Thursday, May 21, 2009

[TunaMelt]

Wonder what it was? If me I wouldnt be able to stop starring at them.

And I'd be hoping someone phoned me and told me I had to go home.
:scared:

[AMS]

WOW!!!!! HAVE I found out a lot of stuff today. Don't worry I will share when I piece it all together.

Quick Question to anyone (pullllllllllllllleeez help!) - Did anyone ever research a JOSH that went to Colonial High School with Casey before she apparently DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL?

ETA: For Peter - I saw your post about the tattoo thing, and am investigating.


Oh DT, what are you up to? I do not recall a Josh.

imo

[*MoonRider*]

Wonder what it was? If me I wouldnt be able to stop starring at them.

As another poster said earlier, Annie thought Caylee was alive. She was helping G & C with T-shirts, flyers, etc. She was on the Anthony bus for 6 months. imo

[Dick Tracy]

She didn't drop out. She didn't have enough credits to graduate at the end of her senior year.

Granted she didn't do anything about it but the term "dropout" conotates she'd actually left before the year ended or her supposed graduation date.

I stand corrected. :sad:

[AMS]

WOW!!!!! HAVE I found out a lot of stuff today. Don't worry I will share when I piece it all together.

Quick Question to anyone (pullllllllllllllleeez help!) - Did anyone ever research a JOSH that went to Colonial High School with Casey before she apparently DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL?

ETA: For Peter - I saw your post about the tattoo thing, and am investigating.

Me again. I did find this link.

http://mhutch.blogspot.com/2009/03/caylee-anthonys-father-is-man-named.html

imo

[ttcRider]

Gosh, was gonna call out a search party for you but couldn't get up off my fat behind. Where ya been?

Yes, Annie D. Someone else has to put up the link as I closed it down already. sorry!

I was waiting for the standard 31 days to pass... :laugh:

[TunaMelt]

Does anyone have a pic of George on the boat in the water? I'm playing with my photoshop. :smile:

http://www.cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.net/

Go to "Picture Gallery."

It's there I think.

ETA: http://www.extremesearchandrescue.com/

It's here. Sorry!

[Dick Tracy]

Oh DT, what are you up to? I do not recall a Josh.

imo

two names have surfaced irt Caylees dad...... Josh, Via Melina - and Eric via Annie.

Just wondering if that's been checked out, (probably by LE) and discussed here.

[AMS]

two names have surfaced irt Caylees dad...... Josh, Via Melina - and Eric via Annie.

Just wondering if that's been checked out, (probably by LE) and discussed here.

If you google Casey Anthony Josh, a bunch of links come up.

[Peter]

WOW!!!!! HAVE I found out a lot of stuff today. Don't worry I will share when I piece it all together.

Quick Question to anyone (pullllllllllllllleeez help!) - Did anyone ever research a JOSH that went to Colonial High School with Casey before she apparently DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL?

ETA: For Peter - I saw your post about the tattoo thing, and am investigating.

Thank you Dick,
Annies depo today cleared up a little: she got 2 tickets by herself at diff. times. Annie that is. She does not know another Zanieda at all.
so she says.
M & M are onto the ticket in may to a zanieda Gonzalis (SP). It must not be their ZG.

[Imperfect4]

Listening to Tuesday's hearing and today's non-hearing, I must say Judge Rodriguez is making me pine for Judge Strickland. :glare:

[Peter]

I was waiting for the standard 31 days to pass... :laugh:


why you lazy blogger!:tonguewag:

[*MoonRider*]

http://www.cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.net/

Go to "Picture Gallery."

It's there I think.

ETA: http://www.extremesearchandrescue.com/

It's here. Sorry!

I'm looking for a larger pic. Anyway, I did see this is the 1st photo on the CMA Foundation site. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Bear.jpg

[Dick Tracy]

Thank you Dick,
Annies depo today cleared up a little: she got 2 tickets by herself at diff. times. Annie that is. She does not know another Zanieda at all.
so she says.
M & M are onto the ticket in may to a zanieda Gonzalis (SP). It must not be their ZG.

Yes I read that. But it's still..... WEIRD!

[jammies]

Annie is the one in the party pics with Casey all over each other (the one with the lollipops), Annie really needed Casey for something or some personal problem? Why else would she stay over at the Ants?
That had to be the weirdest night. All the strange tension between them all. Why go to hopespring drive and spend the night with Casey unless you were going to try to get answers. Annie didnt WANT to know, she didnt want answers about that.
I would say only someone who loved Casey would not ask these critical questions that the whole world wanted answers to.
Thats it, I dont have anything else except a hunch. Its just too damn weird.

Nah. The entire cast of characters in this case only care about themselves. I don't see "love" from any of them. The guys and gals were into one night stands for quick satisfaction. Even Casey has no shame telling people that Caylee was a product of a "quickie". Doesn't seem to phase any of them....not even the A's.

Annie doesn't really care about Casey's predicament as she has her own problems that demanded attention. Nevermind that a child was missing and more than likely dead..(as far as they knew)

If they ever slept together it was because "if it feels good, do it" mentality. IMO

[kelloggirl]

Thank you Dick,
Annies depo today cleared up a little: she got 2 tickets by herself at diff. times. Annie that is. She does not know another Zanieda at all.
so she says.
M & M are onto the ticket in may to a zanieda Gonzalis (SP). It must not be their ZG.

Thanks for this info. I was dying to know whether they asked Annie about the traffic stops. So maybe the whole thing was just an odd coincidence. Darn!

[jammies]

ITA- that whole "I didn't want to know" but at the same time saying " we were trying to track Caylee down" doesn't make any sense. If you don't ask questions how ya gonna find out?

I just want to add- this is the first that I have heard that caylees father was married and suppose to have another child. interesting.


Don't think any of them really wanted to "know". Casey gives her parents the stupid story that she can't tell for fear harm will come to them and they BUY IT. Remember, Cindy always KNOWS when Casey is lying. :rolleyes:

[jammies]

Me too! Cindy would prolly have your fingerprints on file after the morning coffee!



LOL Once your in you can't get out! Like the mafia.

[TunaMelt]

Question to anyone and everyone:

I'm curious.

Why do you think Cindy really wanted KC to keep the baby when she found out she was pregnant.

I never heard an explanation. If she said it was for religious reasons, that's a lie, imo. She wouldn't care, not really. We've seen too much of her duplicity to believe that she really has true religious convictions.

Cindy had some kind of motivation, other than religious. imo.

Why do you think Cindy really actually wanted KC to keep her baby?

:confused:

[Peter]

Nah. The entire cast of characters in this case only care about themselves. I don't see "love" from any of them. The guys and gals were into one night stands for quick satisfaction. Even Casey has no shame telling people that Caylee was a product of a "quickie". Doesn't seem to phase any of them....not even the A's.

Annie doesn't really care about Casey's predicament as she has her own problems that demanded attention. Nevermind that a child was missing and more than likely dead..(as far as they knew)

If they ever slept together it was because "if it feels good, do it" mentality. IMO


well, I dont think their version of love is like mine, but I can see Annie being infatuated with Casey. shes cute and skinny and prolly gets all the attention when they go out.
Its akin to wanting to be like that person.
its still WEIRD though.

[*MoonRider*]

That Extreme thing just took my firefox out. :chicken:
There was a new filing today Notice of Provision of Supplemental Discovery Filed. http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details.aspx?SessionID=23e475ff-b179-4f02-90d8-99ba75593d7f&CaseID=6079536 Does that mean doc dump? Unleash the lawyers.

[jammies]

Wonder what it was? If me I wouldnt be able to stop starring at them.


After your "sleeping" post....this made me laugh!!:laugh:

[*MoonRider*]

Question to anyone and everyone:

I'm curious.

Why do you think Cindy really wanted KC to keep the baby when she found out she was pregnant.

I never heard an explanation. If she said it was for religious reasons, that's a lie, imo. She wouldn't care, not really. We've seen too much of her duplicity to believe that she really has true religious convictions.

Cindy had some kind of motivation, other than religious. imo.

Why do you think Cindy really actually wanted KC to keep her baby?

:confused:

My 2 cents is that when Cindy found out it was too late for an abortion.

[ruth66]

Question to anyone and everyone:

I'm curious.

Why do you think Cindy really wanted KC to keep the baby when she found out she was pregnant.

I never heard an explanation. If she said it was for religious reasons, that's a lie, imo. She wouldn't care, not really. We've seen too much of her duplicity to believe that she really has true religious convictions.


Cindy had some kind of motivation, other than religious. imo.

Why do you think Cindy really actually wanted KC to keep her baby?

:confused:
Maybe a 'do over' of Casey in CA's mind. Or possibly in CA's mind keeping the baby would give off a better impression than simply giving her away. Then there is the part of me that thinks they all thought of CAYLEE as doll, an object. JMHO of course.

[Peter]

After your "sleeping" post....this made me laugh!!:laugh:

well you post made me laugh , But thats not originally why I would be starring! I better slow down before I get in trouble.

[TunaMelt]

My 2 cents is that when Cindy found out it was too late for an abortion.

Do you think KC is so stupid (LOLOL don't answer that part LOL) that if she was pregnant and she wanted to get an abortion, she wouldn't "borrow" some $$ and have one?

What could she have been thinking?

I'm thinking it's along the lines of typical Anthony thought process: don't talk about it and it will take care of itself and go away.
:confused:

[jammies]

well you post made me laugh , But thats not originally why I would be starring! I better slow down before I get in trouble.




"originally" :lol:

[avalonfox]

Annie's deposition is up on http://www.forthepeople.com/

Just finished listening to Annie Downings deposition. Does anyone know or remember if the "beach list" (that lists things to take for Caylee going to the beach and also has dog treats listed) is on the evidence list? Anyone else heard about this list before now...or where and when it was found?

[101Spots]

Do you think KC is so stupid (LOLOL don't answer that part LOL) that if she was pregnant and she wanted to get an abortion, she wouldn't "borrow" some $$ and have one?

What could she have been thinking?

I'm thinking it's along the lines of typical Anthony thought process: don't talk about it and it will take care of itself and go away.
:confused:

Or, "I'll do that tomorrow."

[TunaMelt]

Maybe a 'do over' of Casey in CA's mind. Or possibly in CA's mind keeping the baby would give off a better impression than simply giving her away. Then there is the part of me that thinks they all thought of CAYLEE as doll, an object. JMHO of course.

I'm thinking sort of along the "doll" line: I think Cindy thought it would be flattering for her -- people would say "oh how cute she is, she looks just like you" (in Cindy's mind) -- or (and this is very Cindy), people would say
"Your daughter is adorable" and then Cindy would say "Oh no that's not my daughter, she's my granddaughter" after which people would say "Your granddaughter?! Why, you're too young to have a granddaughter." And so on.

Some women are like that.

And I think Cindy's one of those women.


:mellow:

[ttcRider]

Just finished listening to Annie Downings deposition. Does anyone know or remember if the "beach list" (that lists things to take for Caylee going to the beach and also has dog treats listed) is on the evidence list? Anyone else heard about this list before now...or where and when it was found?

That was the first I had heard of it... :unsure:

[Imperfect4]

Question to anyone and everyone:

I'm curious.

Why do you think Cindy really wanted KC to keep the baby when she found out she was pregnant.

I never heard an explanation. If she said it was for religious reasons, that's a lie, imo. She wouldn't care, not really. We've seen too much of her duplicity to believe that she really has true religious convictions.

Cindy had some kind of motivation, other than religious. imo.

Why do you think Cindy really actually wanted KC to keep her baby?

:confused:

I'd agree with the do-over comment. Casey was turning out to be a supreme disappointment, so a new baby would allow Cindy to work her magic all over again. :rolleyes:

I also agree it was too late for an abortion, and adoption would be out of the question due to Cindy's arrogance and conviction that she's so far superior to everyone else. No child of her child could be raised by another, lesser family.



Just finished watching the raw video of Tuesday's hearing. I'd say Cindy definitely shot someone the finger as she was leaving the courtroom -- the glare that went with it was proof positive, imo. And again, I find it remarkable how adolescent both she and George appear.

Conway did not look happy. I would imagine this civil case is making the A's uglier than even he can tolerate.

[TunaMelt]

I'd agree with the do-over comment. Casey was turning out to be a supreme disappointment, so a new baby would allow Cindy to work her magic all over again. :rolleyes:

I also agree it was too late for an abortion, and adoption would be out of the question due to Cindy's arrogance and conviction that she's so far superior to everyone else. No child of her child could be raised by another, lesser family.



Just finished watching the raw video of Tuesday's hearing. I'd say Cindy definitely shot someone the finger as she was leaving the courtroom -- the glare that went with it was proof positive, imo. And again, I find it remarkable how adolescent both she and George appear.

Conway did not look happy. I would imagine this civil case is making the A's uglier than even he can tolerate.

I'm wondering if their "marriage" is almost over. Conway and the Ants.
??

[ttcRider]

I'm wondering if their "marriage" is almost over. Conway and the Ants.
??

yeah, the A's are definately a career ender. :biggrin:

[*MoonRider*]

I'd agree with the do-over comment. Casey was turning out to be a supreme disappointment, so a new baby would allow Cindy to work her magic all over again. :rolleyes:

I also agree it was too late for an abortion, and adoption would be out of the question due to Cindy's arrogance and conviction that she's so far superior to everyone else. No child of her child could be raised by another, lesser family.



Just finished watching the raw video of Tuesday's hearing. I'd say Cindy definitely shot someone the finger as she was leaving the courtroom -- the glare that went with it was proof positive, imo. And again, I find it remarkable how adolescent both she and George appear.

Conway did not look happy. I would imagine this civil case is making the A's uglier than even he can tolerate.

I feel like we're playing limbo, how low can they go :tonguewag:

[Imperfect4]

I'm wondering if their "marriage" is almost over. Conway and the Ants.
??

I'm wondering if his backache today had something to do with how badly he knew Cindy would behave in that courtroom.

I suspect both NeJame and Conway are fond of George and genuinely want(ed) to help the guy out, but Cindy makes it impossible.

[TunaMelt]

yeah, the A's are definately a career ender. :biggrin:

:lol:

You're not kidding.
There's not enough $$ in the world....:rolleyes: to take them on.
Conway may be coming to this same conclusion.

[TunaMelt]

I'm wondering if his backache today had something to do with how badly he knew Cindy would behave in that courtroom.

I suspect both NeJame and Conway are fond of George and genuinely want(ed) to help the guy out, but Cindy makes it impossible.

Fond?

Of George?

Ya think?

Really?

:scared:

[Lavinia]

Lavinia.:tonguewag:

:tonguewag: (I can't leave you kids for a MINUTE!):cursing:

I fell asleep during Annie's testimony. I'm looking for Cliff Notes now.

[Imperfect4]

I feel like we're playing limbo, how low can they go :tonguewag:

I'd like someone to alert Nancy to the fact Cindy did that. I'd like the press to get on that and make a federal fricking case out of it. How dare that low-class female behave like that in a courtroom? She's a disgrace. And it seems the worse her behavior is received by the public, the worse it gets. I've never seen anyone who was once so consumed with her image do this much damage to it. Unreal.

[Lavinia]

at about 51:30 Annie says that the A's were very clean and always cleaning. She goes as far as to say everything they had was clean. So why would Casey have so much trash in her trunk? Possibly to cover up an odor? A small detail that will come back to bite them.

JMO

Exactly why no one bought the 'Cindy's fridge smell like death' scenario, too. <sigh>

[aproudmom]

O lord please help me Lisa Bloom in on JVM going to go take my nerve pill..:biggrin:

[Imperfect4]

Fond?

Of George?

Ya think?

Really?

:scared:

I really do. NeJame had George perfectly in hand at the GJ hearing. And he later admitted he'd spent the entire day with George after he testified. After Conway came along, George went on and on at "Caylee's memorial" (IIRC) about how he'd made such a good friend in Brad. And Conway was able to get George in hand at the Morgan depo, too ... eventually.

I think George can be a likable guy, and I imagine other men see him as a grieving grandfather with a killer for a daughter, and victimized by his Bride of Satan.

Just my own musings on the subject. :smile:

[*MoonRider*]

O lord please help me Lisa Bloom in on JVM going to go take my nerve pill..:biggrin:
I think a Xanax may be the ticket.

[aproudmom]

Just finished listening to Annie Downings deposition. Does anyone know or remember if the "beach list" (that lists things to take for Caylee going to the beach and also has dog treats listed) is on the evidence list? Anyone else heard about this list before now...or where and when it was found?

OMG had never heard that before

[Imperfect4]

I think a Xanax may be the ticket.

... with a tequila chaser. :laugh:

[TunaMelt]

I really do. NeJame had George perfectly in hand at the GJ hearing. And he later admitted he'd spent the entire day with George after he testified. After Conway came along, George went on and on at "Caylee's memorial" (IIRC) about how he'd made such a good friend in Brad. And Conway was able to get George in hand at the Morgan depo, too ... eventually.

I think George can be a likable guy, and I imagine other men see him as a grieving grandfather with a killer for a daughter, and victimized by his Bride of Satan.

Just my own musings on the subject. :smile:

"The Bride of Satan."

She scares my DH.
Truly.
:wink:

[rambo55]

Question to anyone and everyone:

I'm curious.

Why do you think Cindy really wanted KC to keep the baby when she found out she was pregnant.

I never heard an explanation. If she said it was for religious reasons, that's a lie, imo. She wouldn't care, not really. We've seen too much of her duplicity to believe that she really has true religious convictions.

Cindy had some kind of motivation, other than religious. imo.

Why do you think Cindy really actually wanted KC to keep her baby?

:confused:

IMO it was all about HER OPINION of right and wrong. She obviously is not a pro - choice advocate. I feel she would have felt like one of the "common folk" had she gone along with the abortion plan. She felt the A's were above that...

I think everything she does is motivated by her warped vision of what others think about her and her family... That is until her daughter killed her grandaughter. Again IMO.

[ruth66]

I really do. NeJame had George perfectly in hand at the GJ hearing. And he later admitted he'd spent the entire day with George after he testified. After Conway came along, George went on and on at "Caylee's memorial" (IIRC) about how he'd made such a good friend in Brad. And Conway was able to get George in hand at the Morgan depo, too ... eventually.

I think George can be a likable guy, and I imagine other men see him as a grieving grandfather with a killer for a daughter, and victimized by his Bride of Satan.

Just my own musings on the subject. :smile:

That's what I thought for about a month. Then I started thinking "for god's sake grow a backbone"! The man is a piece of clay, he can be molded into anything you can think of. The problem is he just can't be that person he subconsciously knows he should be. And he doesn't wear deception very well either. He certainly is not the practiced liar that CA and Casey are.

JMO

[TunaMelt]

O lord please help me Lisa Bloom in on JVM going to go take my nerve pill..:biggrin:

What is her problem lately?

She sounds like Jamie Floyd.
:scared:

Is she still on TruTv?

[*MoonRider*]

Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation is a 501(c)(3)non-profit, which has met all state and federal regulations. All donations are tax deductable.
All donations made to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will be used in strict accordance to the guidelines that this organization has established. Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will follow all state and federal regulations for non-profits.
Donations will be accepted by check or money order payable to: The Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation.
Mailing Address: 4937 Hopespring Dr., Orlando, Fl. 32829
Or you may use PayPal to make a donation. (Paypal is working now)
:cursing: http://cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.net/donations.html

[aproudmom]

I think a Xanax may be the ticket.

ok where is my Xanax necklace someone promised me one last night..lol..

[TunaMelt]

... with a tequila chaser. :laugh:

Uh oh.
:ohmy:

Next thing you're going to start talking about dancing and poles and things like that....:w00t:

[AMS]

Annie deposition to be discussed next on JVM.

imo

[aproudmom]

Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation is a 501(c)(3)non-profit, which has met all state and federal regulations. All donations are tax deductable.
All donations made to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will be used in strict accordance to the guidelines that this organization has established. Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will follow all state and federal regulations for non-profits.
Donations will be accepted by check or money order payable to: The Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation.
Mailing Address: 4937 Hopespring Dr., Orlando, Fl. 32829
Or you may use PayPal to make a donation. (Paypal is working now)
:cursing: http://cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.net/donations.html

OFGS this just made me ill..so they are running this out of their home seems donations would go right into a account not sent to their freaking home:cursing: so this means they can get grants IIRC

[TunaMelt]

Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation is a 501(c)(3)non-profit, which has met all state and federal regulations. All donations are tax deductable.
All donations made to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will be used in strict accordance to the guidelines that this organization has established. Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will follow all state and federal regulations for non-profits.
Donations will be accepted by check or money order payable to: The Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation.
Mailing Address: 4937 Hopespring Dr., Orlando, Fl. 32829
Or you may use PayPal to make a donation. (Paypal is working now)
:cursing: http://cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.net/donations.html

How long is the line?

:sneaky:

[Tornado]

Don't think any of them really wanted to "know". Casey gives her parents the stupid story that she can't tell for fear harm will come to them and they BUY IT. Remember, Cindy always KNOWS when Casey is lying. :rolleyes:

Well I wonder if CA realized the truth in the lies when in the first depo she said that KC told her that Jeffery Hopkins was supposedly the nannies ex boyfriend.

Then we have the stories of the real ZFG's ex-boyfriend hanging out with the tattoo clan. For coincidences that don't exist, there sure are alot of them.

[jammies]

Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation is a 501(c)(3)non-profit, which has met all state and federal regulations. All donations are tax deductable.
All donations made to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will be used in strict accordance to the guidelines that this organization has established. Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will follow all state and federal regulations for non-profits.
Donations will be accepted by check or money order payable to: The Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation.
Mailing Address: 4937 Hopespring Dr., Orlando, Fl. 32829
Or you may use PayPal to make a donation. (Paypal is working now)
:cursing: http://cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.net/donations.html

About us:

"Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation founders have learned first hand that enduring the experience of having a missing child demands significant courage and determination on the part of the family involved. "

That's only the first paragraph. Couldn't make myself read any further. :cursing:

[aproudmom]

Annie deposition to be discussed next on JVM.

imo

yeah seen that just took my pill since Lisa B is on..I sure hope she does not make a fool of herself again tonight..

[rambo55]

I really do. NeJame had George perfectly in hand at the GJ hearing. And he later admitted he'd spent the entire day with George after he testified. After Conway came along, George went on and on at "Caylee's memorial" (IIRC) about how he'd made such a good friend in Brad. And Conway was able to get George in hand at the Morgan depo, too ... eventually.

I think George can be a likable guy, and I imagine other men see him as a grieving grandfather with a killer for a daughter, and victimized by his Bride of Satan.

Just my own musings on the subject. :smile:

I swear, I'm not trying to argue or be ugly, but do you really believe that? I get the complete opposite. I see GA as as spineless piece of clay that allows himself to be molded into whatever the person he is with wishes him to be at that moment. He gets NO sympathy from me.

[TunaMelt]

OFGS this just made me ill..so they are running this out of their home seems donations would go right into a account not sent to their freaking home:cursing: so this means they can get grants IIRC

It's sickening, the thought of Cindy skipping to her mailbox and reaching in and pulling out envelopes of $$, but it's not illegal.

:mad:

[AMS]

JVM - double dose of bad news for Casey Anthony

1. Best friend Annie said she never heard Casey mention Zanny the nanny.

2. 3 reports on Baez to the bar assn.

imo

[5boxersmom]

I really do. NeJame had George perfectly in hand at the GJ hearing. And he later admitted he'd spent the entire day with George after he testified. After Conway came along, George went on and on at "Caylee's memorial" (IIRC) about how he'd made such a good friend in Brad. And Conway was able to get George in hand at the Morgan depo, too ... eventually.

I think George can be a likable guy, and I imagine other men see him as a grieving grandfather with a killer for a daughter, and victimized by his Bride of Satan.

Just my own musings on the subject. :smile:

I'll give George this. He is the only one that has talked about Caylee. How he pulled her around the neighborhood in the wagon, how they looked at the stars and moon. Watching Spongebob and dancing around. Teaching her You are My Sunshine.

I have never heard Cindy, Casey or Lee talk about Caylee like this. :shrug:

imo

[TunaMelt]

JVM - double dose of bad news for Casey Anthony

1. Best friend Annie said she never heard Casey mention Zanny the nanny.

2. 3 reports on Baez to the bar assn.

imo

#1: :biggrin:

#2: :laugh::laugh:

[*MoonRider*]

About us:

"Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation founders have learned first hand that enduring the experience of having a missing child demands significant courage and determination on the part of the family involved. "

That's only the first paragraph. Couldn't make myself read any further. :cursing:
It seems the Milstead's taught them well. How to scam donations so you don't have to work. moo

[*MoonRider*]

It's sickening, the thought of Cindy skipping to her mailbox and reaching in and pulling out envelopes of $$, but it's not illegal.

:mad:

Moral bankruptcy at it's best.

[101Spots]

OFGS this just made me ill..so they are running this out of their home seems donations would go right into a account not sent to their freaking home:cursing: so this means they can get grants IIRC

Before you get too upset: I run a teeny foundation from my home. The official address of the foundation is the same as my home address. This saves us from having to spend money on an off-premises office.

I would think that any checks would be made out to "CMAF" and not "George and Cindy" so G&C would have a hard time depositing them in their personal account.

I have no problem with them using their home address. I *do* have a problem with them having such a foundation in the first place.

[Imperfect4]

That's what I thought for about a month. Then I started thinking "for god's sake grow a backbone"! The man is a piece of clay, he can be molded into anything you can think of. The problem is he just can't be that person he subconsciously knows he should be. And he doesn't wear deception very well either. He certainly is not the practiced liar that CA and Casey are.

JMO

Oh, I agree with you. He's a burden more than anything else, imo. But I don't think men would necessarily view it that way -- especially men who met him after Caylee went "missing." My guess is he's a pretty sympathetic character to a lot of men who see him as a victim of his wife and daughter. Lenny never says a bad word about him, either. His clay-like qualities would appeal to male acquaintances (his attorneys and Milstead come immediately to mind) who need him to be malleable for whatever reason. He's willing to accept their advice and help, and he has the capacity to be grateful for it -- unlike the little missus.

[aproudmom]

About us:

"Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation founders have learned first hand that enduring the experience of having a missing child demands significant courage and determination on the part of the family involved. "

That's only the first paragraph. Couldn't make myself read any further. :cursing:

I have NEVER went on that site I will not give them my 1 view but this is a total outrage so I guess can we all go open a fruadation since we know what it is when a child is missing..they do not know how it feels anymore than us..she was never missing CAN SOMEONE PLEASE let CA know she had no custody of Caylee KC did not have to allow her to talk to her on the phone she is the mother not CA they need to wake up they know Caylee was never a missing child their daughter had her killed her and dumped her..that is not missing it is murder by the hands of their Mother of the Year Daughter:cursing:

[AMS]

Haleigh Cummings: At What Cost?

The majority of this op-ed is about the A's and the foundation.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120969#comments


imo

[TunaMelt]

Before you get too upset: I run a teeny foundation from my home. The official address of the foundation is the same as my home address. This saves us from having to spend money on an off-premises office.

I would think that any checks would be made out to "CMAF" and not "George and Cindy" so G&C would have a hard time depositing them in their personal account.

I have no problem with them using their home address. I *do* have a problem with them having such a foundation in the first place.

But...they're able to draw out of the CMA accounts. If I'm guessing right, only Cindy is a signatory on the bank accounts for the Foundation. Maybe George, but I think not. She would want total control of all the $$ because she's the only one...LOL ...capable of handling it, and LOL worthy of it. :tonguewag::wink:

spots: i'm only opposed to the CMA foundation as run by the Ants. Not foundations or foundations run from a home office in general. :smile:

[aproudmom]

O/T

Does the board close for the long weekend?

the last time CW had it open IIRC

[legalmania]

Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation is a 501(c)(3)non-profit, which has met all state and federal regulations. All donations are tax deductable.
All donations made to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will be used in strict accordance to the guidelines that this organization has established. Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will follow all state and federal regulations for non-profits.
Donations will be accepted by check or money order payable to: The Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation.
Mailing Address: 4937 Hopespring Dr., Orlando, Fl. 32829
Or you may use PayPal to make a donation. (Paypal is working now)
:cursing: http://cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.net/donations.html

I wonder if it's legal to run a charity out of your home in Orlando? Certain towns don't allow business run from your home

[newsjunkie]

I swear, I'm not trying to argue or be ugly, but do you really believe that? I get the complete opposite. I see GA as as spineless piece of clay that allows himself to be molded into whatever the person he is with wishes him to be at that moment. He gets NO sympathy from me.


Or me! :beer:

[Tornado]

That is one of my favorite songs- very fitting. :biggrin:

[TunaMelt]

I wonder if it's legal to run a charity out of your home in Orlando? Certain towns don't allow business run from your town

No, it's not illegal.
You can run an organization from anywhere.

Also: think of bars (:wink:), for example, where people live above them. Or stores, same thing.

And nowadays, so many companies are run out of home offices...where the Anthonys will mess up IMO is that they will try to deduct their home, electricity, and other home expenses -- as business expenses. And this is where a home-run business owner has to be careful -- or the tax man will cometh.

And they will mess up in this manner. I have no doubt about it. They'll think they can fool the IRS and the joke will be on them.

And that will be the end of it. All of it.

:mellow:

[rambo55]

I'll give George this. He is the only one that has talked about Caylee. How he pulled her around the neighborhood in the wagon, how they looked at the stars and moon. Watching Spongebob and dancing around. Teaching her You are My Sunshine.

I have never heard Cindy, Casey or Lee talk about Caylee like this. :shrug:

imo


Doesn't that make it worse somehow? If he keeps those loving memories in his heart and mind and yet continue to lie to the court about the things surrounding the death of his precious grandchild?

I still hold out hope GA will do the right thing and stand up for Caylee and tell the truth (ALL OF IT ) to bring her murdering mother to some sort of justice.

[101Spots]

But...they're able to draw out of the CMA accounts. If I'm guessing right, only Cindy is a signatory on the bank accounts for the Foundation. Maybe George, but I think not. She would want total control of all the $$ because she's the only one...LOL ...capable of handling it, and LOL worthy of it. :tonguewag::wink:

spots: i'm only opposed to the CMA foundation as run by the Ants. Not foundations or foundations run from a home office in general. :smile:

No problem. Lots of posters seem upset by the home address thing, and I thought I'd toss in my 2¢.

As for Cindy writing checks, yes, she can. But sooner or later (and I'm hoping for sooner) the IRS will find time for a little "chat" with Cindy. She's going to have to justify every nickel she spends.

As for CMAF "contributing" to the Anthony's mortgage: They can claim a percentage of the home expenses for an office. This is usually done as a square-footage percentage of the home. However, a home office is a red flag to the IRS. I have a home office that I claim on my personal taxes, and you can bet the IRS was out here looking at it in person. (Fortunately, it's a separate building full of computers, so I passed the test. If Cindy has a bed in her "home office," or she stores clothes in there, they will not be as generous.)

[aproudmom]

Before you get too upset: I run a teeny foundation from my home. The official address of the foundation is the same as my home address. This saves us from having to spend money on an off-premises office.

I would think that any checks would be made out to "CMAF" and not "George and Cindy" so G&C would have a hard time depositing them in their personal account.

I have no problem with them using their home address. I *do* have a problem with them having such a foundation in the first place.

Oh I am beyond upset for one they will not use that money for anything other than for them and their partners..paypal can go into a account IIRC CA told LK they had a account opened for this foundation so if they get 10 bucks from some little 13 yr old who donates his allowance like the one that was sending KC money for all her nice little treats in the slammer do you really think they will run to the bank to deposit it to help other families...NOPE..BTW I was not judging anyone who runs a foundation as long as they are deserving of it and they are not..they will have more control over that money than we all will know..they run it she is the President he is the Vise President..

[TunaMelt]

No problem. Lots of posters seem upset by the home address thing, and I thought I'd toss in my 2¢.

As for Cindy writing checks, yes, she can. But sooner or later (and I'm hoping for sooner) the IRS will find time for a little "chat" with Cindy. She's going to have to justify every nickel she spends.

As for CMAF "contributing" to the Anthony's mortgage: They can claim a percentage of the home expenses for an office. This is usually done as a square-footage percentage of the home. However, a home office is a red flag to the IRS. I have a home office that I claim on my personal taxes, and you can bet the IRS was out here looking at it in person. (Fortunately, it's a separate building full of computers, so I passed the test. If Cindy has a bed in her "home office," or she stores clothes in there, they will not be as generous.)

Exactly.
We're thinking along the same lines -- see my post above about the Ants and the IRS.

That will be their undoing because they're too greedy to play it straight.

:smile:

[*MoonRider*]

Or me! :beer:

Add me to that list. When George faked his almost suicide I lost all respect for him. I woke up to George being hospitalized and I had deep sympathy for him. I found myself trying to imagine how he must have felt to realize that his daughter could leave his precious Caylee in the woods in a garbage bag. The enormity of that would certainly be a heavy burden on his heart. Then he referenced dark veiled comments about Casey's friends and that was it for me. He doesn't like to work and was looking for a get rich scheme with Nigeria. GMAB, they man has hit the Caylee gravy train and Cindy might be the conductor but he's blowing the whistle all the way to the bank. moo

[aproudmom]

No problem. Lots of posters seem upset by the home address thing, and I thought I'd toss in my 2¢.

As for Cindy writing checks, yes, she can. But sooner or later (and I'm hoping for sooner) the IRS will find time for a little "chat" with Cindy. She's going to have to justify every nickel she spends.

As for CMAF "contributing" to the Anthony's mortgage: They can claim a percentage of the home expenses for an office. This is usually done as a square-footage percentage of the home. However, a home office is a red flag to the IRS. I have a home office that I claim on my personal taxes, and you can bet the IRS was out here looking at it in person. (Fortunately, it's a separate building full of computers, so I passed the test. If Cindy has a bed in her "home office," or she stores clothes in there, they will not be as generous.)

I pray you are correct and they watch them very close cause they run with cons and they are all about making money for bears and billboards..the only problem I have is they ask that the donations come to their home if there was a account it could be sent right into the account and not to their home..some are stupid enough to send cash that will be a little harder to track than checks..IMO

[5boxersmom]

Doesn't that make it worse somehow? If he keeps those loving memories in his heart and mind and yet continue to lie to the court about the things surrounding the death of his precious grandchild?

I still hold out hope GA will do the right thing and stand up for Caylee and tell the truth (ALL OF IT ) to bring her murdering mother to some sort of justice.

In a way yes, but I was thinking about him saying this at the memorial. At least he does talk about her some, more then I can say for the other 3. I feel like I got to know Caylee alittle by him saying those things about her.

He lies because he knows who butters his bread. He is the one that has to live with that.

imo

[101Spots]

Exactly.
We're thinking along the same lines -- see my post above about the Ants and the IRS.

That will be their undoing because they're too greedy to play it straight.

:smile:

Yea, verily. The IRS may not come right away, but they *WILL* come. Cindy better have every i dotted, every t crossed, and a copy of every receipt in triplicate.

Tee. Hee. :biggrin:

[Tornado]

Yea, verily. The IRS may not come right away, but they *WILL* come. Cindy better have every i dotted, every t crossed, and a copy of every receipt in triplicate.

Tee. Hee. :biggrin:

Can you imagine CA having to sit down with the IRS to justify the foundation on every level. She is so direspectful and sarcastic, I can only imagine the scene she would create.

[101Spots]

Can you imagine CA having to sit down with the IRS to justify the foundation on every level. She is so direspectful and sarcastic, I can only imagine the scene she would create.

I'm sure the agents can handle it. But oh, the visual!!! :lol:

[Pruddennce]

I swear, I'm not trying to argue or be ugly, but do you really believe that? I get the complete opposite. I see GA as as spineless piece of clay that allows himself to be molded into whatever the person he is with wishes him to be at that moment. He gets NO sympathy from me.

Exactly. he is a chameleon. not ONE original thought. he squandered the family funds AND according to Cindy's mother, was applying for credit cards in Cindy's name, then maxed them out, probably with the 'line of credit' checks that accompany them.

and people wonder where Casey obtained her fraud skills?

he did the 'good 'ole boy' act with LE and said what he smelled was a decomposing body. he KNEW the smell.

when faced with cameras, and his wife's talons digging into his leg, he says IT WAS GARBAGE....in direct contradiction to his official statement to LE AND the FBI, that he SWORE was the truth. further, the evidence presented clearly indicates there wasnt any FOOD rotting in the car. end of story.

any man that has to SNEAK into the police station to 'talk without his wife knowing', has a HUGE PROBLEM....exactly what you said: no backbone........what did he do after his secret interview, he goes on national tv and LIES......

spineless and a scammer who cant hold a job down....or if he does have one, it has to pass inspection by his wife. backbone? common earthworm.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[AMS]

Casey Anthony: Pal says she never mentioned Zenaida or Zanny

A former close friend of Casey Anthony testified today she had never heard of Zenaida Gonzalez or Zanny the nanny.

Annie Downing answered all questions during an hourlong deposition taken by Gonzalez's lawyers, WESH-Channel 2's Bob Kealing reported this afternoon. But Downing and her attorney didn't take questions from reporters, Kealing added.

The importance of Downing's insights? Her testimony contradicted Anthony family members, who said they heard Casey mention the nanny, Kealing said. Downing also said that Casey Anthony had never mentioned Zenaida Gonzalez, Kealing added.

Gonzalez is suing Anthony for defamation for linking her to Caylee Anthony's disappearance. Anthony is charged with the first-degree murder of Caylee, her daughter.

Gonzalez's lawyers said Downing's deposition helped their client and gave insights into the Anthony family, Kealing reported.

Casey and her mother, Cindy, had clashed over Caylee, Downing explained. Gonzalez attorney John Dill summed up the situation, "Cindy [was] kind of overstepping her bounds as far as being the mom to Caylee and how that was ... an ongoing point of friction between the two of them."

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony--7.html

imo

[101Spots]

Exactly. he is a chameleon. not ONE original thought. he squandered the family funds AND according to Cindy's mother, was applying for credit cards in Cindy's name, then maxed them out, probably with the 'line of credit' checks that accompany them.

and people wonder where Casey obtained her fraud skills?

he did the 'good 'ole boy' act with LE and said what he smelled was a decomposing body. he KNEW the smell.

when faced with cameras, and his wife's talons digging into his leg, he says IT WAS GARBAGE....in direct contradiction to his official statement to LE AND the FBI, that he SWORE was the truth. further, the evidence presented clearly indicates there wasnt any FOOD rotting in the car. end of story.

any man that has to SNEAK into the police station to 'talk without his wife knowing', has a HUGE PROBLEM....exactly what you said: no backbone........what did he do after his secret interview, he goes on national tv and LIES......

spineless and a scammer who cant hold a job down....or if he does have one, it has to pass inspection by his wife. backbone? common earthworm.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Sooooooo...... Reading between the lines here, I'd guess you don't think much of ol' Georgie?

"common earthworm" :lol:

[rambo55]

Add me to that list. When George faked his almost suicide I lost all respect for him. I woke up to George being hospitalized and I had deep sympathy for him. I found myself trying to imagine how he must have felt to realize that his daughter could leave his precious Caylee in the woods in a garbage bag. The enormity of that would certainly be a heavy burden on his heart. Then he referenced dark veiled comments about Casey's friends and that was it for me. He doesn't like to work and was looking for a get rich scheme with Nigeria. GMAB, they man has hit the Caylee gravy train and Cindy might be the conductor but he's blowing the whistle all the way to the bank. moo

I totally agree. Isn't this one of the saddest cases you have ever followed? If this poor baby is this alone now in all this carp, just how she must have felt on a daily basis. She didn't have outsiders love and determination for her in her short life. R.I.P. Caylee.

[Pruddennce]

In a way yes, but I was thinking about him saying this at the memorial. At least he does talk about her some, more then I can say for the other 3. I feel like I got to know Caylee alittle by him saying those things about her.

He lies because he knows who butters his bread. He is the one that has to live with that.

imo

I mean no disrespect, but IMO, looking at the stars and going to the mailbox, was a real eye opener as to what this family DID NOT engage in with their granddaughter......

what a life.....safe and sound in the house, in the yard and thats about it as far as her activities.......

heck Cindy had her on the first leg of one of her vacation weeks, and couldnt come up with an activity as to how she spent time with her...stuttered around and mumbled something about the supermarket...YEAH! they left the house to go buy food....

when she wasnt looking at the back of her mother's head in the car, she was sleeping on a stranger's couch or in her mother's bunkmate's bed......

I think I saw two PICs of caylee anywhere other than her home......AT THE BEACH when she was younger and at Tony's apt by the pool, the last time HE saw her alive. then we have the video outing Father's day.....last time she was outside of the house alive with other people.

which brings me to another point: camera happy Casey has not one pic of Caylee's days and nites with the nanny....for almost TWO YEARS...

IMO, the pros will bring that up. LOUDLY.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[5boxersmom]

I mean no disrespect, but IMO, looking at the stars and going to the mailbox, was a real eye opener as to what this family DID NOT engage in with their granddaughter......

what a life.....safe and sound in the house, in the yard and thats about it as far as her activities.......

heck Cindy had her on the first leg of one of her vacation weeks, and couldnt come up with an activity as to how she spent time with her...stuttered around and mumbled something about the supermarket...YEAH! they left the house to go buy food....

when she wasnt looking at the back of her mother's head in the car, she was sleeping on a stranger's couch or in her mother's bunkmate's bed......

I think I saw two PICs of caylee anywhere other than her home......AT THE BEACH when she was younger and at Tony's apt by the pool, the last time HE saw her alive. then we have the video outing Father's day.....last time she was outside of the house alive with other people.

which brings me to another point: camera happy Casey has not one pic of Caylee's days and nites with the nanny....for almost TWO YEARS...

IMO, the pros will bring that up. LOUDLY.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Oh I agree but George is the only one who talked about Caylee that way. I find that strange. I don't think they saw her as a person. IMO

I also saw a pic of George and Caylee at a zoo.

No I do not like George anymore then the other 3 just that he did at least talk about Caylee at the memorial. More then I can say about Cindy and Lee, well unless you count CMA, CMA. :biggrin:

I have never heard Casey say much about her at all.

imo

[rambo55]

Exactly. he is a chameleon. not ONE original thought. he squandered the family funds AND according to Cindy's mother, was applying for credit cards in Cindy's name, then maxed them out, probably with the 'line of credit' checks that accompany them.

and people wonder where Casey obtained her fraud skills?

he did the 'good 'ole boy' act with LE and said what he smelled was a decomposing body. he KNEW the smell.

when faced with cameras, and his wife's talons digging into his leg, he says IT WAS GARBAGE....in direct contradiction to his official statement to LE AND the FBI, that he SWORE was the truth. further, the evidence presented clearly indicates there wasnt any FOOD rotting in the car. end of story.

any man that has to SNEAK into the police station to 'talk without his wife knowing', has a HUGE PROBLEM....exactly what you said: no backbone........what did he do after his secret interview, he goes on national tv and LIES......

spineless and a scammer who cant hold a job down....or if he does have one, it has to pass inspection by his wife. backbone? common earthworm.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*


Thank you! Sometimes I almost feel villified for speaking my mind when it comes to GA. For some reason he has gotten a pass from some - maybe it is his "Gomer" style, but in my eyes he is no less culpable.He seems to have cared the most, yet he won't stand up for Caylee... I don't understand why.

[Katprint]

Oh I agree but George is the only one who talked about Caylee that way. I find that strange. I don't think they saw her as a person. IMO

I also so a pic of George and Caylee at a zoo.

No I do not like George anymore then the other 3 just that he did at least talk about Caylee at the memorial. More then I can say about Cindy and Lee, well unless you count CMA, CMA. :biggrin:

I have never heard Casey say much about her at all.

imo
When I heard Annie's testimony about Annie's dog, it made me wonder if maybe Cindy has seen a photo of Caylee and Annie's dog and if maybe Cindy thought she could spin that into Caylee and Zanny/Zany/Zani's dog. Kind of like the photo of Z's apartment, which mutated into an apartment of a friend of Casey's that was set up just like Z's apartment.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[5boxersmom]

When I heard Annie's testimony about Annie's dog, it made me wonder if maybe Cindy has seen a photo of Caylee and Annie's dog and if maybe Cindy thought she could spin that into Caylee and Zanny/Zany/Zani's dog. Kind of like the photo of Z's apartment, which mutated into an apartment of a friend of Casey's that was set up just like Z's apartment.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Maybe. I wonder when Caylee talked about the dog and if it was when she was around Annie?

[Pruddennce]

Sooooooo...... Reading between the lines here, I'd guess you don't think much of ol' Georgie?

"common earthworm" :lol:

:D NOPE. he's a liar and committed fraud as well. credit cards, scamming his wife? thats pretty lowdown.....as if he wouldnt get caught? casey and george are thieves.

sure, they loved 'that little girl', but C&G were not involved in her short life to the extent they are attempting to project to the public.

they were all 'doing their own thing'. spent zero time addressing their daughter's criminal behaviour, thus, this child became 'at risk' every time Casey left the house with Caylee.

sheesh, Casey could have been arrested at any moment, the possibility existed she was committing additional frauds they didnt know about....which they SHOULD have considered....the well ran dry.....she was stealing gas......

this case could have turned out quite differently if this family CARED enough to want to locate Cayle, esp when they found the car, instead of CARING about Casey had to say when the car was located........

grotesque behaviour. which continues...

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[101Spots]

When I heard Annie's testimony about Annie's dog, it made me wonder if maybe Cindy has seen a photo of Caylee and Annie's dog and if maybe Cindy thought she could spin that into Caylee and Zanny/Zany/Zani's dog. Kind of like the photo of Z's apartment, which mutated into an apartment of a friend of Casey's that was set up just like Z's apartment.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Just as Annie's long hair mini wiener dog morphed into a white Pomeranian mix?

Possible.

[Tornado]

Thank you! Sometimes I almost feel villified for speaking my mind when it comes to GA. For some reason he has gotten a pass from some - maybe it is his "Gomer" style, but in my eyes he is no less culpable.He seems to have cared the most, yet he won't stand up for Caylee... I don't understand why.

IMO if he stands up for Caylee he knows that he, CA, and maybe Lee are all going down. I tend to believe that there is a family secret here and if he even moves in the direction to stand up for Caylee, CA is right there to remind him that he better sit down and be quiet.

All of this cooing and coddling for KC, to me, is so that she will keep the secret. GA, I hope, realizes that none of this is going to work and she is going to rat them out anyways- he might as well speak up and come clean because it is all coming out. I don't think anyone has even come close to the evil that CA has spewed and this trial is going to be a tell all situation.

[legalmania]

No, it's not illegal.
You can run an organization from anywhere.

Also: think of bars (:wink:), for example, where people live above them. Or stores, same thing.

And nowadays, so many companies are run out of home offices...where the Anthonys will mess up IMO is that they will try to deduct their home, electricity, and other home expenses -- as business expenses. And this is where a home-run business owner has to be careful -- or the tax man will cometh.

And they will mess up in this manner. I have no doubt about it. They'll think they can fool the IRS and the joke will be on them.

And that will be the end of it. All of it.

:mellow:

Well not everywhere where I live you cannot conduct a business from your home. If you do you will be fined and closed down.

[ttcRider]

I know Grow-ops are frowned upon around where I live... :laugh:

[5boxersmom]

IMO if he stands up for Caylee he knows that he, CA, and maybe Lee are all going down. I tend to believe that there is a family secret here and if he even moves in the direction to stand up for Caylee, CA is right there to remind him that he better sit down and be quiet.

All of this cooing and coddling for KC, to me, is so that she will keep the secret. GA, I hope, realizes that none of this is going to work and she is going to rat them out anyways- he might as well speak up and come clean because it is all coming out. I don't think anyone has even come close to the evil that CA has spewed and this trial is going to be a tell all situation.

I too have always felt there is a family secret.

[rambo55]

IMO if he stands up for Caylee he knows that he, CA, and maybe Lee are all going down. I tend to believe that there is a family secret here and if he even moves in the direction to stand up for Caylee, CA is right there to remind him that he better sit down and be quiet.

All of this cooing and coddling for KC, to me, is so that she will keep the secret. GA, I hope, realizes that none of this is going to work and she is going to rat them out anyways- he might as well speak up and come clean because it is all coming out. I don't think anyone has even come close to the evil that CA has spewed and this trial is going to be a tell all situation.


Well then, maybe someone should slap the carp outta GA now and tell him *#%@ the secret! A baby is dead, nothing could be worse than killing a baby. Tell LE EVERYTHING you know.

[Pruddennce]

Maybe. I wonder when Caylee talked about the dog and if it was when she was around Annie?

5boxers, IMO, she might have uttered DOG one time when she was beginning to form words, and that was the extent of her conversing about a dog.....most likely during the period that Casey was visiting Annie alot at Sawgrass....

Cindy lies. embellishes. she has one brick for a foundation and then builds her lies from there. EVERYONE KNOWS, friends and family that it was a contentious relationship.

Caylee was beginning to talk alot more. I dont believe for one minute she was talking about a dog in recent days. and I can bet that Cindy asked her a few questions when she was alone with Caylee, about her sitter and Zack, and Caylee was unresponsive. and if Casey was around, the subject was changed by Casey as to not have Caylee talk about her day....TIME FOR A BATH!

Casey was clearly running out of options....a child that is forming sentences....no good for Casey's phony life. it was coming apart.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[legalmania]

Hi Caylee it's been a while since I played a song for you so this song is for Caylee and all the little angels around her.

----------------
Now playing: Jane Siberry - Calling All Angels (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/jane_siberry/track/calling_all_angels)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[Imperfect4]

I swear, I'm not trying to argue or be ugly, but do you really believe that? I get the complete opposite. I see GA as as spineless piece of clay that allows himself to be molded into whatever the person he is with wishes him to be at that moment. He gets NO sympathy from me.

I'm not talking about how you or I feel about George. I'm talking about what I've witnessed and/or sensed about George's male acquaintances since the disappearance/death of Caylee.

[5boxersmom]

5boxers, IMO, she might have uttered DOG one time when she was beginning to form words, and that was the extent of her conversing about a dog.....most likely during the period that Casey was visiting Annie alot at Sawgrass....

Cindy lies. embellishes. she has one brick for a foundation and then builds her lies from there. EVERYONE KNOWS, friends and family that it was a contentious relationship.

Caylee was beginning to talk alot more. I dont believe for one minute she was talking about a dog in recent days. and I can bet that Cindy asked her a few questions when she was alone with Caylee, about her sitter and Zack, and Caylee was unresponsive. and if Casey was around, the subject was changed by Casey as to not have Caylee talk about her day....TIME FOR A BATH!

Casey was clearly running out of options....a child that is forming sentences....no good for Casey's phony life. it was coming apart.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

That's what I was thinking considering they had not been around Annie much.

I also think Caylee starting to talk more was becoming a problem for Casey.

imo

[Imperfect4]

It's sickening, the thought of Cindy skipping to her mailbox and reaching in and pulling out envelopes of $$, but it's not illegal.

:mad:

It IS sickening. ITA. :mad:

[Imperfect4]

I'll give George this. He is the only one that has talked about Caylee. How he pulled her around the neighborhood in the wagon, how they looked at the stars and moon. Watching Spongebob and dancing around. Teaching her You are My Sunshine.

I have never heard Cindy, Casey or Lee talk about Caylee like this. :shrug:

imo

I agree. George was able to capture with words who Caylee was much better than any of the rest of them. Lee didn't even mention her name. Cindy only spoke of what Caylee did for her, and the OC referred to her as "captivating" fgs.

[really3997]

Ok I don't think the board should be open until I get home...Off to read anyone want to give me a read into what I missed

[GumShoeJoe]

Dick Tracy,

Reading Annies depo, some of Cindy's lies are in there. If you haven't already listed as part of CIndy's lies, you should add:

1) Cindy was sending out emails in Casey's name instead of her own.

2) In the bond hearing she indicated that Casey had graduated from high school, which is not true.

[rambo55]

I'm not talking about how you or I feel about George. I'm talking about what I've witnessed and/or sensed about George's male acquaintances since the disappearance/death of Caylee.


On the first part of your respone I am clear ( our individual feelings) but I don't follow about what you have learned / felt regarding his friends since Caylees death. I hope you have time to enlighten me since I am not able to keep up as frequently as I would like. TIA

[sammy62]

Oh I agree but George is the only one who talked about Caylee that way. I find that strange. I don't think they saw her as a person. IMO

I also saw a pic of George and Caylee at a zoo.

No I do not like George anymore then the other 3 just that he did at least talk about Caylee at the memorial. More then I can say about Cindy and Lee, well unless you count CMA, CMA. :biggrin:

I have never heard Casey say much about her at all.

imo

I rewatched the depositions today...and despite George's terrible attitude problem, when he talked about Caylee...there was true sadness in his voice. I do believe he loved her and took care of her a lot. But its sad that Caylee didn't have more than this dysfunctional family. I truly believe she is playing up in heaven with our black lab Misty.

[Tornado]

Well then, maybe someone should slap the carp outta GA now and tell him *#%@ the secret! A baby is dead, nothing could be worse than killing a baby. Tell LE EVERYTHING you know.

ICA- maybe he will get there yet.

[*MoonRider*]

:D NOPE. he's a liar and committed fraud as well. credit cards, scamming his wife? thats pretty lowdown.....as if he wouldnt get caught? casey and george are thieves.

sure, they loved 'that little girl', but C&G were not involved in her short life to the extent they are attempting to project to the public.

they were all 'doing their own thing'. spent zero time addressing their daughter's criminal behaviour, thus, this child became 'at risk' every time Casey left the house with Caylee.

sheesh, Casey could have been arrested at any moment, the possibility existed she was committing additional frauds they didnt know about....which they SHOULD have considered....the well ran dry.....she was stealing gas......

this case could have turned out quite differently if this family CARED enough to want to locate Cayle, esp when they found the car, instead of CARING about Casey had to say when the car was located........

grotesque behaviour. which continues...

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence...*
Love ya Pru:wub:sending Xanax your way. lol Cindy calls the media maggots for not looking for an alive Caylee while the OC is sitting in her home assembling her "media binder".

[Dick Tracy]

Exactly. he is a chameleon. not ONE original thought. he squandered the family funds AND according to Cindy's mother, was applying for credit cards in Cindy's name, then maxed them out, probably with the 'line of credit' checks that accompany them.

and people wonder where Casey obtained her fraud skills?

he did the 'good 'ole boy' act with LE and said what he smelled was a decomposing body. he KNEW the smell.

when faced with cameras, and his wife's talons digging into his leg, he says IT WAS GARBAGE....in direct contradiction to his official statement to LE AND the FBI, that he SWORE was the truth. further, the evidence presented clearly indicates there wasnt any FOOD rotting in the car. end of story.

any man that has to SNEAK into the police station to 'talk without his wife knowing', has a HUGE PROBLEM....exactly what you said: no backbone........what did he do after his secret interview, he goes on national tv and LIES......

spineless and a scammer who cant hold a job down....or if he does have one, it has to pass inspection by his wife. backbone? common earthworm.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

I love reading your posts. Straight from the HEART, like a 9mm Glock.

[Dick Tracy]

Dick Tracy,

Reading Annies depo, some of Cindy's lies are in there. If you haven't already listed as part of CIndy's lies, you should add:

1) Cindy was sending out emails in Casey's name instead of her own.

2) In the bond hearing she indicated that Casey had graduated from high school, which is not true.

10-4... I've found a whole lot more today. I took the day off, and have been researching lots of stuff. I will share.

[*MoonRider*]

Ok I don't think the board should be open until I get home...Off to read anyone want to give me a read into what I missed

Is Surburban flooded? You didn't miss much at all. Hearing postponed because BC threw his back out trying to throw Cindy off. moo

[really3997]

Is Surburban flooded? You didn't miss much at all. Hearing postponed because BC threw his back out trying to throw Cindy off. moo

:scared:Ok now I am going to have bad dreams..No not flooded but it has only rained yesterday and the day before all day

[Tornado]

Is Surburban flooded? You didn't miss much at all. Hearing postponed because BC threw his back out trying to throw Cindy off. moo

I will be down that way tomorrow and will see if i can find out. The office pals are always up for a research ride at lunch.

[Tornado]

:scared:Ok now I am going to have bad dreams..No not flooded but it has only rained yesterday and the day before all day

Well there goes my lunch investigation. Dang it....

[really3997]

Well there goes my lunch investigation. Dang it....

Sorry it's my only job can I keep it please:crying:

[~jomomma~]

Is Surburban flooded? You didn't miss much at all. Hearing postponed because BC threw his back out trying to throw Cindy off. moo

i've been wondering all day what else could've caused it!!! :scared:

[*MoonRider*]

[QUOTE=TunaMelt;13127423]Question to anyone and everyone:

I'm curious.

Why do you think Cindy really wanted KC to keep the baby when she found out she was pregnant.

I never heard an explanation. If she said it was for religious reasons, that's a lie, imo. She wouldn't care, not really. We've seen too much of her duplicity to believe that she really has true religious convictions.

Cindy had some kind of motivation, other than religious. imo.

Why do you think Cindy really actually wanted KC to keep her baby?

:confused:[/QUOTE)

I agree with you. I think Caylee's father is part of the mystery of their finances including paying for atty now. I don't think Casey would let her have a baby by a nobody.
Big money jumped in to help them.

IMO By the time Cindy knew if was too late for an abortion. (6/7 months) According to LP Casey only thought in 5 minute increments so she would deal with the situation tomorrow. Tomorrow.....tomorrow....

[~jomomma~]

shoot...i tried to quote that post and it didn't work right

anyway...

Susaanh...i never thought about it that way!

[Tornado]

Sorry it's my only job can I keep it please:crying:

Wellll.... you are closer. But if you fly off on vacation to the Bahamas or something then I get to fill in. :biggrin:

[MrsHudson]

Oh, I agree with you. He's a burden more than anything else, imo. But I don't think men would necessarily view it that way -- especially men who met him after Caylee went "missing." My guess is he's a pretty sympathetic character to a lot of men who see him as a victim of his wife and daughter. Lenny never says a bad word about him, either. His clay-like qualities would appeal to male acquaintances (his attorneys and Milstead come immediately to mind) who need him to be malleable for whatever reason. He's willing to accept their advice and help, and he has the capacity to be grateful for it -- unlike the little missus.

Oh I don't agree at all that other men are sympathetic to George. Gah, real men look down on hen-pecked guys. Mine does and he thinks George is a waste of space. Dennis Milstead is a zero. I mean come on ugh. What he thinks about anyone and anything is probably wrong. Lenny is focused on Cindy because she's so awful, George is not even on Lenny's radar screen because Cindy's personality is the predominant attention grabber. JMO.

[really3997]

Wellll.... you are closer. But if you fly off on vacation to the Bahamas or something then I get to fill in. :biggrin:

Really, thanks...I don't see me flying anywhere my donation jar is empty

[MrsHudson]

I am confused. I thought I heard Cindy tell Morgan that she gave Casey permission to use her credit cards. If I am right then she's lying to protect Casey.

Or maybe Im wrong because now Morgan wants her to answer a question about if Casey stole the cards.

Has anyone else like George or Lee or Shirley told LE that Casey stole money from Cindy? If so then Cindy can't get away with lying about it.

Can someone help me on this???

[~jomomma~]

I totally agree. Isn't this one of the saddest cases you have ever followed? If this poor baby is this alone now in all this carp, just how she must have felt on a daily basis. She didn't have outsiders love and determination for her in her short life. R.I.P. Caylee.

wow...yeah!

you know the phrase 'she's in a better place'

[imc_e]

I think IF Cindy GAVE permission for Casey to use her credit cards, then Cindy would not have called the credit card company and cancelled those numbers.

We'll see what the records show, regardless of what Cindy says Casey had permission to do.

jmo

[Tornado]

I am confused. I thought I heard Cindy tell Morgan that she gave Casey permission to use her credit cards. If I am right then she's lying to protect Casey.

Or maybe Im wrong because now Morgan wants her to answer a question about if Casey stole the cards.

Has anyone else like George or Lee or Shirley told LE that Casey stole money from Cindy? If so then Cindy can't get away with lying about it.

Can someone help me on this???

I have gone back and both Shirley (August 21st interview) and then Lees initial statment to LE allude to the fact that KC had used credit cards without permission.

i have not gotten to GA's yet.

[MrsHudson]

I just read Annie's depo for the ZFG case. I know that the attorneys are trying to prove that there is no other Zenaida Gonzalez connected to Sawgrass but, is it just me, or do they get way off track? Sometimes it seems as if it's all about Casey murdering Caylee. For instance, what would it matter what the relationship between Cindy and Casey was in regard to this case?

No it's not off track. Morgan needs to prove his client was not involved in Caylee's being missing and murdered. If he can prove Casey killed Caylee then it clears his client's name. He explained this to Cindy during the depositions. He's doing fine don't worry.

[djmsmom]

I just finished reading Annies depo, On one hand she sounds like shes telling the truth. But still seems really weird to me, that her and Casey didn't talk about anything after she got out of jail, and they spent the night together. Is the fact that the ant's never mentioned Zanny in those days good or bad for the civil suit?

[MrsHudson]

I have gone back and both Shirley (August 21st interview) and then Lees initial statment to LE allude to the fact that KC had used credit cards without permission.

i have not gotten to GA's yet.

Oh wow that's great. I sure appreciate your looking for that info. So if Cindy thinks she can lie that Casey had permission to use the cards it ain't gonna work. Heh heh heh heh.

[*MoonRider*]

When I first started following this case, I had sympathy for Cindy too. It went downhill very quickly when she rambled on at the bond hearing. "She's just like me", right after her graduation (she didn't graduate), We've talked about Zanny for 3 years, Casey is my best friend, she hasn't committed a crime, she needs to be home with her family, there is no evidence, when Casey lies she always tells the truth, my son has friends that do that kind of work, she's the Mom of the group (just like me, proud as a peacock) she's been able to give her attorney a lot of good advice (understatement), I only cry about things that are out of MY control, lying is not a criminal offense, maybe someone put a body in the car after it was towed, I would go on but I can't swallow. Pass the Xanax, puff, puff, pass.

[Daffodil]

I totally agree. Isn't this one of the saddest cases you have ever followed? If this poor baby is this alone now in all this carp, just how she must have felt on a daily basis. She didn't have outsiders love and determination for her in her short life. R.I.P. Caylee.



I agree with you. So very sad. And their actions now sure do shed some light on how they treated her and what they thought of her. How could they just pretend like she never existed? How can they support Casey instead of Caylee? Just can not figure that one out.

[MrsHudson]

I just finished reading Annies depo, On one hand she sounds like shes telling the truth. But still seems really weird to me, that her and Casey didn't talk about anything after she got out of jail, and they spent the night together. Is the fact that the ant's never mentioned Zanny in those days good or bad for the civil suit?

Jose told Casey not to talk about the case to anyone so I see nothing suspicious about the two of them not talking about it. Casey was just doing what Jose told her to do.

It's good for the civil case I think that Annie says she never heard of Zanny. It shows that Casey was all over the place when it came to this person Zanny.

[MrsHudson]

And don't be trying to dis Mrs H's Morgan. When he speaks, we'd all better listen and not doubt!:thumbup:

I :wub: John Morgan. He's mine forevahhhh and evahhh!

[Tornado]

Oh wow that's great. I sure appreciate your looking for that info. So if Cindy thinks she can lie that Casey had permission to use the cards it ain't gonna work. Heh heh heh heh.

Too add, near the end of this same interview with Lee - CA ends up informing the responding officer that the JC Penny card is just one of many KC had taken from her.

This cannot work out well for CA at all..

[Daffodil]

I mean no disrespect, but IMO, looking at the stars and going to the mailbox, was a real eye opener as to what this family DID NOT engage in with their granddaughter......

what a life.....safe and sound in the house, in the yard and thats about it as far as her activities.......

heck Cindy had her on the first leg of one of her vacation weeks, and couldnt come up with an activity as to how she spent time with her...stuttered around and mumbled something about the supermarket...YEAH! they left the house to go buy food....
when she wasnt looking at the back of her mother's head in the car, she was sleeping on a stranger's couch or in her mother's bunkmate's bed......

I think I saw two PICs of caylee anywhere other than her home......AT THE BEACH when she was younger and at Tony's apt by the pool, the last time HE saw her alive. then we have the video outing Father's day.....last time she was outside of the house alive with other people.

which brings me to another point: camera happy Casey has not one pic of Caylee's days and nites with the nanny....for almost TWO YEARS...

IMO, the pros will bring that up. LOUDLY.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*



I agree with you somewhat. I don't think a 2 to 3 year old child is missing out on much because most of their pictures show them only in the home.

But how heart breaking when you said she saw the back of her Mommy's head while in the car. And sleeping on strangers' couches.

But the part I bolded was about Cindy's vacation. That has always upset me. I remember her telling LE that she had Caylee those days. Then when asked what they did on those days, Cindy couldn't really think of what to say so I think she just threw "shopping" out there never expecting them to ask where. And she says the grocery store!!!!!

Does anyone remember which days Cindy had her during that time and where Casey was for those days?

[Daffodil]

:D NOPE. he's a liar and committed fraud as well. credit cards, scamming his wife? thats pretty lowdown.....as if he wouldnt get caught? casey and george are thieves.

sure, they loved 'that little girl', but C&G were not involved in her short life to the extent they are attempting to project to the public.

they were all 'doing their own thing'. spent zero time addressing their daughter's criminal behaviour, thus, this child became 'at risk' every time Casey left the house with Caylee.

sheesh, Casey could have been arrested at any moment, the possibility existed she was committing additional frauds they didnt know about....which they SHOULD have considered....the well ran dry.....she was stealing gas......

this case could have turned out quite differently if this family CARED enough to want to locate Cayle, esp when they found the car, instead of CARING about Casey had to say when the car was located........

grotesque behaviour. which continues...

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence...*


Okay, now I agree with everything you just posted.

[MrsHudson]

How funny. Someone on another blog commented that George and Cindy have now told more lies than Casey! I bet it's true too.

[Daffodil]

IMO if he stands up for Caylee he knows that he, CA, and maybe Lee are all going down. I tend to believe that there is a family secret here and if he even moves in the direction to stand up for Caylee, CA is right there to remind him that he better sit down and be quiet.

All of this cooing and coddling for KC, to me, is so that she will keep the secret. GA, I hope, realizes that none of this is going to work and she is going to rat them out anyways- he might as well speak up and come clean because it is all coming out. I don't think anyone has even come close to the evil that CA has spewed and this trial is going to be a tell all situation.



I also agree with everything you just posted. The secret will come out, no question about it. But I think the secret may be that they were there when Caylee died and told Casey, "She's yours, you take care of it. Look at what you did!!!". That brings me back to the jail phone call where Casey said something like "Are you kidding? You don't know what my involvement is?" Make sense to anyone else besides me?

I wonder if we "bloggers" are ever able to help LE on this case.

[MrsHudson]

It'll be a secret. I don't think any of the other posters can tell yet.:wink:

LOL and don't tell Mr.Mrs. Hudson either.

[Daffodil]

[QUOTE=Susaanh;13127972]

IMO By the time Cindy knew if was too late for an abortion. (6/7 months) According to LP Casey only thought in 5 minute increments so she would deal with the situation tomorrow. Tomorrow.....tomorrow....




Oh, I think Cindy knew much, much earlier than that.

[~jomomma~]

I also agree with everything you just posted. The secret will come out, no question about it. But I think the secret may be that they were there when Caylee died and told Casey, "She's yours, you take care of it. Look at what you did!!!". That brings me back to the jail phone call where Casey said something like "Are you kidding? You don't know what my involvement is?" Make sense to anyone else besides me?

I wonder if we "bloggers" are ever able to help LE on this case.


Casey: Because I don't f---ing know where she's at. Are you kidding me?

Cindy: Casey, don't waste your call to...

Casey: no.

Cindy: ... scream and holler at me.

Casey: Waste may call sitting in oh, the jail in...

Cindy: Whose fault is...

Casey: ... where punks are?

Cindy: Well whose fault is your sitting in jail? Are you blaming me that you're sitting in jail?

Casey: Not my fault.


:sneaky:


dang...ETA after looking at this again (changing to red)

[Tornado]

I also agree with everything you just posted. The secret will come out, no question about it. But I think the secret may be that they were there when Caylee died and told Casey, "She's yours, you take care of it. Look at what you did!!!". That brings me back to the jail phone call where Casey said something like "Are you kidding? You don't know what my involvement is?" Make sense to anyone else besides me?

I wonder if we "bloggers" are ever able to help LE on this case.

Could be that it started when Caylee was murdered, I tend to lean towards the more sinister secret theory. To me, they didn't start behaving this way overnight and if they are this freakin' sick in public, I try not to think about what was going on behind close doors.

And yes, I think that LE has been helped by people just like us, everywhere.

[djmsmom]

How funny. Someone on another blog commented that George and Cindy have now told more lies than Casey! I bet it's true too.

"what lies"......:biggrinjester:

[Daffodil]

No it's not off track. Morgan needs to prove his client was not involved in Caylee's being missing and murdered. If he can prove Casey killed Caylee then it clears his client's name. He explained this to Cindy during the depositions. He's doing fine don't worry.



Thank you. That is the clearest explanation I could have ever gotten about this case. Puts it all into perspective.

[doradoll]

[QUOTE=TunaMelt;13127423]Question to anyone and everyone:

I'm curious.

Why do you think Cindy really wanted KC to keep the baby when she found out she was pregnant.

I never heard an explanation. If she said it was for religious reasons, that's a lie, imo. She wouldn't care, not really. We've seen too much of her duplicity to believe that she really has true religious convictions.

Cindy had some kind of motivation, other than religious. imo.

Why do you think Cindy really actually wanted KC to keep her baby?

:confused:[/QUOTE)

I agree with you. I think Caylee's father is part of the mystery of their finances including paying for atty now. I don't think Casey would let her have a baby by a nobody.
Big money jumped in to help them.

I doubt Cindy ever heard the same story about adoption that Casey was telling Kio. She was a liar and told anyone she was with what she thought they wanted to hear. "you can't have a baby?...maybe you can have mine"..."you need a place to stay?...I am going to have my own house next month"....Lee's former room mate said she was thrilled, at seven months pregnant, with the baby (and that she didn't have a tumor)

and I think that Casey has NO idea who the father of the baby was...otherwise, they would have been garnishing a paycheck, I am sure

I think Cindy was glad to not have a father in the picture. She had full control.

[Tia]

I also agree with everything you just posted. The secret will come out, no question about it. But I think the secret may be that they were there when Caylee died and told Casey, "She's yours, you take care of it. Look at what you did!!!". That brings me back to the jail phone call where Casey said something like "Are you kidding? You don't know what my involvement is?" Make sense to anyone else besides me?

I wonder if we "bloggers" are ever able to help LE on this case.

Bolding mine.

Yes! That has always bothered me. I wouldn't be surprised if your theory is exactly what happened.

[MrsHudson]

I also agree with everything you just posted. The secret will come out, no question about it. But I think the secret may be that they were there when Caylee died and told Casey, "She's yours, you take care of it. Look at what you did!!!". That brings me back to the jail phone call where Casey said something like "Are you kidding? You don't know what my involvement is?" Make sense to anyone else besides me?

I wonder if we "bloggers" are ever able to help LE on this case.

I don't know. When Casey said, "You don't know what my involvement is?" I think she meant "Are you accusing ME of having something to do with this?" That freaked Cindy out and she realized that she'd better stop saying or doing ANYTHING that made Casey look guilty. Cause it was from that time on that Cindy changed her tune and started defending Casey all the way.

I think the secret is an open secret that Cindy would avoid admitting to at all costs and that is that her fight with Casey and her domineering relationship with Casey as well as her co-opting Caylee from Casey is a huge factor in why Casey went over the edge. Remember Casey's poem? "On the worst of worst days remember the words spoken. " I think she was referring to the fight or to something Cindy said to her.

[Daffodil]

Bolding mine.

Yes! That has always bothered me. I wouldn't be surprised if your theory is exactly what happened.



You know we have all these little tidbits thrown at us every which way. I think once you can tie it all together it makes a complete circle. But who am I to say that? My theory is only one among many I believe could have happened.

[doradoll]

I also agree with everything you just posted. The secret will come out, no question about it. But I think the secret may be that they were there when Caylee died and told Casey, "She's yours, you take care of it. Look at what you did!!!". That brings me back to the jail phone call where Casey said something like "Are you kidding? You don't know what my involvement is?" Make sense to anyone else besides me?

I wonder if we "bloggers" are ever able to help LE on this case.


I think Casey was just acting incredulous, "my involvement???"....so, you think I have involvement? how could you think that? everyone knows that I would never hurt my daughter! etc etc etc.......

[legalmania]

I agree with you somewhat. I don't think a 2 to 3 year old child is missing out on much because most of their pictures show them only in the home.

But how heart breaking when you said she saw the back of her Mommy's head while in the car. And sleeping on strangers' couches.

But the part I bolded was about Cindy's vacation. That has always upset me. I remember her telling LE that she had Caylee those days. Then when asked what they did on those days, Cindy couldn't really think of what to say so I think she just threw "shopping" out there never expecting them to ask where. And she says the grocery store!!!!!

Does anyone remember which days Cindy had her during that time and where Casey was for those days?

I'm not a Cindy lover either, but as long as Caylee was in their hands she was alive.

[aproudmom]

Well then, maybe someone should slap the carp outta GA now and tell him *#%@ the secret! A baby is dead, nothing could be worse than killing a baby. Tell LE EVERYTHING you know.

I would be more than happy to take on that job:biggrin:
I am a little afraid of CA and her hammer and bats though..

[Daffodil]

I don't know. When Casey said, "You don't know what my involvement is?" I think she meant "Are you accusing ME of having something to do with this?" That freaked Cindy out and she realized that she'd better stop saying or doing ANYTHING that made Casey look guilty. Cause it was from that time on that Cindy changed her tune and started defending Casey all the way.

I think the secret is an open secret that Cindy would avoid admitting to at all costs and that is that her fight with Casey and her domineering relationship with Casey as well as her co-opting Caylee from Casey is a huge factor in why Casey went over the edge. Remember Casey's poem? "On the worst of worst days remember the words spoken. " I think she was referring to the fight or to something Cindy said to her.

Hi Mrs. Hudson,

I love your posts because I think your personality comes across so clearly to us. I think there was probably a 60's movie made about you. But then you could be the exact opposite of what I picture you to be.

Anyway, I still think what I first originally posted. But if Cindy got spooked when Casey said that line........could it be because what she really heard in her head was Casey saying, "You don't know what my involvement is? Are you kidding me? Say it again and I will just tell them all about it and what your involvement is too. So shut up B-----!!!!

[Daffodil]

I'm not a Cindy lover either, but as long as Caylee was in their hands she was alive.


That's a good point. But then, are we really sure of that? Could Cindy and/or George have been there when it happened? A think there is a strong possibility that could be the case.

[djmsmom]

I think Casey was just acting incredulous, "my involvement???"....so, you think I have involvement? how could you think that? everyone knows that I would never hurt my daughter! etc etc etc.......

I agree with you, I think the calls to 911 were real it wasn't untill later that Cindy relised that having a murder for a daughter would make her look bad.

[apothecary]

Bolding mine.

Yes! That has always bothered me. I wouldn't be surprised if your theory is exactly what happened.
I find that one hard to believe because Cindy did threaten to call CPS on Casey and take Caylee from her on that phone call to the police.She must have thought Caylee was alive at this point or why would she say such a thing.

[KittyMom]

Can someone tell me what One Tree Hill is about?

[aproudmom]

I'm not a Cindy lover either, but as long as Caylee was in their hands she was alive.

I think CA should have raised the child since she would not allow KC to give the baby up for adoption KC never wanted Caylee CA did and then she failed to protect what she wanted..she more less forced her to be the perfect Mommy even though she has no idea what that means..jmo

[Daffodil]

I find that one hard to believe because Cindy did threaten to call CPS on Casey and take Caylee from her on that phone call to the police.She must have thought Caylee was alive at this point or why would she say such a thing.



That is a good point. It's just that Cindy is so evil, so,so,so EVIL that I think she could have been there when Caylee died.

[legalmania]

That's a good point. But then, are we really sure of that? Could Cindy and/or George have been there when it happened? A think there is a strong possibility that could be the case.

There is no way in my mind, why would Cindy call 911 and say my daughters car smells like a dead body and want her arrested Cindy was in the dark just like everybody else was. When they spoke to Casey in jail they were always asking what happened. G&C loved that baby, unfortunetly they trusted the wrong person with her.

[aproudmom]

I think Casey was just acting incredulous, "my involvement???"....so, you think I have involvement? how could you think that? everyone knows that I would never hurt my daughter! etc etc etc.......

yeah I have to agree with you it was cause she was angry that her mommy would say well sweetie we don't know what your involvement is..it just pizzed her off IMO

[KittyMom]

I can't wait until the SA compares Annie's depo to her interview with Yuri. If she's lying about anything it will be obvious.

Listening to her was like listening to Casey. Strange.

[MrsHudson]

Hi Mrs. Hudson,

I love your posts because I think your personality comes across so clearly to us. I think there was probably a 60's movie made about you. But then you could be the exact opposite of what I picture you to be.

Anyway, I still think what I first originally posted. But if Cindy got spooked when Casey said that line........could it be because what she really heard in her head was Casey saying, "You don't know what my involvement is? Are you kidding me? Say it again and I will just tell them all about it and what your involvement is too. So shut up B-----!!!!

Oh gosh I have to know the movie now! Was it Dr. Strangelove, Mary Poppins, Rosemary's Baby or Psycho? :seeya:

You know you just might be right about that and yet remember Lee on that same phone call saying, "I am done with this." And they were all mad wanting to know why she wanted Tony's number at a time like that.

[legalmania]

Sorry, I didn't read your post. Interesting question,:biggrin: however.

great minds think alike. Anyway are you still confused?

[Daffodil]

Why would Cindy then say to the police department the car smelled like a dead person was in it. Would she not just keep her mouth shut if she knew something?
Now I'm confused.:confused:



I'm confused too!!! I love to brainstorm ideas and issues because I think they could lead you to the answer but every statement you make while brainstorming is not always right but it might make you think of something else that will get you there.


But why would she go back to work? Why would she wait until her 3rd call to 911 to mention a missing grandchild? I really think that she was just more pizzed and mad and spastic that she didn't know what Casey did with the body. I think she finally thought, "I'll show you. How about if I tell them that I could smell a dead body in my car." Maybe she sounds genuine at that moment because she has pushed the envelope as far as she could.

But then in a minute or two I will think a different theory.

[Oregongal]

:D NOPE. he's a liar and committed fraud as well. credit cards, scamming his wife? thats pretty lowdown.....as if he wouldnt get caught? casey and george are thieves.

sure, they loved 'that little girl', but C&G were not involved in her short life to the extent they are attempting to project to the public.

they were all 'doing their own thing'. spent zero time addressing their daughter's criminal behaviour, thus, this child became 'at risk' every time Casey left the house with Caylee.

sheesh, Casey could have been arrested at any moment, the possibility existed she was committing additional frauds they didnt know about....which they SHOULD have considered....the well ran dry.....she was stealing gas......

this case could have turned out quite differently if this family CARED enough to want to locate Cayle, esp when they found the car, instead of CARING about Casey had to say when the car was located........

grotesque behaviour. which continues...

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Pru, I love everything you post. You explain many things in a very comprehensive and understandable way with waaay few words than I attempt to write in many words. I also agree with you and applaud you when you write about the family dynamics of the Ant's.
I am at this moment watching the movie 'Montster' on WE. Since I am always looking at the psychological reasons behind the curtains and how everyone has been talking about George and Cindy today. Watching this movie it suddenly hit me that people, whether good or bad seem to be drawn together by their psychological needs. This movie 'Monster' is about Aileen Wuornos. It includes the relationship she had with her 'girlfriend', played by Christina Ricci.
IMO, George was drawn to Cindy because he knew somehow that she would be what he couldn't be. And he stayed/got back with her for the same reason. They produced two children and molded them into their image. Lee apparently was the golden child. Lee was who George always wanted to be, Cindy loved that in him because he was what George wasn't. Even tho she stayed with George, she had a son that seemed to be what she wanted George to be and that was acceptable and she may have thought Lee would make up for all that George wasn't. Then Casey came along and was more like Cindy, which Cindy initionally thought was great. When problems with Casey began, which may have started long before her teen years and long before Caylee was born. Cindy ignored, excused, covered and rationalized all of these things in Casey, because she was so much like she was.
This worked for quite a long time, until now.
Casey finally broke the mold of the family. She went against all that Cindy expected. She went further than Cindy ever would have. Lee and George were doing what satisfied her need to be the 'boss'. The matriarch. The head of this little family that had been built upon needs and wants that to us, don't look like 'normal' families are. For this family tho, it was normal and acceptable.
When Casey became pregnant, I have no doubt that Cindy knew she was pregnant. Being a nurse and a woman, she knew. But, she went along with the lies Casey was telling. Yet, within her she may have been gleeful that there was going to be another little person, a grandchild, that would give her the chance of a do over.
When Caylee was born she immediatly took control of her. For those first 2 yrs of Caylee's life, it most likely was great....except that Cindy did not have complete control of Caylee.
When it came down to the point where Cindy felt she had to think of trying to take custody (legally) of Caylee and she hit on Casey with this as well as, not only the theft from the ggparents, but all the things she'd been stewing about...Casey going out and partying, many, many times leaving Caylee in the care of Cindy. Cindy thought, if I'm going to be caring for Caylee, I should have custody of her.
Cindy complained to her co workers about how much she had to watch Caylee when Casey was out. I don't know, but I think she knew in her mother gut that Casey wasn't working. She knew that what ever Casey told her was not the truth. I think that thru out the years she knew Casey was lying to to her again and again and again. That may have been a huge part of the fight that occured on Father's Day.
Cindy's words and actions since Casey's arrest and especially since Caylee's remains were found, have shown to me that she knew her daughter better than any of us. Cindy knows her daughter killed her grandaughter. But, she as well as Casey will ever admit it.
For Cindy admit it would be to show the world that her family was screwed. It was not as she continually presented it and continually tries to present it. It would show that she was part of the reason Caylee is dead. Not only does she feel as if she would be blamed, she feels that she again failed when she was trying her best to do a do over. So now she continues to do whatever she can to overcome her feelings of failure in her own life as well as continually trying to bring everyone back to the before this all happened time.
Love? Was there any ever real love with this family? I can't judge that. I have to admit that my own personal experiences with my ex have colored my view.
I was married to a man who continually told me he loved me. We divorced (I filed) and ever since he has done his best to annihiltate all of those years until I am facing absolute devestation. Homelessness, moneyless and he could care less. Yet, just today he sent my dd $100 for my gson. This after emailing me about her email to him about her anger and how "he didn't appreciate her sending him and email about how horrible he was as a father to him".
Go figure.

I know I've taken up a ton of space, many will not even read this thru.
But, I go back to what I originally started with....agreeing with Pru and how I've been thinking about this whole Casey, Cindy, George...and Lee family psyco-dynamics that led to the death of an innocent, beautiful lil girl.
I think I feel that she was just an incidental piece of this family and that's why the survivors are sticking with Casey instead of standing for Caylee.
She was a little doll for George, he loved her in his way, he toted her along the neighborhood in her little wagon, they checked the mail together, he made her breakfast and played with her in the morning. She was a do over for Cindy. A chance to make Caylee into the daughter that Casey wasn't for her. Lee...he's so illusive, I'm not sure what his part in all of this is.
But, bottom line, she's dead and gone. For all of them. For whatever reason they loved her, it wasn't enough to be there for her now. And that is the saddest part of it all.
Caylee has been lost and almost forgotten within this squirrely (sorry) family.
Which is why I continue to stick with you all and post my very long posts about how I feel and think about this case.
We all love Caylee and want justice for her.
I will not ever forget or leave this lil angels side, and all of you who feel the same, until justice finally comes for her.

Caylee, you were a sweet, beautiful, bright little girl. I pray every day that your death will be justified. I know you are now in a far better place than any of us who continue to stand with you. You are with your true Father and I thank Him for holding you close and keeping you away from all the awfullness that is going on in this world since you've been gone.
I will continue to stand for you until the day I meet you in heaven.
:rose:

[Daffodil]

Oh gosh I have to know the movie now! Was it Dr. Strangelove, Mary Poppins, Rosemary's Baby or Psycho? :seeya:

You know you just might be right about that and yet remember Lee on that same phone call saying, "I am done with this." And they were all mad wanting to know why she wanted Tony's number at a time like that.

I would have to say a cross between Mary Poppins and oh, maybe Barefoot in the Park. Not my best choice but can't really think now. Oh, wait, the Mod Squad. Definitley the Mod Squad!!!!

[apothecary]

I agree that Cindy is evil and thinks she knows everything.It would not suprise me in the least if she was the one who introduced Casey to "just a little bit of drug" to keep Caylee quiet.She being a nurse would know how much to give and may have even given Casey some of her tranquillizers to give to Caylee.(just to settle her down now and then)If this is true Cindy would not want it known and Casey would not divulge it because it would also be a confession.I still think Caylee died from a drug overdose deliberate or accidental.Cindy had many prescriptions in her cabinet and LE took the bottles.I think this is the big secret and Cindy feels responsible for Caylee's death.Just my opinion.I also think the same thing happened with Madeline McCann.

[MrsHudson]

Why would Cindy then say to the police department the car smelled like a dead person was in it. Would she not just keep her mouth shut if she knew something?
Now I'm confused.:confused:

Right! After that jail phone call about "You don't know my involvement" Jose probably told all of them to cool it with anything that looked like an accusation from the family. Because after that they were all on Casey's side except for George on that one occasion when he sneaked out to have a one on one with LE which he thought would not be made public. No I am sticking to my idea that the family has just made up their minds that they are not going to give LE anything that would harm Casey because they don't want to have a murderer in the family, they don't want anyone to think it was their inadequate family dynamic that contributed to the death of Caylee and because Cindy does not want anyone to think her relationship with Casey was horrible.

[legalmania]

I keep reading back and I'm not getting the answer I want. Why is it possible that Cindy was there when Caylee died. (both Casey and Cindy):confused:

I don't think she was that was why I responded about the 911 call. Anybody got a timeline of how Cindy could have been there?

[Daffodil]

I agree that Cindy is evil and thinks she knows everything.It would not suprise me in the least if she was the one who introduced Casey to "just a little bit of drug" to keep Caylee quiet.She being a nurse would know how much to give and may have even given Casey some of her tranquillizers to give to Caylee.(just to settle her down now and then)If this is true Cindy would not want it known and Casey would not divulge it because it would also be a confession.I still think Caylee died from a drug overdose deliberate or accidental.Cindy had many prescriptions in her cabinet and LE took the bottles.I think this is the big secret and Cindy feels responsible for Caylee's death.Just my opinion.I also think the same thing happened with Madeline McCann.


Wow, you think Madeline McCann was overdosed by her mother. Wasn't she a doctor? Maybe that is why they didn't need a babysitter. Interesting. And they couldn't just report it or call an ambulance because then everyone would know what she did. Wow, that is really interesting.

I would also tend to agree that Cindy did probably teach Casey how to medicate Caylee. But I don't think Cindy feels responsible or guilty because she is just confrontational, bitter and always ready for a fight. If she felt guilty, I think those other traits would be less noticeable. Maybe she is the way she is because she is fighting for her life. Maybe she was there when Caylee died and maybe not. Either way, I think we all can agree that she knows something and could probably go to jail for it.

[Daffodil]

I don't think she was that was why I responded about the 911 call. Anybody got a timeline of how Cindy could have been there?

The only timeline I know for sure is that Cindy had Caylee at the nursing home. She really is the last person to be seen with her, other than the word of other Anthony family members. And even still, they got the date wrong and said it was June 9th. June 9th also happens to be the night both Casey and Caylee were sleeping in Ricardo's bed and Caylee was not there in the morning.

We know there was a big fight Father's Day weekend.

[MrsHudson]

I would have to say a cross between Mary Poppins and oh, maybe Barefoot in the Park. Not my best choice but can't really think now. Oh, wait, the Mod Squad. Definitley the Mod Squad!!!!

Oh my gosh this is amazing! You are exactly right. I am a cross between Mary Poppins and Linc Hayes of the Mod Squad. Linc's hair and Mary's clothes and umbrella. Uncanny! :laugh:

[MrsHudson]

snipped...

Either way, I think we all can agree that she knows something and could probably go to jail for it.


You speak the truth grasshopper.

[doradoll]

I'm confused too!!! I love to brainstorm ideas and issues because I think they could lead you to the answer but every statement you make while brainstorming is not always right but it might make you think of something else that will get you there.


But why would she go back to work? Why would she wait until her 3rd call to 911 to mention a missing grandchild? I really think that she was just more pizzed and mad and spastic that she didn't know what Casey did with the body. I think she finally thought, "I'll show you. How about if I tell them that I could smell a dead body in my car." Maybe she sounds genuine at that moment because she has pushed the envelope as far as she could.

But then in a minute or two I will think a different theory.

I think they both went back to work because this was just ONE MORE TIME that Casey had pulled some stunt with all her lies. They were figuring out that she wasn't in Jax. Cindy tracked her down later and insisted she be allowed to see Caylee, who was at the nanny's. It wasn't until Casey started admitting to Lee that she didn't know where Caylee was, that Cindy's "light bulb" went off and she made that last 911 call. You can clearly hear her hesitate ... a very distinct pause......before she says, "something is wrong!!!"......

[Imperfect4]

Thank you! Sometimes I almost feel villified for speaking my mind when it comes to GA. For some reason he has gotten a pass from some - maybe it is his "Gomer" style, but in my eyes he is no less culpable.He seems to have cared the most, yet he won't stand up for Caylee... I don't understand why.

No one is excusing George's behavior, so with all due respect, I think you're a tad bit overly sensitive. My point was simply that I think the males in his orbit after Caylee disappeared were/are sympathetic to him to a point. 5boxer's point was simply that George was able to speak with more feeling about Caylee than the rest of her family.

You're hardly in the minority in your feelings about George.

[Daffodil]

Oh my gosh this is amazing! You are exactly right. I am a cross between Mary Poppins and Linc Hayes of the Mod Squad. Linc's hair and Mary's clothes and umbrella. Uncanny! :laugh:

You are making me laugh!!!! I love all Doris Day movies and other movies and TV shows from the 50's to 70's.


Now, don't ask me to get anything else right. You are probably the matriarch of the family and the family stays together because of you. And you are a sincere and sweet person who can get her point across in a very vivid way. But I just got the last part from your posts!!!

[aproudmom]

There is no way in my mind, why would Cindy call 911 and say my daughters car smells like a dead body and want her arrested Cindy was in the dark just like everybody else was. When they spoke to Casey in jail they were always asking what happened. G&C loved that baby, unfortunetly they trusted the wrong person with her.

well someone taught her how to lie.. I felt so sorry for them until they started all their stupid crap of throwing everyone under the bus just because they know they also failed this child...and they just will not say we are supporting our daughter we have to but we also want justice for our Granddaughter that they loved so much ..seems they have forgot about her in all of this that is why I am angry..I hate fake people and that is just what they are FAKE but want everyone to think they had a wonderful loving home full of non-stop love..maybe non stop buying love..they let this child down also..IMO

[Daffodil]

I think they both went back to work because this was just ONE MORE TIME that Casey had pulled some stunt with all her lies. They were figuring out that she wasn't in Jax. Cindy tracked her down later and insisted she be allowed to see Caylee, who was at the nanny's. It wasn't until Casey started admitting to Lee that she didn't know where Caylee was, that Cindy's "light bulb" went off and she made that last 911 call. You can clearly hear her hesitate ... a very distinct pause......before she says, "something is wrong!!!"......

But they were already working in cover up mode. Why did they think it was necessary to make a statement about the registered letter. Most people would say I got a registered letter and then I went to pick up the car. No, the Anthonys had to say that they didn't get the notice right away because it was taped to their front door which they never use. So that is why they didn't go the very first day.

Why did George have to tell the tow yard guy that he is afraid his daughter or grand daughter may be in the trunk???????? And that is before he smelled the car!!!!!!!!!

And maybe the pause, is because she is thinking whether or not to push the envelope.

[MrsHudson]

Great post oregongal!

And hang in there, it's always darkest before the dawn.

[doradoll]

well someone taught her how to lie.. I felt so sorry for them until they started all their stupid crap of throwing everyone under the bus just because they know they also failed this child...and they just will not say we are supporting our daughter we have to but we also want justice for our Granddaughter that they loved so much ..seems they have forgot about her in all of this that is why I am angry..I hate fake people and that is just what they are FAKE but want everyone to think they had a wonderful loving home full of non-stop love..maybe non stop buying love..they let this child down also..IMO

bolding mine

imo, there is no justice for them, not in any normal sense that any other crime victim would want.....what kind of justice could they possibly want? every other person in the world can feel the justice in getting this sociopath locked away for good, but as her parents, I doubt there is such a thing as justice

[Daffodil]

well someone taught her how to lie.. I felt so sorry for them until they started all their stupid crap of throwing everyone under the bus just because they know they also failed this child...and they just will not say we are supporting our daughter we have to but we also want justice for our Granddaughter that they loved so much ..seems they have forgot about her in all of this that is why I am angry..I hate fake people and that is just what they are FAKE but want everyone to think they had a wonderful loving home full of non-stop love..maybe non stop buying love..they let this child down also..IMO



Isn't it ironic that they seem to worry so much what other people think of them and look at what they show us!!! If that is what they show us, then what is it they are trying to hide?

[doradoll]

But they were already working in cover up mode. Why did they think it was necessary to make a statement about the registered letter. Most people would say I got a registered letter and then I went to pick up the car. No, the Anthonys had to say that they didn't get the notice right away because it was taped to their front door which they never use. So that is why they didn't go the very first day.

Why did George have to tell the tow yard guy that he is afraid his daughter or grand daughter may be in the trunk???????? And that is before he smelled the car!!!!!!!!!

And maybe the pause, is because she is thinking whether or not to push the envelope.

he smelled the stench, held his breath (literally and figuratively) until they opened the trunk and found the garbage, he and the tow yard guy dispose of it, and then drove home....he probably talks to Cindy when he gets home...."wonder what the little witch is up to now?"...removes the battery and they both go back to work

[Pruddennce]

I am confused. I thought I heard Cindy tell Morgan that she gave Casey permission to use her credit cards. If I am right then she's lying to protect Casey.

Or maybe Im wrong because now Morgan wants her to answer a question about if Casey stole the cards.

Has anyone else like George or Lee or Shirley told LE that Casey stole money from Cindy? If so then Cindy can't get away with lying about it.

Can someone help me on this???

Mrs H, this is more powerful considering it was prior to the event:

Ryan Pasley: Cindy called him 3-3.5 weeks prior to WARN him about Casey, that she was a thief AND a sociopath and she stole from HER and from her grandmother.

nothing about credit credit cards, just theft in general.

yes, thats a problem for Cindy.......

page 15

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Pasley,%20Ryan0730.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Daffodil]

he smelled the stench, held his breath (literally and figuratively) until they opened the trunk and found the garbage, he and the tow yard guy dispose of it, and then drove home....he probably talks to Cindy when he gets home...."wonder what the little witch is up to now?"...removes the battery and they both go back to work



I could be wrong, but I thought he told the guy that on their way to the car. And I don't know how to look that up.

[aproudmom]

Wow, you think Madeline McCann was overdosed by her mother. Wasn't she a doctor? Maybe that is why they didn't need a babysitter. Interesting. And they couldn't just report it or call an ambulance because then everyone would know what she did. Wow, that is really interesting.

I would also tend to agree that Cindy did probably teach Casey how to medicate Caylee. But I don't think Cindy feels responsible or guilty because she is just confrontational, bitter and always ready for a fight. If she felt guilty, I think those other traits would be less noticeable. Maybe she is the way she is because she is fighting for her life. Maybe she was there when Caylee died and maybe not. Either way, I think we all can agree that she knows something and could probably go to jail for it.

my bolding

I can only hope that would be the day to see CA in cuffs..:biggrin:

[Dick Tracy]

When I first started following this case, I had sympathy for Cindy too. It went downhill very quickly when she rambled on at the bond hearing. "She's just like me", right after her graduation (she didn't graduate), We've talked about Zanny for 3 years, Casey is my best friend, she hasn't committed a crime, she needs to be home with her family, there is no evidence, when Casey lies she always tells the truth, my son has friends that do that kind of work, she's the Mom of the group (just like me, proud as a peacock) she's been able to give her attorney a lot of good advice (understatement), I only cry about things that are out of MY control, lying is not a criminal offense, maybe someone put a body in the car after it was towed, I would go on but I can't swallow. Pass the Xanax, puff, puff, pass.


Here ya go. Great post. I read it three times. Make that four. That was a great monologue of a continuing STRING of lies.

So far, there are five events I'll never forget in my life: the Kennedy asassination, Apollo 11 walking on the moon, the internet, the oj trial, and the Casey Anthony story, however it ends up.

[doradoll]

But they were already working in cover up mode. Why did they think it was necessary to make a statement about the registered letter. Most people would say I got a registered letter and then I went to pick up the car. No, the Anthonys had to say that they didn't get the notice right away because it was taped to their front door which they never use. So that is why they didn't go the very first day.

Why did George have to tell the tow yard guy that he is afraid his daughter or grand daughter may be in the trunk???????? And that is before he smelled the car!!!!!!!!!

And maybe the pause, is because she is thinking whether or not to push the envelope.

believe me, if you have ever been behind in your bills, or been bankrupt, you are not in a hurry to pick up registered mail....Also, I just found a package on my frontdoor step from 2 days ago. We use our garage to go in and out, just like the A's.

[doradoll]

I could be wrong, but I thought he told the guy that on their way to the car. And I don't know how to look that up.

I don't think so.

[Daffodil]

believe me, if you have ever been behind in your bills, or been bankrupt, you are not in a hurry to pick up registered mail....Also, I just found a package on my frontdoor step from 2 days ago. We use our garage to go in and out, just like the A's.



I get that. But why did they need to tell it? Wouldn't most people just say that they got the letter and then went to pick up the car. They even made a point that they "always" use the garage door to get into the house. Didn't someone say that liars give too much details?

[Tia]

That is a good point. It's just that Cindy is so evil, so,so,so EVIL that I think she could have been there when Caylee died.

I do too. Cindy lies, Casey lies, Geo lies............

[Dick Tracy]

Mrs H, this is more powerful considering it was prior to the event:

Ryan Pasley: Cindy called him 3-3.5 weeks prior to WARN him about Casey, that she was a thief AND a sociopath and she stole from HER and from her grandmother.

nothing about credit credit cards, just theft in general.

yes, thats a problem for Cindy.......

page 15

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Pasley,%20Ryan0730.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

What tickles the you know what out of me is "no high school diploma Casey's" corner office in an entry level position at Universal Studios with the ability to telecommute from home whenever she wanted to, and she had a job that everyone else had to go to college for.

And everyone believed her........

[Pruddennce]

he smelled the stench, held his breath (literally and figuratively) until they opened the trunk and found the garbage, he and the tow yard guy dispose of it, and then drove home....he probably talks to Cindy when he gets home...."wonder what the little witch is up to now?"...removes the battery and they both go back to work

thats it. you are most assuredly correct in both of their attitudes....well, the truth is in their actions. Cindy went back to work, George reported to work at his scheduled time.

Cindy was so cagey and arrogant in her LE interview when she spoke of having the battery removed "just in case SOMEBODY' was going to come for the car......she was asked to expound on that.....WHO? she is asked.....she wont say....

NOW, why not simply state the WHO of the situation? the only person driving that car was Casey, SHE abandoned it.....and there sits Cindy saying SOMEBODY....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Pruddennce]

I get that. But why did they need to tell it? Wouldn't most people just say that they got the letter and then went to pick up the car. They even made a point that they "always" use the garage door to get into the house. Didn't someone say that liars give too much details?

the devil is in the details :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru



*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[doradoll]

I can't wait until the SA compares Annie's depo to her interview with Yuri. If she's lying about anything it will be obvious.

Listening to her was like listening to Casey. Strange.


It is like there is a Central Florida "valley girl" accent. I hope that I don't have it.

[MrsHudson]

You are making me laugh!!!! I love all Doris Day movies and other movies and TV shows from the 50's to 70's.


Now, don't ask me to get anything else right. You are probably the matriarch of the family and the family stays together because of you. And you are a sincere and sweet person who can get her point across in a very vivid way. But I just got the last part from your posts!!!

Awe :blush: shucks mam. Uh oh if we stray from topic much more were going to be puband camp. So back to Casey..............

Actually I think the A's suspected Casey of being involved in what happened to Caylee because they looked under the playhouse and smelled the car.... they started covering up for her because they knew by intuition that Casey was involved but not by information or hard facts. The cover up gets more frantic and deeper and broader the more incriminating facts that LE comes up with.

[aproudmom]

But they were already working in cover up mode. Why did they think it was necessary to make a statement about the registered letter. Most people would say I got a registered letter and then I went to pick up the car. No, the Anthonys had to say that they didn't get the notice right away because it was taped to their front door which they never use. So that is why they didn't go the very first day.

Why did George have to tell the tow yard guy that he is afraid his daughter or grand daughter may be in the trunk???????? And that is before he smelled the car!!!!!!!!!

And maybe the pause, is because she is thinking whether or not to push the envelope.

I thought he was telling the guy how sorry he was over CA throwing a fit about the cost to get it out and then he opened the door and smelled the car and said something like I am afraid my daughter or granddaughter could be in the trunk so the tow guy opened it..the tow yard guy even said it smelled like a Dec body..but he then threw the trash bag away and off GA and CA went..LA even said I have no idea how he drove that car as bad as it smelled...

[Daffodil]

Well, good night everyone. I was going to sign off about an hour ago but it was so interesting tonight. Thanks to everyone for making it interesting and thought provoking.

Prayers for all.

Prayers that the Anthony's will face the truth, embrace it and make peace with it.

[apothecary]

But they were already working in cover up mode. Why did they think it was necessary to make a statement about the registered letter. Most people would say I got a registered letter and then I went to pick up the car. No, the Anthonys had to say that they didn't get the notice right away because it was taped to their front door which they never use. So that is why they didn't go the very first day.

Why did George have to tell the tow yard guy that he is afraid his daughter or grand daughter may be in the trunk???????? And that is before he smelled the car!!!!!!!!!

And maybe the pause, is because she is thinking whether or not to push the envelope.
I think George was already suggesting the "abduction"story by saying his granddaughter was missing.He may even have smelled the trunk that June24..He and possibly saw it at Amscott and driven up and checked out the car and smelled it then.I think he knew Caylee was dead and was already going into cover up mode with the suggestion that his granddaughter was missing.He may have seen the abandonned car and decided to leave it there to look like a kidnap.Something happened between him and Casey because they were suddenly great buds.My dad borrowed the car and ran over a squirrel...my dad will look after the car...my dad,my dad.He was the one she picked for a visit for a reason.I think George tried to make up for past mistakes to Casey and started to cover for her.

[legalmania]

The only timeline I know for sure is that Cindy had Caylee at the nursing home. She really is the last person to be seen with her, other than the word of other Anthony family members. And even still, they got the date wrong and said it was June 9th. June 9th also happens to be the night both Casey and Caylee were sleeping in Ricardo's bed and Caylee was not there in the morning.

We know there was a big fight Father's Day weekend.

Caylee went missing on the 16th according to George right, Cindy was at work on that day but Casey was seen alone after that day, June 9th was a week before Caylee went missing. So them fighting that night may have led up to Caylees death. Just not sure, I would rather count on the forensics.

[aproudmom]

I can't wait until the SA compares Annie's depo to her interview with Yuri. If she's lying about anything it will be obvious.

Listening to her was like listening to Casey. Strange.

I have not listened to her latest depo so did she tell a different story?

[MrsHudson]

This is logical to me. The fact that Cindy (a loving grandmother) would complain about needing to watch Caylee tells me she is not and never was the motherly or grandmother type in the sense that we know it.
Not when she had Casey and not when Caylee came along. I think she really wanted to do a "do-over" and when she knew Casey was pregnant she had a passion for it. I believe she could not change the kind of person she was. Cindy most likely didn't have a mother child relationship when she was small. Cindy if full of anger and rage because there is a part of her that blames herself for all this. She raised Casey.
Casey took after her mother and was not the "motherly" woman she should have been. As a result she became cold and calculated and she was full of anger and wanted nothing to do with Caylee. She regretted having Caylee after the initial excitement was over and she realized she had a responsibility from morning to night.
Casey was so busy being self centered and the star child in that family there was no room for Caylee. Caylee did nothing but get in her way.
She was so angry at her mother at the time of the fight they had. She snapped. I think her brother knows her better than anyone in that house. He knows she killed Caylee, too. Dunno.

Wow good insights. Also I think Casey missed her "baby of the family" status. I remember in a jail visit George said something about Caylee being gone and Casey said, "I'm still here." Something a very young sibling might say but not a mother.

[aproudmom]

I think George was already suggesting the "abduction"story by saying his granddaughter was missing.He may even have smelled the trunk that June24..He and possibly saw it at Amscott and driven up and checked out the car and smelled it then.I think he knew Caylee was dead and was already going into cover up mode with the suggestion that his granddaughter was missing.He may have seen the abandonned car and decided to leave it there to look like a kidnap.Something happened between him and Casey because they were suddenly great buds.My dad borrowed the car and ran over a squirrel...my dad will look after the car...my dad,my dad.He was the one she picked for a visit for a reason.I think George tried to make up for past mistakes to Casey and started to cover for her.

I have to say one of his best is THE D**M DEAD BODY in the back of my Daughter car was not my granddaughter...had to laugh at that one so there was a dead body just not Caylee..wonder if they ever go to You tube and listen to all their yelling matches and see just how stupid they sound

[Pruddennce]

What tickles the you know what out of me is "no high school diploma Casey's" corner office in an entry level position at Universal Studios with the ability to telecommute from home whenever she wanted to, and she had a job that everyone else had to go to college for.

And everyone believed her........

ha! amazing, but IMO DT, not surprising. her 'new group of friends' hardly paid attention to her....busy with their own 'stuff'.....her old friends that she all but drifted away from when she hooked up with Ricardo, again, busy with their own lives....

but a few did have their doubts...(IIRC there are few statements in the docs)......not about whether she actually had a job, rather her position was not what she purported it to be....

after reading Ryan P's statement again, he does state she had a 'one upmanship attitude'.....any time he would mention one of his accomplishments she would try to deflate it by saying something about herself, made attempts to elevate herself above him.....*IM BETTER*......

strange friendship.....but he did notice that about her. C&G found out she didnt work at Sports Authority (thru Ryan P).....so this behaviour is not about new friends or another crowd....

she was a thief before her two new boyfriends......and a problem in that home...

well, ALL OF THEM ARE A PROBLEM .......IMO. :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru



*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Imperfect4]

Cindy's 911 calls have always bugged me. I cannot figure out why she would wait until the 3rd call to report Caylee missing especially after the smell in the car. I would have been screaming my butt off as soon as I picked up Casey without Caylee.

One thing Cindy said in the 911 call was: My grand daughter is missing and I NEED her. Why "need", why not say it like it is "I am terrified" but she was too calm. Been there, done that and believe me if you are terrified it will show in a 911 call. You are just lucky to be able to talk.

I think Cindy said she "needed" Caylee because that's all Caylee was in that household -- a filler of needs. Not once did anyone in that family voice concern about what Caylee might be going through while she was "missing." I found that horrifying. Not once did we see a tear of concern for the fact Caylee was surely scared, missing her family, perhaps hungry, tired, cold, hurt. The A's seem only to view others through the lens of their own needs.

[legalmania]

I want to dedicate this to Caylee, it's getting closer to us hearing your voice again. We all love you and justice is yours.


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via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[Imperfect4]

I hate missing everything! Can someone tell me... did I miss anything major today? I went to the links section and all I saw is that BC didn't show up.

Was Lee (I mean the man, not the finger :rolleyes:) deposed today?

Hi Pooh. :smile: Annie was deposed, but nothing about Lee that I know of.

[aproudmom]

Cindy's 911 calls have always bugged me. I cannot figure out why she would wait until the 3rd call to report Caylee missing especially after the smell in the car. I would have been screaming my butt off as soon as I picked up Casey without Caylee.

One thing Cindy said in the 911 call was: My grand daughter is missing and I NEED her. Why "need", why not say it like it is "I am terrified" but she was too calm. Been there, done that and believe me if you are terrified it will show in a 911 call. You are just lucky to be able to talk.

911 calls are usually used in trials and a lot of jurors really look for the odd behavior of the person..I have watched so many of the live trials on here and some 911 calls amaze me so I am sure CA will be hearing all her calls at the trial..but now she is saying she said it to get them there faster..OK PLEASE you tell a 911 operator a car smells like a dead body to get them there faster..then remember KC did not even want to talk to the 911 dispatcher so the jury will also hear that..but guess it was not part of Zanny's script for her to follow

[Pruddennce]

I don't know if anyone is still here, but I think it woudl be very easy for someone in a wheelchair to throw his back out. When you're trying to hoist your body from your bed into the chair or from your chair into your car etc., you could probably really hurt yourself.

anything is possible with his 'condition', but probable in light of what just went down?....the continuation of the lawsuit....NAH.

he bailed, probably because he is not prepared or he didnt feel like 'dealing' today......happens to alot of people.....but with clients such as the Anthonys, every day is a 'deal day'.....

ughhh...

IMO

best regards,
Pru



*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[aproudmom]

I want to dedicate this to Caylee, it's getting closer to us hearing your voice again. We all love you and justice is yours.


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Now playing: Sheryl Crow - Angel (feat. Sarah McLachlan) (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/sheryl_crow/track/angel_feat_sarah_mclachlan)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

thanks legal always loved when you would post these songs for our Caylee:wub:

[Pruddennce]

I have not listened to her latest depo so did she tell a different story?

she mentioned when Casey was bailed out, she stayed overnite, (actually saw her face to face 2x).......one of those instances, Casey told her that caylee would be home by her third birthday...well, Caylee's birthday had already passed by the time she was bailed out.....

sounds like Annie was confusing her own conversation with someone else's.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Dovey]

Is there a link of Annie's depo or a transcript available?
Sorry if I'm behind but I drove all day and missed but trying to catch up.

[camracrazy]

Snipped:

Question to anyone and everyone:

Cindy had some kind of motivation, other than religious. imo.

Why do you think Cindy really actually wanted KC to keep her baby?

:confused:

I tend to think it was a "You did the crime, now you do the time" attitude. Somehow I can picture Cindy lecturing Casey about having sex and Casey saying that she wasn't. So when Cindy found out she was pregnant, she was furious that she had been lied to and that Casey went against what Cindy told her to do. The best way to "punish" her wasn't to let her take the easy way out and abort or adopt.

JHMO

[aproudmom]

I don't know if anyone is still here, but I think it woudl be very easy for someone in a wheelchair to throw his back out. When you're trying to hoist your body from your bed into the chair or from your chair into your car etc., you could probably really hurt yourself.

I agree and would totally believe him other than I have caught him also in lies and I feel he has his hands full with these people and needed to by more time..but it could have happened...

was he in a accident is he married..I have not read up to much on him..

[Pruddennce]

Is there a link of Annie's depo or a transcript available?
Sorry if I'm behind but I drove all day and missed but trying to catch up.

Dovey,

transcript:

http://www.forthepeople.com/Downing.pdf

video: (choppy)

http://www.forthepeople.com/


best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[imc_e]

I don't know if anyone is still here, but I think it woudl be very easy for someone in a wheelchair to throw his back out. When you're trying to hoist your body from your bed into the chair or from your chair into your car etc., you could probably really hurt yourself.


Ya it is possible, but I think Brad saw Cindy do THIS in court...

http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/spatzele/?action=view&current=CAfinger3webcopy.jpg

:sneaky:

[Dick Tracy]

ha! amazing, but IMO DT, not surprising. her 'new group of friends' hardly paid attention to her....busy with their own 'stuff'.....her old friends that she all but drifted away from when she hooked up with Ricardo, again, busy with their own lives....

but a few did have their doubts...(IIRC there are few statements in the docs)......not about whether she actually had a job, rather her position was not what she purported it to be....

after reading Ryan P's statement again, he does state she had a 'one upmanship attitude'.....any time he would mention one of his accomplishments she would try to deflate it by saying something about herself, made attempts to elevate herself above him.....*IM BETTER*......

strange friendship.....but he did notice that about her. C&G found out she didnt work at Sports Authority (thru Ryan P).....so this behaviour is not about new friends or another crowd....

she was a thief before her two new boyfriends......and a problem in that home...

well, ALL OF THEM ARE A PROBLEM .......IMO. :D

IMO

best regards,
Pru



*waiting on maggot evidence......*


YES! Amazing, hearing of someone's accomplishments at that young age, and calculating Casey immediately has to be one better than them, and doing it so nonchalantly.

SHE SAID SHE HAD A NANNY! wtf? Aren't nanny's sort of reserved for high-powerd on-the-go SUCCESSFUL woman corporate executives that make six figures a year? C'mon..... the fact that she buffaloed her mom and dad (even though daddy had his doubts), and they believed her. Gawd o'mighty!!!!!!!!!! That's what gets me. They believed her, and they still knew she was LYING.

Casey is a product of a dysfunctional family. She probably didn't get much love growing up. And I read something interesting today, GA may not even be her real father. That would have some bearing on how that family interacted. There's absolutely no resemblance to GA, not even in the slightest. If there, I DON'T SEE IT.

[imc_e]

Hmm the poster on this blog SURE sounds familiar..

http://community2.myfoxorlando.com/_GOD-BLESS-BRAD-CONWAY/blog/237893/72667.html

:scared:

[Dick Tracy]

I want to dedicate this to Caylee, it's getting closer to us hearing your voice again. We all love you and justice is yours.


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Now playing: Sheryl Crow - Angel (feat. Sarah McLachlan) (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/sheryl_crow/track/angel_feat_sarah_mclachlan)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

Hey Legal, Good evening!

Those songs are so cool. Thanks ! Is there a song on that album with Sarah M? - I was looking for a song called Angel - send me to the confused corner :drool:

[imc_e]

Just had a good giggle, this profile for Brad Conway says it ALL..

http://www.bconwaylaw.com/jsp2104707.jsp

[Dovey]

Dovey,

transcript:

http://www.forthepeople.com/Downing.pdf

video: (choppy)

http://www.forthepeople.com/


best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

TYVM Prud
I hope I can stay awake long enough to read it all.

[Dick Tracy]

Just had a good giggle, this profile for Brad Conway says it ALL..

http://www.bconwaylaw.com/jsp2104707.jsp

OH MY... that was a five star laugh.

[Dick Tracy]

Dick T - I don't think the lack of love when Casey was growing up contributed much to her problem. Look at Scott P, he was worshiped by his parents. I don't think any of the the Anthonys know what love is or expect it from each other. George & Cindy are out for the $$$$ now and that is the only reason they are trying to save that murderer.

Cindy is a no class beech, George is a lazy idiot, Lee is ignorant and Caylee thought sex and lies gave her power.

I enjoy your posts.

and I enjoy yours as well!!!

I'm sure you meant Casey and I totally agree. Each is unique. Casey is delusional and a sociopath, and so is SP. They're both calculating. They both wanted to show off to someone, SP being the world most successful fertilizer salesman (HEY! I'm in Paris, and it's New Years Eve Amber!!) and Casey having a NANNY!!! A nanny!! for her big high powered corner office job at Universal Studios.

Fakes. I hate them!

[imc_e]

OH MY... that was a five star laugh.

I can't find any information on why he is in a wheelchair..hm

even Dr Perper tells what happened to his head. :smile:

[imc_e]

Apparently BC had a surfing accident in 1981 and does work for the disabled.


Brad was born September 10, 1965 in Washington D.C. He is the oldest of three children. Brad and his family moved to Brevard County in 1977 and lived on South Merritt Island. In 1981, Brad was paralyzed in a surfing accident just north of Sebastian Inlet. After nine months in a physical rehabilitation hospital located in Orlando, Brad returned to high school and graduated in December 1983 from Melbourne High.

Education:

* Bachelor of Arts, University of Florida, December 1988
* Juris Doctor, University of Florida College of Law, December 1991

Career:
Brad worked for Joe DuRocher at the Public Defender's Office from March 1992 until December 1997. Brad began private practice in December 1997, specializing in Criminal Defense Litigation.
In 1999, Brad was asked to join the Board of Directors at the Center for Independent Living. The Center for Independent Living provides assistance to individuals with disabilities of all types. This includes job training and placement as well as assistance with daily living needs including finding housing that is appropriate for the individual's specific disability. Brad served as a board member until 2002, finishing his service as Vice President of the Board. In 2004, Brad became one of Orlando's AV (top rated) Criminal Defense Lawyers.

Brad has recently represented small business owners sued in U.S. Federal Court under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Based on the challenges Brad has overcome, he has the ability to bring his clients into compliance with Federal law while minimizing the cost of modifications and avoiding unnecessary litigation for the small business owner.

Brad is an avid scuba diver and fisherman. He has a great passion for the outdoors, especially Florida and its various waterways from the Atlantic to the Gulf, the Intracoastal waterways to the Everglades and the Florida Keys.

[aproudmom]

Ya it is possible, but I think Brad saw Cindy do THIS in court...

http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/spatzele/?action=view&current=CAfinger3webcopy.jpg

:sneaky:

:ohmy:omg she did not just do what I think my eyes saw did she

[imc_e]

:ohmy:omg she did not just do what I think my eyes saw did she

Oh ya, she did.

Casually but with purpose.

[Katprint]

:ohmy:omg she did not just do what I think my eyes saw did she
If you want to actually see the bird in motion, you can see Cindy flip the bird for just a split second at 31:11 as she is leaving the courtroom.

http://www.wftv.com/video/19503363/index.html

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[imc_e]

I have to hit the hay, have my grand daughter tomorrow, but what would the Judge think if he saw that clip of Cindy flipping the bird in his courtroom?

I think this Judge likes the camera so I think he would watch the clips.

jmo and g'night

[aproudmom]

If you want to actually see the bird in motion, you can see Cindy flip the bird for just a split second at 31:11 as she is leaving the courtroom.

http://www.wftv.com/video/19503363/index.html

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

OMG I can not believe these people..thanks I watched the hearing but never noticed it..thanks for the links and pics EVERYONE

[seeing_eye]

YES! Amazing, hearing of someone's accomplishments at that young age, and calculating Casey immediately has to be one better than them, and doing it so nonchalantly.

SHE SAID SHE HAD A NANNY! wtf? Aren't nanny's sort of reserved for high-powerd on-the-go SUCCESSFUL woman corporate executives that make six figures a year? C'mon..... the fact that she buffaloed her mom and dad (even though daddy had his doubts), and they believed her. Gawd o'mighty!!!!!!!!!! That's what gets me. They believed her, and they still knew she was LYING.

Casey is a product of a dysfunctional family. She probably didn't get much love growing up. And I read something interesting today, GA may not even be her real father. That would have some bearing on how that family interacted. There's absolutely no resemblance to GA, not even in the slightest. If there, I DON'T SEE IT.

OMG, surely you can't be serious? I think Casey and George look so much alike they would look like twins if they were the same age. They have the exact same head shape and their facial features are the same. When Casey's eyebrows are not plucked (as they were on one court appearance) they look just like George's eyebrows. In my mind, there's no doubt they are verly closely related.

And not only that, they have the same behavior and character (or lack thereof).

[aproudmom]

I have to hit the hay, have my grand daughter tomorrow, but what would the Judge think if he saw that clip of Cindy flipping the bird in his courtroom?

I think this Judge likes the camera so I think he would watch the clips.

jmo and g'night

Night imc heading that way real soon myself..

[seeing_eye]

Just had a good giggle, this profile for Brad Conway says it ALL..

http://www.bconwaylaw.com/jsp2104707.jsp

Why is there no phone number or email on his website? He can't get many clients if no one can contact him.