May 19 to

[Tokyo Rose]

I was surprised to hear the state asked for a different judge. That is usually never done by the prosecutors. I think they have a very good reason for that. I also think there is more to it than what is in the motion and we know about.

The defense didn't seem happy about the possible change or maybe I was reading more into their press conference than I should have.

I hope the DP is not on the table in this case. It would be very hard for Drew Peterson to spend life in prison. There are the kids to consider also.

jmo

[kellabeck]

I agree. Even though it's unlikely, it is still possible that Stacy is alive. MOO

No it's not. ALL of her friends and relatives have said that such a good mother would NEVER have abandoned her children to live with a man she was planning to divorce. That's at the least. And at the worst, someone she knew was capable of murder.

That's just for starters. Then there is:
zero cell phone activity
zero bank activity
zero credit card activity
zero sightings anywhere
total lack of evidence of the "other man" and his concomitant disappearance

Couple that with Drew's behavior and the statements of his stepbrother...

It's impossible that she is still alive.

Obviously, the discovery of the body is very helpful to prosecution, the lack of body does not preclude a trial. In the case of Scott Peterson, the washing up of Laci and Conner's bodies where Scooter dumped them, was the ultimate nail in his coffin, true. However, I believe that he would have been prosecuted and convicted without them.

[kellabeck]

Just in case you guys forgot. Current updates now that DP was arrested. Legal analyst lisa Bloom shares info on a new law, KS sister is on with her attorney, Financee Christine Raines with attorney Gloria Allred and Christines father will be there and on Thursday show what will happen to DP children.

Thanks for the heads up. I don't watch that show unless he has a specific issue like this.

[bkwits]

I was surprised to hear the state asked for a different judge. That is usually never done by the prosecutors. I think they have a very good reason for that. I also think there is more to it than what is in the motion and we know about.

The defense didn't seem happy about the possible change or maybe I was reading more into their press conference than I should have.

I hope the DP is not on the table in this case. It would be very hard for Drew Peterson to spend life in prison. There are the kids to consider also.

jmo

Pros. claims that Judge Schoenstedt is prejudiced in favor of defense. This judge assigned himself to Peterson's case. He had dismissed two weapons charges against Peterson in 2007, during the investigation of Stacy's disappearance.

The pros doesn't have to prove anything. They are allowed to change judges once, whle defense can have two judges removed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson-bail-19may19,0,740625.story

[penguin01]

Pros. claims that Judge Schoenstedt is prejudiced in favor of defense. This judge assigned himself to Peterson's case. He had dismissed two weapons charges against Peterson in 2007, during the investigation of Stacy's disappearance.

The pros doesn't have to prove anything. They are allowed to change judges once, whle defense can have two judges removed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson-bail-19may19,0,740625.story I wonder why the State Attorney's office would refuse to give records re the guns to DP's attnys. Sorta sounds like the judge had no choice but to dismiss the weapons charges based on LE behavior. Were the charges dismissed with or without prejudice (or is that phrase just used in civil cases)? In other words can the weapons charges be brought again?

[penguin01]

No it's not. ALL of her friends and relatives have said that such a good mother would NEVER have abandoned her children to live with a man she was planning to divorce. That's at the least. And at the worst, someone she knew was capable of murder.

That's just for starters. Then there is:
zero cell phone activity
zero bank activity
zero credit card activity
zero sightings anywhere
total lack of evidence of the "other man" and his concomitant disappearance

Couple that with Drew's behavior and the statements of his stepbrother...

It's impossible that she is still alive.

Obviously, the discovery of the body is very helpful to prosecution, the lack of body does not preclude a trial. In the case of Scott Peterson, the washing up of Laci and Conner's bodies where Scooter dumped them, was the ultimate nail in his coffin, true. However, I believe that he would have been prosecuted and convicted without them.

I think we have to add CONTROL once again to the above. Drew prowled around keeping an eye on her: he constantly checked up on her. Its very doubtful she would have had the slightest opportunity to get to know some guy well enough to consider leaving her children and family with him.
DP woud rather suggest she was the kind of woman to do that: he wants to trash her even now. He could have pretended to worry that she was abducted, but that wouldn't do enough to paint her as a bad person IMO. She's dead and he has something to do with it!

[Tokyo Rose]

Just in case you guys forgot. Current updates now that DP was arrested. Legal analyst lisa Bloom shares info on a new law, KS sister is on with her attorney, Financee Christine Raines with attorney Gloria Allred and Christines father will be there and on Thursday show what will happen to DP children.

Trigger, what's the time zone you're in?

[Tokyo Rose]

Pros. claims that Judge Schoenstedt is prejudiced in favor of defense. This judge assigned himself to Peterson's case. He had dismissed two weapons charges against Peterson in 2007, during the investigation of Stacy's disappearance.

The pros doesn't have to prove anything. They are allowed to change judges once, whle defense can have two judges removed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson-bail-19may19,0,740625.story

Thanks for the info.

[penguin01]

Trigger, what's the time zone you're in?
Probably Central - Dr. Phil comes on at 3 for me here in AL.

[ksk1]

No it's not. ALL of her friends and relatives have said that such a good mother would NEVER have abandoned her children to live with a man she was planning to divorce. That's at the least. And at the worst, someone she knew was capable of murder.

That's just for starters. Then there is:
zero cell phone activity
zero bank activity
zero credit card activity
zero sightings anywhere
total lack of evidence of the "other man" and his concomitant disappearance

Couple that with Drew's behavior and the statements of his stepbrother...

It's impossible that she is still alive.

Obviously, the discovery of the body is very helpful to prosecution, the lack of body does not preclude a trial. In the case of Scott Peterson, the washing up of Laci and Conner's bodies where Scooter dumped them, was the ultimate nail in his coffin, true. However, I believe that he would have been prosecuted and convicted without them.

Yes, and out here in California we had a similiar case in that the spouse was missing and the husband was convicted. Hans Reiser. Several months later just before sentencing, he led the police to the body. On a different note, I just have to say how absolutely happy I was when Drew Peterson was arrested. Finally!!

[Tokyo Rose]

Probably Central - Dr. Phil comes on at 3 for me here in AL.

I'm in Eastern and it shows on at 5pm. I don't usually watch the show, but want to today. Looking at the remarks, it shows a totally different subject he is having on today. It's also on ABC. :confused:

Thanks

[ksk1]

Pros. claims that Judge Schoenstedt is prejudiced in favor of defense. This judge assigned himself to Peterson's case. He had dismissed two weapons charges against Peterson in 2007, during the investigation of Stacy's disappearance.

The pros doesn't have to prove anything. They are allowed to change judges once, whle defense can have two judges removed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson-bail-19may19,0,740625.story

Thank you for this information. In that case he should be taken off the case and I am glad the prosecution was right on it. There may be a past relationship with this judge and Peterson.

Prayers for Stacey's kids.

[Tokyo Rose]

Thank you for this information. In that case he should be taken off the case and I am glad the prosecution was right on it. There may be a past relationship with this judge and Peterson.

Prayers for Stacey's kids.

He's been a cop long enough to know some judges personally. I am glad the prosecution is on this too.

jmo

[penguin01]

He's been a cop long enough to know some judges personally. I am glad the prosecution is on this too.

jmo BUt I'm still unclear - why did the prosecution not provide the defence with the LE records re the weapons. Don't they have to? Did they put the judge in a position to have to dismiss the charges due to this? Can the weapons charges be reinstated?

[penguin01]

I'm in Eastern and it shows on at 5pm. I don't usually watch the show, but want to today. Looking at the remarks, it shows a totally different subject he is having on today. It's also on ABC. :confused:

Thanks Huh? I'm being careful not to comment on the show yet - till after you see it. But I did check the Dr. Phil website and it shows that the DP case will be on today. What did you see as the subject? Its on CBS here - how can it be on ABC there?

[Tokyo Rose]

It is a syndicated show. Stations buy the rights to broadcast in a particular market.......

my market it might be cbs, another market it may be a fox station, etc.

Yes, my son just explained that to me.:smile:

[Tokyo Rose]

BUt I'm still unclear - why did the prosecution not provide the defence with the LE records re the weapons. Don't they have to? Did they put the judge in a position to have to dismiss the charges due to this? Can the weapons charges be reinstated?

I know next to nothing about Illinois law. Maybe the state refused to give the LE records because it was internal and not subject to be released to the public or is not a part of discovery. Maybe the judge just jumped on that as an excuse to dismiss the charges because he feels the state should give it to the defense even if they don't have to. The prosecutor was pretty steamed about it for sure and must have had a reason. I don't know what kind of weapons charges were filed against DP, but they can't refile the charges if the statute of limitations has run out.

jmo

There might have been some very nasty things said about DP in their internal communications.

[Tokyo Rose]

Huh? I'm being careful not to comment on the show yet - till after you see it. But I did check the Dr. Phil website and it shows that the DP case will be on today. What did you see as the subject? Its on CBS here - how can it be on ABC there?

Something about some self help show, but now it has been changed to the DP show info.

[n/t]

Gloria Allred representing the new fiancee.

What do you all think? Do you think DP confided in his new fiancee and she knows what happened to Stacy?

Why does she need a lawyer?

[kellabeck]

SNIP
I am still laughing at kellabeck calling Peterson (Scott) Scooter.... did his family call him that? I don't remember that nickname. :biggrin:


As far as I know, that's an invention of someone here.

[kellabeck]

Here's a real whopper:

Joel Brodsky (in response to Dr Phil's question of did Drew get favorable treatment because he was a cop?):

"Well actually, police officers who get involved with violence either with their spouses or in general are usually subject to harsher treatment."
Yes, but only on Planet Bizarro where Joel is King.

[Anakerie]

I wonder why the State Attorney's office would refuse to give records re the guns to DP's attnys. Sorta sounds like the judge had no choice but to dismiss the weapons charges based on LE behavior. Were the charges dismissed with or without prejudice (or is that phrase just used in civil cases)? In other words can the weapons charges be brought again?
It's been a while since this was in the news, but I seem to remember that the defense was asking for more records than just the stuff about the guns. I also vaguely remember they wanted the records for more than just Drew Peterson...

Someone will probably correct me, but thats all good! lol

[bkwits]

It's been a while since this was in the news, but I seem to remember that the defense was asking for more records than just the stuff about the guns. I also vaguely remember they wanted the records for more than just Drew Peterson...

Someone will probably correct me, but thats all good! lol

It is kind of complicated, but as I understand it the gun violation (sawed off rifle) was discovered during the investigation into Stacy's disappearance. The pros would have had the turn over records that they are using in their ongoing investigation. This is the state's case, IIRC. The judge made liberal rulings in favor of the defense.

As I recall the guns were turned over to DrewP's older son, who is a PO in Oak Brook, IL. That is Steve Peterson, the son who is now taking care of the younger children.

IMO.

[FallenAngel♥]

This has to be very strange that Peterson's fiance needs a lawyer. Of all people, Gloria Allred. (Women's advocate):confused:
Do we seriously think Drew Peterson confided in his baby fiance. I have my doubts. After all, look what happened to Stacy Peterson. She up and disappeared after it was known he allegedly confided in her.
I'm hoping for another Indictment before his next court date.:glare:
JMO

I wonder if Drews new fiancee knows what happen to Stacy. I seriously hope she has some good evidence against Drew. and i hope she never goes back to him.

[bkwits]

I was rummaging around looking for old stories and saw that Steve P., the Oak Brook PO, was suspended for 8 days for driving his squad car and wearing his uniform to his appearance at the Grand Jury in Will County. It was said to be an embarrassment to the PD in Oak Brook.

IMO

[bkwits]

This has to be very strange that Peterson's fiance needs a lawyer. Of all people, Gloria Allred. (Women's advocate):confused:
Do we seriously think Drew Peterson confided in his baby fiance. I have my doubts. After all, look what happened to Stacy Peterson. She up and disappeared after it was known he allegedly confided in her.
I'm hoping for another Indictment before his next court date.:glare:
JMO

Well, if I had any involvement at all with DrewP, I would get a lawyer. I live exactly 30 miles from his house, and thankful that I'm not closer. My DIL works with someone who knew both Drew and Kathleen.

JMO

[not.another]

Source: Grand jury ends Peterson probe


http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/1581433,Peterson-Grand-jury-concludes-JO051909.article

JOLIET — The grand jury investigating the fate of Drew Peterson's last two wives wrapped up Tuesday with the testimony of potential star witness Thomas Morphey, a source said.

The grand jury's 18-month term is set to expire Thursday, but the source said it finished two days early.

[n/t]

This has to be very strange that Peterson's fiance needs a lawyer. Of all people, Gloria Allred. (Women's advocate):confused:
Do we seriously think Drew Peterson confided in his baby fiance. I have my doubts. After all, look what happened to Stacy Peterson. She up and disappeared after it was known he allegedly confided in her.
I'm hoping for another Indictment before his next court date.:glare:
JMO

He didn't have time to make this one disappear. Although I have my doubts, who knows. He's so full of himself. He could've confided in her.

Remember Amber Frey being the star witness in the Scott Peterson case. Well.....just maybe.

[Anakerie]

Source: Grand jury ends Peterson probe


http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/1581433,Peterson-Grand-jury-concludes-JO051909.article

JOLIET — The grand jury investigating the fate of Drew Peterson's last two wives wrapped up Tuesday with the testimony of potential star witness Thomas Morphey, a source said.

The grand jury's 18-month term is set to expire Thursday, but the source said it finished two days early.
No indictment????

From the story:
Pelkie declined to comment on whether or not the grand jury has returned indictments in either Stacy or Stebic's case.

So we wait some more?? How does this kind of thing usually work?

[RayStar]

Avoid marrying any guy who's last name is Peterson:

Laci, murdered by husband Scott.
Kathleen, murdered by husband Michael.
Kathleen, suspected of being murdered by husband Drew.
Stacie, missing and suspected of being done away with by husband Drew.

:scared:I bet Drew's new girlfriend's father believes/agrees with this. I think Drew is much scarier though. His profession has given him some leeway.

[AmndaRcknwth]

It is kind of complicated, but as I understand it the gun violation (sawed off rifle) was discovered during the investigation into Stacy's disappearance. The pros would have had the turn over records that they are using in their ongoing investigation. This is the state's case, IIRC. The judge made liberal rulings in favor of the defense.

As I recall the guns were turned over to DrewP's older son, who is a PO in Oak Brook, IL. That is Steve Peterson, the son who is now taking care of the younger children.

IMO.

The state lost that case because they were grasping for straws. Unfortunately for them, DP had pics of himself holding that same altered gun with the SWAT team, and records. The police chief, McGury, decided to "resign" during all that.

Pics:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/DSC01601-1.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/closeup.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/zgundoc2005.jpg

lots more pics-
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/?start=all

[LILMANMAX]

He didn't have time to make this one disappear. Although I have my doubts, who knows. He's so full of himself. He could've confided in her.

Remember Amber Frey being the star witness in the Scott Peterson case. Well.....just maybe.

ITA
With the intense pleasure he enjoys while speaking, its very possible he told her something.

And what in the world is DP owning assault weapons or whatever they were? :glare:

[aproudmom]

I missed Dr Phil does anyone know if it is put on the site I looked but only had about 2 minutes of the show..

[kellabeck]

aproudmom, you missed Kathleen's sister asking Brodsky if he can give her her sister back.

And Dr Phil's saying to Christina Raine's father that he has to weigh having his daughter be mad at him versus having her dead or missing. (MY words. Whatever was specifically said, that was the thrust of it.)

[Anakerie]

Christina Raines apparently went to visit Drew in jail... And she wasn't happy to find a fox news reporter in the parking lot...
http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/news/national/dpgo_drew_peterson_fiancee_lwf_051309_2482972

[amb40]

^^^^^^^^^


That is awful. You think she would get it by now?? I could not imagine wanted an old coot like Drew Peterson when I was only in my 20's!!! EW! I couldn't imagine it now and am in my 40's!! Yuk. He is gross...those bags have bags under his eyes!!!!!!!!!!


She was sooo clueless on the Today Show one morning..Everything she said was "like"....SHe was soooo out there!! Drew is scum. Hope he never gets out of prison.

[not.another]

No indictment????

From the story:
Pelkie declined to comment on whether or not the grand jury has returned indictments in either Stacy or Stebic's case.

So we wait some more?? How does this kind of thing usually work?

What I got from the article about the grand jury was that if there are indictments, they may be sealed. I don't really know what they are waiting for myself. Maybe they will hand down the indictment soon, they very well could be sealed. They could be waiting til the next court date so that he cannot bail out.

As far as Christina Raines goes, I have no sympathy for her whatsoever. She comes across, to me, as a bumbling child! IMO

[Tokyo Rose]

^^^^^^^^^


That is awful. You think she would get it by now?? I could not imagine wanted an old coot like Drew Peterson when I was only in my 20's!!! EW! I couldn't imagine it now and am in my 40's!! Yuk. He is gross...those bags have bags under his eyes!!!!!!!!!!


She was sooo clueless on the Today Show one morning..Everything she said was "like"....SHe was soooo out there!! Drew is scum. Hope he never gets out of prison.

That's the only kind of female he can get. Someone too young to have a brain yet. Besides, she said it started out as a show just so he could get attention.

Yuk, he is gross.

The only kind of a man who would find him a friend a man who hates women. Real man's man.barf

[Valkyrie08]

IMO, Drew is a very manipulative man and smarter than people give him credit for. I mean, how else was he able to convince Stacy to marry him? I'm sure at some point in their relationship/marriage Stacy questioned the circumstances surrounding Kathleen Savio's death, and Drew convinced her that Kathleen's death was an accidental drowning. Like his previous marriages, he puts up a front as being a loving, gentle man before his controlling and abusive personality shows up.

[not.another]

Another article about the grand jury wrapping up.


http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/bolingbrooksun/news/1583312,Peterson-Stebic-grand-jury-JO052009.article

JOLIET — After a parade of witnesses over the past year and a half, the special grand jury convened to investigate the fates of two missing mothers and another woman's death ended with action in only one of the cases.

As first reported in The Herald News, the grand jury wrapped up Tuesday with the testimony of Thomas Morphey, a key witness in the state's probe of what befell Stacy Peterson, the much younger wife of former Bolingbrook cop Drew Peterson.

[penguin01]

Christina Raines apparently went to visit Drew in jail... And she wasn't happy to find a fox news reporter in the parking lot...
http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/news/national/dpgo_drew_peterson_fiancee_lwf_051309_2482972 Wooo doggies - does she kiss her kids with that foul mouth?

[AmndaRcknwth]

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/th_MOV04806.jpg (http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/?action=view&current=MOV04806.flv)

A woman's badly decomposed body has been found today in the Des Plaines River.

[penguin01]

If it is Stacy perhaps her murder can be added to DP's charges now. But Lisa Stebic's family must be suffering terribly now also.

For the victim : whoever she may be:rose:

[AmndaRcknwth]

The Cales family has been contacted by ISP, the Ruttenbergs have not.

Whatever that might mean.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I guess I did that link wrong. Try this:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/

or

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/?action=view&current=MOV04806.flv

[AmndaRcknwth]

Sorry guys, I am having a brain cramp..who are the Ruttenbergs?..in relation to this case..I apologize for me ignorance..??

I like many, hope they have found Stacy..Long overdue.!!

LMS:blushing:


Lisa Stebic's family. She's been missing for 2 years from Plainfield IL.

Sorry, I should have clarified that. My fault.

[mickeymb35]

Ohhh, TY so much..Lisa's case completely slipped my mind...

The link I saw has a blue tent over the remains..obtaining forensics soo hopefully results will be forthcoming..

I get a gut feeling this is Stacy..but will cross me fingers and toes..and yep my eyes too..Having Drew where we want him..I hope we can add to his charges!!

LMS:glare:

Again, thankyou!!

I hope they found Stacy. How ironic would it be to find her the day before Drew has his bond hearing. That is tomorrow isn't it?

[vonna]

^^^^^^^^^


That is awful. You think she would get it by now?? I could not imagine wanted an old coot like Drew Peterson when I was only in my 20's!!! EW! I couldn't imagine it now and am in my 40's!! Yuk. He is gross...those bags have bags under his eyes!!!!!!!!!!


She was sooo clueless on the Today Show one morning..Everything she said was "like"....SHe was soooo out there!! Drew is scum. Hope he never gets out of prison.

One would not expect a mental giant to be attracted to this creep.

[not.another]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/1583226,Body-found-in-river_JO052009.article

CHANNAHON TOWNSHIP — A barge crew discovered female human remains Wednesday afternoon in the Des Plaines River, prompting speculation that Stacy Peterson or Lisa Stebic may have been found.

Witnesses said it was around 2 p.m. that a barge crew discovered the remains — not an intact body — near the south shore after spending the past four days clearing logs and debris.

[not.another]

It's only about a 25 minute drive from Bolingbrook to Channahon. I hope it's her. Shouldn't be too long before we find out. Praying.

[Anakerie]

OMG... It would be perfect timing if they were to find Stacy now while Drew is cooling his heels in jail!!!

[vonna]

It's only about a 25 minute drive from Bolingbrook to Channahon. I hope it's her. Shouldn't be too long before we find out. Praying.

Here's hoping it is Stacy so Drew can be charged with her murder, too. It's too improbable to believe she is other than deceased.

[vonna]

Wish I knew how long a 'blue barrel' took to break down in the water.... if ever...

I, too, was wondering if there could be any correlation!

[Anakerie]

Wish I knew how long a 'blue barrel' took to break down in the water.... if ever...
I think it would depend on exactly what kind of barrel and how tightly it was closed originally. What I wonder is if Stacy's remains had been sealed in a barrel and dumped in the river, how much of her body would be left after all this time? If the top to the barrel recently came loose, would there be much more than bones left? We need a forensics expert to help us out!

[no1what]

crossing fingers for the family that the skeleton found today is Stacy so they can find some peace.

too bad there is no head or they could have made an id quickly.

[no1what]

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/05/channahon-des-plaines-river-body-recovery-illinois-state-police.html

latest news on the body found today.

[cherish]

Found in a tub of some sort video

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/

[iluvmua]

Please let these remains be Stacy's

[newsjunkie]

Please let these remains be Stacy's


I just heard. Any mention of a container? blue?

[Mayasmimi]

Just spoke with my friend who is somewhat close to some of Stacy's family members. Seems this is an area Drew was known to frequent. NOT the river bank, but the general area. I would assume he meant bars or such.

[Mayasmimi]

I just heard. Any mention of a container? blue?

Only that the body was found in a container. Actually only torso and legs, I believe. Strange.

[summer4meplz]

Found in a tub of some sort video

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/


how do they even know if it's a white woman if it's just skeletal remains..?

[newsjunkie]

Only that the body was found in a container. Actually only torso and legs, I believe. Strange.


Thankyou, wow now I am hopeful. I wouldn't think many body parts are in containers that near Bollingbrook.


fingers crossed!

[newsjunkie]

how do they even know if it's a white woman if it's just skeletal remains..?

Dunno but I expect they can get DNA from bone?

[Lavinia]

how do they even know if it's a white woman if it's just skeletal remains..?

I wondered maybe if she had ID on her, summer. That's all I could think of.

[GentleBreeze]

I think it would depend on exactly what kind of barrel and how tightly it was closed originally. What I wonder is if Stacy's remains had been sealed in a barrel and dumped in the river, how much of her body would be left after all this time? If the top to the barrel recently came loose, would there be much more than bones left? We need a forensics expert to help us out!

If the body is Stacy or Lisa it would be a skeleton by this time. It may have some adipose attached to the bones but I doubt it. If the head has disarticulated this tells me the body has been in the water for quite sometime.

This body may have been put in the water when it was cold weather and now that the water temperature is rising the body floated up and onto the shore.

I just read an article and cant even remember if it was here or not but a witness said they saw the corpse and said it was a skeleton and weighed about 30 pounds. So I don't know if the container was close to her body but if that article is true then she was out of the container, if there is one.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Dunno but I expect they can get DNA from bone?

Yes, I believe they can. I just read an article and they found a body that had been submerged for three years and were able to identify them through DNA using one of the larger bones.

imo

[Mayasmimi]

how do they even know if it's a white woman if it's just skeletal remains..?


Don't know how, but seems they do?

[newsjunkie]

I haven't been here much but since I am now I have to ask you all, who is wierder,brodsky or the second fiddle dude I think of him as odiedodie! ?

[Mayasmimi]

I haven't been here much but since I am now I have to ask you all, who is wierder,brodsky or the second fiddle dude I think of him as odiedodie! ?

Well, we've known Brodsky longer.....so...hmmm? IMO....a tie.

[newsjunkie]

Well, we've known Brodsky longer.....so...hmmm? IMO....a tie.


I kinda figured lol

[newsjunkie]

One last thing......if there was a container and it was blue Tom M's credibility zooms too 100%!

[Mayasmimi]

One last thing......if there was a container and it was blue Tom M's credibility zooms too 100%!

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!

Hope we'll know more tomorrow. My friend said he'd call if he hears anything.

Odiedodie....perfect.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Body bag--

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/DSC04857.jpg

[Anakerie]

Body bag--

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/DSC04857.jpg
:rose: for whoever the poor soul is.... :sad:

[Lavinia]

Body bag--

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/DSC04857.jpg

Yeah and when you watch the video, you can see how light it is. There is nothing much there.

[Mayasmimi]

:rose: for whoever the poor soul is.... :sad:


I didn't want to mention the looks of the body bag, but....so very sad.

This is someone's body. :rose:

So sad. Just hope a family receives some answers. Much as I'd love to hear that Stacy AND Lisa are alive, somewhere....?

[bluwaters]

DNA Will Identify
Woman's Body In River
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/body_desplaines

[summer4meplz]

DNA Will Identify
Woman's Body In River
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/body_desplaines


interesting that they notified Stacy's family but not Lisa's......

i wonder if they brought drew to the prison infirmary to video tape his reaction....

[Mayasmimi]

interesting that they notified Stacy's family but not Lisa's......

i wonder if they brought drew to the prison infirmary to video tape his reaction....

One article I read said that Lisa's family was contacted...gave her maiden name.

[Mayasmimi]

interesting that they notified Stacy's family but not Lisa's......

i wonder if they brought drew to the prison infirmary to video tape his reaction....


He'd just chuckle.....Remember Brodsky said that's just the way he is? Whatever.

[cat3]

Found this link at WS. Says a blue barrel was found a mile away from the remains.Toward the end of video they show a picture of the barrel.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6823493

[FallenAngel♥]

Found this link at WS. Says a blue barrel was found a mile away from the remains.Toward the end of video they show a picture of the barrel.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6823493

WOW ty for the link......:ohmy:

[~jomomma~]

Yeah and when you watch the video, you can see how light it is. There is nothing much there.

when i watched that video last night, i gasped. how horrible :sad:

[~jomomma~]

Found this link at WS. Says a blue barrel was found a mile away from the remains.Toward the end of video they show a picture of the barrel.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6823493

omg! :ohmy:

[no1what]

I'm just waking up to this news. Wow! A blue barrel was found too. It has to be Stacy. No more laughs for Drewpy.

Did the stepbrother say a blue barrel or a blue bin?

[Barbara fl.]

Did the stepbrother say a blue barrel or a blue bin?

Yep, it looks like tis may very well be Stacy Peterson....The media say's that when Drew Peterson was told, he didn't respond at all......

There will be no defense for Drew if this turns out to be Stacy......He reached the end of his road.......

[playnice]

If this is SP body I hope the GF wakes up and stays away from him.

[Myka]

wow second lead in story on GMA this morning.............

edit....Lisa's family was on GMA ( just a blurb) so both familes have been told

[AmndaRcknwth]

There used to be whole forums here about Lisa and about Stacy.
Now, it's titled "Drew". Sigh.

I wouldn't put too much into the story about the barrel find. There are lots of barrels around there.

[iluvmua]

There used to be whole forums here about Lisa and about Stacy.
Now, it's titled "Drew". Sigh.

I wouldn't put too much into the story about the barrel find. There are lots of barrels around there.

Don't give up just yet, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

[AJandTam]

If this is SP body I hope the GF wakes up and stays away from him.

Hi Play, I feel like this is going to be Stacey. If so, really weird how her and the blue barrel resurface so close to Drews being arrested.

[AJandTam]

Don't give up just yet, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

We must think alike. As I was just sitting here thinking about this body turning up and thought. The lord does work in mysterious ways. They will get him now for sure if it is. I really feel like he got away w/too much for two long.

[AJandTam]

I always thought it was a blue barrel. Could be wrong. :confused:

I think this is what i've always heard too.

[AJandTam]

Maybe CW will change it back to the way it was.

Speak for yourself. I find this very significant.

I am w/you Johnny.. I think this time it is significant.

[AJandTam]

Glad I'm not the only one.

What are the odds that Drew gets arrested, Stacy is found and the barrel where she was placed in found all at the same time?

Keeping my fingers crossed.

Does he have a hearing today?

Crazy odds, that is for sure. I really believe it is her. I don't know about the hearing. I haven't been keeping up w/this case as much, was just on the sidelines following his arrest, and his latest article about how he thinks he will be found innocent (I admit, I rolled my eyes and hoped he was seriously overconfident.). If this turns out to be Stacy. His dreams of leaving the jail cell are over.. Oh darn..

[iluvmua]

I hope we are all right; I really hope this is Stacy.

That would put several nails in Drew's coffin.

[AJandTam]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7642347&page=1

"But the fact that the decomposing body was found less than a mile from a blue barrel could be significant, as Peterson's stepbrother told "Good Morning America" in March that he helped Peterson move a heavy blue barrel from the Petersons' home into their SUV shortly after Stacy Peterson's disappearance."

:ohmy:

Wonder how long it will take to know for sure? Buh bye Drew.. that's what i'm thinking.

[AJandTam]

I hope we are all right; I really hope this is Stacy.

That would put several nails in Drew's coffin.

Where do you go to donate nails and a hammer.. I'm in!!!!!

[AJandTam]

Same with me. Follow a bit and move on. I'm hoping for closure for her family if it is Stacy.

Him laughing and stuff proves what a disgusting POG he truely is. What the heck is that dimb wit fiance of his thinking? Hope she runs far, far away fast.

They said on the news he had no reaction. Well duh? IMO, he's a psychopath.

Well Johnny.. We can't iggy the fact that LE felt the need to check his reaction. Sounds like LE thinks they've got Stacey to me, doesn't it to you??

He is totally wretched. Psycho all the way.

This silly little girl he is w/ better learn a huge lesson from this IF she wants to live much longer. Drew aint the only one of his type out there. If this is Stacy, she got off easy this time. .

[AJandTam]

Hopefully before his bail hearing which I thought was today? :thumbsup:

Hmmm this is one of those times when I wish I knew the law better. W/the ID of this body pending. I wonder if that could affect him getting bail. Or is it that one case can't affect the other??

[iluvmua]

Maybe Drew showed no emotion when LE told his of the discovery because he knows it's not Stacy?

:confused:

[AJandTam]

Maybe Drew showed no emotion when LE told his of the discovery because he knows it's not Stacy?

:confused:

I don't know. W/Drew, I don't think he would react like Casey anyhow. I think he would have laughed or Grinned. Showing contempt at their stupidity..

[playnice]

Maybe Drew showed no emotion when LE told his of the discovery because he knows it's not Stacy?

:confused:

Drew always gets smart arzed about everything. Maybe the no emotion to Drew equals doubling over in pain to Casey.

[JHP]

Maybe Drew showed no emotion when LE told his of the discovery because he knows it's not Stacy?

:confused:

That could be, but his no reaction could be a reaction from Drew. Kind of like oh $h!!z I better be quiet.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Where do you go to donate nails and a hammer.. I'm in!!!!!


Send it here Tam-

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/zzfund.jpg

[AJandTam]

Drew always gets smart arzed about everything. Maybe the no emotion to Drew equals doubling over in pain to Casey.

This is what I am thinking too Play. I see him as having fun w/them actually thinking they got him. He would grin or laugh.. I can't see him as the bawling and asking for a pill type. He is much smarter than Casey. I see him as one who would try and pull off the poker face.

[dref99]

A phone interview with the lady who found the blue barrel on fox
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/

Also item on the hearing this afternoon - relating to replacing the judge & perhaps a bond hearing
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/crime/BondReduction

[AJandTam]

Send it here Tam-

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/zzfund.jpg

LOL, yeah that would be pretty bad. His own defense team going. He's done for.. here are some nails and a hammer.. If this is Stacy. He's really in big trouble now.

[AJandTam]

A phone interview with the lady who found the blue barrel on fox
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/

Also item on the hearing this afternoon - relating to replacing the judge & perhaps a bond hearing
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/crime/BondReduction

Thanks for the link. That report and the body being removed so reminds me of when Laci was found. Legs and a torso, I think they said. No head so no dental records. Grrrrrrrrr

Anyone remember how old Stacy was and how old Lisa was?? Were they close in age or could the possible age point in either direction. The barrel makes me think Stacy instead of Lisa..

Also, anyone know if anyone tested Lisa's husband for a reaction? Or just Drew?

[AJandTam]

Isn't it odd that the body that might be stacy is found now? i mean after Drew has been arrested? :sneaky:

Yes, definately. Also weird how much like Laci the finding the of the remains is. No head, torso and legs. Both in water. Just seeing the remains being removed reminded me of that case. I was thinking there was no head when they actually said it.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Stacy was 23 when she disappeared.

[AJandTam]

Stacy was 23 when she disappeared.

Thanks. I knew she was really young but it's been so long ago that I really couldn't remember. Now what about Lisa. Maybe someone else remembers.

[iluvmua]

Thanks. I knew she was really young but it's been so long ago that I really couldn't remember. Now what about Lisa. Maybe someone else remembers.

Lisa was 37

[AJandTam]

Lisa was 37

That should be enough of an age difference then that we might have an idea of who this is after the autopsy this morning.

[GentleBreeze]

Yes, definitely. Also weird how much like Laci the finding the of the remains is. No head, torso and legs. Both in water. Just seeing the remains being removed reminded me of that case. I was thinking there was no head when they actually said it.

That shows me whomever this poor soul is they have been there awhile. LE will now go back and search for the other body parts and head that have become disarticulated.

imo

[AJandTam]

That shows me whomever this poor soul is they have been there awhile. LE will now go back and search for the other body parts and head that have become disarticulated.

imo

Hey there. I saw you the other day and said hello.. Don't know if you saw it or not.

Yes, I agree. They are going to go back and try to find all they can. I don't know if they will have luck or not, beings it's a river. The currents might make finding it difficult. Hope do they do though. We need all we can get.. maybe more evidence w/the rest of the remains, and answers to how this women died??

[kellabeck]

This would be great news if its Stacey or Lisa. I was blown away seeing this. Totally blown away. Drew being a cop and everything you would think he wouldnt put her in the river. Would he be this dumb?:rolleyes:

Would he tell his stepbrother he was going to kill someone? And get him to help dispose of the body? Would he joke around and act like he didn't care his young wife was missing? Would he take up with a new young woman and get engaged while still "married"?

[FallenAngel♥]

Isn't it odd that the body that might be stacy is found now? i mean after Drew has been arrested? :sneaky:

IF it's stacy maybe she's found now because people aren't scared of Drew since he's in jail.

[playnice]

IF it's stacy maybe she's found now because people aren't scared of Drew since he's in jail.

Good point.

[AJandTam]

IF it's stacy maybe she's found now because people aren't scared of Drew since he's in jail.

That could very well be true

[AmndaRcknwth]

They searched that area by boat several times, but maybe not this spring. I wonder how long she has been washed up there.

[AJandTam]

They searched that area by boat several times, but maybe not this spring. I wonder how long she has been washed up there.

I think she was weighted down pretty good and the changes in the river dislodged her maybe. The women found the barrel on Tues according to what I saw on the video link this morning. .

[GentleBreeze]

Hey there. I saw you the other day and said hello.. Don't know if you saw it or not.

Yes, I agree. They are going to go back and try to find all they can. I don't know if they will have luck or not, beings it's a river. The currents might make finding it difficult. Hope do they do though. We need all we can get.. maybe more evidence w/the rest of the remains, and answers to how this women died??

No, I am sorry I didn't see it, Tam, but thanks for the hello and nice to see you again.:smile:

Yes it is going to be difficult but I hope they at least find the head so the ME can tell if the victim was possibly bludgeoned or shot.

Sure is a sad thing though, no matter who she is, I hope some family has some type of closure and at least know their loved one has been found.

[GentleBreeze]

Are there other females missing in this same general area besides Lisa and Stacey?

tia

[Lrobert1]

I hope that they've found Stacy or Lisa. One of these cases need closure for the families.

Ironically, it would be quite timely that, if it is Stacy, that she's been found.

Doesn't the grand jury end today as well?

[AJandTam]

No, I am sorry I didn't see it, Tam, but thanks for the hello and nice to see you again.:smile:

Yes it is going to be difficult but I hope they at least find the head so the ME can tell if the victim was possibly bludgeoned or shot.

Sure is a sad thing though, no matter who she is, I hope some family has some type of closure and at least know their loved one has been found.

:wub:

Very sad indeed. I agree they really need to find the skull.

[Peacein09]

I hope that they've found Stacy or Lisa. One of these cases need closure for the families.

Ironically, it would be quite timely that, if it is Stacy, that she's been found.

Doesn't the grand jury end today as well?
Hello Irobert (LOL) long time since we have posted together...MP told me you was still posting...I took a long break...
anyhow... I heard on the news last night the Grand Jury was finished...and they had no indictment handed down on Stacy's case, unless it is sealed and we are not being told about it....I will see if I can find anything on it and get a link put on here...

[starling]

IF it's stacy maybe she's found now because people aren't scared of Drew since he's in jail.

Bingo
If this is Stacy,it's got to take some pressure off of the brother.
What he thought & said was true.


All JMO

[TexanLisa]

They searched that area by boat several times, but maybe not this spring. I wonder how long she has been washed up there.

One of the links stated that they were instructed to search the banks due to the heavy flooding that had happened in the fall.

I truly believe this is Stacy.

It's about time.

[Peacein09]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-peterson-stebic-g,0,1894982.story

Peterson, Stebic grand jury term expires
Associated Press
2:59 PM CDT, May 20, 2009
JOLIET, Ill. - The special grand jury convened to look into the disappearances of Stacy Peterson and Lisa Stebic and the killing of Kathleen Savio will end, but officials say investigations into the cases will continue.

The Will County State's Attorney's office said Wednesday that the special grand jury's 18-month term expires Thursday after members met for their final session Tuesday. There are no pending indictments.

Authorities say investigations will now be taken over at regular weekly meetings of the Will County grand jury.

The special grand jury returned indictments May 7 on two first-degree murder counts against former Bolingbrook police officer Drew Peterson in Savio's death. He has pleaded not guilty.

[playnice]

Authorities say investigations will now be taken over at regular weekly meetings of the Will County grand jury.



If this body is identified as Stacy can WC GJ go ahead and indic t or do they have to start all over again?

[penguin01]

One of the links stated that they were instructed to search the banks due to the heavy flooding that had happened in the fall.

I truly believe this is Stacy.

It's about time.
I do hope you are right. Have any of the reports said when they will be able to announce who it is? I know they realize how very anxious the families are. :sad:

[TexanLisa]

I do hope you are right. Have any of the reports said when they will be able to announce who it is? I know they realize how very anxious the families are. :sad:


The reports I have heard state that DNA testing will take a couple of days. They already have samples of Lisa and Stacy's DNA, so I would assume they just need to obtain samples from the bones to compare.

You know, the report last night said that the bones were found in a tub of sorts, but the ones today say nothing about that. They are stating today that a barrel was found close by the body.

The are also saying that they will be able to determine body height and such today at the autopsy. I would think with this information that they would be able to rule whether or not it could be Stacy or Lisa. They couldn't confirm it for sure, but if the bones are of a height that is comparable to Stacy or Lisa, I wonder if they would release that info.

I just remember the whole EVP reading that Sandra did and she stated back in Dec of 07 that Stacy was in the Des Plaines river. (I don't so much believe in the whole EVP phenom, but I do find it interesting to go back and see how much she gets right....)

This whole thing has shades of Laci all over it.

No head, no feet.......

[no1what]

The reports I have heard state that DNA testing will take a couple of days. They already have samples of Lisa and Stacy's DNA, so I would assume they just need to obtain samples from the bones to compare.

You know, the report last night said that the bones were found in a tub of sorts, but the ones today say nothing about that. They are stating today that a barrel was found close by the body.

The are also saying that they will be able to determine body height and such today at the autopsy. I would think with this information that they would be able to rule whether or not it could be Stacy or Lisa. They couldn't confirm it for sure, but if the bones are of a height that is comparable to Stacy or Lisa, I wonder if they would release that info.

I just remember the whole EVP reading that Sandra did and she stated back in Dec of 07 that Stacy was in the Des Plaines river. (I don't so much believe in the whole EVP phenom, but I do find it interesting to go back and see how much she gets right....)

This whole thing has shades of Laci all over it.

No head, no feet.......


Do you have the EVP link of Sandra"s?

[no1what]

What time is Drew due in court today?

[AmndaRcknwth]

DP has a bond hearing at 1:30 today.

The body found has no arms either, according to local radio.

Sandra got the DesPlaines river correct, but if this is Stacy she is a ways upriver from Dresden, quite a ways.

[no1what]

I found Sandra's link.... on April 24, 2008 she made a statement something like "she's found in a box on the river..."

[playnice]

Think the identity will be released to the public today? If its Stacy or Lisa I would think they would have to notify their family today.

[no1what]

Maybe this is not Stacy and there is a 2nd body beyond the Dresden lock.

But hopefully it is Stacey and the family can find peace.

[happygert]

DP has a bond hearing at 1:30 today.

The body found has no arms either, according to local radio.

Sandra got the DesPlaines river correct, but if this is Stacy she is a ways upriver from Dresden, quite a ways.

Dont forget drew also has a plane.. DesPlaines river seems to be the dumping ground around there.. john wayne gacy dump a lot of boys in that river.. the ones he didnt bury in his back yard or under his house he dumped them there..

[happygert]

Once they charge DrewP, LE is on a 'time clock' to bring him to trial.

If this turns out to be Stacy, the next GJ will have to indite him while forensics are gathered and tested.

Hopefully her body will keep his bond from being reduced for now.

IMHO, of course.

Illinois has 180 days unless the defendant requests the delays or agrees to delays...

[happygert]

wow, this is amazing. timing is perfect if it is stacy.


if it is,

DREW IS THROUGH. :ohmy:

Praying it's Stacy... Not that I want her dead but we all know drew killed her it's time she's found and laid to rest..some peace of mind for family..knowing where she is..

[AmndaRcknwth]

DP has a bond hearing at 1:30 today.

The body found has no arms either, according to local radio.

Sandra got the DesPlaines river correct, but if this is Stacy she is a ways upriver from Dresden, quite a ways.


Quoting this for a correction...

Acually the DesPlaines river and the Kankakee river combine to form the Illinois river. The Dresden locks are on the IL, technically.

Map of the diff between the body found and the lock/dam:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/DSC04875.jpg

[Jpanda]

Hi all,

My mom just heard a report on the radio (news) that the body was wearing size small underwear and also wearing jeans. I don't have a link and I'm at work so I didn't hear it how it was said, so it could just be a rumor.

When they were last seen, Stacy was supposedly wearing sweats and so was Lisa (again, supposedly...their husbands aren't exactly reliable witnesses on what these ladies could have been wearing).

But whoever it is, the family will hopefully find some closure.

jmo

[FallenAngel♥]

Quoting this for a correction...

Acually the DesPlaines river and the Kankakee river combine to form the Illinois river. The Dresden locks are on the IL, technically.

Map of the diff between the body found and the lock/dam:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/DSC04875.jpg
I wonder if there are any cell phone pings from that area.
Some how i think Drew might have been smart enough to turn his cell off.:cursing:

[sofiesmom]

Fox just reported that an autopsy is being conducted now, and that the body was found in a blue container (I think they said barrel, but am not sure about that...I'd just walked in the door and just got lucky that I turned on the tv right as they were reporting this).

[sofiesmom]

It's on Now! The woman who found it is on the phone.

[threesnugbugs]

Fox just reported that an autopsy is being conducted now, and that the body was found in a blue container (I think they said barrel, but am not sure about that...I'd just walked in the door and just got lucky that I turned on the tv right as they were reporting this).

Nope, it was said a blue barrel was found earlier in the week about a mile up/downstream.

[need2no]

Praying it's Stacy... Not that I want her dead but we all know drew killed her it's time she's found and laid to rest..some peace of mind for family..knowing where she is..


and hopefully the death penalty for Drew.

[TexanLisa]

Do you have the EVP link of Sandra"s?


http://www.heliumraven.com/casefile

From Sandra's page

Sandra Belanger

December 16, 2007

1:04pm

Today I am going to release the location for Stacy Peterson's body that I have been given by the EVP Voices. They seem to think in a rather overwhelming way that Stacy was thown into the Des Plaines River. She then washed down the Des Plaines River and is now apparently in the area of the Dresden Locks and Dam. I was told this in several different ways. The earliest mentions of Dresden came as early on as December 1, 2007. When I received the following messages.



From session

20071201_090730-001

December 1, 2007

9:07am Part 1

Help me I'm at Dresden.*20071201_090730-001.mp3
Dresden at the restricted (Stacy {whispered}) part.*071201_0907.mp3
She's hidden where she told you at Dresden.*200.mp3


Subsequent sessions were done to verify this location on December 11th and December 13th. The December 11th session was very interesting and very chilling. Just to emphasize the location, the EVP Voices came up with another way to make me understand what had happened to Stacy's body. They told me that her body would be found in the same area that Rob Piest's body was found. They knew that I would know immediately who Rob Piest was. As a self taught criminal profiler I have studied literally hundreds of homicide cases. One of the most infamous cases of our time was that of serial murderer John Wayne Gacy. John Wayne Gacy abducted a high school aged boy by the name of Rob Piest and killed him, but unlike the majority of his other victims Gacy didn't bury him in his basement. He threw Piest's body into the Des Plaines River. It was eventually recovered in April of 1979 in the area near the Dresden Dam and Locks four months after Piest was abducted. The date of the session that I was given this information was December 11, 2007. Rob Piest was abducted and murdered by Gacy on December 11, 1978. December 11, 2007 was the twenty-ninth anniversary of the abduction and murder of Rob Piest.

Did the hair stand up on the back of your neck? I can tell you it did on mine when I realized that the sesson date was the anniversary of Piest's murder at the hands of Gacy.

In discussing my crime solving protocol I discuss the importance of synchronities which are also known as meaningful coincidences. In the realm of synchronicities, this one hit the ball out the park. It was just like a big neon arrow pointing to the information saying, "Hey, Sandra, look at this!" This just blows my mind. One of the amazing things about the audio file is that it acts as what I have previously referred to as a "keyword". It states the murdered boys name and simultaneously says the number seventy-eight. This is of course, a reference to the fact that Piest was abducted in 1978. As a result even if I didn't know who Piest was, I could have Googled his name and the date and come up with the information. This date

"78" serves as a secondary pointer telling me that something about the date was special. As I have previously stated it was remarkably special. I knew that Piest had been taken some time around Christmas, but when I found out that it was the same date as the session I was floored. These are the audio files from the December 11th & December 13, 2007 sessions.



From session

20071211_172940-002

December 11, 2007

5:29pm Part 2

Des Plaines, tossed in the water.*20071211_1.wav
It washed body down.*20071211_172940-002.wav
Rob (seventy-eight) Piest*20071211_172940-002.wav


From session

20071213_161750-002

December 13, 2007

4:17pm Part 2

Some ships are takin' her west.*20071213_1617.wav
I'm recovered under a ship (Gacy) that's comin' into the locks. (Piest)*.mp3

In first (Pamela) Dresden.*20071213_161750-002.mp3

See her that's at Dresden.*20071213_161750-.wav
Seen where the boy Piest came.*20071213_161750-002.wav


From session

20071213_161750-002

December 13, 2007

4:17pm Part 3



Boat to this lock.*20071213_161750-003.mp3
There she is in this lock.*20071213_161750-.wav
She's at Dresden Locks.*20071213_161750-00.wav


Sorry for the delay, I had a lunch date with the hubby! :)

[texasgal]

Oh .. how I'm trying not to get my hopes up ..

One thing.. do we know the size difference in Lisa and Stacy? If Stacy was tiny and Lisa was tall, they would know pretty quick that the bones didn't match one or the other ..

I'm just glad he's in jail where he can't take off .. not that I'm sure he would, because he has to continue the "I haven't done anything wrong" act ..

Blech .. he just makes me barf.

[threesnugbugs]

Am I missing something? Is there a stacy peterson board? There are no articles linked yet to the body find, and very little discussion on this board about it...usually there is so much more going on at a time like this...so perhaps there is another board I can't find today? ANyone want to help me out?

[Tia]

Oh .. how I'm trying not to get my hopes up ..

One thing.. do we know the size difference in Lisa and Stacy? If Stacy was tiny and Lisa was tall, they would know pretty quick that the bones didn't match one or the other ..

I'm just glad he's in jail where he can't take off .. not that I'm sure he would, because he has to continue the "I haven't done anything wrong" act ..

Blech .. he just makes me barf.


Stacy was 5-2 100lbs
Lisa was 5-2 120lbs

[TexanLisa]

Quoting this for a correction...

Acually the DesPlaines river and the Kankakee river combine to form the Illinois river. The Dresden locks are on the IL, technically.

Map of the diff between the body found and the lock/dam:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/DSC04875.jpg


What effect would the massive flooding that happened in the fall do to the river overflow?

Just wondering if that could have something to do with the location where the body was found.

Are there any train tracks or "bells" in that particular area?

[texasgal]

Stacy was 5-2 100lbs
Lisa was 5-2 120lbs


Well, so much for that, huh? I guess we just have to wait .. *sigh*

[TexanLisa]

Quoting this for a correction...

Acually the DesPlaines river and the Kankakee river combine to form the Illinois river. The Dresden locks are on the IL, technically.

Map of the diff between the body found and the lock/dam:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Stacy%20Peterson%20-%20Kathleen%20Savio/DSC04875.jpg


That's bizarre. Why would Sandra say she was in the DesPlaines river if the Dresden locks are in the Illinois river?

Thanks for the great map.

Still wondering if the flooding in the fall could have changed the location?

[KittyMom]

I'm hearing that there was a container and that there wasn't...anyone know for sure???

[Tia]

Well, so much for that, huh? I guess we just have to wait .. *sigh*


It was the first thing I checked. The remains could easily be either woman.

[KittyMom]

I'd love to know what Craig Stebic's reaction to this news was. That would be telling as to whether this might be Lisa.

[need2no]

Am I missing something? Is there a stacy peterson board? There are no articles linked yet to the body find, and very little discussion on this board about it...usually there is so much more going on at a time like this...so perhaps there is another board I can't find today? ANyone want to help me out?


Here's a link that sums it up, and includes a video:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7642347&page=1

[threesnugbugs]

I'm hearing that there was a container and that there wasn't...anyone know for sure???

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6824563
The Blue Barrel

A blue barrel was spotted Sunday along the Des Plaines River just about a mile downstream from the remains.

[lonetraveler]

I think she was weighted down pretty good and the changes in the river dislodged her maybe. The women found the barrel on Tues according to what I saw on the video link this morning. .
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found the barrel on Sunday, call LE, saw the barrel again on Tuesday and checked to see if LE had investigated it, heard about the body found not far from where they saw the barrel, called State Police to let them know that they had found the barrel Sunday. Sent photo they took to State Police..........Michelle Williams is the woman who found the barrel.

[doradoll]

Hi all,

My mom just heard a report on the radio (news) that the body was wearing size small underwear and also wearing jeans. I don't have a link and I'm at work so I didn't hear it how it was said, so it could just be a rumor.

When they were last seen, Stacy was supposedly wearing sweats and so was Lisa (again, supposedly...their husbands aren't exactly reliable witnesses on what these ladies could have been wearing).

But whoever it is, the family will hopefully find some closure.

jmo

do you think the clothes would still be on Lisa or Stacy after this long? I would think they would be disintegrated by now

Laci had a bra on, but she wasn't in the water as long

does anyone have any idea?

[TexanLisa]

been taking care of DH as he recovers from SX this week, I had no idea a body had been found. The timing, if this is Stacy will be Karma ultimate. I too, never would want her to be dead, but in order to seal DP's fate, we need this to be her.
I dont know about the nonsense posted from a "phsyic" it seems really out of place to me and OT but that's just my opinion. It's really an attempt to capitalize on a body being found. To me it's not relevant. Ever.

Most of us have great gut instinct but special powers? Voices? Tapes of proof they knew she was there? UGH.

The barrel was found a mile from the body, it's blue and that's about all I need to hear. I would be surprised if it's not stacy or lisa.
But rest assured EVP voices to me are crap. That's my point of view.:ohmy:

Perhaps if you had read the part where I said I don't particularly believe in EVP, but like to go back and see how accurate the predictions turn out to be, you would have had no reason for your "Dennis Miller rant".

It's a good thing you don't get to decide what is relevant or not to the case or what we are or are not allowed to discuss or we would all be allowed to only have your opinion.

I didn't mean to spoil your fun, though. Carry on.

[KittyMom]

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6824563
The Blue Barrel

A blue barrel was spotted Sunday along the Des Plaines River just about a mile downstream from the remains.

Thanks! :smile:

[KittyMom]

do you think the clothes would still be on Lisa or Stacy after this long? I would think they would be disintegrated by now

Laci had a bra on, but she wasn't in the water as long

does anyone have any idea?

I would think it would depend on how well the barrel was sealed. :confused:

[FallenAngel♥]

I'd love to know what Craig Stebic's reaction to this news was. That would be telling as to whether this might be Lisa.

I would love to know Drew and Craigs reaction.

[lonetraveler]

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/05/channahon-des-plaines-river-body-recovery-illinois-state-police.html

Interesting article on the remains found. Covers the discovery of the blue barrel as well.

[texasgal]

I would think it would depend on how well the barrel was sealed. :confused:

that's what I'm thinking .. if the remains were confined to the barrel until very recently, some of the clothing might still be with/on the remains.

then again, maybe the news reports are false.. :shrug:

[playnice]

I would love to know Drew and Craigs reaction.

Lets just hope this body is one of these women. Not wishing either dead but their families know them well enough to know they would not run away from their kids and know they met with foul play. Both have been missing way to long and their loved ones need closure as much as possible and the perp brought to justice.

[KittyMom]

I would love to know Drew and Craigs reaction.

Maybe LE pulled a Casey Anthony and videoed Drew watching the news about the body.

[threesnugbugs]

Here's a link that sums it up, and includes a video:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7642347&page=1


I am asking if there is somewhere else we are supposed to be posting about Stacy--thank you for the additional info though! :)

[AmndaRcknwth]

I'm not keen on psychics.

But she wasn't found using any other resource and there was a lot of ground to cover. Too many riverbanks too little time.

When I was at Dresden Lock I did not hear any bells. EXCEPT the whistle-toot-thing of the barges.

Moot point anyways, if it's Stacy it wasn't at Dresden. Always worth checking out any lead. Always.

[AJandTam]

The reports I have heard state that DNA testing will take a couple of days. They already have samples of Lisa and Stacy's DNA, so I would assume they just need to obtain samples from the bones to compare.

You know, the report last night said that the bones were found in a tub of sorts, but the ones today say nothing about that. They are stating today that a barrel was found close by the body.

The are also saying that they will be able to determine body height and such today at the autopsy. I would think with this information that they would be able to rule whether or not it could be Stacy or Lisa. They couldn't confirm it for sure, but if the bones are of a height that is comparable to Stacy or Lisa, I wonder if they would release that info.

I just remember the whole EVP reading that Sandra did and she stated back in Dec of 07 that Stacy was in the Des Plaines river. (I don't so much believe in the whole EVP phenom, but I do find it interesting to go back and see how much she gets right....)

This whole thing has shades of Laci all over it.

No head, no feet.......

This is what i've been thinking all day. This so reminds me of Laci. I didn't know Sandra was still around. I recall her predictions for Laci were simular to the truth as well.

I wonder if they will tell us anything they find out in the autopsy.. Age, height ect.. they probably wont be able to tell cause of death.

[playnice]

Bringing my post from breaking news thread for here too since this could be Stacy.

.

I was just thinking how long it took to get confirmation on Caylees remains. It may take weeks before we know who this person is unless something is found with remains that family can identify.

[AJandTam]

Think the identity will be released to the public today? If its Stacy or Lisa I would think they would have to notify their family today.

I don't think they will know today unless by chance they find the skull w/the teeth. I would be surprised if we learn the ID of this body before next week sometime at the earliest.

[TexanLisa]

I'm not keen on psychics.

But she wasn't found using any other resource and there was a lot of ground to cover. Too many riverbanks too little time.

When I was at Dresden Lock I did not hear any bells. EXCEPT the whistle-toot-thing of the barges.

Moot point anyways, if it's Stacy it wasn't at Dresden. Always worth checking out any lead. Always.


Nor am I. I do like to see how accurate their predictions turn out to be, though. I find it interesting and always have.

I can't remember the dream guy, Brian's, website, though. I would like to go and check what he had to say back then.

Oh, any lead is worthing following ........ no matter the source.

[TexanLisa]

This is what i've been thinking all day. This so reminds me of Laci. I didn't know Sandra was still around. I recall her predictions for Laci were simular to the truth as well.

I wonder if they will tell us anything they find out in the autopsy.. Age, height ect.. they probably wont be able to tell cause of death.

That's when I first heard of Sandra was during the Laci case. I had chills reading what she had to say back then and how close to the truth her predictions came.

I suppose it would all depend on how Drew killed Stacy as to determining manner of death. (If he stabbed her, knife marks on the bones, etc....) If he smothered her or shot her in the head, I don't see them being able to determine that.

Of course, manner of death doesn't need to be determined to charge someone with murder. Ole SP is proof of that.

I remember you from the Laci board! Good to see you again.

[AJandTam]

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found the barrel on Sunday, call LE, saw the barrel again on Tuesday and checked to see if LE had investigated it, heard about the body found not far from where they saw the barrel, called State Police to let them know that they had found the barrel Sunday. Sent photo they took to State Police..........Michelle Williams is the woman who found the barrel.

Thanks Lone..

[AJandTam]

I'm hearing that there was a container and that there wasn't...anyone know for sure???

Kitty I saw pictures of them retrieving the body and it looked like Laci's did.. No container. So I don't think so. They would have kept the container w/the body when removing it??

[KittyMom]

Kitty I saw pictures of them retrieving the body and it looked like Laci's did.. No container. So I don't think so. They would have kept the container w/the body when removing it??

I thought I saw a sheet being put into a boat. I've yet to see anything that looked like a container. :confused:

Wouldn't it be awful if this isn't Stacy or Lisa?

[AJandTam]

I've read just a torso and no head was found, but according to this article :http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6824563

The autopsy was scheduled for 9:30 a.m. Thursday at the Will County Coroner's Office in Joliet. Officials are also working to ID the body; they are comparing dental record and conducting DNA tests.

They have a head with teeth for dental records. I believe it will be either Lisa or Stacy, because of the blue barrel, I believe it will be Stacy.JMO

RIP Lisa & Stacy


When they get the head. This morning links says no head. Just legs and torso.

I guess if this is Stacey and she was in the barrel, the barrel would have holes in it to make it sink. But I know that it is hard to keep a body weighted down especially since during decomp the gases released make the body rise. So that factor and the fact that these barrels will float.. How can he have kept this barrel under water so long. He put cement in it maybe?? Just curious if anyone is thinking about this..

[TexanLisa]

I've read just a torso and no head was found, but according to this article :http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6824563

The autopsy was scheduled for 9:30 a.m. Thursday at the Will County Coroner's Office in Joliet. Officials are also working to ID the body; they are comparing dental record and conducting DNA tests.

They have a head with teeth for dental records. I believe it will be either Lisa or Stacy, because of the blue barrel, I believe it will be Stacy.JMO

RIP Lisa & Stacy

One of those reports is wrong, obviously.

They can't do dental records if they have no head.

They can do dental records if they do have a head.

Once again, which report do we believe?

IIRC, one of the early reports last night stated the body had no head but they would be doing a search of dental records. I remember thinking to myself, well how the heck do you do that if you don't have a head?

Wonder if they will have a presser if they narrow it down to one of the two women or will they wait until she has been positively id'd?

[GentleBreeze]

Nope, it was said a blue barrel was found earlier in the week about a mile up/downstream.

Yes, it seems the lady saw the barrel on Sunday and called LE then noticed it was still there and called them back.

I just saw a new video and LE has now taken possession of the blue barrel and had it in their boat.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Kitty I saw pictures of them retrieving the body and it looked like Laci's did.. No container. So I don't think so. They would have kept the container w/the body when removing it??

Right. The blue barrel was found about a mile from the remains.

imo

[~jomomma~]

One of those reports is wrong, obviously.

They can't do dental records if they have no head.

They can do dental records if they do have a head.

Once again, which report do we believe?

IIRC, one of the early reports last night stated the body had no head but they would be doing a search of dental records. I remember thinking to myself, well how the heck do you do that if you don't have a head?
Wonder if they will have a presser if they narrow it down to one of the two women or will they wait until she has been positively id'd?

that's what i've been wondering too lisa! wth?

[AJandTam]

Bringing my post from breaking news thread for here too since this could be Stacy.

.

I was just thinking how long it took to get confirmation on Caylees remains. It may take weeks before we know who this person is unless something is found with remains that family can identify.

I don't know if it depends on state, lab back up or priority?? . But different cases have taken different amounts of time to DNA test. We got Laci's back really soon. In Caylees case. I thought about but DO NOT know, but I think because they wanted to keep the defense out of the remains site, they may have dragged thier heels in Caylees case. Remember Jose trying to go in on the investigators via the judge??

[AJandTam]

That's when I first heard of Sandra was during the Laci case. I had chills reading what she had to say back then and how close to the truth her predictions came.

I suppose it would all depend on how Drew killed Stacy as to determining manner of death. (If he stabbed her, knife marks on the bones, etc....) If he smothered her or shot her in the head, I don't see them being able to determine that.

Of course, manner of death doesn't need to be determined to charge someone with murder. Ole SP is proof of that.

I remember you from the Laci board! Good to see you again.

Nice to see you too. The tx reference makes me wonder... I might know you too, and have long wondered where you went.

I learned about that kind of thing during Laci's case too, and tried to find info on Sandra during, I think it was Madeline McCanns case. But I don't think I found her then.. Nice reminder..

They didn't find a crime scene so I wondered if Stacy wasn't strangled.. If this is her. We will be sad but happy at the same time. We kind of know in our hearts she isn't coming back, just because of WHO she was married too.

[GentleBreeze]

Kitty I saw pictures of them retrieving the body and it looked like Laci's did.. No container. So I don't think so. They would have kept the container w/the body when removing it??

Here is a video where police have barrel in boat.

I wonder if a barge hit it. It looks pretty beat up from what I can see.

http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=58831@wbbm.dayport.com

[AJandTam]

I thought I saw a sheet being put into a boat. I've yet to see anything that looked like a container. :confused:

Wouldn't it be awful if this isn't Stacy or Lisa?

I didn't see any kind of container either, and so far, just the idea that the infamous blue barrel story might be true. Any idea what shade of blue the infamous container was suppose to be? The one shown on the news looked light blue to me.

[TexanLisa]

Kitty I saw pictures of them retrieving the body and it looked like Laci's did.. No container. So I don't think so. They would have kept the container w/the body when removing it??


This is really strange. The "breaking news report" last night stated the body was in a "tub of sorts". Yet, we have heard nothing else about it.

From the above link in the ABC report, it speaks of a container "When they brought it, two guys lifted it up, it couldn't have weighed more than 15 or 20 pounds," said Ed Maida, boat owner, about the remains. Maida said he saw the container being pulled out of the river near the marina where he keeps his boat on Wednesday.

I interpreted the above mentioning of a container to mean the "bag" that the bones were removed in.

Who the heck knows?

I wish they would have a press conference, already.

[KittyMom]

When they get the head. This morning links says no head. Just legs and torso.

I guess if this is Stacey and she was in the barrel, the barrel would have holes in it to make it sink. But I know that it is hard to keep a body weighted down especially since during decomp the gases released make the body rise. So that factor and the fact that these barrels will float.. How can he have kept this barrel under water so long. He put cement in it maybe?? Just curious if anyone is thinking about this..

Wasn't there diving equipment missing as well? I'd always thought that Drewpy somehow wedged that barrel so that it couldn't rise.

[GentleBreeze]

I didn't see any kind of container either, and so far, just the idea that the infamous blue barrel story might be true. Any idea what shade of blue the infamous container was suppose to be? The one shown on the news looked light blue to me.

Looks like the standard common blue color that many of these barrels comes in, Tam.

[TexanLisa]

that's what i've been wondering too lisa! wth?


Sheesh, Jo, I dunno. (I made a rhyme)

It seems like anymore if you hear 4 different media reports, you are going to get 4 different stories.

I cannot imagine being one of these ladies' families and having to think about your loved one not having a head.

Since Drew and Scott seem to be so much alike, maybe they should put them in a cell together.

[AJandTam]

Here is a video where police have barrel in boat.

I wonder if a barge hit it. It looks pretty beat up from what I can see.

http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=58831@wbbm.dayport.com

This is a good link. Thank you. I saw another one this morning also a video link. I think if she was in the barrel and he had that barrel weighed down, and something hit it and knocked the top off, the rushing waters could have made it rise to the surface when everything fell out. So this barrel being so damaged might be consistant w/IF it were Stacy...

In the link they said that Drews lawyer said that he was unconcerned w/the finding of the remains. Isn't that a nice thing to say?? I think he could have found a much better way of making his point..

[TexanLisa]

Nice to see you too. The tx reference makes me wonder... I might know you too, and have long wondered where you went.

I learned about that kind of thing during Laci's case too, and tried to find info on Sandra during, I think it was Madeline McCanns case. But I don't think I found her then.. Nice reminder..

They didn't find a crime scene so I wondered if Stacy wasn't strangled.. If this is her. We will be sad but happy at the same time. We kind of know in our hearts she isn't coming back, just because of WHO she was married too.

Well, I don't know what we are thinking. After all, we all know she has run away with another man and all she took was her bikini. <rolls eyes>

I was a hot lil pepper back then, does that help?

[AJandTam]

This is really strange. The "breaking news report" last night stated the body was in a "tub of sorts". Yet, we have heard nothing else about it.

From the above link in the ABC report, it speaks of a container "When they brought it, two guys lifted it up, it couldn't have weighed more than 15 or 20 pounds," said Ed Maida, boat owner, about the remains. Maida said he saw the container being pulled out of the river near the marina where he keeps his boat on Wednesday.

I interpreted the above mentioning of a container to mean the "bag" that the bones were removed in.

Who the heck knows?

I wish they would have a press conference, already.

You know Lisa, I wonder if this could be true because if the body was in a container, then you would think all of it would be together?? If it was the the barrel that got damaged and fell out of the barrel, then maybe parts would go different directions based on weight and current??

[AJandTam]

Looks like the standard common blue color that many of these barrels comes in, Tam.

Thanks Gentle. So these colored barrels only come in one color of blue. The kind we saw in the picture. Was just asking thinking maybe the other barrels found were a different color blue, making this one more significant. So nope, no help there..

[KittyMom]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/ctv/blue_barrel.jpg

Here is a screen capture of the barrel in the boat. It looks like it is caved in on one side. I wonder how many days the clean up crew was in the area working? Could they have hit the barrel and dislodged it earlier in the week and the remains and barrel washed up?

[AJandTam]

Sheesh, Jo, I dunno. (I made a rhyme)

It seems like anymore if you hear 4 different media reports, you are going to get 4 different stories.

I cannot imagine being one of these ladies' families and having to think about your loved one not having a head.

Since Drew and Scott seem to be so much alike, maybe they should put them in a cell together.

They never found Laci's head because in the ocean it could have went anywhere. What would be the chances of them finding the head in the river?? They really need it. They are still out there looking for more, aren't they??

[AJandTam]

Well, I don't know what we are thinking. After all, we all know she has run away with another man and all she took was her bikini. <rolls eyes>

I was a hot lil pepper back then, does that help?

I wonder if what they are calling underwear is actually a bikini bottom??

[AJandTam]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/ctv/blue_barrel.jpg

Here is a screen capture of the barrel in the boat. It looks like it is caved in on one side. I wonder how many days the clean up crew was in the area working? Could they have hit the barrel and dislodged it earlier in the week and the remains and barrel washed up?

This is one of those times when I wish we had a bigger picture and better eyes. I can't tell if one side of that barrel is open so that a body could fall out.. ??

[rosered]

Maybe Drew showed no emotion when LE told his of the discovery because he knows it's not Stacy?

:confused:

nah, ole drew would have given a smirk. imho, i truley hope it is stacey so her family can give her a proper funeral so she can finally rest in peace.
:rose: = for stacey and lisa

[TexanLisa]

You know Lisa, I wonder if this could be true because if the body was in a container, then you would think all of it would be together?? If it was the the barrel that got damaged and fell out of the barrel, then maybe parts would go different directions based on weight and current??

(trying to answer several posts in this one)

You would think, so, but who the heck knows. If the barrel did get damaged, and the body was inside at the time, I would assume (yes, I am assuming) that the remainder of the skeleton would be close by.

I just keep remembering the reports of the massive flooding in that area last fall and can't help but think this helped the body to surface in some way. (Remember the freak storm in April that washed Laci and Conner's bodies ashore?)

The underwear could very well be a bikini bottom. Isn't that the only clothing Drew reported being missing? What did the report say this morning about jeans? I didn't see that one, but did see it posted.

The last video I saw showed divers going back out to the area today in a boat to continue searching, so hopefully they will recover the rest of the remains.

[TexanLisa]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/ctv/blue_barrel.jpg

Here is a screen capture of the barrel in the boat. It looks like it is caved in on one side. I wonder how many days the clean up crew was in the area working? Could they have hit the barrel and dislodged it earlier in the week and the remains and barrel washed up?

Dang!

That barrel looks as though it has been beat to hades.

If the body was in there, I guess now we know why it isn't anymore.

I just had a horrible thought, what if part of her body is still in the bottom portion of that barrel?

Surely they would have reported that........or would they?

[AJandTam]

(trying to answer several posts in this one)

You would think, so, but who the heck knows. If the barrel did get damaged, and the body was inside at the time, I would assume (yes, I am assuming) that the remainder of the skeleton would be close by.

I just keep remembering the reports of the massive flooding in that area last fall and can't help but think this helped the body to surface in some way. (Remember the freak storm in April that washed Laci and Conner's bodies ashore?)

The underwear could very well be a bikini bottom. Isn't that the only clothing Drew reported being missing? What did the report say this morning about jeans? I didn't see that one, but did see it posted.

The last video I saw showed divers going back out to the area today in a boat to continue searching, so hopefully they will recover the rest of the remains.


Lisa, I'm not sure, I am no expert, but I think that barrel would have needed some extra weight in it, and if IIRC, Drew needed help w/it because it was so heavy. So I am thinking, if this is the barrel, then maybe inside of the barrel will be evidence of pouring concrete into it. So they may already know that this barrel is important?

Crossing my fingers that they are able to find the skull today. W/all of the equipment they have available nowdays, I am optomistic..

I forgot about the jeans. I don't know if they were on the shore or w/the body. On the body all I heard was size small underwear.

[mrsmcgoo]

I would love to know Drew and Craigs reaction.

Same here! It would be something if Drew's reaction is being tapped and documented, much the same as Casey Anthony's was.

JMO

[AJandTam]

Did Stacy have any tatoos that may help identify her?

I just put on HLN. The hearing is coming up. Of course they have to play 500 AARP and Scooter Store commercials first. :cursing:

Don't know but by this point. I don't imagine w/this body that there would be much skin left

[AJandTam]

Did Stacy have any tatoos that may help identify her?

I just put on HLN. The hearing is coming up. Of course they have to play 500 AARP and Scooter Store commercials first. :cursing:

"Scooter" stores. Coincidences, is that by accident.. ??

[Daffny]

Isn't it amazing, after all this time.... if it is Stacy, that this comes uncovered only days after his arrest?
I swear, God works in mysterious ways... and I'm not really a firm believer in God, maybe fate... something. I don't know... but I hope it's her. Just the timing couldn't have been any better. His laughing and mocking p'o'd someone in another dimension.

/jmo.

[TexanLisa]

Did Stacy have any tatoos that may help identify her?

I just put on HLN. The hearing is coming up. Of course they have to play 500 AARP and Scooter Store commercials first. :cursing:

Um, Johnny, the body was bones.

Ok, I am going to go out on a limb here, because of your Scooter store reference, I would assume you have a sense of humor and won't pounce on me. If I am wrong, give me a second to get weapons.

:)

[lonetraveler]

Did the hearing take place today for Drew Peterson? I heard it was suppose to be at 1:30 pm, did I miss it. It was suppose to be about his bond? I surely hope he doesn't make bond.

[AJandTam]

Um, Johnny, the body was bones.

Ok, I am going to go out on a limb here, because of your Scooter store reference, I would assume you have a sense of humor and won't pounce on me. If I am wrong, give me a second to get weapons.

:)

LOL. I cracked up when I saw the scooter reference too...

[TexanLisa]

Lisa, I'm not sure, I am no expert, but I think that barrel would have needed some extra weight in it, and if IIRC, Drew needed help w/it because it was so heavy. So I am thinking, if this is the barrel, then maybe inside of the barrel will be evidence of pouring concrete into it. So they may already know that this barrel is important?

Crossing my fingers that they are able to find the skull today. W/all of the equipment they have available nowdays, I am optomistic..

I forgot about the jeans. I don't know if they were on the shore or w/the body. On the body all I heard was size small underwear.

I agree about the concrete. It may very well be that LE already knows what (if anything) that barrel contains and they are keeping it close to the vest.

IMO, LE isn't going to release anything more until the body is id'd and that family is notified. We aren't going to know anything more for days regarding the "official investigation". I am sure we will get "leaked" reports from "unidentified sources" though.

You would think that they would be able to find the skull in that river (or close by on the bank), but I am unsure of how many miles of that river they would have to search.

If someone has a link to the story where they mentioned the jeans, would you post it, please? All I remember is the "underwear" comment.

[mrsmcgoo]

DP is not as um, Drew Peterson wouldn't let this happen to him.
Remember, he's pompous, arrogant and too slick to get caught up in any documentation.
Oh but wait...We now have a body and a blue barrel. Dunno.:wink:
jmo

That's our Drew! :rolleyes:

Seriously though, I know everyone would like to find their missing family member, but I want this to be Stacy sooo Bad! :crying:

[no1what]

Did Stacy have any tatoos that may help identify her?

I just put on HLN. The hearing is coming up. Of course they have to play 500 AARP and Scooter Store commercials first. :cursing:

Not sure about tatoo's but she did have implants that could be id by the number.

[KittyMom]

If the contents of the barrel where "together" as in wrapped in a sheet or bagged in some way they may contain bones, hair, breast implants (iirc, Stacy had augmentation), clothing, cell phone, purse. Let's hope at least of these items were found.

[JHP]

I agree about the concrete. It may very well be that LE already knows what (if anything) that barrel contains and they are keeping it close to the vest.

IMO, LE isn't going to release anything more until the body is id'd and that family is notified. We aren't going to know anything more for days regarding the "official investigation". I am sure we will get "leaked" reports from "unidentified sources" though.

You would think that they would be able to find the skull in that river (or close by on the bank), but I am unsure of how many miles of that river they would have to search.

If someone has a link to the story where they mentioned the jeans, would you post it, please? All I remember is the "underwear" comment.

I think LE knows IF this is the same barrel type that Drews relative helped him with. I saw a news program like an hour ago in front of the building the body is in. It is being guarded by LE so I suspect they have some sort of idea who this is. But... you never know.

[AJandTam]

I agree about the concrete. It may very well be that LE already knows what (if anything) that barrel contains and they are keeping it close to the vest.

IMO, LE isn't going to release anything more until the body is id'd and that family is notified. We aren't going to know anything more for days regarding the "official investigation". I am sure we will get "leaked" reports from "unidentified sources" though.

You would think that they would be able to find the skull in that river (or close by on the bank), but I am unsure of how many miles of that river they would have to search.

If someone has a link to the story where they mentioned the jeans, would you post it, please? All I remember is the "underwear" comment.

I agree, it will take days to get answers on who this is.. and only leaks til then. Crossing fingers for one on approximate age..

I have to go look up info on that river too.. I was wondering where it opens up to. :blushing: but I really don't know.

[lonetraveler]

Did the hearing take place today for Drew Peterson? I heard it was suppose to be at 1:30 pm, did I miss it. It was suppose to be about his bond? I surely hope he doesn't make bond.

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Never mind, I just saw on HLN that the hearing took place and it was about the changing of judges, not the bond. The judge was changed.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Not sure about tatoo's but she did have implants that could be id by the number.


Stacy had a blue and yellow carnation on her lower back and cherries on her front hip.

Lisa had a butterfly on her lower back.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I agree, it will take days to get answers on who this is.. and only leaks til then. Crossing fingers for one on approximate age..

I have to go look up info on that river too.. I was wondering where it opens up to. :blushing: but I really don't know.

It is joined by the Kankakee river just a short way downstream and the 2 become the Illinois river, then to the Mississippi river north of St. Louis.

[AJandTam]

I am leaning towards it definently being Stacy Peterson. The blue barrel story that came from DP's step brother. Surely they already have the height and dimension information.
I bet the LE is almost confident the remains are SP.
I am wondering about the hearing today set for 1:30...
In light of all this new most probable discovery, I don't see DP getting out on bail anytime in the next few days. You would think they would want to hold him for the duration of the autopsy on this body.:crying: Can they hold him or do they have to release him if he can make bail. (If they are able to have it lowered)
I have to remember what he's in for and thats the murder of his 3rd wife. Stacy is not an issue right now, today.
jmo

I wonder if they can expedidite the results in light of.. ??

[AJandTam]

It is joined by the Kankakee river just a short way downstream and the 2 become the Illinois river, then to the Mississippi river north of St. Louis.

It's big, and the skull can wash away anywhere then? Tht's what I wanted to see. Really need that skull..

[imc_e]

Just saw a clip where a man was saying he saw the remains being lifted from the river, that 2 men easily brought it in and the remains could not have weighed more than 15-20 lbs.

Also there is rumor that the remains could be identified as early as today.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6824563

Personally, I think this is Stacy..

[cog1]

It's big, and the skull can wash away anywhere then? Tht's what I wanted to see. Really need that skull..


Hi Tam,
Here is a link to map where she was discovered. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=106176870359669717956.00046a6362049892fc3d7&ll=41.415018,-88.211047&spn=0.081876,0.125999&z=13

Now, it shows her body was found at the waters edge of the Des Plains conservation area. I thought I read that it was only accessable by water?

Would that be a place where one can enter by foot or car?

TIA

[playnice]

Just saw a clip where a man was saying he saw the remains being lifted from the river, that 2 men easily brought it in and the remains could not have weighed more than 15-20 lbs.

Also there is rumor that the remains could be identified as early as today.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6824563

Personally, I think this is Stacy..

I hope the rumor is true. Cant imagine these families having to go thru a long holiday weekend not knowing who this person is.

[Myka]

Did Stacy have any tatoos that may help identify her?

I just put on HLN. The hearing is coming up. Of course they have to play 500 AARP and Scooter Store commercials first. :cursing:

you forgot the Jitter Bug phone commericals too lol

[imc_e]

http://www.stacyannpeterson.com/

Beautiful site for Stacy. :rose:

[Myka]

It's big, and the skull can wash away anywhere then? Tht's what I wanted to see. Really need that skull..

ok, not to be gross but, if they found a torso and legs, would the feet still be attached to the legs?

[imc_e]

On Stacys site there is a chat box..it was easy to register.

[TexanLisa]

Hi Tam,
Here is a link to map where she was discovered. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=106176870359669717956.00046a6362049892fc3d7&ll=41.415018,-88.211047&spn=0.081876,0.125999&z=13

Now, it shows her body was found at the waters edge of the Des Plains conservation area. I thought I read that it was only accessable by water?

Would that be a place where one can enter by foot or car?

TIA

This is a great map of the area. I wish I could find the link that stated that Drew used to frequent this area (not the river, but bars near it.)

This river floods all the time and did so massively last fall. Simply put, Drew could have put that barrel in the river at any point, not just the one where she was found.

I am under the impression that this particular area has been searched in the past and due to river clean up, it was suggested (since the flood) that the clean up crew take a closer look on shore while they were cleaning. It was that crew that found that body.

Tam -- Not sure if they will find the skull, the river itself is 20 miles wide in some points and is fed by many smaller rivers, eventually feeding into the Mississippi and the rest is history.


Aman -- Explain the Dresden locks to me. Would these have possibly prevented the barrel from ever traveling any further downstream? I know that it is way further south from where the body was discovered, but my question is, what is their function? Would the body ever have been able to pass this point in a barrel??

[vonna]

I am leaning towards it definently being Stacy Peterson. The blue barrel story that came from DP's step brother. Surely they already have the height and dimension information.
I bet the LE is almost confident the remains are SP.
I am wondering about the hearing today set for 1:30...
In light of all this new most probable discovery, I don't see DP getting out on bail anytime in the next few days. You would think they would want to hold him for the duration of the autopsy on this body.:crying: Can they hold him or do they have to release him if he can make bail. (If they are able to have it lowered)
I have to remember what he's in for and thats the murder of his 3rd wife. Stacy is not an issue right now, today.
jmo

I hope his present confinement is the beginning of his being imprisoned forever.

[TexanLisa]

I know, I know. Silly I didn't think of that.

I like to laugh, but was just bothered by how many times they play the same stupid commercials over and over. Do they think everyone who watched HLN need one yet? LOL

:laugh:


It's ok, sometimes we need a chuckle to escape the horror of the subject we are discussing.

Actually it's no more outrageous than the news reports of dental records being used when they have no head.

I tell you, when I reach the age I can't walk anymore, I am all over the scooter store! :)

[cog1]

This is a great map of the area. I wish I could find the link that stated that Drew used to frequent this area (not the river, but bars near it.)

This river floods all the time and did so massively last fall. Simply put, Drew could have put that barrel in the river at any point, not just the one where she was found.

I am under the impression that this particular area has been searched in the past and due to river clean up, it was suggested (since the flood) that the clean up crew take a closer look on shore while they were cleaning. It was that crew that found that body.

Tam -- Not sure if they will find the skull, the river itself is 20 miles wide in some points and is fed by many smaller rivers, eventually feeding into the Mississippi and the rest is history.


Aman -- Explain the Dresden locks to me. Would these have possibly prevented the barrel from ever traveling any further downstream? I know that it is way further south from where the body was discovered, but my question is, what is their function? Would the body ever have been able to pass this point in a barrel??


Okay, now I'm look for bars in the area! LOL There was a video posted and a bar owner was talking but Ihad the sound down so don't know if that person knew anything of Drew. It was the video that showed the blue barrel at the end of the video.

Good questions about the locks. If they are like our local damn, they open at certain times and things can pass thru. Big things!

Can't wait to hear what Aman reports. Maybe some locals on here know about the bars Drew frequented.

[velvetbrown]

I grieve for both Lisa and Stacey, but I hope it's Stacey. This is DrewP's SECOND murdered wife, and that arrogant p.o.s. must pay...I want to see HIM beg for his life and cry in fear...

[Myka]

I know, I know. Silly I didn't think of that.

I like to laugh, but was just bothered by how many times they play the same stupid commercials over and over. Do they think everyone who watched HLN need one yet? LOL

:laugh:

I am a tropical weather nerd and on The Weather Channel, they play those HEAD ON commericals 24/7

as far as the blue barrel.....I do dog agility with my dogs, it's where the dogs and the handlers run an obstacle course, you might have seen it on the Animal Planet or ESPN. One of the obstcales is called a chute. It's a plastic barrel with both ends cut off and a 12 ft pc of fabric at one end. The dog enteres the opened end of the barrel and runs threw the barrel and threw the fabric. Many ppl will buy those blue barrels and make their own chute for practice, including myself. The barrel is sturdy but when you cut both ends off of it, it gets flimsy.

So I was wondering if Drew put Stacy in the barrel, how did he seal the lid on the barrel?

Also, I thought it was a one of those giant tuberweare tubs ( ppl use them for storage) I can understand having one of those in your bedroom to store stuff in it but for the life of me, I don't understand why Drew would have one of these blue barrels in his bedroom. Didn't the step bro say he helped Drew carry the barrel downstairs from Drew's bedroom?

[velvetbrown]

Dang!

That barrel looks as though it has been beat to hades.

If the body was in there, I guess now we know why it isn't anymore.

I just had a horrible thought, what if part of her body is still in the bottom portion of that barrel?

Surely they would have reported that........or would they?

It's a lot smaller than I thought it would be...

[cog1]

http://www.wgnradio.com/news/top/wgnam-river-body-090520,0,5511909.story

The manager of nearby Mugzy's Bar said the body was discovered by the Living Lands and Waters clean-up crew, which the bar had hired to clean part of the river.

"We saw the trooper flying into the parking lot, and the Living Lands and Waters boat was coming down the river and the trooper jumped in their boat," said Ben, who asked that his last name not be used.

Ben said the crew, which is based out of Moline, came about four days ago and he briefed them that searchers had been sifting through the waters, apparently looking for Stacy Peterson's body.

"I told them that we had a flood last September, it was the worst flood ever, it was knee-deep in the parking lot. I told them if you're going to find anything, it's probably going to be onshore, because of the flood," he said. "They'd be a big help and get some closure to this case if they came across something. I knew it was a long shot."

The body was not in the water, but was found in the brush on the shore, according to a state police source. Other bodies had been found in the area in the past, the source said, including the remains of the Vaughn family, which were found in a car on a frontage road near the Stevenson in Channahon Township in 2007.

Interesting. I hadn't seen this report yet so apologize if it's been posted.

[Daisy'sMom]

Hi Everyone, I am a lurker on the "Drew" board and haven't been following it much. Can someone tell me what they have found? I know they found a body, did they find a barrel also? Are they doing testing on the body today? Thanks for your help.

[imc_e]

yes about a mile from the remains, a blue barrel was recovered.

[AJandTam]

Just saw a clip where a man was saying he saw the remains being lifted from the river, that 2 men easily brought it in and the remains could not have weighed more than 15-20 lbs.

Also there is rumor that the remains could be identified as early as today.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6824563

Personally, I think this is Stacy..

Wow, I don't think DNA can be that quick so how?

[imc_e]

A decomposing body found in a blue barrel beside a river bank may be the remains of Stacy Peterson, the missing wife of accused murderer Drew Peterson. :scared:


http://chattahbox.com/us/2009/05/21/remains-found-near-river-bank-may-be-stacy-petersons/

[threesnugbugs]

http://www.wgnradio.com/news/top/wgnam-river-body-090520,0,5511909.story

The manager of nearby Mugzy's Bar said the body was discovered by the Living Lands and Waters clean-up crew, which the bar had hired to clean part of the river.

"We saw the trooper flying into the parking lot, and the Living Lands and Waters boat was coming down the river and the trooper jumped in their boat," said Ben, who asked that his last name not be used.

Ben said the crew, which is based out of Moline, came about four days ago and he briefed them that searchers had been sifting through the waters, apparently looking for Stacy Peterson's body.

"I told them that we had a flood last September, it was the worst flood ever, it was knee-deep in the parking lot. I told them if you're going to find anything, it's probably going to be onshore, because of the flood," he said. "They'd be a big help and get some closure to this case if they came across something. I knew it was a long shot."

The body was not in the water, but was found in the brush on the shore, according to a state police source. Other bodies had been found in the area in the past, the source said, including the remains of the Vaughn family, which were found in a car on a frontage road near the Stevenson in Channahon Township in 2007.

Interesting. I hadn't seen this report yet so apologize if it's been posted.


Perhaps this means that this is an identified wash up place based on water drift patterns.

[AJandTam]

Hi Tam,
Here is a link to map where she was discovered. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=106176870359669717956.00046a6362049892fc3d7&ll=41.415018,-88.211047&spn=0.081876,0.125999&z=13

Now, it shows her body was found at the waters edge of the Des Plains conservation area. I thought I read that it was only accessable by water?

Would that be a place where one can enter by foot or car?

TIA

Does he have a boat?

[cog1]

What bars were Drew and Brodski hanging out in the beginning?

Anyone know?

[AJandTam]

Oh lordy. My mind just wouldn't go there. Dumb ?, sorry.

Sadly, you are right.

Not dumb.. Just like you said. Didn't really want to think about that and how horrible the condition of her body would be now..

[cog1]

Does he have a boat?


He had lots of toys but not sure about a boat. I think he would be wearing his Capt. Rogers hat and acting like the big CAPTIAN if he did. :mad:

But, I'm not sure!

[cog1]

I just heard on CNN that they said they would have the results in 48 to 72 hours. Perhaps sometime late tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully before the long weekend.:glare:

That sure would be good no matter who this is. Some family needs to know.