May 19 to .....

[Hope4Tori]

Good morning everbody!:seeya:

FYI: I posted these two LFP online articles in the links thread as well.

RE: RS - Dad searches for himself LFP online article May 19, 2009
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Loc...95601-sun.html

RE: TM - Mom battles inner self LFP online article May 19, 2009
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Loc...95611-sun.html

Have a happy day!


Hoping Tori will be rescued by LE today!:wub:

[justmy2cents]

Good morning everyone, i hope all my fellow canadians had a great long weekend....

Just caught up on all the posts over the weekend, wow you guys are awesome and this is the greatest forums i have ever participated in.

I hope the "PI" is fact, that is something I would have done since day 1 (although we really don't want the garbage that is going on in FL). I also hope that RS and TM have resolved their differences from Friday and continue to do pressers together. Now more then ever that family needs to be united.

My heart breaks for both of them as parents having to go through this as well as reliving their private history together in public, they aren't together for a reason and haven't had a great relationship since the split so personally I am surprised the blow up didn't happen sooner. Not only do neither of them have great people skills, (unfortunately you can tell they are uneducated.....), they both lack many common sense skills (JMO) and on top of being pushed into the limelight and having every word, gesture, just everything dissected would cause a melt down to a stable person. Thats the word i was looking for both RS and TM are unstable, emotionally, maturity, common sense.............

The sad thing to me is that they have been this way for their entire lives and it takes a tragedy for the community to finally see what kind of life they are living, where are the day to day people in the community who haven't stepped up. Teachers, doctors, cashiers at the local store, neighbours, come on you name it where were all the caring people then. Sorry i don't mean to rant but this case really kills me, it is so damn close to home and I know i wouldn't be okay in this situation.:cursing:

I guess what i am trying to say is that It does take a village to raise a child, and we as a society need to not have a tragidy (sp) to remind us of that. I'm not saying that this could have been prevented well actually yes I am saying that. These are the "What ifs" that we should be asking ourselves.......

Hoping today Tori comes home...........:wub::wub:

[Gugug]

Good morning everyone, i hope all my fellow canadians had a great long weekend....

Just caught up on all the posts over the weekend, wow you guys are awesome and this is the greatest forums i have ever participated in.

I hope the "PI" is fact, that is something I would have done since day 1 (although we really don't want the garbage that is going on in FL). I also hope that RS and TM have resolved their differences from Friday and continue to do pressers together. Now more then ever that family needs to be united.

My heart breaks for both of them as parents having to go through this as well as reliving their private history together in public, they aren't together for a reason and haven't had a great relationship since the split so personally I am surprised the blow up didn't happen sooner. Not only do neither of them have great people skills, (unfortunately you can tell they are uneducated.....), they both lack many common sense skills (JMO) and on top of being pushed into the limelight and having every word, gesture, just everything dissected would cause a melt down to a stable person. Thats the word i was looking for both RS and TM are unstable, emotionally, maturity, common sense.............

The sad thing to me is that they have been this way for their entire lives and it takes a tragedy for the community to finally see what kind of life they are living, where are the day to day people in the community who haven't stepped up. Teachers, doctors, cashiers at the local store, neighbours, come on you name it where were all the caring people then. Sorry i don't mean to rant but this case really kills me, it is so damn close to home and I know i wouldn't be okay in this situation.:cursing:

I guess what i am trying to say is that It does take a village to raise a child, and we as a society need to not have a tragidy (sp) to remind us of that. I'm not saying that this could have been prevented well actually yes I am saying that. These are the "What ifs" that we should be asking ourselves.......

Hoping today Tori comes home...........:wub::wub:

Don't lose faith. Maybe people did try to intervene. Maybe that is why the children spent time living elsewhere. Some families know exactly what they need to do to get around the laws that exist to protect children.

I am thinking of one such case in my child's school. A single parent went away to another province on a holiday and left two children in the care of a pre-teen, who was a wild child in his neighborhood. The youngest let the cat out of the bag. Social Services would not intervene, however, because the children were being "supervised" by an adult...who didn't live in the same city, and whose only role was as a phone number the parent left in case the kids got in trouble. Social Services said they would intervene only if the children were in immediate, life-threatening danger, such as a fire. I suppose one could argue that some severe situations are not immediate, life-threatening danger to a child, but that does not mean children should be in such situations. The teachers already knew the rules, and seemed unsurprised to hear about this family.

It's known in some towns that you don't mess with the "Jones" family, or you'll regret it. Sad for the children in such cases.

[Hope4Tori]

Good morning everyone, i hope all my fellow canadians had a great long weekend....

Just caught up on all the posts over the weekend, wow you guys are awesome and this is the greatest forums i have ever participated in.

I hope the "PI" is fact, that is something I would have done since day 1 (although we really don't want the garbage that is going on in FL). I also hope that RS and TM have resolved their differences from Friday and continue to do pressers together. Now more then ever that family needs to be united.

My heart breaks for both of them as parents having to go through this as well as reliving their private history together in public, they aren't together for a reason and haven't had a great relationship since the split so personally I am surprised the blow up didn't happen sooner. Not only do neither of them have great people skills, (unfortunately you can tell they are uneducated.....), they both lack many common sense skills (JMO) and on top of being pushed into the limelight and having every word, gesture, just everything dissected would cause a melt down to a stable person. Thats the word i was looking for both RS and TM are unstable, emotionally, maturity, common sense.............

The sad thing to me is that they have been this way for their entire lives and it takes a tragedy for the community to finally see what kind of life they are living, where are the day to day people in the community who haven't stepped up. Teachers, doctors, cashiers at the local store, neighbours, come on you name it where were all the caring people then. Sorry i don't mean to rant but this case really kills me, it is so damn close to home and I know i wouldn't be okay in this situation.:cursing:

I guess what i am trying to say is that It does take a village to raise a child, and we as a society need to not have a tragidy (sp) to remind us of that. I'm not saying that this could have been prevented well actually yes I am saying that. These are the "What ifs" that we should be asking ourselves.......

Hoping today Tori comes home...........:wub::wub:

WOW - Justmy2cents - Your post made me cry!! Honestly - how wonderful of you to have spoken these words because IMO, you touched upon a very necessary truth! As I get caught up in the analyses of all the conflicting information regarding the facts, rumours and the various characters, I sometimes feel as if I am reading a long and fascinating novel that never ends, but you are right, it is someone else's tragic reality, and I KNOW I would not be okay either in such a situation that these people have had thrust unmercilessly upon them. My skeletons require a large walk-in closet! (smile)

It is a challenge to stay above the temptation to be judgemental when trying to analyse the details to get to the truth in the hopes that perhaps some small thing may make a positive difference, but you are right, we as a society expend so much energy after the fact, while too often we ignore the warning signs and silent pleas for help because of our own discomfort, and therefore more attention should be paid before things go so terribly awry. We find safety in the luxury of distance in this situation, but unfortunately for Tori, and those closest to her, there is no safe place for them at the moment.

I do believe that we all have to take personal responsibility for our own actions, but we are all human, and for the most part we are all doing our best in our own private circumstances, some of which our out of our own control, and therefore it is essential to remember that everyone can use the benefit of the doubt, even in the presence of many!

THUMBS UP! Truly, thank you Justmy2cents, your post is worth a million and you made me feel the depth and tenderness of my own humanity today and you did it in a very impressive and memorable way! Thank you for the much needed refreshment for my ailing perspective!

Good for you!

May Tori be rescued and brought safely home today! Endless Hope and Love . . .

[Gugug]

Oxycontin knows no age boundaries:

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/crime/story/633751.html

[Gugug]

The question of cross-border travel is answered here. For some, apparently, it's easy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/20/national/20gena.html?pagewanted=all

I don't know why TM chose to announce that her best friend is half-Ojibway. I don't know why she said her brother lives on an Indian reserve (seems to have a house off-reserve). I don't know why it would be necessary to mention such things.

[Gugug]

Here's what is happening right here in Canada:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/8-7-10/73272.html

[juliekan]

Good morning everbody!:seeya:

FYI: I posted these two LFP online articles in the links thread as well.

RE: RS - Dad searches for himself LFP online article May 19, 2009
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Loc...95601-sun.html

RE: TM - Mom battles inner self LFP online article May 19, 2009
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Loc...95611-sun.html

Have a happy day!


Hoping Tori will be rescued by LE today!:wub:


I couldn't get these links to work, looks like they were updated or something in the last few minutes, try these:

Dad article: http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/05/19/9495601-sun.html

Mom article: http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/05/19/9495611-sun.html

[n/t]

1 pm presser. Will be the last one?

http://www.livestream.com/lfpress

[Gugug]

http://www.socialjusticejournal.org/pdf_free/98Ross.pdf

[Gugug]

I couldn't get these links to work, looks like they were updated or something in the last few minutes, try these:

Dad article: http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/05/19/9495601-sun.html

Mom article: http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/05/19/9495611-sun.html

Every time a gang member gets shot and killed where I live, the family says, "He was a good boy. He was turning his life around."

I have come to believe that they forget to complete the sentence. Don't they really mean, "He was turning his life around, but he hadn't done so yet, and so he was still in the thick of things."

That phrase has become meaningless to me.

[n/t]

Wow.....one microphone.

[streeter]

Wow.....one microphone.

I was just coming here to post that very thing. :scared:

[Lorelei]

I am sitting here waiting for the pc before going to work, PJ said that Randy the lead reported for the lfp will be talking to the ocps today, apparently they have been putting pressure on police for an update. However, he said this would only be later on this afternoon.

Hope we get some good news for Tori.

[streeter]

Rodney approaches door, knocks, and is let in.

[n/t]

I am sitting here waiting for the pc before going to work, PJ said that Randy the lead reported for the lfp will be talking to the ocps today, apparently they have been putting pressure on police for an update. However, he said this would only be later on this afternoon.

Hope we get some good news for Tori.

We need a police update!!!! :mad:

[n/t]

Reading the chat they said Mike Pobjoy is the Private Investigator.

This must be his company Focus 4D

http://www.focus4d.com/**/companyabout.php

[streeter]

Feed keeps cutting out. The first bit was cut out but seemed to be an apology from Tara and Rodney about Friday's debacle.

They are talking about the PI who has volunteered his services. Tara says she doesn't think he is from "Scotland Yard," I guess in relation to spec about the PI being LE.

He is doing it for free.

Tara says she and friends are going to borders, truck stops, little towns in vehicles hanging up posters, will continue doing events. She said "we put it up on Fbook, whoever wants to join."

Tara and Rodney haven't discussed it yet, but she thinks that they may do pressers once a week. Wants to go out with friends looking for Tori. Rodney says the daily commitment takes them away from looking for her.

Reporter thinks this suggests they are not confident with police efforts. They say it has nothing to do with that, they are just using whatever resources they can get.

Tara asks if they can use a VHS tape of Tori and can they put it on DVD (camcorder broke when Tori was 2), just so people can see more personal side of Victoria. So that people can see the way Tori walks, talks, dances, etc.

Is there a lot of footage of Tori's voice? Tara says not recent. She doesn't have a lot of recent video, but she has a DVD she has to look over of a school trip she was on, but not as recent.

Any theories? Tara says no. Same theory we've been running over for last 6 weeks. Someone we don't recognize, may know them, may not.

School policy on letting kids out? Tara thinks it's only grades 1 and 2 that must have someone pick child up.

Are any of her possessions missing? Tara says no. Rodney says just what she had with her. Tara says she brought stuff home everyday from school. She is asked if it's true that Tori thought she was going on vacation or told kids she was going on vacation. Tara says that's just a rumour. Rodney has wondered that, too, but he's leaving it to the police. Didn't want to go there and get worked up.

Tara shows picture of day Tori was born. Talks about huge grin on Daryn's face and how he called her his baby and he wanted to change her diapers. (All about Daryn!)

Talking about Ingersoll and London vigils. Ingersoll was "gorgeous," planted a tree, plaque, London was very hard because she and Rodney both have a song for each of the kids. Someone sang one of Tori's songs and Tara absolutely lost it. She cried a few weeks ago in the car when "baby got back" came on because Daryn would rap to it and Tori was the background singer.

Tara's song for Tori is "I hope you dance" and Rodney's is "You'll be in my heart."

Posting...will continue in new post

[streeter]

Tara and Rodney said the one distinctive thing about Tori is a tooth that is pointy and just coming through. Freckle on ear and up on top of forehead. (Daryn has the same freckle on same ear.) Rodney says her face, her eyes. Tara says her face is perfect heart-shaped.

Tori got Rodney's eye colour and Tara's eye shape. Rodney says 50% isn't bad, they laugh. Tara says they call them Little Rodney and Little Tara. Daryn is Rodney and Tori is Tara. Tara says "mini-me and mini-him." They laugh.

And they're done.

But then Tara comes out with the VHS and a bear. A little girl named Tori gave Tara the bear on the weekend. She brought it out to show it to Rodney.

Most definitely a different mood today than on Friday!

[n/t]

Tara and Rodney said the one distinctive thing about Tori is a tooth that is pointy and just coming through. Freckle on ear and up on top of forehead. (Daryn has the same freckle on same ear.) Rodney says her face, her eyes. Tara says her face is perfect heart-shaped.

Tori got Rodney's eye colour and Tara's eye shape. Rodney says 50% isn't bad, they laugh. Tara says they call them Little Rodney and Little Tara. Daryn is Rodney and Tori is Tara. Tara says "mini-me and mini-him." They laugh.

And they're done.

But then Tara comes out with the VHS and a bear. A little girl named Tori gave Tara the bear on the weekend. She brought it out to show it to Rodney.

Most definitely a different mood today than on Friday!


Thanks streeter!

I wish we had more about the investigation though. It's nice that they talk about Tori when she was a little baby but why aren't they at the police station DEMANDING answers!!

[Lorelei]

Good afternoon, all:seeya:

The brain's not quite engaged yet, Lorelei. What's ocps? Ontario Child Protective Services? Is that the same as CAS? tia

Oxford Community Police

[juliekan]

thanks Streeter :smile:

[Hope4Tori]

Feed keeps cutting out. Posting...will continue in new post May 19/09 p/c transcription by Streeter respectfully snipped by H4T

Hey Streeter! :thumbsup: Thanks for the details!!

I could only view the chat on my comupter until the very end when I could see TM chatting to the reporter and DS was riding his bike. My internet connection is of the lite variety - darn - but today even the side chat was interrupted and I missed serveral minutes of that as well. The moderator did comment that the p/c would be posted sometime later tonight.

Streeter, do you use some sort of computerized voice transription program or do you transcribe direct to your computer as you watch/listen to the p/cs? However you do it, it's baffles and amazes me that you can do it so fast and I thank you again for sharing your particular talent with us all!:smile:

May Tori be found alive and well today!:wub:

[Hope4Tori]

I couldn't get these links to work, looks like they were updated or something in the last few minutes, try these:

Dad article: http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/05/19/9495601-sun.html

Mom article: http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/05/19/9495611-sun.html


Hey Juliekan: Thank you :thumbsup: for adding your links for those who cannot access mine. I can access both yours and mine - but I never try to figure out how anything computer related actually works - that's a mystery to me now and I imagine always will be!:smile:

Wishing and hoping for a miracle for Tori today!:wub:

[north-eh]

Thanks to Streeter you did a great job. I wasn't able to watch it live so I'm just now catching up. I hope to view it when it's on demand later.
Sounds like they were more united today, they must have had a good chat over the weekend and realized that they couldn't get anything accomplished arguing back and forth, I'm glad to hear that at least.

Now....where is Tori??
N

[doctor_J]

Can someone post the link to the mogulus on demand site for today's pc? :blushing:

I've lost my bookmarks......again. @!$#$% useless worn-out harddrive!

[brooklinite]

On demand lfp videos here, Doctor j...

http://www.livestream.com/lfpress

Just heading there myself!

[n/t]

Can someone post the link to the mogulus on demand site for today's pc? :blushing:

I've lost my bookmarks......again. @!$#$% useless worn-out harddrive!

http://www.keyt.com/news/local/45365347.html

I haven't watched yet either. Going to now.

[n/t]

WTH did the reporter come up with Scotland Yard? :rolleyes:

[Gugug]

Can someone post the link to the mogulus on demand site for today's pc? :blushing:

I've lost my bookmarks......again. @!$#$% useless worn-out harddrive!

Feeling much the same way...

[Gugug]

Tara and Rodney said the one distinctive thing about Tori is a tooth that is pointy and just coming through. Freckle on ear and up on top of forehead. (Daryn has the same freckle on same ear.) Rodney says her face, her eyes. Tara says her face is perfect heart-shaped.

Tori got Rodney's eye colour and Tara's eye shape. Rodney says 50% isn't bad, they laugh. Tara says they call them Little Rodney and Little Tara. Daryn is Rodney and Tori is Tara. Tara says "mini-me and mini-him." They laugh.

And they're done.

But then Tara comes out with the VHS and a bear. A little girl named Tori gave Tara the bear on the weekend. She brought it out to show it to Rodney.

Most definitely a different mood today than on Friday!

Makes me wonder if they've been coached. But it is good to see Tori being humanized. They're behaving more like parents now, instead of what we saw last week.

[n/t]

I've never heard of a child cleaning out their desk and carry all the books home. Sorry. Never.

Also, now it's grades 1 & 2 that are checked to ensure the children are picked up and not grade 3.

Nobody's talked to the teachers, the school about the rumour? ARRGH Good grief! Rodney hasn't even met with the teacher or principal.


:angry:

[doctor_J]

On demand lfp videos here, Doctor j...

http://www.livestream.com/lfpress

Just heading there myself!

It's just not my day. I'm so embarrassed to have to ask this. I can't find an On Demand button on this link. I've had this problem before on a similar link. There's no grey band with an On Demand button and it doesn' t take you to a date site if you type ON Demand into the search. No choices below video except favorites and facebook, etc.

Anyone know what I"m talking about? Still haven't seen the pc.

[doctor_J]

I've never heard of a child cleaning out their desk and carry all the books home. Sorry. Never.

Also, now it's grades 1 & 2 that are checked to ensure the children are picked up and not grade 3.

Nobody's talked to the teachers, the school about the rumour? ARRGH Good grief! Rodney hasn't even met with the teacher or principal.


:angry:

Surely, LE had interviewed EVERY teacher and principle, more than once.

[n/t]

It's just not my day. I'm so embarrassed to have to ask this. I can't find an On Demand button on this link. I've had this problem before on a similar link. There's no grey band with an On Demand button and it doesn' t take you to a date site if you type ON Demand into the search. No choices below video except favorites and facebook, etc.

Anyone know what I"m talking about? Still haven't seen the pc.

You should see a button that says ON DEMAND right next to the ON AIR.


I just realized I posted the wrong link earlier. That's what happens when you're following more than one case and you have 10 links going.:blushing:

[n/t]

Surely, LE had interviewed EVERY teacher and principle, more than once.

Yes but as a parent wouldn't you want to know for yourself? Who knows the child better than their own parent? I would go and check every single thing in case there's something that was missed, a clue, a pencil or a notebook that belonged to my child. Her desk, locker, where she came out from, where she was headed with the abductor, etc . I'd also call every parent who had children in her class. Ask to see the attendance list. Ask to speak to the guidance counselor.

But hey, that's just me.

What's Rodney so busy with? He's not working. He suspended his classes for a while. Seriously. What do they do all day?

[doctor_J]

You should see a button that says ON DEMAND right next to the ON AIR.


I just realized I posted the wrong link earlier. That's what happens when you're following more than one case and you have 10 links going.:blushing:

That's what I'm trying to say. There's no On Demand or On Air or grey band beneath the video screen. When I had this same problem before I tried a new link and it was right there as described. I'm missing something obvious here. Most times I go a link that looks the same except it has those buttons.

[doctor_J]

Yes but as a parent wouldn't you want to know for yourself? Who knows the child better than their own parent? I would go and check every single thing in case there's something that was missed, a clue, a pencil or a notebook that belonged to my child. Her desk, locker, where she came out from, where she was headed with the abductor, etc . I'd also call every parent who had children in her class. Ask to see the attendance list. Ask to speak to the guidance counselor.

But hey, that's just me.

What's Rodney so busy with? He's not working. He suspended his classes for a while. Seriously. What do they do all day?

Not to mention being at school at dismissal time to talk to every parent that picked up a kid that day and might have seen Tori.

[n/t]

That's what I'm trying to say. There's no On Demand or On Air or grey band beneath the video screen. When I had this same problem before I tried a new link and it was right there as described. I'm missing something obvious here. Most times I go a link that looks the same except it has those buttons.

That's odd. I just tried again and the buttons show up. :shrug:

[Gugug]

I've never heard of a child cleaning out their desk and carry all the books home. Sorry. Never.

Also, now it's grades 1 & 2 that are checked to ensure the children are picked up and not grade 3.

Nobody's talked to the teachers, the school about the rumour? ARRGH Good grief! Rodney hasn't even met with the teacher or principal.


:angry:

Nobody checks who picks up a child after school at my child's school. They monitor people who pick up a child from school during the day. They monitor people who pick up children who are supposed to ride the school bus. Advance permission must be given if the child is not taking the bus as usual. Children who ride the bus must be met at the bus if they are in kindergarten or Grade One. Those children will be taken back to the school if no one arrives at the stop.

At the end of the day? No. It's the parent's responsibility to ensure the safety of children. Schools and school districts set their own policies on these things.

[doctor_J]

That's odd. I just tried again and the buttons show up. :shrug:

Can we try this ---- just post me a new link. TIA,

[n/t]

Not to mention being at school at dismissal time to talk to every parent that picked up a kid that day and might have seen Tori.

EXACTLY! I honestly don't see what they've done to find her. Now, after 6 weeks, Tara decides she will ride along with her friends to put up posters and check borders? WTH is she talking about? Check borders? GET THE COPS TO ISSUE AN AMBER ALERT AND CONTACT BORDER CONTROL OFFICERS. GET IN THEIR FACES EVERY SINGLE DAY AND DEMAND TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING!

It may be too late, Tara. This should've been done weeks ago. I'm so frustrated and disgusted.

I'm sorry but I'm getting some very weird vibes and I can't post them here.

[n/t]

Can we try this ---- just post me a new link. TIA,

Here you go. Hope it works

http://www.livestream.com/lfpress

[doctor_J]

EXACTLY! I honestly don't see what they've done to find her. Now, after 6 weeks, Tara decides she will ride along with her friends to put up posters and check borders? WTH is she talking about? Check borders? GET THE COPS TO ISSUE AN AMBER ALERT AND CONTACT BORDER CONTROL OFFICERS. GET IN THEIR FACES EVERY SINGLE DAY AND DEMAND TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING!

It may be too late, Tara. This should've been done weeks ago. I'm so frustrated and disgusted.

I'm sorry but I'm getting some very weird vibes and I can't post them here.

Exactly. A normal, innocent person would have moved heaven and earth in the hours and days immediately following 3:45 pm. Witness the Holloway family, Mark Klass and Ed Smart. There's so much stinky here.

[n/t]

Nobody checks who picks up a child after school at my child's school. They monitor people who pick up a child from school during the day. They monitor people who pick up children who are supposed to ride the school bus. Advance permission must be given if the child is not taking the bus as usual. Children who ride the bus must be met at the bus if they are in kindergarten or Grade One. Those children will be taken back to the school if no one arrives at the stop.

At the end of the day? No. It's the parent's responsibility to ensure the safety of children. Schools and school districts set their own policies on these things.

She's contradicting what she said. She said only 3 people were allowed to pick up Tori but now she's saying the grade 3 students are allowed to go off on their own. I'm not buying it. Why she continues to do this is beyond me but if rumours are started it's all because of her and you know what, I'm beginning to think maybe these so called rumours are indeed true.

I've come to the point where I don't believe a word she says and she hasn't done a thing so far to convince me.

What is a video of Tori's baby shower, her birth and her first birthday going to do to help find her??? This again is about Tara.

[doctor_J]

Nope. No buttons for On Demand. Nothing but viewing statistics and buttons for favorites and facebook, share video.

SOOOO frustrating..........Serenity NOW!!!!!

[n/t]

Nope. No buttons for On Demand. Nothing but viewing statistics and buttons for favorites and facebook, share video.

SOOOO frustrating..........Serenity NOW!!!!!

:sad:

Wonder why?

[north-eh]

I've never heard of a child cleaning out their desk and carry all the books home. Sorry. Never.

Also, now it's grades 1 & 2 that are checked to ensure the children are picked up and not grade 3.

Nobody's talked to the teachers, the school about the rumour? ARRGH Good grief! Rodney hasn't even met with the teacher or principal.


:angry:

Hi n/t I'm just logging on and saw your post and wanted to make a quick comment. I said the same thing when I heard that response. They haven't even spoken to the teacher about who picked up Tori yet???
Do you mean to tell me that they have yet to go to the school to ask who may have been there to pick up Tori?? I must have heard that wrong, tell me I did please! :cursing:

N

[doctor_J]

She's contradicting what she said. She said only 3 people were allowed to pick up Tori but now she's saying the grade 3 students are allowed to go off on their own. I'm not buying it. Why she continues to do this is beyond me but if rumours are started it's all because of her and you know what, I'm beginning to think maybe these so called rumours are indeed true.

I've come to the point where I don't believe a word she says and she hasn't done a thing so far to convince me.

What is a video of Tori's baby shower, her birth and her first birthday going to do to help find her??? This again is about Tara.

OOOOOO, I so agree. The only photos we need are the most recent still photos, the most recent video showing movement and gait characteristics and the most recent audio recordings. That's IT.

What do we need with baby pictures????

Is she trying to prove she was a good mother???? Why????

[doctor_J]

:sad:

Wonder why?

Happened before and someone (who was it?) knew exactly what was wrong. Sent me a new link and presto!! :confused:!

Makes me want to scream. Calm down blood pressure. This is not healthy. I'm pouting because I can't watch the pc.........:angry:

[n/t]

Hi n/t I'm just logging on and saw your post and wanted to make a quick comment. I said the same thing when I heard that response. They haven't even spoken to the teacher about who picked up Tori yet???
Do you mean to tell me that they have yet to go to the school to ask who may have been there to pick up Tori?? I must have heard that wrong, tell me I did please! :cursing:

N

Tara did say she went to a parent/teacher meeting. That's when she apparently picked up the school pictures, remember? But now I question whether or not she went or Daryn brought the photos home. We know Rodney didn't go to the school. He admitted it today. He said <paraphrasing> there was no need because he was sure the police did and he didn't want to blow up or something like that.

Alrighty then.

[brooklinite]

Nope. No buttons for On Demand. Nothing but viewing statistics and buttons for favorites and facebook, share video.

SOOOO frustrating..........Serenity NOW!!!!!

Hmmm...mine is fine, wish I knew what to tell you! You didn't see a message along the lines of "Can't find frequency, please try again" did you?

[north-eh]

Hey doctor_J give this link a whirl, good luck.
http://www.livestream.com/lfpress/ondemand/pla_966420300044447646?initthumburl=http://mogulus-user-files.s3.amazonaws.com/chv2lfpress/2009/05/19/1af1b939-33b7-4701-8b09-a241566a0b3b_800.jpg&playeraspectwidth=4&playeraspectheight=3
N

[n/t]

OOOOOO, I so agree. The only photos we need are the most recent still photos, the most recent video showing movement and gait characteristics and the most recent audio recordings. That's IT.

What do we need with baby pictures????

Is she trying to prove she was a good mother???? Why????


She couldn't remember if she had any with audio. Both were like confused as to why the reporter was even asking. Then Tara remembered that she may have a more recent video of Tori on a field trip but she didn't have time to look at it yet.

She did bring out a photo of Tori as a newborn though. :huh:

[brooklinite]

Hi n/t I'm just logging on and saw your post and wanted to make a quick comment. I said the same thing when I heard that response. They haven't even spoken to the teacher about who picked up Tori yet???
Do you mean to tell me that they have yet to go to the school to ask who may have been there to pick up Tori?? I must have heard that wrong, tell me I did please! :cursing:

N

ITA. In this position, I believe I would have been throwing a fit at the school on April 8th, refusing to be satisfied until the people responsible for after-school dismissal answered my questions, even if that meant they had to come back to work. I'm sure (or at least, I hope!) that police have exhausted that front, but as a parent, I would've insisted to speaking to anyone and everyone that might have been there at that time.

I don't get it. Things just feel more 'off' by the day, but still no news...

[north-eh]

Tara did say she went to a parent/teacher meeting. That's when she apparently picked up the school pictures, remember? But now I question whether or not she went or Daryn brought the photos home. We know Rodney didn't go to the school. He admitted it today. He said <paraphrasing> there was no need because he was sure the police did and he didn't want to blow up or something like that.

Alrighty then.

Yes Rodney said and I'm paraphrasing here, that he was leaving all of that to the investigation, he figured they would check it out?????
I'm with you here. Thing is I'm not getting very good vibes from either of them to tell you the truth.
No this is just not sitting right with me. It feels worse than ever, something is not rihgt. I know that's an understatement. KWIM?
N

[n/t]

Yes Rodney said and I'm paraphrasing here, that he was leaving all of that to the investigation, he figured they would check it out?????
I'm with you here. Thing is I'm not getting very good vibes from either of them to tell you the truth.
No this is just not sitting right with me. It feels worse than ever, something is not rihgt. I know that's an understatement. KWIM?
N

It's not sitting right with me either. There was a specific point in the PC where I got chills down my spine and maybe I'm reading too much into it so I can't say right now.

Why wasn't Daryn at school? Anybody know if it's an extra day off from school for the kids in Woodstock? I'd love to get my hands on their attendance record.:sneaky:

[doctor_J]

Hey doctor_J give this link a whirl, good luck.
http://www.livestream.com/lfpress/ondemand/pla_966420300044447646?initthumburl=http://mogulus-user-files.s3.amazonaws.com/chv2lfpress/2009/05/19/1af1b939-33b7-4701-8b09-a241566a0b3b_800.jpg&playeraspectwidth=4&playeraspectheight=3
N

Yes!!!Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

brooklinite--no I got the if site, everything but the buttons in the grey strip at the bottom. I can't make sense of it.

[nothingnew]

There sure is a lack of urgency with these people isn't there? Does anyone have any more info on Tori saying she was going on a vacation? And she cleaned out her desk? Anyone confirm that yet? I still am sticking with the theory that Tara and cohorts shipped Tori off as a means of getting sympathy cash from the public. The baby pictures are ridiculous. In my opinion tara got an earful this weekend when she was posting on fb and she is trying to make herself seem more normal. Over a month after the fact and she is going to go post flyers? Coincidence that she was continuosly asked why she wasn't out there searching and voila, there she goes, driving around with friends looking for her baby, fgs! This is her youngest child, to most mommies wouldn't that be your "baby" until you had another child? What I am getting at is that I am annoyed with the way she has to drag her son in He is not missing-he's playing video games and checking out the internet so apparently he's ok for now, so why not focus on TORI, totally focus on her and finding her now. Nothing against the boy but his sister is missing, could the media just refer to him as her brother rather than try to make a tragic celebrity of this minor child? Hope Tori is found soon but as far as her "coming home", would that really be in her best interest?
that's it, rant over.

[n/t]

There sure is a lack of urgency with these people isn't there? Does anyone have any more info on Tori saying she was going on a vacation? And she cleaned out her desk? Anyone confirm that yet? I still am sticking with the theory that Tara and cohorts shipped Tori off as a means of getting sympathy cash from the public. The baby pictures are ridiculous. In my opinion tara got an earful this weekend when she was posting on fb and she is trying to make herself seem more normal. Over a month after the fact and she is going to go post flyers? Coincidence that she was continuosly asked why she wasn't out there searching and voila, there she goes, driving around with friends looking for her baby, fgs! This is her youngest child, to most mommies wouldn't that be your "baby" until you had another child? What I am getting at is that I am annoyed with the way she has to drag her son in He is not missing-he's playing video games and checking out the internet so apparently he's ok for now, so why not focus on TORI, totally focus on her and finding her now. Nothing against the boy but his sister is missing, could the media just refer to him as her brother rather than try to make a tragic celebrity of this minor child? Hope Tori is found soon but as far as her "coming home", would that really be in her best interest?
that's it, rant over.


The rumour about the vacation was brought up at the PC today. She said it was a rumour but then goes on to say that Tori always cleaned out her desk. Take that for what it's worth. That's why I posted earlier that perhaps these so called rumours actually have some reality in them.

The baby photos and videos are very disturbing, psychologically speaking. They won't help find Tori but they somehow bring comfort to Tara.

[north-eh]

The rumour about the vacation was brought up at the PC today. She said it was a rumour but then goes on to say that Tori always cleaned out her desk. Take that for what it's worth. That's why I posted earlier that perhaps these so called rumours actually have some reality in them.

The baby photos and videos are very disturbing, psychologically speaking. They won't help find Tori but they somehow bring comfort to Tara.

Yes n/t I got the feeling we were going backwards today in the presser, it was very strange.
I just don't know. I find Tara is very uncomfortable when asked questions about Tori, she clears her throat a lot. I know that sounds corney but I've noticed she does it whenever she's asked a question about her, it's very unsettleing.
N

[doctor_J]

OK, watched the video.

Rodney is either just a big old ignoramus, good ole boy, red neck, stand back when he's drunk or playing with his new gun, Every Man who's doing whatever is necessary to get along with Tara for Tori's sake or...... he's just a big ole ignoramus. But I don't see any indication of guilty knowledge. I think he might even feel guilty about being suspicious of Tara.

I get the feeling he has to study hard for school and I think I know why he is in high school at 30 something. Other than that, I have a hard time finding fault with him. I think he needs someone to tell him what to do and he'd be fine. He's not capable of a lot of brainstorming on his own. I think it would never do to let him personally get his hands on a pedophile in possession of Tori. Thankfully, I don't believe his mind has ventured into some of the areas that mine has gone in my suspicions of Tara.

Tara, on the other hand, is deliberately manipulative. She's got much more gray matter to work with also. She's practically holding a memorial for Tori every time she gets in front of the camera and soooo much wants to be the grieving victim. Rodney is putty in her hands. It's only when he gets away from her and starts talking to others that her realizes he's been snookered and gets angry. It's a huge inconvenience for Tara to have to be in front of the media at an appointed time each day. She can't sleep in when she's had a been night of cold sweats or cravings or even staying up all night chasing the dragon. Now that she's "come clean" she could take off the shades but it makes her uneasy. She's a little uncomfortable knowing the eyes give away the soul.

Did Tara ever say on FB where she got the computer? She didn't go long without one. I expected that, she's just as addicted to it as opium.

Boy, I'm really hard on Tara, aren't I? Well, that's the way I see it. So be it. I can admit I'm wrong latter if necessary.. It's been nearly 6 weeks, something grievous had happened to Tori and an outrageous crime has been committed. Nothing the mother with custody has said or done makes sense.

The cops claim have a definite id on the child in the video but can't definitively id the woman who's nearer the camera?? Can't even nail down her height and weight?? She's just a child abductor who disguises herself as the child's mother?? I don't buy it.

The cops need a body. They don't have evidence of a crime. They know there's been a crime and they know who did it. They suspect what it was. But that alone won't make a case. Hope that computer and cell phone yields a gold mine but I think Tara is smart enough to get rid of the old hard drive and sim card.

[doctor_J]

Oh and remember. This child abductor looked and acted so much like Tara and Tori behaved so normally around her that none of the parents or teachers noticed anything amiss. In fact, they noticed nothing at all and apparently had no reason to remember it. Wonder if Daryn saw or spoke to her that day at school?

[north-eh]

OK, watched the video.

Rodney is either just a big old ignoramus, good ole boy, red neck, stand back when he's drunk or playing with his new gun, Every Man who's doing whatever is necessary to get along with Tara for Tori's sake or...... he's just a big ole ignoramus. But I don't see any indication of guilty knowledge. I think he might even feel guilty about being suspicious of Tara.

I get the feeling he has to study hard for school and I think I know why he is in high school at 30 something. Other than that, I have a hard time finding fault with him. I think he needs someone to tell him what to do and he'd be fine. He's not capable of a lot of brainstorming on his own. I think it would never do to let him personally get his hands on a pedophile in possession of Tori. Thankfully, I don't believe his mind has ventured into some of the areas that mine has gone in my suspicions of Tara.

Tara, on the other hand, is deliberately manipulative. She's got much more gray matter to work with also. She's practically holding a memorial for Tori every time she gets in front of the camera and soooo much wants to be the grieving victim. Rodney is putty in her hands. It's only when he gets away from her and starts talking to others that her realizes he's been snookered and gets angry. It's a huge inconvenience for Tara to have to be in front of the media at an appointed time each day. She can't sleep in when she's had a been night of cold sweats or cravings or even staying up all night chasing the dragon. Now that she's "come clean" she could take off the shades but it makes her uneasy. She's a little uncomfortable knowing the eyes give away the soul.

Did Tara ever say on FB where she got the computer? She didn't go long without one. I expected that, she's just as addicted to it as opium.

Boy, I'm really hard on Tara, aren't I? Well, that's the way I see it. So be it. I can admit I'm wrong latter if necessary.. It's been nearly 6 weeks, something grievous had happened to Tori and an outrageous crime has been committed. Nothing the mother with custody has said or done makes sense.

The cops claim have a definite id on the child in the video but can't definitively id the woman who's nearer the camera?? Can't even nail down her height and weight?? She's just a child abductor who disguises herself as the child's mother?? I don't buy it.

The cops need a body. They don't have evidence of a crime. They know there's been a crime and they know who did it. They suspect what it was. But that alone won't make a case. Hope that computer and cell phone yields a gold mine but I think Tara is smart enough to get rid of the old hard drive and sim card.

doctor_J ITA agree with your thoughts here. I'm wondering too if they are still searching the landfill? This is one reason why we need to hear from the OPP.
If they weren't suspecting Tara in this you would think they would come out and tell the public they have been cleared and that they have moved their investigation in another direction.
They have not so this leads me to believe they do in fact suspect Tara and today's presser must have put up some hug red flags because it did for some of us. :sad:
N

[justmy2cents]

Nice post drj, it is nice to share views..........:thumbsup:

[doctor_J]

Apparently the OPP and local LE are devoid of leaks like we always have in the States. You'd think the media would report on any searching. They can't hide that. It takes a long time to search a landfill. Remember Lori Hacking?

[doctor_J]

Is there anyone that thinks Tara is totally innocent and ignorant of Tara's whereabouts? Anyone that's followed the case and observed her? I'd like to hear a convincing argument for that. I don't like what I think about this mother.

[Amy]

There sure is a lack of urgency with these people isn't there? Does anyone have any more info on Tori saying she was going on a vacation? And she cleaned out her desk? Anyone confirm that yet? I still am sticking with the theory that Tara and cohorts shipped Tori off as a means of getting sympathy cash from the public. The baby pictures are ridiculous. In my opinion tara got an earful this weekend when she was posting on fb and she is trying to make herself seem more normal. Over a month after the fact and she is going to go post flyers? Coincidence that she was continuosly asked why she wasn't out there searching and voila, there she goes, driving around with friends looking for her baby, fgs! This is her youngest child, to most mommies wouldn't that be your "baby" until you had another child? What I am getting at is that I am annoyed with the way she has to drag her son in He is not missing-he's playing video games and checking out the internet so apparently he's ok for now, so why not focus on TORI, totally focus on her and finding her now. Nothing against the boy but his sister is missing, could the media just refer to him as her brother rather than try to make a tragic celebrity of this minor child? Hope Tori is found soon but as far as her "coming home", would that really be in her best interest?
that's it, rant over.

I could swear I read about Tara whining about what people write on message boards and social sites. Because, you know Daryn might read there and it would upset him, yada yada yada. Of course, AS THE PARENT Tara could supervise Daryn when he is on the computer and see to it that he DIDN't go there (because it seems she is home most the time.)

So, I would think she would want to shield Daryn from other things, too. Like tv and newspaper reports and photos and all. Let him stay in the house and play his video games, let him try to do things that are as normal for him as they can be without Tori being there. Or, better yet, why not have him stay with Grandma--who does not seem to be in the media. That way Tara could turn all her attention to getting out to search for Tori, to put up posters and whatnot without having to worry about Daryn being alone or getting on the computer without her there to supervise.

But she does seem to talk out of both sides of the mouth on this issue. Either she wants Daryn shielded as much as she can, or she wants him to be "out there." One of the statements I read, I think when she showed Tori's school pic, she should have brought out Daryn's too, something about so much attention focused on Tori, and she didn't want him to feel ignored, or something like that.

[Amy]

OK, watched the video.

Rodney is either just a big old ignoramus, good ole boy, red neck, stand back when he's drunk or playing with his new gun, Every Man who's doing whatever is necessary to get along with Tara for Tori's sake or...... he's just a big ole ignoramus. But I don't see any indication of guilty knowledge. I think he might even feel guilty about being suspicious of Tara.

I get the feeling he has to study hard for school and I think I know why he is in high school at 30 something. Other than that, I have a hard time finding fault with him. I think he needs someone to tell him what to do and he'd be fine. He's not capable of a lot of brainstorming on his own. I think it would never do to let him personally get his hands on a pedophile in possession of Tori. Thankfully, I don't believe his mind has ventured into some of the areas that mine has gone in my suspicions of Tara.

Tara, on the other hand, is deliberately manipulative. She's got much more gray matter to work with also. She's practically holding a memorial for Tori every time she gets in front of the camera and soooo much wants to be the grieving victim. Rodney is putty in her hands. It's only when he gets away from her and starts talking to others that her realizes he's been snookered and gets angry. It's a huge inconvenience for Tara to have to be in front of the media at an appointed time each day. She can't sleep in when she's had a been night of cold sweats or cravings or even staying up all night chasing the dragon. Now that she's "come clean" she could take off the shades but it makes her uneasy. She's a little uncomfortable knowing the eyes give away the soul.

Did Tara ever say on FB where she got the computer? She didn't go long without one. I expected that, she's just as addicted to it as opium.

Boy, I'm really hard on Tara, aren't I? Well, that's the way I see it. So be it. I can admit I'm wrong latter if necessary.. It's been nearly 6 weeks, something grievous had happened to Tori and an outrageous crime has been committed. Nothing the mother with custody has said or done makes sense.

The cops claim have a definite id on the child in the video but can't definitively id the woman who's nearer the camera?? Can't even nail down her height and weight?? She's just a child abductor who disguises herself as the child's mother?? I don't buy it.

The cops need a body. They don't have evidence of a crime. They know there's been a crime and they know who did it. They suspect what it was. But that alone won't make a case. Hope that computer and cell phone yields a gold mine but I think Tara is smart enough to get rid of the old hard drive and sim card.

I think it was in a link to FB or MySpace that I took where a friend was posting about the computer being taken, and telling Tara to just ask any of her friends, cuz they would see to it that she could borrow one. Altho, why it was posted on the computer, when Tara seemingly had no ACCESS to a computer--so how could she read that? I also tho't, well, geesh, any of her friends could have CALLED her to offer up a computer. Maybe it was a message to other people--like we tho't that since her computer was taken, she'd never get access again. Or someone who wanted to make sure everyone reading knew that Tara has friends. Which is stupid, because just reading other things. people know Tara has FRIENDS.

Anyway, I am sure she took someone up on the offer of a computer rather quickly.

[nothingnew]

The rumour about the vacation was brought up at the PC today. She said it was a rumour but then goes on to say that Tori always cleaned out her desk. Take that for what it's worth. That's why I posted earlier that perhaps these so called rumours actually have some reality in them.

The baby photos and videos are very disturbing, psychologically speaking. They won't help find Tori but they somehow bring comfort to Tara.

Thanks, I am listening to their press conference now. Wonder who the PI is? Listening about the searches. Just odd.

[Amy]

Is there anyone that thinks Tara is totally innocent and ignorant of Tara's whereabouts? Anyone that's followed the case and observed her? I'd like to hear a convincing argument for that. I don't like what I think about this mother.

I just think she acts rather "different" than what I would expect a mom whose daughter is missing would act. I can see getting in front of the cameras to beg for her return (has she done that--spoken to whomever took her baby?) but to day after day show pictures and share memories? I can see family and friends, as they are together, consoling each other, bouncing ideas about who could have taken her to say, hey!! Remember when Tori said this or did that? But to do that @ daily pc's? That just seems rather odd.

And to JUST NOW decide to help put up posters. After all this time, are there places left to put them up? Well, I guess some might need replenished, if they were outside--blown away or tattered, etc. But, since she wasn't prostrate in her home with worry and fear, one would think she would have been doing this long ago. IMO.

Wonder why she is talking about the border? Is this something that has been on her mind since the get-go, and did she share with LE why she would think Tori would have been taken across the border? Maybe she's talked about that before, but I don't recall seeing anything about it.

[Orleaner12]

Great posts tonight..

I am positive that Tara is behind this...

I am sure it wasn't because of Rodney wanting custody, why would he, he doesn't have a job not two nickels to rub together, no known address other than maybe bunking down with family or his latest squeeze.. he hasn't been in their lives for eons and I don't think he was about to start now..

I am sure it was Tara in video with Tori...but I am puzzled about how they identified her, as that child's clothing and face are as blury as the one in white coat... of course it was Tara who identified Tori...

I am sure this was done as a scam in order to bleed the sympathetic for $$$$$

I am sure Tara had an accomplice with auto waiting around the corner (her best friend?)

I don't think Tori was with family..a friend more than likely..

I do think that some of the rumours have a basis..

I think the remaining reporters are sucking up to her big time in order to get the big scoop for ratings...I don't think she is fooling them..

I think the plan was to hide her out for awhile thinking this would just go no further than the area and was shocked that Rodney's family became involved after all this time...that she wasn't expecting..

If the child emptied her desk that day and told her friends she was going on a vacation it could very well be true...If so, I would bet that she was told by her Mother not to mention anything to her teacher but as a child she couldn't keep it from her close friends... I think Tara and Rodney are too embarrassed to speak to any of the teachers and who knows maybe the teachers have been asked by the police not to divulge any info to Tara or Rodney...

Bottom line is...things got way out of hand once the media picked up on it and Rodney's family banded together in their efforts, somthing that was not anticipated by Tara... either Tori is still alive somewhere or else she was done away with....I feel we will not see a happy ending to this... this was a money scam and it went dreadfully wrong......

[Orleaner12]

Thanks, I am listening to their press conference now. Wonder who the PI is? Listening about the searches. Just odd.


the PI is someone who volunteered his services...not sure how that would go down with the police but I guess it is the family's option..I doubt if Tara would have wanted that but she may have been outnumbered by the other side... or maybe it is being done to "trip her up"....

[doctor_J]

I think that now that Tara has accepted that she is Not going to to get what she wants from these pcs this case is about to disappear. This thread and similar ones around the web will die of starvation and Tori will just be a statistic.

Maybe Tara's a genious and pulled off the perfect crime, just without achieving any desirable fame, fortune, book deals or lifetime movies. I really don't know if she planned it or if something went terribly wrong with her drug affairs but I don't have any hope of this child being successfully hidden for this long. Maybe a baby could be hidden but not an 8 yr. old. I doubt Tara has any strong connections with someone in the great wilderness of the North. By now an accomplice would be demanding their share of the proceeds and Tori would be "found" if she were alive.

I hope the OPP saves the day by bringing justice for Tori Stafford. The deck was stacked against her but she could have been the one to break the cycle of dysfunction and achieve great and positive things for the world. I think I empathized with her in some way and became too invested with her recovery.

[Orleaner12]

did anyone catch what Rodney said in the PC today when they were talking about winding down the PC's...he said something to the effect that he needed to get back to a normal daily routine...wonder what a normal routine day is for someone like him who does not work...maybe the 1PM PC is cutting into his sleep time......

[Amy]

Great posts tonight..

I am positive that Tara is behind this...

I am sure it wasn't because of Rodney wanting custody, why would he, he doesn't have a job not two nickels to rub together, no known address other than maybe bunking down with family or his latest squeeze.. he hasn't been in their lives for eons and I don't think he was about to start now..

I am sure it was Tara in video with Tori...but I am puzzled about how they identified her, as that child's clothing and face are as blury as the one in white coat... of course it was Tara who identified Tori...

I am sure this was done as a scam in order to bleed the sympathetic for $$$$$

I am sure Tara had an accomplice with auto waiting around the corner (her best friend?)

I don't think Tori was with family..a friend more than likely..

I do think that some of the rumours have a basis..

I think the remaining reporters are sucking up to her big time in order to get the big scoop for ratings...I don't think she is fooling them..

I think the plan was to hide her out for awhile thinking this would just go no further than the area and was shocked that Rodney's family became involved after all this time...that she wasn't expecting..

If the child emptied her desk that day and told her friends she was going on a vacation it could very well be true...If so, I would bet that she was told by her Mother not to mention anything to her teacher but as a child she couldn't keep it from her close friends... I think Tara and Rodney are too embarrassed to speak to any of the teachers and who knows maybe the teachers have been asked by the police not to divulge any info to Tara or Rodney...

Bottom line is...things got way out of hand once the media picked up on it and Rodney's family banded together in their efforts, somthing that was not anticipated by Tara... either Tori is still alive somewhere or else she was done away with....I feel we will not see a happy ending to this... this was a money scam and it went dreadfully wrong......

I hope and pray this is what happened, that Tori is somewhere with protective people, thinking she is "on vacation" and that she is having a good time.

Well, there are some kinks in that scenario. The person harboring Tori would be in big deep do-do, so s/he might get crazy and decide s/he has to do away w/Tori. Or, perhaps she was sent on vacation far enough away that there is no news coverage of this case? Is it all over Canada? The reason I ask is that most of these cases, I only hear about on-line, they aren't even all on NG or GVS, and of course, my local news. But, that would be taking a chance for it to not be aired.

But, it seems that Tori knew she wasn't going home that night, or back to school in the near future. She had to have gotten the idea of vacation from somewhere. It would be a very long stretch for her to think that up on her own, and then there just happen to be a lady who took her after school.

[streeter]

May 19/09 p/c transcription by Streeter respectfully snipped by H4T

Hey Streeter! :thumbsup: Thanks for the details!!

Streeter, do you use some sort of computerized voice transription program or do you transcribe direct to your computer as you watch/listen to the p/cs? However you do it, it's baffles and amazes me that you can do it so fast and I thank you again for sharing your particular talent with us all!:smile:



Hi, H4T! No, nothing high-tech. Just me and my fingers. :thumbsup:

[WoodstockMOM]

Hi everyone. I'm new to this site but have followed this case in reading since late April. I also follow the other message boards out there including some from FB.

I feel an urgency to write the following. Moreso because I live in Woodstock and most of you don't.

Let me give you a sense of what it's like here these days. Bear with me...It's coming from a personal look

Prior to April 8th, my 8 year old daughter was permitted to ride her bike to visit friends who lived a block away. I have also on occassion been known to allow her to ride her bike with her friends to a nearby park. In doing so, they ride their bike one block on a not so busy street....they then cross over a very busy street WITHOUT lights and then continue 2 blocks on the busy street to the park. My daughter rides a bus to school but walks 2 blocks to her bus stop. This year she has been walking this alone however I can see her most of the way through my windows. Her bus stop is at a busy street corner. Rules were laxed around here for the most part. Always knew where she was, who she was with but allowed her freedom to go. We know our neighbours, a firehall is closeby, we live in an old part of town with houses that look like mansions. Everyone is friendly and knows each other.

On April 8th at 7am, I came to my computer with my coffee to read the news online. I read that there was a little girl missing since after school the day before. No luck yet in finding her. That day I walked with my daughter to the bus stop. When she came home I was waiting at the bus stop for her. As the days past by, the community here grew nervous. Everywhere you went there was Police presence. If you went to a park you saw Police searching it. My husband and I decided that we needed to keep some normalacy for our daughter yet needed to be careful. So I went to TELUS (Cell phone Provider) and got my daughter a child's cell phone that can only call 5 numbers. Now she takes it whereever she goes and can call me in emergency and I can even follow where she goes online via KIDFIND using the phone's GPS. My daughter no longer goes more than half a block without me now. All parents in my neighbourhood do the same. We all take turns walking our kids to each others homes to play. We exchange phone numbers for peace of mind.

Every coffee shop is filled with people talking about where this little girl may have gone. Everywhere you go there are flyers showing Tori's face. While walking in Walmart here....normally there are children running around as parents try to keep up. Now you see Children but they are holding their parents hands. In the days leading up to today - every woman who pulled back there hair got stared at. Every woman wearing a white sweater or coat was noticed. Any blonde haired little girl was examined by passerby's.

If you attend a vigil or watch a parade with Tori's relatives and friends marching in tori's honour - there are people in tears. People who have never met this family or this little girl are crying. Some even ANGRY that a search for this little girl seems to be a hidden search. Police say they are searching but yet - no one knows where. Everytime I take my garbage to the curb for garbage day I think about the Police officers who will have to search through my garbage and others at some point this week.

Today I watched the press conference. PC's now going down to once a week because TM needs a break. WOW. Woodstock does too. My daughter called me yesterday from her bus stop saying she was scared because it was a new crossing guard and her hair was pulled back into a pony tail and she thought it looked like the sketch. My daughter knows one of Tori's friends who hasn't been sleeping at night due to nightmares of being "snatched". She sees a councellor every day at school to help her cope with her friend being lost. Their family home has been searched 3 times. Other homes in the area were searched even late at night. Children were woken up while Police searched area homes looking for Tori. No one complained.

As I watch TM bring out photos of Tori.....new or old. I cry. I get angry because she's not home.

TM needs a break????????? does she actually use that word "break" in the same sentence while she asks the public to keep Tori's story alive and in the minds of everyone? As I listen to TM say that she hasn't spoken to Tori's teacher since Tori went missing.....I'm in total shock. That would be the FIRST place I'd go. As I sat watching the presser i wanted to go to the school to ask the teacher what Tori's demeaner was that day. Maybe after TM's break she'll go.

I live across town from TM and from where Tori went missing. Yet I feel the heartache for this little girl. I feel the pain of a parent who has lost their child. If I feel this way............and others feel this way...........and people like YOU ALL are on here day in and day out trying to make sense of it all.................HOW COULD TM NEED A BREAK.

I have one question for TM..........How many flyers has she put up? Aside from being with her friends, (who by the way claim they are angry that they must endure being investigated because they know Tori personally) and going to local bars on the weekends.....and being forced to attend vigils and fundraisers, what is she doing besides playing on her iphone and checking on facebook for who's bashing her now???

I'm sorry.....but TM doesn't need a break................WOODSTOCK DOES. TM needs a slap.

GOD, PLEASE BRING THIS POOR LITTLE GIRL HOME. WOODSTOCK NEEDS HER HOME.

[doctor_J]

Hi, H4T! No, nothing high-tech. Just me and my fingers. :thumbsup:

Well I, for one, appreciate, admire and envy your skills. Thanks a bunch. Wanted to make sure you knew it was not taken for granted. Kudos to streeter! :thumbsup:

[doctor_J]

Hi everyone. I'm new to this site but have followed this case in reading since late April. I also follow the other message boards out there including some from FB.

I feel an urgency to write the following. Moreso because I live in Woodstock and most of you don't.

Let me give you a sense of what it's like here these days. Bear with me...It's coming from a personal look

Prior to April 8th, my 8 year old daughter was permitted to ride her bike to visit friends who lived a block away. I have also on occassion been known to allow her to ride her bike with her friends to a nearby park. In doing so, they ride their bike one block on a not so busy street....they then cross over a very busy street WITHOUT lights and then continue 2 blocks on the busy street to the park. My daughter rides a bus to school but walks 2 blocks to her bus stop. This year she has been walking this alone however I can see her most of the way through my windows. Her bus stop is at a busy street corner. Rules were laxed around here for the most part. Always knew where she was, who she was with but allowed her freedom to go. We know our neighbours, a firehall is closeby, we live in an old part of town with houses that look like mansions. Everyone is friendly and knows each other.

On April 8th at 7am, I came to my computer with my coffee to read the news online. I read that there was a little girl missing since after school the day before. No luck yet in finding her. That day I walked with my daughter to the bus stop. When she came home I was waiting at the bus stop for her. As the days past by, the community here grew nervous. Everywhere you went there was Police presence. If you went to a park you saw Police searching it. My husband and I decided that we needed to keep some normalacy for our daughter yet needed to be careful. So I went to TELUS (Cell phone Provider) and got my daughter a child's cell phone that can only call 5 numbers. Now she takes it whereever she goes and can call me in emergency and I can even follow where she goes online via KIDFIND using the phone's GPS. My daughter no longer goes more than half a block without me now. All parents in my neighbourhood do the same. We all take turns walking our kids to each others homes to play. We exchange phone numbers for peace of mind.

Every coffee shop is filled with people talking about where this little girl may have gone. Everywhere you go there are flyers showing Tori's face. While walking in Walmart here....normally there are children running around as parents try to keep up. Now you see Children but they are holding their parents hands. In the days leading up to today - every woman who pulled back there hair got stared at. Every woman wearing a white sweater or coat was noticed. Any blonde haired little girl was examined by passerby's.

If you attend a vigil or watch a parade with Tori's relatives and friends marching in tori's honour - there are people in tears. People who have never met this family or this little girl are crying. Some even ANGRY that a search for this little girl seems to be a hidden search. Police say they are searching but yet - no one knows where. Everytime I take my garbage to the curb for garbage day I think about the Police officers who will have to search through my garbage and others at some point this week.

Today I watched the press conference. PC's now going down to once a week because TM needs a break. WOW. Woodstock does too. My daughter called me yesterday from her bus stop saying she was scared because it was a new crossing guard and her hair was pulled back into a pony tail and she thought it looked like the sketch. My daughter knows one of Tori's friends who hasn't been sleeping at night due to nightmares of being "snatched". She sees a councellor every day at school to help her cope with her friend being lost. Their family home has been searched 3 times. Other homes in the area were searched even late at night. Children were woken up while Police searched area homes looking for Tori. No one complained.

As I watch TM bring out photos of Tori.....new or old. I cry. I get angry because she's not home.

TM needs a break????????? does she actually use that word "break" in the same sentence while she asks the public to keep Tori's story alive and in the minds of everyone? As I listen to TM say that she hasn't spoken to Tori's teacher since Tori went missing.....I'm in total shock. That would be the FIRST place I'd go. As I sat watching the presser i wanted to go to the school to ask the teacher what Tori's demeaner was that day. Maybe after TM's break she'll go.

I live across town from TM and from where Tori went missing. Yet I feel the heartache for this little girl. I feel the pain of a parent who has lost their child. If I feel this way............and others feel this way...........and people like YOU ALL are on here day in and day out trying to make sense of it all.................HOW COULD TM NEED A BREAK.

I have one question for TM..........How many flyers has she put up? Aside from being with her friends, (who by the way claim they are angry that they must endure being investigated because they know Tori personally) and going to local bars on the weekends.....and being forced to attend vigils and fundraisers, what is she doing besides playing on her iphone and checking on facebook for who's bashing her now???

I'm sorry.....but TM doesn't need a break................WOODSTOCK DOES. TM needs a slap.

GOD, PLEASE BRING THIS POOR LITTLE GIRL HOME. WOODSTOCK NEEDS HER HOME.

WOW, Just WOW!. You've really put things in their proper perspective. Thank you. You've said quite eloquently what we've all sensed. I feel for you and all the chilren of Woodstock. I wish I could personally deliver your post to Tara.

[doctor_J]

WoodstockMom ---Its so late not many are on the board. I don't know how to move your post to tomorrow's thread. If you do know how, please re-post it in am. If not I will appeal to some of my computer literate friends to do so.

AND WELCOME!

[Lorelei]

The cops need a body. They don't have evidence of a crime. They know there's been a crime and they know who did it. They suspect what it was. But that alone won't make a case. Hope that computer and cell phone yields a gold mine but I think Tara is smart enough to get rid of the old hard drive and sim card.


snipped!

Sim card? on an iphone everything gets saved to memory inside the phone, and it's impossible to remove it. I work for rogers, specifically selling high end cell phones and am very familiar with Iphones and Blackberries. As for the hard drive in her puter, it would be difficult if she did changed the hard drive, but if she didn't, and even if she deleted it, info never really gets deleted, there are ways to retrieve things, however if she used a strong enough magnet methinks, she may have been able to erase stuff, but you really need a big magnet for that :)

She is smart enough to erase all her posts on FB!

My feeling of today's pc was that Tara was very subdued today, the pc was almost boring. Her statement about going to the border to post pictures... well I haven't much to say about that, that would have been one of the first things I would have done. As for the rest, I feel alot of what's the word? Apathy? coming from Tara. It's like all this searching and putting up posters etc, is kinda crampin her style.

Don't know what else to say except that I damn hope Tori is found soon. I have never followed a case of a missing child until Brandon Crisp's disappearance which ended badly, I was depressed for weeks, this one is really hard on my nerves :) and I haven't even followed it from the beginning.

[juliekan]

Reading the chat they said Mike Pobjoy is the Private Investigator.

This must be his company Focus 4D

http://www.focus4d.com/**/companyabout.php

just catching up, saw some people posting about who the PI might be.

[WoodstockMOM]

WoodstockMom ---Its so late not many are on the board. I don't know how to move your post to tomorrow's thread. If you do know how, please re-post it in am. If not I will appeal to some of my computer literate friends to do so.

AND WELCOME!

I'll do that. Sorry for the "book". It's just so frustrating feeling so helpless and feeling this missing girl have such an impact on my family, my friends, my city. Yet this little girl's mom needs a break from informing the public on how they can help keep their baby's name current so that we all look for her. I have to be honest here......If I were to ever be the one to find Tori - I wouldn't hand her over to TM thats for sure. Thats just how I feel.

[Lorelei]

doctor_J ITA agree with your thoughts here. I'm wondering too if they are still searching the landfill? This is one reason why we need to hear from the OPP.
If they weren't suspecting Tara in this you would think they would come out and tell the public they have been cleared and that they have moved their investigation in another direction.
They have not so this leads me to believe they do in fact suspect Tara and today's presser must have put up some hug red flags because it did for some of us. :sad:
N

Tara said in her interview this weekend she was cleared as a suspect.

[juliekan]

I'm sorry.....but TM doesn't need a break................WOODSTOCK DOES. TM needs a slap.

GOD, PLEASE BRING THIS POOR LITTLE GIRL HOME. WOODSTOCK NEEDS HER HOME.

<respectfully snipped>

Thank you for your post. I am sorry this has so affected your town.

[WoodstockMOM]

<respectfully snipped>

Thank you for your post. I am sorry this has so affected your town.

Thanks for your empathy. YOu know what??? People like me in Woodstock actually take comfort in the fact that people like YOU are trying to help us all make sense of this. You are viewed as a help. Your critism of Woodstonians and your questioning of Woodstock's ways is welcomed.

TEAM TORI will bring her home.

Someday TORI will thank you too.

[Lorelei]

Thanks for your empathy. YOu know what??? People like me in Woodstock actually take comfort in the fact that people like YOU are trying to help us all make sense of this. You are viewed as a help. Your critism of Woodstonians and your questioning of Woodstock's ways is welcomed.

TEAM TORI will bring her home.

Someday TORI will thank you too.

Welcome WoodstockMom! Thanks for the post :)

[streeter]

Welcome WoodstockMOM. I, too, feel badly for the citizens of your town, particularly the children who without a doubt will look back upon this springtime in their childhood as a time when innocence was lost.

BTW, I haven't seen a lot of criticism about Woodstock. Most people know this could happen anywhere. I am impressed with the way the people of Woodstock rallied to get the word out before Tori's family became visible in the media.

We share this nightmare with you and hope it is over soon for all of us, most of all for Tori.

[doctor_J]

snipped!

Sim card? on an iphone everything gets saved to memory inside the phone, and it's impossible to remove it. I work for rogers, specifically selling high end cell phones and am very familiar with Iphones and Blackberries. As for the hard drive in her puter, it would be difficult if she did changed the hard drive, but if she didn't, and even if she deleted it, info never really gets deleted, there are ways to retrieve things, however if she used a strong enough magnet methinks, she may have been able to erase stuff, but you really need a big magnet for that :)

She is smart enough to erase all her posts on FB!

My feeling of today's pc was that Tara was very subdued today, the pc was almost boring. Her statement about going to the border to post pictures... well I haven't much to say about that, that would have been one of the first things I would have done. As for the rest, I feel alot of what's the word? Apathy? coming from Tara. It's like all this searching and putting up posters etc, is kinda crampin her style.

Don't know what else to say except that I damn hope Tori is found soon. I have never followed a case of a missing child until Brandon Crisp's disappearance which ended badly, I was depressed for weeks, this one is really hard on my nerves :) and I haven't even followed it from the beginning.

Sorry about my ignorance, lorelei. I'm a technophobe. I think I only learned about sim cards in the CA case and remembered about saving info either to the phone or the sim card. I know even less, if possible, about computers. But about a month ago my hard drive crashed in my old Dell laptop. Geek Squad wanted more than the thing was worth so I was facing buying a new laptop. A friend gave me a new hard drive, still in the packaging for $20. In about a half day and a couple of screw drivers, I installed it. Works fine but, of course, is blank. Everything I took for granted has to be reinstalled. Document readers, media readers, Word, etc, All from scratch had to be reinstalled but was not hard, just time-consuming. I see no reason Tara wouldn't have been able to do that even if she were unaware of the magnet thing. If I were committing crimes for which I used a computer, that's what I would do. Can anything be retained if you switch the hard drive??? Forgive me if the question is really stupid..

[WoodstockMOM]

Welcome WoodstockMOM. I, too, feel badly for the citizens of your town, particularly the children who without a doubt will look back upon this springtime in their childhood as a time when innocence was lost.

BTW, I haven't seen a lot of criticism about Woodstock. Most people know this could happen anywhere. I am impressed with the way the people of Woodstock rallied to get the word out before Tori's family became visible in the media.

We share this nightmare with you and hope it is over soon for all of us, most of all for Tori.

Ya know, there are such good hearted people digging in with both heels to find answers in this case. It boggles my mind that TM doesn't fair you all as helpers instead of hindrences. If I was in her shoes I'd either be heavily sedated in my bed - lifeless, or out searching wherever I could during the day.....then following up at night on sites like this one to help me decide where to search tomorrow and gain some much needed motivation to go into another day tomorrow.

Keep digging people. Get dirty and dig. Lets find this little girl so the world can sleep again.

[Lorelei]

Can anything be retained if you switch the hard drive??? Forgive me if the question is really stupid..

No Doctor_J the hard drive in a puter is the only place where info gets stored. If she swapped the HD, the info is gone, and you're right it's not hard to swap an HD. And most computers these days are plug and play, so the boot cd's would do it all automatically. However, there are such things as flash drives, tiny portable drives that you can store stuff on and bring them with you, all's you do is plug them to a usb port in the back of a comp.

As for the cell phones, yes stuff can be saved on a sim, contacts, text messages (not that many) and settings, however the memory on a sim card is not very big, you can't save much on it. Iphones come with an 8gig or 16gig storage, that's where they would look for info.

But I bet Tara is too smart to leave stuff like lying around.

[WoodstockMOM]

Sorry about my ignorance, lorelei. I'm a technophobe. I think I only learned about sim cards in the CA case and remembered about saving info either to the phone or the sim card. I know even less, if possible, about computers. But about a month ago my hard drive crashed in my old Dell laptop. Geek Squad wanted more than the thing was worth so I was facing buying a new laptop. A friend gave me a new hard drive, still in the packaging for $20. In about a half day and a couple of screw drivers, I installed it. Works fine but, of course, is blank. Everything I took for granted has to be reinstalled. Document readers, media readers, Word, etc, All from scratch had to be reinstalled but was not hard, just time-consuming. I see no reason Tara wouldn't have been able to do that even if she were unaware of the magnet thing. If I were committing crimes for which I used a computer, that's what I would do. Can anything be retained if you switch the hard drive??? Forgive me if the question is really stupid..


Picture your hard drive like one of those old typewriters. You can erase the contents that windows uses to interpret to your monitor but the imprint is left on the hard drive. Police have "readers" that can interpret that "erased" info to find things like child porn, criminal activity etc. Magnets are the only thing that will destroy info on a hard drive permanently aside from smashing it up and burning it. Frankly, it's difficult to do and time consuming. Have you ever erased a program after downloading it and deciding it wasn't what you wanted? Yet, when you reboot that "deleted program" keeps being looked for by windows? It's because everything written to your hard drive is written in many places. If programs etc aren't deleted properly it still leaves trails that it was there. Especially in the registry. Thats just the easy way of finding stuff.

[Orleaner12]

Ya know, there are such good hearted people digging in with both heels to find answers in this case. It boggles my mind that TM doesn't fair you all as helpers instead of hindrences. If I was in her shoes I'd either be heavily sedated in my bed - lifeless, or out searching wherever I could during the day.....then following up at night on sites like this one to help me decide where to search tomorrow and gain some much needed motivation to go into another day tomorrow.

Keep digging people. Get dirty and dig. Lets find this little girl so the world can sleep again.


Personally if I were in Tara's situation I would not be reading forums or pages on FB to see what others are saying etc. I am sure there are other's in a higher authority that could advise her..we are just ordinary posters that have taken an interest in this case and are throwing out our opinions, whether right or wrong..I don't think it wise that Tara take directions from unknown's...just my opinion.....I really don't think that whatever we throw out there would be a one up on a trained police force....

[moonlite]

EXACTLY! I honestly don't see what they've done to find her. Now, after 6 weeks, Tara decides she will ride along with her friends to put up posters and check borders? WTH is she talking about? Check borders? GET THE COPS TO ISSUE AN AMBER ALERT AND CONTACT BORDER CONTROL OFFICERS. GET IN THEIR FACES EVERY SINGLE DAY AND DEMAND TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING!

It may be too late, Tara. This should've been done weeks ago. I'm so frustrated and disgusted.

I'm sorry but I'm getting some very weird vibes and I can't post them here.

Greetings"
N/T'

Very well said!! I agree with you that Tara and Rodney both should have been doing this from the start.

Moonlite

[doctor_J]

I hope I don't get booted for asking Lorelei a (kind of) off topic Q. When you say a big magnet, how big? I used to keep a "big" magnet in my Explorer to hold papers on the ceiling. It was heavy but would fit in a man's hand. Are we talking that big or MRI big (half a semi)???

[Amy]

I'll do that. Sorry for the "book". It's just so frustrating feeling so helpless and feeling this missing girl have such an impact on my family, my friends, my city. Yet this little girl's mom needs a break from informing the public on how they can help keep their baby's name current so that we all look for her. I have to be honest here......If I were to ever be the one to find Tori - I wouldn't hand her over to TM thats for sure. Thats just how I feel.

Welcome to the board. Not to worry about the length of the post--it is quite informative to have people local to the case to post on what's going on around town. Everything else we learn is filtered thru a news reporter's eyes. Except, of course, we can see and hear Tara and filter what we see there for ourselves.

[n/t]

did anyone catch what Rodney said in the PC today when they were talking about winding down the PC's...he said something to the effect that he needed to get back to a normal daily routine...wonder what a normal routine day is for someone like him who does not work...maybe the 1PM PC is cutting into his sleep time......

I did Orleaner and posted my thoughts about it yesterday. Rodney himself said he stopped going to his class because he couldn't concentrate and he would take up English literature next semester and/or when Tori is found. So if he's not going to class, what kind of normalcy is he talking about? What does he do all day? Also, there is no normal when your child is missing ask any parent who has a missing child. 6 weeks later and they want to get back to a normal routine?

With that said, I think the daily PC's were getting a little too much and we all noticed it yesterday. Media coverage is waning..actually it was reduced to one microphone. No new updates from the police. It was becoming the Tara and Rodney show.

I agree with Doctor J. If nothing happens soon, sadly Tori's case will just fade away and she will become another statistic. A cold case. A case that may never be solved.

[n/t]

Oh...look at that. I just found an update.

Tips continue to pour in in Stafford case

Woodstock - It's been six weeks since Victoria Stafford went missing and police in Woodstock hope information will continue to come in.

The 8-year-old went missing April 8, and was last seen in a surviellance video walking away from her school with an unidentified woman.

Oxford Community police tell 570 News the investigation involves up to 25 of their officers and 80 OPP officers. A seven member civilian support team is also helping out.

Constable Laurie-Anne Maitland says this a massive investigation with more than 3-thousand tips coming in from both within the community and outside of it.

Maitland says the search of the landfill is complete and a 50-thousand dollar reward is still being offered, but could not comment on talk of a psychic being brought in to aid in the investigation.
She says they receive numerous calls from people who are trying to help and those calls are taken like any other tip -- recorded and investigated.

Maitland says they appreciate the public's help and patience, adding that these investigations are very sensitive and take a lot of time.


http://www.570news.com/news/local/more.jsp?content=20090520_052305_6048

[n/t]

Speaking of psychics, I saw a commercial yesterday. Sylvia Browne (isn't she the one who Tara thought was picking her up in the limo), will be in Montreal on June 5th. and Hamilton on June 7th.

Maybe they can finally meet.:unsure:

http://www.sylvia.org/home/lectures_all.cfm

[n/t]

Where's Tori?? :crying: