Coleman arrested, arraignment next Wed. 20 May

[kellabeck]

People are keeping an eye out for his arraignment...

[kellabeck]

apologies! There was no new thread when I began this. I am sure it will get merged.

[bkwits]

apologies! There was no new thread when I began this. I am sure it will get merged.

Thanks for the forum.

[kellabeck]

As I thought! New forum created, today's thread cleaned up! Thanks!

I have to go off to my life right now and I trust that later we will have more info and that NG and JVM will be devoted to this case tonight. Hope so! Hope to see more about the arraignment.

I am so very happy that CC was arrested!!

[FallenAngel♥]

Thank you CW :rose:

[BobbysGirl]

I am not surprised that CC was arrested. At the first I figured he was resonsible. I feel sad that anyone, especially a spouse, could just wipe away his beautiful family. It truly amazes me. Whatever, happened to Divorce? And why kill their own flesh and blood.

I hope they have enough evidence and he will remain in prison for rest of his life.

My heart and prayers go out to the family.

:rose:
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:rose:

Another sad case and another family gone and lives ruined.

BG

[dgfred]

Temporary Insanity can be his only defense, unless he claims someone else set him up... but it seems this has been on his mind for awhile with the supposed threatening letters (if they are not real) and a gf.

[FallenAngel♥]

Fox News reporting arraignment has already happened.

Christopher Coleman has pleaded not guilty to three counts of murder.

Rock Star,...are you as shocked as i am that he plead NOT guilty?

[BobbysGirl]

3 Counts of murder and pleaded not guilty. That does not surprise me either. Thanks for the update folks. Busy here and have been doing yard work and running in and out.

BG

[CC I See]

I am not surprised that he plead Not Guilty. Most alleged murderers never want to see justice done and will fight prosecution. It is always some other person or persons that did it or they use they SET ME UP defense. Like it was mentioned earlier, it is possible that the defense will start trashing the victims.

[Dunlurken]

Wow! I knew they had him. Who calls for a welness check at 7:00 a.m.? You left the house one hour earlier. Nah, don't fly. He should rethink his plea and beg for mercy. JMO. :biggrin:

[BobbysGirl]

I wish I was as shocked as you are about his plea.

Unfortunately, guilty pleas are few and far between.

Mark Hacking was an anomaly to the justice system.

On another note... Fox News reported the only comment made by Sheri's family was "Let justice be done."

I agree with Sheri's family. Of course.
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Hi Rock*Star, IA about Mark Hacking, yet, he had a family support system that helped him to admit what he had done...IIRC ?

BG

[playnice]

Has there been any statements from the gf? Did she know he was planning this? I havent been able to watch NG any this week.

[Ice Cycle]

See we got a new forum, still in ah about this. I have to admit I was hoping that it was not him though, just too disgusting.

[bkwits]

Temporary Insanity can be his only defense, unless he claims someone else set him up... but it seems this has been on his mind for awhile with the supposed threatening letters (if they are not real) and a gf.


Naw, he covered it up, or tried to. The insanity defense doesn't work in those cases. If this man did this, and it certainly seems like he did, he is just the garden variety monster psychopath that we see on these crime boards. A little dumber than some.

Killing his own children with a ligature....the cowardly *******. I hope he has some fear of God left in him and begs for His forgiveness, and throws himself on the merchy of the court. But he won't IMO

[TexanLisa]

I am glad the police moved quickly and arrested the alledged murderer.

What is it that is missing in me that fails to understand how a husband and a father could kill his own?

Whatever it is, I am glad it is not there.

Thank you, Lord, for that.

[bkwits]

Has there been any statements from the gf? Did she know he was planning this? I havent been able to watch NG any this week.

I surely hope that she didn't know he was planning such a ghastly deed. If she did, she should be sitting beside him on Monster Row. IMO

[BobbysGirl]

If he did do it, he is a coward. Shameless as well.
I hope he does not try insanity defense either. It will not wash.

Where was he arrested? Anyone? Tia

BG

[bkwits]

I am glad the police moved quickly and arrested the alledged murderer.

What is it that is missing in me that fails to understand how a husband and a father could kill his own?

Whatever it is, I am glad it is not there.

Thank you, Lord, for that.


Whatever is missing in you, is missing in most of society, thank God. I think that is why there is so much anger on this board. This is not a person who was insane when he did it. He very coolly went about his business trying to cover up his ghastly deed. I think only God can forgive. I haven't been able to, and I don't even know the man or anyone involved. I hope Joyce Meyer (whoever she is) prays for his soul. IMO

[~jomomma~]

Naw, he covered it up, or tried to. The insanity defense doesn't work in those cases. If this man did this, and it certainly seems like he did, he is just the garden variety monster psychopath that we see on these crime boards. A little dumber than some.

Killing his own children with a ligature....the cowardly *******. I hope he has some fear of God left in him and begs for His forgiveness, and throws himself on the merchy of the court. But he won't IMO

didn't we hear that sheri's jaw was broken? (or something like that?)
i wonder if that is not true then if they are saying they were killed by ligature?

[bkwits]

If he did do it, he is a coward. Shameless as well.
I hope he does not try insanity defense either. It will not wash.



Where was he arrested? Anyone? Tia

BG

He was arrested at his parents home in Chester, IL. That's about 40 miles south of Columbia, IL where CC lived.

[witchywoman]

Thank the stars cc was arrested, jmo


I also see he pled not guilty?

I wonder if cc will want a speedy trial?


ot, im outty 4 now, work to do, so will peep in l8r

[Ice Cycle]

He threw or hid the glove and tape out on the route he normally takes, so we have evil and stupid.

[playnice]

I am not surprised that CC was arrested. At the first I figured he was resonsible. I feel sad that anyone, especially a spouse, could just wipe away his beautiful family. It truly amazes me. Whatever, happened to Divorce? And why kill their own flesh and blood.

I hope they have enough evidence and he will remain in prison for rest of his life.

My heart and prayers go out to the family.

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:rose:

Another sad case and another family gone and lives ruined.

BG


Ive wondered about that before. Surely no piece of tail is worth killing anyone for. These Scott Peterson types must do it because they dont want to give up any of their earthly possessions, house etc and dont want to be stuck with child support.
Its the only reason I can think of and a poor one at that.

[Shells2]

I am still somewhat torn on committing to him having done this. It just seems way too cut and dried, too simple really.

[BobbysGirl]

He was arrested at his parents home in Chester, IL. That's about 40 miles south of Columbia, IL where CC lived.

TY bkwits, Yep, coward. Run home. From what little I have gleaned on this case, CC family are being pro CC and emptied his house? Geeeese, another shade of Scotty the Hotty. IMO Sorry, for being facetious.

BG

[TexanLisa]

Ive wondered about that before. Surely no piece of tail is worth killing anyone for. These Scott Peterson types must do it because they dont want to give up any of their earthly possessions, house etc and dont want to be stuck with child support.
Its the only reason I can think of and a poor one at that.

Yet, they almost always get caught and spend the rest of their lives in prison.

Hmm............ 10-15 years of child support vs life in prison?

Obviously, they excel at stupidity and the lack of common sense.

[Tracian]

I am still somewhat torn on committing to him having done this. It just seems way too cut and dried, too simple really.


Seems they have a strong lead with surveillance tapes at walmart in regards to the paint and the gloves:

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-foxfiles-coleman-spraypaint-052009,0,3706950.story


Neighbor's reaction to the arrest:

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-columbia-neighbors-reaction-052009,0,6290420.story


I think like Mark Hacking, Neil Entwhistle, and Scott Peterson, he just has a bigger ego than a brain.

[5boxersmom]

Glad he was arrrested. I haven't followed this case real close. It is so heartbreaking. I don't know how he could have done this, those two little boys looked just like him. :cursing:
I hope the three of them get justice. :rose:

[bkwits]

Ive wondered about that before. Surely no piece of tail is worth killing anyone for. These Scott Peterson types must do it because they dont want to give up any of their earthly possessions, house etc and dont want to be stuck with child support.
Its the only reason I can think of and a poor one at that.

Now this is all conjecture on my part, but I have to wonder if he did this horrible deed because of that g/f or if he just wanted the playboy lifestyle while keeping his job at JMM.

I gather, from other posters, that JMM would not allow him to keep his job if he divorced (someone correct me if I am wrong). IMO, he was young, had a good job, traveled all over, maybe wanted to play the field. A side benefit is that he would have a tragic story to tell. IMO

[Dietcokefan]

Naw, he covered it up, or tried to. The insanity defense doesn't work in those cases. If this man did this, and it certainly seems like he did, he is just the garden variety monster psychopath that we see on these crime boards. A little dumber than some.

Killing his own children with a ligature....the cowardly *******. I hope he has some fear of God left in him and begs for His forgiveness, and throws himself on the merchy of the court. But he won't IMO

Also, it would be difficult to plead temporary insanity when they can show there was an intent to commit the crime by staging this with the earlier "threatening letters".

[Scampi]

Thank you for the forum Coldwater.

I have two questions if anyone knows. Does Illinois have cameras in the courtroom during high profile trials and who is this killer's attorney?

[sydney]

hello everyone - am i in the right place to discuss coleman now? i hope so.

i am actually astounded that he WROTE ON THE WALL in addition to calling or a wellness check so soon after he left the house. i mean, why didn't he just flee the country or something? iirc mexico doesn't have extradition, does it? he apparently thinks, like so many of them, that he is smarter than everyone else.

how tragic for that poor mom and kids and their families. actually, how tragic for everyone but him.

[bkwits]

Thank you for the forum Coldwater.

I have two questions if anyone knows. Does Illinois have cameras in the courtroom during high profile trials and who is this killer's attorney?


I don't know about cameras in the court room. I tend to think no, but am not sure.

His attorneys are Margulies (sp?) Margulies. A very high profile father and son criminal law firm in St. Louis. I assume they are licensed to practice in IL.

JMO

[Tracian]

I'm not torn at all.

I believe Christopher is the murderer.


Absolutely. His story did not make sense from the get go.

[omsk99]

http://www.fox2now.com/media/acrobat/2009-05/47026869.pdf

[Tracian]

No sense whatsoever.

On a different note... all the time and effort Christopher put into trying to make the murders look like some other dude did it amounts to premeditation. Plain as day.

I sometimes think the second biggest mistake murderers make is thinking they are smarter than the authorities. It seems to happen in every case. :shrug:


Yep, Yep, Yep....

It is clear, IMO, that the 'threats' were all part of the plan; that is why he called for a welfare check, rather than do the normal thing and drive home himself.

Does anyone know if when he called for the 'welfare' check, if he mentioned to LE that he was concerned because of numerous threats, that he already reported?

TIA


Oh, another case this reminds me of, is that ME that killed his wife, went to work, tried to call, couldn't reach her, and had his assistant run to his house to check on her...

Maybe Chris Coleman watched a little to many episodes of Suburban Secrets and other true crime shows, he seems to be 'borrowing' from many other well covered cases.

[Tracian]

Crowd shouts 'murderer' as Coleman faces triple murder charges (http://www.bnd.com/100/story/775913.html)

From the link:

Accused murderer Christopher Coleman was led into a Monroe County courtroom Wednesday morning amid cries from more than 25 onlookers who shouted "baby killer," "murderer" and "they finally got you" moments before he pleaded "not guilty" to the murders of his wife and two sons.


Shades of when Peterson was brought to jail in Modesto

[omsk99]

Agree with all of you - this was SO premeditated. The threats, the surveillance camera which focused on the mailbox (IIRC), purchase of the paint, the dropping off of the glove on his way to the gym, the call to check on his family... Considering he thought himself to be so smart, it's pretty stupid he is pleading not guilty in case DP is sought. JMO

[Tracian]

From what I understand, Christopher called a friend?/neighbor who works in law enforcement and asked that person to check on his family.

That person called 911 and then the responding officers found Sheri and her children murdered.

I think I have that right. According to what has been reported.

In response to your last statement... Christopher should have watched every single episode of Forensic Files. Doing so might have prevented him from committing this horrible crime in the first place.

Maybe.


I don't believe that it would have stopped him; He would have thought he could do better.

I bet Joyce Meyer is having a cardiac about now...this is going to be attached to her whether fair or unfair; at some point she is going to have to address this; as I am sure she will be called as a witness.

[LILMANMAX]

I said it last night and I must say it again.
Thank you LE for a job well done.

I am going to read up on ILL law/charges and penalties. Will post later tonight if its not already on here.

PG this monster is off the streets and out of the clubs. :cursing:

Justice for Shari, Garett and Gavin :rose:

[Patty437]

He was arrested at his parents home in Chester, IL. That's about 40 miles south of Columbia, IL where CC lived.

I live about 15 minutes north of Columbia, IL and Chester is where Menard Prison is..........how fitting huh? Dad and Mom can go visit.

[enigma™]

Thanks to all who have provided links. It is good to see another murdering husband off the streets. I was wondering if there is a link to Coleman and family taking everything out of his house and not giving anything to his in-laws? TIA

[Booklover]

I'm not at all surprised, because, this man's actions were extremely suspicious. Why would he need the Police to check on his family when he was within minutes of his home? Why did he wait 48 hours before contacting his Wife's family? :confused: For a man who had just lost his Wife, and children, he sure didn't seem terribly upset. :confused:

[darcie]

Thank you for the forum Coldwater.

I have two questions if anyone knows. Does Illinois have cameras in the courtroom during high profile trials and who is this killer's attorney?

Here is there link.

http://mgmlawfirm.com/Firm%20Info/Lawyers.aspx

They are a father/son team and people claim they are best that money can buy. And they do cost some money.

I have noticed they are quite close mouthed. I think it safe to assume that they won't be defending this case in the public eye. Nancy Grace or no Nancy Grace. They'll save it all for the courtoom. And they will be ready.

I used to live in St. Louis, but now live about 150 miles south. I have read several articles in the past of people they have defended (and won). Will try and do some searching and toss some links up.

[Patty437]

I don't know about cameras in the court room. I tend to think no, but am not sure.

His attorneys are Margulies (sp?) Margulies. A very high profile father and son criminal law firm in St. Louis. I assume they are licensed to practice in IL.

JMO

No cameras here in Ill.....Margulis is the last name. Well known here in greater St L. area.

[bkwits]

Here is there link.

http://mgmlawfirm.com/Firm%20Info/Lawyers.aspx

They are a father/son team and people claim they are best that money can buy. And they do cost some money.

I have noticed they are quite close mouthed. I think it safe to assume that they won't be defending this case in the public eye. Nancy Grace or no Nancy Grace. They'll save it all for the courtoom. And they will be ready.

I used to live in St. Louis, but now live about 150 miles south. I have read several articles in the past of people they have defended (and won). Will try and do some searching and toss some links up.

Thanks for the link. I notice both father and son are Wash U law school grads. My nephew will be attending law school at Wash U this fall. I wish he was there now. He might know some good rumors.

IMo

[Musterion]

I surely hope that she didn't know he was planning such a ghastly deed. If she did, she should be sitting beside him on Monster Row. IMO

Good Morning, bkwits,

I believe I heard that the MCS are back on the case. Maybe they are going to arrest another person.

Does anyone know if Chris is on suicide watch?

IMO.
M.

Praying for Sheri, Garret and Gavin's loved ones and friends.

[Ice Cycle]

I am still somewhat torn on committing to him having done this. It just seems way too cut and dried, too simple really.

Well I still believe in innocent until proved guilty and though I have always leaned toward that he might of done this, I guess the part that I just can't fathom besides the obvious evil part is that he would plan the whole thing and then be stupid enough to get rid of the evidence on the road he uses to go the the gym. I also don't usually believe in the DP in general but this is one that would be at the top of my list.

[Shells2]

Well I still believe in innocent until proved guilty and though I have always leaned toward that he might of done this, I guess the part that I just can't fathom besides the obvious evil part is that he would plan the whole thing and then be stupid enough to get rid of the evidence on the road he uses to go the the gym. I also don't usually believe in the DP in general but this is one that would be at the top of my list.


Maybe I just can't wrap my head around a seemingly clean cut, nice, family man putting his hands around his wife and two little boys throats while they slept.. I just can not absorb it as truth yet.

[Patty437]

Maybe I just can't wrap my head around a seemingly clean cut, nice, family man putting his hands around his wife and two little boys throats while they slept.. I just can not absorb it as truth yet.

Not to be gruesome, but they're reporting locally that a ligature was used.

[Amy]

Rock Star,...are you as shocked as i am that he plead NOT guilty?

Most of the people arrested seem to plead not guilty, even those that have "confessed" to LE. Cuz, of course, their lawyer will try to get it that the confession was coerced. Not that LE has a confession out of this one, of course.

He has had lawyers for some days now, I am sure they were preparing for this moment.

[CC I See]

Not to be gruesome, but they're reporting locally that a ligature was used.

Here is the most recent link... http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/20/illinois.slaying.arrests/index.html

[bkwits]

Good Morning, bkwits,

I believe I heard that the MCS are back on the case. Maybe they are going to arrest another person.

Does anyone know if Chris is on suicide watch?

IMO.
M.

Praying for Sheri, Garret and Gavin's loved ones and friends.


Suicide watch? I don't think there is a likelihood of suicide by this narcissistic monster. He loves himself too much. (sorry for the sarcasm) :mad:

Where is he incarerated now? Waterloo?

[Amy]

didn't we hear that sheri's jaw was broken? (or something like that?)
i wonder if that is not true then if they are saying they were killed by ligature?

If it's true that a neighbor heard screams 2 or 3 am, perhaps there was a fight and Sheri's jaw was broken then. And, they have not publicized the TOD, it could have been that @ least Sheri might have been killed about then. Just because he's in security doesn't mean that he keeps up w/things like how to determine TOD--that it could be detected if she was killed much earlier than after 5:43 am.

Or, there could have been an altercation just prior to his leaving. He breaks her jaw during a fight (regardless of the time) and then strangles her cuz she wants to go to the hospital, and he would be arrested. And, perhaps the boys were awakened by the fight, and so that is why they were murdered also.

[Marcia3]

Suicide watch? I don't think there is a likelihood of suicide by this narcissistic monster. He loves himself too much. (sorry for the sarcasm) :mad:

Where is he incarerated now? Waterloo?

Amen...none of these self-loving dudes would kill themselves. He is probably deluded enough, IMO, to honestly believe that he will not be found guilty.

[Amy]

Now this is all conjecture on my part, but I have to wonder if he did this horrible deed because of that g/f or if he just wanted the playboy lifestyle while keeping his job at JMM.

I gather, from other posters, that JMM would not allow him to keep his job if he divorced (someone correct me if I am wrong). IMO, he was young, had a good job, traveled all over, maybe wanted to play the field. A side benefit is that he would have a tragic story to tell. IMO

I hadn't read what the exact policy or whatever they are calling it now is. I don't know if the organization would have a tolerance if someone is divorced, but I am pretty sure they have an intolerance for infidelity and adultery.

IMO, this is exactly the same as SP. IMO, he (and CC) decided they wanted to be free (and I don't think for a minute that SP would have married Amber Frey) because they have a taste of what is out there if they are free, and don't have to worry about fidelity. And, divorce would certainly be costly-paying child support, possible alimony or spousal support that would certainly cut into what he would have to spend on his new life.

Then, of course, there is image to consider. They have managed to put on a facade of regular life, by watching how others act and talk. Marriage is something most people do. Divorce? Well THAT would sure tarnish the image (and possibly, in CC's case, cost him his job, if it's true they can't be divorced.) BUT, being the poor grieving widow or father of murder victims--now, that is a more tolerable image. Think of all the sympathy, and after some time (some can't wait very long, tho) he can go on to his new life. And, don't forget the insurance, as many seem to have good insurance policies on their wives.

When they are shaping their actions based on what they see others do--perhaps they should look @ the cases where murder just doesn't end in the free lifestyle they were looking for---but a nice little cell for the rest of their lives. Perhaps they should have been watching the men who do the honorable thing and get a divorce instead. @ least they are free to walk around, and even to date--just maybe not in the style these fellows were wanting to do.

[CC I See]

People who abuse and kill have been spoiled into thinking that they are entitled to always get what they want. What a price for this family to have paid.This alleged killer did so because it was something he wanted to do because they were standing in his way of a new and better life. This is setting up to be another case, not about justice but about who can hire the better legal team to keep him from seeing it carried out.

[Ninja108]

Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, Stacey Castor, Chris Coleman, Neil Enwistale, Melanie Mcguire, list could go and on. None of them will ever kill themselves, nor will they ever admit their guilt. Their spouses and children mean nothing to them, only tools to be used and thrown away when it interfers with their life or are no longer needed. They will never show any remorse or guilt for killing the people closet to them or hurting their loved ones who will never see them again, NEVER.
I really wish we could just light a biigggg fire and throw them all in. They'll be going to hell anyway, may as well as give them a preview of it.

[Amy]

Thank you for the forum Coldwater.

I have two questions if anyone knows. Does Illinois have cameras in the courtroom during high profile trials and who is this killer's attorney?

From all I have seen and read, it seems the judge in charge of the trial is the one who determines whether or not s/he will allow cameras in a particular case.

[CC I See]

From all I have seen and read, it seems the judge in charge of the trial is the one who determines whether or not s/he will allow cameras in a particular case.

I hope they do so that if in the event he walks on this, we know who to blame.

[Ice Cycle]

Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, Stacey Castor, Chris Coleman, Neil Enwistale, Melanie Mcguire, list could go and on. None of them will ever kill themselves, nor will they ever admit their guilt. Their spouses and children mean nothing to them, only tools to be used and thrown away when it interfers with their life or are no longer needed. They will never show any remorse or guilt for killing the people closet to them or hurting their loved ones who will never see them again, NEVER.
I really wish we could just light a biigggg fire and throw them all in. They'll be going to hell anyway, may as well as give them a preview of it.

Best Idea I have heard yet, you've gave this alot of though haven't you.

[Amy]

hello everyone - am i in the right place to discuss coleman now? i hope so.

i am actually astounded that he WROTE ON THE WALL in addition to calling or a wellness check so soon after he left the house. i mean, why didn't he just flee the country or something? iirc mexico doesn't have extradition, does it? he apparently thinks, like so many of them, that he is smarter than everyone else.

how tragic for that poor mom and kids and their families. actually, how tragic for everyone but him.

Nah, fleeing would be a last resort. He would be on the run, always looking over his shoulder that DOG the BOUNTY HUNTER would be coming after him. And, of course, he would not have the money from the insurance to live on. I think they really think they are going to be able to pull it off--get all the sympathy from everyone, that they will collect that money and be living on easy street. Free to be with whomever he wants (but I sure don't see getting hitched again in the near future--why jump right back into a relationship that will tie him down?)

IMO

[USACQ]

Ice Cycle and Shells:

I agree with your posts. I'm having trouble with this, and while it is likely that he's guilty...

I lead a team that does corporate investigations, and I always caution the team to work on multiple scenarios. I've seen firsthand some very bad outcomes when a team develops one theory / scenario and then only tries to prove that one as true.

SO - with this crime, I'm looking at it and a small part of me still thinks that it could be an outsider.

Before everyone flames me on this - do I think he could be guilty? Yes. The glove, if it has his prints, is pretty solid.

BUT .. consider this carefully:

Many of the comments on this board have been: "Oh, he has a girlfriend - he's guilty". (Not necessarily - adulterer to murderer is a huge leap).

"He wouldn't leave the window unlocked". (I've done it, and had threats against me. Even left the garage door open one night and was horrified about it afterwards).

"Why would he call home to check on his family"

etc.

SO - the "what if", is this:

What if Chris did have threats against him and his family. What if a person who is smart, stalked them and decided that killing the family and making Chris take the fall would be the ultimate move.

Chris goes to work out - the killer knows him, knows the family patterns. He has tried a few other times to get in but failed... and that day, one of the kids had opened a window and it went unnoticed... unlocked.

Killer gets in... 20 seconds each victim and they are unconscious, then dead. Killer pockets his gloves, takes spray paint and gloves from the garage... paints a message... discards the gloves along Chris' route to the gym.

Again, before you flame - Chris' behavior, his family disagreements - IMO, none of them are THAT implausible actually. The guy isn't doing the Drew Peterson.

Maybe the family never saw eye to eye. and, maybe they had marital / financial trouble, a girlfriend.... it still is a big leap to premeditated strangling of your children.

Is it likely that he's guilty? Yep, imo. But is all the evidence WE KNOW so far enough to convince me completely? Not yet. Its also possible that it was someone else.

[Amy]

Yep, Yep, Yep....

It is clear, IMO, that the 'threats' were all part of the plan; that is why he called for a welfare check, rather than do the normal thing and drive home himself.

Does anyone know if when he called for the 'welfare' check, if he mentioned to LE that he was concerned because of numerous threats, that he already reported?

TIA


Oh, another case this reminds me of, is that ME that killed his wife, went to work, tried to call, couldn't reach her, and had his assistant run to his house to check on her...

Maybe Chris Coleman watched a little to many episodes of Suburban Secrets and other true crime shows, he seems to be 'borrowing' from many other well covered cases.

But, he should realize that because he is watching these episodes, IT IS BECAUSE THE PERSON WAS CAUGHT AND CONVICTED for Pete's sake!!! And it seems he isn't doing anything different from what the other bozos were doing. Didn't he get it--that what they were doing may have stalled the case for a bit, but in the end, the perp was caught. Maybe he was hoping the authorities wouldn't figure it out before he got the insurance money and put it someplace overseas or wherever it would be protected.

[darcie]

This is snipped from the St. Louis Message board:
here is the link, and was posted at 11:32 a.m.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/emaf.nsf/comments?ReadForm&db=stltoday%5Cnews%5Cstories.nsf&docid=315669E8A987E00B862575BC0017DB5B#tp_newComme ntAnchor

This could just be hear say but....a good friend of mine works at Joyce Meyer's and talk around there has it that Chris Coleman has had a couple of flings with gals who work there as well. Nice place!!!

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I read in one of the articles posted that LE was still sesrching for family, friends, co-workers, etc. of the Coleman family. I guess reasons like the one above are why.

[Amy]

I don't believe that it would have stopped him; He would have thought he could do better.

I bet Joyce Meyer is having a cardiac about now...this is going to be attached to her whether fair or unfair; at some point she is going to have to address this; as I am sure she will be called as a witness.

If he didn't tell her about the threats, I don't see what she would be able to offer. Just that he worked there, and there had been no problems (if indeed there were no problems.) More likely it would be someone who worked with him, his supervisor, a co-worker that might have seen a change in behaviour, etc. Whomever from the organization that might have investigated about whatever policy he resigned over. IMO

[Amy]

Here is there link.

http://mgmlawfirm.com/Firm%20Info/Lawyers.aspx

They are a father/son team and people claim they are best that money can buy. And they do cost some money.

I have noticed they are quite close mouthed. I think it safe to assume that they won't be defending this case in the public eye. Nancy Grace or no Nancy Grace. They'll save it all for the courtoom. And they will be ready.

I used to live in St. Louis, but now live about 150 miles south. I have read several articles in the past of people they have defended (and won). Will try and do some searching and toss some links up.

Since we haven't seen them on the nightly news from the minute they were hired, I agree--they are probably darn intelligent lawyers who know that the trial should take place in the courtroom. I will be mightily disappointed if we see them on NG explaining their strategy.

So far, LE has also done a good job of holding their cards close to the vest, let's hope they continue to not be giving out info that might jeopordize the case. Cuz, if they make one misstep, I'm betting CC's lawyers will be all over that in a heartbeat, and they might even be able to get charges reduced or something.

Baez Law Firm they are not---and I don't see they will be making ANY of the mistakes Baez has. Bet they have a bona fide pr firm, too.

[Amy]

Good Morning, bkwits,

I believe I heard that the MCS are back on the case. Maybe they are going to arrest another person.

Does anyone know if Chris is on suicide watch?

IMO.
M.

Praying for Sheri, Garret and Gavin's loved ones and friends.

All of the murder cases I have followed on the message boards, the perp is placed on suicide watch when first arrested. The only one who had attempted (or allegedly attempted) suicide prior to the arrest was Huckaby. Neil Entwistle's alleged attempt @ suicide came some time after his arrest. So, I think it just must be standard procedure in most places for them to be on suicide watch, I guess until they are finished w/their intake, which I suppose includes a psychiatric exam?

[CC I See]

Ice Cycle and Shells:

I agree with your posts. I'm having trouble with this, and while it is likely that he's guilty...

I lead a team that does corporate investigations, and I always caution the team to work on multiple scenarios. I've seen firsthand some very bad outcomes when a team develops one theory / scenario and then only tries to prove that one as true.

SO - with this crime, I'm looking at it and a small part of me still thinks that it could be an outsider.

Before everyone flames me on this - do I think he could be guilty? Yes. The glove, if it has his prints, is pretty solid.

BUT .. consider this carefully:

Many of the comments on this board have been: "Oh, he has a girlfriend - he's guilty". (Not necessarily - adulterer to murderer is a huge leap).

"He wouldn't leave the window unlocked". (I've done it, and had threats against me. Even left the garage door open one night and was horrified about it afterwards).

"Why would he call home to check on his family"

etc.

SO - the "what if", is this:

What if Chris did have threats against him and his family. What if a person who is smart, stalked them and decided that killing the family and making Chris take the fall would be the ultimate move.

Chris goes to work out - the killer knows him, knows the family patterns. He has tried a few other times to get in but failed... and that day, one of the kids had opened a window and it went unnoticed... unlocked.

Killer gets in... 20 seconds each victim and they are unconscious, then dead. Killer pockets his gloves, takes spray paint and gloves from the garage... paints a message... discards the gloves along Chris' route to the gym.

Again, before you flame - Chris' behavior, his family disagreements - IMO, none of them are THAT implausible actually. The guy isn't doing the Drew Peterson.

Maybe the family never saw eye to eye. and, maybe they had marital / financial trouble, a girlfriend.... it still is a big leap to premeditated strangling of your children.

Is it likely that he's guilty? Yep, imo. But is all the evidence WE KNOW so far enough to convince me completely? Not yet. Its also possible that it was someone else.

The comment that comes to my mind when I read this is that I do not believe that LE would have arrested him unless the fingerprints on the glove plus other DNA matched Chris Coleman. If this were not so, they would not have enough to convict him and would not have jeopardised this case with a premature arrest. They have the glove, they know who wore it, if there were other prints on it and other DNA on it, they would not have acted.

[Amy]

Not to be gruesome, but they're reporting locally that a ligature was used.

In the video, the LE spokesperson also said that. A ligature was used, but declined to specify what it was.

[Jester]

I'm not torn at all.

I believe Christopher is the murderer.

I'm with you. The arrest does not surprise me in the least.

I have to wonder if the new evidence was not only the investigation of spray paint purchase, but also if the glove didn't reveal fingerprints connecting Chris to the gloves and the gloves to the paint.

[Scampi]

Ice Cycle and Shells:

(snipped for space)

Is it likely that he's guilty? Yep, imo. But is all the evidence WE KNOW so far enough to convince me completely? Not yet. Its also possible that it was someone else.

Explain to us, if your scenario is true, why did coleman refuse to cooperate with LE, fail to notify his wife's family of her murder and also do you think his affair is just coincidental to these murders?

[Nellie]

If it's true that a neighbor heard screams 2 or 3 am, perhaps there was a fight and Sheri's jaw was broken then. And, they have not publicized the TOD, it could have been that @ least Sheri might have been killed about then. Just because he's in security doesn't mean that he keeps up w/things like how to determine TOD--that it could be detected if she was killed much earlier than after 5:43 am.

Or, there could have been an altercation just prior to his leaving. He breaks her jaw during a fight (regardless of the time) and then strangles her cuz she wants to go to the hospital, and he would be arrested. And, perhaps the boys were awakened by the fight, and so that is why they were murdered also.


I think it was more "planned" than that. This was not a spur of the moment "broke her jaw during an argument" murder. He had been planning for this day for months.....imo

[Jester]

I also believe in "innocent until proven guilty."

In a court of law.

In the court of public opinion... anything goes.

As it should be.

We don't have to conclude he's innocent simply because we're waiting for the trial. He's presumed innocent, but the prosecution, police, and many of us know he's guilty. The trial is a mere formality giving him the opportunity to refute all the evidence that points to his guilt.

[omsk99]

Not to be gruesome, but they're reporting locally that a ligature was used.

"On Tuesday night just after Coleman was arrested at his parent's home in Chester, Granite City Police Maj. Jeff Connor, head of the Major Case Squad of the Greater St. Louis Area, said all three victims had been strangled with a "ligature," some type of wire, rope or cord."

http://www.bnd.com/100/story/775913.html

[Ice Cycle]

[quote=USACQ;13122747]Ice Cycle and Shells:

I agree with your posts. I'm having trouble with this, and while it is likely that he's guilty...

Well don't misunderstand I 99% think he did this, I guess my problem is comprehending how someone could do this at all, let alone to his own kids and the motive for another person and or $$$.
Just difficult for me to believe that anyone is that desperate or actually thinks they can get away with it.
But I have to assume that LE has enough evidence to convict him or they wouldn't of went forth with this.

[trich]

hello everyone - am i in the right place to discuss coleman now? i hope so.

i am actually astounded that he WROTE ON THE WALL in addition to calling or a wellness check so soon after he left the house. i mean, why didn't he just flee the country or something? iirc mexico doesn't have extradition, does it? he apparently thinks, like so many of them, that he is smarter than everyone else.

how tragic for that poor mom and kids and their families. actually, how tragic for everyone but him.

Mexico does have extradition...I think if you don't charge the DP.
They just recently sent Caesar back to stand trial for the killing the Marine, he tried to burn, who was pregnant.

[Jester]

[quote=USACQ;13122747]Ice Cycle and Shells:

I agree with your posts. I'm having trouble with this, and while it is likely that he's guilty...

Well don't misunderstand I 99% think he did this, I guess my problem is comprehending how someone could do this at all, let alone to his own kids and the motive for another person and or $$$.
Just difficult for me to believe that anyone is that desperate or actually thinks they can get away with it.
But I have to assume that LE has enough evidence to convict him or they wouldn't of went forth with this.

Only an emotionless, ruthless, selfish man could systematically walk through his house strangling each member of his family. What is interesting is that he came from a very religious family, yet he had the same emotional break as people like Scott Peterson, Casey Anthony, and numerous other sociopathic family annihilators. Somewhere, during his early childhood, he learned to suppress his feelings to the extent that he no longer felt them.

What do we know about his family structure? Was he an only child? The youngest? What happened that he was neglected so badly as to no longer feel like real people?

[trich]

I agree with you. The threatening letters from someone else. (allegedly)
Wonder if that glove they found was the ultimate reason they could arrest Coleman for the murder of his wife and two children.

I found it interesting how quick Joyce Myers let this guy go so quickly after this happened. The reasoning behind his termination with the ministry, too.

I'm sure NG will be right on it tonight.



JMO


I bet they were able to find dna or skin or fingerprints from the inside
of that glove.
I sure hope so.

[Musterion]

Suicide watch? I don't think there is a likelihood of suicide by this narcissistic monster. He loves himself too much. (sorry for the sarcasm) :mad:

Where is he incarerated now? Waterloo?

Sarcasm is okay!

If Chris is a narcissist he, more than likely, would not commit suicide. However, if he is a 'classic' narcissist he may have suicidal ideation. Using the situation that he is in to gain sympathy and attention.

He is more than likely in solitary confinement and being monitored 24 hours. Which is a good thing for the prison and for CC.

IMO.
M.

[omsk99]

I bet they were able to find dna or skin or fingerprints from the inside
of that glove.
I sure hope so.

It's been confirmed that eth glove was Latex, which means the DNA or a fingerprint are easier to cllect (than, for example from a cloth glove). From what I ahev read, that seems to be the biggest forensic evidence they have, so they must have matched his DNA/fingerprint to that glove and the paint used (possible) if they were able to get an arrest warrant. IMO

[Ice Cycle]

This has to be a money motive, he obviously did not want to pay support for what about 10 more years. Though he had obviously been supporting them since she did not work. Red flag for me went off when heard house and cars was in his name.

[TexanLisa]

[QUOTE=Ice Cycle;13122866]

Only an emotionless, ruthless, selfish man could systematically walk through his house strangling each member of his family. What is interesting is that he came from a very religious family, yet he had the same emotional break as people like Scott Peterson, Casey Anthony, and numerous other sociopathic family annihilators. Somewhere, during his early childhood, he learned to suppress his feelings to the extent that he no longer felt them.

What do we know about his family structure? Was he an only child? The youngest? What happened that he was neglected so badly as to no longer feel like real people?

No offense, but the "Susan Smith look how bad I was treated as a child" defense isn't going to work. I am so weary of "excuses, excuses, excuses." Responsibility for the choices you make...I preach it to my children every single day.

What makes you think he learned to suppress feelings as a child?
What does his family structure have to do with anything? What does being an only child have to do with anything? Why does he have to have been neglected to no longer feel like a real person?

Look, people are raised in crappy environments with crappy parents all the time and they don't end up terminating their spouses and children.
I am sick of the "something had to have happened" to him for him to be this way to excuse what this man is accused of doing.

Some people are born with NO conscience. Some people are born selfish and uncaring. Some people are just through and through, pure evil.

Then there are some, who play the "pity me -- I had to eat spinach as a kid and it traumatized me" card so they don't have to actually take responsibility for the choices that they took a great deal of time and effort to make.

He is accused of killing his wife and two children. From what I can ascertain, he pre-planned every bit of it (i.e. threatening letters, security measures, trip to the gym, calling the cops). Nothing excuses that. Nothing.

If he wants sympathy, I can tell him where to find it. It's between *hit and syphilis in the dictionary.



Just my two pesos.

[Ice Cycle]

[quote=Jester;13122906]

No offense, but the "Susan Smith look how bad I was treated as a child" defense isn't going to work. I am so weary of "excuses, excuses, excuses." Responsibility for the choices you make...I preach it to my children every single day.

What makes you think he learned to suppress feelings as a child?
What does his family structure have to do with anything? What does being an only child have to do with anything? Why does he have to have been neglected to no longer feel like a real person?

Look, people are raised in crappy environments with crappy parents all the time and they don't end up terminating their spouses and children.
I am sick of the "something had to have happened" to him for him to be this way to excuse what this man is accused of doing.

Some people are born with NO conscience. Some people are born selfish and uncaring. Some people are just through and through, pure evil.

Then there are some, who play the "pity me -- I had to eat spinach as a kid and it traumatized me" card so they don't have to actually take responsibility for the choices that they took a great deal of time and effort to make.

He is accused of killing his wife and two children. From what I can ascertain, he pre-planned every bit of it (i.e. threatening letters, security measures, trip to the gym, calling the cops). Nothing excuses that. Nothing.

If he wants sympathy, I can tell him where to find it. It's between *hit and syphilis in the dictionary.



Just my two pesos.

Well you snipped my name on Jester's post. I happened to agree with you though, no excuse it the world would even begin to justify this and as far as I am concerned the I had it done to me so I will is just hog wash, that should be the opposite.

[TexanLisa]

Well you snipped my name on Jester's post. I happened to agree with you though, no excuse it the world would even begin to justify this and as far as I am concerned the I had it done to me so I will is just hog wash, that should be the opposite.

LOL! You snipped Jester's name on my post?! You got your peanut butter in my chocolate..... (sorry, that just amused me).

Ditto to your post.

[TexanLisa]

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/hln/nancy_grace_boots_guest_after_he_calls_her_show_a_ joke_116962.asp

"Nancy Grace Boots Guest After he Calls her Show "A Joke"

"So yesterday, on ST. Louis KPLR TV. McGraw explained the whole incident. 'We hate to be a story in the story' McGraw said, and continued to describe the last week as 'spending an hour rehashing two nuggets of information"

Full article at link

You know, I used to love NG's show, but this guy is dead on about it.

She finds a nugget and milks that thing for all it is worth (i.e. Breaking News that Caylee's body has been found).

Maybe McGraw should have done a rhyme time like Susan (whatever her name is) does. That woman is the Mother Goose of Crime News.

NG isn't about victims anymore, IMO. If it were, Brittanee Drexel and a great deal more missing people would be covered instead of the same old, same old, "Casey bought pop tarts in jail" diatribe.

Not to mention the fact that you better agree with every little innuendo and insinuation that she makes or you will be beaten for having your own mind to form your own opinion.

But wait, we have pics of the twins. (OMG did I say that outloud?)

[Jester]

No offense, but the "Susan Smith look how bad I was treated as a child" defense isn't going to work. I am so weary of "excuses, excuses, excuses." Responsibility for the choices you make...I preach it to my children every single day.

What makes you think he learned to suppress feelings as a child?
What does his family structure have to do with anything? What does being an only child have to do with anything? Why does he have to have been neglected to no longer feel like a real person?

Look, people are raised in crappy environments with crappy parents all the time and they don't end up terminating their spouses and children.
I am sick of the "something had to have happened" to him for him to be this way to excuse what this man is accused of doing.

Some people are born with NO conscience. Some people are born selfish and uncaring. Some people are just through and through, pure evil.

Then there are some, who play the "pity me -- I had to eat spinach as a kid and it traumatized me" card so they don't have to actually take responsibility for the choices that they took a great deal of time and effort to make.

He is accused of killing his wife and two children. From what I can ascertain, he pre-planned every bit of it (i.e. threatening letters, security measures, trip to the gym, calling the cops). Nothing excuses that. Nothing.

If he wants sympathy, I can tell him where to find it. It's between *hit and syphilis in the dictionary.



Just my two pesos.

I'm not looking for an excuse, and I highly doubt that "sad childhood" would be used as a justification for what he did. I'm looking for an explanation. I want to understand how a child raised in a strong Christian environment grows up to be a family annihilator.

I'm assuming that Chris Coleman has a sociopathic personality disorder and, based on an understanding of that personality defect, I'm wondering what early childhood factors influenced this defect. Suppression of emotional response during early childhood (due to neglect) is one of the influencing factors in the absence of normal emotional responses in adults.

Forgive me, but I don't believe "evil children are born that way", although that may be the Christian view.

[Jester]

That said, does anyone know anything about Chris Coleman's family structure?

[Tracian]

I saw Nancy's show with McGraw. On NG's show, before he left, he said that NG was protecting the prosecutor for not arresting CC. And now, he apparently thinks that he got the ball rolling for an arrest to finally be made.



JMO


OMG...what an ego on that jerk. Yep, McGraw got the ball rolling all right...the Prosecutor takes his 'cue' from McGraw...

GMAB:rolleyes:

[Ice Cycle]

LOL! You snipped Jester's name on my post?! You got your peanut butter in my chocolate..... (sorry, that just amused me).

Ditto to your post.

Well sorry but having trouble working and keeping up with other posts -can't be confused like that. Just Kidding.

[TexanLisa]

I'm not looking for an excuse, and I highly doubt that "sad childhood" would be used as a justification for what he did. I'm looking for an explanation. I want to understand how a child raised in a strong Christian environment grows up to be a family annihilator.

I'm assuming that Chris Coleman has a sociopathic personality disorder and, based on an understanding of that personality defect, I'm wondering what early childhood factors influenced this defect. Suppression of emotional response during early childhood (due to neglect) is one of the influencing factors in the absence of normal emotional responses in adults.

Forgive me, but I don't believe "evil children are born that way", although that may be the Christian view.


IMO, the only explanation is that he made the choice (not to mention the time and effort) to strangle the life out of each of his children and his wife because he no longer wanted them in his life. His choice.

Am I to assume that everyone who commits a horrific crime as an adult had something happen to them in their childhood? Honestly?

[TexanLisa]

Well sorry but having trouble working and keeping up with other posts -can't be confused like that. Just Kidding.

I know, it confused me, too. I am not even working today...what does that say about me?

:0

[Dietcokefan]

This has to be a money motive, he obviously did not want to pay support for what about 10 more years. Though he had obviously been supporting them since she did not work. Red flag for me went off when heard house and cars was in his name.

I have yet to figure out or understand why her name was just recently removed from the house too...

[kellabeck]

Temporary Insanity can be his only defense, unless he claims someone else set him up... but it seems this has been on his mind for awhile with the supposed threatening letters (if they are not real) and a gf.

The Real Killer framed him. Trust me. That is going to be his defense.

[Jester]

IMO, the only explanation is that he made the choice (not to mention the time and effort) to strangle the life out of each of his children and his wife because he no longer wanted them in his life. His choice.

Am I to assume that everyone who commits a horrific crime as an adult had something happen to them in their childhood? Honestly?

There are some complex, and interesting, underlying psychological issues that result in people becoming family annihilators. That is of particular interest to me.

I don't think there is any justification for generalizing a question regarding family annihilators and sociopathic personality disorder to apply to all "horrific crime[s]". I understand that this is of no interest to you.

[Jester]

No. But start with this to understand sociopathy.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Thanks. That site is not written by a psychologist or psychiatrist. I am familiar with personality disorder, and am only looking to understand Chris's family and childhood.

[kellabeck]

I am glad the police moved quickly and arrested the alledged murderer.

What is it that is missing in me that fails to understand how a husband and a father could kill his own?

Whatever it is, I am glad it is not there.

Thank you, Lord, for that.

How could Jeffrey McDonald, after killing his wife Coleen and his older daughter, probably hitting her accidentally, decide to also stab his youngest daughter IN HER BACK in order to stage his phony Manson-type-hippie murders?

It takes a narcissist.

[Pruddennce]

I have yet to figure out or understand why her name was just recently removed from the house too...

yes, interesting.....Im wondering if it had to do with the ministry somehow, some connection regarding ownership and perhaps they funded the home....and Im betting, Sheri brought up DIVORCE, hence a significant motive.

I felt as many did, he was going to be arrested. one clue that pushed me further to that line of reasoning: LE stated that evidence was found on that certain highway stretch and for anyone that 'saw anything' to come forward.

on a previous thread it was my contention they found the 'weapon' he used..in addition to that weapon, gloves. at this time, however, I dont believe LE confirmed discoveries with a quoted statement?

he obviously thought LE would not trace his route and look for evidence.....thank gawd for stupidity.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[kellabeck]

I am still somewhat torn on committing to him having done this. It just seems way too cut and dried, too simple really.

Huh?????????

[kellabeck]

Absolutely. His story did not make sense from the get go.

Amen to that. Hinky from Jump Street.

I am willing to bet that LE was on to him from the first moment.

Just as it was with Robert Marshall in NJ in 1984. Before I knew anything about him, from a tiny mention in the NYT, I felt his story was hinky. Marshall claimed that as he drove himself and wife home from Atlantic City, he worried that he had a flat tire and so pulled into a picnic area (in the middle of the night) and as he checked the tire he must have been hit over the head because when he came to he discovered his wife Maria dead with a bullet to the brain in the front seat.

And without knowing he was in debt, and without knowing he had a GF who had given him an ultimatum, and without knowing he had a fistful of insurance policies on Maria, without knowing any of that, I THOUGHT THIS STORY WAS COMPLETELY HINKY.

[Pruddennce]

Thanks. That site is not written by a psychologist or psychiatrist. I am familiar with personality disorder, and am only looking to understand Chris's family and childhood.


I appreciate your interest in his childhood.....for me, I think its real simple and IMO nothing unusual stood out. psychopaths wear a mask.....sometimes, those closest to them are the ones that cannot see the forest for the trees....they become immune to 'off center' behaviour or make excuses.....

IMO, it was uneventful, he grew up, became an adult, married, fathered two children and took a stripper as a lover.

IMO, it was going to hit his wallet: alimony, support for his children and the inability to carry on his lifestyle, jetting back and forth to his lover. he was doing just fine staying married, its cheaper.

IMO, Sheri was going to divorce him. maybe even started proceedings.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[kellabeck]

Maybe I just can't wrap my head around a seemingly clean cut, nice, family man putting his hands around his wife and two little boys throats while they slept.. I just can not absorb it as truth yet.

As they say, get a grip.

[kellabeck]

SNIP
Is it likely that he's guilty? Yep, imo. But is all the evidence WE KNOW so far enough to convince me completely? Not yet. Its also possible that it was someone else.

Oh, puh-leeze!!

[kellabeck]

As someone already posted - remember Jeffrey McDonald?

Remember he described the chanting: :rolleyes:

"Kill the pigs - Acid is groovy"

That's similar to the message on the wall.

Yes, it's staging meant to deflect attention from the real killer.
See: ransom "letter", ransacking, writing on the wall, threatening letters...

[aproudmom]

Fox News reporting arraignment has already happened.

Christopher Coleman has pleaded not guilty to three counts of murder.

Are you shocked most guilty people plead not guilty..lol..love the name BTW:thumbup:

ALSO THANKS CW

[Pruddennce]

Coleman clearly thought this was going to be the perfect set up for him. Threatening letters, mail box tampering and to push it even further and write on the wall with paint before he left the house. What kind of man could do this to his own children.
The problem with all these nut balls is they actually think they can get away with it.
Jails and prisoners do not take a like to people killing children. That's why he's on a suicide watch, I think. He's another coward like the rest of these child killers.:angry:
JMHO

yes I agree Dianna.....and strangulation.....they suffered......its awful..

the cell pings are going to nail him as well IMO....

IMO he did the deed earlier, and was out driving around before he arrived at the gym.

best regards,
Pru

[Tracian]

As someone already posted - remember Jeffrey McDonald?

Remember he described the chanting: :rolleyes:

"Kill the pigs - Acid is groovy"

That's similar to the message on the wall.


I have to chuckle a bit every time I hear or read that 'Acid is groovy' carp...

Typical to liars...they try *too* hard to sound convincing...

[TexanLisa]

The Real Killer framed him. Trust me. That is going to be his defense.

Well, I would say get OJ to help them find the real killer, but he is unavailable at the moment.

[aproudmom]

Coleman clearly thought this was going to be the perfect set up for him. Threatening letters, mail box tampering and to push it even further and write on the wall with paint before he left the house. What kind of man could do this to his own children.
The problem with all these nut balls is they actually think they can get away with it.
Jails and prisoners do not take a like to people killing children. That's why he's on a suicide watch, I think. He's another coward like the rest of these child killers.:angry:
JMHO

Us normal people will never understand how anyone could do this to their own children..I think he had this planned and it was premeditated with the threatening letters and mailbox damaged and the writing on the wall..to bad for dummies they must not watch the news they almost always get caught so hope he is happy he got rid of his whole family for what reason..to be locked up and forget about the G/F he will end up with a nice big B/F in prison they don't like baby killers in there..hope he gets what is coming to him....jmo

In most cases like this they are on suicide watch for 48 hours sometimes longer if he wanted to off himself he had plenty of time to do it he knew they were on to him..all of AMERICA knew they were on to his lies

[TexanLisa]

There are some complex, and interesting, underlying psychological issues that result in people becoming family annihilators. That is of particular interest to me.

I don't think there is any justification for generalizing a question regarding family annihilators and sociopathic personality disorder to apply to all "horrific crime[s]". I understand that this is of no interest to you.


You are quite right. I don't feel the need to examine someone's childhood and find a "reason" for their behavior as adults.

Some people just make the choice to kill to alleviate their "self-perceived" problems. Some people think they have planned the "perfect crime" and will never be caught. Some people are just downright "evil".

I don't think Mommy and Daddy can be blamed for that.

[aproudmom]

Well, I would say get OJ to help them find the real killer, but he is unavailable at the moment.

OJ gave up on finding the real killer once he got on the back 9 on the golf course... Casey Anthony were is the real Zanny the Nanny killer, SP says he did not kill Lacie were is her real killer? DP says he did not kill his 2 wife's well guess all these killers are walking amongst us then IMO all of these sick EVIL MONSTERS need to be dropped off on a island and be done with them ALL..a total waste all of them..

[KittyMom]

The ligature info really upsets me. It was horrible enough to think that he strangled his family as they slept. But I just don't see a way to use a ligature on a sleeping person without waking them. Knowing that they awoke to a ligature tightening around their throats and looking up into his eyes just breaks my heart. That, more than anything, tells me what kind of a monster he is.

:sad:

[Scampi]

The ligature info really upsets me. It was horrible enough to think that he strangled his family as they slept. But I just don't see a way to use a ligature on a sleeping person without waking them. Knowing that they awoke to a ligature tightening around their throats and looking up into his eyes just breaks my heart. That, more than anything, tells me what kind of a monster he is.

:sad:

I think this coward used a ligature because this enabled him to strangle them from behind. At trial we will learn if he actually was behind them, imo. :mad:

[Scampi]

My husband; a former marine too, said, there is NO WAY IN HELL that a former Marine would call police for any well check. Add that he's also in security, and his story was simply ludicrous from the get go. It's hard to believe anyone could be this stupid to think his story would be believable.

I'm glad to hear they finally made the arrest.

:seeya: I hate when they mention his Marine background!

[aproudmom]

Thanks. That site is not written by a psychologist or psychiatrist. I am familiar with personality disorder, and am only looking to understand Chris's family and childhood.

Good luck just google pure EVIL cause that is just what it is..not sure you will ever know his entire childhood or family dynamics can't blame all these killings on someones past..he seemed just fine to work with JMM and was a MP in the Military at one time IIRC..all you may find is he wanted someone and was looking for the sympathy of losing his whole family or perhaps he wanted his G/F an was afraid divorce would cause him to lose his job and he would be looked at in a bad way since he did come from a family that was involved in their church...maybe he was just looking out for himself and his character does not always have to be some childhood problem or mental illness..pure EVIL in some cases..He cared about NO ONE other than himself when he wrapped something around his children's necks chocked the life out of those sweet children who never ask to be brought into this world so he decided to bring them in and also take them out along with their wonderful mother..

Nothing on JVM tonight I guess

[bkwits]

You know, I used to love NG's show, but this guy is dead on about it.

She finds a nugget and milks that thing for all it is worth (i.e. Breaking News that Caylee's body has been found).

Maybe McGraw should have done a rhyme time like Susan (whatever her name is) does. That woman is the Mother Goose of Crime News.

NG isn't about victims anymore, IMO. If it were, Brittanee Drexel and a great deal more missing people would be covered instead of the same old, same old, "Casey bought pop tarts in jail" diatribe.

Not to mention the fact that you better agree with every little innuendo and insinuation that she makes or you will be beaten for having your own mind to form your own opinion.

But wait, we have pics of the twins. (OMG did I say that outloud?)

Ita, I stopped watching her show after she beat on the Caylee story so much. I thought if I heard say "tot mom" one more time, I would throw up. What is a "tot mom" anyway?

IMO

[Ontario]

"On Tuesday night just after Coleman was arrested at his parent's home in Chester, Granite City Police Maj. Jeff Connor, head of the Major Case Squad of the Greater St. Louis Area, said all three victims had been strangled with a "ligature," some type of wire, rope or cord."

http://www.bnd.com/100/story/775913.html

Yes, I just heard that on our News her in Ontario, and that would take a pretty strong person, because it is not an easy thing to do, because the person would struggle abit, which also tells you how very sick he is, as he did it not once but to (3) different people, I do not believe that his GF had anything to do will the actual murders, but what she has to live with for the rest of her life, I think that in itself is a terrible price that she has to pay, but I also think she helped the task force with info, so if that is the case she does derserve a very small, mind you I mean very small thank you! I do hope he gets the DP. plus more!!

[Noahs ARK]

My husband; a former marine too, said, there is NO WAY IN HELL that a former Marine would call police for any well check. Add that he's also in security, and his story was simply ludicrous from the get go. It's hard to believe anyone could be this stupid to think his story would be believable.

I'm glad to hear they finally made the arrest.

My husband is a retired Marine and said the same thing.

PLUS - he made our home into Fort Knox when he started traveling. NOBODY is getting into our house between the dogs and the ADT security system.

[TexanLisa]

Ita, I stopped watching her show after she beat on the Caylee story so much. I thought if I heard say "tot mom" one more time, I would throw up. What is a "tot mom" anyway?

IMO

I think it just flowed with "octo" mom, as she was covering that story at the same time. It was either Octo or Tot mom all the time.

I just don't see her as a true victim's advocate as I did at one time.

To me she has become an ugly person who wants to sit as judge, juror and excutioner on everyone and everything. Then again, I guess if it bleeds, it leads.

[TexanLisa]

Yes, I just heard that on our News her in Ontario, and that would take a pretty strong person, because it is not an easy thing to do, because the person would struggle abit, which also tells you how very sick he is, as he did it not once but to (3) different people, I do not believe that his GF had anything to do will the actual murders, but what she has to live with for the rest of her life, I think that in itself is a terrible price that she has to pay, but I also think she helped the task force with info, so if that is the case she does derserve a very small, mind you I mean very small thank you! I do hope he gets the DP. plus more!!

You know, IIRC, the g/f was a friend of Sheri's. She was having an affair with her friends husband and now Sheri and her children are dead. I am afraid she is going to have to pack a really big bag for the guilt trip that her life is about to become.

JMO

[CC I See]

You know, IIRC, the g/f was a friend of Sheri's. She was having an affair with her friends husband and now Sheri and her children are dead. I am afraid she is going to have to pack a really big bag for the guilt trip that her life is about to become.

JMO

IF she helped him plan the murders ... she won't need the bag. Prison furnishes everything she will need.

[aproudmom]

My husband; a former marine too, said, there is NO WAY IN HELL that a former Marine would call police for any well check. Add that he's also in security, and his story was simply ludicrous from the get go. It's hard to believe anyone could be this stupid to think his story would be believable.

I'm glad to hear they finally made the arrest.

got to agree my BIL is in the service and said the same thing first of all he said if my sister and him were getting threats he would not even allow her to be home alone and he would have a alarm put in since he is gone a lot but seemed CC had no worries leaving his wife an kids as he went off to the gym...:sneaky:

[aproudmom]

IF she helped him plan the murders ... she won't need the bag. Prison furnishes everything she will need.

LOL I know it is not funny but just the way you said it made me laugh..omg you think she knew..I am not sure I am wondering if she was not stopping it if he remained married I am very curious about this DVD that was found the first thing that came to me is someone sent Sheri C something or he got caught before he had his final plans and had to take her out a few said they heard yelling that night IIRC..and I hear it was some sort of cord...wonder if any DVD players are missing..ugh don't even want to think about it


NG on here right now..

[aproudmom]

You know, IIRC, the g/f was a friend of Sheri's. She was having an affair with her friends husband and now Sheri and her children are dead. I am afraid she is going to have to pack a really big bag for the guilt trip that her life is about to become.

JMO

I don't think she knew it was going to happen or they would arrest her also but I hope she suffers with guilt for the rest of her life this was her friends husband that is bad enough for me. JMO of course

[Tracian]

Wow...Mark Klass looked about in tears.

[CC I See]

LOL I know it is not funny but just the way you said it made me laugh..omg you think she knew..I am not sure I am wondering if she was not stopping it if he remained married I am very curious about this DVD that was found the first thing that came to me is someone sent Sheri C something or he got caught before he had his final plans and had to take her out a few said they heard yelling that night IIRC..and I hear it was some sort of cord...wonder if any DVD players are missing..ugh don't even want to think about it


NG on here right now..

We don't know if this person was part of what happened, but I am sure LE wants to know where she was that night and how much she knew beforehand what he was planning. Being in another state does not clear her. A person who would have a long term affair with her best friend's husband is probably devious enough to be part of this, especially if there was Insurance involved.

[sunstar]

Wow...Mark Klass looked about in tears.

Hi! I'm also watching Nancy's show. Poor Marc, almost reliving what happened to his beautiful Polly. :sad:

[Tia]

I think this coward used a ligature because this enabled him to strangle them from behind. At trial we will learn if he actually was behind them, imo. :mad:

I agree, I've been thinking all day "how could he do this???!!" The ligature makes sense how he could do it. Like you said, he could get them from behind and not have to look into their pleading eyes as he methodically snuffed the life out of them.

[~jomomma~]

i also wonder about the DVD that was found.

i've wondered if it was of CC and his GF and Sheri came across it somehow and confronted him. but i think this was all premeditated so like proudmom said, it just made it happen before he had planned to?

who knows...why would they even mention a CD if it has nothing to do with the case? i'm sure there was all kinds of stuff along that road they picked up but it was mentioned right along with the glove, wasn't it?

[aproudmom]

To those who posted questioning how a sweet family man could murder his wife and two young sons: We all know that public and private personas can be quite different. We've seen respected people of the clergy, soccer moms, smiling affable athletes, clean cut preppies, sweet looking grandmas, and people who are pillars of their communities commit heinous murders. Let us not forget that CC is an ex-Marine, trained to kill in that manner, and had a long time mistress. Along with the stupid staging of the crime, and the neighbors hearing the argument during the night before the bodies were discovered, if these is any forensic evidence, and my guess is that there is (probably DNA on the rubber glove with the paint matched to the wall message, and if lucky partial prints inside the glove, maybe some of his hair dried in the wet paint on the wall, maybe his GF will be another Amber Frey witness for the prosecution, maybe matched the threat letters paper or printer, maybe there are survailence tapes of him purchasing spray paint or gloves).

If the prosecution has some of the above forensic evidence, no matter how good Coleman's attorneys are, there is no defense, even if GOD told him to do it, that will acquit him of this heinous triple homicide.

As for the groans about NG's persistance: Without NG's unwaivering advocacy for the victims, and her constant mentioning about how staged and phoney Coleman's alibi, the welfare call, the threats to him personally, added with a long time mistress seemed, this might have dragged on for years like Drew Peterson. Some might find NG irritating, but I sure would want her on my side if any of my loved one's was murdered or missing. I also agree that Coleman can never be put in gen pop. If the prosecution has the convicting forsenic evidence, the best outcome, is for Coleman to plead out, to save his family more public shame, and to save the state the cost of a lengthy expensive trial, making it to their advantage to agree ELIGIBILITY for parole after 40 years, and incarceration in a sweet facility like Jeff MacDonald's in Cumberland MD. I know that some would want something stiffer, but think about a narcissistic sociopath being for 40 years until he is about 70 something, and then being ONLY ELIGIBLE for a parole which would probably never come. For a guys like Colemean, or both Peterson's, that would be like a death sentence. Not one of these ethnocentric animals can withstand incarceration until their 70s as broken men. In a 2007 photo of Scott Peterson, he looks like he's aged 15-20 years after only 2 years of incarceration, and has lost his player looks:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20271730,00.html

Topher

I have always thanked NG for all she does some hate her some love her but bottom line she does have these cases on her show..more than I can say about a lot of others...but then some want to bash her for asking hard questions that she ask both parents not just one so one decided she was pretty much caught and took herself out and now they want to blame it on NG cause she ask this mother were she had been with her missing child..PLEASE so many families would love to beg for help...she did not kill MD and some want to throw that in all the time but yet to see the good that has come from her work..

[sunstar]

I have always thanked NG for all she does some hate her some love her but bottom line she does have these cases on her show..more than I can say about a lot of others...but then some want to bash her for asking hard questions that she ask both parents not just one so one decided she was pretty much caught and took herself out and now they want to blame it on NG cause she ask this mother were she had been with her missing child..PLEASE so many families would love to beg for help...she did not kill MD and some want to throw that in all the time but yet to see the good that has come from her work..

If it weren't for Nancy's show I wouldn't have even heard of a lot of the cases I've followed here, including this one. :smile: MOO

[aproudmom]

i also wonder about the DVD that was found.

i've wondered if it was of CC and his GF and Sheri came across it somehow and confronted him. but i think this was all premeditated so like proudmom said, it just made it happen before he had planned to?

who knows...why would they even mention a CD if it has nothing to do with the case? i'm sure there was all kinds of stuff along that road they picked up but it was mentioned right along with the glove, wasn't it?

yeah so far they did not say it is contacted to the case but gets ya wondering doesn't it..at first I thought they said a DVD player and thought omg he took the cord off and that was what he used to take his precious family out..but then read it was a DVD so could have nothing to do with the case..I do think he was planning this with his threatening letters he let neighbors and LE know about if it is true I would really like to know if they were being threatened was there a Alarm system in that home and why it was not on when he left to go work out...he planned this no doubt in my mind she either found out they got into it she could have said you will loss your job and what will everyone think of you or something like that and he knew he had to shut her up and the kids were just 2 more things in his way of a new life...he is not a mental case IMO he is PURE EVIL and only thinking of himself and his character

[CC I See]

Joyce Meyer must be horrified to have employed this "devil in disguise" and in a security position no less.

Marc Klass called it the Peterson Gene.

[momof6]

Coleman and Andrea Yates are one in the same! I'm still having a hard time comprehending how a person can kill their own children. And the time it takes to kill them the way they did.

I'm not a christian, so have never heard Joyce Meyers, but a few women at the public school where I work, just love her. They have discussed her in the teachers room. I bet she is very upset also.

I bet he did not get a divorce, because he wanted money. As for his lover, I don't get how anyone could have an affair. If someone is having an affair with a married person, they are a homewrecker and just as evil.

I'm so sick about this!!!

[Tracian]

Coleman and Andrea Yates are one in the same! I'm still having a hard time comprehending how a person can kill their own children. And the time it takes to kill them the way they did.

I'm not a christian, so have never heard Joyce Meyers, but a few women at the public school where I work, just love her. They have discussed her in the teachers room. I bet she is very upset also.

I bet he did not get a divorce, because he wanted money. As for his lover, I don't get how anyone could have an affair. If someone is having an affair with a married person, they are a homewrecker and just as evil.

I'm so sick about this!!!


Joyce Myers has had her share of problems. A year or so ago, she was under investigation in regards to her donations.

[TexanLisa]

I have always thanked NG for all she does some hate her some love her but bottom line she does have these cases on her show..more than I can say about a lot of others...but then some want to bash her for asking hard questions that she ask both parents not just one so one decided she was pretty much caught and took herself out and now they want to blame it on NG cause she ask this mother were she had been with her missing child..PLEASE so many families would love to beg for help...she did not kill MD and some want to throw that in all the time but yet to see the good that has come from her work..


She and her show have changed over the years, IMO. I used to applaud her as a victim's advocate, but it has become more apparent to me that she is more concerned with ratings than anything else.

Are you telling me that since Caylee Anthony went missing not another child in the United States did? For the last 3 months for the majority of her show it was all Casey-Caylee-Cindy etc....

She gave a few minutes to Hayleigh, Brittanee Drexel, Sandra, Octo Mom (for what even?), and now Coleman. Haylee and Britt are still missing. Where is their advocate? Oh, giving us the latest commissary order from Casey.

I mean for Pete's sake, Sheba in Illinois gets more air time than most missing person's these days.

I don't hate Nancy and I am not bashing her, the reality is I don't suck up to her left toe and I call 'em like I see 'em.

You might want to ask Richard Jewel what a victim's advocate she is. IIRC, she has never even once apologized to that man.

[sunstar]

Joyce Myers has had her share of problems. A year or so ago, she was under investigation in regards to her donations.

I remember that. I wonder if that's where he got the idea for the "threats"?

[Kip]

i also wonder about the DVD that was found.

i've wondered if it was of CC and his GF and Sheri came across it somehow and confronted him. but i think this was all premeditated so like proudmom said, it just made it happen before he had planned to?

who knows...why would they even mention a CD if it has nothing to do with the case? i'm sure there was all kinds of stuff along that road they picked up but it was mentioned right along with the glove, wasn't it?

It's my understanding that the the DVD was from CC's surveillance system. He had a camera focused on the front yard supposedly to catch whomever was putting the threatening letters in their mailbox.

Funny thing though, the DVD recorder with the disc in it was missing.

[sunstar]

I have watched many cases on Court TV, In Session, and Nancy Grace. Not one of them has effected me like this one. I am a grown man. While watching Nancy Grace today, and seeing pictures of the boys Gavin and Garrett, and their mother Sheri, my eyes welled up, and tears started to stream down my cheeks. I am not embarrassed. It's just too sad. Mark Klass and Nancy Grace were brought to tears as well. If Christopher Coleman did this, and the prosecution has the forensics to prove it to a jury, and Coleman won't plead guilty: Even though there is a moratorium on executions in that state, I hope that he gets the death penalty, so that EVERY DAY that Christopher Coleman is in prison, he has to fear that executions will begin again. I am not usually an advocate for the death penalty. But, when I look at those pictures of Sheri Coleman and her boys Gavin and Garret, I feel that if there must be death penalty cases, this monsterous crime surely deserves that penalty...
I so agree with you about the punishment that's appropriate for these horrific murders. When I listened to the medical doctor who was on Nancy's show tonight describe the process of dying for someone being strangled with a ligature, it was heartbreaking. Especially to think that the little boys last vision on earth could've been their own father who I'm sure they loved and trusted. :flamemad: MOO

[sunstar]

It's my understanding that the the DVD was from CC's surveillance system. He had a camera focused on the front yard supposedly to catch whomever was putting the threatening letters in their mailbox.

Funny thing though, the DVD recorder with the disc in it was missing.

Ironic isn't it? And why if he perceived these threats to be so serious, didn't he have cameras on the house? Was he more afraid of someone tampering with the mail or someone harming his family? Obviously he didn't really have to worry about either. MOO

[CC I See]

Joyce Myer must have mutually agreed to dismissed this relationship/employment with her ministry as fast as she could after she heard of these murders and the affair.
Business is business...

I guess the kind of forgiveness she preaches about does not extend that far. Like you said, business is business.

[bkwits]

For any of you following the Stacy P or Lisa Stebic cases. Parts of female body were found submerged in a river. It may be the remains of one of these two missing women. It was in Channahan, IL which is about 25 miles from the Peterson house and prob even closer to the Stebic home.

IMO.

[sunstar]

I guess the kind of forgiveness she preaches about does not extend that far. Like you said, business is business.

I understood he violated a 'morality clause' in his employment. I wouldn't imagine him having an affair outed in the media would be too good for her ministry. MOO

[sunstar]

For any of you following the Stacy P or Lisa Stebic cases. Parts of female body were found submerged in a river. It may be the remains of one of these two missing women. It was in Channahan, IL which is about 25 miles from the Peterson house and prob even closer to the Stebic home.

IMO.

Thanks for the heads up. :crying:

[TexanLisa]

For any of you following the Stacy P or Lisa Stebic cases. Parts of female body were found submerged in a river. It may be the remains of one of these two missing women. It was in Channahan, IL which is about 25 miles from the Peterson house and prob even closer to the Stebic home.

IMO.

Oh dear...

Someone will soon have closure (whatever the hades that means.)

Didn't Sandra B say a long time ago that SP was in a river? I wish I could remember which one.

[sunstar]

The two little boys look just like their father, Chris Coleman. Can you imagine how cold he would have to be to strangle his sons while looking at the their faces so much like his own? The thought chills me to the bone. And the description of what it is like to die that way is horrific.

Does anyone know if the GF has made a statement? Is she a suspect?

I believe I heard Maj. Connor say tonight that the suspect has been arrested (paraphrased), so apparently LE isn't looking at the g/f as an accomplice. His comment came in response to a caller into NG's show asking if she could've been there at the house at the time of the murders.

[Tia]

For any of you following the Stacy P or Lisa Stebic cases. Parts of female body were found submerged in a river. It may be the remains of one of these two missing women. It was in Channahan, IL which is about 25 miles from the Peterson house and prob even closer to the Stebic home.

IMO.

Oh wow! Thanks bkwits!!!!

[CC I See]

Oh wow! Thanks bkwits!!!!

It might not be either one of them but someone not known to be missing yet. Both Peterson and Stebic would have been in the water too long to recognize gender.

[bkwits]

Oh dear...

Someone will soon have closure (whatever the hades that means.)

Didn't Sandra B say a long time ago that SP was in a river? I wish I could remember which one.



This body was found in the Des Plaines River.

Here's the link

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/05/channahon-des-plaines-river-body-recovery-illinois-state-police.html

[~jomomma~]

Joyce Myers has had her share of problems. A year or so ago, she was under investigation in regards to her donations.

so, there was investigation.....what were the results?

since you posted this i thought i'd google...LOL

it was in Nov. 2007. there were several organizations investigated.
i really couldn't find any news sites with reports on the outcome. i did find this though.

http://www.streamingfaith.com/community/news/news.aspx?NewsId=1591&bhcp=1

Joyce Meyer and Benny Hinn, two prominent leaders of mega-ministries who were under a Senate probe for opulent spending, have now indicated they are creating major reform in their organizations even before the Senate investigation is completed.

The two charismatic preachers were to date the only two that had fully cooperated with an investigation led by Sen. Charles Grassley, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee......

After review of the ministries' financial documents and responses Meyer and Hinn had submitted to his committee, the Iowa senator said that the two leaders had answered every question and "in the spirit of true cooperation, and had also provided information over and above what was requested."

"Joyce Meyer and Benny Hinn have engaged in open and honest dialogue with committee staff," Grassley said Monday.......

However, Hinn and Meyer appear to be using the investigation as a catalyst for open reform and financial transparency among their supporters.

"Transparency has been and will continue to be a standard of this ministry," said Joyce Meyer, who was the first to turn in documents requested by Grassley.

"We hold a deep commitment to our ministry partners and friends, and this is why we have a tradition of going above and beyond what is required by law. We are committed to the truth and to our purpose."

Grassley has expressed his support of Meyer and Hinn in their effort to "self-reform," which he says can be faster and more effective than government regulation. However, Sen. Grassley had words of caution for the other four ministries who have yet to fully cooperate with his investigation.
:shrug:

[~jomomma~]

For any of you following the Stacy P or Lisa Stebic cases. Parts of female body were found submerged in a river. It may be the remains of one of these two missing women. It was in Channahan, IL which is about 25 miles from the Peterson house and prob even closer to the Stebic home.

IMO.

oh no! :ohmy:

[sunstar]

Thanks for the info.
I saw the report on the news. He is a big guy. Really buffed up arms and I heard he was a marine. That sickens me. This is just horrible. This man had such a beautiful family. I don't understand what he could want more than that.

I don't understand either why divorce no longer seems to be an option with so many of these guys. Even though JMM may not have approved of the lifestyle he wanted he certainly could've gotten another high-paying job. I guess the alimony and child support was something he didn't want to be bothered with though and I sure hope it was all worth it tonight as he sits in jail. :mad: MOO

[TexanLisa]

It might not be either one of them but someone not known to be missing yet. Both Peterson and Stebic would have been in the water too long to recognize gender.

The link that was provided stated investigators are not commenting on gender. They are awaiting an ID.

I think the public is assuming it is female, because the reporters included statements from both the Stebic and Peterson families.

JMO

[sunstar]

They talked about a ligature many times tonight but I didn't catch if they know exactly what the murder weapon was. Did they find it? Do we know what it was? Murder by strangulation and not by the hands of the killer technically.

"Coleman, 32, faces three counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Sheri Coleman, 31, and their children, 11-year-old Garett and 9-year-old Gavin. All three were found dead in their Columbia home on May 5. Authorities have said they were strangled with some type of wire, rope or cord."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXu_5JgcE5OIJ4jzEnfnUFe8BGZgD98A95UG0

[TexanLisa]

This body was found in the Des Plaines River.

Here's the link

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/05/channahon-des-plaines-river-body-recovery-illinois-state-police.html

From Sandra's page.....

December 16, 2007

1:04pm

Today I am going to release the location for Stacy Peterson's body that I have been given by the EVP Voices. They seem to think in a rather overwhelming way that Stacy was thown into the Des Plaines River. She then washed down the Des Plaines River and is now apparently in the area of the Dresden Locks and Dam. I was told this in several different ways. The earliest mentions of Dresden came as early on as December 1, 2007. When I received the following messages.

http://www.heliumraven.com/casefile

I thought I remembered this, but it has been awhile.

[aproudmom]

If it weren't for Nancy's show I wouldn't have even heard of a lot of the cases I've followed here, including this one. :smile: MOO

You and me both if it had not been for her show I would not have heard about this..

[aproudmom]

From Sandra's page.....

December 16, 2007

1:04pm

Today I am going to release the location for Stacy Peterson's body that I have been given by the EVP Voices. They seem to think in a rather overwhelming way that Stacy was thown into the Des Plaines River. She then washed down the Des Plaines River and is now apparently in the area of the Dresden Locks and Dam. I was told this in several different ways. The earliest mentions of Dresden came as early on as December 1, 2007. When I received the following messages.

http://www.heliumraven.com/casefile

I thought I remembered this, but it has been awhile.

what? lost me on this post who is this..anyone think how odd it would be if it was her body..with his arrest of KS and the grand jury wrapping up today..I just hope this brings some sort of closure to a family even if it is not SP..

[sunstar]

Thanx for the link, sunstar...

I hope their fathers face was not the last thing those boys looked at before they took their last breath of air.:sad:
I looked at that Coleman on several clips after his arrest. I read nothing but a completely blank look.

I'm seeing the same thing as you are ~ cold, vacant eyes.

[Oregongal]

I just had to come over and express my horror and incredible sadness about the murder of this young mother and her two little boys.
For Sheri, Garrett and Gavin
:rose:
My prayers are with the family as they walk this path of grief. And will continue to be with them as they face and have to deal with all that is ahead as the alledged monster husband walks his path thru the legal system and they have to relive the horror of their loss again and again.

[sunstar]

It is extremely disturbing that he chose strangulation. I suffer from asthma and I can assure you than anyone who has experienced difficulty breathing for even a few moments will tell you that it is sheer terror. To know that he manually choked the life out of his own children makes me physically ill. And all for a girl who dances naked for dollars...:flamemad:

It is very disturbing after hearing what a person goes through while being strangled this way. It sounds like he was full of rage and hatred toward Sheri and what's even worse, his own sons who looked so much like him. :mad: MOO

[TexanLisa]

what? lost me on this post who is this..anyone think how odd it would be if it was her body..with his arrest of KS and the grand jury wrapping up today..I just hope this brings some sort of closure to a family even if it is not SP..

Back during the Scott Peterson case, a woman named Sandra Belanger came forward and used EVP to gain clues to that case. Since that time she has followed other cases as the "folks" talk to her through EVP. It's all a little strange to me, but I like to check back when things break just to see how accurate her "clues" were. When I saw that the body was found in a river, I remembered something about her post of SP being in the river.

Anywhoo......

There is another link on the breaking news thread that stated the body was a white female skeleton consisting of only a torso and legs and it was found in a tub of sorts.

[sunstar]

I highly doubt it.
I will say one thing, however. The GF would be the one that may want to contact Gloria Allred.:w00t:

I think Gloria might be a little busy right now representing Drew's g/f. :wink:

[TexanLisa]

I highly doubt it.
I will say one thing, however. The GF would be the one that may want to contact Gloria Allred.:w00t:

OMG! LOL! You hit that nail on the head.

[bkwits]

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I don't agree that you can compare Adrea Yates to Christopher Coleman. Andrea Yates' husband worked for NASA, and was hardly ever at home. She suffered from documented severe post-partum depression and delusions. Her controlling husband Rusty forced her to stay at home 24/7, and keep having babies, while she was losing her mind, and he knew it. She was diapering 3 children, and home schooling 2 others, while suffering post-partum depression and delusions. Controlling husband Rusty knew that she was losing it, and needed serious professional help at a mental hospital. Rusty just couldn't be bothered with it, nor had the desire to get some household help, which his high paying job at NASA could have easily afforded him to do. But for controlling Rusty Yates' ignoring a situation that was obviously leading to a dire ending, those children would still be alive. After the trial, Rusty quickly walked away and traded Andrea in for a newer model, whom he married and is now controlling in the same way. Rusty Yates should have been on trial for 5 counts of negligent homicide. As for Christopher Coleman, as Mark Klaas said on today's Nancy Grace Show, he fits the new profile for a killer with the "Peterson Gene," who rather than divorcing his wife, without any emotion, erases his entire family to move on to a new life which does not include them. I don't see ANY comparison between the Andrea Yates and Christopher Coleman cases...

Topher

Thank you for bringing up the salient parts of the Andrea Yates story. I agree there is no comparison between the the cases. Chris Coleman was not psychotic when he killed his family. Andrea Yates was. Poor woman.
And poor babies.


IMO

IMO.

[taylor63]

This has got to be one of the most sad and terrible murder cases I have heard of in years. It would have been horrific enough if a total stranger did this. Sometimes there are things so horrific and evil they just defy all human reason, and there are just no words, that is how I feel about this crime.

[bkwits]

I don't understand either why divorce no longer seems to be an option with so many of these guys. Even though JMM may not have approved of the lifestyle he wanted he certainly could've gotten another high-paying job. I guess the alimony and child support was something he didn't want to be bothered with though and I sure hope it was all worth it tonight as he sits in jail. :mad: MOO

He didn't want to be divorced with all those obligations and people looking down on him. All that mess.

Has anyone heard that Sheri was about to leave him? I saw a few days ago on another board.

O<P

[taylor63]

Thank you for bringing up the salient parts of the Andrea Yates story. I agree there is no comparison between the the cases. Chris Coleman was not psychotic when he killed his family. Andrea Yates was. Poor woman.
And poor babies.


IMO

IMO.

I used to sort of feel the same way about Mrs Yates,but I am not so sure anymore after reviewing the evidence in that case. I tend to think she knew what she was doing, and premeditated the murders of her children like Mr.Coleman premeditated the murder of his family, but again that is just my opinion, and a totallly different subject.

[myownopera]

This has got to be one of the most sad and terrible murder cases I have heard of in years. It would have been horrific enough if a total stranger did this. Sometimes there are things so horrific and evil they just defy all human reason, and there are just no words, that is how I feel about this crime.



If anyone ever doubted the evil in this world -- one only has to look at this case. I could not believe my eyes when I saw this father/husband get in the police car --- not one bit of emotion!!! What has our world come to?????

[taylor63]

As far as anyone knows has there been any statement at all put out by Mr.Coleman's family? Has there been any statement put out by the father's church? My heart certainly goes out to them, and Sherri's family as well. I can't even begin to imagine what a nightmare these families must be living through.

[Musterion]

I think it was more "planned" than that. This was not a spur of the moment "broke her jaw during an argument" murder. He had been planning for this day for months.....imo

Hi Nellie! Good to see you!

I think you are right. I would like to know when the letters in the mailbox came. From the time of the first letter, we might be able to discern an approximate time line of when these murders became planned.

I, also, want to know more about the girlfriend. How long the affair was going on. I believe she could have known about this plan. It might surprise me if she did not. Chris had to have known her for the duration of his marriage to beautiful Sheri. Maybe the affair was not for all of those years, probably not, but maybe this 'friend' held some sort of deep seated jealousy of Sheri. That is pure speculation.

I'd like to know about Chris' cell phone records, what was on his computer, his emails.

An element that is sometimes forgotten in these cases is what a driving force lust can be. There are studies done that are quite interesting about the hormones released during the beginning stages of lust and love. The hormones released give an invincible feeling, a euphoria that a person can be or do anything. Anyone remember those feelings when you've met someone new? If those hormones are released in a sociopath or a narcissist it can mix a lethal cocktail. It doesn't excuse what the person has done, the crime they commit. But, it might lend some miniscule explanation how a man who seemed to love his children might seem to turn off his 'love' for them in favour of a new and exciting life with an exciting, forbidden woman.

IMO, CC more than likely committed this crime and IMO no matter what hormones were raging or what psychological illness may be present, he must be held accountable for what he's done. If Sheri's family asks the prosecutor for the DP, I would stand beside that decision. I would respect whatever they thought was the best punishment for Chris Coleman.

How their hearts must be breaking tonight.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

If anyone ever doubted the evil in this world -- one only has to look at this case. I could not believe my eyes when I saw this father/husband get in the police car --- not one bit of emotion!!! What has our world come to?????

Hi myownopera (I just love that nic!)

I have a sense that the defense might say that Chris Coleman was in the military and 'taught' to show no emotion under a stressful situation or when held captive by the enemy. Or that he was in shock of having been arrested for a murder he did not commit on top of losing his wife and two children to a psychopathic stalker.

JMO.
M.

[aproudmom]

The link that was provided stated investigators are not commenting on gender. They are awaiting an ID.

I think the public is assuming it is female, because the reporters included statements from both the Stebic and Peterson families.

JMO

You could be right..cause I keep reading a women..
Woman's Body Pulled From DesPlaines RIver

[aproudmom]

As far as anyone knows has there been any statement at all put out by Mr.Coleman's family? Has there been any statement put out by the father's church? My heart certainly goes out to them, and Sherri's family as well. I can't even begin to imagine what a nightmare these families must be living through.

I have yet to hear a word from his family her brother did write a plea to be read by his cousin to give them closure and allow them to know the truth last night and as we all know a few hours later he got that wish..but have not seen them other than the cousin speaking out for them but they seem to want to leave the judgment for the day in court and just happy there has been a arrest

[aproudmom]

He didn't want to be divorced with all those obligations and people looking down on him. All that mess.

Has anyone heard that Sheri was about to leave him? I saw a few days ago on another board.

O<P

really as far as I know her family knew of no problems in the marriage..so not sure I know they were shocked to hear he was even messing about let alone with one of her friends or so called friends from school..

[aproudmom]

I think Gloria might be a little busy right now representing Drew's g/f. :wink:

yep she sure is guess she will have to look for another Gloria...

[aproudmom]

She and her show have changed over the years, IMO. I used to applaud her as a victim's advocate, but it has become more apparent to me that she is more concerned with ratings than anything else.

Are you telling me that since Caylee Anthony went missing not another child in the United States did? For the last 3 months for the majority of her show it was all Casey-Caylee-Cindy etc....

She gave a few minutes to Hayleigh, Brittanee Drexel, Sandra, Octo Mom (for what even?), and now Coleman. Haylee and Britt are still missing. Where is their advocate? Oh, giving us the latest commissary order from Casey.

I mean for Pete's sake, Sheba in Illinois gets more air time than most missing person's these days.

I don't hate Nancy and I am not bashing her, the reality is I don't suck up to her left toe and I call 'em like I see 'em.

You might want to ask Richard Jewel what a victim's advocate she is. IIRC, she has never even once apologized to that man.

like I said some love her some hate her I happen to like her show and like I said at least she does bring some of these cases to the public..ALL of them NO..we all have our opinion on her I was giving mine and that is what the ol clicker is for if you don't like someone DONT WATCH IT

[Musterion]

I have yet to hear a word from his family her brother did write a plea to be read by his cousin to give them closure and allow them to know the truth last night and as we all know a few hours later he got that wish..but have not seen them other than the cousin speaking out for them but they seem to want to leave the judgment for the day in court and just happy there has been a arrest

You're right aproudmom. And, I give Sheri's family a lot of credit and sympathy for NOT speaking publicly. They are doing it right. They are waiting for justice to have her say. It must be killing them inside, but they are an amazing example. They love Sheri and the boys and it seems they don't want the investigation or upcoming trial to be cheapened by outbursts of hate and venom on the talk show circuit.

Sheri's cousin, as spokesperson for the family, is believable and eloquent, heart wrenching and perfect in his demeanor and speech. He brought me to tears.

God bless them and give them comfort. I admire them so much.

IMO.
M.

[aproudmom]

I have watched many cases on Court TV, In Session, and Nancy Grace. Not one of them has effected me like this one. I am a grown man. While watching Nancy Grace today, and seeing pictures of the boys Gavin and Garrett, and their mother Sheri, my eyes welled up, and tears started to stream down my cheeks. I am not embarrassed. It's just too sad. Mark Klass and Nancy Grace were brought to tears as well. If Christopher Coleman did this, and the prosecution has the forensics to prove it to a jury, and Coleman won't plead guilty: Even though there is a moratorium on executions in that state, I hope that he gets the death penalty, so that EVERY DAY that Christopher Coleman is in prison, he has to fear that executions will begin again. I am not usually an advocate for the death penalty. But, when I look at those pictures of Sheri Coleman and her boys Gavin and Garret, I feel that if there must be death penalty cases, this monsterous crime surely deserves that penalty...

I have to agree it had me in tears also..alot of cases upset me but this on really hit me hard also..and glad you have a heart and can say it bothered you more than I have seen from CC..I am not so much for or against the DP but sometimes I think LWOP as long as it is LWOP then I would rather them live in there with out appeal after appeal wasting the states money people like this should be thrown in gen population and see the fear they put upon their victims...JMO of course

[Amy S.]

Il. has had it's fair share of high profile murders in the last few years. (Drew Peterson, the Wingert man in Springfield, Christopher Vaughn - the man that killed his entire family in a van in Channahon, and the Lisa Stebic mystery in Naperville.)

In many of those cases, there was a GF. In the Wingert case, the GF was the one that blew the whistle on him.

What kind of evil lurks in these men?

The Joyce Meyer ministry is quite large and she surrounds herself with family. It is possible that she doesn't know him.

[Jester]

Not every man who kills his family is considered a family annihilator.

By definition, a family annihilator is a man who kills his family. Chris Coleman is a family annihilator. I've referenced links below that describe what Chris did to his family.

"Fathers who kill their children, and frequently their wives as well, are known as "Family Annihilators" to criminal psychologists or psychiatrists, and to law enforcement."

Ref: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/266087/the_family_annihilator_fathers_who.html?singlepage =true&cat=72

"Family annihilators go to great lengths to plan their crimes; they do not kill in the heat of the moment, or in a fit of rage. "They are very methodical," says Levin. "They plan it out for a long time. They are careful to minimise the pain and suffering of the children - who most likely never knew what hit them. This is methodical, selective murder by a rational, loving father. That's why it is so terrifying."

Ref: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2002/jul/13/weekend.kevintoolis

[aproudmom]

You're right aproudmom. And, I give Sheri's family a lot of credit and sympathy for NOT speaking publicly. They are doing it right. They are waiting for justice to have her say. It must be killing them inside, but they are an amazing example. They love Sheri and the boys and it seems they don't want the investigation or upcoming trial to be cheapened by outbursts of hate and venom on the talk show circuit.

Sheri's cousin, as spokesperson for the family, is believable and eloquent, heart wrenching and perfect in his demeanor and speech. He brought me to tears.

God bless them and give them comfort. I admire them so much.

IMO.
M.

ITA he has done a wonderful job not to bash or play this out in the media even though they are hurting so very bad right now..I have yet to even hear him bash the G/F just that they were in shock it was someone Sheri went to school with..so this family seems to be very smart and doing the right thing even with the pain they are going through I know it would be real hard for me and may GOD BLESS them with some sort of JUSTICE I only wish they did not have to got through this what a horrible thing to deal with so many questions I am sure they want to know and may never know WHY..I do hope they are allowed to get her uniform they really wanted an some things of the boys..they deserve that much IMO..I am sure at this time his parents are over the home and if so I really hope they allow them to get a few of her special things they do not have her and the kids they do have him he just landed himself in the slammer they can see him unlike her family..and I am not bashing his parents at all but I am sure there was some bad feelings over the court hearing to allow her family to have a service....

[Jester]

I appreciate your interest in his childhood.....for me, I think its real simple and IMO nothing unusual stood out. psychopaths wear a mask.....sometimes, those closest to them are the ones that cannot see the forest for the trees....they become immune to 'off center' behaviour or make excuses.....

IMO, it was uneventful, he grew up, became an adult, married, fathered two children and took a stripper as a lover.

IMO, it was going to hit his wallet: alimony, support for his children and the inability to carry on his lifestyle, jetting back and forth to his lover. he was doing just fine staying married, its cheaper.

IMO, Sheri was going to divorce him. maybe even started proceedings.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

True. He had an uneventful life, then grew up to murder his entire family. His values appear to be rather screwed up. I find that unusual for a man that grew up in a Christian family, with his father running the local Church Ministries.

It's the screwed up value system that doesn't make much sense. How does the indoctrinated Christian arrive at murder as an option? Maybe he thought murder was cheaper than divorce, but most men choose divorce and don't have screwed up value systems.

[Jester]

Jester - the link lists the DSM IV description of sociopath. Are you kidding me? The DSM IV is the "bible" that psychiatrists and psychologists use to diagnose their patients.

Sorry, no, I didn't read the article. I looked at the references and passed. Thanks. I think I misunderstand borderline personality disorder, so I also wasn't sure why you were referencing the site.

[Jester]

You are quite right. I don't feel the need to examine someone's childhood and find a "reason" for their behavior as adults.

Some people just make the choice to kill to alleviate their "self-perceived" problems. Some people think they have planned the "perfect crime" and will never be caught. Some people are just downright "evil".

I don't think Mommy and Daddy can be blamed for that.

I do. I read these cases because I am interested in the sociology of the accused and their victims. I don't believe it is a random choice to kill, I believe some personality types will always alleviate their self-perceived problems through murder. I believe those borderline personality types have characteristics that can be qualified. Family annihilators are not downright evil. They methodically plan the murder to alleviate a problem in their life. The believe everyone but themselves is responsible for their problem. They feel much better after they murder.

That could very well be a result of early childhood experience, even an experience that appeared to be uneventful.

[Jester]

Good luck just google pure EVIL cause that is just what it is..not sure you will ever know his entire childhood or family dynamics can't blame all these killings on someones past..he seemed just fine to work with JMM and was a MP in the Military at one time IIRC..all you may find is he wanted someone and was looking for the sympathy of losing his whole family or perhaps he wanted his G/F an was afraid divorce would cause him to lose his job and he would be looked at in a bad way since he did come from a family that was involved in their church...maybe he was just looking out for himself and his character does not always have to be some childhood problem or mental illness..pure EVIL in some cases..He cared about NO ONE other than himself when he wrapped something around his children's necks chocked the life out of those sweet children who never ask to be brought into this world so he decided to bring them in and also take them out along with their wonderful mother..

Nothing on JVM tonight I guess

I understand that we can describe Chris Coleman as good or evil, but I'm looking for a non-faith based understanding.

[aproudmom]

how convenient a window left open when your getting threats..and so worried about your family...:sneaky:

[Jester]

Coleman and Andrea Yates are one in the same! I'm still having a hard time comprehending how a person can kill their own children. And the time it takes to kill them the way they did.

I'm not a christian, so have never heard Joyce Meyers, but a few women at the public school where I work, just love her. They have discussed her in the teachers room. I bet she is very upset also.

I bet he did not get a divorce, because he wanted money. As for his lover, I don't get how anyone could have an affair. If someone is having an affair with a married person, they are a homewrecker and just as evil.

I'm so sick about this!!!

I have nothing but disgust for the woman that Sheri thought was a friend. What did this woman want? Early reports were that she claimed they were engaged. She was engaged while she knew that Chris was married with two children? She knew Sheri's family. Did she not once think of being a friend to Sheri and telling her that her life was falling apart around her?

[aproudmom]

The Peterson genes :thumbsup:..I love what Mark Klass can come up with..he is so right..

[Jester]

Hi Nellie! Good to see you!

I think you are right. I would like to know when the letters in the mailbox came. From the time of the first letter, we might be able to discern an approximate time line of when these murders became planned.

I, also, want to know more about the girlfriend. How long the affair was going on. I believe she could have known about this plan. It might surprise me if she did not. Chris had to have known her for the duration of his marriage to beautiful Sheri. Maybe the affair was not for all of those years, probably not, but maybe this 'friend' held some sort of deep seated jealousy of Sheri. That is pure speculation.

I'd like to know about Chris' cell phone records, what was on his computer, his emails.

An element that is sometimes forgotten in these cases is what a driving force lust can be. There are studies done that are quite interesting about the hormones released during the beginning stages of lust and love. The hormones released give an invincible feeling, a euphoria that a person can be or do anything. Anyone remember those feelings when you've met someone new? If those hormones are released in a sociopath or a narcissist it can mix a lethal cocktail. It doesn't excuse what the person has done, the crime they commit. But, it might lend some miniscule explanation how a man who seemed to love his children might seem to turn off his 'love' for them in favour of a new and exciting life with an exciting, forbidden woman.

IMO, CC more than likely committed this crime and IMO no matter what hormones were raging or what psychological illness may be present, he must be held accountable for what he's done. If Sheri's family asks the prosecutor for the DP, I would stand beside that decision. I would respect whatever they thought was the best punishment for Chris Coleman.

How their hearts must be breaking tonight.

IMO.
M.

Interesting thoughts. I'm also curious about when the letters were first reported. That would define the day that Chris has solidified the plan to murder his family.

Family annihilators are usually triggered by financial problems, but sexual problems are also a factor. Sheri must have been married by the time she was 20. After 11 years of marriage, Chris probably got bored, and Sheri's friend probably was jealous of her life. The rest is history.

Emails with the girlfriend will probably complete the story.

[Jester]

how convenient a window left open when your getting threats..and so worried about your family...:sneaky:

When I first read that a screen was torn, I thought the entire window was destroyed, but the window looked perfectly fine, like it was left unlocked.

[Jester]

Actually, many family annihilators kill themselves.

Some do, but it's not part of the recognized definition of family annihilators.

[aproudmom]

I have nothing but disgust for the woman that Sheri thought was a friend. What did this woman want? Early reports were that she claimed they were engaged. She was engaged while she knew that Chris was married with two children? She knew Sheri's family. Did she not once think of being a friend to Sheri and telling her that her life was falling apart around her?

are you serious Jester had not heard that OK wait she was saying she was engaged to him or someone else? all I have heard is she slammed the phone on the media after saying there would never be a comment..perhaps she needs to go and do some praying along with CC..because she is one horrible friend and person to do that to someone you called a friend:angry:

[Jester]

are you serious Jester had not heard that OK wait she was saying she was engaged to him or someone else? all I have heard is she slammed the phone on the media after saying there would never be a comment..perhaps she needs to go and do some praying along with CC..because she is one horrible friend and person to do that to someone you called a friend:angry:

I can't pinpoint where I read it, but I think it was reliable. It was an early report that she told people around her that she was engaged to Chris.

[aproudmom]

Actually, many family annihilators kill themselves.

well several fit him perfect but he did not take out himself ..I call it pure EVIL:cursing:

They are not mentally ill, but coldly calculating, and often spend months planning their crimes. Because they often kill themselves too, these crimes don't always make the news in media-friendly trials, but in the United States, there are 10 murder-suicides each week.


The major factors leading men to kill their families include impending divorce, male sexual jealousy, an obsession with control, and possessiveness, according to Dr. Jack Levin, a criminal psychology expert from North-Eastern University in Boston. A Scottish psychiatrist, and director of Priory Hospital in Glasgow. Scotland, Dr. Alex Yellowlees, says that there are definite differences between men and women who kill or harm their children. He says that women tend to be mentally ill, frequently suffering from post-partum depression. Men, on the other hand, feel rage, jealousy, hatred, and revenge when they kill their families.

[aproudmom]

I have plenty of things to call him about right now..I know we will get a few on here saying he is innocent until proven guilty and I am aware of that but this is my opinion and only my opinion he is a baby killer and the killer of his wonderful wife who devoted her life to her children..so put your head down you coward you better pray 24/7 even though you will never be forgotten for this horrible sin of killing your wife and children when you are suppose to be the one protecting them...:cursing:


http://www.cnn.com/CRIME/

Bystanders shouted "murderer" and "baby killer" as a southwestern Illinois man was brought into court for arraignment in the slayings of his 31-year-old wife and their two boys. Christopher Coleman pleaded not guilty and is being held without bond. full story
Bystanders jeer at suspect

[aproudmom]

I can't pinpoint where I read it, but I think it was reliable. It was an early report that she told people around her that she was engaged to Chris.

no link required here Jester I have no doubt you read it how sick is that B****:thumbdown:

[Jester]

well several fit him perfect but he did not take out himself ..I call it pure EVIL:cursing:

They are not mentally ill, but coldly calculating, and often spend months planning their crimes. Because they often kill themselves too, these crimes don't always make the news in media-friendly trials, but in the United States, there are 10 murder-suicides each week.


The major factors leading men to kill their families include impending divorce, male sexual jealousy, an obsession with control, and possessiveness, according to Dr. Jack Levin, a criminal psychology expert from North-Eastern University in Boston. A Scottish psychiatrist, and director of Priory Hospital in Glasgow. Scotland, Dr. Alex Yellowlees, says that there are definite differences between men and women who kill or harm their children. He says that women tend to be mentally ill, frequently suffering from post-partum depression. Men, on the other hand, feel rage, jealousy, hatred, and revenge when they kill their families.

Don't take me wrong. I don't think that family annihilators are mentally ill, I think they have a defect. They have borderline personality disorder, also known as being a sociopath (formerly separate from psychopath). Today many people combine psychopath with sociopath, so the boundaries between "pure random evil", and calculating, ruthless, planned, deliberate, self serving acts of murder are blurred.

By definition, family annihilators do not typically kill themselves, so it doesn't happen that often. Murder suicide is a different category than a family annihilator; someone that murders his family after carefully calculating how to solve his problem: murder is their answer.

Chris probably had an obsession with control and was sexually bored.

[Jester]

no link required here Jester I have no doubt you read it how sick is that B****:thumbdown:

That's awfully low on the friendship meter, yet Sheri was duped by both her best friend and her husband, as were her children. That's pretty low.

[Jester]

I have plenty of things to call him about right now..I know we will get a few on here saying he is innocent until proven guilty and I am aware of that but this is my opinion and only my opinion he is a baby killer and the killer of his wonderful wife who devoted her life to her children..so put your head down you coward you better pray 24/7 even though you will never be forgotten for this horrible sin of killing your wife and children when you are suppose to be the one protecting them...:cursing:


http://www.cnn.com/CRIME/

Bystanders shouted "murderer" and "baby killer" as a southwestern Illinois man was brought into court for arraignment in the slayings of his 31-year-old wife and their two boys. Christopher Coleman pleaded not guilty and is being held without bond. full story
Bystanders jeer at suspect

I watched the tapes ... wasn't it compared to the murder of Laci Peterson as Scott was brought to jail?

[aproudmom]

That's awfully low on the friendship meter, yet Sheri was duped by both her best friend and her husband, as were her children. That's pretty low.

yeah ITA agree with you she sure was

[aproudmom]

I watched the tapes ... wasn't it compared to the murder of Laci Peterson as Scott was brought to jail?

I think so been awhile since then but I read he is fine in general pop because he murdered Lacie and she was only pregnant so the prisoners don't look at it as a baby killer..which kinda made me sick..IMO it is very unsafe for the officers bringing them to court and taking them back alot of people will take care of people such as him on their own I really think things should be different in the transport of these kind of crimes just for the safety of everyone around and the officers I did not even see a bullet proof vest on him most of the time they do in these horrible cases....don't get me wrong I would love to get my hands on him but it is not up to me it is up to the Judge and Jury to convict I only have my opinions..but it looked like it was pretty hectic and the officers finally had to back people off of them..

[aproudmom]

Don't take me wrong. I don't think that family annihilators are mentally ill, I think they have a defect. They have borderline personality disorder, also known as being a sociopath (formerly separate from psychopath). Today many people combine psychopath with sociopath, so the boundaries between "pure random evil", and calculating, ruthless, planned, deliberate, self serving acts of murder are blurred.

By definition, family annihilators do not typically kill themselves, so it doesn't happen that often. Murder suicide is a different category than a family annihilator; someone that murders his family after carefully calculating how to solve his problem: murder is their answer.

Chris probably had an obsession with control and was sexually bored.

oh Jester post with me for awhile and you will see I totally knew what you were saying and why you wanted to know more about it and I always love everyone's opinions and input I don't know much about sociopaths..what a lot do not understand a lot of people have a chemical imbalance that can cause problems in some people..I wont even go into it since I don't know much about him and will not pretend I do..so it is easier to go with PURE EVIL to me..:wink: and I am not taking you wrong I understand what you were saying now..that was why I said no link needed for me I knew if you read something just cause you could not remember where I am far from a nit picker I had no reason to say you did not read she could have been saying they were engaged..I am pretty easy going unless I get no sleep then watch out..:tonguewag:

[Scampi]

The Peterson genes :thumbsup:..I love what Mark Klass can come up with..he is so right..

Morning everyone. I agree with you Mom, Mark really has come up with some descriptive language - odious creature for casey anthony and now the Peterson gene effect, or as I like to call it the Peterson hat trick of scott, michael and drew peterson, all cold and calculating wife killers, imo.

[kellabeck]

I understand that we can describe Chris Coleman as good or evil, but I'm looking for a non-faith based understanding.

I think Coleman is evil and that's not faith-based as I am not a religious person. In fact, I never heard of Joyce Meyer.

To me evilness is not a religious thing. It's a human thing. Some people are EVIL.

[aproudmom]

I think Coleman is evil and that's not faith-based as I am not a religious person. In fact, I never heard of Joyce Meyer.

To me evilness is not a religious thing. It's a human thing. Some people are EVIL.

o boy kell you never saw JMM she got on my nerves so only watched her 1 time..so your not missing to much IMO

[aproudmom]

Interesting thoughts. I'm also curious about when the letters were first reported. That would define the day that Chris has solidified the plan to murder his family.

Family annihilators are usually triggered by financial problems, but sexual problems are also a factor. Sheri must have been married by the time she was 20. After 11 years of marriage, Chris probably got bored, and Sheri's friend probably was jealous of her life. The rest is history.

Emails with the girlfriend will probably complete the story.

O Jester can't blame thier bedroom privacy only on his wife who is dead..I just wonder how often he was even home since he was working for JMM..I read they actually had meetings in their home for young couples on how not to get into debt or something like that..so dont think they were about to lose everything she was going on missionary work this summer so they had to have some money to be able to do that..maybe he did not want to divorce and give up anything so that could be a motive..I am not sure we will ever know just why this happened but I do think it was in planning mode jmo

[aproudmom]

Morning everyone. I agree with you Mom, Mark really has come up with some descriptive language - odious creature for casey anthony and now the Peterson gene effect, or as I like to call it the Peterson hat trick of scott, michael and drew peterson, all cold and calculating wife killers, imo.

Hi Scampi good morning
he sure does this one I think hit him harder since Polly was killed in the same matter it was almost like he was reliving what his little girl was going through and perhaps looking into her killers eyes..I had not seen him get emotional to much MAD heck yes but think this one really bothered him do to the COD

[aproudmom]

I think Coleman is evil and that's not faith-based as I am not a religious person. In fact, I never heard of Joyce Meyer.

To me evilness is not a religious thing. It's a human thing. Some people are EVIL.

:scared:Evil is faith based OMG

[darcie]

You're right aproudmom. And, I give Sheri's family a lot of credit and sympathy for NOT speaking publicly. They are doing it right. They are waiting for justice to have her say. It must be killing them inside, but they are an amazing example. They love Sheri and the boys and it seems they don't want the investigation or upcoming trial to be cheapened by outbursts of hate and venom on the talk show circuit.

Sheri's cousin, as spokesperson for the family, is believable and eloquent, heart wrenching and perfect in his demeanor and speech. He brought me to tears.

God bless them and give them comfort. I admire them so much.

IMO.
M.

I agree whole heartedly, T-totally, absolutely, and all that other stuff with this post! They are definitely showing Sheri and the boys the utmost respect. May God bless them, and hold them close as they weather this storm.

I have to add that the family of Caylee Anthony could learn a lesson or two from these people.


Excellent post Musterion, and good morning to everyone.

[TexanLisa]

like I said some love her some hate her I happen to like her show and like I said at least she does bring some of these cases to the public..ALL of them NO..we all have our opinion on her I was giving mine and that is what the ol clicker is for if you don't like someone DONT WATCH IT


There is no reason to get your knickers in a knot. I don't have to love or hate NG as you stated, I have other emotions at my disposal.

I don't watch her anymore, but thank you for your permission. I really appreciate the openness with which you allowed me to have my opinion. Next time, I will check to make sure it is the same as yours before I post.

[Jeepers]

Hi Scampi good morning
he sure does this one I think hit him harder since Polly was killed in the same matter it was almost like he was reliving what his little girl was going through and perhaps looking into her killers eyes..I had not seen him get emotional to much MAD heck yes but think this one really bothered him do to the COD

Good morning, I thought the same when I was listening to Marc's descriptive language. I remember the trial when that Stinky Bass#@#
was so mean and vulgar in the courtroom toward Marc Klass it was not enough to murder Polly he had to insult the family as well. I hurt watching Marc.
I am not understanding CC parents at all. His father is a preacher and I cannot imagine what his congregation is thinking about his lack of leadership. Not that I put a preacher any higher or holier than another just they are in a leadership role and all eyes are upon them.
I know parents cannot controll their grown children but, I felt that the parents could have intervened in some way toward their DIL's family to show their sadness and hurt without throwing any dirt on their son.
Just sad how they reacted. moo.

[Ontario]

I don't understand either why divorce no longer seems to be an option with so many of these guys. Even though JMM may not have approved of the lifestyle he wanted he certainly could've gotten another high-paying job. I guess the alimony and child support was something he didn't want to be bothered with though and I sure hope it was all worth it tonight as he sits in jail. :mad: MOO

The other thing that I really am having a hard time understanding is why did he take her off the house deeds ( her name) as 1/2 owner back in December, that was so very dumb of him, and then think he could kill her and no-one would ever see that, that in itself is a Red Flag!

I don't think like him, and he does not think like me, that is why he is where he is! One last thing, I do hope his parents since his Dad is a Pastor convinces him to plead guilty, like the Hacking Family did with Mark, and not put the family through this, nor the tax payers, be a man and face up to your evil deeds!!

[kellabeck]

:scared:Evil is faith based OMG

To you. Not to me. Let's just agree to disagree, mom.

[aproudmom]

To you. Not to me. Let's just agree to disagree, mom.

not me never heard of it being faith based..so wont have to agree to disagree here

[aproudmom]

The other thing that I really am having a hard time understanding is why did he take her off the house deeds ( her name) as 1/2 owner back in December, that was so very dumb of him, and then think he could kill her and no-one would ever see that, that in itself is a Red Flag!

I don't think like him, and he does not think like me, that is why he is where he is! One last thing, I do hope his parents since his Dad is a Pastor convinces him to plead guilty, like the Hacking Family did with Mark, and not put the family through this, nor the tax payers, be a man and face up to your evil deeds!!

very odd isnt it wonder why she would even sign it

[Jeepers]

The other thing that I really am having a hard time understanding is why did he take her off the house deeds ( her name) as 1/2 owner back in December, that was so very dumb of him, and then think he could kill her and no-one would ever see that, that in itself is a Red Flag!

I don't think like him, and he does not think like me, that is why he is where he is! One last thing, I do hope his parents since his Dad is a Pastor convinces him to plead guilty, like the Hacking Family did with Mark, and not put the family through this, nor the tax payers, be a man and face up to your evil deeds!!

I am hoping that Sherri did know about the girlfriend and I am hoping that the girlfriend feels some responsibility for this sad story that she was a party to.
Chris taking her name off the house leads me to believe that there was problems in the house and Sherri knew what was going on.Legally she would have to agree to have it removed if her name was originally on the home. I think there was talk of splitting up. Maybe Chris added up his expenses and found there was not enough money to go around. He was hoping he could keep the house, keep his job, keep his girlfriend and most important his money so the perfect plan was formed.
I wonder what he thinks of his perfect plan now! It looked good on paper huh Chris! Guess your sitting in that cell wondering where you went wrong.
Chris will be in jail for awhile so here's to hopping he will have his errors figured out in about 30 years maybe by then the death penlaty moritorium will be lifted before then.

[aproudmom]

There is no reason to get your knickers in a knot. I don't have to love or hate NG as you stated, I have other emotions at my disposal.

I don't watch her anymore, but thank you for your permission. I really appreciate the openness with which you allowed me to have my opinion. Next time, I will check to make sure it is the same as yours before I post.

oh heck I forgot to put on my knickers let me run and get them..
and no need for my permission was just pointing out some want to bash her but she does talk about these cases I had not even heard of this until I watched it on her show that was how this all got started..:rolleyes:

[aproudmom]

I am hoping that Sherri did know about the girlfriend and I am hoping that the girlfriend feels some responsibility for this sad story that she was a party to.
Chris taking her name off the house leads me to believe that there was problems in the house and Sherri knew what was going on.Legally she would have to agree to have it removed if her name was originally on the home. I think there was talk of splitting up. Maybe Chris added up his expenses and found there was not enough money to go around. He was hoping he could keep the house, keep his job, keep his girlfriend and most important his money so the perfect plan was formed.
I wonder what he thinks of his perfect plan now! It looked good on paper huh Chris! Guess your sitting in that cell wondering where you went wrong.
Chris will be in jail for awhile so here's to hopping he will have his errors figured out in about 30 years maybe by then the death penlaty moritorium will be lifted before then.

bet he is wishing he had been alot smarter..and the whole house thing has me stumped if they were talking of a divorce I guess she never told her family they said they had no idea they thought they were very happy...

[kellabeck]

very odd isnt it wonder why she would even sign it

Perhaps she didn't. Anyone who could strangle his kids and wife wouldn't be above forgery, would he?

And if he did that, there will be evidence. And that's more premeditation. And more incrimination.

"Just because he's a forger/adulterer doesn't mean he's a killer."
:rolleyes:

[Ontario]

very odd isnt it wonder why she would even sign it

Since I do not know the laws in the States, since I am from Ontario, in order to remove someone from a deed here, you have to go to a Lawyer, and then the Lawyer files the papers with the court, so that it is done legally, but I would know if my husband did it, becuase I would be notified even if he signed my name without me knowing it, how does it work in the States?

[bkwits]

I have nothing but disgust for the woman that Sheri thought was a friend. What did this woman want? Early reports were that she claimed they were engaged. She was engaged while she knew that Chris was married with two children? She knew Sheri's family. Did she not once think of being a friend to Sheri and telling her that her life was falling apart around her?


I really don't know much about the relationship between CC and the girlfriend. Was she supposed to be engaged to CC? I have heard almost nothing about her.

I certainly don't excuse her getting romantically involved with her friend's husband, but I have a problem with spreading the blame for this horrible, cruel, evil deed. Unless I hear that she or someone else was involved, I give the credit and the blame to Chris Coleman...all of it.

IMO

[bkwits]

Since I do not know the laws in the States, since I am from Ontario, in order to remove someone from a deed here, you have to go to a Lawyer, and then the Lawyer files the papers with the court, so that it is done legally, but I would know if my husband did it, becuase I would be notified even if he signed my name without me knowing it, how does it work in the States?

I read somewhere that Sheri went before a notary and signed off on the deed. It's been a while so I don't know if I can find the link. I don't think he could merely forge her name on some paper. IMO

[Ontario]

I read somewhere that Sheri went before a notary and signed off on the deed. It's been a while so I don't know if I can find the link. I don't think he could merely forge her name on some paper. IMO

It is Ok you do not need to look for the link, I believe you, but I just wonder why she signed off, I do believe that there is alot that we the public do not know as well as her family, but usually when there are problems women keep it to themselves, as her (Shari's) family thought that everything was fine with the couple, in fact the entire town, but as we know we have come across so many cases when only after the fact we find out, that was not the case, that is why we say " One never knows what goes on behind closed doors"!

[kellabeck]

I read somewhere that Sheri went before a notary and signed off on the deed. It's been a while so I don't know if I can find the link. I don't think he could merely forge her name on some paper. IMO

Do you recall the Kimes, mother and son? Sante and Kenny forged a transfer of Irene Silverman's townhouse to them and then Sante posed as Mrs. Silverman before the notary they brought to the house.

This fraudulent doc was in Sante's bag which the police fortunately recovered. She had other documents belonging to Irene as well. And that's how LE initially connected this pair to the vanished woman.

My point is, that it could be done. I am trying to imagine a scenario CC might have presented to Sheri to get her to do it willingly and I can't think of one.

[Kip]

[snipped]

My point is, that it could be done. I am trying to imagine a scenario CC might have presented to Sheri to get her to do it willingly and I can't think of one.

If CC took care of all the financial details, he could have just told Sheri that it was better for some made-up legal or financial reason. And there are situations where for refinancing purposes it's better to have the home in only the name of the person with the higher credit rating.

On the other hand, it is possible that a forged notarized statement was presented. I know - because it happened to us. A person we didn't even know had a signed, notarized statement putting my husband down as a cosigner on their mortgage.

[ruth66]

Do you recall the Kimes, mother and son? Sante and Kenny forged a transfer of Irene Silverman's townhouse to them and then Sante posed as Mrs. Silverman before the notary they brought to the house.

This fraudulent doc was in Sante's bag which the police fortunately recovered. She had other documents belonging to Irene as well. And that's how LE initially connected this pair to the vanished woman.

My point is, that it could be done. I am trying to imagine a scenario CC might have presented to Sheri to get her to do it willingly and I can't think of one.


This is just a thought: Could it be that Sherri was considering divorcing CC and she signed the home over to him because she was moving out and couldn't afford the home on her own? Perhaps she was taking the necessary steps to handling this in an orderly fashion as not to impose an excess of legal fees over fighting over marital assets. She may not have told her family about the problems in their marriage because she did not want to worry them until she was sure the divorce was going through. If memory serves me her parents are ill and not able to travel so maybe she didn't want to worry them. Actually, if Sheri was in fear of CC she may not want to live in a home that he would have access to and given the fact that he worked security she may have feared what he would be able to achieve with regard to accessing the home. JMO

[trich]

I think Coleman is evil To me evilness is not a religious thing. It's a human thing. Some people are EVIL.

Snipped:

I agree some people are just EVIL.

Way too many . IMO

[airportwoman]

I think Coleman is evil and that's not faith-based as I am not a religious person. In fact, I never heard of Joyce Meyer.

To me evilness is not a religious thing. It's a human thing. Some people are EVIL.

This guy reminds me of John List, who also killed his family (and died himself recently) and Dennis Rader - hiding behind the church and pretending to be respectable family men.

If List committed any other crimes, I'm not aware of them, but it turns out Rader did a lot of other stuff that didn't come out until he was arrested - and a lot of it involved stealing from his church. This wasn't publicized much but Nola Foulston talked about it during his sentencing.

[sydney]

I understood he violated a 'morality clause' in his employment. I wouldn't imagine him having an affair outed in the media would be too good for her ministry. MOO

hi guys! just curious - does anyone know how his employer stands on divorce?

thanks.

[trich]

If CC took care of all the financial details, he could have just told Sheri that it was better for some made-up legal or financial reason. And there are situations where for refinancing purposes it's better to have the home in only the name of the person with the higher credit rating.

On the other hand, it is possible that a forged notarized statement was presented. I know - because it happened to us. A person we didn't even know had a signed, notarized statement putting my husband down as a cosigner on their mortgage.

A notary is supposed to see a photo ID of the person signing an
instrument before notarizing .
It is against all the rules to notarize anything without proof of id of person or persons signing.

[taylor63]

Good morning, I thought the same when I was listening to Marc's descriptive language. I remember the trial when that Stinky Bass#@#
was so mean and vulgar in the courtroom toward Marc Klass it was not enough to murder Polly he had to insult the family as well. I hurt watching Marc.
I am not understanding CC parents at all. His father is a preacher and I cannot imagine what his congregation is thinking about his lack of leadership. Not that I put a preacher any higher or holier than another just they are in a leadership role and all eyes are upon them.
I know parents cannot controll their grown children but, I felt that the parents could have intervened in some way toward their DIL's family to show their sadness and hurt without throwing any dirt on their son.
Just sad how they reacted. moo.

I totally agree if this case isn't tragic,cruel, and heartbreaking enough as is. You would think the father in law and grandfather being a preacher would at least reach out in love and compassion to Sherri's family. I am really shocked at what Sherri's cousin said on Nancy Grace the other night. Apparently,not one person from the Coleman family has called or asked Sherri's mom or dad if they wanted any of her personal possessions, or even expressed any sympathy to Sherri's family .

[taylor63]

I really don't know much about the relationship between CC and the girlfriend. Was she supposed to be engaged to CC? I have heard almost nothing about her.

I certainly don't excuse her getting romantically involved with her friend's husband, but I have a problem with spreading the blame for this horrible, cruel, evil deed. Unless I hear that she or someone else was involved, I give the credit and the blame to Chris Coleman...all of it.

IMO

I agree while what she[the girlfriend] did was totally despicable,but to blame her for the murders of Sherri and the boys is just wrong. I imagine if this woman has any kind of a conscience at all what she did will haunt her the rest of her life.

[Ice Cycle]

I agree while what she[the girlfriend] did was totally despicable,but to blame her for the murders of Sherri and the boys is just wrong. I imagine if this woman has any kind of a conscience at all what she did will haunt her the rest of her life.

Catching up for the day, been thinking and this is JMO but do not think the g/f as anything to do with his motive-at least not directly.
But wonder if possibly Sherri found out about the affair and threatened to go to the Ministry if things didn't change, since it was said he used their out of state house. He just doesn't remind me of the type that would do this for a g/f, believe this is money and control motivated in some way.

[Kip]

A notary is supposed to see a photo ID of the person signing an
instrument before notarizing .
It is against all the rules to notarize anything without proof of id of person or persons signing.

Yep. In our case, I at first suspected the notary of committing fraud - it was the same notary who had notarized our mortgage documents. But I think what happened was that employee of the bank with whom we had our mortgage used our documents with them to get a copy of my husband's signature and to copy the notary's stamp. In most states now, notaries have a flat stamp - they're no longer embossed - and are very easy to counterfeit.

[kelloggirl]

I totally agree if this case isn't tragic,cruel, and heartbreaking enough as is. You would think the father in law and grandfather being a preacher would at least reach out in love and compassion to Sherri's family. I am really shocked at what Sherri's cousin said on Nancy Grace the other night. Apparently,not one person from the Coleman family has called or asked Sherri's mom or dad if they wanted any of her personal possessions, or even expressed any sympathy to Sherri's family .

I just can't get past this level of coldness. Sherri's parents had nothing to do with their son being incarcerated, if that's their issue. Did they forget it's not just their son's wife but their own flesh and blood grandchildren? What is wrong with them?

[bkwits]

This guy reminds me of John List, who also killed his family (and died himself recently) and Dennis Rader - hiding behind the church and pretending to be respectable family men.

If List committed any other crimes, I'm not aware of them, but it turns out Rader did a lot of other stuff that didn't come out until he was arrested - and a lot of it involved stealing from his church. This wasn't publicized much but Nola Foulston talked about it during his sentencing.


John List, I was trying to think of his name. Isn't he the one from the East Coast who killed his mother,wife and kids and took off for Wash, or Ore and assumed another identity?
IIRC he was very active in the Lutheran church. I am not meaning to defame any church. All denominations have their crazies.

IMO

[ksk1]

Marc Klass said it best on Nancy Grace:

"he suffers from the Peterson Gene... Michael Peterson, Scott Peterson, and Drew Peterson"

[bkwits]

I just can't get past this level of coldness. Sherri's parents had nothing to do with their son being incarcerated, if that's their issue. Did they forget it's not just their son's wife but their own flesh and blood grandchildren? What is wrong with them?


Maybe they are in shock. I know I would be if I were his parent.

IMO

[Tracian]

I just can't get past this level of coldness. Sherri's parents had nothing to do with their son being incarcerated, if that's their issue. Did they forget it's not just their son's wife but their own flesh and blood grandchildren? What is wrong with them?


ITA. There attitude started even before their son was arrested, reminds me of Scott's parents, trying to clean out the house of Laci and Connor's belongings.

[bkwits]

ITA. There attitude started even before their son was arrested, reminds me of Scott's parents, trying to clean out the house of Laci and Connor's belongings.


Didn't Scott Peterson's parents wind up almost penniless after paying for Scott's defense?

[bkwits]

Yep. In our case, I at first suspected the notary of committing fraud - it was the same notary who had notarized our mortgage documents. But I think what happened was that employee of the bank with whom we had our mortgage used our documents with them to get a copy of my husband's signature and to copy the notary's stamp. In most states now, notaries have a flat stamp - they're no longer embossed - and are very easy to counterfeit.

But how does it profit CC to do this if he was planning on killing her? The living spouse aurtomatically gets the house if the other dies. Their is a special joint tenancy for married couples. Maybe he is not all that bright.

IMO.

[Peaches]

But how does it profit CC to do this if he was planning on killing her? The living spouse aurtomatically gets the house if the other dies. Their is a special joint tenancy for married couples. Maybe he is not all that bright.

IMO.

The living spouse does not get the house in my state if there are children. The children are given a portion of it unless there is a will.

[Peaches]

I think so been awhile since then but I read he is fine in general pop because he murdered Lacie and she was only pregnant so the prisoners don't look at it as a baby killer..which kinda made me sick..IMO it is very unsafe for the officers bringing them to court and taking them back alot of people will take care of people such as him on their own I really think things should be different in the transport of these kind of crimes just for the safety of everyone around and the officers I did not even see a bullet proof vest on him most of the time they do in these horrible cases....don't get me wrong I would love to get my hands on him but it is not up to me it is up to the Judge and Jury to convict I only have my opinions..but it looked like it was pretty hectic and the officers finally had to back people off of them..


This is beyond real! How can any one kill their own child?

Also, I heard that it was a terrible death and that his sons and wife probably looked into his eyes when he killed them.

He is one cruel man.

jmoo

[Peaches]

I think Coleman is evil and that's not faith-based as I am not a religious person. In fact, I never heard of Joyce Meyer.

To me evilness is not a religious thing. It's a human thing. Some people are EVIL.


ITA.............only I am religious and I still think he is EVIL. moo

[Peaches]

He didn't want to be divorced with all those obligations and people looking down on him. All that mess.

Has anyone heard that Sheri was about to leave him? I saw a few days ago on another board.

O<P


On Nancy Grace last night, I heard a spokeman for Sheri's parents saying that they did not know the couple had problems.

The family had given NG pictures of the boys.............they were so cute.

This is truly a very sad case. moo

[kellabeck]

John List, I was trying to think of his name. Isn't he the one from the East Coast who killed his mother,wife and kids and took off for Wash, or Ore and assumed another identity?
IIRC he was very active in the Lutheran church. I am not meaning to defame any church. All denominations have their crazies.

IMO

Yes. John List methodically shot his wife, 3 children and his mother and left them in the ballroom of the house, operatic music playing. A month later, the bodies were discovered, giving list a long head start. In his wake: letters confessing to his pastor. List lived quietly and even remarried and remained undiscovered until AMW had created a bust depicting how he would look all those many years later. He was caught, tried and convicted. He was a "devout" Lutheran who claimed he was sending his family to heaven.

And btw, he was very effectively played by ROBERT BLAKE in a tv movie!!

[kellabeck]

Didn't Scott Peterson's parents wind up almost penniless after paying for Scott's defense?

One can hope.

[bkwits]

The living spouse does not get the house in my state if there are children. The children are given a portion of it unless there is a will.

I am surprised by that. But not true in Illinois. My husband passed away 3-1/2 years ago, so I've had experience with this. My attorney said I didn't even need to file the will because all of our assets were joint or I was sole beneficiary. The cars were in my name. I had him file the will anyway because there were some family issues.

[kelloggirl]

Some Links:

Famed pathologist was brought in to review evidence in Coleman murders (http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/777982.html)

Sheri Coleman's family plans wrongful death lawsuit (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/B49D90FBACDDDD47862575BD006263C8?OpenDocument)

Coleman neighbors react to his arrest (http://www.bnd.com/news/local/story/777042.html)

Also posted in the links thread. Famed pathologist is Dr. Baden, who examined evidence for the state.