent and she killed herself.
If he had an ounce of intelligence and went with what his attorneys suggested (in the beginning) he may have only did a few years in state prison for manslaughter but noooooo! With his Pompous attitude and self importance he took this train all the way to the end. Now he faces 19 to life and there's no turning back. I bet he wishes he wasn't so arrogant throughout this whole trial.
I am confident this will not get through the appeals process.
Phillip Spector didn't know when to hold em, know when to fold em. He's out of gas for the rest of his life.

:rose: This ones for you Lana Clarkson and family...

You tell 'em, Dianna! At long last - he finally reaps what he has sown.

[hiitsme]

Phil Spector has been incarcerated since the 14th of April. He must be having a very difficult time. He is accustom to a life of freedom and to think as he wants, go where he wants and do what he wants. 7 weeks locked up and not the medication he so freely took when he was out.
He's on the reality train by now.
Giving him his suit and wig back must make him feel worse because he knows after he dresses he will not be walking out any door to freedom.
I still maintain he shot and killed Lana Clarkson. We all know it, Spector knows it. He had to go with Not guilty and still claims he is innocent and she killed herself.
If he had an ounce of intelligence and went with what his attorneys suggested (in the beginning) he may have only did a few years in state prison for manslaughter but noooooo! With his Pompous attitude and self importance he took this train all the way to the end. Now he faces 19 to life and there's no turning back. I bet he wishes he wasn't so arrogant throughout this whole trial.
I am confident this will not get through the appeals process.
Phillip Spector didn't know when to hold em, know when to fold em. He's out of gas for the rest of his life.

:rose: This ones for you Lana Clarkson and family...

Excellent post Dianna. Wish this could be framed and given to him as a reminder of the truth!

[barskin&co.]

Phil Spector has been incarcerated since the 14th of April. He must be having a very difficult time. He is accustom to a life of freedom and to think as he wants, go where he wants and do what he wants. 7 weeks locked up and not the medication he so freely took when he was out.
He's on the reality train by now.
Giving him his suit and wig back must make him feel worse because he knows after he dresses he will not be walking out any door to freedom.
I still maintain he shot and killed Lana Clarkson. We all know it, Spector knows it. He had to go with Not guilty and still claims he is innocent and she killed herself.
If he had an ounce of intelligence and went with what his attorneys suggested (in the beginning) he may have only did a few years in state prison for manslaughter but noooooo! With his Pompous attitude and self importance he took this train all the way to the end. Now he faces 19 to life and there's no turning back. I bet he wishes he wasn't so arrogant throughout this whole trial.
I am confident this will not get through the appeals process.
Phillip Spector didn't know when to hold em, know when to fold em. He's out of gas for the rest of his life.

:rose: This ones for you Lana Clarkson and family...

Very well said, Dianna. But, remember he claimed that she shot herself only after he realized on the morning of 02/03/03 that the police weren't just going to shrug it all off.

From page 4 out of 5 of the statement by Officer Beatrice Rodriguez on the scene on February 3, 2003:

I then proceded to clear the lower level of the west wing of the residence. As I proceded to do so, I heard Spector yelling, "What's wrong with you guys? What are you doing?" As I continued with my search, again I heard Spector yell, "I didn't mean to shoot her. It was an accident." "I have an explanation for this."

From the document entitled:

Post arrest statements attached to Notice of motion and motion to exclude post-arest statements of defendant; memorandum of points and authorities
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/court...-03%2009:48:13

[barskin&co.]

Barskin...
This trial has had so many twists and turns I forget why AJ did not have Rodriguez testify to what he said.
Help me out here.

I am clueless. :confused::confused: But, he did tell DeSouza and Rodriguez that he shot her until he realized that he, the great Phil Spector, was actually in trouble this time. Then, at the Police HQ, he started in on what The Smoking Gun called the "piece of s#!t defense,"
when he started in on how Lana was said "piece of" you know, and how she had no business "shooting herself" at his castle. That statement is attached to the document I gave a link to.

[vonna]

I am clueless. :confused::confused: But, he did tell DeSouza and Rodriguez that he shot her until he realized that he, the great Phil Spector, was actually in trouble this time. Then, at the Police HQ, he started in on what The Smoking Gun called the "piece of s#!t defense,"
when he started in on how Lana was said "piece of" you know, and how she had no business "shooting herself" at his castle. That statement is attached to the document I gave a link to.

He deserves additional time for his statement about Lana!

[dref99]

Yes, I think Harriet Ryan's arithmetic is wrong.

Her "77, 78," stems from, I believe, his age being 59 when we know, and her own writing states, he is now 69.
Example, trying to back into her figures:
59 + 18 = 77 and 59 + 19 = 78.
Don't know how she came up with the 87.

With my poor math skills, his being eligible for parole should read:

87 (15 + 3 = 18 + 69) OR
88 (15 + 4 = 19 + 69) OR
94 (15 + 10 = 25 + 69)

My figures are based on assuming Fidler uses 15 years as the mandatory minimum sentence plus the additional 3, 4, or 10 years for gun enhancement to be served consecutively (not concurrently).
And that is assuming I understand how the sentence is to be imposed.

Have I added more confusion for both of us?:laugh:

[JMO * Themis]

Your numbers look much better than those in the LA times - they about match my thoughts.

Themis, I was assuming she was going by a year off for every year of good behavior or something like that, and that his how she came up with those ages. :shrug:

I was wondering about such things but in the submission of Alan Jackson (transcribed on the T&T blog) says

B. CREDITS

Pursuant to Penal Code section 190(3), the defendant is entitled to no conduct credit reduction in his sentence. Cal. Pen. Code § 190(e) (2003); Cal. Pen. Code § 2933.2 (2003).

(Bolding is mine)

The penal code stated is

(e) Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 2930) of Chapter 7 of
Title 1 of Part 3 shall not apply to reduce any minimum term of a
sentence imposed pursuant to this section. A person sentenced
pursuant to this section shall not be released on parole prior to
serving the minimum term of confinement prescribed by this section.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199

so I think I have answered my own question - no reduction - but an error in the arithmetic - He will be at least 87 before he is released.

jmo

[Ellie]

Good morning all.... I can't believe the day is already here. I am working so those of you at home who can get live updates, I look forward to your posts!! :smile:

[Ellie]

Originally Posted by Dianna
Barskin...
This trial has had so many twists and turns I forget why AJ did not have Rodriguez testify to what he said.
Help me out here.

I am clueless. :confused::confused: But, he did tell DeSouza and Rodriguez that he shot her until he realized that he, the great Phil Spector, was actually in trouble this time. Then, at the Police HQ, he started in on what The Smoking Gun called the "piece of s#!t defense,"
when he started in on how Lana was said "piece of" you know, and how she had no business "shooting herself" at his castle. That statement is attached to the document I gave a link to.

This has always baffled me too.... and I never understood why, in order for Michelle Blaine to take the stand, PHIL would have to take the stand. But... neither here nor there at this point. Phil is where he belongs. Question is... could these two things come into play if there is an appeal?

[barskin&co.]

He deserves additional time for his statement about Lana!

I agree, vonna, and I wouldn't be surprised if Judge Fidler cites him for his outrageous lack of remorse especially in the vile contempt he showed toward her, his victim.

[kellabeck]

Phil Spector has been incarcerated since the 14th of April.
SNIP

I don't disagree with you, Dianna, but I'd like to suggest how Spector could have avoided prison altogether: back when, when he first came into contact with LE after one of his drunken gun-rages, he could have wised up and GOTTEN RID OF ALL HIS FREAKIN' GUNS!!

And then he could have gone to AA and gotten clean and sober.

Had he done even ONE of those two things, he could be pottering around his castle in one of his wigs today.

Lana would be alive.

[dref99]

Originally Posted by Dianna
Barskin...
This trial has had so many twists and turns I forget why AJ did not have Rodriguez testify to what he said.
Help me out here.

This has always baffled me too.... and I never understood why, in order for Michelle Blaine to take the stand, PHIL would have to take the stand. But... neither here nor there at this point. Phil is where he belongs. Question is... could these two things come into play if there is an appeal?

As well as admiting to murder, Phil made alot of self serving early statements - and spoke of suicide a number of times - the prosecution decided it would not use any of his statements - and thus Phil could not use them - unless he took the stand. Caused Bruce Cutler much grief as he based his opening in trial 1 on these statements assuming the prosecution would use them.

I believe Michelle's evidence would be hearsay unless Spector gave evidence and then she could be arguing as to what he said/did at various times. This has been discussed on earlier threads - a search would probably find a better answer

jmo

[barskin&co.]

I don't disagree with you, Dianna, but I'd like to suggest how Spector could have avoided prison altogether: back when, when he first came into contact with LE after one of his drunken gun-rages, he could have wised up and GOTTEN RID OF ALL HIS FREAKIN' GUNS!!

And then he could have gone to AA and gotten clean and sober.

Had he done even ONE of those two things, he could be pottering around his castle in one of his wigs today.

Lana would be alive.

You are so right, kell!

This is why those who say, "but it was only manslaughter," are so wrong. Over the years, he has had times to sober up and have moments of lucidity. Then, he should have realized, thinking about his gun escapades, "I could have hurt someone. I could have killed someone," and, as you said, done something about it. Yes, if anyone needed, as we in AA put it, a "fearless moral inventory," it was Phil Spector. But, his overwhelming sense of entitlement trumped everything, and now he must face the consequences (as, he made Lana take them). He had years to get himself help. When he picked up the gun on February 3, 2003, it was murder, decades in the making.

[bearwds]

Good morning all.... I can't believe the day is already here. I am working so those of you at home who can get live updates, I look forward to your posts!! :smile:

********************************

Alas Ellie, no live stream or reporting unless TruTV pulls a last minute surprise. They would have a final hour of their broadcast (Banfield/Ford) to do it. (11am)

MSM hasn't shown much interest in this 2nd trial.

I did try with letters.

T/T will be trying to be seated as well as reportedly, Jayne who was planning on attending. Haven't heard from My-2-cents lately. Expect Harriet Ryan to be there.

HNN has been running a 30-second synopsis this morning.


bearwds

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=Dianna
2 more hours! Let the sentence begin...:wink:
JMO[/QUOTE]

*************************

Pesky time zones.... 4 more hours


bearwds

[oodi]

Good morning everyone!!!

[tartangirl]

A very good link indeed. As one of my longtime fellow posters here just said to me, "I thought it was a most comprehensive article."

~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/phil-spector/

[vonna]

does it start at 11:00 am pdt? Or 8:00 am pdt?

11:00 am pdt.

[hiitsme]

good morning

i sure wish insession tv was following the sentencing today.

I'm not. Couldn't listen to another word from Jami Flloyd about this case as I'm sure she'd chime in during Banfield & Ford. MOO

[barskin&co.]

I'm not. Couldn't listen to another word from Jami Flloyd about this case as I'm sure she'd chime in during Banfield & Ford. MOO

Now, that's a good point. Let's look on the bright side.

[vonna]

Now, that's a good point. Let's look on the bright side.

I'd endure almost anything if I could see the proceedings!

[GumShoeJoe]

Sprocket will try to get a seat for the sentencing:

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/search/label/Trial%20Coverage

[barskin&co.]

Sprocket will try to get a seat for the sentencing:

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/search/label/Trial%20Coverage

Yes!! Let's hope our Sprocket makes it into the courtroom. Remember when she covered the reading of the verdict, and she scooped the ABC news coverage?

[Themis]

I just called KTLA and they said there will be NO LIVE COVERAGE by them of the sentencing. They will have updates online at http://www.ktla.com and a full report at the 1:00 PM news hour. :thumbdown:
Thank you very much for calling, Eagleeer. I can understand where KTLA is coming from. While Spector #1 trial garnered the attention of live trial watchers (such as ourselves) and some of the general public, especially in southern California, people have moved on.
There is simply very little interest in the has-been, used-to-be-famous Mr. Spector.

A good example is the link given in Post 328 to a headline news story on Yahoo's homepage. IIRC, after checking it there were only 9 comments over 6 hours. Due to lack of interest the Spector sentencing article has already been yanked.
Just think how many hundreds of thousands of people have Yahoo as their homepage!

At least KTLA (channel 5 in LA) will have some updates and give a report at 1 P.M. I assume that 1 P.M. time is based on PDT (Pacific Daylight Time).

http://www.ktla.com/

[JMO * Themis]

[Daisy'sMom]

I have been waiting for this day since I was sitting in my office and heard that PS and an actress had been involved in a shooting at his home. It was my birthday and I came out to look at the coverage on CNN. I felt so sad for Lana from that moment on and knew in my heart that he had murdered her.
I am so glad that we have watched our justice system work for the victim and her family. I am sad for those who continue to speak out against Lana and speak in favor of a murderer.
May Lana and her family find peace. May the Spector Children find peace also. As for PS, I hope he never sees the outside of his prision again and sees Lana's face every night when he closes his eyes.

[Anni]

11:00 am pdt.

Is Judge Fidler allowing cameras in the courtroom for sentencing today, anybody know?

If so, who would it be? Or a link please. Thank you.

[Themis]

Is Judge Fidler allowing cameras in the courtroom for sentencing today, anybody know?

If so, who would it be? Or a link please. Thank you.
Look up -- info has been supplied starting with Post #345

[Anni]

Thank you Themis..

[barskin&co.]

I have been waiting for this day since I was sitting in my office and heard that PS and an actress had been involved in a shooting at his home. It was my birthday and I came out to look at the coverage on CNN. I felt so sad for Lana from that moment on and knew in my heart that he had murdered her.
I am so glad that we have watched our justice system work for the victim and her family. I am sad for those who continue to speak out against Lana and speak in favor of a murderer.
May Lana and her family find peace. May the Spector Children find peace also. As for PS, I hope he never sees the outside of his prision again and sees Lana's face every night when he closes his eyes.

I feel the same way. I was so heartened by the fact that justice (to what must have been Spector's profound surprise) did prevail in this case.

[vonna]

[quote=Dezi-Lou;13149753]

Dezi-Lou, there are 22 out of 24 Jurors in both trials who don't agree with you and the many thousands here and elswhere. You are entitled to your opinion and now we have heard it ad nauseum. Please after today give it a rest. With all due respect.

Thanks for coming up with a polite way to say what I believe most of us were thinking.

[barskin&co.]

Hey people, watch out with your quotes. If you are quoting a post and two names appear above the quoted words, delete the wrong name. See CW's post about it. She explains the procedure. And remember, you can go back and edit it if you did it wrong after you post.

[tampa-mom]

Hi all, reporting in for the BIG day we've all been waiting for!!!! Knowing PS is finally locked up has been an "all is right with the world" feeling and this is just icing on the cake. Whatever happens I only hope that some good will come from this.

[barskin&co.]

Thanks for coming up with a polite way to say what I believe most of us were thinking.

See, vonna. You just ascribed Dezi-Lou for something eagleeer said.
Take a look when you quote if above the quoted section it had the brackets with a person quoted and a second set of brackets and another name it says it's quoting, manually delete the extra brackets and name.

[FallenAngel♥]

I just called KTLA and they said there will be NO LIVE COVERAGE by them of the sentencing. They will have updates online at http://www.ktla.com and a full report at the 1:00 PM news hour. :thumbdown:

well that sucks :(
thank you for taking the time to call them for us :rose:

[barskin&co.]

Two more hours....two more hours. {tapping toes}

[Tudo]

I don't believe he did it either. Here's what Mr Spector's bodyguards said yesterday

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=6837219

[tampa-mom]

[QUOTE=eagleeer;13149977]


no i will not, i have not told you to stop going on and on about how phil looks or what you think you know about him personally.

i am just as passionate about his innocence as you are about his guilt. i know the law is the law, just like when oj was set free years ago. i still have a right to my opinion. don't tell me how many times i can say what i feel.

phil spector did not murder lana. imo

There are none so blind as those who will not see. I respect your opinion but I'm at a total loss as to how you've convinced yourself of this view?

[tampa-mom]

I don't believe he did it either. Here's what Mr Spector's bodyguards said yesterday

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=6837219

Paid Bodyguards....go figure.

[hiitsme]

Paid Bodyguards....go figure.

Go figure is right. I guessed I missed their testimony.:laugh:

[True2Blues]

Paid Bodyguards....go figure.

Also people who didn't know him when he killed Lana, just afterward. I'm sure they're nice people, but all they know is what he wanted them to know of him.

[tampa-mom]

Go figure is right. I guessed I missed their testimony.:laugh:

Followed both trials.... never heard of these guys? Who knew!!!!

[barskin&co.]

Paid Bodyguards....go figure.

Yeah, there's a reliable source for you! Now, Officer Beatrice Rodriguez said this in a sworn statement on 2/03/03:

I then proceded to clear the lower level of the west wing of the residence. As I proceded to do so, I heard Spector yelling, "What's wrong with you guys? What are you doing?" As I continued with my search, again I heard Spector yell, "I didn't mean to shoot her. It was an accident." "I have an explanation for this."

From the document entitled:

Post arrest statements attached to Notice of motion and motion to exclude post-arest statements of defendant; memorandum of points and authorities
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/court...-03%2009:48

[roytoy]

so, there is no pool camera or coverage of the sentencing via television or streaming?


ktla will have an update online at 1pm est?

sorry, late coming to the party, any info would be appreciated.

[vonna]

I don't believe he did it either. Here's what Mr Spector's bodyguards said yesterday

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=6837219

Though the names are different - the posts are alike.
Good morning, Dianna. It was also the first thing that came to my mind!

[True2Blues]

Looks like we are all patiently waiting for the hands of time to crawl toward a goal we have had for 6 years! Seeing this murderer put away!
I would love to see it live and hear Mrs. Clarkson have her say. It's about time and I hope PS will get the maximum!

For Lana...:rose:

Hi NM! I really am surprised no local station is covering the sentencing live. I hope someone at least has a camera in the courtroom so there is tape. I want to hear what Donna Clarkson has to say too. It's been way too long and she's gone through so much.

I hope he gets the maximum too.

[tampa-mom]

Yeah, there's a reliable source for you! Now, Officer Beatrice Rodriguez said this in a sworn statement on 2/03/03:

I then proceded to clear the lower level of the west wing of the residence. As I proceded to do so, I heard Spector yelling, "What's wrong with you guys? What are you doing?" As I continued with my search, again I heard Spector yell, "I didn't mean to shoot her. It was an accident." "I have an explanation for this."

From the document entitled:

Post arrest statements attached to Notice of motion and motion to exclude post-arest statements of defendant; memorandum of points and authorities
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/court...-03%2009:48

AMEN....move along.

[vonna]

Looks like we are all patiently waiting for the hands of time to crawl toward a goal we have had for 6 years! Seeing this murderer put away!
I would love to see it live and hear Mrs. Clarkson have her say. It's about time and I hope PS will get the maximum!

For Lana...:rose:

Hi NM. At looooooong last the day of reckoning!!

[True2Blues]

so, there is no pool camera or coverage of the sentencing via television or streaming?


ktla will have an update online at 1pm est?

sorry, late coming to the party, any info would be appreciated.


It doesn't look like there will be any live coverage. Tape maybe?

[tampa-mom]

My ignore box is filled with their new nics that end up getting banned daily.

Such support for Phil and can't bother to show up at the court house? Some support that isn't. Would rather try attemp to disrupt this board which never works. I've alerted CW before the tag team get worse.

omo

:rolleyes:

No worries, just helping to pass the time. Nothing's gonna rain on this parade today. :thumbsup:

[Thisbe II]

Thisbe is on line once again ....catching up. Big shout out to ma peeps from Spector I---Kellabeck, Barskin, Kennedy, Anakerie, GP Spector, and Tartangirl.:w00t:
Its been a long couple of years and have stayed in touch with this case by reading Sprockets amazing blog,Trials & Tribulations.
Does anyone know if Sprocket will be blogging or twittering or whatever? I cant believe no outlet will be showing this by live feed. Grr...:angry:

[Tudo]

Though the names are different - the posts are alike.
Good morning, Dianna. It was also the first thing that came to my mind!

I can see that you and some others here also equate obama or mccain with freedom.

Laughable.

Mr Spector will be freed on the appeal.

[Snicker]

Wow, I can hardly believe this day finally came! :thumbsup:

I've looked everywhere for live coverage, but found nothing so far.

Sprocket's in the courtroom blogging regularly at http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/ - I guess she'll have to be our eyes and ears unless someone can find live coverage. :glare:

Nice to see so many here who followed the first trial! :smile:

[Nic99]

I can see that you and some others here also equate obama or mccain with freedom.

Laughable.

Mr Spector will be freed on the appeal.

I agree Phil Spector WILL be freed on appeal and what a great day that will be:thumbup:

Nic

[Snicker]

Per Sprocket:

"9:54 am: I just learned from Gary (who I met during verdict watch) that the camera is just for TV. The sentencing will NOT be live streamed anywhere on the Internet." :sad:

[vonna]

I agree Phil Spector WILL be freed on appeal and what a great day that will be:thumbup:

Nic

What was the flavor of the Kool Aid you guys drank?

[oodi]

Thisbe is on line once again ....catching up. Big shout out to ma peeps from Spector I---Kellabeck, Barskin, Kennedy, Anakerie, GP Spector, and Tartangirl.:w00t:
Its been a long couple of years and have stayed in touch with this case by reading Sprockets amazing blog,Trials & Tribulations.
Does anyone know if Sprocket will be blogging or twittering or whatever? I cant believe no outlet will be showing this by live feed. Grr...:angry:

Sprocket will be blogging live if she can get in. If she does get in, it looks like she may be the only source of up-to-the-minute info.

[roytoy]

don't hold your breath waiting for that appeal.

phil is going nowhere other than CA state prison for the rest of his natural life. bank on it.

[barskin&co.]

I agree Phil Spector WILL be freed on appeal and what a great day that will be:thumbup:

Nic

I'm sorry Nic, but on that "great day," you will never notice Phil being "freed on appeal." Nope, I'm afraid that you will be far too distracted as you stare up at the sky and watch the pigs flying around.

[True2Blues]

don't hold your breath waiting for that appeal.

phil is going nowhere other than CA state prison for the rest of his natural life. bank on it.

:thumbsup: Works for me!