Friday, May 15, 2009 Caylee Marie Anthony

[Lapis]

Hi Lapis, If JB is using the laptop to e-mail them he could easily do so. He wouldn't have to e-mail them he could just open his e-mail account and then e-mail another account that he has and when they come and visit him they could be given to them also or he could let them read it and the delete the message also. But I have never heard of a search warrant given to search the laptop of a lawyer for this. jmo

My point was that until Cindy said she and Casey exchange letters on LKL if the letters/emails were exchanged via JB there was nothing more than speculation. Because it is an attorney's laptop they would need more than speculation/rumor to get a search warrant. I have heard of cases where a search warrant has been issued for an attorneys office for such correspondence but this was before the widespread use of laptop computers. I don't pretend to understand the workings of a computer. If I turn it on and works I'm happy, sorta like my car does it get me from point A to point B? I don't need to know how it works. But I would think that there may be something left for forensics to find. I defer to others more knowledgable.

JMO

[Daffodil]

Bolding mine...

Yes it does. But what could be worse than your own daughter murdering her own child, your granddaughter?!?:scared:



I know, what could it possibly be?

[Pam1569]

And, I am hoping there is someway to bug all of their computers and laptops without their knowledge so help convict her and them.

Daffodil, The FBI was involved and they could, I imagine at least, have gotten a warrant for a bug on anything that they wanted because of what had already been out there. Plus they would have gone through their internet provider to get those records and not have to have a bug in their pc's. jmo But I really think that the courts and LE will want to get the trial over first before they go after anyone else. jmo

[Tracian]

Here's one way to cut her off: After she gives the yes or no answer (if she even does that) they could cut out her microphone while she is in a secluded room outside of the actual court.


LOL...can you imagine Cindy yelling back at the SA like she did in the depo?

"No, you answer my question" and "That's okay, go ahead and make an a$$ out of yourself!"

[Dick Tracy]

I agree, G is a lemming...I see him faking a heart attack if it gets to 'hot' for Cindy or him on the stand.


BTW...IMO, there is no way in Hades that they will put Casey on the stand.

NO WAY IN HADES. Even though I live up in the Pacific Northwest, I will be making a trip to Orlando once this trial starts, and try to get in. It will be the hottest ticket in town!!!!!!!! :ohmy:

Anyone know how many seats are in those courtroom?

[KP1935]

I cannot stand George's facial expressions. That thing he does where he makes his mouth a straight line, rolls his eyes upwards, shrugs and shakes his head 'no'. I just want to slap that stupid expression off of his face. It's as if he is trying to convey how clueless he is (and therefore blameless).

Watching GA reminds me of OJ, the way he frowns, raises the eyebrows and shrugs.

[Daffodil]

According to Cindy, misplacing a cellphone or car keys can cause one to be as panicked as misplacing a two year old child.

Does that mean the next time my husband can't find his keys, Cindy will send him a teddy bear?

[Scampi]

LOL...can you imagine Cindy yelling back at the SA like she did in the depo?

"No, you answer my question" and "That's okay, go ahead and make an a$$ out of yourself!"

Not as outrageous as you may think. Recall the bond hearing when she told Linda Drane Burdick her finanaces were none of her business? Ms. Burdick slapped her down beautifully, imo.

Actually, I hope both anthonys are hostile, then they can be declared as such and the questioning can be direct.

[Dick Tracy]

my bold

Shouldn't that be spokesdummy? Nobody can tell me that Cindy's not gonna have her hand manipulating his every word! (I was going to say her hand manipulating HIM, but it sounded...well...bad.

IF George is getting 40K, I wonder what all the others are getting? 140K?

[Pam1569]

My point was that until Cindy said she and Casey exchange letters on LKL if the letters/emails were exchanged via JB there was nothing more than speculation. Because it is an attorney's laptop they would need more than speculation/rumor to get a search warrant. I have heard of cases where a search warrant has been issued for an attorneys office for such correspondence but this was before the widespread use of laptop computers. I don't pretend to understand the workings of a computer. If I turn it on and works I'm happy, sorta like my car does it get me from point A to point B? I don't need to know how it works. But I would think that there may be something left for forensics to find. I defer to others more knowledgable.

JMO

TY Lapis, Then I do hope that they do now have enough evidence for this warrant and are able to search his pc, because I truly believe that this is how it has been done and is being done.

[Dells]

Up to this point there has only been speculation. Cindy's statement on LKL may just provide them with the ammunition they need for a search warrant. They will probably check to see if the letters are going throught the normal mail channels and if not..... JMO

Bolding mine....

Reason number one million and one why The Anthony's should not do anymore TV interviews. They are sinking Casey's ship.

[Tracian]

Not as outrageous as you may think. Recall the bond hearing when she told Linda Drane Burdick her finanaces were none of her business? Ms. Burdick slapped her down beautifully, imo.

Actually, I hope both anthonys are hostile, then they can be declared as such and the questioning can be direct.


OMG...I forgot about that...yeah, Cindy may end up in a cell should she loose it...because IMO, she is getting more and more hostile.

[denjet]

I am just so interested in seeing who actually NEEDS to become involved with this case. Not knowing any death qualified attorneys personally, I would think that each and evereyone of them is watching this case very closely, trying to figure out how they would handle this. It is such a mess of lies and bogus stories that stepping up and trying to defend KC, to the best of their ability, is going to be very difficult for even for the seasoned elite.
Hi Tornado! ITA and also I think JB is having a hard time getting a DP lawyer on board ... I think he's trying to get one that will do things HIS way and not let the DP lawyer do his job of keeping from a death sentence ... JMO

[Dells]

They play word games with the duct tape, it was not "around her skull" it was "around the mouth". What's the diff, are they going to say Caylee put it there herself, if it was just around the mouth?? It was not a heart shaped sticker, it was sticky residue from Caylee's gum and it just happened to be in a sort of heart shape.

Bolding mine....

I so agree w/you. What a silly point for Brad Conway to make. The fact that duct tape was on or around any part of Caylee's head is horrific, heinous, and atrocious. Did he expect us all to feel better about it because he stated it was just around her mouth and not her entire head?:sneaky: By the way, the documents that were released by the prosecution clearly dispute BC's statement.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Does that mean the next time my husband can't find his keys, Cindy will send him a teddy bear?

If your husband doesn't find his keys for 31 days (let alone look for 'em)... a teddy bear he will get.

[jammies]

jammies, I think that OC learned well from her mom on how to manipulate anyone with fake tears, sobs or by any other means to get their way. But OC has lost her control and now the jury will have that and Cindy is trying to keep control of this situation that she has manifested but imo is loosing the battle.

YW jammies, My hubby says that I am obsessed with this case. LOL



OH, mine does too but hey, he's got his own darn obsessions. At least mine are FREE!

I agree about Casey learning from Cindy. Their personalities are exactly alike. Eternally po'd and not really any other emotions that aren't faked.

I'm to the point I don't think Cindy cares if Casey sits in jail forever IF it didn't point back at HER (Cindy). Her biggest worry is that Casey will throw her under the proverbial bus and make her look bad.

IMO As long as she purports to everyone what a wonderful, loving mommy her daughter was, maybe Casey won't go after her. It's all about Cindy. Funny though, if push comes to shove.....Cindy WILL fight back. I'm imagining the trial and some not so nice things are said about Cindy from the defense. She will then make sure the world knows how SHE was the mother-figure, bought everything, cared for Caylee, blah blah blah. Just like her infamous myspace post.

If comes comes down to Casey or Cindy....Cindy will choose HERSELF in a nano-second.

(Painting the porch, staining the porch floor and trying to keep up here! Hubby crackin' that darn whip of his!)

[♫Rock*Star♫]

snipped with respect

By the way, the documents that were released by the prosecution clearly dispute BC's statement.

The documents released clearly dispute every word out of George and Cindy's mouths.

Yet they continue to speak. :shrug:

[Dells]

O/T doesn't Wendy Murphy remind you in voice especially and sort of looks of the comedienne Paula Poundstone.?

Yes, she does!

[Dells]

according to the Anthony's what's worse is having other people think your daughter killed your granddaughter

So true! It's all about appearances to them, even if it isn't true. The truth does not matter to them at all.:thumbdown:

[Tracian]

I'm one who believes that she and George both should have been locked up a long time ago. :angry:


As am I...but honestly, I do have a feeling that one or both of them will face charges before this is over.

[denjet]

Tornado, It is just mind boggling to see which DPQ attorney does take this case, because of all the downsides to defending this client would do to their reputation.

I was looking at old stories from Pipitone (clickorlando) and this one struck me as to why that JB cannot claim mental defect. jmo

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/17929872/index.html

Who ever the DPQ attorney is going to be they have are hard road ahead of them if they do not get reins on JB. jmo
Hi Pam! :seeya:
bolding mine
...and there in lies the rub ... any experienced DP lawyer with a solid reputation won't touch this case with a ten foot pole! JMO

[Dick Tracy]

Not without your Lead Detective, you're not! I'll swing down and pick you up. Hope Mrs. Tracy has no objections? :ohmy: You have to get her addicted to this case, and she can come along too.

I'm sure there will be zillions of people trying to get into that courtroom. Will it be first come, first served?


ROAD TRIP? Me likey. But it's a long way from where we are to Florida. I know. I have made the trip 4 times, by car, and it sucks. We can usually find good tickets out of SEA for $199 round trip or thereabouts.

She won't care. She'll say "go for it".

Might cost each about a grand for about a weeks worth of drama. I'd pay double!

[marshmallow]

With all the 'threats' that Cindy claims they have gotten via phone or email....has any of this been confirmed and/or reported to LE?

The reason I question the reports from the A's that they have been the victims of continuous threats is because reading back on the statements from Cindy's co-workers, and the emails exchanged between the family, it seems to me Cindy in a twisted way, enjoys being the topic of pity in regards to her situations.

1. She couldn't divorce George, because he would get 1/2 and support....so again she has to 'suffer' to protect her family.

2. She has to take care of Caylee, because Casey is a poor mother...but does not have the money to take legal action...so again she suffers quietly (not so much) because she has to protect her family.

3. She suffers through George's gambling away money, and not holding a job...

4. She suffers when Casey takes off with Caylee...blogs about this suffering on her myspace.

5. She suffers as she cannot see or grieve with her daughter...

6. She considers suicide, but cannot bring herself to do more than write notes, because she has to protect her family.

7. She supports Casey remaining silent, because she is protecting the family from the dangerous "THEM" and she too, cannot say all she knows...so she again suffers...

8. She lost a grandchild, and possibly her daughter...so again she suffers.

Then she claims an avalanche of threats are coming to the family...so yes, she suffers.....


Seems like a pattern of very self distructive behavior to me.



strange as it sounds, some people like to be martyrs.

[Tracian]

The documents released clearly dispute every word out of George and Cindy's mouths.

Yet they continue to speak. :shrug:



Amazing isn't it? Honestly, I have never seen anything like it.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

I'm one who believes that she and George both should have been locked up a long time ago. :angry:

I am one who believes the same.

As am I...but honestly, I do have a feeling that one or both of them will face charges before this is over.

I have the same feeling.

[Tracian]

strange as it sounds, some people like to be martyrs.


I agree...but Joan of Arc she is not.

[Dells]

Agreed.. She'll be asked "did you say this", and she'll say "yes, I did, but what I mean't was this............."

It wouldn't surprise me at ALL if George Anthony had a heart attack while on the the stand. He's a lemming. Don't ask me why, but I had a vision of him being taken out of the courtroom on a stretcher.

I so agree. That is why she will be perceived by the prosecution to be a hostile witness. I think that means that they will just be able to ask her yes or no questions and she won't have the chance to elaborate at all. Of course, the defense could probably question her differently so that she can get all of her stories and explanations out there, but only after the prosecution has had a chance to make their points and let it sink in w/the jurors.

[denjet]

Bolding mine....

So true! The Anthony's don't realize that they and Casey are picked apart even more because they **don't** go visit each other. In any case, it is just an excuse as to why they don't go visit her because I think everyone has figured out by now that the real reason they don't go visit Casey is that their loving daughter doesn't want to see them and is refusing to see them.

I think it is laughable that they say that they don't go visit Casey because it will be played and picked apart in the media, and yet they go on all these interviews that are played and picked apart in the media. I wish they would apply the same logic to their interviews as they do to visiting Casey, because then maybe we wouldn't have to see them on all these interviews then.:sneaky:
Hi Dells!
YOU said it! :thumbsup:

[ttcRider]

Better way, put one of those dog shock collars on her and when she starts to blather away ZAP ZAP ZAP!! she'll learn, maybe.

:lol: THAT is funny!

[♫Rock*Star♫]

Amazing isn't it? Honestly, I have never seen anything like it.

And I highly doubt we'll see anything like it again.

Intelligent people learn from their mistakes and the mistakes of others.

Cindy and George... not so much.

Obviously, not at all.

[CelticDawn]

My point was that until Cindy said she and Casey exchange letters on LKL if the letters/emails were exchanged via JB there was nothing more than speculation. Because it is an attorney's laptop they would need more than speculation/rumor to get a search warrant. I have heard of cases where a search warrant has been issued for an attorneys office for such correspondence but this was before the widespread use of laptop computers. I don't pretend to understand the workings of a computer. If I turn it on and works I'm happy, sorta like my car does it get me from point A to point B? I don't need to know how it works. But I would think that there may be something left for forensics to find. I defer to others more knowledgable.

JMO


even if most of it was destroyed by defragging and deleting (among other things you can do to actually clean a computer)...There would be trails on both their email servers.....also, the comm ports would tell where (by IP) the email was actually sent be it a library, internet cafe...you get the drift.....they CAN be found with lots of effort...LE should not have a problem getting warrants if in fact they were paying attention and can use this TV Circus as probable cause.

would JB also be subject to some kind of a smack down for doing such a thing???

[eagleeer]

The real reason they did not talk to Casey about Caylee while she was home on bail is because they suspected the house was bugged. (It was).

For the life of me I don't understand George. He should have known the house was bugged. As a former Detective he would have known how to find them. He could also get a Bug Detector (no pun intended) or a Signal Scrambler online to disable them. Maybe he missed that class at the Sheriff's Academy. :rolleyes:

[Dells]

LOL...can you imagine Cindy yelling back at the SA like she did in the depo?

"No, you answer my question" and "That's okay, go ahead and make an a$$ out of yourself!"

Bolding mine....

:laugh: Said as she is being hauled out of court in handcuffs for contempt of court....

[jammies]

I'm one who believes that she and George both should have been locked up a long time ago. :angry:



Move over, AP.

[Dells]

IF George is getting 40K, I wonder what all the others are getting? 140K?

And more importantly, after all of these salaries are being paid is there actually any money leftover to actually help people?:sneaky:

[Dells]

The documents released clearly dispute every word out of George and Cindy's mouths.

Yet they continue to speak. :shrug:

Oh yes, it certainly defies logic, doesn't it?!:sneaky:

[AlohaRainbow]

Last night I went to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation website and contacted the Anthonys. I said, "I will make a donation in Caylee's name to Texas Equasearch as I know that organization will use it honourably in finding missing children."

This morning I woke up to find a message from Cindy in my inbox. :scared: She wrote, "I'm sure they will be grateful."

I feel so speshul to now have Cindy in my address book. :w00t: If anyone feels so inclined, this is her addres: cindy@dgator.com
so not even an acknowledgement from her that you remembered caylee :crying:.. something like, "thank you for keeping caylee in your thoughts, i'm sure tes will be grateful"
so sad

[PROPROS]

IF George is getting 40K, I wonder what all the others are getting? 140K?No kidding...If the Kidfinders are making that kind of money, why, is the house in forclosure...Then again, from all those judgements, it would seem that these people do not pay their bills...How can they run a foundation,when their own finances are a mess!!mo

[jammies]

And more importantly, after all of these salaries are being paid is there actually any money leftover to actually help people?:sneaky:


Did you already forget the thousands of people who call them for advice and comfort, Dells? That's what they are GENEROUSLY offering! Send money and they will get up off their azzes and answer the phone.

[Tracian]

Bolding mine....

:laugh: Said as she is being hauled out of court in handcuffs for contempt of court....


That just put a huge smile on my face!:biggrin:

[Lavinia]

Last night I went to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation website and contacted the Anthonys. I said, "I will make a donation in Caylee's name to Texas Equasearch as I know that organization will use it honourably in finding missing children."

This morning I woke up to find a message from Cindy in my inbox. :scared: She wrote, "I'm sure they will be grateful."

I feel so speshul to now have Cindy in my address book. :w00t: If anyone feels so inclined, this is her addres: cindy@dgator.com

Was she snarky about it much? :rolleyes: If someone told me they made a donation to a freakin' Taco Bell in my grand-daughter's honor, I would have thanked them for thinking of my grand-daughter.

[PROPROS]

Hi Tornado! ITA and also I think JB is having a hard time getting a DP lawyer on board ... I think he's trying to get one that will do things HIS way and not let the DP lawyer do his job of keeping from a death sentence ... JMOITA...And no way would he want a "camera hog" on board..mo

[Dick Tracy]

Paging Dick Tracy....Paging Dick Tracy........

Did you miss my post on page six? Post 208?

Is this what you are looking for?

Dick here. :ohmy: let me go look. I may have..................

[sunstar]

The only thing I know is that there is a court date of May 28th to answer the Prosecution's motion for Jose to name the DP attorney. I don't know what would happen if by that time he couldn't name one?

Hi! I'm wondering the same thing too, but can't Casey be declared indigent and have somebody from the public defender's office appointed? If that happened, could Baez & LKB still work with him/her? :confused:

[Dick Tracy]

Hey, Dick is this it?

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/12/casey_anthony_caylee_anthony_g_7.php

Lazzaro: Where is Caylee?

Anthony: I honestly don't know.

Lazzaro: I don't know. R U serious? When did u find out?

Anthony: ... I am the worst f**cking person in the entire world ... The best thing and the most important person in my life is missing and God only knows if I am ever going to see her again. I don't know what ill [sic] do if something happens to her

Later, she says:

The most important thing is getting Caylee back but i truly hope that you can forgive me..granted i will never be able to forgive myself...nor will my family.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you.. I have been looking for this for a week. Awesome job Detective Witchy.....

edited..... at least I know when that transcript was released.. That's not all of it, but that's what I am looking for.

[PROPROS]

Did you already forget the thousands of people who call them for advice and comfort, Dells? That's what they are GENEROUSLY offering! Send money and they will get up off their azzes and answer the phone.Since GA (just recently) had a suicide attempt, IMO, he should be getting advise,not giving it!!mo

[Pam1569]

OH, mine does too but hey, he's got his own darn obsessions. At least mine are FREE!

I agree about Casey learning from Cindy. Their personalities are exactly alike. Eternally po'd and not really any other emotions that aren't faked.

I'm to the point I don't think Cindy cares if Casey sits in jail forever IF it didn't point back at HER (Cindy). Her biggest worry is that Casey will throw her under the proverbial bus and make her look bad.

IMO As long as she purports to everyone what a wonderful, loving mommy her daughter was, maybe Casey won't go after her. It's all about Cindy. Funny though, if push comes to shove.....Cindy WILL fight back. I'm imagining the trial and some not so nice things are said about Cindy from the defense. She will then make sure the world knows how SHE was the mother-figure, bought everything, cared for Caylee, blah blah blah. Just like her infamous myspace post.

If comes comes down to Casey or Cindy....Cindy will choose HERSELF in a nano-second.

(Painting the porch, staining the porch floor and trying to keep up here! Hubby crackin' that darn whip of his!)

jammies, I agree to my bold part. She doesn't to me either. Right now she is on top of the media in her eyes. They all want to know what she thinks only because he daughter won't talk by the way. But I don't think that she or the foundation will be in the spot light for long after this trial is done and OC is convicted.

[jammies]

Was she snarky about it much? :rolleyes: If someone told me they made a donation to a freakin' Taco Bell in my grand-daughter's honor, I would have thanked them for thinking of my grand-daughter.


Can we make donations in Caylee's name to the Prosecution team? :wink:

[denjet]

A question for legal eagles.

When the end of the trial is near, and it is apparent to the OC that she will be taking an extended nap, could she fire her lawyers and start over? That's probably a dumb question, because if the answer is yes, we'd never see the end of any trial, but I can't think of a good reason (that's where the legal eagles come in) why she couldn't. TIA
Hi Lizzie!
I'm no legal eagle, but Strickland and the state seem to be on top of that so KC can't scream "ineffective counsel" down the road. Making her appear at hearings and the state trying for a gag order, etc. As far as appeal, it seems they're also being careful ... JMO
We need a professional legal opinion ... anyone?

[AlohaRainbow]

Was she snarky about it much? :rolleyes: If someone told me they made a donation to a freakin' Taco Bell in my grand-daughter's honor, I would have thanked them for thinking of my grand-daughter.

exactly! that stuck out to me like a sore thumb. not even an acknowledgement (much less a thanks) that the donor thought of caylee

[Tracian]

Hi! I'm wondering the same thing too, but can't Casey be declared indigent and have somebody from the public defender's office appointed? If that happened, could Baez & LKB still work with him/her? :confused:



Yes, they can. At least in CA, if a private lawyer agrees to work for the PD salary, or do the case Pro Bono, they can remain or take a case.

[sunstar]

Hi Tornado! ITA and also I think JB is having a hard time getting a DP lawyer on board ... I think he's trying to get one that will do things HIS way and not let the DP lawyer do his job of keeping from a death sentence ... JMO

There also could be that little matter about who is going to pay the death-qualified lawyer. :smile:

[marshmallow]

I agree...but Joan of Arc she is not.

she's not going up in flames, she's going down in flames.

[Pam1569]

I so agree. That is why she will be perceived by the prosecution to be a hostile witness. I think that means that they will just be able to ask her yes or no questions and she won't have the chance to elaborate at all. Of course, the defense could probably question her differently so that she can get all of her stories and explanations out there, but only after the prosecution has had a chance to make their points and let it sink in w/the jurors.

Dells, Plus lets not forget doesn't the prosecution have the right to re-cross if they need to.

[sunstar]

Yes, they can. At least in CA, if a private lawyer agrees to work for the PD salary, or do the case Pro Bono, they can remain or take a case.

Thanks so much! :smile: I was just curious how that would work if she ends up having to get the death-qualified lawyer from the PD's office. Do you think the judge could order that if Baez doesn't have somebody by the hearing on the 28th?

[denjet]

I notice the CMA Foundation is only for "missing, abused or expolited" children.

I guess if they turn up murdered after being missing, Cindy jettisons the family over to some other organization. G@D Forbid they be connected a to murdered child.
Hi Ishka!
I noticed too no mention of murdered children or child victims of domestic violence ... guess it just sounds too harsh ? :rolleyes:

[denjet]

No kidding...If the Kidfinders are making that kind of money, why, is the house in forclosure...Then again, from all those judgements, it would seem that these people do not pay their bills...How can they run a foundation,when their own finances are a mess!!mo
Hi Propros!
My hope is the advertising or promoting of their businesses by jumping on a high profile case will be there undoing ... let's face it, many people have heard about their dealings because of it and I truly believe they are being exposed and have troubles ahead for them.
JMHO

[Lavinia]

O/T doesn't Wendy Murphy remind you in voice especially and sort of looks of the comedienne Paula Poundstone.?

That's it! I knew something about her was niggling at me!

[Lavinia]

Can we make donations in Caylee's name to the Prosecution team? :wink:

:laugh: If I could, I surely would! (Just popped off a post to CMA!)

[Dells]

jammies, I agree to my bold part. She doesn't to me either. Right now she is on top of the media in her eyes. They all want to know what she thinks only because he daughter won't talk by the way. But I don't think that she or the foundation will be in the spot light for long after this trial is done and OC is convicted.

Bolding mine....

If Casey is convicted, their foundation is done for sure. If they want it to stay afloat, then they will have to change the mission statement of their foundation to help children that are missing and murdered by their parents.

[Tracian]

Thanks so much! :smile: I was just curious how that would work if she ends up having to get the death-qualified lawyer from the PD's office. Do you think the judge could order that if Baez doesn't have somebody by the hearing on the 28th?


Now, that could be a 'rub'; If the state has to provide a DP lawyer, then they would not have to 'pay' for another lawyer...but they could stay on Pro Bono.

[eagleeer]

AnniePooh, have I told you lately that I :wub: you?

Bet this email addy gets changed reeaaallll soon.:sneaky:

(stole your WOOT)

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[Lavinia]

IF George is getting 40K, I wonder what all the others are getting? 140K?

Since he's probably low man on the totem-pole, may be. I think they pay him the 40K to be a boat anchor. :wink:

[GIGI4256]

No I don't think so, but I could be wrong. I just don't think that GA is that smart... Heck, even on LKL he said he wasn't very intelligent anyway.

Someone else would have had access to the Anthony home while Caylee was missing, to get the duct tape, heart shaped sticker, trash bags, laundry bag.

George was just blowing smoke.

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I swear, Vincent Bugliosi could do this in a WEEK.

GA is definitely not very smart. Didn't he state once that he lost a lot of money to an internet scam? Also, he's got a look in his eyes....a look like he has no idea what is going on around him. Plus, if were smart, he would not be Cindy's yes man. JMO

[sunstar]

Now, that could be a 'rub'; If the state has to provide a DP lawyer, then they would not have to 'pay' for another lawyer...but they could stay on Pro Bono.

Thanks for reconfirming :smile: I got that impression from your previous post when you said they could work pro bono. I'm just really wondering if Baez does have somebody & just isn't saying or if he can't find anyone. It seems the longer it takes the longer delay for the trial, imo.

[enigma™]

Since he's probably low man on the totem-pole, may be. I think they pay him the 40K to be a boat anchor. :wink:

That is about all he is good for. :laugh:

[Lavinia]

And more importantly, after all of these salaries are being paid is there actually any money leftover to actually help people?:sneaky:

"As best they can." :rolleyes:

[missinglink]

I have a few questions, be they somewhat morbid...

1. If Casey would receive the DP, what is the average amount of time
it takes to execute, of course, including appeals and all?

2. If Casey would get LWOP, and assuming Cindy and George died
before Casey, who claims the body...Lee?

3. If no one claims the body, does the state of Florida bury her in a
paupers grave or what?

TIA!!!

[PROPROS]

Hi Propros!
My hope is the advertising or promoting of their businesses by jumping on a high profile case will be there undoing ... let's face it, many people have heard about their dealings because of it and I truly believe they are being exposed and have troubles ahead for them.
JMHOHi denjet, DM comes across (IMO) as "cocky"...They may have assumed that people would never question an organization that was involved with missing chidren...mo

[AMS]

:laugh: If I could, I surely would! (Just popped off a post to CMA!)

Rut-roh. What did you say to CMA? Do tell.....

[CelticDawn]

AnniePooh, have I told you lately that I :wub: you?

Bet this email addy gets changed reeaaallll soon.:sneaky:

(stole your WOOT)

God is watching.....

I have to be good.
I have to be good.
....

[Zeus]

Last night I went to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation website and contacted the Anthonys. I said, "I will make a donation in Caylee's name to Texas Equasearch as I know that organization will use it honourably in finding missing children."

This morning I woke up to find a message from Cindy in my inbox. :scared: She wrote, "I'm sure they will be grateful."

I feel so speshul to now have Cindy in my address book. :w00t: If anyone feels so inclined, this is her addres: cindy@dgator.com

Just out of curiosity, I went to the website too, after hearing C&G on LKL----because they seem to be all over the place in what this fundation.....oops, I mean foundation.......is trying to accomplish.

The whole site made me go 'HUH?' but the things that mad me go 'Thud' were:

1. Their Mission Statement, a part of which is: Provide support to law enforcement during child recovery efforts.

Can anyone remember an example of them providing support to Law Enforcement EVER during this whole ordeal? They've been fighting LE ever since I can remember. Too many examples to cite.

2. They state: She has brought together a nation in one of it's worst times and taught us that hope is worth holding onto.

Who did she bring together, other than the Anthonys and their outrageous worse by the minute lying? What hope are they holding onto? Their beautiful Granddaughter was found dead. Is the hope they're holding onto the hope that their daughter won't get convicted and get the death penalty. That's the kind of hope Caylee brought to them? As Larry King would say---WEIRD.

3. They claim they're going to provide bears for distribution by 1st responders to comfort distressed children. Does that mean they're going to provide bears to all the children they find? They've never found any. And why would any parent want their missing child to have a bear with a tee shirt on that says 'Caylee Bear'? Caylee was murdered, not exactly my idea of a bear to comfort a child.

4. They claim they will provide advice on dealing with the media inquiries. Their relationship with the media has been a disaster. They've repeatedly trashed the media at every turn. Does that mean they're going to give advice on how to get free trips, limos and hotels?

That website is laughable. They just can't see it but no surprise there.

[Dells]

Just out of curiosity, I went to the website too, after hearing C&G on LKL----because they seem to be all over the place in what this fundation.....oops, I mean foundation.......is trying to accomplish.

The whole site made me go 'HUH?' but the things that mad me go 'Thud' were:

1. Their Mission Statement, a part of which is: Provide support to law enforcement during child recovery efforts.

Can anyone remember an example of them providing support to Law Enforcement EVER during this whole ordeal? They've been fighting LE ever since I can remember. Too many examples to cite.

2. They state: She has brought together a nation in one of it's worst times and taught us that hope is worth holding onto.

Who did she bring together, other than the Anthonys and their outrageous worse by the minute lying? What hope are they holding onto? Their beautiful Granddaughter was found dead. Is the hope they're holding onto the hope that their daughter won't get convicted and get the death penalty. That's the kind of hope Caylee brought to them? As Larry King would say---WEIRD.

3. They claim they're going to provide bears for distribution by 1st responders to comfort distressed children. Does that mean they're going to provide bears to all the children they find? They've never found any. And why would any parent want their missing child to have a bear with a tee shirt on that says 'Caylee Bear'? Caylee was murdered, not exactly my idea of a bear to comfort a child.

4. They claim they will provide advice on dealing with the media inquiries. Their relationship with the media has been a disaster. They've repeatedly trashed the media at every turn. Does that mean they're going to give advice on how to get free trips, limos and hotels?

That website is laughable. They just can't see it but no surprise there.

What a great post! I so agree w/you. You just brought up some wonderful points as to why their whole foundation is a total farce.:sneaky:

[Lavinia]

I cannot stand George's facial expressions. That thing he does where he makes his mouth a straight line, rolls his eyes upwards, shrugs and shakes his head 'no'. I just want to slap that stupid expression off of his face. It's as if he is trying to convey how clueless he is (and therefore blameless).

That's it exactly Frances! The first few times I saw him, I thought he was a distinguished, dashing looking man. Then the expressions began. :scared: And that's EXACTLY what he conveys in his testosterone depleted way; that he's not responsible for *anything*. He's just along for the ride without doing any real things for himself. No real work, no real decisions, no real convictions. By gosh, he's just SUCH an unwilling victim. :rolleyes: Now, when things don't work out so hot, he will be the first in line to say it wasn't HIS idea, I would bet.

Grrr. I can't stand a man I can't respect.

[penguinlady]

I used to want the death penalty for Casey. Then I thought about all the endless appeals..the last minute stays of execution..and thinking about seeing Cindy's face for another 15 years (or more).

Bring on LWOP!

IMO!

K!

[Lavinia]

God is watching.....

I have to be good.
I have to be good.
....

I'll get him to turn his attention over here. Go for it! :thumbsup:

[101Spots]

she's not going up in flames, she's going down in flames.

I'll be happy to flick my Bic.

[sunstar]

I used to want the death penalty for Casey. Then I thought about all the endless appeals..the last minute stays of execution..and thinking about seeing Cindy's face for another 15 years (or more).

Bring on LWOP!

IMO!

K!

Good points and I really don't think we'll have to worry about the DP anyway.

[Dick Tracy]

...:blushing:

She pretty much admits all when she says she will never forgive herself and her family will never forgive her either.

Send out an SOS if I can help further your investigation.

SOS SOS SOS HELLO ALL STATIONS Dick Tracy here.

I'm currently searching for the 11/26 document dump. I'm slipping as I get older, and I can't seem to locate it... Does anyone have a link to all the documents released on 11/26?

HELP!!!!!!! I'm drowning in pdf files!

[denjet]

There also could be that little matter about who is going to pay the death-qualified lawyer. :smile:
Hi sunstar!
oooo, that's right, the little matter of money !! JB won't be wanting to give up his cash cow ... the Ants better get going selling those bears! :tonguewag:

[PROPROS]

What a great post! I so agree w/you. You just brought up some wonderful points as to why their whole foundation is a total farce.:sneaky:ITA...It's a great post...What makes them think that The Sheriff's Dept wants or needs their help...Also, what would you tell the child when they asked "who is Caylee Anthony and why is she an angel"?.....Believing that they can run a foundation, is like Casey believing she was an event planner..mo

[*MoonRider*]

:laugh: If I could, I surely would! (Just popped off a post to CMA!)

I sent one to CMA yesterday. I didn't get a response. :rolleyes:

[Dick Tracy]

Just out of curiosity, I went to the website too, after hearing C&G on LKL----because they seem to be all over the place in what this fundation.....oops, I mean foundation.......is trying to accomplish.

The whole site made me go 'HUH?' but the things that mad me go 'Thud' were:

1. Their Mission Statement, a part of which is: Provide support to law enforcement during child recovery efforts.

Can anyone remember an example of them providing support to Law Enforcement EVER during this whole ordeal? They've been fighting LE ever since I can remember. Too many examples to cite.

2. They state: She has brought together a nation in one of it's worst times and taught us that hope is worth holding onto.

Who did she bring together, other than the Anthonys and their outrageous worse by the minute lying? What hope are they holding onto? Their beautiful Granddaughter was found dead. Is the hope they're holding onto the hope that their daughter won't get convicted and get the death penalty. That's the kind of hope Caylee brought to them? As Larry King would say---WEIRD.

3. They claim they're going to provide bears for distribution by 1st responders to comfort distressed children. Does that mean they're going to provide bears to all the children they find? They've never found any. And why would any parent want their missing child to have a bear with a tee shirt on that says 'Caylee Bear'? Caylee was murdered, not exactly my idea of a bear to comfort a child.

4. They claim they will provide advice on dealing with the media inquiries. Their relationship with the media has been a disaster. They've repeatedly trashed the media at every turn. Does that mean they're going to give advice on how to get free trips, limos and hotels?

That website is laughable. They just can't see it but no surprise there.


All Hail Zeus..... :mellow:

That website is a mess. Don't know they even know what a style sheet is? Or padding? Or margins ? or float:right? That site was a rough attempt to get MONEY now.

Who the devil are the Anthony's possibly getting money from ??? Little old ladies or what?

[Peter]

And more importantly, after all of these salaries are being paid is there actually any money leftover to actually help people?:sneaky:

well thats where they get suckers oops i mean volunteers like me to spend time searching and getting water donations etc.

[Lavinia]

Rut-roh. What did you say to CMA? Do tell.....

Let me preface by saying I know this isn't the way you should talk to anyone, lol, and the manner in which I approached her is not "therapeutic", but it felt good. :drool:

Cindy,

Your bullheadedness, control issues and apparent refusal to follow the advice of any professional that tries to "handle" you and advise you, is ruining your entire family and is surely putting your daughter's life in worse danger than if you had behaved in a dignified and honorable way from the beginning. WHAT PART OF THAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING????

I am not a blogger who picks people apart. Actually, I have great empathy for the families of murderers because if has to be HORRIBLE for the parents. But all the ones I know of have some humility and don't act like obnoxious liars at every turn.

YOU'RE doing this Cindy. No one else. You have this whole thing run off in the ditch and you have little, if any time to change course.

Learn something from your mistakes or one day, when you finally get some personal insight which you seem to be woefully lacking, you will die from guilt because of what you've done.

You need help. Professional help. Someone stronger than you that won't allow you to bulldoze them, because that's how you roll. Full steam ahead, right or wrong, dammit. Maybe someone taught you that is a positive characteristic and may even appear as strength, but that is far from the truth.

I'm telling you all this, which sounds really mean, because I am SO frustrated with you. I know things can be so much better for you and your family in this HORRIFIC situation and I truly want you to take the opportunity to "fix" this. It's very difficult when someone refuses to see what everyone else can plainly see.

[missinglink]

That's it exactly Frances! The first few times I saw him, I thought he was a distinguished, dashing looking man. Then the expressions began. :scared: And that's EXACTLY what he conveys in his testosterone depleted way; that he's not responsible for *anything*. He's just along for the ride without doing any real things for himself. No real work, no real decisions, no real convictions. By gosh, he's just SUCH an unwilling victim. :rolleyes: Now, when things don't work out so hot, he will be the first in line to say it wasn't HIS idea, I would bet.

Grrr. I can't stand a man I can't respect.

His facial expressions to me remind me of someone I knew, back in the 70's. This person was on some type of psychotic medicine. The medicine name started with the letter 'P' or "M', I think. Anyone, the exact facial expressions to a 'T'.

[Dick Tracy]

GA is definitely not very smart. Didn't he state once that he lost a lot of money to an internet scam? Also, he's got a look in his eyes....a look like he has no idea what is going on around him. Plus, if were smart, he would not be Cindy's yes man. JMO

During LKL interview, I was watching George's eyes and expressions. He's got that "what the hay am I doing here" look in his eyes. His eyes were shifting back and forth. Just imagine, if you can, that guy on the stand in front of the world. My prediction is (and it's okay to make predictions, right?) heart attack and stretcher out of the courtoom for George.

[Scampi]

How do you remember this stuff Scamp..I don't know if I ever knew this..is there anywhere to see this slap..cause you know..seein ol Cindy get slapped would make my wholedarnday..I need a good pick-me-up today..:laugh:

Hi Sweet Pea!!! :wub: We used to have the link to that bond hearing in the links thread. I will look for it on youtube also and post it if I can find it.

Yep, she really tried to jump ugly with the prosecutor but Linda set her straight real quick. I have loved her ever since that hearing.

[Dells]

Let me preface by saying I know this isn't the way you should talk to anyone, lol, and the manner in which I approached her is not "therapeutic", but it felt good. :drool:

Cindy,

Your bullheadedness, control issues and apparent refusal to follow the advice of any professional that tries to "handle" you and advise you, is ruining your entire family and is surely putting your daughter's life in worse danger than if you had behaved in a dignified and honorable way from the beginning. WHAT PART OF THAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING????

I am not a blogger who picks people apart. Actually, I have great empathy for the families of murderers because if has to be HORRIBLE for the parents. But all the ones I know of have some humility and don't act like obnoxious liars at every turn.

YOU'RE doing this Cindy. No one else. You have this whole thing run off in the ditch and you have little, if any time to change course.

Learn something from your mistakes or one day, when you finally get some personal insight which you seem to be woefully lacking, you will die from guilt because of what you've done.

You need help. Professional help. Someone stronger than you that won't allow you to bulldoze them, because that's how you roll. Full steam ahead, right or wrong, dammit. Maybe someone taught you that is a positive characteristic and may even appear as strength, but that is far from the truth.

I'm telling you all this, which sounds really mean, because I am SO frustrated with you. I know things can be so much better for you and your family in this HORRIFIC situation and I truly want you to take the opportunity to "fix" this. It's very difficult when someone refuses to see what everyone else can plainly see.

This is wonderful, Lavinia, and it was certainly therapeutic for me to read this because this is exactly how I feel!!!:thumbsup:

[AMS]

Let me preface by saying I know this isn't the way you should talk to anyone, lol, and the manner in which I approached her is not "therapeutic", but it felt good. :drool:

Cindy,

Your bullheadedness, control issues and apparent refusal to follow the advice of any professional that tries to "handle" you and advise you, is ruining your entire family and is surely putting your daughter's life in worse danger than if you had behaved in a dignified and honorable way from the beginning. WHAT PART OF THAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING????

I am not a blogger who picks people apart. Actually, I have great empathy for the families of murderers because if has to be HORRIBLE for the parents. But all the ones I know of have some humility and don't act like obnoxious liars at every turn.

YOU'RE doing this Cindy. No one else. You have this whole thing run off in the ditch and you have little, if any time to change course.

Learn something from your mistakes or one day, when you finally get some personal insight which you seem to be woefully lacking, you will die from guilt because of what you've done.

You need help. Professional help. Someone stronger than you that won't allow you to bulldoze them, because that's how you roll. Full steam ahead, right or wrong, dammit. Maybe someone taught you that is a positive characteristic and may even appear as strength, but that is far from the truth.

I'm telling you all this, which sounds really mean, because I am SO frustrated with you. I know things can be so much better for you and your family in this HORRIFIC situation and I truly want you to take the opportunity to "fix" this. It's very difficult when someone refuses to see what everyone else can plainly see.


Great message lavinia. I hope she responds beyond, "You don't see the truth, maggot".

imo

[Lavinia]

His facial expressions to me remind me of someone I knew, back in the 70's. This person was on some type of psychotic medicine. The medicine name started with the letter 'P' or "M', I think. Anyone, the exact facial expressions to a 'T'.

You're right. There is a condition called tardive dyskinesia which can come as a side effect from anti-psychotic meds. It causes an involuntary writhing of the muscles, facial grimacing, lip smacking, just a LOT of tic type movements. It is very similar to George's expressions.

(My first inmate who OD'd on meds (trying to catch a high) had done so on anti-psychotics. His symptom? His tongue had protruded from his mouth and he couldn't get it back in until the meds wore off. Yeah, he looked cool, lol.)

ETA: Was it Melloril?

[sunstar]

Hi sunstar!
oooo, that's right, the little matter of money !! JB won't be wanting to give up his cash cow ... the Ants better get going selling those bears! :tonguewag:

And we really don't even know who's paying him or LKB now! I just can't see the A's having money enough for their living expenses, their attorneys plus Casey's ~ unless there's a benefactor who hasn't been mentioned! :unsure: moo

[denjet]

All Hail Zeus..... :mellow:

That website is a mess. Don't know they even know what a style sheet is? Or padding? Or margins ? or float:right? That site was a rough attempt to get MONEY now.

Who the devil are the Anthony's possibly getting money from ??? Little old ladies or what?
Hi Dick!
your post made me laugh ... I think KFN and Michelle Bart tutored them on website design ... JB and DC seem to have attended the same school !! :tonguewag:

[Lapis]

even if most of it was destroyed by defragging and deleting (among other things you can do to actually clean a computer)...There would be trails on both their email servers.....also, the comm ports would tell where (by IP) the email was actually sent be it a library, internet cafe...you get the drift.....they CAN be found with lots of effort...LE should not have a problem getting warrants if in fact they were paying attention and can use this TV Circus as probable cause.

would JB also be subject to some kind of a smack down for doing such a thing???

Thank you CD I appreciate the abbreviated and easy to understand explanation. If they find something on JB's computer I would expect a smackdown. JMO

[missinglink]

Let me preface by saying I know this isn't the way you should talk to anyone, lol, and the manner in which I approached her is not "therapeutic", but it felt good. :drool:

Cindy,

Your bullheadedness, control issues and apparent refusal to follow the advice of any professional that tries to "handle" you and advise you, is ruining your entire family and is surely putting your daughter's life in worse danger than if you had behaved in a dignified and honorable way from the beginning. WHAT PART OF THAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING????

I am not a blogger who picks people apart. Actually, I have great empathy for the families of murderers because if has to be HORRIBLE for the parents. But all the ones I know of have some humility and don't act like obnoxious liars at every turn.

YOU'RE doing this Cindy. No one else. You have this whole thing run off in the ditch and you have little, if any time to change course.

Learn something from your mistakes or one day, when you finally get some personal insight which you seem to be woefully lacking, you will die from guilt because of what you've done.

You need help. Professional help. Someone stronger than you that won't allow you to bulldoze them, because that's how you roll. Full steam ahead, right or wrong, dammit. Maybe someone taught you that is a positive characteristic and may even appear as strength, but that is far from the truth.

I'm telling you all this, which sounds really mean, because I am SO frustrated with you. I know things can be so much better for you and your family in this HORRIFIC situation and I truly want you to take the opportunity to "fix" this. It's very difficult when someone refuses to see what everyone else can plainly see.


Actually, IMO, Lavinia...this is an excellent letter you wrote to her. She needs someone to not pussyfoot around with her. EXCELLENT!

[Zeus]

All Hail Zeus..... :mellow:

That website is a mess. Don't know they even know what a style sheet is? Or padding? Or margins ? or float:right? That site was a rough attempt to get MONEY now.

Who the devil are the Anthony's possibly getting money from ??? Little old ladies or what?

I hope they're getting donations from the 'thousands of people who are sending letters of support' to Cindy (according to her on Larry King). In other words---no one.

These people really get under my skin. I'd rather listen to Charlie Manson run his mouth than listen to George or Cindy. Listening to him, I think 'Wow, this guy is nuts'. Listening to C or G makes me think, 'Wow these people are nuts AND annoying.'

[PROPROS]

Great message lavinia. I hope she responds beyond, "You don't see the truth, maggot".

imo:laugh:Or the new mantra..."look up for the truth".mo

[Lapis]

I don't think they exchange letters at all, perhaps Cindy or George give a verbal message to her via Jose, but I doubt he will pass on any written letters to her. He doesn't want to risk having anything they write to her affecting the direction he has his defense going. He was not happy that Casey visited with her family on what I think was the final visit they had. He had "left the decision up to her" but she states in the interview that he didn't want her to see them. I think that is in part why they continue to go on TV, as badly as it turns out for them, they want her to know they are supoorting her and "believe her" . I htink Baez early on made it clear that his interest is Casey and if it isn't in what he considers Casey's best interest, it is not his concern. He doesn't care about Caylee, George Cindy or Lee.

I'm not sure if you meant this in a derogatory way, but that should be his only concern. He represents Casey not Caylee, George, Cindy or Lee.

[missinglink]

You're right. There is a condition called tardive dyskinesia which can come as a side effect from anti-psychotic meds. It causes an involuntary writhing of the muscles, facial grimacing, lip smacking, just a LOT of tic type movements. It is very similar to George's expressions.

(My first inmate who OD'd on meds (trying to catch a high) had done so on anti-psychotics. His symptom? His tongue had protruded from his mouth and he couldn't get it back in until the meds wore off. Yeah, he looked cool, lol.)

ETA: Was it Melloril?


YES, it was! Thank you, thank you, thank you. I was going crazy trying to come up with the name. :thumbsup:

[iluvmua]

I used to want the death penalty for Casey. Then I thought about all the endless appeals..the last minute stays of execution..and thinking about seeing Cindy's face for another 15 years (or more).

Bring on LWOP!

IMO!

K!

Even if Casey did get the DP the state would overturn it and give her Life in Prison w/o Parole in ten years.

I personally want her to spend the rest of her life behind bars crying her eyes out because she no longer has her friends or her freedom she desperately wanted.

[Lavinia]

Actually, IMO, Lavinia...this is an excellent letter you wrote to her. She needs someone to not pussyfoot around with her. EXCELLENT!

You know, I have never talked to anyone else like this in my life and I don't even have any business in Cindy's business. It is normally uncharacteristic for me to give anyone advice and butt into their situation. But I AM frustrated with her! I really, and truly hope someone can get her attention because this is so much worse than it needs to be. I have no place to write that to her, but I did, and so far, I don't feel too bad about it, lol.

[BlueTurtle]

I so agree. That is why she will be perceived by the prosecution to be a hostile witness. I think that means that they will just be able to ask her yes or no questions and she won't have the chance to elaborate at all. Of course, the defense could probably question her differently so that she can get all of her stories and explanations out there, but only after the prosecution has had a chance to make their points and let it sink in w/the jurors.

I am pretty sure many objections to any other information asked about by the defense will have strong objections by the prosecution during the guilt phase as to relevance. They don't know and so they can not speculate about activities they did not observe.

[Lapis]

Hi Lizzie!
I'm no legal eagle, but Strickland and the state seem to be on top of that so KC can't scream "ineffective counsel" down the road. Making her appear at hearings and the state trying for a gag order, etc. As far as appeal, it seems they're also being careful ... JMO
We need a professional legal opinion ... anyone?

There is a point in the trial that is the point of no return. A court will not allow a defendant to fire an attorney mid-trial. The trial will continue and she can raise the issue post trial either in a motion for a new trial or on appeal. The steps taken by the Judge have closed some of her avenues. I expect questioning of Casey at the motion at the end of the month, to be sure she understands the issues. JMO

[Dick Tracy]

Let me preface by saying I know this isn't the way you should talk to anyone, lol, and the manner in which I approached her is not "therapeutic", but it felt good. :drool:

Cindy,

Your bullheadedness, control issues and apparent refusal to follow the advice of any professional that tries to "handle" you and advise you, is ruining your entire family and is surely putting your daughter's life in worse danger than if you had behaved in a dignified and honorable way from the beginning. WHAT PART OF THAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING????

I am not a blogger who picks people apart. Actually, I have great empathy for the families of murderers because if has to be HORRIBLE for the parents. But all the ones I know of have some humility and don't act like obnoxious liars at every turn.

YOU'RE doing this Cindy. No one else. You have this whole thing run off in the ditch and you have little, if any time to change course.

Learn something from your mistakes or one day, when you finally get some personal insight which you seem to be woefully lacking, you will die from guilt because of what you've done.

You need help. Professional help. Someone stronger than you that won't allow you to bulldoze them, because that's how you roll. Full steam ahead, right or wrong, dammit. Maybe someone taught you that is a positive characteristic and may even appear as strength, but that is far from the truth.

I'm telling you all this, which sounds really mean, because I am SO frustrated with you. I know things can be so much better for you and your family in this HORRIFIC situation and I truly want you to take the opportunity to "fix" this. It's very difficult when someone refuses to see what everyone else can plainly see.

Bravo.. What a letter. You certainly don't mince words, and truly have a way with them. I wish I had someone like you as a business partner!

[iluvmua]

I often have to ask myself " Why are we all SO obsessed with this case"?

I don't think a day goes by where I don't watch or search for something about this case. maybe I'm just odd. :confused:

[Zeus]

What a great post! I so agree w/you. You just brought up some wonderful points as to why their whole foundation is a total farce.:sneaky:

I know I certainly wound enjoy someone inviting them on their show to discuss their 'foundation'....... and then question them on the ridiculousness of their claims about their foundation.

Nancy Grace would be good but they'd never agree.

[desmom]

Hey, Dick is this it?

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/12/casey_anthony_caylee_anthony_g_7.php

Lazzaro: Where is Caylee?

Anthony: I honestly don't know.

Lazzaro: I don't know. R U serious? When did u find out?

Anthony: ... I am the worst f**cking person in the entire world ... The best thing and the most important person in my life is missing and God only knows if I am ever going to see her again. I don't know what ill [sic] do if something happens to her

Later, she says:

The most important thing is getting Caylee back but i truly hope that you can forgive me..granted i will never be able to forgive myself...nor will my family.

Thank you 2witchy4u! I was thinking about Dick's post while sitting in a meeting this morning. The more I thought about it the more I thought I had read this conversation before with responses from Casey. Your post made the light bulb go off. :lol:

Tone sent the text messages to Yuri. It begins on page 42 - http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155618.pdf

[Dick Tracy]

I hope they're getting donations from the 'thousands of people who are sending letters of support' to Cindy (according to her on Larry King). In other words---no one.

These people really get under my skin. I'd rather listen to Charlie Manson run his mouth than listen to George or Cindy. Listening to him, I think 'Wow, this guy is nuts'. Listening to C or G makes me think, 'Wow these people are nuts AND annoying.'

Oh my God, that made me laugh! I've never been more annoyed watching two people on TV then the Anthony's. I've never yelled and screamed at my TV more than in the last couple of months.

[Xmygrits]

I wondered if their house was bugged but didn't know it was for sure. Have any conversations while being bugged come out, or did they never speak and just write notes to each other? How did I not know this info? lol

Also, didn't the woman who worked for Lenny claim that George did confront Casey about Caylee and they had a huge fight? Will we ever see her depositions? She has been questioned correct?

Sorry jakee it took me so long to respond. I was out for a bit.

No surveillance conversations other then the one with TL and Lee have been released in discovery.

I am not aware any information from Tracy, (LP's woman on the inside) has been released yet either. Should be interesting to hear for sure...

[breezie]

IF George is getting 40K, I wonder what all the others are getting? 140K?

that's only if donations are in excess of the 40k. Isn't Milstead in the process of foreclosure? wonder how much the KFN actually brings in. I'm sure the Anthonys are behind the Milsteads in er salary.

[Dick Tracy]

Thank you 2witchy4u! I was thinking about Dick's post while sitting in a meeting this morning. The more I thought about it the more I thought I had read this conversation before with responses from Casey. Your post made the light bulb go off. :lol:

Tone sent the text messages to Yuri. It begins on page 42 - http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155618.pdf

DESMOM! You are awesome. You were thinking of me in a meeting too. AWWWWWWWH :wub: LMAO

[iluvmua]

was Fusion Night Club in Downtown Orlando? Does anybody know where it's location was?

also, Was Fusion Night club the only club/bar that Casey Anthony frequented?

[Lavinia]

Bravo.. What a letter. You certainly don't mince words, and truly have a way with them. I wish I had someone like you as a business partner!

Thanks DT! Wanna go in on a foundation together? :sneaky:

[Pam1569]

SOS SOS SOS HELLO ALL STATIONS Dick Tracy here.

I'm currently searching for the 11/26 document dump. I'm slipping as I get older, and I can't seem to locate it... Does anyone have a link to all the documents released on 11/26?

HELP!!!!!!! I'm drowning in pdf files!

Hi DT, You can go to this site.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg2

I use it all the time. Hope you find what you need. :smile:

[desmom]

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/05/judge-to-rule-next-week-on-cas.html
Attorneys for accused child killer Casey Anthony will be back in court Tuesday, May 19th asking a judge to drop a civil suit filed by a woman named Zendaida Gonzales.

[eagleeer]

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/05/judge-to-rule-next-week-on-cas.html
Attorneys for accused child killer Casey Anthony will be back in court Tuesday, May 19th asking a judge to drop a civil suit filed by a woman named Zendaida Gonzales.

Oh yea, Good Luck with that. :rolleyes:

[missinglink]

Well, good people, I'm having internet problems and it keeps shutting down on me.

But one last thought, it's been 11 months today or possibly tomorrow, IMO, that Caylee was so cruelly murdered. I hope justice for Caylee comes sooner than later.

Take care until I see you all again!

[Lapis]

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/05/judge-to-rule-next-week-on-cas.html
Attorneys for accused child killer Casey Anthony will be back in court Tuesday, May 19th asking a judge to drop a civil suit filed by a woman named Zendaida Gonzales.

Will someone please please please publish the motion so that we can see the grounds?????????? Pretty please with sugar on top.

[seeing_eye]

O/T response: The reporting of this is confusing, but I found the truth I think. Chrysler is closing 789 dealerships. GM is planning to not renew 1,100 franchises when their contracts are up in Sept. 2010.

This may have already been addressed...I'm way behind as usual.

O/T response: My granddaughter's fiance is working as a mechanic at a dealership that is shutting down. He was on the local TV news last night. He's only worked there for a short time after he was laid off from another dealership that had shut down. My granddaughter is working at a new job she recently got after being laid off from a prior job. She took a pay cut when taking her new job.

I don't know what's going on. Sorry for the o/t post.

[Dietcokefan]

Thanks denjet. I think the "ineffective counsel" screaming would be after verdict time, reason for appeal. I'm thinking just more the Donald Trump "YOU'RE FIRED" near the end of the trial.

It would never fly with claiming ineffective counsel for Casey simply due to the fact of how many attorney's she has on her "dream team"...

[Xmygrits]

For the life of me I don't understand George. He should have known the house was bugged. As a former Detective he would have known how to find them. He could also get a Bug Detector (no pun intended) or a Signal Scrambler online to disable them. Maybe he missed that class at the Sheriff's Academy. :rolleyes:

Does anyone know if George was an actual "Detective"? Maybe Goerge was in charge of his own deputy cruiser and wrote traffic violations and broke up drunken domestic disputes.

[ksk1]

I hope the a's dont get any donors. I hope this little scheme flops big.

Abosolutely outrageous. The Anthony's are going to again profit from the Death of Caylee? How do they stomach themselves? You really cannot completely blame Casey for who she is; her bad attitude, demeanor, selfishness, self centeredness, hopefully soon to be convicted murderer. It is all about self preservation, not what is right or wrong. She is an adult now and completely responsible for her own actions, but you can really see, from the Anthony's actions, how she became who she is today.

[cassidy]

Does anyone know if George was an actual "Detective"? Maybe Goerge was in charge of his own deputy cruiser and wrote traffic violations and broke up drunken domestic disputes.


This is who he worked for while in Ohio:

http://www.sheriff.co.trumbull.oh.us/
I actually know someone who worked with him while he was there. He said George was a stand-up kinda guy and he feels sorry for him now. :shrug:

[Xmygrits]

was Fusion Night Club in Downtown Orlando? Does anybody know where it's location was?

also, Was Fusion Night club the only club/bar that Casey Anthony frequented?

No.

Yes, Waterford Lakes, a shopping village. Between Alafaya Trail, Lake Underhill Rd and Woodbury Rd on the east side of Orlando.

No. Statements from Amy, Ricardo, Lee and others have placed Casey at several other nightclubs in the Orlando area.

[Xmygrits]

shades of Barney Fyffe.

:lol: To a "T"!

[TunaMelt]

That's it exactly Frances! The first few times I saw him, I thought he was a distinguished, dashing looking man. Then the expressions began. :scared: And that's EXACTLY what he conveys in his testosterone depleted way; that he's not responsible for *anything*. He's just along for the ride without doing any real things for himself. No real work, no real decisions, no real convictions. By gosh, he's just SUCH an unwilling victim. Now, when things don't work out so hot, he will be the first in line to say it wasn't HIS idea, I would bet.

Grrr. I can't stand a man I can't respect.

About George's "straight line mouth" that Frances described so well and that you're responding to as well: it makes me nuts when I see that.
Just nuts. It's like he's got a rubber mouth or something.

The character "Monk" makes that same mouth on occasion, as a joke.

Also, it really reminds me of the Peanut characters from the late Charles Shultz. How he drew mouths in a straight line, or slight variations of a straight line.

Or the Muppets. There's a couple Muppets who make a straight line expression and big eyes, and they look like George to me. Except the Muppets make me laugh like hell, and when George does it, like you I want to smack that expression off his face NOW, it's so annoying.

It's all part of that "little boy out with his parents" and "Who me, I didn't do it" thing he does. His maturity level stopped somewhere around 16 or 17 I think.

GAH.
:mad:
That's one of my Top Ten Annoying Things That George Does.

The other nine just give me a headache to think about. So I won't.
:wink:

[sunstar]

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/05/judge-to-rule-next-week-on-cas.html
Attorneys for accused child killer Casey Anthony will be back in court Tuesday, May 19th asking a judge to drop a civil suit filed by a woman named Zendaida Gonzales.

What a "HUGE WASTE" of the court's time! MOO

[Xmygrits]

This is who he worked for while in Ohio:

http://www.sheriff.co.trumbull.oh.us/
I actually know someone who worked with him while he was there. He said George was a stand-up kinda guy and he feels sorry for him now. :shrug:

Was this prior to his first Cynthia Pleasa encounter?

edit to add: Trumbull County, population 225,116

[Lavinia]

Hey! What am I... chopped liver?!

Annie
Lead Detective
Dick's Right Hand Man :lol:

I'm thinking I might need to write to Cindy again. Lavinia has inspired me.

Re-word your job description Annie! :biggrinjester:

Be sure and let us know what you send to CMA!

[desmom]

Will someone please please please publish the motion so that we can see the grounds?????????? Pretty please with sugar on top.

I am horrible at legalese. Here are links to the motions I could find re the ZFG lawsuit:

Defendant's answer to complaint and the defendant's counter-claim and affirmative defenses
http://www.wftv.com/news/17983147/detail.html

Plaintiff's proffer in support of adding claim for punitive damages against defendant Casey Anthony and Incorporated memorandum of Law
http://www.forthepeople.com/Zenaida_Proffer_in_Support_of_Punitive_Damages.pdf

Motion to Compel (Casey to answer questions I think)
http://www.forthepeople.com/Zenaida_Gonzalez_Interrogatories.pdf

In posting the last link, I see http://www.forthepeople.com/ has a list of links titled "Casey Anthony: Case Filings" about 1/3 way down on the left hand side of the page next to the pic of the gavel. LOL

[TunaMelt]

You are right he doesn't want to be there, he is very uncomfortable lying, not to say he doesn't lie but I do think it bothers him to be telling such whoppers. Cindy doesn;t mind, she opens her mouth like a gumball machine and out rolls another lie, with dozens more waiting to spew forth. I think George would be satisfied to say " she's my daughter and I love her" Cindy is driving the Alibi Tour bus, he is a passenger too weak or spineless to get off at the next stop.

Speaking of gumballs where is Lee lately? and what about Mallory's baby? It has been one looong pregnancy( if she ever was).

My bold, above.

That simile is priceless!
It's so good.
:lol:

[Lavinia]

Thank you but I can't open it for some reason. My computer used to let me read files and then it stopped for some reason. Any one know what my problem may be.

Sorry, O/T

Try deleting Adobe and downloading a new one.

ETA: Is Adobe your default PDF reader?

[Lavinia]

This is who he worked for while in Ohio:

http://www.sheriff.co.trumbull.oh.us/
I actually know someone who worked with him while he was there. He said George was a stand-up kinda guy and he feels sorry for him now. :shrug:

Thanks for the info cassidy! I bet most guys feel sorry for him now.

[Lavinia]

Was this prior to his first Cynthia Pleasa encounter?

edit to add: Trumbull County, population 225,116

Wow, a little more populated than I would have thought. He should have gotten pretty good experience in a population that large for as long as he was there. Surely more experience than his silly lies suggest.

[desmom]

isn't it ironic that when Cindy visited Casey in jail she told her that she was getting a lot of really negative mail and Casey popped up with oh that's a shame, all the mail I get has been really positive. Are we to believe the tables have turned 180 degrees?


Nope, it is just the Cindy-Casey-One-Upwomanship Show. jmo

[eagleeer]

Does anyone know if George was an actual "Detective"? Maybe Goerge was in charge of his own deputy cruiser and wrote traffic violations and broke up drunken domestic disputes.

Yes, George Anthony did work for the Trumbull County Sheriffs Office for just short of 10 years. He was a homocide detective. He was well respected on the department as told by the then Sheriff who earlier in George's career was his partner. He said that George was a good detective, a good family man and a good friend. They lived in Warren, OH at the time. He left the department to go into business with his father. When they had the dust up and George threw his father through a plate glass window at the dealership George quit and moved his family to Orlando.

[Xmygrits]

isn't it ironic that when Cindy visited Casey in jail she told her that she was getting a lot of really negative mail and Casey popped up with oh that's a shame, all the mail I get has been really positive. Are we to believe the tables have turned 180 degrees?

It's more then a table, it's the Anthony freakin carousel ish, with horsies and clowns and cindy's oh my! Round and round we go, where they stop, nobody knows.

[KP1935]

shades of Barney Fyffe.

I can TOTALLY see ole George trying to get his one bullet out of his shirt pocket!

Maybe the A's should "Nip it in the bud! Nip it!"

:w00t:

[Xmygrits]

Wow, a little more populated than I would have thought. He should have gotten pretty good experience in a population that large for as long as he was there. Surely more experience than his silly lies suggest.

I don't get it. At all.

[Abbie]

Does anyone know if George was an actual "Detective"? Maybe Goerge was in charge of his own deputy cruiser and wrote traffic violations and broke up drunken domestic disputes.

Like Barney Fife on Andy Griffith show? LOL.

In the beginning for quite awhile media was reporting he was an ex-homocide detective...which turned out to not be true so who knows, maybe he was just a renta a cop, like he was in Fla before he hopped on the Cayle/Casey Gravy Train.

Heart attack? Probably.
And Cindy will be filmed being mouthy outside the courtroom, it will be all drama all the time once the trial starts.
Its anybody's guess what Lee's role, if any, will be in future. He seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.

And Casey is getting fat and fatter- one of her thousands of fans should write to her and educate her about those carbs...
oh well what does it matter, she can let her body to to **** in a handbasket, nobody will be spooning with her anytime soon.

[Xmygrits]

Yes, George Anthony did work for the Trumbull County Sheriffs Office for just short of 10 years. He was a homocide detective. He was well respected on the department as told by the then Sheriff who earlier in George's career was his partner. He said that George was a good detective, a good family man and a good friend. They lived in Warren, OH at the time. He left the department to go into business with his father. When they had the dust up and George threw his father through a plate glass window at the dealership George quit and moved his family to Orlando.

Do you know what years? Early 80's?

[101Spots]

Let me preface by saying I know this isn't the way you should talk to anyone, lol, and the manner in which I approached her is not "therapeutic", but it felt good. :drool:

Cindy,

Your bullheadedness, control issues and apparent refusal to follow the advice of any professional that tries to "handle" you and advise you, is ruining your entire family and is surely putting your daughter's life in worse danger than if you had behaved in a dignified and honorable way from the beginning. WHAT PART OF THAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING????

I am not a blogger who picks people apart. Actually, I have great empathy for the families of murderers because if has to be HORRIBLE for the parents. But all the ones I know of have some humility and don't act like obnoxious liars at every turn.

YOU'RE doing this Cindy. No one else. You have this whole thing run off in the ditch and you have little, if any time to change course.

Learn something from your mistakes or one day, when you finally get some personal insight which you seem to be woefully lacking, you will die from guilt because of what you've done.

You need help. Professional help. Someone stronger than you that won't allow you to bulldoze them, because that's how you roll. Full steam ahead, right or wrong, dammit. Maybe someone taught you that is a positive characteristic and may even appear as strength, but that is far from the truth.

I'm telling you all this, which sounds really mean, because I am SO frustrated with you. I know things can be so much better for you and your family in this HORRIFIC situation and I truly want you to take the opportunity to "fix" this. It's very difficult when someone refuses to see what everyone else can plainly see.

Bravo!!!

But she won't get past, "Your bull......." before it's deleted.

But I enjoyed it.:thumbsup:

[Dick Tracy]

Thanks DT! Wanna go in on a foundation together? :sneaky:

Sure Lavinia! How about we start the "America Against the Anthony's Foundation" ? :ohmy::ohmy:

[Abbie]

Yes, George Anthony did work for the Trumbull County Sheriffs Office for just short of 10 years. He was a homocide detective. He was well respected on the department as told by the then Sheriff who earlier in George's career was his partner. He said that George was a good detective, a good family man and a good friend. They lived in Warren, OH at the time. He left the department to go into business with his father. When they had the dust up and George threw his father through a plate glass window at the dealership George quit and moved his family to Orlando.

oh grits, ignore my post a few up, I didn't know it was confirmed about George and being homocide detective...thanks for that info though!!:smile:

[Xmygrits]

Like Barney Fife on Andy Griffith show? LOL.

In the beginning for quite awhile media was reporting he was an ex-homocide detective...which turned out to not be true so who knows, maybe he was just a renta a cop, like he was in Fla before he hopped on the Cayle/Casey Gravy Train.

Heart attack? Probably.
And Cindy will be filmed being mouthy outside the courtroom, it will be all drama all the time once the trial starts.
Its anybody's guess what Lee's role, if any, will be in future. He seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.

And Casey is getting fat and fatter- one of her thousands of fans should write to her and educate her about those carbs...
oh well what does it matter, she can let her body to to **** in a handbasket, nobody will be spooning with her anytime soon.

I have a vague memory hearing GA saying on camera at some point that he had NOT been a homicide detective. Several other posters here claim to have knowledge that he was.

[Lapis]

I am horrible at legalese. Here are links to the motions I could find re the ZFG lawsuit:

Defendant's answer to complaint and the defendant's counter-claim and affirmative defenses
http://www.wftv.com/news/17983147/detail.html

Plaintiff's proffer in support of adding claim for punitive damages against defendant Casey Anthony and Incorporated memorandum of Law
http://www.forthepeople.com/Zenaida_Proffer_in_Support_of_Punitive_Damages.pdf

Motion to Compel (Casey to answer questions I think)
http://www.forthepeople.com/Zenaida_Gonzalez_Interrogatories.pdf

In posting the last link, I see http://www.forthepeople.com/ has a list of links titled "Casey Anthony: Case Filings" about 1/3 way down on the left hand side of the page next to the pic of the gavel. LOL

Unfortunately he only posts his filings not the filings by the other party. Thanks for the efforts.

[Xmygrits]

oh grits, ignore my post a few up, I didn't know nit was confirmed about George and being homocide detective...thanks for that info though!!:smile:

Too late! See post above!

[CeruleanBleu]

This is who he worked for while in Ohio:

http://www.sheriff.co.trumbull.oh.us/
I actually know someone who worked with him while he was there. He said George was a stand-up kinda guy and he feels sorry for him now. :shrug:

Hi, Do you happen to know if this person knows the first
Mrs. George Anthony? (Terri) I would love to hear what she has to say.

[Daffodil]

O/T response: My granddaughter's fiance is working as a mechanic at a dealership that is shutting down. He was on the local TV news last night. He's only worked there for a short time after he was laid off from another dealership that had shut down. My granddaughter is working at a new job she recently got after being laid off from a prior job. She took a pay cut when taking her new job.

I don't know what's going on. Sorry for the o/t post.



Seeing Eye: I hear you. My heart goes out to them, along with a prayer. Our whole nation is going to be negatively affected by all these closings. That is why it is so important to keep abreast of what is going on in our country. Even though we haven't lost a job, it still affects each and every one of us.

[Daffodil]

I hate to wish anything ugly on anyone, but I can see this happening too. And it would be all his own fault. I cannot imagine the stress of having to keep lying and lying and lying again to cover up all the lies they've told from the beginning.

And you're right when you say he did NOT want to be there. Why would he go through that charade once again? Cindy must have some major control over that dude.



I saw George take a baby step on LK to speak for himself when he said he did not have the chance to talk to Casey the way he wanted to. Why can't the media know when to let people keep talking? I don't remember who spoke next, but Larry should have followed up on that. George really looked, to me, like he wanted to get something out there to go against Cindy. His facial expressions just said so muchl I think he wants off the train.........and there aren't any scheduled stops so he is going to have to jump off while the train is going!!

[CeruleanBleu]

Do you know what years? Early 80's?

George was a Detective with the Trumbull County Sheriff's Dept from 1974-1985.

[eagleeer]

Do you know what years? Early 80's?

I will have to go back through my links to this information. It was I believe when Casey was quite young or not born yet. She might have been born in Orlando. Not sure. I think late 80's though.

[Daffodil]

I agree one hundred percent. In her own passive aggressive way Cindy is doing everything in her power to hurt Casey's chances of getting an acquittal. JB and BC must have told her this, and if she reads the blogs or watches TV and we know she does, she hears the Talking Heads saying the same thing. Why doesn't she shut the He77 Up then? Cause she wants to see Casey punished, but wants to keep her "my daughter is innocent act up in public" Remember her tone and words when Casey called from jail "SWeetHeart it's not my fault you're in jail it is yours for telling lies" Cindy I'm sure told Casey over the years that some day her lies would get her in trouble, she was powerless to stop her from telling them and I think she got a great deal of satisfaction from seeing her lying daughter hauled off to jail. Cindy was itching to say that for years and got her chance, Sadly it wasn't over some petty theft she committed and lied about, but over the death of her daughter.



Notice how she seems to mention Nancy Grace a lot? I think she wants to piss off Nancy Grace. I think she is going to continue to try to keep needling her so Nancy Grace says or does something that would, in turn, give Cindy the chance to sue her. Now she would be hitting the big jackpot!!! Ding, ding, ding. And I think Nancy Grace knows this and that is the only reason she always says she does not blame the grandparents.

[eagleeer]

George was a Detective with the Trumbull County Sheriff's Dept from 1974-1985.

Thanks, you saved me from going back through my notes and links. :smile:

[desmom]

Unfortunately he only posts his filings not the filings by the other party. Thanks for the efforts.

hmmm, okay let me look :chicken:

[ksk1]

Is there any evidence that a babysitter was getting paid? I guess the answer is that Casey would say she paid cash. We will never know for sure because Casey did not have a job and the Anthony's would lie and say they paid the babysitter.

I have heard Cindy say that she had phone numbers for "Zanny". If so the phone company can track that down, even if the phone numbers were disconnected.

There is no way that you take your child to someone's house everyday then all of a sudden you cant find the house?

I have a theory, perhaps it has been said before, that I think Casey drugged Caylee so she could party, and she was "lucky" for a while since she got away with this for so long, perhaps almost two years. Then the last time she drugged Caylee, she could not wake her up. The reason I think this is the way it happened because, there was no babysitter, and Caylee had to be somewhere everyday when Cassey pretended to go to work, and while she was out partying night after night.
When she could not wake up Caylee, Casey panicked, burried the baby, then made up this story about the babysitter. She drugged her child, and therefore eventually caused the death of her child. If Casey had not lied and just admitted that it was an accident, she could have saved her life own, but she does not have the truth in her.

[Daffodil]

Abosolutely outrageous. The Anthony's are going to again profit from the Death of Caylee? How do they stomach themselves? You really cannot completely blame Casey for who she is; her bad attitude, demeanor, selfishness, self centeredness, hopefully soon to be convicted murderer. It is all about self preservation, not what is right or wrong. She is an adult now and completely responsible for her own actions, but you can really see, from the Anthony's actions, how she became who she is today.



Yes, I agree with you. But I also remind myself that other people have been brought up in worse conditions and ended up doing great things with their lives.

[puleeze09]

Good morning DT...
IF the boyfriend knows to ask her if she told and showed the police the apartment then why was there not more on the boyfriend. It indicates either they had talked about where the Nanny lives or he was with her supposedly at some time when she allegedly dropped the baby off.:confused: Strange statement. Yea, I sure would like to see the text in it's entirety.:sneaky:
Could there be more than meets the eye on this boyfriend.

Casey and casey alone committed this horrific crime. There have been no other suspects named by LE so please stop accusing others of this crime when it was casey who did it. :rolleyes:

[Dick Tracy]

George was a Detective with the Trumbull County Sheriff's Dept from 1974-1985.

George was a REAL DETECTIVE?

KING: Weird.

[GIGI4256]

I saw George take a baby step on LK to speak for himself when he said he did not have the chance to talk to Casey the way he wanted to. Why can't the media know when to let people keep talking? I don't remember who spoke next, but Larry should have followed up on that. George really looked, to me, like he wanted to get something out there to go against Cindy. His facial expressions just said so muchl I think he wants off the train.........and there aren't any scheduled stops so he is going to have to jump off while the train is going!!

Don't let him fool you. He's in this up to his eyebrows and loving it just as much as Cindy. For the first time in his life, he's earning a paycheck (0ff of his ggd's murder). JMO

[eagleeer]

Thanks, you saved me from going back through my notes and links. :smile:

Found on that clears some of this up. The A's left OH in 1989 to move to Orlando.

http://www.mygtv.net/?p=7576

[101Spots]

You are more than kind. Unfortunately I have no time right now. Had to put one of my precious babies to sleep on Monday and the other has now been diagnosed with kidney disease. Busy trying to baby him. Am posting in between showering him with love.

I know how much that hurts. My deepest sympathies.

[*MoonRider*]

You are more than kind. Unfortunately I have no time right now. Had to put one of my precious babies to sleep on Monday and the other has now been diagnosed with kidney disease. Busy trying to baby him. Am posting in between showering him with love.

Sorry to hear that. I wish him the best :rose:

[frances1]

I so agree. That is why she will be perceived by the prosecution to be a hostile witness. I think that means that they will just be able to ask her yes or no questions and she won't have the chance to elaborate at all. Of course, the defense could probably question her differently so that she can get all of her stories and explanations out there, but only after the prosecution has had a chance to make their points and let it sink in w/the jurors.

Yes, and amid many objections from the prosecution re: speculation on the part of the witness Cindy, IMO.

[GIGI4256]

You are more than kind. Unfortunately I have no time right now. Had to put one of my precious babies to sleep on Monday and the other has now been diagnosed with kidney disease. Busy trying to baby him. Am posting in between showering him with love.

Awww, I'm sorry. Been there. :sad:

[IM4Truth]

Hi, Do you happen to know if this person knows the first
Mrs. George Anthony? (Terri) I would love to hear what she has to say.

Huh? Was George married before? I didn't know that!!!!

[frances1]

Hi, Do you happen to know if this person knows the first
Mrs. George Anthony? (Terri) I would love to hear what she has to say.

I keep forgetting that George may have been married before. Do we know this for sure?

[Xmygrits]

George was a Detective with the Trumbull County Sheriff's Dept from 1974-1985.

Thank you. So it has been a long long long time as George stated on LKL.

[CeruleanBleu]

Huh? Was George married before? I didn't know that!!!!

Yes, he was married for about 5 years before he married Cindy.
His first wife's brother posted this on another forum many months ago, this is his direct quote:
"My sister terri was married to George Anthony during the mid to late 70’s. They dated all through high school and married for about 5 years, of not so wonderful wedding bliss.
She can tell you that George Anthony was an habitual liar. He had to always fabricate his stories, constantly lying, that was the main reason they divorced.
George’s father Lee, owned and operated a very successful used car dealership for many years in Niles, Ohio, called Anthony’s Auto Sales, before retiring to Florida.
I wonder were George learned to lie so well. He was born in to it, litterally.
As they say, “Like father, like daughter.”
Give my sister a call and she’ll enlighten you of George Anthony’s dark, deceitful side evidently passed on to his daughter"

[Xmygrits]

You are more than kind. Unfortunately I have no time right now. Had to put one of my precious babies to sleep on Monday and the other has now been diagnosed with kidney disease. Busy trying to baby him. Am posting in between showering him with love.

:rose: I'm so sorry.

[Daffodil]

You are more than kind. Unfortunately I have no time right now. Had to put one of my precious babies to sleep on Monday and the other has now been diagnosed with kidney disease. Busy trying to baby him. Am posting in between showering him with love.



My prayers go out to you. Wishing the best.

[Dick Tracy]

Good morning DT...
IF the boyfriend knows to ask her if she told and showed the police the apartment then why was there not more on the boyfriend. It indicates either they had talked about where the Nanny lives or he was with her supposedly at some time when she allegedly dropped the baby off.:confused: Strange statement. Yea, I sure would like to see the text in it's entirety.:sneaky:
Could there be more than meets the eye on this boyfriend.

Trust me.. I'm currently hanging up sidedown in my office, looking at that exchange of information, and there is MORE than meets the eye on the communications from CASEY. TL didn't know squat because he wouldn't have asked Casey all these questions about where did you drop caylee off at etc...... had he known them.

It's Casey. She's going to get the shaft at the end of the trial. And it's not going to be the shaft she's accustomed to.

[Xmygrits]

Is there any evidence that a babysitter was getting paid? I guess the answer is that Casey would say she paid cash. We will never know for sure because Casey did not have a job and the Anthony's would lie and say they paid the babysitter.

I have heard Cindy say that she had phone numbers for "Zanny". If so the phone company can track that down, even if the phone numbers were disconnected.

There is no way that you take your child to someone's house everyday then all of a sudden you cant find the house?

I have a theory, perhaps it has been said before, that I think Casey drugged Caylee so she could party, and she was "lucky" for a while since she got away with this for so long, perhaps almost two years. Then the last time she drugged Caylee, she could not wake her up. The reason I think this is the way it happened because, there was no babysitter, and Caylee had to be somewhere everyday when Cassey pretended to go to work, and while she was out partying night after night.
When she could not wake up Caylee, Casey panicked, burried the baby, then made up this story about the babysitter. She drugged her child, and therefore eventually caused the death of her child. If Casey had not lied and just admitted that it was an accident, she could have saved her life own, but she does not have the truth in her.

Bold mine.

According to Cindy and Casey, Zeniada was very well to do and watched Caylee for free. Oh and bought her cloths, diapers, food, playpens, cribs, car seats, etc so everything baby was duplicated for Caylee at Auntie Zeniada's house.

[CelticDawn]

Huh? Was George married before? I didn't know that!!!!

I'm on it!


Do you happen to know when approximately ...and where (state) they were married???


I wish george would grow a spine and just come out and tell LE what he needs to tell them.....I believe that he really wants to ...but that since HE HAS ALLOWED CINDY TO SUPPORT HIM AS IF HE WERE A CHILD AND NOT A HUSBAND that he is dependent and scared and doesnt know how to dig his way out of that hole he has dug for himself for 20 some-odd years....

[CeruleanBleu]

I keep forgetting that George may have been married before. Do we know this for sure?
Definitely. I checked it all out on the Trumbull Co clerk site.
I tried searching there just now and it seems to be having problems. I can give you her maiden name and also her now married name. Not sure if I'm allowed to post last names on here, am I? her brother's name is Gregg (Rusty) Rosen-----r.

[crimeq]

Good Morning DT.. Sorry, I have no idea where that information went. So much gets lost in the piles and piles of stuff..

I'm looking for something too. A link to that Albabrossi lady. I think that is how you spell it..

Hi Tam, just got on so I don't know if someone has answered you already.

Go to youtubes and look for 'tubes by Albatross234. You'll find a link to contact her too, if you want.

[Abbie]

Is there any evidence that a babysitter was getting paid? I guess the answer is that Casey would say she paid cash. We will never know for sure because Casey did not have a job and the Anthony's would lie and say they paid the babysitter.

I have heard Cindy say that she had phone numbers for "Zanny". If so the phone company can track that down, even if the phone numbers were disconnected.

There is no way that you take your child to someone's house everyday then all of a sudden you cant find the house?

I have a theory, perhaps it has been said before, that I think Casey drugged Caylee so she could party, and she was "lucky" for a while since she got away with this for so long, perhaps almost two years. Then the last time she drugged Caylee, she could not wake her up. The reason I think this is the way it happened because, there was no babysitter, and Caylee had to be somewhere everyday when Cassey pretended to go to work, and while she was out partying night after night.
When she could not wake up Caylee, Casey panicked, burried the baby, then made up this story about the babysitter. She drugged her child, and therefore eventually caused the death of her child. If Casey had not lied and just admitted that it was an accident, she could have saved her life own, but she does not have the truth in her.

I'm betting that Casey was a horrible mother, and Cindy provided the stability/ structure Caylee needed. My whole theory in a nutshell is:

Fight did happen on Fathers Day, as mentioned by Lee, and a neighbor. I also think Cindy threatened custody of Caylee that night during the fight.. Casey thinks on that one awhile after the fight that night and realizes if her mom gets custody, she could kick her out of the house and she would have nobody to financially support her anymore. BUT...she held the cards because Caylee was HER child and legally, she could take Caylee away ANYTIME since she was an adult. So she started to form a plan to leave w/ Caylee, that fathers day night. Next day, as George (does or does not, choose your flavor) sees her and Caylee depart with monkey backpacks off for a day to work and presumably the nanny. George leaves for work on the 3-11 shift but goes in a little early, its a new job he just started a few days previous and had some more oriatation stuff he had to get out of the way too (where did I read that? Ages ago...)
Cindy is at Gentiva, working.
Casey waits till George is gone and comes back in the house with Caylee. She lets Caylee go swimming after Caylee asks/ begs her and perhaps Casey even put her arm floaties on and through she would be ok....at any rate I think Casey was home to use the computer to try to lie her way into a place to stay, with Caylee.

Everythoing went horribly wrong and Caylee drowned, an accident but one of neglegence. Thus the barrage of phone calls from a panicked Casey to her parents....but they don't 'pick up'. She realizes that caylee is dead and she will be blamed and her parents will probably throw her out of the house (I don;t think she ever DREAMED she would end up going to jail...) Thus, she wrapped Caylee in the laundry bag, then other bag, then into her trunk...were I beleive Caylees body was in the trunk of her car that night (Monday night) as she is on videotape w/ Tony later renting videos.
When the odor became strong, she dumped the body in the woods. But the smell permeated in her car and thats why she 'dumped' it at the Ascot that day.........

[True2Blues]

Bold mine.

According to Cindy and Casey, Zeniada was very well to do and watched Caylee for free. Oh and bought her cloths, diapers, food, playpens, cribs, car seats, etc so everything baby was duplicated for Caylee at Auntie Zeniada's house.

And that's soooooo believable! LOL I think Casey meant to say she was a fairy godmother. :rolleyes:

[IM4Truth]

Good morning DT...
IF the boyfriend knows to ask her if she told and showed the police the apartment then why was there not more on the boyfriend. It indicates either they had talked about where the Nanny lives or he was with her supposedly at some time when she allegedly dropped the baby off.:confused: Strange statement. Yea, I sure would like to see the text in it's entirety.:sneaky:
Could there be more than meets the eye on this boyfriend.

Not at all. TL didn't know anything about Casey dropping Caylee off at the apt. until it all broke in the news. He has taken lie detector tests and passed. He has cooperated fully with LE. He even stated in those texts that he would do everything to help find Caylee. Why would you even suspect him? Casey worked alone. Period.

[CelticDawn]

Originally Posted by ksk1 View Post
Is there any evidence that a babysitter was getting paid? I guess the answer is that Casey would say she paid cash. We will never know for sure because Casey did not have a job and the Anthony's would lie and say they paid the babysitter.

I have heard Cindy say that she had phone numbers for "Zanny". If so the phone company can track that down, even if the phone numbers were disconnected.

There is no way that you take your child to someone's house everyday then all of a sudden you cant find the house?

I have a theory, perhaps it has been said before, that I think Casey drugged Caylee so she could party, and she was "lucky" for a while since she got away with this for so long, perhaps almost two years. Then the last time she drugged Caylee, she could not wake her up. The reason I think this is the way it happened because, there was no babysitter, and Caylee had to be somewhere everyday when Cassey pretended to go to work, and while she was out partying night after night.
When she could not wake up Caylee, Casey panicked, burried the baby, then made up this story about the babysitter. She drugged her child, and therefore eventually caused the death of her child. If Casey had not lied and just admitted that it was an accident, she could have saved her life own, but she does not have the truth in her.


the defense is going to argue that no drugs were found in what was left of caylee's remains.....HOWever....that does not prove nor disprove that Casey did not do exactly that: drugged the child.

If casey had admitted to accidentally overdosing caylee, then it would still be first degree murder because to give a chidl drugs is a felony (unprescribed) and an aggravating factor....and since caylee would have died as a result of said felony....it would be murder one anyway.

[Xmygrits]

Yes, he was married for about 5 years before he married Cindy.
His first wife's brother posted this on another forum many months ago, this is his direct quote:
"My sister terri was married to George Anthony during the mid to late 70’s. They dated all through high school and married for about 5 years, of not so wonderful wedding bliss.
She can tell you that George Anthony was an habitual liar. He had to always fabricate his stories, constantly lying, that was the main reason they divorced.
George’s father Lee, owned and operated a very successful used car dealership for many years in Niles, Ohio, called Anthony’s Auto Sales, before retiring to Florida.
I wonder were George learned to lie so well. He was born in to it, litterally.
As they say, “Like father, like daughter.”
Give my sister a call and she’ll enlighten you of George Anthony’s dark, deceitful side evidently passed on to his daughter"

This senario fits better with me with regard to George vs a George who was a wonderful homicide detective and stand up family guy but flipped a switch and is now a lying pethetic mess. Personalities typcially do not change dramatically for the most part.

[IM4Truth]

Definitely. I checked it all out on the Trumbull Co clerk site.
I tried searching there just now and it seems to be having problems. I can give you her maiden name and also her now married name. Not sure if I'm allowed to post last names on here, am I? her brother's name is Gregg (Rusty) Rosen-----r.

I wonder why the media hasn't hit them up yet? Good for background on George anyway.

[Dick Tracy]

Is there any evidence that a babysitter was getting paid? I guess the answer is that Casey would say she paid cash. We will never know for sure because Casey did not have a job and the Anthony's would lie and say they paid the babysitter.

I have heard Cindy say that she had phone numbers for "Zanny". If so the phone company can track that down, even if the phone numbers were disconnected.

There is no way that you take your child to someone's house everyday then all of a sudden you cant find the house?

I have a theory, perhaps it has been said before, that I think Casey drugged Caylee so she could party, and she was "lucky" for a while since she got away with this for so long, perhaps almost two years. Then the last time she drugged Caylee, she could not wake her up. The reason I think this is the way it happened because, there was no babysitter, and Caylee had to be somewhere everyday when Cassey pretended to go to work, and while she was out partying night after night.
When she could not wake up Caylee, Casey panicked, burried the baby, then made up this story about the babysitter. She drugged her child, and therefore eventually caused the death of her child. If Casey had not lied and just admitted that it was an accident, she could have saved her life own, but she does not have the truth in her.

Hello.

I liked how your theory read, and I for one, would be prone to agree with you because I think something similar happened. I don't think that Casey meant to KILL. But........... then that flies in the face of logic when you see the mountainous amount of evidence, doodling, diary entries, weird facebook images of death, renting videos that were so similar to what actually happened here (I'm going to research that more also) and then researching chloroform, shovel, neck-breaking..... the list is really endless. Why would she research a Zanny in May? Ya know?

Casey will be convicted. No doubt in my military mind. Sadly, almost all parties involved know that.

[Xmygrits]

And that's soooooo believable! LOL I think Casey meant to say she was a fairy godmother. :rolleyes:

Oh I forgot to mention she was a perfect '10' Fairy Godsomethingorother.

[eagleeer]

Trust me.. I'm currently hanging up sidedown in my office, looking at that exchange of information, and there is MORE than meets the eye on the communications from CASEY. TL didn't know squat because he wouldn't have asked Casey all these questions about where did you drop caylee off at etc...... had he known them.

It's Casey. She's going to get the shaft at the end of the trial. And it's not going to be the shaft she's accustomed to.

Ouch!!, That could hurt.

[Daffodil]

I'm betting that Casey was a horrible mother, and Cindy provided the stability/ structure Caylee needed. My whole theory in a nutshell is:

Fight did happen on Fathers Day, as mentioned by Lee, and a neighbor. I also think Cindy threatened custody of Caylee that night during the fight.. Casey thinks on that one awhile after the fight that night and realizes if her mom gets custody, she could kick her out of the house and she would have nobody to financially support her anymore. BUT...she held the cards because Caylee was HER child and legally, she could take Caylee away ANYTIME since she was an adult. So she started to form a plan to leave w/ Caylee, that fathers day night. Next day, as George (does or does not, choose your flavor) sees her and Caylee depart with monkey backpacks off for a day to work and presumably the nanny. George leaves for work on the 3-11 shift but goes in a little early, its a new job he just started a few days previous and had some more oriatation stuff he had to get out of the way too (where did I read that? Ages ago...)
Cindy is at Gentiva, working.
Casey waits till George is gone and comes back in the house with Caylee. She lets Caylee go swimming after Caylee asks/ begs her and perhaps Casey even put her arm floaties on and through she would be ok....at any rate I think Casey was home to use the computer to try to lie her way into a place to stay, with Caylee.

Everythoing went horribly wrong and Caylee drowned, an accident but one of neglegence. Thus the barrage of phone calls from a panicked Casey to her parents....but they don't 'pick up'. She realizes that caylee is dead and she will be blamed and her parents will probably throw her out of the house (I don;t think she ever DREAMED she would end up going to jail...) Thus, she wrapped Caylee in the laundry bag, then other bag, then into her trunk...were I beleive Caylees body was in the trunk of her car that night (Monday night) as she is on videotape w/ Tony later renting videos.
When the odor became strong, she dumped the body in the woods. But the smell permeated in her car and thats why she 'dumped' it at the Ascot that day.........




Here is what I want to know: Were Cindy and George in the habit of not answering Casey's calls? Or were they in the habit of always answering her calls. Because if they were in the habit of always answering her calls, that puts a red flag up for me...........makes me wonder if they were ignoring her ............it was her problem now.......she will have to come up with a legit reason for what happened.........but Casey can't come up with a reason or really just didn't care.........she had more important things to do........that is why Cindy wrote her angel is missing on July 3rd..............that is why she never asked Tony where Caylee was, even though Casey was at his apartment. .....wouldn't she have thought to search every square inch of that apartment?

[CelticDawn]

I'm in shock here. Remember when George told detectives about his sister's mental illness? He said he hoped it hadn't skipped down to Casey, but obviously he was born into it too.

And then for him to have found Cindy. How on earth do people like this find one another?! :scared:

that explains a lot.....a product of a used car dealer!!!

and mental illness???....haah...just plain old LIAR

[CeruleanBleu]

I wonder why the media hasn't hit them up yet? Good for background on George anyway.

If anyone will let me know if it's ok to post last names, I have her maiden name and her now married name.

[AMS]

You are more than kind. Unfortunately I have no time right now. Had to put one of my precious babies to sleep on Monday and the other has now been diagnosed with kidney disease. Busy trying to baby him. Am posting in between showering him with love.

I am so sorry Lapis. Are your babies dogs or cats?

Our dog (11 years old) was coughing every morning. Turns out she had a big tumor - lung cancer. She had surgery a few weeks ago and they think they got it all but the surgery really aged her. I just love her to pieces.

Good thoughts coming your way.

[IM4Truth]

I'm betting that Casey was a horrible mother, and Cindy provided the stability/ structure Caylee needed. My whole theory in a nutshell is:

Fight did happen on Fathers Day, as mentioned by Lee, and a neighbor. I also think Cindy threatened custody of Caylee that night during the fight.. Casey thinks on that one awhile after the fight that night and realizes if her mom gets custody, she could kick her out of the house and she would have nobody to financially support her anymore. BUT...she held the cards because Caylee was HER child and legally, she could take Caylee away ANYTIME since she was an adult. So she started to form a plan to leave w/ Caylee, that fathers day night. Next day, as George (does or does not, choose your flavor) sees her and Caylee depart with monkey backpacks off for a day to work and presumably the nanny. George leaves for work on the 3-11 shift but goes in a little early, its a new job he just started a few days previous and had some more oriatation stuff he had to get out of the way too (where did I read that? Ages ago...)
Cindy is at Gentiva, working.
Casey waits till George is gone and comes back in the house with Caylee. She lets Caylee go swimming after Caylee asks/ begs her and perhaps Casey even put her arm floaties on and through she would be ok....at any rate I think Casey was home to use the computer to try to lie her way into a place to stay, with Caylee.

Everythoing went horribly wrong and Caylee drowned, an accident but one of neglegence. Thus the barrage of phone calls from a panicked Casey to her parents....but they don't 'pick up'. She realizes that caylee is dead and she will be blamed and her parents will probably throw her out of the house (I don;t think she ever DREAMED she would end up going to jail...) Thus, she wrapped Caylee in the laundry bag, then other bag, then into her trunk...were I beleive Caylees body was in the trunk of her car that night (Monday night) as she is on videotape w/ Tony later renting videos.
When the odor became strong, she dumped the body in the woods. But the smell permeated in her car and thats why she 'dumped' it at the Ascot that day.........

I agree with most of your post except the swimming part. Computer forensics will tell if she was on the computer that afternoon. I think Caylee met her demise late on the 15th or the wee hours of the 16th. I don't believe George saw them on the 16th at all.

[eagleeer]

This senario fits better with me with regard to George vs a George who was a wonderful homicide detective and stand up family guy but flipped a switch and is now a lying pethetic mess. Personalities typcially do not change dramatically for the most part.

It certainly can when one is emasculated by a shrew like Cindy Anthony. :scared:

[desmom]

You are more than kind. Unfortunately I have no time right now. Had to put one of my precious babies to sleep on Monday and the other has now been diagnosed with kidney disease. Busy trying to baby him. Am posting in between showering him with love.

Lapis I am sorry to hear about your babies.

I am not having much luck.

I found Casey's answers to the questions submitted by Morgan & Morgan http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18853069/detail.html

This was filed on 11/10 Defendant's answer to complaint and the defendant's counterclaim and affirmative defenses http://www.wftv.com/news/17983147/detail.html

[IM4Truth]

If anyone will let me know if it's ok to post last names, I have her maiden name and her now married name.

Just pass all the info along to Kathi Belich at WFTV channel 9!

[IM4Truth]

If anyone will let me know if it's ok to post last names, I have her maiden name and her now married name.

Actually unless is has been in the media, I don't think you can, just getting it from another board. Walk softly......or learn to play a new instrument for awhile!

[cuddlyrunner]

wow,I never knew George had been married before! Why on earth have we not seen this in the media?

[eagleeer]

If anyone will let me know if it's ok to post last names, I have her maiden name and her now married name.

You found it. It must be Public Record. I don't see a problem with it.

[Xmygrits]

It certainly can when one is emasculated by a shrew like Cindy Anthony. :scared:

You may very well be right, however, there is something about George that I do not like. It takes one to know one and the two of them were intially drawn to each other by a common attraction...in a weird backwards sort of way.

I gotta hit the road. Everyone have a wonderful, safe weekend!

[IM4Truth]

Please.please,please share.

Where are you reading?

TIA

I wondered that too. I haven't got to keep up with all the dumps and don't think I've ever read the texts between TL and Casey.

[Dells]

Huh? Was George married before? I didn't know that!!!!

I didn't either! This is a bombshell to me!:ohmy:

[frances1]

If anyone will let me know if it's ok to post last names, I have her maiden name and her now married name.

Cerulean, I can't believe someone in the media hasn't interviewed this woman. At least the Enquirer. I wish they would.

[Dick Tracy]

Next day, as George (does or does not, choose your flavor) sees her and Caylee depart with monkey backpacks off for a day to work and presumably the nanny. George leaves for work on the 3-11 shift but goes in a little early, its a new job he just started a few days previous and had some more oriatation stuff he had to get out of the way too (where did I read that? Ages ago...)
Cindy is at Gentiva, working.
Casey waits till George is gone and comes back in the house with Caylee. She lets Caylee go swimming after Caylee asks/ begs her and perhaps Casey even put her arm floaties on and through she would be ok....at any rate I think Casey was home to use the computer to try to lie her way into a place to stay, with Caylee.

Everythoing went horribly wrong and Caylee drowned, an accident but one of neglegence. Thus the barrage of phone calls from a panicked Casey to her parents....but they don't 'pick up'. She realizes that caylee is dead and she will be blamed and her parents will probably throw her out of the house (I don;t think she ever DREAMED she would end up going to jail...) Thus, she wrapped Caylee in the laundry bag, then other bag, then into her trunk...were I beleive Caylees body was in the trunk of her car that night (Monday night) as she is on videotape w/ Tony later renting videos.
When the odor became strong, she dumped the body in the woods. But the smell permeated in her car and thats why she 'dumped' it at the Ascot that day.........

The things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMMM... eh? I am not sure if there are any indicators of computer searches done on Anthony computer on the 16th of June, in the afternoon hours. Do you know if there is evidence of this? Cell phone pings put her in the vicinity. None of the neighbors saw her on the 16th in the afternoon, but then that doesn't mean much (or does it). Also, if this happens the way you suggest or theorize, is it possible that Caylee was at the house or in the backyard hidden on the night of the 16th of June? HMMMMMM?

Because it's possible that then Casey backs into the garage a few days later to retrieve the body? from the house?

OMG I had a BOMBSHELL THOUGHT ! IS that why Casey anthony rented that video about the body being in the back of the car? To experience it on dvd, to see what happens? Maybe decomp information?

JMO..

[IM4Truth]

Cerulean, I can't believe someone in the media hasn't interviewed this woman. At least the Enquirer. I wish they would.

Maybe she refuses to talk, doesn't want to be brought into all of it. I feel sorry for her.

[Lapis]

Lapis I am sorry to hear about your babies.

I am not having much luck.

I found Casey's answers to the questions submitted by Morgan & Morgan http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18853069/detail.html

This was filed on 11/10 Defendant's answer to complaint and the defendant's counterclaim and affirmative defenses http://www.wftv.com/news/17983147/detail.html

I was hoping that as the hearing got closer someone in the media would realize they never published the SJ motion but so far no luck. I guess I will have to hear the argument in court. Please do not trouble yourself I'm just curious to see if it is based on the argument I would make. Just professional curiosity. We will hear on the 19th. JMO

[denjet]

There is a point in the trial that is the point of no return. A court will not allow a defendant to fire an attorney mid-trial. The trial will continue and she can raise the issue post trial either in a motion for a new trial or on appeal. The steps taken by the Judge have closed some of her avenues. I expect questioning of Casey at the motion at the end of the month, to be sure she understands the issues. JMO
Hi Lapis! Thanks for the response! I'm so glad that KC can't just decide to fire her attorney on a "whim" ... I'm hoping Strickland keeps asking her if she understands so there's no wiggle room!
Sorry this is late, had to get some yard work done (it's really been interfering with my blogging time) :wink:

[TunaMelt]

Hi, Do you happen to know if this person knows the first
Mrs. George Anthony? (Terri) I would love to hear what she has to say.

:scared:

Mrs. #1 George Anthony?

OMG.

He left someone for Cindy?

I'm beginning to think Cindy really meant it when she said she partied when she was KC's age. Like, maybe she partied like KC did, like mother like daughter.

I wonder where George met Cindy?
:w00t:

[Dick Tracy]

Where's the Night Owl Detective Agency Lead Detective????? Annie???? :w00t: Do some research on the name of those two videos that Casey rented at Blockbuster. Seeing if you can get information on what those movies were EXACTLY about... k?

[Dick Tracy]

:scared:

Mrs. #1 George Anthony?

OMG.

He left someone for Cindy?

I'm beginning to think Cindy really meant it when she said she partied when she was KC's age. Like, maybe she partied like KC did, like mother like daughter.

I wonder where George met Cindy?
:w00t:

When I look at Cindy, I see alot of Barfly looks (sometimes she has a drunk look about her), so I'll bet, donuts to dollars, that he met her in a bar.

[Neffy]

Yes, George Anthony did work for the Trumbull County Sheriffs Office for just short of 10 years. He was a homocide detective. He was well respected on the department as told by the then Sheriff who earlier in George's career was his partner. He said that George was a good detective, a good family man and a good friend. They lived in Warren, OH at the time. He left the department to go into business with his father. When they had the dust up and George threw his father through a plate glass window at the dealership George quit and moved his family to Orlando.

This information came from an interview someone paraphrased and typed into a blog. One short blip in another article. I want to see some factual data on his career.

[IM4Truth]

I posted all I could find on page six this morning. Post 208.

I wanna know what Dick is up to.

:sneaky:

Thanks, did she also say something like "if Caylee is never found they will put the blame on me"?

[IM4Truth]

Where's the Night Owl Detective Agency Lead Detective????? Annie???? :w00t: Do some research on the name of those two videos that Casey rented at Blockbuster. Seeing if you can get information on what those movies were EXACTLY about... k?

I think that was done a long time back. I've never seen any of the movies but it sounded like they fit right into her life at the time.

[IM4Truth]

This information came from an interview someone paraphrased and typed into a blog. One short blip in another article. I want to see some factual data on his career.

Someone upthread posted the link to that sheriff's office, maybe you can find something there, or an archived newspaper from that town.

[Dick Tracy]

I posted all I could find on page six this morning. Post 208.

I wanna know what Dick is up to.

:sneaky:

Witchy... I've found the communication between TL and the OC on the 16th of July. I'm transposing it to a text file, so I can cut and paste it here.

One thing that is very interesting to me...... I know TL had a Blackberry, but didn't know that Casey had one also. It appears that she did, because of the signature coming from the text messages from HER phone.

[Dells]

Bold mine.

According to Cindy and Casey, Zeniada was very well to do and watched Caylee for free. Oh and bought her cloths, diapers, food, playpens, cribs, car seats, etc so everything baby was duplicated for Caylee at Auntie Zeniada's house.

Also according to Cindy and Casey, Jeff Hopkins (whose nonexistent son, Zack, was also being watched by the nonexistent nanny) was paying the nanny to watch Caylee as well.:sneaky: Oh, there are so many holes in their lies you could drive that proverbial bus through them. What a tangled web they weave.:thumbdown:

[IM4Truth]

Witchy... I've found the communication between TL and the OC on the 16th of July. I'm transposing it to a text file, so I can cut and paste it here.

One thing that is very interesting to me...... I know TL had a Blackberry, but didn't know that Casey had one also. It appears that she did, because of the signature coming from the text messages from HER phone.

drumming my fingers as I wait.....looks like I'm due a smoke break!

[frances1]

No kidding. She got rid of the guy once, and now he's back in her life again? I'd be in hiding if I were her.

Sounds like the ex's brother wasn't shy about posting. Maybe someone should interview him.

[Abbie]

Here is what I want to know: Were Cindy and George in the habit of not answering Casey's calls? Or were they in the habit of always answering her calls. Because if they were in the habit of always answering her calls, that puts a red flag up for me...........makes me wonder if they were ignoring her ............it was her problem now.......she will have to come up with a legit reason for what happened.........but Casey can't come up with a reason or really just didn't care.........she had more important things to do........that is why Cindy wrote her angel is missing on July 3rd..............that is why she never asked Tony where Caylee was, even though Casey was at his apartment. .....wouldn't she have thought to search every square inch of that apartment?

Maybe G&C didn't pick up their cells purposely? George was a few days into a new job, not like he should be fielding cell calls from home...and Cindy could have been in a meeting as well. Or maybe they decided to collectively let Casey stew i in her own juices for awhile.

One thing LP said that has stuck in my mind, he said Casey wasn't smart enough to think her way around a corner....so I think she lived by the minute and gave the future= even 5 minutes into the future=
no thought whatsoever.
"If it feels good, do it" was hermotto, and "by any means possible", be it staling, lying, neglecting/ abusing her child, whatever. Didnt matter, it was all about Casey.

jmo

[Pretty Leaf]

Hi, Do you happen to know if this person knows the first
Mrs. George Anthony? (Terri) I would love to hear what she has to say.

He was married before??? 1st I heard about it. Any info on that marriage?

[IM4Truth]

Sounds like the ex's brother wasn't shy about posting. Maybe someone should interview him.

There ya go!

[IM4Truth]

Is Dick Tracy still transposing? Does anyone have the link to the texts?

[Dick Tracy]

drumming my fingers as I wait.....looks like I'm due a smoke break!

I'm working on it. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

[Pretty Leaf]

Yes, he was married for about 5 years before he married Cindy.
His first wife's brother posted this on another forum many months ago, this is his direct quote:
"My sister terri was married to George Anthony during the mid to late 70’s. They dated all through high school and married for about 5 years, of not so wonderful wedding bliss.
She can tell you that George Anthony was an habitual liar. He had to always fabricate his stories, constantly lying, that was the main reason they divorced.
George’s father Lee, owned and operated a very successful used car dealership for many years in Niles, Ohio, called Anthony’s Auto Sales, before retiring to Florida.
I wonder were George learned to lie so well. He was born in to it, litterally.
As they say, “Like father, like daughter.”
Give my sister a call and she’ll enlighten you of George Anthony’s dark, deceitful side evidently passed on to his daughter"

Found the link that states that but the person that posted that qualifies it that he doesn't think THAT George Anthony married to Terry is NOT the George married to Cindy.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/george-anthonyan-ex-wife/

[Lapis]

I am as curious as the next person, but really fail to see how the first Mrs. Anthony has any bearing on this case. She has not asked to be dragged into this (it was her brother who did that) and I think she is entitled to her privacy. Afterall she was married to the man over thirty years ago. We are always lamenting how sorry we feel for those who surround this case. They at least have relevant information. I doubt this woman has anything to add. I think she should be left alone. I think we are allowing our curiosity and the lack of any new information to override our good judgment. JMO

[TunaMelt]

When I look at Cindy, I see alot of Barfly looks (sometimes she has a drunk look about her), so I'll bet, donuts to dollars, that he met her in a bar.

Great minds wander along the same gutter, Dick. :wink:

Have you got some of your best people on this?
:w00t:

[CelticDawn]

Found the link that states that but the person that posted that qualifies it that he doesn't think THAT George Anthony married to Terry is NOT the George married to Cindy.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/george-anthonyan-ex-wife/

Someone else disagrees
"nd after searching Vandervault in Ohio, there aren’t any. I am really interested if there was a phone number to call this so called sister! I am not saying the commenter is lying, not saying that, but whoever posted on another site, has a really big imagination, and should check facts."

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/george-anthonyan-ex-wife/

[101Spots]

Maybe she refuses to talk, doesn't want to be brought into all of it. I feel sorry for her.

I don't. She escaped.

[CelticDawn]

I am as curious as the next person, but really fail to see how the first Mrs. Anthony has any bearing on this case. She has not asked to be dragged into this (it was her brother who did that) and I think she is entitled to her privacy. Afterall she was married to the man over thirty years ago. We are always lamenting how sorry we feel for those who surround this case. They at least have relevant information. I doubt this woman has anything to add. I think she should be left alone. I think we are allowing our curiosity and the lack of any new information to override our good judgment. JMO


The voice of REASON.....thank You

<sometimes I just can't help myself....Must mean I need more to do>

[Dick Tracy]

Great minds wander along the same gutter, Dick. :wink:

Have you got some of your best people on this?
:w00t:

Why, yes I do..

I can't put my finger on it, but she reminds me of someone you'd see slunk into a bar stool, chewing gum, smoking cigarettes, and crying in her Vodka. Oh well, let's just call a spade a spade. A barfly.

[AMS]

Someone else disagrees
"nd after searching Vandervault in Ohio, there aren’t any. I am really interested if there was a phone number to call this so called sister! I am not saying the commenter is lying, not saying that, but whoever posted on another site, has a really big imagination, and should check facts."

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/george-anthonyan-ex-wife/


Here is another analysis. Reply 1903.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3330.msg435368

imo

[IM4Truth]

Found the link that states that but the person that posted that qualifies it that he doesn't think THAT George Anthony married to Terry is NOT the George married to Cindy.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/george-anthonyan-ex-wife/

Nope, don't think he was married to this person.

[*MoonRider*]

I am as curious as the next person, but really fail to see how the first Mrs. Anthony has any bearing on this case. She has not asked to be dragged into this (it was her brother who did that) and I think she is entitled to her privacy. Afterall she was married to the man over thirty years ago. We are always lamenting how sorry we feel for those who surround this case. They at least have relevant information. I doubt this woman has anything to add. I think she should be left alone. I think we are allowing our curiosity and the lack of any new information to override our good judgment. JMO

The voice of reason. I concur.

[Scampi]

I find it amazing that george anthony threw his own father through a plate glass window. How on earth could anyone do such a thing? Brings to my attention george's anger issues, something I think he passed on to his odious creature of a daughter.

This is truly one of the absolute worst familys I have ever heard about.

[TunaMelt]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3330.msg435368

reply: #1903:


"OK, it took some major digging and I almost gave up and figured this was BS.

But then I started thinking maybe Vandervault was an Americanized version

Bingo Vandervault=Vandervort=Vand Der Vort= Vander Vort


People Search: ANTHONY, TERRI in NILES, OH
<< Search Again

1 Match Found (100 max.)
Name/AKAs Phone Address City, State Possible Relatives
1. VANDERVORT, TERRI R (Age 56)

Associated names:

ANTHONY, TERRI R
VANDERVORT, TERRY
Available(1) Available NILES, OH Possible Relatives:

VANDERVORT, ROYCE H (Age 62)"

[Lavinia]

Yes, he was married for about 5 years before he married Cindy.
His first wife's brother posted this on another forum many months ago, this is his direct quote:
"My sister terri was married to George Anthony during the mid to late 70’s. They dated all through high school and married for about 5 years, of not so wonderful wedding bliss.
She can tell you that George Anthony was an habitual liar. He had to always fabricate his stories, constantly lying, that was the main reason they divorced.
George’s father Lee, owned and operated a very successful used car dealership for many years in Niles, Ohio, called Anthony’s Auto Sales, before retiring to Florida.
I wonder were George learned to lie so well. He was born in to it, litterally.
As they say, “Like father, like daughter.”
Give my sister a call and she’ll enlighten you of George Anthony’s dark, deceitful side evidently passed on to his daughter"

WHAT?!?!?!? HTH did we miss this???? Okay everybody, pony up! We GOTS to pay Miss Terri for her story. OMG!

[eagleeer]

This information came from an interview someone paraphrased and typed into a blog. One short blip in another article. I want to see some factual data on his career.

Go look for it yourself. I am tired of your snarky comments to me.

[TunaMelt]

I bet George wasn't Cindy's first husband.

That's pure unadulterated speculation, but still, I bet she's got a #1 husband too.

:mellow:

[Lavinia]

I'm in shock here. Remember when George told detectives about his sister's mental illness? He said he hoped it hadn't skipped down to Casey, but obviously he was born into it too.

And then for him to have found Cindy. How on earth do people like this find one another?! :scared:

Water seeks its own level, IMO.

[eastside joe]

I've been up doing some research, regarding Casey and TL's text message of the 16th of July.

Here is what TL sent to her -

6:50 a.m. "Where is Caylee?"

6:53 a.m. "I don't know.. R U serious? When did you find out?"

6:58 a.m. "Y wouldn't you tell me of all people. I was UR boyfriend that cares about you and UR daughter- Doesn't make sense to me. Why would you lie to me thinking she was fine and with your nanny?"

7:02 a.m. "I don't know what to say... I just hope your daughter is OK and I'm going to do whatever i can to help your family and the cops."

7:04 - 7:19 a.m. "Who is this Zanny person? Where did you drop Caylee off last time you saw her?"
"Have you told and showed the police the apartment?"

7:23 a.m. "Yea no S*%& this is serious why would U say something sooner about this? To anyone?"

7:25 a.m. "Oh and why are you texting me and not calling?"

-----------------------------------------------------------

Does anyone know or have Casey's side of this conversation? Can anyone locate it?

Eastside Joe - where are you? Can you help?

thanks

Remember, this was July 16th and no, we never saw Casey's responses, only text sent from Tony. The text messages and phone conversation that I believe will be powerful testimony will be from the evening of June 15th into the wee morning hours of the 16th. I believe prosecution is sitting on this. This 8 hours and 22 minutes of constant phone communication between Tony and Casey should provide a lot of answers to some questions that remain.

1) Casey's demeanor from 7:05 pm June 15 - 3:22 am June 16.
2) Did he hear Caylee in the background?
3) What did she say or reveal during that 8 hour 22 minute timeframe?
4) What did she say regarding the fight with her mother?
5) Did he say anything that in hindsight may have helped push her over the edge. (Example, only wanted boys, or cannot have her move in with him because of Caylee. etc, etc. etc.)


I don't believe Tony Lazarro was involved in any way with Caylee's murder. He will be the star witness and will be instrumental in the OC being sent to death row IMO.

[IM4Truth]

Remember, this was July 16th and no, we never saw Casey's responses, only text sent from Tony. The text messages and phone conversation that I believe will be powerful testimony will be from the evening of June 15th into the wee morning hours of the 16th. I believe prosecution is sitting on this. This 8 hours and 22 minutes of constant phone communication between Tony and Casey should provide a lot of answers to some questions that remain.

1) Casey's demeanor from 7:05 pm June 15 - 3:22 am June 16.
2) Did he hear Caylee in the background?
3) What did she say or reveal during that 8 hour 22 minute timeframe?
4) What did she say regarding the fight with her mother?
5) Did he say anything that in hindsight may have helped push her over the edge. (Example, only wanted boys, or cannot have her move in with him because of Caylee. etc, etc. etc.)


I don't believe Tony Lazarro was involved in any way with Caylee's murder. He will be the star witness and will be instrumental in the OC being sent to death row IMO.

Did anyone ever find out if there was any truth to Lenny's statement about her walking around in a motel parking lot talking on the phone?

[frances1]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3330.msg435368

reply: #1903:


"OK, it took some major digging and I almost gave up and figured this was BS.

But then I started thinking maybe Vandervault was an Americanized version

Bingo Vandervault=Vandervort=Vand Der Vort= Vander Vort


People Search: ANTHONY, TERRI in NILES, OH
<< Search Again

1 Match Found (100 max.)
Name/AKAs Phone Address City, State Possible Relatives
1. VANDERVORT, TERRI R (Age 56)

Associated names:

ANTHONY, TERRI R
VANDERVORT, TERRY
Available(1) Available NILES, OH Possible Relatives:

VANDERVORT, ROYCE H (Age 62)"

Tuna, I've been doing some googling and came up with the same name. Saw a reference to Terri Vandervort (current married name) by someone who knew her when she was married to George. Sorry, didn't keep the link, and I don't know her maiden name.

[Dick Tracy]

This is a chat between TL and the OC, and is covered from 06:48am until 07:15am. Part II to follow. My thoughts and comments below

*6:48am Casey: I’m so sorry for not telling you what happened… we obviously need to talk. I need you… and I love you more than you know.
6:50am Tony: Where is Caylee?
6:50am Casey: I honestly don’t know…
6:53am Tony: I don’t know……. R u serious?..... When did you find out?
6:53am Casey: I’ve been filling reports all night and driving with multiple officers looking at old apartments I had taken her to. Everything. I am the worst f**king person in the entire world. I don’t know what I’ll do if something happens to her.
**6:53am Casey: Too Long. Let’s just leave it at that.
6:57am Tony: Y wouldn’t u tell me of all people I was ur boyfriend that cares about you and ur daughter. Doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you lie to me thinking she was fine and with your nanny?
***6:59am Casey: I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trust my daughter with some psyco. How does that look?
7:01am Tony: IDK what to say… I just hope your daughter is okay and I’m gonna do whatever I can do help your family and the cops.
****7:01am Casey: I was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and sat in the back of a cop car. The best and the most important person in my life is missing and god only knows if I am ever going to see her again.
****7:02am Casey: I am the dumbest person and the worst mother. I honestly hate myself.
****7:03am Casey: The most important thing is getting caylee back but I truly hope you can forgive me… granted I will never be able to forgive myself…nor will my family.
7:04am Tony: Who is this zany nanny person
7:06am Casey: Someone I had met through a mutual friend almost 4 years ago. She used to be my buddy Jeff’s nanny before she became mine.
7:09am Casey: I’m scared.
7:12am Tony: R u home?
7:13am Casey: Almost 12 hours of stuff. Finally getting a shower. I feel like hell.
7:15am Tony: Where did you drop off caylee last time u saw her?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Part II to follow

I have been looking for this exchange of information, and thanks to Desmom for getting me to it, and Detective Witchy as well. Great work.

* She prefaces the bad news with love. A manipulation technique for being in control of the situation.

** "Let's just leave it at that". She doesn't want to sit there at 06:50am in the morning, and have to answer questions.. So let's just drop it. Weird.


*** "i've been lying to everyone". Even though she claims to have talked to the psycho the day before, she's scared of what people will think of her, leaving Caylee with an unstable NANNY. This makes her look bad, because people will say, well, then if she was psycho, why were YOU using HER as your NANNY.

**** The 07:03am entry is key. If none of this was CASEY's fault initially, then why wouldn't HER family forgive her? It wasn't her fault that Zanny the invisible Nanny was unstable and psycho. But that words "never be able to forgive myself, nor my family."

The 07:03am entry is saying "SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED, BAD ENOUGH THAT NO ONE WILL FORGIVE ME, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T MY FAULT."

COMMENTS?

[summer4meplz]

Why didn't cindy ask "where's Caylee?" when she went to tony's apt....did cindy ask amy on the way over there? I don't remember the details about this....thanks if anyone else does....WITHOUT SEARCHING...no links needed ....:biggrin:

[CelticDawn]

I find it amazing that george anthony threw his own father through a plate glass window. How on earth could anyone do such a thing? Brings to my attention george's anger issues, something I think he passed on to his odious creature of a daughter.

This is truly one of the absolute worst familys I have ever heard about.

well daddy Lee was a used car dealer....Im sure that whatever it was he did to George, it was a DOOZIE!!!....seems to me like most of the people in that family deserve each other.

[101Spots]

Love the name.

Tuptim is also the name of the slave girl in "The King and I" who runs off with her lover. Feel free to use it when/if you're inspired.

[summer4meplz]

I agree, Lapis. I wouldn't want anyone interviewing me about my first husband 30 years ago.


I wouldn't mind....I remember every detail of those horrible 4 days.....:cursing:

[Dick Tracy]

Remember, this was July 16th and no, we never saw Casey's responses, only text sent from Tony. The text messages and phone conversation that I believe will be powerful testimony will be from the evening of June 15th into the wee morning hours of the 16th. I believe prosecution is sitting on this. This 8 hours and 22 minutes of constant phone communication between Tony and Casey should provide a lot of answers to some questions that remain.

1) Casey's demeanor from 7:05 pm June 15 - 3:22 am June 16.
2) Did he hear Caylee in the background?
3) What did she say or reveal during that 8 hour 22 minute timeframe?
4) What did she say regarding the fight with her mother?
5) Did he say anything that in hindsight may have helped push her over the edge. (Example, only wanted boys, or cannot have her move in with him because of Caylee. etc, etc. etc.)


I don't believe Tony Lazarro was involved in any way with Caylee's murder. He will be the star witness and will be instrumental in the OC being sent to death row IMO.

Hey Eastside, I've got her responses....check em out.

[IM4Truth]

Why didn't cindy ask "where's Caylee?" when she went to tony's apt....did cindy ask amy on the way over there? I don't remember the details about this....thanks if anyone else does....WITHOUT SEARCHING...no links needed ....:biggrin:

I think she did ask and Casey said with the nanny. Cindy said Casey had to take her to the house to get her. However, the drive in the car seemed to never get to the nanny's house.

[frances1]

I agree, Lapis. I wouldn't want anyone interviewing me about my first husband 30 years ago.

Lapis and Annie, you are both correct. I just find it curious that no information has been researched by the media on the Anthonys' previous lives in Ohio. It's not that unusual for reporters to dig up people from the past to interview, even if anonymously. Peoples' personalities usually do not change that much (referring to George and Cindy).

[eastside joe]

This is a chat between TL and the OC, and is covered from 06:48am until 07:15am. Part II to follow. My thoughts and comments below

*6:48am Casey: I’m so sorry for not telling you what happened… we obviously need to talk. I need you… and I love you more than you know.
6:50am Tony: Where is Caylee?
6:50am Casey: I honestly don’t know…
6:53am Tony: I don’t know……. R u serious?..... When did you find out?
6:53am Casey: I’ve been filling reports all night and driving with multiple officers looking at old apartments I had taken her to. Everything. I am the worst f**king person in the entire world. I don’t know what I’ll do if something happens to her.
**6:53am Casey: Too Long. Let’s just leave it at that.
6:57am Tony: Y wouldn’t u tell me of all people I was ur boyfriend that cares about you and ur daughter. Doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you lie to me thinking she was fine and with your nanny?
***6:59am Casey: I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trust my daughter with some psyco. How does that look?
7:01am Tony: IDK what to say… I just hope your daughter is okay and I’m gonna do whatever I can do help your family and the cops.
****7:01am Casey: I was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and sat in the back of a cop car. The best and the most important person in my life is missing and god only knows if I am ever going to see her again.
****7:02am Casey: I am the dumbest person and the worst mother. I honestly hate myself.
****7:03am Casey: The most important thing is getting caylee back but I truly hope you can forgive me… granted I will never be able to forgive myself…nor will my family.
7:04am Tony: Who is this zany nanny person
7:06am Casey: Someone I had met through a mutual friend almost 4 years ago. She used to be my buddy Jeff’s nanny before she became mine.
7:09am Casey: I’m scared.
7:12am Tony: R u home?
7:13am Casey: Almost 12 hours of stuff. Finally getting a shower. I feel like hell.
7:15am Tony: Where did you drop off caylee last time u saw her?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Part II to follow

I have been looking for this exchange of information, and thanks to Desmom for getting me to it, and Detective Witchy as well. Great work.

* She prefaces the bad news with love. A manipulation technique for being in control of the situation.

** "Let's just leave it at that". She doesn't want to sit there at 06:50am in the morning, and have to answer questions.. So let's just drop it. Weird.


*** "i've been lying to everyone". Even though she claims to have talked to the psycho the day before, she's scared of what people will think of her, leaving Caylee with an unstable NANNY. This makes her look bad, because people will say, well, then if she was psycho, why were YOU using HER as your NANNY.

**** The 07:03am entry is key. If none of this was CASEY's fault initially, then why wouldn't HER family forgive her? It wasn't her fault that Zanny the invisible Nanny was unstable and psycho. But that words "never be able to forgive myself, nor my family."

The 07:03am entry is saying "SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED, BAD ENOUGH THAT NO ONE WILL FORGIVE ME, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T MY FAULT."

COMMENTS?

Excellent work Dick Tracy! "God only knows if I am ever going to see her again." Admission that Caylee is dead, and God only knows.

[Alone]

Both are Siamese cats. Saffire (age 13) was diagnosed with cancer about 6 months ago and lost her battle on Monday. Lapis (age 17)stopped eating and I thought it was due to grief. However, yesterday he had difficulty walking so I took him to the vet. Unfortunately he is not well and we are awaiting futher testing. I am now trying to tempt him with anything to get him to eat. (of course he is also angry at me for leaving him at the vet overnight) Any suggestions are welcome.

Sorry for the O/T


Lapis, so sorry to hear about your kitties. Cats are like part of the family, and when they hurt, we hurt.

When it comes to getting Lapis to eat, I agree with the person that suggested baby food, but if the smell isn't tempting enough, you could also try liverwurst or braunschweiger, usually in the refrigerated lunch meat section.

My cats go crazy for some weird food, hope this helps:
green beans
corn (especially on the cob)
canned refried beans (no garlic or onion added)
diced carrots, both cooked and raw
fried liver, chicken and/or beef

You could also try smearing a bit of the food on his tail, foot, etc, so he will be forced to lick/eat it, that might be enough to get his appetite going again.

[jammies]

Why didn't cindy ask "where's Caylee?" when she went to tony's apt....did cindy ask amy on the way over there? I don't remember the details about this....thanks if anyone else does....WITHOUT SEARCHING...no links needed ....:biggrin:



That's always been a sticky point for me also. WHY DIDN'T SHE GO TEARING THROUGH THAT APT???

Makes no sense whatsoever. She KNEW her daughter had been lying to her, been in and out of the house when she supposedly was out of town, the car smell, etc. etc.

Why wasn't she hysterical and demanding answers from Tony and his room mate?


Think of her myspace post....she thought Casey was KEEPING CAYLEE FROM HER. What would make her KNOW that Caylee wasn't at the apt?