Thursday , May 14

[Lovethechild]

Good morning all! Hope we find out more about Haleigh.

[panache]

Thanks for the new page love!

Here's some interesting reading from Art to start off the day, thanks to marinemom who found the story.

Looks like Art is covering the case intently, whoever said he hasn't for awhile is wrong.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/exclusive-drug-dealer-haleigh-cummings-help/

[panache]

Art Harris cites as his informant Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff 's Dept.

Well to verify if this was legit, I did a search, and lo and behold look whose name turns up at the bottom of the directory.

I would have to conclude that Lt. Greenwood has no problem being identified publically as AH's source.

http://www.pcso.us/phone-directory


moo

[Texas48]

Good morning all thanks for the thread love, thanks for the links panache will read now and BRB.......OT thak God they recovered the little girl in Texas!!

Prayers for your safe return little Haleigh!!good morning X..Your prayers WILL help and with everyone else praying for Haleigh then I am convinced of her safe return. There is POWER in prayer and I am one that has expierenced it as I am sure many many more here and everywhere can say the same. there were so many good discussions here yesterday and even last night. I was so happy to see that all of us COULD/and will get along from here on out. If we could all just take a step back and think before we leap.....its hard at times and I can say that with FACT..I fall from time to time and then get more upset with myself more than anyone else. We are here because their is a little girl LOST and needs to come home. ........................I watched the news last night when the baby girl was kidnapped right in her front yard....all I could think of was WHY..WHEN will there be a time when OUR children will be safe...I always watch the news first thing in am and there is was...FINALLY..some good news about this little girl. NOW..we need Haleigh. Want to say Good Morning to each and everyone here this am..:wub:for all.

[panache]

What's Ron waiting for? Does he want his daughter found or not? The *pow wow* has yet to occur between Ron and LE. Geesh, I'd be at the sheriff's dept. sitting on his door step with my lunch packed to clear up the loose ends. I'm beginning to think its not Misty delaying the inevitable but the man, himself Ron. This is disgraceful.

moo

[Peaches]

good morning X..Your prayers WILL help and with everyone else praying for Haleigh then I am convinced of her safe return. There is POWER in prayer and I am one that has expierenced it as I am sure many many more here and everywhere can say the same. there were so many good discussions here yesterday and even last night. I was so happy to see that all of us COULD/and will get along from here on out. If we could all just take a step back and think before we leap.....its hard at times and I can say that with FACT..I fall from time to time and then get more upset with myself more than anyone else. We are here because their is a little girl LOST and needs to come home. ........................I watched the news last night when the baby girl was kidnapped right in her front yard....all I could think of was WHY..WHEN will there be a time when OUR children will be safe...I always watch the news first thing in am and there is was...FINALLY..some good news about this little girl. NOW..we need Haleigh. Want to say Good Morning to each and everyone here this am..:wub:for all.


What a great post this am. Thank you Texas! ITA.


O/T
While watching NG, I saw the picture of this child and heard that this man had ran passed other kids to get to this little girl. He also knocked down her 12 year old sister who tried to rescue her sister. What a criminal. I hope they do something to this jerk!!!! Not just a slap on the hands! Last night, FA posted that she had been found alive! Finally............good news! One child had been found.

[Scampi]

What's Ron waiting for? Does he want his daughter found or not? The *pow wow* has yet to occur between Ron and LE. Geesh, I'd be at the sheriff's dept. sitting on his door step with my lunch packed to clear up the loose ends. I'm beginning to think its not Misty delaying the inevitable but the man, himself Ron. This is disgraceful.

moo

Always a very disturbing sign when parents care more about protecting themselves, then actually assisting the police in the search for their missing daugher, imo.

[titanfan217]

What's Ron waiting for? Does he want his daughter found or not? The *pow wow* has yet to occur between Ron and LE. Geesh, I'd be at the sheriff's dept. sitting on his door step with my lunch packed to clear up the loose ends. I'm beginning to think its not Misty delaying the inevitable but the man, himself Ron. This is disgraceful.

moo

Or was that attorney talk to avoid being on a TV show... too busy.

[Owlface]

What's Ron waiting for? Does he want his daughter found or not? The *pow wow* has yet to occur between Ron and LE. Geesh, I'd be at the sheriff's dept. sitting on his door step with my lunch packed to clear up the loose ends. I'm beginning to think its not Misty delaying the inevitable but the man, himself Ron. This is disgraceful.

moo

Ron's behavior makes perfect sense if one believes, as I do, that he is responsible for the (accidental) death of Haleigh.

[panache]

Ron's behavior makes perfect sense if one believes, as I do, that he is responsible for the (accidental) death of Haleigh.

If it was an accident all the more reason for him to come clean. Hiding that will only make it worse for him in the end. Where did he hide his daughter if it was an accident? And for that matter, why hide her? Doesn't he want her remains to be properly taken care of?

moo

[Owlface]

If it was an accident all the more reason for him to come clean. Hiding that will only make it worse for him in the end. Where did he hide his daughter if it was an accident? And for that matter, why hide her? Doesn't he want her remains to be properly taken care of?

moo

Those are good questions. Not admitting what he did was his initial reaction which is predictable because he has a pattern of not taking responsibility for any of his actions compounded by he doesn't seem to be held accountable for his actions (so many arrests but no convictions).

As far as where he hid her body - from the description of where his home was it sounds like there were many places to hide the body.

I also believe that this is what law enforcement believes, too, hence calling off outside searches. They don't want anybody interfering with evidence.

[Peaches]

Texas, if you fall we will catch you :laugh:

That story was terrifying, and being right there on the Mexican border makes me think he wanted the baby so he could sell her. Children are being stolen and sold all over this country, it's more than frightening. One of the mmost effective things we can do as a group is to keep these children's faces, starting with little Haleigh, in the news, circulating in emails, a constant reminder that this atrocity is happening in our country every single day. And we need stricter, far stricter rules for pedophiles......maybe GITMO? Just a thought.

My prayers got the the Big Guy for bringing little Lesley Perez home safe to her family, and hoping Haleigh will not be far behind.


Yes............by all means, stricter laws..........anyone who hurts a child needs to be punished severely! jmoo

We know THE BIG GUY will not forget what we do to His little ones. moo

[Peaches]

IF HE IS GUILTY does the term "ugly coping" sound familiar to you? I thought it would, it is a familiar term to most of us these days.

Denial comes to mind, fear comes to mind, IF HE IS GUILTY he may be preparing himself for the confession, either to implicate himself or someone he knows/loves. IF HE KNOWS that Haleigh is dead, waiting can hardly make it any worse for him legally, but I would imagine that he is torturing himself every day.



MOO is that "ugly coping" is a crock!

Until...............and I hope that I am right.............it is proven to me that I am wrong.................I will believe that Ron did nothing to hurt his daughter, Haleigh! jmo

BTW........it is time for everyone to tell all they know to LE..........even if they think it means nothing.

Haleigh deserves to be found...........hopefully alive!

Prayers............for Haleigh and all those who love her.

moo

[carlybarly]

I agree, if my child was missing, you wouldn't be able to keep me away from the police station until she was found, or away from whoever was investigating it. I don't think he did anything to her, I hope I'm not wrong, but his behavior makes no sense and it isn't helping at all if he isn't going in and talking to the LE when they want him to or hell just for an update!

[dustyk]

What's Ron waiting for? Does he want his daughter found or not? The *pow wow* has yet to occur between Ron and LE. Geesh, I'd be at the sheriff's dept. sitting on his door step with my lunch packed to clear up the loose ends. I'm beginning to think its not Misty delaying the inevitable but the man, himself Ron. This is disgraceful.

moo
Can't open the AH site here at work...what does it say?

[panache]

IF HE IS GUILTY does the term "ugly coping" sound familiar to you? I thought it would, it is a familiar term to most of us these days.

Denial comes to mind, fear comes to mind, IF HE IS GUILTY he may be preparing himself for the confession, either to implicate himself or someone he knows/loves. IF HE KNOWS that Haleigh is dead, waiting can hardly make it any worse for him legally, but I would imagine that he is torturing himself every day.

So are you condoning Ron's silence because legally it doesn't make it *worse* for him in the end? I beg to differ, the longer he delays, the penalties will be harsher. Had he been a man, and spoke the truth up front, if it actually was accidentel, he may have gained some sympathy. Now, he has become to many, an inferior human being, in the ranks right up there with the SP's and others who hid behind their
mom's skirts.

moo

[?noanswer]

It is mostly about the guy that was arrested for drugs, JW. He lists the info that is on this site. http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753945&IMG=51200 It also tells how he, NN, & AB relate to each other. Says KP went to visit JW & how she is trying to help NN get her life back. He does mention that RC & his atty. are scheduled to meet with LE. JMO

[Owlface]

So are you condoning Ron's silence because legally it doesn't make it *worse* for him in the end? I beg to differ, the longer he delays, the penalties will be harsher. Had he been a man, and spoke the truth up front, if it actually was accidentel, he may have gained some sympathy. Now, he has become to many, an inferior human being, in the ranks right up there with the SP's and others who hid behind their
mom's skirts.

moo

The reality is there is no LEGAL down side to waiting it out and hoping her body is never found. There is no additional criminal charge that he could face which is contingent on the amount of time it takes for her body to be found.

[Mel]

What's Ron waiting for? Does he want his daughter found or not? The *pow wow* has yet to occur between Ron and LE. Geesh, I'd be at the sheriff's dept. sitting on his door step with my lunch packed to clear up the loose ends. I'm beginning to think its not Misty delaying the inevitable but the man, himself Ron. This is disgraceful.

moo

thanks for the links panache!

i can't imagine anyone not going directly to LE, when asked for a "pow-wow", regarding their own missing child!!!...disgraceful IS the word:glare:

[Peaches]

I agree, if my child was missing, you wouldn't be able to keep me away from the police station until she was found, or away from whoever was investigating it. I don't think he did anything to her, I hope I'm not wrong, but his behavior makes no sense and it isn't helping at all if he isn't going in and talking to the LE when they want him to or hell just for an update!


Carly, I have missed that article where Ron will not go to talk with LE. Do you know where to find it?

Also, I am with you, I just can not make myself believe that Ron did anything to Haleigh. I pray that I am right about this.

It would be hard for me not to look for my child if she were missing. I do know that I would hire a PI myself to help locate my child...........or I think that is what I would do. I realize that we do not really know what we would do unless faced with the situation.

At a very stressful time in my life, I could not even remember my phone number or address when asked.............so I do know that when you are under a great deal of stress, life is not the same.

All jmoo

[Mel]

The reality is there is no LEGAL down side to waiting it out and hoping her body is never found. There is no additional criminal charge that he could face which is contingent on the amount of time it takes for her body to be found.

you're right, but when the information comes out during trial, it won't come across very good in the eyes of jurors..

[Peaches]

Great post, Texas48.

Good morning to all:seeya:



Good Morning, Lizziegirl! Maybe today will be the day Haleigh is found!

[Mimi428]

Ron's behavior makes perfect sense if one believes, as I do, that he is responsible for the (accidental) death of Haleigh.

ITA. I cannot think of a valid reason for Ron to delay or deny an interview with the LE personnel investigating Haleigh's disappearance. I think when we saw him in the video clip rising up off the ground & heard him say "I'm done" - he WAS 'done'. Done mourning his loss, time to move on.

JMO

[?noanswer]

Carly, I have missed that article where Ron will not go to talk with LE. Do you know where to find it?

Also, I am with you, I just can not make myself believe that Ron did anything to Haleigh. I pray that I am right about this.

It would be hard for me not to look for my child if she were missing. I do know that I would hire a PI myself to help locate my child...........or I think that is what I would do. I realize that we do not really know what we would do unless faced with the situation.

At a very stressful time in my life, I could not even remember my phone number or address when asked.............so I do know that when you are under a great deal of stress, life is not the same.

All jmoo

This is the only thing I have seen recently in re Ron talking to LE.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/exclusive-drug-dealer-haleigh-cummings-help/#more-1820
"Ronald, has been asked to return for another police interview with his attorney, Greg Kimball, “to clear up a few things, minor stuff,” a task force member tells me. But that pow-wow has yet to occur."


JMO

[diamond]

panache I am not condoning, I am simply trying to understand how Ron might be seeing/dealing with the situation from what I have learned about him.

What have you learned about him?

Serious question. I have tried to see something more in RC other than how he presented himself in his interviews and I just cannot see it.

[panache]

panache I am not condoning, I am simply trying to understand how Ron might be seeing/dealing with the situation from what I have learned about him.

That's the problem I have with him. He doesn't appear to be *dealing* with it. It seems, IMO, he has dismissed it (Haleigh" disappearance) from his life. I think the fact that he doesn't attempt to publicize Haleigh's disappearance in the media like other parents of missing children do, even 10 and 20 years later, shows me he wants the public to forget Haleigh ever existed.

moo

[Mel]

What have you learned about him?

Serious question. I have tried to see something more in RC other than how he presented himself in his interviews and I just cannot see it.

morning, diamond!

i was going to ask the very same question...i don't know what more can be learned about RC, other than what we've seen during his interviews.

[Peaches]

This is the only thing I have seen recently in re Ron talking to LE.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/exclusive-drug-dealer-haleigh-cummings-help/#more-1820
"Ronald, has been asked to return for another police interview with his attorney, Greg Kimball, “to clear up a few things, minor stuff,” a task force member tells me. But that pow-wow has yet to occur."


JMO


Thank you, answer!

[panache]

A wife who loses a husband is called a widow. A husband who loses a wife is called a widower. A child who loses his parents is called an orphan. But...there is no word for a parent who loses a child, that's how awful the loss is! - Neugeboren 1976, 154


What I wouldn't do to see Ron express what Neugeboren states.

moo

[diamond]

morning, diamond!

i was going to ask the very same question...i don't know what more can be learned about RC, other than what we've seen during his interviews.

Good Morning Mel,

I think what we saw during his interviews is pretty much it for him.

Maybe X will clue us in on what she knows about him so we can better understand.

[Mimi428]

Thanks for the new page love!

Here's some interesting reading from Art to start off the day, thanks to marinemom who found the story.

Looks like Art is covering the case intently, whoever said he hasn't for awhile is wrong.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/exclusive-drug-dealer-haleigh-cummings-help/


Thanks for that link. Much appreciated.

First interesting thing I saw was the report that Amber had said that Ron's name is on the birth certificate for her baby son.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/exclusive-drug-dealer-haleigh-cummings-help/#more-1820

“Yep, Ronald’s name is on the birth certificate,” she told me last week after bonding out courtesy of Chuck’s Bail Bonds.

Imagine that.

[?noanswer]

http://findhaleighnow.com/

Banner "Just added... A message from Haleigh's dad, Ronald Cummings! Click below to see the video."


JMO

[Mimi428]

http://findhaleighnow.com/

Banner "Just added... A message from Haleigh's dad, Ronald Cummings! Click below to see the video."


JMO

Thanks for posting that link. I cannot watch that video today, I sure hope someone who can will be kind enough to give us a recap.

[Mel]

http://findhaleighnow.com/

Banner "Just added... A message from Haleigh's dad, Ronald Cummings! Click below to see the video."


JMO

he needs to be sitting down with LE, tying up loose ends with LE, as per their request, instead of this video...JMO

[carlybarly]

This is the only thing I have seen recently in re Ron talking to LE.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/exclusive-drug-dealer-haleigh-cummings-help/#more-1820
"Ronald, has been asked to return for another police interview with his attorney, Greg Kimball, “to clear up a few things, minor stuff,” a task force member tells me. But that pow-wow has yet to occur."


JMO

Thanks! That is what I'm talking about. I remember hearing he couldn't go on a talk show because of a pow wow with the LE but it seems he has yet to do that. THAT I cannot understand.

Oh I just saw your last post, have to go see the video.

[panache]

http://findhaleighnow.com/

Banner "Just added... A message from Haleigh's dad, Ronald Cummings! Click below to see the video."


JMO

It appears the long pause is he forgot part of the script. How sad. Should have used a teleprompter.

moo

[?noanswer]

Thanks for posting that link. I cannot watch that video today, I sure hope someone who can will be kind enough to give us a recap.


His attorney says how long Haleigh has been missing and how LE is looking for her. RC thanks everyone for all they have done. Wants everyone to keep calling in tips. At end he says something like Haleigh if your watching I love you and we're still looking. JMO

[Mel]

Thanks for posting that link. I cannot watch that video today, I sure hope someone who can will be kind enough to give us a recap.

not much to give, Mimi....he wanted to thank the people that have called in tips & have searched for Haleigh...he said if Haleigh's out there & is watching, Baby, I love you, etc....

he acted like he was going to break down & cry also, during one spot...hesitated speaking for a few seconds..personally, i think he's a bad actor....again, JMO

[Mel]

It appears the long pause is he forgot part of the script. How sad. Should have used a teleprompter.

moo

maybe that was it....i thought he looked like he was trying to drum up some tears, but couldn't...

[Mimi428]

panache I am not condoning, I am simply trying to understand how Ron might be seeing/dealing with the situation from what I have learned about him.

Can you expand on what you mean by "what I have learned about him"? I'm thinking it must be radically different than anything I believe I have learned about him. It sure didn't impress me in any positive way to learn that he is not truthful about his life & his activities, even when those activities were on or about the day/night Haleigh disappeared.

I'm referring to the whole school bus stop storyline, where the bus driver & everyone else states Misty picked up Haleigh, yet Ron says he did.

That's the only thing I'll list for right now - there are more things, but I'm starting around the beginning of the timeline, since I believe that is a key element to figuring out how/why Haleigh disappeared.

JMO

[panache]

maybe that was it....i thought he looked like he was trying to drum up some tears, but couldn't...

I'd like to know where he is searching. What a pathetic performance. His atty. didn't even attempt to edit out his long pause. See drug use does effect your memory, Ron forgot what he was supposed to say.

moo

[diamond]

maybe that was it....i thought he looked like he was trying to drum up some tears, but couldn't...

I thought so, too.
Why do a video if he is not going to say anything. I want to hear WHAT he is doing to find Haleigh. All he did is thank people for tips. Tips that are not even coming in as much as before.

[Mimi428]

Thanks! That is what I'm talking about. I remember hearing he couldn't go on a talk show because of a pow wow with the LE but it seems he has yet to do that. THAT I cannot understand.



I know! That was WEEKS ago when it was reported that going on the show was kiboshed because LE had requested he come in for an interview.

What the H#LL is holding him up? (rhetorical question, not directed at you)

[calamitygirl]

It appears the long pause is he forgot part of the script. How sad. Should have used a teleprompter.

moo

Thats the point. He can't win with some no matter what. And I haven't even seen the video yet.

Not speaking for others, but we all heard this:
Innocent until proven guilty.

And some, without proof, just actions/inactions, say he is guilty as sin.
jmo

[diamond]

I'd like to know where he is searching. What a pathetic performance. His atty. didn't even attempt to edit out his long pause. See drug use does effect your memory, Ron forgot what he was supposed to say.

moo

At least he didn't fall down on the ground and do a rerun of that performance.

[dustyk]

At least he didn't fall down on the ground and do a rerun of that performance.
Looked like he was extremely nervous and that scares me. When he went to court for custody he sure sounded a lot more arrogant than he did on that video. As soon as he mentioned Haleigh's name is jaw quivered. I do hope that he didn't do anything to her....but the nervousness does make me concerned. IMO

[CC I See]

I think what makes me so suspicious of Ron Cummings's behavior is this. If I had a missing child, LE would not have to come looking for me to question about details concerning her abduction. The news media would also soon grow tired of my calling them to keep the case current. No camera would be looked upon as an invasion of my privacy because when you have a missing child, there IS no privacy.

I would be parked at the Police Station every day demanding to know what updates and tips they might have. If my spouse had knowledge of what might have happened, I would demand that he/she was right there with me and if they refused to do so, they would not be living in my home and would be out of my life altogether.

People can excuse him all they want, it does not change his behavior concerning his missing daughter in the past or at the present time.
Before you respond and say otherwise, think about what YOU would do and then tell me how cooperative he has been and still is.

I don't care what he has done in the past up to the point Haleigh went missing, but after that point every action he has taken is important. When it comes to a missing child, every second counts and every detail concerning what happen to that child significant.

[panache]

Thats the point. He can't win with some no matter what. And I haven't even seen the video yet.

Not speaking for others, but we all heard this:
Innocent until proven guilty.

And some, without proof, just actions/inactions, say he is guilty as sin.
jmo

I'm not in a court of law, I've not been sworn in as a member of a jury. I can express my opinions and my feelings openly without any fear of receiving recrimination. This was Ron's opportunity to show his sincerity in finding his daughter, and he failed miserably. His atty. should be ashamed of himself for allowing Ron to put in that perfomance.

moo

[Scampi]

I think what makes me so suspicious of Ron Cummings's behavior is this. If I had a missing child, LE would not have to come looking for me to question about details concerning her abduction. The news media would also soon grow tired of my calling them to keep the case current. No camera would be looked upon as an invasion of my privacy because when you have a missing child, there IS no privacy.

I would be parked at the Police Station every day demanding to know what updates and tips they might have. If my spouse had knowledge of what might have happened, I would demand that he/she was right there with me and if they refused to do so, they would not be living in my home and would be out of my life altogether.

People can excuse him all they want, it does not change his behavior concerning his missing daughter in the past or at the present time.
Before you respond and say otherwise, think about what YOU would do and then tell me how cooperative he has been and still is.

I don't care what he has done in the past up to the point Haleigh went missing, but after that point every action he has taken is important. When it comes to a missing child, every second counts and every detail concerning what happen to that child significant.


Excellent observations CC, I agree with every single one.

:thumbup:

[carlybarly]

I just tried to take a nap cause dh is home to occupy our son, but all I could think about was this case!

The video, he has some pretty lousy attorneys just going by that video. I don't think he had a script, unless it was one that said repeat the same thing over and over. The pause, I don't know, a part of me thinks he was holding back tears or at least that is what they wanted us to believe. But they should have at least coached him or he should have known to try to talk to the kidnapper/s directly. If that was me, I would have been begging for her return, would have told something about her to help make her unique, did something besides thank people for looking and to continue to look. But that is just me.

I've also been thinking about two of the theories: Haleigh accidentally taking one of his pills/drugs and the accidentally causing her death by hitting her.

In my experienced (unfortunately) drug dealers and users are very stingy and protective of their product. They don't juse leave it lying around, that is money spent or about to be made. You go to a dealers house and you don't see it laying everywhere (unless you are watching a Hollywood movie). UNLESS that dealer/user is so far gone that drugs is all that matters. But I don't see Ron in that position as he had a home for the kids, he did have a job and they did not appear to live in squalor and the kids looked to be well taken care of (fed, clean etc). It isn't impossible to say that maybe Haleigh stumbled upon them (IF he had any of course) or saw him and knew where they were, but doesn't feel right to me yet.

As for maybe backhanding her or hitting her that caused her to fall, hit her head either die then or later in her sleep. Definitely possible, but I remember they had LE interview Jr (well special LE I imagine) and I'm assuming ony, that they asked him about the day. Probably asked him if Haleigh got in trouble with Ron or Misty, if she got hit even if she seemed okay after etc and with his age, he would tell. It couldn't have helped it especially if they told him it would help find his sissy and neither Ron or Misty woudl be in trouble.

Now I have to make dinner and try to stop thinking of this; Things pop in my head here. I'm not saying neither of these scenerios couldn't have played out, today NOTHING is impossible. But right now it doesn't feel right.

IMO

[Mimi428]

Thats the point. He can't win with some no matter what. And I haven't even seen the video yet.

Not speaking for others, but we all heard this:
Innocent until proven guilty.

And some, without proof, just actions/inactions, say he is guilty as sin.
jmo

Hey, the moment I am called for jury service, I take that attitude in a very strong way. I give the defendant every single benefit & I expect (& demand, in my mind) the DA to PROVE the charge(s).

But we have not been called for jury service here & this is not a courtroom - it's a message board. We are allowed to opine on the subject to our heart's content, as long as we follow the TOS.

If you want to observe IUPG, otherwise don't write anything, that's your biz. I can't imagine who or what you would post about, since there is wretchedly little that has been PROVEN about any person, place or thing in this case - but that's JMOO.

[StickyBeak]

I think Ron is not a man of many words when it comes to Haleighs search. All that has been in the press and especially the donation issues. Do you think he has not gone with his attorney to LE because of the costs involved? Billable time and all? All JMO

[dustyk]

I think Ron is not a man of many words when it comes to Haleighs search. All that has been in the press and especially the donation issues. Do you think he has not gone with his attorney to LE because of the costs involved? Billable time and all? All JMO
They are pro bono...free...don't think that is it. JMO

[diamond]

I think Ron is not a man of many words when it comes to Haleighs search. All that has been in the press and especially the donation issues. Do you think he has not gone with his attorney to LE because of the costs involved? Billable time and all? All JMO

When your child is missing what does cost mean? Is there a top out cost for the life of a child?

Not in my book. Children are priceless and there is no amount of money that can replace the gift of a child. So if cost is his excuse, then he does not place very high value on Haleigh.

JMO

[Mel]

Thats the point. He can't win with some no matter what. And I haven't even seen the video yet.

Not speaking for others, but we all heard this:
Innocent until proven guilty.

And some, without proof, just actions/inactions, say he is guilty as sin.
jmo

but we're not sitting in a court of law right now...opinions/discussion here, is how i see it...

[StickyBeak]

They are pro bono...free...don't think that is it. JMO


TY for the reply, then he has no excuse in my book. Should be beating down the door to help find her. JMO

[dustyk]

If LE wanted to talk to him can he really refuse? Why would he? At the beginning he was questioned several times. JMO

[Mel]

I'm not in a court of law, I've not been sworn in as a member of a jury. I can express my opinions and my feelings openly without any fear of receiving recrimination. This was Ron's opportunity to show his sincerity in finding his daughter, and he failed miserably. His atty. should be ashamed of himself for allowing Ron to put in that perfomance.

moo

i should have read further...your response is perfect

[Mel]

At least he didn't fall down on the ground and do a rerun of that performance.

true:closedeyes:

[Mimi428]

If LE wanted to talk to him can he really refuse? Why would he? At the beginning he was questioned several times. JMO

Yes, he can refuse.

And your 2nd question is more & more pertinent....

WHY would Ron refuse to go to LE & be re-interviewed?

If someone here can offer up a good reason, a plausible explanation - please do so. I just can't think of one right now (could be because I have a skull-bustin' headache, but maybe not)

JMO

[Mel]

If LE wanted to talk to him can he really refuse? Why would he? At the beginning he was questioned several times. JMO

yes, he can from what i've learned from other cases...one being Jason Young - Michelle Young's husband (she was found beaten to death in her bedroom)...

[calamitygirl]

I'm not in a court of law, I've not been sworn in as a member of a jury. I can express my opinions and my feelings openly without any fear of receiving recrimination. This was Ron's opportunity to show his sincerity in finding his daughter, and he failed miserably. His atty. should be ashamed of himself for allowing Ron to put in that perfomance.

moo

Okey Dokey.

[calamitygirl]

Hey, the moment I am called for jury service, I take that attitude in a very strong way. I give the defendant every single benefit & I expect (& demand, in my mind) the DA to PROVE the charge(s).

But we have not been called for jury service here & this is not a courtroom - it's a message board. We are allowed to opine on the subject to our heart's content, as long as we follow the TOS.

If you want to observe IUPG, otherwise don't write anything, that's your biz. I can't imagine who or what you would post about, since there is wretchedly little that has been PROVEN about any person, place or thing in this case - but that's JMOO.

I stated how I felt. Opine On.

[calamitygirl]

but we're not sitting in a court of law right now...opinions/discussion here, is how i see it...

You are right. And I stated how I see it.

[calamitygirl]

If LE wanted to talk to him can he really refuse? Why would he? At the beginning he was questioned several times. JMO

Yes, he has. I don't know why he hasn't or if they have a tentative date scheduled. But I do know this, I would NOT do it without a lawyer.

[Texas48]

Texas, if you fall we will catch you :laugh:

That story was terrifying, and being right there on the Mexican border makes me think he wanted the baby so he could sell her. Children are being stolen and sold all over this country, it's more than frightening. One of the mmost effective things we can do as a group is to keep these children's faces, starting with little Haleigh, in the news, circulating in emails, a constant reminder that this atrocity is happening in our country every single day. And we need stricter, far stricter rules for pedophiles......maybe GITMO? Just a thought.

My prayers got the the Big Guy for bringing little Lesley Perez home safe to her family, and hoping Haleigh will not be far behind.ITA X for strickter laws and punishment..way back many many years back these typr of ppl would have been taken care of long before any LE got to them..kwim?..I do believe PRAYER and good LE work was the reason this precious child is back home. and..please..lets not forget little Adji..He is *still* a CHILD LOST as well as Haleigh. jmo

[panache]

Those of you who enjoy Eyes For Lies may like to read what she says about Ron's video.

http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/

[carlybarly]

Those of you who enjoy Eyes For Lies may like to read what she says about Ron's video.

http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/

I really can't agree with what I read there. For me it is NOT obvious he was reading from a teleprompter because he kept just repeating the same things over and over, like he wasn't sure what to say at all. And if they call that coaching, they need to hire a professional then because I think he just did horrid, almost incoherent and not what I expected him to say.

[panache]

Wow, what a horrible performance. I don't think that performance is even worthy of a raz award. That's all he could muster up? FGS, it is beyond pathetic now. Interesting that he made the clip without his new bride. Interesting that he pauses for what seems like eternity, hooks his jaw and then continues talking in almost a smirk-like manner. I cannot even put into words what I feel after viewing that *script* and his lawyers are doing him absolutely no good.

Looks like Misty didn't pass the ironing course for new housewives either! And, is that a new tat on the inside of Ronalds right arm?

What a disappointment, he really doesn't want Haleigh found, does he?

moo

Get outa my head Viking!! That was the first thought I had when I saw the video. He really *doesn't want Haleigh found.*

I have to ask myself why.

Myself: Why doesn't Ron want his daughter found?

Myself: Because once she is found its going to incriminate him.

moo

[carlybarly]

Watch the video again carly, it's plain as day. His eyes are definitely following cue cards, maybe not a teleprompter, but he's reading something.

moo

I'll watch it again definitely (as soon as little one is asleep ), if he really is reading cue cards, I can't believe that is all they could think of for him to say.

[Mimi428]

Get outa my head Viking!! That was the first thought I had when I saw the video. He really *doesn't want Haleigh found.*

I have to ask myself why.

Myself: Why doesn't Ron want his daughter found?

Myself: Because once she is found its going to incriminate him.

moo

After reading the long artice AH wrote about Jerome Williams & his association with Nay Nay & Amber, I have been thinking about a couple of possibilities.

Jerome did not get bailed out again & he is no longer in the Putnam County lockup. If the reporting is correct, he requested a transfer & that request was honored & he was moved to a different facility.

I have no idea what the accomodations are at the Putnam County facility, but it seems likely to me that they would be able to isolate just about anyone, should they deem it necessary. Instead, we are left to believe that they prefer going to the trouble of contacting another facility & making all the arrangements with that facility to take him, then they transport him & keep him there for awhile - then do all of the same in reverse when he needs to come back for court appearances.

We have seen how often people are booked into the jail facility - then bailed out a short time later. I find it unlikely that he would have so many connections to every other inmate that they can't find a cell for him that doesn't include a former associate. And if they aren't keeping a lot of folks, it seems they would have the space to separate Jerome W from the rest of the bunch.

I think there is more going on behind the scenes with Jerome's arrest & his transfer to another facility than we can begin to imagine.

JMO

[diamond]

I couldn't tell he was reading anything BUT that smirk was there and pizzed me off.

You finally saw that smug smirk he wears. That is what I have seen since the first time I saw him on the news.

[panache]

Good to know I'm not alone pan. I think the reason he can sit there and spew out the same carp he spewed before is because the man is so over confident that Haleigh will never be found that he thinks he can get away with it. I firmly believe this, especially now. He could have done anything with her, that's a huge area to cover and if they do find the body, how will it incriminate Ron? Too much time has passed, imo and I still think she's being weighted down at the bottom of the river with none other than, yep, cinder blocks.

I can't believe this clown hasn't had the carp kicked out of him by the locals. What an ego this guy has.

Just my opinions though.

Speaking of locals in Putnam County, remind me to not have Putnam County on my travel itinerary.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/5-Putnam-Teens-Arrested/1VwL5HR-Hkyrnw9W3-3s5Q.cspx

[diamond]

Watch it again, it's pretty obvious in the beginning and again after the pause.

MO

What is his attorney trying to do? That video was terrible. He said nothing. He looked arrogant and smug with his smirk. Coaching did not help him.
What does his attorney want from that video?

[panache]

After reading the long artice AH wrote about Jerome Williams & his association with Nay Nay & Amber, I have been thinking about a couple of possibilities.

Jerome did not get bailed out again & he is no longer in the Putnam County lockup. If the reporting is correct, he requested a transfer & that request was honored & he was moved to a different facility.

I have no idea what the accomodations are at the Putnam County facility, but it seems likely to me that they would be able to isolate just about anyone, should they deem it necessary. Instead, we are left to believe that they prefer going to the trouble of contacting another facility & making all the arrangements with that facility to take him, then they transport him & keep him there for awhile - then do all of the same in reverse when he needs to come back for court appearances.

We have seen how often people are booked into the jail facility - then bailed out a short time later. I find it unlikely that he would have so many connections to every other inmate that they can't find a cell for him that doesn't include a former associate. And if they aren't keeping a lot of folks, it seems they would have the space to separate Jerome W from the rest of the bunch.

I think there is more going on behind the scenes with Jerome's arrest & his transfer to another facility than we can begin to imagine.

JMO

Mimi, Jerome was transferred to the St. John's facilty according to the locals I communicate with. They tell me its a more secure type prison with hardened criminals housed there. Putnam County jail had another jail escape today, and I think the authorities made the right decision when it came to Jerome.

moo

[Mimi428]

Mimi, Jerome was transferred to the St. John's facilty according to the locals I communicate with. They tell me its a more secure type prison with hardened criminals housed there. Putnam County jail had another jail escape today, and I think the authorities made the right decision when it came to Jerome.

moo


Thanks for that info!

I also think they made the right decision, but I thnk there may be more to that decision than they care to divulge.

Now that Jerome is in jail & is going to stay awhile - maybe Nay Nay will agree to go into rehab. It has to be a good thing for her to not be associated with the likes of that man, if what we have read about the circumstances & conditions at the apt are true. Filthy, drug infested hovel, with a man who supposedly keeps possession of the clothes so she cannot just walk away. I hope she reaches out to KP or Cobra or someone. If she sobers up, she may be able to remember something. Or she may simply recall a better sequencing of events.

JMO

[diamond]

LOL, ya got me, diamond. This law firm is so bad I'm starting to feel embarrassed for them. :blushing:

I wonder if there was something on that teleprompter that he just couldn't bring himself to say...hence the long pause. ???

But most of all, I'm curious about that jaw thing. I'm sure it means something and I want to hear what those that study body language, etc have to say about it.

MO

That would be a side effect of cocaine.
I was taking a depo from a client one time and she told me that her husband was a coke addict. She described the jaw thing and when we went to court I saw it. Very strange. The jaw moves back and forth like a saw. Ron looked like he was trying to hold his in place.

[panache]

And..., This is why Ronald Cummings needs to stay off the media. He is not an actor so what you see is what you get. Maybe if he had KP,for his attorney, he would look more perfect but this man IMO wears his heart on his sleeves and to those who believe he is guilty of any wrong doing he can NOT say or LOOK right to them.
Looks like he has lost weight,which is expected, and to speak Haleigh's name is very hard for him.
I do hope LE has NOT put all their eggs in one basket in thinking Haleigh's disappearance is drug related. My theory still remains the same, a sex offender. Monitor anklets can be remove, I am sure it has happened before. MOO
Prayers to all who love Haleigh and may God be at her side...

Many discussing Ron's appearance of weight loss is the camera lens was stretched to give the illusion of weight loss. Don't personally know how that works, but its brillant if the atty. thought to do that.

That would have been one lucky sex offender to have taken off with Haleigh. Very doubtful, I'll stand with LE on that one, they have never said it was a SO that took Haleigh.
moo

[diamond]

Try hiring a PI without money, see how far you get. I guess he could ask Crystal where she got the cash to give to Mr. Bounty Hunter, under the table and maybe get it. MOO

Better idea. Ron could take his donations to pay a PI.

[Albini]

I have a question that has probably already been answered, but I cant findit.

Did anyone aside from Misty see Haleigh before Ron went to work?

Can anyone swear that Haleigh was alive when Ron left for work that night?


Any theories as to why he would have hurt Haleigh?

[diamond]

:thumbup: You brought back memories that I would just as soon forget. I knew someone that was addicted to powder cocaine and he did the same thing with his jaw. <<shudder>>

Thx

Another thing I noticed in the video was his eyes. Did you see him wink? He wasn't really winking at the camera. That is another side effect. One eye will twitch like that and appear to be winking.

[diamond]

Yea, like I said, a picture speaks a thousand words. Look at the picture, never mind, I am sure you have. Does it look like she thinks he is faking his tears and heartbreak??? MOO

Since when do you care what Crystal thinks?

[diamond]

How many donations do you think Ron and Crystal have received? I really don't think it's that much

I don't know but I sure would like to see the accounting record of the donations.

[bluebird70]

In my opinion, that pause was needing a moment to keep from crying. And I havent made my mind up either way as to how I feel about everyone involved. Im just watching a young man make a statement/plea on camera and has a moment of reality. How many times do you see someone on a talk show start talking about their situation just fine then just break down. They seem shocked themselves. Sometimes you feel strong and then your emotions just hit you.

[diamond]

I think if asked, Mr. Watts can most definitely account for every penny that was donated in Ron's account. Give him a call...Nice Guy....:wink:

I am sure he can. That doesn't mean he is going to release the accounting record to the public.

[bluebird70]

And honestly....unless you know someone really well you can easily misconstrue their facial reactions. People often read me as pissed off when im happy and content. I can see home videos of my kids and know EXACTLY how they were feeling. One of my kids smirks when dying of embarrassment, etc. Others might see it as an impish grin but its so not! Im just sayin'...

[diamond]

I disagree. The books are open to anyone with inquiring minds... I suggest you give him a call.:wink:

Have you called and gotten the information? Does his attorney answer emails?

[panache]

I am sure he can. That doesn't mean he is going to release the accounting record to the public.

I doubt anyone knows how much cash was put in those donation jars that are strewn throughout the area. There is no accounting for how much money is in those. Obviously Ron covets them so they must collect a considerable amt. Mr. Watts would have no idea how much money is in those jars.

moo

[diamond]

I doubt anyone knows how much cash was put in those donation jars that are strewn throughout the area. There is no accounting for how much money is in those. Obviously Ron covets them so they must collect a considerable amt. Mr. Watts would have no idea how much money is in those jars.

moo

I hope since the word got out what Ron was buying with the money from the donation jars that the jars were removed and no longer accepting beer and cigarette money in Haleigh's name for Ron and Misty.

[diamond]

I'd like to know why the lawyer felt it necessary to speak prior to Ron? Spotlight? He could have sat next to Ron if he thought it would do any good. None of it seemed sincere to me, at all.

moo

ITA

The website should open a blog for comments and feedback so the attorney will get the public's view of Ronald Cummings.

[FrankieBones1]

I just think it's pretty cool that you have an open mind and are seeing what some of us have seen from the get-go.

moo
Agreed, 51viking. I think it's pretty cool as well. I can remember thinking that Ron was a saint when this story first broke. It turns out that no one in this case has clean hands.

[diamond]

That is none of your business!!!!!!!!!:tonguewag:

Why are you telling me to call if you have not called?

[diamond]

How am I suppose to know the answer to that question. I am not in LE nor am I his attorney.:confused:

Why can't you answer? You have an excuse for everything else concerning Ron.

[FrankieBones1]

In my opinion, that pause was needing a moment to keep from crying. And I havent made my mind up either way as to how I feel about everyone involved. Im just watching a young man make a statement/plea on camera and has a moment of reality. How many times do you see someone on a talk show start talking about their situation just fine then just break down. They seem shocked themselves. Sometimes you feel strong and then your emotions just hit you.

Out of the loop around here. Which video? Anyone have a link handy?

[carlybarly]

I hope since the word got out what Ron was buying with the money from the donation jars that the jars were removed and no longer accepting beer and cigarette money in Haleigh's name for Ron and Misty.

But diamond, HOW do you know he bought beer and cigarettes with that money? I've seen you say that a lot of times and am curious how you know unless that is what you are just assuming?

[diamond]

You still have a lot of smoker's and beer drinker's out there. Welcome to the real world.
I do NOT smoke and i do NOT drink alcohol, but then I am only one wittle person on this beautiful place called earth. :rolleyes:

Are you saying smokers and beer drinkers will approve?

[?noanswer]

ITA

The website should open a blog for comments and feedback so the attorney will get the public's view of Ronald Cummings.


It seems some posters think the attorneys are stupid but I don't think they are that stupid. It didn't take the Haleighbug site very long to remove the public's ability to make comments on their site. Besides if they want feedback all they have to do is read the various blogs and message boards. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

http://findhaleighnow.com/

Banner "Just added... A message from Haleigh's dad, Ronald Cummings! Click below to see the video."


JMO

I don't find anything disingenuous about his behavior on the tape. JMO tho.

:crying:I believe he is truly feeling the pain over not having his daughter home with him and he CERTAINLY DID REACH OUT TO HALEIGH if she is able to see him. :wub:

[FrankieBones1]

I agree Frankie. Here is the link to Ronalds video posted today. http://findhaleighnow.com/Video2.htm

Thanks, Viking. This lawyer looks pretty honest. I won't comment on Ron's part of the video here, though.

[CANDYKISSES]

If you read Rev Grunds acct, that's not how it happened. I've posted that link at least a half dozen times so it should be easy to find.

We haven't heard a thing about Crystal, but we did get some updates from TJH and AH and we did finally see the long awaited video of Ron. I'm not really interested in revisiting your problems with Crystal today. I'd rather discuss what we've learned today. :smile:

You can try and dictate the discussion, but it will go on with or without your seal of approval or disapproval IMO.

Kim Picazio has been detrimental to the case ever since she started the Crystal make-over from the myspace to the turning back of time IMO. Her ambiguous remarks have only served to make the public turn away and in the long run hurt Haleigh IMO. Haleigh can't get a break for coverage and IMO it has to do with the smear campaign Kim started and now she can run from it and leave her client and the collateral damage behind IMO. :thumbdown: JMO

[diamond]

Oh, I could answer, I just don't think it is anyone's business except mine.
Any More personal question?

This case is certainly not personal to me. Has it become personal for you?

[beachpatty]

I hope since the word got out what Ron was buying with the money from the donation jars that the jars were removed and no longer accepting beer and cigarette money in Haleigh's name for Ron and Misty.



Those "donation" jars can/do become abused! I found one @ a very out of the way Bradenton, FL location, in the guise of Trenton Duckett donations. I copied the contact name & number, the local detectives were alerted and the jar was removed. So many people try to scam missing children case, it's sick but it does happen! I'm not saying that the jars for Haleigh were/are, just stating some facts.

MOO
Beachpatty

[diamond]

Hey, I am just answering a question posted by a poster with my opinion. I am still allowed that am I not?:confused:

Yes, you are allowed. No one is denying that.
Thanks for your comments.

[diamond]

Not in anyway you think, But your questions of what I have and have not done were personal question directed at me. MOO

Then you do not know the meaning of personal.

[panache]

You can try and dictate the discussion, but it will go on with or without your seal of approval or disapproval IMO.

Kim Picazio has been detrimental to the case ever since she started the Crystal make-over from the myspace to the turning back of time IMO. Her ambiguous remarks have only served to make the public turn away and in the long run hurt Haleigh IMO. Haleigh can't get a break for coverage and IMO it has to do with the smear campaign Kim started and now she can run from it and leave her client and the collateral damage behind IMO. :thumbdown: JMO

I haven't seen Kim *run* from anything, Matter of fact, according to Art she drove her hummer to a seedy motel and sat down in her Tahini suit and mixed it up with some of the characters. Sounds like she's digging in, not running away. I have to say she has nice taste for her penchant for designer suits. They fit well.

moo

[panache]

Those "donation" jars can/do become abused! I found one @ a very out of the way Bradenton, FL location, in the guise of Trenton Duckett donations. I copied the contact name & number, the local detectives were alerted and the jar was removed. So many people try to scam missing children case, it's sick but it does happen! I'm not saying that the jars for Haleigh were/are, just stating some facts.

MOO
Beachpatty

Thanks for the info patty. I never donate a dollar bill in those jars. Too risky for sticky fingers. I prefer to write a check and have a paper trial of who cashed it.

[diamond]

I haven't seen Kim *run* from anything, Matter of fact, according to Art she drove her hummer to a seedy motel and sat down in her Tahini suit and mixed it up with some of the characters. Sounds like she's digging in, not running away. I have to say she has nice taste for her penchant for designer suits. They fit well.

moo

ITA

I think KP has the goods on RC and is just waiting to snap the trap. No running away there.

She has done a lot of good for CS. She gave Crystal a confidence that she needed to survive and it has done wonders for CS.

[panache]

Way To Go Kim!!!!:thumbsup:

The Haleighbug Foundation is Officially Made A Non Profit!!

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

[diamond]

Way To Go Kim!!!!:thumbsup:

The Haleighbug Foundation is Officially Made A Non Profit!!

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

YAY Kim!!:thumbsup:

[titanfan217]

What have you learned about him?

Serious question. I have tried to see something more in RC other than how he presented himself in his interviews and I just cannot see it.

I see RC as a "taker". It's all about "me" and if it's convenient, I'll deal with it. The world owes "me".


I deal with this all the time. XDIL still thinks everyone owes her and everything breaks lose if she has to make an effort. She has been to her sons' school 3 times all year, and complains that they require too much of her.

[Albini]

So if the neighbours saw Haleighy playing after ROnleft for work and the tapes showed he never left and he had just walked in the door as Misty was calling 911 the how could he have killed her?

[titanfan217]

Wow, what a horrible performance. I don't think that performance is even worthy of a raz award. That's all he could muster up? FGS, it is beyond pathetic now. Interesting that he made the clip without his new bride. Interesting that he pauses for what seems like eternity, hooks his jaw and then continues talking in almost a smirk-like manner. I cannot even put into words what I feel after viewing that *script* and his lawyers are doing him absolutely no good.

Looks like Misty didn't pass the ironing course for new housewives either! And, is that a new tat on the inside of Ronalds right arm?

What a disappointment, he really doesn't want Haleigh found, does he?

moo



You've convinced me. I'm not even going to watch it.

[diamond]

I can't believe KP and Crystal are going back on Geraldo. I can't stand that man.

I hope she never appears on NG again. NG was so rude.

[Mel]

Those of you who enjoy Eyes For Lies may like to read what she says about Ron's video.

http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/

i do!...thanks for the link - off to read - i just got back in

[StickyBeak]

Way To Go Kim!!!!:thumbsup:

The Haleighbug Foundation is Officially Made A Non Profit!!

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

Wow, I am impressed! No weeds growing under her feet... Wonder why the Anthony's can't be non-profit as quickly..

[Mimi428]

Way To Go Kim!!!!:thumbsup:

The Haleighbug Foundation is Officially Made A Non Profit!!

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

Thanks, panache - you are a darlin' to keep finding such good links for us.

I listened to the audio of the interview with KP & I was gratified to hear of the way she has continued to keep Haleigh's story activie with the media & her efforts to keep flyers printed & circulated to areas beyond Satsuma & Florida.

I don't understand how her efforts can be seen as being detrimental to keeping Haleigh's picture & story actively being covered. But it seems she is in the same boat at TJH, AH & Cobra - each of them has engaged in demonstrable activities to actively work to find Haleigh - yet they are villifed for it.

Somehow it all reminds me of the story of the Emperor's New Clothes. Everybody wants to shut up the person who points out that the Emperor, in fact, has NO NEW clothes. KWIM?

JMO

[Mel]

That would be a side effect of cocaine.
I was taking a depo from a client one time and she told me that her husband was a coke addict. She described the jaw thing and when we went to court I saw it. Very strange. The jaw moves back and forth like a saw. Ron looked like he was trying to hold his in place.

it certainly is...the jaw thing

i've seen it dozens & dozens of times with a family member

[titanfan217]

ITA

The website should open a blog for comments and feedback so the attorney will get the public's view of Ronald Cummings.


It might be the 1st blog to catch on fire.

[Mel]

Mimi, Jerome was transferred to the St. John's facilty according to the locals I communicate with. They tell me its a more secure type prison with hardened criminals housed there. Putnam County jail had another jail escape today, and I think the authorities made the right decision when it came to Jerome.

moo

ok...i read the article about this Jerome guy/nay nay/amber...i guess i've missed something...i don't understand how this is related to Haleigh's disapperance:confused:

i understand that one, or maybe all three of these people might have been with Misty, the weekend prior to Haleigh missing, but i can't quite understand how this fits in with her disappearance, since it apparently happened on that Monday...(wee hours of Tuesday morning, but i think something happened to Haleigh earlier Monday afternoon/evening, at the home)....

do some think that Misty may have told these people something about Haleigh, prior to her missing??? - i'm lost

[Mimi428]

That would be a side effect of cocaine.
I was taking a depo from a client one time and she told me that her husband was a coke addict. She described the jaw thing and when we went to court I saw it. Very strange. The jaw moves back and forth like a saw. Ron looked like he was trying to hold his in place.

How the heck did I miss this post earlier? I dunno, but thanks, Mel for quoting it a couple of minutes ago.

Cocaine is not the only drug that can cause that oral dykinesia, the vacuous jaw movements & stuff - methamphetamines also can do that. And there are other drugs than can do it as well, the anti-psychotics being pretty notorious for it.

But all that aside, I can't say that I would want to comment why Ron's jaw does what it does. Could be from a medical condition, but like Crystal's seizures - there are WAAAAAAY too many potential causes for me to even begin to guess which ones are the most likely.

JMO

[sickntired]

Another thing I noticed in the video was his eyes. Did you see him wink? He wasn't really winking at the camera. That is another side effect. One eye will twitch like that and appear to be winking.

I saw the wink...but I'm not sure what its from.

I wonder if they had to take several "takes" to get this video. Also I've never seen Ron in a button down shirt. I will have to go back and see if it looks as though he is reading a cue card...didn't notice...I was busy watching him slightly shaking his head "no" while asking people to call in tips.

Has it ever been discussed....the interview with Nay Nay and her saying that Misty said that Ron got mad when she told him she was pregnant and he tried to squeeze her into a ball or something like that. I've never heard of such a thing...was he trying to kill the baby? I wonder if he's ever squeezed Haleigh as punishment. Weird.

[Mel]

Many discussing Ron's appearance of weight loss is the camera lens was stretched to give the illusion of weight loss. Don't personally know how that works, but its brillant if the atty. thought to do that.

That would have been one lucky sex offender to have taken off with Haleigh. Very doubtful, I'll stand with LE on that one, they have never said it was a SO that took Haleigh.
moo

YES!! i noticed that also...it looked like the frame was elongated (is that the right word?)...i thought that at first, but figured it was lousy video or something..

[calamitygirl]

And..., This is why Ronald Cummings needs to stay off the media. He is not an actor so what you see is what you get. Maybe if he had KP,for his attorney, he would look more perfect but this man IMO wears his heart on his sleeves and to those who believe he is guilty of any wrong doing he can NOT say or LOOK right to them.
Looks like he has lost weight,which is expected, and to speak Haleigh's name is very hard for him.
I do hope LE has NOT put all their eggs in one basket in thinking Haleigh's disappearance is drug related. My theory still remains the same, a sex offender. Monitor anklets can be remove, I am sure it has happened before. MOO
Prayers to all who love Haleigh and may God be at her side...

I agree Bam, I am not going to hang someone because of a smirk.

[Mel]

How the heck did I miss this post earlier? I dunno, but thanks, Mel for quoting it a couple of minutes ago.

Cocaine is not the only drug that can cause that oral dykinesia, the vacuous jaw movements & stuff - methamphetamines also can do that. And there are other drugs than can do it as well, the anti-psychotics being pretty notorious for it.

But all that aside, I can't say that I would want to comment why Ron's jaw does what it does. Could be from a medical condition, but like Crystal's seizures - there are WAAAAAAY too many potential causes for me to even begin to guess which ones are the most likely.

JMO

good point, Mimi...& you're welcome!

there are other drugs that can cause the 'jaw thing'...i know cocaine does it, since it's what i've seen being around a crack-head in the family

[Peaches]

I saw the wink...but I'm not sure what its from.

I wonder if they had to take several "takes" to get this video. Also I've never seen Ron in a button down shirt. I will have to go back and see if it looks as though he is reading a cue card...didn't notice...I was busy watching him slightly shaking his head "no" while asking people to call in tips.

Has it ever been discussed....the interview with Nay Nay and her saying that Misty said that Ron got mad when she told him she was pregnant and he tried to squeeze her into a ball or something like that. I've never heard of such a thing...was he trying to kill the baby? I wonder if he's ever squeezed Haleigh as punishment. Weird.


Eye wink? When under stress, many people's eyes jerk.
jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

I haven't seen Kim *run* from anything, Matter of fact, according to Art she drove her hummer to a seedy motel and sat down in her Tahini suit and mixed it up with some of the characters. Sounds like she's digging in, not running away. I have to say she has nice taste for her penchant for designer suits. They fit well.

moo

:lol: It's a Tahari suit FYI. Check Marshalls or Macy's Panache. You too can dress just like Kim.

It's nothing you won't see in an office. Kim has tried to morph Crystal into something she is not while hammering away at others. I won't give you the old lipstick analogy, suffice it to say Kim has done nothing to impress me and certainly not much to further finding Haleigh IMOO.

I would rather find out about what is actually going on to find HALEIGH CUMMINGS. :wub:

ALL JMO.

[calamitygirl]

True, she does. She also said that she's seen him cry and used the word "fake" when describing his sobbing performances.

Fake! Yep, saw it and it wasn't, IMO, from RC.

[Peaches]

:lol: It's a Tahari suit FYI. Check Marshalls or Macy's Panache. You too can dress just like Kim.

It's nothing you won't see in an office. Kim has tried to morph Crystal into something she is not while hammering away at others. I won't give you the old lipstick analogy, suffice it to say Kim has done nothing to impress me and certainly not much to further finding Haleigh IMOO.

I would rather find out about what is actually going on to find HALEIGH CUMMINGS. :wub:

ALL JMO.



ITA, Candy Kiesses. Excellent post!

[Mel]

Same here. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see those records. I doubt we ever will. But honestly i don't think either of them have received a lot.

i agree...i don't think either has received a ton of donations...maybe at the beginning with RC, but after the tattoo, i think donations probably started dwindling....jmo

eta...not to mention the wedding

[Mel]

The question is, why doesn't he just go and get it over with? Why wait? What's he waiting for?
LE would be so sick of me if that were my child they wouldn't have to wait for me to show up to clear up a few minor things.

exactly, Tiff!
why hasn't he ??? - there's no logical reason, IMO, unless his atty is telling him not to...LE wouldn't mind if he shows up w/an atty, so what's stopping RC from doing that...very weird, imo

[calamitygirl]

And honestly....unless you know someone really well you can easily misconstrue their facial reactions. People often read me as pissed off when im happy and content. I can see home videos of my kids and know EXACTLY how they were feeling. One of my kids smirks when dying of embarrassment, etc. Others might see it as an impish grin but its so not! Im just sayin'...

I hear you bluebird, loud and clear. Its like some people think they know all about you because of how you post, lol

[sickntired]

I personally thought Ron looked clean and sober.

I thought he looked good, in that he didn't looked stressed or worried anymore....maybe from staying out of the spotlight. I think Ron has always been thin.

[CANDYKISSES]

I personally thought Ron looked clean and sober.

I share that same belief. IMO he was trying to do everything necessary NOT TO CRY and break down. But, that is JMO. :biggrin:

[calamitygirl]

ITA

The website should open a blog for comments and feedback so the attorney will get the public's view of Ronald Cummings.

You mean so he can get bashed even more? I remember that clearly happening on Crystals site.

[Mel]

That is none of your business!!!!!!!!!:tonguewag:

wait a minute...you're the one calling him a "nice guy", as if you've talked to him:confused:

[calamitygirl]

If you read Rev Grunds acct, that's not how it happened. I've posted that link at least a half dozen times so it should be easy to find.

We haven't heard a thing about Crystal, but we did get some updates from TJH and AH and we did finally see the long awaited video of Ron. I'm not really interested in revisiting your problems with Crystal today. I'd rather discuss what we've learned today. :smile:

Did the moderator post new rules on who can talk about what today? Musta missed it.

[Mimi428]

ok...i read the article about this Jerome guy/nay nay/amber...i guess i've missed something...i don't understand how this is related to Haleigh's disapperance:confused:

i understand that one, or maybe all three of these people might have been with Misty, the weekend prior to Haleigh missing, but i can't quite understand how this fits in with her disappearance, since it apparently happened on that Monday...(wee hours of Tuesday morning, but i think something happened to Haleigh earlier Monday afternoon/evening, at the home)....

do some think that Misty may have told these people something about Haleigh, prior to her missing??? - i'm lost

I think the point was that nobody knows YET if Jerome & Nay Nay (& Amber) can offer up good information because they are all living a lifestyle which creates very negative mindsets & attitudes in them for helping LE.

Cobra apparently was willing to bail out Amber & Nay Nay - & offer to get them cleaned up. If they were sober, maybe their addicted minds would allow a thought to enter on how horrifying it really is for a 5-year old to disappear. Perhaps they might actually be able to work on thinking about who knew Misty &/or Ron. Who might have a grudge. Who might be the kind of perv who would take a little child. But until those two young women are detox-ed, I doubt either one of them has the capacity to even give a d@mn, much less help by saying what they know.

I believe part of the conditions for Cobra getting each of them out of jail was that they would stop taking drugs. However, it does not appear that either one of them yet have that ability. When Nay Nay had her episode of erratic behavior, Cobra rescinded her bail & had her taken back to jail. For one thing, she apparently was out of control. For another thing, if she stayed in jail for awhile, she would eventually detox & dry out & perhaps once she did she would be able to relate more information.

However...it didn't happen that way. Along comes Jerome W - who, for whatever ungodly reasons we probably don't want to know - gets Nay Nay bailed back out again. It seems he doesn't care about Nay Nay getting off drugs & there seems to be some indication that he may be the sort of guy who would help Nay Nay PAY for the drugs she wants.

Jerome apparently has had plenty of prior trouble with the law - & it seems that it eventually dawned on him that some of his legal troubles would be greatly ameliorated IF he could offer up any real help to LE in finding Haleigh.

I would venture to say that Jerome is higher up the drug trade chain & he may have a clearer brain most days than Nay Nay &/or Amber. I would also guess that he has at least a little motivation & is opportunistic enough to make contact with others living that lifestyle - & maybe somebody knows somebody who is related to somebody else who heard A$$hole # 1, 2 or 3 remark about how they were at Ron Cumming's house that night - maybe visiting Misty. Maybe with evil intentions in the first place to steal Haleigh.

All the above just theories, I certainly cannot verify what any of these folks say, do or know.

JMO

[Mel]

It might be the 1st blog to catch on fire.

LOL, you got that right!

[cat3]

Eye wink? When under stress, many people's eyes jerk.
jmo

My eyes twitch or jerk when I'm under a lot of stress.The "smirk" is I think an attempt by Ron to look pleasant or the beginning of a smile.Nothing wrong with him trying to be pleasant in my opinion.
It looked to me as though he was trying to maintain control of his emotions when he moved his jaw.He has lost a lot of weight,and I figured some would assume it was from drug use.IMO

[calamitygirl]

it certainly is...the jaw thing

i've seen it dozens & dozens of times with a family member

Is hand shaking a sign too?

[Mel]

thank you very much for explaining this to me, Mimi!...i get it now..

[Mel]

Is hand shaking a sign too?

i have no idea what you mean..

[calamitygirl]

You also missed the part where I said what *I* wasn't interseted in discussing.

That's what happens when you robo-post.

Oh, I did miss the part where someone asked you what you were interested in, tho.

[calamitygirl]

i have no idea what you mean..

Aren't you one of the ones who know what the jaw movement meant? I was wondering if hand shakes are part of it. Thats all.

[Mimi428]

IMO Jerome got nay nay out of jail so she WOULDN'T detox, he wants her to stay hooked, as he does with all his other clients. And the real dealers seldom sample their own product, its bad business, they need clear heads.

He's a scary person, and I hope Haleigh has not had the misfortune to come in contact with him.


I think you are exactly right about all that, MX.

I'm glad he got transferred to another facility. I hope he is far enough away that neither Amber nor Nay Nay can easily go see him. I think he is a very bad man. And I think he also knows some VERY bad people, further up the drug trade chain & further down the drug trade chain.

JMO

[Mel]

Way To Go Kim!!!!:thumbsup:

The Haleighbug Foundation is Officially Made A Non Profit!!

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

thank you!

i'm listening to Kim now...i like her

[carlybarly]

I watched again, I just don't know honestly. I don't like how he keeps repeating the thanks over and over without adding more. The pause still looks to me like he is trying to keep himself under control. I can see how the smirk can be taken as a sign of arrogance or however it is seen by some but you know when i'm very nervous I laugh or smile really wide and I cannot help it. Once I had to testify at a rape trial (for the prosecution) and I was horrified that I couldn't keep myself from smiling and nervousy laughing, nothing was funny about it at all but I was so nervous I couldn't control what my face wanted me to do. But that is my experience only. I still have to wait, as I said before I'm not ready to throw him under the bus because I'm allowing leeway here and chalk it up to being very nervous till something turns up to prove otherwise.

[Mimi428]

thank you very much for explaining this to me, Mimi!...i get it now..

You are very welcome. That was just my interpretation of what I have read.

:seeya:

[Mel]

Aren't you one of the ones who know what the jaw movement meant? I was wondering if hand shakes are part of it. Thats all.

i never said i "know" that RC's jaw movement was caused by cocaine/crack...i only know that it IS a side affect from using it...don't know anything about shaking hands, as i've never noticed that:smile:

[dustyk]

I watched again, I just don't know honestly. I don't like how he keeps repeating the thanks over and over without adding more. The pause still looks to me like he is trying to keep himself under control. I can see how the smirk can be taken as a sign of arrogance or however it is seen by some but you know when i'm very nervous I laugh or smile really wide and I cannot help it. Once I had to testify at a rape trial (for the prosecution) and I was horrified that I couldn't keep myself from smiling and nervousy laughing, nothing was funny about it at all but I was so nervous I couldn't control what my face wanted me to do. But that is my experience only. I still have to wait, as I said before I'm not ready to throw him under the bus because I'm allowing leeway here and chalk it up to being very nervous till something turns up to prove otherwise.
It truly looked to me as though he was extremely nervous...I once had to read in church for a funeral and my jaw quivered that way. I think it was a combination of nerves and hurting. It is out of character for him though, he usually has himself more together, he was much more in control at the tatto place.

[JackiBlu]

Thanks pan. Just listened to the audio.

KP is on the job and Crystal is very lucky to have her in her corner.

MO

Could be I heard it wrong but thought KP said attorney's are "in the process" of filing the necessary paper work. So as of yet it is not a non-profit.

JMO

[Mel]

Could be I heard it wrong but thought KP said attorney's are "in the process" of filing the necessary paper work. So as of yet it is not a non-profit.

JMO

it's easy enough for someone there to check & see if the paperwork has been filed...KP isn't going to take a chance at lying about this, imo

[JackiBlu]

please guys, everyone reacts to drugs differently, and unless you are a medical doctor or someone who is trained to work with drug addicts, please preface your observations with IMO, or provide a link where we can brush up on the symptoms. I'm not trying to be difficult, but you are dangerously close to accusing Ron Cummings of being on cocaine when he did that video and CW will not find that acceptable. Neither do I, not here. K?
thanks, I really appreciate it.

Thank you for your post X. Now we know why Ron hasn't been in the public. No matter what he says or does will be torn apart by some.

JMO

[?noanswer]

Could be I heard it wrong but thought KP said attorney's are "in the process" of filing the necessary paper work. So as of yet it is not a non-profit.

JMO


That'd what I heard. I'm glad they are making it legal. That way there will be records of all monies collected and expended. JMO

[JackiBlu]

it's easy enough for someone there to check & see if the paperwork has been filed...KP isn't going to take a chance at lying about this, imo

I'm not saying she was lying; just that they are in the process and it is not a non-profit yet. As some had posted.

JMO

[Mel]

i guess i missed it, but did Kim say when her & CS will be with Geraldo?...i only caught her mentioning this at the very end..

[Mimi428]

ITA Mimi, from what the article said he requested that he be transferred because he knew some people in there.

<snipped>

About that request to be transferred because he knew some people in the jail....

I wonder how many people he knows OUTSIDE of the jail?

Florida, I have no doubt, is different from Texas. And I would swear on as stack of bibles that the county I live in has a different approach to crime & criminals than Putnam County apparently does. So I can't really say that I am at all familiar with how they handle which inmates stay with others, which inmates are kept separate, etc. But around here, the idea that an inmate gets to request a transfer to an entirely different facility is laughable.

"Sheriff, I really don't like this jail. There are some people in here that don't like me. I would much rather be transferred to another county facility."

"Why sure, Mr JW, charged with drug trafficking offenses - we'll get right on that. Not a problem."

I believe the sheriff decided, for his own reasons, to transfer Jerome W. I don't think the sheriff's reasons were that JW wanted to be somewhere else. Jails are not Burger King, you don't get to come in, place an order & have it your way with the jail personnel. (If you are the cell boss & we are talking about you & your cellies, that is a different story.)

[Mel]

Maybe that has something to do with a strong, powerful and positive woman like Kim Picazio? A positive female influence like Kim's is exactly what Crystal needed. Kim has done wonders for Crystal and I say kudos to her for that.

moo

i agree 100%, viking
:seeya:

[?noanswer]

i guess i missed it, but did Kim say when her & CS will be with Geraldo?...i only caught her mentioning this at the very end..

I thought she said Sun. night. JMO

[?noanswer]

me, too, and my hat is off to any woman who wears heels and drives a green Hummer!!!:w00t:

I don't know about doing that in the area where she was. I hope she had someone with her. JMO

[Mel]

I thought she said Sun. night. JMO

thanks.....

[panache]

:lol: It's a Tahari suit FYI. Check Marshalls or Macy's Panache. You too can dress just like Kim.

It's nothing you won't see in an office. Kim has tried to morph Crystal into something she is not while hammering away at others. I won't give you the old lipstick analogy, suffice it to say Kim has done nothing to impress me and certainly not much to further finding Haleigh IMOO.

I would rather find out about what is actually going on to find HALEIGH CUMMINGS. :wub:

ALL JMO.

I meant to come back and correct my spelling candy, I had to get to the vet to pick up my fur baby. Thank you for taking care of that for me. I am well aware of Tahari, they do have a nice tailored look. Fits Kim style perfectly.

You wnat to know *what's going on to find HALIEGH CUMMINGS*? Why just look at Kim's efforts. She's the only one that seems to be doing anything these days.

If it weren't for her, NOTHING would be going on, and I have a feeling that's what Ron wishes.

moo

[Scampi]

:lol: It's a Tahari suit FYI. Check Marshalls or Macy's Panache. You too can dress just like Kim.

It's nothing you won't see in an office. Kim has tried to morph Crystal into something she is not while hammering away at others. I won't give you the old lipstick analogy, suffice it to say Kim has done nothing to impress me and certainly not much to further finding Haleigh IMOO.

I would rather find out about what is actually going on to find HALEIGH CUMMINGS. :wub:

ALL JMO.

I don't get the old lipstick analogy, are you calling KP or CS a "pig" as in the saying "you can't put lipstick on a pig?"

Also, please explain to all of us how you can be so certain that KP has done nothing to further the search for Haleigh?

[Mel]

i've never heard of Tahari, but KP always looks nice & professional..:biggrin:

[Texas48]

and I, like many people, don't care what he did with the money, it was donated free and clear with no strings attached. If an accounting was wanted with a sent donation maybe the person could have asked for one. If you are disappointed with the manner in which you think any of them are spending the donation money simply don't send him any.

Damn Madame X....they didn't think of that option...lol

[Mel]

I don't get the old lipstick analogy, are you calling KP or CS a "pig" as in the saying "you can't put lipstick on a pig?"

Also, please explain to all of us how you can be so certain that KP has done nothing to further the search for Haleigh?

you didn't ask me, but i think it's very obvious how KP has helped, & is still helping to find Haleigh...Haleighbug Foundation, & keeping this case out in the media, at least to some extent...

her interview in the link Panache posted earlier, it's obvious how much time she's putting in, on this case!

eta to add link - audio interview with KP

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

[panache]

I don't get the old lipstick analogy, are you calling KP or CS a "pig" as in the saying "you can't put lipstick on a pig?"

Also, please explain to all of us how you can be so certain that KP has done nothing to further the search for Haleigh?

Hey Scamp

I'd like to know what Candy thinks should be done to find Haleigh.

[Mimi428]

Mimi, I believe you're correct that inmates don't get to pick and choose what facility they go to but if, for example, Jerome is an informant, or cut a deal on some previous case and it becomes a safety issue for him or others, it's in their best interest to avoid those kinds of problems.

I'm not saying that is the case here, I'm just throwing it out as an example.

Also, in my area, jails and prisons have an agreement to house prisoners for one another due to over-crowding and safety issues like the one example I mentioned.

MO

I think your assessment is what actually could be happening - that the sheriff, along with the other branches of LE working on Haleigh's case, may have decided that they could make a whole lot better use of Jerome if they took him to an entirely different facility.

Here is a scenario - this is only a theory of mine, I do not claim it to be accurate -

IF the information reported on AH's website is essentially correct that KP & Cobra have spoken to Jerome W about this case & JW expressed an interest in trying to find out more, because it would potentially help him resolve his own legal troubles...

THEN, there are a couple of ways that could be accomplished that would not draw attention to JW as being the source of the info.

Example - there could have been a prior agreement that JW would get arrested with someone else, exactly the way he did get arrested by that undercover sting. So...take him to jail, lock him up, new charges & it makes the papers & there is another perp with him who can swear that JW didn't just walk up to LE & blab - he got popped the same way she did. The woman, Courtney Leonard, can attest that LE slapped the cuffs on JW the same way they slapped them on her.

So now JW goes to jail, gets processed into jail. He has been arrested before & it just so happens that some of his associates are there too. There are good reasons for keeping them apart. There are also good reasons for other inmates to NOT observe JW speaking to ANY member of LE. The solution? Transfer him out of there. To another facility. Along the way, he might be able to speak with the investigators - or it could be that they will go to another facility to interview him. Either way, he gets out of Putnam County. If the Haleigh investigators go to new places, there is no reason for the locals to track it back to JW - he's in jail, he's locked up.

My 2nd S-I-L is the one who works in corrections & I know from some of the stuff he has spoken about how an inmate can most definitely want to get out of the cell they are in. He has spoken before about making a fast trip to a cell to pull out someone who has plastered themselves to the door & is begging to be put in isolation. And he has also remarked about some of the VERY bad guys who come in who need to be kept completely away from everyone else. But I think he would laugh out loud at the notion that any of them could request & be granted a transfer to a different facility. There is a lot of paper wrangling that has to go on & there are physical safety concerns.

I think JW got transferred, but I think the reason he got transferred is nothing like what AH may have been told. But whatever the reasons may be - if it helps the investigation into Haleigh's disappearance, it is all good with me.

JMO

[Scampi]

you didn't ask me, but i think it's very obvious how KP has helped, & is still helping to find Haleigh...Haleighbug Foundation, & keeping this case out in the media, at least to some extent...

her interview in the link Panache posted earlier, it's obvious how much time she's putting in, on this case!

eta to add link - audio interview with KP

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

Thank you very much Mel and for everyone's edification any post is subject to a reply, that's how a message board operates.

I agree with you Mel, Kim is putting her heart and soul into this case.

[Scampi]

Hey Scamp

I'd like to know what Candy thinks should be done to find Haleigh.

Hiya Pan, well most sensible people agree that the father of the "kidnapped" victim should be running down to the police station to be interviewed again, as requested.

I have no idea what CK thinks, ask her?

[Texas48]

Thank you for your post X. Now we know why Ron hasn't been in the public. No matter what he says or does will be torn apart by some.

JMOX had an excellent post Jacki..posters want to attack and some care NOT how or what is said to accomplish their goals. CW may have a different view on it than they do..kwim? its a no win for Ron..we know it and I believe Ron knows as well...for several days posters were ranting on and on about him giving his message....and look at what has happened. I don't blame ANY of them for NOT speaking in public..jmo

[Mimi428]

I don't blame ANY of them for NOT speaking in public..jmo

<snipped>

I can see how any of them might be uncomfortable speaking in public, but recording a message isn't in the same category. You can re-do it if you don't like it.

Anyway, I haven't seen it so I can't comment on how Ron appeared. So moving on from that...

What do you think of Amber's (alleged) statement to AH that Ron's name is on the birth certificate for her son? Do you believe she said that? (I do, since AH wrote it in quotation marks).

Do you believe Ron knows his name is on that birth certificate? (I think he more than likely does)

[diamond]

<snipped>

I can see how any of them might be uncomfortable speaking in public, but recording a message isn't in the same category. You can re-do it if you don't like it.

Anyway, I haven't seen it so I can't comment on how Ron appeared. So moving on from that...

What do you think of Amber's (alleged) statement to AH that Ron's name is on the birth certificate for her son? Do you believe she said that? (I do, since AH wrote it in quotation marks).

Do you believe Ron knows his name is on that birth certificate? (I think he more than likely does)

Yes, he knows. He would have to sign the birth certificate.

[panache]

X had an excellent post Jacki..posters want to attack and some care NOT how or what is said to accomplish their goals. CW may have a different view on it than they do..kwim? its a no win for Ron..we know it and I believe Ron knows as well...for several days posters were ranting on and on about him giving his message....and look at what has happened. I don't blame ANY of them for NOT speaking in public..jmo

No one is attacking, we are having a discussion and expressing our opinion. This isn't a prayer service, its a message board. I don't have any *goal* except to find Haleigh. What's yours, when you constantly critic posts as attacks and rants?

moo

[panache]

The title of this article is Bread and Butter

Its a good read, imo.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120870

[titanfan217]

I personally thought Ron looked clean and sober.

Maybe.

He reminded me of a former professor I had --- one tone.

How long ago was the banner first up? It wasn't worth the wait.

I wasn't going to watch but it was on HLN.

[aproudmom]

I just saw RC plea on HLN..All I want is for this child to come home..I can not believe it has been this long and nothing:crying:

[Texas48]

any exposure for Haleigh is good exposure, people still watch him....I don't know WHY but they do!maybe some watch because they really are interested in what he has to say..maybe some watch so they can nit pick apart every
thing he says and his actions..heck..now his eyes blink and they find somthing sinister in that and even have his jaw doing *jerking*......yep..he must be guilty.....of something.

[Texas48]

I personally thought Ron looked clean and sober.I did too FA..IF I was in his place there would be NO telling what I would be on...blinking eyes and jerking jaw would be the mild part of me..kwim?

[Scampi]

maybe some watch because they really are interested in what he has to say..maybe some watch so they can nit pick apart every
thing he says and his actions..heck..now his eyes blink and they find somthing sinister in that and even have his jaw doing *jerking*......yep..he must be guilty.....of something.

Well of course people are watching him closely, the police are too, imo. He has not been ruled out as a suspect in this case anything he says will be gone over with a fine tooth comb and it should be, imo.

[Mimi428]

Yes, he knows. He would have to sign the birth certificate.

Thanks! I appreciate the info.

Now I have to wonder why he would not just acknowledge that baby when he was asked about it after Haleigh went missing. I don't believe he actually had doubts that he was the father, I am thinking that may have been one more indication of how d@mn evasive he is about a whole lot of things.

JMO

[Mel]

maybe some watch because they really are interested in what he has to say..maybe some watch so they can nit pick apart every
thing he says and his actions..heck..now his eyes blink and they find somthing sinister in that and even have his jaw doing *jerking*......yep..he must be guilty.....of something.

if i'm not mistaken, X was talking about Geraldo, not RC..

[Mel]

The title of this article is Bread and Butter

Its a good read, imo.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120870

thanks...i just got thru reading this..sad, but true

[panache]

if i'm not mistaken, X was talking about Geraldo, not RC..

I think your right Mel. I was confused there for a moment. :wink:

[Mel]

Thanks! I appreciate the info.

Now I have to wonder why he would not just acknowledge that baby when he was asked about it after Haleigh went missing. I don't believe he actually had doubts that he was the father, I am thinking that may have been one more indication of how d@mn evasive he is about a whole lot of things.
JMO

i think you hit the nail on the head..

[Mel]

I think your right Mel. I was confused there for a moment. :wink:

no problem:wink:

[JackiBlu]

if i'm not mistaken, X was talking about Geraldo, not RC..

What post of X's are you referring to? TIA

[panache]

Don't know if any of you watched the local broadcast on this. Locals that did said LE was on the 6:30pm broadcast. LE said they are taking this case personal, and are not getting the information they need.

(all paraphrased)

Did anyone here manage to watch it?

http://www.news4jax.com/video/15505198/index.html

[Texas48]

<snipped>

I can see how any of them might be uncomfortable speaking in public, but recording a message isn't in the same category. You can re-do it if you don't like it.

Anyway, I haven't seen it so I can't comment on how Ron appeared. So moving on from that...

What do you think of Amber's (alleged) statement to AH that Ron's name is on the birth certificate for her son? Do you believe she said that? (I do, since AH wrote it in quotation marks).

Do you believe Ron knows his name is on that birth certificate? (I think he more than likely does)it really does not matter to me one way or the other about Ron's name being on the BC or even if he is the father of Amber's baby...IMO this issues has nothing to do with Haleigh's case..two different issues here with Haleigh being the most important of the two....with that said..IF Ron is the dad then he should step up to the plate and take responsibility for the baby and for financial support...but I do not believe that is a top priority during the time Haleigh is missing. all MO..

[4Kids]

<snipped>

I can see how any of them might be uncomfortable speaking in public, but recording a message isn't in the same category. You can re-do it if you don't like it.

Anyway, I haven't seen it so I can't comment on how Ron appeared. So moving on from that...

What do you think of Amber's (alleged) statement to AH that Ron's name is on the birth certificate for her son? Do you believe she said that? (I do, since AH wrote it in quotation marks).

Do you believe Ron knows his name is on that birth certificate? (I think he more than likely does)


Hi Mimi...haven't been on in a while...scary place. If he was named on the BC, wouldn't welfare pursue him for support, The GM was awarded custody (formally?), so therefore I am assuming the "system" was a part of that. Ro being named as a father could dimish the GM's benefits she receives for her grandson iff Ron wasn't pursed, couldn't it? I believe it works that way in my state. IMO ETA Sorry for all of the typos. I won't even attempt to fix them now. Too many.

[Mel]

What post of X's are you referring to? TIA

the one that Texas48 responded to..

just wanted to make it clear, before everyone started responding to something X didn't post:)

[Mel]

Don't know if any of you watched the local broadcast on this. Locals that did said LE was on the 6:30pm broadcast. LE said they are taking this case personal, and are not getting the information they need.

(all paraphrased)

Did anyone here manage to watch it?

http://www.news4jax.com/video/15505198/index.html

nothing on the video now...do you think the broadcast will be posted soon?

[4Kids]

Couple of questions, as I am trying to catch up here...I have been lurking alot, yet remained confused.

1. Did anyone confirm that Misty hired a lawyer?

2. Did LE confirm that they are the source for AH?

3. I saw several posters reference that Ron lied about the bus stop. Has LE confirmed this? Did Ron and/or Misty publicly admit this?

Thanks for any info. Seems we are still where we were on day 1. I see LE was recently quoted in a newspaper indicating they aren't getting the info they need. From whom? The public or the family? TIA. IMO

[Mel]

Did everyone read Art's new post about DCF, Ronald and a DFS investigators son?


http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/the-bald-truth-on-cnn-jane-velez-mitchell/#more-2023

i just did:ohmy:

thanks for the link

very interesting, what this neighbor Santos has to say, imo

[4Kids]

Did everyone read Art's new post about DCF, Ronald and a DFS investigators son?


http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/the-bald-truth-on-cnn-jane-velez-mitchell/#more-2023

I thought we recently learned that Ron was not at the bus stop that day? IMO

[Mel]

I thought we recently learned that Ron was not at the bus stop that day? IMO

RC claims he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop that Monday afternoon...there are witnesses that say that isn't true; Misty picked Haleigh up

eta...apparently RC wasn't at the bus stop AT ALL, on that Monday..he passed the bus stop, speeding, before any children ever got on the bus....taking Haleigh to school, it seems

i wonder why he was speeding...wonder if he was upset w/Haleigh??

[JackiBlu]

I thought we recently learned that Ron was not at the bus stop that day? IMO

That's what I thought too. Cobra was the one who said he confirmed it. Now who isn't telling the truth? Starting to sound like some just want their 15 minutes.


JMO

[JackiBlu]

RC claims he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop that Monday afternoon...there are witnesses that say that isn't true; Misty picked Haleigh up

eta...apparently RC wasn't at the bus stop AT ALL, on that Monday..he passed the bus stop, speeding, before any children ever got on the bus....taking Haleigh to school, it seems

i wonder why he was speeding...wonder if he was upset w/Haleigh??

Then why would this neighbor say Ron said that was when Haleigh was missing? Makes no sense.

JMO

[Mel]

That's what I thought too. Cobra was the one who said he confirmed it. Now who isn't telling the truth? Starting to sound like some just want their 15 minutes.


JMO

you must not be reading the same link that i was reading..(the one FallenAngel posted)
it's clear as it can be...from reading this, & from witnesses at the bus stop, the morning & afternoon of - RC wasn't at the bus stop at all that day, with Haleigh

[Mel]

I found this paragraph especially interesting;

In fact, Santos believes he saw her through Ronald’s tinted windows as the father sped around the corner, whipping within inches of a pickup truck and nearly hitting him and others. He told investigators his daughter, a third grader who had taken Haleigh under wing when they road the bus together, was frightened for days afterwards. He recalls at least one detective giving him a thumbs up, “like now they knew why Ronald was in such a hurry that day. They didn’t tell me anything, just, ‘Now it’s starting to make sense.”

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/the-bald-truth-on-cnn-jane-velez-mitchell/#more-2023

(my bold)

it's becoming more & more clear to me...RC was upset with something, & it's my own opinion, that either he was upset with Haleigh OR, he was upset with Misty, & took it out on Haleigh, that Monday morning on the way to take her to school...

again, it's my own opinion

[aproudmom]

omg someone tried to take a little girl in Orlando as she was sleeping..how scary is that..thank god she screamed..

what is up with this drug informant..

[JackiBlu]

you must not be reading the same link that i was reading..(the one FallenAngel posted)
it's clear as it can be...from reading this, & from witnesses at the bus stop, the morning & afternoon of - RC wasn't at the bus stop at all that day, with Haleigh



Yes I read the same one. I should have explained further; the neighbor said Ron told him that was the day Haleigh was missing. We know that isn't true. That's why this neighbor's statement makes no sense.

JMO

[Mel]

Then why would this neighbor say Ron said that was when Haleigh was missing? Makes no sense.

JMO

it didn't make sense to the neighbor either, because Haleigh wasn't missing on that Monday morning, & the neighbor reminded RC of that!.....THEN RC said he must have been in running late, or that Haleigh may have spilled something on her clothes....

[panache]

i just did:ohmy:

thanks for the link

very interesting, what this neighbor Santos has to say, imo

I'll say. Wow. This is sounding dicey. Ron goes to Santos' house to ask his Dad for help with the DCYF. Sounds like he was worried, wanted a recommendation. I'm glad the Dad told him he was out of place. Another display of Ron's entitilement, asking someone to *fix it* for him.

It was interesting to hear the extent that DCYF is going to sort out the abuse allegations. I can understand now why it is taking longer than the normal 60 days. They even interviewed Amber.

moo

[4Kids]

you must not be reading the same link that i was reading..(the one FallenAngel posted)
it's clear as it can be...from reading this, & from witnesses at the bus stop, the morning & afternoon of - RC wasn't at the bus stop at all that day, with Haleigh

But he did drive by? What the heck? Other witnesses saw him there and saw haleigh in the yard after school. The witnesses in the case cloud the case as much as the family has. IMO

[4Kids]

I'll say. Wow. This is sounding dicey. Ron goes to Santos' house to ask his Dad for help with the DCYF. Sounds like he was worried, wanted a recommendation. I'm glad the Dad told him he was out of place. Another display of Ron's entitilement, asking someone to *fix it* for him.

It was interesting to hear the extent that DCYF is going to sort out the abuse allegations. I can understand now why it is taking longer than the normal 60 days. They even interviewed Amber.

moo

Did a DCYF employee confirm this stuff? Hope not. IMO

[panache]

it's becoming more & more clear to me...RC was upset with something, & it's my own opinion, that either he was upset with Haleigh OR, he was upset with Misty, & took it out on Haleigh, that Monday morning on the way to take her to school...

again, it's my own opinion

That's the way I'm reading it too Mel.

[Mel]

Yes I read the same one. I should have explained further; the neighbor said Ron told him that was the day Haleigh was missing. We know that isn't true. That's why this neighbor's statement makes no sense.

JMO

the neighbor's statement makes complete sense....RC couldn't remember what happened the last morning he saw his daughter alive:bored:

[4Kids]

the neighbor's statement makes complete sense....RC couldn't remember what happened the last morning he saw his daughter alive:bored:

She was at school. She was in her yard after school. So when did Ron do what you believe he did? Before work, but after school? Yet Haleigh and this guy's daughter went on the same bus, right? This case is tiring. MOO

[Mel]

I'll say. Wow. This is sounding dicey. Ron goes to Santos' house to ask his Dad for help with the DCYF. Sounds like he was worried, wanted a recommendation. I'm glad the Dad told him he was out of place. Another display of Ron's entitilement, asking someone to *fix it* for him.
It was interesting to hear the extent that DCYF is going to sort out the abuse allegations. I can understand now why it is taking longer than the normal 60 days. They even interviewed Amber.

moo

i know!:ohmy:

[panache]

I agree Mel and have more to add but AH is on JVM right now and I didn't record it, so I'll brb...

Oh please tell what AH and JVM say.

[JackiBlu]

Did a DCYF employee confirm this stuff? Hope not. IMO

In my opinion no way would a DCYF employee confirm anything to a reporter about an ongoing investigation. If in fact that did happen an attorney would have a field day with it in court.


JMO

[aproudmom]

RC claims he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop that Monday afternoon...there are witnesses that say that isn't true; Misty picked Haleigh up

eta...apparently RC wasn't at the bus stop AT ALL, on that Monday..he passed the bus stop, speeding, before any children ever got on the bus....taking Haleigh to school, it seems

i wonder why he was speeding...wonder if he was upset w/Haleigh??

do you think maybe he was in a hurry and was running late she could not miss anymore school right? but I thought it came out Misty took her..:confused:

[Mel]

In my opinion no way would a DCYF employee confirm anything to a reporter about an ongoing investigation. If in fact that did happen an attorney would have a field day with it in court.


JMO

an employee didn't - the employee's son did

are you reading the article?

[4Kids]

do you think maybe he was in a hurry and was running late she could not miss anymore school right? but I thought it came out Misty took her..:confused:

Yes...I am confused proud Mom. I guess he sped past Haleigh and Misty????

[panache]

She was at school. She was in her yard after school. So when did Ron do what you believe he did? Before work, but after school? Yet Haleigh and this guy's daughter went on the same bus, right? This case is tiring. MOO

Its not a sure bet that Haleigh was *in her yard after school*. Not one neighbor has identified themselves to verify that. The Cobra broadcast the other evening claims no one saw Haleigh after 3pm.

Cobra claims Misty's brother, nephew andd Donald Sapp were the only three spotted in the yard.
moo

[Texas48]

did anyone hear Mike Galantos of HLN?...I record it on vo and just now was listening..TJ said LE is tracking Chad Reynolds at this time. Someone went to LE and said something in regards to CR and a dumpster..could not make out a few words but TJ did say LE is tracing the Trash Collecting Co. and pursuing the leads that they rec. today ref CR...

[aproudmom]

In my opinion no way would a DCYF employee confirm anything to a reporter about an ongoing investigation. If in fact that did happen an attorney would have a field day with it in court.


JMO

omg no way they would lose their job

[4Kids]

an employee didn't - the employee's son did

are you reading the article?

I read it. A DCFY tells his son confidential info, and the son tells the press (AH)? Not good for the DCFY employee. Not good at all. Or it is bunk. MOO

[Mel]

do you think maybe he was in a hurry and was running late she could not miss anymore school right? but I thought it came out Misty took her..:confused:

well...he passed the bus stop, where the children were waiting on the bus, instead of dropping Haleigh off - so he wasn't in THAT big of a hurry, due to running late:confused:

he wasn't running late...he was angry about something, imo

[JackiBlu]

an employee didn't - the employee's son did

are you reading the article?

I'm talking about what people have supposedly told DCF and who had been interviewed by DCF per Art's article.

And YES I am reading the article!!!!

[aproudmom]

did anyone hear Mike Galantos of HLN?...I record it on vo and just now was listening..TJ said LE is tracking Chad Reynolds at this time. Someone went to LE and said something in regards to CR and a dumpster..could not make out a few words but TJ did say LE is tracing the Trash Collecting Co. and pursuing the leads that they rec. today ref CR...

yeah I did they said they are going to look at the dump sites IIRC the car he was driving was parked next to a dumpster

[4Kids]

Its not a sure bet that Haleigh was *in her yard after school*. Not one neighbor has identified themselves to verify that. The Cobra broadcast the other evening claims no one saw Haleigh after 3pm.

Cobra claims Misty's brother, nephew andd Donald Sapp were the only three spotted in the yard.
moo

I thought LE confirmed this early on via the timeline. Kinda of positive abotu this, but it has been awhile. . One of the few things they did confirm was the early evening timeline. MOO

[Mel]

I read it. A DCFY tells his son confidential info, and the son tells the press (AH)? Not good for the DCFY employee. Not good at all. Or it is bunk. MOO

omg, LOL :laugh:

i give up!

[panache]

Yes...I am confused proud Mom. I guess he sped past Haleigh and Misty????

This speeding happened on the way to school. Ron drove Haleigh to school that morning.

moo

[panache]

nothing on the video now...do you think the broadcast will be posted soon?

I hope there is a transcript. Its the first media appearance from LE in a long time. From the sounds of it, they are stepping up the heat.

moo

[4Kids]

This speeding happened on the way to school. Ron drove Haleigh to school that morning.

moo

And she went to school...and then.....that is the part I am missing, Panache. Really not trying to be thick here. Thanks for any help. MOO

[JackiBlu]

well...he passed the bus stop, where the children were waiting on the bus, instead of dropping Haleigh off - so he wasn't in THAT big of a hurry, due to running late:confused:

he wasn't running late...he was angry about something, imo

Oh my goodness. How do you get he was angry out of that.

JMO

[aproudmom]

well...he passed the bus stop, where the children were waiting on the bus, instead of dropping Haleigh off - so he wasn't in THAT big of a hurry, due to running late:confused:

he wasn't running late...he was angry about something, imo

ok is this on Arts site? sorry for having to ask..

[Mel]

Oh please tell what AH and JVM say.

i'm watching it - AH hasn't been on yet

[4Kids]

omg, LOL :laugh:

i give up!

OK. Just getting the facts, which is what I usually try to do.
IMO

[panache]

Art explained the connection of JW to NAY NAY and Amber and how JW was thinking of "turning his life around" and trying to find something about Haleigh but the leads he gave LE were a bust. Art did refer to him as an informant so that clears up the question of why he was transfered to another facility.

Jane showed a short clip of the latest Ron video. She also opened the segment with a story of a 4 year old girl who someone tried to abduct from her bed in the middle of the night and screamed bloody murder, woke up the parents and the guy got away. (They showed an artist sketch of him.) Jane made a point of the fact that Haleigh didn't make a sound during her alleged abduction.

A VERY good fact for Jane to bring up. We have often wondered why Haleigh and Junior were silent. Good for Jane to note that.

moo

[Mel]

Oh my goodness. How do you get he was angry out of that.

JMO

read my posts - i've posted what i think happened, all imo

[Mel]

Art explained the connection of JW to NAY NAY and Amber and how JW was thinking of "turning his life around" and trying to find something about Haleigh but the leads he gave LE were a bust. Art did refer to him as an informant so that clears up the question of why he was transfered to another facility.

Jane showed a short clip of the latest Ron video. She also opened the segment with a story of a 4 year old girl who someone tried to abduct from her bed in the middle of the night and screamed bloody murder, woke up the parents and the guy got away. (They showed an artist sketch of him.) Jane made a point of the fact that Haleigh didn't make a sound during her alleged abduction.

OOPS....i didn't get JVM turned on in time!..i'm sure glad YOU did though:smile:

thanks!

[4Kids]

A VERY good fact for Jane to bring up. We have often wondered why Haleigh and Junior were silent. Good for Jane to note that.

moo

That always bothered me about the Smart case, too. Still does. MOO

[FrankieBones1]

An excerpt from The Bald Truth

Santos says that Cummings was stunned, and on his way out, got hit again between the eyes with an impromptu question from his outspoken mother. “So what did Misty do with your child?” He didn’t respond, but Santos did take a moment to ask Cummings why he was driving so fast the day at the bus stop, when he almost hit his daughter.

“Haleigh was missing,” he says Ronald responded, implying he was distraught.

“No, Ronald, that was Haleigh’s last day at school. She didn’t go missing until the next day,” said Santos. Then he said it must have been because Haleigh had spilled something on her shirt and he was running late for school (even though the bus had yet to leave from the corner where Haleigh often caught it)
http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/the-bald-truth-on-cnn-jane-velez-mitchell/#more-2023

Isn't it odd that Santos didn't have Ron followed and arrested that morning? If someone sped recklessly in my neighborhood, nearly killing my kids, I'd be dialing 911. I wonder why Ron wasn't arrested that morning.

Anyone?

[aproudmom]

This speeding happened on the way to school. Ron drove Haleigh to school that morning.

moo

thanks I was afraid I was losing it..did he not say he took her to the bus stop and then someone said misty took her to the bus stop...aww I can not keep up with this case...or maybe I am thinking of him picking her up that afternoon...omg gonna scream:wink:

[4Kids]

yeah I did they said they are going to look at the dump sites IIRC the car he was driving was parked next to a dumpster

That is interesting. I would put more heat on CR's family. If LE had put the heat of Couey's family...Jessica would still be alive. MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I agree Mel and have more to add but AH is on JVM right now and I didn't record it, so I'll brb...

Missed it too ... anything new?

[panache]

And she went to school...and then.....that is the part I am missing, Panache. Really not trying to be thick here. Thanks for any help. MOO

*then* we don't know. Did Ron go home, did he go elsewhere. The point is, Ron drove Haleigh to school in a rush. Enough of a rush to put it mildly, that Santos the neighbor said he almost his his kids, who later were still bothered by the incident. In your absence, it has been revealed that neither Ron nor Teresa picked Haliegh up at the bus stop after school, but Misty did, in the blue van.

moo

[Mel]

ok is this on Arts site? sorry for having to ask..

here you go

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/the-bald-truth-on-cnn-jane-velez-mitchell/#more-2023

[4Kids]

An excerpt from The Bald Truth

Santos says that Cummings was stunned, and on his way out, got hit again between the eyes with an impromptu question from his outspoken mother. “So what did Misty do with your child?” He didn’t respond, but Santos did take a moment to ask Cummings why he was driving so fast the day at the bus stop, when he almost hit his daughter.

“Haleigh was missing,” he says Ronald responded, implying he was distraught.

“No, Ronald, that was Haleigh’s last day at school. She didn’t go missing until the next day,” said Santos. Then he said it must have been because Haleigh had spilled something on her shirt and he was running late for school (even though the bus had yet to leave from the corner where Haleigh often caught it)
http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/the-bald-truth-on-cnn-jane-velez-mitchell/#more-2023

Isn't it odd that Santos didn't have Ron followed and arrested that morning? If someone sped recklessly in my neighborhood, nearly killing my kids, I'd be dialing 911. I wonder why Ron wasn't arrested that morning.

Anyone?

If things seem factual with other factors backing it up, I beleive them. Until then....I call them possibilites. So far with this one, I am going for the latter. The CR info has me a lot more interested. However. I continue to beleive Ron, Crystal and Misty did not kill this child. MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

An excerpt from The Bald Truth

Santos says that Cummings was stunned, and on his way out, got hit again between the eyes with an impromptu question from his outspoken mother. “So what did Misty do with your child?” He didn’t respond, but Santos did take a moment to ask Cummings why he was driving so fast the day at the bus stop, when he almost hit his daughter.

“Haleigh was missing,” he says Ronald responded, implying he was distraught.

“No, Ronald, that was Haleigh’s last day at school. She didn’t go missing until the next day,” said Santos. Then he said it must have been because Haleigh had spilled something on her shirt and he was running late for school (even though the bus had yet to leave from the corner where Haleigh often caught it)
http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/14/the-bald-truth-on-cnn-jane-velez-mitchell/#more-2023

Isn't it odd that Santos didn't have Ron followed and arrested that morning? If someone sped recklessly in my neighborhood, nearly killing my kids, I'd be dialing 911. I wonder why Ron wasn't arrested that morning.

Anyone?

Hmmmm

Interesting ...

How far do they drive to the bus stop?

[FrankieBones1]

If things seem factual with other factors backing it up, I beleive them. Until then....I call them possibilites. So far with this one, I am going for the latter. The CR info has me a lot more interested. However. I continue to beleive Ron, Crystal and Misty did not kill this child. MOO

Well now, that is a refreshing opinion.

Do you think it could have been a sexual offender

[TaraCrazyHair]

If things seem factual with other factors backing it up, I beleive them. Until then....I call them possibilites. So far with this one, I am going for the latter. The CR info has me a lot more interested. However. I continue to beleive Ron, Crystal and Misty did not kill this child. MOO



Is there new info on Reynolds or he still missing/endangered and has a worried family?

[4Kids]

*then* we don't know. Did Ron go home, did he go elsewhere. The point is, Ron drove Haleigh to school in a rush. Enough of a rush to put it mildly, that Santos the neighbor said he almost his his kids, who later were still bothered by the incident. In your absence, it has been revealed that neither Ron nor Teresa picked Haliegh up at the bus stop after school, but Misty did, in the blue van.

moo

Thanks Panache. Would you be kind enough to address post 287 for me? Perhpas I will be in the same ballpark as everyone else? Thanks IMO

[Mel]

I hope there is a transcript. Its the first media appearance from LE in a long time. From the sounds of it, they are stepping up the heat.
moo

yes, it does....hmm, & then we have RC making a statement, via video, this morning

[FrankieBones1]

Hmmmm

Interesting ...

How far do they drive to the bus stop?

No idea, Tara but it must have been quite a distance since they didn't walk to the stop. I understand that Misty picked up Haleigh from the bus stop after school. I'm sure this can be collaborated by witnesses. I pray to God there are credible witnesses somewhere in this neighborhood.

[4Kids]

Is there new info on Reynolds or he still missing/endangered and has a worried family?

The FBI changed the missing endangered thing to absconded several weeks ago. MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

thanks I was afraid I was losing it..did he not say he took her to the bus stop and then someone said misty took her to the bus stop...aww I can not keep up with this case...or maybe I am thinking of him picking her up that afternoon...omg gonna scream:wink:

I am confused as well ... lol

I thought Misty said she took them TO the bus, Ron picked them up

Then we hear she took them TO the stop and picked them up


How hard is it for LE to nail down that one simple fact?