Haleigh Marie Cummings 05-25-09

[?noanswer]

New thread as the last one was moved.

Please let Haleigh be found today and add another blessing to be counted on Memorial Day. JMO

[CelticDawn]

http://www.operationfindachild.org/PinARibbon.php

I brought this over too.

[carlybarly]

Thanks for doing this new thread! I did read through the last one again after if was cleaned up, so much nicer that way lol.

It would nice to have something from LE this week or Haleigh turn up (perferrably Haleigh turning up though! )

[lizzard]

New thread as the last one was moved.

Please let Haleigh be found today and add another blessing to be counted on Memorial Day. JMO

Thank you ?noanswer.

Prayers for Haleigh :rose:

A happy Memorial Day to all my American Friends.

For the soldiers who defend/defended both our countries ~ THANK YOU!! :rose:

[?noanswer]

This had dropped to page 2 because no posts. Don't know if anyone thought we did not have a thread today, but here it is. Haleigh come home. JMO

[Peaches]

Good morning everyone, I have not yet read a post because I feel the need to alert everyone of a program on A&E right now. It is called intervention. I t about the lives of druggie and what their families are going through.
I know this is going to make me look naive, but I have seen people stoned many times, but they were outside of my life, luckily. This program has really opened my eyes to so much and I know I can not be the only person on here that really know nothing about drugs and families. Please if like me, turn your TV on and watch.

Wow we now have a board. Hopefully the children will not be here to play, hoping anyway.
I hope today for some good news on Haleigh, we all know she is some where and she needs to be found. Dead or alive, that was hard to write. Family needs closure, Haleigh needs closure, she would not want her family to continue to suffer every day in doubt.
Happy Memorial day to all our veterans, deceased and living. A special thank you to all our brave men and women in uniform and their loved ones.


Good Morning all...............I hope all of you have a wonderful day today.

Thank you seems so little to say to those who wear the uniform of the USA...........because of them we are afforded the freedoms we hold dear. Many in my family have served and have served during times of war...........They give so much for us............Thank you! Prayers for their safety.

Prayers for Haleigh and all those who love here!

BamBam...........the kids who come here will be back. They are trying to have the Haleigh board remove............so sad when they are just forgetting that a little girl is missing ............. and needs to be found.......

Just because they disagree with many of our opinions as to what happened does not mean they should play games here.

Anway................hopefully there will be news of Haleigh soon and that it will be good.

jmoo

[lizzard]

This had dropped to page 2 because no posts. Don't know if anyone thought we did not have a thread today, but here it is. Haleigh come home. JMO

So if people look for the Haleigh thread they'll only see the closed one?
How do we move it up???

Prayers for Haleigh. :wub:

[?noanswer]

So if people look for the Haleigh thread they'll only see the closed one?
How do we move it up???

Prayers for Haleigh. :wub:

I think the closed one has been moved to the regular thread. CW cleaned it up this AM.

I started this one and no one had been posting; therefore it dropped to page 2. This is the only open thread. There is not one to move up. Just start posting on this one. JMO

[Peaches]

Thank you ?noanswer.

Prayers for Haleigh :rose:

A happy Memorial Day to all my American Friends.

For the soldiers who defend/defended both our countries ~ THANK YOU!! :rose:


I second this! Prayers for Haleigh and for all the soldiers who defend/defended both our countries.!

[legalmania]

Haleigh I don't know where you are or if somebody has you but whatever happened I want to dedicate this song to you.

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Now playing: Whitney Houston - Greatest Love of All (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/whitney_houston/track/greatest_love_of_all)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[kitty1182]

Hoping and praying for some news soon.....

[Peaches]

I think the closed one has been moved to the regular thread. CW cleaned it up this AM.

I started this one and no one had been posting; therefore it dropped to page 2. This is the only open thread. There is not one to move up. Just start posting on this one. JMO


Yes............we all need to remember that this thread is about Haleigh!

Hopefully, today will be the day we heard that she is alive~~~~~

[Pat]

As sad as I feel about the plight of Haleigh, I've about given up trying to find anything of interest on this case after the first page with news links.

I take a look at what's being posted and just lose the will to live. Wading through the mess to find an interesting post really is a waste of my time, and the new, tag-team approach to posting just shows this is a game to a number of posters...who regularly get banned and then come right back with more of the same.

I hope she is located soon and whoever is responsible for this (whatever "this" is) is held accountable.

[?noanswer]

As sad as I feel about the plight of Haleigh, I've about given up trying to find anything of interest on this case after the first page with news links.

I take a look at what's being posted and just lose the will to live. Wading through the mess to find an interesting post really is a waste of my time, and the new, tag-team approach to posting just shows this is a game to a number of posters...who regularly get banned and then come right back with more of the same.

I hope she is located soon and whoever is responsible for this (whatever "this" is) is held accountable.

It's true, there has been no real information for quite a while.

Although I had reservation, I held out hope that the last few people claiming they were interested in Haliegh and not themselves, would bring some resolution to the mystery of Haleigh's disappearance. Alas, I think they have done more harm than good. JMO

[Santa'sMom]

It's true, there has been no real information for quite a while.

Although I had reservation, I held out hope that the last few people claiming they were interested in Haliegh and not themselves, would bring some resolution to the mystery of Haleigh's disappearance. Alas, I think they have done more harm than good. JMO

I keep hearing people say that they think so-and-so and such-and-such have done more harm than good but no one ever really explains what they mean. I guess I'm just being dense today but I don't get it. The way I see it, all the little dramas going on are likely to have no effect on LE. They are familiar with that type of behavior and those type of people. The dramatics have kept Haleigh's name and face in the news so that is a positive thing. I am sure that little Adji's family down south would love to have people still seeing his little face in the news several times a week. As far as John Q Public, what does it matter what most people think anyway? It's not like JQP is out there searching for her or trying to run down leads. They might be talking about her family but at least they are keeping her in mind. If posters here didn't talk about the family dynamics, what would they talk about? There is a missing little girl, who supposedly was taken from her bed on the floor just a few feet from where her babysitter/now-stepmother was supposedly sleeping. There are only so many things to talk about. Some people believe Ronald and/or Misty is guilty of whatever. Some believe Crystal somehow pulled it off, others believe it was a stranger abduction. Ok. I get it. Everyone has their own opinion. So why does it have to turn into a fight every night? And it seems to me like some of the people who have been talking down others today have done the same thing the ones they are dissing have done. Everyone says, "It's all about Haleigh" and then they all go forward with their own opinions. Yes. I know I'm being preachy but darn, sometimes I come on here and it feels like I'm in a kindergarten classroom. Ok. I'm getting off my pedestal before it falls. all my very own opinion, etc., et al.

[bookie]

It's true, there has been no real information for quite a while.

Although I had reservation, I held out hope that the last few people claiming they were interested in Haliegh and not themselves, would bring some resolution to the mystery of Haleigh's disappearance. Alas, I think they have done more harm than good. JMO


Afternoon ?no. I never thought Cobra was in Satsuma because of interest in Haleigh. From day one I saw it as a publicity stunt. I think he thought he would get the coverge Lenny got.

[legalmania]

Does anyone know about the attorney that Crystal hired and is she still seeking custody of the boy?

[bookie]

Does anyone know about the attorney that Crystal hired and is she still seeking custody of the boy?

Kim Picazio has been laying low lately. She, Crystal and Marie all left town so I'm wondering if the DCF report is in and not favorable to them.

[?noanswer]

Kim Picazio has been laying low lately. She, Crystal and Marie all left town so I'm wondering if the DCF report is in and not favorable to them.

I wonder if she will make a public reponse to Cobra's charge that she was behind his arrest. He also said some pretty strong things about CS. Were any of them (KP, CS, MG) at the Blue Crab Festival. I thought they were going to be there handing out flyers, etc. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Kim Picazio has been laying low lately. She, Crystal and Marie all left town so I'm wondering if the DCF report is in and not favorable to them.

They could have gone home to spend the holiday weekend with their respective families.

Just a thought.

[bookie]

I wonder if she will make a public reponse to Cobra's charge that she was behind his arrest. He also said some pretty strong things about CS. Were any of them (KP, CS, MG) at the Blue Crab Festival. I thought they were going to be there handing out flyers, etc. JMO

She did make a weak comment about his claim that she was behind his arrest but imo it lacked steam.

The article I read earlier said Marie was back on her bus route and Crystal was back at home. No mention of the festival.

[bookie]

They could have gone home to spend the holiday weekend with their respective families.

Just a thought.



According to the latest article Marie is back driving a bus. Doesn't sound like someone going home just for the holiday.

[lizzard]

I wonder if she will make a public reponse to Cobra's charge that she was behind his arrest. He also said some pretty strong things about CS. Were any of them (KP, CS, MG) at the Blue Crab Festival. I thought they were going to be there handing out flyers, etc. JMO

I think I read yesterday that Cobra was there, but not the others.

I went back to check on what's left of yesterday's thread, no luck.

JMO

[?noanswer]

I think I read yesterday that Cobra was there, but not the others.

I went back to check on what's left of yesterday's thread, no luck.

JMO

Did you check the regular thread? Usually, CW moves it after she cleans it up (which she had done before I got online this AM). http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=353922 (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=353922 JMO) JMO

[lizzard]

According to the latest article Marie is back driving a bus. Doesn't sound like someone going home just for the holiday.

KP may have, though. Maybe we'll hear something from her tomorrow.

[Pat]

What is the latest on the HaleighBug center? Is it even open anymore? I read Picazio was financing it, but with Crystal and Marie gone, is it viable to try to keep it open 24hrs a day like they'd originally planned? If donations aren't coming in, someone has to pay the bills and make the hard decision on whether or not the building has lost it's effectiveness and simply close it.

Frankly, with what we've read about the local activities, I wouldn't want to be in a building like that on my own (even with another woman) at night, especially with a baby. Didn't we also read there were really no tips coming in? If they think tips might be called in, couldn't they just get a cell phone for that? That isn't a healthy environment for children and, after three months, Cloe needs to be at home in safer, more stable and familiar surroundings.

I don't see any of this turning out well for anyone. Picazio and Cobra have already turned on each other...add to the mix TJ Hart and Art Harris, who haven't declared sides yet and who knows how ugly it will get before it ends.

ETA: Sorry, bam bam. I was writing my post and then saw your post on the HaleighBug building.

[?noanswer]

According to the latest article Marie is back driving a bus. Doesn't sound like someone going home just for the holiday.

School will be out pretty soon. Wonder if she will come back down there then. JMO

[?noanswer]

What is the latest on the HaleighBug center? Is it even open anymore? I read Picazio was financing it, but with Crystal and Marie gone, is it viable to try to keep it open 24hrs a day like they'd originally planned? If donations aren't coming in, someone has to pay the bills and make the hard decision on whether or not the building has lost it's effectiveness and simply close it.

Frankly, with what we've read about the local activities, I wouldn't want to be in a building like that on my own (even with another woman) at night, especially with a baby. Didn't we also read there were really no tips coming in? If they think tips might be called in, couldn't they just get a cell phone for that? That isn't a healthy environment for children and, after three months, Cloe needs to be at home in safer, more stable and familiar surroundings.

I don't see any of this turning out well for anyone. Picazio and Cobra have already turned on each other...add to the mix TJ Hart and Art Harris, who haven't declared sides yet and who knows how ugly it will get before it ends.

Last I heard from KP, she was in process of getting not-for-profit status and was going to hire someone to staff the center.

It seemed AH might have been trying to put a little distance between himself & Cobra yesterday on the blogger radio show. Course the people and most of the commenters on there are having a love fest for Cobra.

I don't see KP standing idly by and not responding to the charges Cobra made against her and CS.

I don't think we will be hearing much from Cobra anymore. Will he be tried on the charges? He'll probably take a plea deal, if he can get his license back in force. JMO

[lizzard]

Did you check the regular thread? Usually, CW moves it after she cleans it up (which she had done before I got online this AM). http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=353922 (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=353922 JMO) JMO


Yup, that's where I checked. The post I think I remember has either been deleted or I made it up. Entirely possible.:laugh:

jmo

[?noanswer]

Yup, that's where I checked. The post I think I remember has either been deleted or I made it up. Entirely possible.:laugh:

jmo

There were lots of posts deleted!!! JMO

[?noanswer]

Maybe KP will let the public know what is happening, things can change overnight in this case.
Maybe we could hear breaking news any time that Haleigh has been found and alive.
I do have suspicions about Crystal's dad moving to Kentucky, especially if KP was planning on using him for a witness to have JR. removed from his father's custody. I don't that will ever happen.

ETA: NO problem Pat, I do it all the time. LOL

If what Crystal's dad said in that interview about KP telling CS that the dad was going to take JR away from her if she got custody, I doubt if the dad is going to cooperate with KP. Course family fueds can turn on a dime. http://writeintoaction.com/COBRA.htm


JMO

[calamitygirl]

On the AH site, did anyone read #88??

I wonder, could it be true??

[cat3]

On the AH site, did anyone read #88??

I wonder, could it be true??

Not until you mentioned it.lol.Do you mean the one that said she met the Cummings and they were good people?

I can't figure out why JS let Cobra say that Crystal was using drugs.Could there be some truth in that story?
And why the move of JS and Connie to Kentucky.What's in Kentucky for them? IMO

[calamitygirl]

Not until you mentioned it.lol.Do you mean the one that said she met the Cummings and they were good people?

I can't figure out why JS let Cobra say that Crystal was using drugs.Could there be some truth in that story?
And why the move of JS and Connie to Kentucky.What's in Kentucky for them? IMO

Yes, I hope its true. Its good to hear postive things on Haleighs family. The best would be to hear she was found.

Crystal and drugs??? Anything is possible with anyone.

All I read about KY is family is there.

[JackiBlu]

Maybe KP will let the public know what is happening, things can change overnight in this case.
Maybe we could hear breaking news any time that Haleigh has been found and alive.
I do have suspicions about Crystal's dad moving to Kentucky, especially if KP was planning on using him for a witness to have JR. removed from his father's custody. I don't that will ever happen.

ETA: NO problem Pat, I do it all the time. LOL

Bam I agree. I would like to know why Johnny Sheffield is moving to Kentucky. With him so worried about his granddaughter Haleigh missing why move so far away? According to both him and Cobra he has been out searching, even when sick, in 4 different counties.

Also, why isn't Crystal speaking to her dad? Why would she think Johnny and Connie would take custody away from her? Cobra said Johnny was the one who raised Haleigh until Ronald stole her.

None of this makes any sense.

Here is the link for interviews of Johnny Sheffield and Cobra.

http://writeintoaction.com/COBRA.htm

JMO

[lizzard]

On the AH site, did anyone read #88??

I wonder, could it be true??

Do you mean #88 on here:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/the-bald-truth-on-cnn-jane-velez-mitchell/#comments

[JackiBlu]

Yes, I hope its true. Its good to hear postive things on Haleighs family. The best would be to hear she was found.

Crystal and drugs??? Anything is possible with anyone.

All I read about KY is family is there.

I have been told they have family in Tenn not Ky. That's why I'm wondering why Ky.

JMO

[bookie]

On the AH site, did anyone read #88??

I wonder, could it be true??


I don't know but I wonder if Cobra listens to and processes what he says. According to that article Cobra told Art he was told by C E Parish not to revoke Snodgrass and "not to pick that man up" but claims he had the go ahead.

[calamitygirl]

Do you mean #88 on here:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/the-bald-truth-on-cnn-jane-velez-mitchell/#comments

Sorry, no. This one by Ava:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/23/haleigh-cummings-cobra-arrested-bonds-out/

[cat3]

Yes, I hope its true. Its good to hear postive things on Haleighs family. The best would be to hear she was found.

Crystal and drugs??? Anything is possible with anyone.

All I read about KY is family is there.

I agree.It was great to read something positive being posted about the Cummings side of the family.And yes the best news would be to hear that she has been found alive and well.
I can't imagine JS sitting there while Cobra said what he did about Crystal.I believe JS was there because he told the interviewer,"here is Cobra" and then Cobra started talking.
Why wouldn't Sheffield speak up for his own daughter if the allegations from Cobra were not true?
I'm just concerned about Crystal possibly getting custody of Jr and of course she should try to help herself,IF she does have such a problem.
Thanks for letting me know about family in Kentucky.That would explain the move.IMO

[?noanswer]

Do you think there is a remote possibility that J.Sheffield has Haleigh hid somewhere and moving to Kentucky is where he plans to eventually get her back and raise her?? I hope not, but maybe his wife really thought those picture's were really abuse and determined to get her away from Ron and Misty.
Maybe they never thought things would come to this, grab her and run to Kentucky where the laws favor the mother, in this case grandmother. MOO

While I hope that someone has Haleigh who loves her and is taking care of her, I can't see anyone being that dumb. They have to know that eventually, someone will discover her. When that happens they will be in big trouble. JMO

[cat3]

I have been told they have family in Tenn not Ky. That's why I'm wondering why Ky.

JMO

hmm.I have no idea where they have family.Even though I'm not a fan of Cobra,he said that he has checked out Ron's side of the family and is now going to check out the other side.If what KP said is true that LE hasn't paid much attention to Crystal and family,then I'm glad someone will be doing so.As long as it doesn't turn into another circus.IMO

[lizzard]

Sorry, no. This one by Ava:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/23/haleigh-cummings-cobra-arrested-bonds-out/

Thanks, calamitygirl, I search funny. :blushing:

I pray this is true. Haleigh is truly loved. :wub:

[calamitygirl]

I agree.It was great to read something positive being posted about the Cummings side of the family.And yes the best news would be to hear that she has been found alive and well.
I can't imagine JS sitting there while Cobra said what he did about Crystal.I believe JS was there because he told the interviewer,"here is Cobra" and then Cobra started talking.
Why wouldn't Sheffield speak up for his own daughter if the allegations from Cobra were not true?
I'm just concerned about Crystal possibly getting custody of Jr and of course she should try to help herself,IF she does have such a problem.
Thanks for letting me know about family in Kentucky.That would explain the move.IMO

I personally do not believe what comes out of JS's mouth. Not since it was told he watched his grandchild be abused and did nothing, except say it in court.
I don't really know if JS has family there, only what I remember reading.

[calamitygirl]

Thanks, calamitygirl, I search funny. :blushing:

I pray this is true. Haleigh is truly loved. :wub:

I pray for it too lizzard. cute name :wink: I had a lizzard once, name was Izzy.

[?noanswer]

Getting a late start today.everyone has left and the house is quite. I was one that never thought Cobra came into this case for Haleigh. imo he was THE STUNT but I was willing to give him a chance as there was always the belief that someone could help. I was proven right with my first impression. I now am interested in knowing if Cobra knows more about some of the family members than they want him to know. Now the drama has switched from Cobra and his compadres to "guess what I know about you and you and oh yea and you?"
From one day to another I guess there will be more drama and more accusations coming from Cobra and KP. I am convinced Satsuma LE has been focused on finding Haleigh or finding out what has happened to her from the beginning and will not give up. imo LE knows more than we do and it will break this case and Haleigh will come home. One way or the other.
I hope everyone had a good Memorial Day and kept in mind what this day stands for.

I wonder if LE has ever experienced a side show such as the one KP and Cobra are performing. I also wonder if they are sitting on the sidelines, snickering and saying "give them enough rope and they will hang themselves". JMO

[Peaches]

Getting a late start today.everyone has left and the house is quite. I was one that never thought Cobra came into this case for Haleigh. imo he was THE STUNT but I was willing to give him a chance as there was always the belief that someone could help. I was proven right with my first impression. I now am interested in knowing if Cobra knows more about some of the family members than they want him to know. Now the drama has switched from Cobra and his compadres to "guess what I know about you and you and oh yea and you?"
From one day to another I guess there will be more drama and more accusations coming from Cobra and KP. I am convinced Satsuma LE has been focused on finding Haleigh or finding out what has happened to her from the beginning and will not give up. imo LE knows more than we do and it will break this case and Haleigh will come home. One way or the other.
I hope everyone had a good Memorial Day and kept in mind what this day stands for.



ITA..............what a wonderful FIRST post! Welcome!

[bookie]

I have a question and maybe one of you good people will be able to help me.
I am not that familiar with DCF only what I have read in different cases and the media from time to time when there is a case that catches the headlines. I have read the Florida DCF rules and standards and it stands to reason each case would be different.
Can the court request a drug test on each of Haleigh's parents if and when there is a custody hearing?


IMO yes they can.

[calamitygirl]

I have a question and maybe one of you good people will be able to help me.
I am not that familiar with DCF only what I have read in different cases and the media from time to time when there is a case that catches the headlines. I have read the Florida DCF rules and standards and it stands to reason each case would be different.
Can the court request a drug test on each of Haleigh's parents if and when there is a custody hearing?

Welcome dasiy. I don't see why they can't request a drug test, since both parents have a history with it. But I really don't know.

[kitty1182]

I still think she is hid out by a family member....I feel she is alive and well.....I hope somebody sees her if this is true and will let LE know...

[?noanswer]

I have a question and maybe one of you good people will be able to help me.
I am not that familiar with DCF only what I have read in different cases and the media from time to time when there is a case that catches the headlines. I have read the Florida DCF rules and standards and it stands to reason each case would be different.
Can the court request a drug test on each of Haleigh's parents if and when there is a custody hearing?

One would think they could, but I don't know the rules. They would probably have to get a court order and it would have to be random. That might be the problem. Unless they are always under the influence, then the results might not be positive. Then the test could not be used against them. JMO

[bookie]

Welcome dasiy. I don't see why they can't request a drug test, since both parents have a history with it. But I really don't know.



IIRC the judge in Britney Spears custody case ordered her to take a drug test. Granted that's in California but I believe it is something a judge can order because they wouldn't risk placing a child with a parent who is using drugs.

[calamitygirl]

IIRC the judge in Britney Spears custody case ordered her to take a drug test. Granted that's in California but I believe it is something a judge can order because they wouldn't risk placing a child with a parent who is using drugs.

Makes sense to me. I think some laws should be across board for all states. That would stop the running from one state to another.

[calamitygirl]

Is this on the AH site? I have not been able to read there today. Can we talk about the post you directed us to?

They have been doing it, unless something has changed dasiy

[calamitygirl]

many thanks bam bam do you know where we can send the family money to help them. i can not send much but i would very much like to help them.

This is the site Ron's lawyers put up for him. You can contact them.

http://findhaleighnow.com/Index.html

[bookie]

I had decided not to post here anymore because this thread has become nothing more than a play ground for misfits.

snipped per CW


MY OPINION


Crystal and her attorney are the ones who made this about custody. They are the reasons we talk about custody, Crystals drug use, her admitted laziness when it came to taking her sick child to the dr. They are the reason the focus hasn't been on Haleigh.

Having said that...my posts on a message board aren't taking the focus off of Haleigh. My posts have no influence on how LE handles their investigation. My posts aren't even a blip on LE's radar when it comes to Haleigh and THEIR focus is what is needed on Haleigh.

[bookie]

IIRC it has been said that several family members saw abuse of Haleigh and Jr. at the hands of their father but some waited untill after Haleigh went missing to report it to Crystal but not to LE. No link. all imo and what I recall.


Crystal's cousin Candice claimed she watched Ron backhand Haleigh in the face and knock her to the ground but didn't bother to tell Crystal until she got to Satsuma after Haleigh's disappearance. That is not believable to me knowing how quick a member of my extended family would be on the phone to me if that happened to a child or grandchild of mine.

[FallenAngel♥]

I had decided not to post here anymore because this thread has become nothing more than a play ground for misfits.

It is despicable that the very people on this forum that talk about Crystal and Kim taking the focus off Haleigh are doing the same thing and MORE with their constant diatribe about custody, back child support, abuse, make overs, pictures on myspace and all the other insane comments against the grieving mother of a missing child and for what? To support the likes of Ronald Cummings? Why do you people not question what is Ronald doing to find his daughter? Why do you make excuses for him when he has proven that he is a liar, a drug addict, a thief and a self centered whiner now in hiding that is doing NOTHING to help his missing child.





MY OPINION

* snipped for space*



I think its funny you don't want to post here anymore if people talk about Crystal and her lawyer but you are ok with people talking ALL DAY EVERYDAY about Ronald and his lawyer.


You have a nice day... :seeya:

[lizzard]

Just before the evening crowd arrives, might be time for this reminder:

Coldwater
Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
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Correcting error

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If you can't confirm, then it's only a rumor which we do NOT find acceptable on these forums.

my bold

Feel free to bump it if necessary, I posted it on yesterday's thread, and CW did not remove it while housecleaning.

[HouseOfClark]

According to the latest article Marie is back driving a bus. Doesn't sound like someone going home just for the holiday.

I hope it does her a world of good to be back around the school children. She went back to her job and I don't think that's a bad thing.

Even Schauland said "life goes on" (or something very similar).

[bookie]

Time to update the ignore list.

[Brattnt]

Time to update the ignore list.

Yup...I reported it...:seeya:

[calamitygirl]

That's why one should never click on links unless the poster has a proven track record. There's a lot of people here with credible links, but if you're in doubt - always follow your first instinct.

It's usually correct.

:wink:

This site is not a new site, it is just a renamed site. I believe this site mentioned by zwango, opened approx. two weeks ago, but they changed their name already.
I have clicked on this link, the old one and the renamed one, and have no problem with viruses. But as with any site, enter at your own risk.
jmo

[HouseOfClark]

This site is not a new site, it is just a renamed site. I believe this site mentioned by zwango, opened approx. two weeks ago, but they changed their name already.
I have clicked on this link, the old one and the renamed one, and have no problem with viruses. But as with any site, enter at your own risk.
jmo

I'll stick with links from posters with a proven track record. Computer repairs aren't cheap.

[kitty1182]

I'll stick with links from posters with a proven track record. Computer repairs aren't cheap.

Amen!!!!!!! :wink:

[FallenAngel♥]

What is Ronald doing to find his missing child? That is an important topic.

Very important topic......but so are dozens of other things.

[?noanswer]

Time to update the ignore list.

Looks like somebody is on top of things tonight. Now if only Haleigh could be found. JMO

[lizzard]

~Snip

:thumbsup: Thank you!!! :thumbsup:

CLICK


Sly
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:lol:

(stole your smile)

[playnice]

I still think she is hid out by a family member....I feel she is alive and well.....I hope somebody sees her if this is true and will let LE know...

I still think that way too kitty. Most cases its hard to have hope but I feel there is a good chance Haleigh is alive and well.

[kitty1182]

I still think that way too kitty. Most cases its hard to have hope but I feel there is a good chance Haleigh is alive and well.

Me too!!!!!!

[?noanswer]

I still think that way too kitty. Most cases its hard to have hope but I feel there is a good chance Haleigh is alive and well.


I dcon't know one way or the other, but I sure hope that is true. I hope if someone has here, their conscience will take hold and they will return her. I kinda hope it is not someone she knows, because they might decide to make sure she cannot tell who she has been with all these months. JMO

[calamitygirl]

Crystal's cousin Candice claimed she watched Ron backhand Haleigh in the face and knock her to the ground but didn't bother to tell Crystal until she got to Satsuma after Haleigh's disappearance. That is not believable to me knowing how quick a member of my extended family would be on the phone to me if that happened to a child or grandchild of mine.

Without a doubt bookie. And very unbelieveable to me to.

[Peaches]

I agree with you... Like it or not, life does go on any time some one loses a love one. I don't think that is bad. LE knows where to find any of Haleigh's family any time, day or night.
Life will never be the same for anyone who loves Haleigh, but it does go on...



You are so right, bam bam..................just ask anyone who has lost a loved one. It is not easy, but what choose do you have but go on.

Correct again..................life will never be the same for all those who loves Haleigh unless she come home alive!

jmo

[Peaches]

~Snip

:thumbsup: Thank you!!! :thumbsup:

CLICK


Sly :smile:

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We need you to come around more often!

[calamitygirl]

Amen!!!!!!! :wink:

I thought I read you were a member?? Maybe I read wrong, if so, except my apologies.

As for message wrote about the Cummings family, Yes, I do believe it is great to hear kind words for a change. Haleigh is Ron's daughter, whether some like it or not.

I would like to see more of it. I can't prove how true it is. But I like it anyways.

[calamitygirl]

Thanks calamity, great post and thank you for the link..

My pleasure. It sure was nice, wasn't it.

[Peaches]

It couldn't possibly be any worse for her to have custody than it is for Ronald to have custody. Children should be with their mother.
MO


Why should a child be with their mother?

Many fathers are better parents than mothers.

Many mothers like being a "Disney" mom instead of having the full care of their child. This gives them more time to "live their life" as they want.

I do not understand why you would say this at all. jmo


AND............the courts agree many times that the father makes the best parents............as in Ron's case. jmo

[calamitygirl]

It couldn't possibly be any worse for her to have custody than it is for Ronald to have custody. Children should be with their mother.

MO

Why?? Mothers are just as important as Fathers.

[calamitygirl]

Thank you, Tiffany. I am highly offended that a poster on Art's sight gives the impression to people that all southern families are like the Cummings family when that is absolutely NOT true. In fact, very few southern families are like them at all.

MOO

I read once there are approx. 78K people in that county. Could be wrong but its what I remember.

How many of them do you know??

[Peaches]

Why?? Mothers are just as important as Fathers.



Leaving for greener pastures.............as the old saying goes. Most leave this place for home.

May God bless all of you and tonight especially Haleigh and all those who love her!

jmo

Good Night all.

[calamitygirl]

We need you to come around more often!


:thumbsup::thumbsup: to Foxy

[calamitygirl]

I just shook my head when I read what you so aptly described as a piece of fiction.

I seriously doubt that anyone with an ounce of sense believes the Cummings family represents southern families.

MO

I tried not to lump people to any category.

I myself, choose to believe it.

[calamitygirl]

Leaving for greener pastures.............as the old saying goes. Most leave this place for home.

May God bless all of you and tonight especially Haleigh and all those who love her!

jmo

Good Night all.

Have a great night Peaches.

[calamitygirl]

I just personally feel that children should be with their mother. Especially, very young children. I think the bond between mother and child is the closest bond there is because God intended it to be. Children need the gentle touch that only their mother can provide.

Just my personal opinion regarding mothers.

My bold

Gotta link for that???

[calamitygirl]

Yes, I know. Mother's are very important.

Yes, I know. Fathers are very important also.

[bookie]

Yes, I know. Mother's are very important.



Tell that to Susan Smith and a host of other mother's who murdered their young children.

[calamitygirl]

You seriously do not want to get into a religious discussion with me on this board or any other.

You brought "His" name up. So you tell me.

[bookie]

Those are specific cases of women that should not have had children.



And many, many more of women who abused their children horribly. Mother's may be important in an ideal world but we aren't living in an ideal world. If Crystal had shown how important her children were to her she might have been awarded custody in 2005.

[calamitygirl]

Those are specific cases of women that should not have had children.

Lets see. First you say all children should be with their mothers. Nothing about fathers.

Then you say who should and shouldn't have children.

Okey dokey.

[cat3]

It couldn't possibly be any worse for her to have custody than it is for Ronald to have custody. Children should be with their mother.

MO

In my opinion Haleigh and Jr had/have many people that have made up for the lack of Crystal being in their life on a daily basis.
A mother in my opinion should be able to put aside their own feelings and desires to do what needs to be done for their childs well being.
I know you don't want me to go into how I feel about Crystal's mothering skills,so I will leave it at that. IMO

[bookie]

Perhaps. And Haleigh wouldn't be missing today and so on. I know all the what ifs. I have read all the excuses and placing blame on this board for weeks.

Crystal is showing that her child is important. She is doing all that she can do to aide in the search for Haleigh. She is showing that she loves JR and that she is concerned for his safety. Therefore, she should seek a change in custody. One child is already missing from Ronald's home. Why risk another child.

JMO


Seeking a change in custody isn't going to guarantee her custody. Her leaving town, along with her attorney makes me think DCF found her alleagtions false.

[calamitygirl]

I was being sarcastic. That is one of the excuses I have seen on this board by Ronald's supporters.

So what is new???

Are you saying that if Haleigh had been with Crystal, this would have never happened??

[lizzard]

It couldn't possibly be any worse for her to have custody than it is for Ronald to have custody. Children should be with their mother.
MO
my bold

Fortunately, for some children, there are judges who disagree.

[calamitygirl]

No. I am not saying that at all. I am saying that it is one of the excuses that Ronald's supporters use when they are bashing her and defending him.

If you believe that it could happen on Crystals watch, then it can't be an excuse, now can it??

[calamitygirl]

That is irrelevant, isn't it, since we know that it DID happen on RONALD's watch.

Sorry, but who is making the excuses now?

[calamitygirl]

want to say good night to everyone. really good thoughts from all.

Good nite dasiy. Will be following.

[bookie]

No. I am not saying that at all. I am saying that it is one of the excuses that Ronald's supporters use when they are bashing her and defending him.


That makes absolutely no sense. Ron supporters, in an attempt to bash Crystal, claim Haleigh never would have disappeared on her watch? I think you have it backwards and it's Crystal supporters who make that claim in an attempt to bash Ron.

[calamitygirl]

Daisy,

I, for one, appreciate your posts and your opinions. I agree with everything you said.

Unfortunately, you're not biased, so your posts will most likely be overlooked and unresponded to. Same thing happens to me. Unless you're pro for one side and con for the other, on this board, nobody pays attention. (On a lot of the other boards too.)

With that being said, you are a breath of fresh air on this board!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[calamitygirl]

It is an undisputed fact.


You said: Those are specific cases of women that should not have had children.

Yep, thats is an undisputed fact.

[bookie]

No, I don't have it wrong. Ronald's supporters say that when they bash her for not having custody. Ronald caused people to bash him due to his behavior and his actions during the first thirty days of Haleigh's disappearance. His image is destroyed because of that first thirty days and the things he did and now for the things he fails to do. Like search for his daughter.

MOO



Saying Haleigh wouldn't have disappeared from Crystals home isn't bashing. Discussing the reasons she doesn't have custody isn't bashing considering we have her own words on the transcript from the custody hearing.

I don't think Ron's image is as "destroyed" as you think. Other than a handful of people on a messageboard I don't see anyone else talking about him.

BTW Crystal isn't searching for her daughter either but as usual she gets that old free pass. :rolleyes:

[Santa'sMom]

And, that is why we have a court of law. The judge that places children with the father has to have a burden of proof in Fl. that the mother is not capable of safely taking care of her children.
One of the criteria is how the mother presents herself to the judge. Is she a responsible person, does she put her children before her on needs. Now the father who is rarely given custody in Fl. has to prove to the judge the mother is not a responsible person and convince the judge, with evidence, that he is a MORE responsible parent. That is very HARD for a father to prove in FL.

I disagree. The judge is going to look at who is most capable of taking the best care of the children. Often the father doesn't want to have full custody or is unable to take care of the children while working or has never taken care of the children prior and left the care of the children to the mother. Most children are already in the mother's custody during the hearing. Judges don't like to remove children from the home they are currently in unless they have to do so. As far as Ronald "proving" that he was the more responsible parent, I reckon that depends on how you want to take the hearing. Crystal didn't have an attorney present and that really put her behind. Ronald had custody of the children because he carted them off to Texas and then Mexico and refused to return them to Crystal. He was the only one working at the time of the hearing and he lived in the same county where the hearing was held while Crystal lived in a county some distance away. I don't personally think that the judge put a lot into Crystal's admitting that she did drugs a year prior. She was honest about that. That says a lot for her character. Sugar. Why am I wasting my time? You already have determined that Ronald is some kind of gift to the human race and that Crystal is nothing but pond scum. For the record, Crystal did not use the word "lazy" at the hearing. She said that she sometimes didn't feel like getting up and going. That could mean that she had a severe migraine, was extremely nauseated, had been up all night taking care of a sick kid or listening to Ronald carry on. You can't possibly know what went on in her life at the time. Maybe she was lazy. I don't know. Neither do you. Grrrr...

[legalmania]

I want to dedicate this to the Cummings family because we all have our opinion of what kind of people they are but their little girl is missing both sides are in terrible pain. This is the time when they need comforting. I pray Haleigh comes home soon and we can hash out the good and the bad later. They need to be surrounded by positive thinking right now.

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Now playing: Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Waters (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/simon_garfunkel/track/bridge_over_troubled_waters)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/) I always think of this song when life seems to get out of control.

[lizzard]

I want to dedicate this to the Cummings family because we all have our opinion of what kind of people they are but their little girl is missing both sides are in terrible pain. This is the time when they need comforting. I pray Haleigh comes home soon and we can hash out the good and the bad later. They need to be surrounded by positive thinking right now.

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Now playing: Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Waters (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/simon_garfunkel/track/bridge_over_troubled_waters)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/) I always think of this song when life seems to get out of control.

Beautiful, legalmania. Thank you, you always find the right song.

[BitterSweet]

Praying for you Haleigh.
May god bless you and your family with your safe return.

BitterSweet

[cat3]

I disagree. The judge is going to look at who is most capable of taking the best care of the children. Often the father doesn't want to have full custody or is unable to take care of the children while working or has never taken care of the children prior and left the care of the children to the mother. Most children are already in the mother's custody during the hearing. Judges don't like to remove children from the home they are currently in unless they have to do so. As far as Ronald "proving" that he was the more responsible parent, I reckon that depends on how you want to take the hearing. Crystal didn't have an attorney present and that really put her behind. Ronald had custody of the children because he carted them off to Texas and then Mexico and refused to return them to Crystal. He was the only one working at the time of the hearing and he lived in the same county where the hearing was held while Crystal lived in a county some distance away. I don't personally think that the judge put a lot into Crystal's admitting that she did drugs a year prior. She was honest about that. That says a lot for her character. Sugar. Why am I wasting my time? You already have determined that Ronald is some kind of gift to the human race and that Crystal is nothing but pond scum. For the record, Crystal did not use the word "lazy" at the hearing. She said that she sometimes didn't feel like getting up and going. That could mean that she had a severe migraine, was extremely nauseated, had been up all night taking care of a sick kid or listening to Ronald carry on. You can't possibly know what went on in her life at the time. Maybe she was lazy. I don't know. Neither do you. Grrrr...

Obviously I'm not bambam,but I do want to respond to a part of your post. Ron didn't withhold the children from Crystal out of spite after he returned from Mexico.The reason he didn't return the children to Crystal is that according to him she was using cocaine at the time.
I also believe that the judge offered Crystal 10 days to respond to his ruling and she turned him down.IIRC 12 medical appt's were missed for a child that had some fairly serious medical issues.It was said that Haleigh had a cyst on her kidney and also Jr had a possible heart murmer.
RC offered to take Jr to the last appt Crystal missed if she would return him early.She didn't return Jr and didn't keep the doctor appt.
I don't think anyone here thinks of Crystal as "pond scum" but she is a parent in this case,so I do think it is fair to discuss whatever issues she may have.IMO

[legalmania]

Hello,

I do not know why but I can not get the song to play. I do know the song and I think it is a beautiful song. I just wanted to say thank you for posting the link.

sorry you can't hear does it link up? If it does you have to scroll down just a little and you will see their pictures. I pay monthly so it's on my dime.

[legalmania]

I tried it again and it worked. That is a very powerful video and I had never seen that before so thank you again.


glad you enjoyed it, well it's tomorrow already so I must get some sleep, I'm constantly playing music I find it's the best way to express myself at times, have a good day and hopefully talk soon.:seeya:

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Now playing: Sha Na Na - Goodnight Sweetheart (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/sha_na_na/track/goodnight_sweetheart)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[Santa'sMom]

Obviously I'm not bambam,but I do want to respond to a part of your post. Ron didn't withhold the children from Crystal out of spite after he returned from Mexico.The reason he didn't return the children to Crystal is that according to him she was using cocaine at the time.
I also believe that the judge offered Crystal 10 days to respond to his ruling and she turned him down.IIRC 12 medical appt's were missed for a child that had some fairly serious medical issues.It was said that Haleigh had a cyst on her kidney and also Jr had a possible heart murmer.
RC offered to take Jr to the last appt Crystal missed if she would return him early.She didn't return Jr and didn't keep the doctor appt.
I don't think anyone here thinks of Crystal as "pond scum" but she is a parent in this case,so I do think it is fair to discuss whatever issues she may have.IMO

I agree that it is fair to discuss whatever issues Crystal may have had as long as it is fair to discuss whatever issues Ronald may have had too. We only have Ronald's word that Crystal was using cocaine at the time and that was why he refused to give the kids back to her. I don't recall any proof from anyone that she actually was using at the time. She told the judge that she use to use cocaine but had stopped a year earlier. So here we have a "he said-she said" but because Crystal admitted to prior use and Ronald denied it, Crystal is automatically guilty and Ronald is innocent. Crystal would have had a difficult time legally proving that Ronald had been using drugs.

We don't know what the missed appointments were for and I personally believe that Ronald was as responsible for those missed appointments as Crystal was. He claims to have been the "responsible" parent yet he wasn't interested enough to find out if his kids were seeing the doctor or even what the doctor might have had to say.

I am really glad that you brought up the missed appointment the day of the hearing. WHY would Ronald schedule a doctor's appointment so close to the time of hearing? I wonder if he would have taken Jr. in to see the doctor that morning if Crystal had brought him back or rescheduled due to the hearing? That whole situation stinks of setup to me. You don't schedule an appointment with a pediatrician for the same morning you are due in court. Why didn't he reschedule when he found out he had to be in court that day? or did he make the appointment knowing that he had to be in court then? If the doctor felt that Jr had a serious heart murmur, I don't believe that he/she would have been waiting around to have it checked out. Lots of kids, and adults, have heart murmurs. Most have no problem with it. Have we ever learned for sure that Jr did/does have a murmur?

You mention the "serious health issues" that Haleigh was undergoing yet we haven't heard anything from her family, on either side, about her having health issues that should be considered above the norm.

If Crystal was still doing drugs, then I agree that she shouldn't have been given custody of the kids. Also, if Ronald was doing the same, he shouldn't have been granted custody either. I think it's sad that there was no investigating done of the two parents prior to granting custody but I do realize that that is often the case. moo

[carlybarly]

I had decided not to post here anymore because this thread has become nothing more than a play ground for misfits.

It is despicable that the very people on this forum that talk about Crystal and Kim taking the focus off Haleigh are doing the same thing and MORE with their constant diatribe about custody, back child support, abuse, make overs, pictures on myspace and all the other insane comments against the grieving mother of a missing child and for what? To support the likes of Ronald Cummings? Why do you people not question what is Ronald doing to find his daughter? Why do you make excuses for him when he has proven that he is a liar, a drug addict, a thief and a self centered whiner now in hiding that is doing NOTHING to help his missing child.



MY OPINION

So since the forum is not a bashfest today for Ron, it is despicable. I find that despicable. Crystal is not mother of the year as Ron isn't father of the year. You make all these claims against Ron, but the one where you call him a thief, I've never seen the proof. Where have you seen him steal the donations? Where has it been posted that wasn't a rumor and was fact? You don't know he is doing nothing, you assume he is doing nothing since the media is not reporting it.

[doctor_J]

Saying Haleigh wouldn't have disappeared from Crystals home isn't bashing. Discussing the reasons she doesn't have custody isn't bashing considering we have her own words on the transcript from the custody hearing.

I don't think Ron's image is as "destroyed" as you think. Other than a handful of people on a messageboard I don't see anyone else talking about him.

BTW Crystal isn't searching for her daughter either but as usual she gets that old free pass. :rolleyes:

Crystal's home?? Are we talking about that purple donated storefront?

It was my understanding that Crystal and her fiance, even with 6 kids between them, do not in fact have a home, but are having to bum with mom and stepdad.

[carlybarly]

Crystal's home?? Are we talking about that purple donated storefront?

It was my understanding that Crystal and her fiance, even with 6 kids between them, do not in fact have a home, but are having to bum with mom and stepdad.

Crystal and Chad have a home together, a trailer I believe I read on her parent's land? I've never heard they had to bum off her mom and stepdad. But I do know she did go home because of health and it would be much better for her 11 month old.

[cat3]

I agree that it is fair to discuss whatever issues Crystal may have had as long as it is fair to discuss whatever issues Ronald may have had too. We only have Ronald's word that Crystal was using cocaine at the time and that was why he refused to give the kids back to her. I don't recall any proof from anyone that she actually was using at the time. She told the judge that she use to use cocaine but had stopped a year earlier. So here we have a "he said-she said" but because Crystal admitted to prior use and Ronald denied it, Crystal is automatically guilty and Ronald is innocent. Crystal would have had a difficult time legally proving that Ronald had been using drugs.

We don't know what the missed appointments were for and I personally believe that Ronald was as responsible for those missed appointments as Crystal was. He claims to have been the "responsible" parent yet he wasn't interested enough to find out if his kids were seeing the doctor or even what the doctor might have had to say.

I am really glad that you brought up the missed appointment the day of the hearing. WHY would Ronald schedule a doctor's appointment so close to the time of hearing? I wonder if he would have taken Jr. in to see the doctor that morning if Crystal had brought him back or rescheduled due to the hearing? That whole situation stinks of setup to me. You don't schedule an appointment with a pediatrician for the same morning you are due in court. Why didn't he reschedule when he found out he had to be in court that day? or did he make the appointment knowing that he had to be in court then? If the doctor felt that Jr had a serious heart murmur, I don't believe that he/she would have been waiting around to have it checked out. Lots of kids, and adults, have heart murmurs. Most have no problem with it. Have we ever learned for sure that Jr did/does have a murmur?

You mention the "serious health issues" that Haleigh was undergoing yet we haven't heard anything from her family, on either side, about her having health issues that should be considered above the norm.

If Crystal was still doing drugs, then I agree that she shouldn't have been given custody of the kids. Also, if Ronald was doing the same, he shouldn't have been granted custody either. I think it's sad that there was no investigating done of the two parents prior to granting custody but I do realize that that is often the case. moo

You gave me a lot to chew on there.lol.I do stand by my post though as I did use the phrase "according to Ron" as far as Crystal's use of cocaine.I do agree that it is a he said she said type of situation,but I can't imagine why he would want custody if there were no problems.
Ron did produce proof the day of the custody hearing that he was drug free.This came about as a result of being accused by members of Crystal's family of being high and having a car wreck.He said that the day after the accident he was paid a visit by DCF and was tested for drugs.The test came back clean for any drugs.
I can't hold RC accountable for missed doctors appt's as these missed appt's happened while the children were in the care of Crystal.
As I mentioned earlier he offered to take Jr for his appt on the day of the custody hearing and according to RC,Crystal agreed to either return Jr early so Ron could take Jr,or that she would take Jr herself.She did neither and Jr missed his appt.
As to who made the appt for Jr......I have no idea.RC said he received a note from the doctor about the possibility of Jr having a heart murmer and this appt was to confirm or rule it out.
I do agree that a heart murmer isn't always serious,but given Jr's young age,and if I were the parent,I would wish him to be seen by a doctor.
Regarding Haleigh and how serious her health problems were......I guess that would be ones perspective.She has Turners Syndrome and according to the custody docs. had a cyst on her kidney and needed to be seen by an endocrinologist for hormone treatments,and also needed to be seen yearly by a cardiologist.Considering her young age as a parent I would consider that serious and a good reason to make sure that her appts were kept.IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

my bold

Fortunately, for some children, there are judges who disagree.

AMEN to that Lizzard. I can think of more than just a few mothers who should and do NOT have custody of their children. That is an archaic belief that should be filed right in front of

WOMEN HAVING SMALLER FEET TO STAND CLOSER TO THE APPLIANCES in the KITCHEN.....NOT SO MUCH IMOO. :cursing:

Having made appearances with women from the local shelter in family court, I've seen my fair share of children who don't belong in their care. Thankfully here we have open minds too and the judges will not honor obsolete beliefs either. JMOOC. :mellow:

:wub:Praying for HALEIGH's SAFETY and RETURN.

[CANDYKISSES]

SNIPPED and BOLDED BY CK.

We don't know what the missed appointments were for and I personally believe that Ronald was as responsible for those missed appointments as Crystal was. He claims to have been the "responsible" parent yet he wasn't interested enough to find out if his kids were seeing the doctor or even what the doctor might have had to say.

I am really glad that you brought up the missed appointment the day of the hearing. WHY would Ronald schedule a doctor's appointment so close to the time of hearing? I wonder if he would have taken Jr. in to see the doctor that morning if Crystal had brought him back or rescheduled due to the hearing? That whole situation stinks of setup to me. You don't schedule an appointment with a pediatrician for the same morning you are due in court. Why didn't he reschedule when he found out he had to be in court that day? or did he make the appointment knowing that he had to be in court then? If the doctor felt that Jr had a serious heart murmur, I don't believe that he/she would have been waiting around to have it checked out. Lots of kids, and adults, have heart murmurs. Most have no problem with it. Have we ever learned for sure that Jr did/does have a murmur?

You mention the "serious health issues" that Haleigh was undergoing yet we haven't heard anything from her family, on either side, about her having health issues that should be considered above the norm.

If Crystal was still doing drugs, then I agree that she shouldn't have been given custody of the kids. Also, if Ronald was doing the same, he shouldn't have been granted custody either. I think it's sad that there was no investigating done of the two parents prior to granting custody but I do realize that that is often the case. moo

In answer to the first bolding, we do have an idea of why the appointments were missed IF YOU BELIEVE CRYSTAL. She testified to being afraid to ride with GGM SYKES due to her drifting and that was her ride, but then a bit later she testified to many times NOT FEELING LIKE GETTING OUT OF BED HERSELF. You will see it in the transcripts in LINKS.

Regarding the second BOLD reference in your post. The courts were expecting the results of that doctor's appointment and it's stated in the transcript. AGAIN, in the transcript of that hearing you will find where it was brought out in open court regarding the date and what was to happen. It is uncontested that Ron offered for Crystal to bring Junior home Sunday night and Ron would take him to the doctor on Monday morning. The parents were advised of a need for documentation concerning a possible murmur according to the records. Crystal CHOSE TO NOT RETURN JUNIOR on Sunday night and therefore was responsible for taking him to the doctor prior to the 10:30 AM hearing and come to court afterward. The only thing stated by Crystal was regarding this particular appointment was that she started thinking it could render her late for court IIRC.

ONCE AGAIN, if you read the transcripts you will find the answers you are allegedly seeking. JMOOC. :smile: ALL JMOOC and to be substantiated by the transcripts in the link section of the forum.

[Pat]

Don't think anyone is "down" on women. The answers are a response to the "special bond" between a mother and child...as you well know.

My granddaughter is a prime example of a child whose mother doesn't want her. She lives with my son and has since she was 5 and they separated. Prior to that, he took care of all her needs, to include bathing, feeding, medical appointments, blah blah. Her mother didn't want custody when they divorced and even though she could have my GD long holidays and for the summer, she doesn't want her. She doesn't even send Christmas and B'day gifts. My ex-DIL is not a "horrible" person. She just isn't a fit mother and she'll be the first to tell you that.

All you need to do is look at the InSession subjects to find a whole list of neglectful mothers. Take a look at the thread on that man who chewed the eyes out of that baby and see where the mother was. Just this weekend there was a mother arrested for murdering her child. What about S.Cantu's killer?

Trying to use the argument of 'special bond between mother&child' is no more valid than a "special" bond between father and son. Those are overly broad emotive buzz words that don't apply in most cases. If it was true, we'd have no need for Social Services anywhere.

It would be nice if people wouldn't use these types of emotive expressions to support their opinion. As much as I don't like how Cobra interjected himself in this case, he is absolutely correct when he says no one has "clean hands".