Tuesday, May 26

[?noanswer]

New thread for today. JMO

[Pag Boi]

I agree that it is fair to discuss whatever issues Crystal may have had as long as it is fair to discuss whatever issues Ronald may have had too. We only have Ronald's word that Crystal was using cocaine at the time and that was why he refused to give the kids back to her. I don't recall any proof from anyone that she actually was using at the time. She told the judge that she use to use cocaine but had stopped a year earlier. So here we have a "he said-she said" but because Crystal admitted to prior use and Ronald denied it, Crystal is automatically guilty and Ronald is innocent. Crystal would have had a difficult time legally proving that Ronald had been using drugs.

We don't know what the missed appointments were for and I personally believe that Ronald was as responsible for those missed appointments as Crystal was. He claims to have been the "responsible" parent yet he wasn't interested enough to find out if his kids were seeing the doctor or even what the doctor might have had to say.

I am really glad that you brought up the missed appointment the day of the hearing. WHY would Ronald schedule a doctor's appointment so close to the time of hearing? I wonder if he would have taken Jr. in to see the doctor that morning if Crystal had brought him back or rescheduled due to the hearing? That whole situation stinks of setup to me. You don't schedule an appointment with a pediatrician for the same morning you are due in court. Why didn't he reschedule when he found out he had to be in court that day? or did he make the appointment knowing that he had to be in court then? If the doctor felt that Jr had a serious heart murmur, I don't believe that he/she would have been waiting around to have it checked out. Lots of kids, and adults, have heart murmurs. Most have no problem with it. Have we ever learned for sure that Jr did/does have a murmur?

You mention the "serious health issues" that Haleigh was undergoing yet we haven't heard anything from her family, on either side, about her having health issues that should be considered above the norm.

If Crystal was still doing drugs, then I agree that she shouldn't have been given custody of the kids. Also, if Ronald was doing the same, he shouldn't have been granted custody either. I think it's sad that there was no investigating done of the two parents prior to granting custody but I do realize that that is often the case. moo



Just WOW!

It is a fact that Haleigh had serious medical issues. It is painfully obvious in pictures that early intervention greatly improved her quality of life.


READ the court transcripts. Crystal was doing coke when she was pregnant w/jr. She admitted some days she just didn't feel like getting out of bed. She missed jr's dr appt that very am of her 2nd chance court date.

Ronald took a drug test through the court officer the day after the wreck / alleged coke use.

Crystal has said a lot of great things about Hailey/Misty/Ron, only to take them back 3 sentences or 3 days later. Crystal didn't know Haleigh's teacher. Crystal didn't know why Haleigh missed school. Crystal hadn't seen her 2 oldest kids in 2 weeks. Crystal had paid child support in many months. I don't buy her wreck bs or unemployment. She was unemployed when she was originally assigned to pay support back in 2005.


Chad was her stepbrother. She got knocked up by a man that had a RSO and a coke bust. Seems to me she was drawn to a certain type of male. Read what she & sis post to daddy at MS. See the pix posted by Sheffields on MS. She was no better than Ron. At least he was employed. Even Haleigh told CS she loved Misty. Even CS said RS would never hurt Haleigh.

I don't think either parent is great. But the court did do some investigating. Ron was deemed to be the lesser of the 2 evils.

Had it been Ron, the noncustodial parent, living in another town, months behind in child support whenHaleigh went missing, OMG. How many of you would have supported what you deem plausible excuses for CS , to Ron, for his nonperformance?

I can't imagine Ron getting any of the support being offered CS. I can't think of one good reason Crystal is so hot & cold abt Ron. Unless she is still in love with him. JMOO

[lizzard]

New thread for today. JMO

Thanks, ?noanswer.

Prayers for Haleigh, may she come home safely today. :rose:

[carlybarly]

Thanks for starting a new thread! I've searched for something ANYTHING new, even on blogs, and really come up with nothing.

Praying this little one comes home today!

[marshmallow]

A poster on the holiday felt that children should be with their mothers (post #109). It was being discussed.

imo



there are plenty of children who shouldn't be with either parent. Thank goodness the courts see this and make decisions based on what's best for the child, not the adults.

[Peaches]

Just WOW!

It is a fact that Haleigh had serious medical issues. It is painfully obvious in pictures that early intervention greatly improved her quality of life.


READ the court transcripts. Crystal was doing coke when she was pregnant w/jr. She admitted some days she just didn't feel like getting out of bed. She missed jr's dr appt that very am of her 2nd chance court date.

Ronald took a drug test through the court officer the day after the wreck / alleged coke use.

Crystal has said a lot of great things about Hailey/Misty/Ron, only to take them back 3 sentences or 3 days later. Crystal didn't know Haleigh's teacher. Crystal didn't know why Haleigh missed school. Crystal hadn't seen her 2 oldest kids in 2 weeks. Crystal had paid child support in many months. I don't buy her wreck bs or unemployment. She was unemployed when she was originally assigned to pay support back in 2005.


Chad was her stepbrother. She got knocked up by a man that had a RSO and a coke bust. Seems to me she was drawn to a certain type of male. Read what she & sis post to daddy at MS. See the pix posted by Sheffields on MS. She was no better than Ron. At least he was employed. Even Haleigh told CS she loved Misty. Even CS said RS would never hurt Haleigh.

I don't think either parent is great. But the court did do some investigating. Ron was deemed to be the lesser of the 2 evils.

Had it been Ron, the noncustodial parent, living in another town, months behind in child support whenHaleigh went missing, OMG. How many of you would have supported what you deem plausible excuses for CS , to Ron, for his nonperformance?

I can't imagine Ron getting any of the support being offered CS. I can't think of one good reason Crystal is so hot & cold abt Ron. Unless she is still in love with him. JMOO


No snipping here..............your post is right on target! Thank you for this well-thought out reasoning. ITA. and it is JMOHO also

[lizzard]

there are plenty of children who shouldn't be with either parent. Thank goodness the courts see this and make decisions based on what's best for the child, not the adults.

ITA. Fortunately there are judges who do as well. Sometimes, sadly, the child may be better with a safe relative or even temp foster care. :crying:

imo

[titanfan217]

Hopefully, we're back on track this morning. I admit I was lost about half the time this weekend between board "issues" and personal stuff.

At the risk of starting a war, which I hope won't happen, can someone fill me in as to what happened with Cobra. I don't care one bit about the arrest etc etc and anything that doesn't have to do with Haleigh, but somehow I got the impression that he's trying to turn the whole thing around.

Wasn't it on the same show last week that we were hearing how wonderful CS's dad is, that if he had Haleigh he'd be telling 'em to try to come & get her, that there were videos that RC was seen at 2:30 etc.

I didn't get to hear much of this week's show, but it sure sounded like everything has changed.

[?noanswer]

Hopefully, we're back on track this morning. I admit I was lost about half the time this weekend between board "issues" and personal stuff.

At the risk of starting a war, which I hope won't happen, can someone fill me in as to what happened with Cobra. I don't care one bit about the arrest etc etc and anything that doesn't have to do with Haleigh, but somehow I got the impression that he's trying to turn the whole thing around.

Wasn't it on the same show last week that we were hearing how wonderful CS's dad is, that if he had Haleigh he'd be telling 'em to try to come & get her, that there were videos that RC was seen at 2:30 etc.

I didn't get to hear much of this week's show, but it sure sounded like everything has changed.

In a nutshell, Cobra is now aligned with J Sheffield. Both are down on KP. That blogger radio site is in a lovefest for Cobra. Cobra's bail bond license are suspened until the outcome of his arrest is determined. AH seems to waffling a little in his support of Cobra. TJ Hart seems to be toning down his rhetoric a little. Who knows what/where these players will be by this time next week. Main Stream Media still not involved. CS & Maria have gone back to Baker County. Stay tuned for further developments!!! JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

In a nutshell, Cobra is now aligned with J Sheffield. Both are down on KP. That blogger radio site is in a lovefest for Cobra. Cobra's bail bond license are suspened until the outcome of his arrest is determined. AH seems to waffling a little in his support of Cobra. TJ Hart seems to be toning down his rhetoric a little. Who knows what/where these players will be by this time next week. Main Stream Media still not involved. CS & Maria have gone back to Baker County. Stay tuned for further developments!!! JMO

Exactly ?noanswer. I find things always lead back to Kim and her five minutes of TV time, but that is JMO. I find her very presence to have accomplished little to nothing regarding finding HALEIGH CUMMINGS. She seems to have created a rift between the biological parents of HALEIGH who were originally united in looking for their DAUGHTER. Add to that the idea of LE saying they have the information she claims to have gotten on her own and it furthers my low opinion of her.

At least she has stopped trying to package Crystal as the girl who didn't finish high school and is no longer asking what the public would expect from her. JMOOC. :sneaky:

[?noanswer]

Exactly ?noanswer. I find things always lead back to Kim and her five minutes of TV time, but that is JMO. I find her very presence to have accomplished little to nothing regarding finding HALEIGH CUMMINGS. She seems to have created a rift between the biological parents of HALEIGH who were originally united in looking for their DAUGHTER. Add to that the idea of LE saying they have the information she claims to have gotten on her own and it furthers my low opinion of her.

At least she has stopped trying to package Crystal as the girl who didn't finish high school and is no longer asking what the public would expect from her. JMOOC. :sneaky:


I agree re KP. What little faith/confidence I had in her vanished the day she went down to the "hood" in her fancy suit and obsolete Hummer. Then she did that video in the TJ Hart site laughing about how she was sucking up to Jerome. I just hope that Jerome doesn't listen to that. That convinced me she has absolutely no common sense. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

has anyone seen the picture Cobra was talking about? ( with Crystal having her makeup done before the vigil )

[Pag Boi]

Exactly ?noanswer. I find things always lead back to Kim and her five minutes of TV time, but that is JMO. I find her very presence to have accomplished little to nothing regarding finding HALEIGH CUMMINGS. She seems to have created a rift between the biological parents of HALEIGH who were originally united in looking for their DAUGHTER. Add to that the idea of LE saying they have the information she claims to have gotten on her own and it furthers my low opinion of her.

At least she has stopped trying to package Crystal as the girl who didn't finish high school and is no longer asking what the public would expect from her. JMOOC. :sneaky:




Well, do you know what happened to the hotdog stand they leased? Or the cell phone that CS was on her way to get when she wrecked with her seizure disorder?

[?noanswer]

has anyone seen the picture Cobra was talking about? ( with Crystal having her makeup done before the vigil )

I think I may have seen it, but don't remember where. Several days ago someone linked a picture of CS & MG. They did look good, but my opinion was that either the picture was touched up or they had a professional makeup. It really looked to good for Prof. mup, so I think someone touched up the picture. Don't know if that was the same one that Cobra was talking about. JMO

[?noanswer]

Well, do you know what happened to the hotdog stand they leased? Or the cell phone that CS was on her way to get when she wrecked with her seizure disorder?

They painted it purple and had a thank you free food event there! That was probably the most activity that was ever there. Supposedly KP has hired someone to man it. Seems like no one was doing that for a while. Don't know if the "hired hand" has started yet. I can't see it being there very long. The rent is 500. per month plus utilites, phone, & the cost of the "hired hand". Those costs can mount up in a hurry. I don't think there is much being donated and I'd be willing to bet that anything that was donated is long gone. I don't see CS walking off and leaving funds anywhere. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

With Crystal and Marie back home in Baker Co and Kim gone too I still think the DCF investigation didn't return the results they wanted. I think we'll see the custody issue slowly fade away.

I don't know how DCF will be able to sift through all the unfounded accusations and pull any legitimate allegations out, but I can understand why they need extra time, that's for sure. :sneaky: JMO

I only want what's best for the children involved period regarding DCF.

[?noanswer]

I don't know how DCF will be able to sift through all the unfounded accusations and pull any legitimate allegations out, but I can understand why they need extra time, that's for sure. :sneaky: JMO

I only want what's best for the children involved period regarding DCF.

I bet KP got people to come out of the wood work to give statements to DCF. Some people are easily impressed with TV cameras, fancy suits and green hummers. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

has anyone seen the picture Cobra was talking about? ( with Crystal having her makeup done before the vigil )

No, but I thought someone was going to post a link IIRC.

[FallenAngel♥]

Didn't they say it was on her MySpace page? If so she has it set to private and imo she's probably removed it by now if she knows it was being talked about.


http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Oh yeah no doubt she's removed it just like she removed the "mary jane party" pics.

[FallenAngel♥]

Well in the case of the black eye their job was made easy due to the school and hospital records along with the pictures documenting the progression of the bruising. Add in the fact that cousin Candice never bothered to notify anyone when she claimed she "witnessed" Ron backhand Haleigh and I think they can figure out what is founded and what isn't.

As for the bolded part....we all do.

I still find it odd that family members that saw Haleigh being abused by Ron didn't want to testify in court about it.

[CANDYKISSES]

Oh yeah no doubt she's removed it just like she removed the "mary jane party" pics.

Sister Sarah has moved hers to private as well. Can you say REVISIONISTAS? :sneaky: JMO

It's a whole new world and a brand new day for this crew IMOO.

BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME:wub:

[CANDYKISSES]

I still find it odd that family members that saw Haleigh being abused by Ron didn't want to testify in court about it.

Me too FA. I was reminded of that when Johnny Sheffield (Crystal's daddy) was giving his interview and putting Kim out there. You'd think if all the town runs afraid of Ron, they would stand united behind KIM as she tries to hang him out there, but alas, NOT SO MUCH IYKWIM....:ohmy:

That leads me to believe DCF has one heck of a job to do. :crying: jmo

[?noanswer]

Or just maybe they are like countless others who don't want to get involved, didn't want to go to court because of issues with Ronald. Seems this time DCFS is taking their time making sure they are getting statements from those who may not have wanted to testify. If nothing had been found to prove abuse the case would not have taken over 60 days. IMO

Oh yea, I forgot about the all powerful Ronald. I bet if they thought they would get tv coverage, all of Satsuma would be there. Half for Ron, half for Crystal. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Seems no one wanted to back up her claims while under oath. Maybe they didn't want to face perjury charges?

IF any of those claims were true, IMO they would be almost as guilty as Ron and should be subject to charges as well. JMO tho. :cursing:

[Pag Boi]

Me too FA. I was reminded of that when Johnny Sheffield (Crystal's daddy) was giving his interview and putting Kim out there. You'd think if all the town runs afraid of Ron, they would stand united behind KIM as she tries to hang him out there, but alas, NOT SO MUCH IYKWIM....:ohmy:

That leads me to believe DCF has one heck of a job to do. :crying: jmo

I thought Crystal won't close to Johnny? She had to get some donations so she could stay in town. CS didn't know all the power that Ron had. It won't tilshe got to town that she got all the stories. You know WBG and Nee Nee, etc. In a town of 4,000 these rumors are hard to come by for a grandpa JMOO

[CANDYKISSES]

Oh yea, I forgot about the all powerful Ronald. I bet if they thought they would get tv coverage, all of Satsuma would be there. Half for Ron, half for Crystal. JMO

Yes, and look how they flocked to AH and his camera? Just imagine if the big top came to town and shooed off the little clown shows.....:tongueside:

Speaking of which, funny we have heard not word one about Greg since his debut describing SATURDAY NIGHT SEX, DRUGS, AND ROCK-N- ROLL PARTIES IN SATSUMA....:ohmy: I'll bet LE has their thumb on him unless a benefactor showed up to pay for his art school......:sneaky:

I feel certain none of the ethical people involved here have dirty hands, right?

jmo

[FallenAngel♥]

Maybe they're like the matriarch granny Sykes and subscribe to the "old school" way of disciplining children. :shrug:

Maybe...but if that's the case why are they making such a big deal about it now?

[?noanswer]

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2007/jul/31/naples_man_faces_felony_bombmaking_charges/ (http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2007/jul/31/naples_man_faces_felony_bombmaking_charges/)

This is a recap of how the “terrorist” capture by Cobra went down. From this article seems like Cobra was looking for a bond jumper and it just happened that they found some pipe bomb making materials. I think he just got lucky that this person was later termed a terrorist. Another interesting thing was that the father of the “terrorist” had to hire a lawyer to protect him & his 89 yo mother from the BH. JMO

[dustyk]

Yes, and look how they flocked to AH and his camera? Just imagine if the big top came to town and shooed off the little clown shows.....:tongueside:

Speaking of which, funny we have heard not word one about Greg since his debut describing SATURDAY NIGHT SEX, DRUGS, AND ROCK-N- ROLL PARTIES IN SATSUMA....:ohmy: I'll bet LE has their thumb on him unless a benefactor showed up to pay for his art school......:sneaky:

I feel certain none of the ethical people involved here have dirty hands, right?

jmo
I am sure none of them have clean hands...but all have a link to Ronald and usually birds of a feather and so on. I still have to go back to the fact that the lifestyle he lived contributed to Haleigh's disappearance. And I don't think anyone would fear the little man, just don't want to have to hear his vulgar mouth. JMO

[?noanswer]

I am sure none of them have clean hands...but all have a link to Ronald and usually birds of a feather and so on. I still have to go back to the fact that the lifestyle he lived contributed to Haleigh's disappearance. And I don't think anyone would fear the little man, just don't want to have to hear his vulgar mouth. JMO

I don't think either side of the family had a lifestyle that was in the best interest of the children. Guess they were all doing the best they could with what they had to work with. At least Ron's side took the high road unlike Crystal. He did not go on TV bashing Crystal. JMO

[dustyk]

I don't think either side of the family had a lifestyle that was in the best interest of the children. Guess they were all doing the best they could with what they had to work with. JMO
If living with a 16 year old is all he had to work with...especially one that admits to drug use the weekend before Haleigh went missing, why wouldn't he have done the right thing and at least had his mother or grandmother be responsible for them. What each side did doesn't concern me it is what they did when the children were in their care and Ronald fell short in his responsibility. JMO

[dustyk]

Perhaps you should read the quoted posts as well as the ones you want to attack. If you did you would have seen that I was responding to this comment......"didn't want to go to court because of issues with Ronald". Combining that sentence with the many posts by Crystal fans about how the entire town of Satsuma is scared of Ron is why I posted about Johnny Sheffield being scared of Ron.
my posts were never meant to be compared to any other posts.YOu took it out of context. JMO

[dustyk]

Oh? So what "issues" kept them from testifying against Ron?
I think I discussed that earlier. JMO

[dustyk]

No you didn't. You said they had issues but never said what those issues were. So....what were the issues?
go to post 57 JMO

[marshmallow]

I don't think either side of the family had a lifestyle that was in the best interest of the children. Guess they were all doing the best they could with what they had to work with. At least Ron's side took the high road unlike Crystal. He did not go on TV bashing Crystal. JMO



I agree with the section I bolded. Neither side seems to have been parent o' the year material and I can only give Ron a bit more credit than the Mother. He's not my ideal of a parent but of the two I can fully see why a court decided the children were better off with his parenting over her's.

They still have a child, accounted for, they can make a change now and ensure that their son together along with any other children they each may have, gets the best parenting they can give.

[dustyk]

Ask the Crystal fans who claim everyone is scared of Ron. I didn't say he was. I said I had a hard time believing he was.
Crystal Fans? Just because some see Ronald in a different light than others do not make them Crystal fans...I don't think one should take sides, just because Ronald was irresponsible in his duties as a parent while the children were in his care does not make anyone Crystal Fans. IMO

[dustyk]

ROFLMAO. That is the weakest excuse I've heard yet. Now we are supposed to believe people witnessed Ron beating his child but sat back and did nothing because they didn't want to hear him curse???
Sorry to say it is a weak excuse to many who chose to not want to get involved. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

I'm not sure who you mean by "they"

all of Crystals family. She said in court her family had seen Ron hitting the children but they didn't want to testify. I find that odd.

[dustyk]

Once again, the only people that claim that JS is afraid of Ron are a couple of Ron supporters, not "Crystal fans." So why would I ask them? :bored:

I'll just assume that it's all about rumor and inuendo and move on, k, bookie? You clealy don't have proof.

MO
I don't see anyone being afraid of him except the young girls he associates with. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

I thought Crystal won't close to Johnny? She had to get some donations so she could stay in town. CS didn't know all the power that Ron had. It won't tilshe got to town that she got all the stories. You know WBG and Nee Nee, etc. In a town of 4,000 these rumors are hard to come by for a grandpa JMOO

In Johnny's latest interview he alleges that Kim called him and told him to back off in not so many words, cuz she was trying to get her custody case going. I think he said her hubby called him back for a little WHAT FOR too. :scared: Johnny's MS pics seem to show a man who don't fear much IYKWIM?????

ALLEGEDLY A FORMER MARINE/FORMER DEPUTY for LE......:unsure:

http://writeintoaction.com/5-22-09%20writeintoaction.JohnnySheffieldInterview.mp3

[dustyk]

I have no problem being labeled a Ron supporter. The man stood up for his children, got custody and took care of his children. In today's society you see so many deadbeat dads but in this case the dad was the one raising his kids and not the one about to be sued by the state for back child support.

By all early accounts he was a good father who adored his children. Until Kim Picazio came along Crystal was telling everyone that Haleigh was Ron's heart and he would never hurt her and we've all seen the pictures that show he was a hands on father.
I could never support a man that called a 16 year old a dumb b___ girlfriend or accused her of letting his child get stole. He had others caring for the children. One teenager after another. Only amber knows if he will be sued by the state for back child support. JMO

[lizzard]

Yes, and look how they flocked to AH and his camera? Just imagine if the big top came to town and shooed off the little clown shows.....:tongueside:

Speaking of which, funny we have heard not word one about Greg since his debut describing SATURDAY NIGHT SEX, DRUGS, AND ROCK-N- ROLL PARTIES IN SATSUMA....:ohmy: I'll bet LE has their thumb on him unless a benefactor showed up to pay for his art school......

I feel certain none of the ethical people involved here have dirty hands, right?

jmo
my bold

Which ones would they be? :sneaky:

[FallenAngel♥]

You're new here. Some have gone to great lengths to go thru Crystal's life with a fine tooth comb and judge every move she's made.

MO

Shouldn't we try to go through both parents life with a fine tooth comb?

[FallenAngel♥]

No one on this board knows what kind of father Ronald Cummings was or is. Those court documents everyone here likes to quote are NOT proof that he was a good father.

Everyone fails to acknowledge the fact that no one posting on this board would have ever heard of Ronald Cummings IF his daughter had not disappeared on HIS watch FROM his home.

And when it comes down to it all that matters is what happen that night. Why Misty and Ronald will not go to LE and tell the TRUTH. And where is Haleigh?

MOO

Misty and Ron? ummmmmmmmm the LE have said over and over its ONLY Misty's story that has changed. Everything Ron has said has checked out so why do you continue to lump him with what his wife says?

[FallenAngel♥]

In Johnny's latest interview he alleges that Kim called him and told him to back off in not so many words, cuz she was trying to get her custody case going. I think he said her hubby called him back for a little WHAT FOR too. :scared: Johnny's MS pics seem to show a man who don't fear much IYKWIM?????

ALLEGEDLY A FORMER MARINE/FORMER DEPUTY for LE......:unsure:

http://writeintoaction.com/5-22-09%20writeintoaction.JohnnySheffieldInterview.mp3

WOW Crystal won't talk to her father because Kim lied to Crystal :ohmy:
This is an amazing interview.

[FallenAngel♥]

It does not excuse Ronald or his judgement to leave his very young children with Misty after her three day drug binge. He should blame himself for leaving his children with a teenage druggie that was exhausted from running the roads for three days. Misty herself admitted that she was extremely tired that night.

MO

Was Misty as tired as Crystal was when Crystal wouldn't get up and take her sick children to the dr?

[FallenAngel♥]

Because Ronald left his children with her. That is why. He should have been more concerned for his children. Because he left them with Misty after they had a fight and she ran the roads doing drugs for three days his daughter immediately disappeared the first night that Misty was back with the children. That is very significant details of the case.

MO

So should we blame Ron for also leaving his children with Crystal when she was on drugs and too lazy to get out of bed and take them to the dr?

[FallenAngel♥]

Crystal hasn't been ruled out by LE even though she was supposedly almost 2 hours away. That is why people dig into her life as well as the fact that non custodial parents kidnap their children from the custodial parents.

Well IMO Crystal probably wasn't 2 hours away that night.

[FallenAngel♥]

Don't be ridiculous, Angel. The children did NOT disappear at that time. You have no other recourse other than to agree that Misty was with the children with Ronald's permission when Haleigh disappeared. All your " what if's" are an unwelcomed distraction.

MO

I wonder why Cobra called DCF on Crystal.
I think Ron was crazy for being with Misty, leaving the children with Misty or trusting Misty.........

[CANDYKISSES]

So should we blame Ron for also leaving his children with Crystal when she was on drugs and too lazy to get out of bed and take them to the dr?

Well, I'm not too sure you'll get a reasonable answer on that one IYKWIM.....:rolleyes:

It's not the same thing in the jaded eyes who see only darkness in RON and all the light in CRYSTAL IMO. :unsure:

:wub:SOMEONE give up the information that will allow HALEIGH CUMMINGS TO COME HOME!

[lizzard]

This is one of my favorite posts, I like so much I think I'll post it again.

Coldwater
Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 486

Correcting error

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If you can't confirm, then it's only a rumor which we do NOT find acceptable on these forums.
my bold

imo

[marshmallow]

Don't be ridiculous, Angel. The children did NOT disappear at that time. You have no other recourse other than to agree that Misty was with the children with Ronald's permission when Haleigh disappeared. All your " what if's" are an unwelcomed distraction.

MO

I welcome any "what ifs". I'm new to this case and am interested in all details. I'm not pro anyone so my mind isn't biased.

[dustyk]

Was Misty as tired as Crystal was when Crystal wouldn't get up and take her sick children to the dr?
That has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I've said several times that in this day and age teens mature much faster. 12 and 13 year olds are becoming parents. 12 and 13 year olds are selling drugs, murdering or assaulting people and in some states are tried as adults. Arizona recently wanted to charge an 8 year old as an adult.

IMO age is a number nowadays.

OMG bookie, you're making me think too hard today and my head hurts. :sad:

You know it's not just the older men and young women. My son's last year of HS football was enlightening to say the least. Two of the step-fathers looked like they could be prom dates for the cheerleaders at the last awards ceremony/banquet. :ohmy:NO KIDDING

One of his teachers; 42 years old and a female engaged to and living with a 24 year old male, and quite happy to boot. I see it more and more in the teaching profession for some reason. IT's a different world out there, and Mrs. Robinson isn't in hiding anymore. That's for sure.
JMOOC

[Peaches]

Hi, dasiy, like you, I am not a supporter of either side, nor am I a detractor. People are what they are and it takes all different kinds of us to make the world go round.

I just want to know what happened to Haleigh.

I think it is inevitable that in a case like this so much about the family member's personal lives have come out, we try and make sense of something that can not be made sense of and that is that a little girl has vanished into thin air. So we look at this and we look at that and we say Oh! this is why it happened! because we want someone to blame. Children have been successfully raised in far worse households than the one Haleigh was growing up in, and have made a mark for themselves in this world, many many times.

Now, who took Haleigh, and where is she? That is the person I want to find and that is the person I want to blame.


Madame, You are so level headed and have such a insight in this case. You post is right on target! ITA :thumbsup:

[titanfan217]

No one on this board knows what kind of father Ronald Cummings was or is. Those court documents everyone here likes to quote are NOT proof that he was a good father.

Everyone fails to acknowledge the fact that no one posting on this board would have ever heard of Ronald Cummings IF his daughter had not disappeared on HIS watch FROM his home.

And when it comes down to it all that matters is what happen that night. Why Misty and Ronald will not go to LE and tell the TRUTH. And where is Haleigh?

MOO

Absolutely. Whether he was the best or worst dad to Haleigh is not important to finding Haleigh. That needs to be decided elsewhere. The issue is whether he is doing everything he can to help LE find his daughter. And that means doing his best to get the truth from anyone that was in/near Haleigh that evening.

And in re: to some other comments about opinion of him or his bride. KP did NOT change my opinion in any way. I have been suspcious since the rumors 1st came out that MC may not have been home all evening or had other "guests". That followed by twists & turns excuses that she was but nothing that meant anything.

If, I, many miles away and no real connect with the case, started having doubts, I can only imagine that CS and others had the same thoughts.

[CANDYKISSES]

Don't be ridiculous, Angel. The children did NOT disappear at that time. You have no other recourse other than to agree that Misty was with the children with Ronald's permission when Haleigh disappeared. All your " what if's" are an unwelcomed distraction.

MO

Well, I seem to remember when Crystal spoke about Haleigh loving Misty when she was first reported missing IMO. It wasn't until Kim showed up and started her own mission that Crystal started changing her answers.

I will also state that Marie Griffis was often trying to overshadow Crystal and bad mouth Ron Cummings at the same time IIRC. JMO.

The fact is that neither biological parent to Haleigh was doing the best job they could for the children and now one is missing and unaccounted for. After all the REAL UNWELCOME DISTRACTIONS, I can sadly report they are divided and it's not helping one bit IMHO. It is only hurting them both and Haleigh's case with all the side shows.

JMO:crying:

[dustyk]

he may have had no choice but to leave them with her. maybe no one else in the family was available to babysit, maybe they were trying to teach Ron and Misty a lesson about responsibility BECAUSE of the three day binge, you know? tough love? maybe it was either leave them with Misty or jeopardize his job because he hadn't been there very long and he had a good job and didn't want to loose it. are you saying that if Ron had not gone to work that night, and had been at home, Haleigh would still be there?
Then he shouldn't have told the judge that his mother would help him take care of them...had the judge known they would have been in the care of his 16 yr old live in, the outcome would have been different IMO

[FallenAngel♥]

yes sh eis on my friends list and she did take it down...
but not because there was anything wrong with that ... tv people make you wear make up for lighting reasons.. if you have ever seen anyone off camera you would wonder how they are going to get it all off afterward... you need make up for tv and she was not at a salon or anything and I'm sure that the make up person was someone from the network that filmed it

I wonder why she took it down then.

[dustyk]

Well, I seem to remember when Crystal spoke about Haleigh loving Misty when she was first reported missing IMO. It wasn't until Kim showed up and started her own mission that Crystal started changing her answers.

I will also state that Marie Griffis was often trying to overshadow Crystal and bad mouth Ron Cummings at the same time IIRC. JMO.

The fact is that neither biological parent to Haleigh was doing the best job they could for the children and now one is missing and unaccounted for. After all the REAL UNWELCOME DISTRACTIONS, I can sadly report they are divided and it's not helping one bit IMHO. It is only hurting them both and Haleigh's case with all the side shows.

JMO:crying:
Well I seem to remember that Crystal did speak well of Ron and Misty until she started hearing what everyone was telling her about them. Then him taking that donation jar out of her tent was tacky to say the least and that's when KP stepped in. And being in Marie's shoes if she felt like ronald was controlling and abusive to her daughter in any way, I don't blame her for bad mouthing him. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

I don't know what is going on with Cobra. I was listening to the blog radio with Simon and when a caller called in and asked about Cobra's claims of drug use the caller wanted to know if he gave that information to DCF and Cobra said he did. Art then stated that Crystal had taken some drug tests for DCF and that to his knowledge the tests were negative for the drugs in question. Which means her prescriptions are excluded. Drug tests are looking for illegal street drugs. Art said he is trying to get a copy of the tests.

What is puzzling about Cobra is the Snodgrass situation. Cobra says he had permission to revoke a bond he was not a part of nor his company and arrest Snodgrass yet he has not provided proof of that claim nor proof of any claims he has made against Ronald or Crystal at this point.
well IMO Kim and Cobra are both snakes in the grass.
I'm shocked Kim wants Johnny to stop looking for Haleigh. That's just insane IMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Not jumping to Crystal's defense because she definitely has her faults... but you have stated several mistruths... she did not admit coke use during the pregnancy with JR it wa the pregnancy with haleigh so as you stated you should read the transcripts... and as far as missing his doctor appointment the day of court sh ehad rescheduled it because she did not want to miss court which is the same thing i would have done too.... and her not getting up for some of the appointments she blames on her being lazy. and as far as the pics she had up on myspace of her getting her make up done... that was from a tv make up artist not her own beautician... if you are going to be on tv you need makeup otherwise it makes for bad footage that is not her fault at all...especially in outdoors footage or bad lighting... the greae on someones forehead can be enough to blind the camera man if the light hits it right...LOL

well yes she did admit to doing drugs while pregnant with JR. The Judge asked her the last time she did drugs and she said a year ago and JR was only sis months old then soooooooo if you do the math she did drugs when she was pregnant with JR........correct me if my maths wrong.

[dustyk]

well yes she did admit to doing drugs while pregnant with JR. The Judge asked her the last time she did drugs and she said a year ago and JR was only sis months old then soooooooo if you do the math she did drugs when she was pregnant with JR........correct me if my maths wrong.
She said about a year ago...not an exact date JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

someone please correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Crystal basically admit to doing drugs while pregnant with Haleigh and JR?

[FallenAngel♥]

She said about a year ago...not an exact date JMO

but she was pregnant for 9 months with Jr and Jr was 6 months old.......

[FallenAngel♥]

the Judge even said a Year and Half ago and she said NO a year ago....sorry but that means she was doing drugs while pregnant with Jr IMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Your math isn't wrong.

Yeah i just put two and two together today.......i never thought about it before.

[dustyk]

Now he was supposed to have psychic abilities and know who his next girlfriend was going to be before he met her?
not psychic abilities but live up to what he told the judge, after all these are his children not his pets. Seems Ronald says one thing and does another....whatever suits him at the time to get what he wants.JMO

[titanfan217]

Not jumping to Crystal's defense because she definitely has her faults... but you have stated several mistruths... she did not admit coke use during the pregnancy with JR it wa the pregnancy with haleigh so as you stated you should read the transcripts... and as far as missing his doctor appointment the day of court sh ehad rescheduled it because she did not want to miss court which is the same thing i would have done too.... and her not getting up for some of the appointments she blames on her being lazy. and as far as the pics she had up on myspace of her getting her make up done... that was from a tv make up artist not her own beautician... if you are going to be on tv you need makeup otherwise it makes for bad footage that is not her fault at all...especially in outdoors footage or bad lighting... the greae on someones forehead can be enough to blind the camera man if the light hits it right...LOL


I've wanted to comment on these doctor's appointments for quite awhile and this seems like a good spot.

Actually, I did not know about the conflict between court & one appointment until this weekend. In general, both doctors & judges that I've dealt with are cooperative when scheduling, if you are honest about a conflict.

In general and missed doctor's appointments, I've been through it over & over again with XDIL. She doesn't drive and refuses to take public transportation. I can't tell you how many appointments have been missed or canceled. That's in addition to the appointments where I've taken the child myself. It's just something you do when needed. On the other hand, I've been to/through a number of appointments that I shake my hand as to why we were there. But as long as RC was in the picture, he has just as much responsibility as CS.

On the same line, I wonder what kind of prenatal care CS had and whether she made her appointments. I've seen the same pattern -- not going & not taking proper care for the baby's health.

[dustyk]

that has nothing to do with it, he was not living with Misty at the time, and I am sure grandma was helping him. but when Ron took up with Misty do you think Grandma might have said ok, you guys want to play house, then play house, take care of the kids, too, Misty can't just party with you and party while you work and I/we take care of the kids. I'm just saying that her good intentions may have boomeranged, but we have all had that happen.

so, do YOU think that if Ron had been home that night and Misty had not been brought back from her three day party that Haleigh would still be there?
Well I am a grandma and if i had stood on the side of my son in court and heard him tell the judge that i would help him with the children, I don't think I would have been to too keen on him moving out with a 16 yr old and playing house at my grandchidren's expense.JMO I mean what else needs to happen to convince anyone this was a bad idea? JMO

[dustyk]

I read the document. He never told the judge his mother was going to help with the kids until they were grown and gone. The judge also never put a time limit on it. The courts don't expect or demand a person to not have outside relationships.
please Bookie, he did give him that impression, and surely the courts don't expect you to leave your children in the care of a 16 year old druggie. That is a relationship I am sure the courts didn't expect IMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Which brings into question how well Amber was treated when she was with Ronald and if she had prenatal care since she was with Ronald at the time she was pregnant and had her baby.

Amber she did look clean, healthy and sober when she was with Ron.

[FallenAngel♥]

Please provide a link in which Marie "bad mouthed" Ronald Cummings.
TYIA

Diamond,...You might want to go back and watch the video and read the links where Marie apologizes to Misty and Ron for some things she said in the first week.

[dustyk]

Marie was totally wrong IMO to bad mouth Ron, whether she thought he was a snake in the grass or not. IMO she was probably a major source of contention between Crystal and Ron, but I wonder if anything Crystal ever did was good enough for her mother. Marie should have waited to see how things were going to play out before she ever opened her mouth, but I doubt that much stops her, IMO.
in your opinion she was wrong however I feel she was justified. IMO When you feel that your child was abused you don't wait to see how things play out. Do you think Marie had children to have the likes of Ronald Cummings abuse them. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

How long did she stay with Ronald after their baby was born? Are you thinking he doped her up after the birth?

JA

I have no idea who long they were together after the baby was born. Sorry.

and Ron's not in her life right now why is she doing drugs?

[FallenAngel♥]

FYI......

There are more lies in domestic court than anywhere in the world. Couple talk about the same relationship they shared from their perspective and it does not sound like the same relationship at all from each parties side.

There are not investigators to present a case before the judge in domestic court unless it is a high profile celebrity case and a PI is hired by the parties involved.

I surmise that Ronald Cummings lied and Crystal did not have an attorney therefore she was taken for a fool and the judge did not care.

MOO


So do you agree it sounds like Crystal did drugs while she was pregnant with JR?

[dustyk]

so what would your feelings be if she had NOT been Ron's GF, but simply the babysitter he hired to watch the kids while he worked?

Grandma may well have been tired of the whole situation and wanted some of HER life back, and when they found a place and moved in together, she might have thought, well, this might work.
You mean a babysitter that didn't just come off of a drug binge. Is it just me or would anybody trust there grandchildren in a situation like this. I mean like I said what else needs to happen here. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

The second court case Crystal had a lawyer..............I think people forget that.

[dustyk]

The second court case Crystal had a lawyer..............I think people forget that.

Didn't forget that It has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing

[FallenAngel♥]

Could it be that she is an addict now?

oh yes she is and IMO it has nothing to do with Ron. There is no proof she was on drugs when she was with Ron. Even her grandmother said she's changed since her and Ron broke up.

[FallenAngel♥]

Didn't forget that It has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing

dusty, Diamond and i were talking about the court case where Crystal basically admitted doing drugs while pregnant with Jr.

[FallenAngel♥]

Haleigh’s maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, believes Haleigh is still alive and regrets criticizing Cummings and Croslin earlier during a TV interview.

"I'm too old to be criticizing the two, because they're still babies," she said, referring to 25-year-old Cummings and 17-year-old Croslin. "I feel maybe I've done some damage to Misty's heart, and I can't live with myself for doing that.

"The Lord knows that I want to apologize ... and I want to do it face to face," Griffis said.


http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140298/0/gators04

[bama__angel]

wellI agree with you on this.... but how about all the unfounded dcf claims.... do you expect them to admit now they were wrong... dcf does not like to get caught with egg on their face and this one is a big egg... not saying that they should have been founded but what if dcf now realizes that they were wrong do you really expect them to admit it?
and if they take jr now then they are admitting that because what happened is exactly what crystal claimed... ron always leaving hleigh with people and that he did not think ron provided adequate supervision which i think we can all agree on



So you are implying that DCF would leave Jr. in a dangerous situation to cover their own a$$e$ because they made a mistake in their initial investigations concerning Haleigh and Jr. I am sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with you concerning this.....All eyes are on DCF at this time...IMO whatever their findings are it will be legit and in the best interests of Jr.

[dustyk]

dusty, Diamond and i were talking about the court case where Crystal basically admitted doing drugs while pregnant with Jr.
That's stretching the truth she said about a year, obviously she didn't remember the exact date. Who can say if it wasn't a year and 4 months. JMO

[calamitygirl]

not psychic abilities but live up to what he told the judge, after all these are his children not his pets. Seems Ronald says one thing and does another....whatever suits him at the time to get what he wants.JMO

Anyone remember when he said this to the judge??? TIA

[FallenAngel♥]

That's stretching the truth she said about a year, obviously she didn't remember the exact date. Who can say if it wasn't a year and 4 months. JMO

LOL you might want to read the transcripts.

Judge even asked her are you sure it wasn't like a year and half ago and she said NO a year ago. So that means...........she was pregnant :(

[FallenAngel♥]

That doesn't mean that he did not provide the drugs and get her started on the drugs when they were together. No one arrested as many times as Ronald has been can claim that they have never used drugs. Ronald lied about that. He uses drugs just like all the females he has been with did.

MO

but we have NO proof Amber was on drugs when she was with Ron so it's just a RUMOR and you know how CW feels about Rumors?

[dustyk]

Did you see the word maybe at the beginning of that sentence? Or the question mark at the end? It was a question.

Not all cases of perjury are prosecuted but not all are ignored. In this case Ron had a document showing he passed a DCF drug test after the wreck that Crystal claimed he was on drugs. If her brother, cousin or whoever had testified that Ron was on drugs the judge could have charged them with perjury.
This is just laughable..There are so many ways to beat a drug test in this day and age and I am sure he knows how. random testing is done here at work and employees laugh about going to the health food store before they go to the lab. JMO

[bama__angel]

That doesn't mean that he did not provide the drugs and get her started on the drugs when they were together. No one arrested as many times as Ronald has been can claim that they have never used drugs. Ronald lied about that. He uses drugs just like all the females he has been with did.

MO


I dont understand why Ron should be held accountable for anyone's drug use but his own......Each and every one of us are accountable for our own actions.....A 6 year old can tell you now why the use of drugs is stupid and dangerous...IMO

[dustyk]

LOL you might want to read the transcripts.

Judge even asked her are you sure it wasn't like a year and half ago and she said NO a year ago. So that means...........she was pregnant :(
If you say so IMO. still doesn't have anything to do with what happened to Haleigh when she was in the care of the better parent IMO

[FallenAngel♥]

If you say so IMO. still doesn't have anything to do with what happened to Haleigh when she was in the care of the better parent IMO

Dusty,....what does Ron paying child support to Ambers baby have to do with Haleigh being missing?

[FallenAngel♥]

You should take your own advice, Angel. You are the one that brings the accusations of Ronald's EX's drug use to the board without proof.

ummm diamond its in the court records. that's proof. :thumbsup:

[dustyk]

Dusty,....what does Ron paying child support to Ambers baby have to do with Haleigh being missing?
O.K. so neither one of the back child support cases is important right.JMO

[dustyk]

actually if you read the court motion and not the transcript ...the one where crystal claims about 20 reasons why she hsould have custody you will see the opposite that either crystal was dead on with her description of him and his parenting skills or she has the best ESP ever
ITA she does know him

[FallenAngel♥]

O.K. so neither one of the back child support cases is important right.JMO

cases??? ..... In reality no one knows who the father of Ambers baby is. so how could there be a case?

Crystal on the other hand was behind 4000 in child support. and we've all seen what some fathers do when they are behind :(

[dustyk]

I'm sorry but your post makes no sense. DCF previously ruled Ron wasn't abusive but you ask if they should admit they were wrong because of unfounded claims? If the claims were unfounded then they weren't wrong when they decided Ron wasn't abusive and left the kids with him.
makes perfect sense to someone with an open mind JMO

[dustyk]

cases??? ..... In reality no one knows who the father of Ambers baby is. so how could there be a case?

Crystal on the other hand was behind 4000 in child support. and we've all seen what some fathers do when they are behind :(
Let's see Misty said RC was the father, Amber said rc was the father, amber's grandmother says he is the father and RC didn't deny it, JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Sarah's was private from 1 week after the incident most likely because she was sick of all the friend requests...
what about the croslin's like chelsea and SPM they changed their names on there so that no one can even find theirs.. but that's different tho right?

How do you know what Sarah's intentions *most likely* were? I certainly was able to access her myspace for a longer period of time than you are suggesting.

What proof do you have on the Croslin family and who are the players you are accusing if you will?:confused:

JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

page 22 and 23 is about Crystals drug use

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

That was December 27, 2005

and Jr was born Feb. 15th 2005

so since Jr was only 10 months old that means she was doing drugs when she was pregnant with him IMO


:thumbdown:

[FallenAngel♥]

Baloney. She wanted people to think it was from drugs or she wouldn't have added that unnecessary explanation.

Yep and then a few days later Marie had to publicly apologize to Ron and Misty.

[CANDYKISSES]

She stated in court that the last time she used cocaine was about a year before the hearing. Jr was around 6 months old at the time of the hearing so doing the math according to her the last time she had used cocaine was when she was about 3 months pregnant with JR, NOT Haleigh per the court transcripts.

Bad footage should have been the least of her worries but that wasn't the point about the MySpace picture. The caption under it was the point.

Was the caption something you can post here bookie?:confused:

[CANDYKISSES]

No, dasiy, it is not harsh. There are too many "what if's" on the board that people log in and take away as the truth. There is not any margin for what if.

You ask where that would lead us.....it leads to rumors.

Now that you mention it, where is proof of the paternity concerning Amber's child? JMO:w00t:

[FallenAngel♥]

OR it means that she did not know she was pregnant and stopped when she found out she was. OR it means that she was confused with her time frame. It can get scary in front of a judge for someone as young as she was at the time. That is why she needed an attorney.

But tell me Angel, how does all that relate to Haleigh's disappearance when Ronald Cummings left his children with a known drug using, road running teenager on the night in question?

MO

at 7 months pregnant with Jr she didn't know?
were we talking about Ron and Misty? no matter how you want to spin things diamond everything in this case is not about Ron and Misty.
so did she do drugs AFTER she had jr?

[FallenAngel♥]

Apology, call for unity on Day 5 of search
(12:45 p.m.) Marie Griffis, Haleigh Cummings' maternal grandmother, said Saturday that she wants to apologize to both Misty Croslin and Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, for raising suspicions with the media earlier concerning their possible involvement in the 5-year-old's disappearance.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/articles/902140964


And that was on day 5. Can't get much earlier than that.

Exactly...........Crystals family started the mud slinging right away and it got worse after kim came on the scene IMO

[FallenAngel♥]

At this point, it is in Ronald Cummings corner to disprove it since Amber stated that his name is on the birth certificate and we know that he had to acknowledge paternity in order for his name to be on the birth certificate, yet he has not released a denial through his attorney, now has he? No. He has not.

Again, how is Amber's innocent child related to Haleigh's disappearance from Ronald Cummings home while in the care of his teenage drug using, road running baby sitter?

JMO

why do you keep asking who other people are related to haleigh's disappearance from Ronald Cummings home while in the care of his teenage drug using, road running baby sitter?

Should we ONLY talk about Ron and Misty?

[CANDYKISSES]

As for Crystal.....


Number one and a biggie is putting Jr on national tv and coaching him to say what she wanted him to say. Not a very good parental action.

Then there is her telling NG that she never saw Ron hit the children then voila.....the next night she tells her old buddy Geraldo that she saw Ron hit the kids.

And lets talk about fake tears. She wins hands down for her perfomance during the last press conference when she was dabbing at dry eyes. She couldn't even eke out a single tear. The hankie should have stayed in her pocket because it was wasted.

AMEN BOOKIE, she seems to struggle getting a tear out and to be like Marie....:wink:sometimes people take drugs and lose the ability to feel emotion, but I am not saying that's what prevents Crystal from showing real emotion when it comes to her child. JMO tho. :sad:

[dustyk]

Baloney. She wanted people to think it was from drugs or she wouldn't have added that unnecessary explanation.
Majority of folks would have figured that out for themselves. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Diamond have you seen the babys bc?
If not how do you know Ron's names really on there?
and i'm sure if Amber thought Ron was the father she would ask for child support.

[dustyk]

AMEN BOOKIE, she seems to struggle getting a tear out and to be like Marie....:wink:sometimes people take drugs and lose the ability to feel emotion, but I am not saying that's what prevents Crystal from showing real emotion when it comes to her child. JMO tho. :sad:
I guess it is true that two people can see the exact same thing and have different opinions... Crystal has always shown emotion IMO

[FallenAngel♥]

And in Ronald's case drugs caused him to go from one extreme emotion to another as we have seen him do on video after video before he went into hiding. Then cut off all emotion, calmly stand up, announce, "I'm done" and walk away.

Prime example of drugs in action.

MO

i'm confused when did Ron stand up and say i'm done? i thought Misty did that..... :unsure:

[dustyk]

Diamond have you seen the babys bc?
If not how do you know Ron's names really on there?
and i'm sure if Amber thought Ron was the father she would ask for child support.
Not that it matters but what more do you need? Misty admitted to it and AMber did, so did Amber's grandmother, Ronald didn't deny it, so why do you? JMO

[dustyk]

i'm confused when did Ron stand up and say i'm done? i thought Misty did that..... :unsure:
That was way back at the beginning FA in the falling on the ground video JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Yes, she has. She is devastated.



Where is Crystal now? Does she plan on running the HBC or is she done with it?

[CANDYKISSES]

At this point, it is in Ronald Cummings corner to disprove it since Amber stated that his name is on the birth certificate and we know that he had to acknowledge paternity in order for his name to be on the birth certificate, yet he has not released a denial through his attorney, now has he? No. He has not.

Again, how is Amber's innocent child related to Haleigh's disappearance from Ronald Cummings home while in the care of his teenage drug using, road running baby sitter?

JMO

He stated it was "possible" IIRC. After reading about the wild times and hearing from some of the players, I would not feel confident about any of those young women alleging paternity. But that is JMO.

So, you are unable to provide a link to a DNA test confirming Ronald Cummings as the father?

Nice try, but no cigar on your last paragraph. You were the one factually stating the paternity of Amber's child, not me. Again, there is no proof and that is why he answered the way he did IMO. :sneaky:

You have no idea where the key players were on the night of HALEIGH CUMMINGS ALLEGED ABDUCTION and MISTY has maintained she was with the children IIRC. If you have a link to her telling LE she left HALEIGH and/or JUNIOR alone that night, I would like to see it.

I stand on the idea LE would have tightened the reigns on Misty if there was SOLID PROOF she was not there on the night Haleigh disappeared. JMO tho. :thumbup:

[FallenAngel♥]

That was way back at the beginning FA in the falling on the ground video JMO

oh yeah , the one with Crystal hugging all over Ron and saying he was such a great father. I remember that now.

[FallenAngel♥]

Not that it matters but what more do you need? Misty admitted to it and AMber did, so did Amber's grandmother, Ronald didn't deny it, so why do you? JMO

where did i deny anything? :laugh:

[CANDYKISSES]

Where is Crystal now? Does she plan on running the HBC or is she done with it?

Last thing I heard Crystal had returned to BAKER COUNTY. I think Kim is still trying to breathe life into the purple building by claiming she will staff it with someone. I don't trust Kim as far as she can be thrown but wouldn't count her out for a reality TV spot. JMO again. :sneaky:

[dustyk]

I find that hard to believe. My husband sliced his hand open at work. He was taken straight to the dr's office. Since it was work related he had to submit to a drug test. The nurse escorted him to the bathroom, made him leave the door open and watched him give a smaple.

When I was hired by my previous employer I had to take a drug test as well. When it was my turn I had to empty all of my pockets into a basket while a nurse stood watching. It was then placed inside a locker with my purse. I wasn't even given the key to the locker until after I gave a sample.

I have heard of people wearing bandaids with bleach on it that they then hold under the stream of urine but I've also heard of people getting caught trying that. The only successful ways I've heard of beating a test include drinking certain liquids for a few days before testing.

Ron was tested the morning after the accident. I doubt there was anything that would get drugs out of his system that fast.
You'd be surprised...DCFS probably told him to report the next day and he had plenty of time to make sure he passed that test. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

IF Ronald's name was not on that birth certificate after she said it was it would be all over the world wide web to bust her out as a liar. That has not happen. Ronald and company have not made a public denial or proven that his name is not on it.

Ronald does not have a job and rarely works at all. How is she going to get child support? Besides, we don't know if there is an order for support and he is just not paying it. But you don't want to hear that. You would rather believe the baby is not his and excuse his failure to support his child. How convenient.

MO

Why wouldn't i want to hear that?
IF Ron's the father i feel he should pay child support or go to jail.
i'm NOT on team Ron or team Crystal. I think they are both HORRIBLE parents and shouldn't have custody of any of their children.

[dustyk]

Last thing I heard Crystal had returned to BAKER COUNTY. I think Kim is still trying to breathe life into the purple building by claiming she will staff it with someone. I don't trust Kim as far as she can be thrown but wouldn't count her out for a reality TV spot. JMO again. :sneaky:
What do you have against the purple building...this thing seems to be getting personal JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Bless Crystal's heart for doing that. She is such a kind hearted forgiving soul.

or all those drugs messed up her memory.......MOO

[dustyk]

Misti was Amber's babysitter and her grandmother is well..her grandmother. Their saying it is only proof that Amber told them Ron is the father. BTW, Ron never confirmed it. His answer was "possibly".
o.k. Bookie but that sounds ridiculous. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

What do you have against the purple building...this thing seems to be getting personal JMO

Talking about the purple building where is Crystal. Does she plan on keeping the place open?

[CANDYKISSES]

IF Ronald's name was not on that birth certificate after she said it was it would be all over the world wide web to bust her out as a liar. That has not happen. Ronald and company have not made a public denial or proven that his name is not on it.

Ronald does not have a job and rarely works at all. How is she going to get child support? Besides, we don't know if there is an order for support and he is just not paying it. But you don't want to hear that. You would rather believe the baby is not his and excuse his failure to support his child. How convenient.

MO

While it hasn't HAPPENED yet, Ronald Cummings has stated it's "possible" he could have another child.

IF he is the father of her child, she could have been seeking benefits before this all happened and he was working at that time IIRC. I keep remembering some interview that spoke about the child and SSI along with a grandmother taking care of the child.

Anyone else remember this? JMO

[lizzard]

I had an ex employee tell me that when he was randonly drug tested before he could be cleared to work on a big job he simply went into a public bathroom in a fast food joint on his way to the lab, paid someone $5 to pee in a condom he kept in his wallet for these very occasions, put it under his armpit and poured it into the receptacle when he had to submit his sample, no one watched him.

ITA it is totally easy to pass a drug test when in fact you are doing/have recently done drugs.
my bold
o/t

That doesn't sound too smart. Wouldn't he have been taking the chance that the 'donor' was not clean?

imo

[dustyk]

Talking about the purple building where is Crystal. Does she plan on keeping the place open?

Can't answer that, anything I would say would be rumor and we know how CW feels about rumors. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

o.k. Bookie but that sounds ridiculous. JMO

How does that sound ridiculous? Do you know everyone Amber slept with? I sure don't and Ron probably doesn't either.

[dustyk]

Unless Misti or Mary were in bed with Ron and Amber they have no way of knowing with 100% certainty who the father of the baby is. All they can go by is what Amber says.
Whatever floats your boat. JMO

[dustyk]

It has nothing to do with floating boats.

It has nothing to do with anything, It doesn't seem to bother Ron why does it bother you so much JMO

[titanfan217]

short answer because he has stood behind every single one of her different statements

AND he's given different versions of what she told him the night that Haleigh went missing.

[CANDYKISSES]

And yet, here it is almost four months later and Ronald and Misty are still suspected. Not because of Marie. She does not have that power. But because of Ronald and Misty's actions since Haleigh disappeared.

MO

None of the family members have been cleared IIRC. Do you have a link to any family member being cleared? :confused:

Not Crystal, not Chad, not Marie or Johnny, not Teresa, not GGM Sykes, not Ron and Misty.

So what are you basing your "SUSPECTED LIST" on?????:confused:

[dustyk]

have we thought that at the time of the Judge's order Ron's mother was helping with her grandchildren. Even in our real life each day is a new one. Not yesterday and not tomorrow. None of us know what will come our way tomorrow and Ron's days would have been exactly as ours.
Someone came into Ron's life and that was Misty. There is no way Ron or the Judge could have predicted his future or the changes to his life.
I have seen no clause in the judgement which states For ever and ever Ron must live with his mother and his mother will be the only one that may watch these children.
I choose to think the Judge would have thought down the road this man may find someone to share his life with. Common thoughts would tell us Ron would find a girlfriend..go an dates..move in with someone..
Life is this way.
Using the thought that the Judge would not have awarded custody to Ron unless he never married and unless he lived with his mother untill the children became of age and moved on with thier life is not reasonable thinking.
What's not reasonable thinking is that a judge would have approved of him sleeping with a 16 year old and leaving those children in her care after a three day drug binge.JMO

[titanfan217]

I had an ex employee tell me that when he was randonly drug tested before he could be cleared to work on a big job he simply went into a public bathroom in a fast food joint on his way to the lab, paid someone $5 to pee in a condom he kept in his wallet for these very occasions, put it under his armpit and poured it into the receptacle when he had to submit his sample, no one watched him.

ITA it is totally easy to pass a drug test when in fact you are doing/have recently done drugs.

The ones I like that tell you they are being tested 2 or 3 weeks from now. And that was for a police job.

[dustyk]

It must have something to do with anything since it was brought up to slam Ron.
How do you know what it was brought up for. Touchy aren't we JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

None of the family members have been cleared IIRC. Do you have a link to any family member being cleared? :confused:

Not Crystal, not Chad, not Marie or Johnny, not Teresa, not GGM Sykes, not Ron and Misty.

So what are you basing your "SUSPECTED LIST" on?????:confused:

IMO they are ALL suspects............

[dustyk]

IMO they are ALL suspects............
nOw that I agree with JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

What's not reasonable thinking is that a judge would have approved of him sleeping with a 16 year old and leaving those children in her care after a three day drug binge.JMO

Have the LE confirmed the three day drug binge or is that still just a rumor?

[titanfan217]

Where is Crystal now? Does she plan on running the HBC or is she done with it?

It doesn't sound as if having HBC is all that productive.

[dustyk]

I've actually followed the conversation today, that's how I know why it was brought up. And no I'm not touchy, just observant and not afraid to post my opinion.
Actually I think I brought it up and unless you are psychic you have no way of knowing that.JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Where have you been, Angel? LOL

Watch the fall down on the ground, fake crying, whining, feel sorry for me Ronald Cummings pity act video again. At the end, after all that despicable acting, he calmly get up from the ground, looks directly at the camera and he said, "I'm done" and he walks away.

The next video you see Ronald on his knees in is when he is asking Misty to marry him at Chill's.

MO

i wasn't around here at the beginning of the case, i was still mainly on the Caylee thread. so i've forgot about a lot that happen at the beginning. but yessss now i remember the video or Ron kneeling and Crystal hugging him. and i have to be honest i'm not sure how i would handle things if the media was in my face 24/7. Specially when i'm falling apart.

and i'm still shocked Ron married Misty. That was the biggest bone head move in history IMO

[titanfan217]

Last thing I heard Crystal had returned to BAKER COUNTY. I think Kim is still trying to breathe life into the purple building by claiming she will staff it with someone. I don't trust Kim as far as she can be thrown but wouldn't count her out for a reality TV spot. JMO again. :sneaky:



"I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here" If they take Blago's wife, they'll take anyone.

[FallenAngel♥]

It's still an Art Harris special. :wink:

Just as i suspected.

[FallenAngel♥]

As well as one that NayNay, WBG said happen and that Art said on the last blog radio Misty had admitted too.

Apparently, it is true. No denial release from the attorney Ronald hides behind.

MO

I agree if it wasn't true Ron's lawyer would be out there saying something.

but if Ron hides behind his lawyer wouldn't you say Crystal does the same with her lawyer?

[FallenAngel♥]

Is that a distraction rumor you are promoting or do you have a link that Ronald Cummings has been cleared?

LE has not cleared Ronald Cummings.

LE hasn't cleared ANY of the family from what i've heard.



Am i wrong? IF so please correct me.

[dustyk]

I agree if it wasn't true Ron's lawyer would be out there saying something.

but if Ron hides behind his lawyer wouldn't you say Crystal does the same with her lawyer?
What does Crystal need to hide for? What matters is that Ronald left his children with her and Haleigh is gone. JMO

[calamitygirl]

Not that it matters but what more do you need? Misty admitted to it and AMber did, so did Amber's grandmother, Ronald didn't deny it, so why do you? JMO

Maury, Maury, Maury.

[CANDYKISSES]

SSI is because of the disability, isn't it? paternity of the father wouldn't have to be proven in that case, would it?

anyway, if she applys for benefits, like Bookie said, TANF, and told them she didn't know who the father was, they wouldn't start DNA testing every man she could remember that she slept with. But is that is what she did, that means Ron's name is NOT on the BC because she would have had to provide one to them.

SSI is also based on household income FYI. IF you are receiving support, I would imagine that has to be listed too.

http://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-eligibility-ussi.htm

You might be surprised at how many men social services will be willing to perform DNA tests on in the interest of a child when facing what could amount to eighteen years of support IMO.

While I agree that every man she ever slept with would be absurd,
I have heard of up to twelve men being tested for one child in the state of Maryland. :scared: JMO

It looks like Florida requires payment for scientific testing which surprises me, but they make it pretty easy regarding filing IMO. Perhaps this is a way of narrowing things down a bit, I really don't know.

http://www.flcourts.org/gen_public/family/forms_rules/983a.pdf

http://www.flcourts.org/gen_public/family/forms_rules/983e.pdf

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

You better go tell Putnam LE that because they don't appear to be focusing on Ron.

It sounds like diamond has solved the case. :blushing: Hopefully diamond is going to share this vast knowledge with LE, eh? :sneaky: JMO

[lizzard]

yeah well he wasn't the brightest bulb on the shelf

I guessed that! The term "ex-employee" gave him away:laugh:

[CANDYKISSES]

Maury, Maury, Maury.

OMG, I thought it was bad when JVM had to tell Art that nothing was confirmed, but now we are being told to believe whatever the ladies have to say.....:blushing: for diamond. JMO. :biggrin:

[dustyk]

It sounds like diamond has solved the case. :blushing: Hopefully diamond is going to share this vast knowledge with LE, eh? :sneaky: JMO
Now you attack a poster...not called for. IMO

[dustyk]

wow thanx CK I didn't realize they would go to that extreme
There suppose to go to that extreme but ask anyone who really knows if they are always that successful and how much more money they are willing to spend to tract down all of these deadbeats. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

IMO they are ALL suspects............

Yes, because as the infamous bounty hunter who walked out on a two million dollar movie deal says...."nobody's hands are clean"....:blushing:

I will agree with him on that one. :wink: JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

What does Crystal need to hide for? What matters is that Ronald left his children with her and Haleigh is gone. JMO

Ron left the children with Misty you mean .........


and Where is Crystal? she's went back home to her step/brother and daughter. Why did Cobra report her to DCF? and did she do drugs while she was pregnant with Jr?

[FallenAngel♥]

Yes, because as the infamous bounty hunter who walked out on a two million dollar movie deal says...."nobody's hands are clean"....:blushing:

I will agree with him on that one. :wink: JMO

yeah that's about all i agree with Cobra about.

i was really shocked that Crystal's no longer speaking to her father and i was even more shocked Kim asked Johnny to stop looking for Haleigh. Why would she not want anyone looking for Haleigh?

[dustyk]

Ron left the children with Misty you mean .........


and Where is Crystal? she's went back home to her step/brother and daughter. Why did Cobra report her to DCF? and did she do drugs while she was pregnant with Jr?
Crystal went back home to her fiance, no need to make it sound like incest or statutory rape, don't know why cobra reported her to DCF and she is the only one that knows if she did drugs when she was pregnant but still has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing.JMO

[JackiBlu]

I agree if it wasn't true Ron's lawyer would be out there saying something.

but if Ron hides behind his lawyer wouldn't you say Crystal does the same with her lawyer?

FA remember Ron's attorney made it clear he does not represent Misty. So he has no reason to clear up any rumors involving Misty.

JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

FA remember Ron's attorney made it clear he does not represent Misty. So he has no reason to clear up any rumors involving Misty.

JMO

ohhhhhhhhh very true Jacki. I had forgot about that.

[FallenAngel♥]

i don't know why maybe she read that it was being misconstrued... who knows in my opinion there was nothing wrong with her putting it up in the first place... and what was this alleged caption under it that i keep hearing about

If you saw that pic i'm sure you saw the caption :sneaky:

[lizzard]

yeah that's about all i agree with Cobra about.

i was really shocked that Crystal's no longer speaking to her father and i was even more shocked Kim asked Johnny to stop looking for Haleigh. Why would she not want anyone looking for Haleigh?

Maybe she's afraid he'll find her?

JMO
IMO
OMO
MOO

[FallenAngel♥]

Crystal went back home to her fiance, no need to make it sound like incest or statutory rape, don't know why cobra reported her to DCF and she is the only one that knows if she did drugs when she was pregnant but still has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing.JMO

i've never brought up incest or statutory rape and i've never heard Crystal call him her fiance. On GVS she called him her boyfriend.

and you need to read the court transcripts she said one year and that would be in the time line of her pregnancy with Jr.

are we ONLY suppose to talk about Haleigh being missing and not her family or their background?

[FallenAngel♥]

Maybe she's afraid he'll find her?

JMO
IMO
OMO
MOO

Yep ITA ..............I wonder how Crystal felt about Kim saying that to her father.

[carlybarly]

And in Ronald's case drugs caused him to go from one extreme emotion to another as we have seen him do on video after video before he went into hiding. Then cut off all emotion, calmly stand up, announce, "I'm done" and walk away.

Prime example of drugs in action.

MO


But you don't know this as fact, this is just your opinion here. You always post it as fact, even with the MO at the bottom, it still looks as if you are posting it as fact. and I will say that I did NOT automatically assume drugs was making him act the way he was or wearing the dark sunglasses. i've been around a lot of druggies in my days and each of them react and behaved differently on drugs. This is just stereotyping what you know or have seen of others on drugs and project that onto Ron saying he must have been.

And all this back and forth with Amber's baby and child support, I honestly don't care if he is or isn't the father. It has nothing to do with Haleigh and never did and none of them should have brought it up.

[FallenAngel♥]

I am not providing a link because I am sure you already have it somewhere but what Marie said was well we had heard he had spanked the kids but up until now everything was fine... not verbatim but pretty much .... how is that bashing Ron.... and to the people who question why crystal changed her opinion from one minute to the next it is because sh eassumed everything was fine until this happened... if she was so manipulative and spiteful as some here claim she was then why say in the first place that the kids loved misty?
kids love a lot of people doesn't mean that the people they love are responsible or even good people

Did you see the link i posted with Marie saying sorry to Ron and Misty? She admitted to bashing them.

[carlybarly]

I find this interesting:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/052609cummings_statement

I didn't hear about a civil case and wonder why Ron's attorneys felt the need to say they were not involved? I didn't even hear rumors of that so it puzzles me.

[dustyk]

I don't think LE has a legal problem with this and if DFCS did JR. would not still be in his custody.
for now..but they haven'tfinished investigating yet

[FallenAngel♥]

I find this interesting:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/052609cummings_statement

I didn't hear about a civil case and wonder why Ron's attorneys felt the need to say they were not involved? I didn't even hear rumors of that so it puzzles me.

Strange........I wonder what that's all about. I usually get emails when Ron's lawyer puts out press releases and i didn't get that one. :shrug:

[dustyk]

To some it seems as though it doesn't matter if Ron abuses Women, if he abuses children, just as long as no one bad mouths him. There are too many allegations made against him to ignore. IMO

[FallenAngel♥]

low self esteem... no self worth... trauma in her past....
probably the same reasons she hooked up with him in the first place IMO
seems to me Ron is the one with a history pattern in his girlfriends all young either on drugs or end up on drugs... IMO Crystal is the only one out of the 3 that we know of who has risen above that... and if you recall gm neeves stated misty is supposedly the best out of a long line of bad ones as far as being responsible with the kids... so by her own admission the other girlfriends who were around the kids were even worse

Oh i have no clue if Crystal has risen above anything. Specially since Cobra just reported Crystal to DCF.

[FallenAngel♥]

To some it seems as though it doesn't matter if Ron abuses Women, if he abuses children, just as long as no one bad mouths him. There are too many allegations made against him to ignore. IMO

I feel the same about Crystal. IMO they are both Horrible parents.

[dustyk]

I feel the same about Crystal. IMO they are both Horrible parents.
Hadn't heard that Crystal abused anyone but herself and I do feel that those allegations need to be investigated too. JMO

[Peaches]

I dont understand why Ron should be held accountable for anyone's drug use but his own......Each and every one of us are accountable for our own actions.....A 6 year old can tell you now why the use of drugs is stupid and dangerous...IMO


ITA.............I have been saying this from day one. Ron is not responsible for others decisions.

Just as many of us would not allow our children to tell us that so and so asked them to do something...........and this excuses them for making a bad decision...........NOT.

[dustyk]

How do you suppose that these teenage girls got these drugs if not from Ron. I agree he didn't force the drugs down there throat but I DO think he provided them.JMO

[dustyk]

IMO if DFCS had a problem with Misty being the care taker of Haleigh, they would have removed JR. STAT.
Unfortunately your opinion doesn't matter, they have to be sure every thing is done legally. JMO

[dustyk]

I can just imagine the custody hearing now
Your honor their little girl is missing after he left her with his 16 year old girlfriend who had just come off of a 3 day drug binge. Wonder what judge would leave the remaining child there.JMO

[Peaches]

And yet, here it is almost four months later and Ronald and Misty are still suspected. Not because of Marie. She does not have that power. But because of Ronald and Misty's actions since Haleigh disappeared.

MO


What? I have not heard that they are suspects........can you direct me where LE said that Misty and Ron were/are suspects?

TIA

[FallenAngel♥]

well you guys have the math right she would have been 3 months pregnant with jr but either she could have been estimating the time or she may not known she was pregnant right away... according to you she outright admitted she did drugs when she was pregnant and unless you can provide a link where this is proven other than your math i am not putting much weight to that....
when you are pregnant after 2001 there are mandated urine feces tests done of the baby before it is released from the hospital which get reported to dcf... if it were positive and she had used at all during her pregnancy it would have been as the feces is an indicator of drug use from pretty much conception and the urine is an indicator of how recent...then you better believe ron would have known and would have had the dcf report in hand at court that day.... have you seen any indications that the baby tested positive?
she was about 7 months pregnant. because Jr was 10 months old and she said she did drugs a year ago........

it's really a sad sad case.

[bama__angel]

How do you suppose that these teenage girls got these drugs if not from Ron. I agree he didn't force the drugs down there throat but I DO think he provided them.JMO


You have to be kidding right? Have you been around any teen age girls in the last few years?

[dustyk]

You are right and I am sure they were investigated and he was cleared,just like all the abuse allegations by Crystal or family member. What did the spokesman for PCSD say about the ex's calling in to get their ex's in trouble... Allegations are just that, no proof or Ron would have been charged.
Well I hope no one in your family is abused and nobody believes them, that is why so many women do not report it. So Sad and I see from this board how hard it is to go to court after being abused and noone believes you like he would punch you in the head in front of anybody. I don't blame Marie for one minute I would have trouble being within 50 feet of him after what he did to her daughter and now what is happening to her grand daughter. Marie is mild compared to some mothers. JMO

[dustyk]

she was about 7 months pregnant. because Jr was 10 months old and she said she did drugs a year ago........

it's really a sad sad case.
was it a year to the day, the week or the month or perhaps months, you know you can't be sure so why go there? JMO

[dustyk]

You don't think she is hurting her children when she abuses herself?? I have to disagree with your analysis.
Did she have her children with her when this happened? JMO

[dustyk]

The same way they are still getting them today. duh...
but they all have one thing in common RONALD CUMMINGS DUH JMO

[2boysMom]

As well as one that NayNay, WBG said happen and that Art said on the last blog radio Misty had admitted too.

Apparently, it is true. No denial release from the attorney Ronald hides behind.

MO

From what I remember, the only source about Misty's "3 day drug binge" was WBG and NN and I didn't find them credible. And is there a link to prove that Misty admitted to any of it? Also, do you have any proof that Ron knew about Misty's alleged binge when she returned and before he left for work? TIA

MOO

[FallenAngel♥]

What? I have not heard that they are suspects........can you direct me where LE said that Misty and Ron were/are suspects?

TIA

I thought the LE said the WHOLE world was a suspect. but i didn't see them say Misty and Ron's name alone. and Heck they haven't cleared Crystal. Is she a suspect also?

All i know is Mi and Lo aren't suspects :wink:

[2boysMom]

Is that a distraction rumor you are promoting or do you have a link that Ronald Cummings has been cleared?

LE has not cleared Ronald Cummings.

Do you have a link to prove that Ron and Misty are LE's top suspects, or is it just that they are YOUR top suspects?

[Peaches]

As well as one that NayNay, WBG said happen and that Art said on the last blog radio Misty had admitted too.

Apparently, it is true. No denial release from the attorney Ronald hides behind.

MO


He is not Misty's attorney...............so he will not release anything about to her.

[FallenAngel♥]

was it a year to the day, the week or the month or perhaps months, you know you can't be sure so why go there? JMO

well the Judge even tried to help her by saying could it have been TWO years ago and she said NO just a year :(

[dustyk]

I don't know you are the one stating she has abused herself and these abuses need to be investigated.. If she is doing drugs, which has been alleged by KP on PI, yes her children are hurting.
That is not what i said and you know it, great way to twist words and not worth responding to anymore. This should be the Ronald Cummings Fan Club. IMO

[FallenAngel♥]

That is not what i said and you know it, great way to twist words and not worth responding to anymore. This should be the Ronald Cummings Fan Club. IMO

I can't think of one person on this thread that LIKES Ron. I sure don't. In fact i can't stand him OR Crystal.

[2boysMom]

May I suggest that you read ALL the posts before you post questions so that you can comprehend the conversation.

Haleigh is missing from Ronald's home while Misty was suppose to be the children's baby sitter. The investigation begins with Ronald and Misty and LE has not cleared Ronald nor Misty. Since LE cannot get a clear time line from them it is a clear indication that LE cannot clear either of them.

NOW add about a drop of common sense and you can conclude that if they are not cleared then they are both still at the beginning of the "world as suspects" according to what LE has stated regarding everyone is a suspect. Because Haleigh disappeared on Misty's watch from Ronald's home.

MO

I'll ignore your insults and ask again, when has LE ever said that Ron and Misty are their TOP suspects? I've only heard that nobody has been cleared. Oh, and I'm not asking for YOUR version of common sense.

MOO

[dustyk]

So you are saying Ron is still getting all these girls drugs. You are not even making sense anymore. You are arguing to get the last word in and so I will give it to you. :wink:
Everyone give dusty a hand,.....> clapping
another childish way to twist words JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

I'll ignore your insults and ask again, when has LE ever said that Ron and Misty are their TOP suspects? I've only heard that nobody has been cleared. Oh, and I'm not asking for YOUR version of common sense.

MOO

I don't think Ron's a top suspect. LE have said over and over he was at work during the time line they are looking at. IMO Misty is the top suspect BUT that is ONLY MY opinion.

[CC I See]

I think that most of us have come to the agreement that we don't like this family, all of them, but that doesn't give us much to go on as to what happened to Haleigh the night she went missing. We do not have to approve or disapprove of any of them to talk about what happened that night.

LE needs to take Misty and sit her down with a pad and pencil and tell her to write down a time-line. Even if it isn't true, it will give them some indication as to what point the truth gets vague.

They should start at the time that Haleigh was picked up on the bus and then progress through the entire night. They have probably TRIED to do this but her story gets shaky and she contradicts herself and then they give up.

I would demand that she write it down, the whole story and then sign and date it. If and when it is proven that she has lied about anything, then they can charge her with lying and impeding an investigation.

Other cities in other state can do this. My question is this: what makes the state of Florida any different? This all stinks of some kind of cover up and it reeks.

As Marc Klass stated, "the truth never changes."

[FallenAngel♥]

Then use your own common sense. Where would you look first in the case of a missing child? The home where she disappeared in the care of a teenager that has told multiple tales and will not provide a time line of events? If you cannot get the correct information would you consider those persons your primary suspects or would you look half way around the world for a primary suspect? Two states away maybe? Two or three hours drive away?

Point being. They have not been cleared.

Here is a more important question to consider. WHY has Misty not provided a time line statement of the events of the night in question?

MO

Why hasn't Crystal been cleared yet?

[FallenAngel♥]

Speaking for myself, I have NO reason to dislike Ron and I respect any man that will fight for his children in a court of law in the state of FL. and win custody. Another little fact everyone has over looked. Crystal's attorney brought a code, can't remember, it is in his response.In the state of Florida the mother of children where there is NO marriage, the children are to be awarded to the mother. Now even with that law on the books, Ron the unmarried father in this case was awarded the children.
Ron with the help of his family has raised these little babies, which is not easy even for a mother ,who most agree have natural instinct's men do not posses, and looks like he has been a good father with what income he has. I am sure he could have provided more if he was in a higher income bracket, but you know, what counts is he took care and loved these children.. He looks like a very hands on father and these are the things that count with little children. Money can NOT by that.......

well i stand corrected.

[CC I See]

This is an excellent post in my opinion. I wish LE would do this if they have not.

You are right, we don't know what they have done yet we keep giving them our faith that they are actually doing something constructive. All they have said lately is that, "Misty holds the key." If she is holding the KEY then they had better find the door that it opens.

[titanfan217]

In a nutshell, Cobra is now aligned with J Sheffield. Both are down on KP. That blogger radio site is in a lovefest for Cobra. Cobra's bail bond license are suspened until the outcome of his arrest is determined. AH seems to waffling a little in his support of Cobra. TJ Hart seems to be toning down his rhetoric a little. Who knows what/where these players will be by this time next week. Main Stream Media still not involved. CS & Maria have gone back to Baker County. Stay tuned for further developments!!! JMO

Thanks (& to Tiffany, too).

Still haven't gone back & actually listened to Sunday's show. Not sure I will at this point.

[titanfan217]

I think that most of us have come to the agreement that we don't like this family, all of them, but that doesn't give us much to go on as to what happened to Haleigh the night she went missing. We do not have to approve or disapprove of any of them to talk about what happened that night.

LE needs to take Misty and sit her down with a pad and pencil and tell her to write down a time-line. Even if it isn't true, it will give them some indication as to what point the truth gets vague.

They should start at the time that Haleigh was picked up on the bus and then progress through the entire night. They have probably TRIED to do this but her story gets shaky and she contradicts herself and then they give up.

I would demand that she write it down, the whole story and then sign and date it. If and when it is proven that she has lied about anything, then they can charge her with lying and impeding an investigation.

Other cities in other state can do this. My question is this: what makes the state of Florida any different? This all stinks of some kind of cover up and it reeks.

As Marc Klass stated, "the truth never changes."


It sounds as if they need to get even more basic. Maybe a preschool teacher should sit down & talk with her.

[2boysMom]

[QUOTE=diamond*;13140322]Then use your own common sense. Where would you look first in the case of a missing child? The home where she disappeared in the care of a teenager that has told multiple tales and will not provide a time line of events? If you cannot get the correct information would you consider those persons your primary suspects or would you look half way around the world for a primary suspect? Two states away maybe? Two or three hours drive away?

Point being. They have not been cleared.

Here is a more important question to consider. WHY has Misty not provided a time line statement of the events of the night in question?

MO[/QUOTE

my bold

NO one has been cleared.

If LE is not stating by now who their top suspects are, yet are saying nobody has been cleared, then Ron is nowhere near top on their list of suspects. As far as Misty goes, they're not happy with her timeline, so she may be up there on their list. But, in my opinion, it's even more important to consider that it's pretty pathetic that LE and the FBI can't crack an undereducated, teenage druggie.

[marshmallow]

It's still an Art Harris special. :wink:

thank you. I've been trying to find it as fact not rumor and haven't been able to. I thought I'd missed something and was going to go reread to see what I'd missed.

[CC I See]

I agree with you again and you are right. I have been hearing from LE for a very long time that " Misty holds the Key " so, I am really concerned after all of this time if LE feels Misty does hold the key then why have they not straightened out her timeline, etc. I love your idea of having Misty write it down on a piece of paper for LE.

I do not hold Ron or Crystal responsible yet. I do in fact have my own concerns with Misty. I think mostly because of what LE has said " Misty holds the key".

If she holds the key, then she should not be taking care of Ron Jr. It's like calling someone a person of interest in a murder case but they don't have the evidence. Just becasue someone can not be proven guilty at that time, does not make them innocent.

[marshmallow]

As well as one that NayNay, WBG said happen and that Art said on the last blog radio Misty had admitted too.

Apparently, it is true. No denial release from the attorney Ronald hides behind.

MO



so it is just a rumor. Thank you too for helping me get to the facts or in this case, nonfacts.

this board is difficult to follow because of the fighting and biased posts.

[titanfan217]

I think that would still be too much for her. I have seen 5 year old children more articulate than she is. Sad what drugs will do to a teenage brain.

"uh uh uh and thats all I know", said Misty.

MO

Maybe a vet then? The one my cat had for years looked about her age and had some "heavy duty" conversations with him.

[CC I See]

In my opinion and alot is based on what LE has said " Misty holds the Key" I do not trust Misty. On the other hand I think it is a little rude to talk about Misty and her education.

We had a poster here a few months ago, stated that she worked with learning disabled children and teens. She said that Misty fits her testing model of a child who has a learning disability and needed special classes. I don't think that Misty is stupid, she just quit school instead of trying to learn what she needed to know and it is going to catch up with her.

[FallenAngel♥]

Can anyone give me one good reason why Crystal has not been cleared yet?

[FallenAngel♥]

Then she should have stayed in school instead of playing house.

Do you feel the same way about Crystal?

[marshmallow]

May I suggest that you read ALL the posts before you post questions so that you can comprehend the conversation.

Haleigh is missing from Ronald's home while Misty was suppose to be the children's baby sitter. The investigation begins with Ronald and Misty and LE has not cleared Ronald nor Misty. Since LE cannot get a clear time line from them it is a clear indication that LE cannot clear either of them.

NOW add about a drop of common sense and you can conclude that if they are not cleared then they are both still at the beginning of the "world as suspects" according to what LE has stated regarding everyone is a suspect. Because Haleigh disappeared on Misty's watch from Ronald's home.

MO



common sense means not shutting my eyes to any one side of anything so that I can calmly and in an unbiased manner follow a case. I know I'm not the only one trying to do that, it's just very difficult to do with rumors and anger clouding the board and the case.

I'm going to go read the legit links again to try to find out if the things posted are rumor or actual facts.

[bama__angel]

Am I on the help find Haleigh board?



I am LOL at this post, cause I read that by titan and I thought WTH? What is going on and what's this about a cat?

[bama__angel]

double quoting here as an after thought in high school i had a friend who smoked over a half ounce of weed a day and had to submit to random drug testing because he was on probation.....
all he ever did was eat "pork and beans" and tuna and he never failed 1 test... so for you to imply there is no way you can do something that quickly you are 100% wrong


And how many years ago has this been? Testing has improved.....IMO

[marshmallow]

Listen to blogtalk radio. A caller called in and asked the question and Art said that he had spoken to LE and Misty admitted that the weekend events are true. Art confirmed that Misty did not deny it.

source blogtalkradio.com 05/25/09 date



those callers could be anyone. I would never consider talk radio to be factual. Especially blogtalk radio. Anyone can call in and say anything they want.

I really don't see a LE involved with a case lof this magnitude cozying up to a blogtalk radio dude and not making an offical announcement. When LE says it, offically, then it's true. Right now it's merely rumor. Unless I missed the link to that LE presser. I know I've missed a few trying to read about this case the past two days.

[FallenAngel♥]

Absolutely. I think education is very important.

I feel the same way but i blame the parents.

[marshmallow]

We had a poster here a few months ago, stated that she worked with learning disabled children and teens. She said that Misty fits her testing model of a child who has a learning disability and needed special classes. I don't think that Misty is stupid, she just quit school instead of trying to learn what she needed to know and it is going to catch up with her.


that I tend to agree with as well. I see no reason for anyone to make fun of her or other young people who may not have done well in school. Seems cruel to ridicule someone for something like that :(

[FallenAngel♥]

I wish someone could come up with one great reason why Crystal has not been cleared yet.

[Pat]

Some information on Lortab, which Cobra says is Crystal's problem (according to the interview he did). I had never heard of it as an OTC drug that is abused. I thought he was shooting off his mouth.

I had dental work done this morning and my dentist gave me a prescription for Lortab, and because of the work done, gave me a prescription for 12 pills, (1 every 6 hours), but also stressed she wouldn't be giving me a refill because it is addictive. I asked her what it was, and she told me it was for moderate to moderately severe pain, It is a combination of acetaminophen and hydrocodone.

Naturally, as soon as I climbed out of bed an hour ago, I googled it. One of the side-effect of Lortab withdrawal for long-term users is seizures. You can become addicted to Lortab in just a few weeks.

A very good website that explains how Lortab affects the brain, withdrawal, side effects, and drug rehabilitation is here:

http://www.lortabaddiction.com/index.htm

I know there is a problem with drug addiction and prescription drugs. What I didn't know was how fast it can happen. You'd think drugs like this would be taken off the market. I understand (after reading the article) how it works on the brain, but surely there is something a lot less addictive out there that would work equally as well. This drug isn't even for severe pain...just moderate to moderately severe!

I thought Cobra was over-dramatizing the Lortab issue because I didn't know anything about it. It appears he isn't and I sincerely hope Crystal gets back into a drug treatment program where she can be monitored for withdrawal...from what I read, it isn't something you want to do without medical supervision.

[Lovethechild]

I find that hard to believe. My husband sliced his hand open at work. He was taken straight to the dr's office. Since it was work related he had to submit to a drug test. The nurse escorted him to the bathroom, made him leave the door open and watched him give a smaple.

When I was hired by my previous employer I had to take a drug test as well. When it was my turn I had to empty all of my pockets into a basket while a nurse stood watching. It was then placed inside a locker with my purse. I wasn't even given the key to the locker until after I gave a sample.

I have heard of people wearing bandaids with bleach on it that they then hold under the stream of urine but I've also heard of people getting caught trying that. The only successful ways I've heard of beating a test include drinking certain liquids for a few days before testing.

Ron was tested the morning after the accident. I doubt there was anything that would get drugs out of his system that fast.


No offense...But I drive school bus for a living. We have to have pre-employment, DOT every 2 yrs, post-accident, and Random drug testing. I have NEVER had anyone tell me to leave the door open while they watched me pee in a cup. The bathroom our clinic used has no sink and the toliet water is dark blue and the toliet tank is sealed shut(with red tape). We are told NOT to flush...the nurse does it.

I think the nurse just wanted to look at your hubby. :laugh:

[Lovethechild]

Maybe a vet then? The one my cat had for years looked about her age and had some "heavy duty" conversations with him.

Hope you switched Vets.

[calamitygirl]

Oh good, then it wasn't just me.

Hi sunrise. No it isn't just you. Sometimes I feel like I am on the "perfect lives of perfect people" show.

Its sad IMO, that people want people arrested and put away, just because they don't like the people they read about. They don't know the people personally. They don't care if they are innocent or not. Some even don't believe IUPG. But thankfully we live in a country where our opinions are free.

[calamitygirl]

I feel the same way but i blame the parents.

Its not always that way, FA. What do the parents do when the state lets your kids quit at 16, 17 yrs of age?

[Lovethechild]

I'm trying to stay neutral. If my life came under scrutny...I'd probably look awful. Even though I have no criminal record,no drug history, no CPS history, and No abuse allegations. How good would any of us look under a microscope???

[CC I See]

CC, if you don't mind, I will also add to your post, most children from problem homes that has NO role model and live in poverty really need more attention and one on one in learning...

You are quite right, they need lessons in morality, truthfulness and respect for others..They need a Role Model and in some dysfunctional families that is hard to find. The children suffer for it because they are not the number one priority in the family.

If Haleigh had of been at the top of Ron's list, he wouldn't have gotten married, got an expensive tattoo even if it was donated it took time away from his on the ground searches. He would also not have been so spaced out that he could speak clearly or search for his daughter. He would sit Misty down and demand the truth and not let her leave until he got it.

And to be fair, the same for Crystal, If she had been more in Haleigh's life she would have raised the roof over Misty moving in with Ron. She would have kept up with her problems with absences in school and she would have known about Misty's three day binge because gossip travels fast in that little town. And not to forget, she would have made sure that Haleigh and Jr. got their financial needs met by at least attempting to catch up with back child support when she could. If there was any drugs used by her, that money should have gone to the children and not up her nose.

None of this may have played any part in Haleigh's disappearance but it does give us a picture as to what was going on in Misty's mind. She was playing to win and the prize was Ron. Did Haleigh somehow get in her way?

[Themis]

Some information on Lortab, which Cobra says is Crystal's problem (according to the interview he did). I had never heard of it as an OTC drug that is abused. I thought he was shooting off his mouth.

I had dental work done this morning and my dentist gave me a prescription for Lortab, and because of the work done, gave me a prescription for 12 pills, (1 every 6 hours), but also stressed she wouldn't be giving me a refill because it is addictive. I asked her what it was, and she told me it was for moderate to moderately severe pain, It is a combination of acetaminophen and hydrocodone.

Naturally, as soon as I climbed out of bed an hour ago, I googled it. One of the side-effect of Lortab withdrawal for long-term users is seizures. You can become addicted to Lortab in just a few weeks.

A very good website that explains how Lortab affects the brain, withdrawal, side effects, and drug rehabilitation is here:

http://www.lortabaddiction.com/index.htm

I know there is a problem with drug addiction and prescription drugs. What I didn't know was how fast it can happen. You'd think drugs like this would be taken off the market. I understand (after reading the article) how it works on the brain, but surely there is something a lot less addictive out there that would work equally as well. This drug isn't even for severe pain...just moderate to moderately severe!

I thought Cobra was over-dramatizing the Lortab issue because I didn't know anything about it. It appears he isn't and I sincerely hope Crystal gets back into a drug treatment program where she can be monitored for withdrawal...from what I read, it isn't something you want to do without medical supervision.
Pat, thank you for your well written post, thank you for the link. Very interesting.

[JMO * Themis]

[calamitygirl]

I'm trying to stay neutral. If my life came under scrutny...I'd probably look awful. Even though I have no criminal record,no drug history, no CPS history, and No abuse allegations. How good would any of us look under a microscope???

I am sure that some would find something to pick you apart for, like your hairdo. lol

[Lovethechild]

I am sure that some would find something to pick you apart for, like your hairdo. lol

I sure hope not.:laugh:

[FallenAngel♥]

no actually she apologized if anything she said was taken out of context and since you are all so hung up on who said what first her claim that i made in this post about how they knew of spankings but that everything was fine was said way before that and after ron went around with his sob story of taking care of the kids all by themselves and that he always had

NO NO NO.........did you read the link i posted or did you watch the video? she did not say if anything was taken out of context..Good try though. :lol:

[FallenAngel♥]

Maternal grandmother Marie Griffis had criticized Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, and Cummings’ girlfriend, Misty Croslin, earlier in the week during a TV interview — creating a rift.

But on Saturday, Griffis apologized for her comments.

“I’m too old to be criticizing the two, because they’re still babies,” she said, referring to 25-year-old Cummings and 17-year-old Croslin. “I feel maybe I’ve done some damage to Misty’s heart, and I can’t live with myself for doing that.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964


I don't see anything about her words being taken out of context. That appears to be your spin on what she really said.
EXACTLY.......ty for posting this link again. I posted it earlier and i guess the other poster didn't read what i posted.

[apple+]

Its not always that way, FA. What do the parents do when the state lets your kids quit at 16, 17 yrs of age?

Don't the parents have to sign for a child to quit school at the age of16?

[FallenAngel♥]

do you have a link for that

Yes i do ..............Do you want it or something?
It was on the radio show this weekend.

[FallenAngel♥]

New Post


http://www.bloggernews.net/121019


Haleigh Cummings...Round and Round

[FallenAngel♥]

well that post i posted was based on either you or bookie original claim that jr was 6 months at the time and like i said do you have a link that either baby was not allowed to leave the hospital due to drugs being in their system... if not then i am assuming she was off on the time

I went and read the court transcript and i posted it Jr was 10 months old and she said the last time she did drugs was a year ago........ and they do not test for drugs in a baby unless they have a reason. So i have no clue if they tested Jr or not.

[CC I See]

You keep repeating"she holds the key". What key does she hold, you don't clarify that in any of your statement.

This is the quote from LE when they were talking about Misty a few weeks ago. It would be their news conference right after she and Ron got married and she walked out of the LE interview because they were rude to her. I am sure the link is on the links board and if someone has a direct link, I would sure appreciate it.

[calamitygirl]

Don't the parents have to sign for a child to quit school at the age of16?

Well, hello there.

Different states have different laws.

[FallenAngel♥]

yeah because she originally and inaudibly did say 2 years then said 1 so the magistrate clarified and she said mmm 1

wrong again LOL ..........have you read the transcript? the Judge asked her if it was two years and she said NO ONE YEAR.

[FallenAngel♥]

do you have a link for that

here you go. you might want to listen to what all cobra has to say about Crystal and Kim . and yes he talks about reporting Kim to DCF

http://www.bloggernews.net/120995

[FallenAngel♥]

What drug was she using, Angel?

i'm not sure. you can go read the transcript i posted earlier. they were talking about Cocaine but it could have been something else.

[apple+]

Well, hello there.

Different states have different laws.

Hello ..back at ya!

Miss me?...lol

Can you provide a link to FL law about the age of consent for a child to quit school? I thought 16 was the age for all states.

[FallenAngel♥]

page 22 and 23 is about Crystals drug use

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

That was December 27, 2005

and Jr was born Feb. 15th 2005

so since Jr was only 10 months old that means she was doing drugs when she was pregnant with him IMO


:thumbdown:

I'll repost this............YES they were talking about cocaine. She said it's been about a year and the Judge said TWO YEARS and Crystal says ...A YEAR....

[FallenAngel♥]

Have you ever seen a coke baby in withdrawal within hours of their birth?

yes ma'am i have...

but do we know how many times she did it while she was pregnant?

[calamitygirl]

Hello ..back at ya!

Miss me?...lol

Can you provide a link to FL law about the age of consent for a child to quit school? I thought 16 was the age for all states.

Of course I did, lol

No, no link. But I am sure someone knows.

[apple+]

I'll repost this............YES they were talking about cocaine. She said it's been about a year and the Judge said TWO YEARS and Crystal says ...A YEAR....

Ok, I have been reading for several pages and I can not believe everyone is still on this topic.

How does figurine out if Crystal was on Cocaine - YEARS AGO - have anything to do with finding Haleigh?

I would like to know if Misty has been interviewed lately - has anyone heard if she has or hasn't been.

If I remember right, Ron or Misty did not make it out this Holiday weekend to hand out flyers or anything did they?

[apple+]

Of course I did, lol

No, no link. But I am sure someone knows.

Well, in all honestly it has been a RELIEF to me. I done one of the smartest things I have ever done in my life - when I canceled out..kwim? I don't have to look at it anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think the age of 16 is for all states or children would just be up and quiting school all the time. So, I would think Misty's parents would have had to sign for her to quit school.

[CC I See]

Have you ever seen a coke baby in withdrawal within hours of their birth?

Yes, I have and they have to be sedated and gradually weaned off the coke if the exposure has been prolonged. It makes you want to find something and throw it through the parent's new car sitting in the parking lot. For the record, Child Protective Services is in the delivery room at least where I live and the child is handed over to them only briefly to indicate transfer of guardianship. The child is then taken to either the Nursery or NICU.

[FallenAngel♥]

Ok, I have been reading for several pages and I can not believe everyone is still on this topic.

How does figurine out if Crystal was on Cocaine - YEARS AGO - have anything to do with finding Haleigh?

I would like to know if Misty has been interviewed lately - has anyone heard if she has or hasn't been.

If I remember right, Ron or Misty did not make it out this Holiday weekend to hand out flyers or anything did they?

well we were all just talking about court records and all that and i started putting two and two together about her saying one year and jr still be young. but it has nothing to do with haleigh being missing just like Ron beating crystal has nothing to do with haleigh being missing.

and i have no idea if misty's been interviewed lately because the LE's being very tight lipped. BUT i think she needs to get off her rear end and tell the truth. I don't trust her one bit.

now about Ron passing out fliers. I have no clue.

I've also been wondering about the HBC...since Crystals gone home what will happen to the HBC? i think it will be closed down by the end of summer.

and i'm still very curious why Cobra reported Crystal to DCF.

[lizzard]

Hope you switched Vets.

:lol::lol:

[CC I See]

Ok, I have been reading for several pages and I can not believe everyone is still on this topic.
How does figurine out if Crystal was on Cocaine - YEARS AGO - have anything to do with finding Haleigh?

I would like to know if Misty has been interviewed lately - has anyone heard if she has or hasn't been.

If I remember right, Ron or Misty did not make it out this Holiday weekend to hand out flyers or anything did they?

(addressing the bold)

We are staying on topic because we have put Haleigh at the top of our priority list and know that fighting among ourselves is self serving and unproductive.

[FallenAngel♥]

Not in Florida, but they can NOT get their driver license or permit until they reach the age of 18. That is why Crystal could NOT get her license, Ron had nothing to do with not letting her. That was BS. Misty can NOT get her license either until she turns 18.. This law was passed with hopes it would keep kids from dropping out of HS.

they can have operators license at 16 and 17 i believe

http://www.flhsmv.gov/ddl/teendriv.html

[apple+]

Not in Florida, but they can NOT get their driver license or permit until they reach the age of 18. That is why Crystal could NOT get her license, Ron had nothing to do with not letting her. That was BS. Misty can NOT get her license either until she turns 18.. This law was passed with hopes it would keep kids from dropping out of HS.


I did not realize that - so thank you for telling me.

So, why is Ron letting Misty drive his kids to the school bus?

We live on a country road and my kids were not allowed to drive until they had their permit and then it was with my husband and I with them.

Well, they drove on our land to learn how to drive, but they were not allowed off of our hill - where the bus stops.

[calamitygirl]

Well, in all honestly it has been a RELIEF to me. I done one of the smartest things I have ever done in my life - when I canceled out..kwim? I don't have to look at it anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think the age of 16 is for all states or children would just be up and quiting school all the time. So, I would think Misty's parents would have had to sign for her to quit school.

Yea, I see some have taken the low road.

Twenty some years ago, kids were allowed to quit on their own at 17 without a parents sig. Could have been 16 with a sig. I personally don't know.

[FallenAngel♥]

Obviously not enough to cause Jr to be a coke baby and suffer withdrawals. Otherwise, she would have been charged.

So that puts that rumor to rest.

what rumor?
no one said she did enough to cause Jr damage.
i'm talking FACTS. do the math :thumbsup:

[apple+]

(addressing the bold)

We are staying on topic because we have put Haleigh at the top of our priority list and know that fighting among ourselves is self serving and unproductive.

You are kidding right? I have read pages and pages about drugs - NOT - Where could Haleigh be?

So, do you care to explain what Crystal being on drugs has anything at all to do with finding Haleigh?

[apple+]

You are mistaken and need a Ronald Cummings refresher course. He said something toward Crystal in every interview from the very beginning of the case. All before he married road runner.

I agree and LOL