Ventura, CA.preg.woman & husb.[Brock & Davina Husted]stabbed to death in their home

[Jayne]

son observed it..woke his sister and fled from the house..

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/ventura-murder.html

what is going on with people?

Triple murder here...perp was allegedly wearing a motorcycle helmet...

things are getting out of hand...
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jmo

J

[starling]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ventura-slayings22-2009may22,0,3642542.story

:rose: :rose:

[TBIBeg]

son observed it..woke his sister and fled from the house..

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/ventura-murder.html

what is going on with people?

Triple murder here...perp was allegedly wearing a motorcycle helmet...

things are getting out of hand...

jmo

J

I just don't think this was random, but who knows. The statement by the neighbor down the street that they heard someone in their house too may mean it was just a random thrill kill.

:shrug: Crazy!

[dkny]

I just don't think this was random, but who knows. The statement by the neighbor down the street that they heard someone in their house too may mean it was just a random thrill kill.

:shrug: Crazy!

Or mistaken identity jmo... What houseguest comes in @ 4AM ?

[Track292003]

Or mistaken identity jmo... What houseguest comes in @ 4AM ?

My understanding is that the neighbor heard furniture being moved around and doors opening and closing around 10 or 10:30 and assumed it was their houseguest making the sounds. Actually, the houseguest was on the way to that residence but was held up by the blockade that police set up when the crime was reported, and that was what caused the houseguest to be delayed until 4 a.m.

JMO.

[Track292003]

I started this thread because I would like a weekend board for new information, ideas, etc., re: the murders of this California couple and their unborn child.

There is some interesting information being posted on another forum, including the (possible) connection with the husband-father and some organized crime activities on the part of his older family members. Also, the couple are said to have been like "rock stars," with many Hollywood types patronizing their business and becoming their friends.

Thanks!

[Barbara2]

Here is one article:

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/may/21/morning-report-double-homicide-at-faria-beach/

They are saying that it seems random.

[Track292003]

Here is one article:

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/may/21/morning-report-double-homicide-at-faria-beach/

They are saying that it seems random.

Thank you, Barbara2. That paper covers the incident on line every day, and today they are just saying that "the investigation continues...." or words to that effect. Nothing more, apparently.

[airportwoman]

This sounds like quite an interesting story. Keep us posted on it, will you? Why would someone kill the parents but not the kids, especially one who witnessed him entering the house?

The mom was 6 months pregnant.

:rose:

[Jayne]

Here is one article:

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/may/21/morning-report-double-homicide-at-faria-beach/

They are saying that it seems random.

maybe it's random..I posted something about this..then this one took over..it's fine..with that

Random...why would someone come off the shores...kill these people..a neighbor hears "shuffling" around her/his house with a guest..that wasn't even there..albeit unbeknownst to them..until the guest was let through at 4 am? what's up with that??

He had a business....people are being laid off...people are crazy...beach people..who they are..might be looking for Money or Food..but to KILL two people? I don't think so..I don't think this was "random"..

I think they'll find someone connected to his business.. just my thoughts..right now..OR..someone who was savvy enough to read about it and use it to their advantage?

jmo

J

[dkny]

My understanding is that the neighbor heard furniture being moved around and doors opening and closing around 10 or 10:30 and assumed it was their houseguest making the sounds. Actually, the houseguest was on the way to that residence but was held up by the blockade that police set up when the crime was reported, and that was what caused the houseguest to be delayed until 4 a.m.

JMO.

Okay that makes sense. Horrible for the children. IMO

[n/t]

maybe it's random..I posted something about this..then this one took over..it's fine..with that

Random...why would someone come off the shores...kill these people..a neighbor hears "shuffling" around her/his house with a guest..that wasn't even there..albeit unbeknownst to them..until the guest was let through at 4 am? what's up with that??

He had a business....people are being laid off...people are crazy...beach people..who they are..might be looking for Money or Food..but to KILL two people? I don't think so..I don't think this was "random"..

I think they'll find someone connected to his business.. just my thoughts..right now..OR..someone who was savvy enough to read about it and use it to their advantage?

jmo

J


I don't think it's random either.

[Lianasmom]

This is awful.

I wonder why nobody heard anything. You'd think someone would have heard blood curdling screams at 10:30 p.m. I'm trying to determine if these were condos or single family homes.

If it was a random or contract killing, it seems like the perp might have used a gun. I read some of the comments to one of the articles. Some suggested it could be a person strung out on meth, or someone angry who was laid off by the husband, or one of the remodeling contractors.

It's just horrible. The poor children.

[Lianasmom]

O.K., I see they are individual homes.

[anais2005]

I wonder if the murderer saw the young boy, if he did not see the boy run to his sister then he may not have known he left live witnesses behind, this goes to a random killer - who did not know that two children were in the home when he killed the parents,

if it was a deliberate murder of specified victims then why leave the children alive, as they may or may not be able to give LE information that points to the murderer

If somebody was hired to kill either one or both parents then by choosing to kill them in the home would probably mean the kids would be included in the murders as why leave behind anybody who could help LE to catch you

if it was a contract killing then the parents could have been killed at another time and place away from the home and the children

the leaving alive the children to me points to a random killing, but then this is just an opinion and nothing that murderers do suprises me anymore

[Lianasmom]

The perp goes into the home armed with a knife and kills two adults. How did he know they didn't have a gun in the house or how many adults were in there? And he manages to overtake two adults, killing them. I'm surprised he didn't go after the children too. I can only imagine these people's last thoughts were for the safety of their children. How horrible. I'm leaning toward a random attack by someone on drugs, maybe meth. I just hope they catch whoever did it.

[Track292003]

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[QUOTE=anais2005;13142160]I wonder if the murderer saw the young boy, if he did not see the boy run to his sister then he may not have known he left live witnesses behind, this goes to a random killer - who did not know that two children were in the home when he killed the parents....
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This is an excellent idea! We have no way of knowing the floor plan of the house, so it could well be that the boy managed to get to his sister's bedroom without being seen by the intruder.

Thanks!

[dgfred]

The perp goes into the home armed with a knife and kills two adults. How did he know they didn't have a gun in the house or how many adults were in there? And he manages to overtake two adults, killing them. I'm surprised he didn't go after the children too. I can only imagine these people's last thoughts were for the safety of their children. How horrible. I'm leaning toward a random attack by someone on drugs, maybe meth. I just hope they catch whoever did it.

Seems someone would have seen a suspicious character about. It is a very close knit area with only the one road in it looks like from google maps. Looks like maybe a camper area to the north of the street, but I couldn't really tell for sure. Sure is a vicious murder to be just random, but you never know. Seems like if the victims were originally in different rooms, and were killed in the same room there might have been some discussion between them and the killer. If is was random... those are the scariest ones to me. Someone just up and kills you out of the clear blue.

[Lianasmom]

Seems someone would have seen a suspicious character about. It is a very close knit area with only the one road in it looks like from google maps. Looks like maybe a camper area to the north of the street, but I couldn't really tell for sure. Sure is a vicious murder to be just random, but you never know. Seems like if the victims were originally in different rooms, and were killed in the same room there might have been some discussion between them and the killer. If is was random... those are the scariest ones to me. Someone just up and kills you out of the clear blue.

Reminds me of the Manson murders (if it was random). It's creepy too that a neighbor heard someone in their house, they could have been victims too.

[dgfred]

Going into random houses with a knife looking to steal is an excellent way to get shot to pieces... wonder if something else was going on here?

[n/t]

Going into random houses with a knife looking to steal is an excellent way to get shot to pieces... wonder if something else was going on here?

<bolding mine>

It wasn't a burglary. I don't understand your post.

[Jayne]

<bolding mine>

It wasn't a burglary. I don't understand your post.

Right, as far as we know it wasn't a "burglary"..but technically it was a breaking and entering..maybe he intended to steal...but ended up killing? Having demanded money..stabbed them during a scuffle, realized the kids had run out of the house..so then ran after them..going into that neighbor's house..figuring the children might have run in there? Maybe a bit too dramatic..but could be..a neighbor heard scuffling around in their "guest's room" shortly afterward...so perhaps the perp..when he didn't find the kids there..just kept running? Apparently the kids had run to a different neighbor's house to get help/911?

It still seems very strange to me to be a "random" thing, unless the person was "high on something"..just out for kicks..and that sort of makes a bit of sense with the neighbor hearing things in their house..I guess later? I sort of get the post you replied to..if going to steal..knives aren't the best protection, I suppose, but they do draw a lot less attention than a gun going off..and with the distance between the homes there one might not hear screaming, if even there was any? And, well, It could have been "preplanned/set up/by someone with revenge on their mind" and set up to look like a 'beach bum' did a random killing? Coming in from that area..rather than any access road?

jmo

J

[n/t]

Right, as far as we know it wasn't a "burglary"..but technically it was a breaking and entering..maybe he intended to steal...but ended up killing? Having demanded money..stabbed them during a scuffle, realized the kids had run out of the house..so then ran after them..going into that neighbor's house..figuring the children might have run in there? Maybe a bit too dramatic..but could be..a neighbor heard scuffling around in their "guest's room" shortly afterward...so perhaps the perp..when he didn't find the kids there..just kept running? Apparently the kids had run to a different neighbor's house to get help/911?

It still seems very strange to me to be a "random" thing, unless the person was "high on something"..just out for kicks..and that sort of makes a bit of sense with the neighbor hearing things in their house..I guess later? I sort of get the post you replied to..if going to steal..knives aren't the best protection, I suppose, but they do draw a lot less attention than a gun going off..and with the distance between the homes there one might not hear screaming, if even there was any? And, well, It could have been "preplanned/set up/by someone with revenge on their mind" and set up to look like a 'beach bum' did a random killing? Coming in from that area..rather than any access road?

jmo

J


Do we know anything about the knife wounds? Were their throats slashed? ugh! I hated typing that but I think the knife wounds may tell a story. If it was revenge type of crime?

Pat Brown did mention it could be a random schizophrenic person who saw a light and entered the house. I'm having a difficult time with this being random. As far as I know (from media reports), nothing was stolen. :shrug:

[Adalena935]

I wonder if the murderer saw the young boy, if he did not see the boy run to his sister then he may not have known he left live witnesses behind, this goes to a random killer - who did not know that two children were in the home when he killed the parents,

if it was a deliberate murder of specified victims then why leave the children alive, as they may or may not be able to give LE information that points to the murderer

If somebody was hired to kill either one or both parents then by choosing to kill them in the home would probably mean the kids would be included in the murders as why leave behind anybody who could help LE to catch you

if it was a contract killing then the parents could have been killed at another time and place away from the home and the children

the leaving alive the children to me points to a random killing, but then this is just an opinion and nothing that murderers do suprises me anymore

I'm speculating the killer didn't see the boy. Thank heaven's he didn't kill the children. I've heard/read of cases where hit men left children alive. But who knows in this case. It's true that contract killers can kill any time/place they want or that the buyer pays for possibly. I have no idea why killers kill in the time/place they do rather than in another time and place. It's hard not to wonder about it.

[Adalena935]

Seems someone would have seen a suspicious character about. It is a very close knit area with only the one road in it looks like from google maps. Looks like maybe a camper area to the north of the street, but I couldn't really tell for sure. Sure is a vicious murder to be just random, but you never know. Seems like if the victims were originally in different rooms, and were killed in the same room there might have been some discussion between them and the killer. If is was random... those are the scariest ones to me. Someone just up and kills you out of the clear blue.

Yes, random are the scariest and the most difficult for LE to solve from what I've heard on real life crime shows on television. LE has their work cut out for them on this one. Good they have a witness. At least that's a start. If the guy had a helmet, I'm thinking he had his bike parked aways away to hop on for a getaway.

couple in business (business contacts + people who knew of their existence thru business contacts.
recent remodeling (workers + those who got wind of the place thru a worker)
recently up for sale (public knowledge of the house from any potential buyers + anyone getting wind of the house thru innocent talk of the house by any interested party + innocent talk of the house thru real estate people)
House in a gated community that backs up to a beach (wonder if the beach is public or pvt?)
Back of the house that backs up to the beach is left unlocked.

You know, that makes no sense to live in a gated community for security, then leave your sliding door unlocked.

The kids might have innocently spoken of the house for sale to school chums, who innocently may have told of the house to uncles and such and all the friends or ears this information may have gone across.

Still, I'm confident they'll solve it. Just a matter of time the way I see it. Some crimes seem so impossible to solve; get solved.

A huge circle of people who could have knowledge about this house. Also it could've been random. I once heard an ex-burglar say he went around checking doors and "...you'd be surprised how many people don't lock their doors ...." He said he'd go out and just try doors and burgled the ones he found unlocked.

In this case nothing said about anything stolen. That doesn't mean it wasn't a burglary. Could be a hit. Bet LE's looking into who might have wanted them dead.

The way the little boy saw the initial confrontation between his parents and the killer, doesn't it remind you of BTK (Dennis Rader) where the children were in the house and escaped out the bathroom window. It sounds to me like the boy gave LE more information about what he heard & saw than what they're releasing. Bet more will be known later & I bet that supposed info will help catch the killer.

I hope they're not baffled. This really seems like a mystery.

[Adalena935]

Do we know anything about the knife wounds? Were their throats slashed? ugh! I hated typing that but I think the knife wounds may tell a story. If it was revenge type of crime?

Pat Brown did mention it could be a random schizophrenic person who saw a light and entered the house. I'm having a difficult time with this being random. As far as I know (from media reports), nothing was stolen. :shrug:

I wonder why Pat Brown would speculate it to be a schizophrenic person? They don't usually ride motorcycles and the gear, do they? This guy had on all black and a motorcycle helmet. I think he had a motorcycle parked aways off (hence, neighbor didn't hear it) and he was at least moderately practiced since he was dressed in the usual burglar attire of all black with his face obscured.

If he had a dark face mask on his helmet, no wonder he didn't kill the boy even if he knew the kids saw or might see him. They couldn't ID him if they couldn't see his face. Sounds like it could be a contract killing.

Most people have children initially in their 20's. These victims were both 42. That means they could have older children. I wonder about that just for the knowledge of it. I've seen contract killings (power privlidge & justice) that appeared random until it was learned older children stood to inherit life insurance if both the adults were dead.

[Adalena935]

Days around Memorial day weekend with the camp sites and numerous motorcycles seen. This sounds like it's going to be a tough case. Easy access thru the hwy's & easy access via the beach to the house. It could be anybody. How very sad.

It could be random. LE said the killer came from the beach. But what's the motive? Sounds like Richard Ramirez in the way he just entered houses with available access (open windows)

I sure wish people would make use of their security systems. Surely a home in that area would have one.

[Details]

It sounds similar to the trucker murders that they recently found. The story about the trucker who had apparently been randomly killing people - at truckstops, and in their homes - same way - a knife.

Odds say they knew the person - but there are random killers out there. This could have been one of them.

[Adalena935]

It sounds similar to the trucker murders that they recently found. The story about the trucker who had apparently been randomly killing people - at truckstops, and in their homes - same way - a knife.

Odds say they knew the person - but there are random killers out there. This could have been one of them.

Yes it's so hard to say Details. One link I read said their house is the 5th one down from the campground. So I've been looking at airel maps.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Ventura&state=CA&address=4200+Faria+Rd&zipcode=93001-9711&country=US&latitude=34.318106&longitude=-119.3879&geocode=ADDRESS#a/maps/l::4200+Faria+Rd:Ventura:CA:93001-9711:US:34.318106:-119.3879:address::1/m:hyb:11:34.31808:-119.387943:0:::::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e

Hope that works, if not at mapquest type in 4200 Fiera Road, Ventura CA and click on airel map. Pacific Coast Hwy (101) is to the East of them & the beach to the West. Very easy access. 101 runs the whole length of California. It could be anyone from anywhere. When I mentioned it to my husband he said; "..sounds like a hit.."

You can move the map around. LE said in one link that their patio is open to the beach & there's a stairway from the patio leading down to the beach. You can see it in the airal map if you zoom in and count 5 houses over. 10:30p.m. strikes me as early for a killing spree. It's civil twilight until about 8:30p.m. I think they were waiting for nightfall and knew that particular house would be open from the beach side. How convenient. Not a likely place for a random killer to off parents silently with a knife, while leaving the children alive. Seems more likely random intruders wait 'til they know it's likely the family will be in deep sleep in the early a.m. hours.

[Adalena935]

I think gated communities have the potential to give people a false sense of security.

I'm starting to think these people were not randomally killed.

[Jayne]

Wow, Adalena..thanks for the aerial map. I always forget about those! This place is halfway from where I "used to-recently" live and Ventura...like you said, it is essentially "on the beach"..the Pacific Coast Highway (#1) runs behind their house (much closer than the 101) and I believe is the access road to the RV/camper area just W of where their house is located. It appears it wouldn't be so difficult for someone to enter from that area on foot..wonder if the LE checked out that place for any evidence of a motorcyclist (or perhaps the helmet was a "red herring"?) or suspicious..quick to leave person...that night? that stretch of highway between Ventura and Carpinteria is rather "barren" unless down in those "gated" or beach communities.

I hope they find the person and that the little boy and girl are doing OK with family members. How sad..young couple, pregnant, and two young kids now without parents, PLUS having witnessed the parents being attacked. I'm guessing a "hit" attempted to appear as a random..beach access, crazed individual. Yet, maybe it was. Many years ago..I refused to stop at those beach rest places..or EVER to allow my kid to go in alone..he always went in the lady's room With Me...there had been attacks (rape/murders) of kids in restrooms at those beach areas and rest stops..mid nineties..several of them in this area. Scared me so, with my little guy - I carried a "portapotty" in the car.

jmo

J

[Adalena935]

Scuse me, I see it was french doors the killer entered through. I was wondering. High end homes, nobody uses sliding doors much anymore.

[Lianasmom]

Do we know anything about the knife wounds? Were their throats slashed? ugh! I hated typing that but I think the knife wounds may tell a story. If it was revenge type of crime?

Pat Brown did mention it could be a random schizophrenic person who saw a light and entered the house. I'm having a difficult time with this being random. As far as I know (from media reports), nothing was stolen. :shrug:

You would think someone so brazen as to walk into a home and kill two people would take the time to steal some things (if it was a burglary), especially a multi-million dollar home with obvious values. This one is going to be interesting.

[Adalena935]

Wow, Adalena..thanks for the aerial map. I always forget about those! This place is halfway from where I "used to-recently" live and Ventura...like you said, it is essentially "on the beach"..the Pacific Coast Highway (#1) runs behind their house (much closer than the 101) and I believe is the access road to the RV/camper area just W of where their house is located. It appears it wouldn't be so difficult for someone to enter from that area on foot..wonder if the LE checked out that place for any evidence of a motorcyclist (or perhaps the helmet was a "red herring"?) or suspicious..quick to leave person...that night? that stretch of highway between Ventura and Carpinteria is rather "barren" unless down in those "gated" or beach communities.

I hope they find the person and that the little boy and girl are doing OK with family members. How sad..young couple, pregnant, and two young kids now without parents, PLUS having witnessed the parents being attacked. I'm guessing a "hit" attempted to appear as a random..beach access, crazed individual. Yet, maybe it was. Many years ago..I refused to stop at those beach rest places..or EVER to allow my kid to go in alone..he always went in the lady's room With Me...there had been attacks (rape/murders) of kids in restrooms at those beach areas and rest stops..mid nineties..several of them in this area. Scared me so, with my little guy - I carried a "portapotty" in the car.

jmo

J

You're right it's hwy 1 that runs closest to the beach. I remember the beach rest room murder of one boy. Wasn't that down around Costa Mesa way? Oh my. That trial was live on court tv. That horrible young man said he just wanted to see someone die. You know I've been in rest rooms where women brought in their boys in their early teens and no one minded. We didn't blame them one bit. I never let my sons in a rest room alone either. You're very smart. There's some terrible people in the world.

It sounds like a hit made to appear random to me, also. My heart breaks for these poor children. I thank God Almighty they got away. But what a horrible thing for that poor little guy to have witnessed. The news links say the little boy witnessed the beginning of the attack. What's conspicuously missing is what did he see and hear? I think LE is keeping the details under raps. Says they were both stabbed multiple times. That's up close and personal. Not a first time killer in my opinion. Two victims both killed with a knife.

leannsmom made a good catch by asking how did he know they didn't have guns in the house. 1st of all he knew he'd catch them off guard. He was very callous, cunning, calculating and sure of himself. Not the least bit rattled. He sounds like a professional killer to me. His means of transportation is a motorcycle I think from his garment and helmet. No one heard a motorcycle, which tells me he had it in a place where no one would question a motorcycle at that time of evening. He could've washed off in the ocean easily. Hence, no signs of blood in the RV park rest room that LE checked. I hope they catch him soon.

[Jayne]

Scuse me, I see it was french doors the killer entered through. I was wondering. High end homes, nobody uses sliding doors much anymore.

I didn't recall if it was French or Patio..but if I recall correctly the entry was through an opened "patio door"..wasn't that it? so could be french doors or sliding. I don't know Adalena..high end you'd think would have high end security regardless of what kind of doors. Many of those homes on the beaches do have sliding doors to the balconies or patios that face the ocean..for the view and easy access (oops?!) to go Outside is the intent, I'm sure..not for someone to enter. The entry was from the beach side..but who knows where the intruder actually "came from"..around from the back..down the beach? Wouldn't french doors have a screen behind them? lots of bugs?!

I just wonder..if people who live in gated, security, communities and in high end homes just feel a bit "too secure" - enough to not lock their homes/windows? Really sad. Gosh..if one side of my gated/security house was on the beach..with essentially no security, everything would be locked, including the screen door..yet..a knife can split a screen without much noise? Which makes me wonder...had it been "cased"? Or just a chance random desperate, crazed person on the loose?

jmo

J

[Details]

Guns don't help someone caught by surprise while asleep in the middle of the night - nothing does. The trucker serial killer just used knives, went plenty of places where you'd assume they'd have a gun - killed way too many before he was caught by chance.

[Adalena935]

It sounds similar to the trucker murders that they recently found. The story about the trucker who had apparently been randomly killing people - at truckstops, and in their homes - same way - a knife.

Odds say they knew the person - but there are random killers out there. This could have been one of them.

Thanks for telling about the trucker murders. I don't know anything about that case, but your mention made me look up any other murders along the coast of CA and there have been a couple. One, the guy's in custody prior to this killing and the other is way up northern CA I believe in 2004. They're seeking a man wanted for 33 years in that case. Seems too old a person to be on a motorcycle. He killed two camp counselors sleeping out in the open. No others in the news similar to this case. Anyway peaked my curiosity as to any other unsolved murders along the CA coast. To tell you the truth, I think most go unreported in the news.

[Details]

Yeah - there are plenty of murders that don't make the news and are never solved. I don't think this guy is any of the trucker suspects - but it seems a similar thing. Someone who passes through, uses distance to conceal his crimes. A hard person to catch, if so.

Stats remain - it'll probably turn out to be someone they knew - but a stranger is also entirely possible.

[Adalena935]

Guns don't help someone caught by surprise while asleep in the middle of the night - nothing does. The trucker serial killer just used knives, went plenty of places where you'd assume they'd have a gun - killed way too many before he was caught by chance.

You're right that most victims never get a chance to get to their gun in time even if they have one. Criminals know their own plans, but victims can't know ahead of time and criminals count on the element of surprise.

The way it's said he attacked the woman first when she was in the kitchen, the boy watching American Idol on tv and the man in another room. That's brazen to say the least. He's done this before and my guess he's very comfortable doing this and has done it more than once before now. Multiple victims, all awake in the home. my my my

He may have never said anything to the wife/mother. He may have just silenced her by cutting her throat from behind. That would be the quickest way to silence a person I would imagine. Then on to the next. He had to have known the little boy was watching tv. He must've heard the tv. He wasn't worried about being seen in the act and he never intended to kill anyone except the two he did kill.

When something like this happens it's common for people to say they had no known enemies. But somebody sure wanted them dead. Most men of his means make financial arrangements for their children soon after birth. I can't imagine older siblings (if any) wanting money, but willing to share with the younger kids. So that doesn't seem a very good motive. There's always a motive. This one's frustrating and not readily apparent.

I did wake up by chance with intruders. Lucky me. People have a right to be safe in their homes. At least with weapons we might have a sporting chance. I sure hope they catch this guy. It seems as if he acted alone doesn't it?

[Adalena935]

Yeah - there are plenty of murders that don't make the news and are never solved. I don't think this guy is any of the trucker suspects - but it seems a similar thing. Someone who passes through, uses distance to conceal his crimes. A hard person to catch, if so.

Stats remain - it'll probably turn out to be someone they knew - but a stranger is also entirely possible.

Oh my gosh when I lived in Los Angeles people I knew told me of so many crimes and even murders of their family or friends that never got in the news. I guess a person would have to read the police logs to know. A lot of people killed for their paychecks after they cash them. A lot of murders over drugs and often unsuspecting friends or family don't know the victims have been engaged in such activities.

I agree stranger in this case is entirely possible. It's such a bizarre thing for someone to stride into a home and kill the occupants. There's no talk of robbery of any sort although cops may have withheld the info if it applies. Altho Richard Ramirez (the night stalker) did it. Just to be killing.

[Adalena935]

I don't know if anyone saw the photo gallery link that was on one of the news articles posted upthread. It's the tan home with the red tile roof. Jayne, In one link in this thread it said it was french doors on the patio he entered thru. I don't know if they had screens but I've never seen french doors with screens in recent years. I don't recall many airborne bugs at the beach. Usually there's a breeze. Thinking about it now, I guess I assumed it blew them away. It surprised me you mentioned bugs. At any rate, they're scarce enough to never give them a thought, or it seems so to me.

In the photo gallery, there's a lovely photo of the couple. Looking at all the photos and the neighbors and the area one doesn't get the feeling they're murder victims in their future. They say a picture is worth a thousand words. What sense do all you other posters get by looking at the couple's photo? I get the feeling someone knew them did this. A spurned lover on the side? A fatal attraction? It's not the kind of place a random murderer would target I don't think. So many places along the CA coast so much more easily accessable and likely than this. This is so up close & personal it seems; what do LE people say, rage killing. Both stabbed multiple times.

http://www.venturacountystar.com/photos/galleries/2009/may/21/couple-killed-faria-beach-home/1151/

Photo Gallery

[Adalena935]

I didn't recall if it was French or Patio..but if I recall correctly the entry was through an opened "patio door"..wasn't that it?

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It says french doors on the patio on the beach. That's where LE says the killer entered & left from. This is such a scary crime. I agree with the neighbor. The more you think of it the creepier it becomes. This story has more info than I've read previously. Maybe I just didn't read down to the bottom before. I'm creeped out. I pray they catch this monster soon.

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/may/21/couple-stabbed-to-death-in-faria-beach-home/

[n/t]

Oh my gosh when I lived in Los Angeles people I knew told me of so many crimes and even murders of their family or friends that never got in the news. I guess a person would have to read the police logs to know. A lot of people killed for their paychecks after they cash them. A lot of murders over drugs and often unsuspecting friends or family don't know the victims have been engaged in such activities.

I agree stranger in this case is entirely possible. It's such a bizarre thing for someone to stride into a home and kill the occupants. There's no talk of robbery of any sort although cops may have withheld the info if it applies. Altho Richard Ramirez (the night stalker) did it. Just to be killing.

How do the cops know this wasn't a robbery? What if they stashed money in the home and this guy knew exactly where to go? Also, if there was jewelry and if anything was taken? Their children are young so I doubt they knew what the parents had. :shrug:

Do they have any other children not living with them?

[n/t]

Ignore my previous post. I just read the article in the link Adalena posted. LE hasn't ruled out robbery.

Also noteworthy is their home was up for sale. I think they should check anyone who had visited the home.

I pray they find who did this.

[Adalena935]

How do the cops know this wasn't a robbery? What if they stashed money in the home and this guy knew exactly where to go? Also, if there was jewelry and if anything was taken? Their children are young so I doubt they knew what the parents had. :shrug:

Do they have any other children not living with them?

Howdy n/t. I see your other post to me. Yes I don't think at this point police have ruled out any possibility re; robbery as motive. It's such a haunting and horrible crime.

Nothing I've read said anything about older children not living in the home. Since the couple is in their 40's with very young children I'm thinking it's possible there might be adult children living out of the home. I'd really like to know. Was one of the first questions that came to my mind.

It's amazing there's at least one witness to the crime. That rarely happens with murder. I wonder if the killer said anything to the little boy's Mother? I'm assuming he killed them relatively fast.

Did you see where a neighbor told police someone had been in her home, but the police ruled it not connected to this crime. I don't know how they can do that so fast. Reminded me of what the Manson family called creepy crawley espeditions. They'd break and enter homes, then come back another time if it suited them and do their dirty work.

This feels so much like they were purposely targeted, rather than random. But I wouldn't swear to it. I know it could be random, which is the scariest.

[Adalena935]

LE is now saying the couple was targeted. Another interesting but trivial note is this news story says the door was a sliding glass door whereas other news reports said it was french doors. Also, LE said they initially believed the 9 year old boy saw the attack, but now they're saying he ran into another room immediately to be with his sister and did not see the attack.

What spooked him? Most kids think someone in the house is visiting and okay with the parents. He had to have known something wasn't right and that the guy was an intruder. Unless - the cops know things we don't know about the child's knowledge of the intruder. Was there a dispute the child knew of and recognized the person's garb or what? But that's just me thinking out loud.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-ventura-double-homicide,0,5523875.story

Detectives: Ventura Couple Targeted by Killer

[Adalena935]

Wow 35 volunteers helped Sheriff's scour transient campgrounds near slayed couple's beachfront home. At least they have the murder weapon; the knife as some evidence (links upthread). Obviously they're looking for other clues. Sounds like they're making progress if they believe they were targeted, rather than a random murder.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,521281,00.html

California Campgrounds Searched After Murders of Pregnant Woman, Husband

[Adalena935]

This case seems like a jealous rage killing to me.

[Track292003]

This case seems like a jealous rage killing to me.

Can you speculate about what the relationship could be between the perpetrator and the victims? Jealousy over the victims' business and social success?

I truly do not understand this incident, but grieve deeply for the children and hope for more information that might shed light on the situation.

Do we even know how many search warrants were issued?

[GentleBreeze]

This case seems like a jealous rage killing to me.

I would have immediately thought that years ago but I no longer use that as a guide that the murders were personal.

I have seen so many defendants that did not know their victims from Adam's house cat that have done notorious murders that seemed to be filled with rage.

Maybe more and more these perps are filled with their own personal inner rage before they ever step into a home to do their evil deed upon innocent unsuspecting victims.

imoo

[Jayne]

Had to drive up past that way yesterday, so deliberately took notice of the area, camping areas, etc. There is the one they describe quite close, then farther west, up the coast, there are others and the area known as Seacliff, Faria is closer to Ventura area, about 5 miles no. it seems. It's dense vegetation, more or less, behind the Faria area and between there and the campsite area. The direct access to either, at opposite ends, is by PCH Route 1, not the 101, but by vehicle wouldn't take too long to skoot up to the 101 in either direction. Could the guy have been on a jetski? Would anyone have noticed or cared? Especially at that campsite?

People are crazed with the layoffs, lack of jobs, losing their homes, and consequently many of them losing their families because of it. I've heard and read of so many just "losing it" and killing people, even their own families and then themselves. Maybe this killer is somehow connected with the father's business directly or indirectly, lost a job, wasn't hired. Or has felt the frustration, depression, anger over any particular situation and just targeted "rich/well to do" randomly? Or just plain evil?

jmo

J

[Adalena935]

Can you speculate about what the relationship could be between the perpetrator and the victims? Jealousy over the victims' business and social success?

I truly do not understand this incident, but grieve deeply for the children and hope for more information that might shed light on the situation.

Do we even know how many search warrants were issued?

I was just speculating about possible romantic jealous rage. I have no idea which partner or what it might have been. I'm just speculating as a possible motive????? No idea. Just guessing about a possible motive.

I haven't had time to read about the search warrants. Had to go out this morning & just got home & will have to go out again soon. I'm anxious to read about the search warrants. I just caught a glimpse of something about it when I googled the case earlier.

[n/t]

Had to drive up past that way yesterday, so deliberately took notice of the area, camping areas, etc. There is the one they describe quite close, then farther west, up the coast, there are others and the area known as Seacliff, Faria is closer to Ventura area, about 5 miles no. it seems. It's dense vegetation, more or less, behind the Faria area and between there and the campsite area. The direct access to either, at opposite ends, is by PCH Route 1, not the 101, but by vehicle wouldn't take too long to skoot up to the 101 in either direction. Could the guy have been on a jetski? Would anyone have noticed or cared? Especially at that campsite?

People are crazed with the layoffs, lack of jobs, losing their homes, and consequently many of them losing their families because of it. I've heard and read of so many just "losing it" and killing people, even their own families and then themselves. Maybe this killer is somehow connected with the father's business directly or indirectly, lost a job, wasn't hired. Or has felt the frustration, depression, anger over any particular situation and just targeted "rich/well to do" randomly? Or just plain evil?

jmo

J

The disgruntled employee did cross my mind or even a business associate.

The wife was the first to get stabbed right? Was it because she was the first person the perp saw or was she the targeted one and then the husband.

Wish we had more answers.

[Adalena935]

I would have immediately thought that years ago but I no longer use that as a guide that the murders were personal.

I have seen so many defendants that did not know their victims from Adam's house cat that have done notorious murders that seemed to be filled with rage.

Maybe more and more these perps are filled with their own personal inner rage before they ever step into a home to do their evil deed upon innocent unsuspecting victims.

imoo

Oh I know what you mean about a lot of cases that seem like jealous rages, when it turns out to be a total stranger. But I didn't immideatly formulate that feeling with this case. And it's just speculation on my part anyway. Just a feeling I have about this particular case.

I almost never think it's jealous rage. But this case I do get that feeling after much thought and having no more evidence than we do. It's just a gut instinct that I can't shake and granted maybe it's not a jealous rage.

I haven't formed any distinct opinion about who might have done it. I think I left that avenue open in my other posts. I truthfully have no idea and know it could well be a stranger as anything else.

Looking at their photos, the house, the area, I just don't get random stranger from this. One news story said another neighbor told police she thought someone had been in her home. That some items were moved around but nothing missing. Police said it's not connected to the killings, but who knows. Maybe somebody has been casing the enclave area from the ocean side and simply picked the house with an unlocked door that night. I must say I'm really curious as to motive and I so hope police can solve this. The longer time that passes with it unsolved, the more I'll think it was a random stranger. I'm so glad the children were unharmed, awful as it is what happened to their parents. The poor little dears. Can't imagine.

I absolutely agree that any killing this brutal can rightly be called rage. But I use the term to indicate someone who might have known them in a romantic way. Either one of them. ?

[Adalena935]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/ventura-murder-1.html


Okay, this is kind of interesting and a little bit more information than we've had before. The little boy said he saw the intruder enter the home from the unlocked door and got into a confrontation with his Mother in the kitchen. She then proceeded down the hallway continuing to be in the confrontation with the intruder at which time her husband came out of a bedroom to come to her aid.

I had wondered if the intruder said anything and apparently he did, since it's reporting a confrontation that began in the kitchen, proceeded in the hallway and ended in the living room with both the parents.

Then the stabbings occured in the living room. The little boy didn't see the actual killings, but fled with his sister after he saw his parent's bodies in the living room.

I wonder if anything was stolen from the house by the intruder. If not, robbery might not have been the motive. If he just came to kill it's odd he didn't all occupants.

If he had a face shield on the motorcycle helmet the little boy might not have been able to identify him. Unless he knew his voice possibly. I shy away from thinking it was a transient because of the motorcycle gear. It was somebody with a purpose and a home base to retreat to I think. I have so many thoughts about the type of person this might have been.

[Adalena935]

The disgruntled employee did cross my mind or even a business associate.

The wife was the first to get stabbed right? Was it because she was the first person the perp saw or was she the targeted one and then the husband.

Wish we had more answers.

We don't know who got stabbed 1st. The wife was the first to be in a confrontation with the killer. Started in the kitchen and proceeded down the hall, where the husband came out of a room he was in. I assume at that time he joined the confrontation between the intruder and his wife. I would really like to know what was said between them.

Seems like a disgruntled employee would confront the man at the business. But not necessarily. It just seems more likely to me. A disgruntled employee is a reasonable guess since the economy has been tanking so bad. Three of my family members are in businesses with supplies, two in real estate and one in escrow and they're dead in the water so to speak. Those businesses are all but defunct due to the stock market crash and credit being so tight. No building, no selling.

All my men cousins ride motorcycles for yrs and have that gear for riding. Eventhough I was raised with them and have seen them many times in their motorcycle gear, I would not recognize them until they're right in my face. The helmets squish their faces up so much from fitting tight to their heads they're unrecognizeable to even me. They've come into my bisinesses unnanounced in that gear and I never recognize them until they start talking to me and are right in my face. If they've gained wt, not got a fresh haircut, unshaven on their days off or whatever. The jumpsuits, jackets especially made for avid riders all look alike. Until they start talking to me they look to me like any other guy in motorcycle gear and that's the truth. They've visited me many times in that manner.

I'm just thinking about what that experience was like for her the first few seconds. If she never knew anyone who wore that gear it's pretty darth vader looking and startling.

I confronted an intruder once and that's the wrong thing to do I learned later of my folly. Luckily the guy didn't hurt me. But at the time I was so young and was outraged because it was my home and not the intruder's home. 1st reaction is not fear, but anger. Was for me anyway. I'm thinking that's what might have happened to her too. I've been told the longer you engage somebody in confrontation like that, the more likely you'll be harmed.

I read one neighbor said there's kooks around the area that residents have dealt with before. Maybe she thought it was just some nut like that and she was going to run him off.

Sounds like it could've been a hired hit too. shrug

[Adalena935]

Maybe the motive was robbery and the intruder didn't expect anyone to be home. But seems like he would've looked in a window first and would have seen/heard that the family was home.

No reason to bring a knife if you think it's an empty house. Altho I have no working notion of what robbers bring to burglaries. When they come in at night like this guy did, they know the house has occupants. The most diabolical are those who come at night when they know people are there.

Anyone just on a stealing mission waits until the kids goto school & Mom & Dad at work or stay at home Mom's like this woman was are gone shopping or away from the home for whatever reason.

[Lianasmom]

Based on your post 57, Adalena, it sounds to me like it wasn't random. I get the impression by the term "confrontation" that they argued. I would think if the perp was there to kill he would have started killing immediately or if it was a burglary, there would be obvious evidence. Originally, I was leaning toward a random act, I don't know. It's just shocking to think someone can start stabbing people to death like that.

[GentleBreeze]

Based on your post 57, Adalena, it sounds to me like it wasn't random. I get the impression by the term "confrontation" that they argued. I would think if the perp was there to kill he would have started killing immediately or if it was a burglary, there would be obvious evidence. Originally, I was leaning toward a random act, I don't know. It's just shocking to think someone can start stabbing people to death like that.

Maybe it was an intruder and when he walked in the unlocked door she was startled and started screaming at him" Who in the h*ll are you? "Get out of this house" and he may have grabbed a kitchen knife and she kept backing up away from him down the hallway hoping her husband would come to her aide?

imo

[Lianasmom]

Maybe it was an intruder and when he walked in the unlocked door she was startled and started screaming at him" Who in the h*ll are you? "Get out of this house" and he may have grabbed a kitchen knife and she kept backing up away from him down the hallway hoping her husband would come to her aide?

imo


Well, that makes sense too. Didn't LE find the weapon (I thought I read that)? If so, was it determined to belong to the victims? That would tell us a lot as to whether it was a situation that escalated to violence or was intentionally violent, imo.

[tv4me]

For some reason this case reminds me of the horrible New Year's case a few years back when the step sister of Steven Culp and her family was murdered. The killers had tried to enter other houses on the street. Her house was chosen because it had the unlocked door. It seemed to be a mixture of robbery and thrill killing. The killers claimed they were high at the time.

I'm wondering if the killer knew there were children in the house. Perhaps this killer was also high and never noticed the kids. I think if he had, he would have tried to kill them too.

I really think this is a random thrill killing with the killer selecting his victims by whether or not the doors were locked.

[n/t]

For some reason this case reminds me of the horrible New Year's case a few years back when the step sister of Steven Culp and her family was murdered. The killers had tried to enter other houses on the street. Her house was chosen because it had the unlocked door. It seemed to be a mixture of robbery and thrill killing. The killers claimed they were high at the time.

I'm wondering if the killer knew there were children in the house. Perhaps this killer was also high and never noticed the kids. I think if he had, he would have tried to kill them too.

I really think this is a random thrill killing with the killer selecting his victims by whether or not the doors were locked.


LE believes they were most likely targeted.

"If we were asked which was the stronger likelihood, it’s that they were targeted -- but we have not ruled out the other possibility,’’ said Capt. Ross Bonfiglio, a spokesman for the Ventura County Sheriff’s Department. Bonfiglio said he could not elaborate without jeopardizing the ongoing investigation.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/ventura-murder-1.html


In the article it says the funeral is today. :rose:

[Nellie]

I'm just trying to catch up on this case, so I'll admit I've read very little about it. How old was their son who saw the intruder? He heard the confrontation, right? Then surely he heard what was being said and could tell the police and that should help pinpoint what the man was there for. I don't like where my mind in going with this. And I don't think it was random.

[n/t]

I'm just trying to catch up on this case, so I'll admit I've read very little about it. How old was their son who saw the intruder? He heard the confrontation, right? Then surely he heard what was being said and could tell the police and that should help pinpoint what the man was there for. I don't like where my mind in going with this. And I don't think it was random.

Boy is 9 years old. His sister is 11.

[n/t]

Very interesting, on May 26th. A&E was going to air The Original Night Stalker but they pulled the show.

http://boards.aetv.com/topic/Do-You-Have/Wednesdays-Airing-Of/700022518

Anybody here have knowledge of Ear-Ons? What is that about?

The Original Night Stalker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Night_Stalker

A possible connection?

[Track292003]

EAR stands for East Area Rapist,who is considered to be responsible for many rapes and some homicides in the area east of Sacramento, California, in the 70s. He is also named the Original Night Stalker.

Some posters wonder if the Husted murders in Ventura were the work of the EAR/ONS -- or perhaps a copycat -- since A&E had run a program on the EAR/ONS about a month before the Ventura murders. I hadn't heard about the May 26 program being cancelled....thanks for that info!

If you go to the Ventura County Star newspaper Web site, and click on the "Most Discussed" articles link, and then click on the title that talks about the Ventura murders, you will -- if I remember correctly -- find references to the A&E programs on YouTube. Very interesting!

MOO.

[Mel]

I'm just trying to catch up on this case, so I'll admit I've read very little about it. How old was their son who saw the intruder? He heard the confrontation, right? Then surely he heard what was being said and could tell the police and that should help pinpoint what the man was there for. I don't like where my mind in going with this. And I don't think it was random.

that's what i'm thinking...i think it's the reason LE thinks they were targeted, but they don't want to jepardize the investigation by saying anything further...i think the son told LE, maybe a small part of what he heard, as far as the confrontation...jmo

[n/t]

EAR stands for East Area Rapist,who is considered to be responsible for many rapes and some homicides in the area east of Sacramento, California, in the 70s. He is also named the Original Night Stalker.

Some posters wonder if the Husted murders in Ventura were the work of the EAR/ONS -- or perhaps a copycat -- since A&E had run a program on the EAR/ONS about a month before the Ventura murders. I hadn't heard about the May 26 program being cancelled....thanks for that info!

If you go to the Ventura County Star newspaper Web site, and click on the "Most Discussed" articles link, and then click on the title that talks about the Ventura murders, you will -- if I remember correctly -- find references to the A&E programs on YouTube. Very interesting!

MOO.


Thanks for that info.

Here's the link for others who want to read.

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/may/28/detectives-believe-killer-targeted-faria-beach/

[n/t]

The similarities are quite chilling and the fact that there are hardly any updates about the murder of this beautiful couple is puzzling to say the least. Are they onto someone? Was this the break they needed to finally catch the Original Night Stalker? Did he leave evidence behind?

Here are some of the similarities in wiki. Someone posted about the similarities in one of the comments in the discussion thread in the Ventura County Star as well. Maybe what the boy saw was not a motorcycle helmet but a welder's helmet??

The home was for sale and located near water. Killer had no motive, and used a motorcycle helmet (ONS is known to have used a welder's helmet on at least one occasion during the East Area Rapes.) As in other ONS cases the expensive single-story home was in a gated community adjacent to Hiway 1. No diamond knot was used. But, ONS is known to change his MO, and no ligatures were used in the Maggiore murders (attributed to EAR). And, it is possible that the murderer was confronted by the victims before he had an opportunity to control the scene.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Night_Stalker

[n/t]

900 at funeral for slain couple

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/may/30/no-headline---nxxfcfuneral31/


So sad :rose:

[n/t]

Investigators search for clues in Faria Beach killings

Investigators probing the killing of Davina and Brock Husted of Ventura searched for evidence Monday in two cars belonging to the couple, as well as at their business address in Santa Barbara, court records show.

The search warrants issued Monday also allowed investigators to examine a boat and two trucks.

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/jun/02/investigators-search-for-clues-in-faria-beach/

[Debb]

This is a disburbing case indeed. I saw a portion of Nancy Grace last night when they were discussing it. It was my understanding from what was reported last night that the boy was seen by the killer and yet the killer did not follow after him or try to harm the boy or his sister. Why? Did he know the boy would not recognize him? Would the boy not recognize him because of the helmet or because he didn't know him? Did the killer wear the helmet to guard against a neigbor seeing him and getting a description or did the killer know the kids would be there and he didn't want them to be able to identify him?

So many questions....

How did this one killer over power two adults? You know they must have been fighting with all their might to protect their children and unborn child.

This is very perplexing.

Any word on survellience cameras from any of the homes? Many people I know have those now. It would be great luck if something turned up, however, with disguise, it might not help much.

[Jayne]

They're probably looking for anything they can find that may link to a person with a motive? I wonder if they'll search employees vehicles, etc. but they'd have to show cause/reason for doing so - as in suspicion and not a wild goose chase. It seems they don't think this was a random event. Having driven through that area recently, it isn't that obvious to just anyone driving by on the 101..but definitely on the PCH, route 1. It's quite a distance to get from the 1 to the 101...whoever did it made a very quick getaway, apparently. I just have a very weird thought that it was via the water...that's why I mentioned way back about a jetski, perhaps..partly as a ridiculous thought but a possibility? And the article didn't mention that Brock owned the boat they searched...I wonder if it was his/the business's or someone else's? 1977 is a rather "old" boat. With he and his wife owning a jag and a merc, it would seem odd that they'd own a 1977 boat. Where was it docked? Ventura? Santa Barbara? That boat could have been 'on the water' the night of the stabbings?

jmo

J

[Jayne]

<snipped>..

How did this one killer over power two adults? You know they must have been fighting with all their might to protect their children and unborn child.

This is very perplexing.

Any word on survellience cameras from any of the homes? Many people I know have those now. It would be great luck if something turned up, however, with disguise, it might not help much.

Debb...it is perplexing...I just posted a weird thought...getaway/entry by the water...probably ridiculous...but I wondered that the moment I read about it.

Surveillance camera..well if they got a slip of someone with a helmet..they could trace the helmet..make, etc. Lots of digging around but it might be a lead..plus the stature of the person..height, weight. I'd guess the cameras would more than likely be mounted on the "drive" side.."little road"..it isn't very wide..than on the beach side...but you'd think with that much money, such an expensive house - they would have had them? I would...gosh I'd have one in a cheap house or a guard dog..I couldn't afford or have either but had those security lights...flood lights..whatever they're called...went on if anyone came near either door of my former cottage...and..paranoid as I've been after several burglaries, etc. in past years...I have chain locks on my doors..and place a slip of paper in the door when leaving. I know..paranoid! Gosh..if the mother only had been frying something or boiling water...just throw it at the intruder...IF she had time. I think he came up behind her so fast and silently..I doubt the kid even knew it until he heard his mother and/or dad yelling/arguing.

I think the average...break in for money, drugs, etc. isn't that savvy...to be stealthy..they go for it and leave no witnesses/survivors. A predator...whether for hire or serial...they have their MO...and they've "practiced". This "guy" knew how to get away...so he's (or she's) done it before, IMO. And..something else "bothers me"...it's almost as if the person who did this (hired? or not?) was either told to not harm the children...or they weren't the target...or time was running out... to get away. But to kill a pregnant woman?

JMO

J

[trigger]

IMO they knew the suspect. Maybe through work or a business deal gone wrong. Hope they check out if he was involved in firing someone. Usually murder so vicious is over a female or male lover, money or jealousy.

[VC2]

just want to mention in response to the poster who wondered if the child confused a motorcycle helmet with a welders helmet with ONS used.

It is an interesting possibility since the husband owns a wrought iron business which i am sure had dealings from the forges right up to delivery.

jmo

[Jayne]

just want to mention in response to the poster who wondered if the child confused a motorcycle helmet with a welders helmet with ONS used.

It is an interesting possibility since the husband owns a wrought iron business which i am sure had dealings from the forges right up to delivery.

jmo

Hmmm..that is kind of interesting...a copy cat? hit man...copying the ONS..throw the LE off the beaten track?

jmo

[Jayne]

A 1977 72 foot Hattaras yacht can be worth upwards of half million dollars with the right eqpipment, facilities and condition. That is not a boat.

HAHA :) Well, obviously I haven't a clue what it is to be wealthy! However..mea culpa..I call it a boat rather than a ship..so did the Ventura paper! And, they didn't indicate that he/they owned it..so it threw me for a loop, hoop and sloop!

jmo

J

[n/t]

just want to mention in response to the poster who wondered if the child confused a motorcycle helmet with a welders helmet with ONS used.

It is an interesting possibility since the husband owns a wrought iron business which i am sure had dealings from the forges right up to delivery.

jmo

OMG! VC2, when I posted about the helmet and the possible connection to ONS, I didn't think of the business aspect.

Welders also wear a jumpsuit, correct? I think we're getting somewhere. The murderer could very well be a disgruntled employee or someone with a connection to the business. This person was wearing a helmet and a jumpsuit. When HLN covered the case, they speculated that he could've worn the helmet & suit to protect his underclothing from blood splatter (DNA) but now I'm wondering if this person was/is an employee?

I apologize if I'm not using the correct term in "jumpsuit" but I think you all know what I mean. Coveralls, etc.

They were stabbed 10 times each. This was rage, imo.

[dkny]

Ten times each ? Wow.. All upper torso correct ? jmo

[Adalena935]

This is a disburbing case indeed. I saw a portion of Nancy Grace last night when they were discussing it. It was my understanding from what was reported last night that the boy was seen by the killer and yet the killer did not follow after him or try to harm the boy or his sister. Why? Did he know the boy would not recognize him? Would the boy not recognize him because of the helmet or because he didn't know him? Did the killer wear the helmet to guard against a neigbor seeing him and getting a description or did the killer know the kids would be there and he didn't want them to be able to identify him?

So many questions....

How did this one killer over power two adults? You know they must have been fighting with all their might to protect their children and unborn child.

This is very perplexing.

Any word on survellience cameras from any of the homes? Many people I know have those now. It would be great luck if something turned up, however, with disguise, it might not help much.

bolding mine>

With a weapon.

[Track292003]

Does anyone know whether boat owners are registered in California (as automobile owners are)? If so, then the owner -- and location -- of the boat that was searched must have been blacked out on the search warrant. The only information we were given from the search warrants was that Brock was the owner of the four vehicles that were searched.

Also, it's intresting that no reward has been offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the killer. I wonder why. Any ideas?

[n/t]

Nancy Grace covered the story on Wednesday. Brock's brother was a guest.

Here are the transcripts.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/02/ng.01.html

[n/t]

Does anyone know whether boat owners are registered in California (as automobile owners are)? If so, then the owner -- and location -- of the boat that was searched must have been blacked out on the search warrant. The only information we were given from the search warrants was that Brock was the owner of the four vehicles that were searched.

Also, it's intresting that no reward has been offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the killer. I wonder why. Any ideas?

My guess would be that they will exhaust all searches for evidence and when they run out of leads or have nowhere else to go, they will offer the reward money.

I have a feeling they know where this is headed.

[Debb]

Debb...it is perplexing...I just posted a weird thought...getaway/entry by the water...probably ridiculous...but I wondered that the moment I read about it.

Surveillance camera..well if they got a slip of someone with a helmet..they could trace the helmet..make, etc. Lots of digging around but it might be a lead..plus the stature of the person..height, weight. I'd guess the cameras would more than likely be mounted on the "drive" side.."little road"..it isn't very wide..than on the beach side...but you'd think with that much money, such an expensive house - they would have had them? I would...gosh I'd have one in a cheap house or a guard dog..I couldn't afford or have either but had those security lights...flood lights..whatever they're called...went on if anyone came near either door of my former cottage...and..paranoid as I've been after several burglaries, etc. in past years...I have chain locks on my doors..and place a slip of paper in the door when leaving. I know..paranoid! Gosh..if the mother only had been frying something or boiling water...just throw it at the intruder...IF she had time. I think he came up behind her so fast and silently..I doubt the kid even knew it until he heard his mother and/or dad yelling/arguing.

I think the average...break in for money, drugs, etc. isn't that savvy...to be stealthy..they go for it and leave no witnesses/survivors. A predator...whether for hire or serial...they have their MO...and they've "practiced". This "guy" knew how to get away...so he's (or she's) done it before, IMO. And..something else "bothers me"...it's almost as if the person who did this (hired? or not?) was either told to not harm the children...or they weren't the target...or time was running out... to get away. But to kill a pregnant woman?

JMO

J

Jane, I noticed from your post you are in CA and earlier you posted you had been by the area. That must have been scary. We had a serial killer in my city a few years ago. I was VERY scared for a couple of years before he was caught. He had murdered women in another state. They finially caught him. White male, in his twenties. Entered the young woman's apt. through an unlocked window, raped, murdered and staged her body. It was horrible.

I don't think you are being too careful. In the case at hand I think they said the intruder entered through an unlocked door (sliding or French). Sometimes I think I may be overly cautious, but I am never in my home when all doors are not locked, even in the daytime.
I wonder if there is any chance the intruder had a key.

[Track292003]

Our local (L.A.) NBC-TV channel is reporting another stabbing in Ventura -- in an area called Ventura Keys -- of a 61-year-old woman who was stabbed sometime during the night (Monday or Tuesday - I'm not sure). Victim was a 61-year-old woman who lived with her aging/aged parents in a neighborhood of very nice homes (although probably not in the price range of the Husteds' Faria Beach oceanfront residence) but -- this is what is BIZARRE:

Apparently Brock Husted owned a "second home" -- i.e., a rental home, within 2 blocks in one direction, of the house where the recent stabbing occurred -- and the Husted children go to school within 2 blocks in the other direction.

Why is the information about the second, rental home just coming out now? Also, since the report says Brock owned the house, I wonder if Davina was also on the paperwork as an owner. If not, why not?

How can we get more information on this...and thereby perhaps develop some ideas about how these latest twists lead to some solution of the crimes?

Ventura PD -- in whose jurisdiction this latest stabbing occurred -- has brought in the Sheriff's Department (jurisdiction over the Faria Beach murders) to search for clues, etc. Residents are also very concerned that the news about this recent stabbing was withheld from the public for nearly 24 hours after it was discovered, which I think happened about 3 p.m. Wednesday.

[n/t]

Thanks for that info Track.

Here's the only link I could find online about the other stabbing. What's going on? Now, I'm really starting to wonder if the Husted murders were random and police are saying it was a targeted crime not to alarm the residents? Is there a serial killer on the loose?

Ventura Stabbing Investigated For Link to Husted Case

http://www.keyt.com/news/local/46983167.html

[Track292003]

Thank you, n/t, for this response and link. Like you, I have no idea what's going on. But I do think it may be significant that this rental property was never (to the best of my memory) mentioned since the Husteds were murdered, even when search warrants were listed. Why would that be?

[Adalena935]

Does anyone know whether boat owners are registered in California (as automobile owners are)? If so, then the owner -- and location -- of the boat that was searched must have been blacked out on the search warrant. The only information we were given from the search warrants was that Brock was the owner of the four vehicles that were searched.

Also, it's intresting that no reward has been offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the killer. I wonder why. Any ideas?

Yes boats are registered in CA.


http://www.dmv.ca.gov/boatsinfo/boatreg.htm

[Adalena935]

Don't you think the son would be able to tell the difference between a welder's helmet and a motorcycle helmet? A child that age is capable of a lot more then most people give them credit in my opinion. I'd bet good money the boy had been around his Father's business/workers also and would easily recognize a welder's helmet. And be able to make the disctinction between the two.

[Adalena935]

Nancy Grace covered the story on Wednesday. Brock's brother was a guest.

Here are the transcripts.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/02/ng.01.html

Thanks so much for posting the link to that transcript n/t. I had forgotten about the CA law where they can charge this murderer for 3 murders which would include the unborn baby. How sad this case. They wanted to be surprised about the baby's gender. It was a boy. They had chosen the name Grant. And it was the first marriage for both of them and the murderd man's brother is the one who introduced them.

Ironically CNN just showed film clip of the funeral. The little 9 yr old boy was helping carry a casket and clutching a stuffed little toy. Dear God.

[Adalena935]

I pray they solve this soon. It's awful.

[Beach Lover]

Hi, new to the boards. Just came across this link. It is from AOL Television, I had not seen or heard this before. The reporter states that the killer locked the door to where the Husteds were found, making efforts to get to them even harder.

The body of Wendy DiRodio was also found behind a locked bedroom door. I found this to be interesting. Also wondering if anyone knows what kind of counseler Wendy RiRodio was?

My thoughts & prayers go out to all the family and friends of these victims.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/triple-homicide-in-ventura/3165722656

[n/t]

What kind of doors were they to be able to lock by the outside? Wouldn't they need a key? Do the doors automatically lock when the door closes? :confused:

Wendy Dirodio was found stabbed to death in her Ventura home, just eight miles from where a couple, including a pregnant woman, were slain in their home two weeks prior.

http://cbs2.com/local/Ventura.Stabbing.Beach.2.1032239.html

The parents realized they had not seen their daughter and unlocked her bedroom at about 1500 hours.

http://www.venturacountycrimeblog.com/

[Adalena935]

A message was left with Ventura Police Dept?

I think these crimes are linked. This is looking very bad. I think they may have a serial killer on their hands. Wendy lived with her aged parents and they were left alive just as the children at the other couple's home.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/ventura_county&id=6849415

[dkny]

Maybe following the women home from the supermarket ? She was killed between early am and late afternoon and her bedroom locked. Strange... JMO

[Debb]

Thess two cases have a lot in common. It sounds very odd to me. If it is a serial killer, it will be more difficult to find him than someone the family knew who may have had a grudge.

Where were the elderly parents when their daughter was stabbed? Was she stabbed in her sleep and didn't make any noise?

[Adalena935]

Here's a Los Angeles Times article with a little more information. Her bedroom had more than one entrance, but police aren't elaborating. It says her bedroom was on the main floor. I'm speculating that her parents slept upstairs. Her Mother found her body, the poor dear. Can't imagine.

They called in the investigators on the other case and a quote from LE that the possibility the two cases are related is "...wide open...". I think they know they same person is doing this. How chilling they probably have a serial killer in the area. What a nightmare.

Read-up because LA Times is notorious for archiving their stories fast & charging money to read them after x-amt of time has passed.

http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ventura-murder5-2009jun05,0,6617881.story

Woman fatally stabbed inside her Ventura home

The killing of the 61-year-old in the upscale waterfront neighborhood of Ventura Keys follows the fatal stabbings two weeks ago of a couple in nearby Faria Beach.

[Adalena935]

http://www.santabarbara.com/wendy/

Wendy DiRodio tribute page

[Adalena935]

Wendy's web site. Was she a counselor who specialized in relationships, I wonder? Read under "Our Work". What diabolical person could be doing this. I pray law enforcement solves these cases soon. Horrible.

http://www.wimbooks.com/modules.php?modload=CMWimbooks

[Adalena935]

Maybe following the women home from the supermarket ? She was killed between early am and late afternoon and her bedroom locked. Strange... JMO

The link I posted from the LA Times says there is more than one entry to her room, but cops aren't saying more than that at this time.

I doubt it's anyone following them home from the supermarket. You could be right, but I just don't get that feeling from these crimes.

[Adalena935]

I wonder what the message was to Ventura PD? Could this be a BTK type serial killer? It is the stuff horror movies are made of.

[Adalena935]

Watch the video report. The reporter says just a few years ago, the couple from Faria Beach lived in the neighborhood where Wendy DiRodio was murdered. Police say there are similarities, but not enough to make the connection yet. I think they'll be able to link the cases and I don't think it'll take them long.

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/Ventura_Keys_Stabbing_Death_20090604

Link Between Ventura
County Killings?

[LILMANMAX]

This is a horrible case. Made me sick about the couple but now this woman too. :sad:

I will be shocked if there are different perps here. JMO

[Track292003]

Today's online edition of the Ventura County Star states that Wendy DiRodio had just purchased a home -- in Santa Barbara, where she was apparently very active in community/social activities. And Santa Barbara is also the location of the Husteds' business.

The Star reports that Wendy had been searching for a home (that would accommodate her dogs) for some time. I imagine the Husteds also were seaching for a new home, since their Faria Beach residence is on the market. I wonder if they had been considering a move to Santa Barbara, to be closer to work.

Just a couple of observations and only my opinion, of course

[n/t]

Today's online edition of the Ventura County Star states that Wendy DiRodio had just purchased a home -- in Santa Barbara, where she was apparently very active in community/social activities. And Santa Barbara is also the location of the Husteds' business.

The Star reports that Wendy had been searching for a home (that would accommodate her dogs) for some time. I imagine the Husteds also were seaching for a new home, since their Faria Beach residence is on the market. I wonder if they had been considering a move to Santa Barbara, to be closer to work.

Just a couple of observations and only my opinion, of course

If she was searching for a home, was her house up for sale? The Husted's house was.

Do we know if anything was stolen at DiRodio's house? If not, what in the world could be the motive?

This is getting more and more mysterious.

[Track292003]

n/t --

Wendy lived in her parents' house where she apparently had a room with a separate entrance from the outside. Since I've read that the room also had another door, I assume that door gave her access to the rest of the house. Sort of like a potential rental or mother-in-law unit, is my impression. She had lived there since she was divorced, not sure how many years.

So, no, her home was not up for sale.

I agree these two cases are getting more and more mysterious, with more possible links turning up....and both are so very sad.

I have not read about anything being taken from Wendy's place, but, IIRC, the weapon was not found there.

MOO.

[Jayne]

So many speculations and thoughts cross my (and other poster's) mind. Not finding a weapon at Wendy's may be because the killer has his own weapon, but in the Husted case, the weapon they found may have been a knife belonging to the Husted's...he did approach the mother in the kitchen? Or is this a 'copy cat' killer? Or is this killer an Open Door prowler? The neighbors of the Husted's reported that someone was in their "guest room", apparently, that same night as they heard movement and thought it was their guests, but their guests weren't there - they'd been held up by security at the entry gates, due to the Husted murder 911 call. Probably too much for the LE to investigate to see if other homes in the area had open doors, or peeping toms/prowlers? I think the distance between these two cases is only about a mile or so, if that. Quite close by sea and the route 1. It's like a beach burglar. I don't know that the Santa Barbara house and business is related but it is rather coincidental, yet I can't think of a connection in that. I do wonder, however, if both victims were somehow 'connected' through community service memberships? Or attended the same church? Could this killer have consulted with Wendy and figured he had to "shut her up" about the Husted murder/connection? Ridiculous thoughts...I suppose.

jmo

J

[Track292003]

I don't know that the Santa Barbara house and business is related but it is rather coincidental, yet I can't think of a connection in that. I do wonder, however, if both victims were somehow 'connected' through community service memberships? Or attended the same church? Could this killer have consulted with Wendy and figured he had to "shut her up" about the Husted murder/connection? Ridiculous thoughts...I suppose.

jmo

J

Not ridiculous at all, IMO. We have not been told where Wendy met with her clients -- Ventura, Santa Barbara, both? But, even without that information, we can tell from posters who knew her that she was very active in Santa Barbara, even moving there. And, in my experience, therapists have to network in their communities, to keep up a client base, as do owners of local businesses, like the Husteds', whose business is in Santa Barbara. Therefore, I think it's likely that the victims' paths may have crossed in community/social activities -- and unfortunately -- both of their paths may have crossed with the path of the killer.

I also think your theory is extremely valid that Wendy may have been the victim of someone who had told her something (as a client/patient) that linked him to the Husteds' murders and was afraid that information would somehow eventually be revealed.

A new theory posted under "Comments" on the on-line VC Star is that perhaps the Husteds' business did some work on the house that Wendy was buying. Certainly a possibility if the owner was sprucing up the property before putting it on the market.

Re: was anything taken from Wendy's place? The killer could have taken her appointment books, her notes, etc. I think he definitely wanted her silenced.

Does anyone here know where her office was located? Or did she have more than one?

Sorry for the long post, but I am hoping for some responses!

Thanks -- and just my opinions, of course.

[Adalena935]

Today's online edition of the Ventura County Star states that Wendy DiRodio had just purchased a home -- in Santa Barbara, where she was apparently very active in community/social activities. And Santa Barbara is also the location of the Husteds' business.

The Star reports that Wendy had been searching for a home (that would accommodate her dogs) for some time. I imagine the Husteds also were seaching for a new home, since their Faria Beach residence is on the market. I wonder if they had been considering a move to Santa Barbara, to be closer to work.

Just a couple of observations and only my opinion, of course

Thanks for that information Track. From the article in the publication you cite it says Wendy DiRodio was living on Sailor Ave & the Husted's owned a rental a few blocks away on Seaview Ave. They still dock their boat there. That seems awfully coincidental. It may be nothing but random crimes but I wonder. I'm so anxious for them to solve this. It's very scary.

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/jun/06/web-site-set-up-for-stabbing-victim/

Police hunt for clues in Ventura Keys homicide

[Adalena935]

Eric Spillman (KTLA) has a blog and says that Wendy's neighbors said she once had a radio program in Santa Barbara.

http://blogs.ktla.com/news_custom_eric/

Ventura Stabbing Deaths Rattle Community

[Adalena935]

Another blog entry by Eric Spillman (KTLA). Some nice things said about the slain Ventura couple.

http://blogs.ktla.com/news_custom_eric/2009/05/a-viewer-remembers-slain-ventura-couple.html

A Viewer Remembers Slain Ventura Couple

[Adalena935]

Here's a video covering the two cases. I believe law enforcement knows they're linked, but just can't prove it yet. ETA: The video news says the Husted's children go to school in DiRodio's neighborhood (which is the Husted's former neighborhood).

http://www.associatedcontent.com/video/337854/ventura_murder.html?cat=64

Ventura Murder

[Adalena935]

This has police saying there are obvious similarities that concern them in the two cases. (sheriff's dept) It also says Wendy had a new boyfriend.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ventura-murders6-2009jun06,0,6909094.story

Ventura stabbing victim mourned by friends, neighbors

[Adalena935]

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Latest-Homicide-Has-Ventura-Beach-Communities-on-Edge.html

Photo of Wendy DiRodio’s (parent’s) residence.

[Adalena935]

This is the first I’ve seen they’re charging the Husted murders as 3 homicides. Also a more detailed description of the suspect. I was wondering about his build. Also the little boy must’ve described him as having dark skin. The little boy *did* witness part of the confrontation between the suspect & his parents.

Scroll down to many related links.

http://www.venturacountycrimeblog.com/2009/05/faria-beach-murder-brock-davina-husted.html

Ventura County Crime Blog

[Adalena935]

If she was searching for a home, was her house up for sale? The Husted's house was.

Do we know if anything was stolen at DiRodio's house? If not, what in the world could be the motive?

This is getting more and more mysterious.

Law enforcement haven't made anything public regarding (possible?) thefts.
Motive is what law enforcement is trying to determine. Yes, motive is the puzzle I think.

[Adalena935]

My heart and prayers go out to these families. The children of the Husted's and the parents of Wendy DiRodio. Her Father is ill and they're both old. What a cruelty. There was some short video footage of Wendy's Mother and Father. Her Father is in a wheelchair. Her Mother broke my heart. No one should have to go thru this.

They're all are good people making their communities better.

Both places had access from the water. The Husted's right on the ocean. Wendy's parent's home across the street from a boat canal. I don't know if that means anything or not, but it is another commonality the two cases share.

God Speed to law enforcement agencies working on this case.

[LILMANMAX]

Has LE released any info on the wounds Wendy suffered? This case just breaks my heart. :sad:

[Adalena935]

Has LE released any info on the wounds Wendy suffered? This case just breaks my heart. :sad:

That she was stabbed. Nothing beyond that to my knowledge. I think news has said multiple stab wounds [paraphrase]

ETA: stab wounds (plural)

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/jun/04/no-headline---nxxfcvtastab05/

[GentleBreeze]

A message was left with Ventura Police Dept?

I think these crimes are linked. This is looking very bad. I think they may have a serial killer on their hands. Wendy lived with her aged parents and they were left alive just as the children at the other couple's home.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/ventura_county&id=6849415

I believe you are correct, Adalena. And the people they are killing are the last ones you would think would be harmed.

I think they are trying to drive fear into everyone around that area like it is some mind play they are playing by making all people there wonder if they will be next.

This 10 mile area probably has very little violent crime in a year much less three murders in two weeks.

imo

[Adalena935]

I believe you are correct, Adalena. And the people they are killing are the last ones you would think would be harmed.

I think they are trying to drive fear into everyone around that area like it is some mind play they are playing by making all people there wonder if they will be next.

This 10 mile area probably has very little violent crime in a year much less three murders in two weeks.

imo

Oh my gosh, you tried to warn me about rushing to judgement on motive didn't you. When will I learn? sigh. At first it looked like a crime of passion but you called it right. It's not that.

I now think this is possibly a serial killer. That the perp may have had inkling who the victims are (or not? shrug) similar to manson having some knowledge of his victims, but not a personal vendetta as I first suspected.

Oh I do very much think whoever's doing this is enjoying the power/fear game. Thinks he's clever similar to BTK. Let's hope they find him sooner than that. FBI profilers and veteran LE officers say they don't stop until caught.

I tried to find similar crimes and came up short after the first couple was murdered. Did you happen to see the film of the little boy trying to help carry his parent's coffin? It was about the saddest thing. He was holding a hand-sized soft bunny-looking toy; bluish green. About broke my heart. That little boy may hold the key to this. He may be the only eyewitness ever to these crimes. And I do believe it's a string of crimes.

I can't remember the last time I was there. Gives me the chills now. So, I'm not all that familiar with the area where the murders occurred. Homes along the canals and ocean-front are high priced. From what I've read murder *is* out of the ordinary. But I think that might be true of most CA areas outside larger cities. It's my impression gangs comprise a lot of murders in the state. I think this type of crime is unusual in general statewide. I could be wrong. Reminds me of manson somewhat, or the night stalker Richard Ramirez.

I was surprised when I read that some people don't lock their doors. It's smaller than Los Angeles area, but not exactly a hamlet either.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06111.html
797,740 as of 2008

I think the coastal areas have a reputation for transients. The weather's good, campgrounds and the like. If I were homeless I wouldn't stay in NYC for example if I could get busfare to the CA coast. I dunno, beach areas in the summertime especially; yikes tourist populations can rise to huge numbers. Traffic's horrid.

I pray the cops catch a break soon. Wonder if they've called in any profilers. I hope they have. I've thought about that profiling they do on terroritory of where they perp feels comfortable. I forget what they call it. Geographic profiling or something of that nature. I bet they have a pretty good idea what type person would do this and his territory so far is pretty limited.

[LILMANMAX]

That she was stabbed. Nothing beyond that to my knowledge. I think news has said multiple stab wounds [paraphrase]

ETA: stab wounds (plural)

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/jun/04/no-headline---nxxfcvtastab05/


TFS
I did not think I had read any further info. This is something the LE are holding close to the vest.
I take care of my 92yr old Aunt and I cannot imagine what something like that would do to her.
So tragic and sad. Lets pray they catch the sick monster responsible quickly before any more murders.

[Adalena935]

TFS
I did not think I had read any further info. This is something the LE are holding close to the vest.
I take care of my 92yr old Aunt and I cannot imagine what something like that would do to her.
So tragic and sad. Lets pray they catch the sick monster responsible quickly before any more murders.

So you can identify. Oh it would be just horrible. This poor Mother of Wendy. Just the glimpse I got of her on tv news footage she looked so distraught talking to the detective, as you can imagine. It broke my heart. There is no doubt in my mind it would hasten sudden illness or even death for a person of such advanced age. I hope there is someone in their family to help Wendy's Mother. I believe I read they are in their 90's as well. They deserve peace, not tragedy.

[n/t]

Nothing new that I could find online except that they're still investigating a possible link to the murders. It took them two and half days just to book items into evidence.

http://www.keyt.com/news/local/47252927.html

[LILMANMAX]

I pray they have enough evidence to get a handle on the perp.
I still think the same perp for all these horrible murders. LE need to keep it close though.
I would be a nervous wreck if I lived in that area. Probably walk around my house with a gun strapped on.
Just horrible. :sad:

[Adalena935]

Nothing new that I could find online except that they're still investigating a possible link to the murders. It took them two and half days just to book items into evidence.

http://www.keyt.com/news/local/47252927.html

Thank you for the link n/t. Wow they must have a lot of items they want checked by the lab. I do so hope they find something. What do you want to bet the killer wore gloves?

[Adalena935]

I pray they have enough evidence to get a handle on the perp.
I still think the same perp for all these horrible murders. LE need to keep it close though.
I would be a nervous wreck if I lived in that area. Probably walk around my house with a gun strapped on.
Just horrible. :sad:

Me too LILMAN. I want these cases solved so bad. My heart just aches for the loved ones left behind. Very wicked person who did this. I pray for the law enforcement men and women and lab experts every day.

[Adalena935]

This is from four days ago. Initially thought it was about a memorial, but it appears not.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ventura-murders6-2009jun06,0,6909094.story

Ventura stabbing victim mourned by friends, neighbors

[sunnydale]

I came here to check and see if there was any new information. I couldn't find anything new in the Ventura County Star (local newspaper to the area). I hope they find out who did this. I too think these murders are related somehow. I used to live pretty close to there, oceanfront but in the neighboring town. This is very sad and scary. The newspaper hasn't reported anything on these murder in 4 days. You would think something this big would have a story everyday or at least something even saying they have nothing new to add at this point. I wonder if the LE is asking the newspaper not to report? I wonder if the LE can even make that request? It just seems odd to me that there could be a serial killer in the area and they are not warning the public to lock their doors and be on the lookout. You wold think that there would be more effort to warn the public and get the word out there.

[LILMANMAX]

LE are holding this close to the vest. Even though I do not live in that area, I feel they should release some info to either calm or warn the locals. I'm sure they have their reasons though.

[Debb]

I came here to check and see if there was any new information. I couldn't find anything new in the Ventura County Star (local newspaper to the area). I hope they find out who did this. I too think these murders are related somehow. I used to live pretty close to there, oceanfront but in the neighboring town. This is very sad and scary. The newspaper hasn't reported anything on these murder in 4 days. You would think something this big would have a story everyday or at least something even saying they have nothing new to add at this point. I wonder if the LE is asking the newspaper not to report? I wonder if the LE can even make that request? It just seems odd to me that there could be a serial killer in the area and they are not warning the public to lock their doors and be on the lookout. You wold think that there would be more effort to warn the public and get the word out there.

I think you are right. I realize they must do their investigation, but the public needs to be aware if they suspect a serial killer. I have seen movies where they do not want to scare the public so they keep it under wraps. That can be dangerous.

I posted earlier on this thread about a serial killer in my city. We don't have many here. In fact I think it was the only one. Anyway, LE investigated for a long time before they held a news conference and said they suspected it was a stranger murder and gave a profile of the guy. It must have been about a year after the murder. They were at a dead end and desperate for leads. After another year, the guy was caught over something he did at work. LE got a search warrant and found items he took from the victim's home still in his house, plus lots of other weird stuff linking him to murders in another state. (Women) VERY scary. I didn't sleep soundly until he was caught.

Perhaps LE is close to making an arrest and they don't want to tip him off.

[KittyMom]

I've read that Wendy had purchased a home suitable for her dogs. Where were the dogs when she was attacked?

[Adalena935]

I've read that Wendy had purchased a home suitable for her dogs. Where were the dogs when she was attacked?

I read that too in one of the news articles. I've seen no mention of the dogs other than that.

[Track292003]

The fact that they didn't bark makes some posters think the dogs -- and she -- knew her attacker.

-Track

[GentleBreeze]

Me too LILMAN. I want these cases solved so bad. My heart just aches for the loved ones left behind. Very wicked person who did this. I pray for the law enforcement men and women and lab experts every day.

Remember when Sarah Walker out of Texas was stabbed 27 times? She was a real estate agent. LE at first thought it was someone that she knew. I think they even thought her ex might have had something to do with it and the case just lingered without an arrest for a couple of months.

It took LE that long to get all the forensic DNA evidence back but when they did they got a hit and it turned out to be a total stranger and IIRC he was found in another state.

So I wonder how long it will take for it to come back in this one. There is a greater likelihood of the perp leaving DNA behind when the weapon was a knife and the victims received multiple stab wounds. It shows they may have been defending themselves some and the killer got cut too.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

The fact that they didn't bark makes some posters think the dogs -- and she -- knew her attacker.

-Track

I use to believe that too until the Lunsford and Greone cases. Both had dogs. In fact the Greone family had two dogs, one a pit bull yet they did not alert the family and they had no idea that Duncan was inside of their home.

imo

[Jayne]

I use to believe that too until the Lunsford and Greone cases. Both had dogs. In fact the Greone family had two dogs, one a pit bull yet they did not alert the family and they had no idea that Duncan was inside of their home.

imo


former life...I had a german shepard...dumbass..but I loved him...an intruder came into my apt...that dog sat next to me the entire time...maybe his presence made him leave..no barking..nothing..but I woke up..saw the "shadow" of him at my bedroom door.. he took off..my dog (Trigger) never barked..he wasn't a schutzhund or trained...

I don't think the dogs have anything to do with this. IF they were killed..then that's another story. Were the dogs anywhere near her? IF they were..I don't think she'd have been killed.

jmo

J

[Adalena935]

Remember when Sarah Walker out of Texas was stabbed 27 times? She was a real estate agent. LE at first thought it was someone that she knew. I think they even thought her ex might have had something to do with it and the case just lingered without an arrest for a couple of months.

It took LE that long to get all the forensic DNA evidence back but when they did they got a hit and it turned out to be a total stranger and IIRC he was found in another state.

So I wonder how long it will take for it to come back in this one. There is a greater likelihood of the perp leaving DNA behind when the weapon was a knife and the victims received multiple stab wounds. It shows they may have been defending themselves some and the killer got cut too.

imo

Oh my gosh I just saw that case on forensic files. I had seen it before. It's been covered on AMW too. I found this link. Would you believe this no-good has a web site. ugh. I found it when I googled his name. My little sis in law just got her broker's license. I honestly am concerned about her doing open houses. There have been several such cases over the years. They caught this low life at his home in Dallas, TX. I do believe he was out of state for awhile following the crime. Can't imagine the horror this beautiful young woman suffered at his hands.

I think you're right that it might take awhile for LE to get forensics back in this case too. Let's hope the monster left some of his DNA behind that LE can identify him with.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/capture.cfm?id=39697

[Adalena935]

former life...I had a german shepard...dumbass..but I loved him...an intruder came into my apt...that dog sat next to me the entire time...maybe his presence made him leave..no barking..nothing..but I woke up..saw the "shadow" of him at my bedroom door.. he took off..my dog (Trigger) never barked..he wasn't a schutzhund or trained...

I don't think the dogs have anything to do with this. IF they were killed..then that's another story. Were the dogs anywhere near her? IF they were..I don't think she'd have been killed.

jmo

J

I had a german shepherd that burglars tied up. They used chain from our garage and he was tied up like a roped calf strung to a clothesline. I took him to the vet and he had been drugged. Criminals just toss them a piece of tainted meat. I'm just glad they didn't poison him. It happened in mid-day when my husband and I were both at work. The neighbors (home all day) heard nothing.

[Adalena935]

The fact that they didn't bark makes some posters think the dogs -- and she -- knew her attacker.

-Track

It's true nothing in news about Wendy's dogs outside of the fact she was looking for a place with a yard for them. All intruders have to do is toss them a piece of drug-laden meat. I have no way of knowing such was the case here, but dogs aren't a problem for experienced intruders. Also, you'd be surprised how many dogs fear intruders just as people do. There have been cases over the years where dogs did nothing. It's true the Groene family had a pit bull and another dog known to guard and attack, yet they did nothing in the face of Joseph Duncan. Jessica Lunsford had a weiner dog (notorious barkers) who didn't bark. I guess some bark but not all.

I guess there's a lot of things an intruder bent on murder can do with dogs if it suits them.

[Debb]

I didn't realize so many victims had dogs. I recall that the young girl who was abducted in a national park about a year ago, had her dog with her. The killer didn't harm the dog and released it far from the crime scene where it was later recovered. They did catch the man and he confessed. He had murdered a couple years earlier too. I can't recall the names.

I wondered why her dog didn't attack the man because the girl put up a stong fight.

[LILMANMAX]

I was so hoping to see or hear some news about these brutal cases.
I pray LE has some evidence and are holding it close to the vest.

[Adalena935]

I didn't realize so many victims had dogs. I recall that the young girl who was abducted in a national park about a year ago, had her dog with her. The killer didn't harm the dog and released it far from the crime scene where it was later recovered. They did catch the man and he confessed. He had murdered a couple years earlier too. I can't recall the names.

I wondered why her dog didn't attack the man because the girl put up a stong fight.

I think dogs are pretty savvy too. They recognize a weapon or that a human is harming another one fatally. I honestly think sometimes they run away to save themselves. Dogs are capable of fear too.

[LILMANMAX]

I cannot believe there is no news yet. :sad:

Please if anyone who lives in the area hears of news post the link here or PM me.
TIA

[Adalena935]

I'm saddened there's no news on these cases yet. I pray law enforcement gets a break soon. I think of these families pretty often and keep them in my prayers. Can't imagine losing a loved one so horribly and the children, my goodness the poor dears. All of them, but especially the children. And the poor older couple who lost their daughter. Heartbreaking.

[kelloggirl]

I'm saddened there's no news on these cases yet. I pray law enforcement gets a break soon. I think of these families pretty often and keep them in my prayers. Can't imagine losing a loved one so horribly and the children, my goodness the poor dears. All of them, but especially the children. And the poor older couple who lost their daughter. Heartbreaking.

I know. I've been checking every day, with dismay as time passes without a break. Here's hoping that this is the week that something breaks.

[sunnydale]

I hope they find the perp or perps involved here. I was hoping that this person or persons would of been caught by now.

[BOZGAL2]

These cases seems to have gone COLD real fast. :sad:

This is horrible there have been no arrests and my heart goes out to the families and friends involved.

[n/t]

These cases seems to have gone COLD real fast. :sad:

This is horrible there have been no arrests and my heart goes out to the families and friends involved.

You're so right. There aren't any updates whatsover that I could find online.

A killer is still running loose. Frightening and very sad for the people in Ventura.

[BOZGAL2]

You're so right. There aren't any updates whatsover that I could find online.

A killer is still running loose. Frightening and very sad for the people in Ventura.

I am shocked there has not been an arrest.
Typically in a case like this arrests need to be made quickly.
I would be terrified if I lived in the area.

I will keep praying for justice for these victims.

[worried]

I cannot help but wonder if A) the killer of the Husteds' killed Wendy because he was close to the Husteds' and wanted to make it look like a random killing or B) Wendy was the killers psychotherapyst

[trigger]

Always check in to see if theres any news on this case. Could not find anything at all....

[SnowWhite]

Yeah - there are plenty of murders that don't make the news and are never solved. I don't think this guy is any of the trucker suspects - but it seems a similar thing. Someone who passes through, uses distance to conceal his crimes. A hard person to catch, if so.

Stats remain - it'll probably turn out to be someone they knew - but a stranger is also entirely possible.


Good assessment of this situation.

Upon further reading in this article I found it utterly interesting that about 10 PM a neighbor just a few houses up the street reported that her husband and she heard furniture being moved around and doors opening and closing.

Thought it was their house guest but then learned that the house guest had been stopped at the gates of the community and wasn't allowed in until after 4 am.

Now, when you think about it, if you were in fact someone's house guest that would give you a very low key ability to check out the other houses in the area, with the beach there even with a gated community you could get on and off easily then stand at the gates or drive up to the gates with a whole "Who Me?" look on your face.

You would also have the alibi of the police checking you into the gated community at the 4 AM mark.

Could be anyone but I would want to know who the house guest was and where they were at. Should be easy enough to check out.

[SnowWhite]

The fact that they didn't bark makes some posters think the dogs -- and she -- knew her attacker.

-Track

It is my personal humble opinion that dogs are no different from humans when under a life threatening situation. Some dogs do sense trouble and others just sit there like nothing is going on.

I have an English Mastiff who currently weighs in a little over 150 lbs. These dogs were not bred to fight or be aggressive but, we had some work done and a new balcony built and the guy doing the work didn't call ahead and warn us that he was coming (HOW DUMB IS THAT).

So out of the blue, a long ladder clunks on the side of the balcony and this guy we have never seen before climbs over the rail with his tools.

My dog went NUTS. I thought she was actually going to go right through the sliding glass doors!! I have never in my life seen so much commotion in such a HUGE dog in my life!!

This guy was so scared he absolutely FROZE where he stood.

I said "Good dog, good dog" and she got lots of treats and hugs that day.

Then, another time my ex-father in law who is a tyrant and meanier than snake spit showed up unexpectedly to cause trouble and I WANTED her to get aggressive with him but she just ran over to him like he had cookies in his pocket.

Guess you never can tell.

I did just finish reading the story about this poor woman named Wendy that was also stabbed to death. There just MUST be a connection there.

[BOZGAL2]

I am still praying for an arrest in these cases.
Will keep checking this forum every week.

These victims deserve justice. :rose:

[doradoll]

Wow. Wendy was a young looking 61 year old. When I first read that she had aged parents, I was thinking, "how old could they be?". She sure kept healthy with all that dancing. Her poor parents. That is a crime all to itself.

[BOZGAL2]

Praying for justice for these victims and their families.
:rose:

[fire goddess]

This appears to be a random attack. This does not fit with the ons/ears m.o. Ons/Ears attacks were well thought out and executed. He was brazen enough to spend time in his victims homes after the murders, and on two occasions brought a dog with.There were bloody paw prints at those particular crime scenes. The Ventura killings strike me as a random attack by an inexperienced burglar, or someone just beginning his career as a serial offender.

[Jonee]

I am really sorry to hear that his has happened to this family. Leaving the children alone. Has anyone thought that it could be a lover? I know it might not sound good, but is it one of the most common kinds of killings. It could even be his baby.

[Adalena935]

This case puts me in mind of BTK murders in that - whoever did it seems to surely have some knowledge of the area and the homes involved. The first killing, the person would've first of all known the area was accessible from the water side AND they had to have knowledge of the tides and the rugged coastline in the specific area.

I'm not saying bind, torture, kill. Just that I think the killer had some privileged knowledge of the families involved. I do think the two killings are linked. the other is right across the street from an inside bay area.

Whoever did this I believe knew the area by some means I cannot know.
Work capacity such as BTK had access to his victims???? I don't know but I can't help but wonder.

[Adalena935]

Look at this Image #5. See the rocks and how little sand there is? Whoever did this had to have been wet and known the exact area. Perhaps a camper and/or transient. Who could be long gone by now and would account for the lack of leads. How sad.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-faria-beach-pictures,0,7227682.photogallery?index=1

[Jayne]

Look at this Image #5. See the rocks and how little sand there is? Whoever did this had to have been wet and known the exact area. Perhaps a camper and/or transient. Who could be long gone by now and would account for the lack of leads. How sad.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-faria-beach-pictures,0,7227682.photogallery?index=1

Adalena..you've been following this a lot. I've driven by that house..at least 6 times if not more since this incident, trips up and down the coast and deliberately took the "off ramp" to drive by.

It's off the 101 but almost directly on the "1"..a small stretch of PCH. I tend to agree with your thoughts..but the more times I drove by the more I thought about it..someone could have been on the 1 or 101...IF there was a motorcycle...I think that was a "red herring"...to throw off the LE. But..heck..I know nothing. People in those Camp areas..they pay for the night, week, whatever. If they had all of a sudden "disappeared" the LE would be on them, wouldn't they? Or shouldn't they?

The camp area has to be accessed a distance from where the gated community is.. Somebody there would have to have known if an RV disappeared that night. There are no Tents. But..yes..there are always transients..anywhere up here..anywhere. But it makes no sense to me..a transient...killing and not taking anything? IF a transient..how far can that person go on foot? If a motorcycle..why didn't they look for treads..everywhere? You can't mistake a motorcycle for a four wheeler or third wheel.

No...I think this was an inside job, so to speak. Why it isn't being resolved?

Gut "instinct" - this was no transient. I think it's somebody they knew..so used the "costume" to disguise himself and consequently confuse the kids? What transient would come upon a "motorcycle helmet" to use to STAB people to death and not take money, food, and not hurt the kids?

That Route 1..is dark...not much around...one could "escape" from there onto the 101 and be out of reach within minutes then onto several other "freeways"...either direction. I think the motorcycle helmet was the "red herring"..threw the LE off. They'd be looking for a guy/gal on a motorcycle..not someone in a car? And who would know What car? I'm sure they don't take their dogs for a walk on the Route 1....so any car parked there..no one would notice..unless it had been there for days.

don't know...but you've posted again..and I just came to respond.

jmo

J

[Adalena935]

Hi Jayne, Good to post with you again. I agree with you I think it's more likely it's someone they knew rather than a transient. I don't necessarily think the helmet was a disguise but a motorcycle helmet and outfit did keep anyone from knowing his identity.

By transient I don't necessarily think of a down and out homeless person. By transient I think of someone who doesn't necessarily live in the area.

It could be anyone. I guess they don't have many leads. Hope they eventually solve it. How scary. I do think the same person killed the other woman down the coast further. Or it seems so to me anyway.

I don't live all that far, but haven't been by that area in a long time. I know it's dark. Hwy 1 has always been that way. No street lights in the ocean. It's amazing how bright and almost daylight it can be in a full moon, but pitch black when it's no moonlight. Have you looked at weather history to see what phase the moon was in that night?

[KittyMom]

I'm terribly surprised that there hasn't been arrest in either case. No one can committ the perfect crime twice. :confused: