Pedophile Investigated in McCann Case

[starling]

Madeleine McCann's father slams media over 'damaging' coverage of disappearance
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161035/Madeleine-McCanns-father-slams-media-damaging-coverage-disappearance.html
He said the media were much more interested in writing about 'the Kate and Gerry show' than about the search for Madeleine.



http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23405561-details/Gerry+McCann+forced+to+defend+parenting+on+US+TV/article.do
"The kids were sound asleep and they were being checked regularly. We didn't think we needed a babysitter. "We are good parents and what we did felt perfectly reasonable at the time."

[Kip]

The first link didn't go to the right page. I think this one works:

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/terrestrial/2009/04/c4_to_recreate_madeleine_mccann_events.html

[n/t]

Well isn't that interesting. I read earlier reports that they were going back there to do a recreation of the crime scene and talk to witness to perhaps find anything that was missed in the investigation of their little girl. I had no idea they were filming a documentary.

FWIW...Gerry McCann apologized to the Portuguese people after he was jeered by the resort’s residents who told him to go back home when he arrived there with a television crew to film a documentary.

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=975930

[n/t]

I suppose I can see how the people might be upset with the spotlight again.......
But come on..... There IS a child missing..... From their country!
It's not like these parents can go back and change things.


Some believe the parents were involved and also, IIRC, the McCanns just took off without thanking the Portuguese people for the support they had given them all those months. I'm not talking Portuguese LE but people who had donated their money and resources to help find Madeleine. People of Praia de Luz who cried and prayed with them for all those months.

I could understand them not wanting them back there. I would be p'd off too.

[starling]

Thanks CW
http://www.oprah.com/article/oprahshow/20090424-tows-madeleine-mccann
On Monday, May 4, Oprah will talk to Kate and Gerry McCann in their first interview in America ....plus go inside the McCanns' Leicestershire home and spend a day with them and their 4-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie

[aproudmom]

will be on Oprah tomorrow and their parents have done a age progression I can not believe it has been 2 yrs:sad:

[starling]

I'm watching it
The McCanns keep saying they "listened" for "crying"...they heard no "crying"
even their friend who went up (for them)listened (did not look) for "crying"
Honestly if Maddy cried so loudly the night before (that a neighbor heard) then WHY leave her alone the next night?THAT should of been a major (wake up call )warning sign that leaving those children was wrong.I still don't care for them. JMO

[lane99]

Who's the one raving? That's quite a conspiracy you seem to be fermenting.

Meanwhile, the circumstances of this case suggest the child was likely abducted. And that she, and her family, have suffered a horrendous victimization. And not only by the abductor.

[daniel green]

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Meanwhile, the circumstances of this case suggest the child was likely abducted. And that she, and her family, have suffered a horrendous victimization. And not only by the abductor.

Indeed, indeed.

[Casspian]

I agree n/t I believe that most in PDL do not believe there was ever an abduction. It affected their livelihood, their economy and people were sick to death of the McCanns.
There was support at first, until people started to be able to see this couple up close and personal. After those photo ops and other things, like the jogging and the shopping and the matching clothing it became very uncomfortable I believe for many residents. Even the Creche, they lost their business. Mark Warner's co is suing actually. I got that link in email this week. Suit is for loss of wages during her "search"....

Some people. I firmly believe that the McCanns will do anything now, espeically since their "fund" is dwindling. I believe that this mother harmed her daughter and it's not a missing persons case. But I've always believed that, she's done nothing to ever change my opinion.
Read the answers she refused to answer. When your child is MISSING you will DO ANYTHING, you will ANSWER ANYTHING in order to help.
This couple has done EVERYTHING to block a true investigation, and started a FUND within weeks, as the donations poured in. She became a cash cow early on.

Cleared? No this couple will never be cleared of suspicion in this case, well that is what I believe. This case is "shelved" at the moment.
It's an open case, most likely murder and one day the truth will come out. But for me it already has. This case is no different from Casey's case, except that this one happened first and I think she knew about it.
Saw the exposure. Saw the MONEY that was generated by such an "abduction". This case is a travesty for all true missing child cases, IMO. I believe they know her body will never be found. I believe they took her to the ocean that night. And dumped her. that's just what I believe.

As LE stated time and again there was NEVER any evidence of a intruder entering that Flat. Camera's laptops and gear, all unsecured on the beds in that flat. Nothing was taken.

Thanks for providing your expertise on this case. I read a lot about it earlier, but have not followed it as closely as many have.

I also think there is a very strong case to be made for the parents being guilty although I wouldn't completely rule out an abduction. The problem I have with it is that on sheer face value, it appears the parents were not being honest. Maybe that was to hide some of their irresponsibility - if so, then they hurt the investigation. Secondly, my hinky meter goes off with the "checking on the kids' bit. I know parents who are much more neurotic than I was and I would never leave my kids in a hotel and go that far away/out of sight (esp kids that age), then claim someone simply listened in to check on them (and not nearly as frequently as they should have). I can't imagine only checking on kids that age at those intervals. And, add to that the things you listed on impeding the investigation....etc. Now they are crying they weren't treated right by the media when they made it into their own show? I just don't get it. Why is that such an issue to them anyway? If I had a missing kid on my mind, I'd probably let that go and focus on finding them.

from Starling...
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...+TV/article.do
"The kids were sound asleep and they were being checked regularly. We didn't think we needed a babysitter. "We are good parents and what we did felt perfectly reasonable at the time."

This might be ok if you are on the back patio, but when you are out-of-site and for extended periods of time? Not within a distance you could even run to help them immediately if you heard they were in distress? NO, not reasonable. They are too concerned with defending the indefensible and blaming others instead of just going about their life and trying to find their daughter.

[Casspian]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23405561-details/Gerry+McCann+forced+to+defend+parenting+on+US+TV/article.do
"The kids were sound asleep and they were being checked regularly. We didn't think we needed a babysitter. "We are good parents and what we did felt perfectly reasonable at the time."

He also says...

"We were dining 50 yards away and we could see the apartment from where we were. It's like we were sat in our back garden, all be it at the end of our garden."

Isn't it true, they actually couldn't see the apartment? I'm not sure if 50 yards is accurate, but from the video and picture I saw, you would have to have a huge yard to claim it was like you were sitting at the end of your garden :rolleyes:

[n/t]

The faceless abductor now has a face 2 years later.:unsure:

New suspect is "Very Ugly" Man

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/07/madeleine-mccann-case-new_n_198787.html

They went from this: http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/EfitPortugalPA_468x574.jpg

To this: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2007/10/26/maddyblog.jpg

And now: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00038/maddie_main_0705_38044a.jpg



Yah I'm still skeptical that this abduction ever happened.

[n/t]

<respectfully snipped>

Secondly, my hinky meter goes off with the "checking on the kids' bit.
from Starling...





My hinky meter went off and still goes off when Jane Tanner (a friend) allegedly saw a man carrying a child and she immediately went to check on her own child who was supposedly sick (but yet leaves her alone anyway) but Tanner didn't bother to alert the other parents knowing all the other children were alone in the apartments. And this child according to Tanner wore the same pink pyjamas as Maddie!!!


Hellloooo??????:unsure:


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There was another important statement that seems to corroborate a sighting by the McCanns’ friend, Jane Tanner. On the night Madeleine went missing, Tanner told police about a man she’d seen carrying a small girl away from the apartment at about 9.10pm. It was a chilly evening but there was no blanket covering the child. Her feet were bare beneath her pyjamas.

At the time, Tanner’s thoughts had been very much on her own family. She had broken away from dinner at the tapas bar to head back to her apartment because one of her children had not been feeling well. It was only later, when it was discovered that Madeleine was missing, that Tanner remembered the man with the child. The pyjamas were pink, like Madeleine’s.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6210716.ece

[imlawlor]

Who's the one raving? That's quite a conspiracy you seem to be fermenting.

Meanwhile, the circumstances of this case suggest the child was likely abducted. And that she, and her family, have suffered a horrendous victimization. And not only by the abductor.

The real police who actually thoroughly investigated the case came to the conclusion an abduction was impossible. They based their conclusion on forensics and witness statements. Not enough time for an abductor to take the child and be unnoticed. No evidence of break in, dna, fingerprints. Plus all the lies the parents told about broken shutters and break in. Only finger prints on a window that could only be opened from the inside belonged to Kate. Cadaver dogs signal of body in apartment.

Conclusion, child died in apartment on May 3rd and body was removed. No body found and not enough evidence to convict. Case shelved pending more conclusive evidence.

[n/t]

The real police who actually thoroughly investigated the case came to the conclusion an abduction was impossible. They based their conclusion on forensics and witness statements. Not enough time for an abductor to take the child and be unnoticed. No evidence of break in, dna, fingerprints. Plus all the lies the parents told about broken shutters and break in. Only finger prints on a window that could only be opened from the inside belonged to Kate. Cadaver dogs signal of body in apartment.

Conclusion, child died in apartment on May 3rd and body was removed. No body found and not enough evidence to convict. Case shelved pending more conclusive evidence.

IMO, politics played a big role in this case and the truth about what really happened was swept under the rug. At the very beginning, all evidence pointed to the parents being involved especially Kate. When they suddenly returned to the UK and shortly thereafter the Portuguese police chief was taken off the case and the parents were no longer "arguidos" (suspects).

A reconstruction of the abduction was done back in 2007 and the criminal psychologists said the kidnapping would be inconsistent with the evidence.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2622152.ece

Also, very insteresting is that Kate was upset when the police wanted to do a recreation of the crime scene in 2008

Link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3708821.ece

but ironically, it was ok for Gerry to go with his film crew to do his own documentary just recently (April 2009)


:sneaky:

[n/t]

For those not familiar with the case....Clarence Mitchell, the McCann spokesperson worked for the Labour government as director of its Media Monitoring Unit. He was "plucked" from his job, and sent out to handle the media, rather than be part of the media, on a massive crime story. He left his government job and works for the McCanns.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7010286.stm

[lane99]

...came to the conclusion an abduction was impossible...


This is a conclusion which grotesquely overreaches the facts of the case as they are known. Which thus gives ample reason for objective and intelligent people to be skeptical of the credibility of those who might espouse it.

[n/t]

This is a conclusion which grotesquely overreaches the facts of the case as they are known. Which thus gives ample reason for objective and intelligent people to be skeptical of the credibility of those who might espouse it.

The truth doesn't change with time. Facts are facts. What are the facts as you know them?

[starling]

He also says...

"We were dining 50 yards away and we could see the apartment from where we were. It's like we were sat in our back garden, all be it at the end of our garden."

Isn't it true, they actually couldn't see the apartment? I'm not sure if 50 yards is accurate, but from the video and picture I saw, you would have to have a huge yard to claim it was like you were sitting at the end of your garden :rolleyes:


It's all hinky.
So much does not add up.
Gives me the creeps.. how (okay) leaving these children alone night after night was done by 'good parents'


JMO

[Casspian]

The real police who actually thoroughly investigated the case came to the conclusion an abduction was impossible. They based their conclusion on forensics and witness statements. Not enough time for an abductor to take the child and be unnoticed. No evidence of break in, dna, fingerprints. Plus all the lies the parents told about broken shutters and break in. Only finger prints on a window that could only be opened from the inside belonged to Kate. Cadaver dogs signal of body in apartment.

Conclusion, child died in apartment on May 3rd and body was removed. No body found and not enough evidence to convict. Case shelved pending more conclusive evidence.


Doesn't sound like an abduction, does it? Actually, what evidence is there of an abduction aside from the various "weird/vague characters as suspects" being touted from eggman/faceless man to uglyman?

[Casspian]

My hinky meter went off and still goes off when Jane Tanner (a friend) allegedly saw a man carrying a child and she immediately went to check on her own child who was supposedly sick (but yet leaves her alone anyway) but Tanner didn't bother to alert the other parents knowing all the other children were alone in the apartments. And this child according to Tanner wore the same pink pyjamas as Maddie!!!


Hellloooo??????:unsure:

<respectufully snipped>

I had forgotten about that tidbit. Generally, nothing seems quite right with any of the stories being told about that night. To me, that is usually a good indication to point back to the folks who's stories don't really make sense - esp when the forensic data does not support their accounts or actually does support that they are not telling the truth.

[n/t]

Doesn't sound like an abduction, does it? Actually, what evidence is there of an abduction aside from the various "weird/vague characters as suspects" being touted from eggman/faceless man to uglyman?

Remember when they were pointing the finger at Murat? Tanner was convinced he was the one she saw. IIRC, at one time they even said the abductor was a Portuguese woman or some gypsy woman. Now it's this ugly man/sex offender who supposedly is holding Madeleine in the area and she's still alive. :huh:

[Casspian]

bugout ... thanks for responding. I have always found it fascinating to look at the words people use and to look at their behavior following a crime. I know there are some excellent resources on the net for this, I guess these would be in the category of "forensic psychology'.

[n/t]

hmmm....this will be interesting. Stay tuned.

Madeleine McCann officer to counter-sue Gerry and Kate

"We will see who has spoken the truth in this case."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/5339594/Madeleine-McCann-officer-to-counter-sue-Gerry-and-Kate.html

[Casspian]

hmmm....this will be interesting. Stay tuned.

Madeleine McCann officer to counter-sue Gerry and Kate

"We will see who has spoken the truth in this case."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/5339594/Madeleine-McCann-officer-to-counter-sue-Gerry-and-Kate.html


Yes, that could definitely get interesting!

[4Life]

(May 22) -- Raymond Hewlett, a fugitive British pedophile, is under suspicion in the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal, according to reports Friday in the British media.

http://news.aol.com/article/madeleine-mccann/495309

[baywench]

(May 22) -- Raymond Hewlett, a fugitive British pedophile, is under suspicion in the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal, according to reports Friday in the British media.

http://news.aol.com/article/madeleine-mccann/495309


Well if this is true I will seriously have to question my deductive skills. I screamed and yelled and posted and was banned and returned saying the parents were involved with her disapperance. jmo

[rosered]

Well if this is true I will seriously have to question my deductive skills. I screamed and yelled and posted and was banned and returned saying the parents were involved with her disapperance. jmo

yeah, me too! but,you had good reason though. they left the children by themselves and if he is the one that took maddies, you can bet he was staking them out.

[Pat]

Clarence Mitchell put this story out around midnight UK time Thursday night. PT knew about the guy and eliminated him early in the investigation. It is all in the files released by the Portuguese authorities last year when the McCann's arguido status was lifted.

The McCanns know this and Mitchell was backing off the story today. They still have Pimpleman and about 5 or more "suspects" to parade out. When the Pimpleman sketch was released earlier in the week, along with statements from witnesses whom the McCanns claimed saw him but were never questioned, the same thing happened. Enterprising bloggers went into the officials files and found every witness was questioned and suspects run down. The McCann's problem is they keep forgetting the official files were distributed all over the internet and translated. They can come out with these outrageous claims, but can't stick with them because bloggers immediately quote chapter and verse to dispute them.

You all do realize, don't you, that the McCanns could have requested the case be kept open? They had until Sept 21, 2008 (if I recall the exact date correctly) to officially request the case be kept open by the Portuguese authorities and they just let it slide on by. Now they are outraged at having to "search on their own". Their hubris is breath-taking.

[LisaM22]

(May 22) -- Raymond Hewlett, a fugitive British pedophile, is under suspicion in the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal, according to reports Friday in the British media.

http://news.aol.com/article/madeleine-mccann/495309

wow, how sad, so the victims parents may have been dealing with the lose of a child and the victim of false accusations by the public at the same time, how sad, I can not even imagine what that woudl be like - losing a child is said to be a parents worst nightmare, but losing a child and being blamed for it would be a nightmare on steroids

[Vortex]

wow, how sad, so the victims parents may have been dealing with the lose of a child and the victim of false accusations by the public at the same time, how sad, I can not even imagine what that woudl be like - losing a child is said to be a parents worst nightmare, but losing a child and being blamed for it would be a nightmare on steroids

Oooooh, my first thought was about John and Patsy Ramsey.

[LisaM22]

Oooooh, my first thought was about John and Patsy Ramsey.

I am sure it happens more they we would like to think, these are just cases that caught the publics attention - some may even be in prison today, can you imagine the horror in that?

[♫Rock*Star♫]

I agree with Pat.

The only people calling this person a "suspect" are Clarence Mitchell and the McCanns.

[Pat]

wow, how sad, so the victims parents may have been dealing with the lose of a child and the victim of false accusations by the public at the same time, how sad, I can not even imagine what that woudl be like - losing a child is said to be a parents worst nightmare, but losing a child and being blamed for it would be a nightmare on steroids

Well...when you start lying to authorities immediately, aren't careful to make sure your public statements don't conflict on important details, refuse to participate in an official reconstruction, allegedly because your friends won't, don't beg for the official investigation to remain active when you know you have a deadline before the case is shelved, is it really much of a surprise people will have serious questions about your behavior? Especially when you are making millions and a perusal of the publicly disclosed financial statements show the expenditures look questionable.

In the court of public opinion, there are a lot of unaswered questions regarding this case, just as there are in the Ramsey case. Of course people will discuss it.

[baywench]

Imagine that? The parent's were in no way involved. YIKES!!!

Not only did I not think they were involved, but apparently the authorities in more than one country didn't either. The very idea was ridiculous. There are always going to be those who.............:tonguewag:

mo

Well my, aren't you the snarkey little poster? Seems like we've met before. jmo

[baywench]

Clarence Mitchell put this story out around midnight UK time Thursday night. PT knew about the guy and eliminated him early in the investigation. It is all in the files released by the Portuguese authorities last year when the McCann's arguido status was lifted.

The McCanns know this and Mitchell was backing off the story today. They still have Pimpleman and about 5 or more "suspects" to parade out. When the Pimpleman sketch was released earlier in the week, along with statements from witnesses whom the McCanns claimed saw him but were never questioned, the same thing happened. Enterprising bloggers went into the officials files and found every witness was questioned and suspects run down. The McCann's problem is they keep forgetting the official files were distributed all over the internet and translated. They can come out with these outrageous claims, but can't stick with them because bloggers immediately quote chapter and verse to dispute them.

You all do realize, don't you, that the McCanns could have requested the case be kept open? They had until Sept 21, 2008 (if I recall the exact date correctly) to officially request the case be kept open by the Portuguese authorities and they just let it slide on by. Now they are outraged at having to "search on their own". Their hubris is breath-taking.

I should have known there was nothing concrete on him since the Mccann's behavior still defies logic and the timelines never matched. Whew, I feel better now. Until there is DNA or a definite charge I will stick with my original thoughts. jmo Aren't you supposed to be a tongue wag on a discussion board?

[baywench]

yeah, me too! but,you had good reason though. they left the children by themselves and if he is the one that took maddies, you can bet he was staking them out.

Thank you for restoring my reason. They are guilty no matter what for leaving them alone. That was always my position. Careful, we appear to have new hall monitors. I bet this goes nowhere with this guy. jmo

[Jim]

Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/5377679/Paedophile-linked-to-Madeleine-McCann-inquiry-often-visited-holiday-complex.html)

Geraldo had an investigator on who said they'll be talking to a pedophile that is in the hospital. He has a van and was close to hotel when girl was abducted.

I hope Madeleine is alive.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

The ol' "Clarence Mitchell finds another suspect" ploy.

People should take note that the only people saying this guy is a suspect are Clarence Mitchell and the McCanns.

[4Life]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/5377679/Paedophile-linked-to-Madeleine-McCann-inquiry-often-visited-holiday-complex.html

[sesame]

The ol' "Clarence Mitchell finds another suspect" ploy.

People should take note that the only people saying this guy is a suspect are Clarence Mitchell and the McCanns.

Is that true? I was hoping this was going to turn out different.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Is that true? I was hoping this was going to turn out different.

It is indeed true.

There are absolutely no law enforcement officials claiming this guy is a suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.

[Jim]

The ol' "Clarence Mitchell finds another suspect" ploy.

People should take note that the only people saying this guy is a suspect are Clarence Mitchell and the McCanns.

What you saying Rock Star..

The McCanns abducted their own daughter. :ohmy:

Get a clue. The abductor is dieing in a hospital and they need to get answers before he's dead so they can find her.

[4Life]

I don't think we will ever know the truth, just like the Hollaway and Ramsey cases

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Madeleine McCann was never abducted.

No proof whatsoever of an abduction.

[sesame]

What you saying Rock Star..

The McCanns abducted their own daughter. :ohmy:

Get a clue. The abductor is dieing in a hospital and they need to get answers before he's dead so they can find her.

I don't know what to believe any longer, this case has totaly confused me, and at times left me tormented.

[4Life]

What you saying Rock Star..

The McCanns abducted their own daughter. :ohmy:

Get a clue. The abductor is dieing in a hospital and they need to get answers before he's dead so they can find her.

HAs this been proven?

[Jim]

Madeleine McCann was never abducted.

No proof whatsoever of an abduction.

Let's say there no proof she wasn't abducted.

Every parent that's missing a child will turn over every stone till they find their missing child.

Wouldn't you? :shrug:

[♫Rock*Star♫]

HAs this been proven?

In a word... NO.

And it never will be proven. Because it is a lie.

Anyone have a link to a law enforcement official stating this guy is a suspect in Madeleine's disappearance?

No?

I thought as much.

[sesame]

Let's say there no proof she wasn't abducted.

Every parent that's missing a child will turn over every stone till they find their missing child.

Wouldn't you? :shrug:

I know of a case on this board, where one parent who had custody hasn't done much of anything to find his child. Does leave me wondering.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Let's say there no proof she wasn't abducted.

Every parent that's missing a child will turn over every stone till they find their missing child.

Wouldn't you? :shrug:

These particular parents know exactly where Madeleine is. They're the ones that put her there.

[Jim]

These particular parents know exactly where Madeleine is. They're the ones that put her there.

Where is there.. :confused:

Geraldo made it sound like they were hot on the trail of a pedophile.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Where is there.. :confused:

Geraldo made it sound like they were hot on the trail of a pedophile.

Let me know when someone affiliated with law enforcement makes it sound like law enforcement is hot on the trail of a pedophile as a suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.

TIA.

[jamma6]

I don`t think the McCanns did anything to their daughter. Their friends would have spoken up about the whole story that has been told about checking on the children ect. MOO

[Jim]

LINK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/5366344/Madeleine-McCann-British-paedophile-Raymond-Hewlett-is-significant-new-suspect.html)

The 64-year-old has a long record of sex attacks on young girls and is wanted by police in Britain and Ireland. He has been on the run since Madeleine's disappearance.

[Pat]

There isn't one word of truth in your post. OMG!

mo

Before you call me a liar, I suggest you read the OFFICIAL documents released by the Portuguese authorities when the McCann's arguido status was lifted. The documents in this case, to include their statements, the witness statements, the police findings, and rules covering this case have been all been translated into English and are available on the internet. I've read them ALL. Obviously, YOU have NOT.

Yes...they absolutely could have asked for the case to remain open and active. IIRC, that deadline was September 21, 2008.

[rosered]

What you saying Rock Star..

The McCanns abducted their own daughter. :ohmy:

Get a clue. The abductor is dieing in a hospital and they need to get answers before he's dead so they can find her.

there is also no proof this pedo is maddie's abducter, or even if she was abducted. just another spin from the mccann camp until law officials say something.

[emdragon]

In a word... NO.

And it never will be proven. Because it is a lie.

Anyone have a link to a law enforcement official stating this guy is a suspect in Madeleine's disappearance?

No?

I thought as much.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20280716,00.html

Now police forces in the U.K. are looking into possibly extraditing him from Germany so he can questioned over some existing cases.

Mitchell confirms that investigators, hired by the family, will head out to Germany when they can. He added that they are liaising with British police forces over the case. "The investigators are seeking to establish the truth of some of the claims,"he adds. "Certainly, there are questions to answer."

[aproudmom]

Madeleine McCann was never abducted.

No proof whatsoever of an abduction.

I do not think they did anything other than make a horrible mistake by leaving their kids alone as they went to eat but they will live with that for the rest of their life..jmo

[aproudmom]

In a word... NO.

And it never will be proven. Because it is a lie.

Anyone have a link to a law enforcement official stating this guy is a suspect in Madeleine's disappearance?

No?

I thought as much.

this was posted already but just in case you missed it thought I would send it to you again he has not been called a POI that I have seen but they do have questions and of course he says he had nothing to do with it so he is not guilty of anything but being a sick POS already for the horrible crimes he has been found guilty of..:cursing:


Police Focus on New Suspect in Hunt for Madeleine McCann

Hewlett is said by the reports in the U.K. to be a convicted pedophile with a history of sex attacks on young girls over more than 30 years. Now police forces in the U.K. are looking into possibly extraditing him from Germany so he can questioned over some existing cases.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20280716,00.html

[aproudmom]

I couldn't agree more. A voice of reason! You are so refreshing. Thank you.

mo

your welcome I know alot blame them or say she gave her something to knock her out as they went out and it killed her but I do not think that happened I think someone knew what they had been doing every night and watched this child and knew just when to take her..yes I think they should not have left the kids alone but from their interview you could see they will never forgive themselves so me judging them will not hurt them any more than they already are hurting...another thing if these parents did anything why would they hire people to update what she would look like and have PI's working to find out what happened I think if it was them they would not want to do anything to possibly bring focus on them or this case would not make since at all...they did not do this and no one will change my mind there may be no evidence of a kidnapping but there is also no proof the parents drugged her and she died and they dumped her somewhere...jmo

[aproudmom]

I'm with you! There will always be that small group that "always" automatically think the worst of the parent's. They have the misguided idea that they're perfect parents themselves, and are in a position to judge every other parent. Well, they are far from perfect. No parent deliberately puts their child in harms way. When hasn't one of us made a decision to do something that could have turned out badly??

There is no evidence of the parent doing anything to harm their daughter. Yes, they will always regret putting the children to bed, and stepping out into the nearby restaurant. It will be with them til the day they die.

I'm still hopeful Maddie may be found. There's is no reason for me to stop hoping and praying.

mo


I know I agree and everyone has their own opinion and I respect it and agree not so sure anyone can say at some time in their life they did not do something that could have put their child in harms way I for one would not have left those young children alone but IIRC they were with a group of people and they all would put their kids to bed and go have dinner and take turns checking in on them I think LE was getting so much pressure over this it was so high profile and then they started pointing fingers at the mother I will pray she is found one day or at least her parents have some sort of closure and know what happened to her they are hurting and will for the rest of their life..like I said they do not need me to bash them or blame them when there is no proof they did anything to this sweet child..

So I am praying right along with you we can not give up hope for this little one..every time I see her so happy on her vacation I still tear up..

[kellabeck]

I believe the McCanns are guilty of nothing more than poor judgment in leaving the children alone in an unlocked room.

I believe this Raymond Hewitt guy may well turn out to have been Madeleine's abductor. It's possible she is still alive.
But more likely she's dead. I hope answers are found soon.

[n/t]

Detectives in Germany have had their attempt to question paedophile Raymond Hewlett about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann rebuffed, Sky sources understand.

He was among a number of known child sex offenders to have been initially interviewed by police in the early days of the investigation.

A confirmed alibi had ruled him out of the case.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Madeleine-McCann-Disappearance-Paedophile-Raymond-Hewlett-Wanted-For-Questions-By-Detectives/Article/200905415288035?lpos=UK_News_First_World_News_Arti cle_Teaser_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15288035_Madeleine_McCann_Disappearanc e%3A_Paedophile_Raymond_Hewlett_Wanted_For_Questio ns_By_Detectives

[annalyzer]

http://mccannfundfraud.info/

The fund speaks for itself. Their behavior speaks to all mothers and parents who are good loving people that would never ever neglect their children to dine on holiday.

I suggest a refresher course at this time: There are so many out there but lets start here regarding the fraud of the fund and the propensity to lie about details in a murder case. I do believe this is a murder and not a missing child case. I'd say that the PDL early documents and descriptions say it best. The parents made "sounds of crying" but never actually cried.
Instead, they started the F U N D. Because they knew she wasn't ever coming back. That's what I still believe.

I'll never forget all the talk of "The Fund" soon after little Maddie disappeared, while mum and dad casually strolled on the beach or read stories to the twins. Not a tear was shed for Maddie. :crying:

[n/t]

I find it very interesting that out of a "number" of known sex offenders who were interviewed by police, they chose this one, the dying one to call a "POI". Person of interest per spokesperson...not the police but the spokesperson.

[annalyzer]

I don't know if the McCann's had anything to do with Maddie's disappearance but I honestly would not link them to her disappearance because they did not "cry" publicly. Just have personal knowledge that not all people shed tears in public. :shrug:

"not shedding a tear" is a way of describing their attitude after Maddie disappeared. I don't think they had a hand in the actual abduction. I believe a pervert had been watching Maddie and the family all week and grabbed Maddie when he got the chance, which wasn't hard to do considering she was left alone and unattended night after night. I read a news story recently that had several people stating that they had seen a man watching the apt. complex for several days. This includes a twelve year old girl. Yet the McCann's were clueless and left their little girl alone and unattended night after night in a pedophile infested resort. Okay big mistake but soon after Maddie disappeared all I read about was The Fund while the McCann's were photographed taking casual strolls on the beach, Kate doing her daily jog, and the McCann's reading bedtime stories to the twins. :unsure:

[n/t]

"not shedding a tear" is a way of describing their attitude after Maddie disappeared. I don't think they had a hand in the actual abduction. I believe a pervert had been watching Maddie and the family all week and grabbed Maddie when he got the chance, which wasn't hard to do considering she was left alone and unattended night after night. I read a news story recently that had several people stating that they had seen a man watching the apt. complex for several days. This includes a twelve year old girl. Yet the McCann's were clueless and left their little girl alone and unattended night after night in a pedophile infested resort. Okay big mistake but soon after Maddie disappeared all I read about was The Fund while the McCann's were photographed taking casual strolls on the beach, Kate doing her daily jog, and the McCann's reading bedtime stories to the twins. :unsure:

I think it's unfair to label Praia de Luz a pedophile infested resort. As far as I know, this is their first "abduction" case. Millions of tourists go every year and yes, families with children!

[annalyzer]

I think it's unfair to label Praia de Luz a pedophile infested resort. As far as I know, this is their first "abduction" case. Millions of tourists go every year and yes, families with children!

"Professor Kevin Browne, who advises many international agencies including the WHO and Unicef on child protection. He made clear that this quiet village could harbour a number of child abusers who had been released into the community rather than convicted.

The situation in Portugal was, he pointed out, very different from that in Britain today, being more the way it used to be here a decade or more ago.

Compared with other countries in Western Europe, Portugal convicts a much smaller proportion of child abusers. Children are more likely to be removed from their families, ending up in institutions while their abusers walk free. As a consequence, there are not only potentially more abusers within society unmarked and unmonitored, but a of whole new generation of people with an increased likelihood of becoming abusers because of their own experiences. "

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2681658.ece

Every time a child comes up missing, such as Haleigh Cummings, someone does a search of the pedophiles living in the area. There are always numerous known pedophiles living relatively near the abducted child. That's not counting the unknown. I don't think there is any place that is pedophile free. If that was the case we could all leave our children alone every night and not worry some pervert would take them.

[4Life]

But there are pedophiles in every state and country. Law enforcement always does a search of the pedophiles living in a area where are child is missing.






"Professor Kevin Browne, who advises many international agencies including the WHO and Unicef on child protection. He made clear that this quiet village could harbour a number of child abusers who had been released into the community rather than convicted.

The situation in Portugal was, he pointed out, very different from that in Britain today, being more the way it used to be here a decade or more ago.

Compared with other countries in Western Europe, Portugal convicts a much smaller proportion of child abusers. Children are more likely to be removed from their families, ending up in institutions while their abusers walk free. As a consequence, there are not only potentially more abusers within society unmarked and unmonitored, but a of whole new generation of people with an increased likelihood of becoming abusers because of their own experiences. "

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2681658.ece

Every time a child comes up missing, such as Haleigh Cummings, someone does a search of the pedophiles living in the area. There are always numerous known pedophiles living relatively near the abducted child. That's not counting the unknown. I don't think there is any place that is pedophile free. If that was the case we could all leave our children alone every night and not worry some pervert would take them.

[n/t]

"Professor Kevin Browne, who advises many international agencies including the WHO and Unicef on child protection. He made clear that this quiet village could harbour a number of child abusers who had been released into the community rather than convicted.

The situation in Portugal was, he pointed out, very different from that in Britain today, being more the way it used to be here a decade or more ago.

Compared with other countries in Western Europe, Portugal convicts a much smaller proportion of child abusers. Children are more likely to be removed from their families, ending up in institutions while their abusers walk free. As a consequence, there are not only potentially more abusers within society unmarked and unmonitored, but a of whole new generation of people with an increased likelihood of becoming abusers because of their own experiences. "

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2681658.ece

Every time a child comes up missing, such as Haleigh Cummings, someone does a search of the pedophiles living in the area. There are always numerous known pedophiles living relatively near the abducted child. That's not counting the unknown. I don't think there is any place that is pedophile free. If that was the case we could all leave our children alone every night and not worry some pervert would take them.

Well yes of course there are pedophiles roaming our streets no matter what country you live in. It's not safe anywhere but to say it's a "pedophile infested resort" per your statement, IMO is unfair and totally unfounded. It's like saying Myrtle Beach is unsafe because Brittanee Drixel was allegedly abducted there. :shrug:

[annalyzer]

Well yes of course there are pedophiles roaming our streets no matter what country you live in. It's not safe anywhere but to say it's a "pedophile infested resort" per your statement, IMO is unfair and totally unfounded. It's like saying Myrtle Beach is unsafe because Brittanee Drixel was allegedly abducted there. :shrug:

Page last updated at 23:29 GMT, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 00:29 UK

'Very ugly' new Madeleine suspect

An artist's impression of a suspect in Madeleine's case has been released
An artist's impression has been drawn of the latest suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The image shows a "very ugly" man who appeared to watch the apartment where the three-year-old's family was staying on the day before she vanished.

The McCann family were staying in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz when Madeleine went missing on 3 May, 2007.

Investigators have received hundreds of phone calls since the McCanns appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show in the US.

The latest image is based on the account of a British woman on holiday in Praia da Luz.

She said she saw the man, with pitted skin and a large nose, twice in the days before Madeleine's disappearance and told police he was "very ugly", about 5ft 10ins tall, slim and was wearing casual clothes, probably jeans.

In my experience random just doesn't happen - someone just doesn't go in, a passer-by, and pick up a child and take it.

Another two witnesses - a 12-year-old schoolgirl and a man from Cheshire - also reported seeing a man watching the McCanns' apartment in the days before Madeleine vanished.

They have not yet confirmed whether the person they saw was the same one depicted in the new artist's impression.

Meanwhile, retired British detectives believe five separate sightings of a suspicious man could help solve the mystery of Madeleine's disappearance.

Former detective inspector Dave Edgar, 52, and former detective sergeant Arthur Cowley, 57, are being employed by the McCanns to continue the search for their daughter.

The former policemen have examined thousands of pages from the official Portuguese case files, which were made public last July.

They have formed a theory based on several previously unreported accounts along with two better known sightings of a man carrying a child away from the flat on the night Madeleine vanished.
Their idea, revealed in a documentary to be broadcast on Channel 4 on Thursday, is that someone watched the McCanns' apartment for up to a week before Madeleine disappeared.

Mr Edgar said: "In my experience random just doesn't happen - someone just doesn't go in, a passer-by, and pick up a child and take it. These things are planned.

"There's three [witness accounts] of exactly the same location.

"I don't know what the Portuguese authorities have done to eliminate these people from the inquiry. So we've got to presume that they haven't done it and go with that.

"This offence happened in Praia da Luz. It's a very self-contained resort, and that's where I think the answer is."

The McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, used their appearance on the Oprah Winfrey Show to release a computer-aged picture of how their daughter might look now.

Madeleine's sixth birthday will be on Tuesday.

The recent calls made to the couple's private investigators include details of around 30 possible sightings of the missing girl, mostly in the US and Latin America but a few in Europe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8036937.stm

Sounds infested to me. :unsure:

[4Life]

Page last updated at 23:29 GMT, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 00:29 UK

'Very ugly' new Madeleine suspect

An artist's impression of a suspect in Madeleine's case has been released
An artist's impression has been drawn of the latest suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The image shows a "very ugly" man who appeared to watch the apartment where the three-year-old's family was staying on the day before she vanished.

The McCann family were staying in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz when Madeleine went missing on 3 May, 2007.

Investigators have received hundreds of phone calls since the McCanns appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show in the US.

The latest image is based on the account of a British woman on holiday in Praia da Luz.

She said she saw the man, with pitted skin and a large nose, twice in the days before Madeleine's disappearance and told police he was "very ugly", about 5ft 10ins tall, slim and was wearing casual clothes, probably jeans.

In my experience random just doesn't happen - someone just doesn't go in, a passer-by, and pick up a child and take it.

Another two witnesses - a 12-year-old schoolgirl and a man from Cheshire - also reported seeing a man watching the McCanns' apartment in the days before Madeleine vanished.

They have not yet confirmed whether the person they saw was the same one depicted in the new artist's impression.

Meanwhile, retired British detectives believe five separate sightings of a suspicious man could help solve the mystery of Madeleine's disappearance.

Former detective inspector Dave Edgar, 52, and former detective sergeant Arthur Cowley, 57, are being employed by the McCanns to continue the search for their daughter.

The former policemen have examined thousands of pages from the official Portuguese case files, which were made public last July.

They have formed a theory based on several previously unreported accounts along with two better known sightings of a man carrying a child away from the flat on the night Madeleine vanished.
Their idea, revealed in a documentary to be broadcast on Channel 4 on Thursday, is that someone watched the McCanns' apartment for up to a week before Madeleine disappeared.

Mr Edgar said: "In my experience random just doesn't happen - someone just doesn't go in, a passer-by, and pick up a child and take it. These things are planned.

"There's three [witness accounts] of exactly the same location.

"I don't know what the Portuguese authorities have done to eliminate these people from the inquiry. So we've got to presume that they haven't done it and go with that.

"This offence happened in Praia da Luz. It's a very self-contained resort, and that's where I think the answer is."

The McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, used their appearance on the Oprah Winfrey Show to release a computer-aged picture of how their daughter might look now.

Madeleine's sixth birthday will be on Tuesday.

The recent calls made to the couple's private investigators include details of around 30 possible sightings of the missing girl, mostly in the US and Latin America but a few in Europe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8036937.stm

Sounds infested to me. :unsure:

But what you posted is just ONE person :confused:

[annalyzer]

But what you posted is just ONE person :confused:

How do you know it was the same person? How many different sketches have we seen now?

[n/t]

How do you know it was the same person? How many different sketches have we seen now?

3 or 4 but same man. It evolved from an egg to an ugly man.

[4Life]

How do you know it was the same person? How many different sketches have we seen now?

Ok, how do you know its not the same person?

[annalyzer]

3 or 4 but same man. It evolved from an egg to an ugly man.


Quite a lot of evolving for it to be the same man. Which none by the way resemble the pedophile named in this thread.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20280716,00.html


this was posted already but just in case you missed it thought I would send it to you again he has not been called a POI that I have seen but they do have questions and of course he says he had nothing to do with it so he is not guilty of anything but being a sick POS already for the horrible crimes he has been found guilty of..:cursing:


Police Focus on New Suspect in Hunt for Madeleine McCann

Hewlett is said by the reports in the U.K. to be a convicted pedophile with a history of sex attacks on young girls over more than 30 years. Now police forces in the U.K. are looking into possibly extraditing him from Germany so he can questioned over some existing cases.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20280716,00.html

Again... no one in law enforcement is saying that this guy is a suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

Not one law enforcement official.

Only Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns, and their "investigators."

[Pat]

From Sky News live interview today:

Speaking outside the hospital, one of the investigators, Dave Edgar said: "The gentleman that's in here is not a suspect, he is someone who we are interested in.

"I would not describe him as a suspect. We want to eliminate him from the investigation."

Why did Mitchell mislead the press Thursday night? This man has no connection to the McCann case, their own PI says so, yet they say they say, "we want to eliminate him...".

Eliminate him from what, exactly? The man can't speak. He's intubated, just had surgery for throat cancer and the doctor (and nurses) are refusing to allow anyone to disturb him. Sounds to me like he may be in a morphine coma, anyway.

What was the purpose of this PR exercise? Pimpleman (as the lurking snatcher) has been discredited, with s******s. So Mitchell does a quick substitute to make everyone forget the PR disaster of Pimpleman? He's got a bigger PR disaster on his hands now.

The more these people do, the worse they look.

[Pat]

From Sky News live interview today:

Speaking outside the hospital, one of the investigators, Dave Edgar said: "The gentleman that's in here is not a suspect, he is someone who we are interested in.

"I would not describe him as a suspect. We want to eliminate him from the investigation."

Why did Mitchell mislead the press Thursday night? This man has no connection to the McCann case, their own PI says so, yet they say they say, "we want to eliminate him...".

Eliminate him from what, exactly? The man can't speak. He's intubated, just had surgery for throat cancer and the doctor (and nurses) are refusing to allow anyone to disturb him. Sounds to me like he may be in a morphine coma, anyway.

What was the purpose of this PR exercise? Pimpleman (as the lurking snatcher) has been discredited, with sni ggers. So Mitchell does a quick substitute to make everyone forget the PR disaster of Pimpleman? He's got a bigger PR disaster on his hands now.

The more these people do, the worse they look.

ETA: Interesting...the 'banned word' filter actually goes inside a totally unrelated word and censors it! :laugh:

[imlawlor]

Oh, dear me, now Sky news is reporting that the Portuguese police will not investigate all the new Madeleine sightings because she is dead and the case is closed. How very unhelpful of them.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Madeleine-McCann-New-Clues-Are-Being-Ignored-By-Portuguese-Police-According-To-Sky-News-Sources/Article/200905415288536?lpos=UK_News_Top_Stories_Header_2&lid=ARTICLE_15288536_Madeleine_McCann%3A_New_Clues _Are_Being_Ignored_By_Portuguese_Police%2C_Accordi ng_To_Sky_News_Sources

[Pat]

Defending a sex offender? What hubris.

First of all, the German and UK police are aware of who and what he is. Second of all, I'm sure we all agree he is a nasty piece of work.

Does that mean Mitchell & Co should be allowed to use him as a smoke screen for their own problems and let the uninformed public think he is responsible for Maddie going missing? Nonsense.

IF there was an abductor, shouldn't the McCanns biggest concern be finding the right one instead of pointing fingers at every fellow seen lurking on a doorstep or street corner, as they've done for two years?

The UK police had a list of all the UK SO's in Portugal. This one, along with the other 158, were investigated and proven to have no connection to this case. Why drag this one, who is on his death bed, out into the public arena, imply "HE'S THE ONE!!", when they know full good and well he isn't...and have now admitted it?

This isn't about this SO...it's about the McCann effort to keep the public eye looking at every one but them.

[imlawlor]

I guess our McCann suspect is now out of intensive care and has been moved to his room according to some German newspaper. They claim to have interviewed him and said his wife is trying to get him a lawyer. He says he has nothing to do with the McCann case.

It would seem the British police want to talk to him about some old cases and want his DNA before he dies. The British police cases have nothing to do with the McCann case. So far it is only the McCanns who are linking him to Madeleine. He talked to police two years ago and was cleared.

[Nic99]

Defending a sex offender? What hubris.

First of all, the German and UK police are aware of who and what he is. Second of all, I'm sure we all agree he is a nasty piece of work.

Does that mean Mitchell & Co should be allowed to use him as a smoke screen for their own problems and let the uninformed public think he is responsible for Maddie going missing? Nonsense.

IF there was an abductor, shouldn't the McCanns biggest concern be finding the right one instead of pointing fingers at every fellow seen lurking on a doorstep or street corner, as they've done for two years?

The UK police had a list of all the UK SO's in Portugal. This one, along with the other 158, were investigated and proven to have no connection to this case. Why drag this one, who is on his death bed, out into the public arena, imply "HE'S THE ONE!!", when they know full good and well he isn't...and have now admitted it?

This isn't about this SO...it's about the McCann effort to keep the public eye looking at every one but them.


They obviously feel that this man is worth looking at again and I can see why. He fits the description of a man seen that night carrying a young girl of Maddie's description and was only an hour's drive away and knew the hotel complex well. Sometimes police go back to potential suspects after eliminating them and thank goodness they do, because they have been proved right in doing this before in other cases.

The Portugese police have let Maddie and her family badly down IMO and they have had to take control themselves, because of this. Their attitude saying that Maddie is dead, etc, stinks. A body has never been found and I hope and pray that she is found soon. I know I would be doing everything in my power if it were me, so I can totally understand everything they are doing, as I am sure any other caring parents would IMO.

[imlawlor]

They obviously feel that this man is worth looking at again and I can see why. He fits the description of a man seen that night carrying a young girl of Maddie's description and was only an hour's drive away and knew the hotel complex well. Sometimes police go back to potential suspects after eliminating them and thank goodness they do, because they have been proved right in doing this before in other cases.

The Portugese police have let Maddie and her family badly down IMO and they have had to take control themselves, because of this. Their attitude saying that Maddie is dead, etc, stinks. A body has never been found and I hope and pray that she is found soon. I know I would be doing everything in my power if it were me, so I can totally understand everything they are doing, as I am sure any other caring parents would IMO.

He does not fit any description of the man carrying a child. It was someone in their 30's or 40's. Not same height, weight. Remember most of these drawings of suspects were issued by the McCann's and could have been drawn to suit their purposes. The man was eliminated by the real police as he had an alibi and was working at a market. The police are not going back and reinvestigating this man. It is only the McCann detectives that consider him and now they have already backed off and said they don't really think he is a suspect.

Don't you find it strange that a police investigation the determined that no abduction could have taken place, that found the scent of death in the apartment, in the car and on Kate's clothes is completely ignored. The principal suspects hire their own detectives to chase after all the eliminated leads and everyone believes them. Very strange thinking.

[Pat]

Eddie and Keela, the famous cadaver and blood dogs, were brought in at the request of the UK police because of their concerns with the McCanns and Tapas groups stories. The dogs were "handled" by a British dog handler under the supervision of both the UK and Portuguese police. There are photos in the official files to prove it.

To this day, the UK police have never refuted, privately or publicly, the findings of the Portugese police of Maddie being dead and her body removed from the apartment. And that there was no abductor. The PJ feel Maddie's death was accidental. The removal of her body is the issue and the theory is the McCanns were afraid of being charged and jailed for neglect, which started the immediate cover up.

How many of you are aware those children were not left just that night, but for 5 nights in a row? And that both McCanns had their backs to the apartment complex the night she went missing?

If your interest in this case is real, the Official Documents containing the details of the investigation, all the interviews, as well as the findings have been translated into English and are available on the internet.

Posting an opinion without being informed doesn't help the discussion.

[n/t]

They obviously feel that this man is worth looking at again and I can see why. He fits the description of a man seen that night carrying a young girl of Maddie's description and was only an hour's drive away and knew the hotel complex well. Sometimes police go back to potential suspects after eliminating them and thank goodness they do, because they have been proved right in doing this before in other cases.

The Portugese police have let Maddie and her family badly down IMO and they have had to take control themselves, because of this. Their attitude saying that Maddie is dead, etc, stinks. A body has never been found and I hope and pray that she is found soon. I know I would be doing everything in my power if it were me, so I can totally understand everything they are doing, as I am sure any other caring parents would IMO.


What description is that?

This: http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/EfitPortugalPA_468x574.jpg

I'll add the link just so you know I'm not making it up

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/EfitPortugalPA_468x574.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453724/Revealed-The-police-e-fit-Madeleines-abductor-thats-egg-parting.html&usg=__Qi4iGMiAKgH_333ehzIIiAHVMpE=&h=574&w=468&sz=35&hl=en&start=16&um=1&tbnid=1FDllmSI6o2-wM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=109&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmadeleine%2Bmccan%2Bsketch%26hl%3Den% 26rlz%3D1T4GGLD_enCA310CA310%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

This: http://origin.foxnews.com/images/318166/0_61_102607_mccann_sketch.jpg


This: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00038/maddie_main_0705_38044a.jpg

Did I miss any?

[n/t]

Eddie and Keela, the famous cadaver and blood dogs, were brought in at the request of the UK police because of their concerns with the McCanns and Tapas groups stories. The dogs were "handled" by a British dog handler under the supervision of both the UK and Portuguese police. There are photos in the official files to prove it.

To this day, the UK police have never refuted, privately or publicly, the findings of the Portugese police of Maddie being dead and her body removed from the apartment. And that there was no abductor. The PJ feel Maddie's death was accidental. The removal of her body is the issue and the theory is the McCanns were afraid of being charged and jailed for neglect, which started the immediate cover up.

How many of you are aware those children were not left just that night, but for 5 nights in a row? And that both McCanns had their backs to the apartment complex the night she went missing?

If your interest in this case is real, the Official Documents containing the details of the investigation, all the interviews, as well as the findings have been translated into English and are available on the internet.

Posting an opinion without being informed doesn't help the discussion.

That's why the threads were closed unlike what a person said earlier. Some posters came here without knowing the facts of the case and based their opinions on a Geraldo 30 minute segment or Oprah and then of course you have the British Tabloid papers. lol.

Here's one

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/maddie/2442649/Brit-child-rapist-suspect-in-Maddie-McCann-case.html

[lane99]

...To this day, the UK police have never refuted, privately or publicly, the findings of the Portugese police...

Posting an opinion without being informed doesn't help the discussion.

Unless you can explain to readers how it is you are personally privy to what the UK police are saying privately, you might want to consider taking your own advise.

[n/t]

Yup I have seen the photos and I do see the resemblance. It was dark so its difficult to judge someone's age in those circumstances, but I can understand why they want to question this man - I would want him questionned and TBH if he's on death's door he hasn't got much to lose has he. He is definitely worth speaking to, if only to rule out or otherwise as the case may be. Every lead is worth chasing in this case, even if it has been looked at before.

You're kidding right? About seeing a resemblance? :unsure:

Yah. Every lead is worth chasing. So far none have panned out. Eventually there won't be any left and we'll be left with one conclusion.

[annalyzer]

What description is that?

This: http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/EfitPortugalPA_468x574.jpg

I'll add the link just so you know I'm not making it up

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/EfitPortugalPA_468x574.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453724/Revealed-The-police-e-fit-Madeleines-abductor-thats-egg-parting.html&usg=__Qi4iGMiAKgH_333ehzIIiAHVMpE=&h=574&w=468&sz=35&hl=en&start=16&um=1&tbnid=1FDllmSI6o2-wM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=109&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmadeleine%2Bmccan%2Bsketch%26hl%3Den% 26rlz%3D1T4GGLD_enCA310CA310%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

This: http://origin.foxnews.com/images/318166/0_61_102607_mccann_sketch.jpg


This: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00038/maddie_main_0705_38044a.jpg

Did I miss any?

the buck toothed guy

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Madeleine-McCann-Sketch-Of-Suspect-Prompts-Dozens-Of-Calls/Article/20080131301473?lpos=Home_Article_Related_Content_R egion_2&lid=ARTICLE_1301473_Madeleine_McCann%3A_Sketch_Of_ Suspect_Prompts_Dozens_Of_Calls

[Pat]

Unless you can explain to readers how it is you are personally privy to what the UK police are saying privately, you might want to consider taking your own advise.

First of all, the word is "advice".

Secondly, "privately" in this context means "off the record", but their opinion makes it into the public sector in order to support the McCanns. It hasn't happened.

Now, instead of coming here to nit pick my verbiage, why don't you find and read the Official Documents, again...translated into English...so you can actually discuss this case rather than reducing the discussion to the meaning of the word "private" as I used it. TIA

[JD1974]

No I'm not kidding. Definitely worth a word with the man IMO. So far no leads have panned out, but now the British police are involved I am certain that things will happen. I know that Maddie's parents' investigators are looking at this man, but there is involvement with the British police as well. I hope and pray they find the person who abducted Maddie and that she is found safe and well.

NOW that the british police are involved? They have been involved!!!

[n/t]

Madeleine Investigation Turns To Farce

Raymond Hewlett, 64, agreed to meet the detectives - but they were already waiting to board a flight back to the UK.

They then refused to return to the hospital in Germany where he is being treated for cancer.

On Monday, the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell gave Hewlett an ultimatum to meet the investigators by this morning to "help clear his name".

Hewlett, a convicted paedophile, wheeled himself into the car park of the hospital in Aachen and told waiting reporters he would speak to the detectives.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Madeleine-McCann-Paedophile-Raymond-Hewlett-Denies-Involvement-In-Girls-Disappearance/Article/200905415288960?lpos=UK_News_News_Your_Way_Region_ 9&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15288960_Madeleine_McCann% 3A_Paedophile_Raymond_Hewlett_Denies_Involvement_I n_Girls_Disappearance



:lol: What a bunch of hooey!

[n/t]

Warrington police officer leading hunt for Madeleine McCann

Mr Edgar said: “In my experience random doesn’t happen. A passer-by doesn’t go in and pick up a child and take it. These things are planned. This offence happened in Praia da Luz. It's a very self-contained resort, and that's where I think the answer is."

http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/news/4396781.Former_town_detective_heading_up_Madeleine _Hunt/


Perhaps Mr. Edgar should be a little more careful on how he words things. I do agree with Mr. Edgar. It is a very self contained resort and that's exactly where the answer is. Good Luck!

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Nic99
No I'm not kidding. Definitely worth a word with the man IMO. So far no leads have panned out, but now the British police are involved I am certain that things will happen. I know that Maddie's parents' investigators are looking at this man, but there is involvement with the British police as well. I hope and pray they find the person who abducted Maddie and that she is found safe and well.

NOW that the british police are involved? They have been involved!!!

Obviously the poster you responded to knows nothing about the McCann case and cares nothing about finding out. :sneaky: Otherwise this poster would have been aware that the UK police and police officers from New Scotland Yard were not only involved, but were actually in Portugal, working with the PJ shortly after Maddie went missing.

It is also obvious that posts containing factual information which I've posted, which comes directly from the Office Files, is being ignored because it supports the fact the British Police were suspicious of the tale told by the entire group and asked the Portuguese police to let them bring over their dogs and handler. The report from Mr. Grimes is in the Office File (released and translated into English and available on the internet) and can be read by anyone who is interested.

I'm not wasting time on people who come to this thread to simply to argue when they obviously aren't interested in debating from a position of knowledge. The material in the Official Files can be debated, but first you've got to know what the material even says.

[Casspian]

Clarence Mitchell put this story out around midnight UK time Thursday night. PT knew about the guy and eliminated him early in the investigation. It is all in the files released by the Portuguese authorities last year when the McCann's arguido status was lifted.

The McCanns know this and Mitchell was backing off the story today. They still have Pimpleman and about 5 or more "suspects" to parade out. When the Pimpleman sketch was released earlier in the week, along with statements from witnesses whom the McCanns claimed saw him but were never questioned, the same thing happened. Enterprising bloggers went into the officials files and found every witness was questioned and suspects run down. The McCann's problem is they keep forgetting the official files were distributed all over the internet and translated. They can come out with these outrageous claims, but can't stick with them because bloggers immediately quote chapter and verse to dispute them.

You all do realize, don't you, that the McCanns could have requested the case be kept open? They had until Sept 21, 2008 (if I recall the exact date correctly) to officially request the case be kept open by the Portuguese authorities and they just let it slide on by. Now they are outraged at having to "search on their own". Their hubris is breath-taking.

Pat... thanks for the information. Well, that all stinks to highh heaven. So the guyt= was already known and investigated. The McCann's didn't file to keep the case open???? :confused:

[Casspian]

Madeleine Investigation Turns To Farce

Raymond Hewlett, 64, agreed to meet the detectives - but they were already waiting to board a flight back to the UK.

They then refused to return to the hospital in Germany where he is being treated for cancer.

On Monday, the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell gave Hewlett an ultimatum to meet the investigators by this morning to "help clear his name".

Hewlett, a convicted paedophile, wheeled himself into the car park of the hospital in Aachen and told waiting reporters he would speak to the detectives.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Madeleine-McCann-Paedophile-Raymond-Hewlett-Denies-Involvement-In-Girls-Disappearance/Article/200905415288960?lpos=UK_News_News_Your_Way_Region_ 9&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15288960_Madeleine_McCann% 3A_Paedophile_Raymond_Hewlett_Denies_Involvement_I n_Girls_Disappearance



:lol: What a bunch of hooey!


Gave him an ultimatum? Geez, like what? Sounds like this bordered on harassment.

[JD1974]

Obviously the poster you responded to knows nothing about the McCann case and cares nothing about finding out. :sneaky: Otherwise this poster would have been aware that the UK police and police officers from New Scotland Yard were not only involved, but were actually in Portugal, working with the PJ shortly after Maddie went missing.

It is also obvious that posts containing factual information which I've posted, which comes directly from the Office Files, is being ignored because it supports the fact the British Police were suspicious of the tale told by the entire group and asked the Portuguese police to let them bring over their dogs and handler. The report from Mr. Grimes is in the Office File (released and translated into English and available on the internet) and can be read by anyone who is interested.

I'm not wasting time on people who come to this thread to simply to argue when they obviously aren't interested in debating from a position of knowledge. The material in the Official Files can be debated, but first you've got to know what the material even says.


ITA Pat! When the official PJ report came out I remember waiting days sometimes for the translations to come online. I studied them for weeks...no one wants to argue what is in the official files because imo it doesn't look good for certain people. I am sure I don't have to name names :)

[JD1974]

Oh wow so they are already moving on to another pedophile who lives 500 yards from the resort.. that was fairly quick!

[lane99]

First of all, the word is "advice".

Secondly, "privately" in this context means "off the record", but their opinion makes it into the public sector in order to support the McCanns. It hasn't happened.

Now, instead of coming here to nit pick my verbiage...

Haha, you're a riot: Not only did I not "nit pick" your veribiage. But you nitpicked mine. I guess you didn't get the memo that correcting people on minor typos in lieu of a coherent argument is about as trollish as behaviour gets on a internet message board.

But, granted, it's hard to argue with such brilliance as yours. To whit: The UK police have never "refuted" the Portuguese report, and, ipso facto, that must mean they agree with every aspect of it.

That's right up there with the other genius (or, if this was also you, forgive me for not giving credit where credit is due) who said the cat was out of the bag as soon as the poor mother came running out of the room screaming that someone had taken her child. Oh, yes, of course, what a "peculiar" reaction that was, eh?

Bottom line here is that those aspects of the case that are irrefuttable (please check my spelling for me, thanks) indicate an abuduction was the most likely.

Those aspects which are open to question will continue to provide, apparently, weeks of reading entertainment for the lunatic fringe as well as the opportunity for the occasional disgraced sleazebag ex-cop to try and fatten his bank account off such a tragedy as this.

[Casspian]

Oh wow so they are already moving on to another pedophile who lives 500 yards from the resort.. that was fairly quick!

So, this is not the current person who is dying? Anyone who has looked up sex offenders on their local map realizes just how many there are. I know that's not necessarily pedophiles, but this could go on forever given that within an hour of the resort there must be, what, hundreds?

[JD1974]

So, this is not the current person who is dying? Anyone who has looked up sex offenders on their local map realizes just how many there are. I know that's not necessarily pedophiles, but this could go on forever given that within an hour of the resort there must be, what, hundreds?

They have already moved on to another suspect who lives 500 yards away from the apt. I am curious why it took so long to find this suspect, he has been living there all along....

[JD1974]

ITA with your whole post Bugout, I have gotten so much ire towards me for stating the same thing almost from the beginning!

[n/t]

Not sure if the Daily Record is a tabloid or not.....anyways they're reporting that Brian Kennedy is pulling funding for their PR guy - Clarence Mitchell.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2009/06/08/tycoon-stops-mccanns-pr-man-s-wages-86908-21423897/

[Nic99]

Haha, you're a riot: Not only did I not "nit pick" your veribiage. But you nitpicked mine. I guess you didn't get the memo that correcting people on minor typos in lieu of a coherent argument is about as trollish as behaviour gets on a internet message board.

But, granted, it's hard to argue with such brilliance as yours. To whit: The UK police have never "refuted" the Portuguese report, and, ipso facto, that must mean they agree with every aspect of it.

That's right up there with the other genius (or, if this was also you, forgive me for not giving credit where credit is due) who said the cat was out of the bag as soon as the poor mother came running out of the room screaming that someone had taken her child. Oh, yes, of course, what a "peculiar" reaction that was, eh?

Bottom line here is that those aspects of the case that are irrefuttable (please check my spelling for me, thanks) indicate an abuduction was the most likely.

Those aspects which are open to question will continue to provide, apparently, weeks of reading entertainment for the lunatic fringe as well as the opportunity for the occasional disgraced sleazebag ex-cop to try and fatten his bank account off such a tragedy as this.

Well said:thumbup: In response to my post and not apparently knowing the British police were involved from the start. Actually I did know that, but it was the Portugese police who were the main investigators, with help from the Brits. Now the Brits are fully responsible and things should get moving. I know that this horrible paedophile was considered and then rejected from the investigations, as many others were, but often the police then return to former suspects and find their man/woman!

I believe he is definitely worth looking at again and I don't believe the McCanns are guilty of anything. Just because they give the British stiff upper lip, does not mean behind closed doors they are not breaking down.

jmo

Nic

[kayemm]

A book claiming Madeleine McCann was dead, which has now been banned, caused "incredible distress" to her family, her father has said.

Madeleine McCann as she looked when she disappeared

The banned book claims that there is evidence Madeleine is dead

A judge ordered an end to the sale of the book by a former investigating police officer in the case, Goncalo Amaral.

Gerry McCann said he was "pleased" with the judge's decision and insisted there was no evidence that his daughter had died.

In a statement, he said: "To claim, as he (Amaral) did, that Madeleine is dead and that we, as her parents, were somehow involved in her disappearance has caused our family incredible distress and continues to do so.

"Without doubt, Madeleine will have suffered as a result of the negative effect this effect this book and DVD will have had on the search for her."

The statement also said: "Mr Amaral's central thesis has no evidence whatsoever to support it."

Mr McCann added that Madeleine's brother and sister, twins Sean and Amelie, needed protection from "such awful claims".

Goncalo Amaral

Goncalo Amaral

He said: "I think there's a lot of people in Portugal, and further afield, who believe there is evidence that Madeleine is dead and if people believe that they won't search for her.

"And they may have information and they may not come forward with that information, and we know for a fact that people have been told that - that Madeleine is dead.

"There is no evidence to support that, and that is unforgiveable."

A judge at Lisbon's main civil court banned any further publication and sale of The Truth Of The Lie by Goncalo Amaral.

He claimed the girl was dead and said he did not believe her parents' account that Madeleine was taken while they were eating with friends nearby.

Mr Amaral worked on the investigation into the three-year-old's disappearance from an apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007 during a family holiday.

He was removed from the investigation after criticising British police.

The injunction, granted following a hearing last week, means he has to ensure all unsold copies of the book are removed from shops and warehouses across Europe.

If he fails to do so he faces a fine of £877 a day.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Madeleine-McCann-Book-The-Truth-Of-The-Lie-by-Goncalo-Amaral-Is-Banned-By-A-Portugese-Judge/Article/200909215378231?lid=ARTICLE_15378231_MadeleineMcCa nnBook,TheTruthOfTheLie,byGoncaloAmaralIsBannedByA PortugeseJudge&amp;lpos=searchresults

This was the book written by the detective who was removed from the case 5 months in after a series of problems, he has been shooting his mouth off, making a small fortune for himself in between court cases, currently he is appealing his conviction for maintaining false records in the case of another missing child, never found. Anyway he wrote a book and made a documentary that appeared to be based more on fantasy than fact and a judge has finally stopped him.

Best of luck to the McCanns in their continued search for their daughter.