Sunday May 17

[Texas48]

Haleigh Marie Cummings......Prayers for this little lost girl.

[Texas48]

Good morning Tex.

Great day for Haleigh to be found.

Great news about Briant being found.

Miracles do happen.
jo..Bolded is mine.........words and thoughts to live by bullyjo....Perhaps we can ALL think about this today...not only for Haleigh but in our life.

[Texas48]

Brought over from last night to say I agree and what if?
jo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Squidward
It's sad ... I hope that for LE this case is not so cold, I hope they have much more than they are saying. I don't expect them to say all they have, but so far all we have heard from them is about Misty and her inconsistencies, I hope they are on the right trail. I think Misty knows what happened, but what if she doesn't? What if they have been led in a wrong direction? I hate to think that there is a predator in the area preying on children. I hope it was family and that she is safe and someone is taking care of her right now.

Prayers for HaleighBolded is mine......its the *what ifs* that get the best of us IMO. I don't want to let my thoughts go to SO that took Haleigh but it is a very good possibility in this case as So Many Other Cases. One never knows who is lurking just around the corner from OUR CHILDREN.....Watching and waiting.

[Texas48]

I did alot of reading last night and back through links and post and found this one posted by Riverwalk..I had not seen this before as there is much I miss......I found it interesting....................................... ...................Originally Posted by Riverwalk!
Need to interrupt for a moment. In the custody papers:
http://www.fox30online.com/media/new...0/petineer.pdf

#23 - from Crystal's attorney, Charles Behm, dated 1/06/2006 states:

23. Since leaving Ronald Cummings, Crystal Sheffield has acquired driving skills, now owns a car, now owns a residence, has succeeded in borrowing a mortgage in her own name, found employment, and is involved in a successful and loving relationship with another man.

Where is this residence? I've searched Baker Co. website (http://www.bakerpa.com/GIS/Search_F.asp) and have found nothing. I've found property for Marie and Bruce A. Griffis, but nothing for Crystal Sheffield in her own name or Chad Griffis' name.

TIA for anyone with info. The last I read was that Crystal and Chad lived in a mobile home in Marie's yard. According to KP, Crystal and Chad are raising his two (boy and girl) from his marriage to Hellen + Chloe (born April, 2008). That's 5 peeps + if Jr. joins them = 6. Where are they living other than Baker County?........................................... .........Bolded is mine......................ANYONE????

[titanfan217]

Brought over from last night to say I agree and what if?
jo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Squidward
It's sad ... I hope that for LE this case is not so cold, I hope they have much more than they are saying. I don't expect them to say all they have, but so far all we have heard from them is about Misty and her inconsistencies, I hope they are on the right trail. I think Misty knows what happened, but what if she doesn't? What if they have been led in a wrong direction? I hate to think that there is a predator in the area preying on children. I hope it was family and that she is safe and someone is taking care of her right now.

Prayers for Haleigh

Unless I hear something otherwise, I'm sticking with MC is the key. There must be something significant in the "timeline" that is keeping LE focused there.

I guess I'm too practical and logical, but it should not be that difficult to take the various statements and then call her in and confront her, okay which is it. I wouldn't suggest arresting her, but I'd sure be letting her know that this might be a long interview. In this case, I'd suggest that an attorney might help. If she is truly innocent, that person just might be able to help her give LE what they need, and she'd be free. If she's not innocent, then bingo, she needs an attorney.

Speaking of, has anyone heard whatever happened with RC and his attorney sitting down with LE.

Not that it's really my business, but hope LE has or confronts RC about his statements about what MC told him about where everyone was sleeping. In one he says that she told him they were all in one bed, but either the Today Show or NG, he was asked what did she tell him the night Haleigh was taken, and he said Haleigh was in her bed and JR and MC in the big one. Did she tell him both the same night? If so, didn't he confront her about the difference?

[Peaches]

Haleigh Marie Cummings......Prayers for this little lost girl.


Thanks for this new link.

Today while you attend church, I hope your hearts and prayers remember Haleigh and all those who love her.

BTW...............God bless all of you and may He keep you in His care!

jmo

[titanfan217]

I did alot of reading last night and back through links and post and found this one posted by Riverwalk..I had not seen this before as there is much I miss......I found it interesting....................................... ...................Originally Posted by Riverwalk!
Need to interrupt for a moment. In the custody papers:
http://www.fox30online.com/media/new...0/petineer.pdf

#23 - from Crystal's attorney, Charles Behm, dated 1/06/2006 states:

23. Since leaving Ronald Cummings, Crystal Sheffield has acquired driving skills, now owns a car, now owns a residence, has succeeded in borrowing a mortgage in her own name, found employment, and is involved in a successful and loving relationship with another man.

Where is this residence? I've searched Baker Co. website (http://www.bakerpa.com/GIS/Search_F.asp) and have found nothing. I've found property for Marie and Bruce A. Griffis, but nothing for Crystal Sheffield in her own name or Chad Griffis' name.

TIA for anyone with info. The last I read was that Crystal and Chad lived in a mobile home in Marie's yard. According to KP, Crystal and Chad are raising his two (boy and girl) from his marriage to Hellen + Chloe (born April, 2008). That's 5 peeps + if Jr. joins them = 6. Where are they living other than Baker County?........................................... .........Bolded is mine......................ANYONE????



The mobile home could be the property. Under certain criteria it is possible to get a mortgage on a mobile home. "Borrowing a mortgage" -- not sure what that means but I'm not an attorney. It might also mean she has a loan and the "bank" holds the title. That's the way it was when I had a mobile home.

[panache]

Thanks for this new link.

Today while you attend church, I hope your hearts and prayers remember Haleigh and all those who love her.

BTW...............God bless all of you and may He keep you in His care!

jmo

Perhaps you will be pleased to know that Crystal and Marie will be attending this event today, and Marie is scheduled to speak, I believe.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/community_altamonte_blog/2009/05/national-vigil-for-hope.html

[panache]

I'd like to hear what Marie has to say and hope it's recorded.

This part of the article you linked is chilling;

"The facts are sobering," Nancy Ritter wrote in an article "Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains: The Nation's Silent Mass Disaster" for the National Institute of Justice. "On any given day, there are as many as 100,000 active missing persons cases in the United States. Every year, tens of thousands of people vanish under suspicious circumstances. Viewed over a 20-year period, the number of missing persons can be estimated in the hundreds of thousands."

ibid

Good morning Tif

This event is sponsered by KFN and was originally organized by Michelle Bart. Never the less, if it helps bring attention to the Haleigh's and Trenton's cases, I'm all for it.

Here's the Myspace page.

http://www.myspace.com/nationalvigilforhope

[fairlane]

i had to register and post a reply how can he be predator to crystal when he was either 15 or 16 himself. i have watched rumors start on her become facts several post later. people should think a bit before sticking ther foot in ther mouths hopefully this child is eventaully found hopefully alive and all party can live in peace

[CANDYKISSES]

Perhaps you will be pleased to know that Crystal and Marie will be attending this event today, and Marie is scheduled to speak, I believe.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/community_altamonte_blog/2009/05/national-vigil-for-hope.html

Oh dear, MICHELLE BART...:sad:....how sad. I look forward to a day when a voice of true credibility and strength is able to lend themselves to the missing in Florida. Haleigh and Caylee deserved so much better than Michelle Bart IMOO.

But, any help is better than no help in the grand scheme of things. It just seems like the bar is lowered daily for these people who are at the mercy of others willing to help them at this point in time.

God Bless HALEIGH, her family and all those with pure hearts who seek to find out what became of this beautiful child. Haleigh deserves so much better and I pray against all odds that she is found alive. :wub:

Bring HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME ALIVE TO HER FAMILY! :rose:

[panache]

Oh dear, MICHELLE BART...:sad:....how sad. I look forward to a day when a voice of true credibility and strength is able to lend themselves to the missing in Florida. Haleigh and Caylee deserved so much better than Michelle Bart IMOO.

But, any help is better than no help in the grand scheme of things. It just seems like the bar is lowered daily for these people who are at the mercy of others willing to help them at this point in time.

God Bless HALEIGH, her family and all those with pure hearts who seek to find out what became of this beautiful child. Haleigh deserves so much better and I pray against all odds that she is found alive. :wub:

Bring HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME ALIVE TO HER FAMILY! :rose:

Nice post Candy on this Sunday morning. Yes, both families are *at the mercy of others*. I suppose when you find yourself in their predicament you take what you can get, no matter if its KFN, or Geraldo. In the scheme of things, what does it matter where the help comes from.

moo

[HouseOfClark]

i had to register and post a reply how can he be predator to crystal when he was either 15 or 16 himself. i have watched rumors start on her become facts several post later. people should think a bit before sticking ther foot in ther mouths hopefully this child is eventaully found hopefully alive and all party can live in peace

IMO, what makes him predatory is that while he has gotten older, his choice of girlfriends hasn't. He chooses girls that are similar in age, looks, education, and with the same familial structure.

That is just my opinion, but it is based in fact.

And I agree that I hope Haleigh WILL be found and that ALL parties involved are and will be truthful about circumstances leading up to her disappearance and that whoever is responsible for her disappearance faces justice. No one should want less.

[?noanswer]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx
May 17, 2009 17 arrests (only 2 were drug related), 8 already bailed. One was http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=754143&IMG=58589 "LEWD LASCV BEHAVIOR MOLEST CHILD 12YOA UP TO 16YOA BY LESS 18YOA"
Booking Date & Time: 5/16/2009 9:47:57 PM
Release Date & Time: 5/16/2009 10:40:10 PM

Bail Amount $2,504.

JMO

[panache]

Reminder.

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[Peaches]

Last night, I said to my friend, “I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependent on some machine and fluids from a bottle. If that ever happens, just pull the plug.”
She got up, unplugged the Computer, and threw out my wine.
copied ......................... no answer's signature line.



I just want you to know that I LOVE this signature line. It make me LOL when I first read it. I have shared it with many...............also, it still makes me smile when I read it.

I know this is off topic but maybe it will be okay to say it here.

How I will duck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and those who want to throw - what does this have to do with Haleigh?

jmoo

[?noanswer]

Reminder.

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From the above link.

"major reporters in the case. TJ Hart of The Sky 97.3 Talk Radio out of Gainesville Florida, Emmy winning journalist Art Harris, William “Cobra” Staubs Bondsman and Private Investigator, Crime writer Denny Griffin and of course our own reporter on this case Ms. Pickles."

It is kinda sad that the major reporters in this case does not include any reporters from main stream media. JMO

[?noanswer]

Who's this guy? Is he somehow connected to Haleigh?

Not that I know of. It's just sad that child molestors are treated so casually. Should be locked behind bars and the keys thrown away. JMO

[?noanswer]

And Geraldo. 9pm Central


I just checked Geraldo and I did not see anyone connected with Haleigh on his agenda. Don't mean they won't be there, I just didn't see it. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

iF it is it seals his fate, I think he is a predator and abusive by all accounts, that's what we've heard from women who have been involved with him.
I've not heard of one ex that's come fwd that has had one decent thing to say about One RC.

He knows where Haleigh Is. He knows, and he knows she is "out there"
Where he left here imo

Ron is less then 2 years older then Crystal so he was barely 16 when they started living together so how would that seal his fate and make him a predator?

and i thought at the beginning of all this Crsytal said Ron was a great father....

[diamond]

Actually, it is unknown when they started living together. I seriously doubt that they moved in together when they were that young.

[panache]

Have any of you ever read Dr. Paul Ekman? He is a pioneer on facial expressions and lies. He's been an invited expert on many shows, including NG. If you can spare the time, read some of his work and compare what it says to the central figures of this case. Fascinating.

Dr. Paul Ekman

http://www.paulekman.com/

[FallenAngel♥]

Actually, it is unknown when they started living together. I seriously doubt that they moved in together when they were that young.

yeah i seriously doubt they moved in together when they were 14 and 16 BUT if they did i've lost all respect for Marie and Theresa.

[FallenAngel♥]

I agree. They were probably both staying with one of their parents, or gparents together.

well that's living together right?

[?noanswer]

yeah i seriously doubt they moved in together when they were 14 and 16 BUT if they did i've lost all respect for Marie and Theresa.


How old was Ron, when he brought home the starving dogs to CS's dad's house? Sounds like they might have been living there at the time. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

How old was Ron, when he brought home the starving dogs to CS's dad's house? Sounds like they might have been living there at the time. JMO

good question. I don't honestly remember. I'll have to go look and see if i can find it.

[FallenAngel♥]

What I meant was they probably weren't staying in their own place at that age.

I thought that was obvious.

yeah i doubt they had their own place at 14 and 16 but i find it disturbing the parents or grandparents would let them live together.

[bookie]

iF it is it seals his fate, I think he is a predator and abusive by all accounts, that's what we've heard from women who have been involved with him.
I've not heard of one ex that's come fwd that has had one decent thing to say about One RC.

He knows where Haleigh Is. He knows, and he knows she is "out there"
Where he left here imo


How does that seal his fate? He was 16 when she was 14.

Crystal had decent things to say about him before her mom made the abuse claims. Amber had decent things to say about him according to Art Harris.

[Peaches]

Perhaps you will be pleased to know that Crystal and Marie will be attending this event today, and Marie is scheduled to speak, I believe.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/community_altamonte_blog/2009/05/national-vigil-for-hope.html


Thanks for sharing this article with me. I know those who have missing loved ones will never be the same. jmo

Prayers for them!

[bookie]

Morning pan,

I've seen KFN mentioned in both this and the CA case in not very glowing terms. Don't know what they did or didn't do to get the reputation they apparently have but I agree that awareness and attention is what's important.



KFN's owner is either a registered SO or convicted felon, I don't recall which one. You can google Dennis Milstead or do a search on here.

[E-U-R]

Reminder.

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This is totally OT but my comp won't let me PM you right now it is slow and the page won't load....
a couple days ago you asked me about a flora tattoo....
you were right flora is misty's grandmother and here is her myspace... yup she has one too... i'm guessing this could be used as easy refrence of the fam
http://www.myspace.com/florahollars6aolcom

[Peaches]

Today is a slow day on this site. Maybe everyone is enjoying their families. I wish that those who love Haleigh had her in their arms right now. That would be a good thing.

jmo

[panache]

My thanks to a poster cece at SM who found this new video of Haleigh.

I don't know who finds the time to do these, but never the less, they are so welcome. Haleigh is so photogenic. She never takes a bad photo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCWAOnlsnSI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fscaredmonkeys%2Enet%2Findex%2Eph p%3Ftopic%3D4988%2E1300&feature=player_embedded

[FallenAngel♥]

I don't have a clue, nor do I care.

What difference does it make? :rolleyes:

To me IF they were living together at 14 and 16 speaks volumes to what kind of mothers they had.

[FallenAngel♥]

I don't think the Cummings clan will be too happy with this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6OK1QtiEUw

moo

why would they care about that cheesey video? i'm sure we can go on youtube and find some just like that about Crystal and her family.

[?noanswer]

If they moved in with someone else, together, do you think they had separate bedrooms?

If they did, I think there might have been a few late night visits, else how could there be 2 children!! JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

My thanks to a poster cece at SM who found this new video of Haleigh.

I don't know who finds the time to do these, but never the less, they are so welcome. Haleigh is so photogenic. She never takes a bad photo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCWAOnlsnSI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fscaredmonkeys%2Enet%2Findex%2Eph p%3Ftopic%3D4988%2E1300&feature=player_embedded

ty for sharing...made me tear up.


:rose:

[FallenAngel♥]

Where do you see anything about bedrooms?

Everytime you're around the level of conversation takes an immediate dive. I'll check back when there's something interesting to talk about.

MO

My question is .....why would they living under the same roof at such a young age?

[E-U-R]

here is a link about the people that bailed out naynay... read the part below the video and pay attention to the alleged convo over heard
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

[E-U-R]

OT but absolutely awful
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hkNyDpeAZfx9vskglAZhOrZAYakQD98782LO0

[FallenAngel♥]

I guess the point being made is trying to be sarcastic, but I don't see anything wrong if they were trying to dog Ron.
I wonder what the video would be like if that maker were those shoes.

IMO even if Haleigh is found alive and well Ron will be blamed for something.

[Santa'sMom]

The mobile home could be the property. Under certain criteria it is possible to get a mortgage on a mobile home. "Borrowing a mortgage" -- not sure what that means but I'm not an attorney. It might also mean she has a loan and the "bank" holds the title. That's the way it was when I had a mobile home.

It could also be a land contract (owner financing) deal. She may not have had it recorded yet (unsafe for her as she has little, if any, legal standing should the mortgage holder decide they want the place back if the mortgage hasn't been recorded). There is a lot of owner financing in the less economically advantaged areas.

Someone mentioned the auto accident the other day and wanted to know how she could get a settlement if she was at fault. Florida has no fault insurance. The driver of each vehicle is paid by their own individual insurance company, regardless of fault. As far as the unsafe equipment ticket, it could be for brakes that weren't operating as well as they should, tires that were worn too much, a brake light being out, any number of things. She's just lucky she wasn't killed. Hydroplaning happens a lot when we have wicked downpours. I've hydroplaned twice, not a pleasant experience. When the roads are just a little wet, they are even slicker as the water mixes with the oil on the road and makes it a roller coaster. Did her car have anti-lock brakes? They can be a trip too. jmo, of course

[HouseOfClark]

It could also be a land contract (owner financing) deal. She may not have had it recorded yet (unsafe for her as she has little, if any, legal standing should the mortgage holder decide they want the place back if the mortgage hasn't been recorded). There is a lot of owner financing in the less economically advantaged areas.

Someone mentioned the auto accident the other day and wanted to know how she could get a settlement if she was at fault. Florida has no fault insurance. The driver of each vehicle is paid by their own individual insurance company, regardless of fault. As far as the unsafe equipment ticket, it could be for brakes that weren't operating as well as they should, tires that were worn too much, a brake light being out, any number of things. She's just lucky she wasn't killed. Hydroplaning happens a lot when we have wicked downpours. I've hydroplaned twice, not a pleasant experience. When the roads are just a little wet, they are even slicker as the water mixes with the oil on the road and makes it a roller coaster. Did her car have anti-lock brakes? They can be a trip too. jmo, of course

I was the one who asked if Florida was a no fault state. Thank you for the information!

I have hydroplaned too, not fun at all! Similar to being on ice, you just have no control over your vehicle.

[panache]

It could also be a land contract (owner financing) deal. She may not have had it recorded yet (unsafe for her as she has little, if any, legal standing should the mortgage holder decide they want the place back if the mortgage hasn't been recorded). There is a lot of owner financing in the less economically advantaged areas.

Someone mentioned the auto accident the other day and wanted to know how she could get a settlement if she was at fault. Florida has no fault insurance. The driver of each vehicle is paid by their own individual insurance company, regardless of fault. As far as the unsafe equipment ticket, it could be for brakes that weren't operating as well as they should, tires that were worn too much, a brake light being out, any number of things. She's just lucky she wasn't killed. Hydroplaning happens a lot when we have wicked downpours. I've hydroplaned twice, not a pleasant experience. When the roads are just a little wet, they are even slicker as the water mixes with the oil on the road and makes it a roller coaster. Did her car have anti-lock brakes? They can be a trip too. jmo, of course

Thank you Santa's mom. That's what I was trying to tell everyone the other night. You have to experience the hydroplaning on Fla highways to know how dangerous they are. I'm not sure what they use for pavement, but when your auto goes into it, you cannot control the car. I, too, have had the misfortune of hydroplaning down there.

[titanfan217]

I don't think the Cummings clan will be too happy with this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6OK1QtiEUw

moo


ITA. About 2:37 the pic of RC looks like a good mug shot.

[FallenAngel♥]

For the same reason they care about anything on the internet and if you can show me a video about Crystal like that, I'd appreciate it. TIA!

moo

Viking i'm not really a youtube supporter. I think it does more harm then good. Sorry you can go over there and find your own video.

[HouseOfClark]

I don't think the Cummings clan will be too happy with this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6OK1QtiEUw

moo

Looks like the Cummings side provided the photos. There's a few on there that I've never seen before.

They'll suspect a turncoat in their midst. :wink:

[HouseOfClark]

I bet they will, lol. Not too flattering of a shot of Granny Sykes.:scared:

moo

Not at all.

[FallenAngel♥]

Did Crystal take Haleigh to the hospital or call 911 when this happen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLiwshayRo

[FallenAngel♥]

From your post it didn't sound that way. And I highly doubt that there is a video like that about Crystal, lol.

moo

My post sounded like i like YouTube? :w00t:

[panache]

Did Crystal take Haleigh to the hospital or call 911 when this happen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLiwshayRo

Didn't you just post your *not a fan of UTube*? Then your next post is a UTube video? :confused:

BTW, I think you already know the answer to that question.

moo

[FallenAngel♥]

Didn't you just post your *not a fan of UTube*? Then your next post is a UTube video? :confused:

BTW, I think you already know the answer to that question.

moo

viking sent me to go look for a video so that's what i'm doing lol

Do you know if 911 was called when Haleigh almost died?

[FallenAngel♥]

heck i never knew early on Crystal had a spokesperson till i was just looking at youtube. What ever happen to the spokesperson?

[FallenAngel♥]

what Crystal 17 or 18 when she had Haleigh?

[Mimi428]

To me IF they were living together at 14 and 16 speaks volumes to what kind of mothers they had.

Mothers? Only mothers?

I don't think it speaks well for either of their mothers, but each of them has a MALE parent as well - & it speaks just as badly about the fathers as it does the mothers, IMO.

[FallenAngel♥]

Mothers? Only mothers?

I don't think it speaks well for either of their mothers, but each of them has a MALE parent as well - & it speaks just as badly about the fathers as it does the mothers, IMO.

Very true Mimi....Very true.


i should have said what kind of PARENT would allow their 14 and 16 year old to live under the same roof.

[panache]

viking sent me to go look for a video so that's what i'm doing lol

Do you know if 911 was called when Haleigh almost died?

You posted this after Viking asked you to find a video.
*
Viking i'm not really a youtube supporter. I think it does more harm then good. Sorry you can go over there and find your own video.*

moo

[?noanswer]

heck i never knew early on Crystal had a spokesperson till i was just looking at youtube. What ever happen to the spokesperson?


Are you referring to that person named Wayanne Kruger. She volunteered early on, but as soon as KP came on board, she sent her packing. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

You posted this after Viking asked you to find a video.
*
Viking i'm not really a youtube supporter. I think it does more harm then good. Sorry you can go over there and find your own video.*

moo

Pan....i know what i said and then i watched the other video and i started looking around.

Don't make this thread about ME ....lets keep talking about Haleigh and her family ok.


Thanks

[FallenAngel♥]

Are you referring to that person named Wyan or something like that. She volunteered early on, but as soon as KP came on board, she sent her packing. JMO

Yeah i think that's her name. She helped Crystal find KP.

[Mimi428]

Very true Mimi....Very true.


i should have said what kind of PARENT would allow their 14 and 16 year old to live under the same roof.

Well, if you & I ruled the world, I don't think it would happen. But...nobody died & made either of us queen, so...

I wish I could say I thought the whole thing just had to be an anomaly, not common, pretty well unheard of. But I know way too well how common it is. One generation after the next - no goals, no aspirations (that anyone would be proud of), little to no education & a life full of fussin' & cussin', drinking & drugging.

And in 10 short years, Haleigh (should she return) will be looking pretty much like Misty does now, or like Crystal did at age 15. It is a sad, depressing picture, all the way around.

JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Ok let me ask this AGAIN......


Did Crystal take Haleigh to the hospital or call 911 when this happen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLiwshayRo

[?noanswer]

Ok let me ask this AGAIN......


Did Crystal take Haleigh to the hospital or call 911 when this happen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLiwshayRo

From things I have read at other times when this was mentioned, no she didn't take her to hospital or call 911. JMO

[Peaches]

To me IF they were living together at 14 and 16 speaks volumes to what kind of mothers they had.

IF............they allowed these kids to live together in their (the parent's) house.............ITA!

[FallenAngel♥]

From things I have read at other times when this was mentioned, no she didn't take her to hospital or call 911. JMO

That speaks volumes to me.

Either it never happen and she's lying or she felt like it was her fault.

[FallenAngel♥]

It speaks volumes to me that Crystals supporters don't want to talk about Haleigh falling into the canal and her mother did not call 911 or take her to the ER after she was floating face down and not breathing.

[panache]

From things I have read at other times when this was mentioned, no she didn't take her to hospital or call 911. JMO

Most likely not, up until Haleigh disappeared, Crystal protected Ron. She had a good teacher in Teresa another enabler. Had any of these women put the brakes on Ron years ago, Haleigh would be in her home watching her favorite videos.

moo

[FallenAngel♥]

I wanted to remind everyone about

The latest developments in the case are discussed by our panel of experts. Guests this week include ace reporter TJ Hart, Emmy winning journalist Art Harris, and private investigator Cobra Staubs.


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett

I'm not a Cobra fan but i can't wait to see what he has to say in about 15 minutes.

[KaraokeDiva]

Thanks for sharing this article with me. I know those who have missing loved ones will never be the same. jmo

Prayers for them!
Everyone with missing loved ones should register at http://namus.gov/

Every year unidentified bodies are buried as John/Jane Does. This database is for use by LE and private citizens. It allows those who have missing loved ones to search through descriptions of unidentified decedants in the hope of matching up the missing with the dead.

I know nobody hopes their loved one is dead, but recovering their remains is better than never knowing.

Sorry for being kinda off topic but it's related.

[FallenAngel♥]

Most likely not, up until Haleigh disappeared, Crystal protected Ron. She had a good teacher in Teresa another enabler. Had any of these women put the brakes on Ron years ago, Haleigh would be in her home watching her favorite videos.

moo

Her daughter was found face down not breathing in the canal and Crystal didn't even call 911 or take her to the ER. and you think that's to protect Ron? what if Haleigh would have died a couple hours later of dry drowning?

[?noanswer]

Everyone with missing loved ones should register at http://namus.gov/

Every year unidentified bodies are buried as John/Jane Does. This database is for use by LE and private citizens. It allows those who have missing loved ones to search through descriptions of unidentified decedants in the hope of matching up the missing with the dead.

I know nobody hopes their loved one is dead, but recovering their remains is better than never knowing.

Sorry for being kinda off topic but it's related.

I just checked and Haleigh's name did not come up when I searched. I didn't register so I don't know if that is the reason. JMO

[Mimi428]

It speaks volumes to me that Crystals supporters don't want to talk about Haleigh falling into the canal and her mother did not call 911 or take her to the ER after she was floating face down and not breathing.

Hey, if you can connect any dots between that incident & Haleigh's disappearance, go for it.

I don't think there are any connections between the first thing & Haleigh disappearing, so it really doesn't interest me a whole heck of a lot.

SSDD, if you can put Crystal (or someone associated with her) within 2 miles of Haleigh around the time she disappeared, then I'll be a whole lot more curious to see what connections could be made from her past behavior up to & including the moment the Haleigh was 'stole' from her father's bed (according to Ron, it was HIS bed she was 'stole' from, not her own little bed)

JMO

[?noanswer]

Her daughter was found face down not breathing in the canal and Crystal didn't even call 911 or take her to the ER. and you think that's to protect Ron? what if Haleigh would have died a couple hours later of dry drowning?


According to this site, 911 should always be called. JMO

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/drowning/page4_em.htmWhen to Seek Medical Care
All drowning victims require an emergency 911 call.
Even though the majority of drowning victims are revived with first aid, all these victims require activation of the emergency medical services and evaluation by a healthcare provider. Complications may be delayed in presentation and may first be noticed hours after the drowning episode.

[FallenAngel♥]

Yes Pan and if I recall correctly, Ronald was there as well. Why didn't HE call 911 or take Haleigh to the ER as well? Imo, neither one of them were in the right on that one.

moo

ITA IF it happen Ron should have called 911 or took Haleigh to the ER.

IMO neither of them are good parents.

[Mimi428]

what if Haleigh would have died a couple hours later of dry drowning?


<snipped>

Uhhhhhhh, we wouldn't be here today talking about her, would be my guess.

[FallenAngel♥]

Hey, if you can connect any dots between that incident & Haleigh's disappearance, go for it.

I don't think there are any connections between the first thing & Haleigh disappearing, so it really doesn't interest me a whole heck of a lot.

SSDD, if you can put Crystal (or someone associated with her) within 2 miles of Haleigh around the time she disappeared, then I'll be a whole lot more curious to see what connections could be made from her past behavior up to & including the moment the Haleigh was 'stole' from her father's bed (according to Ron, it was HIS bed she was 'stole' from, not her own little bed)

JMO

First off i'm not trying to connect Haleigh almost drowning to her being kidnapped. I had just never heard about it and when i saw the video i started asking if Crystal called 911 or took her the ER. IF that was your child would you have taken her to the ER or called 911?

and i have NO idea where Crystal was that night..........Do you?

[FallenAngel♥]

<snipped>

Uhhhhhhh, we wouldn't be here today talking about her, would be my guess.

Has Ron talked about Haleigh almost dying? Sorry this is just the first i'm hearing this story. Thanks

[KaraokeDiva]

I just checked and Haleigh's name did not come up when I searched. I didn't register so I don't know if that is the reason. JMO
I'm pretty sure somebody has to register the missing person in the database...it doesn't just magically appear there when someone is missing.

The database only recently went online and was largely the result of the mother of Carrie Culberson's hard work...but it is an offical government site.

[FallenAngel♥]

TJH and Cobra


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/05/17/Haleigh-Cummings


Live

[FallenAngel♥]

TJH's talking about where Ronald was before he went to work.

TJH said he went to other town talking to a man that he had cut some trees for and Ronald wanted his money.


Cobra won't comment on it but he said in the next couple of days it will all come to light........:rolleyes:

[FallenAngel♥]

cobra says Johnny's out doing a search today....

[FallenAngel♥]

wow Cobra has a nasty mouth :scared:

Cobra said Johnny and his wife raised Haleigh and Ronald stole Haleigh from them.

[FallenAngel♥]

Oh Art Harris is talking also.

All of them think Johnny's a great guy and American Hero...have none of these guys seen Johnny's rap sheet?

[FallenAngel♥]

They all agree that Misty holds the key to finding Haleigh.

[?noanswer]

Whatever happened or didn't happen, I thought I heard her say it was Rons fault, that he wasn't watching Haleigh. Anyone else remember that?


I do. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Whatever happened or didn't happen, I thought I heard her say it was Rons fault, that he wasn't watching Haleigh. Anyone else remember that?

yeah that's what i heard on the video. she had told Ronald to put Haleigh in the car while she put jr in and then she looked up and Haleigh wasn't in the car so she went running to the canal. I'm just shocked 911 wasn't called.

[FallenAngel♥]

KP has lawyered up Cobra just said :ohmy:

[?noanswer]

KP has lawyered up Cobra just said :ohmy:

I think we need hip boots. Its getting deeper & deeper. I don't know if I believe very much of what any of them saying. JMO

[JackiBlu]

KP has lawyered up Cobra just said :ohmy:



Did I just hear that KP wants Cobra OFF the case??? Wow!!!!!


JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Did I just hear that KP wants Cobra OFF the case??? Wow!!!!!


JMO

YES that's what Cobra said..........

[FallenAngel♥]

I think we need hip boots. Its getting deeper & deeper. I don't know if I believe very much of what any of them saying. JMO

Oh ITA... i was shocked KP has lawyered up and i'm double shocked KP wants Cobra off the case.

[FallenAngel♥]

Cobra has raised a total of 2000 so far. I don't agree with much of what he says but i think i'll send him some money.

[?noanswer]

Oh ITA... i was shocked KP has lawyered up and i'm double shocked KP wants Cobra off the case.


He never did say why she lawyered up. But when I heard her on that video laughing about how she was befriending the drug guy to get info, my jaw fell open. She should have better sense than that. If she wanted to do it, she should not go on video and tell about it.

Now Cobra is begging for money again. Says he has gotten 2,000 so far. If he get too much, he will give it to something good. The other day he said he was in the hole 35,000 so if he has only 2,000 to date, don't think he will be giving anything away. Said he knows his money is being spent on searching for Haliegh, but can't say that for anyone else. Says JS is searching, but he has not been given any donations. Is that a dig on KP and CS? JMO

[JackiBlu]

Cobra has raised a total of 2000 so far. I don't agree with much of what he says but i think i'll send him some money.

I want to know WHY KP is trying to run Cobra out of town; as he just put it.

[?noanswer]

I want to know WHY KP is trying to run Cobra out of town; as he just put it.

If they are not trying to run him out of town, they are trying to kill him. DRAMA, DRAMA, DRAMA, DRAMA,!!!!

[?noanswer]

Cobra has raised a total of 2000 so far. I don't agree with much of what he says but i think i'll send him some money.


Not me. I don't trust him. JMO

[JackiBlu]

Not me. I don't trust him. JMO


Sounds like KP doesn't trust him if she wants him off the case. I wonder what happened between those two. Not long ago she was singing his praises.

JMO

[KaraokeDiva]

Too many initials for my pea brain...

KP is ?????

[JackiBlu]

Too many initials for my pea brain...

KP is ?????

Kim Picazio, Crystal's attorney.

[panache]

Too many initials for my pea brain...

KP is ?????

Here ya go Karaoke!

Crystal's atty. The are supposed to appear on Geraldo tonight.

http://picaziolaw.com/firmprofile.jsp

[KaraokeDiva]

Crystal's attorneyThat's who I thought it was....so an atty has lawyered up? Isn't she the one who is funding the operation of the Haleighbug center?

[KaraokeDiva]

Here ya go Karaoke!

Crystal's atty. The are supposed to appear on Geraldo tonight.

http://picaziolaw.com/firmprofile.jsp

Thanks to all who replied. :)

I won't watch Geraldo as a matter of principle.

Besides, the Survivor finale is tonight. :cool:

[Murtle]

Did anyone understand what Art was spilling about people watching near Crecent City or somewhere other than Satsuma, and Cobra trying to get him to keep quiet?

[panache]

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Cobra kept saying a *breathing machine* was missing at Ron's, but one was found at Crystal's.

Do you suppose he meant a nebulizer? I just googled breathing machines and they are quite large.

[FallenAngel♥]

Now now FA....
You tend to forget Ron is responsible for EVERYTHING that is wrong in Satsuma.
...and has been since shortly after his birth...

If he happens to be busy or out of town, it's Teresa's fault because she taught everyone else to protect Ron.... Seems at any cost.

Even her grandaughter according to some...

Don't ya' know?

ohhhhhhhh yes Kathy i know what you mean...My bad :wink:

[panache]

Did anyone understand what Art was spilling about people watching near Crecent City or somewhere other than Satsuma, and Cobra trying to get him to keep quiet?

I heard that too Murtle. Sounds like there is something brewing about Crescent City and Cobra didn't want Art to spill the beans.

It was interesting to hear of a possible argument Ron had with two men over money owed, according to Cobra.

moo

[diamond]

Interesting. They said Ron was at the store at 2:30AM, got home at 3AM and waited 27 minutes before calling 911

[FallenAngel♥]

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Cobra kept saying a *breathing machine* was missing at Ron's, but one was found at Crystal's.

Do you suppose he meant a nebulizer? I just googled breathing machines and they are quite large.

oh i must have missed him saying the one at Rons was missing. I just heard him say that he knew that one at Crystals was accounted for.


breathing treatment machines aren't really that big. smaller then a shoe box and has a mask. I have asthma and i have to use one of those every now and then.

What did you think about Cobra saying KP wants him off the case and she's lawyered up?

[FallenAngel♥]

Interesting. They said Ron was at the store at 2:30AM, got home at 3AM and waited 27 minutes before calling 911

Yeah 27 minutes sounds like a long time BUT i'm sure when Ron first got home he went looking around every where. TJH said that neighbors heard him screaming Haleighs name and screaming at Misty.

[FallenAngel♥]

I heard that too Murtle. Sounds like there is something brewing about Crescent City and Cobra didn't want Art to spill the beans.

It was interesting to hear of a possible argument Ron had with two men over money owed, according to Cobra.

moo

Do you by any chance know how far the Crescent City is from Satsuma? and there was something about Ron and tree's did you hear that part?

I tell ya they left me with more questions then answers.

[panache]

oh i must have missed him saying the one at Rons was missing. I just heard him say that he knew that one at Crystals was accounted for.


breathing treatment machines aren't really that big. smaller then a shoe box and has a mask. I have asthma and i have to use one of those every now and then.

What did you think about Cobra saying KP wants him off the case and she's lawyered up?

Realy? This is what came up when I googled.

http://medgadget.com/archives/2007/02/domestic_breath.html

[panache]

Interesting. They said Ron was at the store at 2:30AM, got home at 3AM and waited 27 minutes before calling 911

Yup, another rumor we heard five days after Haleigh went missing is now turning out to have some truth. Ron was seen at a convenience store around 2:30am and its a five min. drive to his home. According to A&C he was standing at the porch at 3am.

moo

[bookie]

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Cobra kept saying a *breathing machine* was missing at Ron's, but one was found at Crystal's.

Do you suppose he meant a nebulizer? I just googled breathing machines and they are quite large.


A lot of people don't know what a nebulizer is and call them breathing machines. Several family members have asthma and use nebulizers and I'm always asked if we have a breathing machine.

There was 1 picture of Haleigh getting a breathing treatment so it's possible they had a nebulizer at home for her.

[Murtle]

I heard that too Murtle. Sounds like there is something brewing about Crescent City and Cobra didn't want Art to spill the beans.

It was interesting to hear of a possible argument Ron had with two men over money owed, according to Cobra.

moo


Thanks Panache. No one is mentioning this. One rumor was he ripped some dealers off there a while back. Maybe that's what it is all about.

[FallenAngel♥]

Realy? This is what came up when I googled.

http://medgadget.com/archives/2007/02/domestic_breath.html

yeah it's not big at all. http://www.cchs.net/health/health-info/docs/0300/0352.asp?index=4297


here's a picture of the machine and meds

http://www.flickr.com/photos/islandphotobug/3224554334/

[bookie]

Thanks diamond, I can't listen to it until later, appreciate the updates. If he was home for 27 minutes and didn't call 911, then that opens up a big can of worms. Every interview he has given he has stated when he got home he told Misty to call the cops right away while he looked for Haleigh.

*Lies, lies, lies yeah, they're gonna get him* and hopefully, they will find sweet Haleigh.

Also, when this all breaks and Ron and Misty finally tell the truth, is it a possibility that TN and AS will be charged for obstruction of justice?

moo


In one interview he talked about tearing up the house looking for Haleigh then calling 911. But what he told the police is what's important and they have gone on record saying they are satisfied with his account of the 8 hours in question.

Many found fault with him, claiming he didn't look for her before calling 911 like they would have and now that someone is saying he did you still find fault. Go figure.

[titanfan217]

Kim Picazio, Crystal's attorney.

Why would she lawyer up?

[diamond]

IIRC, yes.
K.P. also is representing Crystal in the alleged abuse case against Ron.

IMO, she's well worth what she's being paid....

That is a low blow. What do you base that on?

[Pat]

If the nebulizer is what Teresa was referring to being missing, then someone who knew Haleigh took her. And planned to keep her alive, or they wouldn't have bothered with the nebulizer.

LE has always speculated a member of the family took Haleigh, and I wonder if this is why...a family member would know she needed it, where as a random abductor wouldn't.

[FallenAngel♥]

Thanks diamond, I can't listen to it until later, appreciate the updates. If he was home for 27 minutes and didn't call 911, then that opens up a big can of worms. Every interview he has given he has stated when he got home he told Misty to call the cops right away while he looked for Haleigh.

*Lies, lies, lies yeah, they're gonna get him* and hopefully, they will find sweet Haleigh.

Also, when this all breaks and Ron and Misty finally tell the truth, is it a possibility that TN and AS will be charged for obstruction of justice?

moo

well IMO if the Anthony's weren't charged with obstruction i seriously doubt TN and AS will be.

[JackiBlu]

Why would she lawyer up?



I have no idea. That is what Cobra said.

[panache]

yeah it's not big at all. http://www.cchs.net/health/health-info/docs/0300/0352.asp?index=4297


here's a picture of the machine and meds

http://www.flickr.com/photos/islandphotobug/3224554334/

That first link shows what I saw Haleigh using when she was a toddler.

Take a look at haleigh's bureau. To the left of the Santa hat, is that some type of machine?

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/haleighcummings/0468-InsideTrailer.jpg

[FallenAngel♥]

That is a low blow. What do you base that on?

well IMO KP's legal work hasn't been worth a dime. I think she's given Crystal bad advice all around.

and i have to wonder why KP wants Cobra off the case. and i wonder why she lawyered up.


I also found it interesting Cobra says he does not work for KP or Crystal and when he see things that should be reported to the police he reports them no matter who they are.

I wonder if Cobra reported something about KP or Crystal to the police.

[titanfan217]

I have no idea. That is what Cobra said.


I was multi-tasking during the show. Could it have been Nay-Nay (CP)?

I'm not arguing -- just asking.

[?noanswer]

Did anyone understand what Art was spilling about people watching near Crecent City or somewhere other than Satsuma, and Cobra trying to get him to keep quiet?

It was something about Ron was in Crescent City trying to collect some money a person owed him. They rambled so much it was hard to decipher what they were trying to say. Seems each one doesn't want the other to tell something first. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

That first link shows what I saw Haleigh using when she was a toddler.

Take a look at haleigh's bureau. To the left of the Santa hat, is that some type of machine?

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/haleighcummings/0468-InsideTrailer.jpg

yes that's a breathing treatment machine. It's small and can travel anywhere with you. I have one kind of like it but it's blue and grey.

[panache]

IIRC, yes.
K.P. also is representing Crystal in the alleged abuse case against Ron.

IMO, she's well worth what she's being paid....

Kim is pro bono.

moo

[?noanswer]

Yup, another rumor we heard five days after Haleigh went missing is now turning out to have some truth. Ron was seen at a convenience store around 2:30am and its a five min. drive to his home. According to A&C he was standing at the porch at 3am.

moo

We don't know if is truth or not. When it comes from LE, I'll believe it. JMO

[diamond]

well IMO KP's legal work hasn't been worth a dime. I think she's given Crystal bad advice all around.

and i have to wonder why KP wants Cobra off the case. and i wonder why she lawyered up.


I also found it interesting Cobra says he does not work for KP or Crystal and when he see things that should be reported to the police he reports them no matter who they are.

I wonder if Cobra reported something about KP or Crystal to the police.

Cobra would tell it on blog radio if he had something to report on KP or Crystal.

Did you hear him say the focus is on Ron and Misty.

What I wonder about that statement is if KP wants him out of town because people in the town don't want him there and maybe KP thinks they will get more information if Cobra leaves town.

[panache]

yes that's a breathing treatment machine. It's small and can travel anywhere with you. I have one kind of like it but it's blue and grey.

Then what Teresa said is missing is not a nebulizer or breathing machine. Haleigh's is sitting there right on her dresser.

[Pat]

Thanks Panache. No one is mentioning this. One rumor was he ripped some dealers off there a while back. Maybe that's what it is all about.

Art Harris, Cobra and Kim Picazio have been making pronouncements reference rumors since they first arrived in Satusuma. TJ Hart has also been making claims about 'something was breaking and we'd soon be hearing...".

Absolutely nothing has come from any of it. The only "facts" we have are the public records showing everyone named in this has a criminal record, Picazio has a lot of legal troubles. Crystal's custody hearings are public record as well. Those are the only known facts. Everything else is rumor.

[FallenAngel♥]

Why would she lawyer up?

Good question. Cobra said KP's lawyered up and she wants to run him out of town........


Strange huh?


IMO the more they tell us the more questions i have lol

[?noanswer]

well IMO KP's legal work hasn't been worth a dime. I think she's given Crystal bad advice all around.

and i have to wonder why KP wants Cobra off the case. and i wonder why she lawyered up.


I also found it interesting Cobra says he does not work for KP or Crystal and when he see things that should be reported to the police he reports them no matter who they are.

I wonder if Cobra reported something about KP or Crystal to the police.

If she is pro bono, then CS hasn't paid a dime; therefore she is worth what she is paid. JMO

[diamond]

Kim is pro bono.

moo

Kathy is insinuating that KP is paid nothing so she is worth nothing. IF KP were representing Ron, Kathy would think she is the best ever.

[JackiBlu]

That first link shows what I saw Haleigh using when she was a toddler.

Take a look at haleigh's bureau. To the left of the Santa hat, is that some type of machine?

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/haleighcummings/0468-InsideTrailer.jpg

No that looks like an air cleaner or humdifier to me. I saw one in one of Haleigh's pictures and I'm trying to find it. It had a small clear mask she put over her mouth and nose.

JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Then what Teresa said is missing is not a nebulizer or breathing machine. Haleigh's is sitting there right on her dresser.

ohhhhh no i'm not saying the one haleigh uses is missing. that could be an old one.

i also wonder did Haleigh use a humidifier..........

[?noanswer]

I was multi-tasking during the show. Could it have been Nay-Nay (CP)?

I'm not arguing -- just asking.


He said Kim Picasio, whether he meant to say N N instead of KP, I don't know. JMO

[?noanswer]

Thanks for the updates Fallen Angel and everyone.

I am so upset, that show goes so slow that I get BORED, but I went to lower my screen so I could do other things while listening and I accidently clicked off. I am so angry at myself...I drive myself nuts sometimes...LOL

I hope you guys will finish helping me out, I must have been behind - what do they mean KP has lawyered up? Do you mean Crystal's Attorney has lawyered up and if so...why? I do not understand that!

Cobra said she lawyered up, but didn't say why. They have to keep everything "close to the vest", doncha know. I give it a few more days and there will be a big blow up between that whole bunch. JMO

[panache]

Why would she lawyer up?

I don't blame Kim if she has. Look at the characters she has been meeting . W are not talking low ranking addicts, Jerome, for example. Not to mention the landlord Bass, and Charles Ingram whose wife is running Chuck's Bail Bonds. On Art's site, he has said Ingram has a friendship with someone on the Putnam County Sheriff's dept. Kim is being very wise.

moo

[panache]

No that looks like an air cleaner or humdifier to me. I saw one in one of Haleigh's pictures and I'm trying to find it. It had a small clear mask she put over her mouth and nose.

JMO

Yes, I saw those photos. Ron was on the floor with Haleigh helping her use it. You don't have to search, I remember it well.

[?noanswer]

I don't blame Kim if she has. Look at the characters she has been meeting . W are not talking low ranking addicts, Jerome, for example. Not to mention the landlord Bass, and Charles Ingram whose wife is running Chuck's Bail Bonds. On Art's site, he has said Ingram has a friendship with someone on the Putnam County Sheriff's dept. Kim is being very wise.

moo


If she is being wise, it is about time. Going to the hood in a hummer in her high heel shoes and fancy suit and meeting with Jerome and then going on a video laughing about gaining their confidence was a pretty dumb thing to do. She's lucky he didn't put something in that drink he gave her. JMO

[diamond]

One caller was questioning TN's behavior and said that she feels that TN has to protect Misty in order to protect her son.

A lot of people see that.

[FallenAngel♥]

No that looks like an air cleaner or humdifier to me. I saw one in one of Haleigh's pictures and I'm trying to find it. It had a small clear mask she put over her mouth and nose.

JMO

yeah i blew the pic up and the more i look at it the more i think it's a humidifier.

[FallenAngel♥]

One caller was questioning TN's behavior and said that she feels that TN has to protect Misty in order to protect her son.

A lot of people see that.

Yep i heard that and i agree. Not sure why TN wants to protect Haleigh. Some how i think Misty has something over their heads.

[Pat]

Then what Teresa said is missing is not a nebulizer or breathing machine. Haleigh's is sitting there right on her dresser.

Do we know for a fact she only had one? My grandson has asthma and they have two. One that is always kept in the house and one they take with them. I'm thinking of one that would have been available to take to Crystal's, and one for at home, in case her nebulizer was forgotten at Crystal's.

[JackiBlu]

Yes, I saw those photos. Ron was on the floor with Haleigh helping her use it. You don't have to search, I remember it well.


Glad you remembered those too. It looked a lot smaller than what was on her dresser. Still think it could have been a humdifier on her dresser.

JMO

[panache]

Thanks Panache. No one is mentioning this. One rumor was he ripped some dealers off there a while back. Maybe that's what it is all about.

It could very well be. Somehow drugs are going to fit into this story, one way or another. If Ron's was associating with drug dealers its not going to bode well for him in the custody case.

Did Cobra say this happened in Crescent City? Maybe that's why Cobra shushed Art up when he started to speak about C. City.

moo

[FallenAngel♥]

Oh, wow...it sounds like I am missing a good intervies. This is the second time I have accidently clicked out of the interview. I do not know how to start it where I left off and it is so slow, I don't know if I could bare to start over.

What you said above could be HUGE ( the breathing machine).

I appreciate everyone keep us updated on this interview.

yeah what kind of kidnapper would take a childs breathing treatment machine? Something smells fishy...... I'm really starting to think Misty gave her to someone.

but i could be wrong......Lord knows it wouldn't be the first time.

[diamond]

LOL

Simon said Ron's rap sheet makes Ron look like he is coated in teflon!

He said it makes no sense.

[FallenAngel♥]

It could very well be. Somehow drugs are going to fit into this story, one way or another. If Ron's was associating with drug dealers its not going to bode well for him in the custody case.

Did Cobra say this happened in Crescent City? Maybe that's why Cobra shushed Art up when he started to speak about C. City.

moo

in Crescent city it was about the tree's Ron cut down and wanted his money and Cobra shut him up about it.


when they said tree's did they mean TREE's are mariguina plants?

[Pat]

Cobra said she lawyered up, but didn't say why. They have to keep everything "close to the vest", doncha know. I give it a few more days and there will be a big blow up between that whole bunch. JMO

It appears the big blow up has already started.

Nothing from DFS yet?

[panache]

.....Yep.....

So is Ron's.

[FallenAngel♥]

So is Ron's.

Yep and he's getting what he's paying for IMO

[titanfan217]

He said Kim Picasio, whether he meant to say N N instead of KP, I don't know. JMO


In addition to having that site open, I had a baseball site which pops on with some audio advertisement... the game was on TV and I was working on a scrapbook project.

It just seems strange that KP would need to get an attorney. I know attorneys do need them occasionally but haven't heard anything that would indicate she would, especially with going on Geraldo.

[JackiBlu]

in Crescent city it was about the tree's Ron cut down and wanted his money and Cobra shut him up about it.


when they said tree's did they mean TREE's are mariguina plants?

I thought Cobra shut Art up about LE had undercover in Crescent City. Not about Ron.

JMO

[diamond]

I thought Cobra shut Art up about says LE had undercover in Crescent City. Not about Ron.

JMO

He did. Apparently, Cobra did not want Art to give out that information yet.

[titanfan217]

If she is being wise, it is about time. Going to the hood in a hummer in her high heel shoes and fancy suit and meeting with Jerome and then going on a video laughing about gaining their confidence was a pretty dumb thing to do. She's lucky he didn't put something in that drink he gave her. JMO

Sounds like she needs a body guard first.

[panache]

Oh, wow...it sounds like I am missing a good intervies. This is the second time I have accidently clicked out of the interview. I do not know how to start it where I left off and it is so slow, I don't know if I could bare to start over.

What you said above could be HUGE ( the breathing machine).

I appreciate everyone keep us updated on this interview.

There should be a transcript posted soon, if not already. Simon does do transcripts. Check it out.

[FallenAngel♥]

I did catch that part and it shocked me. If I understood right, they have Ron on camera at the store also, so that is FACT! Camera's don't lie!

Ok i'm confused. why are you shocked? Didn't we all know he stopped and got some "smokes" and then went home?

[panache]

I think it is a air purifier also. All nebulizers I have ever seen are like a Small square white box like type. I have seen one or two.

http://search.aol.com/aol/search?query=nebulizer&invocationType=tb50TB50CL-chromesbox-en-us

[JackiBlu]

I think this fighting between this bunch of greedy idiots is all about money. I think KP and Mr. Bounty hunter is all about money. Books, publicity,TV shows, darn how big where these two dreaming of what they would make of of a missing child.
Ron will be looking, by the time the fighting between each other, like the pope. LMBO... It's called Karma guy's, Karma

I'm wondering if the fighting between Cobra and KP started when Cobra said Crystal "doesn't have clean hands in this". Now all of a sudden she wants him off the case and out of town.

JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

I thought Cobra shut Art up about LE had undercover in Crescent City. Not about Ron.

JMO

Maybe i'm wrong....I was cleaning my living room and listening at the same time. See what i get for cleaning house lol


I'll have to listen to it again and i'm sure transcripts will be up soon.

[panache]

I think this fighting between this bunch of greedy idiots is all about money. I think KP and Mr. Bounty hunter is all about money. Books, publicity,TV shows, darn how big where these two dreaming of what they would make of of a missing child.
Ron will be looking, by the time the fighting between each other, like the pope. LMBO... It's called Karma guy's, Karma

Wishful thinking if you believe Ron will ever come out of this *looking like the pope*.

moo

[FallenAngel♥]

Could this machine have been what TN had said at one time - that something was missing that should have been with Haleigh? Maybe after she said it LE told her not to say anymore about it.

Great questions. i have no clue.....but IMO every adult in this case has a problem with just telling the TRUTH.

[FallenAngel♥]

I don't blame Kim if she has. Look at the characters she has been meeting . W are not talking low ranking addicts, Jerome, for example. Not to mention the landlord Bass, and Charles Ingram whose wife is running Chuck's Bail Bonds. On Art's site, he has said Ingram has a friendship with someone on the Putnam County Sheriff's dept. Kim is being very wise.

moo

IMO KP should have never become "friendly" with drug dealers. and why does she want Cobra out of town?

[?noanswer]

I'm wondering if the fighting between Cobra and KP started when Cobra said Crystal "doesn't have clean hands in this". Now all of a sudden she wants him off the case and out of town.

JMO


Whenever a group of more than one person with egos as big as these people have, a blowup is inevitable. Even today, TJH was not saying much. As I said in a post upthread, these best buds aren't going to be best buds much longer. JMO

[diamond]

Wishful thinking if you believe Ron will ever come out of this *looking like the pope*.

moo

That is wishful thinking. Never going to happen.

Ron in handcuffs will not resemble the pope.

[Texas48]

I don't think the Cummings clan will be too happy with this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6OK1QtiEUw

mooplaying catch up today..I watched the entire video and ITA with you 51....I would believe they would be rather shattered IF they did see it.....to even add an unflattering photo of GGM sitting in her chair in a pair of shorts.....................I think that was going way too far IMO......I'm glad so many got their Sunday entertainment........whatever..kwim?..

[Murtle]

It could very well be. Somehow drugs are going to fit into this story, one way or another. If Ron's was associating with drug dealers its not going to bode well for him in the custody case.

Did Cobra say this happened in Crescent City? Maybe that's why Cobra shushed Art up when he started to speak about C. City.

moo

I thought Art was talking about Crecent City and that's why Cobra was trying to hush him. Do they repost the talk anywhere to listen again?

[panache]

Can we say, libel and slander??? Oh my Gosh this is funny. Remember what I said about Ron's attorney's motto,SUE the ba***tards.

An atty. cannot be sued for libel or slander if he is only repeating what a client told him. I learned this during the Peterson case.I doubt that's Kim's main concern right now.

moo

[panache]

I thought Art was talking about Crecent City and that's why Cobra was trying to hush him. Do they repost the talk anywhere to listen again?

Yes, on the site there should be a transcript posted soon.

[JackiBlu]

IMO KP should have never become "friendly" with drug dealers. and why does she want Cobra out of town?

It doesn't matter what kind of people she met with or were friendly with. Why would she need a lawyer for that???

JMO

[?noanswer]

Yes, on the site there should be a transcript posted soon.

They also replay the broadcast. JMO

[Texas48]

To me IF they were living together at 14 and 16 speaks volumes to what kind of mothers they had.you are so right FA.....where were these mothers? and some can't understand why many teens/young men and women turn out the way they do.....................

[?noanswer]

It doesn't matter what kind of people she met with or were friendly with. Why would she need a lawyer for that???

JMO

I just thought of something. I think I heard/read KP has an attorney working on the non-profit end of the Haleighbug Foundation. If that is the reason she has an attorney, no wonder Cobra wouldn't explain. A simple explanation like that would have no shock value. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

It doesn't matter what kind of people she met with or were friendly with. Why would she need a lawyer for that???

JMO

Great question......I have no clue.

I loved how Cobra said the words lawyered up . Sounds like the way we talk around here lol

I wonder if KP will bring it up tonight on Geraldo.

[Texas48]

why would they care about that cheesey video? i'm sure we can go on youtube and find some just like that about Crystal and her family.
and I'm sure something will surface soon FA.....just give it time...sad.

[Texas48]

Where do you see anything about bedrooms?

Everytime you're around the level of conversation takes an immediate dive. I'll check back when there's something interesting to talk about.

MOattacking the post OR...the poster Tiff?

[FallenAngel♥]

Maybe he's getting too close to something she wants kept underwraps... :shrug:

well he clearly said that he does not work for Crystal or Kim and if he sees something the LE should see then he goes straight to the LE and lets them know about it.

now i wonder what all he's seen.

[bama__angel]

Whenever a group of more than one person with egos as big as these people have, a blowup is inevitable. Even today, TJH was not saying much. As I said in a post upthread, these best buds aren't going to be best buds much longer. JMO


Bottom feeders can never be "best buds" with other bottom feeders for long.......IMO

[?noanswer]

Thank you for helping me out.

I do appreciate everyone that is looking for Haleigh, but I have to say reading so far - that Cobra is asking for money again - that is just a turn off for me. sorry - a little off topic on this post.

Thanks everyone for helping me with this interview.

He was also talking about Dawg's TV show. Cobra wants one so bad he can taste it. All that x-rated talking on the show contributed nothing to finding Haleigh, just him trying to make people think he is tuff. JMO

[panache]

you are so right FA.....where were these mothers? and some can't understand why many teens/young men and women turn out the way they do.....................

Oh Puhleeeeeeese. They had fathers too, what responsibilty should fathers have in this? I'm so tired of it always being the mothers that are blamed.

moo

[Texas48]

From your post it didn't sound that way. And I highly doubt that there is a video like that about Crystal, lol.

moo
just give it some time 51.....................

[diamond]

I don't think the Cummings clan will be too happy with this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6OK1QtiEUw

moo

Good song for the Cummings family. Thanks for finding the video.

[FallenAngel♥]

That could have started it, yep sure could.Remember also, KP,Crystal and Mr. Bounty Hunter were the only three that knew about the cash money and someone leaked it. Could it have been KP. Maybe she has some money people investing cash into this adventure of hers. Don't you love it when people think everyone is dumb in small towns and because they are from the big city, they know everything.MOO

Ya know No two ways about it when your lawyer lawyers up it's NOT a good thing........

[titanfan217]

Maybe i'm wrong....I was cleaning my living room and listening at the same time. See what i get for cleaning house lol


I'll have to listen to it again and i'm sure transcripts will be up soon.


So I'm not the only one that multi-tasks.


OT Does anyone have any idea what case they are discussing "now"... I didn't get the site turned off & they were talking about some case with a "Connie", child visitation that must be supervised.

[panache]

Yep and he's getting what he's paying for IMO

Ron sure is. That video his atty. threw together rates a razzy.

moo

[FallenAngel♥]

Oh Puhleeeeeeese. They had fathers too, what responsibilty should fathers have in this? I'm so tired of it always being the mothers that are blamed.

moo

well in Crystals case her father was in the Marines...........So why did her mother allow her to live with Ron at age 14? or heck why did her PARENTS both let her live with Ron at 14?

Most of all i would love to know what was going on in that house that would want her to leave at 14.

[diamond]

well in Crystals case her father was in the Marines...........So why did her mother allow her to live with Ron at age 14? or heck why did her PARENTS both let her live with Ron at 14?

Most of all i would love to know what was going on in that house that would want her to leave at 14.

How do you know that she lived with Ron at 14 years old?

[FallenAngel♥]

Ron sure is. That video his atty. threw together rates a razzy.

moo

Yep ITA.........

[Mimi428]

Oh Puhleeeeeeese. They had fathers too, what responsibilty should fathers have in this? I'm so tired of it always being the mothers that are blamed.

moo

Yep, I don't think it is a coincidence that the same folks that praised that comment are the same folks who praise Ron.

JMO

[?noanswer]

A change on this site

http://www.haleighbug.com/


"Haleigh’s Mother, Crystal Sheffield, has returned to her home in Baker County, Florida with her family........" JMO

[titanfan217]

well in Crystals case her father was in the Marines...........So why did her mother allow her to live with Ron at age 14? or heck why did her PARENTS both let her live with Ron at 14?

Most of all i would love to know what was going on in that house that would want her to leave at 14.


Mom couldn't handle her alone with dad gone. Was convinced they were just friends or could the 2 Crystals have been friends....

Just throwing out an idea

[?noanswer]

well in Crystals case her father was in the Marines...........So why did her mother allow her to live with Ron at age 14? or heck why did her PARENTS both let her live with Ron at 14?

Most of all i would love to know what was going on in that house that would want her to leave at 14.

How long ago was he in the marines? Why did he leave LE? What does he do now. (I know, I know, he is out looking for Haleigh even tho he has a fever). Listening to Cobra, one would think Mr. Sheffield was the greatest thing since sliced bread. JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

How do you know that she lived with Ron at 14 years old?

it was in some news article someone posted earlier.

[FallenAngel♥]

How long ago was he in the marines? Why did he leave LE? What does he do now. (I know, I know, he is out looking for Haleigh even tho he has a fever). Listening to Cobra, one would think Mr. Sheffield was the greatest thing since sliced bread. JMO

don't know, not sure,...would love to know AND by looking at Johnny's rap sheet he's NO angel.

[Texas48]

It speaks volumes to me that Crystals supporters don't want to talk about Haleigh falling into the canal and her mother did not call 911 or take her to the ER after she was floating face down and not breathing.
We have seen that many times over FA...........Crystal can do no wrong........free of any blame..................I am willing to bet that even Crystal doesn't see it that way...............she knows in her heart what has gone down in the past years. I still believe that if Marie and *others* had not come in and wanted their 15 min. that Crystal and Ron would have stood side by side and supported each other..Haleigh is their child..a child made from love. all thoughts are MO only.....

[FrankieBones1]

Interesting. They said Ron was at the store at 2:30AM, got home at 3AM and waited 27 minutes before calling 911
Wow! I had not heard this before.
Did LE come right out and say this?

Didn't his shift end at 3:00am?

[FallenAngel♥]

I just thought of something. I think I heard/read KP has an attorney working on the non-profit end of the Haleighbug Foundation. If that is the reason she has an attorney, no wonder Cobra wouldn't explain. A simple explanation like that would have no shock value. JMO

that wouldn't be called "lawyered up" would it?

AND if that's the case no wonder i can't stand Cobra.

[panache]

Sorry to burst your balloon, but KP Mr. Bounty Hunter, AH and Mr. TJ Hart, have slandered and libeled many people in their quest to make money. Things their client had nothing to do with. MOO

We were not talking about Mr. TJ Hart or AH, or Cobra. The post I responded to was about KP.

moo

[diamond]

Wow! I had not heard this before.
Did LE come right out and say this?

Didn't his shift end at 3:00am?

It was what Cobra said on blog radio today.

[FrankieBones1]

It speaks volumes to me that Crystals supporters don't want to talk about Haleigh falling into the canal and her mother did not call 911 or take her to the ER after she was floating face down and not breathing.
Holy smokes. Where'd you hear this? Was it documented?

[Texas48]

Everyone with missing loved ones should register at http://namus.gov/

Every year unidentified bodies are buried as John/Jane Does. This database is for use by LE and private citizens. It allows those who have missing loved ones to search through descriptions of unidentified decedants in the hope of matching up the missing with the dead.

I know nobody hopes their loved one is dead, but recovering their remains is better than never knowing.

Sorry for being kinda off topic but it's related.Hi Diva...........your post may have been alittle O/T.............but it was a good post....

[diamond]

Is that the new slang for a video being played on all the national and local news? Very successful huh? Just what the public wanted to see. It was all about Haleigh. Some people just don't get it huh?:thumbsup::wink:

Are you serious? The public expected more from a video that was advertised for over a month. It was a disappointment. But then Ron always disappoints the public by his lack of doing anything to find Haleigh.

[FallenAngel♥]

Wow! I had not heard this before.
Did LE come right out and say this?

Didn't his shift end at 3:00am?

No were getting all this from Cobra, TJH and Art

[diamond]

I don't see TN as anything except as a Grandmom who has her granddaughter Haleigh missing.

Much can be added to that. A grandmother that is protecting and praising the very person that was responsible for watching and protecting Haleigh before she disappeared. IF you believe the script they wrote.

[?noanswer]

Wow! I had not heard this before.
Did LE come right out and say this?

Didn't his shift end at 3:00am?



No, not LE. It was Cobra, AH, or TJH or that show today. JMO

[FrankieBones1]

No were getting all this from Cobra, TJH and Art
Interesting.
If they are getting this info from LE, I wish LE would just come out and make a presser about it.

[FallenAngel♥]

Holy smokes. Where'd you hear this? Was it documented?

It came from an interview Crystals mom did. You want me to find the video?

[Texas48]

Her daughter was found face down not breathing in the canal and Crystal didn't even call 911 or take her to the ER. and you think that's to protect Ron? what if Haleigh would have died a couple hours later of dry drowning?FA.........you already know the answer...........Ron would have somehow been blamed...not by LE...but by posters............Let me not forget TN and GGM...they would have been pulled into it as well. sad IMO.

[?noanswer]

Holy smokes. Where'd you hear this? Was it documented?

Someone posted a video of Marie Griffis earlier today telling the story. Nothing was documented such as 911 or medical records. JMO

[panache]

FA.........you already know the answer...........Ron would have somehow been blamed...not by LE...but by posters............Let me not forget TN and GGM...they would have been pulled into it as well. sad IMO.

Ron was there, did something happen to his dialing fingers? That must be it, he couldn't dial 911 when Haleigh went missing either.

moo

[FallenAngel♥]

Interesting.
If they are getting this info from LE, I wish LE would just come out and make a presser about it.

here you go.



Did Crystal take Haleigh to the hospital or call 911 when this happen?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLiwshayRo

[Texas48]

ITA IF it happen Ron should have called 911 or took Haleigh to the ER.

IMO neither of them are good parents.with this post I believe that MANY posters here at IS will agree with you FA....

[diamond]

FA.........you already know the answer...........Ron would have somehow been blamed...not by LE...but by posters............Let me not forget TN and GGM...they would have been pulled into it as well. sad IMO.

They did not say if 911 was called or not or if they took Haleigh for medical treatment or not.

However, that incident is not related to Haleigh's disappearance.

[FallenAngel♥]

Ron was there, did something happen to his dialing fingers? That must be it, he couldn't dial 911 when Haleigh went missing either.

moo

here we go again putting the blame only on Ron..........Why is that? Crystal has a cell phone and she had a car why couldn't she get her daughter and take her to the ER IF the story was true.

Didn't Ron say that never happen?

[diamond]

here we go again putting the blame only on Ron..........Why is that? Crystal has a cell phone and she had a car why couldn't she get her daughter and take her to the ER IF the story was true.

Didn't Ron say that never happen?

How do you know that they did not take her to the ER or call 911? Maybe they did.

Again, how does it factor into Haleigh disappearing?

[?noanswer]

here we go again putting the blame only on Ron..........Why is that? Crystal has a cell phone and she had a car why couldn't she get her daughter and take her to the ER IF the story was true.

Didn't Ron say that never happen?

If that happened and she was indeed floating face down, then she would have had to had artifical respiration. If she had not already passed out, she would have been flaying around in the water, not floating face down. Did anyone give her AR? JMO

[titanfan217]

here we go again putting the blame only on Ron..........Why is that? Crystal has a cell phone and she had a car why couldn't she get her daughter and take her to the ER IF the story was true.

Didn't Ron say that never happen?



If this happened, they were both to blame.

[FallenAngel♥]

They did not say if 911 was called or not or if they took Haleigh for medical treatment or not.

However, that incident is not related to Haleigh's disappearance.

Yes but it speaks volumes to what kind of parents they are.

I'm surprised this didn't come up during the custody battles

[panache]

here we go again putting the blame only on Ron..........Why is that? Crystal has a cell phone and she had a car why couldn't she get her daughter and take her to the ER IF the story was true.

Didn't Ron say that never happen?

No, here we go blaming mothers again. Blaming the mothers for Ron and Crystal living together, blaming a mother for not getting to the doctors, blaming a mother for not dialing 911 and driving to the ER. Well I happen to believe that both parents have responbilties when it comes to their children.

moo

[Texas48]

Wow. As it seems, the responsibility never falls on Crystal. Its always, always someone elses fault.But...bullyjo..help me remember back.......what did Crystal tell the Judge in the Custody hearing as to why she did NOT take Haleigh to her very important doctor's appt...?....and she missed..how many?

[panache]

How about who cares what any of them come out like, as long as Haleigh comes home alive.

You'll have to ask bam bam that, she'll be the one disappointed that Ron doesn't look like the pope. I could give a fig newton what Ron looks like as long as he gets his bride to tell the truth, then we just might find Haleigh.

moo

[FallenAngel♥]

How do you know that they did not take her to the ER or call 911? Maybe they did.

Again, how does it factor into Haleigh disappearing?

I don't know if they took her to the ER or called 911 that's why i was asking and i've already said IF it happen Ron should have called 911 or took Haleigh to the ER.

IMO neither of them are good parents.

and people have brought up every bad thing Ron has done his whole life but you don't think we should talk about Haleigh almost died?

[Texas48]

YES that's what Cobra said..........sounds like their relationship took a sharp turn...........gona shake my head again........what next?

[Texas48]

Oh ITA... i was shocked KP has lawyered up and i'm double shocked KP wants Cobra off the case.
does it say WHY KP has lawyered up?

[FallenAngel♥]

No, here we go blaming mothers again. Blaming the mothers for Ron and Crystal living together, blaming a mother for not getting to the doctors, blaming a mother for not dialing 911 and driving to the ER. Well I happen to believe that both parents have responbilties when it comes to their children.

moo

I'm not blaming anyone....i'm simply asking do you know IF this really happen or was it another lie and IF it did happen did Crystal call 911 or take Haleigh to the ER? Nancy said Crystal had to do CPR and Haleigh was floating face down with arms spread out dead in the water........So i thought next step would have been 911 or ER.

[panache]

Probably the same thing Ronald told the school regarding Haleigh's absenteeism. Help me remember Tex, how many days did Haleigh miss?

moo

Touche!!:thumbsup:

[diamond]

Probably the same thing Ronald told the school regarding Haleigh's absenteeism. Help me remember Tex, how many days did Haleigh miss?

moo

Wonder how many doctor's appointments Ron missed since he has had custody. He did not get her to school on time. She had a lot of absences. If he couldn't make sure she was at school it is a given that he missed doctor's appointments too.

[FallenAngel♥]

does it say WHY KP has lawyered up?

Nope Cobra stayed quiet about that.......

[FallenAngel♥]

Wonder how many doctor's appointments Ron missed since he has had custody. He did not get her to school on time. She had a lot of absences. If he couldn't make sure she was at school it is a given that he missed doctor's appointments too.

she really didn't have a LOT of unexcused absences.

[diamond]

I don't know if they took her to the ER or called 911 that's why i was asking and i've already said IF it happen Ron should have called 911 or took Haleigh to the ER.

IMO neither of them are good parents.

and people have brought up every bad thing Ron has done his whole life but you don't think we should talk about Haleigh almost died?

The fact is she did not die. She survived because Crystal pulled her from the water. What was Ron doing? He was there.

[Texas48]

He never did say why she lawyered up. But when I heard her on that video laughing about how she was befriending the drug guy to get info, my jaw fell open. She should have better sense than that. If she wanted to do it, she should not go on video and tell about it.

Now Cobra is begging for money again. Says he has gotten 2,000 so far. If he get too much, he will give it to something good. The other day he said he was in the hole 35,000 so if he has only 2,000 to date, don't think he will be giving anything away. Said he knows his money is being spent on searching for Haliegh, but can't say that for anyone else. Says JS is searching, but he has not been given any donations. Is that a dig on KP and CS? JMOmilummmmm....maybe Cobra should reconsider the multi-million dollar movie deal he TURNED DOWN....He will get no money from me and I hope he doesn't con ppl into sending him $$$$$..

[FallenAngel♥]

Why didn't Ronald call? He was there that day. Let's see, Crystal's fault for not calling 911 and when Haleigh goes missing, it's not Ronald that calls, rather Misty that calls, her "stepmom" is Ronald ever held accountable for anything he does? What about the baby he has with Amber? Will he ever step up to the plate and act like a father and support the child? Course why would he, isn't the State of Fl taking care of him, Misty and Jr now that he got fired from pdm?

moo

moo
Some how i think you have missed what i've said about this


IF it really happen i think BOTH of them should have called 911 and taken her to the ER.


IMO they are BOTH bad parents.

Now about Amber,...i've already said they need a DNA test and Ron should be paying child support if it's his child.

[FallenAngel♥]

The fact is she did not die. She survived because Crystal pulled her from the water. What was Ron doing? He was there.

i have no idea what Ron was doing. they both should have been watching their children. Like i said they are both HORRIBLE parents IMO

[Texas48]

In one interview he talked about tearing up the house looking for Haleigh then calling 911. But what he told the police is what's important and they have gone on record saying they are satisfied with his account of the 8 hours in question.

Many found fault with him, claiming he didn't look for her before calling 911 like they would have and now that someone is saying he did you still find fault. Go figure.can't figure bookie................

[FallenAngel♥]

Does anyone know where Simon usually puts his transcripts at?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett

[bookie]

Ron was there, did something happen to his dialing fingers? That must be it, he couldn't dial 911 when Haleigh went missing either.

moo



If the story is true his dialing fingers were busy in the water pulling Haleigh out according to Crystal. So....why didn't she call while he was pulling Haleigh out of the water?

[FallenAngel♥]

Knowing him, it was probably a lot. The more this unravels the more I am 100% convinced Ronald is responsible for Haleigh's vanishing and Misty is covering for him. It makes perfect sense and falls in line with the bribery marriage, imo. All my own opinions, but imo the day will come when Ronald and Misty will be in cuffs and hauled down to the station, booked with the crime against Haleigh.

moo

what kind of crime against Haleigh?

[diamond]

Knowing him, it was probably a lot. The more this unravels the more I am 100% convinced Ronald is responsible for Haleigh's vanishing and Misty is covering for him. It makes perfect sense and falls in line with the bribery marriage, imo. All my own opinions, but imo the day will come when Ronald and Misty will be in cuffs and hauled down to the station, booked with the crime against Haleigh.

moo

I have been 100% convinced that Misty is covering for Ron ever since they married. I am waiting for the day the news coverage shows Ron and Misty in handcuffs and a back seat police ride to the jail. Both of those liars know what happen to Haleigh.

MO

[?noanswer]

Does anyone know where Simon usually puts his transcripts at?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett

I quickly looked around, did not see any transcript links. He is supposed to have a link that one can listen to a recording of the broadcast. JMO

[Texas48]

Ok i'm confused. why are you shocked? Didn't we all know he stopped and got some "smokes" and then went home?Don't be confused FA..you are right.

[FallenAngel♥]

In the video of Marie talking, I thought she said it was in the court doc's?? Its toward the end.

yeah i heard that .. said Ron blames everything on Crystal . I'll have to go read the court docs again.


and what did you think about Marie saying Crystal kind of blacked out and doesn't really remember how she got Haleigh to breathing again?

[panache]

If the story is true his dialing fingers were busy in the water pulling Haleigh out according to Crystal. So....why didn't she call while he was pulling Haleigh out of the water?

Maybe she was adminstering CPR.

moo

[diamond]

See, its all good, as long as we don't diss Crystal. LOL

Do you think your dissing Crystal helps Ron? It doesn't. Nothing she has said or done has ever influenced public opinion of Ron. He created that all by himself.

[diamond]

Bolding mine

You can say that again. I hope they throw the book at them, after all this time and energy put into finding Haleigh, they so deserve every single thing that comes at them. And let's not forget, Ronald stated he has no problem whatsoever spending the rest of his life in jail, so it shouldn't be to big of a deal for him.:wink:

moo

That's what he said. That will change when he actually gets closed in behind bars. He will shed real tears then.

[Texas48]

Yep, I don't think it is a coincidence that the same folks that praised that comment are the same folks who praise Ron.

JMOIf you are talking about me Mimi....You have never heard me praise Ron and you never will.

[bookie]

Maybe she was adminstering CPR.

moo



While Haleigh was in the water? Not very likely and one of the worst excuses for her yet.

[panache]

With the stats out there on single families, it would be a perfect world to have both parents involved, but I think thats not reality anymore. I would be more inclined to take each as an individual case.
jmo

At the time of these events the families were intact. Equal opportunity and equal responsibilty.

moo

[FallenAngel♥]

Do you think your dissing Crystal helps Ron? It doesn't. Nothing she has said or done has ever influenced public opinion of Ron. He created that all by himself.

Do you think dissing Ron helps Haleigh?