Wednesday May 20th

[calamitygirl]

That has to be the lamest excuse of all for Ronald.

Well thank you. Next time trying reading the post before. You might understand.

[titanfan217]

lol, i'm not up at 4 am:laugh:

Me neither, though it was close this morning.

OT I keep forgetting how much space a 5 year old can take on a queens size bed, but then land on the floor.

We are still working on -- there's your bed & your room.

[titanfan217]

I have not seen any statement by the AC man confirming that he saw Haleigh.

Why was it not mentioned during the first few days that GGS had stopped by that evening? IIRC, it was about two weeks before it was mentioned and TN is the one that stated her mother, GGS, went by and dropped off clothes.

I do not believe GGS was ever there that night. That is part of the cover up.

MOO


Why didn't they mention that RC stopped for milk etc (smokes) on the way home? I didn't know that was illegal.

[titanfan217]

I may have to get back with you about that. Gotta think awhile on it.

I won't hold my breath. OK?

[panache]

I have not seen any statement by the AC man confirming that he saw Haleigh.

Why was it not mentioned during the first few days that GGS had stopped by that evening? IIRC, it was about two weeks before it was mentioned and TN is the one that stated her mother, GGS, went by and dropped off clothes.

I do not believe GGS was ever there that night. That is part of the cover up.

MOO

I'm in the middle of watching AI and the songs are my coming of age songs. so I am somewhat distracted. However, what does GM Sykes being there really accomplish? It still leaves an open ended evening after 8pm.

[Mimi428]

I have never said that DCF was not involved. This all started with me asking for a link when another poster said LE had been called to Ron's home numerous time.

Seems when you ask for a link that doesn't make Ron look bad the subject gets side tracked.

JMO

Welcome to the real world, where as soon as any discussion is begun about the house & household & people that Haleigh lived in & with, the opposing side flings themselves into overdrive trying to change the subject or the direction of the discussion.

Bottom line is & has been, Haleigh disappeared from the house where Ron & Misty lived, & neither of them have been cleared publicly by LE. That is significant.

In an investigation into a child disappearing from her home, it is irrelevant how many people in the outside world have not been cleared. What is relevant is whether the people who lived in the house can be cleared.

JMO

[Mimi428]

I won't hold my breath. OK?

Good thinking!

[Mel]

I'm in the middle of watching AI and the songs are my coming of age songs. so I am somewhat distracted. However, what does GM Sykes being there really accomplish? It still leaves an open ended evening after 8pm.

well...if GMS actually saw Haleigh betw 7 & 8 pm, it would show she was alive .... i think Haleigh was 'gone' before 8 pm, though...

jmo

eta...i just don't think anyone saw Haleigh, once she got home from school..

[calamitygirl]

There are no excuses. Ron needs to man up and take responsibility for his actions. He cannot continue to feel sorry for himself, pat himself on the back and blame other people when things do not go his way.

MO

Your right. Some people do need to do that.

[JackiBlu]

Welcome to the real world, where as soon as any discussion is begun about the house & household & people that Haleigh lived in & with, the opposing side flings themselves into overdrive trying to change the subject or the direction of the discussion.

Bottom line is & has been, Haleigh disappeared from the house where Ron & Misty lived, & neither of them have been cleared publicly by LE. That is significant.

In an investigation into a child disappearing from her home, it is irrelevant how many people in the outside world have not been cleared. What is relevant is whether the people who lived in the house can be cleared.

JMO

How does your post have anything to do with what I posted. I don't recall saying a thing about who has not been cleared and why. If you want to preach about Ron and Misty not being cleared don't attach it to one of my posts that said nothing of the sort. I think I can figure out what is relevant and what's not.


JMO

[Mimi428]

You nailed down what Ron's family have done all of his life. Excuses for Ron. Nothing is his fault. He is arrested for drugs and its LE's fault. He smacks his kids around and its Crystal's fault. He sneaks off to spend donation money for tatts and its the media's fault because he "can't do what he wants to do without a camera in his face". He doesn't search for his child and TN makes an excuse that no one came to get him so it their fault. The next time he doesn't search for his child, it is because TES is gone and there are no more toys to ride on.

The excuses go on and on.

MOO

That scenario is so common that I really hate to think about how many times I have seen/heard it over the years. A person who is prone to bad behavior is oftentimes smart enough to be sure & pick someone who has enough problems of their own. That way, the flawed person provides a wealth of excuses that can be pointed to as the reason it is/was just NOT the fault of the person who committed the bad acts.

Pick someone who is lazy, someone who does drugs, someone who is less than a paragon of virtue & voilà, you got it made in the shade. Especially if that person is the sort who admits their own faults. Any faults they admit to can be used as further proof of how worthless they really are & how they just should not be believed about anything. Just deny, deny, deny in public & point to the other one's flaws. And get your champions, your family to create dodges for you at the same time.

JMO

[titanfan217]

I'm in the middle of watching AI and the songs are my coming of age songs. so I am somewhat distracted. However, what does GM Sykes being there really accomplish? It still leaves an open ended evening after 8pm.


Didn't you know that proved that MC was there all evening?:huh:

Also it may have put RC at work before anything could have happened?


Enjoy your show.

[panache]

Didn't you know that proved that MC was there all evening?:huh:

Also it may have put RC at work before anything could have happened?


Enjoy your show.

It'll take more than Gram Sykes to prove Misty was there all evening. They must have thought that one up in a hurry. Had it been said that night LE could have checked for freshly laundered clothes as I doubt Misty would have had time or thought to put them away.

OT...big upset on AI.

[titanfan217]

I am way behind so this has probably already been commented on, however, Crystal does not live in Georgia. She lives in Glen St Mary Florida...not far from the Georgia line, but Florida nonetheless....on this same subject, why did it take her several hours to arrive in Satsuma after Haleigh disappeared? It is only a couple hours from where she lives so why the delay?
Back to catching up....


I believe as least the delay has been at least partly explained, perhaps a combination of things.

There was at least one report that she was on her way from Georgia -- probably nothing but it was reported.

[panache]

I am way behind so this has probably already been commented on, however, Crystal does not live in Georgia. She lives in Glen St Mary Florida...not far from the Georgia line, but Florida nonetheless....on this same subject, why did it take her several hours to arrive in Satsuma after Haleigh disappeared? It is only a couple hours from where she lives so why the delay?
Back to catching up....

What was the exact time Crystal arrived in Patalak?

[titanfan217]

It'll take more than Gram Sykes to prove Misty was there all evening. They must have thought that one up in a hurry. Had it been said that night LE could have checked for freshly laundered clothes as I doubt Misty would have had time or thought to put them away.

OT...big upset on AI.


That part was how I got hooked on this case. When it first came out that MC may not have been there all night, TN was on NG, and NG asked her about it. She said MC was there 'cause a family member had stopped by to check on the kids ... no name, no time. Just that. Talk about red flags to a former auditor!

It was at least a couple of weeks before I found out any more... I kept wanting to call NG but was never able to do. I did call the tip line and left a message.

[panache]

New from Simon!

What the heck is he trying to say here? Family jewels!

http://www.bloggernews.net/120963

[panache]

That part was how I got hooked on this case. When it first came out that MC may not have been there all night, TN was on NG, and NG asked her about it. She said MC was there 'cause a family member had stopped by to check on the kids ... no name, no time. Just that. Talk about red flags to a former auditor!

It was at least a couple of weeks before I found out any more... I kept wanting to call NG but was never able to do. I did call the tip line and left a message.

Aha, Former auditor. That explain your attention to details. Its been a great day and evening for discussion here. I've enjoyed everyone thoughts and input.

[titanfan217]

http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x1083516829/Son-mother-charged-after-body-buried-in-yard

OT Just found on our local newspaper site.

And for the record, we're not ALL crazy in Illinois.

[panache]

http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/abuse/definitions.shtml

As described in Chapters 39 and 415, Florida Statutes, the Florida Department of Children & Families is charged with providing comprehensive protective services for children who are abused, neglected or at threat of harm and vulnerable adults who are abuse, neglected or exploited in the state by requiring that reports of abuse, neglect, threatened harm, or exploitation be made to the Florida Abuse Hotline. In taking action to prevent further harm to the child, any other children living in the home, or a vulnerable adult the Department of Children & Families must preserve the family life of the parents, children, and vulnerable adults to the maximum extent possible. Law enforcement is to take the lead in all criminal investigations and prosecution.
...................................


Can you please tell me how you come up with "If DCYF was notified by whatever method and they did not notify LE, well, they failed according to this information."??? If DCF is called and they make a visit to check out a complaint, they do NOT cal LE unless a criminal Investigation is needed. Now I know why half of your post are unfounded. Sorry about your comprehension problem, but it is getting very tiresome having to go back and correct your and other posters mistakes...

Hey now. Maybe its your comprehension. If there were signs of abuse in any case, DCYF according to this statue must notify LE for a criminal investigation. Isn't that what it says?

moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Checking in (disappointed a bit over American idol) but nonetheless, need tp see if anything new happened today?

[titanfan217]

Did RC have a truck the night Haleigh went missing?

If so, is it the same one he has now?

If not, how did he get to/from work that night?

Did LE take the car and any truck to check out? If not, why not?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Did RC have a truck the night Haleigh went missing?

If so, is it the same one he has now?

If not, how did he get to/from work that night?

Did LE take the car and any truck to check out? If not, why not?

I thought they had a purple car?

Not sure if that was taken for evidence?

Just the van

[panache]

LE had to check out the rumors from people who made accusations of Misty was not home when Haleigh disappeared, you can bet your last penny, if Misty had been out of that home the night she went missing, SOMEONE would have verified it by now, after all, all of the key players have been in jail at least one time since Haleigh disappeared. By now LE knows, Misty was home with the children.... MOO

How is it you know the *key people* were put in jail were the only source of Misty not being home? Neither Nay Nay nor Amber have ever to my knowledge have said they have any idea where or what Misty was doing on that night.

moo

[titanfan217]

I thought they had a purple car?

Not sure if that was taken for evidence?

Just the van


If he didn't have a truck then, how did he get to work? There is a video somewhere that a neighbor believes the car was there all night.

[TaraCrazyHair]

LE had to check out the rumors from people who made accusations of Misty was not home when Haleigh disappeared, you can bet your last penny, if Misty had been out of that home the night she went missing, SOMEONE would have verified it by now, after all, all of the key players have been in jail at least one time since Haleigh disappeared. By now LE knows, Misty was home with the children.... MOO

Maybe the people she was with were too high to absolutely confirm which night?

I imagine for some of the them, the days and weeks run together

[TaraCrazyHair]

If he didn't have a truck then, how did he get to work? There is a video somewhere that a neighbor believes the car was there all night.

Good question?

Why would he pick her up from school in the car then drive the truck to work?

[TaraCrazyHair]

According to neighbors, Misty picked up Haleigh at the bus stop that day.

jmo

I am not sure who exactly picked her up was confirmed was it?

Ron said he did, Theresa said he did, Misty said he did but everyone seems to have Misty pick her up

[TaraCrazyHair]

Maybe it is just one big rumor and CW has posted, rumors are unacceptable.

It was a rumor enough that the major media reported it and Misty stated "I passed my LDT so that means I was home"

[panache]

You did NOT say IF there were signs of abuse you stated ""If DCYF was notified by whatever method and they did not notify LE, well, they failed according to this information." BIG difference. You know you were deliberately misleading posters because you did not think anyone would bother to read your link.IMO
Why, Why, if things are so terrible that you and other have to embellish or out right misstate something. Why don't you just say it as stated? OH, I know, then Ron would NOT look like the big bad Wolf.

I spend a lot of time searching for links bam bam, and I hope people do take the time to read them. If there was any signs of abuse any of the times DCYF was called to the Cummings, according to the link I graciously searched for, LE should have been notified.

moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Ron stated he picked her up from the bus stop and it has not been proved different. Just more rumors. Bet LE knows the truth...

Didn't LE state they have had problems getting a straight story from all of them?

The bus story could be another of those inconsistencies

But for the life of me, I cannot understand why they would lie about something so irrelevant ... unless there is something relevant to it

[panache]

You are correct, but there are rumors all over the boards here that suggest they knew she was not at home. Now, be honest, where do you think those rumors started? My thinking is from posters on the internet calling in their opinion as TIPS.... Three months and not proven, I think people can give that rumor a rest. I hope LE has and suspect they know they spent a lot of time investigating that rumor that could have went toward investigating other leads and tips....MOO



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Then this post of yours is just a rumor. You have no idea what LE know about where Misty was that night.
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LE had to check out the rumors from people who made accusations of Misty was not home when Haleigh disappeared, you can bet your last penny, if Misty had been out of that home the night she went missing, SOMEONE would have verified it by now, after all, all of the key players have been in jail at least one time since Haleigh disappeared. By now LE knows, Misty was home with the children.... MOO**

[TaraCrazyHair]

Not confirmed by le, but Art Harris has talked with 3 neighbors who verify it was Misty who picked up Haleigh. Sooo, I guess until le decides to firm that up, it must be rumor since it was Art Harris who put it out there.

jmo

Well, so far Art has been right more times than he has been wrong ... but time will tell in the end what his track record is

I, for one, am glad at least somebody is keeping the case open

[TaraCrazyHair]

New from Simon!

What the heck is he trying to say here? Family jewels!

http://www.bloggernews.net/120963

Hmmmm .. so who is sleeping with whom?

There are some interesting connections between the Haleigh Bug deal and a lawyer. Again I am not ready for prime time.

[panache]

Hmmmm .. so who is sleeping with whom?

There are some interesting connections between the Haleigh Bug deal and a lawyer. Again I am not ready for prime time.

LOL, Neither am I. Did you see that Cobra added a comment? I tell ya this case is growing legs and knows no bounds. Its all over the place and then some. No wonder it keeps me on the keyboard. Its a never ending movie without an admission price. And I thought the Casey case was something.

moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

You know Tara, that is why rumors only hurt a case like this. Someone posts a thought, idea or something that someone post and it grows legs and is then taken as a fact. That is what I believe happened in this case and LE of course has to check it out. That is precious time wasted that could be used to investigate facts that just may lead to Haleigh. That is what makes me so mad.
I WANT HALEIGH FOUND.......

I am sure that as LE learned more about Misty, it was a rumor that had to be checked out

Wouldn't you agree?

[panache]

If LE has NOT confirmed the rumor by now, it is just that a RUMOR.

bam bam

Please, LE hasn't confirmed anything except the ac man has been checked out. The rest of this case is all rumor.

moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

LOL, Neither am I. Did you see that Cobra added a comment? I tell ya this case is growing legs and knows no bounds. Its all over the place and then some. No wonder it keeps me on the keyboard. Its a never ending movie without an admission price. And I thought the Casey case was something.

moo


This beats the Anthony case by a mile .. but not enough for the media

Some have said that is the difference between the classes and I suppose I have to agree

A lawyer and the Haleighbug deal ... sure has my head spinning exactly who they are referring to

[TaraCrazyHair]

bam bam

Please, LE hasn't confirmed anything except the ac man has been checked out. The rest of this case is all rumor.

moo

You are so correct ... when LE keeps this quiet, all there is is what was said, who said it, who lied, who was less than honest, ... pure speculation based on the inconsistencies they placed out there themselves which becomes fair game for discussion

[TaraCrazyHair]

Absolutely, but when you have other actors come on the scene and make it all about drugs and use Ron and Misty as their headlines it takes the case away from Haleigh. I sometimes feel like she is not in this case any longer. It is all about Mr. Bounty Hunter, AH, TJ hart and other bloggers trying to use this child to advance their careers. That is unacceptable to me.
HALEIGH IS MISSING, to heck with WBG, Amber, nay nay and who the fathers of these children are. That can all come later.
Haleigh you are loved..........

The drug world can be a huge clue to a missing child

Some of it seems unrelated to Haleigh being missing in a sense but plays a huge part in the lifestyle of the players involved when they are all intermingled

Seven Degrees Of Separation comes to mind

[?noanswer]

This beats the Anthony case by a mile .. but not enough for the media

Some have said that is the difference between the classes and I suppose I have to agree

A lawyer and the Haleighbug deal ... sure has my head spinning exactly who they are referring to

I wonder if the beginning of this segment was when Cobra told the story about the $800. Then Cobra said something about KP getting an atty. and would not elaborate. (She is getting one to help with the non-profit set up, but Cobra likes the drama). On the last blogger broadcast, it seemed to me that Cobra was kinda short with AH and he was laughing at TJH (TJH said they were investigating something and would be posting about it). I don't think Cobra wants to share the spotlight. Seems like when he gets all he can from someone, he throws them away with the bathwater. JMO

[teresa]

bam bam

Please, LE hasn't confirmed anything except the ac man has been checked out. The rest of this case is all rumor.

moo

LE did say a few weeks ago that they have been told that but not one person has come to them personally to say that. I believe the interview was with Sheriff Hardy.

I agree with you that this case has passed CA's. It's ridiculous to see grown men play little mind games giving clues out over the internet. They should be so ashamed!

[teresa]

I apologize for being a little off topic, but I have a question.

I was thinking it was TJHart..is that correct? Anyway, I thought there was suppose to be some reporting about this case today. I thought it would be some news about the Haleigh case.

Can someone let me know if the report came out and if so where I can find a link?..TIA

apple, I didn't see any new news today. Just some grown men playing games on the internet.

[teresa]

Thanks, I was thinking I read somewhere that some news about Haleigh was going to come out today, but maybe I was wrong.

I am sorry, I do not understand about the grown men playing games on the internet. Do you mind to explain that to me?...or are you talking about AH, TJ Hart, & Cobra?

I think you heard right about news from TJ but I didn't see him have it yet.

The grown men thing is that blogger news site. Cobra seems to be on the outs with Kim and Art so he has moved over to that site and leaving weird comments insinuating Kim is in it for money, etc. Whether he is right or wrong, it's just really childish the way they are leaving little clues.

I'm leaving you the link. I haven't been here today so someone let me know if CW doesn't want us linking there. Apple, there are two different posts on that site today concerning what you asked.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120963

[Mimi428]

Hmmmm .. so who is sleeping with whom?

There are some interesting connections between the Haleigh Bug deal and a lawyer. Again I am not ready for prime time.

What the heck does that mean, I wonder? What "deal" is the "deal" in the Haleighbug "deal"?

Good grief, I am sounding as inane as the bloggers on that website.

JMO

[teresa]

Thank you and I will take a look - how odd and you are right childish.

It's very sad apple. They need to remember the pretty little girl and forget all their Jerry Springer feuds.

[Murtle]

FWIW, The hints on Simon's site are childish. I came up with this,

McDonalds mascot is Ronald.
Pharm is "pharmacy/presciption drugs"
Can't figure out Phat other than maybe money.

Bio fuel, KP's husband has a company
Someone was hiding the "jewels/sex" maybe at the motel???

Or it's just hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle. Just a tale...& so schoolboy.

[cat3]

FWIW, The hints on Simon's site are childish. I came up with this,

McDonalds mascot is Ronald.
Pharm is "pharmacy/presciption drugs"
Can't figure out Phat other than maybe money.

Bio fuel, KP's husband has a company
Someone was hiding the "jewels/sex" maybe at the motel???

Or it's just hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle. Just a tale...& so schoolboy.

You did way better than I did with guessing what the heck they were talking about.lol.The only one I figured out was the hotel.The last show Simon did you could tell that Cobra was highly upset about something that was going on.I suppose it will all come out eventually.None of it sounds as though it has anything to do with Haleigh though.IMO

[Murtle]

You did way better than I did with guessing what the heck they were talking about.lol.The only one I figured out was the hotel.The last show Simon did you could tell that Cobra was highly upset about something that was going on.I suppose it will all come out eventually.None of it sounds as though it has anything to do with Haleigh though.IMO

You are right, it's not helping to find Haleigh. I am not too excited with the reporting that's going on but if it gets some attention for Haleigh, I quess, you have to tolerate it. Their criptic messages bother me. That's not just Cobra or Simon, it's the whole group reporting. Thanks.

[aproudmom]

I tend to agree with you Pan. Those of us following the casey anthony case realized right away there was something very wrong when she began lying to LE.

In the cummings case, we see the exact same thing wrong, misty lying about the timeline and ronald backing her up to the extent of marrying her.

Very disturbing. imo.

Amen glad to see I am not alone in my opinion of misty

[aproudmom]

This beats the Anthony case by a mile .. but not enough for the media

Some have said that is the difference between the classes and I suppose I have to agree

A lawyer and the Haleighbug deal ... sure has my head spinning exactly who they are referring to

well the Anthony's seemed to have brought out some news by showing up at the vigil..seems no one wants them around...you think they would get the hint

and in Haleigh's case everyone has to remember since no one has been charged there is no releasing of evidence due to the Sunshine law like in the Casey Anthony case that is why it gets so much attention everything is out there for all to see and read...so everyone has to go with rumors and lies and it is very said for this child..someone knows something and they need to talk and try to bring this child home...

[carlybarly]

I just read through those comments on Simon's page. With so many people with so many leads, I'm surprised those posters haven't cracked the case yet. And I agree, Cobra was posting very childishly Reminded me of my ex, always has to make it appear that he knows so much and even if he does, not give an inch to make himself appear to some man of power.

And the comment about family jewels, well for me that definitely means private parts of a man. So in reading that to me it sounds like they are talking about a man, but who knows with all their cloak and danger messages there.

[FallenAngel♥]

Thank you and I will take a look - how odd and you are right childish.

did you see the part where Simon said Crystal's nose was broke the night she had the seizure at the HBC? Is that true?

[Lovethechild]

FWIW, The hints on Simon's site are childish. I came up with this,

McDonalds mascot is Ronald.
Pharm is "pharmacy/presciption drugs"
Can't figure out Phat other than maybe money.

Bio fuel, KP's husband has a company
Someone was hiding the "jewels/sex" maybe at the motel???

Or it's just hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle. Just a tale...& so schoolboy.

:blink: PHAT- pretty hot and tempting? IDK. Why are these people playing games.... just spill it already.