Heather Strube, 25, murdered in front of son

[KittyMom]

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=65090

Snellville, Ga. police say around 6 p.m. on Sunday, May 26, 2009, Heather met her estranged husband, Steven Strube, in the parking lot located on Scenic Highway in Snellville to pick up her son.

Witnesses told police that after Heather buckled her 18-month-old son into his car seat, a person wearing a wig and a fake mustache approached her.

The two argued for a short time, and the unidentified person shot Heather in the head. She was taken to a hospital and pronounced dead shortly thereafter.

[KittyMom]

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=129938&provider=top

Police Sketch Raises Questions, Generates Tips

They say the sketch was done by a local woman who wants to be a police sketch artist. She used the descriptions from witnesses who saw 26-year old Heather Strube shot in the parking lot of a Target store on Scenic Highway at Ronald Reagan Parkway.

Strube just picked up her 18-month old son from her estranged husband Steven Strube when witnesses say they saw a suspect walk up to her. They say they saw a conversation turn into a heated exchange and then saw Strube shot and killed by the suspect.

We asked Snellville Police Chief Roy Whitehead "Do you think this is a helpful sketch?" He answered, "It's helpful in some respects because it does point out that it's a person that's very slim, very slender." He also said it shows the suspect was wearing a wig and a fake mustache. "So I think from that aspect it's helpful," he said.

[KittyMom]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/GMW_Target_Parking_Lot_Shooting_050709

Very interesting video where a detective describes the crime. Also they show the video of the suspect walking into and out of the parking lot.

[KittyMom]

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2009/05/13/strube_family_afraid.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_new stab

Family of gunned-down mom lives in fear

The shooting occurred moments after Strube exchanged custody of her 20-month-old son with her estranged husband, Steven Strube. The shopping center was a routine drop-off spot for the couple, Allen said.

Her daughter chose the spot, Allen said, because it was a public place monitored by security cameras. Strube was concerned for her safety because of the contentious divorce she was going through, her mother said.

Snellville Police said Wednesday that they do not believe Steven Strube was the shooter. They said he drove off before the suspect walked up. Police said surveillance video from the scene indicates the shooter may be a woman. Investigators haven’t ruled out the possibility that Steven Strube was involved, but “we’re leaning towards that he’s not involved,” Capt. Harold Thomas said.

Heather Strube’s parents have temporary custody of Carson. A Rockdale County judge issued a temporary protective order April 30 barring his father from contacting the boy or his grandparents while he is in their care.

[dgfred]

Dang, I wonder if the soon to be ex had something to do with this :rolleyes: ?

[Kip]

Heather Strube’s parents have temporary custody of Carson. A Rockdale County judge issued a temporary protective order April 30 barring his father from contacting the boy or his grandparents while he is in their care.

Thank goodness this judge seems to have some common sense.

I would really like to see a photo of the soon-to-be-ex-husband's girlfriend. Both the sketch and the video of the person walking look like a woman to me.

The fact that Heather was seen arguing with the shooter would seem to imply that she knew the person. If a stranger came up to me while I was putting my child in the car and started bothering me, I'd probably start shouting for help or try and get in the car fast and lock the doors. I wouldn't stand there and argue with the person.

[Leanne Weich]

Heather Strube’s parents have temporary custody of Carson. A Rockdale County judge issued a temporary protective order April 30 barring his father from contacting the boy or his grandparents while he is in their care.

Thank goodness this judge seems to have some common sense.

I would really like to see a photo of the soon-to-be-ex-husband's girlfriend. Both the sketch and the video of the person walking look like a woman to me.

The fact that Heather was seen arguing with the shooter would seem to imply that she knew the person. If a stranger came up to me while I was putting my child in the car and started bothering me, I'd probably start shouting for help or try and get in the car fast and lock the doors. I wouldn't stand there and argue with the person.

If someone came up to you in a public place and started talking to you and it turned into an argument, would you really immediately assume you were in danger?

[TBIBeg]

Heather Strube’s parents have temporary custody of Carson. A Rockdale County judge issued a temporary protective order April 30 barring his father from contacting the boy or his grandparents while he is in their care.

Thank goodness this judge seems to have some common sense.

I would really like to see a photo of the soon-to-be-ex-husband's girlfriend. Both the sketch and the video of the person walking look like a woman to me.

The fact that Heather was seen arguing with the shooter would seem to imply that she knew the person. If a stranger came up to me while I was putting my child in the car and started bothering me, I'd probably start shouting for help or try and get in the car fast and lock the doors. I wouldn't stand there and argue with the person.


IMO, that is DEFINITELY a woman! Wish we had a pic of hubby's new GF.

[justafriend]

Actually the Police are zeroing in on his Mother, who matches the body build, his new GF is over 6 foot tall..

[Kip]

Actually the Police are zeroing in on his Mother, who matches the body build, his new GF is over 6 foot tall..

Justafriend, thanks for that info and welcome to these boards.

[Kip]

If someone came up to you in a public place and started talking to you and it turned into an argument, would you really immediately assume you were in danger?

Frankly, these days I would. There have been too many random "road rage" type killings around here.

Yes, if I were minding my own business and some stranger approached me and started arguing with me about something, I'd assume he was not rational and possibly dangerous and would look around for possible help and get out of there fast.

[KittyMom]

Actually the Police are zeroing in on his Mother, who matches the body build, his new GF is over 6 foot tall..

OMGosh!!! She killed her d-i-l in front of her grandchild?!!!!!!

I couldn't believe how cool the perp was to just stroll into this parking lot in broad daylight with people around and security cameras everywhere and do the deed and just turn and calmly walk away. Speak of a terribly cold heart.

[KittyMom]

http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2009/05/snellville-murder-search-narro.html

Snellville Murder Search Narrows
By Jon Lewis @ May 15, 2009 5:26 AM

Capt. Harold Thomas tells WSB's Sandra Parrish they're about ready to rule out Heather Strube's estranged husband as well as his girlfriend.

And while police have searched the older white Ford pickup believed to have been parked behind the retail store at the time of the murder, they're still looking for key evidence in the case.

"We're looking for the wig, the mustache, the weapon, the black bag... anything that was used at that time," he says.

[KittyMom]

http://www.examiner.com/x-9126-Gwinnett-County-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m5d15-Heather-Strube-case-suspects

Investigators said early on that Steven Strube showed shock when informed of his estranged wife's murder. Steven Strube is also seen in surveillance videos leaving the parking lot right before Heather Strube was appoached by the strange figure in the black wig and mustache.

Detectives do want to hear from anyone who is aware of a white pickup truck that is seen on surveillance video in the back of the Target (Snellville Pavilion) shopping center at Ronald Reagan Parkway and Scenic Highway.

Again, the police have ruled out Steven Strube and his girlfriend. Many people suspected his girlfriend, especially after police told the media that they suspected the killer is a woman, and it's been in the news that Steven's infidelity was the main reason for the couple's breakup. Investigators have said they have ruled out the girlfriend as a suspect.

[KittyMom]

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&SubSectionID=6&ArticleID=59380&TM=283.917

older report but a couple of new details

1. Target has a forensics lab that is working on the videos to provide clearer pic of the perp. The report is dated 5/5 and it is said to take up to 2 weeks. They might get something yet.

2. Heather yelled for help before being shot.

[KittyMom]

A search of Steven Strube, 25, Lilburn, GA on peoplesearch shows his parents as

Steven Lewis Strube, Sr., 46
Joanna R. Strube, 43

[dgfred]

Actually the Police are zeroing in on his Mother, who matches the body build, his new GF is over 6 foot tall..

Well :huh: . Any other information on this?

[Amy]

Actually the Police are zeroing in on his Mother, who matches the body build, his new GF is over 6 foot tall..

Just recently there was a rerun of a case where there were custody issues. The mom had custody, but she was in contempt of court frequently because she put all obstacles in the way of the dad having his court ordered visitations. There was to be a hearing where the judge (who had warned the mom time after time) was going to determine if custody should go to dad. HER mom lured the fellow out of his apartment and HER dad shot him. Grandma wasn't about to give up control of having her grandbaby with the mom.

So, it wouldn't be the first time for the MIL to be the perp, if this is the case.

[LILMANMAX]

So sad.
I lived in the metro Atlanta area for many years and knew many people in this area. This reminds me of a case on the show 'Snapped' where the ex-MIL hired someone to kill her ex-DIL. Lots of custody issues going on and such.
I tell you, the world is full of all kinds. Unreal. :sad:

[aproudmom]

Actually the Police are zeroing in on his Mother, who matches the body build, his new GF is over 6 foot tall..

omg no way..his mother?

[aproudmom]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/GMW_Target_Parking_Lot_Shooting_050709

Very interesting video where a detective describes the crime. Also they show the video of the suspect walking into and out of the parking lot.

ok that looks like a women and to just walk away so calm..day light goodness this is crazy..thanks Kitty

[Kip]

LE has truck the shooter used (http://www.ajc.com/services/content/printedition/2009/05/16/strube0516.html)

Authorities have recovered a white pickup truck used by the person who gunned down a young mother in the parking lot of a Snellville shopping center, the victim’s father said Friday....

Police believe Strube may have known the attacker, who wore a wig and mustache disguise.

I can't tell from the surveillance video whether or not the attacker was wearing gloves. If not, LE ought to come up with plenty of fingerprints. I wonder whose truck that is - surely the attacker wouldn't have used his/her own vehicle (or the plan wasn't to leave the truck there and something happened to alter the plan).

[Short_kid]

LE has truck the shooter used (http://www.ajc.com/services/content/printedition/2009/05/16/strube0516.html)

Authorities have recovered a white pickup truck used by the person who gunned down a young mother in the parking lot of a Snellville shopping center, the victim’s father said Friday....

Police believe Strube may have known the attacker, who wore a wig and mustache disguise.

I can't tell from the surveillance video whether or not the attacker was wearing gloves. If not, LE ought to come up with plenty of fingerprints. I wonder whose truck that is - surely the attacker wouldn't have used his/her own vehicle (or the plan wasn't to leave the truck there and something happened to alter the plan).

Wow it was someone either incredibly dumb or someone who didn't care if they got caught. Perhaps, if it was the ex's mother, she thought she was "taking one for the team" so to speak. That wouldn't explain the wig/mustache.

It doesn't appear as if the person had gloves on but it's a bit too grainy to really tell. Just the way the attacker walks off (slow and calm) suggests that they don't care if they are caught one way or the other. Someone who didn't want to get caught would run, I would think.

[Kip]

Wow it was someone either incredibly dumb or someone who didn't care if they got caught. Perhaps, if it was the ex's mother, she thought she was "taking one for the team" so to speak. That wouldn't explain the wig/mustache.

It doesn't appear as if the person had gloves on but it's a bit too grainy to really tell. Just the way the attacker walks off (slow and calm) suggests that they don't care if they are caught one way or the other. Someone who didn't want to get caught would run, I would think.

Yeah, I didn't think it looked like the person wore gloves either - at least not bulky ones, but the person could have been wearing latex gloves.

Actually, unless someone is pursuing you, the best way to get away from a crime scene in a public area is to walk casually. No one pays any attention to you then - if you were running, more people would likely remember you.

I don't know what to make of leaving the truck. As you said, if the person didn't care about getting caught, why bother with the disguise?

Or the truck could be stolen. I would think ownership of the truck would come out soon. Even if LE didn't release the info, if it belongs to any known suspects, the press will probably have neighbors tentatively identifying it.

LE will also be looking into who knew Heather was going to be there. After Heather set up the time and place, who did Heather talk to, text, email, etc.? If it wasn't anybody on her end, then who did the soon-to-be-ex tell?

[Kip]

GBI testing truck; it belongs to a family member (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Cops_Make_Break_in_Target_Shooting_Case_051709)

Snellville police didn't say where they recovered the white truck. Investigators ran tests on the vehicle and said it belonged to a family member.

[museumgirl]

If it is his mom... too much of a coincidence for me... I would definitely wonder if he knew what was up...... to do that in front of a child... your own flesh & blood..... :angry:

[Kip]

If it is his mom... too much of a coincidence for me... I would definitely wonder if he knew what was up...... to do that in front of a child... your own flesh & blood..... :angry:

Yeah...it's possible that he told his mother the time and place he was picking up his son and she hatched the plan on her own, but it doesn't seem too likely does it.

There were apparently problems with this soon-to-be-ex as Heather would only meet him in public places with security cameras. Not surprising the guy had issues being raised by a mother who would kill (if she did do it).

[iluvmua]

Poor Heather:crying:

[Tia]

Dang, I wonder if the soon to be ex had something to do with this :rolleyes: ?

Its getting crazy isn't it??!! Is there any pic of the soon to be ex?

[Short_kid]

If it is his mom... too much of a coincidence for me... I would definitely wonder if he knew what was up...... to do that in front of a child... your own flesh & blood..... :angry:

I don't think there is anyway he didn't know if it is the mom. What struck me odd about the story is that the father didn't even wait around long enough to make sure the baby was safely in the car seat and they were on their way. From the sounds of it the meeting spot was for a quick baby swap, it's not like she went inside and shopping first (or LE has not said that at least). I'd be interested in seeing if he changed his pattern at all. Did he leave more quickly this time than in previous swaps.

My parent's split was pretty nasty but my dad never went back into his house before he knew I was in the car and we were safely on our way home when my mom picked me up from him and I was much, much older. You would think with a baby you'd be more inclined, as a father, to wait and make sure your child was on his way safely.

[KittyMom]

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2009/05/18/heather_strube_murder.html

Truck tested in parking lot killing of mother
Heather Strube’s relative may be linked to shooting outside Target store

She was shot in the head. Depending on the range, there may've been blowback from the shot that would've sprayed the perp with dna. That would've been transfered into the white truck. Let's hope something is found.

[KittyMom]

http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/2009/05/16/Heather_Strube_(25)_was_gunned_down_in_a_crowded_T arget_parking_lot

mydeathspace for Heather


http://www.mydeathspace.com/go.aspx?back=%2farticle%2f2009%2f05%2f16%2fHeather _Strube_(25)_was_gunned_down_in_a_crowded_Target_p arking_lot&go=http%3a%2f%2fwww.facebook.com%2fs.php%3fq%3dHea ther%2bStrube%26init%3dq%26sid%3db82e0b81326896d5b 3d33e60c5c2689d%23%2fgroup.php%3fsid%3db82e0b81326 896d5b3d33e60c5c2689d%26gid%3d72828948578%26ref%3d search

Facebook page for Heather.

[Kip]

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2009/05/18/heather_strube_murder.html

Truck tested in parking lot killing of mother
Heather Strube’s relative may be linked to shooting outside Target store

She was shot in the head. Depending on the range, there may've been blowback from the shot that would've sprayed the perp with dna. That would've been transfered into the white truck. Let's hope something is found.

From the above article:

Witnesses saw the husband drive away from the scene shortly before the suspect walked up. Investigators have said they do not believe the husband was the shooter, although they have not ruled out the possibility he was involved.

That's the first press mention I've seen of the husband's possible involvement.

[Amy]

From the above article:

Witnesses saw the husband drive away from the scene shortly before the suspect walked up. Investigators have said they do not believe the husband was the shooter, although they have not ruled out the possibility he was involved.

That's the first press mention I've seen of the husband's possible involvement.

A bit of the change from what I read in the last article posted before that, which is what LE had been saying, that they didn't think he was involved. Even @ the time, I was thinking--well, maybe not involved in the shooting @ the moment of the shooting, but whether it is suspected the shooter was his mother or someone else, it was a tad bit early to say he had no involvement--as in the planning.

Seems that, just for the fact that from the get-to it was reported that there was a contentious divorce would, IMO, mean there would need to be a tad bit more investigation in to the relationship before they declared no involvement.

[magnolia]

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=65090

Am I reading this right? May 26, 2009?

[Amy]

Am I reading this right? May 26, 2009?

That's what the opening article says, too. I was going to try to figure out what day they actually meant, but didn't get around to it. Then, if the date was mentioned in any subsequent articles, I never noticed.

Okay, went and looked it up:
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=129938&provider=top

It happened APRIL 26, according to this article.

[Angeleyes14]

Okay heres the scoop:

The Husband (or ex husband) is NOT the shooter, hes 6'3 or taller
The Girlfriend is NOT the shooter, shes 6'3 or taller.
That does not mean they didn't have someone else murder Heather Strube like hire a hitman or the husband's mother.

If you take a look at the tape of Steven's Strube's mother walking out of the police station after getting finger printed weeks ago, you will see a very similar stride in the survaliance video of the killer in the Target parking lot. This I noticed even before police confirmed that the murderer was not a man, but rather a woman. Once the information was realized that the suspect was a woman I knew that the mother-in-law must of been the killer. The profile fits her characterstics perfectly. Not to mention the mother owns an older model white pick-up truck which as we all know now that pick-up has been found and is being investigated.

So husband/ex husband is in a custody battle with Heather Strube. He wants to move on with life and his son with his new girlfriend. He cries and complains to his mother about Heather (which his mother can't stand anyways). So he meets up with Heather at Target to exchange the child and his mother waits until her son leaves and then shoots her in the head left to die. She probably had meant to "rob her" in attempt to make it look like a random act of violence but forgot or messed up and just walked away. In turn, narrowing the suspects down to close friends and family (people who knew about the custody exchange time and spot).

I would make a bet that it is the mother-in-law and we will find out shortly. Once shes arrested I'm sure we will find out in more detail how Steven Strube and his girlfriend were involved indirectly.

The thing is, Steven does not have custody of his son. His mother will soon be arrested for killing the mother of his child. The child will learn that grandma killed his mommy. The whole situation is insane and these people involved aren't going to ever live the normal life they thought they would have after getting Heather out of the picture.

My two cents.

[Kip]

Okay heres the scoop:

[snipped]
If you take a look at the tape of Steven's Strube's mother walking out of the police station after getting finger printed weeks ago, you will see a very similar stride in the survaliance video of the killer in the Target parking lot. ...

I would make a bet that it is the mother-in-law and we will find out shortly. Once shes arrested I'm sure we will find out in more detail how Steven Strube and his girlfriend were involved indirectly.

The thing is, Steven does not have custody of his son. His mother will soon be arrested for killing the mother of his child. The child will learn that grandma killed his mommy. The whole situation is insane and these people involved aren't going to ever live the normal life they thought they would have after getting Heather out of the picture.

My two cents.

Welcome to these boards, angeleyes14.

Very interesting about the stride of the MIL - I haven't seen the video of the MIL at the police station. Besides the stride, body proportions can help in identifcation -- comparing various proportions of the MIL's body is compared to the unidentified person. For example, checking top of head to shoulder ratio, shoulder to waist ratio, etc.

I agree with your conclusion.

[KittyMom]

I'd like to see the video of the m-i-l. Where is it?

[TBIBeg]

I've been trying to follow this case and I cannot believe that it's not getting more coverage!

i too would like to see the video of the mom leaving the police station.



Poor baby.

[Dolores367]

Hi All:

Here is the link to the video of the mother in law leaving the police station. I could not agree more that the stride and carriage is very similar to the person on the Target tape, it was the first thing I thought of when seeing the MIL video two weeks ago. Also, there is additional footage that appears to have been captured mmediately after the shooting that looks very "female" in terms of motion. This case is heartbreaking. I lived in GA for 4 years, one mile from this Target and shopped there will my son who was a baby at the time. This really hit home as Heather should have been safe there.

[Dolores367]

Sorry -- here is the link!

http://snellvilleconfidential.blogspot.com/2009/05/heather-strube-murder-case-police.html

[KittyMom]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/InLaws_Truck_Linked_to_Target_Shooting_051809

Snellville Cops: Truck
Belongs to In-Law

Investigators said a white truck that might be connected to the crime belongs to the victim's in-laws.

[KittyMom]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Video_Released_in_Target_Shooting_043009

I found it!!!! I agree with the previous poster. The build and stride of the m-i-l matches the video of the killer that was released.

[Angeleyes14]

I have no doubt in my mind it is the mother-in-law.

The family, especially Steven Strube has a shady past as well including fraud of some sort.

The mother in law walks just like the person in the disguised video.

The MIL also has a white truck. Which police say the person escaped in a white older model truck in the back of target.

We know it is someone related and not random. So who else is left??

Its going down.

And don't be scared to live in Georgia. It could have happened anywhere like here in Florida. It has nothing to do with location but rather the poor Heather married the wrong man and now lost her life.

[Dolores367]

I completey agree Angeleyes -- this will come to a close very soon. So unbelievably sad. I loved that area of Georgia when I lived there and that particular shopping center just had a nice feel to it -- very busy with families. It just seems like such a DUH crime -- I mean really, who would know to wait at that shopping center, at that particular time. It is pretty obvious what happened. Even in the video where she is being taken in for fingerprinting, the MIL turns her head away from the camera and almost appears to be trying to alter her walk. It is fascinating how you can't "change"' what is inherently there in your posture/walk. I am curious to get a good look at her face once she is arrested.

[Kip]

Sorry -- here is the link!

http://snellvilleconfidential.blogspot.com/2009/05/heather-strube-murder-case-police.html

Thanks for that link, Dolores!

Wow, the MIL sure looks young - and looks a lot like the sketch from the little we can see of her. I agree with you all - the gait looks the same as the person on the surveillance tape.

[Dolores367]

According to some info I have seen, the MIL is 43, which means she was 18 when her son was born (if he is indeed 25).

[Kip]

According to some info I have seen, the MIL is 43, which means she was 18 when her son was born (if he is indeed 25).

Yeah, I had read she was 43 too. But for some reason I expected her to look older and dumpier (don't know why I was expecting that as I'm 15 years older and don't think of myself as dumpy).

[Dolores367]

I saw her, then I saw "43" and I thought "Wait a minute, that is how old I am" -- I guess I expected to see someone more "together" looking. But considering her actions, I guess I should not have expected to see a "mom". I just can't imagine someone going to these lengths and actually thinking that this was a viable "solution" to whatever her perceived problem was. I am just thankful she is not smarter and thus likely to get away with it. She must not watch much educational TV -- the rest of us know there are security cameras everywhere -- I wouldn't pick a wedgie in public!

[justafriend]

Anyone who has ever fired a gun would know you come home smelling of gunpowder, it is nearly impossible to prevent it. Hopefully the GBI will be able to pickup trace amounts of gunpower residue from the steering wheel of her truck.
The M.I.L. did not attend the funeral but her ex husband (ExFIL) did, just as any grand parent would, no matter if you got along with your inlaws or not.
Steven is a very good liar, very calm and cool about it, (got that from his mother) he was involved in an affair for almost as long as he was married, all the while seeking spirital counseling through several churches tring to understand what thier issues were. Steven was a minor league baseball player at one time but left due to medical reasons.
Heather was a special kind of person, you don't meet too many people in this life that are truly self-less and who embody words like love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.... she did.

[Kip]

Anyone who has ever fired a gun would know you come home smelling of gunpowder, it is nearly impossible to prevent it. Hopefully the GBI will be able to pickup trace amounts of gunpower residue from the steering wheel of her truck.
The M.I.L. did not attend the funeral but her ex husband (ExFIL) did, just as any grand parent would, no matter if you got along with your inlaws or not.
Steven is a very good liar, very calm and cool about it, (got that from his mother) he was involved in an affair for almost as long as he was married, all the while seeking spirital counseling through several churches tring to understand what thier issues were. Steven was a minor league baseball player at one time but left due to medical reasons.
Heather was a special kind of person, you don't meet too many people in this life that are truly self-less and who embody words like love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.... she did.

Given the circumstances, I've got to think that the GBI will come up with enough to tie her to the crime.

It's telling that she didn't attend the funeral service -- but thank goodness she didn't try to -- that would have been so awful for the family.

justafriend -- it sounds like you truly were a friend of Heather's. My condolences on your loss. It's a crying shame that Heather won't be able to raise her son and that her son won't be able to truly get to know his mother.

[KittyMom]

Waiting for justice for Heather, her son, and her family. May it be swift and full.

[TBIBeg]

Waiting for justice for Heather, her son, and her family. May it be swift and full.

Amen. :sad:

[Angeleyes14]

The ex, Steven Strube attended the funeral??


Mr. Strube claims that he was never married to Heather, regardless of what the reports say said Chief of Snellville Police

I think he must live in whole other reality and the sad thing is that his new girlfriend must beleive that he was never married, otherwise she would not still be with him.

[TBIBeg]

The ex, Steven Strube attended the funeral??


Mr. Strube claims that he was never married to Heather, regardless of what the reports say said Chief of Snellville Police

I think he must live in whole other reality and the sad thing is that his new girlfriend must beleive that he was never married, otherwise she would not still be with him.


Heathers Ex Father in Law attended the funeral. I don't know about Steven

[Amy]

The ex, Steven Strube attended the funeral??


Mr. Strube claims that he was never married to Heather, regardless of what the reports say said Chief of Snellville Police

I think he must live in whole other reality and the sad thing is that his new girlfriend must beleive that he was never married, otherwise she would not still be with him.

Well, I would guess court records, or county records, whatever they are would determine the truth of that. It would be foolish for him to say they were never married if there are records. Even if they weren't married in the traditional sense, I was just looking up common law marriage in another case. If they presented as husband and wife and lived together--that is a common law marriage and would require a divorce (which is what is reported they were in the process of or had just finished?) So, if it was common law, it was still a marriage legally.

[KittyMom]

Well, I would guess court records, or county records, whatever they are would determine the truth of that. It would be foolish for him to say they were never married if there are records. Even if they weren't married in the traditional sense, I was just looking up common law marriage in another case. If they presented as husband and wife and lived together--that is a common law marriage and would require a divorce (which is what is reported they were in the process of or had just finished?) So, if it was common law, it was still a marriage legally.

It wasn't Heather's husband. It was her father-in-law...the ex to her m-i-l. He is Steven Strube Sr.

[Amy]

It wasn't Heather's husband. It was her father-in-law...the ex to her m-i-l. He is Steven Strube Sr.

It remains the same, no matter which one said it. If there is a marriage, it is in the records. If there wasn't one, but they lived together and called themselves husband and wife, it is common law--and still requires a divorce, a marriage nevertheless.

[dref99]

It wasn't Heather's husband. It was her father-in-law...the ex to her m-i-l. He is Steven Strube Sr.

Thanks for that - cannot be easy for him as well, wondering what has happened here.


It remains the same, no matter which one said it. If there is a marriage, it is in the records. If there wasn't one, but they lived together and called themselves husband and wife, it is common law--and still requires a divorce, a marriage nevertheless.

I've never heard of needing a divorce if you weren't married (I have no idea if this couple were or weren't married).

Are you confusing this with having to pay alimony and/or child support? This can happen whether or not you are married.

jmo

[TBIBeg]

It remains the same, no matter which one said it. If there is a marriage, it is in the records. If there wasn't one, but they lived together and called themselves husband and wife, it is common law--and still requires a divorce, a marriage nevertheless.


Huh?

A poster said Heather's FIL attended the funeral. Another poster said "Her HUSBAND attened the funeraL"??

Myself and the next poster say "It was her Father in Law, not her husband"

[Dolores367]

Hi:

Here is an update --

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Truck_Searched_in_Target_Shooting_Case_052009

they have the truck and some footage of the MIL's home where the truck was retrieved from. So many people (on other boards) made fun of the police sketch saying how "bad" and "amatuerish" it was, but I have to say it really does look like her. I wonder how long it will be before they arrest her -- if she has any sense at all she must see how obvious it is given the sketch, the car, etc. I hope she does not have the resources to flee (unlikely she does).

[KittyMom]

It remains the same, no matter which one said it. If there is a marriage, it is in the records. If there wasn't one, but they lived together and called themselves husband and wife, it is common law--and still requires a divorce, a marriage nevertheless.

:shrug: huh? Are you sure you read the comments completely? We've been discussing which Steven Strube attended the funeral. There was some confusion about whether it was senior or junior. I could care less if there was a legal marriage between Jr's parents, but it does say a lot about the character of Sr that he would respect his ex-d-i-l and grandchild by attending Heather's funeral.

[KittyMom]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Truck_Searched_in_Target_Shooting_Case_052009

The witness said they got a good look at the person who killed Heather Strube.

"He walked past us and he had like a laptop bag holding it like this and he had the gun inside of it folded in half. I was actually scared he was coming towards me and my boyfriend, like we jumped into the truck and drove off," said Kouidri.


Well, sounds like LE has at least two witnesses to the perp. That should be helpful in securing a conviction.

[Dolores367]

I believe at one point I heard she left the truck in the Target lot, although I am not sure. The witness said she walked off in the direction of Ronald Regan Pkwy which runs alongside the Target and is a fairly fast moving highway (no traffic lights). I wonder which direction her son drove off in and if he was waiting there to pick her up. Just a thought --- although I don't see the purpose in leaving the truck if it was indeed left.

[Kip]

I believe at one point I heard she left the truck in the Target lot, although I am not sure. The witness said she walked off in the direction of Ronald Regan Pkwy which runs alongside the Target and is a fairly fast moving highway (no traffic lights). I wonder which direction her son drove off in and if he was waiting there to pick her up. Just a thought --- although I don't see the purpose in leaving the truck if it was indeed left.

parking lot where truck was (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/InLaws_Truck_Linked_to_Target_Shooting_051809)

the video at this link shows the parking lot where the truck was. It was a motel parking lot in back of Target. Police think the shooter walked around the back of Target, through a line of trees, and into the motel parking lot to retrieve the truck.

[Dolores367]

parking lot where truck was (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/InLaws_Truck_Linked_to_Target_Shooting_051809)

the video at this link shows the parking lot where the truck was. It was a motel parking lot in back of Target. Police think the shooter walked around the back of Target, through a line of trees, and into the motel parking lot to retrieve the truck.

Thanks for the link -- I missed this article. Wow -- I wonder if the hotel has video of the person leaving the vehicle there and then entering it after the shooting.

[kris10]

There are a lot of very smart deductions on this message board. Heather was one of my best friends. She owned a flower shop in Porterdale outside of Covington named Blooms that I managed and worked VERY closely with her. It was just before her breakup with Steven that she laid me off, closed the shop and went to work for her Mother at her flower shop because she feared financial ruin in the divorce. I knew Steven very well also AND was around his mother quite a bit. During the time frame of his unemployment he was in the shop almost every day and his mother came to help on many, many occasions, especially at holidays when we worked extremely long hours. Heather had confided in me that Joanna hated her when she and Steven first got together and tried to forbid Steven to date her. (They were highschool sweethearts.)
Heather's pregnancy with Carson was very difficult. She was sick almost the entire time and it really took a toll on her and their marriage. I really believe that this was when the cheating started. Our friends figured it out much earlier than Heather did, she loved him dearly and was devastated that he could do such a thing. She talked to me more than once about how crazy Steven and his family were being during the divorce, and took steps (that I won't talk about here because the evidence hasn't been found yet) to be able to prove that they were treating her terribly and then hid the evidence to safeguard it. Unfortunately only told us the vicinity of the area where it is hidden and now it can't be located. So, she definitly felt that she was in danger.

Let me mention here that Steven has a conviction for a charge brought against him in 2007 by one of his best friends for making terroristic threats. So he is no angel.

Steven and his mother have a VERY strange relationship. She is one of those do-anything-for-the-love-of-her-child type. She came and worked in the shop all the time even though she hated Heather. It was just weird. She not only drives a little white, early 90's model pickup truck which I have witnessed myself, but she is also exactly 5'7" tall (I know that because I had a conversation with her about it when I was inquiring how tall Steven's father was because he is 6'3" or more and she didn't seem very tall at all) and she said that she was 5'7". Also, she has a very unique gait. Someone mentioned earlier in this post that the gait of the person in the surveilance video and the gait of the mother-in-law walking in the police station were similar.

Well, that is because it is THE SAME! I knew it the instant I watched the surveilance video and I haven't been around her since May of 2008.

It is only a matter of time before they get it all figured out and may I make another prediction: it will come out that she did it because Steven told her to. I would be willing to bet that he DID leave quicker than he normally did because he knew that he needed to get clear so that she could swoop in and do the deed.

Heather was the MOST beautiful soul anyone could ever know. She was generous and kind and gentle and intuitive and understanding. She touched my life in so many ways and I will miss her greatly. This was such a shocking thing to me because I now live across the country 3,000 miles away and was unaware of how intense things were getting with the divorce and custody issues. It is sickening to me that she died the way that she did. I hate to think of her last emotion being fear for herself and her son. It was said to me that she called out for help for herself and Carson . . . God Bless Her, she is definitely with him in Heaven. Please pray that her killer is brought to justice and thank you for starting this thread. I needed to do this somewhere.

[Kip]

There are a lot of very smart deductions on this message board. Heather was one of my best friends. She owned a flower shop in Porterdale outside of Covington named Blooms that I managed and worked VERY closely with her. It was just before her breakup with Steven that she laid me off, closed the shop and went to work for her Mother at her flower shop because she feared financial ruin in the divorce. I knew Steven very well also AND was around his mother quite a bit. During the time frame of his unemployment he was in the shop almost every day and his mother came to help on many, many occasions, especially at holidays when we worked extremely long hours. Heather had confided in me that Joanna hated her when she and Steven first got together and tried to forbid Steven to date her. (They were highschool sweethearts.)
Heather's pregnancy with Carson was very difficult. She was sick almost the entire time and it really took a toll on her and their marriage. I really believe that this was when the cheating started. Our friends figured it out much earlier than Heather did, she loved him dearly and was devastated that he could do such a thing. She talked to me more than once about how crazy Steven and his family were being during the divorce, and took steps (that I won't talk about here because the evidence hasn't been found yet) to be able to prove that they were treating her terribly and then hid the evidence to safeguard it. Unfortunately only told us the vicinity of the area where it is hidden and now it can't be located. So, she definitly felt that she was in danger.

Let me mention here that Steven has a conviction for a charge brought against him in 2007 by one of his best friends for making terroristic threats. So he is no angel.

Steven and his mother have a VERY strange relationship. She is one of those do-anything-for-the-love-of-her-child type. She came and worked in the shop all the time even though she hated Heather. It was just weird. She not only drives a little white, early 90's model pickup truck which I have witnessed myself, but she is also exactly 5'7" tall (I know that because I had a conversation with her about it when I was inquiring how tall Steven's father was because he is 6'3" or more and she didn't seem very tall at all) and she said that she was 5'7". Also, she has a very unique gait. Someone mentioned earlier in this post that the gait of the person in the surveilance video and the gait of the mother-in-law walking in the police station were similar.

Well, that is because it is THE SAME! I knew it the instant I watched the surveilance video and I haven't been around her since May of 2008.

It is only a matter of time before they get it all figured out and may I make another prediction: it will come out that she did it because Steven told her to. I would be willing to bet that he DID leave quicker than he normally did because he knew that he needed to get clear so that she could swoop in and do the deed.

Heather was the MOST beautiful soul anyone could ever know. She was generous and kind and gentle and intuitive and understanding. She touched my life in so many ways and I will miss her greatly. This was such a shocking thing to me because I now live across the country 3,000 miles away and was unaware of how intense things were getting with the divorce and custody issues. It is sickening to me that she died the way that she did. I hate to think of her last emotion being fear for herself and her son. It was said to me that she called out for help for herself and Carson . . . God Bless Her, she is definitely with him in Heaven. Please pray that her killer is brought to justice and thank you for starting this thread. I needed to do this somewhere.

Kris10, my condolences on the loss of your friend. It sounds like Heather was a wonderful person who will be missed by many. It's just so sad that Carson won't get to be raised by Heather.

Thank you for providing all of that background information.

It looks to me like law enforcement will likely be able to make a strong case against the MIL. There's a circumstantial case against Steven -- just by virtue of the fact that the shooter knew the exact time and exact place. In a normal conversation, Steven might say, "I'm meeting Heather at Target at this afternoon" [or even say "at 2"]. It wouldn't be normal to say "I'm meeting Heather at the north end of row 17 in the Target parking lot." The shooter knew exactly where to go. Whether or not that will be enough to convict, I don't know. But hopefully Steven and his mom will turn on each other, or Steven will say something to incriminate himself -- or there will some evidence.

[Ninja108]

A mother that is willing to kill for her child will not turn on that child. And sadly, unless there's direct evidence stating that he told his mother to kill her, whatever role he may or may not have played in the shooting will go unpunished.

[TBIBeg]

<snip> Please pray that her killer is brought to justice and thank you for starting this thread. I needed to do this somewhere.


:rose: First let me say that I am so very sorry for the loss of your friend. This is senseless and what's more, this poor baby is now motherless.

I can only ask WHY and pray that justice is served.

Please keep us updated on any info you find. I too am pretty certain that it is the mother in law in the video.

:(

[TBIBeg]

A mother that is willing to kill for her child will not turn on that child. And sadly, unless there's direct evidence stating that he told his mother to kill her, whatever role he may or may not have played in the shooting will go unpunished.


You are so right. So, I hope that LE is able to find the evidence that will nail his azz to a wall right along with mommy dearest.
:cursing:

[Dolores367]

Thank you for the insight Kris10. It sounds like Heather was a truly lovely person and it is a shame she married into what appears to be a very dysfunctional family. It appears MIL knew Heather had it together and was jealous, thus explaining the nasty behavior. I only wish she had documented the poor treatment and then let them know "If anything happens to me, there is a document somewhere/with someone telling LE "where to look first" (aka AT YOU!). Although this may not have made a difference seeing these folks are crazy.

Here is a new article:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2009/05/21/strube_mother_in_law.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_new stab

[Kip]

Thank you for the insight Kris10. It sounds like Heather was a truly lovely person and it is a shame she married into what appears to be a very dysfunctional family. It appears MIL knew Heather had it together and was jealous, thus explaining the nasty behavior. I only wish she had documented the poor treatment and then let them know "If anything happens to me, there is a document somewhere/with someone telling LE "where to look first" (aka AT YOU!). Although this may not have made a difference seeing these folks are crazy.

Here is a new article:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2009/05/21/strube_mother_in_law.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_new stab

Interesting...from the story at that link, LE has named the MIL as a person of interest. And:

... investigators have questioned her [the MIL] twice, once at her home and once at police headquarters.

“She has not been cooperative at all since,” Thomas said.

[Kip]

A mother that is willing to kill for her child will not turn on that child. And sadly, unless there's direct evidence stating that he told his mother to kill her, whatever role he may or may not have played in the shooting will go unpunished.

Probably not, but looking at in another way, it wouldn't surprise me that a person who is so morally bankrupt that they would murder someone would turn on her son to save her own *** (or possibly get a reduced sentence).

It's also possible that there's at least circumstantial evidence of their communicating immediately before the murder to get their timing down. One can only hope that they'd be so stupid as to text or email each other about this -- or that one of them was so stupid as to tell someone else about their plan.

[Dolores367]

Someone like this just might turn on her son thinking in some warped way they will at least be "together" in jail. My guess is everything is hunky-dory as long as she has control and would not like it much if he were free to do as he pleases (possibly be with a woman she does not approve of, etc.) while she is locked up. I hope this comes to a resolution soon.

[Ninja108]

If the husband was involved in addition to the MIL (and I think he is), there has to be independent evidence such as text messages etc. In most places, you need independent evidence to make an arrest. Her word alone wouldn't be enough.

[AngelDad]

Thanks to all that have contributed their ideas and opinions to this post.
Some seem to have some knowledge of the individuals involved.
Any information, no matter how insignificant it may seem, would be helpful in piecing together the links to connect all those involved to the murderer.

If you have any information about the situation please contact:
Detective Kevin Sebring
770-985-3576
ksebring@snellville.org

Thank you from me and my angel.

[Kip]

Thanks to all that have contributed their ideas and opinions to this post.
Some seem to have some knowledge of the individuals involved.
Any information, no matter how insignificant it may seem, would be helpful in piecing together the links to connect all those involved to the murderer.

If you have any information about the situation please contact:
Detective Kevin Sebring
770-985-3576
ksebring@snellville.org

Thank you from me and my angel.

Hello, AngelDad. It sounds like you're Heather's father. If so, my sincere condolences on your loss. From the people who knew Heather who have posted here, it's clear that Heather was truly an outstanding young woman. It's such a shame she was taken from you and the rest of her family and friends so early and in such a terrible manner.

May justice be done.

[KittyMom]

Shame we've not seen an arrest in this case yet.

[Amy]

Hello, AngelDad. It sounds like you're Heather's father. If so, my sincere condolences on your loss. From the people who knew Heather who have posted here, it's clear that Heather was truly an outstanding young woman. It's such a shame she was taken from you and the rest of her family and friends so early and in such a terrible manner.

May justice be done.


:rose::rose::rose:

[AngelDad]

Yes, this is Heather's dad.
Thank you for your kind words.

[aproudmom]

Thanks to all that have contributed their ideas and opinions to this post.
Some seem to have some knowledge of the individuals involved.
Any information, no matter how insignificant it may seem, would be helpful in piecing together the links to connect all those involved to the murderer.

If you have any information about the situation please contact:
Detective Kevin Sebring
770-985-3576
ksebring@snellville.org

Thank you from me and my angel.

God bless you and your family I have you in my prayers

[anotherfrien]

I'm glad that we're finally getting somewhere with the investigation.. Just a few comments to add..

I spent an evening with Heather last fall to catch up. She shared with me some of the horrific details of the pending divorce. Heather told me that she was scared of Steven. I was good friends with Heather and Steven for many years and knew both of them before they met each other. Steven was always a wild one.. He once got a ticket from a Snellville police officer for "excessive honking" while we were in a bowling alley parking lot. Only Steven. If it turns out that Steven has nothing to do with this whole mess, I won't be surprised. Although he has his share of issues like we all do, I highly doubt he would be capable of such cold blooded violence. With that said, I haven't been regular friends with him since high school so I suppose people can and do change. Just for the record, Steven did want to attend the funeral but wasn't allowed to per police orders.

All of this talk about Heather being such a sweet angel is highly understated. Words cannot encapsulate just how loving and bubbly she was all the time. As my heart broke last fall during our evening together, she still had a sparkle in her eye and a hopeful attitude. She concentrated on the positive in her life. I was blown away by such a bright outlook. Still am really.

I've never been to a more difficult funeral. It still hasn't fully settled in. However, there were just as many laughs as there were sobs. Heather's beautiful life brought such joy to us all. Many people go their entire lifetimes without accomplishing as much as Heather did during her short time on this earth. Let us follow her example. Even when we face difficult days and troubling times, may we keep our eyes on Jesus and do whatever it takes to love others unconditionally. Just like Heather did, lets make every day count.

-BG

[KittyMom]

Is this Heather's father-in-law?

http://www.myspace.com/stevestrube
Male
46 years old
LUTHERSVILLE, Georgia
United States

Last Login: 4/28/2009

[KittyMom]

This is from the link above. I'm trying to find a photo of Joanna Strube.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/ctv/Heather_Strube.jpg

[Dolores367]

Hi Heather's Dad -- I am so sorry that you lost your daughter in such a horrific manner. It is very sad to think that someone could do this to another human being, especially one who was so universally well-liked.

On a separate note, everyone take a good look at the picture posted of Heather, Steve and Carson. Steve's face is a masculine version of the police sketch.....same facial planes, etc. I'll bet he is the spitting image of his mama who did the deed.

[reborn]

Hi Heather's Dad -- I am so sorry that you lost your daughter in such a horrific manner. It is very sad to think that someone could do this to another human being, especially one who was so universally well-liked.

On a separate note, everyone take a good look at the picture posted of Heather, Steve and Carson. Steve's face is a masculine version of the police sketch.....same facial planes, etc. I'll bet he is the spitting image of his mama who did the deed.

I saw a video of the mother leaving the police station. She appeared to be much heavier than the person in the parking lot video. That parking lot video looked like a very thin person. I actually thought teenager . You know how they go through a gawky age.

[Dolores367]

I saw a video of the mother leaving the police station. She appeared to be much heavier than the person in the parking lot video. That parking lot video looked like a very thin person. I actually thought teenager . You know how they go through a gawky age.

In the video I saw the mother was wearing a very unflattering t-shirt several sizes too large when she was picked up, but I could see skinny arms and legs and in my opinion, a slight build. The person on the video was wearing something that appeared to be more form fitting although of a unisex nature. Bear in mind the picture was also taken from an "above" vantage point, which may have enhanced the appearance of thinness. For me, there are too many things: the build, the face and the feminine carriage. I would bet my last dollar that she is the shooter. If it were NOT me and I was picked up for fingerprinting, I would not feel the need to hide my face -- I would just assume they were eliminating suspects. She also crosses her arms over her chest -- perhaps to avoid swinging her arms with each step as the person in the video? So much to wonder about.

[KittyMom]

I'd like to know who the m-i-l is close to. Does she have a boyfriend or someone that she may've talked to about Heather? Someone who had a clue as to what she was thinking.

It's time for Steven Strube to stand up and be a man. If he knows or suspects anything about the murder he needs to do the right things by his little boy. That would make me feel better about him having anything at all to do with Carson as he grows up.

[AngelDad]

The Steve Strube on myspace is in fact the F-I-L he is no longer married to Joanna. The picture on his home page is him with Heather's son at his first b-day party. Joanna does, in fact, have a slight build.
The other picture in the next post is of Heather, Steven, and Carson not too long after he was born.

Again, thanks for everyone that has offered their condolences. We just want a speedy resolution to this situation and we want Carson to have an amazing future.

[KittyMom]

The Steve Strube on myspace is in fact the F-I-L he is no longer married to Joanna. The picture on his home page is him with Heather's son at his first b-day party. Joanna does, in fact, have a slight build.
The other picture in the next post is of Heather, Steven, and Carson not too long after he was born.

Again, thanks for everyone that has offered their condolences. We just want a speedy resolution to this situation and we want Carson to have an amazing future.

I pray you get justice soon and that Carson grows up to know what a wonderful mommy and family he has.

If we can help with contacting media or running down details just let the posters know. This is a pretty good group of people that really get behind victims and family.

[Dolores367]

I have been meaning to post this link because back on May 2nd, someone named or using the name "Gary" posted a comment suggesting the shooter is female. The post is odd and implies some knowledge of who it is. Take a look.......

http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/heather-strube-murder-4262009-snellville-ga-shot-in-the-head-in-a-target-parking-lot-by-person-with-fake-beard-and-mustache-and-wig/

I think this post pre-dates the first news reports of the shooter possibly being female. Perhaps this "Gary" has already gone to LE about this.

Also, I tried looking up Joanna Strube to see if I could find a FB account or something with a photo -- no luck. It looks like she also goes or at one time used the name Joanna Hayes.

[Kip]

I have been meaning to post this link because back on May 2nd, someone named or using the name "Gary" posted a comment suggesting the shooter is female. The post is odd and implies some knowledge of who it is. Take a look.......

http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/heather-strube-murder-4262009-snellville-ga-shot-in-the-head-in-a-target-parking-lot-by-person-with-fake-beard-and-mustache-and-wig/

I think this post pre-dates the first news reports of the shooter possibly being female. Perhaps this "Gary" has already gone to LE about this.

Also, I tried looking up Joanna Strube to see if I could find a FB account or something with a photo -- no luck. It looks like she also goes or at one time used the name Joanna Hayes.

Good find, Dolores367! That was really early. This Gary really wanted to make sure people knew it was a woman, putting "HER" in all caps.

[KittyMom]

Good find, Dolores367! That was really early. This Gary really wanted to make sure people knew it was a woman, putting "HER" in all caps.

Could be a family member. I'm sure as soon as LE decided to question the m-i-l, they let the family know what they were doing. Especially, if they'd already questioned Heather's family about the relationship between the m-i-l and them. I think I remember reading that the m-i-l had helped out at the flower shop in the past.

[Abbie]

Forgive my pre-judgemental and cynical tude, but I think this case has the soon-to-be-ex written all over it. Why else would the police issue an order he cannot contact or visit his own son. That doesnt sound right, something hinky there. JMO. Maybe fake mustache/wig person was hired by husband.

[Dolores367]

Forgive my pre-judgemental and cynical tude, but I think this case has the soon-to-be-ex written all over it. Why else would the police issue an order he cannot contact or visit his own son. That doesnt sound right, something hinky there. JMO. Maybe fake mustache/wig person was hired by husband.

I think the mil actually DID it -- on behalf of her son, whether he knew about it beforehand is unknown. Maybe LE issued the order because of the close relationship between the husband and his mother -- I seem to recall that at some point during the separation/divorce there was a restraining order already in place.

[Ninja108]

I pray they find out who the killer is and soon. My option, the ex-husband knew about it before hand or knows about it now but either way, that no contact order won't stay in place forever unless an arrest is made.

[Dolores367]

I pray they find out who the killer is and soon. My option, the ex-husband knew about it before hand or knows about it now but either way, that no contact order won't stay in place forever unless an arrest is made.

I am hoping they are close to an arrest and the thing that is holding them up is making sure everything is in place to prosecute all parties involved. It would be quicker to just nab one of them, but I have a feeling both may have been involved.

[withay]

After seeing the videos and reading about the conflicts with the MIL, I have to say I agree that the MIL walks like the person in the video. Both hold their body from the hips up very stiffly except for the swinging arms. And both have long lanky, looking legs.

Regarding someone's questions about common-law marriages earlier: Georgia has not allowed new common-law marriages in about 15 years. If you were common-law prior to that, it is still legal but Heather and her husband were too young for that to apply to them.

[sundropsuzi]

If shooter was observed pacinging the parking lot prior to arrival of either parent's vehicles, and we know shooter had to have time to park @ motel, walk to spot and pace lot before Heather's arrival, shows minute to minute planning w/ clear knowledge of father's arrival time. Perhaps video of prior day with shooter walking the target spots between motel and Target lot and determining timing.....

[Adalena935]

Frankly, these days I would. There have been too many random "road rage" type killings around here.

Yes, if I were minding my own business and some stranger approached me and started arguing with me about something, I'd assume he was not rational and possibly dangerous and would look around for possible help and get out of there fast.

The news clip upthread said they believe Heather knew her killer, though. You're approaching it from the prospective of hindsight also.

Most people think they know what they would do.

No one screams for help when a person known to them approaches.

[Adalena935]

Just recently there was a rerun of a case where there were custody issues. The mom had custody, but she was in contempt of court frequently because she put all obstacles in the way of the dad having his court ordered visitations. There was to be a hearing where the judge (who had warned the mom time after time) was going to determine if custody should go to dad. HER mom lured the fellow out of his apartment and HER dad shot him. Grandma wasn't about to give up control of having her grandbaby with the mom.

So, it wouldn't be the first time for the MIL to be the perp, if this is the case.

I recall that case. There was also another similar one rerun on trutv recently wherein the grandparents murdered the ex-DIL and dismembered her body. She too wasn't about to give up control of the grandbaby.

[Adalena935]

If it is his mom... too much of a coincidence for me... I would definitely wonder if he knew what was up...... to do that in front of a child... your own flesh & blood..... :angry:

It wouldn't surprise me to learn the Father was in on the murder. Wouldn't be the first of it's kind or even very unique. TruTv has run several such cases. Whoever did it knew Heather would be there at that time.

[Adalena935]

Sorry -- here is the link!

http://snellvilleconfidential.blogspot.com/2009/05/heather-strube-murder-case-police.html

I believe it's her. Her legs proceed her. She carries the top half of her body back.

[Adalena935]

The M.I.L. did not attend the funeral but her ex husband (ExFIL) did, just as any grand parent would, no matter if you got along with your inlaws or not.

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I disagree. My best friend didn't. That's a flawed yardstick to use in my opinion.

[Amy]

The news clip upthread said they believe Heather knew her killer, though. You're approaching it from the prospective of hindsight also.

Most people think they know what they would do.

No one screams for help when a person known to them approaches.

You have to wonder what was going thru Heather's mind if she recognized the person approaching her as her MIL in disguise? Well, even if it was just another woman she knew--still one would think that would be odd as all get out.

[Amy]

I recall that case. There was also another similar one rerun on trutv recently wherein the grandparents murdered the ex-DIL and dismembered her body. She too wasn't about to give up control of the grandbaby.

I saw that one just in the past week or so--the grandmother really had issues, felt the boy was hers and even told friends that she "breastfed" him!!! The dad went to prison, too. Altho he was @ work, there were an ususal amount of phone calls to his parents about the time the murder would have taken place.

The one I mentioned, I think the mom was also in prison along w/her parents, but her dad (who took a deal) has already died of cancer.

[Adalena935]

Heather was the MOST beautiful soul anyone could ever know. She was generous and kind and gentle and intuitive and understanding. She touched my life in so many ways and I will miss her greatly. This was such a shocking thing to me because I now live across the country 3,000 miles away and was unaware of how intense things were getting with the divorce and custody issues. It is sickening to me that she died the way that she did. I hate to think of her last emotion being fear for herself and her son. It was said to me that she called out for help for herself and Carson . . . God Bless Her, she is definitely with him in Heaven. Please pray that her killer is brought to justice and thank you for starting this thread. I needed to do this somewhere.

Thank you so much for sharing that. You're in my prayers.

[Adalena935]

A mother that is willing to kill for her child will not turn on that child. And sadly, unless there's direct evidence stating that he told his mother to kill her, whatever role he may or may not have played in the shooting will go unpunished.

If they can prove the two of them plotted it together, it won't.

[Adalena935]

The Steve Strube on myspace is in fact the F-I-L he is no longer married to Joanna. The picture on his home page is him with Heather's son at his first b-day party. Joanna does, in fact, have a slight build.
The other picture in the next post is of Heather, Steven, and Carson not too long after he was born.

Again, thanks for everyone that has offered their condolences. We just want a speedy resolution to this situation and we want Carson to have an amazing future.

Please know you are in my prayers.

[Adalena935]

You have to wonder what was going thru Heather's mind if she recognized the person approaching her as her MIL in disguise? Well, even if it was just another woman she knew--still one would think that would be odd as all get out.

I don't know. Whenever anyone takes in anything around them, they're trying to make sense of it. Yes a woman in a cheap disguise is odd looking. I don't think she expected to die, except maybe for the last few seconds; hence her trying to get into her vehicle and get away. What kind of a madwoman would do such a terrible thing.

No matter what, can't put somebody behind bars before they commit the crime and by the time you figure it out it's oftentimes too late.
Very tragic.

[Adalena935]

I saw that one just in the past week or so--the grandmother really had issues, felt the boy was hers and even told friends that she "breastfed" him!!! The dad went to prison, too. Altho he was @ work, there were an ususal amount of phone calls to his parents about the time the murder would have taken place.

The one I mentioned, I think the mom was also in prison along w/her parents, but her dad (who took a deal) has already died of cancer.

Sadly there's no shortage of lunatics.

[jacksonsmom]

Heather's family and friends are in my prayers. Heather's son will also be lifted up in prayer. This is my theroy:

I've been following this case since this tradegy happened. What puzzles me is no one heard gunshots. Which leads to believe that a (silencer) was possibly used. Remember the killer had the gun in a laptop sort of bag. So, "NO shell casings were left behind", and no loud noise. This was done in broad daylight. I'm not familar with guns, but I do know what gunshots sound like-. Another thing that puzzles me is what witnesses, "Heard them arguing" WHY WOULD A KILLER bring attention to themselves??? Arging with someone they are trying to kill?? I want to ask witness or witness(s) "What exactly did you hear during the argument? Personally if I hear someone arguing- I'm going to watch, and listen every minute of it. (Wouldn't most of us do the same?) I also believe the MIL and, son conspriered together, and planned every detail. On the Target parking lot video--the killer is ducking down between cars waiting for Heather & Steven to make the exchange of the baby. Steven drives off immediately, and the killer IMMEDIATELY COMES out of hiding walking directly to her SUV. Hummm. I saw the video link of the MIL leaving the police station, and her walk looks like the killer leaving Target. I hope and pray the killer is caught quickly. Please keep me updated. Again-my prayers are with Heather's friends, family ,and her motherless son.(HUGS)

[jacksonsmom]

Heather's family and friends are in my prayers. Heather's son will also be lifted up in prayer. This is my theroy:

I've been following this case since this tradegy happened. What puzzles me is no one heard gunshots. Which leads to believe that a (silencer) was possibly used. Remember the killer had the gun in a laptop sort of bag. So, "NO shell casings were left behind", and no loud noise. This was done in broad daylight. I'm not familar with guns, but I do know what gunshots sound like-. Another thing that puzzles me is what witnesses, "Heard them arguing" WHY WOULD A KILLER bring attention to themselves??? Arging with someone they are trying to kill?? I want to ask witness or witness(s) "What exactly did you hear during the argument? Personally if I hear someone arguing- I'm going to watch, and listen every minute of it. (Wouldn't most of us do the same?) I also believe the MIL and, son conspriered together, and planned every detail. On the Target parking lot video--the killer is ducking down between cars waiting for Heather & Steven to make the exchange of the baby. Steven drives off immediately, and the killer IMMEDIATELY COMES out of hiding walking directly to her SUV. Hummm. I saw the video link of the MIL leaving the police station, and her walk looks like the killer leaving Target. I hope and pray the killer is caught quickly. Please keep me updated. Again-my prayers are with Heather's friends, family ,and her motherless son.(HUGS)

[Dolores367]

Heather's family and friends are in my prayers. Heather's son will also be lifted up in prayer. This is my theroy:

I've been following this case since this tradegy happened. What puzzles me is no one heard gunshots. Which leads to believe that a (silencer) was possibly used. Remember the killer had the gun in a laptop sort of bag. So, "NO shell casings were left behind", and no loud noise. This was done in broad daylight. I'm not familar with guns, but I do know what gunshots sound like-. Another thing that puzzles me is what witnesses, "Heard them arguing" WHY WOULD A KILLER bring attention to themselves??? Arging with someone they are trying to kill?? I want to ask witness or witness(s) "What exactly did you hear during the argument? Personally if I hear someone arguing- I'm going to watch, and listen every minute of it. (Wouldn't most of us do the same?) I also believe the MIL and, son conspriered together, and planned every detail. On the Target parking lot video--the killer is ducking down between cars waiting for Heather & Steven to make the exchange of the baby. Steven drives off immediately, and the killer IMMEDIATELY COMES out of hiding walking directly to her SUV. Hummm. I saw the video link of the MIL leaving the police station, and her walk looks like the killer leaving Target. I hope and pray the killer is caught quickly. Please keep me updated. Again-my prayers are with Heather's friends, family ,and her motherless son.(HUGS)


Very interesting points --- I wonder where the shell casings went? Is there a certain type of gun that does not eject them (I know nothing about guns) or did someone return and pick them up during the commotion that followed? I wonder how many shots were fired and from how far away.

[dgfred]

Probably a revolver that doesn't eject the shells. So somebody probably still has them or dumped them somewhere :wink: .

[Jpanda]

Bumping for Heather.

I look for any news on this case almost every day, but I haven't been able to find anything for weeks! Do any locals know anything about how this investigation is going?

Pleeeease tell me the person who took beautiful Heather away isn't going to get away with it! :cursing:

jmo

[Kip]

Bumping for Heather.

I look for any news on this case almost every day, but I haven't been able to find anything for weeks! Do any locals know anything about how this investigation is going?

Pleeeease tell me the person who took beautiful Heather away isn't going to get away with it! :cursing:

jmo

Same here -- it's disappointing that there have been no updates, but I'd rather LE take their time and develop the best case possible because they only get once chance to try the case.

[Ninja108]

If they can prove the two of them plotted it together, it won't.

I pray this will be the case. If he wasn't in on the planning, he sure as heck knows about it now. But they will need indepenent evidence to nail both of them.

[Dolores367]

Same here -- it's disappointing that there have been no updates, but I'd rather LE take their time develop the best case possible because they only get once chance to try the case.

I check for news on this daily and it is a little disappointing --- my hope is that LE is getting all of their ducks in a row before an arrest is made so they can really get some heavy charges to stick. My guess is they have enough on her, but are trying to determine whether her son was involved and how to best leverage the situation to ensure the responsible parties are adequately punished.

I am also wondering what the "benchmark" is for an arrest in cases where it is pretty clear who the perp is --- two months, 6 months, a year?

[Kip]

I check for news on this daily and it is a little disappointing --- my hope is that LE is getting all of their ducks in a row before an arrest is made so they can really get some heavy charges to stick. My guess is they have enough on her, but are trying to determine whether her son was involved and how to best leverage the situation to ensure the responsible parties are adequately punished.

I am also wondering what the "benchmark" is for an arrest in cases where it is pretty clear who the perp is --- two months, 6 months, a year?

I don't think there's any benchmark -- sometimes they know who the perp is but don't have strong enough evidence for a sure conviction. Especially in cases like this where the suspect is unlikely to kill anyone else, the only upside to an early arrest is the satisfaction that the perp has been arrested. Downsides are that once the perp has been moved from a person of interest to a suspect, all evidence has to be made available to the suspect's lawyer. Right now, the perp doesn't know how much (or little) evidence LE has. Also, while the perp is still out in the world, he/she will frequently make a mistake (checking a hiding place or dump site, etc.) or say something to someone that adds more information to the case.

It's galling as all heck that this person is still out walking around, but not nearly as galling if the case were rushed to trial and the person got off.

[Dolores367]

I don't think there's any benchmark -- sometimes they know who the perp is but don't have strong enough evidence for a sure conviction. Especially in cases like this where the suspect is unlikely to kill anyone else, the only upside to an early arrest is the satisfaction that the perp has been arrested. Downsides are that once the perp has been moved from a person of interest to a suspect, all evidence has to be made available to the suspect's lawyer. Right now, the perp doesn't know how much (or little) evidence LE has. Also, while the perp is still out in the world, he/she will frequently make a mistake (checking a hiding place or dump site, etc.) or say something to someone that adds more information to the case.

It's galling as all heck that this person is still out walking around, but not nearly as galling if the case were rushed to trial and the person got off.

Thanks for the info Kip-- this helps explain what might be going on "behind the scenes". I am hoping LE has the best resources working on this. There have been a couple of rather complex cases over the years in Gwinnett County (Barton Corbin, Hayley Hardwick) that were solved by Gwinnett detectives, so let's keep our fingers crossed that they get this one solved too. In the meantime I can only hope that she is unable to enjoy ANYTHING with the fear of being caught hanging over her head.

[GATourist]

In the meantime I can only hope that she is unable to enjoy ANYTHING with the fear of being caught hanging over her head.

Amen. Amen. Amen.

I also share the frustration of everyone who has not heard much in the news. I hope, too, that LE is able to nail them BOTH to the wall.

[KittyMom]

The GBI can do amazing things given enough time. Just ask Sue Ann Ray's family.

[Ninja108]

I imagine the reason it's taking a while is because if the husband IS involved (and I think he is as do all of you), there has to be independent evidence for collobration. Mommy dearest simply saying he was involved wouldn't be enough in a conspircy case.

[GATourist]

I imagine the reason it's taking a while is because if the husband IS involved (and I think he is as do all of you), there has to be independent evidence for collobration. Mommy dearest simply saying he was involved wouldn't be enough in a conspircy case.

I think the sense of urgency with anyone who knew Heather and knows her incredible family is the court date for Carson's custody hearing. Gotta get the goods on "Daddy Dearest" so that little boy stays right where he is.

[Kip]

I think the sense of urgency with anyone who knew Heather and knows her incredible family is the court date for Carson's custody hearing. Gotta get the goods on "Daddy Dearest" so that little boy stays right where he is.

Yes, you're absolutely right.

[Ninja108]

It's a darned if you do/don't sitation sadly. If they rush things and he's acquited... they'll be facing the nightmare all over again.

[jacksonsmom]

O- yes I hear the court date is in July. I hope the grandparents keep custody. I believe in my heart "daddy dearest" is involved. Justice will be served. Let's pray for the revealing of the killer or killer(s). I ask in the name of Jesus.

[Dolores367]

I think the sense of urgency with anyone who knew Heather and knows her incredible family is the court date for Carson's custody hearing. Gotta get the goods on "Daddy Dearest" so that little boy stays right where he is.

I can only hope the court would not give custody to someone who is so close to the "person of interest" -- especially in the absence of any other leads. Also, how would Carson's father be able to provide for him without his mother's help? Hopefully for this reason, custody will not be transferred right now. Being relatively young, I can't imagine he has the spare thousand a month to spend on daycare and would absoultely need his mother's help. I pray the courts do not do anything foolish.

[TBIBeg]

Justice for Heather.

:rose:

[AngelDad]

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&subsectionID=84&articleID=61572

[Kip]

AngelDad, so sorry that the truck didn't produce solid evidence.

I wonder where she bought the wig and moustache.

[GATourist]

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&subsectionID=84&articleID=61572

Angel Dad......we are not giving up by a long shot. Please know you, "Angel Mom" and Carson are in our thoughts and prayers each and every single day. We all loved Heather too much not to see justice done. Take care of yourself.

[GATourist]

Hi, tomorrow is the date of Carson's custody hearing. As you guys know, he's been with Heather's parents since the day Heather died. He's also spent almost his entire life in their home, with them, with Heather's friends. It would be an INCREDIBLE injustice should another decision be made. Please -- if anyone here believes in prayer of any kind --- pray for this wonderful family and this little boy.....

[Sandmannc]

prayers are with AngelMomandDad and Carson! May God bless them with all good things!
Sincerely,
the sandman

[Kip]

Hi, tomorrow is the date of Carson's custody hearing. As you guys know, he's been with Heather's parents since the day Heather died. He's also spent almost his entire life in their home, with them, with Heather's friends. It would be an INCREDIBLE injustice should another decision be made. Please -- if anyone here believes in prayer of any kind --- pray for this wonderful family and this little boy.....

Oh, my gosh...praying that t he judge will have the wisdom to see that Carson should remain with his grandparents...

[TBIBeg]

Praying for Carson to stay with his maternal grandparents and still praying for justice for Heather.

:rose:

[GATourist]

Keep the prayers coming. Custody case was continued until early August. Carson is safe for the moment. I heard Daddy Dearest was awarded a single 2 hour visit with Carson -- under the supervision of a deputy sheriff. C'mon -- what does that say??? Let's get justice done already.....

[Kip]

[snipped]... I heard Daddy Dearest was awarded a single 2 hour visit with Carson -- under the supervision of a deputy sheriff. C'mon -- what does that say??? ....

No kidding.

But I'm really glad that visit is supervised considering the many cases we've read about on these boards where unstable dads are granted unsupervised visits.

Do you know what the reason was for the continuation?

[sundropsuzi]

Where did the info come from that Steven said he and Heather weren't married? Is this a rumor? I'm just thinking that if this is true, he would have used this "not married" ammo during divorce court. Might be useful for Heather's mom and dad to use Steven's inconsistency with reality (or the necessity for mental evaluation) in custody hearing as far capacity required to parent.

[Amy]

Where did the info come from that Steven said he and Heather weren't married? Is this a rumor? I'm just thinking that if this is true, he would have used this "not married" ammo during divorce court. Might be useful for Heather's mom and dad to use Steven's inconsistency with reality (or the necessity for mental evaluation) in custody hearing as far capacity required to parent.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=353452&page=2

Starting w/post #55. There is a post that Steven Strube says they were never married. It gets confusing, as some are posting that it was his DAD who said that, and then they are talking about it was his DAD who attended the funeral--so I'm not sure which Steven Strube was the one who allegedly said there had not been a marriage--there is no link to the statement in post #55, but it "quotes" the sheriff as saying it.

There hasn't been anything else posted about it, as far as I could see. But, the fact that there was a divorce would prove that there was a marriage--and there seems to be wedding photos. So, heaven only knows where that statement came from, and why anyone (especially the ex husband or the ex fil) would even say it.

[Angeleyes14]

Steven Strube told many people he was never married to Heather; especially those who did not know Heather and her family. I think he did this because rather than looking like he was having an affair he wanted his girlfriend and her whole side of this story to think that he was never married to Heather. I'm sure at this point, all that has been discovered I would hope. As far as her Dad making the comment; that is not true. People who knew Steven in the past years (which are several) were told by Steven he was never married to Heather, that she was an ex-girlfriend he happened to have a child with.

[GATourist]

Steven Strube told many people he was never married to Heather; especially those who did not know Heather and her family. I think he did this because rather than looking like he was having an affair he wanted his girlfriend and her whole side of this story to think that he was never married to Heather. I'm sure at this point, all that has been discovered I would hope. As far as her Dad making the comment; that is not true. People who knew Steven in the past years (which are several) were told by Steven he was never married to Heather, that she was an ex-girlfriend he happened to have a child with.

That is interesting. Particularly since I was at the wedding.

Just goes to prove that Character cannot be learned.

[GATourist]

No kidding.

But I'm really glad that visit is supervised considering the many cases we've read about on these boards where unstable dads are granted unsupervised visits.

Do you know what the reason was for the continuation?

Kip, believe continuation until early August had to do with Daddy Dearest's failure to produce certain court documents (not to mention himself)..... He is now under direct court order to do so. Keep the prayers going!!

[Amy]

Steven Strube told many people he was never married to Heather; especially those who did not know Heather and her family. I think he did this because rather than looking like he was having an affair he wanted his girlfriend and her whole side of this story to think that he was never married to Heather. I'm sure at this point, all that has been discovered I would hope. As far as her Dad making the comment; that is not true. People who knew Steven in the past years (which are several) were told by Steven he was never married to Heather, that she was an ex-girlfriend he happened to have a child with.

I don't know how big Snellville GA is, but it seems kind of stooopid for him to make such statements. I guess the gal would believe what she wanted to believe, but surely they were around some of his friends who attended the wedding and knew for sure he was married. Can't account for taste, either. Wonder what kind of cock and bull story he told the gf about why the nasty ol' judge made him go thru divorce procedings even tho he wasn't married?

[Amy]

Kip, believe continuation until early August had to do with Daddy Dearest's failure to produce certain court documents (not to mention himself)..... He is now under direct court order to do so. Keep the prayers going!!

I certainly hope there is a deadline on producing certain documents and if he misses that, it is all over for him.

[Kip]

Kip, believe continuation until early August had to do with Daddy Dearest's failure to produce certain court documents (not to mention himself)..... He is now under direct court order to do so. Keep the prayers going!!

Thanks for that info, GATourist.

Geez...I hope the court recognizes that a guy who's fighting for custody of his son and can't get his act together isn't the best person to have custody of a toddler.

[Ninja108]

Alas, I wouldn't give the courts that credit. Considering how many parents from hell have been given custody of their kids, I keep hoping there will be evidence for arrests.

[Phil]

Just a note for all those people claiming them living together is a common law marriage. Georgia hasn't recognized common law marriage since Jan 1, 1997 so regardless of how long they live together unless they either lived together before 1997 (not likely considering their ages) or got the marriage certificate they aren't legally marriage. The only way this would not be true is the federal full faith and credit provision of the constitution that requires Georgia to accept marriages of another state regardless if the marriage is legal in Georgia. The only problem is that Stephen and Heather never lived in any other state than Georgia so even this wouldn't make them married. I don't know if they are telling the truth about them not having been married but I do know that common law marriage is not legal in Georgia.

[Amy]

It doesn't seem to be an issue any way, as there are folks who say they attended the wedding, and there were wedding pictures. So, regardless whether or not Steven Strube says they were married, unless they didn't have the proper licensing, or the person performing the ceremony was not qualified--they are married. At least from the information I have seen.

[GATourist]

Today marks 3 months since we lost our amazing Heather.....it seems unbelievable. Just want to ask everyone here to say a prayer for Carson and her Mom and Dad as they continue to struggle with things they never dreamed possible. Hopefully, justice is close....

[AngelDad]

Heather was a stickler for things being right. There was a marriage certificate, there was a wedding (I wrote a song to sing to her at the reception), and Heather's grandfather was the officiant (an ordained minister for 50 years). We thank you all for your prayers and concerns. The next custody hearing is August 3rd, we ask that you concentrate your prayers on an appropriate outcome for Carson, and on a swift resolution of the criminal case with adequate evidence for conviction.

Again, thank you all.

[GATourist]

Heather was a stickler for things being right. There was a marriage certificate, there was a wedding (I wrote a song to sing to her at the reception), and Heather's grandfather was the officiant (an ordained minister for 50 years). We thank you all for your prayers and concerns. The next custody hearing is August 3rd, we ask that you concentrate your prayers on an appropriate outcome for Carson, and on a swift resolution of the criminal case with adequate evidence for conviction.

Again, thank you all.

Heather was also a stickler for justice, right, AD?

All of us are hoping something is going on, particularly with the unrelated-but-coincidental incarceration of Daddy Dearest. We are praying there is more to the story than we know.

Carson is in amazing hands, and that's where he needs to stay. Stay strong.

[Sandmannc]

Yes, Angel Dad, there are many prayers and thoughts for ya'll. Stay strong and know that God will take care of everything. We'll be watching and praying for ya'll on 8/3. Thanks so much for keeping in touch with us.

[Kip]

I've been thinking/praying about this all weekend. Hoping that the judge has the wisdom to know where the best place for Carson is.

[GATourist]

Just to update everyone, Carson's custody case has gotten yet another postponement, since "certain parties" were unable to attend the court date today because of their *unfortunate* incarceration.

New date is August 26th.

Keep praying for Carson and Heather's parents. The prayers are obviously working....

[Leanne Weich]

Just to update everyone, Carson's custody case has gotten yet another postponement, since "certain parties" were unable to attend the court date today because of their *unfortunate* incarceration.

New date is August 26th.

Keep praying for Carson and Heather's parents. The prayers are obviously working....

You got it and, in fact, I put them on my church's prayer list a couple of Sundays ago.

[Amy]

Heather was also a stickler for justice, right, AD?

All of us are hoping something is going on, particularly with the unrelated-but-coincidental incarceration of Daddy Dearest. We are praying there is more to the story than we know.

Carson is in amazing hands, and that's where he needs to stay. Stay strong.

My goodness, I missed this post!!! Is he the only one incarcerated? His mom and/or dad aren't looking to take charge of Carson? Well, it's a good place for him, if it keeps Carson with Heather's family, for sure.

[Sandmannc]

Nothing stronger than prayer, u can't beat it!!

[GATourist]

My goodness, I missed this post!!! Is he the only one incarcerated? His mom and/or dad aren't looking to take charge of Carson? Well, it's a good place for him, if it keeps Carson with Heather's family, for sure.

Amy, Steven has been incarcerated (two weeks now) for some sort of violation of his probation --- he was on probation for felony theft by taking. The details of his violation aren't known to me, but nonetheless, a wise judge revoked his bail, thus rendering him a little "tied up" for this past Monday's court date.

No one else has been arrested, charged, or even named as far as I know.

The important thing is Carson is safe, happy and loved with Heather's family. He needs to stay that way.

Thanks for the prayers!

[GATourist]

Inmate 982591 is still incarcerated. I understand his birthday was last Wednesday. Maybe he got a nice present from his cellmates.

[sundropsuzi]

Posted Aug. 10 "Arrest expected in young mom's shooting".
New tip: "Police said the mother-in-law drives a white pickup truck similar to one that was seen idling in the Target shopping center where Strube was killed."

[GATourist]

Posted Aug. 10 "Arrest expected in young mom's shooting".
New tip: "Police said the mother-in-law drives a white pickup truck similar to one that was seen idling in the Target shopping center where Strube was killed."

To read the story: http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/arrest-expected-in-young-112318.html?cxtype=rss_news_81960

[Kip]

sundropsuzi and GATourist - thanks for that news. Wonderful!!! This can only help the custody case. Even though a news story like this isn't supposed to affect a judge's decision, the potential outcry if a decision was made to hand over Carson to the suspected killer's family would have to weigh in the back of the judge's mind.

Praying for Carson to be able to stay with Heather's parents - and that the GBI will be able develop evidence for a solid prosecution case.

[kelloggirl]

Posted Aug. 10 "Arrest expected in young mom's shooting".
New tip: "Police said the mother-in-law drives a white pickup truck similar to one that was seen idling in the Target shopping center where Strube was killed."

I'm so glad to hear this! I was getting a little worried.

:rose: Justice for Heather :rose:

[GATourist]

http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2009/08/arrest-close-in-snellville-mot.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-9126-Gwinnett-County-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m8d11-Police-give-update-on-Snellville-murder-case

[Jpanda]

http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2009/08/arrest-close-in-snellville-mot.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-9126-Gwinnett-County-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m8d11-Police-give-update-on-Snellville-murder-case


Thank you for posting, there is hope! I keep coming here to check on this case. I want to make SURE justice is done for beautiful Heather and her family.

The mother-in-law and (possibly) the ex-husband aren't fooling anyone.

jmo

[dgfred]

Well it seems now-a-days if you have a problem in an investigation, blame it on cuts and the economy. Funny how in the M.Jackson death the investigation is 'flying' along with something new about every day...
I guess this case is just not as high profile.

[AngelDad]

Who's he???

[dgfred]

Nobody to me, but somebody to many :rolleyes: .

[mykdsmyworld]

I have been trying to follow this story since it happened. I just found this site yesterday. Thanks to all who contribute.

To the the family and friends of Heather: May peace be with you and may justice be served. God Bless!!!:crying:

[KittyMom]

Well it seems now-a-days if you have a problem in an investigation, blame it on cuts and the economy. Funny how in the M.Jackson death the investigation is 'flying' along with something new about every day...
I guess this case is just not as high profile.

Those of us who follow crime cases have come to understand that the forensic aspect of any case is one that takes time and patience. That by no means implies a problem with the case. State labs have a minimal budget and multiple cases. They do the best they can with the resources we provide them with.

[TBIBeg]

Praying for Justice for Heather. :rose:

[KittyMom]

I have to wonder if LE is applying the screws to the perps of this crime by telling the media that an arrest is coming. Maybe giving someone time to tell their side and point a finger???

[GATourist]

Heard that Convict Strube, who is still incarcerated, will get a new hearing on his violations on 9-1. Not sure how that affects Carson's custody hearing on 8-26, though. Let's hope he continues to make new and lasting friendships with his inmate buddies for a long time to come.

[KittyMom]

Heard that Convict Strube, who is still incarcerated, will get a new hearing on his violations on 9-1. Not sure how that affects Carson's custody hearing on 8-26, though. Let's hope he continues to make new and lasting friendships with his inmate buddies for a long time to come.

I pray he gets bored and chatty. Let him spill anything he knows to his inmate buddies. I do wonder if his mother visits him at the jail. Those conversations would be interesting I'm sure. And possibly taped.

[GATourist]

Four months tomorrow, 8-26. Hey, Heather! We love you! And we're taking care of business down here, even though it may take longer than we'd like. Carson is doing great.....you would be so proud. We miss you so much...

Carson custody prelim hearing on Friday. Let justice be done.

[GATourist]

Last night, apparently, Steven's mother ID'd as prime suspect in Heather's case.

Read and see it here:

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Prime_Suspect_Named_in_Target_Shooting_082809

Amen. And is it just coincidence that Hayes was named the prime suspect on the very day of Carson's custody hearing?

[Kip]

Last night, apparently, Steven's mother ID'd as prime suspect in Heather's case.

Read and see it here:

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Prime_Suspect_Named_in_Target_Shooting_082809

Amen. And is it just coincidence that Hayes was named the prime suspect on the very day of Carson's custody hearing?

I don't think it's a coincidence. LE can't prove it yet, but they know who did it. A well-timed announcement.

On the one hand, you have a dad who didn't bother to attend the first custody hearing and who is now in jail, and a grandmother who's the prime suspect in a murder investigation, and, on the other hand, you've got a fine, upstanding family. There's only one way the judge can decide.

[KittyMom]

I would think that if Steven is smart and not involved, he'll tell LE everything he may know about where his mother was during that time.

[GATourist]

Steven has a hearing on his probation violation this coming week, on
9-1. Still don't have any info on what that violation may have been, but it seems to me that LE doesn't keep someone incarcerated for 2 months for failing a breatholizer.....

Also great news...... Heather's family has retained custody of Carson until such time a full-blown custody trial can occur. With all the things going on on Steven's side of the family (oh yeah.... his stepfather was also recently arrested, too) we can pray that getting ready for a custody trial is not high on their list of priorities.

Amen!!

[Leanne Weich]

Steven has a hearing on his probation violation this coming week, on
9-1. Still don't have any info on what that violation may have been, but it seems to me that LE doesn't keep someone incarcerated for 2 months for failing a breatholizer.....

Also great news...... Heather's family has retained custody of Carson until such time a full-blown custody trial can occur. With all the things going on on Steven's side of the family (oh yeah.... his stepfather was also recently arrested, too) we can pray that getting ready for a custody trial is not high on their list of priorities.

Amen!!

Evenif it is, it would seem that Heather's family will probably have no difficulty in proving they're the family who should be entrusted with the care and upbringing of Carson, imo.

[GATourist]

In case anyone missed this BS:

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/20606486/index.html

(Have any of you not been to a Target in 5 years???)

[Kip]

In case anyone missed this BS:

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/20606486/index.html

(Have any of you not been to a Target in 5 years???)

LOL. Not me! (I go at every couple of months or so and I'm not a big shopper.) I wonder if lookiing at her credit card receipts would prove her wrong.

Two things struck me about the video of her. First, the covering of her eyes indicates shame or deception. Second, when ask questions, at least a couple of times she looked up and to the left (our left when looking at her). If she's right-handed, this tends to indicate she is constructing images. (For example, if asked to imagine themselves going up into space, most people look up and to your left as they construct the image in their minds. When asked to recall an actual memory, most people look up and to your right.)

[GATourist]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Murder_Victims_Estranged_Husband_Jailed_090109

Surely something will happen in 120 days!!!

And how about that *subtle* point that Heather's parents provide a more suitable home for Carson than....wait... (1) a prime suspect in a murder; (2) an incarcerated father; (3) a grandfather who wants nothing to do with the family; (4) a girlfriend and her posse who are living with mama; (5) a step-grandfather who was arrested upon his appearance in his custody hearing last week.

C'mon, Most Honorable in Newton County. Why are we wasting the tax payers' money?

Let's put Heather's killer to justice NOW and let the Allens go on about raising Heather's son in the same wonderful way they raised his mom.

[KittyMom]

LOL. Not me! (I go at every couple of months or so and I'm not a big shopper.) I wonder if lookiing at her credit card receipts would prove her wrong.

Two things struck me about the video of her. First, the covering of her eyes indicates shame or deception. Second, when ask questions, at least a couple of times she looked up and to the left (our left when looking at her). If she's right-handed, this tends to indicate she is constructing images. (For example, if asked to imagine themselves going up into space, most people look up and to your left as they construct the image in their minds. When asked to recall an actual memory, most people look up and to your right.)

Might I add

Not one real tear did I see fall. This was all about her. I'll bet LE asked for the entire tape and have been pouring over it. She's stupid to go on camera and say anything. It can (and will) be used against her. :thumbup:

[KittyMom]

As for how often folks go to Target...well, the closest one to me is an hour and a half away. I go a few times a year. We've got Walmart and Kmart here. Don't need Target. :thumbup:

[aproudmom]

Last night, apparently, Steven's mother ID'd as prime suspect in Heather's case.

Read and see it here:

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Prime_Suspect_Named_in_Target_Shooting_082809

Amen. And is it just coincidence that Hayes was named the prime suspect on the very day of Carson's custody hearing?

omg I have wondered if they had any new information I am so glad I checked the thread...

[aproudmom]

How sad someone would do this over a divorce and custody I am guessing and in front of their own Grandchild how sick is that...:angry:

[aproudmom]

In case anyone missed this BS:

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/20606486/index.html

(Have any of you not been to a Target in 5 years???)

nope not me walmart or Kmart

that TJ Ward is the same one in the middle of the Haleigh Cumming case he just did a voice anls. on the step-mom...but she failed he also worked on the Natalie H case with TES

[GATourist]

nope not me walmart or Kmart

that TJ Ward is the same one in the middle of the Haleigh Cumming case he just did a voice anls. on the step-mom...but she failed he also worked on the Natalie H case with TES

Wow, I knew I knew that name....Thanks APM. The new "trendy" tool for proving guilt or innocence that doesn't prove anything, IMO.

I am just glad the case is getting attention again. This from the AJC today:

http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/mother-129707.html

Of course, I am also so relieved that Carson is with his grandparents. Heather is watching over everything, I am convinced.

[Ninja108]

Why on earth is the media announcing an arrest is forthcoming? The police can watch Heather's monster in law all day long (and I'm sure they have) but she's still a suspect only. They can't prevent her from leaving town and if I knew an arrest was forthcoming I'd be packing my bags and hitting the road.

[GATourist]

I have no idea why this is hitting me now, but it is. That interview with the MIL from HELL nearly two weeks ago. Those of us who knew Heather and also had the (dis) pleasure of knowing Steven and his family know the truth.....and the truth is NOT what came out of Joanna Hayes' mouth, not by a long shot. She supported HEATHER during the divorce from Steven????? She sure had a funny way of showing it (which I won't go into here, but trust me, she did).

I'm hoping that LE used the media to put some heat on and now they're sitting back to let things simmer a bit.

Carson will soon be two and I know he's happy and safe. And Heather knows that, too.

[KittyMom]

May justice come for Heather and Carson. :rose:

[suki]

The MIL . . . if this is so and in front of the grandchild:huh: I hope whoever did this gets the full wrath of the law. How cold-bloodied and hateful this person must be.

[Ninja108]

I just hope they make an arrest soon. In other cases,when the heat's been on, and espcially when the media/police announce an arrest is forthcoming... the perp(s) hightail it out of town.
As of know, I think the Monster in Law did it too..but that's still not enough for cops to forbid her from leaving town.

[GATourist]

Anyone with any interest can find his locked-up face here:

http://24.159.166.66:9000/InmateInformation/searchbyname.jsp?pagenum=0

(search his last name, "strube")


Really wanted to talk to Heather this morning. I have a story that only she and I would find hilarious.

Praying that the end is drawing near.......

[Amy]

Anyone with any interest can find his locked-up face here:

http://24.159.166.66:9000/InmateInformation/searchbyname.jsp?pagenum=0

(search his last name, "strube")


Really wanted to talk to Heather this morning. I have a story that only she and I would find hilarious.

Praying that the end is drawing near.......

Thanks for the link.

Release date seems to be 11/1/09. That's coming up pretty soon.

[KittyMom]

Anyone with any interest can find his locked-up face here:

http://24.159.166.66:9000/InmateInformation/searchbyname.jsp?pagenum=0

(search his last name, "strube")


Really wanted to talk to Heather this morning. I have a story that only she and I would find hilarious.

Praying that the end is drawing near.......

Let's hope we find a Strube female on that list soon.

[GATourist]

Has anyone out there heard any more updates on Heather's case? It seemed like there was a flurry of activity about 2 weeks ago (and I know I got my hopes up) but then nothing. Is there anything out there that can be shared?

Certainly Heather's murder is just - if not more - as tragic as the other horrible high-profile cases as of late. Is there anything we can do, or should we just keep the faith?

Angel Dad??

[Ninja108]

Has anyone out there heard any more updates on Heather's case? It seemed like there was a flurry of activity about 2 weeks ago (and I know I got my hopes up) but then nothing. Is there anything out there that can be shared?

Certainly Heather's murder is just - if not more - as tragic as the other horrible high-profile cases as of late. Is there anything we can do, or should we just keep the faith?

Angel Dad??

IMO, I think the media got a friendly nudge from the police to shut up.
You can have police officers tail a person of interest all day long(like with the killer at Yale) but you can't stop them from leaving town if they feel like it. Newspaper articles blaring arrest is immenient basically gives a perp a message... it's time to pack my bags and leave town. I've seen enough stories where perps have fled when the heat was on them.

[Angelo]

I have been following this case. So sad. I hope there is an arrest so.

[KittyMom]

http://www.examiner.com/x-24647-Gwinnett-County-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d23-Unsolved-Gwinnett-murder-cases

Another look: 3 unsolved Gwinnett murder cases
September 23, 3:02 PM

[GATourist]

http://www.examiner.com/x-24647-Gwinnett-County-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d23-Unsolved-Gwinnett-murder-cases

Another look: 3 unsolved Gwinnett murder cases
September 23, 3:02 PM

Thanks for posting, KM. Darla Dixon has been pretty diligent in trying to keep Heather's case in the news as best she can. 5 months just passed. I continue to hope that whoever is responsible for changing so many lives by taking Heather away from us is in constant fear of the hammer falling every fricking time she leaves her house....

[AngelDad]

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/21254909/index.html

[Leanne Weich]

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/21254909/index.html

What's up with the semi smirk on his face during the interview? I must admit that this is one of those interviews I come away from with no strong feeling either way.

[GATourist]

"The Dark Side"..... LOL. God Bless You, Heather.....

Knowing Steven as long as I have, I find it very hard to buy his story. He may be an even worse liar than Mommy In-Law Dearest.

God willing, he'll see Carson again when that little boy is old enough to tell him to go to hell.

[KittyMom]

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/21254909/index.html

I'm no body language expert, but I did notice two things. He shock his head no when giving an affirmative answer and he shrugged his shoulders. IIRC, both of these are signs of deception.

Interesting that he's going public with an interview. Wonder if this is his way of apologizing to his mother for ratting her out?

[Dolores367]

There is a woman who has a website called Eyes For Lies -- she is a "natural" lie detector. I would love to ask her to view both interviews and weigh in. Her website is www.eyesforlies.com. She has been correct in evaluating many high profile cases.

[GATourist]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/21363600/detail.html

Let's get this psycho off the streets and see what Steven had to do with it.

We got her, Heather.

[Amy]

Good deal.

[Kip]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/21363600/detail.html

Let's get this psycho off the streets and see what Steven had to do with it.

We got her, Heather.

Thanks for the news, GATourist. Praying that the DA has his ducks in a row on this case. And, I agree, it will be interesting to see if any info comes out about Steven's involvement.

[Leanne Weich]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/21363600/detail.html

Let's get this psycho off the streets and see what Steven had to do with it.

We got her, Heather.

About damn time too. Hopefully this will frighten her enough that she'll try for a plea and the whole story will come out.

[GATourist]

Buddy and Mary on the news tonight. Two of the strongest people I've ever known.... I'm not sure I could be so steadfast in their obvious trust in God and commitment to Carson.

Let the other shoe drop quickly. Please pray for peace for this wonderful family.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Arrest_Made_in_Target_Shooting_Case_102109

[Kip]

Buddy and Mary on the news tonight. Two of the strongest people I've ever known.... I'm not sure I could be so steadfast in their obvious trust in God and commitment to Carson.

Let the other shoe drop quickly. Please pray for peace for this wonderful family.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Arrest_Made_in_Target_Shooting_Case_102109

Thank goodness Carson has such wonderful grandparents to care for him.

[lovemylife83]

See here.... http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/mother-in-law-charged-168803.html?cxtype=rss_news_128746#story-continued

So sad, but glad the family can have closure.

RIP Heather!

[dref99]

Buddy and Mary on the news tonight. Two of the strongest people I've ever known.... I'm not sure I could be so steadfast in their obvious trust in God and commitment to Carson.

Let the other shoe drop quickly. Please pray for peace for this wonderful family.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Arrest_Made_in_Target_Shooting_Case_102109

It seems LE was waiting to put all the pieces together - killing the mother of your grandchild - so hard to believe.

Thankyou for your updates

jmo

[TBIBeg]

I was glad to see in my Google Alerts this monring that the MIL had finally been arrested.


Justice for Heather.


:rose:

[GATourist]

Who really cares at this point? Stop crying, Steven, and be a man... own up to the bad husband and father you are. Let's see..... stable, loving grandparents vs. lying, convict father (whose mother killed his baby's mom)....... where would any respectable judge allow Carson to be raised?

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/21396777/index.html

[Ninja108]

I hope she pleads guilty and spares Heather's family the pain of a trial.

[Amy]

Who really cares at this point? Stop crying, Steven, and be a man... own up to the bad husband and father you are. Let's see..... stable, loving grandparents vs. lying, convict father (whose mother killed his baby's mom)....... where would any respectable judge allow Carson to be raised?

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/21396777/index.html

Steven says "IF" he had information to help his mother, he would provide it. I guess that means he doesn't have any info that would help her?

And, his attorney says, there was no motive relating to the custody case, because they took several months, but that they had signed an agreement. Just because they signed an agreement, doesn't mean that both or either were entirely HAPPY with the agreement. And, I don't think the attorney is thinking too clearly--the agreement would be between Heather and Steven, his mother is not part of any agreement, she is a grandparent, not a parent. So, just because Heather and Steven signed an agreement does not mean that HIS MOTHER agreed with it or was happy with it @ all. IMO

[Kip]

The reason I suspect Steven is involved is that universe of people who could have killed Heather is very small. Whoever did it knew the precise time and exact location of the meeting. I can't imagine either Steven or Heather telling many people about it - especially the details. For example, if a friend of Steven's asked him to do something that afternoon, he might have said something like "I can't do it until after 2 when Carson goes back to Heather." Or even "I'm meeting Heather at 2 at Target to given Carson back to her; I can do it after that." I don't think it would be very likely to say "I'm meeting Heather at 2 at the east side of the Target parking lot next to..."

Heather could have told someone (but unlikely to give a precise location), but I'm assuming her friends and family have no motive.

I wonder if Joanna had ever gone with Steven before to meet Heather at that location.

[Amy]

The reason I suspect Steven is involved is that universe of people who could have killed Heather is very small. Whoever did it knew the precise time and exact location of the meeting. I can't imagine either Steven or Heather telling many people about it - especially the details. For example, if a friend of Steven's asked him to do something that afternoon, he might have said something like "I can't do it until after 2 when Carson goes back to Heather." Or even "I'm meeting Heather at 2 at Target to given Carson back to her; I can do it after that." I don't think it would be very likely to say "I'm meeting Heather at 2 at the east side of the Target parking lot next to..."

Heather could have told someone (but unlikely to give a precise location), but I'm assuming her friends and family have no motive.

I wonder if Joanna had ever gone with Steven before to meet Heather at that location.

From all that I have read, she didn't go with Steven this time, either. If I understand it correctly, Steven had left Carson off, and had left when the murderer approached. Her vehicle was found parked in another area of the lot? So they were in different vehicles.

[GATourist]

http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/child-of-woman-killed-170221.html?cxtype=rss_news_128746


I have seen the sick amount of influence Mommy Dearest has upon Bad Dad --- at times a lot of us have wondered if he would go to the bathroom without her consent.

So finish throwing up and stop your head from spinning and tell the truth, Strube. You weren't there for Heather, you weren't thinking about Carson when you made those selfish choices that hurt them both..... Tell the truth and at least give your son an opportunity to grow up in a safe, loving, STABLE, happy home.

Prayers out for the Allens. Carson is so lucky to have had Heather as a mom, and you both for grandparents.

[GATourist]

BTW.....does anyone know who Mommy Dearest's stylist is?

http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/mother-in-law-charged-168803.html

[Dolores367]

BTW.....does anyone know who Mommy Dearest's stylist is?

http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/mother-in-law-charged-168803.html

She looked better in the moustache and wig.........

[GATourist]

She looked better in the moustache and wig.........

OTFLMAO!! Now THAT is funny!! Good one, Delores!

[Kip]

She looked better in the moustache and wig.........

Hilarious! (and true).

[GATourist]

So it's been a few weeks since Esmerelda was thrown in the slammer and I'm curious....

Does anyone know what now? Is a trial date automatically put on the county calendar? How can we find out what's going on?

And even more disturbing.....

It seems as though the perfect father is no longer in the Newton County inmate database?????

Help??

[TBIBeg]

So it's been a few weeks since Esmerelda was thrown in the slammer and I'm curious....

Does anyone know what now? Is a trial date automatically put on the county calendar? How can we find out what's going on?

And even more disturbing.....

It seems as though the perfect father is no longer in the Newton County inmate database?????

Help??

maybe he flipped on mommy dearest? I would think she would have to be indicted. i don't know if that has happened yet?