Christopher Coleman (Arrested)

[forensicpsy~]

Hi all!

Looks like the Coleman Board is locked for the weekend.

Happy Memorial Day!

For Sheri and the boys - RIP

[PROPROS]

Hi all!

Looks like the Coleman Board is locked for the weekend.

Happy Memorial Day!

For Sheri and the boys - RIPHappy Memorial Day to you to friend...So glad this monster that was called a husband and father is arrested and locked up....mo

[MiamiNice1]

Isn't Christopher Coleman a dead ringer for Mark Hacking???

[dkny]

Isn't Christopher Coleman a dead ringer for Mark Hacking???

ITA, that is the first thing I thought of when I saw his face.. JMO

[PROPROS]

Isn't Christopher Coleman a dead ringer for Mark Hacking???Yes Miami, he sure is...,Unfortunately, in more ways than just his looks...mo

[Scampi]

Isn't Christopher Coleman a dead ringer for Mark Hacking???

Yes. Too bad neither him nor his family have taken the honorable way out of this, imo.

[MiamiNice1]

Yes! I think you're right.
I hope that Christopher Coleman's Christian upbringing (pastor father)and career with the Joyce Meyer ministries will weigh upon his conscience for a confession.

[MiamiNice1]

Yes. Too bad neither him nor his family have taken the honorable way out of this, imo.
I'm thinking after the shock wears off, his family will put pressure on him.

[NatalieB]

Isn't Christopher Coleman a dead ringer for Mark Hacking???

I thought the exact same thing.

[MiamiNice1]

ITA, that is the first thing I thought of when I saw his face.. JMO
Creepy, isn't it? His "calm" demeanor also unnerves me.

[NatalieB]

I had posted this on the other board.

"Child Sex Abuser Quits Meyer Ministry"



http://www.rickross.com/reference/meyer/meyer11.html

I checked and found him in the Illinois sex offender registry. He is back in prison.

Some ministry. This is just ridiculous. They switched their policy to not hire sexual predators? Well hello, shouldn't that have been in the clause from day 1?

I hope and feel this ministry is going to suffer some backlash for all this. Rightfully so with these policies, IMO.

[MiamiNice1]

Yes Miami, he sure is...,Unfortunately, in more ways than just his looks...mo
Hiya ProPros!!

It seems these type of killings are on the rise! It is so paradoxical!

In his case, not only do I believe he was avoiding monetary support for his family, but he, like Scott Peterson, was also trying to keep up (good guy) "appearances" before Joyce Meyer and his family and not divorcing. He would never be able to explain he was having an affair, thus his desire for a divorce.

So they just KILL instead! :cursing:

[MiamiNice1]

I know but I'm having my doubts about Joyce Meyer and what "qualifications" you need to work there. Pastor Richard was a registered sex offender and worked with kids. :ohmy:

So far, just what we know. she hired a sex offender pedophile and an alleged murderer.


imo
I didn't even know what to think when I read your link! Being a victim of abuse, it would seem this would be the LAST kind of person Joyce Meyer would think to hire!

[MiamiNice1]

I thought the exact same thing.
Thankfully they were both caught, being the "amateur" killers that they are!

[Shells2]

I think to use this case to trash Joyce Meyer ministries is a travesty.

[NatalieB]

I think to use this case to trash Joyce Meyer ministries is a travesty.

She hired a registered sex offender. He was found guilty of molesting 2 boys when he was the minister of his own church (which no longer exists).

That is reason enough to trash the ministry. No one is blaming them because of what Christopher Coleman did.

[MissElainyS]

Isn't Christopher Coleman a dead ringer for Mark Hacking???

Yes. And this guy makes me laugh. The way he staged the house with the helter skelter writing in red paint on the walls, I swear he got it right out of a 1950's who done it plot. As if the cops would not be able to put two and two together with the well check phone call placed right after he murdered them and he could keep the affair under wraps? I hope they fry his fat behind.

[NatalieB]

Yes. And this guy makes me laugh. The way he staged the house with the helter skelter writing in red paint on the walls, I swear he got it right out of a 1950's who done it plot. As if the cops would not be able to put two and two together with the well check phone call placed right after he murdered them and he could keep the affair under wraps? I hope they fry his fat behind.

We'll have to wait and see how it plays out, but I won't be shocked if video of him purchasing the paint from Home Depot the day before he killed his family isn't presented at trial. This guy just isn't very smart at all.

[Shells2]

She hired a registered sex offender. He was found guilty of molesting 2 boys when he was the minister of his own church (which no longer exists).

That is reason enough to trash the ministry. No one is blaming them because of what Christopher Coleman did.

What does that have to do with this case? Why is it even brought up?

[CC I See]

What does that have to do with this case? Why is it even brought up?

I am in agreement with you about this. What Joyce Meyer did or did not do regarding her ministry has no place here. When she hired Chris Coleman he was not an alleged killer, once he became a suspect, he was terminated.

[PROPROS]

Hiya ProPros!!

It seems these type of killings are on the rise! It is so paradoxical!

In his case, not only do I believe he was avoiding monetary support for his family, but he, like Scott Peterson, was also trying to keep up (good guy) "appearances" before Joyce Meyer and his family and not divorcing. He would never be able to explain he was having an affair, thus his desire for a divorce.

So they just KILL instead! :cursing:What always surprises me are the way the family members react in regards to the killers...Look at The Anthonys,Petersons, Entwhistles, also seems this guy has parents supporting him...I must say the Hacking Family handled the tragedy with so much sympathy and grace..mo

[Shells2]

Because by working at the ministry, Coleman gave the appearance of being a decent guy. But the ministry apparently didn't care about who it was hiring. Maybe he also had some things in his background that were ignored.


imo

Most people who kill have jobs.

I just don't think it has anything to do with it.

[Shells2]

I am in agreement with you about this. What Joyce Meyer did or did not do regarding her ministry has no place here. When she hired Chris Coleman he was not an alleged killer, once he became a suspect, he was terminated.


Exactly! That is all I was trying to say.

[MissElainyS]

We'll have to wait and see how it plays out, but I won't be shocked if video of him purchasing the paint from Home Depot the day before he killed his family isn't presented at trial. This guy just isn't very smart at all.

From what I have read, not too many criminals are very smart at all- they just THINK they are. It must take a unique personality to pull off a murder and think that you will get away with it. I am not talking about an impulse killer like a serial murderer, but these men and women who plan very carefully to off their spouses and then go out of their way with these elaborate steps to cover their tracks. They almost always leave something behind or forget something or end up staging the scene a bit too far fetched or fake. LE always sees through it.

[airportwoman]

I didn't even know what to think when I read your link! Being a victim of abuse, it would seem this would be the LAST kind of person Joyce Meyer would think to hire!

She may have had little or nothing to do with his hiring; this may have been done by a separate department. JMHO.

[bkwits]

What always surprises me are the way the family members react in regards to the killers...Look at The Anthonys,Petersons, Entwhistles, also seems this guy has parents supporting him...I must say the Hacking Family handled the tragedy with so much sympathy and grace..mo


Is there a proper etiquette on how the parents of a accused family killer should act? :confused:

I don't believe any parent knows what he or she would do at this point in the drama. I would be in total shock myself.

IMO

[bkwits]

From what I have read, not too many criminals are very smart at all- they just THINK they are. It must take a unique personality to pull off a murder and think that you will get away with it. I am not talking about an impulse killer like a serial murderer, but these men and women who plan very carefully to off their spouses and then go out of their way with these elaborate steps to cover their tracks. They almost always leave something behind or forget something or end up staging the scene a bit too far fetched or fake. LE always sees through it.

Or they are very lucky. IMO

[NatalieB]

She may have had little or nothing to do with his hiring; this may have been done by a separate department. JMHO.

This may well be the case, and if so, it's my opinion that anyone who thought it ok to hire this man (who does indeed work around the youth) should be terminated too.

[Musterion]

Hi all!

Looks like the Coleman Board is locked for the weekend.

Happy Memorial Day!

For Sheri and the boys - RIP

Well, thank you, forensicpsy, for the thread!!!

Happy Memorial Day!

M.

[Musterion]

"Donald Weiss of Clearwater didn't get much reaction when he comforted his son-in-law at the funeral of Weiss' daughter and her two young sons. The three were murdered earlier this month in their home in Illinois.

I consoled him several times during the services and didn't get much of a response at all, just a teary-eyed stare" Weiss said. "He never looked me in the eye."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1003201.ece

Beautiful picture of Sheri and her boys. I don't think the three of them could take a bad picture!

IMO.
M.

[PROPROS]

Is there a proper etiquette on how the parents of a accused family killer should act? :confused:

I don't believe any parent knows what he or she would do at this point in the drama. I would be in total shock myself.

IMOI can only speak for myself...If a member of my own family,killed another family member, I would have a problem with supporting them to the extent of continually calling them innocent!! Especially, if they had been convicted in a court of law...These men (with the exception of Casey Anthony) not only killed their wives,they murdered their own children.mo

[MiamiNice1]

She may have had little or nothing to do with his hiring; this may have been done by a separate department. JMHO.
Whoever did the hiring......what were they thinking?? They HAD to know Joyce Meyer's background. Also, WHY would this hiring be acceptable, even if Joyce Meyer did not have the background?

Placing that man with young, vulnerable children was beyond deplorable!

imo

[MiamiNice1]

Yes. And this guy makes me laugh. The way he staged the house with the helter skelter writing in red paint on the walls, I swear he got it right out of a 1950's who done it plot. As if the cops would not be able to put two and two together with the well check phone call placed right after he murdered them and he could keep the affair under wraps? I hope they fry his fat behind.
The stupidity of his entire plan leaves me shaking my head! Not to mention the fact of how cold-blooded can you be to strangle your own 2 children?? The whole thing defies belief.

[MiamiNice1]

What always surprises me are the way the family members react in regards to the killers...Look at The Anthonys,Petersons, Entwhistles, also seems this guy has parents supporting him...I must say the Hacking Family handled the tragedy with so much sympathy and grace..mo
You know, I never want to make these kind of judgments....but I DO know what I would NOT do! The families you've listed and their enabling behaviors only confirm why their particular family member turned out the way they did.

There are so MANY other families who manage to survive this horror, still maintain their dignity and garner sympathy for their plight. The Dahmers, The UniBomber family, The Hackings......just to name a few off the top of my head.

Thankfully - I believe them to be in the majority.

I wonder into which category the Coleman family will fall?

imo

[PROPROS]

Whoever did the hiring......what were they thinking?? They HAD to know Joyce Meyer's background. Also, WHY would this hiring be acceptable, even if Joyce Meyer did not have the background?

Placing that man with young, vulnerable children was beyond deplorable!

imoITA, A sexual predator should never be in a position to be around children period...mo

[MissElainyS]

The stupidity of his entire plan leaves me shaking my head! Not to mention the fact of how cold-blooded can you be to strangle your own 2 children?? The whole thing defies belief.

Yep, you said it! The one thing that is going to nail him to the wall is the time of death which puts him in the house at the time of the deaths. Anyone know if he took out insurance policies on the family members?

[sunstar]

Some ministry. This is just ridiculous. They switched their policy to not hire sexual predators? Well hello, shouldn't that have been in the clause from day 1?

I hope and feel this ministry is going to suffer some backlash for all this. Rightfully so with these policies, IMO.

Some of this stuff going on with the ministry gives CC's "threats" more legitimacy and might be where he got the idea. MOO

[bkwits]

I hope that Christopher Coleman's Christian upbringing (pastor father)and career with the Joyce Meyer ministries will weigh upon his conscience for a confession.


If Coleman had a conscience he could never have done this horrible thing, never. It appears that he planned it for quite a while. He actual put a cord or something around each of his young son's neck and twisted it until he died. Nope no conscience in Chris. He is a narcissistic sociopath, IMO. I'm sure he felt justified in what he did.

IMO

[bkwits]

Some ministry. This is just ridiculous. They switched their policy to not hire sexual predators? Well hello, shouldn't that have been in the clause from day 1?

I hope and feel this ministry is going to suffer some backlash for all this. Rightfully so with these policies, IMO.

Christian Redemption -- The belief of being reborn in Christ, starting over, etc. While I believe in second chances and redemption, I also know that one of the highest recidivism rates in criminal justice is that of child sex offenders. It would have been okay to help him get a job in a warehouse or somewhere where he would never interact with children, but to bring him into the church was a big mistake, IMO. They should use common sense and protect the children first.

IMO

[Musterion]

http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/Jobs/

"All positions at Joyce Meyer Ministries require mature Christians who are faithful in their church attendance.

Salaries will be commensurate with education and experience. All full-time positions have great benefits, including full family medical, dental and vision insurance for employees and their immediate family. We also provide life insurance, disability insurance, paid vacations, personal time, matching retirement funds and yearly reviews to full-time employees."

IMO.
M.

[Jester]

I am in agreement with you about this. What Joyce Meyer did or did not do regarding her ministry has no place here. When she hired Chris Coleman he was not an alleged killer, once he became a suspect, he was terminated.

It does suggest that the ministries organization needs to do a better job of profiling desirable qualities in potential employees. Evidently, their former hiring methods did not screen out sex offenders and those capable of murder.

[MiamiNice1]

Yep, you said it! The one thing that is going to nail him to the wall is the time of death which puts him in the house at the time of the deaths. Anyone know if he took out insurance policies on the family members?
Last night I heard on Nancy Grace that Dr. Michael Baden put the time of death between 3am-5am. I wish they had used someone else besides Baden for this, as Baden, IMO, has lost a LOT of credibility.

Good question about the life insurance - I don't know. But to me, Coleman's main priority was coming out of this smelling like a rose - Grieving father/husband. Ugh!

imo

[aproudmom]

She hired a registered sex offender. He was found guilty of molesting 2 boys when he was the minister of his own church (which no longer exists).

That is reason enough to trash the ministry. No one is blaming them because of what Christopher Coleman did.

:ohmy:omg he was hired after..OK did they not do background checks fgs

[aproudmom]

Last night I heard on Nancy Grace that Dr. Michael Baden put the time of death between 3am-5am. I wish they had used someone else besides Baden for this, as Baden, IMO, has lost a LOT of credibility.

Good question about the life insurance - I don't know. But to me, Coleman's main priority was coming out of this smelling like a rose - Grieving father/husband. Ugh!

imo

Dr. Perper seemed to think there was no way to pin point it down to those hours he said something about there was no testing of something behind the eyeball or eyelid can not remember what it was but helps to narrow down a time..he pretty much said there is no way Dr. B could say that time was 100% true..IIRC someone said they thought they heard screams at 3am then he left around 5 something so if true they could also be using that time I have never heard of then giving a 2 hour time of death but I could be wrong..unless someone confessed which don't think that will happen

[Amy]

Because by working at the ministry, Coleman gave the appearance of being a decent guy. But the ministry apparently didn't care about who it was hiring. Maybe he also had some things in his background that were ignored.


imo

From all I have read, it seems there was nothing in CC's background that would have put them on alert he wasn't a nice guy. His neighbors all like him, saw him as a good family man, an honest, law-abiding citizen. If he had no record of arrests or convictions of anything, what would they have looked @ to deny him a job? Even if he had a pack of traffic tickets, that wouldn't have been a reason not to hire him.

[Amy]

What always surprises me are the way the family members react in regards to the killers...Look at The Anthonys,Petersons, Entwhistles, also seems this guy has parents supporting him...I must say the Hacking Family handled the tragedy with so much sympathy and grace..mo


So far, the Coleman family has been showing class--they are not in front of tv cameras or on the NG or LKL shows every night defending their son's actions, or denying them. The Colemans haven't "reacted" in any manner yet. I suppose they are probably still in shock about their son being arrested, trying to figure it all out.

For all we know, they just might have been doing what the Hacking family did--he was in their home since the murders, if they suspected he was involved, they might have been counseling him to turn himself in. Or, maybe not, but @ least they aren't ranting and raving in the news every day.

[MiamiNice1]

Dr. Perper seemed to think there was no way to pin point it down to those hours he said something about there was no testing of something behind the eyeball or eyelid can not remember what it was but helps to narrow down a time..he pretty much said there is no way Dr. B could say that time was 100% true..IIRC someone said they thought they heard screams at 3am then he left around 5 something so if true they could also be using that time I have never heard of then giving a 2 hour time of death but I could be wrong..unless someone confessed which don't think that will happen
AH yes, you are right.....I forgot about Dr. Perper's comments! True about the liquid behind the eyeball. I'm so glad he was calling Baden's info into question. You're right, also, about the screams at 3am.

I believe Coleman was on security camera at 5:43am leaving their development. Another mistake by Coleman - he himself gave a very narrow timeline as to when all this activity took place.

imo

[Amy]

This may well be the case, and if so, it's my opinion that anyone who thought it ok to hire this man (who does indeed work around the youth) should be terminated too.

There was an article (somewhere in today's posts) that said the ministry does hire people who have seem to have made a turn in their lives, giving them an opportunity to become productive members of society (paraphrased) and this guy came under that category. The ministry's spokesperson told the reporter this.

[darcie]

Is there a proper etiquette on how the parents of a accused family killer should act? :confused:

I don't believe any parent knows what he or she would do at this point in the drama. I would be in total shock myself.

IMO

I agree, no one really knows how this would affect you as a parent. I sit here and think...no matter what, I would be reaching out to Sheri's family. They might not want anything to do with me, but i would be still reaching out. Especially when they first discovered discovered the death of the family sure. THAT is the part I don't understand. I can see after his arrest them kinda shying away from her family, but not at the initial start. That part floors me, and I would hope that I would have at least reached out to them initially. And I'll say that with him being a preacher, that I am kinda surpirsed at their reaction.

With that being said, I know that just because the coleman's are obviously religious people, with him being a preacher and all, they are still human. I guess I would expect more from a preacher. Whether that is right or wrong of me to think that way, I am unsure, but if I was a member of their congregation, I would be thinking twice about their reaction.

MOO

[Ice Cycle]

From all I have read, it seems there was nothing in CC's background that would have put them on alert he wasn't a nice guy. His neighbors all like him, saw him as a good family man, an honest, law-abiding citizen. If he had no record of arrests or convictions of anything, what would they have looked @ to deny him a job? Even if he had a pack of traffic tickets, that wouldn't have been a reason not to hire him.

Yes I think it is obvious that these preps are very capable of hiding their evil ways (at least to the extent of this), even to their own families.

[NatalieB]

It's seems the murderers do not follow crime cases, or else they would know, cell phones and computers, surveillence camera's can put you in prison. JMO

Well, his family hasn't visited him in jail, have they (maybe they have an I missed it)? I thought after all video was released in the Anthony case, it was maybe what keeps them from visiting. It's speculation of course.

Of course, his family hasn't harmed anyone. I'm wondering if he asked them not to come though?

[NatalieB]

Christian Redemption -- The belief of being reborn in Christ, starting over, etc. While I believe in second chances and redemption, I also know that one of the highest recidivism rates in criminal justice is that of child sex offenders. It would have been okay to help him get a job in a warehouse or somewhere where he would never interact with children, but to bring him into the church was a big mistake, IMO. They should use common sense and protect the children first.

IMO

I agree with you completely, but Christian redemption? This man was a minister at the time he assaulted those boys. He was supposedly redeemed by that point.

With that background, it makes me angrier that this ministry would hire him. It's not like he found Christ while incarcerated. Christ was supposed to be in his life before he harmed those boys. Some Christian, IMO.

[NatalieB]

Dr. Perper seemed to think there was no way to pin point it down to those hours he said something about there was no testing of something behind the eyeball or eyelid can not remember what it was but helps to narrow down a time..he pretty much said there is no way Dr. B could say that time was 100% true..IIRC someone said they thought they heard screams at 3am then he left around 5 something so if true they could also be using that time I have never heard of then giving a 2 hour time of death but I could be wrong..unless someone confessed which don't think that will happen

I saw Dr. Perper saying that as well.

This is not an exact science, but it's the best that can be done today to come up with an estimate. CC said he left that house about 1 hour before he phoned LE. If the murders occurred during that time, the bodies would still be warm to the touch. It's not exact, but it's also not meaningless that death wasn't stated to be closer for the opportunity for a SODD defense. It's definitely going to be an point of argument for the experts at trial. The jurors will be the fact finders.

Some day when you have nothing to do, research John Belushi's death and see what was done to determine his time of death. It's about the most elaborate case that I've ever read about (where TOD is concerned). They were able to establish that Cathy Smith was indeed involved in his death and she was charged with murder 1. She'd later accept a plea deal, but that's beside the point.

One thing to keep in mind is, the way the body cools is not the same across the board. There are ranges however that one can expect. In warmer areas, about 3/4 to 1 degree per hour is expected. If it's colder, 1.5 degrees per hour would be more accurate. This isn't exact, but there is a range. For example, the body would not cool 15 degrees in 1 hour in a heated home no matter what. Temperature is one of the first things LE does upon arriving at a crime scene (temp is taken from the rectum because they're not looking for surface temperatures which would be less). So, if the body temps were say, 93 degrees, there is no way they were killed within the hour. That much science can tell us factually.

There are also other factors (rigor, lividity, and even stomach content -doubt that will help in this case) also play a huge part in trying to establish TOD. If all fall in line with a certain time, it would be pretty hard to combat it at trial (though I realize it will be attempted).

[NatalieB]

There was an article (somewhere in today's posts) that said the ministry does hire people who have seem to have made a turn in their lives, giving them an opportunity to become productive members of society (paraphrased) and this guy came under that category. The ministry's spokesperson told the reporter this.

And you find this to be acceptable? I'm not accusing, but rather, asking?

This man supposedly had God in his life as he was the minister of his own church. Given that at the bottom line, how can anyone be certain he's changed? It is NOT acceptable to hire him for any position that would enable him to be around innocent children.

[NatalieB]

I agree. It was Joyce who was getting death threats, actually. And since he was her security he knew all about it.

Was he the Chief of Security? Some articles say he was. Because I read that the security chief lives rent free in a house near the ministry.



imo

It's just a guess, but I'd have to say no. Someone posted a bit ago that the taxes were paid for the past several years under the names Christopher and Sheri Coleman. In I think '08, it was only in his name.

I'd think someone living rent free wouldn't have the house in their own names.

[janesdeaan]

What does that have to do with this case? Why is it even brought up?

I think some people think it could possibly back up Coleman's claim he was receiving death threats in the mail (due to Joyce Meyer Ministries having hired a known sex offender). I am sure Coleman's "threats" will be found to be at his own hand, in order to build motive (in his warped mind).

[janesdeaan]

So far, the Coleman family has been showing class--they are not in front of tv cameras or on the NG or LKL shows every night defending their son's actions, or denying them. The Colemans haven't "reacted" in any manner yet. I suppose they are probably still in shock about their son being arrested, trying to figure it all out.

For all we know, they just might have been doing what the Hacking family did--he was in their home since the murders, if they suspected he was involved, they might have been counseling him to turn himself in. Or, maybe not, but @ least they aren't ranting and raving in the news every day.

I thought I read that the Coleman's (CC's parents) were at the house emptying out Sherri and the boy's belongings, no mention of them giving anything to Sherri's family ! And, for them to go along with CC's decision to try and keep her family from having their own service was disgusting, not to mention none of the Coleman's informed Sherri's family of the murders for two days. They don't seem to be to Christian-like in their behavior, IMO.

[janesdeaan]

And you find this to be acceptable? I'm not accusing, but rather, asking?

This man supposedly had God in his life as he was the minister of his own church. Given that at the bottom line, how can anyone be certain he's changed? It is NOT acceptable to hire him for any position that would enable him to be around innocent children.

I agree, especially when it looks like he used parishioners trust because he was a minister to get to their children. Disgusting, to say the least.
For that reason, he should NEVER be allowed to minister at any church, anywhere ever again.

[bkwits]

I agree, especially when it looks like he used parishioners trust because he was a minister to get to their children. Disgusting, to say the least.
For that reason, he should NEVER be allowed to minister at any church, anywhere ever again.

As I understand it, he was hired to be a telephone operator and just sort of worked his way into their trust and ended up working with teenagers.

JMM was well aware of his background. They chose to give him a chance. But they didn't adequately protect their parishioners, IMO. He should never have been given a job in the minstry or the church. These guys hardly ever change. Technically this guy is not a pedophile because he targets pubesecant boys (he seems to favor 14 y.o.). There is another long word for that. It is certainly more difficult for parents to monitor the activities of young teenage boys when they are with a goup and an authority figure. Boys of this age will seldom tell of an inappropriate action of a sexual nature. They are too embarrassed by their emerging sexual feelings.

Now these offenders can be very nice people on the surface and maybe are nice in every other way. I had a business relationship with a man who I thought was the most honest, respectable, nicest guy. He was a pleasure to do business with. He was respected by all in our business community. I was shocked when he was arrested and jailed for a sexual offense against a 14 year old boy. He had had a previous incident so he was incarcerated. He was a 40 something divorced man with a teen age daughter. I believe he is still on the sex offender list. But he got out of prison.

IMO

[amb40]

Can Sheri's family take the Coleman family to court being a civil matter for Sheri and her son's personal items????


Sickens me to think the Colemans stand by their son and wont SHARE anything with the poor girl's family who GOT KILLED. I hope this disgusting guy frys.

What was he thinking? Red spray paint?? on the wall? What a redneck moron.:w00t: WHy do these looney men think they won't get caught??

[Amy]

And you find this to be acceptable? I'm not accusing, but rather, asking?

This man supposedly had God in his life as he was the minister of his own church. Given that at the bottom line, how can anyone be certain he's changed? It is NOT acceptable to hire him for any position that would enable him to be around innocent children.

No, because of the research that indicates that the leopard does not change his spots.

My post was in response to those who were saying that JMM did not check into the background of those they hire, if they had, he surely would not have been hired (the pastor.) The pastor was, in fact, hired BECAUSE of his background, and of the ministries (JM) desire to give someone who appeared to have changed a chance.

[sunstar]

Last night I heard on Nancy Grace that Dr. Michael Baden put the time of death between 3am-5am. I wish they had used someone else besides Baden for this, as Baden, IMO, has lost a LOT of credibility.

Good question about the life insurance - I don't know. But to me, Coleman's main priority was coming out of this smelling like a rose - Grieving father/husband. Ugh!

imo

IIRC, Dr. Baden's statement actually was "sometime before 3am and no later than 5am" and Nancy changed it to "3am-5am". Unfortunately I can't find his exact quote right now. :sad:

[sunstar]

I agree. It was Joyce who was getting death threats, actually. And since he was her security he knew all about it.

Was he the Chief of Security? Some articles say he was. Because I read that the security chief lives rent free in a house near the ministry.



imo
Yes, and he probably used any problems at the ministry to his own advantage in making up the "threats" on his family. I don't think he was the Chief of Security though. MOO

[NatalieB]

IIRC, Dr. Baden's statement actually was "sometime before 3am and no later than 5am" and Nancy changed it to "3am-5am". Unfortunately I can't find his exact quote right now. :sad:

I didn't see that, but if Baden is saying 3 AM, the body temp had likely dropped 4 degrees or so. I can't see any expert getting away with saying they were killed within the hour CC was gone from the home with a 4 degree discrepancy. That alone should fry him, IMO.

I'd love to see a copy of the autopsy reports.

I've been thinking about it quite a bit and I see CC killing Sheri first, then Garett, and finally, Gavin. I'd think he'd take them out in the order in which they'd be a threat. Visualizing it sure makes it that much more real. :(

It takes several minutes to strangle someone to death. This is not an exact science either (since we can't run experiments LOL), but I think it's safe to say that he'd have to be applying the force for at minimal, 5 minutes each. Only a monster could pull that off 3 times. I could certainly do it to protect my children, but never to harm them. He's a breed of his own, IMO.

[MiamiNice1]

IIRC, Dr. Baden's statement actually was "sometime before 3am and no later than 5am" and Nancy changed it to "3am-5am". Unfortunately I can't find his exact quote right now. :sad:
I got that time frame from the Nancy Grace show where there are the scrolling headlines (down at the bottom) and it plays 1,000 times throughout her show. This is where it kept showing "Dr. Michael Baden places the time of death between 3am-5am."

Then again, Nancy does get things wrong.......:shrug:

[CC I See]

:ohmy:omg he was hired after..OK did they not do background checks fgs

I guess Joyce Meyer is a firm believer in forgiveness and practices what her faith teaches. Hate the sin but love the sinner. As for not knowing about his past, we don't know if she did or she didn't.

Maybe since Chris Coleman's was in security his job might have been to do a background check of this man before he was hired and he didn't do a very good job. He might have been a little distracted trying to plan the alleged murder of his family. :confused:

[CC I See]

I got that time frame from the Nancy Grace show where there are the scrolling headlines (down at the bottom) and it plays 1,000 times throughout her show. This is where it kept showing "Dr. Michael Baden places the time of death between 3am-5am." Then again, Nancy does get things wrong.......:shrug:

I think that the time of death is accurate but the test and its results will be challenged and proved inconclusive. Dr. Perper stated his opinion as such.

[sunstar]

I didn't see that, but if Baden is saying 3 AM, the body temp had likely dropped 4 degrees or so. I can't see any expert getting away with saying they were killed within the hour CC was gone from the home with a 4 degree discrepancy. That alone should fry him, IMO.

I'd love to see a copy of the autopsy reports.

I've been thinking about it quite a bit and I see CC killing Sheri first, then Garett, and finally, Gavin. I'd think he'd take them out in the order in which they'd be a threat. Visualizing it sure makes it that much more real. :(

It takes several minutes to strangle someone to death. This is not an exact science either (since we can't run experiments LOL), but I think it's safe to say that he'd have to be applying the force for at minimal, 5 minutes each. Only a monster could pull that off 3 times. I could certainly do it to protect my children, but never to harm them. He's a breed of his own, IMO.

Even Dr. Perper, in an earlier appearance on Nancy's show, said the body temperature would be very relevant and could establish whether or not CC was telling the truth. With the amount of physical exertion expended and the spray painting afterward I also doubt CC had left the heat on inside the house, or at least at a temperature that could mask the true time of death. I also agree with you about the order of death and Sheri being the first since she was the biggest threat to him or if he'd gotten caught killing the children. Yes, the killer is definitely a monster, imo. :flamemad:

[Amy]

I think some people think it could possibly back up Coleman's claim he was receiving death threats in the mail (due to Joyce Meyer Ministries having hired a known sex offender). I am sure Coleman's "threats" will be found to be at his own hand, in order to build motive (in his warped mind).

Has there been investigative reporting that says the threats were related to JMM? And if so, if it was related to the fact that they had hired a sex offender?

TIA

[sunstar]

I got that time frame from the Nancy Grace show where there are the scrolling headlines (down at the bottom) and it plays 1,000 times throughout her show. This is where it kept showing "Dr. Michael Baden places the time of death between 3am-5am."

Then again, Nancy does get things wrong.......:shrug:

I know, I saw it too. It's basically still the same and places CC at the house as opposed to his version of being at the gym. :smile:

[sunstar]

Has there been investigative reporting that says the threats were related to JMM? And if so, if it was related to the fact that they had hired a sex offender?

TIA

The only thing I've really heard is the "threats" CC said he received were supposedly work-related. I'm not sure of actual threats that JMM may have gotten. :shrug:

[Amy]

I thought I read that the Coleman's (CC's parents) were at the house emptying out Sherri and the boy's belongings, no mention of them giving anything to Sherri's family ! And, for them to go along with CC's decision to try and keep her family from having their own service was disgusting, not to mention none of the Coleman's informed Sherri's family of the murders for two days. They don't seem to be to Christian-like in their behavior, IMO.

I saw pic of the house being emptied, but did not see captions that it was CC's family, so I don't know if it was them, or perhaps some of his coworkers or friends. If it were the family there, and I do recall Sheri's brother saying CC seemed to have changed his mind after responding to a voice in the background that was his dad's, they are not very Christian. I cannot fathom why someone did not contact Sheri's family.

The point is, they are not in front of the tv cameras day in and day out ranting about how the press reports the situation, how people are trying their son in the court of the press, about what message board posters are saying, or what is said in the comment section of the on-line newspapers. I haven't seen a one of them on a tv program or to a reporter complaining that LE had tunnel vision from the minute the bodies were found. Now, in private, they might be doing all this. OTOH, in private, they might be coming to the light on this themselves. BUT, they are not showing any low-class actions that some of the other parents of murderers had been doing. SPeterson, C Anthony, the Cummings/Sheffield clans, Neil Entwistle, to name a few.

[Amy]

Yes, and he probably used any problems at the ministry to his own advantage in making up the "threats" on his family. I don't think he was the Chief of Security though. MOO

I agree w/the security position. I had read he worked security @ nights @ the JMM headquarters, compound, whatever they are calling it. More recently I read "security manager" whatever that means. But, I really don't recall Chief of Security or Head of Security except by posters. I actually read one post somewhere about his guarding JM--but I only read it in a post. Being in security for a large organization probably has a whole lot of "positions." IMO

[Amy]

I guess Joyce Meyer is a firm believer in forgiveness and practices what her faith teaches. Hate the sin but love the sinner. As for not knowing about his past, we don't know if she did or she didn't.

Maybe since Chris Coleman's was in security his job might have been to do a background check of this man before he was hired and he didn't do a very good job. He might have been a little distracted trying to plan the alleged murder of his family. :confused:

According to the JMM spokesperson in the article about the sex offender, it does indeed say they knew about his past prior to his being hired.

[MiamiNice1]

I know, I saw it too. It's basically still the same and places CC at the house as opposed to his version of being at the gym. :smile:
Exactly - anytime before 5am nails CC - a good thing.

[taylor63]

I just found this and thought I would share this with everyone.Very heartbreaking looking at these pictures knowing what happened to that beautiful family. May God bless and comfort those who mourn their loss. http://www.sheriannherboys.com/photos.htm

[MiamiNice1]

Here is a report that says Coleman was chief of security for Joyce Meyers Ministries:

http://www.randolphcountyheraldtribune.com/archive/x362994168/Triple-homicide-in-Columbia-family-has-local-ties

And this article, from 2003, says that the ministry purchased a home for $145,000 for the chief of security to live in rent free so he can be close to the ministry.

http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer1.html
Good research and a great read! I knew nothing about the JMM and this is a HUGE eye-opener!

[sunstar]

Here is a report that says Coleman was chief of security for Joyce Meyers Ministries:

http://www.randolphcountyheraldtribune.com/archive/x362994168/Triple-homicide-in-Columbia-family-has-local-ties

And this article, from 2003, says that the ministry purchased a home for $145,000 for the chief of security to live in rent free so he can be close to the ministry.

http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer1.html

The second article is really interesting. :read:

[Mamie]

I enjoy watching her on television. I haven't watched in some time, but when I was watching a few years ago (like 4) she is very interesting to listen to. She's really down to earth and comical----which keeps the attention of her audience. Anyway, I like her. I guess I should say whom I speaking of, huh? Joyce Meyer. JMO

[Amy]

The sex offender resigned in 2003 before Coleman even worked there.

The news reports have stated that Coleman said the threats were related to his job at JMM.

He apparently reported the threats to police and a surveillance camera was put up outside his house. Wonder if there were any threats after that?

imo

Thanks. When I had read about the sex offender, I didn't get to the part about the 2003 resignation. Maybe this was an old article? Because the gist of it was that JMM was changing its policy about hiring persons who they deemed have turned their lives around. It sounded like present tense to me.

The most I read about the threats was that in the first article (which is usually the most inaccurate in small details, IMO because they get a pinch of info and run w/it before checking it out) I read it that "they" had received threats and "they" had been to LE. Assuming, of course, "they" is Sheri and CC. In ALL the articles I have read, LE had confirmed they knew about threats, but never went into any detail. It seems subsequent articles sometimes indicated "they" and sometimes "him."

So, if the threats were against HIM, it is even more ludicrous for him to try to get people to think for one minute that the person making the threats would not follow him, and make sure HE was @ home @ the time of the murders. But, IMO, I am with those who think that any threats sent were done by CC himself.

[MissElainyS]

I think it is deplorable that the wife's and childrens' belongings are being withheld from the wife's parents and family members. This reminds me so much of the Petersons who were more than happy to sell all of Laci's and Connor's possessions and keep the money rather than see Laci's mother with any keepsake of her daughter and grandson's existence. How tragic, how selfish and how cruel.

[Amy]

Here is a report that says Coleman was chief of security for Joyce Meyers Ministries:

http://www.randolphcountyheraldtribune.com/archive/x362994168/Triple-homicide-in-Columbia-family-has-local-ties

And this article, from 2003, says that the ministry purchased a home for $145,000 for the chief of security to live in rent free so he can be close to the ministry.

http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer1.html

It would be interesting to know exactly where this security house is. It says, so the chief of security can be close to the ministry. How far is the Coleman's house from the JMM complex? I would think the house would be pretty much right there.

And, it doesn't sound like he is head of security w/a rent-free house, unless the reports of his taking Sheri's name off the deed was just so stuff someone put out there. I guess, until there is something quoted by a JMM spokesperson about his title, we don't know for sure. Another article said he was a security manager which would not necessarily mean head of security. Maybe he was the manager of the night security staff?

[Amy]

Yes, that was me who posted that. lol. From the Monroe County assessor's office.I wonder if the purchase of the house was connected to his employment?



imo

Probably only in the fact that they would have to show they have jobs that would allow them to purchase a house, and to show how much they could spend on one--but that would only be of interest to the mortgage company.

[CarolinaStar]

I think to use this case to trash Joyce Meyer ministries is a travesty.

God can only do so much! Sometimes we human beings must use the common sense HE has bestowed upon us when we purport to have a direct line to HIM. Maybe JM has been trying to impart too much of God's grace to the minions and she needs to ask for refreshed inspiration for her own judgment and knowledge of the human spirit. JMO

[~jomomma~]

God can only do so much! Sometimes we human beings must use the common sense HE has bestowed upon us when we purport to have a direct line to HIM. Maybe JM has been trying to impart too much of God's grace to the minions and she needs to ask for refreshed inspiration for her own judgment and knowledge of the human spirit. JMO

that entry at the rickross site is from 2003

[~jomomma~]

I just found this and thought I would share this with everyone.Very heartbreaking looking at these pictures knowing what happened to that beautiful family. May God bless and comfort those who mourn their loss. http://www.sheriannherboys.com/photos.htm

she was a beautiful lady!!

and those boys! omg! so cute! did you look at pic 7? look at those eyes! :sad:

[Musterion]

Major Case Squad Of Greater St. Louis WebSite.

http://www.thebadge.us/mcs/2009/05/timeline-in-coleman-family-murders.html

IMO.
M.

[NatalieB]

I think it is deplorable that the wife's and childrens' belongings are being withheld from the wife's parents and family members. This reminds me so much of the Petersons who were more than happy to sell all of Laci's and Connor's possessions and keep the money rather than see Laci's mother with any keepsake of her daughter and grandson's existence. How tragic, how selfish and how cruel.

Just playing the Devil's advocate here, but since CC has refused to go into that house, he could use the fact that he had his family's possessions taken from the house so he could be close to them.

I certainly don't think that's why they were removed, but I can see this excuse being used.

[NatalieB]

Yes, that was me who posted that. lol. From the Monroe County assessor's office.I wonder if the purchase of the house was connected to his employment?



imo

If that was you who posted that information, do you recall what year they started paying taxes on that property? I can't recall exactly where you posted that information. If it was '03, perhaps the ministry did make that purchase for them.

[NatalieB]

I think it is deplorable that the wife's and childrens' belongings are being withheld from the wife's parents and family members. This reminds me so much of the Petersons who were more than happy to sell all of Laci's and Connor's possessions and keep the money rather than see Laci's mother with any keepsake of her daughter and grandson's existence. How tragic, how selfish and how cruel.

BTW, in the Peterson case, the family wanting to dispose of Connor's belongings BEFORE the remains were found spoke volumes too. Scott himself was willing to give it all away almost from day 1.

[Musterion]

Christian Redemption -- The belief of being reborn in Christ, starting over, etc. While I believe in second chances and redemption, I also know that one of the highest recidivism rates in criminal justice is that of child sex offenders. It would have been okay to help him get a job in a warehouse or somewhere where he would never interact with children, but to bring him into the church was a big mistake, IMO. They should use common sense and protect the children first. IMO

I agree with your post, bkwits.

And, I will go further than what you are saying, speaking as a Christian myself.

This man, hired by JMM, if he is walking closely with Christ, would not allow anyone to put him in contact with children if he was using wisdom in his own Christian walk. He would understand that this world views a pedophile as someone who cannot be rehabilitated. And, understanding that, he should make every effort to distance himself from a situation that would cause anyone to accuse or question his motives. His first and foremost thought should be how he represents Christ.

IMO this man did not do that. IMO he ingratiated himself into a ministry and into working with children again. IMO it shows that he is not to be trusted and his motives are not Christ like. And, IMO, JMM knowing that this man was a convicted pedophile and allowed him to work with children should be held accountable for their disregard of those that are innocent. There is no excuse, IMO, for this.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

BTW, in the Peterson case, the family wanting to dispose of Connor's belongings BEFORE the remains were found spoke volumes too. Scott himself was willing to give it all away almost from day 1.

Hi Natalie!

I know that Sheri's cousin, on Nancy Grace, said that Chris would not communicate with them or let them have anything of Sheri or the boys. What I do not remember is who said the house was cleaned out.

Can anyone point me to where that information came from?

IMO.
M.

[Nellie]

I am pretty familiar with the Joyce Meyer Ministries and even attended one of her meetings/services/whatever you want to call them. I sometimes enjoy her preaching, but she holds some "beliefs" that I don't believe in. I am leary of any of the wealthy preachers who preach the "prosperity gospel".

This whole case just blows my mind and sickens me and leaves me with so many questions about faith and how this could happen. This is just plain evil. I look at their photos and feel such a sadness and loss and grieve for people I never even knew. I'll never understand....

[bkwits]

I am pretty familiar with the Joyce Meyer Ministries and even attended one of her meetings/services/whatever you want to call them. I sometimes enjoy her preaching, but she holds some "beliefs" that I don't believe in. I am leary of any of the wealthy preachers who preach the "prosperity gospel".

This whole case just blows my mind and sickens me and leaves me with so many questions about faith and how this could happen. This is just plain evil. I look at their photos and feel such a sadness and loss and grieve for people I never even knew. I'll never understand....


I agree about the "prosperity" gospel." Remember Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker? Jim Bakker went to prison and seemed to turn his life around. He started a prison minstry while inside, and as far as I know continues with that after his sentence was commuted. Jim Bakker has said that what caused him to go astray was when his ministry became about the money.

I am lucky to have had a couple of true Christian role models in my life. They don't preach, they live their life with true Christian dignity -- yet realizing that they are fallible human beings. Both of these women suffered more than their share of grief and loss. Yet think of themselves as "blessed". They live (lived in my aunt's case) their daily life never really realizing what an inspiration they are to others.

I wish I could have 1/10 th the faith and goodness of these two Christian women, but I am still trying.

IMO

[bkwits]

It would be interesting to know exactly where this security house is. It says, so the chief of security can be close to the ministry. How far is the Coleman's house from the JMM complex? I would think the house would be pretty much right there.

And, it doesn't sound like he is head of security w/a rent-free house, unless the reports of his taking Sheri's name off the deed was just so stuff someone put out there. I guess, until there is something quoted by a JMM spokesperson about his title, we don't know for sure. Another article said he was a security manager which would not necessarily mean head of security. Maybe he was the manager of the night security staff?


The Coleman house in Columbia is quite a distance from the minstry HQ in Fenton. I am quite familiar with that area south of St. Louis. Now I noticed earlier in the discussion and news releases that the Colemans had moved from a house in So. St. Louis County and still owned the house.

It seems to me that the house that the minstry bought would be for the person who stayed near the minstry property all of the time. CC traveled with JM, so maybe he had a different title. He was quite well-paid. I read that he made $100k per year, and of course his travel expenses were paid.

IMO

[darcie]

It would be interesting to know exactly where this security house is. It says, so the chief of security can be close to the ministry. How far is the Coleman's house from the JMM complex? I would think the house would be pretty much right there.

And, it doesn't sound like he is head of security w/a rent-free house, unless the reports of his taking Sheri's name off the deed was just so stuff someone put out there. I guess, until there is something quoted by a JMM spokesperson about his title, we don't know for sure. Another article said he was a security manager which would not necessarily mean head of security. Maybe he was the manager of the night security staff?

I might be wrong, but I believe the FIRST house they lived in was the rent free home from JMM. They (LE) were also searching that house right after the murders.

I will try and find the link, I am sure it is on the original thread.

MOO

[Ice Cycle]

The Coleman house in Columbia is quite a distance from the minstry HQ in Fenton. I am quite familiar with that area south of St. Louis. Now I noticed earlier in the discussion and news releases that the Colemans had moved from a house in So. St. Louis County and still owned the house.

It seems to me that the house that the minstry bought would be for the person who stayed near the minstry property all of the time. CC traveled with JM, so maybe he had a different title. He was quite well-paid. I read that he made $100k per year, and of course his travel expenses were paid.

IMO

Good Day All,
I think it is obvious their is some wrong or missing information out there. Now I could be wrong but it is very difficult for me to believe that he was making 100k a year for that job plus a rent free house, even if he was head of security. Though I have always believed that the motive was money in some way.

[Ice Cycle]

One other thing that occurred to me the other day is even if LE proves he purchased the paint and gloves that he is more than likely just going to say that they were purchased for other things and the real perp saw them in the basement and used them. Not sure where LE is going with that.

[rem16]

One other thing that occurred to me the other day is even if LE proves he purchased the paint and gloves that he is more than likely just going to say that they were purchased for other things and the real perp saw them in the basement and used them. Not sure where LE is going with that.

I don't think that will fly with a jury, just my opinion.

[MiamiNice]

One other thing that occurred to me the other day is even if LE proves he purchased the paint and gloves that he is more than likely just going to say that they were purchased for other things and the real perp saw them in the basement and used them. Not sure where LE is going with that.
This will never make it past the jury for the following reason: The problem with this is that the "perp" would simply not have time to be running around someone else's basement and then "happen upon" the paint and think "ah! I should spray paint a message on the walls"....just killing the family would be too time consuming.

Coleman himself has made finding any other person responsible almost impossible, as he has given a very narrow margin of time for an unknown perp to commit this crime.

imo

[NatalieB]

I don't think that will fly with a jury, just my opinion.

Especially if they have his DNA in that glove. The fact that he got rid of that indicated to me he was aware it could implicate him.

I do agree purchasing gloves/paint right before the deaths and having both used in the murders would be a stretch for any juror. I'm not one to believe much in coincidence.

[NatalieB]

This will never make it past the jury for the following reason: The problem with this is that the "perp" would simply not have time to be running around someone else's basement and then "happen upon" the paint and think "ah! I should spray paint a message on the walls"....just killing the family would be too time consuming.

Coleman himself has made finding any other person responsible almost impossible, as he has given a very narrow margin of time for an unknown perp to commit this crime.

imo

Not to mention how idiotic it would be for any perp to approach a crime scene without the gloves in hand to conceal his/her identity. No one will buy that he went looking for them in the house so as not to leave his prints behind.

If it looks like a duck......

[MiamiNice]

she was a beautiful lady!!

and those boys! omg! so cute! did you look at pic 7? look at those eyes! :sad:
Besides the fact that Coleman strangling his children is beyond heinous, it is absolutely mind-boggling that Coleman could bring himself to strangle the youngest son, who looked so much like him!!

How monstrous would someone have to be to see this in his mind and yet live with himself afterwards??

imo

[MiamiNice]

Not to mention how idiotic it would be for any perp to approach a crime scene without the gloves in hand to conceal his/her identity. No one will buy that he went looking for them in the house so as not to leave his prints behind.

If it looks like a duck......
The Talking Heads were all commenting on how "planned" the whole murder scene was and how it had to have taken a fair amount of time to complete. A random intruder would not have had the time and as you mention, would not come "unprepared."

[sunstar]

One other thing that occurred to me the other day is even if LE proves he purchased the paint and gloves that he is more than likely just going to say that they were purchased for other things and the real perp saw them in the basement and used them. Not sure where LE is going with that.

I could see a defense lawyer trying this but I think that perp would've left his DNA inside the gloves and what I believe will seal CC's fate is the timeline, TOD of the victims, and computer forensics tracing the "threats" back to CC. :smile: MOO

[sunstar]

The Talking Heads were all commenting on how "planned" the whole murder scene was and how it had to have taken a fair amount of time to complete. A random intruder would not have had the time and as you mention, would not come "unprepared."

I agree and a random intruder wouldn't have left the multiple spray painted messages or for that matter strangled the victims instead of a less personal mannner of killing them. MOO

[MiamiNice]

I could see a defense lawyer trying this but I think that perp would've left his DNA inside the gloves and what I believe will seal CC's fate is the timeline, TOD of the victims, and computer forensics tracing the "threats" back to CC. :smile: MOO
You are so right with all of the above. I hate to use the term "slam dunk" but this is what it is looking like for C Coleman. My heart goes out to his parents and the horror/shock they must be feeling. I wonder if his father preached today?

There is no question as to Sherri's family's horrendous loss, but CC's parents have also lost their grandsons and will now surely lose their son (even though he is alive).

As far as the DNA in the gloves - yes, just imagine all the little hairs we all have on our hands and wrists that could have fallen inside the gloves - especially if the gloves were tight and had to be pulled/rolled off! (did they not have this technology to use on OJ's glove? - but I digress)

imo

[sunstar]

You are so right with all of the above. I hate to use the term "slam dunk" but this is what it is looking like for C Coleman. My heart goes out to his parents and the horror/shock they must be feeling. I wonder if his father preached today?

There is no question as to Sherri's family's horrendous loss, but CC's parents have also lost their grandsons and will now surely lose their son (even though he is alive).

As far as the DNA in the gloves - yes, just imagine all the little hairs we all have on our hands and wrists that could have fallen inside the gloves - especially if the gloves were tight and had to be pulled/rolled off! (did they not have this technology to use on OJ's glove? - but I digress)

imo

That's a good question about OJ's gloves! I'd think if the gloves used in this crime were latex or rubber (I'm not exactly sure which they are since I've heard both) skin cells and hair would be pulled off in removing them, along with sweat being inside. With the arrest so soon after the murders I do think the DA has a lot against CC. MOO

[Peaches]

You are so right with all of the above. I hate to use the term "slam dunk" but this is what it is looking like for C Coleman. My heart goes out to his parents and the horror/shock they must be feeling. I wonder if his father preached today?

There is no question as to Sherri's family's horrendous loss, but CC's parents have also lost their grandsons and will now surely lose their son (even though he is alive).

As far as the DNA in the gloves - yes, just imagine all the little hairs we all have on our hands and wrists that could have fallen inside the gloves - especially if the gloves were tight and had to be pulled/rolled off! (did they not have this technology to use on OJ's glove? - but I digress)

imo


Hello my friend, It is good to see you! :wub:

This is such a sad case. I agree with you that both sides of this family are shocked and grieving.

Just sad..............how can someone just kill their entire family!

[Ice Cycle]

I could see a defense lawyer trying this but I think that perp would've left his DNA inside the gloves and what I believe will seal CC's fate is the timeline, TOD of the victims, and computer forensics tracing the "threats" back to CC. :smile: MOO

Well I didn't say it was going to fly or that is what I think but I do believe if they have a video of him buying the paint that is probably the defense they will use.
I think alot is going to depend on the time of death and the forensic evidence.

[sunstar]

Well I didn't say it was going to fly or that is what I think but I do believe if they have a video of him buying the paint that is probably the defense they will use.
I think alot is going to depend on the time of death and the forensic evidence.

Oh I know :biggrin: I guess we might have to wait until the preliminary hearing or trial to find out if LE ever found that video or any proof he bought the paint. I think it'd probably be just a bonus though if they did since they probably have all they need now. MOO

[sunstar]

LE has been so quiet about their evidence compared to Florida LE. I can't see that man buying red paint at the local store - how stupid can he be! Of course, the phone call to check on his family makes him look guilty already. I hope they looked him over good for scratches, etc. as soon as they found his family dead. What a monster!

I think the big difference is the Sunshine Law in FL. We probably won't find out a lot until trial in this case.

[MiamiNice]

Hello my friend, It is good to see you! :wub:

This is such a sad case. I agree with you that both sides of this family are shocked and grieving.

Just sad..............how can someone just kill their entire family!
:seeya:, Peaches - it is always :wub: to see you!

Isn't it scary nowadays that someone (as Sharon Rocha said to Scott Peterson) can't just "divorce" the person?? Instead, they have to cause so much grief and pain and in the end.....they are caught and imprisoned for the rest of their lives anyway? Sooooo NOT worth it!

imo

[Peaches]

:seeya:, Peaches - it is always :wub: to see you!

Isn't it scary nowadays that someone (as Sharon Rocha said to Scott Peterson) can't just "divorce" the person?? Instead, they have to cause so much grief and pain and in the end.....they are caught and imprisoned for the rest of their lives anyway? Sooooo NOT worth it!

imo


Unbelievable..................parents killing their babies..............as well as their spouse.

At least that UGA professor did not kill his poor children...........he should not have killed anyone............but, at least he left those babies alive.

I know........I know........they will have problems forever over this.

Makes me so angry!jmo

[sunstar]

All of these losers come up with an Idea and they get caught. Then a new Idea, they get caught, a brand new Idea, they get caught.
They all seem to think they have come up with something that the police department and the LE and the investigators and the family and the neighbors and even their "new girlfriend" just couldn't put it together and figure it out. They always get caught. Why do they think they won't, is what slays me.
This one is sitting in a 22 house jail cell and has privy to shower, recreation room to play cards and watch T.V. He can even request a radio where he's at. This is what slays me.
A beautiful wife and two children were murdered by a raging monster.
I agree with you but I heard on Nancy's show that all the cells in the jail are alike as well as the privileges, and that this is the first murder case in about 5 yrs. I'd suppose most of the other inmates that have gone in and out of the jail are for lesser crimes so it might not be as big a deal that the jail treated them so nicely. :smile: MOO

[sunstar]

You also have to remember that the inmates in the county jail have not been convicted yet - they are detainees OR they have been convicted of a low-level crime.



imo

Exactly ~ and thanks for bringing that up too. :smile:

[Musterion]

I am pretty familiar with the Joyce Meyer Ministries and even attended one of her meetings/services/whatever you want to call them. I sometimes enjoy her preaching, but she holds some "beliefs" that I don't believe in. I am leary of any of the wealthy preachers who preach the "prosperity gospel".

This whole case just blows my mind and sickens me and leaves me with so many questions about faith and how this could happen. This is just plain evil. I look at their photos and feel such a sadness and loss and grieve for people I never even knew. I'll never understand....

Hi Nellie!

Remember the early days and Nicholas? It seems like a lifetime ago.

I've always known you to be a kind and intelligent, insightful poster. I, too, have found Joyce Meyer to be a great speaker. In 1995, when I found her on tv, I loved her. She was frank and honest. She was different from any of the other preachers that were out there. She made me laugh with her honesty about life. I still enjoy that about her. But, I have become increasingly uncomfortable about her lifestyle. I don't listen to her anymore. I have a sense that maybe God is trying to pull the reins in on her, she may have gotten too entrenched in believing that blessing=God's favour. Which, clearly, it does not. IMO.

I hope I did not come across as harsh in my last post on the pedophile that she hired. That was not my intent.

I will say that just because we are Christians does not mean we are perfect. Christians lie, christians steal, christians kill, christians can be very mean and judgmental. Some of us meet Christ and that's it, that is as far as we go, others meet Him and let Him transform their lives totally. None of us deserves mercy or grace from God. Not the 'best' Christian. But, He gives it. He will give it to Chris Coleman if he asks with a true heart. Unbelievable as that is, it is the heart of God to take the vilest person and love them.

Hugs, Nellie,

IMO.
M.

[MiamiNice]

All of these losers come up with an Idea and they get caught. Then a new Idea, they get caught, a brand new Idea, they get caught.
They all seem to think they have come up with something that the police department and the LE and the investigators and the family and the neighbors and even their "new girlfriend" just couldn't put it together and figure it out. They always get caught. Why do they think they won't, is what slays me.
This one is sitting in a 22 house jail cell and has privy to shower, recreation room to play cards and watch T.V. He can even request a radio where he's at. This is what slays me.
A beautiful wife and two children were murdered by a raging monster.
ITA with you and I am just as baffled as you are as to their faulty thinking! Coleman, especially being in the security business, could have been so much more clever about it (but I'm glad he wasn't!).

Things in a county jail are much nicer than the actual prison he will go to after he is finally convicted. Like the Mark Hacking case, I'm holding out hope that his family (father) will get him to confess and forgo a costly, painful, drawn-out case.

imo

[aproudmom]

IMO they have just what they need and they did wait to arrest him I really think they have something big such as his DNA in the glove it is very hard to get rid of all DNA even in the rubber gloves they had to tie him to something else other than just his prints and DNA in the home since he did live there and it would be all over the place...that is why I think they waited as long as they did to arrest him they pretty much knew he did it but the DA wanted forensic before filling charges I think they did the right thing by waiting and getting all they could before the arrest..he will go down I have no doubt....jmo

I am not so sure they can pin point the TOD down to the hours of 3 to 5 every ME I have listened to said there is no way of telling in that short amount of time Dr Baden did not even test the fluid behind the eye and even Dr. Perper seemed a little shocked to see that and said he could never get the timeline down to that by a autopsy of course they know when he left they can check cell pings and video of the gym if they had cameras like all the other Gold Gyms ..the sick thing is I just did a google search and looking at him looking at not only his wife but 2 children's coffin knowing he did this is so sickening.I think they have all been seen they are just close ups so seeing his father touching one of the coffins and him leaning on the car knowing all along he did this makes me ill...he is so evil and sick:angry:



Maj. Jeff Connor, deputy commander of the Major Case Squad of Greater St. Louis, said at a news conference Monday that 32-year-old Coleman stopped by the Columbia Police Department with his attorney and gave the prints after police had requested them to compare with evidence found in the slayings of his wife, 31-year-old Sheri Coleman, and sons, 11-year-old Garett and 9-year-old Gavin. The three were found dead by police in the couple's Columbia home May 5 after Christopher Coleman asked police to check on them.

[Musterion]

I don't like gossip or rumours. However, I was reading on another crime board that the woman that CC allegedly was having an affair with had wedding invitations printed up for her and CC.

It is only a rumour but I would like to get it stopped or confirmed.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3773866&postcount=773

Anyone know about this?

IMO.
M.

[NatalieB]

Oh I know :biggrin: I guess we might have to wait until the preliminary hearing or trial to find out if LE ever found that video or any proof he bought the paint. I think it'd probably be just a bonus though if they did since they probably have all they need now. MOO

If he's smart (I know, an oxymoron), this thing will never go to trial. His goose is cooked.

[NatalieB]

I don't like gossip or rumours. However, I was reading on another crime board that the woman that CC allegedly was having an affair with had wedding invitations printed up for her and CC.

It is only a rumour but I would like to get it stopped or confirmed.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3773866&postcount=773

Anyone know about this?

IMO.
M.

BIG BIG ouch if this is true.

[Musterion]

BIG BIG ouch if this is true.

I know Ms. NatalieB!!! That is why I'd really like to know where the info came from.

The implications could twist this story in many ways.

IMO.
M.

Praying for justice for Sheri, Gavin and Garret.
:rose::rose::rose:

[Nellie]

Hi Nellie!

Remember the early days and Nicholas? It seems like a lifetime ago.

I've always known you to be a kind and intelligent, insightful poster. I, too, have found Joyce Meyer to be a great speaker. In 1995, when I found her on tv, I loved her. She was frank and honest. She was different from any of the other preachers that were out there. She made me laugh with her honesty about life. I still enjoy that about her. But, I have become increasingly uncomfortable about her lifestyle. I don't listen to her anymore. I have a sense that maybe God is trying to pull the reins in on her, she may have gotten too entrenched in believing that blessing=God's favour. Which, clearly, it does not. IMO.

I hope I did not come across as harsh in my last post on the pedophile that she hired. That was not my intent.

I will say that just because we are Christians does not mean we are perfect. Christians lie, christians steal, christians kill, christians can be very mean and judgmental. Some of us meet Christ and that's it, that is as far as we go, others meet Him and let Him transform their lives totally. None of us deserves mercy or grace from God. Not the 'best' Christian. But, He gives it. He will give it to Chris Coleman if he asks with a true heart. Unbelievable as that is, it is the heart of God to take the vilest person and love them.

Hugs, Nellie,

IMO.
M.

Hi there Musterion! So good to see you again. Oh yes....Nicholas...that seems so long ago and I haven't heard any news about him anymore. I still feel "funny" about that story.

Yes, Joyce Meyer was/is so "down to earth" and her preaching really "spoke to me" and she could do it in such a humorous way. I'll never forget her "chicken story" about getting around the "limit" on chickens on sale at the grocery. I soooo identified with it! LOL!
But, I was wrapped up in a church with people who believed in the "prosperity gospel" and I just do not believe that blessings from God necessarily means "worldly riches". It got so bad that one of our leaders behind the pulpit told us "The Golden Rule is that those who have the gold, rule"! I was aghast! And sick. And the more I sat under these kind of teachings, I became increasingly uncomfortable with any preacher who supported the "prosperity gospel"...and that included Joyce Meyer. I know that Christians are "fallen imperfect humans" in need of a Saviour....but I have a hard time with ministries that practice "falling in the Spirit" and the Holy Spirit is supposed to be coming down over the whole service and then such evil comes out of it. I just cannot fathom evil and the Holy Spirit in the same room, so it confuses me.

No, your post didn't bother me. No apology necessary.

Good to see you again.

[MiamiNice]

I don't like gossip or rumours. However, I was reading on another crime board that the woman that CC allegedly was having an affair with had wedding invitations printed up for her and CC.

It is only a rumour but I would like to get it stopped or confirmed.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3773866&postcount=773

Anyone know about this?

IMO.
M.

Haven't heard this yet. After the murders, nothing surprises me about CC. Wonder if his double life had truly gone this far? :ohmy:

[taylor63]

No offense,but I find it rather disturbing the Coleman's have not even mentioned the horrible tragedy in their family on their churchs website. http://www.dotheword.com Not one mention of the brutal murders of their daughter in law, and grandsons,no prayer requests, no mention of their grief and pain. I don't understand this at all!

[Musterion]

No offense,but I find it rather disturbing the Coleman's have not even mentioned the horrible tragedy in their family on their churchs website. http://www.dotheword.com Not one mention of the brutal murders of their daughter in law, and grandsons,no prayer requests, no mention of their grief and pain. I don't understand this at all!

Taylor....it has bothered me from the day that Sheri and her boys were murdered. I checked back daily. Okay, well, obsessively, several times a day, just hoping that they would say something about their loss. Nothing, though.

I do not want to read into that, even though, I do. I read so many scenarios into that it exhausts my head. :(

IMO.
M.

[CanCan]

I think to use this case to trash Joyce Meyer ministries is a travesty.

:rolleyes: Joyce Meyer doesn't need this case to trash her ministry.......she does that all by herself by preaching that trashy false doctrine, "The Prosperity Gospel."

mo

[aproudmom]

Just in case anyone missed this show I fell out of my chair when this guy said this to NG I know a lot do not like her or her show but it is hers and I had never heard anyone say this to her...had to laugh over it:laugh: this is one for the books..


Meanwhile, the national attention surrounding the case has continued, and it led to one blow up between a St. Louis talk radio host and CNN host Nancy Grace. McGraw Milhaven says Grace was turning the story into a spectacle, and not discussing the facts.

"St. Louis was looking embarrassed," he says. "We were looking like a bunch of country bumpkins, and something needed to be said."

He confronted Grace on her program, saying, "Nancy, you're missing the whole point. This show is a joke. You are a joke. You are protecting the prosecutor."

He then went on to say he was embarrassed to be on the show, at which point Grace responded, "Well, sir, you're off. Cut his mic.":thumbsup:

[aproudmom]

I don't like gossip or rumours. However, I was reading on another crime board that the woman that CC allegedly was having an affair with had wedding invitations printed up for her and CC.

It is only a rumour but I would like to get it stopped or confirmed.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3773866&postcount=773

Anyone know about this?

IMO.
M.

I had read somewhere she had been telling people they were going to get married but just like this it was never confirmed so I did not even go there...would not shock me though

[aproudmom]

No offense,but I find it rather disturbing the Coleman's have not even mentioned the horrible tragedy in their family on their churchs website. http://www.dotheword.com Not one mention of the brutal murders of their daughter in law, and grandsons,no prayer requests, no mention of their grief and pain. I don't understand this at all!

Does not surprise me one bit for one if he was so christian and his family is I would think they would have told him to do the right thing and allow her and the kids to be taken to Chicago like he promised and then changed his mind..pretty sad they had to fight to say their good byes and now look he is in the slammer for killing them..:thumbdown: I was not there and did not hear who he spoke to or why he decided to change his mind and I have no proof or link his family had anything to do with it so I am only saying what I heard on one of the news reports on TV so don't know if it had anything to do with anyone but him but still feel if your brought up in church and your a pastor you would try to at least tell your child to do the right thing it was no like they ask to have them buried in Chicago they just wanted a service for them there..maybe they did not want any kind of Catholic service since she had been brought up Catholic but changed when they married..heck I don't know will never understand any of this


The private funeral was Saturday morning at Christopher Coleman's father's church, Grace Church Ministries, in Chester. Burial, however, was delayed. Sheri Coleman's family scheduled services in the Chicago area Monday for Sheri, Garett and Gavin Coleman at the Hursen Funeral Home in Hillside-Westchester.

According to a petition filed Friday in Monroe County Circuit Court, the bodies of Sheri Coleman and her two sons were allowed to be brought to a funeral home in Hillside, a Chicago suburb, for the funeral. The petition states that Christopher Coleman agreed to allow the transfer. The bodies must be returned by today, and the expenses must be paid by the petitioners, relatives of Sheri Coleman.


Her family found out Thursday afternoon that Chris Coleman was not going to allow them to bring the victims to Chicago as had been discussed. Enrico Mirabelli, Sheri's cousin, is a lawyer who flew to St. Louis and tried again to get Chris Coleman to allow a service in Chicago.

He refused.:cursing:

Mirabelli had served on the Illinois State Bar Association Board with Belleville attorney Jack Carey, so he enlisted Carey's aid and with some help from St. Clair County Circuit Judge John Baricevic and Associate Judge Brian Babka, they obtained a restraining order and stopped the burials on Saturday in Chester, where Chris Coleman grew up.

[~jomomma~]

you know, i hate that the Chris Coleman thread turns into a bashing of JMM. maybe those that want to bash her should start a new thread?

people believe what they want to believe. to each his own.

those articles from rickross site are from 2003.

if anyone is interested, check out JMM website. http://www.joycemeyer.org/default.htm

if you're a firm believer that Joyce is a fraud, i'm sure you won't take the time.

i've gone to see Joyce twice and it was overwhelming. it was very inspirational. it's about mind, body and soul. it's about learning how to be christian in your every day life. something so many of us forget to do. it's how to deal with issues like resentment, forgiveness, fear, anger, bitterness. i don't see how that can be so bad. obviously millions of people don't.

so what if she lives in a beautiful home? i guess it would be better to glorify and praise a professional football/baseball/basketball player, eh?
buy their shoes/clothes, pay unbelievable seat prices, etc. or a movie star? etc.

from her website, under 'about us', 'financial accountability'
check out the youtube's there
http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/FinancialAccountability/whatwedo.htm

or Hand of Hope
http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/HandofHope/

annual report
http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/annualreport/


i don't have the money to give when i go to see her (as i'm still feeling the financial pain of raising 2 kids on my own on a measley income after a bitter divorce). giving at her conferences is optional. i wish i did have the extra money though. also, her conferences are free admission (except for the woman's conference in St. Louis)

the Bible says 'Give and it shall be given unto you'

Joyce is helping so many people, you think it's wrong that she is living in a fine home? i don't get it.

i'm going to see her this weekend :biggrin:

[CelticDawn]

you know, i hate that the Chris Coleman thread turns into a bashing of JMM. maybe those that want to bash her should start a new thread?

people believe what they want to believe. to each his own.

those articles from rickross site are from 2003.

if anyone is interested, check out JMM website. http://www.joycemeyer.org/default.htm

if you're a firm believer that Joyce is a fraud, i'm sure you won't take the time.

i've gone to see Joyce twice and it was overwhelming. it was very inspirational. it's about mind, body and soul. it's about learning how to be christian in your every day life. something so many of us forget to do. it's how to deal with issues like resentment, forgiveness, fear, anger, bitterness. i don't see how that can be so bad. obviously millions of people don't.

so what if she lives in a beautiful home? i guess it would be better to glorify and praise a professional football/baseball/basketball player, eh?
buy their shoes/clothes, pay unbelievable seat prices, etc. or a movie star? etc.

from her website, under 'about us', 'financial accountability'
check out the youtube's there
http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/FinancialAccountability/whatwedo.htm

or Hand of Hope
http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/HandofHope/

annual report
http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/annualreport/


i don't have the money to give when i go to see her (as i'm still feeling the financial pain of raising 2 kids on my own on a measley income after a bitter divorce). giving at her conferences is optional. i wish i did have the extra money though. also, her conferences are free admission (except for the woman's conference in St. Louis)

the Bible says 'Give and it shall be given unto you'

Joyce is helping so many people, you think it's wrong that she is living in a fine home? i don't get it.

i'm going to see her this weekend :biggrin:


I agree with your post.
If she were living in poverty would that make her more of a good Christian?

I just hate to see her villified because she believes as she does and is obviously successful at what she chooses to do to help humanity.

[CC I See]

I agree with your post.
If she were living in poverty would that make her more of a good Christian?

I just hate to see her villified because she believes as she does and is obviously successful at what she chooses to do to help humanity.

I could not agree more. Joyce Meyer and what she may or may not have done in her ministry has nothing to do with Chris Coleman allegedly killing his family.

It would be like any other employer being brought into a murder case of one of their employees simply because the suspect work for them. This case should be no different.

[Ice Cycle]

I could not agree more. Joyce Meyer and what she may or may not have done in her ministry has nothing to do with Chris Coleman allegedly killing his family.

It would be like any other employer being brought into a murder case of one of their employees simply because the suspect work for them. This case should be no different.

Well I like I believe alot on this board had never heard of JMM prior to this case, due to I do not live in the area or rarely listen to televangelist. So I can't give a opinion about her believes. Normally I agree that a persons personal life has nothing to do with their employment however in this case it appears it might apply even if not directly. Obviously his moral conduct played a part in his representation of this ministry and since his income and benefits was tied into that, it could account for motive. At least motive in his mind.

[bkwits]

You also have to remember that the inmates in the county jail have not been convicted yet - they are detainees OR they have been convicted of a low-level crime.



imo

If he is convicted (and I believe he will be), maybe they will send him to Tamms Correctional Facility in the southern tip of IL. It is horrible, horrible, and for the worst of the worst. I don't think that he will though. Tamms is very controversial and many think it should be shut down. The facility is only 11 years old.

IMO

[bkwits]

I agree with your post.
If she were living in poverty would that make her more of a good Christian?

I just hate to see her villified because she believes as she does and is obviously successful at what she chooses to do to help humanity.

I can only speak for myself. Personally I would have greater respect for her and her ministry if she lived a more reserved lifestyle, but it doesn't have to be in poverty. She and her family could live very nicely in Fenton, MO on a lot less than what they have spent. Perhaps her opulent lifestyle will be her downfall, as has happened to many other TV preachers.

IMO

[CC I See]

Well I like I believe alot on this board had never heard of JMM prior to this case, due to I do not live in the area or rarely listen to televangelist. So I can't give a opinion about her believes. Normally I agree that a persons personal life has nothing to do with their employment however in this case it appears it might apply even if not directly. Obviously his moral conduct played a part in his representation of this ministry and since his income and benefits was tied into that, it could account for motive. At least motive in his mind.

I think the motive that was mentioned was that Chris might have killed his family because divorce would never be approved of in the Joyce Meyer ministry and he wanted to remarry. I think that if Joyce Meyer was that rigid in her beliefs and teaching, there would very few people following her ministry. Everyone makes mistakes and no one is without sin.

But you might be right and that he was so fearful of losing his job that the only way out he thought, would be to murder his family and blame it on an intruder.

I think the motive is much more realistic and that he wanted his family dead so that he could move on to marry his girlfriend and perhaps collect on the Life Insurance policy on his wife by blaming an intruder for the killings.

[CelticDawn]

I can only speak for myself. Personally I would have greater respect for her and her ministry if she lived a more reserved lifestyle, but it doesn't have to be in poverty. She and her family could live very nicely in Fenton, MO on a lot less than what they have spent. Perhaps her opulent lifestyle will be her downfall, as has happened to many other TV preachers.

IMO

I understand where you are coming from but (not you) some people will use their jealousy and/or underlying resentment of her success and way of living to somehow villify her...no matter how much she has given back to humanity...Im not speaking of your statement but those people that just resent successful people.....BUT some of those same people wouldnt begrudge a Professional Athlete or an Actor or an owner of a Triple crown Winner a lavish lifestyle.

and yes...I have seen several televangelists take hard falls ....I hope this won't be the case with her.

ETA I think a person that is working for God should be rewarded more than a person working for the NFL.

[airportwoman]

I think the motive that was mentioned was that Chris might have killed his family because divorce would never be approved of in the Joyce Meyer ministry and he wanted to remarry. I think that if Joyce Meyer was that rigid in her beliefs and teaching, there would very few people following her ministry. Everyone makes mistakes and no one is without sin.

But you might be right and that he was so fearful of losing his job that the only way out he thought, would be to murder his family and blame it on an intruder.

I think the motive is much more realistic and that he wanted his family dead so that he could move on to marry his girlfriend and perhaps collect on the Life Insurance policy on his wife by blaming an intruder for the killings.

Joyce Meyer would have no business firing someone for being divorced because that's how her first marriage ended.

Now, getting a divorce because you lined up your next spouse while still married to and living with the current one - that's another story. For most employers, this would not be grounds, but if you're working for a church or ministry, that's another story.

[Ice Cycle]

I think the motive that was mentioned was that Chris might have killed his family because divorce would never be approved of in the Joyce Meyer ministry and he wanted to remarry. I think that if Joyce Meyer was that rigid in her beliefs and teaching, there would very few people following her ministry. Everyone makes mistakes and no one is without sin.

But you might be right and that he was so fearful of losing his job that the only way out he thought, would be to murder his family and blame it on an intruder.

I think the motive is much more realistic and that he wanted his family dead so that he could move on to marry his girlfriend and perhaps collect on the Life Insurance policy on his wife by blaming an intruder for the killings.

Well I think realistically if that was the case he would of just got a divorce. I am not saying he would of been fired for divorcing but if it is true that he was seeing the girl in the house they provided as well as trips they paid for that then might of effected the Ministry's actions and at the least ruin his opinion of himself with these people especially since obviously she was also involved with them. So therefore his job was tied to his personal life in a non direct way. Regardless of who put it that way.

[CC I See]

Well I think realistically if that was the case he would of just got a divorce. I am not saying he would of been fired for divorcing but if it is true that he was seeing the girl in the house they provided as well as trips they paid for that then might of effected the Ministry's actions and at the least ruin his opinion of himself with these people especially since obviously she was also involved with them.

A divorce would have meant alimony, child support and splitting of the property. A death by an intruder would mean no alimony, child support or splitting of their assets. Plus if he can point the finger at an intruder and prove it, then he could also claim her life insurance. A nice little nest egg plus and new woman could give MOTIVE.

We have yet to find out how much the insurance policy was for but if it was enough, he could HIRE someone to kill his family.

[Ice Cycle]

A divorce would have meant alimony, child support and splitting of the property. A death by an intruder would mean no alimony, child support or splitting of their assets. Plus if he can point the finger at an intruder and prove it, then he could also claim her life insurance. A nice little nest egg plus and new woman could give MOTIVE.

We have yet to find out how much the insurance policy was for but if it was enough, he could HIRE someone to kill his family.

Yes I know I have said from the start I believe his motive is $$ and doesn't mean if he had another job that would of changed that though that job could of added to that as I don't know the conditions of that job. IMO I doubt the side girl was his motive either, just doesn't remind me of the type that would do this just to be with a female. To get rid of financial responsibilities more than likely. It is kind of hard to write this since any of these motives are so off the wall.

[Ice Cycle]

Does anyone know when his next court date is or what happens next?

[sunstar]

Does anyone know when his next court date is or what happens next?

"St. Clair County associate judge Stephen Rice took the plea and set a preliminary hearing for Chris Coleman at 10 a.m. June 10."

http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com/articles/2009/05/23/monroe/news/doc4a1468c6eff7a209317311.txt

[SavannahStar]

This is quite an interesting case! I am just now catching up on all the facts. Thanks, posters.

[bkwits]

Just fooling around, I did a search on Christopher and Sheri Coleman in So. STL county. I don't know the exact years on these residencies but it appears that they lived at 397 Tuckahoe -- that is the Jefferson Barracks apartments.

They also lived at 4429 Obannon Rd., which appears to be townhouses or appartments.

They lived at 11078 Fawnhaven, which was owned by Joyce Meyer Ministeries from 2002 to 2005. JMM sold it to the present owners, a married couple.

Just a few facts..:wink:

[KittyMom]

"Family of Sheri Coleman to File Wrongful Death Lawsuit"

http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-shericolemanwrongfuldealth-052509,0,1846800.story

"The family of Sheri Coleman will file a wrongful death lawsuit Tuesday at the Monroe County Courthouse in Illinois against Christopher Coleman. Belleville attorney Jack Carey is working with Sheri's family. They arrived in St.Louis Sunday night. Carey will file the suit to prevent Chris Coleman from having access to properties associated with Chris' marriage to Sheri Coleman."

Good for them. I have a feeling this guy was another Scooter and didn't try to get close to her family and didn't encourage her to be either. imo

[sunstar]

"Family of Sheri Coleman to File Wrongful Death Lawsuit"

http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-shericolemanwrongfuldealth-052509,0,1846800.story

"The family of Sheri Coleman will file a wrongful death lawsuit Tuesday at the Monroe County Courthouse in Illinois against Christopher Coleman. Belleville attorney Jack Carey is working with Sheri's family. They arrived in St.Louis Sunday night. Carey will file the suit to prevent Chris Coleman from having access to properties associated with Chris' marriage to Sheri Coleman."

I'm glad they are doing this. I also hope he hasn't discarded her posessions. :sad:

[Ice Cycle]

Where is it said that he was seeing the girlfriend in a house owned by JMM? Is there a legitimate link to that? Or is it a rumor from another message board?

Well I wrote "If it is true" as it has been implied many times on this board and not by myself as listed below, and their are others so you might want to check with them.

Originally Posted by bkwits http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13108471#post13108471)
I had posted previously a link that says CC was confronted by the exec from JMM and threatened with being fired and having a lawsuit filed against him, if he did not resign. He was using a JMM property as for his trysts with his lover.


IMO

[SavannahStar]

I'm glad they are doing this. I also hope he hasn't discarded her posessions. :sad:

I am NEVER happy about wrongful death suits......but that would take a whole other forum. Waste of money/resources, IMO. And for what.

[Ice Cycle]

I can't get the link to work. I wasn't accusing you of anything - just curious cause I've never seen a credible report that he was using the JMM house for his trysts. :smile:

Well actually neither have I because I did not look at the link evidently provided as I was referring to more of a money motive of things JMM might of provided for him as a benefit (and not the side girl, if that is true also).

[bkwits]

Just fooling around, I did a search on Christopher and Sheri Coleman in So. STL county. I don't know the exact years on these residencies but it appears that they lived at 397 Tuckahoe -- that is the Jefferson Barracks apartments.

They also lived at 4429 Obannon Rd., which appears to be townhouses or appartments.

They lived at 11078 Fawnhaven, which was owned by Joyce Meyer Ministeries from 2002 to 2005. JMM sold it to the present owners, a married couple.

Just a few facts..:wink:


I have subsequently found that Joyce Meyer's daughter and husband are the present owners of 11078 Fawnhaven.

[bkwits]

Thank you bk!

That is good stuff. Also it shows that the other home is occupied by another couple. Is that the home where he allegedly saw the gf?

Apparently the couple who now own the home on Fawnhaven are Joyce Meyer's daughter and her husband.

[Ice Cycle]

"St. Clair County associate judge Stephen Rice took the plea and set a preliminary hearing for Chris Coleman at 10 a.m. June 10."

http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com/articles/2009/05/23/monroe/news/doc4a1468c6eff7a209317311.txt

Thanks, since I am not that much on legal procedures, do you know (or anyone) is the preliminary hearing in lieu of a Grand Jury hearing?
Just wondering who decides if it goes to a Grand Jury, is that state specific or up to the prosecutor?

[bkwits]

I wonder if they're actually living there?

I'm having a lazy day today and just checking around different sites. I'm not sure but I think that there was a lot of critcism about JMM buying luxury homes for the Meyers children (in Fenton, I believe) and paying the upkeep. Maybe that is when they transferred the house, which is not in Fenton, to the daughter. I don't know if she lives there.

IMO

[CelticDawn]

Well actually neither have I because I did not look at the link evidently provided as I was referring to more of a money motive of things JMM might of provided for him as a benefit (and not the side girl, if that is true also).

I saw something briefly about that....I just remember that anybody that has an axe to grind is now going to start saying that JM should have known everything about this guy and his activities.....People will say that UNTIL THEIR EMPLOYER STARTS DELVING INTO THE MOST INTIMATE PARTS OF THEIR PERSONAL ACTIVITIES....Its just going to be a bunch of mudslinging AT JOYCE and her family I think.....although I REALLY HOPE NOT.

[CelticDawn]

I'm having a lazy day today and just checking around different sites. I'm not sure but I think that there was a lot of critcism about JMM buying luxury homes for the Meyers children (in Fenton, I believe) and paying the upkeep. Maybe that is when they transferred the house, which is not in Fenton, to the daughter. I don't know if she lives there.

IMO

I saw that too.....Jealousy for whatever reason is THE UGLIEST EMOTION on the planet.....People wioth resentments no matter how small will come out of the woodwork against JM and not the murderer...

[Amy]

Joyce Meyer would have no business firing someone for being divorced because that's how her first marriage ended.

Now, getting a divorce because you lined up your next spouse while still married to and living with the current one - that's another story. For most employers, this would not be grounds, but if you're working for a church or ministry, that's another story.

I haven't read the JMM policies, but I would think that divorce would not be a deal breaker for employment @ the ministries. However, adultery might. If there were a divorce, the adultery might come out and he would lose his job.

I think it also has a lot to do w/appearances. A widower makes a much more sympathetic picture than a man leaving his wife and two children.

Then, there is always the financial part. A divorce would involve child support @ the least, maybe a custody battle (expensive) and possibly, since Sheri was a SAHM, spousal support for a time. If the family is murdered, all that goes away (he wouldn't have to put out the time and money it takes to raise 2 kids which would include childcare expenses) PLUS, there money to be received on payout of life insurances.

[Amy]

Yes I know I have said from the start I believe his motive is $$ and doesn't mean if he had another job that would of changed that though that job could of added to that as I don't know the conditions of that job. IMO I doubt the side girl was his motive either, just doesn't remind me of the type that would do this just to be with a female. To get rid of financial responsibilities more than likely. It is kind of hard to write this since any of these motives are so off the wall.

I wonder how much wanting to be with that particular woman had to do w/the murders, and how much was wanting to be free to do what he wanted to do, not only no wife and no kids, but much less financial responsibilities (as related to family.) I am one who believes that SPeterson did not murder Laci and Connor to MARRY Amber Frey, but to be free to be able to date anyone he wanted, have whatever affairs he wanted, to not have the responsibility (emotional or financial) of family.

There might be one particular woman in the picture @ the time of the murders, but that does not mean that the murderer would have or even wanted to marry that particualr woman. IMO

[Amy]

Thank you bk!

That is good stuff. Also it shows that the other home is occupied by another couple. Is that the home where he allegedly saw the gf?

If I understood the posts about the g/f and the JMM property, that property would have been in FL where the g/f lives, and where he allegedly was seeing her.

[bkwits]

If I understood the posts about the g/f and the JMM property, that property would have been in FL where the g/f lives, and where he allegedly was seeing her.


That is also what I had thought. I imagine JMM owns a lot of property around the country. But several media articles have mentioned a house that JMM owns in So. STL County. Some articles mention that Coleman still owns a house there that he used to live in. Apparently, he never owned the house, JMM did.

IMO

[sunstar]

Well I wrote "If it is true" as it has been implied many times on this board and not by myself as listed below, and their are others so you might want to check with them.

Originally Posted by bkwits http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13108471#post13108471)
I had posted previously a link that says CC was confronted by the exec from JMM and threatened with being fired and having a lawsuit filed against him, if he did not resign. He was using a JMM property as for his trysts with his lover.


IMO
"...and threatened with being fired and having a lawsuit filed against him...

Here seems to be his inspriation for the "threats". MOO

[NatalieB]

Just in case anyone missed this show I fell out of my chair when this guy said this to NG I know a lot do not like her or her show but it is hers and I had never heard anyone say this to her...had to laugh over it:laugh: this is one for the books..


Meanwhile, the national attention surrounding the case has continued, and it led to one blow up between a St. Louis talk radio host and CNN host Nancy Grace. McGraw Milhaven says Grace was turning the story into a spectacle, and not discussing the facts.

"St. Louis was looking embarrassed," he says. "We were looking like a bunch of country bumpkins, and something needed to be said."

He confronted Grace on her program, saying, "Nancy, you're missing the whole point. This show is a joke. You are a joke. You are protecting the prosecutor."

He then went on to say he was embarrassed to be on the show, at which point Grace responded, "Well, sir, you're off. Cut his mic.":thumbsup:

Well, I see you've went out of your way to defend JM's ministry. I certainly won't attack the content of the sermons because I have never listened to a single one and have no intention of doing so. I am quite troubled by the fact that a sexual predator was hired by the company and allowed around children though. Chalk that up to jealously if you want, but I find it completely outrageous and it evokes anger from me, not jealously.

To address this idiot, he sure did attack Nancy Grace. I think kudos should go out to her for not editing him right on out of her show. It's not the first time she's stood up to this type of guest though, so I'm not sure it qualifies for any record book.

There were many reasons why LE did not charge CC before they did. If the guy actually understood the law, he might have had the insight to see it too. I can agree with one thing he said though. If it would have been someone else other than the husband, LE would have made the arrest before now (meaning the period of time when that show aired). LE might have made that arrested because if it were someone else, they may have felt he was a threat to society. That would trump everything else.

Had they made the arrest, what would prosecutors do if CC invoked his right to a speedy trial? If they're not ready for trial, do you think Sheri's family would have said, no big deal, you charged him before you could prove his guilt so jurors had no choice but to let him walk, and now, double jeopardy comes into play. We're not at all upset that he'll never serve a day in prison for our loved ones' murders. We're just happy you made the attempt early on and charged him.

Why too would LE make an arrest before the evidence came back pointing toward CC? Yeah, they surely want to take the stand and say, he's the husband, how can you say we rushed to judgments about his guilt. He's the husband and statistics say he's guilty. We didn't need physical proof, he's the husband for crying out loud. "Can you please cut me some slack?"

If he'd look back at past cases, he'd see that it's rare that LE makes the arrest early on. There is entirely too much on the line for them to not cross every T and dot every i. That man was a complete moron.

[NatalieB]

BTW, if my above post sounds angry, know the anger is toward the guy on Nancy Grace and the ministry for hiring a sexual predator. It's not meant toward posters.

[myownopera]

BTW, if my above post sounds angry, know the anger is toward the guy on Nancy Grace and the ministry for hiring a sexual predator. It's not meant toward posters.

Don't the producers (or somone) for these shows alway interview these TH before they appear??? I think this guy had this all planned -- way before hand -- to really "light in to" Nancy Grace! I think, in a way, it was just for show. Of course, I certainly may be wrong but: JMO

[Ice Cycle]

I wonder how much wanting to be with that particular woman had to do w/the murders, and how much was wanting to be free to do what he wanted to do, not only no wife and no kids, but much less financial responsibilities (as related to family.) I am one who believes that SPeterson did not murder Laci and Connor to MARRY Amber Frey, but to be free to be able to date anyone he wanted, have whatever affairs he wanted, to not have the responsibility (emotional or financial) of family.

There might be one particular woman in the picture @ the time of the murders, but that does not mean that the murderer would have or even wanted to marry that particualr woman. IMO

ITA, Irresponsible, Manipulating and Evil.

[Ice Cycle]

I wonder about these threats he claimed to be getting, I know it was said he contacted the police and I believe I read somewhere that JMM knew of them but I have never heard if Sherri actually knew that is what he was saying. The reason why I question that is wouldn't she have told her family about this as I believe I heard on NG that her family did not know of them. Could it of been he told others he did not want her to know to keep her from worrying, when in reality it could of been because she would of probably wanted more security or a security system.

[CC I See]

BTW, if my above post sounds angry, know the anger is toward the guy on Nancy Grace and the ministry for hiring a sexual predator. It's not meant toward posters.

Wasn't the case about hiring a sexual predator before Chris Coleman went to work for JM? Was it 2003 or 2005 when it happened? I am NOT defending what they did, but it was in only the last two or three years that there has been such an outpouring of effort to control these kinds of situations from occurring. Prior to that it was more of the hate the sin but love the sinner type of approach. She might have felt that he had changed and believed in him. We now know that sexual predators never change and such thinking is actually enabling them.

[~jomomma~]

it's been reported it was a latex glove, correct? we haven't heard any more than that, have we? i might've missed it if there was any more reported.

there are so many different kinds of latex gloves. i'm just wondering if we know just what kind it is.

if it's a medical latex, those come in powdered and powder free. these, you have to pull them off from the wrist and they will be inside out.

if this is the kind it was, i am so hoping CC's prints are there. what i'm also hoping is if the glove was inside out, sheri's or the boy's dna would be on the outside (well, it'd be inside when found). i don't know much about strangulation but would there be any saliva or blood? there may even be hair.

man, he wouldn't be able to come up with much defense if this was the case! there's no way he could say he had the gloves at his house and an intruder used them. i am assuming he used the gloves while strangling them.....or would he have just used it for the painting?

so many question, i know. i'm not sure if it's even coming out right.

i've been googling latex gloves and there are industrial/automotive latex... latex coated....etc

[~jomomma~]

Wasn't the case about hiring a sexual predator before Chris Coleman went to work for JM? Was it 2003 or 2005 when it happened? I am NOT defending what they did, but it was in only the last two or three years that there has been such an outpouring of effort to control these kinds of situations from occurring. Prior to that it was more of the hate the sin but love the sinner type of approach. She might have felt that he had changed and believed in him. We now know that sexual predators never change and such thinking is actually enabling them.

i think he was hired in 2001.

[CC I See]

i think he was hired in 2001.

Thank you for the information.

[bkwits]

I had read somewhere she had been telling people they were going to get married but just like this it was never confirmed so I did not even go there...would not shock me though


I saw it referred to on the Topix forum, but no source was listed. I am skeptical.


IMO

[CC I See]

I had read somewhere she had been telling people they were going to get married but just like this it was never confirmed so I did not even go there...would not shock me though

If this is true, it builds motive. We don't know anything about this woman we have a name, age and where she works and the relationship she had with the family. We just don't know if she was the REASON behind the murder of the Coleman family,

[sunstar]

If this is true, it builds motive. We don't know anything about this woman we have a name, age and where she works and the relationship she had with the family. We just don't know if she was the REASON behind the murder of the Coleman family,

I can't help but thinking she was at least part of the motive. MOO

[CC I See]

I can't help but thinking she was at least part of the motive. MOO

I agree and there might be more come out to just how much she knew and what he was planning. If he did this and he planned this, she might have taken part in the planning. $$$$ is a strong motivator.

[CC I See]

You are correct, we don't. However, based on the past experience with these killers who are married and have a woman on the side it usually ends up this way. Not that Coleman's girlfriend knew anything about this because we don't know. I can seriously say I doubt it.

IIRC, Scott Peterson led Amber Frey to believe he was a widow and she knew nothing about Lacy. She believed everything he told her and had no reason not to. This could very well be the same scenario. This we do not know. :unsure:
JMHO

The only difference that I see is that Amber Frey did not know that much about Scott but the woman in the Coleman case was a close friend of Sheri's and the family and was so for years. This gives them time to build up a relationship that COULD have involved planning.

[CC I See]

Ewwww, that's right! I completely forgot about that very important part of all this.
Yipes, now I need to change my thought process.
Thanks for reminding me.:seeya:

You are welcome. There HAS to be something very lacking in a woman who allegedly had a long term affair with her best friend's husband. That is why I put her in the picture more so than in other cases.

[CC I See]

What I find amazing is (to date) both sides of the family say they knew nothing of them having problems at all. Everything was like a normal loving family. I believe the neighbors said they heard screaming earlier. Was that a lot earlier, before he killed Sheri and the boys?
If they were fighting he may have decided this had to be the time he had to kill them. We know it was premeditated with all the fake threats and mailbox and other things Coleman set up.

What I am having such a hard time with is that it is not that uncommon for people kill their spouses/significant others. But why kill the children? It would take a very evil person to do this. Why did no one see this in him before? How did he hide this?

[sunstar]

You are welcome. There HAS to be something very lacking in a woman who allegedly had a long term affair with her best friend's husband. That is why I put her in the picture more so than in other cases.

I'm in agreement here too. It will be interesting to see just how cooperative she is with LE. MOO

[Musterion]

http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/200905/masks-sanity-detecting-disguised-personality-disorders-part-two

"In Illinois this month, a thirty-two-year-old mother and her two young sons were strangled to death by ligature in their own beds as they slept. On a bedroom wall was scrawled some angry message, reported to say "I told you this would happen." Police have now arrested the husband and father, Christopher Coleman, an apparently high-functioning, former Marine, military police officer and minister's son, who publicly gives the impression of being clean-cut, cool, calm and collected. Coleman served as head of security for religious televangelist Joyce Meyer. But apparently hiding beneath the Norman Rockwell-esque facade of his marriage and spiritual persona, evil lurked. It is alleged that Mr. Coleman, who had been carrying on a clandestine affair in Florida with a former highschool friend of his wife, callously murdered his defenseless family with premeditation and malice."

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

http://pysih.com/2009/05/22/christopher-e-coleman/

"George Wise, a freelance photojournalist and friend of Coleman, was also present at the arraignment. He described what he considered a defining moment in the story. As he snapped picture of Coleman being put into a squad car, a reporter asked if Coleman had any thoughts to share about his children:

“You did see him drop his head … you just knew it’d just sunk in to him. He was having the full realization of the impact of what he’s going to go through.”

Coleman bowed his head, pursed his lips and seemed to fight back tears, as police led him off to jail."

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

"Convict Chris Coleman": A free speech zone dedicated to the events surrounding the Coleman Family Massacre.

http://cccc.forumotion.net/forum.htm

IMO.
M.

[aproudmom]

I can't help but thinking she was at least part of the motive. MOO

I agree she may have not knew she was he could have told her he was divorcing who knows..but if anyone has a link with her name and where she lives and works can they post it I know I always heard a name but did not know if it was the right person or not....wow wonder how she feels now..bad enough it was her friends hubby but now his whole family is gone and WHY??

[aproudmom]

"Convict Chris Coleman": A free speech zone dedicated to the events surrounding the Coleman Family Massacre.

http://cccc.forumotion.net/forum.htm

IMO.
M.

Is this one of our posters? that name I know I have seen before..just wondered thought it was on the DP thread or it may be rockstar well never mind

[aproudmom]

http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/200905/masks-sanity-detecting-disguised-personality-disorders-part-two

"In Illinois this month, a thirty-two-year-old mother and her two young sons were strangled to death by ligature in their own beds as they slept. On a bedroom wall was scrawled some angry message, reported to say "I told you this would happen." Police have now arrested the husband and father, Christopher Coleman, an apparently high-functioning, former Marine, military police officer and minister's son, who publicly gives the impression of being clean-cut, cool, calm and collected. Coleman served as head of security for religious televangelist Joyce Meyer. But apparently hiding beneath the Norman Rockwell-esque facade of his marriage and spiritual persona, evil lurked. It is alleged that Mr. Coleman, who had been carrying on a clandestine affair in Florida with a former highschool friend of his wife, callously murdered his defenseless family with premeditation and malice."

IMO.
M.

thank you so much for the links appreciate it

[~jomomma~]

I don't know anything about JMM other than links regarding this case. Where doies resentment and jealousy come into play regarding CC/JMM discussion? I ask because I don't see it but want to know.

Pro athletes don't solicit donations. Horse breeders don't have non-profit sermons to support their breeding. They may sell shoes, tickets, races, etc. Just as JMM sells her tapes, books and appearances.

Legit tax deductible entities say so up front. At least a fan knows exactly what a "pro" is selling. I read that 10% of the the JMM proceeds are spent on helping get others a better life.


I don't see how any of this has to do with CC, the family he murdered or his employer. But then again I don't equate money and material objects with "rewards" or "success." :confused:

If the ministry takes a fall, it won't be because of CC.


i agree. i wouldn't be because of CC

10%? really?

Regarding Compensation of Dave and Joyce Meyer - Joyce Meyer Ministries takes extra steps to ensure trust and confidence in giving for the partners and friends of the ministry. Each year, a complete, independent financial audit of the ministry’s activities is provided and made public. Joyce Meyer’s personal compensation is a part of this audit and the information provided. (Click here to view 2004-2007 financial reports.) Joyce Meyer does not receive any royalties or any form of compensation as a result of ministry sales of audio and video tapes, books, CDs, DVDs or any other form of media. In addition, Joyce Meyer does not receive the honorariums personally given to her as a result of the numerous speaking engagements she accepts each year. She requests these honorariums be given directly to the ministry.


Regarding the Stewardship of Ministry Funds for Ministry Purposes - To ensure the most effective use of ministry funds, Joyce Meyer Ministries has never accrued debt and is committed to operating debt-free for future endeavors. In 2006, 82 percent of all ministry funds received were used for outreach and program services directed at reaching people with the Gospel of Jesus Christ and meeting the physical needs of the less fortunate all over the world. The ministry used 13 percent for administrative purposes, and just 5 percent was used for fund-raising activities. For 2007, the ministry is on track to maintain this level of stewardship and, because of the generosity of its partners and friends, will be increasing its global missions budget to more than $28 million. These specific mission endeavors to people of developing nations and the USA include feeding the poor, providing clothing for children and families, prisoner outreaches, drilling freshwater wells, ministering to the elderly, building new homes for the homeless, and caring for widows and orphans. (Click here to view reports of these mission endeavors.)

http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/FinancialAccountability/whatwedo.htm

[~jomomma~]

Not that it matters. There is no excuse for what CC is alleged to have done to his family.


~respectfully snipped~

i agree Anelle......

i'm copying my post from last night. do you know if there was anymore reported on the glove? we don't know for sure that it's related to this case, do we? or do we? i might've missed it.

i'm wondering if they arrested him more on the info that came back on the time of death, proving it wasn't after he left.

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it's been reported it was a latex glove, correct? we haven't heard any more than that, have we? i might've missed it if there was any more reported.

there are so many different kinds of latex gloves. i'm just wondering if we know just what kind it is.

if it's a medical latex, those come in powdered and powder free. these, you have to pull them off from the wrist and they will be inside out.

if this is the kind it was, i am so hoping CC's prints are there. what i'm also hoping is if the glove was inside out, sheri's or the boy's dna would be on the outside (well, it'd be inside when found). i don't know much about strangulation but would there be any saliva or blood? there may even be hair.

man, he wouldn't be able to come up with much defense if this was the case! there's no way he could say he had the gloves at his house and an intruder used them. i am assuming he used the gloves while strangling them.....or would he have just used it for the painting?

so many question, i know. i'm not sure if it's even coming out right.

i've been googling latex gloves and there are industrial/automotive latex... latex coated....etc

[CC I See]

~respectfully snipped~

i agree Anelle......

i'm copying my post from last night. do you know if there was anymore reported on the glove? we don't know for sure that it's related to this case, do we? or do we? i might've missed it.

i'm wondering if they arrested him more on the info that came back on the time of death, proving it wasn't after he left.

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it's been reported it was a latex glove, correct? we haven't heard any more than that, have we? i might've missed it if there was any more reported.

there are so many different kinds of latex gloves. i'm just wondering if we know just what kind it is.

if it's a medical latex, those come in powdered and powder free. these, you have to pull them off from the wrist and they will be inside out.

if this is the kind it was, i am so hoping CC's prints are there. what i'm also hoping is if the glove was inside out, sheri's or the boy's dna would be on the outside (well, it'd be inside when found). i don't know much about strangulation but would there be any saliva or blood? there may even be hair.

man, he wouldn't be able to come up with much defense if this was the case! there's no way he could say he had the gloves at his house and an intruder used them. i am assuming he used the gloves while strangling them.....or would he have just used it for the painting?

so many question, i know. i'm not sure if it's even coming out right.

i've been googling latex gloves and there are industrial/automotive latex... latex coated....etc

I don't know where I read it but what I read or thought that I heard was that the glove was probably the kind that people use to wash dishes. The yellow kind.

This is unsubstantiated as yet, but if it was, those gloves slip on and off easily. Also, his prints may not be on the outside where one hand pulled the other glove off if that hand also had a glove on it.

There should also be a long sleeve shirt to go with the gloves that is missing. If this was planned like we are assuming, a person would also wear a shirt like this while spray painting the message on the wall. This then would be discarded along with the gloves.

LE is being very tight lipped about the glove so having this information will probably only be furnished on a need to know bases.

[darcie]

Family of Sheri Coleman to file suit today

The family of Sheri Coleman plans to file a wrongful-death lawsuit today against her husband, Christopher Coleman, who is accused of killing her and their two sons in their home in Columbia, Ill.

Enrico J. Mirabelli, a Chicago lawyer who is a cousin of Sheri Coleman, said the filing will be accompanied by a press conference in front of the Monroe County Courthouse in Waterloo between 10:30 and 11 a.m. Her brother, Mario Weiss, also is expected to attend.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/5C31790CCE1C8356862575C2003C090C?OpenDocument