Sunday May 17/09

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

:rose:

Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/Gue...onId=121581033 (http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033)

:rose:

Caylee's Law

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/cay...rom%20your%20b (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/caylees-law--a-law-to-protect-children?This%20is%20from%20your%20b)

[IM4Truth]

Looks like we both were opening threads at the same time! Mine got locked immediately! Oh well, at least we are here. Do you know how to bring a post over from last night? Do you just copy and paste or is there another way?

[ellegna]

Looks like we both were opening threads at the same time! Mine got locked immediately! Oh well, at least we are here. Do you know how to bring a post over from last night? Do you just copy and paste or is there another way?


Good morning IM4Truth

What's that saying about great minds thinking a lot? :laugh:
Just copy and paste the post here

[IM4Truth]

Good morning IM4Truth

What's that saying about great minds thinking a lot? :laugh:
Just copy and paste the post here

Great minds that are already awake and thinking maybe! Let me go look for that post I wanted to comment on.

[IM4Truth]

I'm bringing this post over from earlier from:

Oregongal

I think she may have killed Caylee in the early morn hours of the 16th, after she screeched out of the house after the huge fight that caused Cindy trying to choke her on the late afternoon/night of the 15th.
So Caylee would have been in the trunk. She then went back to the house after George went to work on the 16th, moved Caylee to the backyard, thinking she'd bury her there somewhere. Left Caylee in the playhouse, out of sight of the Ant's and then went to be with Tony, rent their movies and have their night of 'love'. Yuck, thinking her daughter lay dead in the backyard of her parents house.
Wasn't it the 17th when she borrowed the shovel? Or maybe the 18th. Either way, she went back to the house, borrowed the shovel thinking she'd bury her, found she could dig far enough down fast enough, returned the shovel and then put Caylee back in the trunk. She had to double bag her cause by this time Caylee was beginning to smell and I'm sure she was covered with flies and all those bugs that come with death. She probably used those pestiside pumps to spray Caylee down just before she bagged her. Put the double bagged Caylee into that laundry hamper because it had handles, put her back in the trunk and then drove around and around, as the cell pings indicate. Being daytime, she couldn't find a place where she wouldn't be seen. After hours of this, it was getting dark she drove back to her 'comfort zone'. A place she'd known from childhood, pulled over onto the shoulder of the road, walked a few feet in and tossed her 'package' into the woods.
Drove off.
I know there may be a few holes in this scenario, but I've also always thought it was simpler than many others have speculated.
And sorry for posting this right before we go to sleep, but this is what I think about how it happened many nights as I pray that the justice for Caylee will come by her mother being put to death for what she did to this baby.
__________________

I totally agree with you on most of this. I'm wondering when the double bagging came in though. I can't help but wonder if Casey first placed Caylee in the laundry bag and left her overnight, possibly in the playhouse or in the sandbox. When she went back to bury her (borrowing neighbors shovel) she found that was going to be too hard and not really sure she had enough time before mom & dad got home. I sort of think she just placed Caylee in the laundry bag at that time in the trunk. Later as fluids started to release is when she put her in the garbage bags. George had said the stain was about the size of a basketball. I would think double bagging plastic bags, maybe not that much fluids would have leaked. I do think Casey drove all around looking for a place to dump her, hence all the pings out by the airport area. I'm just not sure when she turned down Suburban Drive and threw Caylee out. George may not have smelled the odor on the 24th when he retrieved the gas cans. It may not have been permeating outside the car yet. However after sitting in the sun for so long at Amscot is when the odor became so strong. If that is the case, then it is possible that Caylee was in the trunk on the 24th and Casey was got scared that her dad might open the trunk later and that is when she went right down the street and dumped Caylee in the swamp.

[jammies]

Morning, guys and gals.


Anyone else wonder about that flurry of phone calls Casey made? A poster yesterday suggested she was looking for a babysitter which made some sense to me.

Was never convinced the flurry was about the demise of Caylee unless LATER when she did finally get ahold of them she spilled her guts and told them what happened. Then that would mean they knew about her death, buried her in the backyard, later Casey takes body to get back at them, etc. etc.

It doesn't make sense to me that she was calling everyone to report an accident but then immediately went into lying, cover up mode when she couldn't reach them at that moment. If she were calling for that she could have easily driven to Cindy's work, CALLED Cindy's workplace, made a 911 call, etc.

Did that make sense? Difficult to type exactly what I mean. (and it's early)

[jammies]

IM4,

I think OG is right about the 15th being the day she murdered Caylee. GA's story about the 16th is exactly that. A story. Never bought that for a moment.
She was in a rage after the showdown with Mom on the 15th. She took it out on Caylee while in that rage.

[IM4Truth]

IM4,

I think OG is right about the 15th being the day she murdered Caylee. GA's story about the 16th is exactly that. A story. Never bought that for a moment.
She was in a rage after the showdown with Mom on the 15th. She took it out on Caylee while in that rage.

Proof that Caylee was in the backyard on the day Casey borrowed the shovel? Casey said the shovel was to remove bamboo shoots so Caylee wouldn't get hurt. Another one of her half truths. Caylee was there on the day the shovel was borrowed, she just wasn't alive.

The mystery remains as to how Casey killed her and we may never know. But I do believe she left that night in a rage and Caylee was probably crying and wanting her grandmother. Casey got so angry, she either choked her, smothered her, whatever, but that is the night or wee hours of the a.m. on the 16th that little Caylee was gone.

[AMS]

Good morning - For those of you who did not see Anakerie's post last night, I have pasted it below. You should read thel ink to see Cindy's response to her. If this response is any indication of how Cindy treated Casey then I believe the defense will use "Cindy - mother from hell" as part of their strategy. They could use her as the reason Casey did not report Caylee was misshing. imo


Anakerie
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Meridian CA
Posts: 3,527

Hello folks... It's nice to see the board open for business again! I so wanted to pop in here this morning and tell you all that Cindy emailed me about the open letter I posted. I've answered her, but haven't sent her another link yet.. lol... For those who were there to see the open letter, the response is on the same blog... :-)

Hopefully I won't get in trouble for posting a link:
http://anakerie.blogspot.com/


imo

[IM4Truth]

Good morning...
Boy this is sad...
I'm thinking if It were me wanting to hide something that size or weight (not a body) I don't think I would place it in the playhouse. I think I would be really nervous that mom or dad may walk out by the pool at any time of the night or day and walk over that way.
Perhaps she just threw her in her trunk immediately like garbage and went about her business.
If she killed little Caylee on the 15th or 16th, within 24-48 hours that baby would have began to decompose. I don't think the smell would have began for at least 48 hours. It was very hot in Florida and the more she left her in her trunk the worse it got.
This is all so sad.

True, but she may have laid the body down on the ground thinking she was going to dig a grave and found out how hard it was. Those dogs hit on the back yard in a couple of places, near the playhouse, and I believe near the sandbox. She might not have left her overnight. But even George and Cindy admitted to checking under the playhouse after smelling the car!

[IM4Truth]

Cindy's response to Anakerie is Cindy to the T!

[IM4Truth]

{{wow}} IM4Truth...This I didn't know!

Don't ask me for a link! I never keep them! But I think it might have been on Greta when they said they had checked the yard. Someone on the board will know! A lot of people here can give a link in a blink!

[AMS]

Don't ask me for a link! I never keep them! But I think it might have been on Greta when they said they had checked the yard. Someone on the board will know! A lot of people here can give a link in a blink!

I can't give a link in a blink but I do remember the A's saying they moved the playhouse to check underneath.

imo

[desmom]

I think you nailed it IM4Truth!

In one of George's video interview with the FBI ( http://cmm.lefora.com/2008/11/23/fbi-tapes-released-george-anthony-cindy-anthony/page1/ ), he said he saw clothes in the trunk. Did he see the laundry bag and assume it was full of clothes?

The laundry bag info came out in the Wednesday, 1/21/09 document dump http://www.wftv.com/news/18530178/detail.html. George was reported missing Thursday 1/22/09. I think George read that document dump and realized the laundry bag he saw in Casey's trunk on 6/24 held Caylee's little body.

jmo

[jammies]

Proof that Caylee was in the backyard on the day Casey borrowed the shovel? Casey said the shovel was to remove bamboo shoots so Caylee wouldn't get hurt. Another one of her half truths. Caylee was there on the day the shovel was borrowed, she just wasn't alive.

The mystery remains as to how Casey killed her and we may never know. But I do believe she left that night in a rage and Caylee was probably crying and wanting her grandmother. Casey got so angry, she either choked her, smothered her, whatever, but that is the night or wee hours of the a.m. on the 16th that little Caylee was gone.


What if..... she kills her in a rage on the 15th/early 16th (or drugged her to shut her up and she od's) then returns home on the afternoon of 16th, puts the body in the pool to look like accidental drowning, THEN starts making her flurry of phone calls? When she gets no answer, realizes her coverup failed, she comes up with a different plan of action?

[desmom]

Don't ask me for a link! I never keep them! But I think it might have been on Greta when they said they had checked the yard. Someone on the board will know! A lot of people here can give a link in a blink!

Page 236 (or penciled #348) http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Report of July 17, 2008 events by LE:

He (George) told me that he even moved his granddaughter's playhouse and looked underneath it for evidence of foul play. The playhouse is positioned in the back yard on a deck of brick pavers.

[IM4Truth]

I think you nailed it IM4Truth!

In one of George's video interview with the FBI ( http://cmm.lefora.com/2008/11/23/fbi-tapes-released-george-anthony-cindy-anthony/page1/ ), he said he saw clothes in the trunk. Did he see the laundry bag and assume it was full of clothes?

The laundry bag info came out in the Wednesday, 1/21/09 document dump http://www.wftv.com/news/18530178/detail.html. George was reported missing Thursday 1/22/09. I think George read that document dump and realized the laundry bag he saw in Casey's trunk on 6/24 held Caylee's little body.

jmo

Wow, des! You really follow the timelines. A lot of people think George's attempt was a hoax but I don't. He appears to be a very emotionally weak person and I believe he reached his breaking point. I think he had to get away. He started drinking and started writing down his thoughts, trying to sort things out. He knew he had to distance himself from Cindy and was trying to do that. Unfortunately, he went right back to her. He should have gone to other family, but his parents are probably too frail. He showed a strong side in the beginning when he sneaked down to OCSO for the impromptu interview with Yuri and John Allen admitting that Cindy knew nothing about it. That is when George spoke the truth.

A lot of people are hard on George. However, it appears to me that he held down a respectable job as a detective in a police agency for almost 10 years. Even the sheriff there spoke highly of him. Once he married Cindy and she made him leave the department he was a broken man and his life went downhill from there. We see the truth come out in George when Cindy doesn't have him by the .......... thigh.

[IM4Truth]

What if..... she kills her in a rage on the 15th/early 16th (or drugged her to shut her up and she od's) then returns home on the afternoon of 16th, puts the body in the pool to look like accidental drowning, THEN starts making her flurry of phone calls? When she gets no answer, realizes her coverup failed, she comes up with a different plan of action?

That is a theory that many of us have had at times. I wonder if the shorts and t-shirt could be tested for pool chlorine so late in the game?

[jammies]

{{wow}} IM4Truth...This I didn't know!


Yes and that's the "weird" part. What made them think Caylee's body was in their own backyard? You smell decomp, your grand-daughter is gone, you search your backyard for her body? ?????

[IM4Truth]

Page 236 (or penciled #348) http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Report of July 17, 2008 events by LE:

He (George) told me that he even moved his granddaughter's playhouse and looked underneath it for evidence of foul play. The playhouse is positioned in the back yard on a deck of brick pavers.

See! I told ya! Link in a blink! Desmom is awesome! Thank you!

[~jomomma~]

Good morning...
Boy this is sad...
I'm thinking if It were me wanting to hide something that size or weight (not a body) I don't think I would place it in the playhouse. I think I would be really nervous that mom or dad may walk out by the pool at any time of the night or day and walk over that way.
Perhaps she just threw her in her trunk immediately like garbage and went about her business.
If she killed little Caylee on the 15th or 16th, within 24-48 hours that baby would have began to decompose. I don't think the smell would have began for at least 48 hours. It was very hot in Florida and the more she left her in her trunk the worse it got.
This is all so sad.


not to mention their dogs. i would think the first thing G&C would do when they get home is let the dogs outside. the dogs would run straight for where the body would be. heck, even if it's a 'live' person, dogs can tell someone is there. you can't hide from them...LOL

if she left caylee in the back yard, i don't think it was for very long. she would've been gone before G&C came home, imo

[IM4Truth]

Yes and that's the "weird" part. What made them think Caylee's body was in their own backyard? You smell decomp, your grand-daughter is gone, you search your backyard for her body? ?????

Answer: because they know their daughter, Casey so well!!!!

[jammies]

That is a theory that many of us have had at times. I wonder if the shorts and t-shirt could be tested for pool chlorine so late in the game?


Ok, good. Then I'm not off the wall with this suggestion.

I just don't see her leaving in a rage w/Caylee on the 15th, bringing her back home the 16th for some fun pooltime and she accidently drowns. It's too coincidental with the "big fight" that happened the night before.

[IM4Truth]

not to mention their dogs. i would think the first thing G&C would do when they get home is let the dogs outside. the dogs would run straight for where the body would be. heck, even if it's a 'live' person, dogs can tell someone is there. you can't hide from them...LOL

if she left caylee in the back yard, i don't think it was for very long. she would've been gone before G&C came home, imo

Good thinking! Never thought of that before!

[~jomomma~]

Yes and that's the "weird" part. What made them think Caylee's body was in their own backyard? You smell decomp, your grand-daughter is gone, you search your backyard for her body? ?????

the dogs were probly acting strangely would be my guess :shrug:

[jammies]

Answer: because they know their daughter, Casey so well!!!!


Yes, their darling lying, sociopathic, thieving, Mother of the Year daughter. Chip off the old blocks.

[jammies]

the dogs were probly acting strangely would be my guess :shrug:


Maybe the dogs had been digging back in June but at the time they thought nothing of it?

[OCD4Crime]

Good morning - For those of you who did not see Anakerie's post last night, I have pasted it below. You should read thel ink to see Cindy's response to her. If this response is any indication of how Cindy treated Casey then I believe the defense will use "Cindy - mother from hell" as part of their strategy. They could use her as the reason Casey did not report Caylee was misshing. imo


Anakerie
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Meridian CA
Posts: 3,527

Hello folks... It's nice to see the board open for business again! I so wanted to pop in here this morning and tell you all that Cindy emailed me about the open letter I posted. I've answered her, but haven't sent her another link yet.. lol... For those who were there to see the open letter, the response is on the same blog... :-)

Hopefully I won't get in trouble for posting a link:
http://anakerie.blogspot.com/


imo

I don't post much but Cindy's response makes my blood boil. She truly is evil to the core. jmo

[desmom]

Wow, des! You really follow the timelines. A lot of people think George's attempt was a hoax but I don't. He appears to be a very emotionally weak person and I believe he reached his breaking point. I think he had to get away. He started drinking and started writing down his thoughts, trying to sort things out. He knew he had to distance himself from Cindy and was trying to do that. Unfortunately, he went right back to her. He should have gone to other family, but his parents are probably too frail. He showed a strong side in the beginning when he sneaked down to OCSO for the impromptu interview with Yuri and John Allen admitting that Cindy knew nothing about it. That is when George spoke the truth.

A lot of people are hard on George. However, it appears to me that he held down a respectable job as a detective in a police agency for almost 10 years. Even the sheriff there spoke highly of him. Once he married Cindy and she made him leave the department he was a broken man and his life went downhill from there. We see the truth come out in George when Cindy doesn't have him by the .......... thigh.


Actually your post hit the switch on the light bulb and I remembered George saying he saw clothes in the trunk of the car*. While searching for George's statement, I got to thinking what if George saw the laundry bag and assumed it was clothes.

Because there was a matching laundry bag found in the A's garage, I think this was probably something that was part of the norm in the A household. Isn't there washer & dryer in the garage? Cindy may have used laundry bags to transport the clothing to and from the garage. A laundry bag is probably as common in their household as a laundry basket is in mine. When George saw the laundry bag in Casey's trunk, it would be an automatic assumption it was full of clothes.

*I always thought it was odd that someone would put clothes in the trunk of the car with gas cans. All I can say is YUCK!

jmo

[IM4Truth]

Ok, good. Then I'm not off the wall with this suggestion.

I just don't see her leaving in a rage w/Caylee on the 15th, bringing her back home the 16th for some fun pooltime and she accidently drowns. It's too coincidental with the "big fight" that happened the night before.

I'd like to know more about the fight that night other than it being about the money and choking Casey. I wonder if Cindy might have told her to get out and never come back, maybe trying to keep Caylee, but Casey grabbed her anyway and ran. If so, then no, Casey wouldn't have come back to stage a pool accident on the 16th. However, she could have said she came back to get her things and Caylee got out but then who put the ladder up? Dizzy, I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning, like a whirlpool........

[IM4Truth]

I don't post much but Cindy's response makes my blood boil. She truly is evil to the core. jmo

You obviously have a good perspective on Cindy, so post some more!

[IM4Truth]

Actually your post hit the switch on the light bulb and I remembered George saying he saw clothes in the trunk of the car*. While searching for George's statement, I got to thinking what if George saw the laundry bag and assumed it was clothes.

Because there was a matching laundry bag found in the A's garage, I think this was probably something that was part of the norm in the A household. Isn't there washer & dryer in the garage? Cindy may have used laundry bags to transport the clothing to and from the garage. A laundry bag is probably as common in their household as a laundry basket is in mine. When George saw the laundry bag in Casey's trunk, it would be an automatic assumption it was full of clothes.

*I always thought it was odd that someone would put clothes in the trunk of the car with gas cans. All I can say is YUCK!

jmo

I use the laundry baskets too but I saw a photo of the one (or one like it) from Caylee's room. It is a fabric bag that hangs on a a frame, just pick it up when full and take it out to washer. If George saw the bag in the car, he probably thought nothing of it at first since Casey was supposed to have been on vacation at that time. But when the disovery photos came out, it hit him in the face.

[jammies]

I'd like to know more about the fight that night other than it being about the money and choking Casey. I wonder if Cindy might have told her to get out and never come back, maybe trying to keep Caylee, but Casey grabbed her anyway and ran. If so, then no, Casey wouldn't have come back to stage a pool accident on the 16th. However, she could have said she came back to get her things and Caylee got out but then who put the ladder up? Dizzy, I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning, like a whirlpool........



I hear ya on dizzy. :scared: Trying to think like the A's is making my brain mushy.
I always figured Cindy kicked her butt out and that is why she feels GUILTY. Cindy knew she couldn't stop Casey from taking Caylee. Casey only took Caylee to get back at her mom...not because she wanted her.
I picture, like everyone else here, Casey driving like a speed demon outta there, Caylee screaming/crying............

[~jomomma~]

I think you nailed it IM4Truth!

In one of George's video interview with the FBI ( http://cmm.lefora.com/2008/11/23/fbi-tapes-released-george-anthony-cindy-anthony/page1/ ), he said he saw clothes in the trunk. Did he see the laundry bag and assume it was full of clothes?

The laundry bag info came out in the Wednesday, 1/21/09 document dump http://www.wftv.com/news/18530178/detail.html. George was reported missing Thursday 1/22/09. I think George read that document dump and realized the laundry bag he saw in Casey's trunk on 6/24 held Caylee's little body.

jmo

desmom, i don't have anything in this case organized and only a few things saved. i thought in one of his interviews he said he saw (i thought) it was something blue....did he say a laundry bag? what was it he said he saw in the trunk?

it really bugs me when i can only remember so much.

[desmom]

the dogs were probly acting strangely would be my guess :shrug:

I agree. When I was an EMT, we responded to an assist LE check on the welfare call. The neighbors were concerned because their neighbor's dog was howling and had been for several hours. It was an eerie sound from outside the house. The dog was mourning the death of his owner.

I think the A's dogs may have responded in a similar way. Maybe whining and whimpering at the playhouse because they smelled the death of a loved one. Cindy may have waved it off with thinking the dogs missed Caylee not being home.

jmo

[~jomomma~]

I hear ya on dizzy. :scared: Trying to think like the A's is making my brain mushy.
I always figured Cindy kicked her butt out and that is why she feels GUILTY. Cindy knew she couldn't stop Casey from taking Caylee. Casey only took Caylee to get back at her mom...not because she wanted her.
I picture, like everyone else here, Casey driving like a speed demon outta there, Caylee screaming/crying............

me too :crying:
that's what i've always pictured and poor caylee just wanted to go home. she might've even been sleeping when casey grabbed her and left. that poor baby.

[desmom]

desmom, i don't have anything in this case organized and only a few things saved. i thought in one of his interviews he said he saw (i thought) it was something blue....did he say a laundry bag? what was it he said he saw in the trunk?

it really bugs me when i can only remember so much.

I do not think there are transcripts of the FBI interview. http://cmm.lefora.com/2008/11/23/fbi-tapes-released-george-anthony-cindy-anthony/page1/ does include a summary of the interview. The very last entry, 3rd paragraph says George said he saw some clothes and a collapsible blue bin with the gas cans in it in the trunk when Casey was getting the gas cans out of the trunk.

jmo

[~jomomma~]

I do not think there are transcripts of the FBI interview. http://cmm.lefora.com/2008/11/23/fbi-tapes-released-george-anthony-cindy-anthony/page1/ does include a summary of the interview. The very last entry, 3rd paragraph says George said he saw some clothes and a collapsible blue bin with the gas cans in it in the trunk when Casey was getting the gas cans out of the trunk.

jmo

ok, thank you!!!

[trich]

Oregongal

I think she may have killed Caylee in the early morn hours of the 16th, after she screeched out of the house after the huge fight that caused Cindy trying to choke her on the late afternoon/night of the 15th.
So Caylee would have been in the trunk. She then went back to the house after George went to work on the 16th, moved Caylee to the backyard, thinking she'd bury her there somewhere. Left Caylee in the playhouse, out of sight of the Ant's and then went to be with Tony, rent their movies and have their night of 'love'. Yuck, thinking her daughter lay dead in the backyard of her parents house.
Wasn't it the 17th when she borrowed the shovel? Or maybe the 18th. Either way, she went back to the house, borrowed the shovel thinking she'd bury her, found she could dig far enough down fast enough, returned the shovel and then put Caylee back in the trunk. She had to double bag her cause by this time Caylee was beginning to smell and I'm sure she was covered with flies and all those bugs that come with death. She probably used those pestiside pumps to spray Caylee down just before she bagged her. Put the double bagged Caylee into that laundry hamper because it had handles, put her back in the trunk and then drove around and around, as the cell pings indicate. Being daytime, she couldn't find a place where she wouldn't be seen. After hours of this, it was getting dark she drove back to her 'comfort zone'. A place she'd known from childhood, pulled over onto the shoulder of the road, walked a few feet in and tossed her 'package' into the woods.
Drove off.
I know there may be a few holes in this scenario, but I've also always thought it was simpler than many others have speculated.
And sorry for posting this right before we go to sleep, but this is what I think about how it happened many nights as I pray that the justice for Caylee will come by her mother being put to death for what she did to this baby.


I pretty much think the same thing.
Also didn't George and Cindy after bringing the car( with decomposing smell ) home look in the playhouse and the rest of the yard?
At that point they knew someone was dead and had been in the trunk but why did they look under things in the backyard?
What pocessed them to do that.
Anyhow IMO they knew then that Caylee was dead and from there on they have been covering for Casey....I don't think they are even in denial ...I think in a sense they believe they are responsible for Casey's behavior but at same time refusing to believe it,( like if only we had done this or that) and are trying to present themselves as believing she is innocent.
so much so that they have lied, and accused others of being to blame.
IMO Casey is the only one to blame for killing Caylee....
Her family has always excused her behavior... but at some time in life you have to put on your "Big Girl Panties" .

[Patty437]

IM4,

I think OG is right about the 15th being the day she murdered Caylee. GA's story about the 16th is exactly that. A story. Never bought that for a moment.
She was in a rage after the showdown with Mom on the 15th. She took it out on Caylee while in that rage.

yeah......i always thought his story was BS......he said casey and caylee left at about 12:50PM or so? what the heck were they doing the entire morning before that? I've never heard any description about that.

[~jomomma~]

i also believe that cindy is in 'cover casey mode' because she confronted casey about the money issue with grandparents.

i don't think it's denial, i think it's guilt. i believe cindy thinks if she would've never confronted casey, caylee would still be here. i think she knows casey did it but maybe believes it's her fault. that's why she can come up with an excuse for every little thing in this case, as idiotic as it all sounds.

cindy's 'ugly coping' :sneaky:

[~jomomma~]

yeah......i always thought his story was BS......he said casey and caylee left at about 12:50PM or so? what the heck were they doing the entire morning before that? I've never heard any description about that.

the thought crossed my mind a couple of times that maybe they hadn't come out of their bedroom yet because caylee was already dead. that maybe he did see them leave but casey was carrying caylee out, in her blanket.

but, i've believed more that casey left the night before, with an upset, crying caylee

[Barbara fl.]

I'm bringing this post over from earlier from:

Oregongal

I think she may have killed Caylee in the early morn hours of the 16th, after she screeched out of the house after the huge fight that caused Cindy trying to choke her on the late afternoon/night of the 15th.
So Caylee would have been in the trunk. She then went back to the house after George went to work on the 16th, moved Caylee to the backyard, thinking she'd bury her there somewhere. Left Caylee in the playhouse, out of sight of the Ant's and then went to be with Tony, rent their movies and have their night of 'love'. Yuck, thinking her daughter lay dead in the backyard of her parents house.
Wasn't it the 17th when she borrowed the shovel? Or maybe the 18th. Either way, she went back to the house, borrowed the shovel thinking she'd bury her, found she could dig far enough down fast enough, returned the shovel and then put Caylee back in the trunk. She had to double bag her cause by this time Caylee was beginning to smell and I'm sure she was covered with flies and all those bugs that come with death. She probably used those pestiside pumps to spray Caylee down just before she bagged her. Put the double bagged Caylee into that laundry hamper because it had handles, put her back in the trunk and then drove around and around, as the cell pings indicate. Being daytime, she couldn't find a place where she wouldn't be seen. After hours of this, it was getting dark she drove back to her 'comfort zone'. A place she'd known from childhood, pulled over onto the shoulder of the road, walked a few feet in and tossed her 'package' into the woods.
Drove off.
I know there may be a few holes in this scenario, but I've also always thought it was simpler than many others have speculated.
And sorry for posting this right before we go to sleep, but this is what I think about how it happened many nights as I pray that the justice for Caylee will come by her mother being put to death for what she did to this baby.
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I totally agree with you on most of this. I'm wondering when the double bagging came in though. I can't help but wonder if Casey first placed Caylee in the laundry bag and left her overnight, possibly in the playhouse or in the sandbox. When she went back to bury her (borrowing neighbors shovel) she found that was going to be too hard and not really sure she had enough time before mom & dad got home. I sort of think she just placed Caylee in the laundry bag at that time in the trunk. Later as fluids started to release is when she put her in the garbage bags. George had said the stain was about the size of a basketball. I would think double bagging plastic bags, maybe not that much fluids would have leaked. I do think Casey drove all around looking for a place to dump her, hence all the pings out by the airport area. I'm just not sure when she turned down Suburban Drive and threw Caylee out. George may not have smelled the odor on the 24th when he retrieved the gas cans. It may not have been permeating outside the car yet. However after sitting in the sun for so long at Amscot is when the odor became so strong. If that is the case, then it is possible that Caylee was in the trunk on the 24th and Casey was got scared that her dad might open the trunk later and that is when she went right down the street and dumped Caylee in the swamp.

Im4truth is pretty close to my therory...But I believe that Casey burried Caylee in the back yard the same day she murdered her....then on the 19th Casey decided to move Caylee's body and borrowed the shovel from the neighbor....(she probably had her own shovel on the 16th...but when she returned the shed was locked so she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor) she then dug up Caylee's remains and bagged them and put them in the trunk of her car, when she noticed that some bodily fluids were drpping in the trunk, she decided to triple bag it until she was able to dispose of of the body...

These bodily fluids is what caused the smell in the car to infest...then somewhere between the 19th and the 24th (24th being the day that George reported the gas cans stolen)...Casey discarded Caylee's remains down the street from where she lived.....

Now it was on the 20th that Casey stole the gas cans...because TonE had to pick her up and take her to her parents home to get the gas...

The body would not have been in the car after the 24th, because she was telling Amy about the odor in the car, she would not have taken that chance with the body still in the car....

My guess is that on the 24th when Casey went home and George couldn't get to the trunk before Casey stopped him, was the day that she discarded the body....It was too close of a call for her....

The only part that puzzles me is that George didn't remember the exact day that Casey gave him back the cans, he said he thought it to be the 24th...However, if it was the 24th George should have remembered because it was the exact day that he had reported them as stolen, so that doesn't quite add up.....

[Barbara fl.]

Yes and that's the "weird" part. What made them think Caylee's body was in their own backyard? You smell decomp, your grand-daughter is gone, you search your backyard for her body? ?????

I think they probably saw that something was disturbed...I know by backyard and if someone touched something or moved it I would know...Cindy and George probably wanted to see first before LE would, just to make sure....

Cindy andGeorge knew that Caylee was deceased as soon as they found that car....but were probably hoping against hope that they were wrong....

[Patty437]

the thought crossed my mind a couple of times that maybe they hadn't come out of their bedroom yet because caylee was already dead. that maybe he did see them leave but casey was carrying caylee out, in her blanket.

but, i've believed more that casey left the night before, with an upset, crying caylee

He had way too much description about what they were wearing...she stormed out that night of the arguement i think. Funny how Cindy insisted there was NO arguement so vehemently in the depo. I remember Lee describing that arguement (was that in his depo?)...I guess he's a lair too. Did he say who told him about that?

[jakee]

the thought crossed my mind a couple of times that maybe they hadn't come out of their bedroom yet because caylee was already dead. that maybe he did see them leave but casey was carrying caylee out, in her blanket.

but, i've believed more that casey left the night before, with an upset, crying caylee

I may be all confused with all the mistruths, but didn't George say at one time he fed little Caylee breakfast that morning like he always did?

I too think Casey may have left the night before. I thought for a long time Caylee accidentally drowned, but I can never figure out the duct tape and heart sticker in that scenario, and then why she would not admit that long ago if Caylee drowned. grrrr I just don't know what to think.

[Barbara fl.]

the thought crossed my mind a couple of times that maybe they hadn't come out of their bedroom yet because caylee was already dead. that maybe he did see them leave but casey was carrying caylee out, in her blanket.

but, i've believed more that casey left the night before, with an upset, crying caylee

George specifically said that Casey and Caylee left out together and they had their back packs.....But that has got to be alie...I don't think Casey ever came back to that house after the fight with Cindy on the 15th....they were all wrong with the original dates, and George had it wrong.....because someone from the Anthony home called Casey's cell at 7:45AM on te 16th....it seems that someone might have been worried that she and Caylee didn't return the night before after the fight....so I truly doubt that George saw either one on the 16th....

It was probably after the 20th or so that Casey went back for the gas cans and for some cloths....jmo

[Neffy]

I may be all confused with all the mistruths, but didn't George say at one time he fed little Caylee breakfast that morning like he always did?

I too think Casey may have left the night before. I thought for a long time Caylee accidentally drowned, but I can never figure out the duct tape and heart sticker in that scenario, and then why she would not admit that long ago if Caylee drowned. grrrr I just don't know what to think.

That's the cruxed of it. George NEVER mentioned breakfast with Caylee. Anything a typical morning would consist of George NEVER mentioned. Caylee waking up early (as most 2yr olds do like when the sun comes up) bouncing out of her room, George making breakfast, putzing around with her. Nothing. His only description was of both Casey and Caylee waking up and coming out of their room shortly before noon, all dressed and backpacked up.

That's not even plausible.

[Pam1569]

That is a theory that many of us have had at times. I wonder if the shorts and t-shirt could be tested for pool chlorine so late in the game?

GM IM, I wanted to add my two cents to this. IIRC Cindy stated that she and Caylee were in the pool when OC came home on the night of the 15th and OC was going to join them, but Cindy told her no they were just about to get and the water was getting cold because the sun was going down (this is around 7:30pm). Now if Cindy and Caylee did get out of the pool and Caylee was then changed into play clothes for the night since it wasn't bedtime yet. Maybe this is when OC and Cindy got into the argument about the money from OC's grandparents account. And then OC stormed out of the house in the night with Caylee after this point. To me if this did occur this way then Caylee would have still chemicals of the pool on her and so would have her clothes. Maybe this would account for the amount of chloroform that was found in the trunk. Then also this could explain also why OC may have been going to work because of George's explanation but it was for the 15th and he had inserted that Caylee was with her. jmo

[nana6]

I don't post much but Cindy's response makes my blood boil. She truly is evil to the core. jmo

Good morning. Yes, she is hard to take. imo. I too believe as another poster said that the defense will at some time in the trial bring Cindy's behavior and personality into Casey's defense. Don't ask me how. I am no attorney or psychologist but her behavior is not the norm shall we say. I think they will bring her relationship with Casey into this trial for sure adding Cindy's relationship with Caylee as more than a grandmother granddaughter relationship, exposing Cindy's need to control everyone around her and making Casey feel not competent as a mother. All of this plus the huge fight on the 15th . imo as always

[jakee]

That's the cruxed of it. George NEVER mentioned breakfast with Caylee. Anything a typical morning would consist of George NEVER mentioned. Caylee waking up early (as most 2yr olds do like when the sun comes up) bouncing out of her room, George making breakfast, putzing around with her. Nothing. His only description was of both Casey and Caylee waking up and coming out of their room shortly before noon, all dressed and backpacked up.

That's not even plausible.

Thank you! I guess I was all mixed up about the breakfast routine. Ughhh It doesn't make sense at all if Caylee was not fed anything before leaving the house. Unless Casey kept snacks in her room. :rolleyes:

[Barbara fl.]

He had way too much description about what they were wearing...she stormed out that night of the arguement i think. Funny how Cindy insisted there was NO arguement so vehemently in the depo. I remember Lee describing that arguement (was that in his depo?)...I guess he's a lair too. Did he say who told him about that?

That was very stupid for Cindy to say "that there wasn't an arguement"....when it's because of that arguement that Casey left with Caylee on that very night, not to return....I think that Cindy didn't care what she said to Morgan, she was too po'd to answer to anything for him.....

[IM4Truth]

Im4truth is pretty close to my therory...But I believe that Casey burried Caylee in the back yard the same day she murdered her....then on the 19th Casey decided to move Caylee's body and borrowed the shovel from the neighbor....(she probably had her own shovel on the 16th...but when she returned the shed was locked so she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor) she then dug up Caylee's remains and bagged them and put them in the trunk of her car, when she noticed that some bodily fluids were drpping in the trunk, she decided to triple bag it until she was able to dispose of of the body...

These bodily fluids is what caused the smell in the car to infest...then somewhere between the 19th and the 24th (24th being the day that George reported the gas cans stolen)...Casey discarded Caylee's remains down the street from where she lived.....

Now it was on the 20th that Casey stole the gas cans...because TonE had to pick her up and take her to her parents home to get the gas...

The body would not have been in the car after the 24th, because she was telling Amy about the odor in the car, she would not have taken that chance with the body still in the car....

My guess is that on the 24th when Casey went home and George couldn't get to the trunk before Casey stopped him, was the day that she discarded the body....It was too close of a call for her....

The only part that puzzles me is that George didn't remember the exact day that Casey gave him back the cans, he said he thought it to be the 24th...However, if it was the 24th George should have remembered because it was the exact day that he had reported them as stolen, so that doesn't quite add up.....

This just came to me. What was the date that Casey told Amy she finally got rid of the smell in the car by scraping the dead squirrel off the frame? Was that the same day that Tony picked her up at Amscot with groceries in hand? Casey had been home and stole food from Cindy's stinkin' fridge, maybe she dropped Caylee off in the swamp then proceeded on to the Amscot where she ditched the car?

[nana6]

That's the cruxed of it. George NEVER mentioned breakfast with Caylee. Anything a typical morning would consist of George NEVER mentioned. Caylee waking up early (as most 2yr olds do like when the sun comes up) bouncing out of her room, George making breakfast, putzing around with her. Nothing. His only description was of both Casey and Caylee waking up and coming out of their room shortly before noon, all dressed and backpacked up.

That's not even plausible.

ITA Of course not. 2 year olds are up and moving. They want something to eat BEFORE noon!!! No, that story will not fly

[really3997]

I'd like to know more about the fight that night other than it being about the money and choking Casey. I wonder if Cindy might have told her to get out and never come back, maybe trying to keep Caylee, but Casey grabbed her anyway and ran. If so, then no, Casey wouldn't have come back to stage a pool accident on the 16th. However, she could have said she came back to get her things and Caylee got out but then who put the ladder up? Dizzy, I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning, like a whirlpool........

Morning all..It was also my impression that Casey was kicked out of the house. But I don't think this was an accident at all..Someone Anyone in "that" family (if you can call it that) would have broken down by now.. No matter how you grieve.JMO

[nana6]

Thank you! I guess I was all mixed up about the breakfast routine. Ughhh It doesn't make sense at all if Caylee was not fed anything before leaving the house. Unless Casey kept snacks in her room. :rolleyes:

Hi Jakee, I hear Casey is keeping snacks in her new room now!!

[Pomme]

i also believe that cindy is in 'cover casey mode' because she confronted casey about the money issue with grandparents.

i don't think it's denial, i think it's guilt. i believe cindy thinks if she would've never confronted casey, caylee would still be here. i think she knows casey did it but maybe believes it's her fault. that's why she can come up with an excuse for every little thing in this case, as idiotic as it all sounds.

cindy's 'ugly coping' :sneaky:

I completely agree with this - I never for a moment believed that Cindy believed Casey. This is guilt - pure and simple - and shows how unbelievably selfish and self-centered Cindy is. No wonder her daughter is a psycho- or sociopath.

[Barbara fl.]

GM IM, I wanted to add my two cents to this. IIRC Cindy stated that she and Caylee were in the pool when OC came home on the night of the 15th and OC was going to join them, but Cindy told her no they were just about to get and the water was getting cold because the sun was going down (this is around 7:30pm). Now if Cindy and Caylee did get out of the pool and Caylee was then changed into play clothes for the night since it wasn't bedtime yet. Maybe this is when OC and Cindy got into the argument about the money from OC's grandparents account. And then OC stormed out of the house in the night with Caylee after this point. To me if this did occur this way then Caylee would have still chemicals of the pool on her and so would have her clothes. Maybe this would account for the amount of chloroform that was found in the trunk. Then also this could explain also why OC may have been going to work because of George's explanation but it was for the 15th and he had inserted that Caylee was with her. jmo



They could have been in the pool, but I think that when they got home from the nursing home, Cindy might have been too mad and just waited for Casey to come home....but if they did go in the pool, 7:30 pm would be too late to put cloths back on the child...her bed clothes would have been put on IMO.....I give my grandson his bath everynight at 6:30 and his bed cloths go on him...

I don't believe George that they were there the morning of the 16th...when a call was placed to Casey's cell at 7:30 am...from the home...certainly does not indicate that she was home.....JMO

[Barbara fl.]

i also believe that cindy is in 'cover casey mode' because she confronted casey about the money issue with grandparents.

i don't think it's denial, i think it's guilt. i believe cindy thinks if she would've never confronted casey, caylee would still be here. i think she knows casey did it but maybe believes it's her fault. that's why she can come up with an excuse for every little thing in this case, as idiotic as it all sounds.

cindy's 'ugly coping' :sneaky:


I believe that as well.......

[IM4Truth]

George specifically said that Casey and Caylee left out together and they had their back packs.....But that has got to be alie...I don't think Casey ever came back to that house after the fight with Cindy on the 15th....they were all wrong with the original dates, and George had it wrong.....because someone from the Anthony home called Casey's cell at 7:45AM on te 16th....it seems that someone might have been worried that she and Caylee didn't return the night before after the fight....so I truly doubt that George saw either one on the 16th....

It was probably after the 20th or so that Casey went back for the gas cans and for some cloths....jmo

The neighbor saw Casey there between the 16th and 20th when she borrowed the shovel so she was back. My question is, if someone from the home called Casey's cell at 7:45 am on the 16th, why didn't either one of them answer her calls later that day or at least return the calls if they couldn't answer immediately? Do we know if they tried to call her back later that day? Oh wait, now I'm confusing myself, the 16th was the day they picked up the car! Still if Cindy tried to call her before she left for work and Casey called her later, why didn't Cindy answer?

[Neffy]

ITA Of course not. 2 year olds are up and moving. They want something to eat BEFORE noon!!! No, that story will not fly

Yep, no pull-up change, helping in the bathroom nothing. Then the story morphs into Cindy's version where now Casey left on a bonding trip. Casey has a week or two of off work. Tampa, Jacksonville? No planning went into this trip? George claims typical day going to work, dropping Caylee off at the sitters. Fragmented stories that don't fit one another's accounts. Just like Casey.

Their answers only account for a particular time interval not more than 30 minutes. Put all the fragments together and you have impossible accurances which amount to big fat lies.

[jakee]

That was very stupid for Cindy to say "that there wasn't an arguement"....when it's because of that arguement that Casey left with Caylee on that very night, not to return....I think that Cindy didn't care what she said to Morgan, she was too po'd to answer to anything for him.....

Way back in the beginning of this whole mess, Cindy and George were on Greta's show. I remember Cindy saying that everything was calm and no angry voices raised on the 15th. I thought it was odd she mentioned it because it seemed out of the blue that she threw out that tid bit. Of course I may have read too much into it because I do believe I am becoming jaded with so many cases I follow. I should go back and watch that interview again, but I don't want to!

[Daffodil]

I agree. When I was an EMT, we responded to an assist LE check on the welfare call. The neighbors were concerned because their neighbor's dog was howling and had been for several hours. It was an eerie sound from outside the house. The dog was mourning the death of his owner.

I think the A's dogs may have responded in a similar way. Maybe whining and whimpering at the playhouse because they smelled the death of a loved one. Cindy may have waved it off with thinking the dogs missed Caylee not being home.

jmo



Maybe they didn't just wave it off. Maybe that is when they went out to check. And maybe, just maybe that is when they first actually did discover Caylee's body. This scenario makes so much sense to me right now. We all seem to agree that they knew Caylee was dead. It will explain Cindy's mypsace of July 3rd. It will explain thier statement of looking in their own backyard. That is when they began to mourn (if possible by them) and went into CMA mode. That could also explain why they were so nervous going to pick up the car from Amscot. They probably thought Caylee was still in the trunk. They probably told Casey to clean up the mess she created.

[nana6]

The neighbor saw Casey there between the 16th and 20th when she borrowed the shovel so she was back. My question is, if someone from the home called Casey's cell at 7:45 am on the 16th, why didn't either one of them answer her calls later that day or at least return the calls if they couldn't answer immediately? Do we know if they tried to call her back later that day? Oh wait, now I'm confusing myself, the 16th was the day they picked up the car! Still if Cindy tried to call her before she left for work and Casey called her later, why didn't Cindy answer?

Maybe she was just acting pissy

[jakee]

Hi Jakee, I hear Casey is keeping snacks in her new room now!!

:biggrin: Yes, she sure is!

[Patty437]

I'm still mortified that anyone could pick up a car at the tow yard, smell the smell, find items that belonged to both Casey and Caylee inside the car, not know where they were, take the car home, then return to work (cindy), and not immediately call police.

[IM4Truth]

Maybe she was just acting pissy

Surely not Cindy???

[tomsgirl]

Cindy's response to Anakerie is Cindy to the T!

Is there anywhere that I can read this response. I'm behind on everything, but would really like to read Cindy's reply. If you can't post it on here, can you pm me?? please , please TY

[Pam1569]

They could have been in the pool, but I think that when they got home from the nursing home, Cindy might have been too mad and just waited for Casey to come home....but if they did go in the pool, 7:30 pm would be too late to put cloths back on the child...her bed clothes would have been put on IMO.....I give my grandson his bath everynight at 6:30 and his bed cloths go on him...

I don't believe George that they were there the morning of the 16th...when a call was placed to Casey's cell at 7:30 am...from the home...certainly does not indicate that she was home.....JMO

GM Barbara, I agree that we as normal parents and grandparents have children that age dressed for bed and in bed by 8pm. But this isn't a normal situation imo. Caylee always slept with OC and I can see OC keeping that poor little Caylee up to 11pm at least. IIRC Cindy said that she and Caylee were home in Orlando by 4:30pm so then they would have been in the pool when OC came home at 7:30pm. jmo It is just so frustrating to put reason into this case when so many lies have come out of this family. :sad:

[nana6]

I'm still mortified that anyone could pick up a car at the tow yard, smell the smell, find items that belonged to both Casey and Caylee inside the car, not know where they were, take the car home, then return to work (cindy), and not immediately call police.

Hi Patty, How about not even getting into the car when you smell that smell? They never ever should have left that tow yard with that smell in it. They should have immediately called LE.. They KNEW THEN what had happened imo

[IM4Truth]

I'm still mortified that anyone could pick up a car at the tow yard, smell the smell, find items that belonged to both Casey and Caylee inside the car, not know where they were, take the car home, then return to work (cindy), and not immediately call police.

We are all mortified by that. Smell of death, car in Orlando not in Jacksonville, no Casey, no Caylee......just go to work as if nothing happened. What is wrong with these people??? I would have been in a panick! Didn't Cindy call Casey and left a message about needing to talk to her about something important? Why am I reliving this case as if I have nothing else to do????

[nana6]

Is there anywhere that I can read this response. I'm behind on everything, but would really like to read Cindy's reply. If you can't post it on here, can you pm me?? please , please TY

Hi, If you go to post 31 from today you can get it there.

[Dick Tracy]

I agree. When I was an EMT, we responded to an assist LE check on the welfare call. The neighbors were concerned because their neighbor's dog was howling and had been for several hours. It was an eerie sound from outside the house. The dog was mourning the death of his owner.

I think the A's dogs may have responded in a similar way. Maybe whining and whimpering at the playhouse because they smelled the death of a loved one. Cindy may have waved it off with thinking the dogs missed Caylee not being home.

jmo

Desmom - Good morning... I don't believe the Ant's had a pet or specifically, a dog.

[Patty437]

Hi Patty, How about not even getting into the car when you smell that smell? They never ever should have left that tow yard with that smell in it. They should have immediately called LE.. They KNEW THEN what had happened imo

Cindy's explanation to co-workers as I recall was that she wanted to let Casey explain it, but my gosh, she didn't know where she was...how could you wait? It was only by accident that she found a paper with Amy's name on it in the car.

[nana6]

Desmom - Good morning... I don't believe the Ant's had a pet or specifically, a dog.

They have two little dogs.

[Scampi]

IIRC, george actually took LE to an area behind the pool and showed them an area where the soil had been disturbed. In one of the document releases it described how long and deep this area was. That was when george was truly interested in the truth.

I agree with Des, I think photos of that laundry satchel at the crimescene made it painfully clear to george that casey murdered Caylee and that is why he attempted "suicide."

[AMS]

Is there anywhere that I can read this response. I'm behind on everything, but would really like to read Cindy's reply. If you can't post it on here, can you pm me?? please , please TY

Good morning. Goback to post #10 from this morning. There is a link in that post. Click on the link and enjoy!

imo

[IM4Truth]

Desmom - Good morning... I don't believe the Ant's had a pet or specifically, a dog.

Yes they 2 or 3 little fu-fu type doggies, one I think is Tinkerbell.

[nana6]

bbl friends play nicely so we can stay open:smile:

[bchand]

They have two little dogs.

and a cat.

[Pam1569]

Hi Patty, How about not even getting into the car when you smell that smell? They never ever should have left that tow yard with that smell in it. They should have immediately called LE.. They KNEW THEN what had happened imo

GM nana6, ITA they should have called then but imo they have known since July 3rd at least imo. That is why when they did pick the car up at the tow yard on the 15th of July that Cindy texted OC "Major prob call ASAP".

[Daffodil]

IIRC, george actually took LE to an area behind the pool and showed them an area where the soil had been disturbed. In one of the document releases it described how long and deep this area was. That was when george was truly interested in the truth.

I agree with Des, I think photos of that laundry satchel at the crimescene made it painfully clear to george that casey murdered Caylee and that is why he attempted "suicide."

Do you remember that Cindy was doing a lot of yard work on her vacation? I wonder why? I wonder if they dug up dirt near where they found Caylee's body and got rid of it. Maybe they also put fresh dirt down by that bush that looked disturbed.

[AMS]

Do you remember that Cindy was doing a lot of yard work on her vacation? I wonder why? I wonder if they dug up dirt near where they found Caylee's body and got rid of it. Maybe they also put fresh dirt down by that bush that looked disturbed.

Where is kitty this morning? She always claimed that the bush held some clues. Dig up that bush!!!

imo

[IM4Truth]

GM nana6, ITA they should have called then but imo they have known since July 3rd at least imo. That is why when they did pick the car up at the tow yard on the 15th of July that Cindy texted OC "Major prob call ASAP".

Someone made a very good point earlier (think it was last night, I'm losing track), if Cindy was that worried by July 3rd why didn't she call the nanny? She told LE she had the number! Didn't it turn out to be Rick Morales number, just as the photo was his apt? OMG have they pointed the finger at him yet?

[Dick Tracy]

They have two little dogs.

I didn't know this. First I've heard... DOH!

[IM4Truth]

Do you remember that Cindy was doing a lot of yard work on her vacation? I wonder why? I wonder if they dug up dirt near where they found Caylee's body and got rid of it. Maybe they also put fresh dirt down by that bush that looked disturbed.

That doesn't fit into the timeline. Cindy was on vaction prior to finding the body of death car. All the while believing Casey was on her own vacation.

[Neffy]

Desmom - Good morning... I don't believe the Ant's had a pet or specifically, a dog.

:confused: Two dogs.

[really3997]

That doesn't fit into the timeline. Cindy was on vaction prior to finding the body of death car. All the while believing Casey was on her own vacation.

I thought they did yard work on the 4th of July weekend IIRC

[Neffy]

and a cat.

:seeya: Always forget about that cat.

[IM4Truth]

I didn't know this. First I've heard... DOH!

Doggy notes: Photos with doggies in them (even one with the cat I think). Mallory going to the house to feed the doggies when the A's were on LKL first time. Video of A's leaving home after the first LKL show taking the doggies with them back to the Ritz because LE had torn their house apart while they were out of town and Caylee's remains were found.

[IM4Truth]

I thought they did yard work on the 4th of July weekend IIRC

Maybe, but the car with the smell of death wasn't found until July 16th so they wouldn't have been looking for or moving a body then.

[AMS]

I didn't know this. First I've heard... DOH!

Yorkies! IIRC they A's said that Caylee loved to play with the dogs.

imo

[Scampi]

Do you remember that Cindy was doing a lot of yard work on her vacation? I wonder why? I wonder if they dug up dirt near where they found Caylee's body and got rid of it. Maybe they also put fresh dirt down by that bush that looked disturbed.

Yes, she was. Even hurt her neck and couldn't move properly according to the records. I do not believe cindy or george found Caylee's body tho.

Kitty had the nerve to leave us and go on a mini vacation. :glare:

The anthony's have two Yorkshire terriers.

[AMS]

:seeya: Always forget about that cat.

Oh yeah. Me too. Now I recall the interview with Greta in their house and the cat was standing in the middle of the table.

[IM4Truth]

Yorkies! IIRC they A's said that Caylee loved to play with the dogs.

imo

If only those little dogs could tell us the story!!! Don't you hate it when you know that a dog knows something by the look in their eye and their actions? They try so hard to tell you something!

[really3997]

Maybe, but the car with the smell of death wasn't found until July 16th so they wouldn't have been looking for or moving a body then.

I know, but Cindy's posting was July 3 and I always found that to be strange JMO of course

[bchand]

Oh yeah. Me too. Now I recall the interview with Greta in their house and the cat was standing in the middle of the table.

and at least one of the dogs was walking on the back of the sofa during the interview. The other was in a photo with Cindy sitting on the floor in Caylee's room with the dog on her bed.

[IM4Truth]

:seeya: Always forget about that cat.

I think that is why I was thinking 3 dogs, but it's 2 dogs and a cat. I always forget the cat too. Doesn't seem that the cat played any major roll here, might even get left out of the movie!!!

[really3997]

Yes, she was. Even hurt her neck and couldn't move properly according to the records. I do not believe cindy or george found Caylee's body tho.

Kitty had the nerve to leave us and go on a mini vacation. :glare:

The anthony's have two Yorkshire terriers.

She is not gardening in Orlando is she...:sneaky:

[msgatorslayer]

Cindy's explanation to co-workers as I recall was that she wanted to let Casey explain it, but my gosh, she didn't know where she was...how could you wait? It was only by accident that she found a paper with Amy's name on it in the car.

Morning, all.

Another one of those hinky things that says alot.

When a child, even adult childs car breaks down, runs outta gas, etc, if all was peachy within the relationship, the child would be calling parents for help. In this case, the car belongs to the parents anyway and Casey lives with her parents.

Caesy didn't call ma and pa cause it stunk, she was suppose to be outta town, and she was trying to evade them.

Cindy's reality is whatever Casey wants to tell her. Cindy is not a stupid woman but something about Casey turns her into Dumbo. Cindy had to have known that something was seriously wrong. Why was her Daughter lying about being outta town? Why was her Daughter withholding Caylee from her? Why did her Daughter allow the car to stay there so long that it was towed? And most importantly, why did it smell like a dead body had been in the dam car?

Knowing all that, she still had to wait to see what her psycho Daughter had to say.:rolleyes:

[Neffy]

Oh yeah. Me too. Now I recall the interview with Greta in their house and the cat was standing in the middle of the table.

Yea, I don't recall the Anthony's ever mentioning a cat. If it weren't for the photo's would never even know they had one. I recall a pic of the cat in Cindy's bedroom I believe.

[Daffodil]

That doesn't fit into the timeline. Cindy was on vaction prior to finding the body of death car. All the while believing Casey was on her own vacation.


But, I'm saying that she (and possibly George) found Caylee's body on the 15th or 16th because their dogs went crazy barking at the playhouse, sandbox or bush where Casey left Caylee's body. So, I believe that Cindy (and possibly George) knew right from the start. That is why she (or they) did so much yard work. They knew that LE dogs would hit on the spot where Caylee's body was. I think Cindy probably also told Casey to get rid of the body and make it all go away. She probably even told her to just pretend there never was a Caylee. This also explains why they had to explain why they didn't go to Amscot right away. Do you remember they said the notice was left at the front door which they never use. I hope the police interviewed the mailman as to where he left the notice.

Cindy was proably furious with Casey because she wanted to know that Casey took care of it. That is why she never mentioned that her grandchild was missing until the third call to 911. She wanted to know where Casey put her. So I don't know if the whole family is in on this or just Cindy and Casey.

[IM4Truth]

I know, but Cindy's posting was July 3 and I always found that to be strange JMO of course

My thoughts on that are that Casey & Caylee had been gone for about a month by then and Casey wouldn't let Cindy talk to Caylee on the phone. I don't think death even entered into Cindy's mind at that time even though she refers to wondering who was watching over her angel. I think she was just worried that Casey may never come back home and bring Caylee. Since Cindy watched Caylee so much she wondered who else besides Casey would be watching over her.

[AMS]

and at least one of the dogs was walking on the back of the sofa during the interview. The other was in a photo with Cindy sitting on the floor in Caylee's room with the dog on her bed.

Remember the story from the neighbor telling that Casey was walking one of the dogs and it pooped on the neighbor's lawn. The neighbor said something to Caylee and she denied it was her dog's poop even though she was with the dog and the neighbor saw it happen. Something along those lines IIRC. Can you imagine...she lied!!! :sneaky:

imo

[IM4Truth]

She is not gardening in Orlando is she...:sneaky:

Drive by their quick and try to peek in the back yard!

[IM4Truth]

Morning, all.

Another one of those hinky things that says alot.

When a child, even adult childs car breaks down, runs outta gas, etc, if all was peachy within the relationship, the child would be calling parents for help. In this case, the car belongs to the parents anyway and Casey lives with her parents.

Caesy didn't call ma and pa cause it stunk, she was suppose to be outta town, and she was trying to evade them.

Cindy's reality is whatever Casey wants to tell her. Cindy is not a stupid woman but something about Casey turns her into Dumbo. Cindy had to have known that something was seriously wrong. Why was her Daughter lying about being outta town? Why was her Daughter withholding Caylee from her? Why did her Daughter allow the car to stay there so long that it was towed? And most importantly, why did it smell like a dead body had been in the dam car?

Knowing all that, she still had to wait to see what her psycho Daughter had to say.:rolleyes:

Sad isn't it? She still wanted to hear Casey's side of the story.

[desmom]

Desmom - Good morning... I don't believe the Ant's had a pet or specifically, a dog.

They have 2 yorkshire type dogs, Tinker & Tillie. The dogs can be seen in the August 5 video with Greta.

Transcript: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee

Part 1 http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2963775&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee

Part 2 http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2963763&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee

[msgatorslayer]

Sad isn't it? She still wanted to hear Casey's side of the story.

It's like she needs Casey to reassure her that she's wrong.:confused:

[really3997]

Drive by their quick and try to peek in the back yard!

Not with those fort knox camera's around the house..

[panokatana]

Morning, all...

I was catching up on back posts and I saw where AnniePooh had a response from Cindy regarding AnniePooh's post on the "Foundation."
The thing that struck me was that AnniePooh said she woke up that morning to find the response...and I thought "That's Cindy...probably first thing she does each and every morning...check the foundation page for donations...the way some of us check our bank accounts for the balance before making a big purchase."
THEN I saw Anakerie's "blog" and it blew me away...
Cindy asking if she were overweight!! Can you imagine? I note that Casey was a devout blogger and Cindy was certainly blogging away on MySpace about her "My Caylee is Missing"... ohhhh...but she WEIGHED MORE in those days...OMG...there must be a connection, then!!

I'm hoping the jury consists of at least a couple of "overweight, friendless, bloggers."

JMO

[IM4Truth]

But, I'm saying that she (and possibly George) found Caylee's body on the 15th or 16th because their dogs went crazy barking at the playhouse, sandbox or bush where Casey left Caylee's body. So, I believe that Cindy (and possibly George) knew right from the start. That is why she (or they) did so much yard work. They knew that LE dogs would hit on the spot where Caylee's body was. I think Cindy probably also told Casey to get rid of the body and make it all go away. She probably even told her to just pretend there never was a Caylee. This also explains why they had to explain why they didn't go to Amscot right away. Do you remember they said the notice was left at the front door which they never use. I hope the police interviewed the mailman as to where he left the notice.

Cindy was proably furious with Casey because she wanted to know that Casey took care of it. That is why she never mentioned that her grandchild was missing until the third call to 911. She wanted to know where Casey put her. So I don't know if the whole family is in on this or just Cindy and Casey.

It's just Casey. It didn't really hit Cindy until she was on the 911 call. You could hear it in her voice as those calls progressed. I don't believe for one second that any of them knew anything about Caylee's death until after July 16th.

[really3997]

Morning, all...

I was catching up on back posts and I saw where AnniePooh had a response from Cindy regarding AnniePooh's post on the "Foundation."
The thing that struck me was that AnniePooh said she woke up that morning to find the response...and I thought "That's Cindy...probably first thing she does each and every morning...check the foundation page for donations...the way some of us check our bank accounts for the balance before making a big purchase."
THEN I saw Anakerie's "blog" and it blew me away...
Cindy asking if she were overweight!! Can you imagine? I note that Casey was a devout blogger and Cindy was certainly blogging away on MySpace about her "My Caylee is Missing"... ohhhh...but she WEIGHED MORE in those days...OMG...there must be a connection, then!!

I'm hoping the jury consists of at least a couple of "overweight, friendless, bloggers."

JMO

Don't forget sad:crying:

[IM4Truth]

Not with those fort knox camera's around the house..

Are there still cameras around the house or just the one Dominic installed on the front door. Wasn't their a camera on a pole across the street the LE put up at one time? Here's what you need to do. Park your car somewhere and take a leisurely stroll down the block!!! Check it all out. LOL

[Daffodil]

It's just Casey. It didn't really hit Cindy until she was on the 911 call. You could hear it in her voice as those calls progressed. I don't believe for one second that any of them knew anything about Caylee's death until after July 16th.



I wish I could stay here and debate this but I am still im jammies, need coffe and read paper then grocery shopping!!!

I'll be back later today.

I think they disburted that bush on purpose to show that, look there was dirt disturbed and the dogs didn't hit on that, so there LE!!! Your dogs are no good.

[msgatorslayer]

Are there still cameras around the house or just the one Dominic installed on the front door. Wasn't their a camera on a pole across the street the LE put up at one time? Here's what you need to do. Park your car somewhere and take a leisurely stroll down the block!!! Check it all out. LOL

Pose as a meter reader. :lol:

[bchand]

Remember the story from the neighbor telling that Casey was walking one of the dogs and it pooped on the neighbor's lawn. The neighbor said something to Caylee and she denied it was her dog's poop even though she was with the dog and the neighbor saw it happen. Something along those lines IIRC. Can you imagine...she lied!!! :sneaky:

imo

You mean someone in the Anthony household would lie in the face of overwhelming "facts?" Naaaaaa

[IM4Truth]

I wish I could stay here and debate this but I am still im jammies, need coffe and read paper then grocery shopping!!!

I'll be back later today.

I think they disburted that bush on purpose to show that, look there was dirt disturbed and the dogs didn't hit on that, so there LE!!! Your dogs are no good.

But dogs don't just hit on disturbed dirt if there is no human decomp there. Maye they are dumb enough to think that though! I can't hang around either for much longer, too much to do myself.

[IM4Truth]

Pose as a meter reader. :lol:

:thumbsup: Good one!

[bchand]

Morning, all...

I was catching up on back posts and I saw where AnniePooh had a response from Cindy regarding AnniePooh's post on the "Foundation."
The thing that struck me was that AnniePooh said she woke up that morning to find the response...and I thought "That's Cindy...probably first thing she does each and every morning...check the foundation page for donations...the way some of us check our bank accounts for the balance before making a big purchase."
THEN I saw Anakerie's "blog" and it blew me away...
Cindy asking if she were overweight!! Can you imagine? I note that Casey was a devout blogger and Cindy was certainly blogging away on MySpace about her "My Caylee is Missing"... ohhhh...but she WEIGHED MORE in those days...OMG...there must be a connection, then!!

I'm hoping the jury consists of at least a couple of "overweight, friendless, bloggers."

JMO

Morning panokatana - I've been thinking about voir doir and I just know one of the questions will be "are you a blogger?"

[panokatana]

Don't forget sad:crying:

Oh yeah. Interestingly, how bloggers can be sad...and Cindy doesn't appear to be all that sad these days. Healthy, tan...BMI probably where it should be... just seems so...wrong.

JMO

[desmom]

It's just Casey. It didn't really hit Cindy until she was on the 911 call. You could hear it in her voice as those calls progressed. I don't believe for one second that any of them knew anything about Caylee's death until after July 16th.

I agree, but was she afraid because Caylee was missing or what she feared Casey had done to Caylee? Remember Lee's interview with LE on 7/29:

Lee told LE, page 12 http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540065.pdf "...she comes into the room, sees that my sister was crying and she said, and actually the first thing that she asked her, she says, "What have you done?"...That's the first question that my mom asks her."

[~jomomma~]

Pose as a meter reader. :lol:

oh my gosh! :laugh:


:lol:

[jammies]

Just throwing this out there,

Isn't is odd that the only thing they have EVER mentioned Caylee saying is about Zanny's dog.

[IM4Truth]

Morning panokatana - I've been thinking about voir doir and I just know one of the questions will be "are you a blogger?"

Oh I'm sure! Did any of that come up in SP case? Do you think defense can request email addys for potential jurors to verify?

[Neffy]

Morning panokatana - I've been thinking about voir doir and I just know one of the questions will be "are you a blogger?"

:laugh: :thumbup: And I standing proud. Running out for milkshakes to fit the profile now! I may not be believed if they see me. Note to self: Remember to were Neffy shirt :lol:

[really3997]

Are there still cameras around the house or just the one Dominic installed on the front door. Wasn't their a camera on a pole across the street the LE put up at one time? Here's what you need to do. Park your car somewhere and take a leisurely stroll down the block!!! Check it all out. LOL

The camera on pole from LE was removed on the street, however the one still remains by the memorial. The cameras that DC put up were all around the house not just by front door...I was on the block that day and the people that were there were talking about it..

[jakee]

But dogs don't just hit on disturbed dirt if there is no human decomp there. Maye they are dumb enough to think that though! I can't hang around either for much longer, too much to do myself.

Didn't George and Cindy claim the decomp smell the dogs could have hit on was George's sweat? I seem to recall something about that. I think Cindy called into NG one night and tried to debate with a Doctor about this. Am I way off here?

[IM4Truth]

I agree, but was she afraid because Caylee was missing or what she feared Casey had done to Caylee? Remember Lee's interview with LE on 7/29:

Lee told LE, page 12 http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540065.pdf "...she comes into the room, sees that my sister was crying and she said, and actually the first thing that she asked her, she says, "What have you done?"...That's the first question that my mom asks her."

Exactly! That is the point of realization. I was debating with another poster of whether Cindy & George had been doing yard work prior to that and found and moved the body.

[IM4Truth]

Just throwing this out there,

Isn't is odd that the only thing they have EVER mentioned Caylee saying is about Zanny's dog.

Maybe desmom can pull that up. Seems to me like Caylee mentioned a puppy and someone, G or C asked her if Zanny had a puppy. I wish we knew when that was because I think the puppy was the one Amy had on a leash at the BBQ at Lauren's bf house.

[IM4Truth]

Didn't George and Cindy claim the decomp smell the dogs could have hit on was George's sweat? I seem to recall something about that. I think Cindy called into NG one night and tried to debate with a Doctor about this. Am I way off here?

I don't remember hearing that at all......but I suspect you are not way off base at all!! It is probably something I just missed! Another "I can't believe this"!!!

[msgatorslayer]

Didn't George and Cindy claim the decomp smell the dogs could have hit on was George's sweat? I seem to recall something about that. I think Cindy called into NG one night and tried to debate with a Doctor about this. Am I way off here?

Yup, I remember it.

She may as well say that Casey's REAL job was a scientist and her secret project was new line of Decomp Smellin perfume.

George's sweat, right!!! That's it!! Like the dog wouldn't start following his own handler since he's sweating while running after a perp.:rolleyes:

[bchand]

Oh I'm sure! Did any of that come up in SP case? Do you think defense can request email addys for potential jurors to verify?

I can't remember which show it was but a Talking Head said the lawyers will do an online search for the juror's names. Remember, this is supposedly one of Jose's area of expertise - internet searching.

I don't know if they can get email addresses given to them or not. Good questions for Katprint or Lapis ( when she returns ).

[IM4Truth]

Yup, I remember it.

She may as well say that Casey's REAL job was a scientist and her secret project was new line of Decomp Smellin perfume.

George's sweat, right!!! That's it!! Like the dog wouldn't start following his own handler since he's sweating while running after a perp.:rolleyes:

I get it, not only does her fridge smell like human decomp but so does her husband!!

[jakee]

Yup, I remember it.

She may as well say that Casey's REAL job was a scientist and her secret project was new line of Decomp Smellin perfume.

George's sweat, right!!! That's it!! Like the dog wouldn't start following his own handler since he's sweating while running after a perp.:rolleyes:

Oh thank you for remembering this absurd sweat story. I was going crazy. I cannot believe they would actually think sweat could be mistaken for decomp. I am not the smartest person, but jeepers, even I would think that those dogs would be hitting everywhere, on every piece of land if that were true.

Decomp smelling perfume! hehehehe

[IM4Truth]

I can't remember which show it was but a Talking Head said the lawyers will do an online search for the juror's names. Remember, this is supposedly one of Jose's area of expertise - internet searching.

I don't know if they can get email addresses given to them or not. Good questions for Katprint or Lapis ( when she returns ).

Would an online search of a person's real name link it back to a blog though? Unless that person had a personal blog? I'm over and out for awhile, will pop in later.

[jakee]

I get it, not only does her fridge smell like human decomp but so does her husband!!

:laugh: I can't believe she said that about her fridge! ughhhh

[bchand]

Didn't George and Cindy claim the decomp smell the dogs could have hit on was George's sweat? I seem to recall something about that. I think Cindy called into NG one night and tried to debate with a Doctor about this. Am I way off here?

You're correct jakee. Just another night she made a fool of herself.

[spiritwolf46]

Omg you guys! I JUST read Anakerie's open letter and what Cindy wrote back to her!

DID YOU GAIN WEIGHT??? What the he77 kind of question is THAT? She is such a vile woman! I would have written her and told her that though we may be bloggers/posters, we also have a life. We have a life because we are LAW ABIDING citizens, not murderers and we are free to do as we wish in between posts. Not so for her daughter, who murdered an innocent, almost 3 yrs old, and now, not only has no life, but has porked out on pork rinds at that. I am thinking that she just may be a little mixed up. Okay, a LOT mixed up!

Hateful to the core, that creature is! JUST LIKE her OC daughter! Every time I see or hear these people and what comes out of their mouths, for a split second, I almost have a twinge of sympathy for the OC! It goes away soon enough, but I can truly see how she became the horror show that she did. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out!

GREAT JOB Anakerie! LOVED IT! :wub:

[Neffy]

I get it, not only does her fridge smell like human decomp but so does her husband!!

Exactly. I mean c'mon already. How low can one go. Cindy has no bounds of stupidity, integrity or credibility. But she believes she looks good while doing it. I think she should pull out that snazzy dress she wore for Ricks wedding for her next cameo. :laugh:

[IM4Truth]

I just googled my own name and saw there are many more people with the same name. I did see myspace page there and a link to a poetry book that I self-published for a bf though! This internet age is scarey to say the least!

[IM4Truth]

I just googled my own name and saw there are many more people with the same name. I did see myspace page there and a link to a poetry book that I self-published for a bf though! This internet age is scarey to say the least!

Now I googled my nic and see someone else has stolen my identity to post elsewhere! LOL

[OCD4Crime]

I just googled my own name and saw there are many more people with the same name. I did see myspace page there and a link to a poetry book that I self-published for a bf though! This internet age is scarey to say the least!

I just googled my name and it seems that I am deceased. :ohmy:

[spiritwolf46]

Exactly. I mean c'mon already. How low can one go. Cindy has no bounds of stupidity, integrity or credibility. But she believes she looks good while doing it. I think she should pull out that snazzy dress she wore for Ricks wedding for her next cameo. :laugh:

Snazzy dress! ROFL!

Get her a pair of white patent leather go-go boots with some extra large white hoop earrings, belt and bangles and she is good to go!

[Anakerie]

Would an online search of a person's real name link it back to a blog though? Unless that person had a personal blog? I'm over and out for awhile, will pop in later.
I just googled my own name and it doesn't link back to my Anakerie blog... I could probably track it back by following some of the links, like one of the many that popped up for Facebook, but there are too many other women with the same name as mine.. So the odds for someone who doesn't really know me tracking me back to my blog would be pretty small...

[summer4meplz]

That doesn't fit into the timeline. Cindy was on vaction prior to finding the body of death car. All the while believing Casey was on her own vacation.

good morning all....IIRC...:smile:sorry no link....but george did some concrete work over the 4th of July weekend.....

[~jomomma~]

Didn't George and Cindy claim the decomp smell the dogs could have hit on was George's sweat? I seem to recall something about that. I think Cindy called into NG one night and tried to debate with a Doctor about this. Am I way off here?

yes! iirc...she said sweat and/or blood because george had cut himself

[summer4meplz]

I just googled my name and it seems that I am deceased. :ohmy:


oh my goodness.......:scared:

[spiritwolf46]

good morning all....IIRC...:smile:sorry no link....but george did some concrete work over the 4th of July weekend.....

He sure did! I remember that very well.

[bluwaters]

Maybe desmom can pull that up. Seems to me like Caylee mentioned a puppy and someone, G or C asked her if Zanny had a puppy. I wish we knew when that was because I think the puppy was the one Amy had on a leash at the BBQ at Lauren's bf house.
but, but, Caylee told Cindy it was a pomeranian...:w00t:

[Anakerie]

Omg you guys! I JUST read Anakerie's open letter and what Cindy wrote back to her!

DID YOU GAIN WEIGHT??? What the he77 kind of question is THAT? She is such a vile woman! I would have written her and told her that though we may be bloggers/posters, we also have a life. We have a life because we are LAW ABIDING citizens, not murderers and we are free to do as we wish in between posts. Not so for her daughter, who murdered an innocent, almost 3 yrs old, and now, not only has no life, but has porked out on pork rinds at that. I am thinking that she just may be a little mixed up. Okay, a LOT mixed up!

Hateful to the core, that creature is! JUST LIKE her OC daughter! Every time I see or hear these people and what comes out of their mouths, for a split second, I almost have a twinge of sympathy for the OC! It goes away soon enough, but I can truly see how she became the horror show that she did. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out!

GREAT JOB Anakerie! LOVED IT! :wub:
:blushing: Thank you Spirit.. And thank you to everyone else that have written such nice comments about my blog posts.. All I did was vent a bit with the open letter, and then when that reply came in, I just had to respond to her. I don't anticipate any further communication from her... lol, Hopefully she'll just go find someone else to attack...

[summer4meplz]

I don't remember hearing that at all......but I suspect you are not way off base at all!! It is probably something I just missed! Another "I can't believe this"!!!


I THINK cindy said that when she was showing greta around her backyard....iirc

[desmom]

Maybe desmom can pull that up. Seems to me like Caylee mentioned a puppy and someone, G or C asked her if Zanny had a puppy. I wish we knew when that was because I think the puppy was the one Amy had on a leash at the BBQ at Lauren's bf house.

08/11/08 Caylee Talked About Zanny's Puppy
(2:13 on the clock clip from Greta's show)
http://video.filestube.com/video,b2cdbf5cb5111a3d03e9.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/
Monday, April 20, 2009 6 PM ET - Here are some highlights of the contradictions lawyers for Zenaida Gonzalez will pinpoint from George and Cindy Anthony's depositions several days ago..... On videotape, Cindy Anthony says Caylee talked about Zanny the nanny's dog, but George Anthony told FBI Caylee never mentioned a Zanny and did not show any reaction to the mention of Zanny's name.

Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:30 PM ET Under oath today, grandmother Cindy Anthony says she had contact number and addresses for "Zanny the nanny" but never once tried to call Caylee's so-called babysitter. She also claims little Caylee talked about Zanny's dog, calling it "the new puppy" and describing it as a little white dog.

Cindy's depo: beginning on Page 26 http://www.forthepeople.com/CAnthony-Depo.pdf

Q Let me expand that question out a little bit. Is there any other person besides your daughter that has told you that they have met or seen Zanny?
A No, but Caylee talked about Zanny's dog.
Q We'll get to that in a second.
A She's another person.
Q I appreciate that. I just want to be clear.
A If there's a dog that belongs to Zanny, then there must be a Zanny.
Q Fair enough. Besides your daughter and Caylee saying that about the dog, okay, is there any other adult that has said to you I have met Zanny or I know who she is?
A Not that I'm aware of.
Q I'm just going to hit this briefly on this point. You said Caylee talked about the dog. Describe for me what time period we're talking about that was.
A Probably sometime between March and May of 2008.
Q March and May --
A May have been even before that.
Q Anything else besides the statement about the dog?
A She talked about her dog.
Q Okay.
A Caylee loved dogs.
Q So I assume there is a statement about the dog and that would be the extent of it?
A Uh-huh.

[spiritwolf46]

I just googled my name and it seems that I am deceased. :ohmy:

:ohmy:

Is there anything that we can do for your family?

[IM4Truth]

but, but, Caylee told Cindy it was a pomeranian...:w00t:

Caylee could say the word "pomeranian"? I can barely spell it!

[spiritwolf46]

:blushing: Thank you Spirit.. And thank you to everyone else that have written such nice comments about my blog posts.. All I did was vent a bit with the open letter, and then when that reply came in, I just had to respond to her. I don't anticipate any further communication from her... lol, Hopefully she'll just go find someone else to attack...

Bolding mine:

You are VERY welcome and boy, don't you know that she will find someone else!

GREAT job again!

Man, she is awful! :sneaky:

[IM4Truth]

He sure did! I remember that very well.

Yes but we were discussing whether or not the A's may have found Caylee's body and moved it at that time. The only way that could be true is if they thought they could get by with it until the car was found with the human decomp odor. If that was all true wouldn't they have just reported the car stolen and then drove it into a canal or burned it?

[summer4meplz]

:blushing: Thank you Spirit.. And thank you to everyone else that have written such nice comments about my blog posts.. All I did was vent a bit with the open letter, and then when that reply came in, I just had to respond to her. I don't anticipate any further communication from her... lol, Hopefully she'll just go find someone else to attack...


Hi Ana...I love your blog...I tried to leave a message with my name but I just couldn't get it to post so I signed anon but left my name in my post lol....

[nanieliz]

True, but she may have laid the body down on the ground thinking she was going to dig a grave and found out how hard it was. Those dogs hit on the back yard in a couple of places, near the playhouse, and I believe near the sandbox. She might not have left her overnight. But even George and Cindy admitted to checking under the playhouse after smelling the car!


See there are so many things CA & GA can't change! After smelling the car,knowing they had talked,seen,texted Casey....THEY were LOOKING for a DEAD CAYLEE!

They knew! Caylee is/was the only one missing from the family. It's why that evening Cindy was in panic mode.

Nanieliz

[spiritwolf46]

Yes but we were discussing whether or not the A's may have found Caylee's body and moved it at that time. The only way that could be true is if they thought they could get by with it until the car was found with the human decomp odor. If that was all true wouldn't they have just reported the car stolen and then drove it into a canal or burned it?

One would think so. I don't think that if they found Caylee prior, they would put her so close to their house.

[IM4Truth]

See there are so many things CA & GA can't change! After smelling the car,knowing they had talked,seen,texted Casey....THEY were LOOKING for a DEAD CAYLEE!

They knew! Caylee is/was the only one missing from the family. It's why that evening Cindy was in panic mode.

Nanieliz

Agreed! With that, it is almost noon and I am way past my deadline for being a lazy blogger today! But'll be back on my lazy azz later, you can bet on it!

[desmom]

Didn't George and Cindy claim the decomp smell the dogs could have hit on was George's sweat? I seem to recall something about that. I think Cindy called into NG one night and tried to debate with a Doctor about this. Am I way off here?

Cindy brought up the sweat thing a couple of times:

Larry King 7/29/08 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/29/lkl.01.html

Cindy: I was told today -- can I ask a question? I was told today, sir, that sweat in that car could also be construed as decomposition. Is that true?

Spitz: No, that's entirely different. Sweat or those kinds of body fluids are not the same thing as decomposing tissue or the decompositional fluid that is generated from a body.

Greta's Show 08/14/08 (6:47) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuytbDbzIOk
(ETA ~ bush was moved video)
She also mentioned in a couple of local media interviews. jmo

[CeruleanBleu]

Oh thank you for remembering this absurd sweat story. I was going crazy. I cannot believe they would actually think sweat could be mistaken for decomp. I am not the smartest person, but jeepers, even I would think that those dogs would be hitting everywhere, on every piece of land if that were true.

Decomp smelling perfume! hehehehe

She's not very bright, nowhere near as bright as she seems to think she is. I remember her calling in to NG also, she was talking crazy about sweat/blood and Caylee peeing around her playhouse. Considering the fact that she has had some education and being a nurse, albeit a desk job, she should know something about human decomposition. I find her brash, self absorbed and overall disgusting.

[jammies]

See there are so many things CA & GA can't change! After smelling the car,knowing they had talked,seen,texted Casey....THEY were LOOKING for a DEAD CAYLEE!

They knew! Caylee is/was the only one missing from the family. It's why that evening Cindy was in panic mode.

Nanieliz



Exactly, Nan. They even came up with their own scenarios of what happened and where they thought she was buried: pool, backyard.

[Barbara fl.]

The neighbor saw Casey there between the 16th and 20th when she borrowed the shovel so she was back. My question is, if someone from the home called Casey's cell at 7:45 am on the 16th, why didn't either one of them answer her calls later that day or at least return the calls if they couldn't answer immediately? Do we know if they tried to call her back later that day? Oh wait, now I'm confusing myself, the 16th was the day they picked up the car! Still if Cindy tried to call her before she left for work and Casey called her later, why didn't Cindy answer?


From what I read, it was the 17th of June that the neighbor saw Casey back her car into the garage, he said the parents were not at home at the time....Then on the 19th of June Caylee borrowed the shovel from the neighbor and again the neighbor notices that her car is backed in... this was around 1:30pm and she returns the shovel at 2:30....The call to Casey cell phone was at 7:45AM on te 16th of June...the same day that George claims to have seen Casey and Caylee together leaving at 12:30pm and Casey had told him that she had to go to work and he left the house shortly thereafter....

I truly doubt that George saw them both on that day...because I believe that Casey never came home that night before after the fight with Cindy....

As for Cindy and George not answering the phones or cells...I really can not answer that....it could be that Cindy was too busy at work, and so was George....also we really don't know if Casey ever did reach her parents or not...there was a message left on the voicemail, that we don't know the contents of....she could have left a message on the cells as well...and maybe they didn't bother to call he back....who knows?

[jammies]

One would think so. I don't think that if they found Caylee prior, they would put her so close to their house.


Yet they knew exactly where to find the body. hmmm

[Barbara fl.]

Way back in the beginning of this whole mess, Cindy and George were on Greta's show. I remember Cindy saying that everything was calm and no angry voices raised on the 15th. I thought it was odd she mentioned it because it seemed out of the blue that she threw out that tid bit. Of course I may have read too much into it because I do believe I am becoming jaded with so many cases I follow. I should go back and watch that interview again, but I don't want to!

There could only be one reason that Cindy keeps throwing that out there and that's because she is riddle with guilt and wants to make herself feel better...

There is no way Cindy found out that Casey had stolen money from her parents account that this wouldn't cause a big blow up.....it certainly would have in my home....George and Cindy wouldn't have just blown that off....that was to big of a thing for that...There was a fight that night...imo

[Barbara fl.]

GM Barbara, I agree that we as normal parents and grandparents have children that age dressed for bed and in bed by 8pm. But this isn't a normal situation imo. Caylee always slept with OC and I can see OC keeping that poor little Caylee up to 11pm at least. IIRC Cindy said that she and Caylee were home in Orlando by 4:30pm so then they would have been in the pool when OC came home at 7:30pm. jmo It is just so frustrating to put reason into this case when so many lies have come out of this family. :sad:


Basically it's impossible to understand any of what this family says...I never saw such a family like this in my life...I wonder if a word of truth was spoken in that home? How did they have conversations? They must have been calling each other liars constantly...:laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

I'm still mortified that anyone could pick up a car at the tow yard, smell the smell, find items that belonged to both Casey and Caylee inside the car, not know where they were, take the car home, then return to work (cindy), and not immediately call police.

Exactly.....just doesn't make any sense......

[jakee]

Cindy brought up the sweat thing a couple of times:

Larry King 7/29/08 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/29/lkl.01.html

Cindy: I was told today -- can I ask a question? I was told today, sir, that sweat in that car could also be construed as decomposition. Is that true?

Spitz: No, that's entirely different. Sweat or those kinds of body fluids are not the same thing as decomposing tissue or the decompositional fluid that is generated from a body.

Greta's Show 08/14/08 (6:47) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuytbDbzIOk
(ETA ~ bush was moved video)
She also mentioned in a couple of local media interviews. jmo

Thank you for those links! You are good, off to read and listen.

[nanieliz]

I agree. When I was an EMT, we responded to an assist LE check on the welfare call. The neighbors were concerned because their neighbor's dog was howling and had been for several hours. It was an eerie sound from outside the house. The dog was mourning the death of his owner.

I think the A's dogs may have responded in a similar way. Maybe whining and whimpering at the playhouse because they smelled the death of a loved one. Cindy may have waved it off with thinking the dogs missed Caylee not being home.

jmo

When my father died in the hospital,the neighbors said his dog started howling. he died at 2:30 and we got home about 4. poor peanut was in such distress. dogs know!

[Barbara fl.]

Morning, all...

I was catching up on back posts and I saw where AnniePooh had a response from Cindy regarding AnniePooh's post on the "Foundation."
The thing that struck me was that AnniePooh said she woke up that morning to find the response...and I thought "That's Cindy...probably first thing she does each and every morning...check the foundation page for donations...the way some of us check our bank accounts for the balance before making a big purchase."
THEN I saw Anakerie's "blog" and it blew me away...
Cindy asking if she were overweight!! Can you imagine? I note that Casey was a devout blogger and Cindy was certainly blogging away on MySpace about her "My Caylee is Missing"... ohhhh...but she WEIGHED MORE in those days...OMG...there must be a connection, then!!

I'm hoping the jury consists of at least a couple of "overweight, friendless, bloggers."

JMO


You mean like all of us? :laugh: Cindy is a trip and so is that whole %^$%$ family...They know what the whole world thinks of their dear Casey, but the bloggers write it and that infuriates her....Maybe she thinks all the overweight, friendless bloggers will stop.....NOT ON YOUR LIFE CINDY.....:tonguewag:

[spiritwolf46]

Yet they knew exactly where to find the body. hmmm

Hiya Jammies!

I agree that they knew exactly where she was, but I don't think that they moved her there.

Lee is another story, as far as I am concerned though......:sneaky:

[Barbara fl.]

Morning, all.

Another one of those hinky things that says alot.

When a child, even adult childs car breaks down, runs outta gas, etc, if all was peachy within the relationship, the child would be calling parents for help. In this case, the car belongs to the parents anyway and Casey lives with her parents.

Caesy didn't call ma and pa cause it stunk, she was suppose to be outta town, and she was trying to evade them.

Cindy's reality is whatever Casey wants to tell her. Cindy is not a stupid woman but something about Casey turns her into Dumbo. Cindy had to have known that something was seriously wrong. Why was her Daughter lying about being outta town? Why was her Daughter withholding Caylee from her? Why did her Daughter allow the car to stay there so long that it was towed? And most importantly, why did it smell like a dead body had been in the dam car?

Knowing all that, she still had to wait to see what her psycho Daughter had to say.:rolleyes:


You took the words right out of my mouth....I just couldn't think of them..:wink:

But again you hit the nail on te head.....any child would have called home to say sheran out of gas.....I wonder, if asked, what would Cindy say?

[summer4meplz]

googling yourself is a bit fun and scary at the same time....

[jammies]

Hiya Jammies!

I agree that they knew exactly where she was, but I don't think that they moved her there.

Lee is another story, as far as I am concerned though......:sneaky:


Agree. They didn't move her. But someone knew where she was. Why would Casey tell Lee? Only reason I can come up with was to retrieve the remains and bury her where she would never be found. Looks like DC was the chosen one for the dirty work.

[desmom]

When my father died in the hospital,the neighbors said his dog started howling. he died at 2:30 and we got home about 4. poor peanut was in such distress. dogs know!

Yep, they do.

Do we know if the A's allowed the dogs to do their business in the backyard or did they walk them? The backyard was full of Caylee's things, a pool, patio furniture, 3 sheds and plants. There was not a lot of area for them to use. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Yep, they do.

Do we know if the A's allowed the dogs to do their business in the backyard or did they walk them? The backyard was full of Caylee's things, a pool, patio furniture, 3 sheds and plants. There was not a lot of area for them to use. jmo


You have a great point...If Caylee would be playing out there then they most likely didn't allow the dogs out there, they probably walked them instead.....

[OCD4Crime]

Yep, they do.

Do we know if the A's allowed the dogs to do their business in the backyard or did they walk them? The backyard was full of Caylee's things, a pool, patio furniture, 3 sheds and plants. There was not a lot of area for them to use. jmo

If they walked the dogs we would have seen them when they had the webcam daily. IMO

[nanieliz]

On the day they seen the notice on the door...they were doing yard work.




Nanieliz

[msgatorslayer]

Yep, they do.

Do we know if the A's allowed the dogs to do their business in the backyard or did they walk them? The backyard was full of Caylee's things, a pool, patio furniture, 3 sheds and plants. There was not a lot of area for them to use. jmo

That is a good point, Des. IMO, even if the dogs didn't do their business in the yard, I'm sure they still played out there with Caylee though.

Casey is lazy. I can see her taking the dogs in the back even if Mommy didn't want that.

[really3997]

googling yourself is a bit fun and scary at the same time....

Well apparently I am a VP of large company in Georgia...Darn wish that was true

[Lavinia]

Yep, no pull-up change, helping in the bathroom nothing. Then the story morphs into Cindy's version where now Casey left on a bonding trip. Casey has a week or two of off work. Tampa, Jacksonville? No planning went into this trip? George claims typical day going to work, dropping Caylee off at the sitters. Fragmented stories that don't fit one another's accounts. Just like Casey.

Their answers only account for a particular time interval not more than 30 minutes. Put all the fragments together and you have impossible accurances which amount to big fat lies.

You bring up a good point about there being no known preparation for their little "bonding" trip, Nef. Gosh, any time I ever had to go across TOWN with a kid that age for the afternoon, I had to really organize what I was doing and assess what we might need and gather it. Toys, clothes, hairbrushes, toothbrushes, any equipment needed that a hotel room wouldn't supply, a good supply of wipes, pull-ups, Tylenol, snacks, *bottled water*, and then whatever I need. Maybe some people can do it more on the fly, but I had to prepare. I didn't think about that.

[OCD4Crime]

Well apparently I am a VP of large company in Georgia...Darn wish that was true

Do you ever see the Anthony's walking their dogs in the neighborhood?

[ellegna]

Didn't George and Cindy claim the decomp smell the dogs could have hit on was George's sweat? I seem to recall something about that. I think Cindy called into NG one night and tried to debate with a Doctor about this. Am I way off here?


Here ya go Jakee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP7Bmn-M2_M

There was also another time Cindy mentioned it. Think it was Greta. Cindy said the dogs hit on the playhouse because George had moved it from one location to another. George was sweating and cut himself.

[Daffodil]

But dogs don't just hit on disturbed dirt if there is no human decomp there. Maye they are dumb enough to think that though! I can't hang around either for much longer, too much to do myself.



But..........they didn't hit on the bush. Just like the Anthony's to say, "Look...that bush was just moved....the dirt is disturbed.....how come the dogs didn't hit on that? They must not know what they are doing".

[really3997]

Do you ever see the Anthony's walking their dogs in the neighborhood?

Well keep in mind I just started visiting the block after this came out..Now I just drive by on the way to pick up/drop off my child at the school ok maybe now when I go the store and other errands but only a couple of times have me or my friends actually seen them outside...no dogs with them at these times

[Daffodil]

Didn't George and Cindy claim the decomp smell the dogs could have hit on was George's sweat? I seem to recall something about that. I think Cindy called into NG one night and tried to debate with a Doctor about this. Am I way off here?



See..........they are already prepared for a fight. Standard Operating Procedure for them.

[msgatorslayer]

You bring up a good point about there being no known preparation for their little "bonding" trip, Nef. Gosh, any time I ever had to go across TOWN with a kid that age for the afternoon, I had to really organize what I was doing and assess what we might need and gather it. Toys, clothes, hairbrushes, toothbrushes, any equipment needed that a hotel room wouldn't supply, a good supply of wipes, pull-ups, Tylenol, snacks, *bottled water*, and then whatever I need. Maybe some people can do it more on the fly, but I had to prepare. I didn't think about that.

Why would a Mother of the Year need a vacation to bond with her child?

This was one of those earlier statements by Cindy that I'm sure she regrets saying. She wasn't thinking ahead, for sure.

[Dick Tracy]

From what I read, it was the 17th of June that the neighbor saw Casey back her car into the garage, he said the parents were not at home at the time....Then on the 19th of June Caylee borrowed the shovel from the neighbor and again the neighbor notices that her car is backed in... this was around 1:30pm and she returns the shovel at 2:30....The call to Casey cell phone was at 7:45AM on te 16th of June...the same day that George claims to have seen Casey and Caylee together leaving at 12:30pm and Casey had told him that she had to go to work and he left the house shortly thereafter....

I truly doubt that George saw them both on that day...because I believe that Casey never came home that night before after the fight with Cindy....

As for Cindy and George not answering the phones or cells...I really can not answer that....it could be that Cindy was too busy at work, and so was George....also we really don't know if Casey ever did reach her parents or not...there was a message left on the voicemail, that we don't know the contents of....she could have left a message on the cells as well...and maybe they didn't bother to call he back....who knows?

If Casey left the house on the 15th after the fight, (which would be Sunday night), where did she go, and who did she stay with? She didn't stay with TL. I cannot explain the 7:45am to her cell phone from the Anthony house. Maybe she's calling her phone so she can locate it within the house? Just a thought.

[desmom]

Why would a Mother of the Year need a vacation to bond with her child?

This was one of those earlier statements by Cindy that I'm sure she regrets saying. She wasn't thinking ahead, for sure.

I never understood why Casey had not bonded with Caylee within the lst 34 months of Caylee's life. :rolleyes:

IMO a vacation to bond with her child sounds a whole lot better than Casey stormed out with Caylee after I tried to choke Casey.

[Dick Tracy]

Agree. They didn't move her. But someone knew where she was. Why would Casey tell Lee? Only reason I can come up with was to retrieve the remains and bury her where she would never be found. Looks like DC was the chosen one for the dirty work.

I have been thinking about this, how they finally located the area where she the remains where. I believe that somehow Casey communicated that to LEE during visits, without actually saying the location.... I remember her replying to a question to Lee "Exactly" or something to that effect.

I love swiss cheese. I love it so much my memory has started to look like swiss cheese.

[msgatorslayer]

If Casey left the house on the 15th after the fight, (which would be Sunday night), where did she go, and who did she stay with? She didn't stay with TL. I cannot explain the 7:45am to her cell phone from the Anthony house. Maybe she's calling her phone so she can locate it within the house? Just a thought.

I can't see Casey misplacing her phone. The girl was on it all the time.

I picture Cindy waking up for work, seeing the girls weren't home, they never came home after the fight, and Cindy calling Casey's phone to see where she was.

Since Cindy sat at a desk all day, we don't know how many other times she may have tried to call Casey from her work phone that day.

By the time Casey started her flurry of phone calls, Cindy may have been mad and didn't want to answer. More head games!!

[Lavinia]

Why would a Mother of the Year need a vacation to bond with her child?

This was one of those earlier statements by Cindy that I'm sure she regrets saying. She wasn't thinking ahead, for sure.

Sounds like they must have been pretty bonded since "maybe Casey was lying about working to be able to spend more time with Calyee", huh? :rolleyes: These kind of statements are why I LIKE for Cindy to keep talking. She just makes everything clearer and clearer, IMO.

[Katprint]

I can't remember which show it was but a Talking Head said the lawyers will do an online search for the juror's names. Remember, this is supposedly one of Jose's area of expertise - internet searching.

I don't know if they can get email addresses given to them or not. Good questions for Katprint or Lapis ( when she returns ).
You can find out almost anything if you are willing to work hard enough and/or spend enough money. If you are only willing to use easy, free searches like Google then you are not going to find out as much as if you hire private investigators to go talk to all of the person's friends, neighbors, relatives, coworkers, etc.

The jurors in cases like these have to fill out jury questionnaires, which they sign under penalty of perjury swearing that all their responses are truthful. I assume the questionnaire can ask for email addresses, blogs, etc. same as it can ask for addresses and telephone numbers. If the attorney uncovers evidence showing that the juror lied in the questionnaire, then that can be big trouble for the juror. It can also be grounds for a new trial in the event the defendant is convicted. (If the defendant is acquitted, the constitutional protections against double-jeopardy protect him/her from having defend another trial.)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[bchand]

googling yourself is a bit fun and scary at the same time....

It is. I found my name at a prowrestling site.

[Daffodil]

We damn well know she was during the first week of July. Her birthday weekend, in fact there was discussion and txts about Cindy's neck hurting so badly that Casey had to take care of her, remember THAT?

There are a lot of tiny little pieces to this mountain of evidence that when it unfolded live online, we will not forget.

This family knew it was Caylee and they knew she was Dead, and their behavior was an abomination. Period end of Story. IT still is.

Worst Family in The World! Let Keith O at them! Better yet, just leave one of us in a room alone with Cindy and Casey. I feel that Cindy will one day have charges of obstruction against her, I also wonder if her insane mind is where the ideas for the burial and the way she was buried came into play. Casey didn't do much without Cindy knowing. Make it look like she was abused and abducted. Bind her with Duct tape, leave all her things, like the sitter or someone else had her, yes I believe a LOT of planning went into this crime, even if it was after the fact by CIndyA. I do believe that, from the washing of her clothing in the car to driving the car home INSTEAD of calling 911 right then and there. They both failed Caylee right then and there, threw her under the bus, and Put Casey on a Pedestal.
I can't wait to watch the State, tear down that pedestal. It will be the most satisfying thing to see.
Besides charges for impeding and investigation, improper disposal of a human being, tampering with evidence and lying to LE for on
Cindy A. All Of which I believe she engaged in.



Wow, I never put 2 and 2 together about Cindy's neck hurting and the search for breaking a neck. Maybe it was Casey tried to choke Cindy, not the other way around.


I also want to clarify that I did not state that Cindy and/or George moved the body. I think Cindy told Casey to take care of it.

[Daffodil]

She's not very bright, nowhere near as bright as she seems to think she is. I remember her calling in to NG also, she was talking crazy about sweat/blood and Caylee peeing around her playhouse. Considering the fact that she has had some education and being a nurse, albeit a desk job, she should know something about human decomposition. I find her brash, self absorbed and overall disgusting.



She is already in defensive mode (which she seems to always be it, at least as far as we have seen) about dna and decomp. Why would anyone go there first?

[bchand]

You can find out almost anything if you are willing to work hard enough and/or spend enough money. If you are only willing to use easy, free searches like Google then you are not going to find out as much as if you hire private investigators to go talk to all of the person's friends, neighbors, relatives, coworkers, etc.

The jurors in cases like these have to fill out jury questionnaires, which they sign under penalty of perjury swearing that all their responses are truthful. I assume the questionnaire can ask for email addresses, blogs, etc. same as it can ask for addresses and telephone numbers. If the attorney uncovers evidence showing that the juror lied in the questionnaire, then that can be big trouble for the juror. It can also be grounds for a new trial in the event the defendant is convicted. (If the defendant is acquitted, the constitutional protections against double-jeopardy protect him/her from having defend another trial.)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks KatPrint. Other than on TV or in the movies, I don't recall jurors being "investigated" prior to a trial. Do you know if that's a common occurrence? Or maybe just in high profile cases?

[desmom]

I am watching Lee's visit with Casey at the jail on 7/25. http://www.wftv.com/video/18212491/index.html He tells her he is going to give her some names and if he can trust them to not say anything.

Annie - Casey said, "don't even bother" "no"
Melena - Casey shakes head no
Amy - Casey said, "most definitely
Ricardo - Casey said, "I don't know"
Tone - Casey said, "I would like to say yes but I am kind of on the fence about that one as well unfortunately.
Jesse - Casey said, "no"
Mom - Casey said, "most definitely"

Lee wants to double check his notes and mentions names again. Casey said "don't even bother with Annie or Melena, Amy is one of the most genuine people, I wouldn't worry about Ricardo, don't know what he would know of any significance, with things Jesse said I would investigate further but he is not someone she trust at the moment."

Lee goes on with the names:

Dad - Casey said, "most defintely"
Ryan - Casey said, "yes"
Will - Casey said, "I have not known him very long, so no"

Lee asks if there is anyone Casey does not trust he needs to look into.

Didn't Annie spend the night with Casey when she was out on bail and supposed to be one of Casey's best friends? Why would she tell Lee to not even bother with Annie?

jmo

[Daffodil]

There could only be one reason that Cindy keeps throwing that out there and that's because she is riddle with guilt and wants to make herself feel better...

There is no way Cindy found out that Casey had stolen money from her parents account that this wouldn't cause a big blow up.....it certainly would have in my home....George and Cindy wouldn't have just blown that off....that was to big of a thing for that...There was a fight that night...imo



Okay, what if.........Cindy saw a deceased Caylee or saw Casey actually kill Caylee............and then Casey told Cindy it was her turn...........that is why Cindy's neck is sore...........that is why Casey looked up neck breaking..............Cindy will never want the world to know that she knew Caylee was dead or witnessed it or saw her body..............she also would never want the world to know that Casey tried to kill her...............Cindy is in such deep, deep denial that something had to happen to put her there. Maybe she just cannot believe what happened.................

[Daffodil]

Here ya go Jakee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP7Bmn-M2_M

There was also another time Cindy mentioned it. Think it was Greta. Cindy said the dogs hit on the playhouse because George had moved it from one location to another. George was sweating and cut himself.



And if all this talk of dna, sweat, etc doesn't spell GUILTY in big letters, then the world is upside down. Just hope LE got on this asap.

[Neffy]

Okay, what if.........Cindy saw a deceased Caylee or saw Casey actually kill Caylee............and then Casey told Cindy it was her turn...........that is why Cindy's neck is sore...........that is why Casey looked up neck breaking..............Cindy will never want the world to know that she knew Caylee was dead or witnessed it or saw her body..............she also would never want the world to know that Casey tried to kill her...............Cindy is in such deep, deep denial that something had to happen to put her there. Maybe she just cannot believe what happened.................

:confused: Your reaching. :rolleyes: I don't believe anyone witnessed anything. The cover up didn't start until after Casey put the vanishing Caylee story out there.

[Dick Tracy]

Okay, what if.........Cindy saw a deceased Caylee or saw Casey actually kill Caylee............and then Casey told Cindy it was her turn...........that is why Cindy's neck is sore...........that is why Casey looked up neck breaking..............Cindy will never want the world to know that she knew Caylee was dead or witnessed it or saw her body..............she also would never want the world to know that Casey tried to kill her...............Cindy is in such deep, deep denial that something had to happen to put her there. Maybe she just cannot believe what happened.................

Are you saying that Casey and Cindy had a catfight? MEEEOW. I love catfights.. So does Kramer on Seinfeld.

When the Anthony's got a whiff of the car and the smell of death, deep down they knew Caylee was gone. They said too much early on, and a lot of what they said put a frame right around Case-a -roo's neck.

[Barbara fl.]

Okay, what if.........Cindy saw a deceased Caylee or saw Casey actually kill Caylee............and then Casey told Cindy it was her turn...........that is why Cindy's neck is sore...........that is why Casey looked up neck breaking..............Cindy will never want the world to know that she knew Caylee was dead or witnessed it or saw her body..............she also would never want the world to know that Casey tried to kill her...............Cindy is in such deep, deep denial that something had to happen to put her there. Maybe she just cannot believe what happened.................


I really doubt that....the 911 call was to authentic...If taht would have happened, that family would have made it go away without LE involved....they would have buried Caylee and said she went to her father's or something of that nature and no one would have been the wiser....

In fact I think that if Cindy had to do it all over again she would never call LE....jmo

[Daffodil]

:confused: Your reaching. :rolleyes: I don't believe anyone witnessed anything. The cover up didn't start until after Casey put the vanishing Caylee story out there.



I think the cover up started way before that. Remember, they all got the date wrong? All of them said May 9th. Was that said on purpose to throw the police off? How could four people get that date wrong. How could George remember what they were wearing if it was just a regular old day like he says? Wouldn't he be more inclinded to remember what they were wearing if there was a big blow up or other catastrophe and saw them go out the door?

The Anthony's are good at trying to screw up people's minds. Notice I said "trying". I can't wait till everything is out about this case.

[Dick Tracy]

I am watching Lee's visit with Casey at the jail on 7/25. http://www.wftv.com/video/18212491/index.html He tells her he is going to give her some names and if he can trust them to not say anything.

Annie - Casey said, "don't even bother" "no"
Melena - Casey shakes head no
Amy - Casey said, "most definitely
Ricardo - Casey said, "I don't know"
Tone - Casey said, "I would like to say yes but I am kind of on the fence about that one as well unfortunately.
Jesse - Casey said, "no"
Mom - Casey said, "most definitely"

Lee wants to double check his notes and mentions names again. Casey said "don't even bother with Annie or Melena, Amy is one of the most genuine people, I wouldn't worry about Ricardo, don't know what he would know of any significance, with things Jesse said I would investigate further but he is not someone she trust at the moment."

Lee goes on with the names:

Dad - Casey said, "most defintely"
Ryan - Casey said, "yes"
Will - Casey said, "I have not known him very long, so no"

Lee asks if there is anyone Casey does not trust he needs to look into.

Didn't Annie spend the night with Casey when she was out on bail and supposed to be one of Casey's best friends? Why would she tell Lee to not even bother with Annie?

jmo

Des, it sort of sums up Casey and how she viewed her relationship with Annie, and all of her friends. Amazing that a person who lies like Casey can all of a sudden not trust those seemingly trustful person in her life.

[Daffodil]

I really doubt that....the 911 call was to authentic...If taht would have happened, that family would have made it go away without LE involved....they would have buried Caylee and said she went to her father's or something of that nature and no one would have been the wiser....

In fact I think that if Cindy had to do it all over again she would never call LE....jmo



I will definitley admit that this may not be what happened but right now my mind is going there. I think we all may have missed something big in this case and the Anthony's are feeling safe that we missed something. But us bloggers don't matter at all. It is LE and what they know that matters.

But, maybe Cindy is all crazed because she doesn't know what Casey did with the body. Maybe she doesn't have enough confidence in her that she disposed of the body properly. If they find the body, then everybody is screwed. So Cindy is panicking. But remember, she didn't mention Caylee missing until the third call. Is that because she was hoping to get the info out of her prior to the third call?

I really think they knew right from the start because right from the start is all of their mistruths.

[JHP]

Okay, what if.........Cindy saw a deceased Caylee or saw Casey actually kill Caylee............and then Casey told Cindy it was her turn...........that is why Cindy's neck is sore...........that is why Casey looked up neck breaking..............Cindy will never want the world to know that she knew Caylee was dead or witnessed it or saw her body..............she also would never want the world to know that Casey tried to kill her...............Cindy is in such deep, deep denial that something had to happen to put her there. Maybe she just cannot believe what happened.................


I have wondered if the fight on the 15th was because Caylee had died by accident and was more of screaming whose fault it was, what are we going to do etc.

Casey herself decides to make it look like a kidnapping, (the movie rental with Tone.)

She comes and gets her from the backyard play area. Cindy doesn't realize Caylee had been moved and what Casey was trying to do until she smells death in the car.

Cindy then must track down Casey to find out where she put her.

Just Speculation

[Neffy]

I think the cover up started way before that. Remember, they all got the date wrong? All of them said May 9th. Was that said on purpose to throw the police off? How could four people get that date wrong. How could George remember what they were wearing if it was just a regular old day like he says? Wouldn't he be more inclinded to remember what they were wearing if there was a big blow up or other catastrophe and saw them go out the door?

The Anthony's are good at trying to screw up people's minds. Notice I said "trying". I can't wait till everything is out about this case.

What I'm saying is the cover-up didn't start until Casey (forced into a corner) spilled it. The cover-up story did go back in time and started their once Lee explained to Casey that saying Caylee is fine isn't going to float with LE and LE will want to see a real child.

[Daffodil]

I have wondered if the fight on the 15th was because Caylee had died by accident and was more of screaming whose fault it was, what are we going to do etc.

Casey herself decides to make it look like a kidnapping, (the movie rental with Tone.)

She comes and gets her from the backyard play area. Cindy doesn't realize Caylee had been moved and what Casey was trying to do until she smells death in the car.

Cindy then must track down Casey to find out where she put her.

Just Speculation



At first, I thought it could have been an accident and then arguing or arguing and than accidental death. But that was way back when. But, yes, I do think Cindy was crazed because she didn't have control of the situation and didn't believe Casey could do anything right.

[Barbara fl.]

If Casey left the house on the 15th after the fight, (which would be Sunday night), where did she go, and who did she stay with? She didn't stay with TL. I cannot explain the 7:45am to her cell phone from the Anthony house. Maybe she's calling her phone so she can locate it within the house? Just a thought.



I believe that Casey's cell phone indicated that she had been on the phone with TonE almost the whole night and that she was calling from a parking lot in the area.....It was during that night that TonE told Casey that she could come there but for her not to bring Caylee....The following night (the 16th) is when Casey calls TonE at 7:06pm (which is when she was supposed to be looking for Caylee and the nanny) and then at 8pm Casey and TonE are seen on video at blockbusters...

There was no explanation as to where Case went all that day...the only thing that LE saw was that she had been trying to reach Geiorge and Cindy in the afternoon ....

So even if we want to believe that George is telling the truth that he saw Casey and Caylee on that day....Caylee was certainly missing by 7pm that night...and never seen again...That is why the police are putting caylees death between the 15th and 16th of June....

George supposedly left out right after Casey and Caylee...Casey called the home number at 6:32pm and left a voice mail (which we don't have the contents of)....

The first of several calls to Cindy and George started at 3:03 pm on the 16th...those calls could also have been made to make sure that her parents weren't near the home.....

If all was to be believed...it would mean that Caylee was murdered between 12:30 noon on the 16th and 3:03pm the same day...

After that time frame is when Casey stated to tell the story of the nanny.....so I think it would be safe to say that the murder had already been carried out......jmo

[Daffodil]

What I'm saying is the cover-up didn't start until Casey (forced into a corner) spilled it. The cover-up story did go back in time and started their once Lee explained to Casey that saying Caylee is fine isn't going to float with LE and LE will want to see a real child.



That may have been when Lee got involved with the coverup. And you may be right. But, since I got on this board, my mind just seems to find new angles or reasoning. So what I say or believe today may not be the same as tomorrow.

But there are just too many items of coincidence that make me think otherwise right now.

[JHP]

At first, I thought it could have been an accident and then arguing or aruing and than accidental death. But that was way back when. But, yes, I do think Cindy was crazed because she didn't have control of the situation and didn't believe Casey could do anything right.

I think we are thinking along the same lines. Cindy likes to be in control of everything.
IMO Cindy has known since the death. JB did come out and say Casey wanted to handle the burial. It just wasn't the one eveyone was thinking he was talking about.

[Barbara fl.]

I will definitley admit that this may not be what happened but right now my mind is going there. I think we all may have missed something big in this case and the Anthony's are feeling safe that we missed something. But us bloggers don't matter at all. It is LE and what they know that matters.

But, maybe Cindy is all crazed because she doesn't know what Casey did with the body. Maybe she doesn't have enough confidence in her that she disposed of the body properly. If they find the body, then everybody is screwed. So Cindy is panicking. But remember, she didn't mention Caylee missing until the third call. Is that because she was hoping to get the info out of her prior to the third call?

I really think they knew right from the start because right from the start is all of their mistruths.




But then why call 911...wouldn't she have made sure that the body couldn't be found prior to that call....

Sorry, but I don't think that's what happened...I believe that Casey is in this ting completely alone....

[Daffodil]

I think we are thinking along the same lines. Cindy likes to be in control of everything.
IMO Cindy has known since the death. JB did come out and say Casey wanted to handle the burial. It just wasn't the one eveyone was thinking he was talking about.

OMG. that last sentence was an eye opener.

[Dick Tracy]

I believe that Casey's cell phone indicated that she had been on the phone with TonE almost the whole night and that she was calling from a parking lot in the area.....It was during that night that TonE told Casey that she could come there but for her not to bring Caylee....The following night (the 16th) is when Casey calls TonE at 7:06pm (which is when she was supposed to be looking for Caylee and the nanny) and then at 8pm Casey and TonE are seen on video at blockbusters...

There was no explanation as to where Case went all that day...the only thing that LE saw was that she had been trying to reach Geiorge and Cindy in the afternoon ....

So even if we want to believe that George is telling the truth that he saw Casey and Caylee on that day....Caylee was certainly missing by 7pm that night...and never seen again...That is why the police are putting caylees death between the 15th and 16th of June....

George supposedly left out right after Casey and Caylee...Casey called the home number at 6:32pm and left a voice mail (which we don't have the contents of)....

The first of several calls to Cindy and George started at 3:03 pm on the 16th...those calls could also have been made to make sure that her parents weren't near the home.....

If all was to be believed...it would mean that Caylee was murdered between 12:30 noon on the 16th and 3:03pm the same day...

After that time frame is when Casey stated to tell the story of the nanny.....so I think it would be safe to say that the murder had already been carried out......jmo


Do not forget also, that there is hard disk activity on the computer AT THE ANTHONY HOME on the afternoon of June 16th in the 1400 hour. Wasn't George, he was gone. Wasn't Lee. He was working, Wasn't Cindy, she was working. It must have been Casey returning home after GA went to work. Are you aware of the computer forensics that show the 1400 hour in use on the computer?

[JHP]

OMG. that last sentence was an eye opener.

Sorry, I'm just speculating. I'm trying to think about what all could have went on in this wild puzzle.

[Daffodil]

Okay, I really have to get going now. I am still in pj's but did have coffee and read paper. Now I have to get ready and go grocery shopping. I hate starting my day so late.

JHP, hope you are here later today!!!

[Barbara fl.]

We damn well know she was during the first week of July. Her birthday weekend, in fact there was discussion and txts about Cindy's neck hurting so badly that Casey had to take care of her, remember THAT?

There are a lot of tiny little pieces to this mountain of evidence that when it unfolded live online, we will not forget.

This family knew it was Caylee and they knew she was Dead, and their behavior was an abomination. Period end of Story. IT still is.

Worst Family in The World! Let Keith O at them! Better yet, just leave one of us in a room alone with Cindy and Casey. I feel that Cindy will one day have charges of obstruction against her, I also wonder if her insane mind is where the ideas for the burial and the way she was buried came into play. Casey didn't do much without Cindy knowing. Make it look like she was abused and abducted. Bind her with Duct tape, leave all her things, like the sitter or someone else had her, yes I believe a LOT of planning went into this crime, even if it was after the fact by CIndyA. I do believe that, from the washing of her clothing in the car to driving the car home INSTEAD of calling 911 right then and there. They both failed Caylee right then and there, threw her under the bus, and Put Casey on a Pedestal.
I can't wait to watch the State, tear down that pedestal. It will be the most satisfying thing to see.
Besides charges for impeding and investigation, improper disposal of a human being, tampering with evidence and lying to LE for on
Cindy A. All Of which I believe she engaged in.

I fully agree with you when you say that the Anthony's should have called the police from that tow yard///they should never have touched a thing....infact, the tow company should have called the police whne they smelled the odor of death....

George even said that he was afraid to open the trunk in fear that Casey or Caylee would be inside of it.....and I also believe that they found out thru Lee where Caylee's remains were and they tried to cover up...But I do not beliee in this big conspiracy over the death of a 2 year old....there would have been other ways to handle it.....JMO

[Dick Tracy]

I will definitley admit that this may not be what happened but right now my mind is going there. I think we all may have missed something big in this case and the Anthony's are feeling safe that we missed something. But us bloggers don't matter at all. It is LE and what they know that matters.

But, maybe Cindy is all crazed because she doesn't know what Casey did with the body. Maybe she doesn't have enough confidence in her that she disposed of the body properly. If they find the body, then everybody is screwed. So Cindy is panicking. But remember, she didn't mention Caylee missing until the third call. Is that because she was hoping to get the info out of her prior to the third call?

I really think they knew right from the start because right from the start is all of their mistruths.

The 911 call that Cindy makes is authentic. That's not planned, you can hear it in her voice she's worried about the SMELL in the car, and the missing granddaughter.

The deflection started when they realized that Caylee was dead, and that was the smell they smelled in the car.

They went into coverup mode (ie, pizza and maggots, huh?) shortly after, but definitely before she argues with the Doctor about the sweat stuff.

[Dick Tracy]

I fully agree with you when you say that the Anthony's should have called the police from that tow yard///they should never have touched a thing....infact, the tow company should have called the police whne they smelled the odor of death....

George even said that he was afraid to open the trunk in fear that Casey or Caylee would be inside of it.....and I also believe that they found out thru Lee where Caylee's remains were and they tried to cover up...But I do not beliee in this big conspiracy over the death of a 2 year old....there would have been other ways to handle it.....JMO

Agreed. I have been wondering how the information got transferred to Lee about the body whereabouts. Thru code during a visit?

Didn't Lee say something about the memorial about CMA your secret is safe with me, I will never tell, something to that effect.

Lee had a hand in the body being found. Where he got the knowledge, I don't know as yet. BUT i'M WORKING ON IT.

[Barbara fl.]

Do not forget also, that there is hard disk activity on the computer AT THE ANTHONY HOME on the afternoon of June 16th in the 1400 hour. Wasn't George, he was gone. Wasn't Lee. He was working, Wasn't Cindy, she was working. It must have been Casey returning home after GA went to work. Are you aware of the computer forensics that show the 1400 hour in use on the computer?



No I wasn't aware of that....so that indicated that Casey was home at 2 pm....which would fall in place with the frantic calls to her parents at 3pm...now we are getting a tighter time frame....if all this is true then Caylee had to have been murdered in her home and between the hours of 12:30pm and 2 pm....(if I'm reading into this correctly)....

[JHP]

Okay, I really have to get going now. I am still in pj's but did have coffee and read paper. Now I have to get ready and go grocery shopping. I hate starting my day so late.

JHP, hope you are here later today!!!

I read every day but post very little
I'll try to post more. I have to help my daughter on a school project. Have a great day!

[Dick Tracy]

Holy detecting, Batman. Great thought. :thumbup: Casey would be panicking without her lifeline.

yeppers... I personally call my Blackberry from my home about twice a month, because I'm always misplacing it. Makes it even harder when the thing runs out of battery.

[Chardonnay]

At first, I thought it could have been an accident and then arguing or arguing and than accidental death. But that was way back when. But, yes, I do think Cindy was crazed because she didn't have control of the situation and didn't believe Casey could do anything right.

At first I thought it was an accident too....Casey leaving the house that night with a crying and screaming Caylee in her arms, no way to shut her up, had the duct tape in the car, wraps it around her mouth but didn't realize it was covering her nose too. And poor sweet Caylee suffocated.. God, this was so hard to type.

[Barbara fl.]

Agreed. I have been wondering how the information got transferred to Lee about the body whereabouts. Thru code during a visit?

Didn't Lee say something about the memorial about CMA your secret is safe with me, I will never tell, something to that effect.

Lee had a hand in the body being found. Where he got the knowledge, I don't know as yet. BUT i'M WORKING ON IT.

Yes, those were his exact words....and he also was talking in code to Case when she was behind bars...and said something to the effect that "can we look somewhere for Zenaida that we all would know the place".......I never believed that they were really talking about Zenaida....And Casey was bailed out after that, and I believe she did tell Lee......

[msgatorslayer]

The 911 call that Cindy makes is authentic. That's not planned, you can hear it in her voice she's worried about the SMELL in the car, and the missing granddaughter.

The deflection started when they realized that Caylee was dead, and that was the smell they smelled in the car.

They went into coverup mode (ie, pizza and maggots, huh?) shortly after, but definitely before she argues with the Doctor about the sweat stuff.

ITA that phone call about Caylee missing and the car smelling was authentic.

The earlier calls about the stolen car and money were fake. Well, the car, anyway. Cindy was bluffing Casey, trying to get her to comply with her demands to see Caylee.

Cindy's attitude changed once LE arrested Casey for the crime Cindy reported - Caylee couldn't be found.

[Dick Tracy]

No I wasn't aware of that....so that indicated that Casey was home at 2 pm....which would fall in place with the frantic calls to her parents at 3pm...now we are getting a tighter time frame....if all this is true then Caylee had to have been murdered in her home and between the hours of 12:30pm and 2 pm....(if I'm reading into this correctly)....

That's where I am Barb. I've got her at the house, and Caylee is dead, perhaps found floating in the pool by Casey around 3pm. I thought the calls (the flurry 4 in two minutes) happened around 4pm though. You sure about 3pm?

[msgatorslayer]

That's where I am Barb. I've got her at the house, and Caylee is dead, perhaps found floating in the pool by Casey around 3pm. I thought the calls (the flurry 4 in two minutes) happened around 4pm though. You sure about 3pm?

Drowning is the number one cause of death for tots in Florida, IIRC. Happens all to often. A child wonders and dies, the parents are rarely charged. And they call 911 immediately because, well, they love their child and its the right thing to do.

An accidental death of Caylee would be a dream come true for Casey. Get the snot head outta her way, she'd get her freedom back, and could milk the sympathy from others for loosing a child.

[Dick Tracy]

Drowning is the number one cause of death for tots in Florida, IIRC. Happens all to often. A child wonders and dies, the parents are rarely charged. And they call 911 immediately because, well, they love their child and its the right thing to do.

An accidental death of Caylee would be a dream come true for Casey. Get the snot head outta her way, she'd get her freedom back, and could milk the sympathy from others for loosing a child.

I think she tossed the kid in the pool - and went to go goof off on the computer, forgot about Caylee. That's possibly her dark secret. She was irresponsible, just what her mother fingered her for. She was neglectful, just like her mom accused her of. Wasn't murder, but covering up the crime and making up wild stories....

So i went down that road. But if I back up a month or even days before, then why is Casey googling Zenaida in jacksonville on the 12th of June? Why is she looking into chloroform 6 weeks before. It doesn't make sense. Sounds like premeditiation, at least to a degree.

[Pruddennce]

Didn't Annie spend the night with Casey when she was out on bail and supposed to be one of Casey's best friends? Why would she tell Lee to not even bother with Annie?

jmo

respectfully snipped...



yes, des, she did spend the nite: LE write's in their narrative: handwritten page 3388

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-02/45125794.pdf

Annie also witnessed Casey screaming at Cynthia about impersonating her in an email. she also was throwing Jesse under the bus (he has keys to her car).....Cindy probably 'x''d out Annie because she knew alot about the dynamics between those two.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[adair]

Yep, no pull-up change, helping in the bathroom nothing. Then the story morphs into Cindy's version where now Casey left on a bonding trip. Casey has a week or two of off work. Tampa, Jacksonville? No planning went into this trip? George claims typical day going to work, dropping Caylee off at the sitters. Fragmented stories that don't fit one another's accounts. Just like Casey.

Their answers only account for a particular time interval not more than 30 minutes. Put all the fragments together and you have impossible accurances which amount to big fat lies.

I am so far behind>>>being a fat lazy blogger. But anyway, you raise some great points!!! Don't you think that K-Lee would have given Gramps hugs and Gramps would have told her give Micky Mouse a hug or something like that.....that would be easy to remember..........

jmo

[desmom]

Agreed. I have been wondering how the information got transferred to Lee about the body whereabouts. Thru code during a visit?

Didn't Lee say something about the memorial about CMA your secret is safe with me, I will never tell, something to that effect.

Lee had a hand in the body being found. Where he got the knowledge, I don't know as yet. BUT i'M WORKING ON IT.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=LEE_021020091253&cat=CAC&title=Lee%20Anthony%20Says%20Goodbye%20To%20%E2%80 %98C.M.A.%E2%80%99

"CMA each day you continue to teach me about life, about the way it should be lived. Each day, you give me the ability to be strong, or to be weak. It's been so long since I've been able to see you, hug you or tell you how much you mean to me. CMA I miss you. I love you. CMA I am so proud of you. I hope you are proud of me too. I need you to know I will never forget the promise I made to you. I will never forget."

[desmom]

That's where I am Barb. I've got her at the house, and Caylee is dead, perhaps found floating in the pool by Casey around 3pm. I thought the calls (the flurry 4 in two minutes) happened around 4pm though. You sure about 3pm?


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17874799/detail.html

But at 4:11 p.m., Anthony began trying to reach her mother, Cindy Anthony, making four attempts in two minutes, according to records. Anthony then traveled north from her parent's home and called Lazzaro for one minute at 4:19 p.m., Pipitone reported. Two minutes later, she talked to Grund for a minute, and tried to call her mother again at 4:25 p.m., Pipitone said.

[desmom]

respectfully snipped...



yes, des, she did spend the nite: LE write's in their narrative: handwritten page 3388

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-02/45125794.pdf

Annie also witnessed Casey screaming at Cynthia about impersonating her in an email. she also was throwing Jesse under the bus (he has keys to her car).....Cindy probably 'x''d out Annie because she knew alot about the dynamics between those two.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Thanks Pru! :seeya:

The A's do have a habit of throwing everyone not interested in doing the Anthony Tango under that darn old bus. jmo

[msgatorslayer]

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=LEE_021020091253&cat=CAC&title=Lee%20Anthony%20Says%20Goodbye%20To%20%E2%80 %98C.M.A.%E2%80%99

"CMA each day you continue to teach me about life, about the way it should be lived. Each day, you give me the ability to be strong, or to be weak. It's been so long since I've been able to see you, hug you or tell you how much you mean to me. CMA I miss you. I love you. CMA I am so proud of you. I hope you are proud of me too. I need you to know I will never forget the promise I made to you. I will never forget."

Freak!!! Slobberin all over his Caylee wrist band talking to her murderer. Repulsive!!

[TunaMelt]

I admire all your thinking, and while I believe this sort of thinking is how answers come about -- don't you think you're all giving the Anthonys way way way too much credit for a level of intelligence that they don't have, either individually or as a group (aka "hand").

They're not smart people. Look who they've involved themselves with: most notably, low-life cons like the Milsteads. If they had a brain cell to share among them, they'd never go near this kidfinder kaper. LOL.

They're not good liars, the Anthonys. None of them can remember one lie from the next. They're not good actors: witness the last 3 appearances (including the deposition) -- they're awful actors, they can't disguise their feelings if one of their lives depended on it.

And in this instance, one of their lives does depend on it. Yet they flounder and fail and grimace and get fussy and prissy and pouty (George) at the wrong things, and get bug-eyed crazy-mad at things that shouldn't bother them at all.

I think each one of them had some part in this tragic killing. I think KC did it all by herself in a rage.

And I think very shortly after she killed Caylee, Lee knew about it. Then Cindy and George.

None are innocent. KC is guiltiest of all, but each one of them somehow conspired with her after Caylee's murder.

But they didn't do well, they bumbled the caper -- because they are stupid people with big egos who misjudged the intelligence and the collective conscience of millions of people.

Isn't it time for someone to pull out old Occam's Razor again? I think it might be.

:wink:

[msgatorslayer]

Rotten office fridge cleanup sends 7 to hospital

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/odd_rotten_office_food

:laugh:

[adair]

Maybe, but the car with the smell of death wasn't found until July 16th so they wouldn't have been looking for or moving a body then.

When AH took Cindy to find kc, Cindy told AH that they were concerned that it could have been either kc or KLee that was dead in the truck. So yup just leave and go to work....

If cindy had been intouch via cell phone, i would think that she would have ruled that the decomp smell was not coming from kc.

jmo and my 2cents.

[Lavinia]

NY Times post regarding absinthe today.

http://events.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/dining/reviews/13wine.html?ref=style

[TunaMelt]

NY Times post regarding absinthe today.

http://events.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/dining/reviews/13wine.html?ref=style

good article!

I guess if people drank it straight, that green fairy would be dancing in their heads in no time. That's a lot of alcohol. As the writer said, water is necessary if you're going to drink it.

And you've got to like that end of the color spectrum, LOL.

I'll take a pass, but Lavinia, would you want to volunteer as our Official Absinthe Tester?

:biggrin:
:wink:

[Remy]

I think you nailed it IM4Truth!

In one of George's video interview with the FBI ( http://cmm.lefora.com/2008/11/23/fbi-tapes-released-george-anthony-cindy-anthony/page1/ ), he said he saw clothes in the trunk. Did he see the laundry bag and assume it was full of clothes?

The laundry bag info came out in the Wednesday, 1/21/09 document dump http://www.wftv.com/news/18530178/detail.html. George was reported missing Thursday 1/22/09. I think George read that document dump and realized the laundry bag he saw in Casey's trunk on 6/24 held Caylee's little body.

jmo

Wow, great sleuthing Desmom. That makes sense to me, thank you.

I'm still hung up on the gas cans being reported stolen on the 24th and GA stating he saw Casey on the 24th as well.

[Dick Tracy]

Outside of the fact that Lee's entire message was weird, what makes it even more weird is that this is a man talking to his sister. He's not talking to his wife or girlfriend. Maybe I'm from a different planet, but I can't imagine my brother blubbering this to me even if I were in prison.

I'm with Larry... this is all so weird.


I think Larry uses the word "weirdly" Annie! Lee Anthony is the go between Casey and the body being found. She somehow informs him thru codes or somehow that the body is in those woods.

KING: Weird.

Off to Sea-Tac.

[ellegna]

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=LEE_021020091253&cat=CAC&title=Lee%20Anthony%20Says%20Goodbye%20To%20%E2%80 %98C.M.A.%E2%80%99

"CMA each day you continue to teach me about life, about the way it should be lived. Each day, you give me the ability to be strong, or to be weak. It's been so long since I've been able to see you, hug you or tell you how much you mean to me. CMA I miss you. I love you. CMA I am so proud of you. I hope you are proud of me too. I need you to know I will never forget the promise I made to you. I will never forget."

My bold

That line and CMA has always bothered me
It doesn't sound like Lee is talking in past tense but rather present.
If Lee was referring to Caylee, wouldn't he have said "I was so proud of you. I hope you were proud of me?"
He also had a laptop on the podium. It was then I thought CMA wasn't reference to Caylee at all. Lee was speaking to Casey in code. :sneaky:

[AMS]

My bold

That line and CMA has always bothered me
It doesn't sound like Lee is talking in past tense but rather present.
If Lee was referring to Caylee, wouldn't he have said "I was so proud of you. I hope you were proud of me?"
He also had a laptop on the podium. It was then I thought CMA wasn't reference to Caylee at all. Lee was speaking to Casey in code. :sneaky:

I agree ellegna. I have always wondered if Lee was having a web chat with Casey thru the laptop of Baez. Why is he proud of Casey? Some secret she hasn't told?

imo

[True2Blues]

My bold

That line and CMA has always bothered me
It doesn't sound like Lee is talking in past tense but rather present.
If Lee was referring to Caylee, wouldn't he have said "I was so proud of you. I hope you were proud of me?"
He also had a laptop on the podium. It was then I thought CMA wasn't reference to Caylee at all. Lee was speaking to Casey in code. :sneaky:

Why memorialize your dead Niece, when you can tell your sister (who is accused of her child's murder) how much you miss her, want to hold her and love her? It's no wonder Lee gives me the creeps.

[eagleeer]

I think Larry uses the word "weirdly" Annie! Lee Anthony is the go between Casey and the body being found. She somehow informs him thru codes or somehow that the body is in those woods.

KING: Weird.

Off to Sea-Tac.

Dick, "your going to solve this Tracy". Lee is in this up to his eyeballs, and maybe more balls if you get my drift. IMO Caylee is the offspring of Lee. Be careful on I-5 it is a nightmare.

[eagleeer]

Why memorialize your dead Niece, when you can tell your sister (who is accused of her child's murder) how much you miss her, want to hold her and love her? It's no wonder Lee gives me the creeps.



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Originally Posted by ellegna http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13112954#post13112954)
My bold

That line and CMA has always bothered me
It doesn't sound like Lee is talking in past tense but rather present.
If Lee was referring to Caylee, wouldn't he have said "I was so proud of you. I hope you were proud of me?"
He also had a laptop on the podium. It was then I thought CMA wasn't reference to Caylee at all. Lee was speaking to Casey in code. :sneaky:

Now you are starting to get it. Lee is protecting his daughter's mother. Ask Dick Tracy, he has the answers. Me, I am just an armchair detective. What do I know? :confused:

[Barbara fl.]

That's where I am Barb. I've got her at the house, and Caylee is dead, perhaps found floating in the pool by Casey around 3pm. I thought the calls (the flurry 4 in two minutes) happened around 4pm though. You sure about 3pm?


The first call she placed was to George's cell at 3:03PM..then to Cindy's Job at 4:10pm, then 4:11 Cindy's cell, then at 4:13 to, Cindy's cell again, then 4:14pm to Cindy's jod again etc, etc.....However, I also doubt very strongly that Caylee drowned in the pool, that would have been too convenient for Casey and would have fell right up her ally....everyone would have been synpathetic toward Casey and Casey could have gotten her freedom without the problems connected to murder....

I truly feel that Casey murdered Caylee with the tape, cutting off her oxygen....that is why she couldn't tell police where the body was, she knew once tey found the body it would certainly not look like an accident....JMO

[AMS]

Eagle, I'm sure DNA ruled him out, but no link, and I'm too lazy to look for one, so JMO.

sending you a PM shortly

Yep. In one of the doc dumps it showed they had tested Lee's DNA and had excluded him from being Caylee's father. I'm too lazy to look for the link too. I have been doing big-time yard work today and currently Ben-Gay is my new best friend!!

imo