Tuesday, May 19, 2009

[KittyMom]

Or maybe she was just getting ready to adjust someone's glasses.

:laugh:
Next time she should use her pinkie!

[Kokopelli]

I guess Cindy will be shooting Ron the finger soon:cursing:
I swear, this is one finger fetish family.:w00t:

[Neffy]

I just can't see it there. You know the problem is that we all KNOW she's capable of doing something like this so that's why we believe it's possible. (Don't want to get as paranoid as George accusing someone of flipping the Lee though. )

LMAO! I watched and watched and never saw it and then you actually gasp and with a big NO CHIT! It's there all right! Outrageous all right!

[bchand]

So to my understanding the Judge ruled today that Zianda could continue the law suit against Casey and possibly Cindy will also be included in this suit.

And that George and Cindy do have to answer the question asked by this attorney.

HEY. Happy Dance.

No they'll be back in court at 10:30 on Thursday to see if they have to answer more questions.

The defense can still file a motion to have the lawsuit thrown out.

[KittyMom]

I'll bet Kathi Belich knows who was sitting in that spot and has probably called to chat about Mz Cindy and her manners.

[Explorer]

The a's are finally getting whats coming to them. Justice for lil Caylee

[Tornado]

Sorry it is getting late and my brain is shutting down-

this is a still shot of it-

http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/spatzele/?action=view&current=CAfinger3webcopy.jpg

[Kathlb]

Kathy's shot is the best one so far of the "Lee". LOL If whoever was filming that realizes what they have, they can blow it up really nicely from the original film. I wonder if we'll see it in full force on some news site soon. ;-) Of course they have to get her face and that sneer that goes with the "Lee" too. :-)

[Kokopelli]

I'll have to work on it later. I'm late feeding the dogs and they're giving me dirty looks. BBL
Thanks for your hard work and kiss the dogs. I sure miss my dogs.:sad:

[Explorer]

Sorry it is getting late and my brain is shutting down-

this is a still shot of it-

http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/spatzele/?action=view&current=CAfinger3webcopy.jpg

Yep thats the Lee arlight!:biggrin:

[Oregongal]

I just wish the Anthony's would let go of 'they had a missing grandchild'.

I may be wrong here in my thinking, but IMO once they, George and Cindy smelled that car they knew that Caylee wasn't missing, that she was deceased.

You are not wrong in your thinking witchy. How many times has Cindy sai she wasn't 'worried' about Caylee that whole month because she knew she was with Casey? That wonderful, Mother of the Year. Pfffft!
She can't have it both ways. Either she thought or knew Caylee was missing sometime during the 31 days before she dragged Casey out of Tony's place. Or after she smelled that car she thought one of them was dead. Casey was alive and well, which obviously meant Caylee was dead.
Maybe in her mind she thinks that since she didn't know where Caylee's remains were, she was missing. Yeh, that's it, she knew from the smell, Casey's lies and arrest that Caylee was dead, but she kept saying she was missing because she didn't know where the body was.
Yeh, that's the ticket.
Tho, I have my doubts about her not knowing Caylee was dead by her daughter's hand from the time they picked up the car, thru all the 911 calls. I have my doubts about Lee's story about what was said between he and Casey, he and Cindy, Cindy and Casey, Cindy, Lee and Casey the night of July 15th before and after the 911 calls.
I keep remembering Cindy saying to George when he arrived home way earlier than he should have....'We've lost out Caylee'. If she believed Caylee was just missing, why would she use the word lost? Why wouldn't she say, Caylee's been kidnapped, Caylee is missing?
Remember how much time passed between the time Cindy grabbed Casey, drove Amy home, drove to the 'closed' sheriff's station and then went home, made those 911 calls and until sheriff's finally arrived at the house? Plenty of time to get the truth out of Casey and for all of them to cook up a reasonable story to begin a cover up of the truth....Casey killed her daughter.

[Tornado]

Yep thats the Lee arlight!:biggrin:

It just doesn't end with her- if she is like this in public, I hate to think what CA is like behind closed doors. Seriously just off in left field somewhere..

[Neffy]

Yep thats the Lee arlight!:biggrin:

:laugh::laugh:

[sammy62]

does anyone here know how to start a new thread...we are way over 1000. I don't know how...pout

[myownopera]

Sorry it is getting late and my brain is shutting down-

this is a still shot of it-

http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/spatzele/?action=view&current=CAfinger3webcopy.jpg


This is a perfectly clear picture!!! For sure! After all the A's have said and done -- I still am shocked at their behavior!! What a family -- le'ts just pray that none of us ever run into them. I was thinnking about going over for the trial (if there ever is a trial), but you know, there is no telling what will happen. This is just about as low as anyone can get in MHO.

mop

[Neffy]

It just doesn't end with her- if she is like this in public, I hate to think what CA is like behind closed doors. Seriously just off in left field somewhere..

I'm suffocating thinking of the ride home in that car! Conway looked ill at ease as did George.

[Oregongal]

I've saved a still photo of Cindy's supposed "Lee finger episode" and cropped the hand also. After closely looking at it, it's my opinion that Cindy's hand is merely clinched and the "Lee finger" is actually a white diagram on her skirt.

Lordy, Cindy does enough outrageous stuff that we don't need to imagine more!!

See the pics here and let me know what you think:

http://www.picupine.com/ef7e0cdx

This pic on the link you posted is not the same one that we all have been 'speculating' about see.
:mellow:

[happygert]

Here we go new thread .......come on over everyone

[GumShoeJoe]

A new thread here? I never did it before.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=353717

[Oregongal]

I think that she has symptoms of a personality disorder.

No respect for authority.

No recognition of boundaries etc

Classic symptoms from what I have read.

Yes imc, you are right on again.
:thumbup:

[Dells]

I apologize, I am a few pages back (had to go play a board game with the family) but what is the big deal about whether KC used the credit cards without CA knowing. Am I missing something somewhere?

I think to help prove that Casey had to constantly steal money from people because she didn't have a job, and thus would have no need for a nanny. It sort of proves that there never was a nanny and it was just a figment of Casey's imagination and that she had to use an innocent unsuspecting person to base the nanny on, and that person just happened to be ZG.

[happygert]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13120726#post13120726

[adair]

Hello Everyone!!

I am hoping that someone can fill me in on any happenings today....whats the video from?

TIA

[Dells]

She can be so mean. That young guy looks like Opie in a suit. :tongue: Much too young to be a reporter.

I felt kinda sorry for him. He sort of had that deer caught in the headlights look when Nancy was yelling at him.:crying:

[happygert]

does anyone know I i delete this one?

[Oregongal]

I can't stop laughing all these t posts about "The Lee" !

Me too Neffy. We all may be all be giving a brand new name to a very old action.
Like...I was driving the other day and some dude flipped me the Lee!
:lol:

[adair]

I posted this on the old thread.

Can someone please tell me what happened, if anything today?

Whats with the video?

Thanks in advance.......I just got home from work......

[Neffy]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13120726#post13120726

Uh oh Now theres 2!
Hmmm

One potato
Two potatoes
Three potatoes
Four!

[ttcRider]

I wonder what the congregation will say on Sunday... :huh: Or is giving the Lee fall under the same clause as lying??

[happygert]

I posted this on the old thread.

Can someone please tell me what happened, if anything today?

Whats with the video?

Thanks in advance.......I just got home from work......

Mr. Mitnik got to add the punitive damages to his lawsuit!! Dont think LP's depo was done today either think that was postponed

[adair]

Mr. Mitnik got to add the punitive damages to his lawsuit!! Dont think LP's depo was done today either think that was postponed

Thank You!!!!

[Oregongal]

Uh oh Now theres 2!
Hmmm

One potato
Two potatoes
Three potatoes
Four!

Which thread should I click on?
:confused:

[ttcRider]

I have lost my way... where should I be? :crying:
There are 2 part 2s

[bluwaters]

I really and truly did not want to believe that Cindy flipped the Lee as she was leaving the courtroom.
She did it though.
She did it.
There is nothing natural about the position of her fingers or the look on her face.
Wow!
Someday I will learn to respect the fact that Cindy Anthony can shock me over and over again. :w00t:

See, that's the thing about people who make accusations like the one George made to Mitnik during the depo.
Behaviour that we engage in and accept is the same behavior that we look for and see in others.
Why did GA make that absurd statement accusing Mitnik of giving him the finger?
Because it's normal behavior in Anthonyland.
GA is "on the ball," he knows the Lee when he sees it.
Even if it's only imaginary. :sneaky:

[happygert]

I have lost my way... where should I be? :crying:
There are 2 part 2s

yes I'm sorry about that I sent cw a message didnt know gumshoe was starting one too.......

[Explorer]

I wonder what the congregation will say on Sunday... :huh: Or is giving the Lee fall under the same clause as lying??

The a's are going to give that church a bad name. i wouldnt be surprised if the church kicked them out.

[Neffy]

I really and truly did not want to believe that Cindy flipped the Lee as she was leaving the courtroom.
She did it though.
She did it.
There is nothing natural about the position of her fingers or the look on her face.
Wow!
Someday I will learn to respect the fact that Cindy Anthony can shock me over and over again. :w00t:

See, that's the thing about people who make accusations like the one George made to Mitnik during the depo.
Behaviour that we engage in and accept is the same behavior that we look for and see in others.
Why did GA make that absurd statement accusing Mitnik of giving him the finger?
Because it's normal behavior in Anthonyland.
GA is "on the ball," he knows the Lee when he sees it.
Even if it's only imaginary. :sneaky:

ITA! But the "bold" is hysterical!

[Neffy]

Which thread should I click on?
:confused:

I'm following you OG :seeya:

[eagleeer]

I have lost my way... where should I be? :crying:
There are 2 part 2s

Stay here, CW will merge them sooner or later.

[bluwaters]

I just posted this to myself on the old thread.
Ruminations on "The Lee."

I really and truly did not want to believe that Cindy flipped the Lee as she was leaving the courtroom.
She did it though.
She did it.
There is nothing natural about the position of her fingers or the look on her face.
Wow!
Someday I will learn to respect the fact that Cindy Anthony can shock me over and over again. :scared:

See, that's the thing about people who make accusations like the one George made to Mitnik during the depo.
Behaviour that we engage in and accept is the same behavior that we look for and see in others.
Why did GA make that absurd statement accusing Mitnik of giving him the finger?
Because it's normal behavior in Anthonyland.
GA is "on the ball," he knows the Lee when he sees it.
Even if it's only imaginary. :sneaky:

[Oregongal]

I'm following you OG :seeya:

Don't know if that's a good idea, I seem to be in limbo.
:ohmy:

[MrsHudson]

Has anyone emailed Cindy the press release? :wink:

I did. And I hugely bolded certain key smack down sentences so they would not miss them.

[Oregongal]

I see Happy's thread has more peeps, I think I'll go with that one.
Come on Neffy....follow me.
:wub:

[Neffy]

I did. And I hugely bolded certain key smack down sentences so they would not miss them.

^5 :wink:

..........

[Oregongal]

Based on what I have read and the twists and turns I doubt this was premeditated murder. Casey would have had a better alibi or story prepared other than everything that left out of her mouth was a lie.
I think from what I have read Cindy and Casey has a big blow out and off into the streets she went with Caylee, madder then hell. So angry at her mother, what a better way to even up a score with Cindy. Take something that was so precious to her. Obviously these precious moments never pertained to Casey when it came to her own baby.

I hope this makes some sort of sense since I have had only a few hours of sleep.
JMHO

Dianna, come on over to the new thread....going to carry this over for you.

[Leo's Mom]

I really and truly did not want to believe that Cindy flipped the Lee as she was leaving the courtroom.
She did it though.
She did it.
There is nothing natural about the position of her fingers or the look on her face.
Wow!
Someday I will learn to respect the fact that Cindy Anthony can shock me over and over again. :w00t:

See, that's the thing about people who make accusations like the one George made to Mitnik during the depo.
Behaviour that we engage in and accept is the same behavior that we look for and see in others.
Why did GA make that absurd statement accusing Mitnik of giving him the finger?
Because it's normal behavior in Anthonyland.
GA is "on the ball," he knows the Lee when he sees it.
Even if it's only imaginary. :sneaky:

It's shocking that she would do that in a courtroom. But I watched the video and sure enough. Out came the Lee.

Can't anyone reign that woman in? I hope the judge says something about this on Thursday.

BTW, today was the first day I heard this particular judge speak. His voice reminds me of John Malkovich. LOL.

[Neffy]

Based on what I have read and the twists and turns I doubt this was premeditated murder. Casey would have had a better alibi or story prepared other than everything that left out of her mouth was a lie.
I think from what I have read Cindy and Casey has a big blow out and off into the streets she went with Caylee, madder then hell. So angry at her mother, what a better way to even up a score with Cindy. Take something that was so precious to her. Obviously these precious moments never pertained to Casey when it came to her own baby.

I hope this makes some sort of sense since I have had only a few hours of sleep.
JMHO


Casey hasn't told a good lie yet! Their juvenile lies that ended with her stomping away and not confronted. This is the first time she's been confronted with anything and it was by LE. This is no longer a matter of events within the Anthony compound and petty thieving.

Premeditated murder only takes a minute.

[Lavinia]

I hear that Lee was a real stand-up guy in court today. :laugh:

[kathy]

Hi kathy. Welcome to the board. I just think that that is a general movement that a person would do by walking.
Was Lee in the court room today and are there any pictures of him.

I didn't see Lee in the courtroom today. I think if he had been there he would have been sitting with G and C.

[Neffy]

I didn't see Lee in the courtroom today. I think if he had been there he would have been sitting with G and C.

He was with C trust me :laugh:

[adair]

Did Casey have to appear....is there a video of the hearing? There must be....cuz you guys are talking about it......can someone give me a link? Thanks

[GumShoeJoe]

For those of you that have the fortitude to look at that video again, please check out 31:00 minutes to 31:06. Very quickly, Cindy looks for someone over GA's shoulder and makes a fast gesture as she reaches for her purse strap and follows George out of the seats. Is she doing it there, also? Looks like it to me, perhaps. In fact, that is what I thought you all were talking about when this topic of discussion began.

[need2no]

As George and Cindy are getting up to leave, Cindy is looking over George's shoulder toward where Kathi B. and 3 other men are standing. Kathi B. manages to cut through and slip out the door ahead of G, C & Conway.. then watch carefully (before someone blocks the view), you will see Cindy appears angry and is muttering something toward the corner of the room as they are leaving. The person she is clearly mouthing off at, and tossed the 'Lee' at appears to be a reporter because she has a notebook, pen and tape recorder in her hands. As soon as Cindy does the hand motion toward her this person starts writing in her notebook.

[need2no]

Did Casey have to appear....is there a video of the hearing? There must be....cuz you guys are talking about it......can someone give me a link? Thanks

http://www.wftv.com/video/19504207/index.html

If you want to see Cindy's hand gesture start about 30:40 and watch from there.

[MrsHudson]

maybe it's some sad lonely hacker that doesn't understand unconditional love....:laugh:

Now THAT was funny!

[shelkobe]

As George and Cindy are getting up to leave, Cindy is looking over George's shoulder toward where Kathi B. and 3 other men are standing. Kathi B. manages to cut through and slip out the door ahead of G, C & Conway.. then watch carefully (before someone blocks the view), you will see Cindy appears angry and is muttering something toward the corner of the room as they are leaving. The person she is clearly mouthing off at, and tossed the 'Lee' at appears to be a reporter because she has a notebook, pen and tape recorder in her hands. As soon as Cindy does the hand motion toward her this person starts writing in her notebook.
It looks like a black hand to me, with notebook and tape recorder. Off the top of my head, Natisha Lance, Nancy's Grace's reporter comes to mind. Could that be who Cindy is flipping off (assuming that is what it is, and the more I look, the more I think it is.) So juvenile.

[adair]

http://www.wftv.com/video/19504207/index.html

If you want to see Cindy's hand gesture start about 30:40 and watch from there.

Did i ever tell you guys that your the greatest? I do not have to work tomorrow, so I am kicking back tonight, drinking a couple of beers.

(which is probably really needed to view this, right?):cursing:

[seeing_eye]

I don't know how to put the image in this post, but here is a link to my screenshot:
http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss66/spatzele/?action=view&current=CAfinger3webcopy.jpg

Ok, I stand corrected. You were able to capture the right frame. I went back and tried and tried and could never pause on the exact frame. I cropped your picture and lightened it a little to hopefully make it easier to see. I put it here:

http://www.picupine.com/ef7e0cdx

[Neffy]

http://www.wftv.com/video/19504207/index.html

If you want to see Cindy's hand gesture start about 30:40 and watch from there.

I hate to throw a fly in the ointment but now this looks like it "could" be she's giving the Cindy and the the Lee. I have to stop looking.

[bluwaters]

It looks like a black hand to me, with notebook and tape recorder. Off the top of my head, Natisha Lance, Nancy's Grace's reporter comes to mind. Could that be who Cindy is flipping off (assuming that is what it is, and the more I look, the more I think it is.) So juvenile.
I think that you are correct.
Holly Bristow (MyFOX Orlando) of "no more exclusives" fame is also there.
She is visible at the very beginning (about 16 sec.) of the Raw Video, in the back of the courtroom.
http://www.wftv.com/video/19503363/index.html

Gotta get some sleep.
It was a good day! :smile:

[bluwaters]

Got any abisynthe?
Scuze sp., too lazy to look:laugh:

I do!!! :w00t:
Maybe I will stay up a while after all.

[shelkobe]

Ok, I stand corrected. You were able to capture the right frame. I went back and tried and tried and could never pause on the exact frame. I cropped your picture and lightened it a little to hopefully make it easier to see. I put it here:

http://www.picupine.com/ef7e0cdxMan, you're good. By the way, new thread thataway ---------> http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=353718

[MrsHudson]

Now don't forget her faith and how she not only crusades for missing children but also leads the lost to church.:unsure:

Yes that's what Cindy said.God is on her side. And she has friends and supporters and gets thousands of letters from understanding fans.

What a great life eh? Wouldn't you just love to be in her shoes? Murdered grand daughter, a daughter in jail with the death penalty hanging over her head, a husband who pretends to commit suicide by pizza and having to spend your time answering to lawsuits and depositions. I am SOOOOO jealous!! :rolleyes:

[Neffy]

It looks like a black hand to me, with notebook and tape recorder. Off the top of my head, Natisha Lance, Nancy's Grace's reporter comes to mind. Could that be who Cindy is flipping off (assuming that is what it is, and the more I look, the more I think it is.) So juvenile.

Good call. I was so focused looking for "The Lee" (which I'm now wondering if it's "The Cindy") I didn't even notice that reporters hand notepad or recorder. I'm sure Belich would know. And that reporter can give us a first hand account of what's it like to come face to face with this Dame.

[shelkobe]

I think that you are correct.
Holly Bristow (MyFOX Orlando) of "no more exclusives" fame is also there.
She is visible at the very beginning (about 16 sec.) of the Raw Video, in the back of the courtroom.
http://www.wftv.com/video/19503363/index.html

Gotta get some sleep.
It was a good day! :smile:
I also thought I saw Holly early on. They both could be in the corner, but I can't see Cindy doing that to Holly. She has few people left who she can manipulate.

[shelkobe]

Seeing_eye hasn't moved over yet by here's a post by her/him with some good still shots of Cindy's hand.
Ok, I stand corrected. You were able to capture the right frame. I went back and tried and tried and could never pause on the exact frame. I cropped your picture and lightened it a little to hopefully make it easier to see. I put it here:

http://www.picupine.com/ef7e0cdx

[Oregongal]

Sorry Dianna, I tried to carry your post over, for some reason it's not working.
Let me try again....
Originally Posted by Dianna
Based on what I have read and the twists and turns I doubt this was premeditated murder. Casey would have had a better alibi or story prepared other than everything that left out of her mouth was a lie.
I think from what I have read Cindy and Casey has a big blow out and off into the streets she went with Caylee, madder then hell. So angry at her mother, what a better way to even up a score with Cindy. Take something that was so precious to her. Obviously these precious moments never pertained to Casey when it came to her own baby.

I hope this makes some sort of sense since I have had only a few hours of sleep.
JMHO

Yay, it worked this time.....
Ok, let's see if this holds. :wink:

What I wanted to say in response to your post was, yes what you said makes sense. If we were talking about a somewhat 'normal' thinking young woman. Casey, is not that.
She thinks from moment to moment and maybe never ever thought far enough ahead to think she'd need an alibi or better story.
I feel she did premeditate this murder, she googled many things pointing to her thinking about murder months ago.
And you must remember that in the eyes of the law premeditation can be with a twinkling of the eye.
The moment before the actual act of murder occurs can be premeditation.
I think she thought of murder long ago and it wasn't until this rageful fight happened between she and Cindy that she actually carried it out. I think it was a culmination of things that led up to what she really wanted to do. The growing tension between she and Cindy with Cindy maybe finally saying no, I won't babysit Caylee while you go out and party. Cindy had complained to her co workers about that. Casey missing out on the trip to Puerto Rico with her friends because Cindy refused to babysit Caylee, Tony making it clear that he didn't want a family right now and when he did he wanted boys of his own. Add to that, Tony went out of state and left her and was also saying he may not even come back. On top of all of this...Cindy found out about the theft from her own mother and father she blew up. The Father's Day fight was the point where Casey decided to take Caylee from that house and then take Caylee from her mother and the world.
Maybe the defense will proclaim she just snapped after that fight. Which would possibly preclude premeditation. But, there was plenty of time that went by between the time she left in a rage. Plenty of time to cool down and think about it and decide not to, or enough time for her to continue to rage and take it out on Caylee to the point it ended that little girls life. If we knew the cause of death it would make it so much easier to actually figure out what happened between the time Casey screeched away from that house and the time she reappeared at the house when both George and Cindy were gone with what I think, a dead Caylee in her car.
Casey wasn't getting her way. Cindy was not co operating and doing as Casey thought she should, take care of, babysit Caylee whenever she wanted her to. She'd been missing out on a lot of things and then how dare Cindy come at her about the theft from gparents! How dare Cindy lay her hands on her? How dare Cindy threaten to take custody of Caylee?
All those thoughts of getting rid of her daughter finally came to a head and in her mind she was doing the only thing that would allow her to get her way.
Get rid of 'that child' and hurt her mother in one fell swoop.

[seeing_eye]

Seeing_eye hasn't moved over yet by here's a post by her/him with some good still shots of Cindy's hand.

Thanks for bringing that over, shelkobe. I originally assumed we all were paranoid like GA was at his depo. But no, I'm sure now Cindy did give the Lee salute to someone. Such a classy woman! Since it looks like she's looking at the camera, maybe she's saluting all us fat, lazy bloggers?

[Dick Tracy]

Seeing_eye hasn't moved over yet by here's a post by her/him with some good still shots of Cindy's hand.

REAL Nice job.. You can clearly see her shooting the bird in the second and third photos. And that "4q" look on her face... Man..... If looks could kill, ya know what I mean?

That's the look of a defeated woman.

[MrsHudson]

Cindy absolutely flipped the Lee as she left the courtroom. THAT was very mature, huh?

Oh for shame! What would her pastor say? We should send him a screen shot of his favorite parishoner flipping the bird to the world.

[Pruddennce]

I also thought I saw Holly early on. They both could be in the corner, but I can't see Cindy doing that to Holly. She has few people left who she can manipulate.

heck, they were lucky enough to get 'seats together' as I see a gentleman with a notepad gave up his seat so the 3 of them could sit together....arriving at the last moment.....

speaking of Holly and CIndy's 'threat' on the day of her arrest: that scene was a clear example of how psychotic Cindy is: her daughter is being arrested for MURDER ONE and she is spewing at the press that SHE, the HIGH PRIESTESS OF INTERVIEWS, will not be talking to Holly anymore...

consider that for a moment: did it even remotely 'fit' within the realm of intelligent thinking at that particular moment in time? she is skilled in turning ANY situation into a ME situation....doesnt matter what it is...it will always be about CINDY.....if someone is unfortunate enough to cross paths with her, RUN....

snakes...all of them, and I see the tide turning...its a slow process, but IMO its happening....my only hope is that it becomes HUGE, with legal ramifications that throw a wrench in their newly organized scam machine.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru



*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[ttcRider]

If you start to see more than one Lee finger, it's time for bed.:laugh:

How many Lees am I holding up? :w00t:

[seeing_eye]

REAL Nice job.. You can clearly see her shooting the bird in the second and third photos. And that "4q" look on her face... Man..... If looks could kill, ya know what I mean?

That's the look of a defeated woman.

It's hard to believe the woman with all the hand gestures is the same one who was on the CBS Early Show. However, it sure is easy to recognize that she's the same one in those civil suit depos! She must be a chameleon too.

[seeing_eye]

I think it was for Lavinia.

Ha...ha...ha!!! :w00t:

[MrsHudson]

I know that has been rumored, is it true? Link?

I don't think Cindy has been named. If her name does not appear in the title of the lawsuit like ZG vs Casey Anthony and Cynthia Anthony then Cindy is not being sued. Her name and actions mentioned in the body of the suit because she repeated the libel is not the same as her being as a defendant. JMO.

[shelkobe]

Thanks for bringing that over, shelkobe. I originally assumed we all were paranoid like GA was at his depo. But no, I'm sure now Cindy did give the Lee salute to someone. Such a classy woman! Since it looks like she's looking at the camera, maybe she's saluting all us fat, lazy bloggers?
Again, great work. I wanted to make sure those who'd moved over here saw it.

[shelkobe]

Hmmm, I'm not sure which I'd prefer, Cindy giving us the Lee or Cindy treating us to one of her "gotcha!" eye winks like in the civil depo.

[Dick Tracy]

What I wanted to say in response to your post was, yes what you said makes sense. If we were talking about a somewhat 'normal' thinking young woman. Casey, is not that.
She thinks from moment to moment and maybe never ever thought far enough ahead to think she'd need an alibi or better story.
I feel she did premeditate this murder, she googled many things pointing to her thinking about murder months ago.
And you must remember that in the eyes of the law premeditation can be with a twinkling of the eye.
The moment before the actual act of murder occurs can be premeditation.
I think she thought of murder long ago and it wasn't until this rageful fight happened between she and Cindy that she actually carried it out. I think it was a culmination of things that led up to what she really wanted to do. The growing tension between she and Cindy with Cindy maybe finally saying no, I won't babysit Caylee while you go out and party. Cindy had complained to her co workers about that. Casey missing out on the trip to Puerto Rico with her friends because Cindy refused to babysit Caylee, Tony making it clear that he didn't want a family right now and when he did he wanted boys of his own. Add to that, Tony went out of state and left her and was also saying he may not even come back. On top of all of this...Cindy found out about the theft from her own mother and father she blew up. The Father's Day fight was the point where Casey decided to take Caylee from that house and then take Caylee from her mother and the world.
Maybe the defense will proclaim she just snapped after that fight. Which would possibly preclude premeditation. But, there was plenty of time that went by between the time she left in a rage. Plenty of time to cool down and think about it and decide not to, or enough time for her to continue to rage and take it out on Caylee to the point it ended that little girls life. If we knew the cause of death it would make it so much easier to actually figure out what happened between the time Casey screeched away from that house and the time she reappeared at the house when both George and Cindy were gone with what I think, a dead Caylee in her car.
Casey wasn't getting her way. Cindy was not co operating and doing as Casey thought she should, take care of, babysit Caylee whenever she wanted her to. She'd been missing out on a lot of things and then how dare Cindy come at her about the theft from gparents! How dare Cindy lay her hands on her? How dare Cindy threaten to take custody of Caylee?
All those thoughts of getting rid of her daughter finally came to a head and in her mind she was doing the only thing that would allow her to get her way.
Get rid of 'that child' and hurt her mother in one fell swoop.

Casey is so warped in the head (and that's saying it nicely, with whipped cream and a cherry on top), that I don't think she considered it murder. She just had to get rid of that child.

I understand what Padilla said about her leaving that night, and it makes sense. When LE interviews TL, he is adamant that she didn't spend the night with him on the night of Sunday the 15th after the fight at home. He says something to the effect of "she wasn't here - and cell phone records will back that up". She has an 80 minute phone call with him, followed by texting to him until 3:08am on the 16th. So that's a good pretty indicator that they weren't together. Then where was she on the night of the 15th and the morning of the 16th? Cell pings show her being in the vicinity of the house, but not at the house, as evidenced by a call from the Anthony's to Casey's cell phone at 7:45am.

I still think - aieeeeeeeeeeeee! don't flame me - that she comes home on the morning of the 16th, and that George does see her around 12:50pm that day, like he originally spoke to Detectives. Back then he was actually trying to give information that would be helpful. Why would he lie to LE so early on, when all he wants to do is get Caylee home safe and sound. George is the patsy in all of this, he was originally asking "who is Zanny?" in the background during the 911 call.

She's home in the afternoon hour of the 16th, on the computer at 1400 local time. That we know.

MOO

[LILMANMAX]

So glad to see CA has not lost her sense of humor under all this stress. :rolleyes:

What a class act - JMHO

[MrsHudson]

per Cindy..."All new members have joined because I brought them there."

Is this what brings folks to church? I Dont Think So Cindy Anthony!!!


Justice Will Prevail For Caylee, Regardless Of All The Anthony Lies!

I thought it was the Holy Spirit that lead people to worship. I guess Cindy has taken that spot now. The new Trinity, Father, Son and Cindy.

More likely they are going to church to stare and rubber neck at Cindy and George. It's the entertainment value if you ask me.

[Pruddennce]

Sorry Dianna, I tried to carry your post over, for some reason it's not working.
Let me try again....
Originally Posted by Dianna
Get rid of 'that child' and hurt her mother in one fell swoop.

respectfully snipped....

and thats precisely what it was all about.......and that is precisely what the motive was: twofold.

the followup to that event, was the jailhouse call....the venom those two were exchanging leads me to only one conclusion.....that Cindy was responsible for causing Casey's rage....

Cindy knows it and Casey knows it. Cindy threw in a 'sweetheart' to keep Casey from blurting out what CINDY DID TO HER that caused her to leave in a rage.

Casey will never divulge what Cindy did 'to her' to cause her to lose control and kill. that would mean admitting she murdered Caylee and not quite a strong defense: (MOM PUSHED ME TO IT?).....

remember what she said:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16993169/detail.html

"You don't know what my involvement is in (inaudible)?" Casey Anthony asked.

"Casey," Cindy Anthony said.

"Mom," Casey Anthony said.

"No, I don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart," Cindy Anthony said. "You are not telling me where she's at."

"Because I don't (expletive) know where she's at," Casey Anthony said. "You are kidding me?"

"Casey, don't waste your call screaming and hollering at me," Cindy Anthony said.

"Waste my call sitting in the jail?" Casey Anthony said.

"Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail?" Cindy Anthony said. "Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything…"

"Do me a favor and just tell me what Tony's number is," Casey Anthony said. "I don't want to talk to you. Forget it."

what I find interesting is that Cindy is hardly shocked she is arrested. listen to her demeanor, the content matter of her words to Casey......she openly admits on tape that she is aware of one fact: CASEY LIED and that is why she is in jail.

my thought process: back to the beginning, its pretty clear....that phone call will nail her in addition to her unresponsiveness to a supposedly 'kidnapped' child.

Im still wondering if they bugged the house. would be sweet. IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[adair]

Got any abisynthe?
Scuze sp., too lazy to look:laugh:


Sorry, no absynthe.

But I do agree she did flip the "Lee"

jmo

[Pruddennce]

Casey is so warped in the head (and that's saying it nicely, with whipped cream and a cherry on top), that I don't think she considered it murder. She just had to get rid of that child.

I understand what Padilla said about her leaving that night, and it makes sense. When LE interviews TL, he is adamant that she didn't spend the night with him on the night of Sunday the 15th after the fight at home. He says something to the effect of "she wasn't here - and cell phone records will back that up". She has an 80 minute phone call with him, followed by texting to him until 3:08am on the 16th. So that's a good pretty indicator that they weren't together. Then where was she on the night of the 15th and the morning of the 16th? Cell pings show her being in the vicinity of the house, but not at the house, as evidenced by a call from the Anthony's to Casey's cell phone at 7:45am.

I still think - aieeeeeeeeeeeee! don't flame me - that she comes home on the morning of the 16th, and that George does see her around 12:50pm that day, like he originally spoke to Detectives. Back then he was actually trying to give information that would be helpful. Why would he lie to LE so early on, when all he wants to do is get Caylee home safe and sound. George is the patsy in all of this, he was originally asking "who is Zanny?" in the background during the 911 call.

She's home in the afternoon hour of the 16th, on the computer at 1400 local time. That we know.

MOO

hey no flame here DT :D

but: are you saying that GA saw CAYLEE on the 16th?

if you read his written statement its carefully worded. he also carefully worded his answer to LE when he was asked about the nite of the 15th: 'he was led to believe they were in the house' because he saw her car there? this was before 11pm IIRC.....they dont live in a sprawling mansion......he stumbles around and says I know my wife was home...

?????

but he didnt see Casey or Caylee?....or even mention that he asked the matriarch if they were in the bedroom?

then you would be inclined to believe he can recall exactly what clothing they wore a month ago?

its a problem when 3 people claim the event happened a week prior. coupled with the fact that Cindy had Caylee for the day that was not just 'an ordinary day'....it was a hallmark card day, father's day and a reason to go visit her own father....it had significance.

and they never say 'father's day'....very odd, isnt it? its almost as if they all might choke on those two words.......

if one of them, just one of them wrote on their FIRST STATEMENT, it was father's day weekend, and associated the wrong date with that, I would understand it....its something that can be easily understood...

but, again, they chose to ignore the significance of Cindy's outing with caylee.....

I find that to be the beginning of their lies.....that omission.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Pruddennce]

Sorry, no absynthe.

But I do agree she did flip the "Lee"

jmo


no press statement, no AHA moment for Cindy....

she was seeing red rats and spitting nails....


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Dick Tracy]

respectfully snipped....

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


You are so right. I've been thinking that the whole time. But she's lying still, because she knows where Caylee is. That exchange between Casey and Cindy is chilling. Cindy knew how to get to the point with Casey, she's been doing it all her life. She's direct and to the point - your in jail because you lied. And Casey immediately cancels out.

I'd like to know what the revelation was for the Anthony's to know that Casey was guilty, and that Caylee was gone. Was it the smell in the trunk? Or was it a combination of things? Was it the realization that there was no ZFG?

[Oregongal]

Casey is so warped in the head (and that's saying it nicely, with whipped cream and a cherry on top), that I don't think she considered it murder. She just had to get rid of that child.

I understand what Padilla said about her leaving that night, and it makes sense. When LE interviews TL, he is adamant that she didn't spend the night with him on the night of Sunday the 15th after the fight at home. He says something to the effect of "she wasn't here - and cell phone records will back that up". She has an 80 minute phone call with him, followed by texting to him until 3:08am on the 16th. So that's a good pretty indicator that they weren't together. Then where was she on the night of the 15th and the morning of the 16th? Cell pings show her being in the vicinity of the house, but not at the house, as evidenced by a call from the Anthony's to Casey's cell phone at 7:45am.

I still think - aieeeeeeeeeeeee! don't flame me - that she comes home on the morning of the 16th, and that George does see her around 12:50pm that day, like he originally spoke to Detectives. Back then he was actually trying to give information that would be helpful. Why would he lie to LE so early on, when all he wants to do is get Caylee home safe and sound. George is the patsy in all of this, he was originally asking "who is Zanny?" in the background during the 911 call.

She's home in the afternoon hour of the 16th, on the computer at 1400 local time. That we know.

MOO

Will never flame you friend and I can see it both ways. The only thing that keeps me thinking that George didn't see them the 16th, is what I posted previously how she said to George on the 15th of July, before the sheriffs arrived....'we've lost Caylee'.
I know and accept that I could be wrong in how I see this.
Why would he lie to LE so early on? Because he is the patsy in all of this and he was told what to say by Cindy.
When he did do that secret interview with the FBI, I think he was trying to tell the truth as much as he could without telling the whole truth. He was trying to give as much info as he could, but when I've listened to him again in those tapes, there are many times where I think he's fumbling and trying to think of the answer or offer info that would not only fit with Cindy's plan of cover up, but also protect his daughter. I also think that in his heart he wanted none of what he knew that indicated Caylee was gone, the smell he smelled in the car, coming home and finding out Casey was alive and Caylee was gone, the lies that Casey continued to spew forth...he still wanted to believe his daughter was not capable of committing such a horrible crime. I've always kind of seen George as the good guy, the one who was truly shaken and grieving about lil Caylee in this whole thing. But, I also think he's held many things back because not only was Cindy in charge and telling him what to say, also because it is his daughter who was being accused of all this lying and possibly murdering his grandaughter. I feel he's been torn from the moment this all started and just does not have the walnuts to tell all the truth as he sees or feels it. And of course he doesn't know who zanny is, nobody knows who zanny is because the zanny Casey invented doesn't exist.
If there were any honesty in that family ever, there may come a day when he can finally face and deal with the truth. I have a feeling that that day will come when Casey is convicted and from that day on he will no longer be able to live in the bubble of deceit any longer. I pray that he will not be so broken that he will really take his life. But, I also think he may do it for real then.

[Tracian]

I thought it was the Holy Spirit that lead people to worship. I guess Cindy has taken that spot now. The new Trinity, Father, Son and Cindy.

More likely they are going to church to stare and rubber neck at Cindy and George. It's the entertainment value if you ask me.


As someone raised in the Catholic Faith, though now a Wiccan...I gotta give you props on that visual...

But I was thinking ST. Cindy... the patron Saint of Gum Chewing and bottled water chugging...

[Dick Tracy]

hey no flame here DT :D

but: are you saying that GA saw CAYLEE on the 16th?

if you read his written statement its carefully worded. he also carefully worded his answer to LE when he was asked about the nite of the 15th: 'he was led to believe they were in the house' because he saw her car there? this was before 11pm IIRC.....they dont live in a sprawling mansion......he stumbles around and says I know my wife was home...

?????

but he didnt see Casey or Caylee?....or even mention that he asked the matriarch if they were in the bedroom?

then you would be inclined to believe he can recall exactly what clothing they wore a month ago?

its a problem when 3 people claim the event happened a week prior. coupled with the fact that Cindy had Caylee for the day that was not just 'an ordinary day'....it was a hallmark card day, father's day and a reason to go visit her own father....it had significance.

and they never say 'father's day'....very odd, isnt it? its almost as if they all might choke on those two words.......

if one of them, just one of them wrote on their FIRST STATEMENT, it was father's day weekend, and associated the wrong date with that, I would understand it....its something that can be easily understood...

but, again, they chose to ignore the significance of Cindy's outing with caylee.....

I find that to be the beginning of their lies.....that omission.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

great post.

The one thing that they are careful about NOT mentioning is that catfight that took place that on Sunday night. That is the C A T A L Y S T for what unfolds in the next 36 hours. Cindy was mean, direct, and forceful, in that argument. Casey blew up, and then the physical stuff starts. When it's all over, Casey still has the Caylee-anchor (rip) around her neck....

[Oregongal]

respectfully snipped....

and thats precisely what it was all about.......and that is precisely what the motive was: twofold.

the followup to that event, was the jailhouse call....the venom those two were exchanging leads me to only one conclusion.....that Cindy was responsible for causing Casey's rage....

Cindy knows it and Casey knows it. Cindy threw in a 'sweetheart' to keep Casey from blurting out what CINDY DID TO HER that caused her to leave in a rage.

Casey will never divulge what Cindy did 'to her' to cause her to lose control and kill. that would mean admitting she murdered Caylee and not quite a strong defense: (MOM PUSHED ME TO IT?).....

remember what she said:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16993169/detail.html

"You don't know what my involvement is in (inaudible)?" Casey Anthony asked.

"Casey," Cindy Anthony said.

"Mom," Casey Anthony said.

"No, I don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart," Cindy Anthony said. "You are not telling me where she's at."

"Because I don't (expletive) know where she's at," Casey Anthony said. "You are kidding me?"

"Casey, don't waste your call screaming and hollering at me," Cindy Anthony said.

"Waste my call sitting in the jail?" Casey Anthony said.

"Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail?" Cindy Anthony said. "Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything…"

"Do me a favor and just tell me what Tony's number is," Casey Anthony said. "I don't want to talk to you. Forget it."

what I find interesting is that Cindy is hardly shocked she is arrested. listen to her demeanor, the content matter of her words to Casey......she openly admits on tape that she is aware of one fact: CASEY LIED and that is why she is in jail.

my thought process: back to the beginning, its pretty clear....that phone call will nail her in addition to her unresponsiveness to a supposedly 'kidnapped' child.

Im still wondering if they bugged the house. would be sweet. IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Thank you Pru for writing out exactly what I've been trying to say.
You are an amazing writer...will be looking forward to the book you write about this case. :wink:
I DO remember what was said in that call and I always thought it was Casey saying to her mom, like duh, mom, you know what I've done, you are just mad I won't tell you were I put her. And I don't care. I won't tell if you won't tell, now give me Tony's number.
I'm also still wondering if they bugged the house. I simply cannot believe that after Casey got home after being bailed out nothing was said about Caylee, where was she, what did you do Casey and on and on. I just cannot see Cindy tip toeing around Casey and never bringing the whole subject up at all. Especially since the last time they'd been physically together for any length of time and it was when that huge fight happened and it was the last time Cindy had seen Caylee.
No way was Casey just hip hopping around the house as if nothing had happened with neither Cindy or George questioning her intensly.

[Dick Tracy]

Will never flame you friend and I can see it both ways. The only thing that keeps me thinking that George didn't see them the 16th, is what I posted previously how she said to George on the 15th of July, before the sheriffs arrived....'we've lost Caylee'.
I know and accept that I could be wrong in how I see this.
Why would he lie to LE so early on? Because he is the patsy in all of this and he was told what to say by Cindy.
When he did do that secret interview with the FBI, I think he was trying to tell the truth as much as he could without telling the whole truth. He was trying to give as much info as he could, but when I've listened to him again in those tapes, there are many times where I think he's fumbling and trying to think of the answer or offer info that would not only fit with Cindy's plan of cover up, but also protect his daughter. I also think that in his heart he wanted none of what he knew that indicated Caylee was gone, the smell he smelled in the car, coming home and finding out Casey was alive and Caylee was gone, the lies that Casey continued to spew forth...he still wanted to believe his daughter was not capable of committing such a horrible crime. I've always kind of seen George as the good guy, the one who was truly shaken and grieving about lil Caylee in this whole thing. But, I also think he's held many things back because not only was Cindy in charge and telling him what to say, also because it is his daughter who was being accused of all this lying and possibly murdering his grandaughter. I feel he's been torn from the moment this all started and just does not have the walnuts to tell all the truth as he sees or feels it. And of course he doesn't know who zanny is, nobody knows who zanny is because the zanny Casey invented doesn't exist.
If there were any honesty in that family ever, there may come a day when he can finally face and deal with the truth. I have a feeling that that day will come when Casey is convicted and from that day on he will no longer be able to live in the bubble of deceit any longer. I pray that he will not be so broken that he will really take his life. But, I also think he may do it for real then.


"We've lost Caylee" is subject to interpretation. To me, it's just not open and shut with that statement. There's a time lag of days where GA and CA still think that ZFG has the kid, but that thought is fading fast with all the lies that Casey tells.

Yeah, I think he saw her on the 16th of June. Alive for the very last time. His interview with LE is in that time lag of days. I think that when he is confronted with what LE shares with him, that he realizes that everything about Zanny is now a BS story, and then his demeanor shifts and he goes into protect casey mode.

[adair]

hey no flame here DT :D

but: are you saying that GA saw CAYLEE on the 16th?

if you read his written statement its carefully worded. he also carefully worded his answer to LE when he was asked about the nite of the 15th: 'he was led to believe they were in the house' because he saw her car there? this was before 11pm IIRC.....they dont live in a sprawling mansion......he stumbles around and says I know my wife was home...

?????

but he didnt see Casey or Caylee?....or even mention that he asked the matriarch if they were in the bedroom?

then you would be inclined to believe he can recall exactly what clothing they wore a month ago?

its a problem when 3 people claim the event happened a week prior. coupled with the fact that Cindy had Caylee for the day that was not just 'an ordinary day'....it was a hallmark card day, father's day and a reason to go visit her own father....it had significance.

and they never say 'father's day'....very odd, isnt it? its almost as if they all might choke on those two words.......

if one of them, just one of them wrote on their FIRST STATEMENT, it was father's day weekend, and associated the wrong date with that, I would understand it....its something that can be easily understood...

but, again, they chose to ignore the significance of Cindy's outing with caylee.....

I find that to be the beginning of their lies.....that omission.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


I would think that day would be significant....Fathers Day.

If they did not have the video of Caylee with her Great Gramp Pa....would they still have stuck with the date of the original "lie"? I guess what I am trying to say is that, if Caylee's body was found, it would have given the "kidnappers" an additional week to dispose of the body, or time for the A's to distance them selves. Another thing i would like to know, is if there were any calls from the A home or G/C cell to Lee later in the evening.

I hope that I am not the only one still up.

jmo

[Dick Tracy]

Thank you Pru for writing out exactly what I've been trying to say.
You are an amazing writer...will be looking forward to the book you write about this case. :wink:
I DO remember what was said in that call and I always thought it was Casey saying to her mom, like duh, mom, you know what I've done, you are just mad I won't tell you were I put her. And I don't care. I won't tell if you won't tell, now give me Tony's number.
I'm also still wondering if they bugged the house. I simply cannot believe that after Casey got home after being bailed out nothing was said about Caylee, where was she, what did you do Casey and on and on. I just cannot see Cindy tip toeing around Casey and never bringing the whole subject up at all. Especially since the last time they'd been physically together for any length of time and it was when that huge fight happened and it was the last time Cindy had seen Caylee.
No way was Casey just hip hopping around the house as if nothing had happened with neither Cindy or George questioning her intensly.

Pru needs to start a BLOG and be a writer, and have contributors. Reading some of Pru's posts is like reading a good mystery novel. I know I'd read it, and follow it daily. So would thousands of others. We could call it DearPrudence.com !!!!!

[Dick Tracy]

I would think that day would be significant....Fathers Day.

If they did not have the video of Caylee with her Great Gramp Pa....would they still have stuck with the date of the original "lie"? I guess what I am trying to say is that, if Caylee's body was found, it would have given the "kidnappers" an additional week to dispose of the body, or time for the A's to distance them selves. Another thing i would like to know, is if there were any calls from the A home or G/C cell to Lee later in the evening.

I hope that I am not the only one still up.

jmo

Adair, you are not alone.

I'm assuming that you are talking about calls from the Anthony's to Lee the night of the 15th? If there was, what would the significance of that be ?

[adair]

You are so right. I've been thinking that the whole time. But she's lying still, because she knows where Caylee is. That exchange between Casey and Cindy is chilling. Cindy knew how to get to the point with Casey, she's been doing it all her life. She's direct and to the point - your in jail because you lied. And Casey immediately cancels out.

I'd like to know what the revelation was for the Anthony's to know that Casey was guilty, and that Caylee was gone. Was it the smell in the trunk? Or was it a combination of things? Was it the realization that there was no ZFG?

Was the date of this jail visit after Cindy and George spoke with LE and LE told Cindy it was all a big fat lie.........

[crimeq]

I thought it was the Holy Spirit that lead people to worship. I guess Cindy has taken that spot now. The new Trinity, Father, Son and Cindy.

More likely they are going to church to stare and rubber neck at Cindy and George. It's the entertainment value if you ask me.

That's all that's left of the Hand family, of course Cindy has to elevate it.

[adair]

Adair, you are not alone.

I'm assuming that you are talking about calls from the Anthony's to Lee the night of the 15th? If there was, what would the significance of that be ?

This is just my opinion.

George calls Lee to come to the house when Cindy finally locates KC and brings her home...George wanted Lee at the house. Cindy calls Lee to go and find his sister. Now if KC is out bonding with her daughter, why would Lee be asked to find kc?

It seems like when there is a kc problem they call Lee.... so i am wondering if KC took off with Caylee that night, they would logically call Lee and hope that Lee could calm kc down...etc

just my opinion.

[Oregongal]

"We've lost Caylee" is subject to interpretation. To me, it's just not open and shut with that statement. There's a time lag of days where GA and CA still think that ZFG has the kid, but that thought is fading fast with all the lies that Casey tells.

Yeah, I think he saw her on the 16th of June. Alive for the very last time. His interview with LE is in that time lag of days. I think that when he is confronted with what LE shares with him, that he realizes that everything about Zanny is now a BS story, and then his demeanor shifts and he goes into protect casey mode.

I completely see what you are saying DT.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. I have thought from the beginning that George was lying when he said he saw Casey and Caylee the 16th. I will admit, I could be wrong, but there are too many things that threw up red flags to me about his account of that day.
Neither of us may ever know the truth of that day. And I'm willing to take your opinion and feelings into account and ponder on them.
:wink:

[Oregongal]

Pru needs to start a BLOG and be a writer, and have contributors. Reading some of Pru's posts is like reading a good mystery novel. I know I'd read it, and follow it daily. So would thousands of others. We could call it DearPrudence.com !!!!!

:thumbsup:

[ccnsd]

You are so right. I've been thinking that the whole time. But she's lying still, because she knows where Caylee is. That exchange between Casey and Cindy is chilling. Cindy knew how to get to the point with Casey, she's been doing it all her life. She's direct and to the point - your in jail because you lied. And Casey immediately cancels out.

I'd like to know what the revelation was for the Anthony's to know that Casey was guilty, and that Caylee was gone. Was it the smell in the trunk? Or was it a combination of things? Was it the realization that there was no ZFG?

Hi DT, imo...it was when GA picked the car up at impound/smell, GA knew right then.
After having his confrontation w/KC on the 24th? when she threw the gas cans at him.
More imo...GA had already been thinking about something bad happening senerio 20-25 days prior, he just didn't know what, when or how.

KC was histronic? prior to Caylee missing.
jmo

[crimeq]

Sorry, no absynthe.

But I do agree she did flip the "Lee"

jmo

I have watched over and over on full screen; no question she flipped the Lee and had a facial expression to match; also finally saw the hand of the reporter in the far corner, with a notebook, writing--and I agree with whomever said earlier that it appears to be the hand of a black woman. Whoever said that (sorry, late, don't remember) said she thought Nancy Grace's assistant was black.

Cindy's behavior is reprehensible. I hope someone sends blowups of that to Judge Rodriguez before the hearing Thursday.

Cindy's not getting her way, but I wonder if she would have flipped the Lee even if things were going her way. She is so filled with hatred and self-entitlement.

Looks like today was a b-a-d day for the Ants.

[adair]

Hi DT, imo...it was when GA picked the car up at impound/smell, GA knew right then.
After having his confrontation w/KC on the 24th? when she threw the gas cans at him.
More imo...GA had already been thinking about something bad happening senerio 20-25 days prior, he just didn't know what, when or how.

KC was histronic? prior to Caylee missing.
jmo


I think we almost need to lay this out in collums (sp)
With the Date.
What G said to Le
What G said to FBI
What G said in his deposition

The same for Cindy

The same for Lee

The same for oc

AND what can be proven or confirmed with others outside the family.

[Dick Tracy]

I completely see what you are saying DT.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. I have thought from the beginning that George was lying when he said he saw Casey and Caylee the 16th. I will admit, I could be wrong, but there are too many things that threw up red flags to me about his account of that day.
Neither of us may ever know the truth of that day. And I'm willing to take your opinion and feelings into account and ponder on them.
:wink:

I'm still maintaining that GA was straight up with LE once he got the date right from the 9th to the 16th right.

If I were LE I would ask GA - what time did Casey come home on the morning of the 16th? and if I were LE, I would ask Cindy why she called Casey's cell at 7:45 am on the 16th.

[Dick Tracy]

I think we almost need to lay this out in collums (sp)
With the Date.
What G said to Le
What G said to FBI
What G said in his deposition

The same for Cindy

The same for Lee

The same for oc

AND what can be proven or confirmed with others outside the family.

Check out those timeline links in the links section. they have some stuff like that now.

[Oregongal]

I would think that day would be significant....Fathers Day.

If they did not have the video of Caylee with her Great Gramp Pa....would they still have stuck with the date of the original "lie"? I guess what I am trying to say is that, if Caylee's body was found, it would have given the "kidnappers" an additional week to dispose of the body, or time for the A's to distance them selves. Another thing i would like to know, is if there were any calls from the A home or G/C cell to Lee later in the evening.

I hope that I am not the only one still up.
jmo

Bolding mine....I'm still here, for a bit anyway.
I think if they didn't have that time stamped vid with Great Gpa, they would have stuck with the original 'lie'. I don't know why each of them claimed that the 9th was the last time they'd seen Caylee. The only reason I can think of is when Cindy found Casey...after having Lee try and track her down and find her around the 3rd of July, they (Cindy) knew something was definantly wrong and even if they didn't know at that time that Caylee was gone, they were trying to push the date back in order to protect and cover for Casey AND distance themselves from that fight that happened on that Hallmark day....Father's Day.
Unfortunantly for them, but fortunantly for LE the video told the truth about the real date and forever more Father's Day will be the hallmark day of something the Ant's want no one to know about. A day something horrible happened between mother and daughter and what happened between them may have lead to the demise of of Caylee.

[adair]

i think it was for lavinia.


that is it lizzie you owe me a beer & a bottle of screen cleaner!!!!!!!! Roflmao

[adair]

Bolding mine....I'm still here, for a bit anyway.
I think if they didn't have that time stamped vid with Great Gpa, they would have stuck with the original 'lie'. I don't know why each of them claimed that the 9th was the last time they'd seen Caylee. The only reason I can think of is when Cindy found Casey...after having Lee try and track her down and find her around the 3rd of July, they (Cindy) knew something was definantly wrong and even if they didn't know at that time that Caylee was gone, they were trying to push the date back in order to protect and cover for Casey AND distance themselves from that fight that happened on that Hallmark day....Father's Day.
Unfortunantly for them, but fortunantly for LE the video told the truth about the real date and forever more Father's Day will be the hallmark day of something the Ant's want no one to know about. A day something horrible happened between mother and daughter and what happened between them may have lead to the demise of of Caylee.

I just cannot imagine having to associate that day with when you lost your granddaughter. Well I can, so maybe that is why i bring it up. I lost my Dad to pancreatic cancer 3 days after Christmas, the Drs tried to do surgery the day before Thanksgiving. 7 Days after my Dad was diagnosed my mom was diagnosed with lung cancer. They died 7 months to the day almost within the hour apart. They died at home with their kids and grandkids with them. This was almost 14 years ago...but i still dread the holidays. We dont have kids.

In my post i wrote lost. That means, to me gone. Missing is different.

I dont even know if this post makes sense......

[adair]

I'm still maintaining that GA was straight up with LE once he got the date right from the 9th to the 16th right.

If I were LE I would ask GA - what time did Casey come home on the morning of the 16th? and if I were LE, I would ask Cindy why she called Casey's cell at 7:45 am on the 16th.

IIRC George said that they came out of kcs room with back packs etc. How on earth do you keep a 2 yr old from not wanting to leave the room, to watch Dora or whatever, or eat breakfast, talk to Grandpa...play with the puppies...etc Maybe Grandpa would read her a story. I also mentioned this earlier in the week, if kc and Caylee were going to go to Univeral or whatever theme park, i would expect Caylee to be EXCITED about seeing Mickey or whoever.....She would have been pumped about that......


jmo The more I think about it, the more i am not believing George.

[Oregongal]

I just cannot imagine having to associate that day with when you lost your granddaughter. Well I can, so maybe that is why i bring it up. I lost my Dad to pancreatic cancer 3 days after Christmas, the Drs tried to do surgery the day before Thanksgiving. 7 Days after my Dad was diagnosed my mom was diagnosed with lung cancer. They died 7 months to the day almost within the hour apart. They died at home with their kids and grandkids with them. This was almost 14 years ago...but i still dread the holidays. We dont have kids.

In my post i wrote lost. That means, to me gone. Missing is different.

I dont even know if this post makes sense......

Oh, adair, it makes perfect sense to me. Your story is very close to mine. My dad (actually step, but was more a dad to me than my bio) died of cancer in Nov 2001. My mom who had many things wrong with her died 2 days after Christmas 2002. I think she died of a broken heart. If dad had been around, they'd been married for over 34 yrs, she may even still be here with me.
As with you, when I think lost, that means death. I also dread the holidays. From Thanksgiving to after New Years, my mom's memorial was held on New Year's Eve. Those holidays will never be the same for me.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Loss as in lost....not missing.
Prayers for you from me and lots of hugs darlin.
:wub:

[Oregongal]

IIRC George said that they came out of kcs room with back packs etc. How on earth do you keep a 2 yr old from not wanting to leave the room, to watch Dora or whatever, or eat breakfast, talk to Grandpa...play with the puppies...etc Maybe Grandpa would read her a story. I also mentioned this earlier in the week, if kc and Caylee were going to go to Univeral or whatever theme park, i would expect Caylee to be EXCITED about seeing Mickey or whoever.....She would have been pumped about that......


jmo The more I think about it, the more i am not believing George.

EXACTLY!!!
Especially since George claimed to have spent the majority of mornings with Caylee, fixing her breakfast and playing with her.
Yet, on this day he gets up, showers, gets ready for work and then just kicks back watching the food channel and then finally sees (hears) Casey and Caylee already packed up and ready to walk out the door? And can describe exactly what each of them were wearing a month ago?
Nope, don't believe his story. Never have.
I believe this story came from Cindy to explain th difference between the so called mistaken date of he 9th when they all at first claimed the last time they say Casey and Caylee was disproved with the time stamped video of Caylee with GGpa on Father's Day, the 15th of June.
Sorry DT, I just cannot believe that Casey came home before George left for work and he saw them. She came home after being gone all night and came home with a dead Caylee in her car.

[Oregongal]

My eyes are starting to blur, time to say good night all.
Sleep well my friends.
:wub:

[aproudmom]

:ohmy:OMG when the drama circus crap with ALL the party's in Haleigh's case does not want anything to do with these people that is a very strong message...lol...JMO of course..for once RC is doing something good keeping his distance from these people

PALATKA, Fla. -- Attorneys for the father of a missing 5-year-old north Florida girl issued a news release on Tuesday, saying the family of their client, Ronald Cummings, does not want "any involvement by George and Cindy Anthony in the continuing search for Haleigh Cummings."

[aproudmom]

BTW Hi everyone been a little under the weather for a couple of days and Baseball is starting with my son so have not been on in 2 days..hope I did not miss to much..

[aproudmom]

:thumbsup:these judges do not put up with bull crap in their courtrooms kudos to them..who ever this lawyer is on behalf of KC was just told the same thing Bozo was told pretty much shut up or if you have a problem come to sidebar..lol..

I feel really bad for ZG BUT I am not so sure that if I was on KC defense I would not ask for it to be moved till after the trial and then also go after CA and GA that is the one way to keep them from making blood money off of little Caylee..heck If I was JG I would go after them they pretty much was trying to make LE think he did this to Caylee....JMO