Monday May 18/09

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

:rose:

Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/Gue...onId=121581033 (http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033)

:rose:

Caylee's Law

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/cay...rom%20your%20b (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/caylees-law--a-law-to-protect-children?This%20is%20from%20your%20b)

[desmom]

Tomorrow is the motion hearing for:

Casey Lawyer Wants Civil Suit Tossed
Hearing Scheduled For May 19
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19472154/detail.html

I believe there is another hearing at toward the end of the week re Cindy answering questions for the civil suit.

ETA ~ Here it is: http://www.wesh.com/news/19471201/detail.html
Later in the week, another hearing is expected before Judge Jose Rodriguez to determine whether he will order the Anthonys to answer certain questions they would not in their depositions at the offices of Morgan and Morgan last month.

[Explorer]

Hi everyone, whats the word on how g&c did on Larry Kimg Live? Is their foudation raking in the cash? Anyone know?

[Explorer]

Tomorrow is the motion hearing for:

Casey Lawyer Wants Civil Suit Tossed
Hearing Scheduled For May 19
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19472154/detail.html

I believe there is another hearing at toward the end of the week re Cindy answering questions for the civil suit.

I dont think the civil suit will tossed.

[Explorer]

When g&c were on LKL and he asked them if they had any suspects, I just thought to myself they better not name anyone or there will be more lawsuits and depos. I dont think they want that:laugh:

[desmom]

Families of Caylee and Haleigh gather
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/051709_Vigil

"Whoever has her, I know you're watching. Please bring her home. Haleigh I love you. I won't ever give up on you." Seconds later, Crystal started to collapse.

Cindy knew exactly what to do. "I've been there. People have put chairs underneath me many times."

[Explorer]

The entire interview was posted last week. After a few posters calculated things up the best they could we came up with NO more than $3000. (If that) LKL was excellent while interviewing them. He asked some pretty tough questions and George and Cindy did squirm a bit.:glare:

Im mighty glad to hear that thanks.

[Lavinia]

Dick Tracy was asking about the discrepancy between the Google and Microsoft maps on whether their was housing behind the A's house last night/early this morning according to some images he brought up.

http://66.147.242.155/~brazdasf/houses-behind-anthonys.htm

Look at the differing perspectives there are in those two images. One is much closer to their back yard than the other and so the water/woods area is "cropped"out of the other pic. I believe you would find the same housing in the 2 pics if you zoomed at the same concentration, IMO.

[BlueHeron]

whew, I almost missed the bus. bringing this over from the last thread cause I'm really interested in this one:


Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsHudson http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13114189#post13114189)
I agree with you and it just makes me wonder why George and Cindy have not been indicted for at least the charge of lying to a police investigator. There is a lie because as you say someone from the A' home called Casey's cell at 7:45! So what the cops waiting for? They should charge them!!!


The call may be easy to explain away IF it's less than a minute or never answered, and it pings off the tower near the A home. I misplace my cell all the time, and call the number to locate it in the house. This could be what happened, or at least what they will say happened.

If however, a voicemail was left, or a conversation took place registering longer than a minute, or if her phone pinged off a tower showing she wasn't at home, then this will be significant.

Does anyone have more info about this call? How long did it last? Was her phone turned on, and what tower did it ping to at that time? If a voicemail was left, that would be soooo good! I think they (phone provider) might be able to retrieve it.

[*MoonRider*]

whew, I almost missed the bus. bringing this over from the last thread cause I'm really interested in this one:



The call may be easy to explain away IF it's less than a minute or never answered, and it pings off the tower near the A home. I misplace my cell all the time, and call the number to locate it in the house. This could be what happened, or at least what they will say happened.

If however, a voicemail was left, or a conversation took place registering longer than a minute, or if her phone pinged off a tower showing she wasn't at home, then this will be significant.

Does anyone have more info about this call? How long did it last? Was her phone turned on, and what tower did it ping to at that time? If a voicemail was left, that would be soooo good! I think they (phone provider) might be able to retrieve it.


GM. Here's the cell phone logs and pings. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=0

[BlueHeron]

GM. Here's the cell phone logs and pings. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=0


Would she ping off that Goldenrod tower if she was at home? Does anybody know?

[desmom]

Dick Tracy was asking about the discrepancy between the Google and Microsoft maps on whether their was housing behind the A's house last night/early this morning according to some images he brought up.

http://66.147.242.155/~brazdasf/houses-behind-anthonys.htm

Look at the differing perspectives there are in those two images. One is much closer to their back yard than the other and so the water/woods area is "cropped"out of the other pic. I believe you would find the same housing in the 2 pics if you zoomed at the same concentration, IMO.

Microsoft Live Search Maps shows Florence Harbor Drive, the name of the street behind the A's, as developed property.

Google Maps shows Florence Harbor as undeveloped property.

TerraServer maps from 2002 show the area as undeveloped property.

A search for Florence Harbor on google popped up several houses for sale or in foreclosure. The listings show the houses were built 2004 - 2006.

Hope this helps. jmo

[desmom]

Would she ping off that Goldenrod tower if she was at home? Does anybody know?

When I was following Trenton Duckett case, tower pings were discussed in depth in the media and on the boards. They way I understand it is the phone pings the closest tower. If the closest tower is overloaded/busy, the call will bounce to the next closest tower. I do not know if that is still true or not. jmo

ETA ~ I found this article: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17874799/detail.html

On Monday, June 16, Anthony's father, George Anthony, said he he saw his daughter and granddaughter leave his house at about 1 p.m.

"But if they did leave at that time, the cell records show they did not go far. Casey's cell phone communicated that afternoon through the same three cell towers she could reach from her home," Pipitone said.

At 1 p.m., Anthony made a 14-minute call to her boyfriend, Tony Lazzaro. At 1:44 p.m., she made a 36-minute call to her then-best friend, Amy Huizenga. At 2:52 p.m., there was an 11-minute call with ex-fiance Jesse Grund. All of the calls used cell towers that can be reached from her parents' home, Pipitone said.

[Lavinia]

Microsoft Live Search Maps shows Florence Harbor Drive, the name of the street behind the A's, as developed property.

Google Maps shows Florence Harbor as undeveloped property.

TerraServer maps from 2002 show the area as undeveloped property.

A search for Florence Harbor on google popped up several houses for sale or in foreclosure. The listings show the houses were built 2004 - 2006.

Hope this helps. jmo

That does help, Desmom! I see where he's talking about now! I was comparing apple and oranges here. My boo-boo.

[BlueHeron]

When I was following Trenton Duckett case, tower pings were discussed in depth in the media and on the boards. They way I understand it is the phone pings the closest tower. If the closest tower is overloaded/busy, the call will bounce to the next closest tower. I do not know if that is still true or not. jmo

ETA ~ I found this article: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17874799/detail.html

On Monday, June 16, Anthony's father, George Anthony, said he he saw his daughter and granddaughter leave his house at about 1 p.m.

"But if they did leave at that time, the cell records show they did not go far. Casey's cell phone communicated that afternoon through the same three cell towers she could reach from her home," Pipitone said.

At 1 p.m., Anthony made a 14-minute call to her boyfriend, Tony Lazzaro. At 1:44 p.m., she made a 36-minute call to her then-best friend, Amy Huizenga. At 2:52 p.m., there was an 11-minute call with ex-fiance Jesse Grund. All of the calls used cell towers that can be reached from her parents' home, Pipitone said.

Thanks. Then it seems this call is of little value to LE. Can easily be explained away as "I was looking for my phone". The thing that's interesting is that it has to be answered to register the minute, correct? That also is explainable I guess by saying she hit the answer button to shut the ringing off. Sigh...I was hoping for more. :bored:

[*MoonRider*]

Thanks. Then it seems this call is of little value to LE. Can easily be explained away as "I was looking for my phone". The thing that's interesting is that it has to be answered to register the minute, correct? That also is explainable I guess by saying she hit the answer button to shut the ringing off. Sigh...I was hoping for more. :bored:

Actually duration of call is in seconds.

[Myka]

good morning from Biloxi, Ms where we woke up to a cool 57 degrees!! We have had heat indexes of 95/96 temps with 90% humitiy and no rain in sight, so the cool weather is very welcomed

Dr Master's blog (at weatherunderground) is all a buzz about some much needed rain for Florida. Some models are calling for 5 inches or so.

I was wondering if Orlando gets pounded for 2 or 3 days, would the area where Caylee was found flood again?

[Scampi]

My thoughts on mommy and daddy lying and obstructing all thru this investigation, is that every instance will be brought out at trial in an effort by the Prosecutors to reveal how incredible george and cindy are as witnesses. It's a smart move by the State in not
charging them, imo.

I also think there is every indication both will be hostile witnesses and treated as such.

[Lavinia]

I got a response to my email from Cindy:

I have the complete backing of my family our friends, our church, my therapist, thousands of others who actually know something. Susan I am sorry you do not agree with what I am about but that is your problem, not mine. I can live with myself and I do not need to be handleed. I think that is your issue. You seem to want to handle this. Stop. You cannot. What I understand is that you believe one thing and I believe something else. That is ok. Our Pastors sermon today was about not caring what people think about you because the only one that matters is GOD. He knows what is in my heart. If you do not see it I can not help you. Because of my faith and what I have given back to our church our membership has grown by 1/3 in size. All new members have joined because I brought them there. God is the only one stronger, that I will listen to. Susan, I am grateful for your concern, if it is real then please blog about the National Vigil For Hope that I will be speaking at tonight. This is another good thing that came from my bullheadedness as you call it not to give up hope. Families are being helped. All I have to say.

From: ratched@<deleted>
To: cindy@dgator.com
Subject: Please accept help.
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:12:09 -0500

Your bullheadedness, control issues and apparent refusal to follow the advice of any professional that tries to "handle" you and advise you, is ruining your entire family and is surely putting your daughter's life in worse danger than if you had behaved in a dignified and honorable way from the beginning. WHAT PART OF THAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING????

I am not a blogger who picks people apart. Actually, I have great empathy for the families of murderers because if has to be HORRIBLE for the parents. But all the ones I know of have some humility and don't act like obnoxious liars at every turn.

YOU'RE doing this Cindy. No one else. You have this whole thing run off in the ditch and you have little, if any time to change course.

Learn something from your mistakes or one day, when you finally get some personal insight which you seem to be woefully lacking, you will die from guilt because of what you've done.

You need help. Professional help. Someone stronger than you that won't allow you to bulldoze them, because that's how you roll. Full steam ahead, right or wrong, dammit. Maybe someone taught you that is a positive characteristic and may even appear as strength, but that is far from the truth.

I'm telling you all this, which sounds really mean, because I am SO frustrated with you. I know things can be so much better for you and your family in this HORRIFIC situation and I truly want you to take the opportunity to "fix" this. It's very difficult when someone refuses to see what everyone else can plainly see.

Susan <deleted>

[*MoonRider*]

good morning from Biloxi, Ms where we woke up to a cool 57 degrees!! We have had heat indexes of 95/96 temps with 90% humitiy and no rain in sight, so the cool weather is very welcomed

Dr Master's blog (at weatherunderground) is all a buzz about some much needed rain for Florida. Some models are calling for 5 inches or so.

I was wondering if Orlando gets pounded for 2 or 3 days, would the area where Caylee was found flood again?IIRC the neighbors that were interviewed said the area flooded every year. Thanks for the heads up on the rain. It is desperately needed in Florida.

[AMS]

My thoughts on mommy and daddy lying and obstructing all thru this investigation, is that every instance will be brought out at trial in an effort by the Prosecutors to reveal how incredible george and cindy are as witnesses. It's a smart move by the State in not
charging them, imo.

I also think there is every indication both will be hostile witnesses and treated as such.

Morning Scampi - what happenes when a witness is treated as a "hostile witness"?

Thanks.

[jammies]

Lav,

Cindy's faith apparently is in Cindy.

[Neffy]

Families of Caylee and Haleigh gather
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/051709_Vigil

"Whoever has her, I know you're watching. Please bring her home. Haleigh I love you. I won't ever give up on you." Seconds later, Crystal started to collapse.

Cindy knew exactly what to do. "I've been there. People have put chairs underneath me many times."

What can you say. Certainly no "ugly coping" from Crystal Sheffield.

[Neffy]

Lav,

Cindy's faith apparently is in Cindy.

:laugh::laugh:

Yes, if we can talk more about Cindy and keep it about Cindy our concern will be real! GMAB!

[Lavinia]

Lav,

Cindy's faith apparently is in Cindy.

Apparently. <sigh>

[Scampi]

Morning Scampi - what happenes when a witness is treated as a "hostile witness"?

Thanks.

Morning A!! I knew it had something to do with how the Prosecutor could question them, so I looked it up to be sure. This explains it pretty good:


A hostile witness is a witness in a trial who testifies for the opposing party or a witness who offers adverse testimony to the calling party during direct examination.

A witness called by the opposing party is presumed hostile. A witness called by the direct examiner can be declared hostile by a judge, at the request of the examiner, when the witness' testimony is openly antagonistic or clearly prejudiced to the opposing party.

A party examining a hostile witness may question the witness as if in cross-examination, thus permitting the use of leading questions. A hostile witness is sometimes known as an adverse witness.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_witness

[*MoonRider*]

Apparently. <sigh> If only we could be as godlike as Cindy. It shows her manipulative grandiose sense of self. God doesn't like lying. imo :mad:

[Scampi]

Thanks for sharing that email Lavie. I cannot believe cindy is taking credit for increasing the membership in that church. I tell ya, the ego of this family knows absolutely no bounds.

The fact that cindy is responding to emails is a potential nightmare for her daughter's defense, imo.

[AMS]

Morning A!! I knew it had something to do with how the Prosecutor could question them, so I looked it up to be sure. This explains it pretty good:


A hostile witness is a witness in a trial who testifies for the opposing party or a witness who offers adverse testimony to the calling party during direct examination.

A witness called by the opposing party is presumed hostile. A witness called by the direct examiner can be declared hostile by a judge, at the request of the examiner, when the witness' testimony is openly antagonistic or clearly prejudiced to the opposing party.

A party examining a hostile witness may question the witness as if in cross-examination, thus permitting the use of leading questions. A hostile witness is sometimes known as an adverse witness.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_witness

Thank you ma'am. Oh yeah, they will be hostile witnesses.

imo

[ellegna]

My thoughts on mommy and daddy lying and obstructing all thru this investigation, is that every instance will be brought out at trial in an effort by the Prosecutors to reveal how incredible george and cindy are as witnesses. It's a smart move by the State in not
charging them, imo.

I also think there is every indication both will be hostile witnesses and treated as such.

Morning Scamp

Amazing how one State treats evidence tampering/obstruction compared to another State.

Sheila Michael, 52, was served with warrants Wednesday afternoon.

Aimee Michael, her daughter, has already admitted she caused the Easter Sunday crash on Camp Creek Parkway that killed two adults and three children. Police say Aimee left the scene in her BMW and told her mother about the crash two days later -- but no one with the family came forward. And, police say, Sheila Michael then helped Aimee pay a body shop repairman to fix the BMW's body damage.

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=129657&catid=3

IMO repairing a car to hide evidence is no different than cleaning, removing items and then wash. Casey's car was definitely a crime scene and Cindy/George had no business tampering with the car until LE/CSI arrived. :mad:

[breezie]

Thank you ma'am. Oh yeah, they will be hostile witnesses.

imo


they are hostile people. I bet they are sickening sweet for Baez, though.

Anybody know the time for the hearing tomorrow?

[Xmygrits]

Dick Tracy was asking about the discrepancy between the Google and Microsoft maps on whether their was housing behind the A's house last night/early this morning according to some images he brought up.

http://66.147.242.155/~brazdasf/houses-behind-anthonys.htm

Look at the differing perspectives there are in those two images. One is much closer to their back yard than the other and so the water/woods area is "cropped"out of the other pic. I believe you would find the same housing in the 2 pics if you zoomed at the same concentration, IMO.


Good morning everyone!

The difference in the two map pics is the date each aerial was taken. A new subdivision was built behind their house a few years ago and property lines behind the A's house is seperated by what is called a swale, small ditch with grass.

Yesterday, I finally broke down and visited the sight where Caylee's remains were found. I walked the 19' down to where her skull was located just off of Suburban Drive. I went by the school then drove around the corner and down the street to the Anthony's house. Lee's black Mustang was out in front and all else was quiet. The house and yard look very unkept.

After this little trip it dawned on me...Take the jury by bus to the location were Caylee was thrown away, then drive them around to the house then back to the courthouse. This little trip removes ALL DOUBT!!!!!

[Scampi]

Morning Scamp

Amazing how one State treats evidence tampering/obstruction compared to another State.

Sheila Michael, 52, was served with warrants Wednesday afternoon.

Aimee Michael, her daughter, has already admitted she caused the Easter Sunday crash on Camp Creek Parkway that killed two adults and three children. Police say Aimee left the scene in her BMW and told her mother about the crash two days later -- but no one with the family came forward. And, police say, Sheila Michael then helped Aimee pay a body shop repairman to fix the BMW's body damage.

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=129657&catid=3

IMO repairing a car to hide evidence is no different than cleaning, removing items and then wash. Casey's car was definitely a crime scene and Cindy/George had no business tampering with the car until LE/CSI arrived. :mad:


Thanks for posting that Canada!! I think LE has given the anthonys some leeway for two reasons. They hoped to get evidence from them and they extended some compassion to them because they did lose Caylee. I don't think cindy and george appreciated it tho.

[cassidy]

I got a response to my email from Cindy:

I have the complete backing of my family our friends, our church, my therapist, thousands of others who actually know something. Susan I am sorry you do not agree with what I am about but that is your problem, not mine. I can live with myself and I do not need to be handleed. I think that is your issue. You seem to want to handle this. Stop. You cannot. What I understand is that you believe one thing and I believe something else. That is ok. Our Pastors sermon today was about not caring what people think about you because the only one that matters is GOD. He knows what is in my heart. If you do not see it I can not help you. Because of my faith and what I have given back to our church our membership has grown by 1/3 in size. All new members have joined because I brought them there. God is the only one stronger, that I will listen to. Susan, I am grateful for your concern, if it is real then please blog about the National Vigil For Hope that I will be speaking at tonight. This is another good thing that came from my bullheadedness as you call it not to give up hope. Families are being helped. All I have to say.

>

***snipped***

All I can say is WOW! She is really full of herself huh?

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone!

The difference in the two map pics is the date each aerial was taken. A new subdivision was built behind their house a few years ago and property lines behind the A's house is seperated by what is called a swale, small ditch with grass.

Yesterday, I finally broke down and visited the sight where Caylee's remains were found. I walked the 19' down to where her skull was located just off of Suburban Drive. I went by the school then drove around the corner and down the street to the Anthony's house. Lee's black Mustang was out in front and all else was quiet. The house and yard look very unkept.

After this little trip it dawned on me...Take the jury by bus to the location were Caylee was thrown away, then drive them around to the house then back to the courthouse. This little trip removes ALL DOUBT!!!!!

Grits, can you tell me just how far her little skull was found from the street. I have never been clear on that measurement.

[Barbara fl.]

whew, I almost missed the bus. bringing this over from the last thread cause I'm really interested in this one:



The call may be easy to explain away IF it's less than a minute or never answered, and it pings off the tower near the A home. I misplace my cell all the time, and call the number to locate it in the house. This could be what happened, or at least what they will say happened.

If however, a voicemail was left, or a conversation took place registering longer than a minute, or if her phone pinged off a tower showing she wasn't at home, then this will be significant.

Does anyone have more info about this call? How long did it last? Was her phone turned on, and what tower did it ping to at that time? If a voicemail was left, that would be soooo good! I think they (phone provider) might be able to retrieve it.




Good morning everyone,


All it says is that "records show that a call was placed from the Anthony home to Caey's cell.......it doesn't say whether it was answered or not or if a voice mail was left.....

Like you said, it can be taken different ways....that she dialed her number to find her phone (which we probably all have done)..or that Cindy or George could have been concerned that Casey left the night before with Caylee and they were trying to make contact....

Also, the Anthony's did NOT answer the calls from Casey later that afternoon.....so, if they were worried, they would have answered...jmo

Now, Casey leaves a long time line as to when she supposedly dropped Caylee off on the 16th of june (between 9am and 1pm)...George claimed to have seen then leaving the house at 12:30pm that same day.....

Then Casey claims to have went to sawgrass apt's on the 16th to pick up Caylee between 5pm and 7pm....Records show that Casey tried to reach her parents between 3:03pm and 6:32PM and left a voice mail (don't know what was said) and she again calls the Anthony home at 7:06pm......she calls Amy at 7:20pm and is seen on video at Blockbusters with TonE at 8pm......

[jammies]

Good morning everyone!

The difference in the two map pics is the date each aerial was taken. A new subdivision was built behind their house a few years ago and property lines behind the A's house is seperated by what is called a swale, small ditch with grass.

Yesterday, I finally broke down and visited the sight where Caylee's remains were found. I walked the 19' down to where her skull was located just off of Suburban Drive. I went by the school then drove around the corner and down the street to the Anthony's house. Lee's black Mustang was out in front and all else was quiet. The house and yard look very unkept.

After this little trip it dawned on me...Take the jury by bus to the location were Caylee was thrown away, then drive them around to the house then back to the courthouse. This little trip removes ALL DOUBT!!!!!


Include a visit to the car and there you have it.

[AMS]

Thanks for posting that Canada!! I think LE has given the anthonys some leeway for two reasons. They hoped to get evidence from them and they extended some compassion to them because they did lose Caylee. I don't think cindy and george appreciated it tho.

I agree. As the A's keep yapping, more and more inconsistencies will come out. Their inability to keep quiet will help the state imo.

imo

[breezie]

***snipped***

All I can say is WOW! She is really full of herself huh?

I wonder when she joined that Church. She sure wasn't *Godly* towards folks when this began.

[*MoonRider*]

Good morning everyone!

The difference in the two map pics is the date each aerial was taken. A new subdivision was built behind their house a few years ago and property lines behind the A's house is seperated by what is called a swale, small ditch with grass.

Yesterday, I finally broke down and visited the sight where Caylee's remains were found. I walked the 19' down to where her skull was located just off of Suburban Drive. I went by the school then drove around the corner and down the street to the Anthony's house. Lee's black Mustang was out in front and all else was quiet. The house and yard look very unkept.

After this little trip it dawned on me...Take the jury by bus to the location were Caylee was thrown away, then drive them around to the house then back to the courthouse. This little trip removes ALL DOUBT!!!!!

I'm surprised the yard looked unkept. They do have so much time on their hands. When the media was out there they couldn't stay off the yard with their hammers and hoses. Wonder where they are getting their tans.

[AMS]

I'm surprised the yard looked unkept. They do have so much time on their hands. When the media was out there they couldn't stay off the yard with their hammers and hoses. Wonder where they are getting their tans.

Must be on the boat :wink:

imo

[Xmygrits]

Grits, can you tell me just how far her little skull was found from the street. I have never been clear on that measurement.

Nineteen feet from the pavement.

I went on several searches for her with TES and odly enough now I am working with someone who is working on this case. They asked me the other day if I'd been over there yet and I told them "no, I haven't". For some reason I had not felt the need to go until yesterday. Now I have a very real perspective of what happened and how.

[Barbara fl.]

***snipped***

All I can say is WOW! She is really full of herself huh?

Hi,


She is full of more than herself.....this woman has the audacity to bring up the Lord's name while she is trying to cover the murder of one of the Lords prescious child that was murdered at the hands of her daughter....

Cindy is now using God to try and protect her daughter....This whole family is disgusting.....

[Lavinia]

***snipped***

All I can say is WOW! She is really full of herself huh?

Well, who's to say what the number of the congregation was before she joined. There may be 3 members now. :wink:

(How will she know when her God is speaking to her when she won't shut up?)

[AMS]

Hi,


She is full of more than herself.....this woman has the audacity to bring up the Lord's name while she is trying to cover the murder of one of the Lords prescious child that was murdered at the hands of her daughter....

Cindy is now using God to try and protect her daughter....This whole family is disgusting.....


She is trying the faith angle to see how the public responds. On the Early Show when she talked about her suicide attempts, she said it was Casey who saved her. That didn't work well with the public so on Larry King she said it was her "faith" that saved her. :angry:

imo

[Scampi]

Nineteen feet from the pavement.

I went on several searches for her with TES and odly enough now I am working with someone who is working on this case. They asked me the other day if I'd been over there yet and I told them "no, I haven't". For some reason I had not felt the need to go until yesterday. Now I have a very real perspective of what happened and how.

Okay, sorry to be such a bother, but how far into the woods would you estimate, starting at the beginning of the heavy foilage. That's the estimate I am truly wondering about.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience, I am glad you are working with someone on the case. Hope you share with us when you can.

:seeya:

[cassidy]

Well, who's to say what the number of the congregation was before she joined. There may be 3 members now. :wink:

(How will she know when her God is speaking to her when she won't shut up?)

LOL and how does eh know that God doesn't speak to anyone but her? next thing you know she'll be getting an online ministers degree and starting her own church.

JMO

[Scampi]

She is trying the faith angle to see how the public responds. On the Early Show when she talked about her suicide attempts, she said it was Casey who saved her. That didn't work well with the public so on Larry King she said it was her "faith" that saved her. :angry:

imo

Wow, great catch A, you're right she did change it. :mad:

[Barbara fl.]

I wonder when she joined that Church. She sure wasn't *Godly* towards folks when this began.


Probably for the memorial...the church probably offered there premises and that's when Cindy took advantage and figured it would make this family look good (like that can happen).....

They just don't strike me as religious people.....

I wanted to laugh when George was telling Casey (while in jail) about a young man whocame to their door and they invited it....and Casey says "That's right, the Bible say's to look after our neighbor's"...What about her own child? Did she think that it would be acceptable to murder her?

[Lavinia]

She is trying the faith angle to see how the public responds. On the Early Show when she talked about her suicide attempts, she said it was Casey who saved her. That didn't work well with the public so on Larry King she said it was her "faith" that saved her. :angry:

imo

ITA! I've been waiting for the spaghetti of religion to be thrown at the 'fridge.

[Barbara fl.]

She is trying the faith angle to see how the public responds. On the Early Show when she talked about her suicide attempts, she said it was Casey who saved her. That didn't work well with the public so on Larry King she said it was her "faith" that saved her. :angry:

imo

Let's face it....Cindy saved Cindy.....because she never attempted suicide...Cindy is trying every angle to get the publics sympathy...(but it wont work)....

[Lavinia]

LOL and how does eh know that God doesn't speak to anyone but her? next thing you know she'll be getting an online ministers degree and starting her own church.

JMO

HUSH your mouth! :chicken: :laugh:

[AMS]

I got a response to my email from Cindy:

I have the complete backing of my family our friends, our church, my therapist, thousands of others who actually know something. Susan I am sorry you do not agree with what I am about but that is your problem, not mine. I can live with myself and I do not need to be handleed. I think that is your issue. You seem to want to handle this. Stop. You cannot. What I understand is that you believe one thing and I believe something else. That is ok. Our Pastors sermon today was about not caring what people think about you because the only one that matters is GOD. He knows what is in my heart. If you do not see it I can not help you. Because of my faith and what I have given back to our church our membership has grown by 1/3 in size. All new members have joined because I brought them there. God is the only one stronger, that I will listen to. Susan, I am grateful for your concern, if it is real then please blog about the National Vigil For Hope that I will be speaking at tonight. This is another good thing that came from my bullheadedness as you call it not to give up hope. Families are being helped. All I have to say.

Snipped for space

>

Well at least she didn't ask you if you have put on weight like she did Anakerie :wink: Are you going to respond back to her?

imo

[Lavinia]

Let's face it....Cindy saved Cindy.....because she never attempted suicide...Cindy is trying every angle to get the publics sympathy...(but it wont work)....

AHA! She didn't say she attempted suicide, you will notice, she merely says she wrote a note or notes. There is no telling what that means in Cindy-speak.

[cassidy]

HUSH your mouth! :chicken: :laugh:LOL well they take donations and they are tax exempt. Right up her alley.

[Barbara fl.]

LOL and how does eh know that God doesn't speak to anyone but her? next thing you know she'll be getting an online ministers degree and starting her own church.

JMO

I wouldn't put it past her.....Casey said she would steal and lie and do anything she could to find her daughter.....so I guess Cindy is doing the same but adding using God to her agenda....

This family is disgusting....

[Xmygrits]

I'm surprised the yard looked unkept. They do have so much time on their hands. When the media was out there they couldn't stay off the yard with their hammers and hoses. Wonder where they are getting their tans.

The boat? :confused:

[Pam1569]

I noticed on myfoxorlando this morning that they have some of the vigil from last night on there.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/051709_Vigil

I just can't for the life of me figure that the A's can insert themselves on another family that truly has a missing child. Also I do believe that this is why the Haleigh case is now on the D & A website. http://dgator.com/default.aspx I wonder if DC is giving the A's a commission for every new case that they (the A's) bring to him?

[Lavinia]

Well at least she didn't ask you if you have put on weight like she did Anakerie :wink: Are you going to respond back to her?

imo

She must KNOW I'm a "10"! :laugh:

I already answered her. I was very nice and told her that she was right, I have no business telling her what to do. I told her that she reminds me of when we try to teach our youngsters about lessons we have learned the hard way to try to prevent them having to learn the hard way yet they have to stick their hand in the fire themselves. I told her I want to shake her but I will hug her instead. I wished her well.

There will be no getting through to her unless and until she surrenders, IMO. She has heard from far more skilled communicators and much more learned people than I will ever be and nothing is making a dent in her trajectory. She's going to have to find her own bottom, as they say in A.A.

[Barbara fl.]

She is trying the faith angle to see how the public responds. On the Early Show when she talked about her suicide attempts, she said it was Casey who saved her. That didn't work well with the public so on Larry King she said it was her "faith" that saved her. :angry:

imo


IF Cindy was HONESTLY putting her faith in God she would be trying to get her daughter to confess and make peace with God....

I never saw a bunch of phonies like these people in my life...I have come across one at a time but never an entire family.....

[Lavinia]

LOL well they take donations and they are tax exempt. Right up her alley.

:laugh: You're talking about The Church of KFN?

[Xmygrits]

Okay, sorry to be such a bother, but how far into the woods would you estimate, starting at the beginning of the heavy foilage. That's the estimate I am truly wondering about.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience, I am glad you are working with someone on the case. Hope you share with us when you can.

:seeya:

You are very welcome.

The heavy foliage was very close to the roadway in this location. There might be 3-4 feet of grass then the vegetation begins. From that point in I'd say about 10 feet. I figure she stopped her car right at the curb on the road, walked about 4-8 feet then threw the laundry bag, (Caylee) into the woods. There is a fairly steep incline from the road to the woods. The elevation drops rapidly. Even though we have been in a drought here in Central Florida, the earth was damp. In another month, that location will be under water.

[JHP]

She must KNOW I'm a "10"! :laugh:

I already answered her. I was very nice and told her that she was right, I have no business telling her what to do. I told her that she reminds me of when we try to teach our youngsters about lessons we have learned the hard way to try to prevent them having to learn the hard way yet they have to stick their hand in the fire themselves. I told her I want to shake her but I will hug her instead. I wished her well.

There will be no getting through to her unless and until she surrenders, IMO. She has heard from far more skilled communicators and much more learned people than I will ever be and nothing is making a dent in her trajectory. She's going to have to find her own bottom, as they say in A.A.


I'm afraid her bottom is a black hole. Unfortunatly a very black one.

[Barbara fl.]

AHA! She didn't say she attempted suicide, you will notice, she merely says she wrote a note or notes. There is no telling what that means in Cindy-speak.



Maybe we should get her "Baker acted"....get rid of her for a few days...:laugh:

[breezie]

I'm afraid her bottom is a black hole. Unfortunatly a very black one.

Her bottom will be when Casey is convicted and everyone else moves on. Cindy will be left behind with a murdered grandchild and a convicted murderer for a daughter. No one will give her the time of day. When she's ignored, she'll fall apart, imho.

[Lavinia]

Maybe we should get her "Baker acted"....get rid of her for a few days...:laugh:

What do you have against the doctors and nurses who would have to deal with her? :laugh: The. world's. worst. patient. :scared:

[Xmygrits]

Her bottom will be when Casey is convicted and everyone else moves on. Cindy will be left behind with a murdered grandchild and a convicted murderer for a daughter. No one will give her the time of day. When she's ignored, she'll fall apart, imho.

I agree 110%

[JHP]

Her bottom will be when Casey is convicted and everyone else moves on. Cindy will be left behind with a murdered grandchild and a convicted murderer for a daughter. No one will give her the time of day. When she's ignored, she'll fall apart, imho.

That can't happen soon enough. IMO

[Scampi]

Maybe we should get her "Baker acted"....get rid of her for a few days...:laugh:

Aren't there rumors floating around that the odious creature WAS Baker acted as a juvie?

[Pam1569]

Her bottom will be when Casey is convicted and everyone else moves on. Cindy will be left behind with a murdered grandchild and a convicted murderer for a daughter. No one will give her the time of day. When she's ignored, she'll fall apart, imho.

GM breezie, ITA with you that once this case is all over her time to be ignored will be then and she will then have to face finding a job and finding friends. Unless Strickland at next weeks hearing decides to put a gag order on them and the defense. Then she will only have her bears things to work on and I doubt that the local area first on the scene programs will be to excited to see her. jmo

[desmom]

You are very welcome.

The heavy foliage was very close to the roadway in this location. There might be 3-4 feet of grass then the vegetation begins. From that point in I'd say about 10 feet. I figure she stopped her car right at the curb on the road, walked about 4-8 feet then threw the laundry bag, (Caylee) into the woods. There is a fairly steep incline from the road to the woods. The elevation drops rapidly. Even though we have been in a drought here in Central Florida, the earth was damp. In another month, that location will be under water.

Thank you.

[Myka]

IIRC the neighbors that were interviewed said the area flooded every year. Thanks for the heads up on the rain. It is desperately needed in Florida.

ok thanks.

yes, everyone on Master's blog from Fl is screaming how dry it is down there. That little wave hanging over Cuba should be sucked up to Fl this week

so if Orlando does hit 5 inches or so, this will be the first time that area has flooded since Caylee was found

[Barbara fl.]

:laugh: You're talking about The Church of KFN?

I wonder if this family can even name the Ten Commandments?...they sure know how to break everyone of them....

[desmom]

Aren't there rumors floating around that the odious creature WAS Baker acted as a juvie?

Hmmm, I thought it was a juvie record for shoplifting.

:shrug:

[Dick Tracy]

You are very welcome.

The heavy foliage was very close to the roadway in this location. There might be 3-4 feet of grass then the vegetation begins. From that point in I'd say about 10 feet. I figure she stopped her car right at the curb on the road, walked about 4-8 feet then threw the laundry bag, (Caylee) into the woods. There is a fairly steep incline from the road to the woods. The elevation drops rapidly. Even though we have been in a drought here in Central Florida, the earth was damp. In another month, that location will be under water.

Good Morning Everyone... NODA offices in Seattle Wa are officially open for business.

XMyGrits - read your post with interest concerning going to the area where Caylee's remains were found. I wish you had me in your hip pocket for that exposition.

I had some map questions that seem to have been resolved, Google using imagery from 2002 versus Microsoft which is more recent.

In those photos here http://tinyurl.com/qsbxof, what is your estimate on the distance from behind the Anthony house to the beginning of the woods where Casey was found? Would you say 300 feet? 200 feet?

This is where I presumed Casey must have walked the day with the "package" (Caylee RIP). With houses behind their house, it's interesting that no one saw her walking into the woods, or coming out of the woods...

JMO

[Myka]

wow Lav, I can't believe she replied back to you!

I wonder if CA spends all day answering letters like yours? Wow, that can sprain your brain trying to defend OC all day lol

[bchand]

I noticed on myfoxorlando this morning that they have some of the vigil from last night on there.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/051709_Vigil

I just can't for the life of me figure that the A's can insert themselves on another family that truly has a missing child. Also I do believe that this is why the Haleigh case is now on the D & A website. http://dgator.com/default.aspx I wonder if DC is giving the A's a commission for every new case that they (the A's) bring to him?


The only good thing about them attending is that they got to see what a truly distraught mother of a missing child looks like. They've never seen that in Casey.

I'd love to know who these "thousands" of people are who support her according to Cindy. I do NOT believe her entire family supports her. The documents say otherwise.

[Lavinia]

wow Lav, I can't believe she replied back to you!

I wonder if CA spends all day answering letters like yours? Wow, that can sprain your brain trying to defend OC all day lol

Unbelievable, isn't it, Myka? NOT in their best interests, IMO.

[AMS]

She must KNOW I'm a "10"! :laugh:

I already answered her. I was very nice and told her that she was right, I have no business telling her what to do. I told her that she reminds me of when we try to teach our youngsters about lessons we have learned the hard way to try to prevent them having to learn the hard way yet they have to stick their hand in the fire themselves. I told her I want to shake her but I will hug her instead. I wished her well.

There will be no getting through to her unless and until she surrenders, IMO. She has heard from far more skilled communicators and much more learned people than I will ever be and nothing is making a dent in her trajectory. She's going to have to find her own bottom, as they say in A.A.

That was very nice :smile: You are now officially on her list filed under "thousands of supporters".

imo

[Pam1569]

The only good thing about them attending is that they got to see what a truly distraught mother of a missing child looks like. They've never seen that in Casey.

I'd love to know who these "thousands" of people are who support her according to Cindy. I do NOT believe her entire family supports her. The documents say otherwise.

GM bch, The documents do support that her brother and mother do not support her. Also from what I have noticed in the interviews that they have had is that George looks astounded when she says something totally off the wall. She is probably thinking of the church members that came to the memorial for Caylee. But she just doesn't get that they were there for Caylee and not for her. imo

[Dick Tracy]

It's a good thing Cindy's got faith, because she's going to need it in a few years when she witnesses her murderous daughter strapped down to a table being wheeled in to meet her maker. And we all know how that meeting is going to go.

People with faith do not lie over and over over. They put their trust in God, and ask God to give them help. This doesn't appear to be the case with that she-devil.

[desmom]

Good Morning Everyone... NODA offices in Seattle Wa are officially open for business.

XMyGrits - read your post with interest concerning going to the area where Caylee's remains were found. I wish you had me in your hip pocket for that exposition.

I had some map questions that seem to have been resolved, Google using imagery from 2002 versus Microsoft which is more recent.

In those photos here http://tinyurl.com/qsbxof, what is your estimate on the distance from behind the Anthony house to the beginning of the woods where Casey was found? Would you say 300 feet? 200 feet?

This is where I presumed Casey must have walked the day with the "package" (Caylee RIP). With houses behind their house, it's interesting that no one saw her walking into the woods, or coming out of the woods...

JMO

Good Morning Dick Tracy!

http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap4/default.aspx shows the lot sizes on Hopespring Drive are 75' at the back of the lots. (Click on Search by Address on the left side of the page. A box opens up on the right side of the map where you enter the address.)

I do not believe Casey walked it. If she had walked it I believe she would have left Caylee at the south end of the woods and not the north. (Hmm, if north is toward Suburban Drive. LOL!)

jmo

[Xmygrits]

Good Morning Everyone... NODA offices in Seattle Wa are officially open for business.

XMyGrits - read your post with interest concerning going to the area where Caylee's remains were found. I wish you had me in your hip pocket for that exposition.

I had some map questions that seem to have been resolved, Google using imagery from 2002 versus Microsoft which is more recent.

In those photos here http://tinyurl.com/qsbxof, what is your estimate on the distance from behind the Anthony house to the beginning of the woods where Casey was found? Would you say 300 feet? 200 feet?

This is where I presumed Casey must have walked the day with the "package" (Caylee RIP). With houses behind their house, it's interesting that no one saw her walking into the woods, or coming out of the woods...

JMO


I have a mapping system where I can measure the exact distance from the house to the location. Just give me a bit and I'll get you that info.

There is NO WAY IMO Casey carried a deceased Caylee behind their property, down past the retention pond and through that thick foliage/woods to the location near Suburban Dr. where she dumped her. Caylee was in that trunk and she casually drove there and threw her into the woods. I figure the handles of the laundry tote gave her enough of a slingshot effect to throw her as far as she did. As thick as that vegetation is, she didn't walk down in there and lay her down gently on the spot.

[Lavinia]

That was very nice :smile: You are now officially on her list filed under "thousands of supporters".

imo

:laugh: ITA! ITA!

[Myka]

Unbelievable, isn't it, Myka? NOT in their best interests, IMO.

at this point in the case, all I can do is shake my head. Nothing shocks me any more. Even if ( ewww ) GA turns out to be Caylee's dad, it wouldn't shock me

I just can't get over she had the time to answer your email. That must be why the yard is unkept, she is too busy answering emails :ohmy:

[Barbara fl.]

I have a mapping system where I can measure the exact distance from the house to the location. Just give me a bit and I'll get you that info.

There is NO WAY IMO Casey carried a deceased Caylee behind their property, down past the retention pond and through that thick foliage/woods to the location near Suburban Dr. where she dumped her. Caylee was in that trunk and she casually drove there and threw her into the woods. I figure the handles of the laundry tote gave her enough of a slingshot effect to throw her as far as she did. As thick as that vegetation is, she didn't walk down in there and lay her down gently on the spot.




That's exactly how she did it....it makes me sick to my stomach.....what kind of monster did these parents raise? Do they even think about that?

[Dick Tracy]

I have a mapping system where I can measure the exact distance from the house to the location. Just give me a bit and I'll get you that info.

There is NO WAY IMO Casey carried a deceased Caylee behind their property, down past the retention pond and through that thick foliage/woods to the location near Suburban Dr. where she dumped her. Caylee was in that trunk and she casually drove there and threw her into the woods. I figure the handles of the laundry tote gave her enough of a slingshot effect to throw her as far as she did. As thick as that vegetation is, she didn't walk down in there and lay her down gently on the spot.

Just stopped the car by the woods, opened the trunk, got the body out and just threw it into the woods? OMG OMG OMG. This is a revelation. If that is true, and it comes out in the trial that way, there is going to be twelve angry jurors taking notice.

I had always thought that on the 2nd day she comes back, and backs into the garage, removes the body, and goes trucking to the woods behind the houses, like she did when she was a kid going up there.

[Xmygrits]

Just stopped the car by the woods, opened the trunk, got the body out and just threw it into the woods? OMG OMG OMG. This is a revelation. If that is true, and it comes out in the trial that way, there is going to be twelve angry jurors taking notice.

I had always thought that on the 2nd day she comes back, and backs into the garage, removes the body, and goes trucking to the woods behind the houses, like she did when she was a kid going up there.

Here are two measurements for you.

Straight Line Distance: 1,555.8 ft. in a straight line from the house to the location Caylee was found.

Roadway Distance: 1,957.5 ft.

There are twenty parcels (houses) from 4937 Hopesprings Dr. and Suburban Dr.

There will be more information that comes out during trial that will seal this girls fate for life.

[Dick Tracy]

Here are two measurements for you.

Straight Line Distance: 1,555.8 ft. in a straight line from the house to the location Caylee was found.

Roadway Distance: 1,957.5 ft.

There are twenty parcels (houses) from 4937 Hopesprings Dr. and Suburban Dr.

There will be more information that comes out during trial that will seal this girls fate for life.

Interesting, about 3/10 of a mile approx. What's your take on the DP back on the table? What piece of evidence do you think the state has that 100% links the SOC to the crime scene?

[Pam1569]

Sorry to rehash this but I was just watching LKL again and @14:50 to 14:55 Larry asked Cindy if she ever asked her daughter to whether or not she did this and Cindy replied yes and I believed her. Doesn't that show that she now knows that OC lied to her and that she did commit this crime or is she setting OC up and helping the prosecution with their case against her daughter? thoughts?

http://www.wftv.com/video/19459412/index.html

transcripts
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/13/lkl.01.html

KING: Did you ever ask her if she did it?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

KING: And she says? CINDY ANTHONY: No. And I believed her.


So I guess that she must have asked this question to OC in a letter that she had written to her. imo

Also according to Lapis, if I understood him correctly, this would give grounds for a warrant for JB's laptop in order to see these letters. I hope this is true and that JB will also have another FBA investigation going on because of this. IMO JB will loose his license after or maybe before this case goes to trial since he isn't going to be first chair anymore. jmh

[Xmygrits]

Just stopped the car by the woods, opened the trunk, got the body out and just threw it into the woods? OMG OMG OMG. This is a revelation. If that is true, and it comes out in the trial that way, there is going to be twelve angry jurors taking notice.

I had always thought that on the 2nd day she comes back, and backs into the garage, removes the body, and goes trucking to the woods behind the houses, like she did when she was a kid going up there.

I agree with parts of your scenario.

I think she killed Caylee at the house on Hopesprings the afternoon of the 16th. I believe it was not an accident, but what is called a "soft kill". Either suffocation or drowning in the backyard pool. I am leaning towards drowning because many studies have been done on women who kill their own children and a high percentage of these deaths involve water.

At this point I think she placed her in the backyard, either under the playhouse or in the turtle sandbox that had a lid. She heads merrily off to a "natural" place to watch video's with Tone.

She then comes back on the 17-18th and borrows a shovel from the neighbor and tries to bury her in the backyard. When this doesn't workout as she hoped, she backs the Pontiac into the garage, places her in the trunk and drives her around in the trunk for 1-2 more days before she simply settles on tossing her in the woods off Suburban.

[Dunlurken]

That's exactly how she did it....it makes me sick to my stomach.....what kind of monster did these parents raise? Do they even think about that?

I don't think you raise monsters, but I could be wrong. There is something wrong in the brain wiring. JMO.

Cindy snaffued up big time on LKL. When she said people "grieve differently", she implied that Casey was grieving for a deceased Caylee. You don't grieve for a kidnapped child. JMOA.

[Scampi]

IF Cindy was HONESTLY putting her faith in God she would be trying to get her daughter to confess and make peace with God....

I never saw a bunch of phonies like these people in my life...I have come across one at a time but never an entire family.....


I firmly believe this too, if cindy truly was walking with God during this nightmare, she would be very concerned over the immortal soul of her daughter and advising her to tell the truth, instead of supporting and adding to her lies to LE.

cindy anthony is a "know it all" who cannot and will not allow anyone to tell her anything. IMO, this fault will cost her dearly, more then it already has.

[msgatorslayer]

The only good thing about them attending is that they got to see what a truly distraught mother of a missing child looks like. They've never seen that in Casey.

I'd love to know who these "thousands" of people are who support her according to Cindy. I do NOT believe her entire family supports her. The documents say otherwise.

In one of the jail house videos where Cindy is crying alot, I think it may have occured to her, how sad and worried she felt, that Casey is her Daughter, and she is visiting her in jail. Yet, there sits Casey, who's own Daughter can't be found, and she's giggling, talking about misc things. Not showing any worry about her Daughter.

IMO, the thousands of supporters go hand and hand with the dead body smell that came from pizza. LIES!!

Morning, all. Wet, yucky day in Florida today.:thumbdown:

[Dunlurken]

I agree with parts of your scenario.

I think she killed Caylee at the house on Hopesprings the afternoon of the 16th.


snipped to address: But, George said he saw them leave at 1:00 p.m. while watching his cooking show. If he's lying, he's in big trouble. JMO.

[msgatorslayer]

snipped to address: But, George said he saw them leave at 1:00 p.m. while watching his cooking show. If he's lying, he's in big trouble. JMO.

Dunnie, the truth and the Anthony's are strangers.

[Dunlurken]

I want to know why they won't go visit Casey in jail. That's just nuts if they truly believe she's innocent. Don't talk about the case.... just go see your daughter FGS! They KNOW she's guilty. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

Dunnie, the truth and the Anthony's are strangers.

I just don't get it. What about Caylee and the fact that she was dumped like a piece of trash? :confused:

[CeruleanBleu]

I wonder when she joined that Church. She sure wasn't *Godly* towards folks when this began.

According to their interviews with the Police they did not even belong to a church. One of them either G or C was asked by one of the detectives about Casey's moral upbringing, values, etc, and religion came up.
Back when Casey and Lee's MySpace pages were available they used to call Sundays "Sunday Funday" a day when they all got drunk! Does anyone remember this? Casey also wrote on her MS how she had taught Caylee how to "take shots" (meaning pretending to drink alcohol I assume).

[desmom]

Sorry to rehash this but I was just watching LKL again and @14:50 to 14:55 Larry asked Cindy if she ever asked her daughter to whether or not she did this and Cindy replied yes and I believed her. Doesn't that show that she now knows that OC lied to her and that she did commit this crime or is she setting OC up and helping the prosecution with their case against her daughter? thoughts?

http://www.wftv.com/video/19459412/index.html

transcripts
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/13/lkl.01.html

KING: Did you ever ask her if she did it?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

KING: And she says? CINDY ANTHONY: No. And I believed her.


So I guess that she must have asked this question to OC in a letter that she had written to her. imo

Also according to Lapis, if I understood him correctly, this would give grounds for a warrant for JB's laptop in order to see these letters. I hope this is true and that JB will also have another FBA investigation going on because of this. IMO JB will loose his license after or maybe before this case goes to trial since he isn't going to be first chair anymore. jmh

I think Cindy questioned Casey when she was out on bail.

In July, Cindy said, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,388202,00.html "Casey's lied to me in the past and when she's lied she's always told me the truth. We've gotten to the bottom of the truth when I talk to her and spend time with her."

Maybe Cindy has to look Casey in the eye to get the truth. From around the same time frame:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18206136/detail.html

Cindy to Casey during a jail visit in July: "Look straight up so I can look into your eyes. Thank you. You know I need to do that."

Cindy may think Casey has told her the truth about things in the past and about Caylee's disappearance. IMO, the evidence says otherwise.

[Xmygrits]

Interesting, about 3/10 of a mile approx. What's your take on the DP back on the table? What piece of evidence do you think the state has that 100% links the SOC to the crime scene?

LOL. OK, my take on the DP is strictly my opinion and not any known fact.

I believe it was always the States intention to bring the DP back on the table if by chance the body was located. I believe the SA felt without a body the jury would have a more difficult time convicting for death. I also feel it is partly a strategical 'pressure' move on the SA's part bringing it back on the table. There is no love lost between the SA office and Beaz.

I think the solid pile of circumstantial evidence will be enough without a bombshell piece of evidence. Like I said earlier, just seeing the location Caylee was dumped then driving around the corner to the house spoke volumes to me. Pile on her behavior and lies in testimony and evidence, she is toast. IMHO.

[msgatorslayer]

I just don't get it. What about Caylee and the fact that she was dumped like a piece of trash? :confused:

Cindy once said, I've already lost one, can't loose another.

From what I've seen, they don't care about Caylee. If they do, or did, their love for Casey is much stronger. And they have bonded together to make sure the forces don't get her.

Their public memorial had so much to do with Casey, it was sickening. They couldn't even make that one day all about Caylee.

[AMS]

I want to know why they won't go visit Casey in jail. That's just nuts if they truly believe she's innocent. Don't talk about the case.... just go see your daughter FGS! They KNOW she's guilty. JMO.

My guess is that the OC refuses to see them because she can't face them and doesn't want the questions.

imo

[desmom]

I want to know why they won't go visit Casey in jail. That's just nuts if they truly believe she's innocent. Don't talk about the case.... just go see your daughter FGS! They KNOW she's guilty. JMO.

They could go, but I do not think Casey would accept the visit. I think JB has given his girl strict orders she is to have no visitors except her attorneys.

[*MoonRider*]

I want to know why they won't go visit Casey in jail. That's just nuts if they truly believe she's innocent. Don't talk about the case.... just go see your daughter FGS! They KNOW she's guilty. JMO.

I guess Cindy doesn't have enough FAITH that Casey will behave well in a video taped visit. IF she doesn't care what people think about her she should high tail it over to the jail. Her God will show her the TRUTH. moo

[Dunlurken]

Cindy once said, I've already lost one, can't loose another.

From what I've seen, they don't care about Caylee. If they do, or did, their love for Casey is much stronger. And they have bonded together to make sure the forces don't get her.

Their public memorial had so much to do with Casey, it was sickening. They couldn't even make that one day all about Caylee.
We can thank Lee for that. CMA. Good Lord!

I think the CE and forensics will prove that Casey did this horrible deed. This one is a slam dunk. Too bad she didn't plead out before death came back on the table. JMO. Baez sure isn't helping any. Still worried about ineffective counsel. Although, it hasn't gone to trial yet, so he is only advising at this point. And I'm sure Ms. Casey thinks she knows everything. JMO.

[Xmygrits]

snipped to address: But, George said he saw them leave at 1:00 p.m. while watching his cooking show. If he's lying, he's in big trouble. JMO.

I am not basing what I believe happened on what George said. George's work records indicate he was not home that afternoon around 3 p.m. and phone records also show many cell phone calls were made from Casey's phone that afternoon. I have always thought she was trying to pass off the killing as an accident at first, but when no one would answer their phones, she moved to plan b or c or whatever.

I think the next set of crazy phone calls being placed came on the day she moved Caylee from the house. I think she was trying to see where everyone was and that no one was at the house. All purely my speculation, of course.

[msgatorslayer]

They could go, but I do not think Casey would accept the visit. I think JB has given his girl strict orders she is to have no visitors except her attorneys.

Hehe, I agree, Des. Baez doesn't need the world to see another vid of the tot mom coming unglued, shaking the phone in her hand. Getting angry cause nobody will listen to her. Talking about how she can't swallow. That nobody understands her. And how she only has herself to comfort herself.:rolleyes:

[Xmygrits]

Cindy once said, I've already lost one, can't loose another.

From what I've seen, they don't care about Caylee. If they do, or did, their love for Casey is much stronger. And they have bonded together to make sure the forces don't get her.

Their public memorial had so much to do with Casey, it was sickening. They couldn't even make that one day all about Caylee.

That really is just so sad, isn't it?

BTW, yay for the rain!!!

[Xmygrits]

They could go, but I do not think Casey would accept the visit. I think JB has given his girl strict orders she is to have no visitors except her attorneys.

And I bet ya lunch this is reason #1!

[Dunlurken]

I am not basing what I believe happened on what George said. George's work records indicate he was not home that afternoon around 3 p.m. and phone records also show many cell phone calls were made from Casey's phone that afternoon. I have always thought she was trying to pass off the killing as an accident at first, but when no one would answer their phones, she moved to plan b or c or whatever.

I think the next set of crazy phone calls being placed came on the day she moved Caylee from the house. I think she was trying to see where everyone was and that no one was at the house. All purely my speculation, of course.

I must be missing your point. If he's still at home at 1:00, gives him plenty of time to get to work by 3:00. So, he's home getting ready to go to work?

So, why would Casey leave them come back home with a dead Caylee?

[*MoonRider*]

That really is just so sad, isn't it?

BTW, yay for the rain!!!
Can you send some rain to So. Florida? I think Baez is afraid the Anthony's will advise the OC to fire her incompetent attorney.

[margaritaville]

According to their interviews with the Police they did not even belong to a church. One of them either G or C was asked by one of the detectives about Casey's moral upbringing, values, etc, and religion came up.
Back when Casey and Lee's MySpace pages were available they used to call Sundays "Sunday Funday" a day when they all got drunk! Does anyone remember this? Casey also wrote on her MS how she had taught Caylee how to "take shots" (meaning pretending to drink alcohol I assume).


How do u know she was "pretending"?

I would bet she was actually doing the shots w/ mommy.....
Probably another way to make sure she slept through the party's and sexual trysts Mommy was partaking in......

MOO

[Dunlurken]

You know, if Baez told them not to visit Casey, then why don't the Anthony's just say so instead of putting the blame on the media or the fact that the interviews are taped. What are they afraid she will say?

I'd tell any attorney to put it where the sun don't shine if I was told to not visit my daughter. JMO.

Conway is another trip. Why does he let the Anthony's go on LKL?

[Dells]

Tomorrow is the motion hearing for:

Casey Lawyer Wants Civil Suit Tossed
Hearing Scheduled For May 19
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19472154/detail.html

I believe there is another hearing at toward the end of the week re Cindy answering questions for the civil suit.

ETA ~ Here it is: http://www.wesh.com/news/19471201/detail.html
Later in the week, another hearing is expected before Judge Jose Rodriguez to determine whether he will order the Anthonys to answer certain questions they would not in their depositions at the offices of Morgan and Morgan last month.

Thanks so much for both of the links. :seeya:

Seems to me it would just be easier to hear both of the motions at the same hearing, but whatever. I guess if the case is tossed out, then they don't have to have the second hearing anyway. I truly hope they do not toss the case out. I believe it has merit and they should allow it to go through the court system.

Good morning, everyone! :seeya:

[Dells]

I dont think the civil suit will tossed.

I truly hope you are right. ZG deserves her day in court just like Casey does.

[Xmygrits]

I must be missing your point. If he's still at home at 1:00, gives him plenty of time to get to work by 3:00. So, he's home getting ready to go to work?

So, why would Casey leave them come back home with a dead Caylee?

No, you didn't miss my point, sorry I missed yours when I read your post wrong.

IIRC GA said he saw them leave at 1 about the same time he was leaving for work. "right after watching that cooking show". :rolleyes:

"If" GA really did see them leaving that day, I feel it was just a front on Casey's part. She turned right around and went straight back to the house when she knew GA had left. I bet this was pretty much the routine that Casey played out every "work day" with her *** Universal job. Fake leaving for work only to turn around and go right back to the house and play on the computer while the rest of the family was at their jobs.

[Dells]

When g&c were on LKL and he asked them if they had any suspects, I just thought to myself they better not name anyone or there will be more lawsuits and depos. I dont think they want that:laugh:

Oh, I know! You could tell that Cindy was just sitting there trying to contain herself. You just know she wanted to blurt out the names Amy, Jesse, TonE, Ricardo, etc. She must have really had to bite her tongue on that one!:sneaky:

[Xmygrits]

Can you send some rain to So. Florida? I think Baez is afraid the Anthony's will advise the OC to fire her incompetent attorney.

I think it's on it's way! What part of So. FL?

[penguinlady]

Can you send some rain to So. Florida? I think Baez is afraid the Anthony's will advise the OC to fire her incompetent attorney.

Keep it going to the East Coast too!

[Dunlurken]

No, you didn't miss my point, sorry I missed yours when I read your post wrong.

IIRC GA said he saw them leave at 1 about the same time he was leaving for work. "right after watching that cooking show". :rolleyes:

"If" GA really did see them leaving that day, I feel it was just a front on Casey's part. She turned right around and went straight back to the house when she knew GA had left. I bet this was pretty much the routine that Casey played out every "work day" with her *** Universal job. Fake leaving for work only to turn around and go right back to the house and play on the computer while the rest of the family was at their jobs.
Now, that makes sense. So, Casey and Caylee came back home after George went to work. And of course Cindy was at work..... was the 16th the flurry of cell phone activity when Casey called Cindy a bunch of times, but no response from Cindy? Been off the board for a while so trying to remember.

I thought the cell phone activity was the 17th. JMO.

[Dells]

I got a response to my email from Cindy:

I have the complete backing of my family our friends, our church, my therapist, thousands of others who actually know something. Susan I am sorry you do not agree with what I am about but that is your problem, not mine. I can live with myself and I do not need to be handleed. I think that is your issue. You seem to want to handle this. Stop. You cannot. What I understand is that you believe one thing and I believe something else. That is ok. Our Pastors sermon today was about not caring what people think about you because the only one that matters is GOD. He knows what is in my heart. If you do not see it I can not help you. Because of my faith and what I have given back to our church our membership has grown by 1/3 in size. All new members have joined because I brought them there. God is the only one stronger, that I will listen to. Susan, I am grateful for your concern, if it is real then please blog about the National Vigil For Hope that I will be speaking at tonight. This is another good thing that came from my bullheadedness as you call it not to give up hope. Families are being helped. All I have to say.

From: ratched@<deleted>
To: cindy@dgator.com
Subject: Please accept help.
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:12:09 -0500

Your bullheadedness, control issues and apparent refusal to follow the advice of any professional that tries to "handle" you and advise you, is ruining your entire family and is surely putting your daughter's life in worse danger than if you had behaved in a dignified and honorable way from the beginning. WHAT PART OF THAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING????

I am not a blogger who picks people apart. Actually, I have great empathy for the families of murderers because if has to be HORRIBLE for the parents. But all the ones I know of have some humility and don't act like obnoxious liars at every turn.

YOU'RE doing this Cindy. No one else. You have this whole thing run off in the ditch and you have little, if any time to change course.

Learn something from your mistakes or one day, when you finally get some personal insight which you seem to be woefully lacking, you will die from guilt because of what you've done.

You need help. Professional help. Someone stronger than you that won't allow you to bulldoze them, because that's how you roll. Full steam ahead, right or wrong, dammit. Maybe someone taught you that is a positive characteristic and may even appear as strength, but that is far from the truth.

I'm telling you all this, which sounds really mean, because I am SO frustrated with you. I know things can be so much better for you and your family in this HORRIFIC situation and I truly want you to take the opportunity to "fix" this. It's very difficult when someone refuses to see what everyone else can plainly see.

Susan <deleted>

Thanks so much for sharing her reply w/us. :seeya: Wow, she truly is in denial. I almost feel sorry for her.:sneaky:

[desmom]

Hehe, I agree, Des. Baez doesn't need the world to see another vid of the tot mom coming unglued, shaking the phone in her hand. Getting angry cause nobody will listen to her. Talking about how she can't swallow. That nobody understands her. And how she only has herself to comfort herself.:rolleyes:

IIRC, that was the last time Casey accepted a visit from G & C against JB's wishes and in return he filed a motion suggesting police misconduct. :lol:

JB's Motion to Compel Release of Video Visitations of George and Cindy Anthony on August 14, 2008 (page 8 http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0108/18437718.pdf )

"5. A number of suspicious activities, which may include Police misconduct, relates directly to this visitation"

But during the motion hearing he played it down saying something like it was the only one he does not have. jmo

[trich]

snipped to address: But, George said he saw them leave at 1:00 p.m. while watching his cooking show. If he's lying, he's in big trouble. JMO.

IMO George did not see Caylee and Casey leave on the 16th.
He gave too much information on what they were wearing etc.
But he can always say he got the date mixed up....
That lie can be explained unless there is proof that he intentionaly misled the LE with saying that.
But IMO I believe Caylee was killed the night of the 15th or early morning of the 16th.

[Dunlurken]

I think I would have deleted Cindy's e-mail address before posting that stuff. JMO. :confused:

[Xmygrits]

Now, that makes sense. So, Casey and Caylee came back home after George went to work. And of course Cindy was at work..... was the 16th the flurry of cell phone activity when Casey called Cindy a bunch of times, but no response from Cindy? Been off the board for a while so trying to remember.

I thought the cell phone activity was the 17th. JMO.

Yes, the 16th was the afternoon when calls were made within seconds of each other and then I think the 17th or 18th was the other day where there was another flurry of unanswered phone calls placed from Caseys phone.

[jammies]

I wonder if this family can even name the Ten Commandments?...they sure know how to break everyone of them....


Starting with the very first and most important one. sigh....

[cassidy]

Thanks so much for sharing her reply w/us. :seeya: Wow, she truly is in denial. I almost feel sorry for her.:sneaky:

I'd like to feel sorry for her too, but her arrogance gets in the way.

JMO

[AMS]

I think I would have deleted Cindy's e-mail address before posting that stuff. JMO. :confused:

Dun - Cindy has been responding to a number of posters and her email address is out there. You can also contact her through the Foundation and the email is public. Her foundation address is
CMA@cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.org

So it's not really a secret how to reach her.

imo

[CeruleanBleu]

How do u know she was "pretending"?

I would bet she was actually doing the shots w/ mommy.....
Probably another way to make sure she slept through the party's and sexual trysts Mommy was partaking in......

MOO

I don't know, that's why I said "I assume". After thinking about that MySpace conversation I remembered that Casey said to Lee,
"Mom and I taught Caylee to take shots." Does anyone have any saved screen shots of Casey and Lee's old MS pages where they communicated all of the time?

[aproudmom]

Families of Caylee and Haleigh gather
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/051709_Vigil

"Whoever has her, I know you're watching. Please bring her home. Haleigh I love you. I won't ever give up on you." Seconds later, Crystal started to collapse.

Cindy knew exactly what to do. "I've been there. People have put chairs underneath me many times."

OFGS poor freaking CA always about her..:rolleyes: I would like to give her a chair upside her head to knock some since into her

[Anakerie]

I got a response to my email from Cindy:

I have the complete backing of my family our friends, our church, my therapist, thousands of others who actually know something. Susan I am sorry you do not agree with what I am about but that is your problem, not mine. I can live with myself and I do not need to be handleed. I think that is your issue. You seem to want to handle this. Stop. You cannot. What I understand is that you believe one thing and I believe something else. That is ok. Our Pastors sermon today was about not caring what people think about you because the only one that matters is GOD. He knows what is in my heart. If you do not see it I can not help you. Because of my faith and what I have given back to our church our membership has grown by 1/3 in size. All new members have joined because I brought them there. God is the only one stronger, that I will listen to. Susan, I am grateful for your concern, if it is real then please blog about the National Vigil For Hope that I will be speaking at tonight. This is another good thing that came from my bullheadedness as you call it not to give up hope. Families are being helped. All I have to say.

Respectfully snipped
Wow! You got a much better reply from that woman than I got! She must have been in a much better mood when she answered your email.. lol... Well done, Lavinia!

[Barbara fl.]

Starting with the very first and most important one. sigh....

I wish that the next person she tells how much faith she has ask's her to recite the Ten Commandments.....I bet she couldn't....

[nanieliz]

GM breezie, ITA with you that once this case is all over her time to be ignored will be then and she will then have to face finding a job and finding friends. . Then she will only have her bears things to work on and I doubt that the local area first on the scene programs will be to excited to see her. jmo


Morning folks,
My S.I.L. is a detective with the Sherriffs dept in a little town in Ga. I've been around since S.P/Laci. I just don't post.
Now about those bears...I keep my S.I.L. stocked with stuffed animals,he and my daughter are always buying/winning animals,and folks donate. I keep him in afghans to wrap folks in/babies/kids.
We talked about the Caylee bears. He said he wouldn't acept them and didn't think most of the other L.E. would. Why would U give a bear with Caylee's name on it to a mother who's child is missing. Or a child in distress.
How many bears are they going to sell so they can "give"them to L.E. that they hate?

Cindy and George don't understand the pain they cause people. It's all about them. Caylee is a beautiful name but I wouldn't name my baby that. The memory would always be about Caylee A.

Someday this will be a bad memory but it will be put on the back burner. Cindy will never have my respect.

Nanieliz---JMO

[Dunlurken]

Dun, Cindy's email addy has been all over here, and is easily found elsewhere.

Thanks for letting me know. Like I said, been off the boards for a while. Time out you know.

Personally, I think the Anthony's have a major guilt thing going on. They didn't call the police either. JMO.

[Dick Tracy]

I am not basing what I believe happened on what George said. George's work records indicate he was not home that afternoon around 3 p.m. and phone records also show many cell phone calls were made from Casey's phone that afternoon. I have always thought she was trying to pass off the killing as an accident at first, but when no one would answer their phones, she moved to plan b or c or whatever.

I think the next set of crazy phone calls being placed came on the day she moved Caylee from the house. I think she was trying to see where everyone was and that no one was at the house. All purely my speculation, of course.

THERE IS computer hard disk activity on the computer at the Anthony home during the 1400 hour according to forensics, on the afternoon of 16th june. Wasn't George, wasn't Cindy. Wasn't Lee. Who could it have been? The SOC?

[Dick Tracy]

OFGS poor freaking CA always about her..:rolleyes: I would like to give her a chair upside her head to knock some since into her

Sense... my dear.

[Lavinia]

I think I would have deleted Cindy's e-mail address before posting that stuff. JMO. :confused:

Dunnie, the email is from HER foundation page and is readily available.

[Barbara fl.]

I want to know why they won't go visit Casey in jail. That's just nuts if they truly believe she's innocent. Don't talk about the case.... just go see your daughter FGS! They KNOW she's guilty. JMO.

Of course they know she i guilty...and I'm sure Casey is refusing their visits because she can't face them....

Nothing would keep me away from visiting my daughter...we wouldn't have to discuss the case...just a visit, that's all.....Scott Peterson's family was there everytime there was visiting hours......

Cind is going to live to regret all this behavior she is displaying...she is going to get hit real hard at the end.....This family doesn't hve a clue on how to be in a bad situation....they just keep spilling more lies over and over again....I wonder...did Casey teach them to lie or did they teach Casey to lie?

[Neffy]

Morning folks,
My S.I.L. is a detective with the Sherriffs dept in a little town in Ga. I've been around since S.P/Laci. I just don't post.
Now about those bears...I keep my S.I.L. stocked with stuffed animals,he and my daughter are always buying/winning animals,and folks donate. I keep him in afghans to wrap folks in/babies/kids.
We talked about the Caylee bears. He said he wouldn't acept them and didn't think most of the other L.E. would. Why would U give a bear with Caylee's name on it to a mother who's child is missing. Or a child in distress.
How many bears are they going to sell so they can "give"them to L.E. that they hate?

Cindy and George don't understand the pain they cause people. It's all about them. Caylee is a beautiful name but I wouldn't name my baby that. The memory would always be about Caylee A.

Someday this will be a bad memory but it will be put on the back burner. Cindy will never have my respect.

Nanieliz---JMO

This is exactly my feeling. This is really selfish on the Anthony's behalf as they're interjecting it's all about Caylee to a family with a missing or murdered child. First and foremost is CAYLEE is the constant theme.

They can't be second or ever put themselves on the back burner. EVER.

Heck these people think they've DISCOVERED a new "club" and are the forerunners of bringing this to national attention. It's unbelievable!

[grammaw]

I agree with parts of your scenario.

I think she killed Caylee at the house on Hopesprings the afternoon of the 16th. I believe it was not an accident, but what is called a "soft kill". Either suffocation or drowning in the backyard pool. I am leaning towards drowning because many studies have been done on women who kill their own children and a high percentage of these deaths involve water.

At this point I think she placed her in the backyard, either under the playhouse or in the turtle sandbox that had a lid. She heads merrily off to a "natural" place to watch video's with Tone.

She then comes back on the 17-18th and borrows a shovel from the neighbor and tries to bury her in the backyard. When this doesn't workout as she hoped, she backs the Pontiac into the garage, places her in the trunk and drives her around in the trunk for 1-2 more days before she simply settles on tossing her in the woods off Suburban.

Agreed to the Max!!

[Barbara fl.]

THERE IS computer hard disk activity on the computer at the Anthony home during the 1400 hour according to forensics, on the afternoon of 16th june. Wasn't George, wasn't Cindy. Wasn't Lee. Who could it have been? The SOC?

It will probably be said that it was the neighbor....but we all know exactly who it was....

This all could be why the police are certain that Caylee met her death in that house...

[desmom]

No, you didn't miss my point, sorry I missed yours when I read your post wrong.

IIRC GA said he saw them leave at 1 about the same time he was leaving for work. "right after watching that cooking show". :rolleyes:

"If" GA really did see them leaving that day, I feel it was just a front on Casey's part. She turned right around and went straight back to the house when she knew GA had left. I bet this was pretty much the routine that Casey played out every "work day" with her *** Universal job. Fake leaving for work only to turn around and go right back to the house and play on the computer while the rest of the family was at their jobs.

I think that was pretty much the norm for Casey. She could take Caylee to the park or shopping for a couple of hours and then return home. I bet the neighbors would know. jmo

[Dunlurken]

THERE IS computer hard disk activity on the computer at the Anthony home during the 1400 hour according to forensics, on the afternoon of 16th june. Wasn't George, wasn't Cindy. Wasn't Lee. Who could it have been? The SOC?

That would prove she and Caylee were were back at home. JMO.

[Neffy]

nanieliz,

Just saw your sig line :laugh::laugh:

[cassidy]

I think that was pretty much the norm for Casey. She could take Caylee to the park or shopping for a couple of hours and then return home. I bet the neighbors would know. jmo

I wonder what the neighbors do know. The one neighbor did notice that she backed her car in rather than pulling straight in. Seems he would have noticed if the car was there when it shouldn't have been.

JMO

[Dick Tracy]

I agree with parts of your scenario.

I think she killed Caylee at the house on Hopesprings the afternoon of the 16th. I believe it was not an accident, but what is called a "soft kill". Either suffocation or drowning in the backyard pool. I am leaning towards drowning because many studies have been done on women who kill their own children and a high percentage of these deaths involve water.

At this point I think she placed her in the backyard, either under the playhouse or in the turtle sandbox that had a lid. She heads merrily off to a "natural" place to watch video's with Tone.

She then comes back on the 17-18th and borrows a shovel from the neighbor and tries to bury her in the backyard. When this doesn't workout as she hoped, she backs the Pontiac into the garage, places her in the trunk and drives her around in the trunk for 1-2 more days before she simply settles on tossing her in the woods off Suburban.

Well, we're getting somewhere this morning. I agree with parts of your scenario too. I'm not sure it was a softkill in the pool though. I think she tossed the kid in there, or the kid got in there herself, while Casey was pretending to be working on the home computer. She then checks on the kid 45 minutes later, maybe an hour later. Too late.

It's the coverup and what happens afterwards that makes this all look suspicious, and rightly so.

I do agree with you - she's toast.

[AMS]

Thanks for letting me know. Like I said, been off the boards for a while. Time out you know.

Personally, I think the Anthony's have a major guilt thing going on. They didn't call the police either. JMO.

Dun, see Cindy's response to Anakerie, ono of our posters. Lovely, eh?

http://anakerie.blogspot.com/


imo

[Dunlurken]

It will probably be said that it was the neighbor....but we all know exactly who it was....

This all could be why the police are certain that Caylee met her death in that house...
It will be said it was the nanny (that doesn't exist, I might add).

There is no Zanny, no Nanny. Just a figment of Casey's imagination. I've said from day one Casey is Zanny. JMO.

[Xmygrits]

Morning folks,
My S.I.L. is a detective with the Sherriffs dept in a little town in Ga. I've been around since S.P/Laci. I just don't post.
Now about those bears...I keep my S.I.L. stocked with stuffed animals,he and my daughter are always buying/winning animals,and folks donate. I keep him in afghans to wrap folks in/babies/kids.
We talked about the Caylee bears. He said he wouldn't acept them and didn't think most of the other L.E. would. Why would U give a bear with Caylee's name on it to a mother who's child is missing. Or a child in distress.
How many bears are they going to sell so they can "give"them to L.E. that they hate?

Cindy and George don't understand the pain they cause people. It's all about them. Caylee is a beautiful name but I wouldn't name my baby that. The memory would always be about Caylee A.

Someday this will be a bad memory but it will be put on the back burner. Cindy will never have my respect.

Nanieliz---JMO


Thanks for passing on the bear opinion. I agree with ya. I also love your siggy line!

[Neffy]

I agree with parts of your scenario.

I think she killed Caylee at the house on Hopesprings the afternoon of the 16th. I believe it was not an accident, but what is called a "soft kill". Either suffocation or drowning in the backyard pool. I am leaning towards drowning because many studies have been done on women who kill their own children and a high percentage of these deaths involve water.

At this point I think she placed her in the backyard, either under the playhouse or in the turtle sandbox that had a lid. She heads merrily off to a "natural" place to watch video's with Tone.

She then comes back on the 17-18th and borrows a shovel from the neighbor and tries to bury her in the backyard. When this doesn't workout as she hoped, she backs the Pontiac into the garage, places her in the trunk and drives her around in the trunk for 1-2 more days before she simply settles on tossing her in the woods off Suburban.

Quite agree. Nothing elaborate just matter of fact pyscho simplicity.

I still take issue with George seeing them leave that last day. I still find his details lacking where there should be some re: Caylee waking in the morning is not mentioned at all. They woke up back packed and headed out the door at 1pmish? No morning anything. For a child of two living under your roof impossible!

[aproudmom]

I got a response to my email from Cindy:

I have the complete backing of my family our friends, our church, my therapist, thousands of others who actually know something. Susan I am sorry you do not agree with what I am about but that is your problem, not mine. I can live with myself and I do not need to be handleed. I think that is your issue. You seem to want to handle this. Stop. You cannot. What I understand is that you believe one thing and I believe something else. That is ok. Our Pastors sermon today was about not caring what people think about you because the only one that matters is GOD. He knows what is in my heart. If you do not see it I can not help you. Because of my faith and what I have given back to our church our membership has grown by 1/3 in size. All new members have joined because I brought them there. God is the only one stronger, that I will listen to. Susan, I am grateful for your concern, if it is real then please blog about the National Vigil For Hope that I will be speaking at tonight. This is another good thing that came from my bullheadedness as you call it not to give up hope. Families are being helped. All I have to say.

From: ratched@<deleted>
To: cindy@dgator.com
Subject: Please accept help.
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:12:09 -0500

Your bullheadedness, control issues and apparent refusal to follow the advice of any professional that tries to "handle" you and advise you, is ruining your entire family and is surely putting your daughter's life in worse danger than if you had behaved in a dignified and honorable way from the beginning. WHAT PART OF THAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING????

I am not a blogger who picks people apart. Actually, I have great empathy for the families of murderers because if has to be HORRIBLE for the parents. But all the ones I know of have some humility and don't act like obnoxious liars at every turn.

YOU'RE doing this Cindy. No one else. You have this whole thing run off in the ditch and you have little, if any time to change course.

Learn something from your mistakes or one day, when you finally get some personal insight which you seem to be woefully lacking, you will die from guilt because of what you've done.

You need help. Professional help. Someone stronger than you that won't allow you to bulldoze them, because that's how you roll. Full steam ahead, right or wrong, dammit. Maybe someone taught you that is a positive characteristic and may even appear as strength, but that is far from the truth.

I'm telling you all this, which sounds really mean, because I am SO frustrated with you. I know things can be so much better for you and your family in this HORRIFIC situation and I truly want you to take the opportunity to "fix" this. It's very difficult when someone refuses to see what everyone else can plainly see.

Susan <deleted>


The next time someone emails her ask her what she does with her time seems she has so much time emailing everyone back instead of just shutting up and ignoring it she will always have the last word..I am shocked she even has the nerve to call people SAD and say they have NO LIFE but she sure seems to email everyone back..wonder if she will be overweight as she told Ank the other day since all we do is sit on our A$$ picking them apart..what a joke..I read these last night not even sure it could be someone on here had the link saved..

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/05/cindy-anthony-e-mails-caylee-daily-commentators-510/

[Dunlurken]

Dun, see Cindy's response to Anakerie, ono of our posters. Lovely, eh?

http://anakerie.blogspot.com/


imo

WOW! Cindy needs to stay off the computer. JMO.

[Xmygrits]

THERE IS computer hard disk activity on the computer at the Anthony home during the 1400 hour according to forensics, on the afternoon of 16th june. Wasn't George, wasn't Cindy. Wasn't Lee. Who could it have been? The SOC?

Probably the likely suspect!

[Neffy]

You watch your back Lavinia. She's probably got DGator on your trail! :laugh:

[Dunlurken]

Quite agree. Nothing elaborate just matter of fact pyscho simplicity.

I still take issue with George seeing them leave that last day. I still find his details lacking where there should be some re: Caylee waking in the morning is not mentioned at all. They woke up back packed and headed out the door at 1pmish? No morning anything. For a child of two living under your roof impossible!

I thought he always made Caylee's breakfast and I thought he said he did so that morning. Mind is getting a bit foggy. JMO.

Actually, what happened after is more important.

[Xmygrits]

I think that was pretty much the norm for Casey. She could take Caylee to the park or shopping for a couple of hours and then return home. I bet the neighbors would know. jmo

I bet they would!:thumbup:

[grammaw]

I wish that the next person she tells how much faith she has ask's her to recite the Ten Commandments.....I bet she couldn't....
In my Bible,I have always read that to be forgiven,you have to confess the sins to Me,they have such denial,how do they do That!

[Xmygrits]

Well, we're getting somewhere this morning. I agree with parts of your scenario too. I'm not sure it was a softkill in the pool though. I think she tossed the kid in there, or the kid got in there herself, while Casey was pretending to be working on the home computer. She then checks on the kid 45 minutes later, maybe an hour later. Too late.

It's the coverup and what happens afterwards that makes this all look suspicious, and rightly so.

I do agree with you - she's toast....or a Popped Tart! :w00t:

[desmom]

I don't know, that's why I said "I assume". After thinking about that MySpace conversation I remembered that Casey said to Lee,
"Mom and I taught Caylee to take shots." Does anyone have any saved screen shots of Casey and Lee's old MS pages where they communicated all of the time?

No screen shots, but a google search brought up:

From Casey > Lee
Apr 18, 2007 3:04 PM
"mom & i officially taught caylee how to take shots "

on several message boards. Caylee would have been approx. 18 months old. This would have also been a month after Casey turned 21 (I think). jmo

[Neffy]

I thought he always made Caylee's breakfast and I thought he said he did so that morning. Mind is getting a bit foggy. JMO.

Actually, what happened after is more important.

Hey Dunnie long time.

The only recollection that George had was of them waking up back packed and out the door describing in details their clothing. :sneaky:

[Dells]

Thanks for sharing that email Lavie. I cannot believe cindy is taking credit for increasing the membership in that church. I tell ya, the ego of this family knows absolutely no bounds.

The fact that cindy is responding to emails is a potential nightmare for her daughter's defense, imo.

I so agree w/you. Cindy is seriously delusional that it is almost frightening. If people indeed are joining her church in droves, then it is in spite of her, not because of her.:sneaky:

[Xmygrits]

Quite agree. Nothing elaborate just matter of fact pyscho simplicity.

I still take issue with George seeing them leave that last day. I still find his details lacking where there should be some re: Caylee waking in the morning is not mentioned at all. They woke up back packed and headed out the door at 1pmish? No morning anything. For a child of two living under your roof impossible!

For real! Oh and loved this...psycho simplicity. :thumbsup:

[KittyMom]

No screen shots, but a google search brought up:

From Casey > Lee
Apr 18, 2007 3:04 PM
"mom & i officially taught caylee how to take shots "

on several message boards. Caylee would have been approx. 18 months old. This would have also been a month after Casey turned 21 (I think). jmo

I wonder if they taught her how to smoke too. :rolleyes:

[Xmygrits]

FRED?:scared: is that you? :biggrin:

Yessum I'm preeetty it's me.

[Dick Tracy]

I so agree w/you. Cindy is seriously delusional that it is almost frightening. If people indeed are joining her church in droves, then it is in spite of her, not because of her.:sneaky:

Could you imagine "the faithful one" being put in the can for obstruction to justice charges, and lying to authorities? Maybe then she could meet with Casey in the common area. Then they could finally talk. How fitting.

[kanzz]

Sorry to rehash this but I was just watching LKL again and @14:50 to 14:55 Larry asked Cindy if she ever asked her daughter to whether or not she did this and Cindy replied yes and I believed her. Doesn't that show that she now knows that OC lied to her and that she did commit this crime or is she setting OC up and helping the prosecution with their case against her daughter? thoughts?

http://www.wftv.com/video/19459412/index.html

transcripts
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/13/lkl.01.html

KING: Did you ever ask her if she did it?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

KING: And she says? CINDY ANTHONY: No. And I believed her.

So I guess that she must have asked this question to OC in a letter that she had written to her. imo

Also according to Lapis, if I understood him correctly, this would give grounds for a warrant for JB's laptop in order to see these letters. I hope this is true and that JB will also have another FBA investigation going on because of this. IMO JB will loose his license after or maybe before this case goes to trial since he isn't going to be first chair anymore. jmh

I think it was back in July that Cindy asked Casey if she did it... right before Cindy called 911.

[Dunlurken]

Hey Dunnie long time.

The only recollection that George had was of them waking up back packed and out the door describing in details their clothing. :sneaky:

Thanks. The more I learn the more flabbergasted I am with this family. They didn't know Casey wasn't working. They didn't know there was no Nanny. They didn't know where their grandchild was every day and she lived in their own home. They didn't know anything.

Now they KNOW. JMO.

[aproudmom]

I wonder what the neighbors do know. The one neighbor did notice that she backed her car in rather than pulling straight in. Seems he would have noticed if the car was there when it shouldn't have been.

JMO

IF it is the one I am thinking about he was on vacation so that was why he was home and noticed it being odd since she never parked in the garage..and he saw her do it a couple times..I would say he knew CA and GA park in the garage all the time and when she was home she parked in the drive..he is also the one that saw her and TonE come to the house to get gas out of the building right? but did not know who the vehicle belonged to at that time..sorry if I am getting them all mixed up..starting to re read everything to refresh my memory

[Dells]

***snipped***

All I can say is WOW! She is really full of herself huh?

I oh I know, I so agree. ALL new members have joined because of her, really? Not even one of them joined because they just moved to the area and needed a new church to join? Huh. Seriously, her ego knows no bounds.:thumbdown: Maybe someone should ask her how many people have left the church because of her?:chicken:

[Dunlurken]

\
my bold

Somebody did a :no:
:laugh:

I'm trying to do better. :smile:

[margaritaville]

That would prove she and Caylee were were back at home. JMO.


Only if you belive GA that he actually saw them, which I do not.

I honestly believe that Casey left w/ Caylee on sunday night (15th) after the "big fight" and Casey had her in the trunk (duct tape oever mouth so she couldn't scream) and that is where she died. Casey then went back to the house on the 16th and put Caylee in the back yard.

She then borrowed the shovel and for whatever reason aborted that idea and put Caylee back in her trunk where she stayed for a couple of days before being thrown into the woods.

By 8:00 pm Casey is out strolling with BF TonE and renting movies.....

One sick chick!!



MOO

[Dells]

Include a visit to the car and there you have it.

I so agree w/you! They should end the tour w/a visit to the car w/the smell of death in it. None of the jurors will have a doubt then. The prosecution could almost rest their case right then and there.

[kanzz]

No screen shots, but a google search brought up:

From Casey > Lee
Apr 18, 2007 3:04 PM
"mom & i officially taught caylee how to take shots "

on several message boards. Caylee would have been approx. 18 months old. This would have also been a month after Casey turned 21 (I think). jmo


"Shots" = subject to interpretation:

1. Jigger of alcohol

2. Injection / Immunization

[Neffy]

Could you imagine "the faithful one" being put in the can for obstruction to justice charges, and lying to authorities? Maybe then she could meet with Casey in the common area. Then they could finally talk. How fitting.

I can. I can also imagine Cindy's delusions of grandeur thinking "her following" will rally outside the jail and demand her release. :sneaky:

[Dells]

I wonder when she joined that Church. She sure wasn't *Godly* towards folks when this began.

And she certainly isn't now either, so apparently, her faith has not helped one bit. I just think that Cindy plays the "religion card" when she thinks it can help her and Casey. Much like JB plays the "race card" when it suits him.:sneaky:

[Dells]

Hi,


She is full of more than herself.....this woman has the audacity to bring up the Lord's name while she is trying to cover the murder of one of the Lords prescious child that was murdered at the hands of her daughter....

Cindy is now using God to try and protect her daughter....This whole family is disgusting.....

Very well said, Barbara!:thumbup:

[Dunlurken]

Only if you belive GA that he actually saw them, which I do not.

I honestly believe that Casey left w/ Caylee on sunday night (15th) after the "big fight" and Casey had her in the trunk (duct tape oever mouth so she couldn't scream) and that is where she died. Casey then went back to the house on the 16th and put Caylee in the back yard.

She then borrowed the shovel and for whatever reason aborted that idea and put Caylee back in her trunk where she stayed for a couple of days before being thrown into the woods.

By 8:00 pm Casey is out strolling with BF TonE and renting movies.....

One sick chick!!



MOOI think we will probably never know the actual TOD or COD nor POD (place of death). I think we do know that prosecution needs to put the Anthony's on the stand, state they are hostile witnesses, then question them.

The Anthony's will then be somewhat not important because they don't tell the truth. JMO.

[trich]

Of course they know she i guilty...and I'm sure Casey is refusing their visits because she can't face them....

Nothing would keep me away from visiting my daughter...we wouldn't have to discuss the case...just a visit, that's all.....Scott Peterson's family was there everytime there was visiting hours......

Cind is going to live to regret all this behavior she is displaying...she is going to get hit real hard at the end.....This family doesn't hve a clue on how to be in a bad situation....they just keep spilling more lies over and over again....I wonder...did Casey teach them to lie or did they teach Casey to lie?

I may be mistaken but I believe Baez has stopped the Anthonys from visiting Casey.
He has probably made Casey and they to believe that visits from them
will be detrimental to Casey's case.
Which might be the only time I would agree with him.LOL
Would be nice to see more bad behavior from Casey.LOL
This family does not interact with one another very well.
And aparrantly this has been going on way before poor Caylee was killed.
But if I was in this position and believed my daughter I would be trying to see her every time they allow visitation.
Cindy is all about Cindy though ....it is all about her ...IMO.

[Amy]

Sorry to rehash this but I was just watching LKL again and @14:50 to 14:55 Larry asked Cindy if she ever asked her daughter to whether or not she did this and Cindy replied yes and I believed her. Doesn't that show that she now knows that OC lied to her and that she did commit this crime or is she setting OC up and helping the prosecution with their case against her daughter? thoughts?

http://www.wftv.com/video/19459412/index.html

transcripts
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/13/lkl.01.html

KING: Did you ever ask her if she did it?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

KING: And she says? CINDY ANTHONY: No. And I believed her.


So I guess that she must have asked this question to OC in a letter that she had written to her. imo

Also according to Lapis, if I understood him correctly, this would give grounds for a warrant for JB's laptop in order to see these letters. I hope this is true and that JB will also have another FBA investigation going on because of this. IMO JB will loose his license after or maybe before this case goes to trial since he isn't going to be first chair anymore. jmh

I couldn't even make it to the end of the transcript. I watched a bit of the video w/the sound off, but couldn't even get thru that.

What I did notice was that Cindy was holding George's hand thru/out--remember back in the days when they didn't even touch each other, like even in the jail house visit, when Cindy was crying? Then, there was something @ I think a church (but not the "public" memorial--IF you weren't on Cindy's list, you were welcome) you could have actually sat 2 people between them, they were sitting so far apart. Maybe they had read about how they don't seem to comfort each other, so she wants people to see how "close" she and George are. It sure does look like an awkward position, tho. (I know, Cindy, we pick apart if you DON'T touch, and we pick apart if you DO. hammer)

Whaaa Whaaa Whaaa about the pre-trial publicity. Too bad their ATTORNEY can't get it thru their heads that THEY are keeping the publicity going. HELLOOOOOOO!!!!!! Well, I'm not too impressed by their attorney--you know, there is NO EVIDENCE, just DISCOVERY!!! Geesh!!!! And, he tells LK that the prosecution DOES speak to the case publicly by releasing all that information. Brad, do you actually practice law in FL? Seems most FL lawyers would know about AND understand about that little thing called THE SUNSHINE LAW!!!! Too bad LK wasn't up on the case enough to remind him of this little detail. These prosecutors probably had nothing to do with writing and passing the Sunshine Law; it's not like it was just invented a couple of months ago to turn the masses against Casey Anthony.

Well, if I can get my stomach settled down, maybe I will try reading some more of the transcript, but I doubt it.

[Dells]

Well, who's to say what the number of the congregation was before she joined. There may be 3 members now. :wink:

(How will she know when her God is speaking to her when she won't shut up?)

You know, in Cindy's response to you when Cindy said that all these new people have joined her church because of her, all I could think about was that Family Guy Episode when Peter created his own church. Was it the Church of Fonz, or something along those lines? It seems like Cindy thinks that people have joined the Church of Cindy.:sneaky:

[aproudmom]

Thanks. The more I learn the more flabbergasted I am with this family. They didn't know Casey wasn't working. They didn't know there was no Nanny. They didn't know where their grandchild was every day and she lived in their own home. They didn't know anything.

Now they KNOW. JMO.

As we can see CA is the boss of that house she would know who was taking care of this child I am sorry I do not believe for one minute they thought there was this Nanny for 2 yrs and they not 1 time talked to her or seen her..CA is so controlling she would make sure she knew who had Caylee...I will never believe they did not know there was not a nanny for Caylee as their sweet KC went off to her imaginary job everyday for those 2yrs if so they are blind or really stupid..OR BOTH

[Dunlurken]

But if I was in this position and believed my daughter I would be trying to see her every time they allow visitation.
Cindy is all about Cindy though ....it is all about her ...IMO.


snipping to address:

Cindy is worried about her own self at this point. She could very well be charged with obstruction, as could George. JMO.

[CeruleanBleu]

No screen shots, but a google search brought up:

From Casey > Lee
Apr 18, 2007 3:04 PM
"mom & i officially taught caylee how to take shots "

on several message boards. Caylee would have been approx. 18 months old. This would have also been a month after Casey turned 21 (I think). jmo

Thanks for that. This ties in with what Lee and Casey called their Sunday Fundays. I'm trying to find something to tie into Cindy and maybe the entire family having alcohol problems.
Cindy displays many characteristics of an alcoholic.

[desmom]

I wonder what the neighbors do know. The one neighbor did notice that she backed her car in rather than pulling straight in. Seems he would have noticed if the car was there when it shouldn't have been.

JMO

Hmmm, I think that was Mr. Burner, the neighbor that loaned Casey the shovel. IIRC, he was on vacation when he saw Casey's car backed into the garage.

I was thinking of the neighbor that said Casey had boyfriends "lined up from here to Ohio" or something like that. It was an audio link someone posted last week.

jmo

[Neffy]

[QUOTE=Lavinia;13114545]I got a response to my email from Cindy:

I have the complete backing of my family our friends, our church, my therapist, thousands of others who actually know something. Susan I am sorry you do not agree with what I am about but that is your problem, not mine. I can live with myself and I do not need to be handleed. I think that is your issue. You seem to want to handle this. Stop. You cannot. What I understand is that you believe one thing and I believe something else. That is ok. Our Pastors sermon today was about not caring what people think about you because the only one that matters is GOD. He knows what is in my heart. If you do not see it I can not help you. Because of my faith and what I have given back to our church our membership has grown by 1/3 in size. All new members have joined because I brought them there. God is the only one stronger, that I will listen to. Susan, I am grateful for your concern, if it is real then please blog about the National Vigil For Hope that I will be speaking at tonight. This is another good thing that came from my bullheadedness as you call it not to give up hope. Families are being helped. All I have to say.

[QUOTE/]

Snipped...........for brevity.


Like everything else seems Cindy took the sermon out of context.

Lie all you want and don't worry about what people think. If it's right for you to do then DO IT! You'll answer to God later - cease the moment! :rolleyes:

[Dunlurken]

As we can see CA is the boss of that house she would know who was taking care of this child I am sorry I do not believe for one minute they thought there was this Nanny for 2 yrs and they not 1 time talked to her or seen her..CA is so controlling she would make sure she knew who had Caylee...I will never believe they did not know there was not a nanny for Caylee as their sweet KC went off to her imaginary job everyday for those 2yrs if so they are blind or really stupid..OR BOTH

EXACTLY! (sorry, didn't mean to shout). Cindy knows much more then she's telling... funny how she washed out Casey's clothes etc. I don't understand why they haven't been arrested yet, except as another poster pointed out, they want the big fish (Casey), not too worried about the little fish. YET. JMO.

[Amy]

snipped to address: But, George said he saw them leave at 1:00 p.m. while watching his cooking show. If he's lying, he's in big trouble. JMO.

I think he was lying--because he started to say watching the "NEW---" and Cindy pinched his leg and he says "A COOKING SHOW." Hmmm, if it was a cooking show he watched regularly, why not say "I was watching (Rachel Ray, Paula Deen, insert name of whatever cooking show is on @ noon for a full hour--if there is one.)"

[Anakerie]

Dun - Cindy has been responding to a number of posters and her email address is out there. You can also contact her through the Foundation and the email is public. Her foundation address is
CMA@cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.org

So it's not really a secret how to reach her.

imo
The fundation email is the one I used to let her know that I had written that "open letter" on my blog. That is also the one she used to respond to me... :shrug:

[ellegna]

Quite agree. Nothing elaborate just matter of fact pyscho simplicity.

I still take issue with George seeing them leave that last day. I still find his details lacking where there should be some re: Caylee waking in the morning is not mentioned at all. They woke up back packed and headed out the door at 1pmish? No morning anything. For a child of two living under your roof impossible!

Didn't George say in one of his LE interviews he always made breakfast for Caylee? With all the precise details George provided for that day, funny he failed to mention making breakfast. He must have forgot while trying to keep to the script :tonguewag:

[AMS]

"Shots" = subject to interpretation:

1. Jigger of alcohol

2. Injection / Immunization

My vote is that it was #1. Just a hunch :sneaky:

imo

[FeelinFroggy617]

Wow! You got a much better reply from that woman than I got! She must have been in a much better mood when she answered your email.. lol... Well done, Lavinia!

Anakerie.... can I see your correspondance with her please? I didn't get to see that post and I'm quite curious!!! TIA.

[Amy]

I want to know why they won't go visit Casey in jail. That's just nuts if they truly believe she's innocent. Don't talk about the case.... just go see your daughter FGS! They KNOW she's guilty. JMO.

But, Cindy says the tapes will be released directly (altho she has it wrong, the tapes that were released weren't release IMMEDIATELY, they were released in a doc dump, some time later.) And, people will say they cried too much, or didn't cry enough, or what they said sounded fake, whatever. Any excuse to not go--one that does not reflect "badly" on them, IMO.

[grammaw]

I may be mistaken but I believe Baez has stopped the Anthonys from visiting Casey.
He has probably made Casey and they to believe that visits from them
will be detrimental to Casey's case.
Which might be the only time I would agree with him.LOL
Would be nice to see more bad behavior from Casey.LOL
This family does not interact with one another very well.
And aparrantly this has been going on way before poor Caylee was killed.
But if I was in this position and believed my daughter I would be trying to see her every time they allow visitation.
Cindy is all about Cindy though ....it is all about her ...IMO.
I think I heard Cindy say they write letters,can you imagine the letter Casey writes,all about her being so alone and they get to go out and have a real good time with these a$$ine media footing the bill,thanks to her!I can only imagine.

[Dells]

Probably for the memorial...the church probably offered there premises and that's when Cindy took advantage and figured it would make this family look good (like that can happen).....

They just don't strike me as religious people.....

I wanted to laugh when George was telling Casey (while in jail) about a young man whocame to their door and they invited it....and Casey says "That's right, the Bible say's to look after our neighbor's"...What about her own child? Did she think that it would be acceptable to murder her?

I so agree w/you! When Casey was quoting the Bible, it just seem so unnatural to me.

I also think that Cindy is trying to appear so religious now because she thinks it can help her public image. If she was truly religious, then she would worry about Casey's soul. It's all about public appearances to them.

[Neffy]

Didn't George say in one of his LE interviews he always made breakfast for Caylee? With all the precise details George provided for that day, funny he failed to mention making breakfast. He must have forgot while trying to keep to the script :tonguewag:

Script is right! That's exactly what it was IMO!

[aproudmom]

THERE IS computer hard disk activity on the computer at the Anthony home during the 1400 hour according to forensics, on the afternoon of 16th june. Wasn't George, wasn't Cindy. Wasn't Lee. Who could it have been? The SOC?

IMO KC I don't think it happened the 15th I think she went back to the house on the 16th after GA left for work..yeah it is odd he knew just what they were wearing but I still think it happened on the 16th..

[Dick Tracy]

Sorry boss, brain not engaged yet. What's SOC?


It's the OC WITH a new designator... STUPID!

[margaritaville]

"Shots" = subject to interpretation:

1. Jigger of alcohol

2. Injection / Immunization


i thought about that too.. But really what is there to teach about getting a shot at the Dr. office??
What is it she should be doinf to learn "how to take them:?
to me that makes no sense.......IMHO

[Amy]

I just don't get it. What about Caylee and the fact that she was dumped like a piece of trash? :confused:

They know there isn't anything they can do that will save Caylee, can't unring that bell. So, they have to devote their efforts to save Casey. And, give away teddy bears to first responders, like this is something no one else ever tho't of. So they can say all they are doing is trying to keep Caylee's memory alive, while they are really trying to get the public to think Casey's innocent--or @ the least to perpetuate the pre-trial publicity so there can be a COV, or maybe they are thinking there will be NO trial, if they keep on the airwaves.

[Dunlurken]

Script is right! That's exactly what it was IMO!

But I thought it was Zanny the Nanny who gave Casey a script. (I'm being facetious). So, who made up the script?

I'm over thinking this as I always do. LOL.

[aproudmom]

Wow! You got a much better reply from that woman than I got! She must have been in a much better mood when she answered your email.. lol... Well done, Lavinia!

lol and you sent such a nice email to her..and what did she ask you if you were overweight from doing nothing but sitting on your A$$..LOL..:laugh:

[Neffy]

But I thought it was Zanny the Nanny who gave Casey a script. (I'm being facetious). So, who made up the script?

I'm over thinking this as I always do. LOL.

Team Anthony operation cover up :thumbdown:

[Dells]

GM bch, The documents do support that her brother and mother do not support her. Also from what I have noticed in the interviews that they have had is that George looks astounded when she says something totally off the wall. She is probably thinking of the church members that came to the memorial for Caylee. But she just doesn't get that they were there for Caylee and not for her. imo

Cindy doesn't get that they weren't there for Casey either. George doesn't get that either.:sneaky:

ETA: Neither does Lee.

[aproudmom]

Script is right! That's exactly what it was IMO!

Neffy was it you late last night early thing morning that had a bug alert from KFN site??Sorry can not remember who it was..

[Dunlurken]

i thought about that too.. But really what is there to teach about getting a shot at the Dr. office??
What is it she should be doinf to learn "how to take them:?
to me that makes no sense.......IMHO

I think Caylee was up-to-date on her shots. Should be interesting to see if her shot record comes out in court and it will prove or disprove the statement "we taught Caylee how to take shots".

I don't know, just an opinion. My first thought as a grandma was immunizations too. :confused:

[Amy]

I think Cindy questioned Casey when she was out on bail.

In July, Cindy said, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,388202,00.html "Casey's lied to me in the past and when she's lied she's always told me the truth. We've gotten to the bottom of the truth when I talk to her and spend time with her."

Maybe Cindy has to look Casey in the eye to get the truth. From around the same time frame:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18206136/detail.html

Cindy to Casey during a jail visit in July: "Look straight up so I can look into your eyes. Thank you. You know I need to do that."

Cindy may think Casey has told her the truth about things in the past and about Caylee's disappearance. IMO, the evidence says otherwise.

I think she might have TRIED to talk to Casey, but then, Baez had told them they couldn't discuss the case. I can see Casey being downright smug about that--"Mom, just shut up!!! You KNOW we can't discuss this!!! Jose said we can't!!!!"

[Dells]

I have a mapping system where I can measure the exact distance from the house to the location. Just give me a bit and I'll get you that info.

There is NO WAY IMO Casey carried a deceased Caylee behind their property, down past the retention pond and through that thick foliage/woods to the location near Suburban Dr. where she dumped her. Caylee was in that trunk and she casually drove there and threw her into the woods. I figure the handles of the laundry tote gave her enough of a slingshot effect to throw her as far as she did. As thick as that vegetation is, she didn't walk down in there and lay her down gently on the spot.

I so agree w/you! Casey is lazy and there is no way she walked that far to dispose of Caylee. She drove her car to that spot, and walked as far as she dared into those woods. Which wasn't very far at all.

[Dunlurken]

lol and you sent such a nice email to her..and what did she ask you if you were overweight from doing nothing but sitting on your A$$..LOL..:laugh:

Doesn't she realize we're too busy blogging/posting/analyzing to eat?

JMO.

[ellegna]

I think he was lying--because he started to say watching the "NEW---" and Cindy pinched his leg and he says "A COOKING SHOW." Hmmm, if it was a cooking show he watched regularly, why not say "I was watching (Rachel Ray, Paula Deen, insert name of whatever cooking show is on @ noon for a full hour--if there is one.)"

Ah yes. That was said during the Greta home interview. George actually started by saying it was just after the noon hour. Just before that he told Greta it was 12:50.
My ex (cop) said you can tell if someone is lying if they provide exact details and stick to it word for word every time. Someone who is telling the truth will stick to the same story but the details change slightly every time they repeat.
George did not see them at 12:50 as far as I'm concerned and I don't believe he saw them that day at all.

[aproudmom]

It's the OC WITH a new designator... STUPID!

DT did you ever figure out when those houses were put in back behind their house..someone said it was dated 2002 did they not just get their pool the year before? cause I remember them saying they were teaching her to swim in the new pool

[Neffy]

Neffy was it you late last night early thing morning that had a bug alert from KFN site??Sorry can not remember who it was..

Yep that was me! Just to warn others what happened is I wanted to verify something on the KFN site and I didn't have a link so I did a search. I clicked on the first link that came up. Was redirected to something that said scan4note and then my Norton kicked in saying virus in progress being removed or what ever that pop up is that Norton states: I-WORM.TROJAN.B.

Now whether I just wasn't paying attention to what I was clicking on or if it infact was that site I couldn't say. Take it for what it's worth.

Just a reminder for us all to be careful.

[Amy]

Cindy once said, I've already lost one, can't loose another.

From what I've seen, they don't care about Caylee. If they do, or did, their love for Casey is much stronger. And they have bonded together to make sure the forces don't get her.

Their public memorial had so much to do with Casey, it was sickening. They couldn't even make that one day all about Caylee.

Cindy probably remember the jailhouse visit where poor Casey complained that everyone is only thinking about Caylee "WHAT ABOUT MEEEE!!!! Of course, I'm worried about Caylee, too."

[Dunlurken]

Casey isn't writing any letters. She was supposed to write to Lee and give him tips on looking for Caylee, he's still waiting for that letter.

There's no communication, unless it is Baez telling them what to do in order to help "their daughter" George talks about that in one of his interviews with LE. Basically Baez ordered them to appear and testify at the bail hearing, George didn;t sound like he and Cindy wanted to, but Baez pulled the "it's your daughter" card, and guilted them into it.

That is such an interesting point. "We write letters"? Prosecution, confiscate those letters. :mellow:

[aproudmom]

Doesn't she realize we're too busy blogging/posting/analyzing to eat?

JMO.

:thumbsup:can you let her know that..:wink:

[Dunlurken]

Ah yes. That was said during the Greta home interview. George actually started by saying it was just after the noon hour. Just before that he told Greta it was 12:50.
My ex (cop) said you can tell if someone is lying if they provide exact details and stick to it word for word every time. Someone who is telling the truth will stick to the same story but the details change slightly every time they repeat.
George did not see them at 12:50 as far as I'm concerned and I don't believe he saw them that day at all.

The Anthony's were watching the Scott Peterson trial. At least Cindy probably was. JMO. Don't talk about cooking shows. LMAO.

[Lavinia]

You watch your back Lavinia. She's probably got DGator on your trail! :laugh:

I ain't skeered of no hack double-ought spy! :laugh:

I emailed her with my full legal name from my ISP email account.

[Dick Tracy]

Ah yes. That was said during the Greta home interview. George actually started by saying it was just after the noon hour. Just before that he told Greta it was 12:50.
My ex (cop) said you can tell if someone is lying if they provide exact details and stick to it word for word every time. Someone who is telling the truth will stick to the same story but the details change slightly every time they repeat.
George did not see them at 12:50 as far as I'm concerned and I don't believe he saw them that day at all.

I agree.. Ask a simple question and get a page worth of answer from a liar.

I do think George saw them on the 16th though. That was information first gleaned right after the 15th of July. You could tell in the interviews with LE that George was being pretty candid and truthful, as he was trying to "brother up" to the investigators, being a detecti, er sherrif, er I meant deputy at one time in his earlier years.

George in that interview, was saying things that I'm sure he regrets now, about Casey and Cindy, and just things in general. The smell. You never forget that smell.

He was being honest then. But not now. I did notice for the LKL that Cindy told him he good take his "bullring" off.

George is a lemming. A patsy. He has no courage on his own, and he's not the most intelligent guy in the house (admittedly). He's just a SISSY MARY. He's probably a bad bowler too.

[aproudmom]

and what is cindy's opinion of people who sit around all day and READ
what all these overweight, non-contributing, judgmental members of society write on their blogs? Considering she is one of them, i'm sure it is highly flattering.

No actually someone needs to remind her little MISS MOTHER OF THE YEAR who had a sweet 2yr old spent hours on the net hooking up with every cop in Florida and posting her party pics and I do not think any of us could be worse than her daughter..if she was not texing she was the Myspace and Facebook queen sleez

[Dells]

I'd like to feel sorry for her too, but her arrogance gets in the way.

JMO

So true! That is why I said I **almost** feel sorry for her.

[Dunlurken]

Gonna jump WAAAYYY out on a limb here. Could she have been referring to 'pot shots'? ie, physical/verbal shots?

I don't think anyone, except the worst of the worst, gives a baby a shot of alcohol. So I take that statement with a grain of salt. They may be crazy, but I just don't believe Cindy would give Caylee a shot of alcohol. JMO.

Although she didn't ever speak to the sitter, or call the cops for 31 days.

:confused:

[Amy]

You know, if Baez told them not to visit Casey, then why don't the Anthony's just say so instead of putting the blame on the media or the fact that the interviews are taped. What are they afraid she will say?

I'd tell any attorney to put it where the sun don't shine if I was told to not visit my daughter. JMO.

Conway is another trip. Why does he let the Anthony's go on LKL?

If Casey wanted to allow them to visit, all she has to do is put their name on the visitors list. It would soon be all over the papers if she did this, so even if Baez tells them no, they would see that they could visit her. IMO

IMO, NO ONE is going to stop Cindy Anthony from doing what she wants to do. One can advise her, but I don't think she takes advice too well. I do wonder why he doesn't just fire them as clients, but I guess, he gets paid whether they take his advice or not. (Wonder if he's gonna get BIG bucks when all is said and done, after the royalties and other payments come in.)

[Dick Tracy]

No actually someone needs to remind her little MISS MOTHER OF THE YEAR who had a sweet 2yr old spent hours on the net hooking up with every cop in Florida and posting her party pics and I do not think any of us could be worse than her daughter..if she was not texing she was the Myspace and Facebook queen sleez

Man, she was a sleez. One reference she has in a text message to Amy about all the MAN meat in some club she's going to.

Any man in America would be proud to have Casey........... as a daughter..

KING: Weird.

[Neffy]

I ain't skeered of no hack double-ought spy! :laugh:

I emailed her with my full legal name from my ISP email account.

I figured you did. Living in Land O'Steer and didn't figure you'd be skeered of anything :) Don't mess with ..........

"hack-double-ought" :lol:

[Dunlurken]

George in that interview, was saying things that I'm sure he regrets now, about Casey and Cindy, and just things in general. The smell. You never forget that smell.

He was being honest then. But not now. I did notice for the LKL that Cindy told him he good take his "bullring" off.

George is a lemming. A patsy. He has no courage on his own, and he's not the most intelligent guy in the house (admittedly). He's just a SISSY MARY. He's probably a bad bowler too.


Snipping to address: This is why George "freaked out" and ended up in a psych ward. He is "conflicted". JMO.

[jakee]

Cindy probably remember the jailhouse visit where poor Casey complained that everyone is only thinking about Caylee "WHAT ABOUT MEEEE!!!! Of course, I'm worried about Caylee, too."

It is just so sad that she has to bring everything back to her. Even little things like when Cindy was talking about Caylee liking bagels ( I think it was bagels) and Casey pipes in "I like bagels too" and Cindy telling Casey she got a flat tire, Casey pipes in "Guess what, that happened to me too" She is just so horrid. Who cares Casey! Big deal you liked bagels, now you get grits and coleslaw.

[KatieLady]

I don't think anyone, except the worst of the worst, gives a baby a shot of alcohol. So I take that statement with a grain of salt. They may be crazy, but I just don't believe Cindy would give Caylee a shot of alcohol. JMO.

Although she didn't ever speak to the sitter, or call the cops for 31 days.

:confused:

I don't believe Cindy would either Dunnie. But the thought that they may have taught her to imitate them doing shooters...makes my blood boil! :cursing:

[Lavinia]

Wow! You got a much better reply from that woman than I got! She must have been in a much better mood when she answered your email.. lol... Well done, Lavinia!

I think it took a Nurse Ratched to know a Nurse Ratched, lol.

[aproudmom]

I agree.. Ask a simple question and get a page worth of answer from a liar.

I do think George saw them on the 16th though. That was information first gleaned right after the 15th of July. You could tell in the interviews with LE that George was being pretty candid and truthful, as he was trying to "brother up" to the investigators, being a detecti, er sherrif, er I meant deputy at one time in his earlier years.

George in that interview, was saying things that I'm sure he regrets now, about Casey and Cindy, and just things in general. The smell. You never forget that smell.

He was being honest then. But not now. I did notice for the LKL that Cindy told him he good take his "bullring" off.

George is a lemming. A patsy. He has no courage on his own, and he's not the most intelligent guy in the house (admittedly). He's just a SISSY MARY. He's probably a bad bowler too.

ITA he had to sneak out to talk to the FBI cause he was afraid of CA and he pretty much fessed up to just what he thought and then it all changed maybe he got a hammer to the head when CA found out he wanted it to be just between him and them..dummy you would think if he was in LE at one time DUH everything is taped..that is why his butt was brought in to the grand jury

[Neffy]

It is just so sad that she has to bring everything back to her. Even little things like when Cindy was talking about Caylee liking bagels ( I think it was bagels) and Casey pipes in "I like bagels too" and Cindy telling Casey she got a flat tire, Casey pipes in "Guess what, that happened to me too" She is just so horrid. Who cares Casey! Big deal you liked bagels, now you get grits and coleslaw.

Then you have George talking about suicide then Cindy pipes in I have suicide letters too! :sneaky: I YI YI!

[MiamiNice1]

I got a response to my email from Cindy:

I have the complete backing of my family our friends, our church, my therapist, thousands of others who actually know something. Susan I am sorry you do not agree with what I am about but that is your problem, not mine. I can live with myself and I do not need to be handleed. I think that is your issue. You seem to want to handle this. Stop. You cannot. What I understand is that you believe one thing and I believe something else. That is ok. Our Pastors sermon today was about not caring what people think about you because the only one that matters is GOD. He knows what is in my heart. If you do not see it I can not help you. Because of my faith and what I have given back to our church our membership has grown by 1/3 in size. All new members have joined because I brought them there. God is the only one stronger, that I will listen to. Susan, I am grateful for your concern, if it is real then please blog about the National Vigil For Hope that I will be speaking at tonight. This is another good thing that came from my bullheadedness as you call it not to give up hope. Families are being helped. All I have to say.

<snipped for space>



Thanks for sharing this with us, Lavinia.

The part that struck me like a ton of bricks is this phrase:

"All new members have joined because I brought them there."

Cindy's stunning lack of humility is shocking!!! SHE is responsible for bringing people to God? I thought that was the work of the Holy Spirit?

Her use of "I" has my jaw hitting the floor!!!!! Her pride is vile and will be her undoing.

imo

[kanzz]

i thought about that too.. But really what is there to teach about getting a shot at the Dr. office??
What is it she should be doinf to learn "how to take them:?
to me that makes no sense.......IMHO

Don't get me wrong, I am in no way trying to defend either Cindy or Casey; but, nurses teach patients at every opportunity. What to expect, to hold still, etc. Could even be that Cindy demo'd on Casey so Caylee could actually watch.

[Patricia]

"Shots" = subject to interpretation:

1. Jigger of alcohol

2. Injection / Immunization

wasn't Casey a photo taker? Camera shots, maybe:confused:

[Xmygrits]

It is just so sad that she has to bring everything back to her. Even little things like when Cindy was talking about Caylee liking bagels ( I think it was bagels) and Casey pipes in "I like bagels too" and Cindy telling Casey she got a flat tire, Casey pipes in "Guess what, that happened to me too" She is just so horrid. Who cares Casey! Big deal you liked bagels, now you get grits and coleslaw.

Hey! :w00t: Whats wrong with grits?

[Neffy]

Thanks for sharing this with us, Lavinia.

The part that struck me like a ton of bricks is this phrase:

"All new members have joined because I brought them there."

Cindy's stunning lack of humility is shocking!!! SHE is responsible for bringing people to God? I thought that was the work of the Holy Spirit?

Her use of "I" has my jaw hitting the floor!!!!! Her pride is vile and will be her undoing.

imo

A real Pied Piper she is. Who needs a Holy Spirit when you have CINDY :blink: :sneaky:

[Anakerie]

Anakerie.... can I see your correspondance with her please? I didn't get to see that post and I'm quite curious!!! TIA.
It's on my blog, Feelin...
http://anakerie.blogspot.com/
The top 2 posts.. scroll down for the open letter and then back up to the top for her response...

I've been busy with another project, so I haven't done any more posts on the blog since those.. hehe

[msgatorslayer]

ITA he had to sneak out to talk to the FBI cause he was afraid of CA and he pretty much fessed up to just what he thought and then it all changed maybe he got a hammer to the head when CA found out he wanted it to be just between him and them..dummy you would think if he was in LE at one time DUH everything is taped..that is why his butt was brought in to the grand jury

I hope, at trial, we find out what George said in his GJ testimony. I think he was the only one who would be honest and that is why he was called and not Cindy. He probably testified to what we've already heard him say in his secret meeting with LE, and maybe some other things we haven't heard about.

[aproudmom]

I wish that the next person she tells how much faith she has ask's her to recite the Ten Commandments.....I bet she couldn't....

OK this made be laugh brought back the day at the civil depo..when she said don't tell me I can't pray..and GA said just shut up..no I wont shut up how dare them tell me I can't pray...:laugh: what a joke I guess they have to ask for forgiveness everyday they are keeping the Lord very busy these days..

[Tracian]

***snipped***

All I can say is WOW! She is really full of herself huh?



I actually thought I read that wrong...WOW...is right, what an ego that woman has!!!

[Neffy]

Hey! :w00t: Whats wrong with grits?

This took me a second :blushing: :laugh:

[Dunlurken]

Then you have George talking about suicide then Cindy pipes in I have suicide letters too! :sneaky: I YI YI!

Why would anybody write that stuff down. You're going to do it, you do it, you don't write a letter. JMO.

[101Spots]

They know there isn't anything they can do that will save Caylee, can't unring that bell. So, they have to devote their efforts to save Casey. And, give away teddy bears to first responders, like this is something no one else ever tho't of. So they can say all they are doing is trying to keep Caylee's memory alive, while they are really trying to get the public to think Casey's innocent--or @ the least to perpetuate the pre-trial publicity so there can be a COV, or maybe they are thinking there will be NO trial, if they keep on the airwaves.

Good luck with that. They sure failed miserably in keeping Caylee herself alive.

[MiamiNice1]

A real Pied Piper she is. Who needs a Holy Spirit when you have CINDY :blink: :sneaky:
:laugh: Good one, Neffy!

The narcissism is just too much to comprehend.

(btw, where is Imperfect4?!)

[Dick Tracy]

No screen shots, but a google search brought up:

From Casey > Lee
Apr 18, 2007 3:04 PM
"mom & i officially taught caylee how to take shots "

on several message boards. Caylee would have been approx. 18 months old. This would have also been a month after Casey turned 21 (I think). jmo

April 18, 2007 3:04 pm is a Wednesday... Interesting.

I can just imagine Casey and her mom showing that little girl how to do a shot. Probably had to show her how a few times, using the real McCoy. That's scarey.

[jakee]

Hey! :w00t: Whats wrong with grits?

:thumbsup: sorry...lol... Awww poor Casey, she made a big deal about eating grits! I like grits, but I have to say, I have never had grits made in jail, so maybe they taste different. :biggrin:

[penguinlady]

i thought about that too.. But really what is there to teach about getting a shot at the Dr. office??
What is it she should be doinf to learn "how to take them:?
to me that makes no sense.......IMHO

I hate it when I end up sort of "sticking up" for the OC..but my dh and I have called it "shots" while giving our little guy cold meds. Maybe that is all she meant by it.

Maybe??

IMO
K!

[101Spots]

I think Caylee was up-to-date on her shots. Should be interesting to see if her shot record comes out in court and it will prove or disprove the statement "we taught Caylee how to take shots".

I don't know, just an opinion. My first thought as a grandma was immunizations too. :confused:

That was my first thought, too. But then........ WTH is Cindy doing *practicing* giving Caylee shots? Why even take a needle to her unless it's a real shot. So what is Cindy doing giving Caylee her immunizations? Do RNs normally take home shots?

So maybe it was the other shots?

[aproudmom]

I hope, at trial, we find out what George said in his GJ testimony. I think he was the only one who would be honest and that is why he was called and not Cindy. He probably testified to what we've already heard him say in his secret meeting with LE, and maybe some other things we haven't heard about.

I hope so to and have no doubt that is just why he was brought in to the grand jury he sure said alot that day and it is on video and taped so kinda hard to take it all back now..

[Tracian]

It's on my blog, Feelin...
http://anakerie.blogspot.com/
The top 2 posts.. scroll down for the open letter and then back up to the top for her response...

I've been busy with another project, so I haven't done any more posts on the blog since those.. hehe


Wow...just Wow...that woman didn't have a very Christian attitude, when she replied to you.

I wonder how she got so many people to join a church, as she claims with a mouth like that!

She just proves again what a hypocrite she is.

[Lavinia]

:laugh: Good one, Neffy!

The narcissism is just too much to comprehend.

(btw, where is Imperfect4?!)

(I haven't heard from her despite PM's.):crying:

It TRULY is too hard to comprehend. I was stunned at her reply, or even that she would reply.