Caylee Anthony

[msgatorslayer]

Something that has been bothering me for days now-

Did anyone else find it strange that a man claiming to be Patrick Bourgeois visits KC in the first days of her being arrested and this also happens to be the name of a 3 yr old that was murdered years back.

That visit has just never sat right with me.

We never found out about that man, did we? He was supposedly an old friend of Casey's, right? It was weird that he showed up. I didn't know that a child by that name had been murdered.

[AMS]

Something that has been bothering me for days now-

Did anyone else find it strange that a man claiming to be Patrick Bourgeois visits KC in the first days of her being arrested and this also happens to be the name of a 3 yr old that was murdered years back.

That visit has just never sat right with me.


That is odd. I forgot all about the Patrick visit. Did anyone ever figure out why he visited the OC?

imo

[Barbara fl.]

I agree IM4Truth.

it was ok with Cindy and George that her car was abandoned the end of June....with flies and maggots found in the car, it smelled like decomposition, and had not heard Caylee's voice since June 15th...that was ok as evidenced by the fact she went back to work. George reported for work (oh, lets take the battery out) as if casey was going to come home to get the car?

SHE LEFT THE CAR, didnt need it anymore, didnt need the carseat. didnt THAT even cross their minds that their daughter has a little toddler who is supposed to be in HER CARE, and she leaves her carseat ?

and all Cindy did was text her and say: problem with the car, call me?

the first thing Cindy did was make a false report to LE about a
stolen car and stolen money (I HAVE THE BANK STATEMENTS TO PROVE IT)....all in the name of trying to find Caylee? she did NOT call any of her friends. not one. Jesse, Christina, Annie, NONE OF THEM during those thirty-one days.

Lee the junior PI had no problem catching up with some of her friends on IIRC, July 3rd, thru ms or facebook, when Cindy sent him on a mission to track her down. he tracked her down, she never left the area, and then did nothing to find her.

really, how hard was it to find Casey? it wasnt. if she would have called one of those friends, they would have connected them with the name of the club. a clear start. that would lead to names and places.

IMO, and I say this in agreement with many other esteemed posters, she raged out of that house and IMO Caylee was battered to death. IMO, that is what happened. and I bet that Cindy saw Casey swipe at caylee before she left the home...

and that is why she cannot shut up with regard to 'protecting the secret' at every turn. the secret is Cindy hit Casey, then Casey hit caylee. that nite. therefore, Cindy is protecting HERSELF.

she had reason to call LE THAT nite, IF she witnessed her daughter drag Caylee out with rage and/or smacked her hard. but if Cindy was also doing some battering, she wasnt going to call anyone that nite on behalf of Caylee.

heck, with flies and maggots, she still didnt call the police right away. its all because of her getting physical with casey.......its "THE" secret.

which might turn into an allegation at trial. I can just hear the defense opening: which is not evidence:

"what if you hear that casey's mother attacked her on the evening of June 15th and Casey was so enraged she accidentally knocked her daughter, didnt realize until later that she was having a brain seizure and then she died".....

just a guess, but something along those lines.....and then no evidence will be forthcoming (because Casey isnt going to testify)....but they might use those neighbors who heard a rumble that nite.....for effect, of course.....

he need only say it once, during his opening.....plant the seed....the seed wont grow of course, it will be long forgotten once all of the evidence rolls in.....but it would be ironic to hear Casey point the finger back at the one person who was trying desperately to make it sound like she was helping HER...Im telling ya, two psychopaths are at work here....

the law is interesting: Casey could have confessed 'something' to Baez, but he is not obligated to reveal a confession, unless the defendant authorizes it.

But, he is well within legal boundaries to 'create a story' in his opening which might be one of those pesky half-truths the anthonys are prone to promote which will fall like a ton of bricks on their head.

so far, Casey is MUTE. IMO, she will remain mute, but she will use a different strategy to get the final word in against her own mother. you can bet she holds Cindy responsible for her 'losing control'.

the blame game.

IMO.

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*




Good morning all,

been out for a few days....

I love your post, Prudence, It makes a lot of sense (if we can get any sense out of this case)....I honestly believe that there was a hugh fight on the night of the 15th (there would have been one in my home also, had I found out that a child of mine stole from my parents)...However, I believe there were many fights in that home and Cindy is blaming herself for most of the violence.....But that is still no reason to cover up such an act...Many a home has fights in it....when raising children, it's hard not to have them...

My children never really saw any fights because I was a widow while they were still young, my granddaughter never saw even an arguement in the home because I raised her alone for 10 years....but most children are subjected to fighting in te home, and most parents don't think that it matters to the children.....soooo wrong...

But in the Casey case, I truly think that Casey was probably the problem child that created most of the fights in that home...She probably was given her way in most all the fights in order for them to keep a little peace in the home....AND then when Cindy had probably had it with her on the 15th and lit into her, Casey just couldn't take it....and then took it out on Caylee......But I will never believe that it was an accident, I believe she deliberately murdered Caylee to get back at Cindy (whom she had this love hate mother daughter relationship).....

I could be totally off here...but it's what I believe...

[Tornado]

We never found out about that man, did we? He was supposedly an old friend of Casey's, right? It was weird that he showed up. I didn't know that a child by that name had been murdered.

He claimed to be someone who went to school with KC but that has been proven not to be true. I have been searching his existence lately because the visit seems to stick out like a sore thumb. The murder IIRC was in 1996 and the little boy was beaten to death. Terrible story-

[msgatorslayer]

He claimed to be someone who went to school with KC but that has been proven not to be true. I have been searching his existence lately because the visit seems to stick out like a sore thumb. The murder IIRC was in 1996 and the little boy was beaten to death. Terrible story-

I had forgotten about it till you brought it up. Yes, it did stick out. No other friends, even current ones, went to visit her. Only her family. Then this guy showed up outta the blue.

[Tornado]

I had forgotten about it till you brought it up. Yes, it did stick out. No other friends, even current ones, went to visit her. Only her family. Then this guy showed up outta the blue.

Also there was a Frank Bourgeois that was listed on KC's visitor log that was a "no show"-

[101Spots]

I had forgotten about it till you brought it up. Yes, it did stick out. No other friends, even current ones, went to visit her. Only her family. Then this guy showed up outta the blue.

I believe that one other female friend showed up at the jail early on - can't remember which one - but the Princess refused to grant her an audience.

Or, I'm wrong.

[msgatorslayer]

It's been so long. So many details to try and keep up with. :tongueside:

[Barbara fl.]

I agree!

I may be wrong but I think personality disorder is by choice.
I am tired of labels being put on people for the way they act as if it is an excuse for their bad behavior. As in X made me do it.
Personal responsibility is exactly what it says IMO ...your choice to do right or wrong , to act nice or not, to even decide if today is the day you will clean house or stay on the internet LOL.



That is the very reason that Florida doesn't accept the insanity plea, Casey is to take full responsibility for what she did....Once she hid that body, the insanity plea went out the window.....


The Bates woman who drowned all her children is a perfect example of insanity....she did not try to hide what she did. And that is what got her the turn of conviction and classified as insane....

Susan Smith, tried to hide what she did, and we all know where she is...

Scott Peterson, tried to hide what he did also, and we all know where he is...

I believe they all had personality disorders, however when they know right from wrong, personality disorder does not come into play...and it is not a defense......Some people are just plain evil....have no conscience....only think of themselves.....and will destroy anything and anyone that comes in their way of (what they believe) their happiness...

[Tornado]

That is the very reason that Florida doesn't accept the insanity plea, Casey is to take full responsibility for what she did....Once she hid that body, the insanity plea went out the window.....


The Bates woman who drowned all her children is a perfect example of insanity....she did not try to hide what she did. And that is what got her the turn of conviction and classified as insane....

Susan Smith, tried to hide what she did, and we all know where she is...

Scott Peterson, tried to hide what he did also, and we all know where he is...

I believe they all had personality disorders, however when they know right from wrong, personality disorder does not come into play...and it is not a defense......Some people are just plain evil....have no conscience....only think of themselves.....and will destroy anything and anyone that comes in their way of (what they believe) their happiness...

Good morning Barb, hope that you got thru last nights storm ok, internet in tact. :thumbsup:

O/T - anything come up on the blue barrel the other day. I know you are watching it closely-

[Barbara fl.]

He claimed to be someone who went to school with KC but that has been proven not to be true. I have been searching his existence lately because the visit seems to stick out like a sore thumb. The murder IIRC was in 1996 and the little boy was beaten to death. Terrible story-


Good morning Tornado,

Was there a connection to that man and that child? And if he didn't go to school with Casey, how did she know him?

I remember hearing that this guy went to visit her, but never heard anything more about it.....

This does seem odd.....

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning Barb, hope that you got thru last nights storm ok, internet in tact. :thumbsup:

O/T - anything come up on the blue barrel the other day. I know you are watching it closely-


It did knock out the lights for a few...but nothing else....I just love bad weather, as long as I can get into the internet....it reminds me of up north.....I miss those snow storms, haven't seen one in 17 years....looking forward to go back...

I haven't heard anything more about the blue barrel, I guess they are waiting for the results first to see if it is infact Stacy....There is another woman that is missing under suspiscious circumstances in that same area......I gues that womans husband (can't think of the name) and Drew Peterson are the only ones that know for sure who it is...I guess the one who it is, is really sweating it out right now....:laugh:

[Tornado]

Good morning Tornado,

Was there a connection to that man and that child? And if he didn't go to school with Casey, how did she know him?

I remember hearing that this guy went to visit her, but never heard anything more about it.....

This does seem odd.....

I am not seeing anything that would give me reason to think that he was connected to this child other than the name. He kept trying to jog KC's memory by saying he was friends with Chris Walker-

I am not sure that she did know him, but he has Caylee listed as a friend on his either FB or MS. When I read that his name is the same name of a 3 yr. old that was murdered, and he happened to be visiting KC in jail it gave me a creepy feeling.

[Tornado]

It did knock out the lights for a few...but nothing else....I just love bad weather, as long as I can get into the internet....it reminds me of up north.....I miss those snow storms, haven't seen one in 17 years....looking forward to go back...

I haven't heard anything more about the blue barrel, I guess they are waiting for the results first to see if it is infact Stacy....There is another woman that is missing under suspiscious circumstances in that same area......I gues that womans husband (can't think of the name) and Drew Peterson are the only ones that know for sure who it is...I guess the one who it is, is really sweating it out right now....:laugh:

Well I will keep my fingers crossed that it is Stacy and she can finally be laid to rest.

After 11 yrs of being in Florida I have come to terms that I am never going to get over missing the North. Always going to be my home....

[Barbara fl.]

How long is long? I do not buy that they did not know for 31 days. I think they were worried after a few days - I think they knew after 2 weeks.
The clean up job and them all being in alliance took time too.
IMHO I would not be surprise that they knew by July 1st and that they waited to get the call for the car to make the 911 calls.

I really do not think they knew Caylee was dead until they smelled that odor in that car...then when they were able to find Casey and there was no Caylee to be found they coupled it together and had to have known that Caylee was deceased...They may have been hoping against hope that it wasn't true...and was desperately trying to get some info out of Casey that would lead them to believe that Caylee was alive....

When George made that statement that "if Caylee is deceased then they also lost Casey"...it was certainly an indication that they knew Caylee was dead....they may have been praying that if it was so, then it was an accident.....but as time went on they had to realize the trouble associated to this murder.....so much so, that they couldn't even focus on grieving for Caylee by being too worried what was going to happen to Casey....

Then they felt that they had no choice but to defend their daughter.....(which was the worst thing that they could have done)....they should have made her tell the truth instead of trying to cover for such a horrible thing......jmo

[Barbara fl.]

I am not seeing anything that would give me reason to think that he was connected to this child other than the name. He kept trying to jog KC's memory by saying he was friends with Chris Walker-

I am not sure that she did know him, but he has Caylee listed as a friend on his either FB or MS. When I read that his name is the same name of a 3 yr. old that was murdered, and he happened to be visiting KC in jail it gave me a creepy feeling.

Your right...and that's not too common of a name......

[Barbara fl.]

Well I will keep my fingers crossed that it is Stacy and she can finally be laid to rest.

After 11 yrs of being in Florida I have come to terms that I am never going to get over missing the North. Always going to be my home....

I will too....But i'm glad that he's in jail for the third wife's death...this will certainly add to his conviction.....so either way he will be going...

[Barbara fl.]

have to start dinner....back in a few

[Ahava]

I keep remembering LK asking Cindy & George why she thought the public hated (my word) them so much. I see Cindy in her soft voice (gag) saying she doesn't know.
The bird she shot in court shows her character & I hope people that matter saw that.

Some one said it was far worse then a bird. it was 3 fingers in the sahpe of an "E" And told me what it means
:blushing: I cant even repeat it the way they told me, but it means up yours in 2 places simultaneously.

[WillowInFlight]

I just found this old video, I hope Cindy sees this specially after seeing the email she sent to one of our posters bringing Jesus into it.

A Message From God To The Anthony Family

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DD98JW6k-U&feature=related

[spiritwolf46]

GOOD morning all!How is everyone this beautiful morning?

Are there any Legal Eagles here this morning? I wanna send an email to SINdy and need an opinion! ;)

[BJames]

Good morning to all :smile:

When I reflect back to the 'beginning' of this case I can remember feeling as tho George and Cindy were trying to build a case in order to get custody of Caylee.
I remember George saying..'...she was out until 2 or 3 in the morning...sometimes she didn't come home'...'she partied all the time....'we' took care of Caylee most often...'...and then it changed.
Somewhere in there they went from....'look we are the real parents to Caylee and Casey is just a party girl'...to..'mother of the year...'.
I have always felt that the 'reality' in that family unit was/is dictated by Cindy, as long as they all fell in line behind her things were great. It's the 'us vs them' again, and I believe it has been that way in that unit forever. They 'handle' situations within the boundaries of their walls...even LE has no say in Cindy's eyes...she will decide what is reality for the Anthony family. I think there is a part of Cindy that is freaking out right now...she has lost some control and there is a wild card that she isn't being able to 'control' for maybe the first time in her life.
That 'wild card' isn't speaking to her right now and Cindy is running blind to make it look like she is protecting Casey...probably in fear of what will indeed become known about the fortress that she has fought so hard to create an image of for other folks...including her own 'family'.
I think Cindy would rather die than have folks know that her perfect family...isn't so perfect after all...that's a long way down to fall for her.


Just my opinion of course...

[lizzard]

Good morning everyone. Hoping the space shuttle can land in Florida today!

The Tale of King George and Queen Cynthia, Part VI

http://motherclucker.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/the-tale-part-vi/


The Spaniard...Jose Bandito :laugh:

imo


Thanks, what a way to start the morning!
Can't wait for Lenny to be brought to the dungeon:laugh:

[Lavinia]

I agree!

I may be wrong but I think personality disorder is by choice.
I am tired of labels being put on people for the way they act as if it is an excuse for their bad behavior. As in X made me do it.
Personal responsibility is exactly what it says IMO ...your choice to do right or wrong , to act nice or not, to even decide if today is the day you will clean house or stay on the internet LOL.

Good morning trich. I have to respectfully disagree with you on labeling people with personality disorders. I don't see that it in any way mitigates what the person with a PD does criminally. As a matter of fact, seems to me, we're all pretty riled up about this case in spite of the general conclusion that, at least Casey, has several PD's. Casey and her parental units haven't claimed Casey has a PD, it's been the learned people in the public, (so it's not HER or her defense, that is trying to "hide" behind a diagnoses). I find that to label someone with a PD far from excuses their behavior, rather it enforces how unlikely it is that they will ever change their bad behavior and paves the way for a harsher sentence in my experience. It is NEVER said with a PD that the PD "made me do it". It is well accepted in psychiatric communities that the person with a PD still has free will and acts out regardless. It is also well known that there are RARELY any changes for the good with medication and/or therapy in a person with a PD and that is further argument to actually be MORE punitive to the person and protective of the public when a diagnoses of a PD comes into play.

In my opinion, labeling someone is not a justification for their crimes, but an understanding of why they have committed crimes. An understanding that quite often is NOT in the inmate's favor. Just my experience Trich.

Signed,

Lavinia, still not going to clean house. :tonguewag:

[Patricia]

Originally Posted by Tornado
He claimed to be someone who went to school with KC but that has been proven not to be true. I have been searching his existence lately because the visit seems to stick out like a sore thumb. The murder IIRC was in 1996 and the little boy was beaten to death. Terrible story-

I just read about that guy Patrick B... he is from Columbus, Ohio. His 3 yr old son, PJ was killed Feb.27, 1996. Could the connection to Casey be that the OAs lived in Ohio as well. as per google (pj story):confused:

[Ahava]

What drove me to "intensely dislike" George and Cindy (lol, I can't say I actually hate them..I don't care that much) was how they changed their stories in the beginning and have tried to minimize Casey's behavior and lies, b/c I know they know the truth. We heard Cindy tell Casey's friends that she will steal from them. We heard Cindy say it smells like a dead body. We heard George say the same thing. So, it pisses me off to then hear someone try and convince me otherwise.:thumbup: good points. and don't hate me for my theory. I believe that by July 1 they knew as much as they know now. It took them 2 weeks to make a plan and clean up because of some reason, fear & $$$ not sure. I do say follow the money and it will have many more leads. But back to your points.
In the beginning they had to cover their back after all GA is an ex LE. so they made some calls said some things thinking that it will shake up some truth either from Casey, or a snitch. As time goes on they felt sorry of how they handled it because they did not get any closer to "Who Done It" so they changed the story, and will probably try to justify every Freudian slip.

I believe that Casey is guilty but I am not sure to what degree: IMHO due to the unsavory people around that family it is very possible that Casey left Caylee either in a Bordello, or with a drug person WHO KNOWS?? she went to do her business maybe at the club...Came back and there was a problem - accident WHO KNOWS?
So she is guilty for putting her daughter in harms way for sure. But I am not sure she killed Caylee, in fact I doubt it, but she may have. I am going to wait on this one for the trial. But I am sure that her parents are in it up to their eyeball, they are not likable, and have IMHO miss handled parenting in every way. IF this case gets thrown they only taught her deception, not love. Look they have not even gone to visit her. :thumbdown:
Their moral code stinks.

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by Tornado
He claimed to be someone who went to school with KC but that has been proven not to be true. I have been searching his existence lately because the visit seems to stick out like a sore thumb. The murder IIRC was in 1996 and the little boy was beaten to death. Terrible story-

I just read about that guy Patrick B... he is from Columbus, Ohio. His 3 yr old son, PJ was killed Feb.27, 1996. Could the connection to Casey be that the OAs lived in Ohio as well. as per google (pj story):confused:

I had also connected the fact that this little boys murder was in OH. columbus is 173 miles from Youngtown.

Also there is (whether it is this Patrick or another one) that is linked to a murder in LA in 2007. The suspect in this one is listed as being 19 which would make it possible to be this 22 year old Patrick.

[Ahava]

I agree!

I may be wrong but I think personality disorder is by choice.
I am tired of labels being put on people for the way they act as if it is an excuse for their bad behavior. As in X made me do it.
Personal responsibility is exactly what it says IMO ...your choice to do right or wrong , to act nice or not, to even decide if today is the day you will clean house or stay on the internet LOL.

With all due respect I do not agree with people who try to diagnose her. since they had not evaluated her.
HOWEVER! it is obvious that she is not balanced nor is the family. It is obvious that dysfunctional is a light term for how they all behave.
But mental illness is not a joke, many are functional folks just like Cindy: she worked, kept a clean house, had a family.....functional to the naked eye...but emotionally she is obviously way out there.
A personality disorder is not by choice, it is a deep emotional and Chemical imbalance. They do need professional help.

In your words "X made me do it" or it a UFO or whatever, that is called BS or manipulation, or irresponsible, or we can come up with a long list of words that are not related to mental illness.
This entire saga is appalling on so many levels. it offends all my sensibility. They all need professional help.

Having said that I do not say they should not ALLL be in jail. They do know right from wrong and that is how the law looks at it.

[Lavinia]

GOOD morning all!How is everyone this beautiful morning?

Are there any Legal Eagles here this morning? I wanna send an email to SINdy and need an opinion! ;)

No Legal Eagle here, just a Coocoo Bird, but unless you threaten or harass Cindy, I can't imagine that there is any legal recourse to contacting her. She has posted her email address. I doubt that giving someone your opinion is actionable.

[Lapis]

GOOD morning all!How is everyone this beautiful morning?

Are there any Legal Eagles here this morning? I wanna send an email to SINdy and need an opinion! ;)

Can I be of service?

[spiritwolf46]

Can I be of service?

Hiya Lapis!

You sure can be! Hey, I wanna send this email to Sindy. It has NO threats but is basically calling her out on things she has said and done.

Would not surprise me if she would try to sue (not just me, but a LOT of peeps) and wondered if she could?

I know that this sounds silly, but you never know what that evil source may do! :tonguewag:

Thanks much!!!!

[Tornado]

Can I be of service?

Hi Lapis, I do not have the same question as Spirit but the conversation that was taped between Lee and Tony in the car:

Is this legal? And is this admissible in court?

[MissElainyS]

I agree IM4Truth.

it was ok with Cindy and George that her car was abandoned the end of June....with flies and maggots found in the car, it smelled like decomposition, and had not heard Caylee's voice since June 15th...that was ok as evidenced by the fact she went back to work. George reported for work (oh, lets take the battery out) as if casey was going to come home to get the car?

SHE LEFT THE CAR, didnt need it anymore, didnt need the carseat. didnt THAT even cross their minds that their daughter has a little toddler who is supposed to be in HER CARE, and she leaves her carseat ?

and all Cindy did was text her and say: problem with the car, call me?

the first thing Cindy did was make a false report to LE about a
stolen car and stolen money (I HAVE THE BANK STATEMENTS TO PROVE IT)....all in the name of trying to find Caylee? she did NOT call any of her friends. not one. Jesse, Christina, Annie, NONE OF THEM during those thirty-one days.

Lee the junior PI had no problem catching up with some of her friends on IIRC, July 3rd, thru ms or facebook, when Cindy sent him on a mission to track her down. he tracked her down, she never left the area, and then did nothing to find her.

really, how hard was it to find Casey? it wasnt. if she would have called one of those friends, they would have connected them with the name of the club. a clear start. that would lead to names and places.

IMO, and I say this in agreement with many other esteemed posters, she raged out of that house and IMO Caylee was battered to death. IMO, that is what happened. and I bet that Cindy saw Casey swipe at caylee before she left the home...

and that is why she cannot shut up with regard to 'protecting the secret' at every turn. the secret is Cindy hit Casey, then Casey hit caylee. that nite. therefore, Cindy is protecting HERSELF.

she had reason to call LE THAT nite, IF she witnessed her daughter drag Caylee out with rage and/or smacked her hard. but if Cindy was also doing some battering, she wasnt going to call anyone that nite on behalf of Caylee.

heck, with flies and maggots, she still didnt call the police right away. its all because of her getting physical with casey.......its "THE" secret.

which might turn into an allegation at trial. I can just hear the defense opening: which is not evidence:

"what if you hear that casey's mother attacked her on the evening of June 15th and Casey was so enraged she accidentally knocked her daughter, didnt realize until later that she was having a brain seizure and then she died".....

just a guess, but something along those lines.....and then no evidence will be forthcoming (because Casey isnt going to testify)....but they might use those neighbors who heard a rumble that nite.....for effect, of course.....

he need only say it once, during his opening.....plant the seed....the seed wont grow of course, it will be long forgotten once all of the evidence rolls in.....but it would be ironic to hear Casey point the finger back at the one person who was trying desperately to make it sound like she was helping HER...Im telling ya, two psychopaths are at work here....

the law is interesting: Casey could have confessed 'something' to Baez, but he is not obligated to reveal a confession, unless the defendant authorizes it.

But, he is well within legal boundaries to 'create a story' in his opening which might be one of those pesky half-truths the anthonys are prone to promote which will fall like a ton of bricks on their head.

so far, Casey is MUTE. IMO, she will remain mute, but she will use a different strategy to get the final word in against her own mother. you can bet she holds Cindy responsible for her 'losing control'.

the blame game.

IMO.

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

Since day one, this is the scenario that makes the best sense. And you are right, there are two psychopaths at work here. Great post and even greater logic! Well done.

[Lavinia]

Can I be of service?

Good to see you back, Lapis.:thumbup:

[Lapis]

Hiya Lapis!

You sure can be! Hey, I wanna send this email to Sindy. It has NO threats but is basically calling her out on things she has said and done.

Would not surprise me if she would try to sue (not just me, but a LOT of peeps) and wondered if she could?

I know that this sounds silly, but you never know what that evil source may do! :tonguewag:

Thanks much!!!!

Libel and slander are very specialized areas of law (and not my specialty). Going back to my law school days. But I seem to recall there are very specific things you must show to prevail in a civil suit. First there must be a defamatory statement. Second, the statement must be broadcast to the community. Third, there must be a demonstration that the statement has tended to negatively impact one's good reputation.

Here any statements you make in the email could be seen as defamatory. If you don't publish the email, I think you can avoid the second prong. The third prong would depend upon the statements, but she would have to demonstrate her good reputation.

Finally I seem to recall that truth is an absolute defense and that public figures cannot be defamed in this country.

She would have to find an attorney to take the case and that might be difficult.

As I am relying on my memory from law school this is all IMO.

[Carol25]

I'm interested to see what happens with Baez and the investigation with the Bar. If he ends up with a suspension or worse when new information comes out (perhaps even a scandal), would LKB stay on or leave in disgust?

What about KC, what about her attitude towards the whole legal team? Would she have confidence or just go nutz?

[Carol25]

Libel and slander are very specialized areas of law (and not my specialty). Going back to my law school days. But I seem to recall there are very specific things you must show to prevail in a civil suit. First there must be a defamatory statement. Second, the statement must be broadcast to the community. Third, there must be a demonstration that the statement has tended to negatively impact one's good reputation.

Here any statements you make in the email could be seen as defamatory. If you don't publish the email, I think you can avoid the second prong. The third prong would depend upon the statements, but she would have to demonstrate her good reputation.

Finally I seem to recall that truth is an absolute defense and that public figures cannot be defamed in this country.

She would have to find an attorney to take the case and that might be difficult.

As I am relying on my memory from law school this is all IMO.
Of course, it would depend how you word it. A lot of "it appears" "In my opinion," "the articles I've read seem to show you as a," "If I had a daughter that lied and stole...."

[Ahava]

I really do not think they knew Caylee was dead until they smelled that odor in that car...then when they were able to find Casey and there was no Caylee to be found they coupled it together and had to have known that Caylee was deceased...They may have been hoping against hope that it wasn't true...and was desperately trying to get some info out of Casey that would lead them to believe that Caylee was alive....

When George made that statement that "if Caylee is deceased then they also lost Casey"...it was certainly an indication that they knew Caylee was dead....they may have been praying that if it was so, then it was an accident.....but as time went on they had to realize the trouble associated to this murder.....so much so, that they couldn't even focus on grieving for Caylee by being too worried what was going to happen to Casey....

Then they felt that they had no choice but to defend their daughter.....(which was the worst thing that they could have done)....they should have made her tell the truth instead of trying to cover for such a horrible thing......jmo
I know that is the popular version or thought frame.
I was there too thinking just like you, but time has made me try hard to look beyond what is visible.
Here are a few points: there are many more.
1) Why are there no finger prings on GA's gas cans and Shed not even his prints? (Methodical Clean up job)
2) They washed Caseys pants and...whatever (WHY)
3) Why is Caylee deleted from their entire foucus? They never pleaded for her return. NEVER.
4) They refused to give the search team a garment of Caylees to help find her (they did not want her found with flesh, flesh can tell a story- JMHO).
5) They have not worked in a year and have no money (I say follow the money)
6) They did not call one frind or zanny :rolleyes: to look for Casey/Caylee
7) They are not representing CAYLEE on any level but using her name to have a foundation to $upport themselv$ :thumbdown:

I think they had to defend their daughter because the associations that are also hooked up with the MONEY/Foundation are in the Center of much that we do not know.
AND GA is associated with them / has known them for a while.

YOUR LAST SENTENCE IS THE BEST::wub:
they should have made her tell the truth instead of trying to cover for such a horrible thing.
IMHO: their parenting falls way too short, and I am not shocked that Casey is imbalanced.

[Lapis]

Hi Lapis, I do not have the same question as Spirit but the conversation that was taped between Lee and Tony in the car:

Is this legal? And is this admissible in court?

Every jurisdiction has different laws regarding the taping of conversations. Some jurisdictions are one party states and only require the consent of one party to the conversations. Others are two party states and require the consent of both parties to the conversation (this is what got Linda Tripp in trouble). If Florida is a one party state (which I think they may be because IIRC they got Tony's written consent to this and a tap on his phone) there is no problem. If it is a two party state LE would need a warrant.

The tape itself is not admissible as against Casey, but may be used to impeach either Tony or Lee if they were to testify. If the taping was legal then the tape itself may be used against Lee if he is charged with something that could be proven by the tape. I am not sure that anything he said is all that incriminating against Lee. Any mistruths on the tape could be explained away with the statement that he was gathering information and didn't know who to trust.

JMO

[spiritwolf46]

Libel and slander are very specialized areas of law (and not my specialty). Going back to my law school days. But I seem to recall there are very specific things you must show to prevail in a civil suit. First there must be a defamatory statement. Second, the statement must be broadcast to the community. Third, there must be a demonstration that the statement has tended to negatively impact one's good reputation.

Here any statements you make in the email could be seen as defamatory. If you don't publish the email, I think you can avoid the second prong. The third prong would depend upon the statements, but she would have to demonstrate her good reputation.

Finally I seem to recall that truth is an absolute defense and that public figures cannot be defamed in this country.

She would have to find an attorney to take the case and that might be difficult.

As I am relying on my memory from law school this is all IMO.

You are awesome and I thank you SO very much!!!

[Carol25]

I know that is the popular version or thought frame.
I was there too thinking just like you, but time has made me try hard to look beyond what is visible.
Here are a few points: there are many more.
1) Why are there no finger prings on GA's gas cans and Shed not even his prints? (Methodical Clean up job)
2) They washed Caseys pants and...whatever (WHY)
3) Why is Caylee deleted from their entire foucus? They never pleaded for her return. NEVER.
4) They refused to give the search team a garment of Caylees to help find her (they did not want her found with flesh, flesh can tell a story- JMHO).
5) They have not worked in a year and have no money (I say follow the money)
6) They did not call one frind or zanny :rolleyes: to look for Casey/Caylee
7) They are not representing CAYLEE on any level but using her name to have a foundation to $upport themselv$ :thumbdown:

I think they had to defend their daughter because the associations that are also hooked up with the MONEY/Foundation are in the Center of much that we do not know.
AND GA is associated with them / has known them for a while.


YOUR LAST SENTENCE IS THE BEST:
they should have made her tell the truth instead of trying to cover for such a horrible thing.
IMHO: their parenting falls way too short, and I am not shocked that Casey is imbalanced.
I think she did tell them the truth in a heated argument and blamed it all on them. "I didn't want that little beast. You made me have her, it's all your fault!" Cover up time!

How could they let that become public? At that point, they should have just handed her back to authorities, but instead made a choice to cover for her and themselves. JMO

[Ahava]

GOOD morning all!How is everyone this beautiful morning?

Are there any Legal Eagles here this morning? I wanna send an email to SINdy and need an opinion! ;)

When you get her advise please do get a second opinion. :laugh:
I would hat to hear you say "Cindy told me" :sad:

[lizzard]

Can I be of service?

Yay!!! :beer:

We missed you :wub:

[Tornado]

Every jurisdiction has different laws regarding the taping of conversations. Some jurisdictions are one party states and only require the consent of one party to the conversations. Others are two party states and require the consent of both parties to the conversation (this is what got Linda Tripp in trouble). If Florida is a one party state (which I think they may be because IIRC they got Tony's written consent to this and a tap on his phone) there is no problem. If it is a two party state LE would need a warrant.

The tape itself is not admissible as against Casey, but may be used to impeach either Tony or Lee if they were to testify. If the taping was legal then the tape itself may be used against Lee if he is charged with something that could be proven by the tape. I am not sure that anything he said is all that incriminating against Lee. Any mistruths on the tape could be explained away with the statement that he was gathering information and didn't know who to trust.

JMO

TY- I just wondered.

[impartial]

Libel and slander are very specialized areas of law (and not my specialty). Going back to my law school days. But I seem to recall there are very specific things you must show to prevail in a civil suit. First there must be a defamatory statement. Second, the statement must be broadcast to the community. Third, there must be a demonstration that the statement has tended to negatively impact one's good reputation.

Here any statements you make in the email could be seen as defamatory. If you don't publish the email, I think you can avoid the second prong. The third prong would depend upon the statements, but she would have to demonstrate her good reputation.

Finally I seem to recall that truth is an absolute defense and that public figures cannot be defamed in this country.

She would have to find an attorney to take the case and that might be difficult.

As I am relying on my memory from law school this is all IMO.

Public figures can be defamed, and some have been successful in their suits against the media ... Carol Burnett comes to mind, she won a lawsuit against one of the tabloids that printed she was an alcoholic. Liberace was successful in his suit against a newspaper that printed he was a homosexual (the truth defense didn't help, the paper couldn't find a witness that would come forward IIRC).

Opinions about public figures are protected, parodies of public figures are protected speech, but publishing something as fact rather than opinion is actionable if not true.

As far as damages, if it is libel/slander per se, IIRC pecuniary loss does not have to be shown, and punitive damages are available to the plaintiff.

Like you, I don't specialize in this area, and posting from memory from having taught Torts umpteen years ago.

IMO

[Lapis]

Public figures can be defamed, and some have been successful in their suits against the media ... Carol Burnett comes to mind, she won a lawsuit against one of the tabloids that printed she was an alcoholic. Liberace was successful in his suit against a newspaper that printed he was a homosexual (the truth defense didn't help, the paper couldn't find a witness that would come forward IIRC).

Opinions about public figures are protected, parodies of public figures are protected speech, but publishing something as fact rather than opinion is actionable if not true.

As far as damages, if it is libel/slander per se, IIRC pecuniary loss does not have to be shown, and punitive damages are available to the plaintiff.

Like you, I don't specialize in this area, and posting from memory from having taught Torts umpteen years ago.

IMO

I stand corrected (I'm surprised my memory proved as acurate as it did), I knew there was something about pubic figures just didn't remember it correctly. I didn't address damages but believe you are correct. Thanks for the assist.

[impartial]

I stand corrected (I'm surprised my memory proved as acurate as it did), I knew there was something about pubic figures just didn't remember it correctly. I didn't address damages but believe you are correct. Thanks for the assist.


I'm surprised I recalled the term pecuniary loss. :laugh:

[spiritwolf46]

Public figures can be defamed, and some have been successful in their suits against the media ... Carol Burnett comes to mind, she won a lawsuit against one of the tabloids that printed she was an alcoholic. Liberace was successful in his suit against a newspaper that printed he was a homosexual (the truth defense didn't help, the paper couldn't find a witness that would come forward IIRC).

Opinions about public figures are protected, parodies of public figures are protected speech, but publishing something as fact rather than opinion is actionable if not true.

As far as damages, if it is libel/slander per se, IIRC pecuniary loss does not have to be shown, and punitive damages are available to the plaintiff.

Like you, I don't specialize in this area, and posting from memory from having taught Torts umpteen years ago.

IMO

I find this extremely fascinating for all of us here who, have either sent an email to Sindy or want to, and I sure do appreciate you and Lapis for the help!

I do have IMO in my email, but sure gave it to her when writing it. I was just wanting to know, not just for me, but for this whole, wonderful group!

Thank you both a million times over!

[lizzard]

I stand corrected (I'm surprised my memory proved as acurate as it did), I knew there was something about pubic figures just didn't remember it correctly. I didn't address damages but believe you are correct. Thanks for the assist.

Lapis, where is the line drawn between public figure/private citizen?

With all the publicity, would the A's be considered public?

[AMS]

I find this extremely fascinating for all of us here who, have either sent an email to Sindy or want to, and I sure do appreciate you and Lapis for the help!

I do have IMO in my email, but sure gave it to her when writing it. I was just wanting to know, not just for me, but for this whole, wonderful group!

Thank you both a million times over!

spirit - did you decide to send the email?

imo

[Lapis]

Lapis, where is the line drawn between public figure/private citizen?

With all the publicity, would the A's be considered public?

You guys are really testing my memory on a holiday weekend no less. LOL

I will state that the line is blurry. If you intentionally thrust yourself into the limelight. such as a politician you are a public figure. If you are the victim of a crime I would say not. At this point I think an argument can be made that they have intentionally thrust themselves into the limelight with all their media appearances. JMO

[impartial]

I didn't watch Larry King Live, but I did read the transcript.

In the live interview, did Larry sound as incredulous that they hadn't gone to see Casey as it appeared in reading the transcript?

TIA

[spiritwolf46]

spirit - did you decide to send the email?

imo

Hi AMS!!!

I haven't yet, but think that I will.

The Anthony's have thrust themselves into the media and have spun, lied and lied some more. All that I wrote was truth.

Does anyone think that throwing back on them, what they themselves have said, pizzes them off more? I sure do!

[spiritwolf46]

I didn't watch Larry King Live, but I did read the transcript.

In the live interview, did Larry sound as incredulous that they hadn't gone to see Casey as it appeared in reading the transcript?

TIA

For once, I sure thought so, Impartial.

I refused to watch it but then everyone on here was talking about how Larry did, indeed, throw out some good stuff, so I watched it on youtube.

[AMS]

I didn't watch Larry King Live, but I did read the transcript.

In the live interview, did Larry sound as incredulous that they hadn't gone to see Casey as it appeared in reading the transcript?

TIA

He was incredulous. He came back to this topic a few times with the Ants. He couldn't believe that they would not go to see her and he wasn't buying their excuse about not wanting to be videotaped. imo

[aproudmom]

We never found out about that man, did we? He was supposedly an old friend of Casey's, right? It was weird that he showed up. I didn't know that a child by that name had been murdered.

I know I think it even freaked KC out..lol..very odd him just popping in to say hi:laugh:

[WillowInFlight]

Hi AMS!!!

I haven't yet, but think that I will.

The Anthony's have thrust themselves into the media and have spun, lied and lied some more. All that I wrote was truth.

Does anyone think that throwing back on them, what they themselves have said, pizzes them off more? I sure do!

I firmly believe that having the truth thrown at them pizzes them off. The thing is, like I have said before, I think they know the truth, it's the fact that the rest of us also knows that gets them upset. Because publically they want us to believe that Casey is innocent, and as long as they feel like they can convince us of that, all is right in their world.

I wonder how often they think of Caylee, I wonder why didn't didn't fight this hard for her. After all she had no choices, Casey did.

[AMS]

O/T - the shuttle Atlantis has safely landed at Edwards Airforce Base in CA. :thumbsup: FL weather too iffy.

imo

[aproudmom]

He was incredulous. He came back to this topic a few times with the Ants. He couldn't believe that they would not go to see her and he wasn't buying their excuse about not wanting to be videotaped. imo

ITA He was wanting to know why pretty bad and was not liking their answer since they support her and why would it harm the case to see her..he did good they did bad at giving a answer...we would all pick her apart she cant do anything right

[AMS]

Hi AMS!!!

I haven't yet, but think that I will.

The Anthony's have thrust themselves into the media and have spun, lied and lied some more. All that I wrote was truth.

Does anyone think that throwing back on them, what they themselves have said, pizzes them off more? I sure do!

Yeppers. Throwing info back at them is forcing them to look in the mirror. I guess they don't like what they see....

imo

[aproudmom]

O/T - the shuttle Atlantis has safely landed at Edwards Airforce Base in CA. :thumbsup: FL weather too iffy.

imo

great was wondering if they were cleared to land..thanks a bunch

[lizzard]

You guys are really testing my memory on a holiday weekend no less. LOL

I will state that the line is blurry. If you intentionally thrust yourself into the limelight. such as a politician you are a public figure. If you are the victim of a crime I would say not. At this point I think an argument can be made that they have intentionally thrust themselves into the limelight with all their media appearances. JMO

Thanks. (figured you had time to brush up)

[Ahava]

Good morning to all :smile:

When I reflect back to the 'beginning' of this case I can remember feeling as tho George and Cindy were trying to build a case in order to get custody of Caylee.
I remember George saying..'...she was out until 2 or 3 in the morning...sometimes she didn't come home'...'she partied all the time....'we' took care of Caylee most often...'...and then it changed.
Somewhere in there they went from....'look we are the real parents to Caylee and Casey is just a party girl'...to..'mother of the year...'.
I have always felt that the 'reality' in that family unit was/is dictated by Cindy, as long as they all fell in line behind her things were great. It's the 'us vs them' again, and I believe it has been that way in that unit forever. They 'handle' situations within the boundaries of their walls...even LE has no say in Cindy's eyes...she will decide what is reality for the Anthony family. I think there is a part of Cindy that is freaking out right now...she has lost some control and there is a wild card that she isn't being able to 'control' for maybe the first time in her life.
That 'wild card' isn't speaking to her right now and Cindy is running blind to make it look like she is protecting Casey...probably in fear of what will indeed become known about the fortress that she has fought so hard to create an image of for other folks...including her own 'family'.
I think Cindy would rather die than have folks know that her perfect family...isn't so perfect after all...that's a long way down to fall for her.


Just my opinion of course...

Your opinion is just like mine.
I still say follow the money trail. :cursing:

[aproudmom]

I firmly believe that having the truth thrown at them pizzes them off. The thing is, like I have said before, I think they know the truth, it's the fact that the rest of us also knows that gets them upset. Because publically they want us to believe that Casey is innocent, and as long as they feel like they can convince us of that, all is right in their world.

I wonder how often they think of Caylee, I wonder why didn't didn't fight this hard for her. After all she had no choices, Casey did.

wonderful post Willow I totally agree with you:thumbup:

[sammy62]

since all the guru's are here...:rolleyes:

Was Mallory ever interviewed. If so, has it been made public?

If she wasnt interviewed.....how come???

:confused:

[AMS]

since all the guru's are here...:rolleyes:

Was Mallory ever interviewed. If so, has it been made public?

If she wasnt interviewed.....how come???

:confused:

That's a great question. I have asked that a couple of times. I don't know the answer.

imo

[Ahava]

I think she did tell them the truth in a heated argument and blamed it all on them. "I didn't want that little beast. You made me have her, it's all your fault!" Cover up time!
How could they let that become public? At that point, they should have just handed her back to authorities, but instead made a choice to cover for her and themselves. JMO

:scared: That is hardly enough to cover up a for a MURDER :thumbdown:
But they are severely dysfunctional and anything here is possible.

[WillowInFlight]

since all the guru's are here...:rolleyes:

Was Mallory ever interviewed. If so, has it been made public?

If she wasnt interviewed.....how come???

:confused:

Gosh it seems so long ago, but I think she was. Is Lee still living with George and Cindy? Hard to believe we are coming up on a year now.

[sammy62]

Gosh it seems so long ago, but I think she was. Is Lee still living with George and Cindy? Hard to believe we are coming up on a year now.

I've been brushing up on all the old video's....and never found one for her.

[kitty1182]

I've been brushing up on all the old video's....and never found one for her.

Come to think of it, neither have I...:confused:

[spiritwolf46]

I firmly believe that having the truth thrown at them pizzes them off. The thing is, like I have said before, I think they know the truth, it's the fact that the rest of us also knows that gets them upset. Because publically they want us to believe that Casey is innocent, and as long as they feel like they can convince us of that, all is right in their world.

I wonder how often they think of Caylee, I wonder why didn't didn't fight this hard for her. After all she had no choices, Casey did.


So wonderfully put, Willow! I so agree with every word of it!

some people can open the trash can and not be offended by it smell, but the Anthony's can't. They open a HUGE can of trash with every single word that has come out of their mouths and when it is put right back into their laps, it is almost like "HOW DARE THEY!" They are horrible! It scare the fluffs right out of me to think that they are not the only ones in this world like that.

Better go and get some Gas-X! :tongueside:

[Lavinia]

since all the guru's are here...:rolleyes:

Was Mallory ever interviewed. If so, has it been made public?

If she wasnt interviewed.....how come???

:confused:

I remember something about Mallory, but wasn't it a co-worker's statement? Something about Mallory believing that Casey was guilty and then she drank the kool-aid. I'm almost sure it was a co-worker who made the statement.

[spiritwolf46]

Yeppers. Throwing info back at them is forcing them to look in the mirror. I guess they don't like what they see....

imo

They sure don't!

I LOVE that fact that this board and others have taken what they say and placed it right back into their laps! It goes to show that normalcy truly IS all around us and that just once in a while you have to face KOOOOOOKS like the Anthonys!

I am afraid I would have to question my existence if everyone was like them! :scared: :chicken:

[sammy62]

I remember something about Mallory, but wasn't it a co-worker's statement? Something about Mallory believing that Casey was guilty and then she drank the kool-aid. I'm almost sure it was a co-worker who made the statement.

ok...I have never understood the "kool-aid" reference. Can someone give me an explanation.

A co-worker of who???

[sammy62]

They sure don't!

I LOVE that fact that this board and others have taken what they say and placed it right back into their laps! It goes to show that normalcy truly IS all around us and that just once in a while you have to face KOOOOOOKS like the Anthonys!

I am afraid I would have to question my existence if everyone was like them! :scared: :chicken:

are you trying to say...we are normal :tonguewag:
my husband would beg to differ. lol

[msgatorslayer]

I remember something about Mallory, but wasn't it a co-worker's statement? Something about Mallory believing that Casey was guilty and then she drank the kool-aid. I'm almost sure it was a co-worker who made the statement.

Only thing fresh in my mind about Mallory is that she was at the Anthony home the day Caylee's remains were found and took her time answering the door for LE who had a search warrant.

I'd run fast if my hubby ever publicly slobbered all over his wrist while thinking of his sister.:chicken:

[aproudmom]

Good morning to all :smile:

When I reflect back to the 'beginning' of this case I can remember feeling as tho George and Cindy were trying to build a case in order to get custody of Caylee.
I remember George saying..'...she was out until 2 or 3 in the morning...sometimes she didn't come home'...'she partied all the time....'we' took care of Caylee most often...'...and then it changed.
Somewhere in there they went from....'look we are the real parents to Caylee and Casey is just a party girl'...to..'mother of the year...'.
I have always felt that the 'reality' in that family unit was/is dictated by Cindy, as long as they all fell in line behind her things were great. It's the 'us vs them' again, and I believe it has been that way in that unit forever. They 'handle' situations within the boundaries of their walls...even LE has no say in Cindy's eyes...she will decide what is reality for the Anthony family. I think there is a part of Cindy that is freaking out right now...she has lost some control and there is a wild card that she isn't being able to 'control' for maybe the first time in her life.
That 'wild card' isn't speaking to her right now and Cindy is running blind to make it look like she is protecting Casey...probably in fear of what will indeed become known about the fortress that she has fought so hard to create an image of for other folks...including her own 'family'.
I think Cindy would rather die than have folks know that her perfect family...isn't so perfect after all...that's a long way down to fall for her.


Just my opinion of course...

I totally agree I have said from the start CA ran that household everyone had to follow her rules..this whole media blitz has nothing to do with KC it has to do with CA wanting to save their image. I really do not feel they care if she is in the slammer they need to wake up though she is up for the DP now and they are not searching for the real killer they are just leaving that up to JB who we all kinda know they never really liked from the start..They know she did it and instead of begging her to take a plea if one would have saved her they have no clue this is no longer ANTHONY LAND.....all JMO

[WillowInFlight]

So wonderfully put, Willow! I so agree with every word of it!

some people can open the trash can and not be offended by it smell, but the Anthony's can't. They open a HUGE can of trash with every single word that has come out of their mouths and when it is put right back into their laps, it is almost like "HOW DARE THEY!" They are horrible! It scare the fluffs right out of me to think that they are not the only ones in this world like that.

Better go and get some Gas-X! :tongueside:

I can understand their feeling that now that Caylee is gone as parents it's their duty to stand by Casey. But you can stand by your loved one and not condone what they have done, by the time they make this about Caylee it will be too late, public opinion will never change for them.

I want someone to sit down and ask them why they never searched, why they lied and covered up. Why they didn't put an innocent little child, their flesh and blood first?. How can they expect us to believe that they ever truly loved that child when they have fought everyone who tried to search. They seemed madder at the public then they did the person who ended this childs life.

But at the end of the day, they will forever have the knowledge that their only daughter killed their only grandchild, that fact will never change and it will never go away. That is the hell that they and Casey has made for themselves. Caylee is flying with the angels, and the Athonys will forever be in their self made hell.

[spiritwolf46]

are you trying to say...we are normal :tonguewag:
my husband would beg to differ. lol

Psssst......my hubby would, too! But WE know different! :tonguewag:

[spiritwolf46]

I can understand their feeling that now that Caylee is gone as parents it's their duty to stand by Casey. But you can stand by your loved one and not condone what they have done, by the time they make this about Caylee it will be too late, public opinion will never change for them.

I want someone to sit down and ask them why they never searched, why they lied and covered up. Why they didn't put an innocent little child, their flesh and blood first?. How can they expect us to believe that they ever truly loved that child when they have fought everyone who tried to search. They seemed madder at the public then they did the person who ended this childs life.

But at the end of the day, they will forever have the knowledge that their only daughter killed their only grandchild, that fact will never change and it will never go away. That is the hell that they and Casey has made for themselves. Caylee is flying with the angels, and the Athonys will forever be in their self made hell.

As usual, so well put! I love this post! I truly do! It is just spot on!

[lizzard]

They sure don't!

I LOVE that fact that this board and others have taken what they say and placed it right back into their laps! It goes to show that normalcy truly IS all around us and that just once in a while you have to face KOOOOOOKS like the Anthonys!

I am afraid I would have to question my existence if everyone was like them! :scared: :chicken:
my bold

Do you have a dog? If so, you exist. If not, sorry about your luck.

JMO

[bchand]

I didn't watch Larry King Live, but I did read the transcript.

In the live interview, did Larry sound as incredulous that they hadn't gone to see Casey as it appeared in reading the transcript?

TIA

He sure did. He found it "weird."

[Lavinia]

ok...I have never understood the "kool-aid" reference. Can someone give me an explanation.

A co-worker of who???

The drinking of Kool-Aid comes from the Jim Jones mass suicide in Jonestown SA. To "drink the kool-aid" means to fall in lock-step with the rhetoric that someone is spewing that is often against your better judgment and against your best interests.

I believe there was an interview with a co-worker of Mallory's at an eating establishment.

[AlohaRainbow]

Every jurisdiction has different laws regarding the taping of conversations. Some jurisdictions are one party states and only require the consent of one party to the conversations. Others are two party states and require the consent of both parties to the conversation (this is what got Linda Tripp in trouble). If Florida is a one party state (which I think they may be because IIRC they got Tony's written consent to this and a tap on his phone) there is no problem. If it is a two party state LE would need a warrant.
*snip*

JMO
interesting, at least according to this link, florida is a 2-party state.
http://www.aapsonline.org/judicial/telephone.htm
have we ever seen a warrent allowing tonE to tape conversations? (and, is that something we would have seen in the doc dumps?)

[lizzard]

The drinking of Kool-Aid comes from the Jim Jones mass suicide in Jonestown SA. To "drink the kool-aid" means to fall in lock-step with the rhetoric that someone is spewing that is often against your better judgment and against your best interests.

I believe there was an interview with a co-worker of Mallory's at an eating establishment.

Would George and Cindy's nonsense be referred to attempted mass spewicide?


jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Would George and Cindy's nonsense be referred to attempted mass spewicide?


jmo

Only if the masses believed their spew, and that ain't gonna happen.

[bchand]

The drinking of Kool-Aid comes from the Jim Jones mass suicide in Jonestown SA. To "drink the kool-aid" means to fall in lock-step with the rhetoric that someone is spewing that is often against your better judgment and against your best interests.

I believe there was an interview with a co-worker of Mallory's at an eating establishment.

I can't find the statement but the co-worker is:

Franco, Rozzie (Waitress works with Mallory Parker at Houston's Restaurant, Winter Park)

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_name_list.htm

[Lavinia]

Would George and Cindy's nonsense be referred to attempted mass spewicide?


jmo

:laugh: Oh hisssss, booooooo. (I can't find the corny icon.) :laugh:

[AlohaRainbow]

I can understand their feeling that now that Caylee is gone as parents it's their duty to stand by Casey. But you can stand by your loved one and not condone what they have done, by the time they make this about Caylee it will be too late, public opinion will never change for them.
*snip*.
re But you can stand by your loved one and not condone what they have done, the parents of mark hacking come to mind

[AlohaRainbow]

Would George and Cindy's nonsense be referred to attempted mass spewicide?


jmo
:ohmy:
:lol:

[Lavinia]

I can't find the statement but the co-worker is:

Franco, Rozzie (Waitress works with Mallory Parker at Houston's Restaurant, Winter Park)

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_name_list.htm

Thanks, Bet. I'll look for her statement too.

[sammy62]

This is a very short interview....But my opinion is that there is enough info there for them to interview Mallory. I wonder if they did, and its not released yet.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5695504/Casey-Anthony-David-Portwood-Transcript

[Lavinia]

I can't find the statement but the co-worker is:

Franco, Rozzie (Waitress works with Mallory Parker at Houston's Restaurant, Winter Park)

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_name_list.htm

I'm finding Rozzie Franco to be a reporter that discussed this case on JVM. :confused:

ETA: Okay if I have this right, Portwood and Franco were dining at this restaurant and their server said that Mallory had told HER that she thought Casey had something to do with Caylee's death. Is this what everyone else is getting?

[bchand]

This is a very short interview....But my opinion is that there is enough info there for them to interview Mallory. I wonder if they did, and its not released yet.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5695504/Casey-Anthony-David-Portwood-Transcript

IIRC the waitress and Mallory later denied all this. Will keep looking for it.

[bchand]

I'm finding Rozzie Franco to be a reporter that discussed this case on JVM. :confused:

Yes I believe Rozzie has been on either JVM or N Grace.

She was in the restaurant with this boyfriend apparently and discussing the case. The waitress just broke into their conversation apparently and told them what Mallory said to HER.

eta: Lavinia - yep that's what I'm getting out of it too.

[Tornado]

re But you can stand by your loved one and not condone what they have done, the parents of mark hacking come to mind

ITA- the thought has often occurred to me that the A's don't understand that people are not questioning whether they love KC or not but that they are trying to use their definition of unconditional love as an excuse to cover up for the murderer of their grandchild.

Many parents of murders still state that they love their child, but they do not claim thier child is innocent.

[lizzard]

ITA- the thought has often occurred to me that the A's don't understand that people are not questioning whether they love KC or not but that they are trying to use their definition of unconditional love as an excuse to cover up for the murderer of their grandchild.

Many parents of murders still state that they love their child, but they do not claim thier child is innocent.
my bold

And right there lies the difference between the A's and normal, rational people. There is something seriously wrong with them. :cursing:

IMO

[Lavinia]

Yes I believe Rozzie has been on either JVM or N Grace.

She was in the restaurant with this boyfriend apparently and discussing the case. The waitress just broke into their conversation apparently and told them what Mallory said to HER.

eta: Lavinia - yep that's what I'm getting out of it too.

Thanks, B. I can't trust my own reading comprehension, lol.

[Tornado]

my bold

And right there lies the difference between the A's and normal, rational people. There is something seriously wrong with them. :cursing:

IMO

IA again, to me it is as if they are acknowledging what they have done, but their excuse for their continuing sick behavior is: unconditional love??? It must make them feel better....

[lizzard]

IA again, to me it is as if they are acknowledging what they have done, but their excuse for their continuing sick behavior is: unconditional love??? It must make them feel better....

Unconditional love is an entirely different concept. Yes, you love your child without condition, no matter what they do. You do not condone their behaviour unconditionally, limits and boundaries are set.

The opposite of love, I have read, is not hate, it is indifference. The A's are indifferent to Caylee.

IMO

[Ahava]

I had forgotten about it till you brought it up. Yes, it did stick out. No other friends, even current ones, went to visit her. Only her family. Then this guy showed up outta the blue.

I am puzzled about that too...WHO is he, he is not on Casey's list of friends.
But here is a link with their conversation.
After you hear this - WHO is that Mike Weber?
I still say follow the money.
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...from-case.html

[WillowInFlight]

Unconditional love is an entirely different concept. Yes, you love your child without condition, no matter what they do. You do not condone their behaviour unconditionally, limits and boundaries are set.

The opposite of love, I have read, is not hate, it is indifference. The A's are indifferent to Caylee.

IMO

Yes they are, almost like it was someone else grandchild. I think they were so busy using her as a pawn that they didn't have time to truly love her, instead it was a game of who could buy her the most. Too bad they didn't play the game, "who could keep her the safest".

[lizzard]

Yes they are, almost like it was someone else grandchild. I think they were so busy using her as a pawn that they didn't have time to truly love her, instead it was a game of who could buy her the most. Too bad they didn't play the game, "who could keep her the safest".


No matter what they called the game, Caylee was bound to lose. :crying:

[Pruddennce]

since all the guru's are here...:rolleyes:

Was Mallory ever interviewed. If so, has it been made public?

If she wasnt interviewed.....how come???

:confused:

yes, how come....

of more interest to me is Stephany Kostakis....her cell phone records were subpoenaed and she also attempted to visit her in jail, was scheduled, showed up, but was not 'checked in or checked out' IIRC.

request for cell phone records:

handwritten page 4317

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-03/45412784.pdf

also mark hawkins. definitely a curious omission along with Patrick Bourgeois.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[101Spots]

yes, how come....

of more interest to me is Stephany Kostakis....her cell phone records were subpoenaed and she also attempted to visit her in jail, was scheduled, showed up, but was not 'checked in or checked out' IIRC.

request for cell phone records:

handwritten page 4317

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-03/45412784.pdf

also mark hawkins. definitely a curious omission along with Patrick Bourgeois.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Leave it to Pru to come up with elusive facts. This is the female friend I believe Casey would not grant an audience when she showed up for a visit.

[impartial]

Thanks to all that responded to my Larry King question ... I lost my computer for a while to my boys and Wizard 101.


As far as C & G's behavior relative to Casey, I can hypothesize 2 scenarios that could explain their behavior:

1. Assume for the moment that Casey had never before exhibited any kind of physically hurtful behavior toward another human being; assume that Casey's friends in describing Casey/Caylee's relationship as being loving and she was a good mom as true; assume C & G's description of Casey as a mother as true ... if those assumptions are true, then I could see how a parent could be in a total denial state until their child was proven factually guilty. And if that happens, will we see a different C & G? Only time will tell.

2. Assume for the moment that all of the information about Cindy with respect to belittling Casey, threatening to sue for custody, telling Caylee to call her mommy in front of Casey, using Caylee as a pawn for controlling Casey, etc., as true ... If Cindy did love Caylee as much as she professes, to acknowledge that Casey was responsible for Caylee's death would be tantamount to acknowledging her active participation in the emotional climate that lead up to that event, and Cindy sharing the blame.

I believe wholeheartedly that C & G are hoping against hope that Casey will be vindicated, as her attorneys have professed publicly. I also believe in the wee small hours, they too are questioning their own daughter's capabilities of carrying out harm to Caylee, or pondering an accidental death at the hands of Casey.

IMO

[MiamiNice]

ITA- the thought has often occurred to me that the A's don't understand that people are not questioning whether they love KC or not but that they are trying to use their definition of unconditional love as an excuse to cover up for the murderer of their grandchild.

Many parents of murders still state that they love their child, but they do not claim thier child is innocent.

This is the PERFECT phrasing for what the Anthonys are doing! It cannot be said any better than this! It baffles me they do not understand this concept!

[lizzard]

Everybody out :patriot:ing?

[Amy]

I understand, its like they are living their own reality, and everyone else is wrong. Normal peeps like us, just cannot understand their minds, what ever mental disorder it is.

I have lost family members, but when you loose someone to murder, which happened in our family 3 months ago, i was ..... i just could not wrap my mind around how this could happen. My niece was killed by her xhusband, they were trying to work things out, and she had just moved back in with him 2 days earlier. He shot her 3 times.....he turned himself in, thank God, but....when it came to custody of their 2 children, his parents fought for the kids, (they lived right next to the GPS) I am not saying anything wrong, but their other son commited suicide, and now they loose this son because he killed the mother of his 2 children.

I am sure that they do indeed love the children, but no one is going to take the children away from them, it is just better that other family raise the children. (she had 4 children, and her 1st husband is going get custody of all the children....keeping the family together is very important).

They ..(his family) did not have one nice thing to say about our family at the hearing...like it was our fault that he did what he did. I imagine that they feel tremdous guilt.

I am babbling.....sorry for going off topic....

I am sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing how things can go in a situation like this.

I do imagine it is hard to think your own child would kill his wife, but hopefully they will eventually come to the conclusion that, no matter WHAT the circumstances, it is never the victim's nor the victim's family's fault that the murderer chose murder.

[spiritwolf46]

my bold

Do you have a dog? If so, you exist. If not, sorry about your luck.

JMO

I have four of them!

[sammy62]

I have four of them!

Can I borrow one. Our Misty is up in heaven playing with Caylee.

[Tracian]

Sorry if this has ready posted:

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/05/cindy-anthony-e-mails-caylee-daily-commentators-510/

more of the wisdom ala Cindy Anthony via replied emails...

[Amy]

Good morning to all :smile:

When I reflect back to the 'beginning' of this case I can remember feeling as tho George and Cindy were trying to build a case in order to get custody of Caylee.
I remember George saying..'...she was out until 2 or 3 in the morning...sometimes she didn't come home'...'she partied all the time....'we' took care of Caylee most often...'...and then it changed.
Somewhere in there they went from....'look we are the real parents to Caylee and Casey is just a party girl'...to..'mother of the year...'.
I have always felt that the 'reality' in that family unit was/is dictated by Cindy, as long as they all fell in line behind her things were great. It's the 'us vs them' again, and I believe it has been that way in that unit forever. They 'handle' situations within the boundaries of their walls...even LE has no say in Cindy's eyes...she will decide what is reality for the Anthony family. I think there is a part of Cindy that is freaking out right now...she has lost some control and there is a wild card that she isn't being able to 'control' for maybe the first time in her life.
That 'wild card' isn't speaking to her right now and Cindy is running blind to make it look like she is protecting Casey...probably in fear of what will indeed become known about the fortress that she has fought so hard to create an image of for other folks...including her own 'family'.
I think Cindy would rather die than have folks know that her perfect family...isn't so perfect after all...that's a long way down to fall for her.


Just my opinion of course...

If that is her fear, she can let go right now. Surely she sees that most people who follow this case has already seen that her perfect family isn't so perfect. Just give it up and let it go, Cindy. Let the case go on without more hystrionics and drama.

[spiritwolf46]

Can I borrow one. Our Misty is up in heaven playing with Caylee.

Awwwww! You sure can! We actually have one named Lizzie! :tonguewag: True dat!

[lizzard]

Can I borrow one. Our Misty is up in heaven playing with Caylee.

Misty is in good company.

:rose: for you and Misty.

[AlohaRainbow]

Everybody out :patriot:ing?

i was out eating :drool: breakfast, just got back
re unconditional love, i found this on wiki:

Familial love
Another example is a child. The parent loves the child unconditionally at the moment of its birth. As the child grows, it exhibits a plethora of behaviors. One day the child writes on the bedroom wall with a crayon. The parent does not suddenly stop loving the child. Rather, the parent teaches (educates) the child where it is appropriate to write with a crayon and where it is not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_love

[sammy62]

Sorry if this has ready posted:

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/05/cindy-anthony-e-mails-caylee-daily-commentators-510/

more of the wisdom ala Cindy Anthony via replied emails...

Gee Spiritwolf...you were worried about your letter. This person said...

It’s the first & last time I watch any tv show pandering to the A’s again, I wish the A’s would drop dead

Thats a little harsh. I do not wish the A;s to drop dead...I just wish they would slip away into hiding.

[Amy]

I'm interested to see what happens with Baez and the investigation with the Bar. If he ends up with a suspension or worse when new information comes out (perhaps even a scandal), would LKB stay on or leave in disgust?

What about KC, what about her attitude towards the whole legal team? Would she have confidence or just go nutz?


Perhaps LKB would be relieved that she could conduct the defense in the manner she sees best, if she disagrees w/how Baez is doing it. However, she can't be too upset about how he conducts the defense, after all, she is still on the team (as far as we know.)

[sammy62]

i was out eating :drool: breakfast, just got back
re unconditional love, i found this on wiki:

Familial love
Another example is a child. The parent loves the child unconditionally at the moment of its birth. As the child grows, it exhibits a plethora of behaviors. One day the child writes on the bedroom wall with a crayon. The parent does not suddenly stop loving the child. Rather, the parent teaches (educates) the child where it is appropriate to write with a crayon and where it is not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_love

by having him scrub it off. My day care kids (a million years ago) threw mud all over the outside of the garage and then played finger painting with it. I made them all clean it up. They scrubbed and cried and cried. You think I would have beat them. Punishment must match the crime. Too bad Casey never learned that as a toddler.

[lizzard]

Awwwww! You sure can! We actually have one named Lizzie! :tonguewag: True dat!

Does she know how to play the tuba? :blink:

[101Spots]

Perhaps LKB would be relieved that she could conduct the defense in the manner she sees best, if she disagrees w/how Baez is doing it. However, she can't be too upset about how he conducts the defense, after all, she is still on the team (as far as we know.)

She has been uncharacteristically quiet of late, eh?

ETA: Come to think of it, *she* would also have to defer to the DPQ lawyer that Baez selects, no?

[impartial]

Perhaps LKB would be relieved that she could conduct the defense in the manner she sees best, if she disagrees w/how Baez is doing it. However, she can't be too upset about how he conducts the defense, after all, she is still on the team (as far as we know.)


I think LKB will be taking a very specific portion of the trial ... ala Phil Spector ... and therefore although may have some opinions on the remainder of the trial, will defer to the lead attorney except when it comes to her witnesses and her cross.

IMO

[impartial]

She has been uncharacteristically quiet of late, eh?

ETA: Come to think of it, *she* would also have to defer to the DPQ lawyer that Baez selects, no?


I feel for the attorney who fills this role ... with Baez as his/her co-counsel, and Baez's strategy up to this point.

IMO

[101Spots]

I feel for the attorney who fills this role ... with Baez as his/her co-counsel, and Baez's strategy up to this point.

IMO

Yea, verily. Who would want a blind city-boy leading the scout troop through the mountain on a camping trip?

[Tornado]

Yea, verily. Who would want a blind city-boy leading the scout troop through the mountain on a camping trip?

Do we think that KC has told JB the truth about all of this?

[lizzard]

Yea, verily. Who would want a blind city-boy leading the scout troop through the mountain on a camping trip?

:lol:

Well said! :thumbsup:

[puleeze09]

Does anyone know if Brad Conway is handicapped? Cindy in her email to me claimed he was. Oh she is gonna be praying for us ignorant folks. :rolleyes:

[Tornado]

Does anyone know if Brad Conway is handicapped? Cindy in her email to me claimed he was. Oh she is gonna be praying for us ignorant folks. :rolleyes:

He is confined to a wheelchair.

[sammy62]

Does anyone know if Brad Conway is handicapped? Cindy in her email to me claimed he was. Oh she is gonna be praying for us ignorant folks. :rolleyes:

I was told he was a quadralapedic....Had a surfing accident years ago.

[myownopera]

I understand he has a history of amnesia. He thinks he's the client and Cindy is the attorney.:tonguewag:
JMO


OH, MY!!! Good one!!!

[lizzard]

Does anyone know if Brad Conway is handicapped? Cindy in her email to me claimed he was. Oh she is gonna be praying for us ignorant folks. :rolleyes:


Of course he is. He has Cindy and George for clients.

Oh, you meant the wheelchair?

IMO

[myownopera]

Of course he is. He has Cindy and George for clients.

Oh, you meant the wheelchair?



you guys are sooooo Bad!!:biggrin:

[puleeze09]

I was told he was a quadralapedic....Had a surfing accident years ago.

Opps i shouldnt of told cindy that he was a terrible attorney to have. LOL Prehaps he should stop being a lawyer since he isnt doing a very good job of it. IMHO

[kanzz]

Brad Conway uses a wheelchair and it appears his lower extremeties are not functioning. I believe he uses his upper extremeties, however... so if that is correct, he is not a quad.

[Lapis]

The man is scared to death of Cindy. He don't like to mess with her. She'll beat him like she does George. That's why he faked a back injury a few days ago and didn't show up at the hearing. Cindy must have called him and told him there was no way they would be going and he knew that wouldn't fly with the Judge or Morgan. He had to do something besides take control of his client and tell her what the consequences would be.:sneaky: He didn't want to look like a weak attorney, that he is. Just sayin.:rolleyes:
JMHO

With all due respect I doubt the back injury was faked. Making a misrepresentation to the court regarding such an issue would create all kinds of problems for an ordinary citizen let alone an attorney. Its too easy to check. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. JMO

[legalmania]

Why do you think Lee laughs at the most serious times like Caylee has been missing some 31 days ha ha, or during the depositions he laughed at several things that weren't really funny?

[lizzard]

you guys are sooooo Bad!!:biggrin:

But we're very lovable. :wub:

[ttcRider]

With all due respect I doubt the back injury was faked. Making a misrepresentation to the court regarding such an issue would create all kinds of problems for an ordinary citizen let alone an attorney. Its too easy to check. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. JMO

:seeya: Hey Lapis! LTNS :wink:

[*MoonRider*]

Does anyone know if Brad Conway is handicapped? Cindy in her email to me claimed he was. Oh she is gonna be praying for us ignorant folks. :rolleyes:

I sure hope she doesn't pray for me. :scared:

[ttcRider]

Why do you think Lee laughs at the most serious times like Caylee has been missing some 31 days ha ha, or during the depositions he laughed at several things that weren't really funny?

I think its stress and nerves. I know people like that..:mellow:

[kanzz]

The man is scared to death of Cindy. He don't like to mess with her. She'll beat him like she does George. That's why he faked a back injury a few days ago and didn't show up at the hearing. Cindy must have called him and told him there was no way they would be going and he knew that wouldn't fly with the Judge or Morgan. He had to do something besides take control of his client and tell her what the consequences would be.:sneaky: He didn't want to look like a weak attorney, that he is. Just sayin.:rolleyes:
Even Morgan told the Judge "since he's an officer of the court, I took his word over the phone, your honor." I don't think Morgan believed the excuse.
JMHO

Oh my. That's a pretty tall accusation - that he would fake a back injury - especially in view of the fact that we know he's already suffered a significant, life-altering spinal cord injury at some time. Poor guy.

[seeing_eye]

my bold

Do you have a dog? If so, you exist. If not, sorry about your luck.

JMO

Good gosh!! Then there must be 6 of me! Well, I guess maybe actually 2 of me since 4 of my dogs are fosters. But does that mean there may be 4 pseudo-me's? I've got to take a break from this board and figure this out.

BBL (at least one of me will be)

[really3997]

I understand he has a history of amnesia. He thinks he's the client and Cindy is the attorney.:tonguewag:
JMO

Hello just popping in for a brief moment..are there more letters from Cindy...sorry been working my butt off not too much time for the board

[ttcRider]

my bold

Do you have a dog? If so, you exist. If not, sorry about your luck.

JMO

I exist but I have severe separation anixety! :laugh:

[lizzard]

Why do you think Lee laughs at the most serious times like Caylee has been missing some 31 days ha ha, or during the depositions he laughed at several things that weren't really funny?

Some people do laugh when nervous. It comes across as very inappropriate, like at funerals, hospitals.
I don't think this is the case with Lee, though. His arrogance comes through, I just don't think he grasps the whole situation.

[Libertie]

Why do you think Lee laughs at the most serious times like Caylee has been missing some 31 days ha ha, or during the depositions he laughed at several things that weren't really funny?It's a nervous laugh. I know someone like that and he laughs when he's uncomfortable. IMOO

[*MoonRider*]

Hello just popping in for a brief moment..are there more letters from Cindy...sorry been working my butt off not too much time for the board
Hi really. Is it flooded on Suburban after all that rain?

[Lapis]

Some people do laugh when nervous. It comes across as very inappropriate, like at funerals, hospitals.
I don't think this is the case with Lee, though. His arrogance comes through, I just don't think he grasps the whole situation.

This always makes me think of the MTM episode with Chuckels the Clown. LOL

[Lapis]

:seeya: Hey Lapis! LTNS :wink:

Hey ttc, had to take a forced vacation.

[really3997]

Hi really. Is it flooded on Suburban after all that rain?

No, but It has not rained over here as much as it has rained elsewhere in Florida, and we were really behind in rain..Plus I wonder if it will flood since they did alter the landscape with all of the digging..JMO

[really3997]

This always makes me think of the MTM episode with Chuckels the Clown. LOL

OMG I love that episode...:thumbsup:

[ttcRider]

Hey ttc, had to take a forced vacation.

Welcome back! You were missed. :smile:
We know! LOL

[AlohaRainbow]

Welcome back! You were missed. :smile:
We know! LOL

:ohmy:
lapis luggin' a tuba
a lizzard with new skin

it's been a busy week around the ol' "casey corral"

[lizzard]

This always makes me think of the MTM episode with Chuckels the Clown. LOL


:lol:.....snort.....:lol:

[legalmania]

Some people do laugh when nervous. It comes across as very inappropriate, like at funerals, hospitals.
I don't think this is the case with Lee, though. His arrogance comes through, I just don't think he grasps the whole situation.


He's done a few inappropriate things like tearing down Caylees memorial site that people started. The way he spoke at the funeral. He couldn't give her the dignity of saying Caylee Marie. I know he loves his sister but his niece deserved all the respect at that time.

[legalmania]

Welcome back! You were missed. :smile:
We know! LOL

What was everybody visiting Alice in Wonderland?

[sunstar]

He's done a few inappropriate things like tearing down Caylees memorial site that people started. The way he spoke at the funeral. He couldn't give her the dignity of saying Caylee Marie. I know he loves his sister but his niece deserved all the respect at that time.

It's so hard for me to figure him out, but it seems to be the mindset that well, Casey has been around longer than Caylee, and Casey's still his sister, and even though Caylee's gone the mission is to take care of the living ~ Casey. I still don't see what was so funny about the smell of death coming from her car though. :sad: MOO

[101Spots]

Do we think that KC has told JB the truth about all of this?

I think that he thinks that she has told him what she thinks is the truth.

[sammy62]

I think that he thinks that she has told him what she thinks is the truth.

That must be a backwards way of saying ""yes"":tonguewag:

[101Spots]

That must be a backwards way of saying ""yes"":tonguewag:

No, actually I think she's fed him some line of BS and he has swallowed it as gospel. So easy to do, looking into those big brown eyes..... barf

[seeing_eye]

Gee Spiritwolf...you were worried about your letter. This person said...

It’s the first & last time I watch any tv show pandering to the A’s again, I wish the A’s would drop dead

Thats a little harsh. I do not wish the A;s to drop dead...I just wish they would slip away into hiding.

I thought all the "commentators" emails to Cindy on that website was way out of line. One of my criticisms of Cindy is that she is classless, sort of like "trailer trash." She has no class, no manners, no politeness, no compassion. The CayleeDaily commentators seem the same. JMO

[seeing_eye]

With all due respect I doubt the back injury was faked. Making a misrepresentation to the court regarding such an issue would create all kinds of problems for an ordinary citizen let alone an attorney. Its too easy to check. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. JMO

I agree with what you say, Lapis. For the reasons you gave, I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt just as Morgan and the judge did. However, I do think it coincidentally happened at a very opportune time for the Anthonys' benefit.

[Lapis]

I agree with what you say, Lapis. For the reasons you gave, I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt just as Morgan and the judge did. However, I do think it coincidentally happened at a very opportune time for the Anthonys' benefit.

I guess I just don't see the benefit. If they lose they have to return to answer the questions, if the judge agrees with them then they don't. Today or tomorrow it really doesn't matter. There is no benefit or detriment to any party to having motion being heard later. These things happen all the time, attorneys are human after all. I have been watching the Higbee trial and the judge recessed the court for a day because one of the attorneys was sick, in the middle of the trial. Here there is no real time crunch, the case has not been listed for trial yet

Actually if you recall, there was some confusion as to whether the motion was going to be heard on Tuesday, Kasen seemed to be under the impression it was on calendar. I think that is why they were in court ready to go on Tuesday.

As they pointed out on the record, this is not the only case on calendar and discovery has only just begun. We have to be patient.

JMO

[myownopera]

I agree with what you say, Lapis. For the reasons you gave, I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt just as Morgan and the judge did. However, I do think it coincidentally happened at a very opportune time for the Anthonys' benefit.


Can this really be "checked out" and how? I agree with giving him the benefit of the doubt and I admire him for not using that wheel chair as an excuse - good for him that he is practicing his profession. I just don't think he knows how to deal with CA. I noticed several times while at M&M he was trying (off to the side) to calm her, settle her down and he could not. She was something else at that deposition and she was completely out of control -- I just think BC has his hands so full and would like to move on - I think he is just not a quitter - as shown by his trying to work with these people. I just don't think it is possible.:unsure:

jmoo

[101Spots]

I guess I just don't see the benefit. If they lose they have to return to answer the questions, if the judge agrees with them then they don't. Today or tomorrow it really doesn't matter. There is no benefit or detriment to any party to having motion being heard later. These things happen all the time, attorneys are human after all. I have been watching the Higbee trial and the judge recessed the court for a day because one of the attorneys was sick, in the middle of the trial. Here there is no real time crunch, the case has not been listed for trial yet

Actually if you recall, there was some confusion as to whether the motion was going to be heard on Tuesday, Kasen seemed to be under the impression it was on calendar. I think that is why they were in court ready to go on Tuesday.

As they pointed out on the record, this is not the only case on calendar and discovery has only just begun. We have to be patient.

JMO

I'm not very good at this. :angry:

[SavannahStar]

With all due respect I doubt the back injury was faked. Making a misrepresentation to the court regarding such an issue would create all kinds of problems for an ordinary citizen let alone an attorney. Its too easy to check. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. JMO

Of course it is.

[IM4Truth]

I had also connected the fact that this little boys murder was in OH. columbus is 173 miles from Youngtown.

Also there is (whether it is this Patrick or another one) that is linked to a murder in LA in 2007. The suspect in this one is listed as being 19 which would make it possible to be this 22 year old Patrick.

Has LE done this much investigating on this person?

[Lapis]

Can this really be "checked out" and how? I agree with giving him the benefit of the doubt and I admire him for not using that wheel chair as an excuse - good for him that he is practicing his profession. I just don't think he knows how to deal with CA. I noticed several times while at M&M he was trying (off to the side) to calm her, settle her down and he could not. She was something else at that deposition and she was completely out of control -- I just think BC has his hands so full and would like to move on - I think he is just not a quitter - as shown by his trying to work with these people. I just don't think it is possible.:unsure:

jmoo

If the court really had any question about the excuse he could have requested a doctor's note. However, unless the attorney has a reputation for such things he/she is taken at his word. He is an officer of the court.

Additionally, given his existing limitations he may be more suseptible to back injury.

JMO

[myownopera]

If the court really had any question about the excuse he could have requested a doctor's note. However, unless the attorney has a reputation for such things he/she is taken at his word. He is an officer of the court.

Additionally, given his existing limitations he may be more suseptible to back injury.

JMO



Thanks Lapis. You are always so nice to "peoples" like me who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. :blushing: It just seemed so funny to me and I truly am sorry for BC -- not only for his handicap -- but for having clients like GA & CA. Thanks for all of your great information on this board.:smile:

[ConchGirl]

O/T Beautiful double rainbow in the fabulous Florida Keys. Pics soon......

[haveaniceday]

Why do the posters here refer to Casey as OC?

[bchand]

Why do the posters here refer to Casey as OC?

It's certainly not just here. Mark Klaas, father of murdered Polly Klaas, referred to her as an "odious creature" on the Nancy Grace one night and it stuck.

[seeing_eye]

I guess I just don't see the benefit. If they lose they have to return to answer the questions, if the judge agrees with them then they don't. Today or tomorrow it really doesn't matter. There is no benefit or detriment to any party to having motion being heard later. These things happen all the time, attorneys are human after all. I have been watching the Higbee trial and the judge recessed the court for a day because one of the attorneys was sick, in the middle of the trial. Here there is no real time crunch, the case has not been listed for trial yet

Actually if you recall, there was some confusion as to whether the motion was going to be heard on Tuesday, Kasen seemed to be under the impression it was on calendar. I think that is why they were in court ready to go on Tuesday.

As they pointed out on the record, this is not the only case on calendar and discovery has only just begun. We have to be patient.

JMO

I've heard from some of the THs on TV that the benefit to the Anthonys would be to have Lee's depo before theirs. Morgan's firm wants George, Cindy, and Lee to return to answer questions they refused to answer in their first depos. According to the THs, the Anthonys want Lee to be deposed first for some reason I'm totally unaware of. Anyway, this is the reason some people are conjecturing that BC's back injury was timed for the Anthonys' benefit (or their perceived benefit).

I don't think this makes much sense, but since it's about this case, I'm not surprised.

[haveaniceday]

It's certainly not just here. Mark Klaas, father of murdered Polly Klaas, referred to her as an "odious creature" on the Nancy Grace one night and it stuck.

thank you
that term certainly fits

[bchand]

thank you
that term certainly fits

I agree - Mark Klaas was spot on.

[Lapis]

I've heard from some of the THs on TV that the benefit to the Anthonys would be to have Lee's depo before theirs. Morgan's firm wants George, Cindy, and Lee to return to answer questions they refused to answer in their first depos. According to the THs, the Anthonys want Lee to be deposed first for some reason I'm totally unaware of. Anyway, this is the reason some people are conjecturing that BC's back injury was timed for the Anthonys' benefit (or their perceived benefit).

I don't think this makes much sense, but since it's about this case, I'm not surprised.

Each of them has questions for which Morgan wants them to return. None of the questions have anything to do with the others. All the motions regarding the Anthonys returning were to be heard on Thursday. Morgan chose not to go forward with the one regarding Lee. If they want to manipulate the order in which the Anthonys return, they can suggest dates to M&M after Lee's and by saying that BC is unavailable. The court will order the return but not the date (unless the parties cannot agree). Not to mention, the court could order that they do not have to return at all. I can see this strategy for the original depositions but not now. I just don't agree with the TH. I think this is just one instance where they are looking for controversy where there is none. JMO

[Thisbe II]

Thanks to all that responded to my Larry King question ... I lost my computer for a while to my boys and Wizard 101.


As far as C & G's behavior relative to Casey, I can hypothesize 2 scenarios that could explain their behavior:

1. Assume for the moment that Casey had never before exhibited any kind of physically hurtful behavior toward another human being; assume that Casey's friends in describing Casey/Caylee's relationship as being loving and she was a good mom as true; assume C & G's description of Casey as a mother as true ... if those assumptions are true, then I could see how a parent could be in a total denial state until their child was proven factually guilty. And if that happens, will we see a different C & G? Only time will tell.

2. Assume for the moment that all of the information about Cindy with respect to belittling Casey, threatening to sue for custody, telling Caylee to call her mommy in front of Casey, using Caylee as a pawn for controlling Casey, etc., as true ... If Cindy did love Caylee as much as she professes, to acknowledge that Casey was responsible for Caylee's death would be tantamount to acknowledging her active participation in the emotional climate that lead up to that event, and Cindy sharing the blame.

I believe wholeheartedly that C & G are hoping against hope that Casey will be vindicated, as her attorneys have professed publicly. I also believe in the wee small hours, they too are questioning their own daughter's capabilities of carrying out harm to Caylee, or pondering an accidental death at the hands of Casey.

IMO

This is just so "spot on". I have been thinking about this all afternoon after reading this board for weeks. ( Thisbe is back....I last posted on Spector 1...big shout out for all of those poster's that are contributing here.)

There is just this odd relationship between Cindy-Casey-Caylee. I go back and forth from thinking that Casey is just character -disordered. (borderline etc) and has been manipulating her parent for years . THe other thought is that she was the result of this pull well described by Impartial....

[seeing_eye]

Each of them has questions for which Morgan wants them to return. None of the questions have anything to do with the others. All the motions regarding the Anthonys returning were to be heard on Thursday. Morgan chose not to go forward with the one regarding Lee. If they want to manipulate the order in which the Anthonys return, they can suggest dates to M&M after Lee's and by saying that BC is unavailable. The court will order the return but not the date (unless the parties cannot agree). Not to mention, the court could order that they do not have to return at all. I can see this strategy for the original depositions but not now. I just don't agree with the TH. I think this is just one instance where they are looking for controversy where there is none. JMO

Bolding mine.

That could very well be. Won't be the first time.

BTW, want you to know I really do appreciate your input and skill.

[Lapis]

Bolding mine.

That could very well be. Won't be the first time.

BTW, want you to know I really do appreciate your input and skill.

Thank you very much. I try.

[Tornado]

I think that he thinks that she has told him what she thinks is the truth.

I just wondered if maybe she trusts JB even more than she trusted in Lee.

[ConchGirl]

From my backyard. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/MemorialDay004.jpg It's hard to see the double unless you look hard.

[101Spots]

I just wondered if maybe she trusts JB even more than she trusted in Lee.

I think she can manipulate Jose more than she could Lee. And Jose thinks he's manipulating her, as well. This is all well and good in the close confines of the jail, but in the light of day in real life, both are going to lose.

[Tornado]

Has LE done this much investigating on this person?

This was at the beginning (in fact I think he was third on the list) and I don't know if anyone realized, including LE, what the heck was going on. To answer your question, No, but I think that someone should.

[sammy62]

It's certainly not just here. Mark Klaas, father of murdered Polly Klaas, referred to her as an "odious creature" on the Nancy Grace one night and it stuck.

websters: "odious - deserving hatred or repugnance"

[bchand]

Each of them has questions for which Morgan wants them to return. None of the questions have anything to do with the others. All the motions regarding the Anthonys returning were to be heard on Thursday. Morgan chose not to go forward with the one regarding Lee. If they want to manipulate the order in which the Anthonys return, they can suggest dates to M&M after Lee's and by saying that BC is unavailable. The court will order the return but not the date (unless the parties cannot agree). Not to mention, the court could order that they do not have to return at all. I can see this strategy for the original depositions but not now. I just don't agree with the TH. I think this is just one instance where they are looking for controversy where there is none. JMO

I think Keith Mitnik's statement to the judge brought up the TH's theories.

"I got a phone call from Brad Conway, who is counsel for the witnesses, Cindy and George Anthony, which are the primary purpose of today's meeting, and said he had thrown his back out and could not be here this morning," explained Zenaida's attorney, Keith Mitnik. "I then called Lee Anthony's attorney and told him because … I wanted to do them together … For strategic reasons and a lot of reasons it made sense to put it off."

http://www.wftv.com/news/19521509/detail.html

[bchand]

From my backyard. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/MemorialDay004.jpg It's hard to see the double unless you look hard.

That's just gorgeous. Thanks for sharing.

[Pruddennce]

Do we think that KC has told JB the truth about all of this?


Sawgrass - oops I told a story because:

Blanchard Park - oops I told a story because:

IMO, YES, she told yet another version. admitting her death, but not 'directly' responsible for 'causing' it. (said version delivered after her remains were found).

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[sammy62]

From my backyard. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/MemorialDay004.jpg It's hard to see the double unless you look hard.

awesome picture

[Lapis]

I think Keith Mitnik's statement to the judge brought up the TH's theories.

"I got a phone call from Brad Conway, who is counsel for the witnesses, Cindy and George Anthony, which are the primary purpose of today's meeting, and said he had thrown his back out and could not be here this morning," explained Zenaida's attorney, Keith Mitnik. "I then called Lee Anthony's attorney and told him because … I wanted to do them together … For strategic reasons and a lot of reasons it made sense to put it off."

http://www.wftv.com/news/19521509/detail.html

Those were M&M's strategic reasons not the Anthonys. JMO

[Tornado]

Sawgrass - oops I told a story because:

Blanchard Park - oops I told a story because:

IMO, YES, she told yet another version. admitting her death, but not 'directly' responsible for 'causing' it. (said version delivered after her remains were found).

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*


I know, I know- after I asked, I knew the answer. Backing away from the kool-aide slowly.........:scared:

[desmom]

Will Casey's Reaction Video Be Released?
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/5/24/will_casey39s_reaction_video_be_released.html

A big hearing is expected this week in the Casey Anthony criminal case.

Slideshow: The many men in the life of Casey Anthony
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m5d24-Slideshow-The-many-men-in-the-life-of-Casey-Anthony

Slideshow: http://www.examiner.com/examinerslideshow.html?entryid=268183

[Dick Tracy]

Sawgrass - oops I told a story because:

Blanchard Park - oops I told a story because:

IMO, YES, she told yet another version. admitting her death, but not 'directly' responsible for 'causing' it. (said version delivered after her remains were found).

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*


Hi Pru - Good Sunday Evening to you. I know you know this case inside and out, and from many different logical angles. I'm referring to a post made over the weekend where you felt that Caylee was "battered to death" out of rage, that Sunday night June 15th after the big fight (THE HUGE ANTHONY SECRET) Where do you think this occurance took place? Where did Casey go that night? Do you think she slept in her car from 3:45 to 7:45am with the dead body?

[bchand]

Those were M&M's strategic reasons not the Anthonys. JMO

Oh yes, exactly. That's what I was talking about - M&M's strategy for preferring that Lee didn't go first.

Sorry if I misunderstood the conversation.

[Pruddennce]

I know, I know- after I asked, I knew the answer. Backing away from the kool-aide slowly.........:scared:

lol :D

I really believe she delivered another story....a 'confession' of sorts. after all, his investigative team didnt find a ZG, a Jeff and Zack, a Jennifer and mom Gloria, etc etc.

Im betting it was pretty comprehensive....all those pings....all those calls to her mother's workplace....she called Cindy but it wasnt a direct line...the #'s she called were to a switchboard to be directed to her phone. She has alot to explain and Im sure she came up with a doozy.....

however, IMO, he isnt going to offer up a confession. he's going to allude to her new story with no evidence to back it up.

calls to Cindy's workplace: handwritten page 4300

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-03/45412784.pdf

in addition to Cindy's workplace, we still havent seen full disclosure between their cell phones. (IIRC).

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[lizzard]

Yes Kanzz .

Its apparent he has suffered a spinal injury in the past which has rendered him a paraplegic .How devastating that must have been for him ,yet he goes on as many do and tried to maintain his LIFE.

So absolutely mind blowing that he is made fun of ,persecuted ,ridiculed .....most especially about his handicap in this scenario !



WOW is an understatement .

Note to self ,do not Feed the troLLs .

[Lapis]

Oh yes, exactly. That's what I was talking about - M&M's strategy for preferring that Lee didn't go first.

Sorry if I misunderstood the conversation.

Sorry I misunderstood, I took it to be the Anthony strategy. Not that I understand the difference for M&M either. JMO

[apothecary]

From my backyard. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/MemorialDay004.jpg It's hard to see the double unless you look hard.
That was beautiful.Thanks for showing it.

[Pruddennce]

Hi Pru - Good Sunday Evening to you. I know you know this case inside and out, and from many different logical angles. I'm referring to a post made over the weekend where you felt that Caylee was "battered to death" out of rage, that Sunday night June 15th after the big fight (THE HUGE ANTHONY SECRET) Where do you think this occurance took place? Where did Casey go that night? Do you think she slept in her car from 3:45 to 7:45am with the dead body?

hey its DT!

I remember in one of the doc dumps there was a witness who 'thought he saw her' walking around the front of a hotel (he thought she was a hooker)....I believe its in the tips section....will have to go dig...

but aside from that, Im not very good at remembering the ping locations, therefore, there may or may not be something to that suggested sighting....not that she was staying there, but got out of her car and was hanging around, deciding what to do.

I think she strangled her in the car, she was so raged. and I do believe she was out all nite in her car....at some point in the area of her development.....which places her back near the home, cell pings.

GA IMO is lying based on how he worded his response, upon his arrival home from work that nite, "I saw her car, and was LEAD TO BELIEVE SHE AND CAYLEE were in the home'. Lead to believe? "I know my wife was home'. ??????? and never volunteers one thing about the morning of the 16th.

who could remember what someone was wearing a month ago? esp TWO wardrobes? he's lying. (IMO)

I also think its possible she did come home to get things the following day, saw GA at 'ten to one', didnt give him the time of day and then she proceeded to call Cindy later in the day....which her cell phone records indicate.

my guess is she grabbed caylee's blanket, trash bags and clothes bag, either the 16th or any of the other days that week when she was sneaking back in the home.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[bchand]

Sorry I misunderstood, I took it to be the Anthony strategy. Not that I understand the difference for M&M either. JMO

Well the only way it could be the Anthony strategy is IF Conway was faking a back injury and I don't believe he was.

Once the hearing had to be postponed, I think M&M decided they did not want to discuss only Lee and give anything away to G&C's attorney.

They want them both discussed at the same time.

[apothecary]

Yes Kanzz .

Its apparent he has suffered a spinal injury in the past which has rendered him a paraplegic .How devastating that must have been for him ,yet he goes on as many do and tried to maintain his LIFE.

So absolutely mind blowing that he is made fun of ,persecuted ,ridiculed .....most especially about his handicap in this scenario !


WOW is an understatement .
No one made fun of his handicap:huh:

[summer4meplz]

I think that he thinks that she has told him what she thinks is the truth.


just as he has told her what he thinks she needs to know.....

[summer4meplz]

No one made fun of his handicap:huh:


some ppl come on message boards for the sole purpose of starting arguments.....I think these are the kind of ppl cindy was referring to....the sad lonely fat bloggers.:confused:


do you think brad's back was really out....personally I think he was lying....I think he is totally unprepared to go up against morgan and mitnick in that huge beautiful courtroom on television......his back maybe was out from pure stress........
mo

[bchand]

some ppl come on message boards for the sole purpose of starting arguments.....I think these are the kind of ppl cindy was referring to....the sad lonely fat bloggers.:confused:


do you think brad's back was really out....personally I think he was lying....I think he is totally unprepared to go up against morgan and mitnick in that huge beautiful courtroom on television......his back maybe was out from pure stress........
mo

My back does that occasionally. lol

Morgan and Mitnik DID predict fireworks that day didn't they?

[ttcRider]

Note to self ,do not Feed the troLLs .

I have a feeling , yoU are going to bE challenging yourself! :wink:

[Lapis]

Well the only way it could be the Anthony strategy is IF Conway was faking a back injury and I don't believe he was.

Once the hearing had to be postponed, I think M&M decided they did not want to discuss only Lee and give anything away to G&C's attorney.

They want them both discussed at the same time.

That or they want the Anthonys to sweat it a little longer. IIRC the question they want answered by Lee has something to do with who Caylee's father is. He did answer he doesn't know so this motion has the least chance of success IMO. Why give C&G the chance to think the judge may not grant the motion with regard to them. There is no love lost between the Anthonys and Mitnik. JMO

[bchand]

That or they want the Anthonys to sweat it a little longer. IIRC the question they want answered by Lee has something to do with who Caylee's father is. He did answer he doesn't know so this motion has the least chance of success IMO. Why give C&G the chance to think the judge may not grant the motion with regard to them. There is no love lost between the Anthonys and Mitnik. JMO

I agree. Do you think M&M can bring up or even show Judge Rodriguez video of the Anthony's depositions in support of their lack of cooperation?

[Lapis]

I agree. Do you think M&M can bring up or even show Judge Rodriguez video of the Anthony's depositions in support of their lack of cooperation?

I suppose they can try to play it if they want, however the transcript is in the record and the judge may not let them. Their attitude is really not relevant. IMO the question will stand or not on its own merit. If its relevant the judge will order it answered if not he won't. JMO

[spiritwolf46]

some ppl come on message boards for the sole purpose of starting arguments.....I think these are the kind of ppl cindy was referring to....the sad lonely fat bloggers.:confused:


do you think brad's back was really out....personally I think he was lying....I think he is totally unprepared to go up against morgan and mitnick in that huge beautiful courtroom on television......his back maybe was out from pure stress........
mo

Good evening Summer and all!

I think that Conway was, in fact, lying! I personally think that Cindy was throwing a FIT and did not want to go and he made this up. JMOO, that is!

[cassidy]

Good evening Summer and all!

I think that Conway was, in fact, lying! I personally think that Cindy was throwing a FIT and did not want to go and he made this up. JMOO, that is!


My opinion matches your opinion.

and it's JMO

[spiritwolf46]

My opinion matches your opinion.

and it's JMO

Great minds, aye Cassidy? :thumbsup:

[cassidy]

Great minds, aye Cassidy? :thumbsup:

Yeppers :)

[ttcRider]

Yeppers :)

uh-huh :cool:

[spiritwolf46]

... is there anybody out there? I've been gone for the weekend nearly had a bird because there was no one on the Caylee thread. I came to my senses and here I am. :w00t: Voila!

Is there anything new? I did check the links but there doesn't appear to be anything new on there. Can someone please PM me if there's something big that I missed. Sanks, folks. It is so good to be home.

Hi AnniePooh!

Good to see ya!

[lizzard]

My opinion matches your opinion.

and it's JMO

I also.

jmo, imo, omo, imho, mhoo, eopo, opoa, etc.
all bases covered.

[Kokopelli]

I also.

jmo, imo, omo, imho, mhoo, eopo, opoa, etc.
all bases covered.

Howdy, and mo matches all you "jmo's" 2! :laugh:

[spiritwolf46]

WOW! It sure is quiet! :scared:

Does anyone know when the hearing will take place in making the A's answer Morgan's questions?

IIRC, the docket for this Judge seemed pretty full and was not answered the other day while they were in court, but was not sure if something was scheduled since then.

ETA: I spoke too soon.

[lizzard]

WOW! It sure is quiet! :scared:

Does anyone know when the hearing will take place in making the A's answer Morgan's questions?

IIRC, the docket for this Judge seemed pretty full and was not answered the other day while they were in court, but was not sure if something was scheduled since then.

ETA: I spoke too soon.
my bold

:punch:

I don't think the hearing has been scheduled yet.

[spiritwolf46]

my bold

:punch:

I don't think the hearing has been scheduled yet.

LOL! Thank you! :tonguewag:

[spiritwolf46]

Well put, Lizzie. He doesn't have a nervous titter the way I've observed others in the past; he has more of a raucous laugh, like he's really getting a kick out of the story he's telling. MHOO

ITA! Some people will give a little "I cannot comprehend the horrible situation" type of laugh. Lee give a HUGE "i just heard the funniest thing" type of laugh.

I have found him extremely inappropriate with his laughter at such awful times! :angry:

[spiritwolf46]

Im with you on that spirit, and happy belated!

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Thank you, Pru!!!! Very much appreciated! :wub:

[Pruddennce]

Throw it out of every court and make ZG get a J O B , stop feeding off the state , mandatory TUBAL , 6 kids are ENUF , and not a father in sight !


Yes its quite obvious ~!

snipping because there isnt much to address.....Casey and her so-called attorney filed a counter suit.....they should have been more astute......but alas......ya get what ya pay for....(oh, I forgot, Casey is INDIGENT.....)

maybe the anthonys should get a job. then they would have a shot at hiring "A REAL ATTORNEY' to represent them. ya get what ya pay for......(oh thats right, the Anthonys DONT HAVE A JOB OR ANY MONEY....)

:D

so far, they have managed to get on planes, jet off, do sitdown interviews, put the BLING on and 'play the distraught grandparents'.....how do you suppose they are living, besides living off of their son's employment...

GET A JOB? the anthonys are doing what? last time I looked, they were forming a scam operation......ahoy mateys! the SS fishing boat to 'look' for missing kids.....

R Cummings had pretty good advice: a PUBLIC statement was issued telling them to stay away......

and hopefully it will be 'word up' going forward for other unsuspecting individuals who find themselves caught up in a tragedy involving a child............


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[spiritwolf46]

snipping because there isnt much to address.....Casey and her so-called attorney filed a counter suit.....they should have been more astute......but alas......ya get what ya pay for....(oh, I forgot, Casey is INDIGENT.....)

maybe the anthonys should get a job. then they would have a shot at hiring "A REAL ATTORNEY' to represent them. ya get what ya pay for......(oh thats right, the Anthonys DONT HAVE A JOB OR ANY MONEY....)

:D

so far, they have managed to get on planes, jet off, do sitdown interviews, put the BLING on and 'play the distraught grandparents'.....how do you suppose they are living, besides living off of their son's employment...

GET A JOB? the anthonys are doing what? last time I looked, they were forming a scam operation......ahoy mateys! the SS fishing boat to 'look' for missing kids.....

R Cummings had pretty good advice: a PUBLIC statement was issued telling them to stay away......

and hopefully it will be 'word up' going forward for other unsuspecting individuals who find themselves involved in a tragedy involving a child............


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I just :wub: you!!!!

GREAT POST! :D

[seeing_eye]

snipping because there isnt much to address.....Casey and her so-called attorney filed a counter suit.....they should have been more astute......but alas......ya get what ya pay for....(oh, I forgot, Casey is INDIGENT.....)

maybe the anthonys should get a job. then they would have a shot at hiring "A REAL ATTORNEY' to represent them. ya get what ya pay for......(oh thats right, the Anthonys DONT HAVE A JOB OR ANY MONEY....)

:D

so far, they have managed to get on planes, jet off, do sitdown interviews, put the BLING on and 'play the distraught grandparents'.....how do you suppose they are living, besides living off of their son's employment...

GET A JOB? the anthonys are doing what? last time I looked, they were forming a scam operation......ahoy mateys! the SS fishing boat to 'look' for missing kids.....

R Cummings had pretty good advice: a PUBLIC statement was issued telling them to stay away......

and hopefully it will be 'word up' going forward for other unsuspecting individuals who find themselves caught up in a tragedy involving a child............


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Good point, Pru. However, I think by this time the Anthonys have defamed themselves to the point they probably have less chance of obtaining employment than ZG. But the difference is they brought it upon themselves!

[spiritwolf46]

Good point, Pru. However, I think by this time the Anthonys have defamed themselves to the point they probably have less chance of obtaining employment than ZG. But the difference is they brought it upon themselves!

I am not Pru, but agree that the A's have brought it upon themselves! In fact, all the hatred out there and in here towards them has been brought upon themselves!

They have SELF destructed from the very beginning!

Horrible people all the way around! :sneaky:

[seeing_eye]

I am not Pru, but agree that the A's have brought it upon themselves! In fact, all the hatred out there and in here towards them has been brought upon themselves!

They have SELF destructed from the very beginning!

Horrible people all the way around! :sneaky:

In the very beginning I had nothing but sympathy for the Anthonys, but they changed my mind about them by their antics, lies, lack of character and lack of integrity. They made it pretty clear from their own words and actions what type of people they are.

[Imperfect4]

ITA spirit!

And is there ever an appropriate time to slobber and slurp all over your wrist?

Let me think ... um ... NO! :scared:

[Kokopelli]

Morgan and Mitnik LOL..what a CREW ! HOW do they THINK they can put damages on loss of employment , lack of employment when ZG was NOT employed when this happened ? MITNIK and MORGAN BOTH have said this on LIVE T.V ....talk about looking back and running video clips !


What is M&M going to say when the defense run those TV clips BACK where they BOTH admit this and play it live for THEM ! ?

"Sorry your honor she doesn't speak good English and we thought she said she had a J O B and was working ...."


"Or how bout the clients REAL NAME trying to EXPLAIN THAT, like how they have used official court documents and documented her the plaintiffs name as ZENAIDA FERNANDEZ GONZALEZ ! " WHAT ~!~"

Or how bout when the DEFENSE proves that the only damages that occurred are what " Z G " and her Attorneys created for her , actually she is in a better SPOT NOW ...she is now famous and selling her story to the highest bidders ..............at least she has in the past when this first became an issue , like it was EVER an issue !


The Attorneys need to have a COV for this CIVIL case , rational people will not be fooled by ANY OF THIS ,and the civil case can not remain impartial with a fair ruling because of the HATE......people on the message boards have freely admitted they would rule for ZG just as a chance to get back at the ANTHONY's alone !


Throw it out of every court and make ZG get a J O B , stop feeding off the state , mandatory TUBAL , 6 kids are ENUF , and not a father in sight !


Yes its quite obvious ~!
His Honor Jose, a much wiser man than yourself will not throw this case out of court.
MITNIK & MORGAN = MEN OF GOD! :thumbup:

[AbbyNormal]

Good evening Summer and all!

I think that Conway was, in fact, lying! I personally think that Cindy was throwing a FIT and did not want to go and he made this up. JMOO, that is!

The timing was a little too convienent.......does anyone else wonder if Cindy might have physically assaulted him? She was scarey mad when they left the courtroom the day before. jmo

[spiritwolf46]

In the very beginning I had nothing but sympathy for the Anthonys, but they changed my mind about them by their antics, lies, lack of character and lack of integrity. They made it pretty clear from their own words and actions what type of people they are.

I had sympathy for George and Lee at the very beginning, but NEVER SINdy! She turned my stomach when she talked and basically demanded attention for herself!

Let's not forget her appearance on NG and the infamous interview with Greta! She was absolutely HORRIBLE from the get-go!

Here ya go. For all your listening disturbances! :tonguewag:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0vFUavy9iU

[Dick Tracy]

hey its DT!

I remember in one of the doc dumps there was a witness who 'thought he saw her' walking around the front of a hotel (he thought she was a hooker)....I believe its in the tips section....will have to go dig...

but aside from that, Im not very good at remembering the ping locations, therefore, there may or may not be something to that suggested sighting....not that she was staying there, but got out of her car and was hanging around, deciding what to do.

I think she strangled her in the car, she was so raged. and I do believe she was out all nite in her car....at some point in the area of her development.....which places her back near the home, cell pings.

GA IMO is lying based on how he worded his response, upon his arrival home from work that nite, "I saw her car, and was LEAD TO BELIEVE SHE AND CAYLEE were in the home'. Lead to believe? "I know my wife was home'. ??????? and never volunteers one thing about the morning of the 16th.

who could remember what someone was wearing a month ago? esp TWO wardrobes? he's lying. (IMO)

I also think its possible she did come home to get things the following day, saw GA at 'ten to one', didnt give him the time of day and then she proceeded to call Cindy later in the day....which her cell phone records indicate.

my guess is she grabbed caylee's blanket, trash bags and clothes bag, either the 16th or any of the other days that week when she was sneaking back in the home.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Ping locations... Yes... There are two primary cell phone towers that link to any cell phone call made from the Anthony home. I'm trying to determine if one was more likely than the other.

I do recall the witness who said he saw her outside of a hotel, and he thought she was "walking the streets" as you suggest. I've been looking for more information on his statement.

I'm starting to think she strangled her also. And I think the murder weapon is the dark belt that was found in the car by LE.

[AbbyNormal]

... is there anybody out there? I've been gone for the weekend nearly had a bird because there was no one on the Caylee thread. I came to my senses and here I am. :w00t: Voila!

Is there anything new? I did check the links but there doesn't appear to be anything new on there. Can someone please PM me if there's something big that I missed. Sanks, folks. It is so good to be home.Hi Annie, welcome back. (Had a bird? Is that like had a fit? I grew up with 'nearly had a cow', lol.) Haven't heard of too much new. Just that Conway didn't appear at the last court hearing, threw out his back -- but that was a few days ago. I'm still catching up with the thread though.

[summer4meplz]

The timing was a little too convienent.......does anyone else wonder if Cindy might have physically assaulted him? She was scarey mad when they left the courtroom the day before. jmo


so true......the look on her face when she was giving the middle finger to a reporter while being videotaped and knowing she was being videotaped.....:scared:

who does that and expects to be called upon to counsel families of missing children?

I'm sure today,,,,in church....her pastor was very proud of her....:rolleyes:

[spiritwolf46]

Well all, I am going to turn in! I hope that everyone has a wonderful rest of the holiday and a very safe on as well!

:wub: and :rose: for you all!

Sleep well!

Night!

[Pruddennce]

I just :wub: you!!!!

GREAT POST! :D

back atcha!

my favorite Casey Anthony statement:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16993169/detail.html


I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think that any of this would be happening? No."

and again, first call:


If I knew where she was, this would not be going on."

for a month she had 'no clue', and 'this' wasnt happening to HER. 'this' meaning thrown in jail because she managed to hide out for a month.

'this' meaning her mother caused her to be thrown in jail.

I feel the bus revving up for trial.....that first jailhouse call was a pound of venom between the two of them.....a little girl 'gone' and their sniping at one another took precedent.....

amazing isnt it?

psychopaths. both of them.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[ccnsd]

Has anyone read in the doc dumps of a conversation through text msg'g between Annie & Toni Lazzario? Someone posted earlier that Annie asked alot of ?'s of Toni.

yvw Spirit :wub: back at cha

[lizzard]

ITA spirit!

And is there ever an appropriate time to slobber and slurp all over your wrist?

Well, if they're really in love..........

[Pruddennce]

Ping locations... Yes... There are two primary cell phone towers that link to any cell phone call made from the Anthony home. I'm trying to determine if one was more likely than the other.

I do recall the witness who said he saw her outside of a hotel, and he thought she was "walking the streets" as you suggest. I've been looking for more information on his statement.

I'm starting to think she strangled her also. And I think the murder weapon is the dark belt that was found in the car by LE.

thanks for the ping info....im ping challenged with regard to 'recall' :D

I was thinking more along the lines of her "ID ON A lanyard, with the shamrocks......Cindy was REAL CONCERNED ABOUT....she claims she put it in her bag, then placed that bag in the laundry area, (which is in the garage IIRC), and then she tells LE IT WAS MISSING.......SOMEONE, LE SHE THINKS, TOOK IT THAT NITE.

now why is she so concerned with it......she claims she was practically throwing evidence at the detectives when they arrived and they didnt want it, but she's all jazzed out about her ID necklace.

makes me go hmmmmmmmmmmm......

does anyone remember if it was part of the evidence collected AND if it went out for testing......

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[ccnsd]

back atcha!

my favorite Casey Anthony statement:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16993169/detail.html


I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think that any of this would be happening? No."

and again, first call:


If I knew where she was, this would not be going on."

for a month she had 'no clue', and 'this' wasnt happening to HER. 'this' meaning thrown in jail because she managed to hide out for a month.

'this' meaning her mother caused her to be thrown in jail.

I feel the bus revving up for trial.....that first jailhouse call was a pound of venom between the two of them.....a little girl 'gone' and their sniping at one another took precedent.....

amazing isnt it?

psychopaths. both of them.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

"*waiting on maggot evidence..[/B]...*

I'm also waiting for those little critters to speak up loudly

[gaelicpeas]

back atcha!

my favorite Casey Anthony statement:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16993169/detail.html


I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think that any of this would be happening? No."

and again, first call:


If I knew where she was, this would not be going on."

for a month she had 'no clue', and 'this' wasnt happening to HER. 'this' meaning thrown in jail because she managed to hide out for a month.

'this' meaning her mother caused her to be thrown in jail.

I feel the bus revving up for trial.....that first jailhouse call was a pound of venom between the two of them.....a little girl 'gone' and their sniping at one another took precedent.....

amazing isnt it?

psychopaths. both of them.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*ah... you and I are on the same page. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Has anyone read in the doc dumps of a conversation through text msg'g between Annie & Toni Lazzario? Someone posted earlier that Annie asked alot of ?'s of Toni.

yvw Spirit :wub: back at chayep... there is some email correspondence from Annie to TonE. It is in one of the doc dumps. No response from TonE to Annie in the docs, though.

[gaelicpeas]

thanks for the ping info....im ping challenged with regard to 'recall' :D

I was thinking more along the lines of her "ID ON A lanyard, with the shamrocks......Cindy was REAL CONCERNED ABOUT....she claims she put it in her bag, then placed that bag in the laundry area, (which is in the garage IIRC), and then she tells LE IT WAS MISSING.......SOMEONE, LE SHE THINKS, TOOK IT THAT NITE.

now why is she so concerned with it......she claims she was practically throwing evidence at the detectives when they arrived and they didnt want it, but she's all jazzed out about her ID necklace.

makes me go hmmmmmmmmmmm......

does anyone remember if it was part of the evidence collected AND if it went out for testing......

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*I have absolutely (!) no clue why that lanyard was so important. Definitely a mystery, lol.

[ccnsd]

yep... there is some email correspondence from Annie to TonE. It is in one of the doc dumps. No response from TonE to Annie in the docs, though.

Thanks peas,

[AbbyNormal]

Has anyone seen photo's of George's parents online anywhere?

[ccnsd]

Has anyone seen photo's of George's parents online anywhere?

I haven't, were they even at KC's memorial? Would LE interview them like they did Shirley Plesea?

[AbbyNormal]

I haven't, were they even at KC's memorial? Would LE interview them like they did Shirley Plesea?While I'm glad they haven't been drawn into this mess, I'm still curious :sneaky:

[lizzard]

Has anyone seen photo's of George's parents online anywhere?

I've never seen a picture of them anywhere. Where do they live?

[gaelicpeas]

I've never seen a picture of them anywhere. Where do they live?
For some reason, I think they live over near Ft. Myers., a good hour or more south of Tampa/St. Pete area.

[ccnsd]

While I'm glad they haven't been drawn into this mess, I'm still curious :sneaky:

Likewise, I'm curious too

[lizzard]

Someone should have called that preacher man over. We could all have been witnesses to a blessed event. :rolleyes:

I now pronounciate you husband and wrist.

[AbbyNormal]

I now pronounciate you husband and wrist.:laugh: Our family watched Princess Bride this weekend, and the guy that does the wedding ceremony near the end, hee! That's the voice I have stuck in my head now.