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trich
05-21-2009, 01:55 PM
Brad Conway threw his back out? How does someone in a wheel chair do that? My bad! :mellow:

Glad you asked that question...I am sitting here wondering the
same thing.
I am glad that Mitnik cancelled Lee's deposition.....
I think this is just another excuse to put off the inevitable
by Cindy and George.
Glad Mitnik did not let the Anthonys get over on him by allowing
Lee's deposition to happen .

Explorer
05-21-2009, 01:56 PM
Explorer, I didn't know if you saw my post, but now it says Annie is being deposed.

Yes I did thanks. I heard Morgan tell the judge he cancelled Lees depo this morning.

Explorer
05-21-2009, 01:57 PM
He said for strategic reasons so hes on to the anthonys.

Dells
05-21-2009, 01:58 PM
not sure if the video is on here yet or not des had another link down thread not sure if it has video or not..
http://www.wftv.com/news/19521509/detail.html

Thanks so much for the link. :seeya: The video is working.

Dunlurken
05-21-2009, 01:59 PM
Glad you asked that question...I am sitting here wondering the
same thing.
I am glad that Mitnik cancelled Lee's deposition.....
I think this is just another excuse to put off the inevitable
by Cindy and George.
Glad Mitnik did not let the Anthonys get over on him by allowing
Lee's deposition to happen .

Lee will lie or laugh through the whole thing, so it's pretty irrelevant. And quite frankly, not important in the grand scheme of things. Feel sorry for Zenaida, but chit happens, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again. It's called life!

FallenAngel♥
05-21-2009, 02:00 PM
Brad Conway threw his back out? How does someone in a wheel chair do that? My bad! :mellow:

Dun,..when you figure that out let me know lol

Lavinia
05-21-2009, 02:00 PM
Brad Conway threw his back out? How does someone in a wheel chair do that? My bad! :mellow:

Not saying he did, because presumably his mouth could have worked on the phone, but paralyzed people often have trouble with muscle spasms/spasticity. Also, if he can turn at the waist, that's all it takes.

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:01 PM
Hi Dells, I think that you are on the nose with that one. Cindy was waiting to see how Lee was handled and then she would play on what he stated. But I really like how Mitnik knew that this was probably the tactic that was going on so he canceled Lee and his attorney being there so she could not get one up again. And Mitnik backed this all up by leaving a voice mail and an e-mail to inform the court before he got their for today and he followed proper court manners.

Cindy may be laughing today and throughout the next month but it will come back on her after her 51st birthday and bite her where it counts. jmo

Bolding mine...

I was glad he did that as well!:thumbup: He was very professional in court today and it really looks like he knows what he is doing. Brad, not so much.:sneaky:

Explorer
05-21-2009, 02:04 PM
I wish the judge would reschedule it for tomorrow

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:04 PM
What surprises me it that not one person involved in this case is thinking about the future. What does BC or JB think their professional careers are going to be like after this fiasco? Certainly by now they know they are crossing the line further and further as the case progresses. If they are doing it to further their reputations as a lawyer, well that has backfired to the NTH degree. As for the A's, what do they think their futures hold? On the current road they are on, no one is going to want to hire them and their fundation is a farce that will not last longer than the time it took Casey to get arrested. If Casey is found not guilty, what will their life be like then? Are they prepared to have their daughter move back into their home and continue living her life the way she was? Imagine the types of people she will be running around with then? No god loving, honest person is going to want to hang out with her?

The bus ran so far into the ditch that the crash has lasted almost over a year and continues still....what are they thinking?:confused:

JMO

Bolding mine....

I so agree w/you! JB is already a laughing stock, and Conway is well on his way of being one, especially w/his antics today of "throwing out his back". The Anthony's are making a fool of Brad Conway, and sadly, he is letting them.:thumbdown:

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:04 PM
P.I. Complaints Against Baez Escalated
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19526462/detail.html

Complaints filed with the bar against attorneys are first examined at the staff level by the bar. Many complaints are dismissed at this level, Local 6 News reporter Mike DeForest said.

Casey's complaint was not dismissed at the staff level and has been forwarded to a grievance committee, which is the next level of investigation.

Thanks so much for the link!!

:thumbsup:

Daffodil
05-21-2009, 02:05 PM
Lee will lie or laugh through the whole thing, so it's pretty irrelevant. And quite frankly, not important in the grand scheme of things. Feel sorry for Zenaida, but chit happens, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again. It's called life!


My bolding. If only everyone knew how to do this and not hold grudges or say life is unfair, etc, what a better world this could be.

Barbara fl.
05-21-2009, 02:07 PM
bolding mine
You are right Barbara, it is hard to understand. And I pray this never happens within my family or friends. I just don't know how I would handle it. Hopefully more gracefully than this family has.

JMO


It's their reaction and defense mode that has everyone disliking them intensely....I too would hope that I would conduct myself in a more appropriate way, no matter how bad the circumstances are....

A little child's life was erased from their lives and they show no concern at all....as another poster wrote, "they even used Caylee's memorial for there own selfish needs (needs being to help Casey, the murderer)...

I have heard families go as far as saying that they forgive the family member for doing such a horrible thing....but never have I witnessed a family that goes completely for the murderer and forgets about this poor little baby.....(she was their blood also, don't they realize that?)

Lavinia
05-21-2009, 02:08 PM
I wish the judge would reschedule it for tomorrow

I was wishing he would schedule it for them over the holiday. :thumbup:

Daffodil
05-21-2009, 02:08 PM
It's their reaction and defense mode that has everyone disliking them intensely....I too would hope that I would conduct myself in a more appropriate way, no matter how bad the circumstances are....

A little child's life was erased from their lives and they show no concern at all....as another poster wrote, "they even used Caylee's memorial for there own selfish needs (needs being to help Casey, the murderer)...

I have heard families go as far as saying that they forgive the family member for doing such a horrible thing....but never have I witnessed a family that goes completely for the murderer and forgets about this poor little baby.....(she was their blood also, don't they realize that?)

Barbara,

That is so true. It always come back to that, doesn't it?

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:10 PM
cAN ANYONE TELL ME WAS LEE READY AND PREPARED FOR A DEPO TODAY? woops hit the caplock by mistake

From watching the video link of the hearing, it appears that Mitnik contacted Lee's attorney and told him not to appear in court because Brad Conway was not going to be there. I guess Mitnik told him he was going to ask the judge to postpone the whole hearing, so I don't think Lee's attorney even showed up to court. I would imagine he was somewhat prepared if he thought a hearing would actually be taking place, that is until he was contacted by Mitnik. :shrug:

Barbara fl.
05-21-2009, 02:10 PM
Keep your eye on the prize. Justice for Caylee.

And condem all the lawyers and family members trying to make a buck. JMO.




I'm for that....:thumbup:

Dunlurken
05-21-2009, 02:10 PM
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My bolding. If only everyone knew how to do this and not hold grudges or say life is unfair, etc, what a better world this could be.

The Anthony's agree that this woman is not the Zanny. I just don't get this whole defamation lawsuit. Makes no sense to me. Mitnik, etc., are out to make a buck, as well as this unfortunate Zenaida who happened to be at Sawgrass.

Does she have no family to take care of her? I'm sorry, but if I have a maid come into my house, I don't care about her credentials, just if she can clean well. JMO.

cassidy
05-21-2009, 02:11 PM
From watching the video link of the hearing, it appears that Mitnik contacted Lee's attorney and told him not to appear in court because Brad Conway was not going to be there. I guess Mitnik told him he was going to ask the judge to postpone the whole hearing, so I don't think Lee's attorney even showed up to court. I would imagine he was somewhat prepared if he thought a hearing would actually be taking place, that is until he was contacted by Mitnik. :shrug:

Lee's attorney was there. Lee wasn't.

Barbara fl.
05-21-2009, 02:14 PM
Lee's attorney was there. Lee wasn't.


His back was probably knocked out also.....they were probably trying to get the wheel chair in the trunk.....Too bad Casey wasn't there to help them.......:sneaky:

Dunlurken
05-21-2009, 02:14 PM
I have heard families go as far as saying that they forgive the family member for doing such a horrible thing....but never have I witnessed a family that goes completely for the murderer and forgets about this poor little baby.....(she was their blood also, don't they realize that?)


snipping to address: Did you watch the Scott Peterson trial? Jackie and Lee didn't give one hoot about their grandchild, aka, Conner. JMO.

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:14 PM
Wasn't that convenient for the Anthony's.....I wonder if they realize that they are just making it more difficult for themselves....Or if they even give a hoot.....

It appears to me that they don't give a hoot. They just cared about getting out of the hearing today, and they are not thinking ahead that it will be rescheduled and go forward eventually. I guess they are a lot like Casey in that way that they appear to just live for the here and now. They don't worry about future consequences.

KatieLady
05-21-2009, 02:15 PM
The Anthony's agree that this woman is not the Zanny. I just don't get this whole defamation lawsuit. Makes no sense to me. Mitnik, etc., are out to make a buck, as well as this unfortunate Zenaida who happened to be at Sawgrass.

Does she have no family to take care of her? I'm sorry, but if I have a maid come into my house, I don't care about her credentials, just if she can clean well. JMO.


I am thrilled that she brought the suit. It is irritating the heck out of the A's....and that makes me happy :biggrin:

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:15 PM
My best guess is Lee/Luka were anticipating a cancellation of the hearing since they probably knew in advance of Conway's 'unavailability' status today.

I wonder if they both got a head's up y-day that this was going to happen?:sneaky:

ruth66
05-21-2009, 02:16 PM
It's their reaction and defense mode that has everyone disliking them intensely....I too would hope that I would conduct myself in a more appropriate way, no matter how bad the circumstances are....

A little child's life was erased from their lives and they show no concern at all....as another poster wrote, "they even used Caylee's memorial for there own selfish needs (needs being to help Casey, the murderer)...

I have heard families go as far as saying that they forgive the family member for doing such a horrible thing....but never have I witnessed a family that goes completely for the murderer and forgets about this poor little baby.....(she was their blood also, don't they realize that?)

I think they practice the 'out of sight out of mind' coping skill when it pertains to CAYLEE which is heartbreaking. I may be alone in my feeling about this but I find it so disrespectful for the Anthony's to not notify the father of CAYLEE or the family. I do not believe for a minute that CAYLEE's father simply walked away knowing that he had a child. Especially after CAYLEE's murder, why would he not come forward and say 'I am her father'. They could prove it with a dna test. He could go straight to the police with his info. And I am quite certain that Casey knows who the father is, how could you not know? Surely, you could remember the men you had sex with in the last month. The only way I believe that she doesn't know who the father is is if she worked as an escort (and I am not saying she did).

JMO

yes I know this has been hashed and rehashed but it is such a disrespect for CAYLEE!

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:16 PM
I had forgotten that "you will learn to respect me" "you will learn to respect my client" quote...Looks like he and Casey are still waiting on that "respect"...mo:sneaky:

Well then, they will be waiting till the end of time, because it isn't going to happen.:sneaky: You have to earn respect, not demand it.

cassidy
05-21-2009, 02:17 PM
It appears to me that they don't give a hoot. They just cared about getting out of the hearing today, and they are not thinking ahead that it will be rescheduled and go forward eventually. I guess they are a lot like Casey in that way that they appear to just live for the here and now. They don't worry about future consequences.

From what I got from the hearing, the Judge told Mitnik to watch the calendar for an opening and schedule. How many times do you think the Anthony's will say the date isn't acceptable to them? I think this is just the beginning of dragging this out as long as they possible can.

JMO

Daffodil
05-21-2009, 02:18 PM
The Anthony's agree that this woman is not the Zanny. I just don't get this whole defamation lawsuit. Makes no sense to me. Mitnik, etc., are out to make a buck, as well as this unfortunate Zenaida who happened to be at Sawgrass.

Does she have no family to take care of her? I'm sorry, but if I have a maid come into my house, I don't care about her credentials, just if she can clean well. JMO.



I get the feeling that Morgan/Mitnik are doing this for all the good reasons. I don't think they are after money. I think they see the opportunity to make a wrong a right.

I do think, without a doubt, that Zaneida's life has been adversely affected by Casey, even Cindy. I would think if she gets any money from this, she could sure use it. But I also get the feeling this is more about right and wrong than money.

As far as cleaning people, I do care about credentials. Would you want someone with a criminal record all over your house? Would you want an addict going through your medicine cabinet? Would you want an illegal alien (who is a criminal just by being here) doing a job that an American can?

Barbara fl.
05-21-2009, 02:18 PM
snipping to address: Did you watch the Scott Peterson trial? Jackie and Lee didn't give one hoot about their grandchild, aka, Conner. JMO.

This case is so simular to that case..it's uncanny.....

The only difference is that the Petersons paid for Scott's attorney...I doubt that the Anthony's (even if they had the money) would pay for the defense....

But all the rest is exactly the same....."deny, deny, deny".......

cassidy
05-21-2009, 02:20 PM
This case is so simular to that case..it's uncanny.....

The only difference is that the Petersons paid for Scott's attorney...I doubt that the Anthony's (even if they had the money) would pay for the defense....

But all the rest is exactly the same....."deny, deny, deny".......

but Cindy has Jackie beat, hands down in the totally obnoxious department. And Lee Peterson ain't got nothing on George.

JMO

Barbara fl.
05-21-2009, 02:22 PM
It appears to me that they don't give a hoot. They just cared about getting out of the hearing today, and they are not thinking ahead that it will be rescheduled and go forward eventually. I guess they are a lot like Casey in that way that they appear to just live for the here and now. They don't worry about future consequences.

But when it finally does come around, it hits people like that all the harder....If they think they are going to walk away from this at the end in good shape, they have another thing coming to them....

What they need to start doing is finding out what prison Casey will be spending the rest of her life out (if not the DP).....and figuring out their busy schedule if Casey allows them visits.....

ruth66
05-21-2009, 02:22 PM
The Anthony's agree that this woman is not the Zanny. I just don't get this whole defamation lawsuit. Makes no sense to me. Mitnik, etc., are out to make a buck, as well as this unfortunate Zenaida who happened to be at Sawgrass.

Does she have no family to take care of her? I'm sorry, but if I have a maid come into my house, I don't care about her credentials, just if she can clean well. JMO.

Credentials do matter to me. I am not going to just allow someone off the street into my home. I would want to know that I can trust them.

Sorry Dunnie, but I disagree. ZG has just as much right to have her good name restored as the A's have to be pedal their nonsense on National Television. And the more ridiculous the A's act the more ZG's name gets thrown out there.

JMO

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:23 PM
I missed the whole thing..had a meeting. Sounds like M&M and the judge were on the ball. Gotta love it!!


imo

Yep! It just makes the other attorneys appear even more inept.:sneaky:

Tornado
05-21-2009, 02:24 PM
That's what annoys me the most... they think they've pulled a smart one.

Problem is they aren't smart and they are only avoiding the inevitable. The judge wasn't putting up with carp the other day and I am guessing no one is going to put up with it now. There will be repercussions to this behavior.

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:25 PM
Glad you asked that question...I am sitting here wondering the
same thing.
I am glad that Mitnik cancelled Lee's deposition.....
I think this is just another excuse to put off the inevitable
by Cindy and George.
Glad Mitnik did not let the Anthonys get over on him by allowing
Lee's deposition to happen .

Bolding mine...

I am so thankful as well. He has The Anthony's number and knew why they were doing this. Love it!:biggrin:

desmom
05-21-2009, 02:26 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-case-deposition-052209,0,6751276.story

Annie Downing arrived just after 1 p.m. at the Morgan & Morgan law office in Orlando. The law firm is representing Zenaida Gonzalez, a Kissimmee woman suing Anthony.

Dunlurken
05-21-2009, 02:26 PM
I am thrilled that she brought the suit. It is irritating the heck out of the A's....and that makes me happy :biggrin:

You have a point! :thumbsup:

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:27 PM
He said for strategic reasons so hes on to the anthonys.

Yes, he has learned his lesson from his past dealings w/them. Way to go, Mitnik!:thumbup: I bet George and Cindy are fuming right now that this little stunt backfired on them.:biggrin:

5boxersmom
05-21-2009, 02:27 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-case-deposition-052209,0,6751276.story

Annie Downing arrived just after 1 p.m. at the Morgan & Morgan law office in Orlando. The law firm is representing Zenaida Gonzalez, a Kissimmee woman suing Anthony.

Oh that is interesting. :biggrin:

Will we get to hear/see it today?

Pam1569
05-21-2009, 02:27 PM
It appears to me that they don't give a hoot. They just cared about getting out of the hearing today, and they are not thinking ahead that it will be rescheduled and go forward eventually. I guess they are a lot like Casey in that way that they appear to just live for the here and now. They don't worry about future consequences.

Dells, I do think that this time Cindy was thinking ahead, because
1) Another hearing will be held about getting the case dismissed again prior to their appearance in court about the depos again and
2) If the case again doesn't get dismissed and they have to go again at the end of June watch her pull the we are grieving again bit.

In remembrance of Caylee next month on June 15/16 will be one year of her demise. :crying:

Roux
05-21-2009, 02:27 PM
I am thrilled that she brought the suit. It is irritating the heck out of the A's....and that makes me happy :biggrin:

And we will get some financial info out of the deal!

BlueTurtle
05-21-2009, 02:28 PM
Ill bet they refused to go and conway didnt know what to do.


Then it would be a lie. If it is, the A's are rubbing off on BC. Too bad for him.

Neffy
05-21-2009, 02:28 PM
http://twitter.com/CaseyAnthonyCh9
Full raw video of today's 'non-hearing' posted -- Zenaida Gonzalez's attorney told judge Anthony family attorney was hurt:

Raw Video: Attorney Tells Judge That Anthonys' Attorney Can't Attend Hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/19527180/index.html

Did I understand correctly about the gratuitous emails the Judge recieved. They were from the PUBLIC regarding this case??????

You've GOT to be kidding.

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:29 PM
I wish the judge would reschedule it for tomorrow

Now wouldn't that just be "da bomb"!:thumbup: It isn't going to happen, but it fun to daydream about it. I bet that would take the smirk right off of Cindy's face.

jammies
05-21-2009, 02:30 PM
Barbara,

That is so true. It always come back to that, doesn't it?


It sure does. GA can't even remember her name. Sad that strangers care more about their flesh and blood than they do.

summer4meplz
05-21-2009, 02:31 PM
From watching the video link of the hearing, it appears that Mitnik contacted Lee's attorney and told him not to appear in court because Brad Conway was not going to be there. I guess Mitnik told him he was going to ask the judge to postpone the whole hearing, so I don't think Lee's attorney even showed up to court. I would imagine he was somewhat prepared if he thought a hearing would actually be taking place, that is until he was contacted by Mitnik. :shrug:


maybe that's why mitnik didn't want lee's lawyer to show up....lee's lawyer was prepared and ready to go and i think the judge would have gone with it....

Dunlurken
05-21-2009, 02:31 PM
This case is so simular to that case..it's uncanny.....

The only difference is that the Petersons paid for Scott's attorney...I doubt that the Anthony's (even if they had the money) would pay for the defense....

But all the rest is exactly the same....."deny, deny, deny".......

If the Anthony's had the money, they would pay for the defense. Ergo, they have to go on national TV, sell Caylee's pics to pay for Casey's defense. I just don't get it.

Not to mention the lawyers waiting in the background for the book deals, etc. $$$$$$$ It's all about money. JMO.

Barbara fl.
05-21-2009, 02:32 PM
I think they practice the 'out of sight out of mind' coping skill when it pertains to CAYLEE which is heartbreaking. I may be alone in my feeling about this but I find it so disrespectful for the Anthony's to not notify the father of CAYLEE or the family. I do not believe for a minute that CAYLEE's father simply walked away knowing that he had a child. Especially after CAYLEE's murder, why would he not come forward and say 'I am her father'. They could prove it with a dna test. He could go straight to the police with his info. And I am quite certain that Casey knows who the father is, how could you not know? Surely, you could remember the men you had sex with in the last month. The only way I believe that she doesn't know who the father is is if she worked as an escort (and I am not saying she did).

JMO

yes I know this has been hashed and rehashed but it is such a disrespect for CAYLEE!

Your right...I believe Casey knows who the father is, and the way Cindy and George answered when that question was posed to them, I believe that they too know.....

However, we can not discount the fact that Casey was somewhat of a (gee how would I put this?) ah, loose, wild...and there is a possibility that she also does not know who he is, but never wanted to admit to anyone this to anyone....

ruth66
05-21-2009, 02:33 PM
Dells, I do think that this time Cindy was thinking ahead, because
1) Another hearing will be held about getting the case dismissed again prior to their appearance in court about the depos again and
2) If the case again doesn't get dismissed and they have to go again at the end of June watch her pull the we are grieving again bit.

In remembrance of Caylee next month on June 15/16 will be one year of her demise. :crying:


Good thinking Pam, I think that CA had an 'oh carp' moment when she read the motion from ZG's lawyers which mentioned her as Casey's representative to the media. She was handled at her depo as much as she likes to think she wasn't. I am sure BC is telling her 'I told you to stop but you just had to have the last word, see what happens when you just can't shut up'. MG got her to admit that she was speaking for Casey and that was all it took, very ingenious on the part of M&M. The A's are praying this will be dismissed, CA's mouth might finally have gotten her in real trouble........:biggrin:

Dunlurken
05-21-2009, 02:34 PM
It sure does. GA can't even remember her name. Sad that strangers care more about their flesh and blood than they do.

If you are referring to the statement "that child".... As I was sitting in my back yard last night after cleaning out my grand daughter's drawers, I said to myself.... "that child has 30 pairs of jammies." Not to mention the night gowns, etc.

So the reference to "that child" doesn't fly with me. JMO.

Barbara fl.
05-21-2009, 02:34 PM
but Cindy has Jackie beat, hands down in the totally obnoxious department. And Lee Peterson ain't got nothing on George.

JMO

Oh, I agree....Cindy, George and Lee are in a catagory of their own....

But the Petersons were pretty much on the same level....just not quite as bad......

Dunlurken
05-21-2009, 02:39 PM
Your right...I believe Casey knows who the father is, and the way Cindy and George answered when that question was posed to them, I believe that they too know.....

However, we can not discount the fact that Casey was somewhat of a (gee how would I put this?) ah, loose, wild...and there is a possibility that she also does not know who he is, but never wanted to admit to anyone this to anyone....

Did you see the lady on TV today who had twins fathered by two different guys? LMAO.

Okay, later peeps. My grand daughter has a dance recital tonight, she's the same age as Caylee would have been, and this Gammy has to take a nap. LOL.

ruth66
05-21-2009, 02:41 PM
Oh, I agree....Cindy, George and Lee are in a catagory of their own....

But the Petersons were pretty much on the same level....just not quite as bad......

I will never forget Neil Entwistle's mother after her son was convicted. When she made the comment about her DIL committing suicide I was shocked. I couldn't believe the lengths some would go to convince themselves that their own child was innocent. I could of never in my wildest dreams have ever imagined that the A's were going to take it to a whole other level. I can only say that I am thankful NE's mother stayed off the Today show, LKL, Geraldo and NG with her garbage.

JMO

desmom
05-21-2009, 02:43 PM
Did I understand correctly about the gratuitous emails the Judge recieved. They were from the PUBLIC regarding this case??????

You've GOT to be kidding.


I think the emails came after the 2/25 statement by BC: http://www.wftv.com/news/18792577/detail.html the Anthonys' attorney told the judge it wouldn't be fair to force them to face depositions with cameras rolling.

IIRC, something was also said about the A's had not made any public appearances since the Memorial.

This article explains a little more: 3/18/09 http://www.wftv.com/news/18957168/detail.html

The judge received e-mails from people who pointed out that George and Cindy Anthony went to Putnam County to search for Haleigh Cummings.

jmo

Barbara fl.
05-21-2009, 02:43 PM
If the Anthony's had the money, they would pay for the defense. Ergo, they have to go on national TV, sell Caylee's pics to pay for Casey's defense. I just don't get it.

Not to mention the lawyers waiting in the background for the book deals, etc. $$$$$$$ It's all about money. JMO.

When Cindy found that money (I believe it was 146.00) in Casey's wallet and Amy told her that Casey had stole all that money from her...Cindy put that 146.00 in her own pocket, knowing that it must have belonged to Amy....and all she did was preach to Amy about how she should stay away from Casey the psychopath......That told me alot about Cindy right off the bat....I believe Casey kept them broke, from all her stealing from them and George with his gambling problem....

I believe that Cindy is constantly thinking about all the money she is going to make off of Caylee's demise....and the threat of ZG (especially being hispanic) is killing Cindy more so then the loss of her granddaughter......Casey said that her mother didn't want her around hispanics...

I would love to see ZG win a large lawsuit.....But what I don't know, is will the Anthony's have to pay her thru any book deals etc.,? I know that Scott Peterson's sister wrote a book but I don't think she had to give the money to Sharon Rocha.....

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:44 PM
I get the feeling that Morgan/Mitnik are doing this for all the good reasons. I don't think they are after money. I think they see the opportunity to make a wrong a right.

I do think, without a doubt, that Zaneida's life has been adversely affected by Casey, even Cindy. I would think if she gets any money from this, she could sure use it. But I also get the feeling this is more about right and wrong than money.

As far as cleaning people, I do care about credentials. Would you want someone with a criminal record all over your house? Would you want an addict going through your medicine cabinet? Would you want an illegal alien (who is a criminal just by being here) doing a job that an American can?

I wholeheartedly agree w/your post! Couldn't have said it better myself.:thumbup: It's about time that Casey takes responsibility for her actions and for one of her lies. She'll pay dearly for murdering Caylee and I hope she pays dearly for what she did to Zaneida.

Barbara fl.
05-21-2009, 02:44 PM
Did you see the lady on TV today who had twins fathered by two different guys? LMAO.

Okay, later peeps. My grand daughter has a dance recital tonight, she's the same age as Caylee would have been, and this Gammy has to take a nap. LOL.


Have fun and enjoy...this is the best time...they grow up so fast....

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:47 PM
But when it finally does come around, it hits people like that all the harder....If they think they are going to walk away from this at the end in good shape, they have another thing coming to them....

What they need to start doing is finding out what prison Casey will be spending the rest of her life out (if not the DP).....and figuring out their busy schedule if Casey allows them visits.....

Bolding mine....

I wholeheartedly agree w/you! That is why I think it is stupid that they are just trying to delay the inevitable. I guess they don't care. They got out of it for **TODAY**, they don't care what tomorrow will bring. They will worry about that later and try to come up w/some lame excuse then, when they have to.

desmom
05-21-2009, 02:49 PM
3 Complaints Filed With Fla. Bar Against Baez
http://www.wftv.com/news/19528102/detail.html

Dominic Casey, Judge Strickland and the 3rd person has not been identified.

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:50 PM
Credentials do matter to me. I am not going to just allow someone off the street into my home. I would want to know that I can trust them.

Sorry Dunnie, but I disagree. ZG has just as much right to have her good name restored as the A's have to be pedal their nonsense on National Television. And the more ridiculous the A's act the more ZG's name gets thrown out there.

JMO

I agree. As long as the justice system is allowing her case to go through, then ZG deserves her day in court just as much as anyone else does. If her case has no merit, it will either be eventually thrown out or else she won't win. Until then, she and her attorneys have the right to be heard.

Barbara fl.
05-21-2009, 02:51 PM
Okay, this is the first time I'd heard this. I have now lost all respect for this woman. Is she on drugs?!

It's one thing to stand up for grieving grandparents (which I think we all did at the beginning of this mess) and another thing entirely to pretend that they have been straightforward with LE. Lisa Bloom needs to do some reading before she gets on TV with her blather.

Sometimes when I listen to some of them, I wonder how come they are allowed to talk when not being up to par with the case....I couldn't believe my ears when Lisa Bloom said that.....I would love to know in what second did she hear them cooperating with LE?.....

I too felt bad for them at the beginning...I felt bad all the way up until Cindy claimed that she can get the truth out of Casey if she could just talk to he one on one...then when Casey was released and back at home, Cindy forgot all about that....and all she said was that she "now felt calm" after talking to Casey......What could possibly make someone feel calm while their granddaughter was still out there somewhere?

It's all so disgusting.....and Lisa Bloom needs to keep her mouth shut when she doesn't know what she is talking about.....

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:51 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-case-deposition-052209,0,6751276.story

Annie Downing arrived just after 1 p.m. at the Morgan & Morgan law office in Orlando. The law firm is representing Zenaida Gonzalez, a Kissimmee woman suing Anthony.

Thanks so much for the link. :seeya:

Hopefully we will get to see her deposition later.:biggrin: Maybe today won't be a total wash after all?

jammies
05-21-2009, 02:51 PM
Bolding mine....

I wholeheartedly agree w/you! That is why I think it is stupid that they are just trying to delay the inevitable. I guess they don't care. They got out of it for **TODAY**, they don't care what tomorrow will bring. They will worry about that later and try to come up w/some lame excuse then, when they have to.


Sound familiar? Family trait. Fiddle dee dee.

Dells
05-21-2009, 02:52 PM
Sound familiar? Family trait. Fiddle dee dee.

Exactly. The apple certainly didn't fall far from the tree. Casey learned from the best.:sneaky:

penguinlady
05-21-2009, 02:52 PM
If you are referring to the statement "that child".... As I was sitting in my back yard last night after cleaning out my grand daughter's drawers, I said to myself.... "that child has 30 pairs of jammies." Not to mention the night gowns, etc.

So the reference to "that child" doesn't fly with me. JMO.

I call my little guy names like that too.. BB stands for a multitude of nicknames for him...baby blue eyes (that have now turned to green!)Baby boy..Brat boy (said with love!) but I don't think that should something happen to him I would refer to him with any of those names.

The Anthony's have a real problem EVER calling Caylee by her name.

IMO
K!

Neffy
05-21-2009, 02:53 PM
I think the emails came after the 2/25 statement by BC: http://www.wftv.com/news/18792577/detail.html the Anthonys' attorney told the judge it wouldn't be fair to force them to face depositions with cameras rolling.

IIRC, something was also said about the A's had not made any public appearances since the Memorial.

This article explains a little more: 3/18/09 http://www.wftv.com/news/18957168/detail.html

The judge received e-mails from people who pointed out that George and Cindy Anthony went to Putnam County to search for Haleigh Cummings.

jmo

OH thanks. These people should NOT be emailing a Judge. If they feel they need to (I give kudos to the people of Florida that are watching their tax dollars fly out the window for this nonsense to stand up and say something) they should email or call Mitnik's office.

desmom
05-21-2009, 02:56 PM
Thanks so much for the link. :seeya:

Hopefully we will get to see her deposition later.:biggrin: Maybe today won't be a total wash after all?

Hmm, could be. It looks like reporters are on the scene. A few pics:

Annie Downing arrives at Morgan & Morgan law office
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/search/orl-caseycivil20090521104024,0,6798296.photo

Annie Downing and her attorney, Warren Lindsey, arrive at Morgan & Morgan law office
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/search/orl-caseycivil20090521103840,0,109028.photo

Annie Downing is questioned under oath
My note - It looks like she is wearing a Caylee Anthony bracelet imo.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/search/orl-caseycivil20090521103634,0,7846878.photo

Katprint
05-21-2009, 02:57 PM
I think the emails came after the 2/25 statement by BC: http://www.wftv.com/news/18792577/detail.html the Anthonys' attorney told the judge it wouldn't be fair to force them to face depositions with cameras rolling.

IIRC, something was also said about the A's had not made any public appearances since the Memorial.

This article explains a little more: 3/18/09 http://www.wftv.com/news/18957168/detail.html

The judge received e-mails from people who pointed out that George and Cindy Anthony went to Putnam County to search for Haleigh Cummings.

jmo
http://www.wftv.com/video/19527180/index.html at 5:15

"Judge: I have instructed my judicial assistant to file four gratuitous emails that I received as a result of not this past week's hearings, but before when there was - I believe - a request for a protective order on the Lee Anthony deposition.

Attorney: They were probably on George and Cindy's depositions, I suspect.

Judge: I don't remember which one it was, but I know that the moment that I received the gratuitous emails, I filed them because those were inappropriate communications with the court and I figured it was up to the lawyers also to be privy to those emails.

Attorney: By counsel?

Judge: No, no, by members of the public who have I guess decided that this is their cause, thanks to the media awareness. And I will not editorialize further. That's not my job."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Barbara fl.
05-21-2009, 02:58 PM
I call my little guy names like that too.. BB stands for a multitude of nicknames for him...baby blue eyes (that have now turned to green!)Baby boy..Brat boy (said with love!) but I don't think that should something happen to him I would refer to him with any of those names.

The Anthony's have a real problem EVER calling Caylee by her name.

IMO
K!

Your right, I too call all the little ones by the little love names I have for them :angry:..But in no way would I ever refer to them as "that child" under those circumstances....Shows the detachment.....

I know in my heart that Caylee is in the arms of love wherever she is...thinking that keeps me from crying for this poor little child...I wonder if Cindy ever thinks about Caylee's last moments and knowing that it was her own mommy hurting her......? That would be enough to kill me.....

Dells
05-21-2009, 03:02 PM
Hmm, could be. It looks like reporters are on the scene. A few pics:

Annie Downing arrives at Morgan & Morgan law office
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/search/orl-caseycivil20090521104024,0,6798296.photo

Annie Downing and her attorney, Warren Lindsey, arrive at Morgan & Morgan law office
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/search/orl-caseycivil20090521103840,0,109028.photo

Annie Downing is questioned under oath
My note - It looks like she is wearing a Caylee Anthony bracelet imo.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/search/orl-caseycivil20090521103634,0,7846878.photo

Thanks for all the links! :seeya: You are the Queen of links! Yes, it appears to me too that she is wearing a Caylee bracelet. She doesn't look too happy to be there.:unsure: Hopefully they can get some good information from her.

spiritwolf46
05-21-2009, 03:04 PM
I haven't been around much recently as my dear FIL died on the weekend, and his funeral will be this weekend.

Does anyone know anything about this program scheduled for Friday's Nancy Grace? Is it a rerun or is it something new? It sounds as though it could be really good, but I've figured out that Nancy likes to bait us on long weekends, and then toss in something completely different. I would love to hear the ex-boyfriends' views on what the OC was really like.

Oh Annie, I am so sorry.

Hugs and prayers to you, your husband and entire family. :wub:

Tracian
05-21-2009, 03:07 PM
Another delay...what a shock:rolleyes:

This is going to sound harsh, but I can't help but it bugs me that George is wearing a Caylee button, while blindly supporting the person charged with her murder.

Normally when people wear buttons or ribbons of a murdered person, it is to ensure they are remembered and that justice is done...I don't understand the mixed message.

spiritwolf46
05-21-2009, 03:07 PM
Do you all think that Annie's depo will be put up on the Morgan and Morgan site?

Neffy
05-21-2009, 03:07 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/19527180/index.html at 5:15

"Judge: I have instructed my judicial assistant to file four gratuitous emails that I received as a result of not this past week's hearings, but before when there was - I believe - a request for a protective order on the Lee Anthony deposition.

Attorney: They were probably on George and Cindy's depositions, I suspect.

Judge: I don't remember which one it was, but I know that the moment that I received the gratuitous emails, I filed them because those were inappropriate communications with the court and I figured it was up to the lawyers also to be privy to those emails.

Attorney: By counsel?

Judge: No, no, by members of the public who have I guess decided that this is their cause, thanks to the media awareness. And I will not editorialize further. That's not my job."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

TX Kat for typing that out.

Contacting a Judge is inappropriate and although I'm glad to see whistle blowers (at least that's what I hope they were) they should go to the Attorney's NOT the Judge. The Attorney of record can then present it to the Judge should he feel it necessary.

taylor63
05-21-2009, 03:09 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/19521509/detail.html

The Anthonys say they were subjected to public ridicule the first time they were questioned in the lawsuit for the way they behaved and they don't want to face that kind of criticism again.

Hint for the Anthonys - Leave the attitude at home during the next depo.

They also claim it could hurt their daughter's fight against a first-degree murder charge for Caylee's death..............The attorneys want to know if Casey ever used Cindy's credit cards without permission.

My opinion: Answering those questions may hurt Casey in her fraud charges, but I think there is enough other statements by the A's and Casey that has already hurt her case. i.e. Every time the A's do a national television show.

jmo

If Cindy is questioned under oath again,I wish that lawyer would ask her this question. If you had the phone numbers of the so called nanny, why didn't you call and ask her where your daughter, and 2 year old grandaughter were for over a month,and especially when your daughter returned without your granddaughter, after they were missing for a month, and your daughter's car smelled like human decomposition?

Peter
05-21-2009, 03:12 PM
Howdy folks. I have a couple of questions:
Zeniada went to look at an apartment at sawgrass
Zeniada got a speeding ticket on or around may 24th in orlando
Zeniada's boyfriend used to work at cast Iron tatoo

1)My spelling is probably wrong, but are these all the same person?

2) has ALL of Annie Downings interview with LE been released?
3)O/T Did Barbara find her dog?

Thanks in advance to any help.

desmom
05-21-2009, 03:12 PM
I haven't been around much recently as my dear FIL died on the weekend, and his funeral will be this weekend.

Does anyone know anything about this program scheduled for Friday's Nancy Grace? Is it a rerun or is it something new? It sounds as though it could be really good, but I've figured out that Nancy likes to bait us on long weekends, and then toss in something completely different. I would love to hear the ex-boyfriends' views on what the OC was really like.

Annie, I am sorry. Prayers for you and your family.

Friday night says video footage of Casey's ex-lover's, ex-fiance, & ex-boyfriends. I don't recall seeing video of Tone, Jesse or any other boyfriends interviews with LE, so it may be new. :shrug:

Saturday night's raw audio & video of Casey's arrest may be the video of Casey in the interview room after her arrest in October.

Part 1 http://www.wftv.com/video/19107079/index.html

Part 2 http://www.wftv.com/video/19107107/index.html

Part 3 http://www.wftv.com/video/19126676/index.html

pics: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19107234/detail.html

ETA ~ pollen count winning...check in later.

Tracian
05-21-2009, 03:16 PM
I just got home to read all this.
Unbelievable. I don't believe for a minutes that Brad Conway threw his back out! What I do believe is that snit Cindy Anthony decided yesterday was enough and she is still calling the shots.
GA and CA are making a mockery out of the judicial system.:mad:
Will she go even further in the future? Sure she will until someone puts a stop to her BS...
JMO


At some point, unless Cindy cools her heels, she is going to get a smack down in court, she is far too confrontational and will not do well on the stand.

imc_e
05-21-2009, 03:18 PM
Could be that Brad Conway SAW Cindy give the finger in tuesdays hearing, and he is not going to represent them anymore. Hmm.

Tracian
05-21-2009, 03:19 PM
Could be that Brad Conway SAW Cindy give the finger in tuesdays hearing, and he is not going to represent them anymore. Hmm.



What????? I missed that tid-bit...do tell!!!

Scampi
05-21-2009, 03:22 PM
Hmm, could be. It looks like reporters are on the scene. A few pics:

Annie Downing arrives at Morgan & Morgan law office
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/search/orl-caseycivil20090521104024,0,6798296.photo

Annie Downing and her attorney, Warren Lindsey, arrive at Morgan & Morgan law office
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/search/orl-caseycivil20090521103840,0,109028.photo

Annie Downing is questioned under oath
My note - It looks like she is wearing a Caylee Anthony bracelet imo.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/search/orl-caseycivil20090521103634,0,7846878.photo


Wait!! Do we know Annie's mood from her myspace pages????? IIRC, ole Annie was sticking it to the odious creature thru her myspace pages...... :biggrin:

imc_e
05-21-2009, 03:22 PM
Yup she flipped the bird on tuesday , casually, as she left the court room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrenPXWdPIQ

Peter
05-21-2009, 03:25 PM
but Cindy has Jackie beat, hands down in the totally obnoxious department. And Lee Peterson ain't got nothing on George.

JMO

Water & gum VS oxygen tank

Tracian
05-21-2009, 03:26 PM
Yup she flipped the bird on tuesday , casually, as she left the court room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrenPXWdPIQ


Quite a class act that one:huh:

Thanks for the link :smile:

taylor63
05-21-2009, 03:31 PM
but Cindy has Jackie beat, hands down in the totally obnoxious department. And Lee Peterson ain't got nothing on George.

JMO


I think your right excepts I have to respectfully disagree about George. While I am no fan of his by any means,I think his motivation to be deceitful as he has, has been motivated largely out of fear for what will happen to his daughter, and also in a lesser degree out of fear that he will incur Cindy's wrath.

Don't get me wrong,I am in no way excusing his lies,but I never will believe he is as obnoxious as Lee Peterson. I remember George apologizing to Ms. Gonzalez during the depositions and telling her he was sorry for what she had gone through.

I could never in a million years see Lee Peterson doing that. I will never ever forget him[Lee] calling into the Larry King show and insulting poor Sharon Rocha,and accusing her in so many words of being a thief for going and getting some of her daughters possessions not long after Laci's remains were found.

And what was even worse was when he dropped the *f* bomb you to Ron Grantski after he told him he was sorry when Scott was found guilty of murdering Laci. To me Lee Peterson is a very vindicitive,cruel man, Even though I do feel sympathy for him or that matter anyone who has a son is on death row, sometimes I think you have to call people on being cruel even when they have had or have something horrible happen to them.

101Spots
05-21-2009, 03:37 PM
but Cindy has Jackie beat, hands down in the totally obnoxious department. And Lee Peterson ain't got nothing on George.

JMO

ITA. Same movie, but someone turned up the volume.

martha
05-21-2009, 03:38 PM
If Brad is smart he will pull out now. Why don;t they get cindy for some of the things she does? g is so whiped and he looks like death warmed over. He thinks he is so good looking but I have news for him he looks awful jmho

missinglink
05-21-2009, 03:39 PM
Wait!! Do we know Annie's mood from her myspace pages????? IIRC, ole Annie was sticking it to the odious creature thru her myspace pages...... :biggrin:

ABSOLUTELY!

Today's mood says...stuckupbit@# , and then she has a wink.

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 03:43 PM
Sorry for quoting myself, but I want to write to Lisa Bloom and tell her my measly two cents about her opinion of the Ants. Does anyone know of a way to contact her? I encourage everyone to write to her and tell her to either get caught up on the truth of this case or to just stop commenting on it. I am riled. :cursing:
http://www.lisabloom.com/

imc_e
05-21-2009, 03:44 PM
Annie Downing Jan 2009 interviews revisited:

Part 1 Audio: Authorities interview Annie Downing about Casey Anthony’s mental state, Caylee

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m5d8-Part-1-Audio-Authorities-interview-Annie-Downing-about-Casey-Anthonys-mental-state-Caylee

seeing_eye
05-21-2009, 03:49 PM
I think your right excepts I have to respectfully disagree about George. While I am no fan of his by any means,I think his motivation to be deceitful as he has, has been motivated largely out of fear for what will happen to his daughter, and also in a lesser degree out of fear that he will incur Cindy's wrath.

Don't get me wrong,I am in no way excusing his lies,but I never will believe he is as obnoxious as Lee Peterson. I remember George apologizing to Ms. Gonzalez during the depositions and telling her he was sorry for what she had gone through.

I could never in a million years see Lee Peterson doing that. I will never ever forget him[Lee] calling into the Larry King show and insulting poor Sharon Rocha,and accusing her in so many words of being a thief for going and getting some of her daughters possessions not long after Laci's remains were found.

And what was even worse was when he dropped the *f* bomb you to Ron Grantski after he told him he was sorry when Scott was found guilty of murdering Laci. To me Lee Peterson is a very vindicitive,cruel man, Even though I do feel sympathy for him or that matter anyone who has a son is on death row, sometimes I think you have to call people on being cruel even when they have had or have something horrible happen to them.

<Bolding mine>

Oh, sure, George apologized to ms. Gonzales, but then immediately insulted her by insinuating that she's not a ten. It's my opinion only (and I have been wrong once or twice in the remote past), but I don't believe George was sincere in his apology to the plaintiff in the civil suit.

Scampi
05-21-2009, 03:50 PM
ABSOLUTELY!

Today's mood says...stuckupbit@# , and then she has a wink.

Thank you Linkie!!! :thumbup:

courtsinsession
05-21-2009, 03:51 PM
I really hate being cynical, but how do you throw out your back in a wheelchair; what a croc; I'm sorry but i just don't believe anything the anthony's or their attorney say;

jammies
05-21-2009, 03:53 PM
If Cindy is questioned under oath again,I wish that lawyer would ask her this question. If you had the phone numbers of the so called nanny, why didn't you call and ask her where your daughter, and 2 year old grandaughter were for over a month,and especially when your daughter returned without your granddaughter, after they were missing for a month, and your daughter's car smelled like human decomposition?


Add to that "why didn't you go tearing through Tony's apt looking for Caylee ? Why did you ASSUME she wasn't there with Casey?"

Dick Tracy
05-21-2009, 03:56 PM
I haven't been around much recently as my dear FIL died on the weekend, and his funeral will be this weekend.

Does anyone know anything about this program scheduled for Friday's Nancy Grace? Is it a rerun or is it something new? It sounds as though it could be really good, but I've figured out that Nancy likes to bait us on long weekends, and then toss in something completely different. I would love to hear the ex-boyfriends' views on what the OC was really like.

Hi Inspector Annie...

I'm very sorry to hear of your father in laws passing. (Holding your hand) I extend my sympathy towards your families loss. Celebrate his life. I just went through that the beginning of the year with my wifes father.

Keep your chin up Dearest.

myownopera
05-21-2009, 03:57 PM
I really hate being cynical, but how do you throw out your back in a wheelchair; what a croc; I'm sorry but i just don't believe anything the anthony's or their attorney say;

I could be wrong, but I think Mitnik (sp) was skeptical as well. He certainly didn't say as much, but I felt he felt that this was just a scheme to delay. He did say, that he respected another attorney's situation (or something like that). I don't want to be mean or cynical either, but really, how could this happen? Then of course, CA is enough to make anyone do/say anything.

JMI

missinglink
05-21-2009, 03:58 PM
Thank you Linkie!!! :thumbup:

You are so welcome!

Mally Bu is feeling "satisfied" and she's also winking today. LOL!

bchand
05-21-2009, 04:02 PM
Sorry for quoting myself, but I want to write to Lisa Bloom and tell her my measly two cents about her opinion of the Ants. Does anyone know of a way to contact her? I encourage everyone to write to her and tell her to either get caught up on the truth of this case or to just stop commenting on it. I am riled. :cursing:

Hi Annie - ss about the death in your family.

Lisa is on facebook so if you're a member, you could send her an email there.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Lisa-Bloom/758354768

While looking that up, I found this - she criticizes a newsman for :

not doing his journalistic due diligence on Katehis beforehand

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/03/lisa-bloom-faults-wabc-newsman-for-not-researching-his-killer.html


Pot - meet kettle.

bchand
05-21-2009, 04:04 PM
I could be wrong, but I think Mitnik (sp) was skeptical as well. He certainly didn't say as much, but I felt he felt that this was just a scheme to delay. He did say, that he respected another attorney's situation (or something like that). I don't want to be mean or cynical either, but really, how could this happen? Then of course, CA is enough to make anyone do/say anything.

JMI

The judge mentioned future sanctions and having everything on record - so I think they're covered.

I thought maybe he somehow gets in that wheelchair by himself and could have pulled his back out that way. I hope some news person doesn't catch him out and about today.

Dick Tracy
05-21-2009, 04:05 PM
What did Casey use Cindy's credit card to purchase? What are the possiblities that relate to the murder, and the coverup? A different pooh blanket? Stuff to make Chloroform?

There is something that Casey purchased with those CC's that Cindy doesn't want ANYONE to know about, because they point to Casey's guilt.

What is it?

Peter
05-21-2009, 04:09 PM
Howdy folks. I have a couple of questions:
Zeniada went to look at an apartment at sawgrass
Zeniada got a speeding ticket on or around may 24th in orlando
Zeniada's boyfriend used to work at cast Iron tatoo

1)My spelling is probably wrong, but are these all the same person?

2) has ALL of Annie Downings interview with LE been released?
3)O/T Did Barbara find her dog?

Thanks in advance to any help.


Bumping to ask Dick Tracy for help! I think you were onto this yesterday or the day before?

nanieliz
05-21-2009, 04:16 PM
[QUOTE=neid_77;13125091]i

WHAT ABOUT CAYLEE MARIE EVER!!

i'm tellin you that precious little baby does NOT NEED the last name anthony it does not honor her in anyway i wish someone could change it..these people have stepped on slapped Caylee in the face so much by their words and actions that poor little girl would be black and blue..they have not RESPECTED or given Caylee her dignity since day 1!!!


ya know what i wish? i wish the real father would step out,demand a dna test,and take the remains away from the A's! then sue them for keeping caylee from him. yes sir,empty those ashes outa those lockets/bracelets. take her from them!

nanieliz

cassidy
05-21-2009, 04:18 PM
Did you see the lady on TV today who had twins fathered by two different guys? LMAO.

Okay, later peeps. My grand daughter has a dance recital tonight, she's the same age as Caylee would have been, and this Gammy has to take a nap. LOL.

Have fun! My granddaughter will be 3 on Saturday. I cannot imagine life without her. Which is why I will never ever understand where the Anthony's are coming from :(

JMO

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 04:21 PM
Annie's deposition is up on http://www.forthepeople.com/

bchand
05-21-2009, 04:23 PM
Annie's deposition is up on http://www.forthepeople.com/

Thanks Dramatica :thumbsup:

nanieliz
05-21-2009, 04:23 PM
If you are referring to the statement "that child".... As I was sitting in my back yard last night after cleaning out my grand daughter's drawers, I said to myself.... "that child has 30 pairs of jammies." Not to mention the night gowns, etc.

So the reference to "that child" doesn't fly with me. JMO.


i have 10 grands and i say lots of times"that child". for instance...that child has too many toys. that child better get his butt in here now! so "that child" is just words.

nanieliz...jmo

breezie
05-21-2009, 04:26 PM
i have 10 grands and i say lots of times"that child". for instance...that child has too many toys. that child better get his butt in here now! so "that child" is just words.

nanieliz...jmo

If any of the 10 had been murdered (God forbid!), would you still refer to your grand as *that child* to others?

tmw
05-21-2009, 04:28 PM
Sorry to jump in like this but, did NG have anything on her show last night about Cindy and her "Lee" appearance??

bchand
05-21-2009, 04:31 PM
Sorry to jump in like this but, did NG have anything on her show last night about Cindy and her "Lee" appearance??

No she did not tmw.


I'm listening to Annie's depo now.

SHE has a dog that Caylee loved to play with - it's a mini long-haired daschund.

That could be the dog Caylee talked about.

Annie doesn't believe Zannie exists.

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 04:32 PM
Annie doesn't believe that the Nanny exists. :thumbsup:

summer4meplz
05-21-2009, 04:35 PM
aha...so annie's dog is the one Caylee spoke of....(if she really ever did say anything about a dog..)

tmw
05-21-2009, 04:37 PM
No she did not tmw.


I'm listening to Annie's depo now.

SHE has a dog that Caylee loved to play with - it's a mini long-haired daschund.

That could be the dog Caylee talked about.

Annie doesn't believe Zannie exists.

Ok, I'm listening as well....just hearing about the dog.... hummm

summer4meplz
05-21-2009, 04:38 PM
The judge mentioned future sanctions and having everything on record - so I think they're covered.

I thought maybe he somehow gets in that wheelchair by himself and could have pulled his back out that way. I hope some news person doesn't catch him out and about today.


bolded by me....I hope they DO catch him......but then I'm kinda a mean that way....I love to see liars caught!

tmw
05-21-2009, 04:39 PM
Much to my dismay, no. It was pretty much all about the man who allegedly killed his wife and 2 sons.


Maybe she will say something tonight.

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 04:41 PM
bolded by me....I hope they DO catch him......but then I'm kinda a mean that way....I love to see liars caught!

IF he's lying he would be in big trouble with the judge. IMO Cindy put him up to it. Delay, deny & lie.

Peter
05-21-2009, 04:43 PM
Ok, I'm listening as well....just hearing about the dog.... hummm
Im listening too, Annie sounds ALOT like Casey

TunaMelt
05-21-2009, 04:47 PM
<Bolding mine>

Oh, sure, George apologized to ms. Gonzales, but then immediately insulted her by insinuating that she's not a ten. It's my opinion only (and I have been wrong once or twice in the remote past), but I don't believe George was sincere in his apology to the plaintiff in the civil suit.

ITA

George has said a whole lot of things over the past 10 months, and a lot of them were for appearance only (I'd give my life for that little girl), out of sheer stupidity (You are the CEO of your corporation) and out and out lies, like (where do I start) he followed KC all around the freeway in a high speed chase, like he was so depressed he went to a hotel to kill himself but wound up eating pizza instead, like he's got a daughter that he's proud of, like everything he says and those awful facial expressions -- this guy is a piece of work, a lazy sob, and a lousy actor.

He lies like a rug, compliments and apologizes when he thinks it will do him good, and he no more deserves sympathy than any of his family, including his wife and those two offspring of his. KC in particular. Daddy's little girl.

Gah!

He bothers me more than Cindy does!
did you guess, LOL?

:mellow:

I'm calm now.
:wink:

nanieliz
05-21-2009, 04:48 PM
What did Casey use Cindy's credit card to purchase? What are the possiblities that relate to the murder, and the coverup? A different pooh blanket? Stuff to make Chloroform?

There is something that Casey purchased with those CC's that Cindy doesn't want ANYONE to know about, because they point to Casey's guilt.

What is it?


I agree with your question. I had thought the blanket or sheet matching the pooh set but ....? I think Cindy wants to keep it from LE because of the guilt it will point out. Have they never made her turn them over?

nanieliz

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 04:50 PM
Im listening too, Annie sounds ALOT like Casey
She even says ABSOLUTELY. Cindy & George should watch the depo to see how to act appropriately.

bchand
05-21-2009, 04:52 PM
She even says ABSOLUTELY. Cindy & George should watch the depo to see how to act appropriately.

It's starting and stopping alot for me. Very annoying. Is it doing that for everyone?

cuddlyrunner
05-21-2009, 04:53 PM
It's starting and stopping alot for me. Very annoying. Is it doing that for everyone?

It is for me-driving me mad!

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 04:54 PM
It's starting and stopping alot for me. Very annoying. Is it doing that for everyone?

Working perfect for me. I think I was the first one on.:biggrin:

AMS
05-21-2009, 04:54 PM
It's starting and stopping alot for me. Very annoying. Is it doing that for everyone?

It is working OK for me.

spiritwolf46
05-21-2009, 04:55 PM
Here is my letter to Lisa Bloom!

I just wanted to let you know that I have been a fan of yours for many years, until now. I am not sure why you want to protect the Anthonys, but you seem to always do so. HAVE you seen their demeanor? Have you watched their depos? Have you READ what they have said and done? Are you NOT an advocate for justice being an attorney? Yet, the whole country knows that these vile people have lied, spun and deliberately obstructed JUSTICE and yet, YOU stand up for them? I will never understand that at all! These people are not wanted around for so many reasons and one of those reasons is NOT because they are honest, good people! I will not watch you again. It sickens me that there is a little girl murdered and her own grandparents have thrown her under the bus for the murderer and YOU think that is okay! Just boggles the mind! The Anthonys are hateful. They have lied every single solitary chance they have been given and YOU think this is alright and they are being picked on? Good luck with that theory. I am done watching you back these evil people up. No more a fan and no longer will watch you.

Peter
05-21-2009, 04:58 PM
She even says ABSOLUTELY. Cindy & George should watch the depo to see how to act appropriately.

Oh I'm sure Cindy's watching so she can add Annie to the banned list! lol

Scampi
05-21-2009, 05:00 PM
You are so welcome!

Mally Bu is feeling "satisfied" and she's also winking today. LOL!

Oh YUCK!!!!!



lol

ish
05-21-2009, 05:01 PM
I think he carries Conways briefcase.

a step up from Cindy's purse

bchand
05-21-2009, 05:01 PM
Working perfect for me. I think I was the first one on.:biggrin:

HA! I tried to pull a fast one and move on to Part 2 since you're not there yet - but that didn't work any better. I'll watch it later on.

jakee
05-21-2009, 05:02 PM
It's starting and stopping alot for me. Very annoying. Is it doing that for everyone?

Yes, I am having the same problem.

Daffodil
05-21-2009, 05:03 PM
I wholeheartedly agree w/your post! Couldn't have said it better myself.:thumbup: It's about time that Casey takes responsibility for her actions and for one of her lies. She'll pay dearly for murdering Caylee and I hope she pays dearly for what she did to Zaneida.

Thanks Dells. Sorry to respond so late but I have to fit in my real life here and there!!

jammies
05-21-2009, 05:04 PM
It's starting and stopping alot for me. Very annoying. Is it doing that for everyone?


Was working fine for the first 23 minutes. Now it's acting up.

ish
05-21-2009, 05:04 PM
ROTFLMAO x 1000 :lol: "She'd go months without seeing friends."

And Cindy would go months without water and gum.:bored:

if it's true Casey went months without seeing her friends, doesn't Cindy see how Casey could resent Caylee for keeping her from a social life?

jammies
05-21-2009, 05:06 PM
Here is my letter to Lisa Bloom!

I just wanted to let you know that I have been a fan of yours for many years, until now. I am not sure why you want to protect the Anthonys, but you seem to always do so. HAVE you seen their demeanor? Have you watched their depos? Have you READ what they have said and done? Are you NOT an advocate for justice being an attorney? Yet, the whole country knows that these vile people have lied, spun and deliberately obstructed JUSTICE and yet, YOU stand up for them? I will never understand that at all! These people are not wanted around for so many reasons and one of those reasons is NOT because they are honest, good people! I will not watch you again. It sickens me that there is a little girl murdered and her own grandparents have thrown her under the bus for the murderer and YOU think that is okay! Just boggles the mind! The Anthonys are hateful. They have lied every single solitary chance they have been given and YOU think this is alright and they are being picked on? Good luck with that theory. I am done watching you back these evil people up. No more a fan and no longer will watch you.

Good letter, spirit. You are more "tolerant" than I. I've never liked her or Jamie Floyd for that matter. Screeching libs. aacckkk!

5boxersmom
05-21-2009, 05:07 PM
Was working fine for the first 23 minutes. Now it's acting up.

Me too. I gave up.

Daffodil
05-21-2009, 05:08 PM
OH thanks. These people should NOT be emailing a Judge. If they feel they need to (I give kudos to the people of Florida that are watching their tax dollars fly out the window for this nonsense to stand up and say something) they should email or call Mitnik's office.

I have to respectfully disagree with this. This is America. If someone wants to send an email to anyone under the sun, so be it. To put restrictions on who can email a judge sounds a bit overboard for me to say the least.

At first I thought it was a bit crazy to include them in the case but the more I thought about it, the more I agreed with the judge. He most likely wouldn't include them if it didn't pertain to this case. I trust his judgement. I'm sure if someone said they can't stand Cindy because she has funny eyebrows, I don't think the judge would include it.

ish
05-21-2009, 05:08 PM
Morning, Happy!

doesn't look as though it will be today. Conway can't make it. :sneaky:

I'll bet Cindy and George took the van he uses and left him stranded.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

jammies
05-21-2009, 05:10 PM
LOL Annie says at 25:00 that when she and her friends met with Cindy GEORGE WAS AT WORK. Now dat's funny!!! :lol:

nanieliz
05-21-2009, 05:10 PM
If any of the 10 had been murdered (God forbid!), would you still refer to your grand as *that child* to others?



I may! In talking/remembering them I may say something like"That Child loved chicken nuggets." It's just something I say.

In no way do I think I'm like the Ants tho....I know where my grands are always.

Nanieliz

Dells
05-21-2009, 05:12 PM
Here is my letter to Lisa Bloom!

I just wanted to let you know that I have been a fan of yours for many years, until now. I am not sure why you want to protect the Anthonys, but you seem to always do so. HAVE you seen their demeanor? Have you watched their depos? Have you READ what they have said and done? Are you NOT an advocate for justice being an attorney? Yet, the whole country knows that these vile people have lied, spun and deliberately obstructed JUSTICE and yet, YOU stand up for them? I will never understand that at all! These people are not wanted around for so many reasons and one of those reasons is NOT because they are honest, good people! I will not watch you again. It sickens me that there is a little girl murdered and her own grandparents have thrown her under the bus for the murderer and YOU think that is okay! Just boggles the mind! The Anthonys are hateful. They have lied every single solitary chance they have been given and YOU think this is alright and they are being picked on? Good luck with that theory. I am done watching you back these evil people up. No more a fan and no longer will watch you.

That's a great letter!:thumbup: You'll have to let us know if you get a response from her.

jammies
05-21-2009, 05:13 PM
Me too. I gave up.



Hubby says to pause it for awhile and let it catch up. I'll see if that works.

101Spots
05-21-2009, 05:15 PM
Slightly O/T

Casey may have met her match:

Mom suffocated her son, revived him by performing CPR, changed her mind and then suffocated him again, buried him is sand at playground.

Sick, sick, sick!


Buried Boy (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/21/nm.buried.boy/index.html)


ETA quote: "Schultz said there had been no reports of child abuse filed against Toribio. But he said family members indicated that she did not express the typical love of a mother for her child.

"She did not show the normal relationship that you would see with a mother, son," he said."

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 05:15 PM
Paypal button is working on Caseymarieanthonyfoundation.net
:cursing:

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 05:19 PM
Annie just said she saw Casey after she got out of jail the first time and Casey said that Caylee would be home by her third birthday. Impossible because Casey didn't get out of jail until after Caylee's birthday......grrr bloggers know the facts better than the players.

Daffodil
05-21-2009, 05:19 PM
Add to that "why didn't you go tearing through Tony's apt looking for Caylee ? Why did you ASSUME she wasn't there with Casey?"



Same exact question I have posted numerous times, just like most others. That is such a loud and clear statement that cannot be ignored.

Daffodil
05-21-2009, 05:23 PM
No she did not tmw.


I'm listening to Annie's depo now.

SHE has a dog that Caylee loved to play with - it's a mini long-haired daschund.

That could be the dog Caylee talked about.

Annie doesn't believe Zannie exists.


Wow. I am just jumping in because it will take too long to catch up. Wow, the dog is Annie's which rhymes with Zanni's. How very sly of Cindy. I give her a couple of points for twisting the truth so well.

5boxersmom
05-21-2009, 05:23 PM
Annie just said she saw Casey after she got out of jail the first time and Casey said that Caylee would be home by her third birthday. Impossible because Casey didn't get out of jail until after Caylee's birthday......grrr bloggers know the facts better than the players.

Oh my. Is she lying? Confused?

taylor63
05-21-2009, 05:24 PM
[QUOTE=neid_77;13125091]i

WHAT ABOUT CAYLEE MARIE EVER!!

i'm tellin you that precious little baby does NOT NEED the last name anthony it does not honor her in anyway i wish someone could change it..these people have stepped on slapped Caylee in the face so much by their words and actions that poor little girl would be black and blue..they have not RESPECTED or given Caylee her dignity since day 1!!!


ya know what i wish? i wish the real father would step out,demand a dna test,and take the remains away from the A's! then sue them for keeping caylee from him. yes sir,empty those ashes outa those lockets/bracelets. take her from them!

nanieliz

I also wish the real father would step forward if he is still alive,and the father's family too. Even if the father died before Caylee was alive,it's not right that Casey and her family kept them from knowing their grandbaby while she was alive.

martha
05-21-2009, 05:24 PM
Paypal button is working on Caseymarieanthonyfoundation.net
:cursing:
I wish someone would check out this money trail and find out just how much c and g have made so far. also check out casey and see how much she has made of off caylee. That is all they want now is money. I don;t think the a;s will ever work another day. It is awful that they or making all this money of their dead grandbaby with out any guilt about it. They have forgot about Caylee now it is just money they want.jmho

5boxersmom
05-21-2009, 05:24 PM
Hubby says to pause it for awhile and let it catch up. I'll see if that works.

I had trouble with that site last time. It would do the same thing.

Let me know if it works.

Neffy
05-21-2009, 05:25 PM
It's starting and stopping alot for me. Very annoying. Is it doing that for everyone?


I made it about half way thru when that started. I remember last time it was the same thing :cursing:

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 05:26 PM
Oh my. Is she lying? Confused?
I'd say confused with what Cindy says vs what Casey said. moo

jakee
05-21-2009, 05:32 PM
I tried the pausing of the video and it didn't help me. I can't make out what she is all saying, did she say that she does believe someone was taking care of Caylee, just not this zanny? I hate that it is so choppy.

I can't believe Annie was with Casey for 2 hours in Casey's bedroom and didn't want to be the one who knew the details. I would have wanted to know everything! IMO Again, I think that is what this choppy video of Annie said...

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 05:33 PM
I made it about half way thru when that started. I remember last time it was the same thing :cursing:

Just got here and reading backwards (it's a Casey thing). Anyway, is there some new audio of Annie or are you all speaking about something in particular on the old audio? (I'll keep reading backwards and check back for an answer). Thank you kindly!

avalonfox
05-21-2009, 05:34 PM
Something interesting. Hope it isn't OT...it is about the death penalty and a man named Charles Singelton.

http://www.fdp.dk/uk/art/forced-medication.php

Just something that made me pause a bit....

DebinNv
05-21-2009, 05:35 PM
Hubby says to pause it for awhile and let it catch up. I'll see if that works.

That's what I tried! It didn't work for me. I'm lucky if I get to hear 2 complete words before it cuts off!!!

TunaMelt
05-21-2009, 05:35 PM
I wish someone would check out this money trail and find out just how much c and g have made so far. also check out casey and see how much she has made of off caylee. That is all they want now is money. I don;t think the a;s will ever work another day. It is awful that they or making all this money of their dead grandbaby with out any guilt about it. They have forgot about Caylee now it is just money they want.jmho

This will happen if/when Morgan and Mitnik get the judge to allow punitive damages to be awarded Zenaida Gonzales if she prevails in the civil case.

Morgan and Mitnick will have the right and the responsibility to investigate all of Casey Anthony's assets (financial), in order to determine her worth, and what their client (Zenaida Gonzales) could recover from her.

Just another good reason to have this civil case go forward...:thumbup:

jammies
05-21-2009, 05:35 PM
I had trouble with that site last time. It would do the same thing.

Let me know if it works.


It only comes back on for a few minutes. Can't seem to get past 31 minutes.

AMS
05-21-2009, 05:36 PM
Every email that I've sent to her has come back as undeliverable. :cursing: Perhaps (after what I've read about Lisa Bloom wanting to be hired by the Anthonys) I should just mail it to George and Cindy.

AnnieP - try the email on this site.

www.lisabloom.com

I am sorry to hear about the passing of your FIL. My thoughts are with you and your family.

imo

jammies
05-21-2009, 05:36 PM
That's what I tried! It didn't work for me. I'm lucky if I get to hear 2 complete words before it cuts off!!!

It's so FRUSHTRATING!!!

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 05:36 PM
I really hate being cynical, but how do you throw out your back in a wheelchair; what a croc; I'm sorry but i just don't believe anything the anthony's or their attorney say;

In all fairness, it could have happened while getting in and out of the wheelchair. One can't help but wonder though, if it isn't just to prolong this all the more. I wonder if he will have to show a doctor's excuse???

missinglink
05-21-2009, 05:37 PM
Annie just said she saw Casey after she got out of jail the first time and Casey said that Caylee would be home by her third birthday. Impossible because Casey didn't get out of jail until after Caylee's birthday......grrr bloggers know the facts better than the players.

When was Casey's first release date from jail?

I know that Casey told Cindy that in a jail interview but this is strange!

Could Annie be that confused? I wonder if Casey ever talked via phone from jail to Annie. Maybe LE is holding something back, I just don't know.

I'm wondering what we don't know about. :blink:

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 05:40 PM
Every email that I've sent to her has come back as undeliverable. :cursing: Perhaps (after what I've read about Lisa Bloom wanting to be hired by the Anthonys) I should just mail it to George and Cindy.

Try this http://lisabloom.com/

5boxersmom
05-21-2009, 05:40 PM
When was Casey's first release date from jail?

I know that Casey told Cindy that in a jail interview but this is strange!

Could Annie be that confused? I wonder if Casey ever talked via phone from jail to Annie. Maybe LE is holding something back, I just don't know.

I'm wondering what we don't know about. :blink:

I think she was bailed out around Aug. 21st. Caylee's birthday was when? The 5th?

martha
05-21-2009, 05:40 PM
This will happen if/when Morgan and Mitnik get the judge to allow punitive damages to be awarded Zenaida Gonzales if she prevails in the civil case.

Morgan and Mitnick will have the right and the responsibility to investigate all of Casey Anthony's assets (financial), in order to determine her worth, and what their client (Zenaida Gonzales) could recover from her.

Just another good reason to have this civil case go forward...:thumbup:Thank you I am so glad to hear that. It just breaks my heart to know the a;s or making money of off poor little caylee. I just know in my heart c and g or making plenty of money of off Caylee. I wish this would go to trial so the money would stop. If they write a book I sure would not buy it. I don;t want to help them in any way.jmho

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 05:41 PM
When was Casey's first release date from jail?

I know that Casey told Cindy that in a jail interview but this is strange!

Could Annie be that confused? I wonder if Casey ever talked via phone from jail to Annie. Maybe LE is holding something back, I just don't know.

I'm wondering what we don't know about. :blink:

Casey was released on 8/21 or 8/22
Caylee's birthday was 8/9

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 05:42 PM
Just got here and reading backwards (it's a Casey thing). Anyway, is there some new audio of Annie or are you all speaking about something in particular on the old audio? (I'll keep reading backwards and check back for an answer). Thank you kindly!

Never mind, I found the link in post #609, but there aren't any links there for me, just little red and blue things in little white boxes. Oh well, I listened to it the first time around and agree that Cindy and Annie do sound alike but then so do my daughter and her best friend from high school, they even have the exact same laugh and use a lot of the same phrases even today though they now live hundreds of miles apart.

gaelicpeas
05-21-2009, 05:42 PM
It's so FRUSHTRATING!!!Here is the link to the transcript of Annie's deposition:



http://www.forthepeople.com/Downing.pdf

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 05:44 PM
This will happen if/when Morgan and Mitnik get the judge to allow punitive damages to be awarded Zenaida Gonzales if she prevails in the civil case.

Morgan and Mitnick will have the right and the responsibility to investigate all of Casey Anthony's assets (financial), in order to determine her worth, and what their client (Zenaida Gonzales) could recover from her.

Just another good reason to have this civil case go forward...:thumbup:

Gotta hand it to M&M, they sure stay on top of things.

ruth66
05-21-2009, 05:44 PM
It is for me-driving me mad!

I downloaded it to play on real player and that seems to work.

bchand
05-21-2009, 05:45 PM
Thanks lizzie. I just sent her off an "informative" letter. It seems so futile as I'm just one person, but we know how much strength we have in numbers.

I thought she left TruTv to go to California and do something involved with Entertainment?

TunaMelt
05-21-2009, 05:46 PM
Thank you I am so glad to hear that. It just breaks my heart to know the a;s or making money of off poor little caylee. I just know in my heart c and g or making plenty of money of off Caylee. I wish this would go to trial so the money would stop. If they write a book I sure would not buy it. I don;t want to help them in any way.jmho

I totally agree, martha.
Making money off of Caylee: that's the worst part of this entire case.
It's beyond horrible.

I think we'll see justice win out here -- like you, I hope it's sooner rather than later.

:seeya:

bchand
05-21-2009, 05:46 PM
I downloaded it to play on real player and that seems to work.

Good idea ruth - I'll go try that too.

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 05:48 PM
If that's the case, Conway better start heading for the hills. How long does he think he can call in with a sore back, sore toe, hangnail etc.?!

Someone is going to get suspicious, Bradley. :mad:

How dare Cindy blame the public for ridiculing her and George for THEIR behavior in the first ZFG depos! How in the world can WE be blamed for that!! Like we MADE her go in there with an attitude and make an azz of herself!

BTW which one of you made her flip the bird???

DebinNv
05-21-2009, 05:48 PM
Here is the link to the transcript of Annie's deposition:



http://www.forthepeople.com/Downing.pdf

Thank you, Thank you!!!!!

jammies
05-21-2009, 05:48 PM
Here is the link to the transcript of Annie's deposition:



http://www.forthepeople.com/Downing.pdf



Thank you , gaelic! Video totally froze up on me.

djmsmom
05-21-2009, 05:49 PM
Just got home from work can anyone fill me in on what happeded today. and what interview with annie are you all listening too?
thank you

avalonfox
05-21-2009, 05:50 PM
Slightly O/T

Casey may have met her match:

Mom suffocated her son, revived him by performing CPR, changed her mind and then suffocated him again, buried him is sand at playground.

Sick, sick, sick!


Buried Boy (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/21/nm.buried.boy/index.html)


ETA quote: "Schultz said there had been no reports of child abuse filed against Toribio. But he said family members indicated that she did not express the typical love of a mother for her child.

"She did not show the normal relationship that you would see with a mother, son," he said."

So she assumed he would grow up and no one would care about him the way that no one cared about her...and killed him to spare him the pain. Why the hell didn't she take her OWN LIFE then ???

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 05:51 PM
Just got home from work can anyone fill me in on what happeded today. and what interview with annie are you all listening too?
thank you

I know, there should be a law this time of day to update us! It takes a long time to read backwards and I get so confused!!! :confused:

Tornado
05-21-2009, 05:52 PM
When was Casey's first release date from jail?

I know that Casey told Cindy that in a jail interview but this is strange!

Could Annie be that confused? I wonder if Casey ever talked via phone from jail to Annie. Maybe LE is holding something back, I just don't know.

I'm wondering what we don't know about. :blink:

i have August 18th for the first time she was released. Anyone have anything different?

ruth66
05-21-2009, 05:52 PM
Slightly O/T

Casey may have met her match:

Mom suffocated her son, revived him by performing CPR, changed her mind and then suffocated him again, buried him is sand at playground.

Sick, sick, sick!


Buried Boy (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/21/nm.buried.boy/index.html)


ETA quote: "Schultz said there had been no reports of child abuse filed against Toribio. But he said family members indicated that she did not express the typical love of a mother for her child.

"She did not show the normal relationship that you would see with a mother, son," he said."

No there is a family for the Anthony's to sit up and take note of. At least they are telling the truth in the name of this child. Honorable.

JMO

bchand
05-21-2009, 05:53 PM
Just got home from work can anyone fill me in on what happeded today. and what interview with annie are you all listening too?
thank you

Court was cancelled because Brad Conway hurt his back. (Postponed)

Annie was deposed by Zenaida's attorney.

www.forthepeople.com

djmsmom
05-21-2009, 05:57 PM
Court was cancelled because Brad Conway hurt his back. (Postponed)

Annie was deposed by Zenaida's attorney.

www.forthepeople.com

thank you :wub:

bchand
05-21-2009, 06:04 PM
thank you :wub:

You're welcome.

You'll see that Annie seemed to be very well prepared for her deposition (unlike the Anthonys). She was respectful and honest.

They mispronounced her name in the beginning and you could see she wanted to correct them, but looked at her lawyer, smiled and didn't say a word. It was corrected very shortly after that.

spiritwolf46
05-21-2009, 06:08 PM
Oh YUCK!!!!!



lol

LOLOLOLOL! YUCK IS RIGHT! barf

ruth66
05-21-2009, 06:14 PM
listening to Annie's depo:

Interesting that Lee would contact Annie to see if she knew how Casey and Caylee were ok when CA contends that she was in constant contact with Casey the whole time.

Katprint
05-21-2009, 06:21 PM
In all fairness, it could have happened while getting in and out of the wheelchair. One can't help but wonder though, if it isn't just to prolong this all the more. I wonder if he will have to show a doctor's excuse???
No, he will not need to show a doctor's excuse. Attorneys are generally taken at their word about such things as a matter of professional courtesy. Similarly, if there is a crowded calendar and an attorney asks the court to call his case first because he has another appearance 1) at the same time in a different courtroom of the same courthouse or 2) within an hour but somewhere else, then normally the court tries to accommodate that. Also, children are generally not permitted in courtrooms but on rare occasions I have seen attorneys bring their young children in with them when their child care providers have flaked, and nobody has a problem with that.

Addendum: If a judge has actually ordered the attorney to personally appear at a specific hearing, the attorney would probably need to produce a doctor's note or official traffic collision report or some other corroboration concerning why the attorney did not comply with the judge's order. As far as I am aware, there was no order like that for today's hearing on the motion to compel.

I would also make the observation that while I don't know what medical condition causes Brad Conway to need a wheelchair (it could have nothing to do with his spine - maybe he has problems with his hips or knees or balance), it seems to me like a serious injury to one area of the back might result in overcompensation and excessive strain on other areas of the back. Also, no injury is ever so bad that it cannot be made worse.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

5boxersmom
05-21-2009, 06:32 PM
listening to Annie's depo:

Interesting that Lee would contact Annie to see if she knew how Casey and Caylee were ok when CA contends that she was in constant contact with Casey the whole time.

Annie says.....

A I never knew there were financial issues. She
always had money.


Hmmmmmm.:shrug::read:

ruth66
05-21-2009, 06:32 PM
at about 51:30 Annie says that the A's were very clean and always cleaning. She goes as far as to say everything they had was clean. So why would Casey have so much trash in her trunk? Possibly to cover up an odor? A small detail that will come back to bite them.

JMO

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 06:34 PM
at about 51:30 Annie says that the A's were very clean and always cleaning. She goes as far as to say everything they had was clean. So why would Casey have so much trash in her trunk? Possibly to cover up an odor? A small detail that will come back to bite them.

JMO
They sure have a lot of clutter for people who constantly clean. :rolleyes: imo

8BellesFan
05-21-2009, 06:35 PM
at about 51:30 Annie says that the A's were very clean and always cleaning. She goes as far as to say everything they had was clean. So why would Casey have so much trash in her trunk? Possibly to cover up an odor? A small detail that will come back to bite them.

JMO


and how did that refridgerator get to smelling like a DDB (damn dead body)?

~Dramatica~
05-21-2009, 06:38 PM
listening to Annie's depo:

Interesting that Lee would contact Annie to see if she knew how Casey and Caylee were ok when CA contends that she was in constant contact with Casey the whole time.
She was on the "Caylee is Alive" kool-aid train until the remains were identified. :scared:

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 06:55 PM
I just read Annie's depo for the ZFG case. I know that the attorneys are trying to prove that there is no other Zenaida Gonzalez connected to Sawgrass but, is it just me, or do they get way off track? Sometimes it seems as if it's all about Casey murdering Caylee. For instance, what would it matter what the relationship between Cindy and Casey was in regard to this case?

Peter
05-21-2009, 06:57 PM
Maybe George and Cindy are missing.

there not missing they've misplaced themselves. Lets wait 31 days and see.

8BellesFan
05-21-2009, 06:58 PM
I just read Annie's depo for the ZFG case. I know that the attorneys are trying to prove that there is no other Zenaida Gonzalez connected to Sawgrass but, is it just me, or do they get way off track? Sometimes it seems as if it's all about Casey murdering Caylee. For instance, what would it matter what the relationship between Cindy and Casey was in regard to this case?

sometimes I think they are using one case to pinpoint details on the record, any record, for the other case. okay by me as long as they stay on the right side of the legal line.

8BellesFan
05-21-2009, 06:59 PM
there not missing they've misplaced themselves. Lets wait 31 days and see.


I can't make the 31 days, but can pencil them in for the end of 2010. I'll look for them then.

ruth66
05-21-2009, 06:59 PM
I just read Annie's depo for the ZFG case. I know that the attorneys are trying to prove that there is no other Zenaida Gonzalez connected to Sawgrass but, is it just me, or do they get way off track? Sometimes it seems as if it's all about Casey murdering Caylee. For instance, what would it matter what the relationship between Cindy and Casey was in regard to this case?

It seems that the attorney's are using Annie to discredit information CA gave during her deposition. For example: the lovefest between CA and Casey. Annie sounds credible but she isn't backing up alot that CA, GA & Lee said in their depos. JMO

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 06:59 PM
sometimes I think they are using one case to pinpoint details on the record, any record, for the other case. okay by me as long as they stay on the right side of the legal line.

They seem smart enough, I just hope they don't cross that line, just one little mistake is all it will take.

Peter
05-21-2009, 07:00 PM
listening to Annie's depo:

Interesting that Lee would contact Annie to see if she knew how Casey and Caylee were ok when CA contends that she was in constant contact with Casey the whole time.


I think Annie is the one who told Caey Lee was coming to get her at the bar, when Casey took off.
Theres something about Annie that I cant put my finger on. I think Casey and Annie slept together, at least once. MOO

ruth66
05-21-2009, 07:01 PM
Annie states that Casey told her "they were telling her what to say". When? How were they contacting her? The police were already involved, wouldn't there be phone records, letters or something to back up these allegations?

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 07:03 PM
Annie states that Casey told her "they were telling her what to say". When? How were they contacting her? The police were already involved, wouldn't there be phone records, letters or something to back up these allegations?

There was supposed to be this "script" but I think it was written in invisible ink.......or the dog ate it, maybe Zanny's dog, maybe Annnie's dog, don't think anyone has ever seen the script.

Peter
05-21-2009, 07:03 PM
I can't make the 31 days, but can pencil them in for the end of 2010. I'll look for them then.

Im sure middle finger will call LE, if they dont surface. Oh by the way Brad likes to go boating. Maybe there all out on that dingi.

sammy62
05-21-2009, 07:03 PM
at about 51:30 Annie says that the A's were very clean and always cleaning. She goes as far as to say everything they had was clean. So why would Casey have so much trash in her trunk? Possibly to cover up an odor? A small detail that will come back to bite them.

JMO

Maybe.....but I'm a neat freak....and my kids are both slobs. What happened to the apple/tree????:tongueside:

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 07:04 PM
Annie's depo is the first I've heard about this "list of things to take to the beach" including doggy treats.

jammies
05-21-2009, 07:06 PM
Annie states that Casey told her "they were telling her what to say". When? How were they contacting her? The police were already involved, wouldn't there be phone records, letters or something to back up these allegations?

For being best friends Annie sure wasn't very curious, was she. She says she needed to talk to Casey about her OWN problems. What's wrong with these people? She didn't even ASK about Caylee because she didn't want to know? I don't get it :rolleyes:

tmw
05-21-2009, 07:08 PM
Has anyone besides M&M's ForThePeople website posted Annies Depos?? Stopping and starting making me tense.

AMS
05-21-2009, 07:09 PM
and how did that refridgerator get to smelling like a DDB (damn dead body)?

Exactly 8Belles. Another lie imo.

MiamiNice1
05-21-2009, 07:10 PM
For being best friends Annie sure wasn't very curious, was she. She says she needed to talk to Casey about her OWN problems. What's wrong with these people? She didn't even ASK about Caylee because she didn't want to know? I don't get it :rolleyes:
Very superficial, shallow and selfish is what it sounds like!!

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 07:10 PM
Has anyone besides M&M's ForThePeople website posted Annies Depos?? Stopping and starting making me tense.

You can read the pdf from that same site. It's 95 pages but goes pretty fast.

Peter
05-21-2009, 07:10 PM
Has anyone besides M&M's ForThePeople website posted Annies Depos?? Stopping and starting making me tense.

I clicked something on the right to read the transcript.

MiamiNice1
05-21-2009, 07:11 PM
You can read the pdf from that same site. It's 95 pages but goes pretty fast.
Thanks, IM - I'm more of a visual than audio person.

tmw
05-21-2009, 07:12 PM
I clicked something on the right to read the transcript.

I am reading something else at the moment and wanted to listen.

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 07:12 PM
Very superficial, shallow and selfish is what it sounds like!!

I think it's more like she really didn't want to get involved, she didn't really WANT to know even though she was curious. I can understand that, but I don't understand why she thought she needed to talk to Casey about her own problems with all of the large core group of friends?

jakee
05-21-2009, 07:13 PM
For being best friends Annie sure wasn't very curious, was she. She says she needed to talk to Casey about her OWN problems. What's wrong with these people? She didn't even ASK about Caylee because she didn't want to know? I don't get it :rolleyes:

I agree. I would be asking WTH happened Casey! Tell me! I would be concerned about Caylee and want to know everything :confused: I mean who thinks, Oh good Casey is out of jail so now I can talk about my problems? Huh?

What was this about Casey not wanting to sit by the window in her bedroom? Was this when protesters were outside the home and she was scared of that? I didn't have time to read the transcripts yet, but I did listen to the video with all the choppiness. grrrrr

MiamiNice1
05-21-2009, 07:14 PM
I think it's more like she really didn't want to get involved, she didn't really WANT to know even though she was curious. I can understand that, but I don't understand why she thought she needed to talk to Casey about her own problems with all of the large core group of friends?
Maybe Casey was good at pretending to be "caring-fake-friend-mode?"

IM4Truth
05-21-2009, 07:14 PM
Maybe Casey was good at "caring-fake-friend-mode?"

Yep! I think you are right!!

eagleeer
05-21-2009, 07:15 PM
I thought she left TruTv to go to California and do something involved with Entertainment?

Yea, she is going to start a new TV show called Judge Bloomers. :laugh:

True2Blues
05-21-2009, 07:15 PM
Cindy is a liarface!
JMO

Only when her lips are moving, or when she's emailing, writing or awake.

Peter
05-21-2009, 07:15 PM
I am reading something else at the moment and wanted to listen.


well that makes sense:smile:

ruth66
05-21-2009, 07:15 PM
I think it's more like she really didn't want to get involved, she didn't really WANT to know even though she was curious. I can understand that, but I don't understand why she thought she needed to talk to Casey about her own problems with all of the large core group of friends?

Not to mention the huge ISSUE Casey was having. I can't imagine Annie's problem was more urgent than finding CAYLEE. Isn't that just like Casey to put her problem aside to help her friend? PLZ:laugh:

jammies
05-21-2009, 07:17 PM
I agree. I would be asking WTH happened Casey! Tell me! I would be concerned about Caylee and want to know everything :confused: I mean who thinks, Oh good Casey is out of jail so now I can talk about my problems? Huh?

What was this about Casey not wanting to sit by the window in her bedroom? Was this when protesters were outside the home and she was scared of that? I didn't have time to read the transcripts yet, but I did listen to the video with all the choppiness. grrrrr


Yes, I think so. Wonder if the rest of her friends are as shallow as this one?

Neffy
05-21-2009, 07:17 PM
For being best friends Annie sure wasn't very curious, was she. She says she needed to talk to Casey about her OWN problems. What's wrong with these people? She didn't even ASK about Caylee because she didn't want to know? I don't get it :rolleyes:

I don't know Annie WAS on xanex for her OWN problems. She sure as chit didn't need to add IMO ESPECIALLY with this lunatic murderer.,

Peter
05-21-2009, 07:19 PM
Not to mention the huge ISSUE Casey was having. I can't imagine Annie's problem was more urgent than finding CAYLEE. Isn't that just like Casey to put her problem aside to help her friend? PLZ:laugh:


As King would say: WEIRD

Annie tells G & C something like I need Casey and I cant have her right now???? and G & C say: get in the car. WEIRD, WEIRD, WEIRD

ruth66
05-21-2009, 07:21 PM
Casey sure was working against the grain with Cindy. Cindy was out trying to sell the 'perfect family' story and Casey was telling her friends that her parents were crazy. Sure doesn't sound like the relationship they are all trying to convince everyone of now. The funny thing is that most people would dismiss this as just young adults not liking the rules they were living under. But not in the Anthony household. JMO

True2Blues
05-21-2009, 07:21 PM
Yes, I think so. Wonder if the rest of her friends are as shallow as this one?

I would think anyone interested in more than a shallow relationship would have avoided Casey like the plague.

AMS
05-21-2009, 07:22 PM
As King would say: WEIRD

Annie tells G & C something like I need Casey and I cant have her right now???? and G & C say: get in the car. WEIRD, WEIRD, WEIRD

Peter - I heard that and it made my head spin. WEIRD is right!!!

imo

jammies
05-21-2009, 07:23 PM
I don't know Annie WAS on xanex for her OWN problems. She sure as chit didn't need to add IMO ESPECIALLY with this lunatic murderer.,


By the time Casey got out of jail the first time we all pretty much knew she killed Caylee. Why would you want have a little slumber party with her? Even if she didn't believe Casey hurt Caylee, she knew about all her lies, stealing money, etc. Bizarre.

Peter
05-21-2009, 07:25 PM
By the time Casey got out of jail the first time we all pretty much knew she killed Caylee. Why would you want have a little slumber party with her? Even if she didn't believe Casey hurt Caylee, she knew about all her lies, stealing money, etc. Bizarre.
per a few posts back
I think Annie and Casey slept together at least once. My opinion

jammies
05-21-2009, 07:26 PM
I would think anyone interested in more than a shallow relationship would have avoided Casey like the plague.


Very true.

jammies
05-21-2009, 07:27 PM
per a few posts back
I think Annie and Casey slept together at least once. My opinion


What makes you think that, Peter?

ruth66
05-21-2009, 07:28 PM
By the time Casey got out of jail the first time we all pretty much knew she killed Caylee. Why would you want have a little slumber party with her? Even if she didn't believe Casey hurt Caylee, she knew about all her lies, stealing money, etc. Bizarre.


I don't know, it seems to me that with GA & CA once they get you to show some interest in them or compassion for them they stick to you like stink on ****. I think they really wanted Casey to have a "friend" and Annie may have felt she couldn't say no. Keeping in mind I realize Annie is an adult but something about GA & CA's personalities is quite scary. JMO

Tornado
05-21-2009, 07:31 PM
For being best friends Annie sure wasn't very curious, was she. She says she needed to talk to Casey about her OWN problems. What's wrong with these people? She didn't even ASK about Caylee because she didn't want to know? I don't get it :rolleyes:

ITA- that whole "I didn't want to know" but at the same time saying " we were trying to track Caylee down" doesn't make any sense. If you don't ask questions how ya gonna find out?

I just want to add- this is the first that I have heard that caylees father was married and suppose to have another child. interesting.

Imperfect4
05-21-2009, 07:31 PM
Well, well, well.

So Conway's back went out? :sneaky:

Are you all talking about a new Annie D. depo or interview or something? Is there a link?

Sorry. Behind again. :blushing:

jammies
05-21-2009, 07:32 PM
I don't know, it seems to me that with GA & CA once they get you to show some interest in them or compassion for them they stick to you like stink on ****. I think they really wanted Casey to have a "friend" and Annie may have felt she couldn't say no. Keeping in mind I realize Annie is an adult but something about GA & CA's personalities is quite scary. JMO


The entire scenario of a sleepover in that house makes my skin crawl. Evil resides there.

TunaMelt
05-21-2009, 07:36 PM
per a few posts back
I think Annie and Casey slept together at least once. My opinion

I think that's entirely possible.

:mellow:

jammies
05-21-2009, 07:36 PM
Well, well, well.

So Conway's back went out? :sneaky:

Are you all talking about a new Annie D. depo or interview or something? Is there a link?

Sorry. Behind again. :blushing:



Gosh, was gonna call out a search party for you but couldn't get up off my fat behind. Where ya been?

Yes, Annie D. Someone else has to put up the link as I closed it down already. sorry!

Neffy
05-21-2009, 07:37 PM
The entire scenario of a sleepover in that house makes my skin crawl. Evil resides there.

That I entirely agree with. You know even this "core" group of friends.

They didn't hang out in high school, they knew each other but didn't hang out. Now they run up a year or so later so does 2 years make a "core" of friends. There's the "core" and then the others.

This is how you can tell your dealing with some young immature people. Now had they hung out thru elementary, high school, parents all know each other. That's a "core" group of friends. Drinking buddies who knew each other and hung out together depending on the guys they were with. Hmmmmm

5boxersmom
05-21-2009, 07:37 PM
Well, well, well.

So Conway's back went out? :sneaky:

Are you all talking about a new Annie D. depo or interview or something? Is there a link?

Sorry. Behind again. :blushing:

Here you go. http://www.forthepeople.com/

Morgan depo of Annie today. :biggrin:

Peter
05-21-2009, 07:38 PM
What makes you think that, Peter?

Annie is the one in the party pics with Casey all over each other (the one with the lollipops), Annie really needed Casey for something or some personal problem? Why else would she stay over at the Ants?
That had to be the weirdest night. All the strange tension between them all. Why go to hopespring drive and spend the night with Casey unless you were going to try to get answers. Annie didnt WANT to know, she didnt want answers about that.
I would say only someone who loved Casey would not ask these critical questions that the whole world wanted answers to.
Thats it, I dont have anything else except a hunch. Its just too damn weird.

tmw
05-21-2009, 07:38 PM
per a few posts back
I think Annie and Casey slept together at least once. My opinion

By slept, you don't mean sleep, right?

Dick Tracy
05-21-2009, 07:39 PM
WOW!!!!! HAVE I found out a lot of stuff today. Don't worry I will share when I piece it all together.

Quick Question to anyone (pullllllllllllllleeez help!) - Did anyone ever research a JOSH that went to Colonial High School with Casey before she apparently DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL?

ETA: For Peter - I saw your post about the tattoo thing, and am investigating.

Peter
05-21-2009, 07:40 PM
The entire scenario of a sleepover in that house makes my skin crawl. Evil resides there.


Me too! Cindy would prolly have your fingerprints on file after the morning coffee!

TunaMelt
05-21-2009, 07:40 PM
I don't know, it seems to me that with GA & CA once they get you to show some interest in them or compassion for them they stick to you like stink on ****. I think they really wanted Casey to have a "friend" and Annie may have felt she couldn't say no. Keeping in mind I realize Annie is an adult but something about GA & CA's personalities is quite scary. JMO

That is so true, ruth.
They're all over you, the Anthonys. I think it would be very hard to say no to them, even at age 22.

Aside from their nasty mean ugliness, I could see where they could give a person an uncomfortable feeling if they cornered you -- but I don't have a word for it.

Neffy
05-21-2009, 07:41 PM
WOW!!!!! HAVE I found out a lot of stuff today. Don't worry I will share when I piece it all together.

Quick Question to anyone (pullllllllllllllleeez help!) - Did anyone ever research a JOSH that went to Colonial High School with Casey before she apparently DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL?

She didn't drop out. She didn't have enough credits to graduate at the end of her senior year.

Granted she didn't do anything about it but the term "dropout" conotates she'd actually left before the year ended or her supposed graduation date.

*MoonRider*
05-21-2009, 07:41 PM
Annie is the one in the party pics with Casey all over each other (the one with the lollipops), Annie really needed Casey for something or some personal problem? Why else would she stay over at the Ants?
That had to be the weirdest night. All the strange tension between them all. Why go to hopespring drive and spend the night with Casey unless you were going to try to get answers. Annie didnt WANT to know, she didnt want answers about that.
I would say only someone who loved Casey would not ask these critical questions that the whole world wanted answers to.
Thats it, I dont have anything else except a hunch. Its just too damn weird.

Very strange indeed. Cindy, Casey & Annie watched a movie while Caylee was missing? :angry:

Peter
05-21-2009, 07:41 PM
By slept, you don't mean sleep, right?

some sleep or dozing maybe

Imperfect4
05-21-2009, 07:41 PM
Gosh, was gonna call out a search party for you but couldn't get up off my fat behind. Where ya been?

Yes, Annie D. Someone else has to put up the link as I closed it down already. sorry!

LOL! Trying to catch up after a short road trip. Fortunately, not much has really gone on in the case(s), so all I've really missed is you guys. :wub:

Anybody got a link for Annie? :w00t:

TunaMelt
05-21-2009, 07:43 PM
Annie is the one in the party pics with Casey all over each other (the one with the lollipops), Annie really needed Casey for something or some personal problem? Why else would she stay over at the Ants?
That had to be the weirdest night. All the strange tension between them all. Why go to hopespring drive and spend the night with Casey unless you were going to try to get answers. Annie didnt WANT to know, she didnt want answers about that.
I would say only someone who loved Casey would not ask these critical questions that the whole world wanted answers to.
Thats it, I dont have anything else except a hunch. Its just too damn weird.

I think your hunch is on target, peter.

Peter
05-21-2009, 07:43 PM
Very strange indeed. Cindy, Casey & Annie watched a movie while Caylee was missing? :angry:


Wonder what it was? If me I wouldnt be able to stop starring at them.

Imperfect4
05-21-2009, 07:44 PM
Here you go. http://www.forthepeople.com/

Morgan depo of Annie today. :biggrin:

Thankewe! :thumbsup:

Am listening to Tuesday's hearing and will cue up lil Annie next.

*MoonRider*
05-21-2009, 07:44 PM
Does anyone have a pic of George on the boat in the water? I'm playing with my photoshop. :smile: