What is Cassey's best defense?

[ksk1]

I believe she did this, but I am concerned about the state's case. I dont think they should focus too much on her character before the child went missing, but I think they should focus on the fact that she did not report her daughter missing, the lies she told police, the smell in the car, forensic evidence in the car, some of her actions when she was "looking" for Caylee, some of the jail tapes in that she was not concerned about her daughter. I dont think they should use the tape of her in jail when "a child's" remains were found because I think the state blew that when they "tricked" her. What they did may be legal but they may invoke sympathy from the jury. Also, there are major problems with Cronk trying three times to find the remains. But is that reasonable doubt? The state should not make this case too complicated. Keep it simple, and convict.
For those of you who think she is innocent, what is your best case to get an acquittal?

[Dogmatic]

I don't know if Casey is guilty of killing her daughter.

That being said, the biggest strike against her is the 30 days between Caylee "missing" and police finding out. One has to wonder how long Casey would have actually waited, if her mother hadn't forced the issue.

Her best defense, imo, is to produce the person that was threatening her or scaring her into not reporting her daughter missing. If she produces that person, then perhaps reasonable doubt could raise it's head, however, the jury still has to accept the fact that a mother of a missing baby waited 30 long days and during that 30 day period, seemed to be having quite a happy time with friends and social activities. Basically, it's a train wreck.

The thirty days that allowed the killer a head start on police and decomposition to take it's toll on the evidence, comes back to bite the party hardy Mom who was "too scared" to notify police.

[puleeze09]

I believe she did this, but I am concerned about the state's case. I dont think they should focus too much on her character before the child went missing, but I think they should focus on the fact that she did not report her daughter missing, the lies she told police, the smell in the car, forensic evidence in the car, some of her actions when she was "looking" for Caylee, some of the jail tapes in that she was not concerned about her daughter. I dont think they should use the tape of her in jail when "a child's" remains were found because I think the state blew that when they "tricked" her. What they did may be legal but they may invoke sympathy from the jury. Also, there are major problems with Cronk trying three times to find the remains. But is that reasonable doubt? The state should not make this case too complicated. Keep it simple, and convict.
For those of you who think she is innocent, what is your best case to get an acquittal?

Innocent? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

It will be a cold day in hell before she is ever found innocent. Too much evidence against her. To those who think kronk had anything to do with this case other then finding the body then you should get your heads examined. He is not the killer as some of you wish he was so your beloved casey can be free.

[enigma]

Casey's "best" (or should I say only) defense? Cindy, at this stage.

Just my humble opinion.

[Dick Tracy]

I don't know if Casey is guilty of killing her daughter.

That being said, the biggest strike against her is the 30 days between Caylee "missing" and police finding out. One has to wonder how long Casey would have actually waited, if her mother hadn't forced the issue.

Her best defense, imo, is to produce the person that was threatening her or scaring her into not reporting her daughter missing. If she produces that person, then perhaps reasonable doubt could raise it's head, however, the jury still has to accept the fact that a mother of a missing baby waited 30 long days and during that 30 day period, seemed to be having quite a happy time with friends and social activities. Basically, it's a train wreck.

The thirty days that allowed the killer a head start on police and decomposition to take it's toll on the evidence, comes back to bite the party hardy Mom who was "too scared" to notify police.

When I first saw this thread, I looked at the thread starter just to make sure it wasn't Jose Baez solicitating for ideas. :scared:

Most of the evidence that we've seen or at least can clarify is largely circumstantial. But it is an incredible amount, almost as high as Mount Rainier. The jury will side with Caylee because of the multitude of lies that she told. And I also think it is imperative that the state show the character of Casey, and then paint a precision picture weaving lie after lie into the crime, and then tie it off nicely with some physical evidence.

I also think the state hasn't shown it's entire hand yet. I think they hardcore evidence that ties her to the crime, and we just haven't seen it.

[imc_e]

Casey has boxed herself into a first degree murder trial with a defense that no jury will accept.

Her best defense would be to confess what happened or suffer the fate that is coming down the pipe.

Guilty as charged, and that is just a matter of time.

Poor Caylee didn't stand a chance.

jmo

[spydernweb2006]

IMO Once Casey was at Universal with the Police looking for Her Office that didnt exist and at Sawgrass Apts looking for a non existant nannies apartment in an obviously vacant apartment, she became unvelievable on all counts. She has lied soooo much that even if at this late stage of the game IF she decided to tell the truth, noone would believe her, especially a jury. Casey and Her Parents/Family have only themselves to blame for any ramifications the courts give them for the death of Caylee, because even IF they didnt ( I personally believe they DID) cause Caylee's death they sure covered up any crimes with their lies.

NO JURY is gonna buy anything that comes outta Casey or her Parent's mouths, they have just lied too much and smeared too much bull manure to ever be seen by anyone as innocent or even caring about true justice for Caylee. Playing devil's advocate even if someone else had killed Caylee, Casey and Her parents have made such a mockery and mess of the investigation that noone would realistically buy any other theories without some very direct and overwhelming evidence that another person other then Casey did it and her Parents are covering for her. So even IF someone else had killed Caylee or if it were an accident Casey and her Parents have negated any presumption of innocence and consideration in the eyes of the public. I highly doubt any jury is gonna be very sympathetic to Casey when they see the remains photos and know that while that poor baby was tossed away. OC was partying and playing house with TonE.

Personally I think the whole family has some serious mental issues, far beyond what we can comprehend. I just cannot get my mind around how can you be partying and having fun with your baby dead in the trunk of your car, or a Family member that would cover for such behavior.

I gonna go hug my grandkids and say a prayer for Caylee. My heart aches.....


JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[enigma]

When I first saw this thread, I looked at the thread starter just to make sure it wasn't Jose Baez solicitating for ideas. :scared:

Most of the evidence that we've seen or at least can clarify is largely circumstantial. But it is an incredible amount, almost as high as Mount Rainier. The jury will side with Caylee because of the multitude of lies that she told. And I also think it is imperative that the state show the character of Casey, and then paint a precision picture weaving lie after lie into the crime, and then tie it off nicely with some physical evidence.

I also think the state hasn't shown it's entire hand yet. I think they hardcore evidence that ties her to the crime, and we just haven't seen it.

Bolding mine. I have always believed and maintained that... :)

Just as a quick summary...

Caylee goes "missing" not once, but twice, first on June 9, then on June 15

Mother of the year keeps quiet about it for 31 days because she's using her own resources to find her "missing" daughter. I wonder whether she really expects anyone to believe she expected to find her daughter on the dancing floor or under the lounges at Fusian, or in the tattoo parlor, or in the shop where she bought lingerie and clothes for herself only, with money she stole from her friend.

Mother of the year researches chloroform/cloraform :biggrin: and how to make it, with significant traces of chloroform found in the trunk of her car, as well as hair identified as her daughter's, and shown to exhibit bands on it which are indicative of her being dead when placed/stored in the trunk

Caylee's remains in a state of decomposition (skeletal remains only), consistent with the length of time she had been "missing" and the environment where she was discarded

The ME's conclusion of murder, despite the absence of any soft tissue (or maybe even because of it, at least in part)

the duct tape on Caylee's skull (and heart sticker) - did she say something she was not supposed to? did she make too much noise while mommy was texting/talking to TonE until all hours that morning?

the desperate comment about the smell of death/decomp in Casey's car, right before it became an even more desperate attempt to retract or otherwise justify it

the pathetic attempts of the parents to reinvent CMA almost as fast as she's destroying herself and everyone else she still can, having already done it to "that child"?

Is that enough?

JMHO

[Katprint]

This thread on Casey's "BEST DEFENSE" is deteriorating into why there is no best defense. It may be true that there really is no great defense and the best Casey can hope for is a mediocre defense. Presumably the point of this thread is to discuss what those mediocre defenses might be.

So let's throw some mud at the wall and see what sticks:

(1) Cindy did it. Cindy is every bit as much connected to all of the physical evidence discovered to date i.e. the trash bags, laundry hamper, duct tape, scrapbooking stickers came from her house. Cindy is a co-owner of the smelly car and has keys to it. Caylee's body was discovered close to Cindy's residence. Plus, Casey's defense team may have some (somewhat unreliable) witness testimony that Caylee's body was not placed in the nearby overgrown vacant lot until after Casey had been put back in custody, but Cindy was not in custody and could have placed Caylee's body there.

Granted, there are definitely problems with this theory that have to be addressed. Casey's lies about nanny ZFG, "ugly coping" etc. will have to be spun to something like Casey was not initially worried about Caylee because Casey left Caylee with Cindy (who was previously Caylee's primary babysitter to the point of complaining about it to Cindy's coworkers), that Cindy called 9-1-1 to frame Casey, that Casey lied to protect her beloved mother Cindy, and generally that Casey is a victim and Cindy is a monster in sheep's clothing.

(2) Organized Crime Did It In a surprise manuever, the defense may allege that Casey was working as a prostitute or drug mule or other illegal scandalous jobs, that Casey balked at continuing further criminal activities, and that Caylee was taken hostage to keep Casey in line. Then, when the police got involved looking for Caylee, these bad guys murdered Caylee and dumped her body near Casey's house expecting it to be found sooner than it was. The duct tape and heart sticker across Caylee's mouth was a warning to Casey to keep her mouth shut or face the same fate. Casey would continue to blame her lies, failure to report Caylee missing, etc. on trying to protect her family from these bad guys.

Amazingly enough there are actually real-life cases of children being taken from their parents as hostages for their parents' conduct, including a rare slavery case prosecuted about 10 years ago in central California where children of undocumented workers were taken to prevent the workers from shirking/demanding to be paid/escaping from the farm compound. The workers were permitted monthly visits with their children so that they could satisfy themselves concerning their children's continued wellbeing, but the workers were constantly threatened that their children would be harmed if the workers caused any trouble.

(3) A different babysitter did it A variation on the illicit career theme, Casey may claim that she left Caylee with some random prostitute/drug dealer/other virtual stranger while Casey was making money doing whatever illegal activities. Then Casey stole from them or stiffed them and they kept Caylee as a hostage/collateral, then killed Caylee when things got too hot.

(4) Insanity/Diminished Capacity Casey may admit to having caused Caylee's death but bring in experts to testify that Casey was not in her right mind at that moment due to psychosis, intoxication, brain disease, whatever. Then, when Casey returned to lucidity, she freaked out and hid Caylee's body as it was later found. Explanations for the location, the heart sticker, etc. will be spun to reflect great emotional turmoil and remorse.

(5) Accidental Death Again, Casey may admit that Caylee's death happened while Caylee was under Casey's care, but purely by accident i.e. accidental strangulation on a venetian blind cord, or accidental drowning, or accidental poisoning or some other accident perhaps while Casey was sleeping when she should have been watching Caylee. Then, when Casey discovered Caylee's death, Casey freaked out.

(6) Manslaughter or Second Degree Murder but not First Degree Murder Per (5) above except the accident was the direct result of Casey's criminal abuse/neglect i.e. chloroforming or duct-taping Caylee to keep her quiet and/or sticking Caylee in the car trunk where she suffocated or died of heat in mid-June Orlando summer temperatures.


That's pretty much all I can think of off the top of my head. I will add additional mediocre defenses as I think of them.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Dogmatic]

Katprint,

Well done!

Casey will have to produce "Zanny" or at the very least a cell phone number for said person, whether that person is a drug dealer, ****, or whatever.

IMO, that's her only hope of a defense.

[Susie419]

Katprint, imo, your #4 should have been pled as her defense.
Jose B. isn't worried about getting her off, he's only interested in his own fame. Any defense atty. who really wanted to have a remote chance should have talked her into taking a plea, and admitting that she lost it, lost control, then freaked out, and being the immature empty headed twit that she is, frantically disposed of Caylee, washed her hands of it, and denied everything for fear of Cindy's wrath.
I think a jury would have more compassion and even understanding of those circumstances of this defense, and instead of lethal injection or life, she may get 20 years with parole possibility, and mental health counseling while in prison.
The way it is now, the lies piled upon more lies only make her more despicable and hated by nearly everyone, and she'll probably get a harsh sentence, even death.
If she:closedeyes: were my daughter, I'd use every method of coersion possible to talk her into confessing for a lighter sentence, now I think it's just Too Late!

[Barbara fl.]

[B]There is no defense here......she needs to plead guilty and save herself and her family any further pain and Florida money...


She is just wasting time...the end will surely justify what she has done../B]

[Barbara fl.]

Katprint, imo, your #4 should have been pled as her defense.
Jose B. isn't worried about getting her off, he's only interested in his own fame. Any defense atty. who really wanted to have a remote chance should have talked her into taking a plea, and admitting that she lost it, lost control, then freaked out, and being the immature empty headed twit that she is, frantically disposed of Caylee, washed her hands of it, and denied everything for fear of Cindy's wrath.
I think a jury would have more compassion and even understanding of those circumstances of this defense, and instead of lethal injection or life, she may get 20 years with parole possibility, and mental health counseling while in prison.
The way it is now, the lies piled upon more lies only make her more despicable and hated by nearly everyone, and she'll probably get a harsh sentence, even death.
If she:closedeyes: were my daughter, I'd use every method of coersion possible to talk her into confessing for a lighter sentence, now I think it's just Too Late!


Exactly and the difference would have been 7 years vs life or the DP....

[avalonfox]

This thread on Casey's "BEST DEFENSE" is deteriorating into why there is no best defense. It may be true that there really is no great defense and the best Casey can hope for is a mediocre defense. Presumably the point of this thread is to discuss what those mediocre defenses might be.

So let's throw some mud at the wall and see what sticks:

That's pretty much all I can think of off the top of my head. I will add additional mediocre defenses as I think of them.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

(respectfully snipped)

I think you covered any and all possibilities...but am wondering how the phone call from Caylee on July 15th is going to be explained. since they know she never received a call from anyone they don't know on that day from her records. Why the lie?
Jury might half listen to any of those you mentioned...until they throw in that phone call...then they won't listen at all.

(in my opinion)

[Katprint]

(respectfully snipped)

I think you covered any and all possibilities...but am wondering how the phone call from Caylee on July 15th is going to be explained. since they know she never received a call from anyone they don't know on that day from her records. Why the lie?
Jury might half listen to any of those you mentioned...until they throw in that phone call...then they won't listen at all.

(in my opinion)
The lie about the phone call on July 15 is going to be explained like all the other lies, i.e. that Casey lied (scenario 1) to protect Cindy from law enforcement at the risk of her own freedom 'cause Casey is such a saint that way, or (scenarios 2 and 3) Casey lied to protect Cindy and/or Caylee from the bad guys' retribution, or (scenarios 4, 5 and 6) that the lies were part of Casey's psychotic break and/or freaked-out cover-up.

[enigma]

The lie about the phone call on July 15 is going to be explained like all the other lies, i.e. that Casey lied (scenario 1) to protect Cindy from law enforcement at the risk of her own freedom 'cause Casey is such a saint that way, or (scenarios 2 and 3) Casey lied to protect Cindy and/or Caylee from the bad guys' retribution, or (scenarios 4, 5 and 6) that the lies were part of Casey's psychotic break and/or freaked-out cover-up.

I understand that you're giving us a taste of the possible defense strategies and always appreciate input from posters with legal training in matters of the practical application of the law.

My problem with Casey's story (and what the defense has to accommodate) is that it's never limited to one lie, or two or 10... they just kept popping out like mushrooms after the rain.

I don't envy the defense at all.

I just don't think they have one, or two, or ten, or however many more excuses or reasons to cater for the ever-changing and never-ending stories and excuses coming from every direction every which way from not just Casey, now... but team Anthony. Small team, huge efforts. Will that be lost on the jury, any jury, once they are presented with the same documents, transcripts, depositions, and forensic evidence that we have read/seen so far? (I've always maintained LE have more, and I haven't had a reason to change my opinion on that yet).

Just my worthless opinion, though...

[aproudmom]

They have already started in picking her defense IMO not Guilty and Ugly coping defense..that is just how it will be played out..she did not do it she knew about it but her partying and 31 days of waiting was her way of coping lawyers are already talking about this coping defense even compared it to Cynthia Sommers that got a b**b job and slept around went on shopping sprees after her husband died..they found her guilty but it was over turned and now we are hearing she was never guilty just ugly coping of a traumatic loss..the only problem is KC will never say it was a accident they would need to put her on the stand..OMG I would fly to be there to see that one...or say she knew about it just did not do it herself..SHE HAS NO DEFENSE IMO...they have stuck with the Zanny the Nanny bad bad move IMO and remember CA saying it was her way of COPING the other night on LKL..


Casey did this to herself and if I was her lawyers and family I would have said along time ago beg for a plea..I am not so sure I am happy about DP only because she is young and no record of violence and the State has got to really put everything they can to make her out as EVIL as she is..I really wish they would have just went for LWOP..in FL she would never walk out it is just that LIFE..I have no doubt she did it and she is GUILTY but I will not be on that jury knowing it is up to me to determine if she gets the needle it is much harder IMO for jurors and she will look like the pretty little school teacher in that courtroom not someone with prison tats on their face and a record as long as they are tall and if anyone can say that does not matter I would have to disagree seen way to many trials and listened to viewer and lawyers on how it effects the out come of a DP trial even one against a child..and it is sad but it is the world we live in.....JMO..ALL I WANT IS JUSTICE 4 CAYLEE.

[Katprint]

I thought of another mediocre defense scenario:

(7) Caylee Kidnapped by Complete Stranger. Along the lines of a Polly Klaus/Jon Benet Ramsey-style kidnapping, a complete stranger broke into the Anthony residence and took Caylee while Casey was asleep there during the day (remember, TonE said Casey used to go there while George and Cindy were at work like the time she took frozen food from the Anthonys' freezer and brought it over to TonE's house), exhausted from staying up all night partying. When Casey woke up, Caylee was simply gone. Maybe there was even some sort of note from the kidnapper. Casey was not overly concerned because Casey thought Cindy had come home unexpectedly, had seen Casey sleeping and had taken Caylee to "teach Casey a lesson" and in retaliation Casey decided to "teach Cindy a lesson" by vanishing and thereby dumping all the responsibility for taking care of Caylee onto Cindy. In the meantime, Cindy thought Casey was "teaching Cindy a lesson" by withholding Caylee. Casey's references to a nanny were derisively intended to mock Cindy by implying that Cindy was now Caylee's nanny, but Cindy took them at face value to imply that Cindy had been replaced in Caylee's life.

It took about a month for Casey to realize that Cindy did not have Caylee but rather Caylee must have been kidnapped by a complete stranger. Cindy still did not realize this until after Cindy had caused Casey to be arrested but Casey did not produce Caylee, at which time Cindy finally truly believed that Casey was not just hiding Caylee from Cindy out of spite.

The forensic evidence tying Caylee's remains to the Anthony evidence would be explained by the kidnapper basically improvising with the items he found there in the Anthony residence. Consistent with the most common serial child rapist/murder profile, the kidnapper sexually assaulted Caylee, murdered her then dumped her body in the vacant lot on his way out of the neighborhood.

I know it's not a great defense theory and there are big holes in it. Possibly it might be plausible enough to create some "doubt" though.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[*Spike*]

I believe her best defense would be, to be completly honest & confess what she has done and hope that the jury would spare her life in the process. Yes i know, That will never happen, Casey will never tell the truth. She really has no good defense. She's going down. I think the jury will spare her life either way. But i could be wrong. IMO/JMO

Justice for Caylee !

[courtsinsession]

I thought of another mediocre defense scenario:

(7) Caylee Kidnapped by Complete Stranger. Along the lines of a Polly Klaus/Jon Benet Ramsey-style kidnapping, a complete stranger broke into the Anthony residence and took Caylee while Casey was asleep there during the day (remember, TonE said Casey used to go there while George and Cindy were at work like the time she took frozen food from the Anthonys' freezer and brought it over to TonE's house), exhausted from staying up all night partying. When Casey woke up, Caylee was simply gone. Maybe there was even some sort of note from the kidnapper. Casey was not overly concerned because Casey thought Cindy had come home unexpectedly, had seen Casey sleeping and had taken Caylee to "teach Casey a lesson" and in retaliation Casey decided to "teach Cindy a lesson" by vanishing and thereby dumping all the responsibility for taking care of Caylee onto Cindy. In the meantime, Cindy thought Casey was "teaching Cindy a lesson" by withholding Caylee. Casey's references to a nanny were derisively intended to mock Cindy by implying that Cindy was now Caylee's nanny, but Cindy took them at face value to imply that Cindy had been replaced in Caylee's life.

It took about a month for Casey to realize that Cindy did not have Caylee but rather Caylee must have been kidnapped by a complete stranger. Cindy still did not realize this until after Cindy had caused Casey to be arrested but Casey did not produce Caylee, at which time Cindy finally truly believed that Casey was not just hiding Caylee from Cindy out of spite.

The forensic evidence tying Caylee's remains to the Anthony evidence would be explained by the kidnapper basically improvising with the items he found there in the Anthony residence. Consistent with the most common serial child rapist/murder profile, the kidnapper sexually assaulted Caylee, murdered her then dumped her body in the vacant lot on his way out of the neighborhood.

I know it's not a great defense theory and there are big holes in it. Possibly it might be plausible enough to create some "doubt" though.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Katprint: I admire that you are able to see all of the possibilities in this case from the standpoint of the defense; i have no doubt that you are a successfl attorney; good job.

[itsjustme]

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We all know the saying "Innocent Until Proven Guily". in this case it's not just the circumstantial evidence but the forensic evidence that shows she is "guilty" prior to the trial.

How this woman finds a "venue" truly able to sit a jury is beyond me. I live in South Florida and last I heard the trial was being moved here.

I certainly think with everything publicized on TV and the internet she is guilty. Let's hope the jury who sits on her trial does also.


I don't know if Casey is guilty of killing her daughter.

That being said, the biggest strike against her is the 30 days between Caylee "missing" and police finding out. One has to wonder how long Casey would have actually waited, if her mother hadn't forced the issue.

Her best defense, imo, is to produce the person that was threatening her or scaring her into not reporting her daughter missing. If she produces that person, then perhaps reasonable doubt could raise it's head, however, the jury still has to accept the fact that a mother of a missing baby waited 30 long days and during that 30 day period, seemed to be having quite a happy time with friends and social activities. Basically, it's a train wreck.

The thirty days that allowed the killer a head start on police and decomposition to take it's toll on the evidence, comes back to bite the party hardy Mom who was "too scared" to notify police.

[Katprint]

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We all know the saying "Innocent Until Proven Guily". in this case it's not just the circumstantial evidence but the forensic evidence that shows she is "guilty" prior to the trial.

How this woman finds a "venue" truly able to sit a jury is beyond me. I live in South Florida and last I heard the trial was being moved here.

I certainly think with everything publicized on TV and the internet she is guilty. Let's hope the jury who sits on her trial does also.
With respect, this thread is not supposed to be about the reasons why Casey is clearly guilty. The original poster asked, "For those of you who think she is innocent, what is your best case to get an acquittal?"

Maybe I shouldn't have posted my scenarios because I do not belong to the group of people who "thinks she is innocent." I posted them primarily because it did not look like people were coming up with much that might support an acquittal and I hoped to get the ball rolling.

So, does anyone out there think Casey is innocent? We're waiting to hear what Casey's best defense is from you!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[*Spike*]

there probably isnt anyone on this board that believe's casey didnt do it. JMO

[Details]

The thing is - the best defense, in this case, won't be something that will get her off. That simply does not exist - too many lies, it's just too obvious she knew what had happened.

So, the best defense she should be looking for is the one that reduces her responsibility as much as possible. And that would be the 'accidental death and panicked disposal of the body' scenario. Hope for far lesser charges off of that.

I don't think it's what happened, and I don't hope she gets it - but I think that's their best possible defense. However - if they try it - I'd love to see charges brought up for what she did to that lady she accused of taking Caylee. It's a double-edged sword - this is the defense most likely to minimize jail time - but they'd have to admit to lying, and that could lead to some other charges.

[Gaelsong]

Have been closely following this case for some time, and agree with above posters, she is definitely guilty, but I do believe she has severe pathology, including narcissistic & sociopathic behavior. The web of lies she created,living in her self-created parallel universe, with not one real honest relationship in her life (except perhaps with her dead daughter) left her isolated from reality. Which leads me to two possible defenses 1: Some form of diminished capacity, (she knows right from wrong)so can not use insanity defense.. . Even stress induced something, created by the highly controlling mother,
Or 2: Taking a plea, and admitting there was an accident, may save her life. With all the lies she has told, she could say she drowned, even if she was murdered, and they may not be able to prove otherwise. The more Baez does, the less her chances of avoiding the DP, IMO, because of his ineptitude.

[Katprint]

The thing is - the best defense, in this case, won't be something that will get her off. That simply does not exist - too many lies, it's just too obvious she knew what had happened.

So, the best defense she should be looking for is the one that reduces her responsibility as much as possible. And that would be the 'accidental death and panicked disposal of the body' scenario. Hope for far lesser charges off of that.
<respectfully snipped>
I completely agree with you about Casey's lying has done her in. Unfortunately, as we saw in the amazing Universal Studios bringing-the-police-to-the-office-that-wasn't-there fiasco, Casey will keep on lying to the bitter end even as people warn her about the impending doom that she is bringing down upon herself.

It would have been better if Casey had said nothing rather than tell a pack of lies; then a good attorney probably could have negotiated down the charges even if Casey had done something reprehensible - for example - like Cathy Smith, the drug dealer who killed John Belushi by injecting him with 11 speedballs (a combination of heroin and cocaine) causing a lethal overdose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Smith Cathy Smith was charged with felony murder and 13 counts of administering cocaine and heroin, and if she had elaborately lied, stolen money from Belushi, hidden Belushi's remains or otherwise led police to believe the overdose was premeditated then she might have even faced the death penalty. Ms. Smith's willingness to admit the truth allowed her attorney to negotiate a plea to Involuntary Manslaughter plus some drug offenses, and she served only 15 months in prison.

At this point, I don't know that Casey would be believed even if she admitted the truth. Nevertheless, I think her Best Defense will be one that has some basis in reality rather than bogus made-up stories or merely challenging the adequacy of the prosecution's case.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[margaritaville]

casey's "best" (or should i say only) defense? Cindy, at this stage.

Just my humble opinion.

ita.....

Moo

[Dells]

The thing is - the best defense, in this case, won't be something that will get her off. That simply does not exist - too many lies, it's just too obvious she knew what had happened.

So, the best defense she should be looking for is the one that reduces her responsibility as much as possible. And that would be the 'accidental death and panicked disposal of the body' scenario. Hope for far lesser charges off of that.

I don't think it's what happened, and I don't hope she gets it - but I think that's their best possible defense. However - if they try it - I'd love to see charges brought up for what she did to that lady she accused of taking Caylee. It's a double-edged sword - this is the defense most likely to minimize jail time - but they'd have to admit to lying, and that could lead to some other charges.

I so agree w/you! I think Casey's ONLY defense would have been to limit her responsibility as well. In this case it is so glaringly obvious that Casey is guilty, and I think the only way that any defense could have been mounted was at the very beginning before all the lies started and the media spotlight descended on this case.

In the beginning, when she was first caught after Cindy made those 911 phone calls, she should have admitted to what happened. She could have said it was an accident and admitted to some sort of cover up because she panicked and wanted to make it look like someone else did it. She could have said that she feared the wrath of her overbearing, controlling mother.

But, that didn't happen. The lies started, and the "Dream Team" stepped forward. If Casey herself is not the one responsible for perpetuating this farce, then her defense team is the biggest group of arrogant and inept defense attorneys that I have ever seen. They have done their client absolutely no favors, and they have almost guaranteed her a minimum of LWOP.

It's too late to go w/any other defense now, except what Casey has been spouting w/all of her lies. They have to go w/the fake, invisible, non-existent nanny did it. It will ultimately be her downfall.

I also think it is too late to go w/the Cindy drove her to do it line of defense as well. Cindy has been out in the media continuing all of Casey's lies, and she has said time and time again how close her and Casey are and how they are best friends and everything. She also is maintaining Casey's innocence almost as strongly as Casey is.

I just wonder what would have happened in this case if Casey started telling the truth from day 1 (well day 31 really) and the case didn't reach the national and international spotlight like it has. I wonder if she would have been able to admit to a tragic accident and then somehow gotten away w/minimal prison time, probation, and mental health help. Katprint's example of the punishment that Cathy Smith got really makes me wonder if Casey and her defense team could have negotiated something similar.

In the end though, w/all the evidence that I have seen, I think this was a premeditated murder, so I think in the end Casey will get exactly what she deserves. I just wonder how many others that really are guilty of 1st degree murder are able to deal it down to something much less by cooperating w/the authorities.

I think this case should be a huge lesson to those that find themselves in a similar situation of how NOT to do things. I think their main error in all of this was Casey, her family, and her defense team trying to get her off scott-free, w/out taking any responsibility at all. It was a HUGE mistake. In the end she will pay very dearly for it, and I think she will spend many years in prison really regretting how her case was handled. Even if Casey is able to get any appeals, I think ultimately her punishment will stand.

[Albini]

I thought of another mediocre defense scenario:

(7) Caylee Kidnapped by Complete Stranger. Along the lines of a Polly Klaus/Jon Benet Ramsey-style kidnapping, a complete stranger broke into the Anthony residence and took Caylee while Casey was asleep there during the day (remember, TonE said Casey used to go there while George and Cindy were at work like the time she took frozen food from the Anthonys' freezer and brought it over to TonE's house), exhausted from staying up all night partying. When Casey woke up, Caylee was simply gone. Maybe there was even some sort of note from the kidnapper. Casey was not overly concerned because Casey thought Cindy had come home unexpectedly, had seen Casey sleeping and had taken Caylee to "teach Casey a lesson" and in retaliation Casey decided to "teach Cindy a lesson" by vanishing and thereby dumping all the responsibility for taking care of Caylee onto Cindy. In the meantime, Cindy thought Casey was "teaching Cindy a lesson" by withholding Caylee. Casey's references to a nanny were derisively intended to mock Cindy by implying that Cindy was now Caylee's nanny, but Cindy took them at face value to imply that Cindy had been replaced in Caylee's life.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

You know that is an interesting theory. And If you set aside the car decomp it may work.

But with the car decomp, its not gonna fly.

[MrsHudson]

I thought of another mediocre defense scenario:

(7) Caylee Kidnapped by Complete Stranger. Along the lines of a Polly Klaus/Jon Benet Ramsey-style kidnapping, a complete stranger broke into the Anthony residence and took Caylee while Casey was asleep there during the day (remember, TonE said Casey used to go there while George and Cindy were at work like the time she took frozen food from the Anthonys' freezer and brought it over to TonE's house), exhausted from staying up all night partying. When Casey woke up, Caylee was simply gone.

...................I know it's not a great defense theory and there are big holes in it. Possibly it might be plausible enough to create some "doubt" though.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


Yeah but Kat are you saying that the defense can make up or invent or theorize something that might have or could have happened (knowing very well that it did not happen) and present that it actually did happen? I don't get that. It seems dishonest!!!

[Katprint]

Yeah but Kat are you saying that the defense can make up or invent or theorize something that might have or could have happened (knowing very well that it did not happen) and present that it actually did happen? I don't get that. It seems dishonest!!!
Do I detect sarcasm?

Yes, it is common for criminal defendants to insist on a defense that is not what actually happened. A defense attorney has no personal knowledge of what actually happened (it is extraordinarily rare for the defense attorney to have been present at the time that the charged offense occurred - and they are required to decline cases where they might be called as a percipient witness.) There is no ethical obligation not to present a plausible defense that might have happened or could have happened.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[BlueHeron]

This thread on Casey's "BEST DEFENSE" is deteriorating into why there is no best defense. It may be true that there really is no great defense and the best Casey can hope for is a mediocre defense. Presumably the point of this thread is to discuss what those mediocre defenses might be.

So let's throw some mud at the wall and see what sticks:

(1) Cindy did it.
(2) Organized Crime Did It
(3) A different babysitter did it
(4) Insanity/Diminished Capacity
(5) Accidental Death
(6) Manslaughter or Second Degree Murder but not First Degree Murder Per (5) above except the accident was the direct result of Casey's criminal abuse/neglect

That's pretty much all I can think of off the top of my head. I will add additional mediocre defenses as I think of them.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
<respectful snipping>

It seems to me that all of these, with the exception of #4 would require KC to testify. I can't see how any of those other scenarios could be presented to the jury without KC saying that's what happened. Am I right, or is it possible without her on the stand?

[Katprint]

<respectful snipping>

It seems to me that all of these, with the exception of #4 would require KC to testify. I can't see how any of those other scenarios could be presented to the jury without KC saying that's what happened. Am I right, or is it possible without her on the stand?
If some other potential culprit comes forward and says, "I did it!" then Casey might not need to testify. For example, if Cindy decides to sacrifice herself for Casey and claim responsibility for Caylee's death, that would probably create enough "reasonable doubt" for an acquittal.

Or, if the defense develops some really compelling evidence that someone else murdered Caylee then that might suffice. I have previously described the statutory rape case my office worked on where the brother of the "victim" sold us her diary which detailed her plot to falsely accuse her schoolteacher of sexual misconduct then sue the school district for a pile of money after he was wrongfully convicted of the crime. In the Anthony case, if the defense obtains something equally compelling such as a registered pedophile sex offender's journal describing his abduction and murder of Caylee plus some piece of physical evidence connecting him to Caylee or the Anthony residence, or a surveillance videotape which clearly shows Caylee with someone other than Casey after June 16, 2008, then Casey's testimony would probably not be necessary.

However, if Casey's defense focuses on the degree of culpability rather than the identity of the person responsible, then Casey would probably have to testify about what happened.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[BlueHeron]

If some other potential culprit comes forward and says, "I did it!" then Casey might not need to testify. For example, if Cindy decides to sacrifice herself for Casey and claim responsibility for Caylee's death, that would probably create enough "reasonable doubt" for an acquittal.

Or, if the defense develops some really compelling evidence that someone else murdered Caylee then that might suffice. I have previously described the statutory rape case my office worked on where the brother of the "victim" sold us her diary which detailed her plot to falsely accuse her schoolteacher of sexual misconduct then sue the school district for a pile of money after he was wrongfully convicted of the crime. In the Anthony case, if the defense obtains something equally compelling such as a registered pedophile sex offender's journal describing his abduction and murder of Caylee plus some piece of physical evidence connecting him to Caylee or the Anthony residence, or a surveillance videotape which clearly shows Caylee with someone other than Casey after June 16, 2008, then Casey's testimony would probably not be necessary.

However, if Casey's defense focuses on the degree of culpability rather than the identity of the person responsible, then Casey would probably have to testify about what happened.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I would think though, if any compelling evidence pointing toward another culprit existed, that we would have heard about it. I very much doubt that Cindy or anyone else (maybe Lee CMAAAA) will fall on a sword for KC.

In the absence of say, the "perp's" confession or videotape, let's say something more along the lines of "there are hairs and fibers on the duct tape that have not been matched to anything in the car or the A's". I would not think that's enough without KC saying she lent the car, or the car was stolen, and/or someone has a key to the A house, and/or she lent someone her duct tape and laundry bag (or they were stored in the car at some point).

Mystery hairs/fibers without anything to point them towards is very weak. Maybe if one of the A's gets up on the stand and tells some whoppers, like "I saw someone matching zfg driving kc's car out of the garage", or "Jesse Grund has a house key and he borrowed the car & we saw him", then I think without KC saying SOMETHING, the defense is sunk.

Maybe putting her on the stand is the best defense. Sure, she'll get ripped to shreds on credibility, but she can say "I lied because I was afraid of the mob, yada yada yada" and "Yes I lied, but that doesn't mean I'm not telling the truth now", etc... We all know she can lie and lie and lie without breaking a sweat. If anyone can keep their composure under cross and keep lying it's her. JMO

[~kaRN]

Bursting into tears during the defense opening statement and crying to the judge and jury 'I'm so sorry. I'm the worst person in the world. I deserve to die for not protecting my daughter. I can't put my parents through this anymore. I'll plead guilty your honor.'

That might save her life.

[Booklover]

Bursting into tears during the defense opening statement and crying to the judge and jury 'I'm so sorry. I'm the worst person in the world. I deserve to die for not protecting my daughter. I can't put my parents through this anymore. I'll plead guilty your honor.'

That might save her life.

That's pretty good, kaRN! :laugh: Unfortunately, that will never happen. Casey won't ever acknowledge that she did anything wrong. George & Cindy won't, and Casey certainly won't either. It's a really sad situation no matter how you look at it. :crying:

[~kaRN]

That's pretty good, kaRN! :laugh: Unfortunately, that will never happen. Casey won't ever acknowledge that she did anything wrong. George & Cindy won't, and Casey certainly won't either. It's a really sad situation no matter how you look at it. :crying:

I know it won't happen but I can dream!! LOL! The truth and Casey are strangers.

[Booklover]

I know it won't happen but I can dream!! LOL! The truth and Casey are strangers.

That's true, kaRN! :smile: We all have our dreams. You shouldn't use the word "truth", and Casey's name in the same sentence. Ooops! I did it too! :laugh: I hope that Caylee haunts Casey's every waking moment, and that she has nightmares for the rest of her life. :angry:

[ksk1]

I so agree w/you! I think Casey's ONLY defense would have been to limit her responsibility as well. In this case it is so glaringly obvious that Casey is guilty, and I think the only way that any defense could have been mounted was at the very beginning before all the lies started and the media spotlight descended on this case.

In the beginning, when she was first caught after Cindy made those 911 phone calls, she should have admitted to what happened. She could have said it was an accident and admitted to some sort of cover up because she panicked and wanted to make it look like someone else did it. She could have said that she feared the wrath of her overbearing, controlling mother.

But, that didn't happen. The lies started, and the "Dream Team" stepped forward. If Casey herself is not the one responsible for perpetuating this farce, then her defense team is the biggest group of arrogant and inept defense attorneys that I have ever seen. They have done their client absolutely no favors, and they have almost guaranteed her a minimum of LWOP.

It's too late to go w/any other defense now, except what Casey has been spouting w/all of her lies. They have to go w/the fake, invisible, non-existent nanny did it. It will ultimately be her downfall.

I also think it is too late to go w/the Cindy drove her to do it line of defense as well. Cindy has been out in the media continuing all of Casey's lies, and she has said time and time again how close her and Casey are and how they are best friends and everything. She also is maintaining Casey's innocence almost as strongly as Casey is.

I just wonder what would have happened in this case if Casey started telling the truth from day 1 (well day 31 really) and the case didn't reach the national and international spotlight like it has. I wonder if she would have been able to admit to a tragic accident and then somehow gotten away w/minimal prison time, probation, and mental health help. Katprint's example of the punishment that Cathy Smith got really makes me wonder if Casey and her defense team could have negotiated something similar.

In the end though, w/all the evidence that I have seen, I think this was a premeditated murder, so I think in the end Casey will get exactly what she deserves. I just wonder how many others that really are guilty of 1st degree murder are able to deal it down to something much less by cooperating w/the authorities.

I think this case should be a huge lesson to those that find themselves in a similar situation of how NOT to do things. I think their main error in all of this was Casey, her family, and her defense team trying to get her off scott-free, w/out taking any responsibility at all. It was a HUGE mistake. In the end she will pay very dearly for it, and I think she will spend many years in prison really regretting how her case was handled. Even if Casey is able to get any appeals, I think ultimately her punishment will stand.

Very good post, good points.
I think if she told the truth, she would have still received jail time for abusing her daughter with drugs, but say it was an accident, some other way, with no abuse, then she would have received some jail time, (involuntary manslaughter?) some probation,and some mental help. But her parents are coddling her like they always have. She has always been in control of everyone, spoiled, always getting her way, everyone walking on egg shells around her. So she has never had to take responsibility for her actions. My grandchild would not be hoping from house to house, and I not know where he was. They knew she was partying all the time, who was taking care of Caylee? Who was paying for evening hour day care so she could party? How could you not know that she did not have a job? Did she not pay her own way for anything in that house? What parent tells their own child that "they are in charge"? Nothing has changed. They support her not telling the truth, and they support her not taking responsibility for this.

[Katprint]

(5) Accidental Death Again, Casey may admit that Caylee's death happened while Caylee was under Casey's care, but purely by accident i.e. accidental strangulation on a venetian blind cord, or accidental drowning, or accidental poisoning or some other accident perhaps while Casey was sleeping when she should have been watching Caylee. Then, when Casey discovered Caylee's death, Casey freaked out.

respectfully snipping myself (LOL!)

The recent tragic death of Mike Tyson's 4 year old daughter who somehow wrapped the cord from an exercise machine around her neck and strangled http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/26/arizona.tyson.daughter/index.html is an illustration of the type of accidental strangulation to which I was referring. Sadly, these types of accidents happen all the time.

Given Casey's tendency to take things that happened to other people and insist that they happened to her, I think this recent occurrence increases the likelihood that Casey may claim that a similar thing happened to Caylee. Of course, Tyson's child's mother immediately called 9-1-1 upon discovering her daughter's situation, which was plainly not what Casey did. No doubt Casey would try to explain away her treatment of Caylee's remains as additional "ugly coping" or denial or some other psychobabble.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Mayasmimi]

respectfully snipping myself (LOL!)

The recent tragic death of Mike Tyson's 4 year old daughter who somehow wrapped the cord from an exercise machine around her neck and strangled http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/26/arizona.tyson.daughter/index.html is an illustration of the type of accidental strangulation to which I was referring. Sadly, these types of accidents happen all the time.

Given Casey's tendency to take things that happened to other people and insist that they happened to her, I think this recent occurrence increases the likelihood that Casey may claim that a similar thing happened to Caylee. Of course, Tyson's child's mother immediately called 9-1-1 upon discovering her daughter's situation, which was plainly not what Casey did. No doubt Casey would try to explain away her treatment of Caylee's remains as additional "ugly coping" or denial or some other psychobabble.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


Most likely will be the excuses, but I'm not buying any of it. A jury will decide. Hope the prosecution has their ducks in a row, cause this new criminal defense attorney is very good, from what the talking heads say. MOO.

[akelly1999]

I actually heard on I believe Nancy Grace that Casey got the name "Zanny" from the drug xanax....(she played on words here) but
I cannot understand how the Anthony's still believe Casey's story of the nanny. So ridiculous. JMO

[Katprint]

Most likely will be the excuses, but I'm not buying any of it. A jury will decide. Hope the prosecution has their ducks in a row, cause this new criminal defense attorney is very good, from what the talking heads say. MOO.
"Very good" is relative. I have heard that she gets her clients Life Imprisonment instead of the Death Penalty, which is comparatively "very good" for the clients. I have not heard that her clients are acquitted.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Katprint]

BRAND NEW DEFENSE:

(8) Incurable Prejudice from the jail's improper use of its intercom system to eavesdrop on Casey and Baez' attorney-client meetings requires dismissal of all charges

I read the transcript of the recent deposition of Sgt. Billy Richardson. Apparently, the jail has been putting Casey and Baez in a "classroom", which can be monitored via an intercom system, instead of in the normal attorney meeting rooms. Baez had concerns about this and had also previously complained about hearing intermittent "clicking" noises from the intercom. Richardson testified that the intercom clicks when someone outside the classroom is pressing the button to listen in.

In my opinion, this may be Casey's best defense. The new attorney brought in, Andrea Lyon, is highly skilled in the academia area and I expect she can write a kick-*** motion to dismiss with prejudice due to the incurable prejudice resulting from the jail's illegal violation of Casey's 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination and 6th Amendment right to counsel.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[kanzz]

BRAND NEW DEFENSE:

(8) Incurable Prejudice from the jail's improper use of its intercom system to eavesdrop on Casey and Baez' attorney-client meetings requires dismissal of all charges

I read the transcript of the recent deposition of Sgt. Billy Richardson. Apparently, the jail has been putting Casey and Baez in a "classroom", which can be monitored via an intercom system, instead of in the normal attorney meeting rooms. Baez had concerns about this and had also previously complained about hearing intermittent "clicking" noises from the intercom. Richardson testified that the intercom clicks when someone outside the classroom is pressing the button to listen in.

In my opinion, this may be Casey's best defense. The new attorney brought in, Andrea Lyon, is highly skilled in the academia area and I expect she can write a kick-*** motion to dismiss with prejudice due to the incurable prejudice resulting from the jail's illegal violation of Casey's 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination and 6th Amendment right to counsel.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Katprint - thank you for you great analysis. This is truly frightening. However, I do understand that you're saying she "can write a kick-*** motion to dismiss", not that the case indeed will be dismissed. Please tell me you wouldn't anticipate the judge to rule in her favor, would you?

[Katprint]

Katprint - thank you for you great analysis. This is truly frightening. However, I do understand that you're saying she "can write a kick-*** motion to dismiss", not that the case indeed will be dismissed. Please tell me you wouldn't anticipate the judge to rule in her favor, would you?
If the defense team can PROVE that some jail employee was listening to their attorney-client meetings as they were talking about the facts of the case, their defense strategies etc. and then that employee took the information to law enforcement, then they might really be able to get the case dismissed. I think it would take more than Baez testifying he heard some clicks sometimes. Maybe a disgruntled jail employee might admit having done it; maybe other jail inmates saw the jail employees listening in; maybe there are some written letters/notes/memos somewhere memorializing what was heard.

I am deeply concerned that the police investigators were so easily able to arrange 1) for Casey to be brought to the medical clinic on a pretext so that her reaction could be filmed, 2) for a psychologist who had not been scheduled to work that shift to be brought in as well, 3) for the security video to be preserved instead of taped over like normal, 4) for the police investigators to be allowed to view the security video despite the absence of any security breach, and 5) for the jail employees to give informal statements then formal recorded statements to the investigators. The willingness of the jail management to violate its own standard operating procedures and to violate its inmates' 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination may support a reasonable inference that they might also be willing to violate an inmate's 6th Amendment right to counsel and the resulting attorney-client confidential communication privilege.

Baez will need to search his memory about what topics he and Casey were discussing when he heard the clicking intercom. If he can find those topics in his notes and figure out what dates those incidents happened then he might be able to get records of which jail staff were on duty. Also, there may be some jail records concerning which dates he and Casey were put in the "classroom" with the intercom versus which dates they were put in the attorney meeting room.

Worst case scenario: Kronk's girlfriend worked at the jail or has one or more friends who worked at the jail. Let's call that person/those people "Jailhouse Daisychain." Let's say Daisychain used the intercom to secretly listen in on Jose and Casey's conversations concerning plea negotiation strategies along the lines of not pleading guilty to anything because the vacant lot where Casey dumped Caylee's body is so overgrown and Caylee will never be found and her remains are skeletonized by now anyway and people keep having false sightings of Caylee so there is reasonable doubt and so on. Daisychain wants to help the prosecution so Daisychain tells Kronk where the body is. Kronk calls that in to the police but the darn lazy police officer doesn't want to get his shoes dirty. Later on, Daisychain hears more about the location of the body and nags Kronk to report it again, which he does and the body is finally found in December.

In the meantime, Casey's defense is utterly compromised since she has passed up all opportunities to try to plea bargain to insanity, wrongful disposal of human remains after an accidental death, involuntary manslaughter, voluntary manslaughter, second degree murder, etc. Furthermore, it was the evidence discovered with Caylee's remains - the trash bags, the duct tape, the heart sticker - that formed the primary basis for the prosecution's new decision to charge the death penalty after previously deciding not to. Arguably the death penalty decision could probably be undone by a motion to suppress Caylee's remains and all the evidence discovered along with them, but the interference with the confidential attorney-client relationship, particularly the improper disclosure of strategic discussions, is the kind of permanent unfixable prejudice" that cannot be remedied by merely suppressing the evidence and would probably require dismissal of the charges.

Katprint
Who doesn't know what REALLY happened in there
Always only my own opinions

[kanzz]

[respectfully snipped for space]

Arguably the death penalty decision could probably be undone by a motion to suppress Caylee's remains and all the evidence discovered along with them, but the interference with the confidential attorney-client relationship, particularly the improper disclosure of strategic discussions, is the kind of permanent unfixable prejudice" that cannot be remedied by merely suppressing the evidence and would probably require dismissal of the charges.

Katprint
Who doesn't know what REALLY happened in there
Always only my own opinions

Thanks so much for the clear and thorough explanation. If all that Baez claims turns out to be true and proven, it would be a tragedy compounding a tragedy to see this case blow up and the perp walk. I pray that doesn't happen.

Those in positions of power who abuse their positions by twisting, manipulating, and breaking rules should be held accountable for their actions to the same degree those actions cause a negative outcome. Unfortunately, that degree is rarely matched with disciplinary action &/or prosecution. Cases in point: Nyfong, Laura Gunn, Bonnie Dumanis.

kanzz
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
John Emerich Edward Dalberg-Acton
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[Gaelsong]

Unless there is some unfortunate breach in attorney client privilege, I think her only chance was a plea, way back in the beginning. But she gambled that they would not find the body. The state has no need to play these games, with the forensic evidence they already have, ( to say nothing about the evidence we no nothing about yet), the 31 days, lies, duct tape, partying, evidence found with the body connecting it to her home, location of the body, decomp, car seat & doll in the car . . She's a sociopath, she will not confess.