Ray F. Gricar, Missing PA District Attorney

[gstickley]

Ray F. Gricar, District Attorney of Centre Co., PA, has been missing since 04/14/05. The last time Mr. Gricar was positively seen was shortly after 9:00 PM on Thu., 04/14/05, as he was leaving the courthouse in Bellefonte, PA.

Federal Bureau of Investigation Missing Person - Ray Frank Gricar
... 2005. Bellefonte, Pennsylvania. RAY FRANK GRICAR. DESCRIPTION. Date of Birth: ... For almost twenty years, Ray Frank Gricar has served as the District Attorney ...www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/gricar_rf.htm - Cached

[Politigal]

a little more organized version of my googlepages

http://raygricar.law.officelive.com/default.aspx

Hope everyone has a safe holiday weekend

[J. J. in Phila]

Actually, the police investigating say that they "definitely" place him in Lewisburg on 4/16/05.

[J. J. in Phila]

And here is the link to that statement:

http://www.freetimes.com/stories/13/30/the-rivers-edge-homicide-suicide-hoax-a-prosecutor-vanishes-and-the-clues-point-everywhere-and-nowhere-at-oncethe-rivers-edge

[CommonSense]

from the old CDT Q & A

Police say the only eyewitness accounts that are credible are those that come from a camera lense.

that would definitely make Thurs night 4/14/05 the last credible sighting (since they ruled out the Nacogdoches, TX sighting)

[J. J. in Phila]

from the old CDT Q & A

Police say the only eyewitness accounts that are credible are those that come from a camera lense.

that would definitely make Thurs night 4/14/05 the last credible sighting (since they ruled out the Nacogdoches, TX sighting)

If that were the case, you would virtually never have a criminal conviction in the United States, certainly none with eyewitness testimony.

[sherrijean981]

http://www.wgrc.com/wgrc-news.htm

I was going down the list on this link to read the story about the body they found in Lycoming County. They don't mention who the man was that was missing from 2 years ago but going back in the news the ones I found who had been missing were found.

Anyways, while reading the news I saw that the mayor of Lewisburg, who owns the Street of Shops and the Roller Mills Antique Shops is running for County Commissioner, one of many that are trying to fill the shoes of the former Commissioner, who is leaving for family reasons. Interesting bit of news?

[J. J. in Phila]

http://www.wgrc.com/wgrc-news.htm

I was going down the list on this link to read the story about the body they found in Lycoming County. They don't mention who the man was that was missing from 2 years ago but going back in the news the ones I found who had been missing were found.

Anyways, while reading the news I saw that the mayor of Lewisburg, who owns the Street of Shops and the Roller Mills Antique Shops is running for County Commissioner, one of many that are trying to fill the shoes of the former Commissioner, who is leaving for family reasons. Interesting bit of news?

The owner of the Street of Shops isn't the mayor. The mayor is Judith T. Wagner. http://www.lewisburgborough.org/officials.htm There is apparently going to be a resignation (or was one) and 22 people want to be commissioner.

[sherrijean981]

The owner of the Street of Shops isn't the mayor. The mayor is Judith T. Wagner. http://www.lewisburgborough.org/officials.htm There is apparently going to be a resignation (or was one) and 22 people want to be commissioner.


It reads like the Lewisburg mayor is the owner of the 2 businesses, and then the former director GSVC of C, are running. Or even the mayor could be all three. Probably should have named the 3 instead of putting the paragraph like this. Sorry to misunderstood it. Thought it interesting anyways that the owner of the antique shops was running for Commissioner. Wonder if the news from the SOS in 2005 will hinder or help him?


http://www.wgrc.com/wgrc-news.htm
Quote:
"LEWISBURG - Twenty-two people are in the running to replace former Union County Commissioner William Haas. Prospective commissioners include the Lewisburg mayor, owner of Lewisburg's Street of Shops and Roller Mills antique malls, and former director of the Greater Susquehanna Valley Chamber of Commerce. Interviews are set to begin next week for the $47-thousand dollar commissioner position. After nearly six years in office, Haas resigned earlier this month due to family issues requiring him to spend extended time outside the county.
Jim Diehl (WGRC)"
Quote

[J. J. in Phila]

It reads like the Lewisburg mayor is the owner of the 2 businesses, and then the former director GSVC of C, are running. Or even the mayor could be all three. Probably should have named the 3 instead of putting the paragraph like this. Sorry to misunderstood it. Thought it interesting anyways that the owner of the antique shops was running for Commissioner. Wonder if the news from the SOS in 2005 will hinder or help him?


http://www.wgrc.com/wgrc-news.htm
Quote:
"LEWISBURG - Twenty-two people are in the running to replace former Union County Commissioner William Haas. Prospective commissioners include the Lewisburg mayor, owner of Lewisburg's Street of Shops and Roller Mills antique malls, and former director of the Greater Susquehanna Valley Chamber of Commerce. Interviews are set to begin next week for the $47-thousand dollar commissioner position. After nearly six years in office, Haas resigned earlier this month due to family issues requiring him to spend extended time outside the county.
Jim Diehl (WGRC)"
Quote

The wording is awkward, but the Mayor of Lewisburg is Judith T. Wagner. Bennett owns the SoS.

The Commissioners are not up for re-election this year, so the County Court will make the appointment for the remainder of the term.

[J. J. in Phila]

Pastor missing in Lewisburg-----

http://www.dailyitem.com/0100_news/local_story_144231525.html

Interesting, let's see where this one goes. Good find.

[J. J. in Phila]

Link to Jose Rosa's ministry ----------
Congregación Menonita Shalom

http://www.cmfmilton.org/cms.asp

I notice there is a prayer service at 6:30 pm and a mid-week service at 7 pm on Thursday evening. If he failed to show up for those, was he reported missing on Thursday evening? Obviously must have not been present for the Sunday service, so why are we hearing nothing about this until Monday morning?
JMO

His wife is also a pastor and may do the midweek services; I'm not sure that the 6:00 AM Sunday Prayers is always at that Church.

Weekend, Lewisburg are the answers to why you didn't hear anything until Monday. I'm wondering when it was first reported. It might have been a **call back in 36 hours** type of thing.

This is a good example of the promptness in the first 48 hours of the Gricar case.

I just hope Rev. Rosa is okay.

[Politigal]

the case already sounds a little bit fishy IMO....

From other reports, Rosa wasn't reported missing until Sunday, but law enforcement says it's possible he's actually been missing since last Thursday.

[J. J. in Phila]

the case already sounds a little bit fishy IMO....

From other reports, Rosa wasn't reported missing until Sunday, but law enforcement says it's possible he's actually been missing since last Thursday.

The only thing "fishy" is standard procedure. It usually takes someone to be missing for 48 hours before the police to take the report; people a free to leave home in the US without the police looking for them.

Couple that with a holiday weekend. Maybe now you will understand how fast the police acted in the RFG case.

[Serendipitous1]

We have seen this over and over again. Police (in this case the PSP) follow early leads...and only when they run out of leads does the public learn of the situation.

In my own area last year, a missing woman's daughter walked through my yard, yelling her mother's name. I spent the rest of the day helping to look for the woman. Fortunately, she was found (disoriented) later that day. But IIRC, it was a day or two after she went missing.

There ought to be some way to get the word out ASAP...an Amber-type alert in every instance of a missing person report. The technology is there...but the system is not.

In Rev. Rosa's case, was he expected at the Lewisburg Penitentiary last Thursday? Did he minister there? Did his wife report him missing Thursday?

If someone I knew went missing and no one close knew anything, the first thing I would do after calling police would be to contact local media.

[gstickley]

Link to Jose Rosa's ministry ----------
Congregación Menonita Shalom

http://www.cmfmilton.org/cms.asp

I notice there is a prayer service at 6:30 pm and a mid-week service at 7 pm on Thursday evening. If he failed to show up for those, was he reported missing on Thursday evening? Obviously must have not been present for the Sunday service, so why are we hearing nothing about this until Monday morning?
JMO


Congregación Menonita Shalom
(snip)

Weekly Program
(snip)

Sunday
6:00 am
10:00 am
11:30 am
Prayer (At CMF on 1st Sunday of every month)
Sunday School
Worship service

It appears from the "Weekly Program" that church services are at 10:00 AM & 11:30 AM every Sunday.

If the pastor was last seen at 11:00 AM on Thu., 48 hrs. later would have been 11:00 AM on Sat., yet a police report wasn't issued until Sun. pm, according to the press report.

(Sounds fishy to me too, Pgal.)

[Serendipitous1]

The Daily Item report on Rev. Rosa was quickly picked up by many news media outlets across the state...as well as by missing-person web sites. I do not care if it is a teenager with a history, an Alzheimer patient, a Latino pastor...or a district attorney. Waiting several days to get the word out is unacceptable.

[kelloggirl]

Hi all! It's been ages since I posted on Ray's thread, but I always check in periodically to see if there's been any new developments in Ray's case. Recently, I drove from Pittsburgh to the Poconos and passed nearby areas such as Bellefonte and Lewisburg and through Centre County and of course, thought of Ray many times on the drive there and back. It's so sad that four years later there are still no answers.

I never had a clear theory of what happened to Ray, but always leaned strongly towards foul play, and if that was the case, that the foul play was related to a case or some discovery of corruption that Ray had made. I fully admit to not having a lot of concrete evidence to back up that theory, it was purely just intuition. I have never thought PF was involved, because I am an Ocaam's Razor kind of gal and there's just too much that has to be explained by staging and coverup and fake calls and scent placing and...etc, etc., that I just find it hard to conceive. I believe Ray was in Lewisburg and whatever happened, happened from there. Just IMO, of course.

I thought walkaway was a possibility, not huge, but I have to admit, though, that as someone not fully invested in a theory, reading about the newly released information that Ray was asking questions about how to erase hard drives and that there were computer searches on such topics, that this raises the possibility of walkaway in my mind a little. It's possible that the release of that information was intended to do just that, if so, I would say mission accomplished for me and probably others who don't follow the case as closely as many of you here.

Anyway, just wanted to say hello to all of you who might remember me and join you in the hopes that someday there will be a resolution on what happened to Ray Gricar.

[J. J. in Phila]

Congregación Menonita Shalom
(snip)

Weekly Program
(snip)

Sunday
6:00 am
10:00 am
11:30 am
Prayer (At CMF on 1st Sunday of every month)
Sunday School
Worship service

It appears from the "Weekly Program" that church services are at 10:00 AM & 11:30 AM every Sunday.

If the pastor was last seen at 11:00 AM on Thu., 48 hrs. later would have been 11:00 AM on Sat., yet a police report wasn't issued until Sun. pm, according to the press report.

(Sounds fishy to me too, Pgal.)

"Last seen," and "reported missing" are two different things. Obviously, there is a time lag between the two.

[J. J. in Phila]

LW, first, I think it is a bit early to discuss any theory. There are multiple questions I'd have, including the state of Rev. Rosa's health.

Now, I think it might be beyond coincidence that two community leaders, who appear to be solid citizens, vanish after last being seen in a two mile radius, but let's make sure Rev. Rosa's disappearance is a true vanishing.

[sherrijean981]

I read on a link somewhere that Pastor Rosa was wearing shorts and sneakers (no mention of what kind of shirt) and had a back pack and was walking towards the Lewisburg Penitentiary through a new housing development. One of the places I was reading it had been asked if he was going to the prison. I would not think so dressed like that. Whether a man or woman, in a prison it would set off a male reaction, and he being a pastor, he would probably know that.

With a backpack he had someplace he was headed, maybe just a hike, or visiting a "closed in" member of the church.

With RG working with the criminal cases and the pastor working with the church, he too would be counceling the troubled ones. I wonder if RG had any connections to Pastor Rosa? A common link somewhere? Had Pastor Rosa had any confessions from one of his church members? If he does a lot in the Milton area, could his church be near the warehouse CB had said the dogs were searching at, the men not allowing them on the property?

Lots of questions because of his missing in the same area as RG had been in.

[J. J. in Phila]

I wouldn't read too much into the prison. Rev. Rosa lives about a mile from the prison grounds and was last seen a half mile or less from his house.

Some people carry a backpack routinely; Rev. Rose might have been one. I was thinking that he might have packed a lunch.

My family hasn't had any Mennonites in it for about 150 years, but I don't think they have a sacramental Confession. Many pastors do counseling, however.